User talk:Rhschu

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I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~&#126;); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the community portal, or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! Ahasuerus 12:03, 24 Mar 2007 (CDT) I did forget. Thanks for reminding me. Rhschu 15:41, 1 November 2010 (UTC)Rhschu

Entering year/date information
I have approved and amended your submission of the 1971 reprint edition of Ira Levin's The Perfect Day, but please note that we enter the year/date of publication in YYYY-MM-DD format. YYYY-MM will confuse our software, which isn't terribly bright :) Please see the Help pages for submission guidelines. Thanks! Ahasuerus 12:07, 24 Mar 2007 (CDT)


 * I'm doing this now. Sorry. Rhschu 17:58, 26 May 2008 (UTC)Rhschu

Non-ISBNs
Thank you for your submissions. One FYI besides the date format is that if you are entering a catalogue code to preface it with # as in #1234. The reason is that the software tends to interpret anything that does not have a # in front as an ISBN and to use them literally for links to sites like Amazon. 00:21, 28 Mar 2007 (CDT)


 * I'm doing this now. Sorry. Rhschu 17:59, 26 May 2008 (UTC)Rhschu

Revolt in 2100
Thanks for submitting the 11th printing of the NAL/Signet edition of Heinlein's Revolt in 2100! Since we already had an earlier printing of the Signet edition on file, I used the "cloning" option on it instead (see Help:Screen:ClonePub) so that the contents information would be preserved. I then entered the printing-specific data that you submitted (i.e. the price and the catalog ID) and the end result can be found here. Could you please double check that everything looks OK when you have a chance?

Also, as an FYI, as per Help:Screen:EditPub, we enter prices "preceded with a currency symbol" to distinguish US prices from UK/Australian/etc prices, so in this case it would be "$0.95" as opposed to just "0.95". When entering a catalog ID, as per the same Help page, we "prefix it with # as in #UQ1064" to distinguish it from ISBN. Again, thanks for editing! Ahasuerus 23:56, 19 Mar 2008 (CDT)


 * 'Revolt in 2100' looks fine. Sorry about the cloning fuction. I'm using it now. Likewise the $ and the #. Sorry. Rhschu 18:05, 26 May 2008 (UTC)Rhschu

The Warriors of Dawn
Just an FYI that I approved your submission of the third printing of M. A. Foster's The Warriors of Dawn, but then I checked our other records and it turns out that we already had a Publication record for the third printing. I have merged your data with the pre-existing data (see here for the result), but could you please double check that the title is The Warriors of Dawn and not The Warriors of the Dawn as submitted? Thanks! Ahasuerus 15:55, 23 Mar 2008 (CDT)


 * I'm really sorry every one has been telling me to check the talk page. I have never used the talk page. In fact I didn't even know that there was a talk page. I think that I have finally figured out how to use it and will check it in the future. You are quite correct. The word 'the was inserted in error. The title of the book is 'The Warriors of Dawn'Rhschu 16:10, 26 May 2008 (UTC)Rhschu


 * Thanks and good to see that you have found the Wiki! You are not the only editor who has had trouble with this, so perhaps we should make a link to the editor's Talk page displayed in big letters on the database side whenever there are new messages to review... Ahasuerus 19:18, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * That sounds like a really good idea. I suspect that I would have found it sooner. Thanks. Rhschu 20:06, 26 May 2008 (UTC)Rhschu
 * I'ts been requested. See Feature:90094 Talk alert on ISFDB. -DES Talk 22:28, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

The Fox Woman & Other Stories
Thanks for your submission of this publication. When entering a new collection, please enter the stories (and essays) that it contains in the contents section rather than the note (however, it is better to enter them in the notes than not at all. However, in this case, we already had an entry for 37398 on file, with the contents already listed. In this case it is much easier to create the new listing by cloning the old publication, which i have done. The result is . Please check to be sure that this is correct. If you have an actual copy, please enter the page numbers for the contents.

Can you tell whether "The Drone" is the same story as "The Drone Man" listed in the earlier publication of this collection?

Also, you submitted two versions of this collection, one with the date 1977-08-00 and one, otherwise identical, with the date 1977-00-00. Did you have information about two different printings?

I am rejecting your submissions since I entered the data via the clone method, but their info has been used. -DES Talk 17:05, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * No there is not two different versions. Only one. I think that I lost track of the fact that I had submited the first version. I do have a copy of everything that I have submitted. Everything that I submit is in my collection. I will go back and enter the page numbers of the contents. Thanks for your patience. Rhschu 17:01, 26 May 2008 (UTC)Rhschu
 * Thanks for all your contributions. -DES Talk 17:06, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

The Eternal Champion
Please enter prices with a currency symbol, as for example "$0.60" instead of "0.60"

Please enter catalog numbers that are not ISBNs with a leading # sign, as for example "#2383" instead of "2383". This helps the software to know which numbers are to be treated as ISBNs and checked for validity.

"440-02383-060" looks like one of those transitional forms used when the ISBN was first coming into use -- it is not a VALID ISBN, and the last three digits seem to be the price.

If you are not uploading a cover image, the artist can be left blank instead of listing "Uncredited", as this avoids creating a cover art record that contains very little useful information.

I have approved this submission, and corrected these minor points. Please check and see if the result is correct.

Thank you for your contributions. -DES Talk 17:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm really sorry. It must be frustrating to keep expecting a response and not receive it. I had never used the reject page and didn't know anything about a talk page or how to use it. I have now picked up on the $ sign, the # sign and will, in the future, not use uncredited.  The "Eternal Champion" entry is correct.  Concerning my contributions, I'm happy to help.  I discovered the ISFDB in the process of cataloging my SF collection which I am probably going to have to get rid of as I don't have room for it any more. It became obvious that I have things which can add to your database so I decided to do both at once. Again I'm sorry for any problems I have caused. They were through ignorance.  Rhschu 16:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)Rhschu
 * I understand about ignorance, and neither I nor anyone else thought that you were doing anything but trying your best to work with a complex application that is perhaps not as well explained as it should be. I am sorry to hear that you are having space problems -- I know the feeling all too well.
 * There are cases where "uncredited"is a good idea -- If there is an item such as an introduction or afterword that ought to be entered, but it is not clear who wrote it (ofte a problem, in anthologies with multiple editors), or if you are linking to cover art and want to make it clear that ther was no credit findable for that art.
 * We are very glad to have you contributing, doubly so now that you have found your talk page. -DES Talk 16:59, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Reach for Tomorrow
You attempted to change an entry for the 4th printing of 30253 into an entry for the 6th printing. But that would remove the existing information for the 4th printing. Instead you should use the "add new publication" or perhaps bettter the "Clone this publication" tools to create a new entry for the 6th printing, based on the existing entry for the 4th. -DES Talk 20:50, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Conan of Aquilonia
Again, please put a dollar sign ($) or other currency symbol before all prices.

As it sounds as if you have possesion of a copy, can you enter the page numbers of the content?

Does "Boris" appear to be ? -DES Talk 21:18, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes I do have a copy and will enter the page numbers. While Boris Vallejo is not credited the style appears to be his and the signature is the same as that on the cover of 'My Lord Barbarian' by Andrew J. Offutt of which I also have a copy.  Rhschu 17:14, 26 May 2008 (UTC)Rhschu
 * In my view that is enough to give him the cover credit, with a comment in the notes about how the credit was assigned (syle plus signature). -DES Talk 22:29, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

The King of the Swords by Moorcock
I have approved and corrected the submission for. This is the 2nd time today that an ISBN you entered has contained an invalid digit. I have corrected both. Please re-check, are these typos of yours, or did the printed book actually include an incorret ISBN in both cases?

I have also put a currrency symbol before the price. -DES Talk 03:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure about the invalid digit because the ISBN in the book and in my database are the same as the current ISFDB entry. It may have been a typo. What was the other book? Rhschu 17:33, 26 May 2008 (UTC)Rhschu
 * As long as your book matches the current listing, all is fine. I'm sorry, I apprently failed to note which the other book was. -DES Talk 22:31, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Legends from the End of Time submission
This printing appears to be in the database already. It has the same isbn as this entry, the primary difference being that there is a cover artist. It might be more appropriate to add the additional data to the existing publication. You can leave any replies on this page. Is the cover artist credited on the book?--swfritter 04:18, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Piers Anthony's Orn
You submitted an edit to create a record for the third printing. Unfortunately, that edit would have wiped out the record for the fourth printing. You need to use the "clone this publication" tool in this kind of situation. I have rejected your edit, and used your info to do a clone. -DES Talk 21:36, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I have started to use the cloning function now. Sorry. When is the edit function appropriate? Rhschu 17:36, 26 May 2008 (UTC)Rhschu

Foundation and Empire 20th printing
You submitted an edit to record the 20th printing of the Avon edition of Foundation and Empire. Unfortunately, you did this by changing the details of the record for the 19th printing, which would have wiped out the information we have on that printing. Instead, you must use the "Close this publication" tool when you want to enter a printing or edition that is similar to, but different than, an existing record. Use "Edit this publication" only when you want to add to or change the information already recorded about the edition/printing that we have on file (for example to record an artist or add page numbers to a collection). -DES Talk 15:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Verification
It would be helpful, when you have multiple edits to make on a publication, not to mark it verified until the last edit has been approved. Otherwise the moderator gets a warning flag and must check whether the editor submitting is the one who has verified. And in any case you should not mark a book as verified before the page count has been entered. -DES Talk 17:35, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

The Dark Design
Your submission of this pub seems to already be in the system although the existing title has an artist and states that there is printing information.--swfritter 21:56, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I seem to have done this several times. I think that the problem is that sometimes I do a search on the title and the system comes back and tells me that there is no such document. I then go to the author to see if I can find it that way. If I can't find anything I enter it as new. Is there something that I am doing wrong? Rhschu 17:46, 26 May 2008 (UTC)Rhschu
 * The title match is an exact substring match -- the title on file must contain exactly the string you enter. One problem I often have is that if I copy in a title it often comes with a trailing space, and if this is at the end of the title it will cause a non-match. So will any typo in the title itself. Often a search for the author works better for me. But if ypu honestly can't find anything, enter as new, if there is a match the moderator should catch it, that is what we are here for (in part). -DES Talk 22:35, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Fire Get
I think this one is already in the system too.--swfritter 22:00, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Harpist in the Wind
I addded a currency symbol to the price, and moved the frontispiece by Sweet and the map by McKillip to separate interiorart entries. -DES Talk 19:07, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Starseed
You wanted to add a note to the 1992-09-00 version that it was the first printing by number line. But that version is already verified by another editor. Note that in any case there is an earlier hc version, so this could at best be the first pb printing. I am putting this on hold while the other editor is consulted. -DES Talk 16:53, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Hart's Hope
Much the same situation as with Starseed. You submitted an edit marking this as a first printing, but did not consult the editor who had already verifed this publication. -DES Talk 22:32, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

