User talk:Marc Kupper/Open items

I don't always have the publication handy to handle a request for additional data or to double-check additions to a publication. These items are parked here to keep my talk page to a reasonable size.

Please add requests/updates to my main talk page.

Sword of Chaos- added cover/story paging
This. . I added the cover and story paging from my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 16:06, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I felt I needed to add this note. "Cover art and frontispiece by Hannah M. G. Shapero. This frontispiece is present and is missing in some later printings. No apparent signature." I have the Seventh printing and it was missing the frontispiece and I so noted that. Thus I thought it important to note that your ver had it in case someone needed to see it. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:06, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks - My copy book is lost in chaos at the moment. --Marc Kupper|talk 04:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Shadow of Heaven
Added a couple of notes to [] ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:35, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Earth Abides -- dating question
I have a copy of Earth Abides that sort of matches your verified RTHBDS1971, the notable exception being that my copy's copyright page states:


 * Printed in the United States of America
 * May 1971

at the bottom. Above that is the LCCN. It is the $0.95, #M1551 Fawcett Crest book, and it matches the cover image associated with the entry. The SBN appears only on the spine. I see in the notes your copy did not have a date and there was some question of the date's origin.

What do you think? Should I create a new entry, since I seem to have a different printing? Should I change the existing entry to 1971-05-00? --MartyD 22:04, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I pulled my copy, as you suggested I could, and I find that I still totally match Marc's description. A couple of questions. My copy has the copyright page start approximately half way down. Does yours? Where did they place the two lines? Above or below? Do they look like the same type or do they look slightly different? My last page (318 actual count) has a page of ads. They start right side T1550 75¢, M1552 95¢, P1526 $1.25. etc. Does yours match? I checked ABE and one vendor is definitely selling an undated printing M1551. The careful way he states it, makes me positive that he is open to seeing one's with correct dating.


 * Not to take over, but I think Marc is going to say go ahead and add yours with the date given and noted differences. I think the DB has to assume that what you have is a 'tangible' difference. This will make it easier to compare and keep in mind while checking. A reasonable possibility is that Marc's/mine are printed in Canada, without it being so stated. If you clone from Marc's, I believe it will create no new problems, and if it is later decided to delete or merge the two, the mods have that ability. I have seen Ace printings stating first printing, first edition and they were not, so usually the best thing is to add, note completely and watch the fur fly. You also could ask on the community board for other people to check if they have the same copy, but that is a long shot. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:52, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I will add my copy with the notes as another pub. My copy's copyright page starts halfway down, too.  Title line, "This book contains the complete text..." block-letter sentence, A Fawcett Crest Book... sentence, copyright line, All rights reserved... paragraph, Except for an occasional reference... paragraph, LCCN line, a couple of blank lines, Printed in the United States of America line, May 1971 (this as low as they print the text on each page, on the line above the line they put page numbers on).


 * My ad page is different. P1599 $1.25, M1600 95¢, P1601 $1.25, etc.  In fact, none of your three examples is listed in mine.  Curious.  I am going to take the ad entries you cite above and add them to the notes of the existing pub and add these examples from mine to the new pub to help the next editor.  --MartyD 11:13, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Marty, apologies to you. I am totally blind and stupid. I just checked your line by line and discovered I made an error in checking my copy. I saw "Published by Fawcett World Library (over) 67 West 44th Street, New York, N. Y. 10036". I took the whole as an address but the next line reads "Printed in the United States of American" (over) "May 1971". I feel like a dolt, but I have to wonder if Marc may have done the same. I am amazed that the add page is different as the opposite is the last of the text of the novel. If I read the above correctly you do not have the first two lines. Sorry for the havoc, but if you have blank spaces we still are looking at a copyright page change plus the add page. Makes you wonder when they actually printed it. Apologies, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:02, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * No need to apologize for anything. I did update the notes on the existing pub with the ad info and added a new pub -- still pending approval, but I'll add a link here to the new one once it's accepted.  When I get home tonight (it's ~12:30pm ET where I am), I will reproduce here the entire copyright page and provide more details on the ad page (and see if I can find anything else helpful).  May as well, FWIW.  Is there someplace we should move this discussion to avoid clutting up Marc's talk page?  --MartyD 17:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I think we are in the right place, as Marc is primary and I think he will be fascinated. I am bedazzled that they might reset the 'type' during a printing, as in the last page. Marc will get to this when he can and after he can check his copy. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok, here is a very detailed description of the book I have in hand. In the TOC and subsequent numbering, they count starting with the title page as 1. All text left-justified unless otherwise noted.

1st physical page


 * "IN ITS NARRATIVE FORCE ... FASCINATION." -- The New York Times (4 lines)
 * "THE BOOK HAS MORE ... NOVELS." -- The Christian Science Monitor (3 lines)
 * The FIRST choice of the Science Fiction Book Club
 * The FIRST choice of the International Fantasy Award
 * Among George R. Stewart's many works ... his environment. (4 lines)
 * The FIRST choice of the International Fantasy Award
 * Among George R. Stewart's many works ... his environment. (4 lines)
 * Among George R. Stewart's many works ... his environment. (4 lines)

2nd physical page


 * (blank)

3rd physical page (title page)


 * Earth (right-justified, 1/4 way down page)
 * Abides (right-justified)
 * by George R. Stewart (centered, just above mid-page)
 * A FAWCETT CREST BOOK (right-justified, bottom)
 * Fawcett Publications, Inc., Greenwich Conn. (right-justified)
 * A FAWCETT CREST BOOK (right-justified, bottom)
 * Fawcett Publications, Inc., Greenwich Conn. (right-justified)

4th physical page (copyright page)


 * EARTH ABIDES (1/2 way down page)
 * THIS BOOK CONTAINS ... HARDCOVER EDITION. (2 lines)
 * A Fawcett Crest Book reprinted by arrangement with Houghton Mifflin Company. (2 lines)
 * Copyright 1949 by George R. Stewart
 * All rights reserved. No part ... from the publisher. (5 lines)
 * Except for an occasional ... actual occurrence. (4 lines; author's voice)
 * Library of Congress ... 49-11267
 * Printed in the United States of America
 * May 1971 (line above page number line space)
 * Except for an occasional ... actual occurrence. (4 lines; author's voice)
 * Library of Congress ... 49-11267
 * Printed in the United States of America
 * May 1971 (line above page number line space)
 * Printed in the United States of America
 * May 1971 (line above page number line space)
 * Printed in the United States of America
 * May 1971 (line above page number line space)

page 318 (unnumbered, 320th and final physical page)