C.A.D.S. # 3: Tech Commando
This seems to be the same as this.--swfritter 22:44, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * See comments on "The Dark Design' above. Rhschu 17:49, 26 May 2008 (UTC)Rhschu


 * I have rejected the submission but added the additional data (month, first printing) to the existing pub.--swfritter 23:39, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Promised Land
Submission seems to already by in the system.--swfritter 22:50, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * See comments on 'The Dark Design' above. Rhschu 17:50, 26 May 2008 (UTC)Rhschu


 * Great to have a new editor with lots of valuable data. I generally work more on magazines where these issues rarely come up so I will allow others with more expertise to discuss this issue. Welcome aboard.--swfritter 19:38, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * This is an existing pub with no new information so I have rejected.--swfritter 23:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

The Island of the Mighty
I approved your submission of The Island of the Mighty but updated the ISBN and comment. The "ISBN" on that publication is actually an SBN (Standard Book Number) which was a format used from the mid 1960s to early 1970s. An SBN such as 375-01959-095 can be converted into an ISBN by adding a leading zero and replacing the trailing price (-095) with the ISBN checksum. I have an ISBN checksum generator at http://marc.kupper.googlepages.com/isbn and so entered 0-375-01959-? there which told me the checksum is 6. However, the ISBN 0375019596 is not used by Amazon and so for this publication I
 * Entered the ISBN / Catalog #: as #375-01959-095 (with the leading # so the system knows it's not an ISBN.
 * Updated the note

One question - You had entered the ISBN as "375-01959-8-095" and your note said "The ISBN shown is a bit odd but is as stated on the copyright page. I suspect that the ISBN 10 should be 0-345-01959-8." Does the publication state "375-01959-8-095" or "375-01959-095"? Marc Kupper (talk) 03:17, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Amazon US does show an entry for 0345019598 which appears to be this book. BLongley 11:54, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * My database does search Amazon US so it is entirely possible that this ISBN did come from there.

Wiki tips
When responding to a msg on the wiki, you can start paragrphs with a colon. This will cause them to be indented, which is often used to show levels of reply. Multiple colons lead to larger indents. See this page for more information of editing the wiki, if you want. Most of it is not needed for simple msg and response, however. -DES Talk 17:02, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Here is an exmaple of an indented response. -DES Talk 17:03, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Submissions
I've approved all the submission not on hold and have made a few minor changes, I have also deleted the duplicate titles that you made the clones from for the updates. For general updates to a publication that is missing data you can use the "edit this pub" just don't make any changes to the section below the line that is titled "Content". This section refers to the over all title. The cover artist is for cover artist only, for maps or essays or other content in the book go to the Content section and click on "Add title". Add the page #, author, title and change the shortfiction default to the appropriate type(Essay, interioart etc.) unless it is shortfiction. For new editions just clone an existing pub.(or use "add new publication..") and change the date, price, cat# etc., this is the best way to also add collections if an existing pub. lists all the contents. If you have any questions just leave them on the "Help Page" and someone will answer them. Thanks for editing.Kraang 03:01, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Legends from the End of Time
When entering a collection such as, please enter the contents in the contents section, rather than in the notes, if possible. With a collectiuon, this should be doable when the publication is first entered. (When a novel has additional contents, such as an intoduction, or a "bonus story" bound in with the novel, it takes a two-step process.) I have moved the items from the notes to the contents in thsi case, please check the link above to see that what I did matshes your copy. Help:Screen:EditPub explains this is more detail. Thank you for your contributions. -DES Talk 14:05, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * As I remember, the reason that I entered the content as a note and not in the contents section, was because there was no content section. Yes it does match my copy. Thank you. Rhschu 20:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)Rhschu
 * You may need to scroll down to see it, or maybe something odd happened. Normally a new collection has an empty contents section with nine slots, although more can be added by clicking the "add title" button. Normally a new novel does not have a contents section, because most novels don't have any separate contents to record. When one does, and editor has to wait until the inital edit has been approved. Then on editing the publication record, the add title button can be used to add contents entries.
 * If you create a new collection or anthology in future, and there is no contents section visible even if you scroll all the way down, that is a bug, anc can be reported on User talk:Alvonruff. Thanks again. -DES Talk 20:28, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

The Sioux Spaceman and queries
When you want to question the source or accuracy of a listing, you can use the page ISFDB:Verification requests. If a work has been verified, you can ask the verifier directly on his or her talk page (the verifier's name will link to his or her user page, from which you can get to the talk page via the tabs at the top). If the work is not verified, and you have a copy which is significantly different (remember that ISBNs are often used for multiple different printings of the same title by the same publisher) you can create a clone with the differing information from your copy (in this case, i suppose with data unknown -- 0000-00-00). I have made an entry for this query on that page. I have put the submission on hold. I am inclined to reject it, but will consult the other moderators first. -DES Talk 16:02, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It appears that there is a source for the date info. I am going to reject the edit and enter the source information. Another moderator has suggestd that queries such as this would be best brought to the Help desk. But in either case, asking on the wiki in cases like this will be better than leaving a note in a pub like this.
 * When you are engaged in an adit that requires multiple steps, leaving a temporary note to the mod concering the overall intent as part of the edit may be helpful. Also, when leaving a "personal" note ina a pub (such as "I think the signature here is that of John Smith") it is a good idea to sign it woith your ISFDB user name so that anyone who has questiosn later will know who to ask. Thanks again for your contributions. -DES Talk 20:14, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok. Thank you.Rhschu 20:21, 27 May 2008 (UTC)Rhschu
 * You are welcome. For information on OCLC and how to access it, see Sources of Bibliographic Information. -DES Talk 20:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Sword of Chaos and Other Stories
I have approved, and then used your note to create a contents section. Please double-check if I have this correctly. Particularly check if I have the distinction between stories and essays correct, please. -DES Talk 21:11, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Everything is there and in the correct order. The only thing that I had trouble deciding when I input it was what to call the editorial comments between stories by Marion Zimmer Bradley. They divided the stories almost like chapters.  I don't know that I would call them essays but I guess that's as good as any of the other alternatives given. Rhschu 04:22, 28 May 2008 (UTC)Rshchu
 * If they are fictional, they can be stories. If they describe the fictional universe, they are probably essays. We don't have a good category for what has been called the "fictional essay" or "in-universe essay", a piece of what would be non-fiction within the fictional setting, but is not truly non-fiction in the real world. An entire article from the "Encyclopedia Galactica" is the sort of thing i mean -- some authors do a good deal of this -- the "interludes" in the original Hammer's Slammers come to mind. Calling these essays or short stories is a judgment call, there is no hard and fast rule. if on looking at the actual book you want to change these to stories, feel free. But in general we don't attribute things to "Editor" if we know who the editor is/was. (and if we don't, it's our old friend "uncredited" unless they are actually signed "Editor" or something of the sort).
 * You are doing nicely, glad to interact with you. In future please try to enter the contents directly. If you are having problems doing so, please post on the Help desk. Thanks. -DES Talk 14:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

The Earth Book of Stormgate and clone vs edit
Your submitted edit to The Earth Book of Stormgate was apparently to add the artist's name, the roman numbered pages, and the Sandra Miesel chart to the existing 1983 Berkley publication. You apparently did this by cloning the existing pub Instead, I edited the existing pub and added this info to it directly. The result is. Please double check it.

Cloning creates a new publication, which starts as an exact copy of an existing pub, but can then be altered. "Add a publication" also creates a new pub, but with only the author and title pre-set, and a link to the existing title pre-made. "New Novel", "New Collection", and "New Anthology" create new pubs, with nothing pre-filled in, and no pre-made link. "Edit this pub" on the other hand, changes the contents of an existing publication record, but does not create a new pub. When you have a book that is clearly different from any pub we have on file -- different date, different publisher, different price, different printing number, different cover art or artist, different page count, or the like -- you should use clone or one of the other methods that create a new pub. However, when you have a book that matches a record on file, but the record on file is incomplete -- some info has not been filled in -- you should edit the existing pub and add the missing info, rather than create a new, near-duplicate pub. It is a tricky distinction, and you will get used to it in time.

If you have a pub where most of the info matches, but some does not match, and you think that the record on file is wrong (and this does happen, particularly for older records or ones based on amazon or publisher data), you can change the wrong data to match what you have. However, in such a case, you should probably ask on the wiki first, unless you are very sure that there could not possibly have been a different version for which the record is correct. (Some errors are absurd and clearly wrong, but it is amazing how many minor variations may actually exist.)

Also, when making a major change to a verified pup, please ask the verifier first. If you add minor info to a verified pub, you should normally at least notify the verifier afterward.

I am rejecting your edit to avoid creating a duplicate pub, but your info has been used, see the link above. Thanks again for your contributions. -DES Talk 21:45, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * It looks fine except I apparently left a couple of things out. I meant to change the date to May of 1983 and note that it is the fifth printing. Sorry about the cloning but I have been very confused about when to use edit and when to clone. It seems like I do one and I should have done the other. I will try to get it right next time. Rhschu 04:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)Rhschu


 * As I said, it takes some practice to learn when to clone and when not to, you are doing fine. The key question is "Do I want to change the publication i see, or create a different but similar one?" and related to this "Am I sure that the book i have is the same one (same edition/printing) that the person who created the record I see had?" When the answer is yes, you should edit, not clone. -DES Talk 14:31, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Cover art
As to cover art, we are in a transition about that. Currently all our cover art is hosted at other sites. If you have a web site of your own, you can post images there and link to them, provided you are pretty sure that the site is going to be stable for several years at least. Amazon.com allows you to upload "customer images" to the page about the work in question. You can upload to amazon and then use the Amazon URL in an ISFDB record. The ISFDB Wiki now allows uploading files (images). There has been much discussion and some experimentation about this. See ISFDB:Community Portal for a long discussion of this. Feel free to put your views in. I think and hope that we are going to have a way to upload cover scans to the ISFDB itself and use them soon, but for now this is still in a "trial" phase. -DES Talk 14:28, 28 May 2008 (UTC) For our current practice, which is likely to change soon, see the "Image URL" section of Help:Screen:NewPub. -DES Talk 14:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Serpent's Reach
Your submission appears to duplicate. I have it on hold. Is thre any reaon to think that your pub is actually a different book from the pub linked above? If not, please just edit the existing pub. -DES Talk 05:03, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * That's really strange. I would swear that there was no entry for this printing but obviously I missed it. There's nothing to edit. This is clearly the same book. Sorry. Rhschu 21:11, 30 May 2008 (UTC)Rhschu
 * No problem, no harm done. Feel free to verify the existing pub if it is all correct and compelete. -DES Talk 22:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * This probably isn't what's involved, but I thought I'd mention it: I believe that I've had searches fail because the title in the database had a different apostrophe than the one generated by my keyboard. Seeing the apostrophe in the title makes me wonder. -- Dave (davecat) 23:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * It's quite possible: I've learned to search without apostrophes as they are fundamentally broken here still, to the extent that I'd do an advanced search for "Serpent" as one title field and "Reach" as another. We've talked around various issues of apostrophe versus left quote and right quote and HTML escape characters, and almost everyone has had some sort of problem. The ISFDB interface hides some, but not all of the problems, so we can't even correct some of them as the correction gets changed to a non-change before submission! I believe the usual result is to say "Bloody Unicode!" and go bug Al a bit more, although as the Wiki regularizes some of them too it's hard to explain what differences we're seeing! (Wanders off mumbling about how it was so much better when we only had ASCII and ANSI differences... 127 characters to agree on, and only about 40 different variations of each...) BLongley 23:31, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I have to wonder if something is not amiss. I have been called lately on 2 or 3 duplicate pubs and I check them religiously.  I know that quite often I do a title search on one of my books and it comes back 0 entries.  I then do a search on the author and look through all of his/her books to find what I'm looking for. I'm getting so sensitive about duplicates that I look at every listed under a title, whether it's the same ISBN or not. Rhschu 04:43, 1 June 2008 (UTC)Rhschu

A. E. Van Vogt's Masters of Time
Welcome to the wonderful world of fix-up novels - Van Vogt being the number one perpetrator. This seems to be another edition of this book. If that seems to be the case we may want to clone the existing collection. Defining a fix-up novel as a collection or novel depends a great deal on whether the stories have been substantially modified or there is a great deal of additional material.--swfritter 23:59, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I also might note that the number in the notes is an early version of isbn numbers. From Help - "You may also see an ISBN of the form "0-586-06604-7-275"; the last three digits after the last hyphen indicate a price, and are not part of the ISBN; they should not be entered.". I have never had much luck with auto-formatting for these early ISBN's so have been entering them with hyphens.--swfritter 00:04, 31 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I saw that limited edition but my copy is a pb not a hc, it is a 3rd printing and it is dated in 1974. I thought that it was sufficiently different to be a new publication. Rhschu 04:37, 1 June 2008 (UTC)Rhschu


 * It's certainly worth a new publication. I take it yours looks like this? I think the question is why you're entering a Novel and the existing book is a Collection. Are there two separate Novellas in your book? BLongley 09:40, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * That is the cover design. My copy has a small yellow, oval box that states "Manor Books. Seal of Guaranteed READER Satisfaction (See back cover for details)." The back cover has another box with the guarantee that if you are disappointed in any way, they will send you another book in exchange. As for the difference in classification, I couldn't figure out why the ISFDB copy was classified as a collection. My copy is a novel with 13 chapters. Weird huh? Rhschu 11:38, 1 June 2008 (UTC)Rhschu


 * I checked with Icshi, one of the best A. E. Van Vogt sites on the net, and you've got a different book. The 1950 book is an omnibus: it's been entered as a collection here though, presumably because neither of its component stories are Novel-Length. Your "Novel" (without "The Changeling") has been published separately at least four times: but again, because it's not actually Novel-length, it's been entered here as a Chapterbook, e.g. here's the first of them. This is why it was so hard to find the right title, Chapterbooks don't appear in the long fiction section of the author page. (Unfortunately, you can't think of the Author page as "Books and magazines at the top, book and magazine contents at the bottom" because of this. I don't like this arrangement myself and would rather have it as a Novel even if it only contains a Novella, just so that they do separate that way.) Anyway, we don't have your exact book so we definitely want it. The only thing that confuses me still is that there are supposedly these editions:

1 — Macfadden 1967 February $0.50 50-334 128 pages 2 — Macfadden 1969 June $0.60 60-406 128 pages Cover: Jack Faragasso 3 — Manor 1974 February $0.75 532-75520 128 pages Lime green cover 4 — Manor 1975 ? $0.95 532-95417 128 pages Cover: Bruce Pennington


 * Did Manor carry on printing numbers from Macfadden publications? BLongley 13:45, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I have approved the submission and concur from viewing the van Vogt website that is should be merged with the novella (17,500-40,000 words) version after first changing the publication type of the book to chapterbook. If you agree you can either make the changes yourself or let me know - I will make the changes and let you know the steps I went through.--swfritter 19:38, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * As I have never done this before I would appreciate the latter option. Thank you. Rhschu 21:45, 1 June 2008 (UTC)Rhschu


 * All fixed up. This is the result. The first part was easy - I went to the publication record, not the title record, of your entry and changed the type to chapterbook. The publication records for each appearance are grouped together under the title record. The second part was a little more difficult. It involved a manual merge which in this case is a little trickier than most. You will get used to merges eventually; most are fairly simple but sometimes there can be unpleasant results.--swfritter 22:58, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you. So I will have a better idea if this comes up again, exactly what is the definition of Chapterbook? I have looked in the Glossary and it isn't listed. Rhschu 13:19, 3 June 2008 (UTC)Rhschu


 * Well, here's what Help:Screen:EditPub says:
 * CHAPTERBOOK. This is used for anything smaller or flimsier than a standard paperback. These are often, but not always, saddle-stapled; publications from conventions are frequently in this format.
 * In practice, for fiction, it's basically something shorter than novel length published as a book by itself. (That leaves aside an issue: a lot of earlier (40s/50s/early 60s) SF novels, published as such, might wind up as novellas or even novelettes by today's standards.  (I think there's been a bit of discussion of this, but don't recall where.)  But I've got a lot of pb SF novels that are smaller (& maybe flimsier) than a standard paperback today.) -- Dave (davecat) 15:11, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I have edited the help page to make our usage clearer. By the way, it is technically a misnomer, what we are calling a "CHAPTERBOOK" publishing in general calls a "Chapbook", while a "Chapter-book" is a particular sort of short and simple children's book, such as "The Cat in the Hat". But the term is embedded in the ISFDB code, and changing it is not a high priority for the coders. -DES Talk 16:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

The Suns of Scorpio
I accepted your submission but it seems to be the same as this edition of Suns of Scorpio. The title used should be the same as is on the inside title page - not the cover. Could you check this? In any case I think we can delete the pre-existing 3rd printing record once we are sure we have the right title on your submission.--swfritter 00:27, 31 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I know that it sounds paranoid but when I submitted my entry that pub wasn't listed. I saw the 5th printing but no 3rd printing that's why I entered mine. If I had seen that one I would have edited it.Rhschu 04:56, 1 June 2008 (UTC)Rhschu


 * I would guess you were looking for "The Suns of Scorpio", rather than just "Suns of Scorpio"? BLongley 09:48, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Indeed I was, because that is the title of my copy as stated on the Title Page. Rhschu 11:47, 1 June 2008 (UTC)Rhschu
 * It is often a good idea to search on a sub-phrase of the title, in case there are variants. -DES Talk 15:39, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I have gone ahead and deleted the pre-existing pub because your entry is based upon an actual book in your hands and is more informative. Nice to get the right data into the system.--swfritter 18:48, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Cobras Two by Zahn
You submitted this as a novel, although your note indicated that "Copyright page states A Baen Book Original. First printing, April 1992. Formerly published in parts as Cobra (copyright 1985) and Cobra Strike (copyright 1988)." (By the way, i own copies of the original separate pb editions of these two works.) This sounds to me like an omnibus. Baen publishes a good many omnibuses, often with a copyright statemetn like the above. Were the two original books kept separate in this publications? did they have separate title sections? Did the separate stories in Cobra retain their separate titles? If so, i think this is an omnibus. If the parts were merged with no indication of their original separate status beyond that note on the copyright page, then we would probably call it a novel. I have the submission on hold, pending your response. -DES Talk 17:43, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * In fact we have 27809 on file as an omnibus. Your entry should go under this title, which is incomplete -- the only publication does not specify the contents properly. -DES Talk 19:58, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I guess I have trouble seeing this publication as an Omnibus. There are two parts to the book, Part One and Part Two. There are what appear to be titled sections in Part One and Chapters in Part Two. However, they are not credited and do not appear to be separate works as the characters follow throughout the book. Maybe I don't understand the term Omnibus but it appears to be a novel with a little different format to me. Rhschu 22:02, 1 June 2008 (UTC)Rhschu
 * I think you will find that part one is eaxctly the same as the originally separately published Cobra (which consists of the stories "Trainee", "Warrior", "Veteran", "Loyalist", "Politician", and "Statesman". At least two of these were separately publishefd in Analog, accoding to a note on the copyright page of Cobra which makes it fall in that grey zone between novel and collection called "Fixup") and Cobra Strike. Baen later published an omnibus 152831 which contains those two works, plus Cobra Bargain. Containing two or more novels is what makes it an omnibus. if the separate titles were not retained -- were they? -- that makes it more of a grey area, but if little or no text was change in the process of combining them, calling it an omnibus alerts people who have the original separate books that this is not a new and different work. (Not that many authors write series in which character continue throughout multiple separate works. For an exterme case, look at Lois Bujold's Vorkosigan series, whre her same characrers continue thogh quite a few novels. For a case clsoer to this one, look at the 'Venus Equilateral" stories by george O. Smith -- same set of characters though 15 or so stories published over 20 years or more, often now published in a single volume. (see the series listing) -DES Talk 22:18, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