 * FAWCETT CREST BOOKS (centered, top)
 * On Top with the Big Bestsellers (centered)
 * THE AMERICAN ...     P1599 $1.25
 * LOVERS ALL UNTRUE ... M1600  95¢
 * THE DOOMSDAY BOOK ... P1601 $1.25 (2 lines)
 * LOSING BATTLES ...   P1584 $1.25
 * ... (15 more titles, 17 lines) ...
 * THE GODFATHER ...    Q1388 $1.50
 * THEM ...             P1467 $1.25
 * EXPENSIVE PEOPLE ... M1408   95¢
 * FAWCETT WORLD LIBRARY (centered)
 * Wherever Paperbacks Are Sold (centered)
 * If your bookseller ... 15¢ ... No Canadian orders.... upon request. (4 lines)
 * FAWCETT WORLD LIBRARY (centered)
 * Wherever Paperbacks Are Sold (centered)
 * If your bookseller ... 15¢ ... No Canadian orders.... upon request. (4 lines)
 * If your bookseller ... 15¢ ... No Canadian orders.... upon request. (4 lines)
 * If your bookseller ... 15¢ ... No Canadian orders.... upon request. (4 lines)

back cover


 * EARTH (1/4 way down, yellow)
 * ABIDES --
 * A NOVEL ... TODAY (4 lines, white)
 * In this ... human survival. (6 lines)
 * "EARTH ABIDES is ... never end." (3 lines)
 * --THE NEW YORKER (right-justified)
 * "Most worthwhile ... meanings." (2 lines)
 * --CARL SANDBURG
 * Fawcett World Library (bottom)
 * "Most worthwhile ... meanings." (2 lines)
 * --CARL SANDBURG
 * Fawcett World Library (bottom)
 * Fawcett World Library (bottom)
 * Fawcett World Library (bottom)

spine (all text rotated 90)


 * A Fawcett (top, white)
 * Crest Book
 * EARTH ABIDES (1/4 way down, yellow)
 * George R. Stewart (middle, white)
 * 449-01551-095 (bottom, white)
 * George R. Stewart (middle, white)
 * 449-01551-095 (bottom, white)
 * 449-01551-095 (bottom, white)

There you have it. A picture's worth a thousand words, but can a thousand words paint a picture? --MartyD 01:26, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I approved the addition before finding this discussion. We can always delete one of the pubs if Marc confirms that they are identical. Ahasuerus 01:42, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * My first mis-match is that I have two lines of address before the "Printed in the United States" on copyright page. On the add page the top is different, and I do not have those items later, but your bottom three are complete matches. My product number line reads top to bottom, T1550, M1552, P1536, P1537, M1538, P1522, M1523, M1450, M1365, M1525, M1478, M1398, P1503, M1504, T1505, M1497, M1482, T1485, Q1388, P1467, M1408. The ad page being different and as I said the opposite page is novel text shows they were capable of changes, which suggests they could do it during the printing cycle. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:08, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The list on my copy's ad page, top to bottom, is P1599, M1600, P1601, P1584, P1570, M1571, M1563, M1588, M1564, P1562, M1497, Q1556, M1557, P1536, P1522, M1523, M1540, M1365, P1503, Q1388, P1467, M1408. --MartyD 03:01, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I have incorporated the information from the above discussion into a "differences from the other 1971 printing" note on each of the pubs. I describe the copyright address/lack-thereof and provide the above two ad page number lists in the respective printings. At least no one will be able to complain about LACK of details.... :-) --MartyD 18:24, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Collected Stories of Vernor Vinge
Added the month of publication to [this] from the 1st TP edition. Does your HC have a $C price? ~Bill, --Bluesman 02:05, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Sword and Sorceress XI-- reply to note and two problems
Hello, Mark. Take your time, as I transient ver'd this. . Here is your note. "Note to anyone with a copy of this publication. My copy is a very dog-eared ex-library copy with several layers of tape and stickers holding the spine together. I'd like to know what is on the bottom part of the spine and am expecting one of

* ISBN - 0-88677-614-7 499 - in one line. * ISBN2 - Price “sideways” 0-88677-614-7 * ISBN3 - Both price and ISBN “sideways” so that they read normally when the book is on a shelf.

It would be great if you can drop me a note as to what's on this publication. Thank you. ~Marc."

Answer. "U.S. (over) $4.99 (over) (line) Can $5.99 (over) (space) 0-88677- (over) 614-7" at bottom spine. ISBN option 3. LOL

Two problems. "Keepsake by Lynn Michals" not Michels (typo). "Sow's Ear by Kathy Ann Trueman" not "The Sow's Ear" though both acknowlegment/copyright and ToC have "the". Great Job, Thsnks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:38, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

The October Cuntry
Replaced the image for [this] with a scan from the first printing and removed the note re:second printing cover being the image shown. ~Bill, --Bluesman 15:31, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

The Postman
Added a cover image to [] ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:08, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Hammerfall
Added a cover image to []--Bluesman 00:03, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Wave Without a Shore
Added a cover image to [] from the second printing, but all data seems to match. ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:20, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Lavender-Green Magic
I updated your verified pub to put the ISBN in the ISBN Field, and the SBN in notes (This lets the Amazon / Alibris / Abe books links work properly). Thanks Kevin 18:59, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Amazons!---added note that frontispiece is by Whelan
Morning!. This. . I added frontispiece note and contents. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:24, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Ancient My Enemy
Added a cover image to [] and, hopefully, the correct gutter code to the notes. ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:01, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Survival
It better be, as that many prices listed can't have stayed stable for long. I also adjusted the cover artist credit as it IS there in very small print to the right of the prices section on the back cover. I think I mentioned once before that some UK artist credits are so close to the edge that mere spine-wear can obscure them. BLongley 22:27, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Renegade by Duchamp
Can you check the credit for cover design of this pub? There are two similar names with one credit each in the db: "Lynne Janson Lampe" and "Lynne Jensen Lampe". Thanks. MHHutchins 05:06, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

The Automated Goliath / The Three Suns of Amara -- cover image
I replaced a broken link with this on your verified, matching my copy of the same edition. --MartyD 21:08, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

The Big Time / The Mind Spider and Other Stories -- cover image
I added this image to your verified that matches my copy of the same edition. --MartyD 21:58, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

One Against Herculum / Secret of the Lost Race -- cover image
I replaced a broken link with this on your verified, matching my copy of the same edition. --MartyD 23:19, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