You are absolutely right about the names except they didn't seem to be done as separate stories. There were not separate titles. They were done as follows: Part One, "Trainee: 2403, "Interlude", "Warrior:2406", "Interlude", "Verean:2407", "Interlude", "Loyalist:2419", "Interlude", "Politician:2421", "Interlude", "Statesman:2432", Part Two, "Chapter 1 - Chapter 32". There are no separate titles other than Part One and Part Two. As I said if you didn't know about the two separate works, there is nothing to indicate that there was any intent other than a novel with two parts and a somewhat strange layout. On the back cover there is box that states "Publisher's Note: This volume has been published in parts as 'Cobra' and 'Cobra Strike'. Not one word has been added or omitted." So you tell me what is it? I have trouble seeing it as anything other than one work. Rhschu 03:28, 2 June 2008 (UTC)Rhschu
 * i have asked others to give their views, see ISFDB:Help desk. -DES Talk 23:50, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Stormwarden
I'm holding your edit on this as I suspect you might have intended a clone instead: the submission wants to change Year from 	1995-00-00 to 0000-00-00, Artist to Janny Wurts, and Note to "Date of printing not stated. Second printing (per number line) of the February 1995 Harper Prism edition. Frontispiece and map by Janny Wurts." - all this looks good for creating a second printing, but not so good if it destroys the first. Did I guess right? BLongley 22:19, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You are right. I guess the problem is my assumption that because it was 1995, it was the same book. It might not be. It could be a later Harper Prism printing, therefore, it should have been cloned. I guess part of my problem is that I really don't understand the Wiki very well. I'm used to dealing with PCs where you can change things without destroying anything. Sorry. Rhschu 04:33, 2 June 2008 (UTC)Rhschu


 * Well, your book not only confirms the second printing, but confirms the date of the first as well - extra data for free! I've made the clone for you here and left the original alone for now. BLongley 18:08, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!
Just thought I'd repeat that as we really ARE grateful for your edits, and yet you seem to have had a swarm of Moderators asking you all sorts of questions recently. Please DON'T let us put you off editing - we're trying to help you, as we know you're trying to help US - sometimes it comes across as a lot of pressure though, and that's really not the intention. BLongley 23:21, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I fully agree. Nothing in my comments has been intended to be other than helpful, and to get the information needed to put things in the correct slots. Without your contributions, we wouldn't have any way to get some of this info. -DES Talk 00:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You are right. It does sometimes seem like a bit of pressure.  I do understand, however, that it is not ill intended.  A lot of the pressure comes from the fact that I am trying to give you information, learn and navigate a system that I don’t understand very well, respond to all of the mistakes that I make and at the same time accomplish my original goal of cataloging my own SF book collection so that I can sell it or donate it or whatever because I don’t have room for it anymore.  I’ve completed only about 4 ½ boxes out of a total of 15 (probably about 1500 or 1600 books).  I think that there is likely a fair piece of information in there that you can use and I’m more than happy to share it with you.  I think that the ISFDB project is really worth while.  I know that I must seem like a klutz sometimes but I’m trying to learn and you have to admit that your system is maybe not the easiest in the world.  Anyway thanks for trying to make me feel better.  I appreciate it. Rhschu 04:19, 2 June 2008 (UTC)Rhschu


 * For some real entertainment look at the first few entries in our talk pages as we were going through the same process.--swfritter 19:34, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Especially mine, especially the section where (I guess due to sequences of submissions & approvals) I was firmly convinced that variants worked in some bizarre & very obscure way. (Entertaining for you, humiliating for me.) There's a lot to learn, but you'll learn from your mistakes.  Really.  And in the mean time, your work is much appreciated.  Even though I'm now a moderator, I rarely approve book submissions, as I've dealt mostly with magazines (& a limited subset at that, though within Astounding/Analog I think I've seen most everything there is to see).  On books I know there are minefields all over, & I haven't learned my way through them; I expect to, eventually, when I get around to entering some things. -- Dave (davecat) 14:48, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Stronghold
I have approved this, but corrected "May" to "Map", and added the map as an interiorart entry. Please check to make sure that all details are correct. Thank you. -DES Talk 17:23, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It looks good. Thank you. Sorry about the y. It was a typo. Rhschu 18:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)Rhschu


 * These things happen. As you will already know from my wiki posts, i make more typos than some do. -DES Talk 22:23, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Cyrion
I can see what you were trying to do with your edits to Cyrion , but there is a problem with them, or rather several problems.


 * 1) You changed several of the existing content entries. For example you changed "A Hero at the Gates" to "Prologue: The Honey Garden", Probably because it was the first item in the contents list when that list was displayed for editing. Then you later added "Hero" back in. You similarly changed "A Lynx With Lions" to "1st Story: Cyrion in Wax", "Cyrion in Stone" to  "2nd Story: A Hero at the Gates", "Cyrion in Wax" to  "2nd Interlogue", "Epilogue (Cyrion)" to "3rd Story: One Night of the Year" and so on.
 * The problem with this is that such a change to a content entry is also a change to the associated title record, and will therefore make the same change everywhere that that title appears. This can be useful when a title has been misspelled, or the title type or length is incorrect -- provided you are quite sure that it is wrong everywhere that it appears. But in this case "A Hero at the Gates" appears in Shayol #3, Summer 1979, and The Mammoth Book of Fantasy; while "A Lynx With Lions" also appears in Dreams of Dark and Light. Your changes would also change the stories in these publications. That is why Help:Screen:EditPub says "ISFDB has one big "gotcha" in that if you make changes to the anything in the Contents section other than the page numbers that you will be updating the original title record which can be referenced from multiple publications. ... A general rule of thumb is if you need to make a change a title or author name, no matter how minor, then use the [Add Title] button and to set up the new title record that matches your publication and you remove the old/incorrect title record using the “Remove Titles From This Pub” option that’s available from the publication display."
 * Also, what may not be clear is that on the editing screen, the contents entries are not displayed in page number order, but rather sorted by their titles. (I think this is an area where the application could be improved, but that is another discussion). Therefore, If "A Hero at the Gates" appears first, you don't need to move it: simply adding the proper page number will put it into the correct order when the publication is displayed in a non-editing manner. Trying to re-order the content entries into page number order can cause major problems, as in this case.
 * 1) You added prefixes or suffixes to several of the story names, such as "1st Story: Cyrion in Wax", "2nd Story: A Hero at the Gates", and "Novella: Cyrion in Stone". I presume these were present in the book itself, but there is still a problem because other publications of these stories (in other collections and anthologies) do not use these forms. Do these phrases ("1st Story" and the like) seem to form part of the actual story titles? Do they appear at the start of each short work, or only in the table of contents? If they seem to be part of the story title here, then they will have to be entered, and variant title relationships set up. But if they look like mere labels, them they should be left out. (For example, a section may be marked "Chapter III: At the Sign of the Prancing Pony". Here "At the Sign of the Prancing Pony" is the title, and "Chapter III" is a mere label.)
 * 2) You marked the dates of the Interlogues as 0000-00-00, which means "unknown". This is not always a mistake, but if there is not a particular reason to believe that they appeared elsewhere, they can be assumed to have the same date as the publication, that is 1982-09-00. If the date on a contents item being added is left blank, it will default to the date of the publication.

I am going to have to reject this submission, because of the 1st point above. But I will use what you entered to do an edit, to preserve as much of your work as I can. -DES Talk 23:29, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

The result of my edit is. Please check it when you ahve a chance, and either correct or discuss any problems that still remain. If you think we need to create varients fo the story titles, you can try that yourself, or ask for direction or assistance. -DES Talk 23:52, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm back and after looking at the results of "Cyrion" I'm not sure that's such a good thing. I have looked at your edit and, with one question, it looks fine.  The Story 1,2,3 etc. thing could be interpreted either way, I guess. I don't have a problem with the way you did it. The only question I have is, if you going to omit Second Prologue as a part the title of "The Olive Tree", why should First Prologue be included as a part of "The Honey Garden"? In the Contents of the book that I have they are done in exactly the same manner: "First Prologue: The Honey Garden" and "Second Prologue: The Olive Tree". This is the reason that I did it the way I did it. It seemed like the Interlogues needed to be included because they are really a part of the story line and if they are going to be included as titles then it seemed to me that both the Prologues and the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. Stories should also be included. However, I certainly don't want to mess up the system and you guys certainly know the system a whole lot better than I do or it appears ever will.Rhschu 18:36, 10 June 2008 (UTC)Rshchu
 * Sorry, i seem to have missed the above note by you for a week. I have changed "The Olive Tree" to "Second Prologue: The Olive Tree". as you suggest above. I asked in my earlier note, and i now ask again, do the phrases "1st Story:", "Novella:" and so on seem to form part of the actual story titles? Do they appear at the start of each short work, or only in the table of contents? If they really seem to be part of the titles of the short works as printed here, that can be dealt with, and I will do it or show you how. The current state of the publication is.


 * I checked the current state of the publication and that is exactly how it reads in the book except for the (Cyrion) after Epilogue. The 1st, 2nd, 3rd ... 7th Story appears only in the Contents. Rhschu 22:20, 17 June 2008 (UTC)Rhschu
 * Thanks. We typically add the name of the work in parens to common titles such as "Introduction" and "Epilogue" otherwise searches would be of little use for these titles. Thank you for working with me on a tricky pub.
 * By the way, do you think that 836650 may have originally been intended for this book, alhtough later used elsewhere? -DES Talk 23:22, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem. Happy to help. I looked at the cover art and have never seen it before. The cover art on my book depicts a blond, young man in a brown robe like garment, holding a sword, all against a brownish backgroud. Rhschu 16:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Rhschu

The California Voodoo Game
I accepted your entry, but the image doesn't work. Can you please double check the URL? BLongley 18:52, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I didn't put an image in there. I don't even know how. It must have already been there. Rhschu 22:23, 17 June 2008 (UTC)Rhschu


 * You probably cloned my copy. I just noticed my cover-art was broken too :-/ Still, fixed now. If it looks like yours, then right-click on the cover-art, "Copy Image Location" and paste into the "Image URL:" section when you edit a pub works well. Adjust instructions according to your browser, I've been using Firefox long enough to forget what the other equivalents are. BLongley 22:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * For IE right-click "properties" and then copy the section labeled "Address (URL)". -DES Talk 00:31, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

The Shadow Rising
I have approved your submission of a 3rd printing of The Shadow Rising, here is. Please edit the pub and create actual contents entries for the maps (as interiorart) and the other interiorart. Have a look at if you want an example. Thanks again for your various contributions. -DES Talk 13:48, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Second Stage Lensman
I've held your submission for the moment as you say it looks like the 1965 Pyramid edition. That was actually a Second Stage Lensmen (plural) edition, is yours definitely Lensman? There may be differences between spine, cover, copyright and title page, and maybe other places too! Sorry if I'm being paranoid and you've checked them all already. BLongley 18:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I understand that the "Second Stage Lensmen" is a different title than mine which is a "Second Stage Lensman". The art work isn't exactly the same, in that there is border around the 'space ship' but the 'space ship' portion of the art work against a white nova or whatever is the same as the art work which is on my cover. It is defitately by the same artist. Rhschu 01:56, 18 June 2008 (UTC)Rhschu


 * OK, approved. Thanks for checking. BLongley 06:17, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

The Great Hunt
I approved your submission, and added the maps and interior art as actual contents entries, not just notes. Please check and if there are page numbers worth specifiing (perhaps for the maps) perhaps you might add them. Thanks. -DES Talk 00:28, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * No that was it. Thanks Rhschu 01:44, 18 June 2008 (UTC)Rhschu

Dragon Prince: Book III: Sunrunner's Fire
I have approved this submission, but I then changed "Map" to "Map (Sunrunner's Fire)". Fairly generic titles like "introduction", "Afterword", "Author's Note", "Map", and "Frontispiece" we tend to qualify with the name of the work in parens to avoid large numbers of identical titles, which makes the search function less useful, and also reduces the usefulness of the author displays. -DES Talk 16:18, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Serpent Mage
I Approved your submission, but added page indications to the illustrations and score that are on un-numbered pages. The result is. Note that Help:Screen:EditPub says:
 * The following special locations can be used:
 * fc -- front cover
 * fep -- front end paper, or inside front cover of a magazine
 * bp -- unpaginated pages that precede pagination
 * ep -- unpaginated pages that follow pagination (although generally we would expect people to count forward to find a page number)
 * ''bc -- back cover
 * bep -- back end paper, or inside back cover or a magazine
 * ## (actual count) -- actual handcounted pages, not counting the front cover or front endpaper, for a book without page numbers
 *   -- descriptive of the location in some other way. E.g. "Inset artwork on poster inserted with this magazine".

I hope this is helpful. -DES Talk 16:29, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It is helpful. Thanks. Rhschu 12:52, 13 July 2008 (UTC)Rhschu

Solar Lottery
Right cover? BLongley 12:38, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry it has taken so long. I have been away.  Yes this is the right cover. Rhschu 12:53, 13 July 2008 (UTC)Rhschu

Secret of the Lost Race
I have the 75831 copy you verified. My copy shows price $0.75, story starts pg 5. and //ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41LOJ89H0aL.jpg for picture. May I change it and then do the primary (transient) verification. I did not expect the picture to become full blown. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 00:15, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * To avoid an image displaying you can
 * display it as a bracketed link
 * like this: this cover, or
 * use the nowiki tag to suppress expansion
 * like this http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41LOJ89H0aL.jpg, or
 * not include the protocall specifier http://
 * like this: "ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41LOJ89H0aL.jpg"
 * I hope that is helpful. Edit this to see the wiki code used to produce the above effects.-DES Talk 00:23, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, DES. I will work on it. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 11:57, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Phillip José Farmer's The Dungeon, Book I: The Black Tower
I am not entirely sure what we want to do with the interior art in this book, so I have started a discussion over on ISFDB:Community Portal. Please feel free to jump in! :) Ahasuerus 01:33, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The discussion results were inconclusive and in the meantime another editor has created a verified publication record for this printing. I ended up adding the sketches to the Notes section and rejecting your submission, but we can always add them as Titles later on since the data is preserved in Notes. Thanks! Ahasuerus 17:25, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I am the 'erring' editor and will gladly turn this back over to you. I knew the subject had come up, but as usual for me, lost the topic and when I checked my book I did not know I was trampling on your efforts. I did have reservations and when I saw this I jumped in. Please reshape it to your view. I am removing my verification. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No worries! Your submissions didn't conflict with Rhschu's since he wanted to add all 15 sketches as individual INTERIORART Titles. There was some concern that we could end up with every book illustration entered separately, so I ended up moving this information to Notes. Feel free to re-verify the pub :) Ahasuerus 16:06, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I just do not want to step on toes. --Dragoondelight 12:44, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It's pretty much inevitable that different editors will be working on the same authors/titles/publications from time to time. Similarly, two or more moderators may be working the submission queue at the same time and, although we have the Hold mechanism to prevent conflicts, cross-approvals happen from time to time. We just sort it out after the fact :) Ahasuerus 13:56, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The "hold" was not obvious to me or I would not have touched it, till there was a resolution. --Dragoondelight 12:44, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * That's right, there is nothing in the software that would let editors know about a pending submission affecting a particular publication. Something to add to our wish list, I suppose. Ahasuerus 13:56, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I understood the issues of grouping it versus titling/crediting each individual work or as I saw it portion of the whole work. I am happy enough by the compromise of connecting it all, even more than having just one individual express their viewpoint. It is a collaborative result, and therefore has more potential value. My withdrawal of the verification is not in a 'tiff', it is an attempt to give first person effort credit first. --Dragoondelight 12:44, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, Rhschu didn't verify the publication and, besides, he hasn't been seen since July, so I think it's safe to verify it. It's true that some editors are a little proprietary about "their" verifications, but overall it's not a huge deal. The important thing is to make sure that we mark all publications that we have seen as "verified" to distinguish them from data that came from secondary sources and may not be quite as reliable. Ahasuerus 13:56, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, being the primary for me is only to establish a person with the book to connect to and show that the posting has been worked on. I will transient to make sure people can cross check, but really would feel most comfortable if he primary verifies it. If he is really against it, then it may need rebuilding, but my verification before he has the chance may limit the proper display of the book.
 * The issue therefore is that unfortunately another 'need' of the system. Something to show that an item is in work, hold, discussion, etc. That begs that it behoove the group when discussing a presentation and someone with a copy and they have a differing view, be asked to submit their presentation of how it should look. This brings to mind the other need that an item should be able to put on hold by the submitter (submission/hold button) that way moderators can see that the submitter knows there is a problem, but effectively is reluctant to 'dump out' the submission because they may loose the train of thought that leads to conflict. Also. there is an issue that a moderator hold needs to be visible to the submitter to look at. If he can look at the hold to compare the comments to it, it would be easier to understand the moderator point of view for the problem. Too much. Thanks, Harry --Dragoondelight 12:44, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

The Bull and the Spear
I approved your submission, and added an amazon cover URL. Please check that it matches your copy. I also added some notes from my online research, including that amazon and ISBNDB confirm the assumed ISBN as correct. -DES Talk 15:59, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The cover does match my copy and the notes are fine. I assume that Amazon is correct but I frequently find errors in their information.Rhschu 19:20, 23 July 2008 (UTC)Rhschu
 * Amazon is usually correct on ISBNs, but is often in error on publication dates at least in having spurious "day of the month" figures, is often only approximately correct on page counts (as it generally takes publisher advance info before the final page count is known, and never corrects it). On older books, amazon frequently lists as the publisher the firm that NOW owns the ISBN range, even if when the work was published the publisher name was quite different. Amazon frequently sticks series names or publisher series names in parens as part of the title when such are not listed in the book as part of the title, because it has no series field as such. And sometimes amazon is just plain wrong. In my experience to date ISBNDB.COM is less likely to be incorrect, but more likely to be incomplete, than amazon. -DES Talk 20:54, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I will check out ISBNDB>com, thanks.Rhschu 16:39, 26 July 2008 (UTC)Rhschu

The Way to Dawnworld
I have approved your addition of the 1975 edition of this novel, but it appears to be exactly the same as the one that Kraang verified a while back. Did the submission get away from you before you had a chance to change the data, perchance? Ahasuerus 00:35, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * His is the US printing, mine is the Canadian. I think what we should do for these is combine them into one listing that mentions the existence of the two different printings. What do you think? For the later printings with the price difference I list the publisher as Ballantine(Canada). Kraang 01:08, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, I see it now! As far as merging goes, you are our resident expert on all things Canadian, so I'll defer to your judgment :) If we do decide to go that route, we may want to mention it on the Rules and Standards page and update Help accordingly. Ahasuerus 01:15, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * This is exactly what I did. My assumption was that they were two different printings, one US and the other Canadian. I just did this again with Jack L. Chalker's 'Songs of the Dancing Gods'.Rhschu 19:11, 23 July 2008 (UTC)Rhschu
 * It also occurs to me, that if you merge the US and Canadian printings together, how do you distiguish between the 1st international printing and the 1st US printing, particularly if the US and the Canadian printings were on different dates?Rhschu 19:39, 23 July 2008 (UTC)Rhschu
 * I'd be happier if we DON'T merge such, if they really are different printings. "How to tell" is increasingly difficult though - nowadays the same book seems to appear on Amazon US, UK, and Canada with the same ISBN and three different prices and publication dates, but we'll all get the same book with three prices on. On recent books, I tend to make sure I list all the prices (in order) and note any difference between country of printing and country that claims to be publishing it. Fortunately, most of my collection is from the days of "For Copyright reasons, this edition is not for sale in the USA" - so I just have to list prices for Australia, New Zealand, Canada, South Africa, Ireland, Malta, Gibraltar, etc... occasionally two prices for some of them as they decimalised... Actually, sometimes I wish there never HAD been a British Empire, or that countries left the Commonwealth a bit faster! BLongley 21:46, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, I think that you just came up with a good plot line for an SF novel. An alternate universe/reality/probability without the British Empire./Rhschu 16:42, 26 July 2008 (UTC)Rhschu