The Day Star
Added a cover image and a note to []--Bluesman 03:17, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Sword and Sorceress II
The cover image for my copy of your verified pub here differs from the one in the pub record. I've uploaded a scan of my copy here, but wanted to double check with you before replacing the image. Thanks. --Rtrace 12:49, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Trouble with Tycho
Finally found a second copy of [] so replaced the old image with a decent one and added some notes. ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:46, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Six-Gun Planet
Howdy, pardner! Added a cover image to []--Bluesman 01:01, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

The Automated Goliath / The Three Suns of Amara
I replaced the image on your verified with a local (wiki hosted) copy. I ordinarily don't replace unbroken images, but had accidentally uploaded this image for a different pub by mistake (the gory details are on my talk page). Thanks.--Rtrace 02:25, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Tor Double
Added an image for 1/2 of[], no find on the other half.... added the month as well (usually the TOR had this?) ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:30, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. That one is temporarily (I hope) buried. When I see it I'll do the over side. --Marc Kupper|talk 00:52, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Second Book of Leiber
Scanned in a cover image for []--Bluesman 01:50, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

The Heritage of Hastur
I added Jack Gaughan as cover artist in this verified pub. He is credited on the copyright page. Willem H. 15:04, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

One Against Herculum/Secret of the Lost Race added notation
Afternoon! This. . I added notation after matching my copy and Tuck to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:53, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Crystal Line
Added a new cover image for [], broken link. Adjusted the notes accordingly. Locus1 verifies the date of publication and price so, again, adjusted the notes accordingly. ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:54, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Prince of Scorpio- map information
Afternoon! This. . I added information to the firs printing which is slightly different than yours. I sent a message to the memebers of Yahoo Group Kregen and got two replies. First is from the editor of Mushroom/Bladud Books which is publishing the series and working to get the German versions into e-book and print.

Harry,

> I assumed it was Ken Bulmer's, but I need confirmation one way or the other.

The maps are based on Ken's originals, but were redrawn by DAW house artists (who may have included Jack Gaughan). The quality of the paper and printing required heavier lines than Ken's originals. Some appear to include errors - we found and corrected a few errors and omissions in the Havilfar map when preparing it for the wiki.

There are scanned copies of Ken's originals in the wiki. For instance:





I believe, but could be wrong, that these were provided by ZaPeet or Heyne.

Thanks, Martin

The second is from the owner of the group, ZaPeet is another editor who was trying to get the books not published in Englis into ebook format. He got five, and found it financially impossible for him. Ken Bulmer and he became very tight and the maps came through him in the original and so were secured by Martin Heldson, at Mushroom/Bladud Books.

Lahal,

ZaPeet did indeed provide these maps, obtained from Ken himself!

I treasure them because both Tambu and Bet-Aqsa are shown definitively. Sadly, Ba-Domek is not but we know it is fairly close to both of these two lands, in the Ocean of Doubt.

Seg

I do not know if this clarifies anything, but it shows I and they are still involved in all things Bulmer. Maybe, it will give you a laugh. I am not suggesting a change. I was surprised to find the map in our copies of PoS are actually 'cut outs' of the map in the omnibus. I wish Ken's elderly wife could locate more missing material, but the indifference of the children apparently overrides this. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:01, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

The Silver Metal Lover
I added a cover image to your verified pub. Thanks. --Rtrace 12:43, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Heritage of Hastur [2]
Added a cover image and massaged the notes for [] ~Bill, --Bluesman 02:32, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

World Wreckers
Added a cover image to [] --Bluesman 01:22, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Candy Cox / Candy Box and the Big Bad (Were)Wolf (P.C. Cast in Mysteria )
Hi Marc, just alerting you to an oddity on P.C. Cast's page relating to one of your verified publications: There is 2 versions of the name of a novella which I presume is the same piece of work. In your verified publication Mysteria it is "Box". On Amazon US Look Inside, the TOC has it as Cox, so I wonder if there's a typo in the Mysteria publication contents records, or whether the heading of the story itself has the "Box". ... clarkmci/--j_clark 08:09, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Publink is --Marc Kupper|talk 07:22, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

ACE Dbl F-161
Added both artists to [this] courtesy ACE Image Library, with appropriate note. ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:12, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Planet of Judgment
Scanned in a cover image for [this] and added notes. ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:52, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Template:BibHeader
It seems that in BibHeader and AuthorHeader we have created tow near duplicate templates -- at least two templates intended for the same purpose. I suggest that we merge the desired functionality into one of them, and make the outer a redirect. I note that BibHeader does not support the altName mechanism, and thus cannot be used on any disambiguated author names like  or. -DES Talk 13:08, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I saw that too the other day and made a note to merge them but was undecided if Author or Bib is better as a prefix. FWIW, I have been using the name AuthorHeader recently simply as I remember its name based on the namespace name and not out of preference for the argument support or the contents of the header box.


 * I just looked at the two and feel the header and logic for "AuthorHeader" is better. While AuthorHeader's help is more complete I like the wording of the BibHeader help. The placement of the author name in AuthorHeader is disconcerting.


 * Something that seems consistent would be:
 * BioHeader on Bio:Name pages.
 * AuthorHeader on Author:Name pages.
 * PublisherHeader on Publisher:Name pages.
 * PubHeader on Publication:Tag pages. Add a redirect for PublicationHeader?
 * Continuing this we would add SeriesHeader for Series:Tag/record pages. Maybe that's missing as at present there's no cgi to map a series name to record number via the URL.


 * I've sometimes found myself on one of the namespace pages and wondering which was the correct header for that page. I'd try a few names, getting red links, give up, put anything there knowing you'll come along in a minute and fix it. :-) It was particularly frustrating recently as the template I wanted had not been included in Category:Header Templates...


 * I'm all for then adding redirects for the permutations as some people remember the names by function such as BiographyHeader, BibliographyHeader, BibliographicCommentsHeader, plus versions with the space in the name such as Author Header. If we ever get better conditional support then a plain Header can do the trick.