The Faceless Man
Could you please re-check your verified  to see if the cover artist is ? You verified the artist as. Thanks! Marc Kupper (talk) 01:04, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Generation Warriors
Added $C price to. I hadn't noticed that crazy thing with the authors before...? Interesting.--Bluesman 23:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Labyrinth of Night
Added $C price to your verified .--Bluesman 05:18, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Garden of Rama
This. . In checking your verification against my copy. I found and added cover art, novel start page and Canadian price. If you have problems with this msg me. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 17:45, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Out of Phaze-Michael Storrings not cover artist here
Ths. . Michael Storrings is not the cover artist. His name comes off of the left bottom of two maps preceding the text and should be entered as interiorart. Also a note to the effect that they are signed 1987 Storrings which leads to Michael Storrings as the artist. Canada price of C$5.25 also. My apologies, I figure it was a simple glitch trying to make sure an artist was credited. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:21, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Yurth Burden
I have updated your verified to change the interior art credit from Andre Norton to Jack Gaughan plus added a note explaining the source for this credit. --Marc Kupper|talk 20:09, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Labyrinth of Night
Added a cover image and some notes to ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:12, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

World Without Stars
Added a cover image to --Bluesman 19:06, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

The Warriors of Spider---added cover image/notation
This. . I added cover image and notation as per my copy match of your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:31, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Time War- added notation and Author's Note
This. . I added notation and the 'Author's Note' by Lin Carter. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:16, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Ship Who Searched
Added a cover image to --Bluesman 05:39, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

The Witch Goddess-adds
This. . I added cover image and notation. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 17:07, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Anvil of Stars---added notation/start page number
Good Morning. This. . I added notation and start page number according to my copy match to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:15, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Satan's World -- cover image
I added this image to your verified that matches my copy of the same edition. --MartyD 20:23, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Journey to the Underground World
I changed the date for your verified pub. My copy indicates "First Printing, November 1979". I also added a credit for the interior art. Thanks.--Rtrace 02:17, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Key Out of Time--- added cover
Morning. This. . I added a cover image. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:31, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Lord Kalvan of Otherwhen---added cover artist/notation
Morning! This. . I added the cover artist after locating the Michael Whelan signature (sigil?) and made notes from my copy match to your ver. Thanks, Harry --Dragoondelight 14:01, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Heaven Cent
I added the author's note to your verified pub to match my copy. Thanks Willem H. 16:31, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Riddle of the Seven Realms added cover/notation
Morning! This. . I added a cover image and notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:51, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Lord Foul's Bane
I added a cover image to your verified pub. Thanks. --Rtrace 03:57, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Return to Kaldak -   added cover image/notation
Afternoon! This. . I added a cover image and notation after matching my copy to your ver. I also changed date of publication by one month to March 1983. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 23:16, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Conan the Swordsman
I added the cover artist, a note, pagenumbers, interior art, dollarsign and correct ISBN to your verified pub to match my copy. Thanks Willem H. 14:47, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Golden Scorpio -    added cover/notation/contents
Afternoon! This. . I added after matching my copy to your ver, a cover image, notation and contents. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:27, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

The Barbarian of World's End
I added a cover image, interior art credits and a contents listing for the glossary to your verified pub. Thanks. --Rtrace 13:44, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Children of the Mind
I added the afterword to the contents of this verified pub and changed the number of pages to match my copy. Thanks Willem H. 20:05, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Satan's World
I replaced a broken cover image for your verified pub. Thanks. --Rtrace 00:29, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Added cover artist
I added the cover credit for your verified as Jeff Jones from his J & dot in a box logo.Don Erikson 01:24, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

The Time War
Bluesman has updated your verified pub with "The artist is not credited, partial signature is on the cover." FYI. Kevin 00:27, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

The Power That Preserves
I added some more contents to this verified pub to match my copy. Thanks Willem H. 14:05, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

And to White Gold Wielder as well. Willem H. 14:22, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

And the cover artist plus notes to The Gap Into Conflict: The Real Story. Willem H. 16:01, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Journey to the Underground World -  added notation/contents
Morning! This. . After matching my copy to your ver, I added notation and contents to the record. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:19, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

The Faceless Man -  added notation
Morning! This. . I added notation to the record after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:36, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Man from Mundania
I replaced the cover image for your verified pub. My copy has the words "A New Xanth Novel!" in the medallion on the cover rather than "A Xanth Novel!" as in the current cover scan. Let me know if your copy disagrees with mine. Thanks. --Rtrace 00:29, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Heaven Cent
I replaced another one for. My copy has the words "The Newest Xanth Novel!" in the medallion on the cover rather than "A Xanth Novel!" as in the current cover scan. Thanks. ~Ron --Rtrace 00:39, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Slave Girl of Gor
Added cover image to [this] --Bluesman 00:59, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Cycle of Fire
I added to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 19:05, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

The Gap Into Conflict: The Real Story
I added to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 20:23, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

White Gold Wielder
I added to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 16:04, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

The Silicon Mage -  added cover/notation
Morning! This. . I added a cover image,, and notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:04, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Shadowkeep -  added notation
Morning! This. . I added notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:29, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Golden Scorpio
I added to Golden Scorpio to replace this Amazon link. Thanks, Willem H. 20:24, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Dragonsong
I added the cover artist and some notes to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 16:40, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Also added this cover scan. Thanks, Willem H. 14:05, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

The Real Story -  added notation/contents
Afternoon! This. . I added notation and excerpt to contents after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:55, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Tunnel in the Sky -   added cover image/notation
Afternoon! This. . I added a cover image and notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 22:32, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

additions to The Berserker Throne
I added this image and some notes to your verified, matching my copy of the same 1st printing. --MartyD 00:55, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Lord Kalvan of Otherwhen
I added to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 11:49, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Voyagers II: The Alien Within
I have added the Canadian ISBN to Voyagers II: The Alien Within. Ahasuerus 01:25, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

A Private Cosmos
Added cover scan and Introduction to. Dana Carson 08:45, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

The Warriors of Spider
I scanned/uploaded a cover for. Something to look into is you had verified the publication with a slightly different cover that's here. --Marc Kupper|talk 23:40, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Splinter of the Mind's Eye submission
Hi. An eagle eye realized your proposed Splinter of the Mind's Eye submission appeared to be for the same edition as this, your submission providing much more detailed notes and a far superior scan. I've moved your notes and scan link into the existing entry and am going to reject your original submission. Please verify when you get a chance (I took everything verbatim, although I changed the LCCN reference to embed a link to the loc site). Thanks. --MartyD 10:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I did a "hard" rejection (because the eagle-eyed moderator had it on hold, not me), and the result was rather harsh. Sorry about that, I didn't realize how the end result would appear.  --MartyD 11:04, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

King Kobold Revived
It appears that the Prologue that was entered as part of this pub is actually part of the novel, and, as such, would not have a separate content record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:31, 21 October 2010 (UTC) Sorry it took me so long to respond but I haven't used the ISFDB for a while and I forgot how to reply to messages. The Prologue looked to me like a separate essay. Sorry about that. Rhschu

signing talk page comments
Please don't forget to sign your talk page comments with four tildes (~). This is converted into your username (with a link to your user page) or to your custom sig if you ahve one set in your prefderences, plus a timestamp. Thanks. -DES Talk 04:19, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I did forget. Thanks for reminding me. Rhschu 15:46, 1 November 2010 (UTC)Rhschu
 * Also please remember to indent with one or more colons at the start of a line, and not with a blank space or spaces. An initial space forces display in a no-wrap mode which is intended for displaying programming, and does not work well for text. (see the section above.) A bit weird, but that's how the wiki works. Welcome back -DES Talk 18:15, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

The Star Road submission
Hi. It looks like your proposed submission of The Star Road may be a duplicate of. What do you think? --MartyD 14:05, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey. You are absolutely correct. I missed it. I thought I checked them all. Sorry about that.Rhschu 20:43, 6 November 2010 (UTC)Rhschu
 * I think I can safely say just about everyone has done it at some point. It's easy to miss a random printing.  So why don't you transfer any additional details to the existing one and Primary2 verify that, and I'll reject your submission (or you can cancel it yourself) when you're done.  Thanks.  --MartyD 22:39, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I can do a Primary2 verification but before I do, I would like to ask the Primary verifier where the 1980-03-00 date came from. I have no such date for my copy. How do I create a this entry link as you did above?Rhschu 04:50, 7 November 2010 (UTC)Rhschu
 * As the primary verifier, I jump in just to indicate that the date seems to come from Locus (as per notes) but that I didn't add this info (IIRC I've just verified this publication against my copy which, as yours doesn't have any date). Hauck 14:26, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I can confirm the information. Locus #232 (April 1980) has this pub in the March books received section. Stated is: "(DAW UJ 1526, 0-87997-526-1, $1.95, 208pp, pb) Reissue collection (Doubleday 1973). Third DAW printing. Can't do a Locus1 verification however, since the online index starts with 1984. --Willem H. 14:47, 7 November 2010 (UTC)


 * You can link to the ISFDB entries two ways. One is you can make a normal Wiki link to the page.  That is done by
 * [ + the URL + space + label + ] i.e.,  this entry  produces this entry
 * The other is to use special templates that have been set up. The three commonly used ones are the P (for Publication), T (for Title), and A (for Author) templates.  That is done by
 *    i.e.,    produces.
 * For publications, you can use the tag or the id number (what comes after the "?" in the URL for the page). For titles, there is just an ID number.  For authors, you use the author's name spelled out.  After you've entered the text, you can use the "Show Preview" button at the bottom of the page to see what the link will look like (and you can go over it with your mouse and/or right-click on it to see if it goes to where you want it to).  --MartyD 11:02, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Since the primary verifier has already responded and there is confirmation of the date I will go ahead and do a Primary2 verification. I appreciate the link information. Thanks guys.Rhschu 03:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC)Rhschu