 * Feel free to merge away. --Marc Kupper|talk 20:16, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I have implemented the old-style conditionals with Qif, ifdef, and ifndef, it is maore akward to code than the built-in ParserFunctions-based :If conditions, and it can cause performance problems on huge wikis like wikipedia, but it does work. Look at the coding of {[tl|AuthorHeader}} if you want to see it in action. I am dubious about a theoretical Header however, because the Publisher: Namespace, at least, requres an argument for PublisherHeader, and there are alternates for "verified" publisher and Imprints that can't be detected from the namespace alone. Still it is a thought. I'll see about merging the existing author templates, and creating some redirects. -DES Talk 20:31, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Merge done, and all the redirects you suggested have been created. However I did not create the multi-function header, nor SeriesHeader, the latter because the linking template Series, at least as currently implemented, requires a record number. I'll have to think about that one. -DES Talk 21:20, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you David. It turns out that linking to series by name works. However, I don't understand the argument parsing logic well enough to clone AuthorHeader into SeriesHeader and possibly editing series to support like how a works. --Marc Kupper|talk 22:03, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Since series get renamed rather more often than authors, i think it would be better to use an ID numbers if possible. But perhaps better support for name links can be provided in those templates. -DES Talk 23:23, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Template:Series
Template:Series looks pretty good, but if you are going to support a parameter altname as well as altName, it must be supported at each use. I have made the needed change. -DES Talk 23:46, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Please do not remove altName support unless you are willing to require (and document the requirement) that users link by record number to any series with a special character in the name. There are currently 282 series with an "(" in their title, and 303 with a single quote. Other unsupported characters probably occur also. -DES Talk 00:53, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I have fixed Template:Series to support

Parameters for SeriesHeader‎ and PubSeriesHeader‎
Please note that SeriesHeader‎ and PubSeriesHeader‎, as currently coded, do not support unnamed parameters -- the name and id parameters must be explicitly specified with "name=" and "id=". this is so that the conditional code can test for the presence or absence of the id parameter.


 * Yep, I was just thinking about that and about how many permutations I want to support. At minimum I see
 * will link using
 * will use


 * Other combinations are possible and I'm thinking if Altname support is not needed given we have ID and NAME. Something that may simplify the logic is to always call Series with ID and NAME as it'll work just fine if you happen to call it with a name in the ID field. Thank you for the altName/altname fix. I'd stolen that from a which I see you just fixed and wondered how it could work...


 * I forgot to sign but also the brain is fried for now. I'll deal with updating SeriesHeader later unless you want to tackle it. I'm thinking these are possible.
 * will use
 * will use
 * will use
 * will use
 * will use
 * I need to think about if AltName as a SeriesHeader argument is needed but think not and if we want to support NAME with no ID. --Marc Kupper|talk 00:30, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * altName support is needed, if we are to link by name, here are a few examples:
 * Andromeda (anthologies)
 * Angel (Kilworth)
 * Animals in the Wild (childrens non-genre)
 * Anthologys (non-genre)
 * Arthurian sequence (Wein)
 * Assiti Shards (1632)
 * Assiti Shards (Other)
 * Astounding / Analog (1937-1971)
 * Author, Author! (Future Science Fiction)
 * Author, Author! (Science Fiction Stories)
 * Anchorencode will not work correctly on any name with a parenthesis or a single quote included, and is not guaranteed safe on any character outside A-Z, a-z, and 0-9
 * Or I suppose we could require the use of a record number for such series titles.
 * If you want to retain the unlinked option and the conditional code, then I don't think this one can default to the pagename (for PubSeriesHeader that option is essential, as there often isn't an actual db series record to link to). That option can be dispensed with, i suppose, in which case one could link to ID, which if unspecified defaults to name, which if unspecified defaults to the first parameter, which if unspecified defaults to PAGENAME plus conditionals for altName similar to those in AuthorHeader. -DES Talk 00:44, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * That makes sense. I was doing some testing of the various permutations and for  which is a rather common current usage. It linked to record 16601 but the name "altname" rather than the expected "16601."  I thought about fixing that by putting altname in the outer wrapper but need to think about the various permuations of possible ways to call the thing that make sense.  The only ones we really care about, and don't want to break, are
 * - should show as 16601 - This usage is common.
 * - should show as Fox - this usage is common.
 * - should show as Anthi - this usage is not as common but is in use.
 * - should show as Blade_Double - this usage is rare but is in use and would be the same as the first usage.
 * - should show as Anthi - this usage is rare but is generated by Template:PubSeriesHeader.
 * It looks like only case #2 is broken at the moment. --Marc Kupper|talk 01:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Case 2 fixed. Good to specify the cases. -DES Talk 01:42, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't forget the cases:
 * gives
 * gives
 * gives
 * gives


 * Thank you on the #2 fix - Here's what I'm thinking of for generating the URL and name parts of our link. Does this make sense?
 * URL part - altname overrides altName overrides id overrides
 * name part - altname overrides altName overrides name overrides id overides overides
 * Dinner - be back in a while. --Marc Kupper|talk 01:47, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * What I have now is
 * URL: altName overrides altname overrides id overrides  overrides name
 * Display text: name overrides overrides  overrides id overrides altName overrides altname
 * the order of altName and altname is irrelevant, because they should never be specified together. name must be in the URL sequence to support the case where name is the only paramater. 2 and 1 must override id in the name parameter to handle cases 2 & 3 above correctly. I think all is now correct. -DES Talk 02:12, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Perfect. I thought about the current logic vs. what I had proposed above and the current logic will do well and seems intuitive enough. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Template:BC
I see you recently created Template:BC. It seems to me that this largely duplicates PubHeader although it is not in a header style. Should it be converted to a redirect to PubHeader, or should it be retained for cases where a non-header style is desired, and documented as an alternative on the PubHeader doc page, and on Help:List of ISFDB Templates? -DES Talk 14:44, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I changed the one publication that used BC to use PubHeader and have deleted BC. At the time I added BC the PubHeader template did not exist. I was also thinking more along the lines of having the template name match the function of the page (Publication Bibliographic Comments), wanted the name to be short, and also wanted the name to be easy to remember. I like the new XxxHeader form much better as it seems it's much more likely people will remember the names plus with the alias/redirects they can guess at a reasonable name and even if they get the wrong header then can they quickly find the right one via the category.