Louise Cooper's "Nemesis"
I added a content item to your verified edition of this book, adding the map in the front of the book as an internal art item. Chavey 03:29, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Virtual Mode cover and notes
I replaced the Amazon default cover with a scanned image, and added notes to your verified. AndonSage 03:25, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Heaven Cent - notes
I added notes to your verified. AndonSage 17:32, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Man from Mundania - notes and content
I added notes and content lines for Author's Note, Lexicon supplement and For Love of Evil (excerpt) to your verified. AndonSage 18:01, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Phoenix - cover image and notes
I replaced the default Amazon cover image with a scanned image, and added notes to your verified (Vlad Taltos #5). AndonSage 10:21, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

The Star Road
I expanded the notes on your verified pub, including a mention of Jack Gaughan's credit being based on the visible signature in the interior artwork. Thanks Kevin 21:32, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Monaco - Broken Stone
I added some Amazon art to your verified pub. Kevin 19:40, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Foundation
If your copy of this publication gives a printing date, please record it in the note field so that anyone with the July 1986 printing (also stated as the 13th) will not delete or correct the data in either one. Also, please do a primary verification of the record when you get a chance. Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:38, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Brackett's The Sword of Rhiannon
We already have a record for the edition you submitted. Your submission dates the book as 1953, which may be the copyright date, (this was the first Ace printing), but that's not Ace F-422's publication date. I'll reject it. Mhhutchins 18:44, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Night Mare
I'm going to accept the submission adding a pub of this title to the database, but will making some changes to have it conform to ISFDB standards:
 * Adding the number sign (#) before a catalog number (non-ISBN)
 * Adding a currency sign before the price, and a leading zero for less-than-a-dollar price
 * De-personalizing the note field. A line like "I have had a great deal of trouble locating information about this book anywhere." are OK to record in a note to the moderator, but don't belong in the visible record. We also usually don't record chapter titles for a novel, but I'll let them stand in the record.

Thanks for contributing. Mhhutchins 19:05, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Code of the Lifemaker
I'm holding a submission to add a pub that appears to be identical to this one. Is there any difference between your copy and that one? Mhhutchins 04:57, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

The Golden Sword
I'm holding a submission to add a new publication to this title, but there is already an unverified record very similar to your submission. If it's the same, please cancel you submission and update the current record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 14:48, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

The Silver Spike
Added cover image and notes to. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:33, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Line breaks in the note field
In order to create a new line in the note field of a pub you have to use the html code    at the end of the line. A keyboard return is not readable in the note field. Look at how your submission to update this record is displayed: as if it were all one line, even though you used the keyboard return to create a new line in the submission updating the record. Mhhutchins 04:42, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Same situation with this record. Mhhutchins 04:44, 9 March 2012 (UTC)


 * See Help:Using_HTML_in_Note_Fields for some useful tips/techniques. --MartyD 11:29, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Burroughs' Outlaw of Torn
How does your copy differ from the record already in the database? Your submission isn't clear about why it's a different printing. Mhhutchins 18:43, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe I wasn't clear but I thought that I stated that it's exactly the same except for the cover art/artist and the fact that my copy has no information about edition or printing on the copyright page as does the existing publication. It is clearly not exactly the same as the existing publication.


 * You say it's exactly the same except for the cover art/artist, but the submission has the same cover art and the same artist (Frank Frazetta). That's why I'm puzzled. Did you mistakenly leave that data in your submission to clone a record for your copy? BTW, you should use a colon before responses, and add another colon for each additional response. You can see how leaving a space instead of a colon affects the display of the message. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:12, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I thought that I took out Frazetta and put in the artist for my copy but maybe I didn't. The cover artist for my copy was Roy Krenkel.  Sorry about the colons.  I used to know that but I haven't been active for a while.


 * I'm going to accept the submission and allow you to make the changes to match your pub. Mhhutchins 23:32, 10 March 2012 (UTC)


 * A further question about this particular printing: is it the normal sized paperback or one of the smaller ACE editions? I think matching the date to a later printing [the change in covers usually comes later] is in error here, and your printing likely is from late '69 or early '70. --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:54, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Line Breaks (again)
Re: this record. Please read the previous message about creating line breaks in the note field. Mhhutchins 19:29, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry I misunderstood. I think that I've got it now. By the way, that is exactly the right cover art for The outlaw of Torn.


 * Please update the record (and the Bradbury book that I mentioned above) when you get a chance. Mhhutchins 04:32, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Over the Hills and Far Away
I'm holding a submission to add a new record for this title which is identical to this record except for the printing statement. I would suggest that you first contact the verifier of the current record to confirm the statement in his copy of the book. The number in the series would indicate it was published in 1974, not 1972. It's quite likely the record is mistaken and you have the same copy as him. I will hold the submission until you've had a chance to leave him a note. If you find that it's the same record, please cancel your submission. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:29, 13 March 2012 (UTC)


 * After I asked the original verifier to check his copy, the printing statement has been changed, making your submission moot. Mhhutchins 17:00, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

"Mirage", by Lousie Cooper
I added a cover image to your verified edition of this book. Chavey 22:24, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

The Black Flame
It was common practice for Ace, if the first edition/printing was a trade paperback [as in this instance], to simply continue the number line with the mass market printing. In other words there won't be an MMPB with a 1 in the number line. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:09, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Vandenberg by Oliver Lange
You've made a submission to add the English publication of this title under the German language title record. I'll accept the submission, but will have to unmerge the publication from the German title, and then make the German title into a variant of the English one. In the future, do not use the "Add Publication to This Title" unless the title, author and language are exact matches. If you can't find a matching title, use the "Add New Novel" function. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:36, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry. Rhschu

The Golden Steed
I think you meant in the note of this record to say "Second Printing December 1975". Mhhutchins 19:05, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. I did. Rhschu

Abbey's The Black Flame
I think your copy of this is already in the database here. The date info you describe was Ace's method of dating and numbering the first mmpb printing when they'd previously published a trade pb edition. It will state "First Ace Mass-Market Printing" (or Edition), but will have a number line starting with "2". Mhhutchins 15:04, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I just noticed Bluesman gave you the same message three days ago. Mhhutchins 15:05, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I've rejected the submission to clear it from the queue. If you still feel your copy is not the same as the record I link above, leave a message on the Moderator's Noticeboard. Mhhutchins 17:09, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

The Fisherman's Curse - cover image and notes
I added a scanned cover image and notes to your verified. AndonSage 03:44, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

The Chessmen of Mars
I have been adding the essay "Jetan, or Martian Chess" to the US editions of Burroughs' The Chessmen of Mars per Henry Hardy Heins' A Golden Anniversary Bibliography of Edgar Rice Burroughs. Heins states that the 1963 Ballantine edition includes this appendix. Could you check your copy for this appendix? Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:05, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Revolt in 2100
Added notes and scan for your verified here. Hauck 06:33, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Orson Scott Card
I added cover scan to "The Call of Earth".--Teddybear 12:41, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Orion Shall Rise
I added cover art linked from Amazon to your verified pub that matches my copy in hand. Thanks Kevin 03:08, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

The Chessmen of Mars
I added a cover scan to Burroughs' The Chessmen of Mars. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:08, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

At the Earth's Core
I uploaded a cover scan of Burroughs' At the Earth's Core. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:54, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Shadow Singer
I've added a cover scan plus Interior Art content to your verified pub. Thanks. PeteYoung 16:28, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

The Trouble Twisters
Scanned in an image for [this]   --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:18, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Vazkor, Son of Vazkor
I replaced the Amazon image for Vazkor, Son of Vazkor --Willem H. 08:22, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Day of the Minotaur
I added the cover artist to this verified pub based on the signature here. --Willem H. 08:41, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

"Omens of Kregen", by Alan Burt Akers
Your verified publication has a note that says it is "DAW Collector's Book No. 657". However, that number is also used by Marion Zimmer Bradley's Free Amazons of Darkover, and one of the standard listings of DAW Books list "Omens" as being Book No. 656. Could you please check the book again and see if this is a typo on the part of whoever entered that note, or whether DAW itself made the error? To be certain, please check the cover and the copyright page; there are examples known where these two locations have different DAW numbers. Thanks, Chavey 10:35, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Satan's World - Updated
I updated the cover art for your verified pub to match my copy in hand. Thanks Kevin 00:11, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Twilight World - "A Jim Baen Presentation"
I added your verified pub to the publication series "A Jim Baen Presentation", based on my copy in hand. Thanks Kevin 00:45, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

DAW Collectors publication series
In filling out the DAW Collectors Books publication series, I have a question about a book that you verified. Mercedes Lackey's Winds of Fate, 3rd printing, has a note with the "DAW Collector's Number". Since many reprint editions didn't actually list this number, I was hoping you could tell me whether this note was "inherited" from other editions of the book, or whether it actually appears on this edition of the book, and if so, where -- e.g. on the cover, the spine, or the copyright page. Thanks much, Chavey 20:36, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Demon Seed
I've added Lou Feck as cover artist to this record. Cover is shown in Infinite Worlds by Vincent Di Fate.--Teddybear 17:34, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

I added the Canadian price
I added the Canadian price to your verified Don Erikson 19:02, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

A note correction
I corrected the check number for the Canadian ISBN in the notes for your verified .Don Erikson 19:42, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

War of the Wing-Men
Found a signature [initials] on [this] cover. Just below the claws of the 'beast' on the rock is our friend JHB. Added the credit and a note. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:11, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Mad Empress and Mind Wizards of Callisto
I added Vincent Di Fate as cover artist to your verified Mad Empress of Callisto and Mind Wizards of Callisto, plus notes about the source. Thanks, --Willem H. 15:04, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

I added the Canadian price
I added the Canadian price for your verified .Don Erikson 19:03, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Darkness Weaves
I accepted the submission adding this record but see that the stated date doesn't match the notes. Now I'm holding another submission that is identical to the one I accepted, except that the date in the notes now match the date. Did you intend that the second submission be a correction of your first one? Also, are you working from an actual copy of the book? If so, please let the moderator know that in the "Note to Moderator" field. If you're working from a secondary source, you must give the source for your data in the record's "Note" field. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:47, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes the second submission was a correction of the first. I guess I should have said that. I was in a hurry and forgot to change the date. I do have a copy of the book. I should have said that also. Thanks.Rhschu 16:01, 8 November 2012 (UTC)Rhschu
 * In the future, if you find you've missed something or have to make a correction to a submission, you have the option to cancel the submission before it is accepted. Otherwise, it's possible that different moderators may handle each submission without knowledge of the other one, resulting in two records in the db. I will reject the held submission and correct the date of the first one. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:23, 8 November 2012 (UTC)


 * A helpful hint: when adding notes to a record, and you wish to have them displayed on different lines, you have to enter an HTML break. Keyboard returns ("Enter" key) is not recognized in the note field. If you look at this record, you'll see all notes are displayed in one line. If you edit the pub, you'll see that the raw data is on separate lines. Adding the HTML break at the end of the line will force the lines to be displayed separately. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:30, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Eight Stories from The Rest of the Robots
I accepted the submission to change the notes in this record, assuming you have an actual copy of the book (notifying the moderator of this fact in the "Note to Moderator" field really helps if you haven't done a primary verification of the record.) Please PV the record when you get a chance. Mhhutchins 16:18, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes I do have a copy of the book and it was my intention to do a primary varification after the edit was accepted. I will say so in the future.  Thanks. Rhschu 15:57, 8 November 2012 (UTC)Rhschu

The Tower of Zanid
Hello, I've put your submission on hold as your book is perhaps this already entered one, can you have a look? Thanks. Hauck 16:30, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * That looks like it but I can't imagine why I didn't see it. I looked really carefully. Sorry.Rhschu 19:24, 8 November 2012 (UTC)Rhschu
 * No problem, I'll reject your submission. Hauck 19:58, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Down to a Sunless Sea
Yes, bibliography can be fun and confusing, often at the same time. Publishers can screw up when it comes to recording a title's publishing history. There is an OCLC record for the "First Ballantine Books ed" of 1984. I trace the publisher's confusion to its efforts to maintain records for a newly-acquired imprint (Fawcett Crest). I'll create an ISFDB record for the 1984 printing based on the OCLC record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:03, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thsnk you. I had reached a point where I wasn't sure just what to do. I'm glad I asked.Rhschu 16:49, 9 November 2012 (UTC)Rhschu

Del Rey
This imprint should be entered using the standard ISFDB: "Imprint / Publisher". In this case the most common form is Del Rey / Ballantine. I've corrected this record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:28, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Demon in the Mirror
A couple of problems with your submission to add a 1978 printing to this title record. The first problem was changing the authors' names when you entered the data. This should have been the first signal that it was being entered under the wrong title record. If you use the "Add Publication to This Title" function and subsequently have to change the title or author field, then you should back out and look for a matching title record. It's possible the confusion was caused by the title given on the cover, which according to this record of the 1978 first printing doesn't match the title given on the title page. That's another signal that there's a problem with the submission. You should always get your title and author data from the book's title page, and never from the cover or dustjacket. It appears that your copy matches the pub that I've linked here. If so, cancel your submission. If not, let me know of the difference and I'll accept the submission, but remove it from the incorrect title record and variant it to the parent record. One last thing: you entered the title series in the publication series field. Title series are added to the title record, and that's already been done. Here's a link to a help page which explains the difference in title series and publication series (which are only entered in publication records.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:58, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Camber of Culdi
Please see this discussion. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:44, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

The Empire Strikes Back
Re: The Empire Strikes Back

Added cover image scanned from personal collection.--Astromath 03:58, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Star Wars
Please see this discussion regarding the replacement of the cover image of Star Wars. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:34, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Down to a Sunless Sea
Re: Down to a Sunless Sea

Adding cover image scanned from personal collection. Adding notes. Adding "Author's Note" to Content.--Astromath 02:47, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Have Space Suit - Will Travel
Re: Have Space Suit - Will Travel

Replacing " - " (space, en dash, space) with "—" (em dash) in the title. Title page shows an em dash while the cover shows an en dash.--Astromath 13:18, 23 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello, Rhschu! This is just to inform you that I'm still holding the submission by Astromath until you have declared if you're comfortable with the change. Stonecreek 10:49, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, today I approved of the submission. If I'd wait longer the sub. gets into danger as to be forgotten. Stonecreek 13:31, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

At the Earth's Core
Re: At the Earth's Core

You and Don Erikson have verified this pub. It is noted in the notes that the artist's signature is not found on the cover. However it is on the cover. Look at the "man" in the lower right corner with his right hand stretched out. The signature is below the man's sleeve on the rock. The problem is I cannot read it. I'm also informing Don Erickson of this find. I've tried to help by uploading a higher resolution image scanned from my collection.--Astromath 20:03, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


 * According to the movie's Wikipedia page the artist for the poster this cover is taken from is Tom Chantrell. Being you're the primary verificationerizering guy you you should first say if this is enough to change it.Don Erikson 20:46, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Chapterhouse: Dune
Re: Chapterhouse: Dune

Adding cover image scanned from personal collection.--Astromath 23:57, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Heir to the Empire
Re: Heir To the Empire

Replacing Amazon image with correct one scanned from personal collection.--Astromath 02:52, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

E. R. Eddison's The Mezentian Gate
Please, take a look at this. You might want to have a word in it. Stonecreek 15:23, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Tau Zero
Added note about the cover artist of Tau Zero. --Willem H. 08:50, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

I added the Canadian price
I added the Canadian price on your verified .Don Erikson 18:38, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

The Cerulean Storm
Re: The Cerulean Storm

Adding cover image scanned from personal collection. Adding notes.--Astromath 19:45, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

The Outcast, The Seeker
Re: The Outcast, The Seeker

Adding cover image scanned from personal collection. Adding notes.--Astromath 19:56, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Exile Waiting
Found a signature on the cover of [this], bottom edge left of the leading figure is 'Kresek' in a faint lilac print, hard to make out. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:58, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Under the Green Star's Spell
You did a verification of. Whelan's Wonderworks has the following illustration labeled for a non-existent book and Hall3730 (primary verify) is not active anymore. Is the picture actually from In the Green Star's Glow? Thanks http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/6/6c/NTHGSGLW1D1976-s.jpg
 * Yes. This illustration is on the reverse side of the fly leaf, facing the Title Page.  The caption reads "Zorak snatched up his bow and loosed an arrow".  I hope that helps. ~Rhschu


 * (Jumping in here) - I updated the pub record to add the "Editor's Note", the Appendix, and to also add a couple notes to match my copy in hand - Adding the editors note was important because it includes the working title "... Spell" (instead of 'Glow'). I've left linking or varianting or expanding the interior artwork contents for O'Fearna. I'm not opposed to either solution (Linking the single interior artwork as a variant, (with a note) or adding 4 separate interior artwork records and linking just the single panel/page which is reprinted- Thanks, Kevin 15:42, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Black Colossus Story Length
You verified Conan the Freebooter from Lancer that contains this story. The story is currently classified as a "Short Story". I believe it's length clearly indicates it is a novelette, which seems apparent comparing it to other stories in this pub. Please let me know on my discussion page what you think about reclassifying it. Bob 19:15, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Second Foundation deletion
Hi. I have on hold your submission that would delete your verified 21st printing of because the note to the moderator sounds as if you do not want to delete it. But if that is true, then I don't understand why you submitted the deletion instead of canceling it. :-) Do you want that deletion accepted?  If not, you can cancel it yourself, or I can reject it.  Thanks.  --MartyD 13:09, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Dragondrums
You may be able to date your [13th] printing by the ads in the back. I used them to date the [12th] printing. Even if not you can purloin/borrow the image! ;-) --~ Bill, Bluesman 05:55, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I will check the ads for the date but I have image scans, front and back, for all of my books.~Rhschu

Exiles at the Well of Souls
Re: Exiles at the Well of Souls Added LCCN to notes.--Astromath 23:51, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Echoes of the Well of Souls
Re: Echoes of the Well of Souls Added LCCN to notes.--Astromath 04:22, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Corrected the page count
I corrected the page of your 2nd verification of this book from 220 to 221. The original verifier is no longer active.Don Erikson 22:27, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

I added the Canadian price to your verified
I added the Canadian price to your verified .Don Erikson 20:06, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

I added the Canadian price to your verified
I added the Canadian price to your verified .Don Erikson 19:59, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Howard's Bran Mak Morn
I expanded the notes to Howard's Bran Mak Morn, detailing some secondary sources. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:49, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Witchfires of Leth
Witchfires of Leth is in the title series "Crossroads Adventure". As per this discussion, I'm turning it into a publication series. Darkday 22:53, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Do Androids Dream ...
PV1 spot vacated for [this] edition, my copy is CDN. --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:11, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Not Frazetta?
You verified here that the cover artist is Frank Frazetta. If you could please check your copy I think you'll find that it isn't. All the 2nd printings of this series have different covers by another artist. The record for the first printing notes that is was originally mistaken for Frazetta but is Jeff Jones and this mistake might have carried over to the 2nd printing. Thanx.Don Erikson 22:58, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

I added cover artist credit
I added the cover credit to your verified from the artist's web site.Don Erikson 22:10, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Gordon R. Dickson's Guided Tour
In your verified, the Gordon R. Dickson poem that was titled "The Guided Tour" has been changed to Guided Tour. The absence of "The" was confirmed with another verifier and is consistent with the Canadian edition of that publication. Let me know if there are any issues. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:15, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

I added the Canadian price to your verified
I added the Canadian price to your verified .Don Erikson 22:29, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

I added cover credit to your verified
I added cover credit to your verified .Don Erikson 18:58, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

I added contents to your verified
I added contents to your verified [I added contents to your verified].Don Erikson 18:54, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

The Tombs of Atuan
I added the cover artist and some notes to The Tombs of Atuan. Bob 20:59, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

City of a Thousand Suns
Hi - I've added a scan to replace the Amazon link to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256308 Prof beard 14:37, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

The High Crusade
Hello, I've added cover artist Jack Faragasso for this publication, see faragassoart.com. Horzel 22:11, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Orsinian Tales
Hi, I've added cover artist Pauline Ellison to this edition, since she's credited on the Dutch edition with same cover art. Horzel 22:57, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

The King's Buccaneer submissions
Hi. I understand your second submission to say that you do not want the change to $7.50 in your first submission? If that is true, you can cancel both of them. From the home page click on "My Pending Edits" at the left, and you will see your submissions and can cancel from there. If you'd rather something be done with those, let me know. Thanks. --MartyD 03:31, 9 January 2014 (UTC)