 * Can we do conditional logic based on if someone viewing a page is logged into the wiki? As the headers are new something that may encourage their use is to add a boilerplate "Please see header templates for more information about this header" to the end of each of the header templates (template the boilerplate). The goal is to both make people aware of the templates and also to make it easy to find them. Only people that are logged in would need to see this. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:24, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * If there is a way for templates to display differently based on whether the viewer is logged in I don't know of it. It would be possible to put some text into a special CSS class that would display differently depending on a user's individual style sheets, but that wouldn't make a difference unless we got all regular users to edit their personal monobook.css files. We can add the boilerplate if you like, but everyone will see it. It is apparently also possible to change the DB code so that when someone goes to a wiki page via one of the db links, and that page doesn't yet exist, it will be preloaded with the proper header template. A feature request for this is already on file, and it would help i think. -DES Talk 12:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Note that some of the headers, such as BioHeader have been around for months. -DES Talk 12:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It would have been possible to make BC into another alias for PubHeader, and that could still be done if you wish -- redirects are cheap. -DES Talk 12:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * On further research i found this mediawiki help page It shows how to create a special CSS class that has different properties for logged-in and not-logged-i users, at the cost of editing a site-level file to create the style. I think any admin can do this. Then a span tag using the named style could have a "no-display" setting if the user was not-logged in, but display normally for logged-in users. I will test to see if this can be made to work. -DES Talk 14:23, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the hunt. In terms of BC - I did not like adding yet another two letter template to the list of things people would need to remember plus at the time I added that I was thinking we need to sit back a moment and come up with a consistent naming system as both author and publication records can link to bibliographic comments pages.
 * An alternative for detecting logged in users would be extension variables and adding something such as    --Marc Kupper|talk 14:58, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I had already seen at the magic words page that custom variables could be created. But that would require someone with write access to the live wiki config files (Al or Ahas, I think that means in practice) to make the change. I was hoping to avoid that. -DES Talk 15:13, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks as if the new-style solution would still have to be done in the php file for each skin, not the css file, and so would require someone with site-level access. How horrid would it be to add the bolierplate in a normal way, so everyone could see it? -DES Talk 16:13, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I have created Help:Header Templates, which might be linked to in your suggested boilerplate in each header. -DES Talk 19:28, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I knew it would take either Al or Ahasuerus to do the style solution which is why I suggested magic words which would seem to be more intuitive to someone looking at one of the header templates. It's probably not that huge of a deal of the message is visible to everyone as few non-logged in people are likely to even be looking at the comments pages. If we template it then it'll be easy to remove the message should it become an issue.


 * I moved the new help file to Help:Header templates (lower case "t" for the second word) to make the name consistent with other help page names. It turns out nearly existing links are a mix of Help:Header templates and Help:Header Templates. --Marc Kupper|talk 20:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Creating a new magic word would also, i think, require either Al or Ahasuerus to edit several system files. I will implement the boilerplate. -DES Talk 20:41, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Bolierplate added. -DES Talk 21:33, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

River of Eternity
I added the Author's Introduction to the contents of this verified pub. I try to be complete. Thanks Willem H. 20:40, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Also added some more notes after this Willem H. 20:18, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Pub RIVEROE1983 --Marc Kupper|talk 07:26, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Conditionals
These are some notes to myself to play with some of the conditionals
 * {| border=1

--Marc Kupper|talk 14:59, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * !     || Used to encode "&#124;" within template and parser function parameters such as to generate tables.
 * Ifdef ||   - if value is not empty then return result.
 * Ifndef ||  - if value is empty then return result.
 * Qif   ||   - if value is not empty then return result1 otherwise return result2. The else part is optional.
 * Switch || Switch statement.
 * Booleq ||  - If value1 is the same as value2 then return 1 otherwise return nothing.
 * }
 * Qif   ||   - if value is not empty then return result1 otherwise return result2. The else part is optional.
 * Switch || Switch statement.
 * Booleq ||  - If value1 is the same as value2 then return 1 otherwise return nothing.
 * }
 * Booleq ||  - If value1 is the same as value2 then return 1 otherwise return nothing.
 * }
 * }


 * FYI, there are others available on Wikipedia that I didn't copy here, and i haven't tested all of the above. Some of them are in use, check what-links-here for each to see where. -DES Talk 15:08, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Soviet SF
Mark, you left a note with the entry about the 1962 Collier edition of Asimov's SOVIET SCIENCE FICTION about a later printing. I added page numbers to this entry and a note about a different printing with different colors used on the cover. Is this the 1964 printing to which you refer?Don Erikson 21:31, 17 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I need to dig into why I added the note. I have  which is the 4th printing in 1966 and believe I'd want to do a page-by-page comparison. --Marc Kupper|talk 07:32, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Science Fiction Century
I have a copy of which does not have a price printed on it, that otherwise appears to match your verified copy. This might be the answer to what a 'co-publication' means, as the copyright page has a full numberline, etc. If your dust jacket has a price in the usual location then I have a BOMC/BCE copy. Could you check when next you get a chance? - Thanks Kevin 01:11, 19 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd need to do some digging to get that one in my hands but am pretty sure the price is on the front flap otherwise I would have added a note explaining where I found it. I see that has an Amazon Look Inside which shows the retail edition with the price on the flap and so I added a note to the verified publication record about this. --Marc Kupper|talk 01:22, 19 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Good enough for me... confirms that I've got a hardcover BOMC edition that isn't listed at Locus. Based on the Co-Publication line, I'm gonna date it at the same time as the trade HC with a note. Thanks! Kevin 03:27, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Mildred Clingerman and agents
I have frequently seen on copyright pages notices of the form "Written by X; Reprinted by permission of Y" where it was clear that Y was an agent, rahte than that X was a pesud of Y. In particular when Y was "Scott Meredith" or "Pohl". I think it is unsafe to conclude merely from such a notice that a pesud relationship has been disclosed. -DES Talk 14:47, 19 July 2009 (UTC)


 * True and so I rewrote the Clingerman note. I need to get back to that particular project and to clean up the remaining pages but am concentrating on dealing with some easier to deal with books for a while. That anthology has fifty stories and more than half of them turn out to have X and Y stuff.


 * BTW - do you know of any decent, and free, OCR software? More specifically, something that'll work on Windows 2000 but I can speak XP if needed. To speed up dealing with Fifty Short Stories I took photos of the acknowledgment pages and it'd be great if I could OCR the pages and then the project, after wikifying, is to verify that the OCR was accurate. --Marc Kupper|talk 00:00, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I have some OCR software that I bought used. Not free, but low-cost, adn i can make a copy of the installation disk if you want. Since the manufaturer no longer sells this version, and you wouldn't be a customer for a new, full-price version anyway, I see no harm in such a technical copyright violation. I got it for use on Project Gutenbeg/Distributed proofreaders, adn it is good enough for both text and illos there. -DES Talk 00:17, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Ancient My Enemy [2]
Added notes to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 16:50, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

StarMother by Van Scyoc
I've updated your verified copy of this title, adding the price and month of publication, based on info from the SFBC announcement flyer. MHHutchins 23:54, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * --Marc Kupper|talk 07:36, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

The Worlds of Science Fiction --   deleted a REM title
Morning!. This. . I second verified you and did a Tuck confirmation also. I submitted a del for the 'rem' Heinlein title you corrected. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:39, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * --Marc Kupper|talk 07:38, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Alpha Two
Scanned in an image and added some notes for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 02:37, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Shatter Zone
Added wrap around cover art to. Also wondering about the publisher credit.. .seems to me it should be 'Gold Eagle / Worldwide' or something similar. Thoughts? - Thanks Kevin 01:33, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Hunter of Worlds
Scanned in a cover image, added the interior art and slightly expanded the notes for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 15:09, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks - as it is, I never marked it as verified in my DB. --Marc Kupper|talk 21:31, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

The Nine Billion Names of God 5th printing - difference
Morning! This. . I have the same printing and everything matches except I have "Encounter at Dawn", not "Encounter in the Dawn" as does the 11th printing. Please check. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:19, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Good eye. This will take a while to check as the book is mis-filed. I've changed the name to "Encounter at Dawn" and I'll park this in the queue to re-check when my copy resurfaces. --Marc Kupper|talk 21:24, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


 * --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Tactics of Mistake -- cover image
I added this image to your verified. Discovered it while looking for the cover of a different edition. It has the same catalogue number and price as cited in the entry. --MartyD 10:43, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I have put it on hold until Marc gets a chance to check the cover. Ahasuerus 17:18, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks - I had the book right on my desk. :-) Update approved. The reason for the OCLC note is that the catalog # is on the cover, ISBN is on the spine, and there is no barcode. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:10, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

The Overlords of War -- Cover image
On the amazon cover image link was broken. I found a working link based on the notes you left. I copied the image at that link, uploaded it to the wiki, and linked it to the pub record. Please double check that this is the correct cover. -DES Talk 21:59, 8 September 2009 (UTC)


 * --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Kiernan story in Mammoth Book of Best New Horror, Volume Twelve
I had a submission that wanted to make variants of two slightly different titles of Caitlin R. Kiernan's story in this anthology. Can you check your verified copy of this book to see how the story is titled? (It originally didn't have the parenthetical phrase or was spelled "Waterworks". I can't recall which.)  I merged all of the titles under this one because it matched OCLC records. Locus1 gives the year in the title as "1988" which doesn't match any OCLC records so I'm pretty sure they're wrong. Thanks. MHHutchins 05:26, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


 * My book has In the Water Works (Birmingham, Alabama 1888) on the copyright, table of contents, and story title page. The page headers use In the Water Works. I double checked that the publication uses "Water Works" and not "Waterworks" and that it's 1888. --Marc Kupper|talk 08:54, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Grant story in The Giant Book of Best New Horror
Can you check to see if "One Life in an Hourglass" in this anthology may have a comma in the title? I'm holding a submission which wants to make it a variant of the record that does have a comma, and I wanted to be sure before I accepted it. Thanks. MHHutchins 23:40, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks like that one is misplaced. I remember pulling it out to look something up meaning it must be in the room... I approved the VT. I suspect my copy has the comma and if so, I'll merge it back. Fortunately, it seems the story only appeared in the anthology I have meaning the merge-back will be straightforward. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:57, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Added cover credit
I added cover credit for verified from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.Don Erikson 05:41, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Destiny's Road
Added a note about artist credits to [this] and scanned in a cover image to replace the ZZZZZZZZZ one. ~Bill, --Bluesman 04:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

ACE Dbl d-381
Added second artist courtesy ACE Image Library (with note) to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:18, 25 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Approved as part of other arcane manipulations; please note that Emsh's name has been expanded to "Ed Emshwiller". Ahasuerus 04:04, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "Arcane Manipulations"?¿?¿ Didn't know I could do those.... ;-) ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:44, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The Gentle Giants of Ganymede - added cover/notation
Afternoon! This. . I added a cover image,, and notation. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 19:48, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Three Against the Witch World
Scanned in anew image and added notes to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:41, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The Overlords of War - Artist uncredited?
Morning! This. . I seem to have the same copy, but my copyright page has "Cover art by Karel Thole" and the illustration opposite the title page has "Jg" at bottom right. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:49, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The Gods Themselves -- cover image
I added this image to your transient-verified, matching my copy of the same edition. --MartyD 17:25, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The Day of the Klesh - added notation/contents
Morning! This. . I added notation and a contents entry for interior art after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:56, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

A Science Fiction Argosy
You have a secondary verification of this pub. My copy has The Cure is by Kuttner and Moore rather than Padgett. Apology To Inky is by Robert M. Green, Jr. rather than Green with no Jr.--swfritter 16:53, 27 September 2009 (UTC)


 * --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Hunter of Worlds
I added to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 21:03, 29 September 2009 (UTC)


 * --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Elric Covers
I added a cover scan to your verified pub. Thanks. ~Ron --Rtrace 12:23, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * also --Rtrace 12:27, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * and --Rtrace 12:34, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Genius Unlimited
Added the month of publication (from Jaffery's Retrospective) and an artist note to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:28, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Dates of "The Road to the Sea" and "Bokko-Chan" in The Best Japanese Science Fiction Stories
In your verified the date of The Road to the Sea is listed as 1989. Locus cites it as 1981 from from which we have 95258 with Judith Merrill and Tetsu Yano as translators, both of whom are also cited as the translators in the Locus entry. Does your pub agree with the information from Locus, or is there perhaps a different translation than the 1981 one at work? --MartyD 16:17, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Similar question, another title: In the same pub is also Bokko-Chan, dated 1989. Locus cites it as translated by Saito and published in the June 1963, from which we have 74564. But this one doesn't say anything about the translator on the earlier title. Thanks. --MartyD 21:53, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

The Light that Never Was
I added to this verified pub to replace a broken Amazon link. Thanks, Willem H. 15:21, 7 October 2009 (UTC)


 * --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Dinotopia Lost
I added to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 18:59, 7 October 2009 (UTC)


 * --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Kurtz's The Quest for Saint Camber
Can you double-check the ID number printed on the back of the dustjacket of this SFBC edition? It's possible that the number here came from the original record based on the listing in Locus1. Considering they were only using 5-digit numbers in 1987, there's a chance the last digit is incorrect. Thanks. MHHutchins 19:39, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Beanstalk
Scanned in a new image and expanded the notes slightly for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:59, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Shock Wave/Envoy to the Dog Star
Changed a note that read: "The frontispieces for both titles have interior art that is uncredited and unsigned" to "The frontispieces for both titles are uncredited and unsigned". Got the drift of the original but it just didn't read right. [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:39, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Vertigo   -    added a cover image/ start page number
Morning! This. . I added a cover image,, and start page number after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:32, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

The Ragged Astronauts -  added cover image
Morning! This. . I added a cover image,, after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:41, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Expedition to Earth
Added "About Arthur C. Clarke" to this pub.--swfritter 16:19, 15 October 2009 (UTC)


 * --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

The Shattered Chain
I added to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 09:38, 16 October 2009 (UTC)


 * --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Brother Assassin
Scanned in a cover image for [this] and added an artist note. ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:03, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: Non-SF Cleanup 2004
Hi Marc, I've reviewed all of 2004 and anything linked to these titles, can you run a new search and see what the numbers for 2004 & 2005 look like now and if 2005 still looks high can you create a list for that year? As for what's left in 2004 most are related to graphic novel authors and this issue is still unresolved. Thanks! SeanKraang 01:53, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Night Walk
FYI the link in the notes [original painting] for [this] no longer goes anywhere. Checked the website link and it works but the image no longer seems to be there. ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:58, 19 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you Bill. I e-mailed his son and hopefully they will put it back up. --Marc Kupper|talk 18:45, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Shadow of Heaven
Scanned in a cover for [this], unfortunately my copy is pretty worn. Maybe your's is better?? ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:55, 19 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I have two copies (or rather, had one, lost it somewhere in the house, and got another...) and will see if I can dig it/them out this weekend. --Marc Kupper|talk 18:46, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Two-Timers
Scanned in an image and added notes to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:29, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Date of "Coming Home" in The Mammoth Book of Best New Horror: Volume Twelve
I submitted a change of the publication date from 1999 to 2000 on Coming Home in your verified. had been incorrectly entered with 1999, which propagated to all of the titles that originally came from it. OCLC and Locus agree on the 2000 for that pub, and I have already changed that. --MartyD 10:08, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Ironcastle
I added to this verified pub to replace this Amazon link. Thanks, Willem H. 20:55, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


 * --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Earthman's Burden
I added to this verified pub to replace this Amazon link. Thanks, Willem H. 18:54, 29 October 2009 (UTC)


 * --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Added gutter code
I added a reprint gutter code to your verified .Don Erikson 22:09, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Added gutter code
I added a gutter code to a probable reprint of your verified. I just noticed I have a copy with the other code so this is a reprint.Don Erikson 03:24, 1 November 2009 (UTC)


 * ...and I deleted "#None" from the Catalog ID field. Ahasuerus 03:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Reel Future
Notes for [this] Source of the info is Locus1, which I added in [brackets]. You may want to re-do them or leave as is. Also added one missing page number, same source. ~Bill, --Bluesman 04:22, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Date of "Road to the Sea" in The Best Japanese Science Fiction Stories
Sorry, I should have asked before submitting this. I haven't had my coffee yet. I submitted a merge affecting the date of "Road to the Sea" in your verified, changing it from 1989 to 1981. We have the 1981 record from, and its notes cite Judith Merrill with Tetsu Yano as the translators. The Locus content list for your pub cites those same two translators and that pub for this story. --MartyD 12:08, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Now I really know I haven't had my coffee.... I did ask before and now have failed to wait for an answer for half of that question. :-(  --MartyD 12:14, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Added gutter code
I added the gutter code to your verified .Don Erikson 20:16, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Earth's Last Fortress/Lost in Space
New cover image[s], added both artists courtesy ACE Image Library for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 04:20, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Mindblocked Man
Scanned in a new image and added corroboration about the date to the notes, sources the CDN printing and Jaffery's Retrospective for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:20, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Wollheim's Best
Saw you were on earlier today. Could you have a look at [this submission?] Think it should be a new pub, doubt you'd have missed noting a later printing. ~Bill, --Bluesman 04:32, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Approved for now. The edit added pages: 280, Artists: Bernal, Notes: Stated 4th printing as per number line. DAW# 240. Catalog #UE1788. --Marc Kupper|talk 03:53, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

ACE Dbl F-129
Changed the date of publication for [The Automated goliath/The Three Suns of Amara] Second printing of Three Suns has the date on the copyright page. ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:24, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Earth Factor X
New image and expanded notes for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:54, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Blood of Amber broken link
Morning! This. . I just 2nded your ver, but in looking for a link replacement I found, which you added to Amazon for the third printing. Since it is yours, I decided to tell you the 1st printing link is bust. I did not see a difference, but maybe you have. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:31, 28 November 2009 (UTC)


 * (1st) (3rd) --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Lord's Pink Ocean
New image and slightly expanded notes for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:51, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Bow Down to Nul/Dark Destroyers
New image and cover artists, both from the ACE Image Library) for [this]. ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:48, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Sand Wars #6 Challenge Met -   added cover image/notation on artist
Afternoon! This. . I added a cover image,, and notation on cover artist. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:34, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Logan's World
Identified the cover artist (Mitchell Hooks) and added a note to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 19:26, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Farmer in the Sky --   adds
Morning! Apologies. This. . I corrected the date to show the same date as the notes, then did a mind blitch and added the same cover as the seventh printing which is supposed to be the same also adding the artist as noted in notation. Please check and correct my presumptions. I know I could cancel, but I know the date is correct. What a Yetch. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:47, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

The Light that Never Was
Added some notes to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:12, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Touch of Strange
Scanned in a new image and added a couple of notes to [this] The copy I just bought had two dustjackets, the top one a little sun-faded. Does yours have a jacket? ~Bill, --Bluesman 15:00, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

As the Curtain Falls
Scanned in an image and added interior art with note to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 04:30, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Castaways of Tanagar
Just entered the CDN edition of [this] and assume the interior art is the same (cover is the same). About an inch+ up from the bottom left corner are Gaughan's "JG" initials. Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:28, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Bodelan Way
Scanned an image, added the interior art with notes to [] ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:20, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

City Machine
New image, interior art and notes for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:31, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

cover for Daughter of Regals
I added this image to your verified. --MartyD 12:29, 22 January 2010 (UTC)


 * --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Karel Čapek
I am trying to recreate Bug 2938454, "Unicode in author names", and I am not having much luck. There is no canonical name for "Karel Čapek", only a legal name for "Čapek, Karel". I wonder if the spelling of the canonical name may have been changed since the bug report was created?

On a more elevated plane, I was surprised that Advanced Search worked since the database is currently Latin-1 encoded and Unicode won't work reliably until we upgrade to UTF-8. Unfortunately, it's apparently easier said than done... Ahasuerus 00:36, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree - easier said than done to fix this one. However, I believe the quick fix is only in one spot. At se.py line 282 you pick up AUTHOR_CANONICAL, translate space to _, and then just write it out. The 'author' variable contains "Karel_&amp;#268;apek". It turns out that you we get away with encoding Unicode as HTML on the URL as that's how we encode these in the database. This it's just a straight mapping of things like &amp; # ; etc. into their % codes.  Click on http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Karel_%26%23268%3Bapek.


 * That'll fix searching for Karel Čapek but we should do a better job in ae.cgi. Specifically, the UTF-8 encoding of pure 21-bit Unicode values should work too.  At present http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Karel_%C4%8Capek fails. We will get this encoding when sites such as Wikipedia link to us. To handle this we will need to scan AUTHOR_CANONICAL and if we come across a %xx series that is valid UTF-8 then decode the resulting Unicode character and look to see if it's valid ISO-8859-1. If so we use the 8-bit value literally. If not, then re-encode that as an HTML escaped character. The Unicode code point for Č is 268 meaning we convert that to &amp;#268;. If someone put %C3%A9 in an author name on the URL then we decode that to 233, see that it's valid ISO-8859-1, and will have an "é" in our author name.


 * Do you have a UTF-8 validator coded in Python? If not, I can likely write up the code in C with enough comments that you'll see what I'm doing. If you hit %xx values that turn out to not be valid UTF-8 then interpret them as ISO-8859-1 values. You already do the ISO-8859-1 interpretation by doing nothing. :-)


 * I added for testing Bug 2938454 which is why Karel Čapek is in the database now. Once support for Č works I was planning to notify the verifiers for the publications listed on Author:Karel Capek. I believe all of Karel Čapek's books used "Čapek" except for the Bantam edition of War With the Newts which uses Capek and an Albanian short story collection, Tregime të zgjedhura, which uses &#199;apek. ( My fingers would hurt if I try to type in the title and so see this).  FWIW, I'm certain that all of 's books use Čapek (he's Karel's brother). --Marc Kupper|talk 07:28, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Update - I just realized that another reason for adding the UTF-8 support is that it will allow to work. Note that at present the template a is coded using anchorencode which converts to Karel_.C4.8Capek. That was the wrong string function. anchorencode allows people to construct URLs to mediawiki sites and where the link URL is to a section of a page. You 'anchorencode' the section name. I don't know if the anchorencode in a was by design but once UTF-8 support is added to ae.cgi we can change it to 'urlencode' and that'll generate Karel_%C4%8Capek. --Marc Kupper|talk 08:34, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


 * If my understanding is correct, the core problem is that our MySQl tables are using Latin-1 and the standard Swedish (sic) collation sequence instead of UTF-8. We will need to convert all tables to UTF-8 before we can address any other problems and that, as experience shows, is not easy. Besides, we would need to run it by Al and see what he says first. He spent a fair amount of time fighting Unicode in 2005-2008 and he may have valuable ideas to share. Ahasuerus 03:37, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


 * We should be fine with Latin-1. Unicode data is already in the database using &amp;#1234; encoding. As long as we are consistent with that we're ok other than the collation sequence. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:57, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks -- I saw Al doing something funky with Unicode at one point, but I haven't looked into the details, so I don't fully understand what our limitations are. Ahasuerus 19:52, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


 * The O'Reilly guy did the conversion all at once and that was painful. I'm more a fan of incremental changes. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:57, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I am all for incremental changes, I just need to understand what the limitations of the current design are :) Ahasuerus 19:52, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


 * The quick-search issue should get fixed anyway as we are not url-encoding the author name at all. I also realized that rather than a UTF-validator it'll be easier to code a decoder as long as it's one that just passes invalid data "as-is".


 * An upcoming mini project is to to come playing around with UTF-8 and iso-8859-1 pages as I want to better understand how FireFox and IE process input data and send it to the server during a POST. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:57, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Door Through Space/Rendezvous on a Lost World
Found "EMSH" on the cover of the Bradley side of [this] on the bracelet. Adjusted the notes. ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:13, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Islands
Found Vincent Di Fate's signature on the cover of this verified pub. Submitted the edit and adapted the notes. Thanks, Willem H. 20:17, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Camelot in Orbit
Added cover and notes to. BLongley 19:48, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Ole Doc Methuselah
Added page numbers, Intro, Foreword and cover to Dana Carson 21:32, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Bow Down to Nul/The Dark Destroyers
Found EMSH on the Aldiss cover of [this], amended the notes and scanned in cover images. ~Bill, --Bluesman 04:34, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Brain wave
Added cover to Brain waveHauck 15:57, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

The dark side of the Earth
Added cover to your verified here. Hauck 17:34, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

The star dwellers
Replaced amazon cover on your verified here. Hauck 13:21, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


 * --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

The Hounds of Skaith
Added a cover scan for your verified here. Hauck 18:37, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


 * --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

The dreaming earth
Replaced amazon cover scan for your verified here. Hauck 20:20, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

On the symb_socket circuit
Replaced amazon cover scan for your verified here, to me it seems also typical Freas artwork. Hauck 14:19, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


 * --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Mars
Uploaded scan on your verified here. Hauck 17:40, 13 March 2010 (UTC)


 * --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

The Way Back
Uploaded scan and changed data on your verified here. Hauck 12:53, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Attack from Atlantis
Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here. Hauck 13:59, 28 March 2010 (UTC)


 * --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

The Book of the Ler
Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here and for The Transformer Trilogy. Hervé Hauck 10:34, 5 April 2010 (UTC)


 * and (The Transformer Trilogy)  --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Cosmic crusaders
Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here. Hauck 16:50, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Cherryh's Hunter of Worlds
According to Locus #237 (September 1980), this printing was published in August 1980. Mhhutchins 17:33, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Terminal Velocity
Added a nice image, and month [Locus] to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:02, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Wreath of Stars
Added an image [not of great quality...] to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:27, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Other Dimensions
Added the price [Locus1] to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:50, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Great Tales of Fantasy and Imagination
Added the contents to. Once that edit is approved, I will also be adding the cover art. --JLaTondre 13:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you. That book is seriously buried at the moment and so when it resurfaces I'll re-check. --Marc Kupper|talk 18:59, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Mind over ship
Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here. Hauck 15:32, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * -note to self - pub ID MNDVRSHPXF2009 --Marc Kupper|talk 07:04, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

The Swarm by Arhtur Herzog J6351
Added note indicating the the LCCCN as list is incorrect and gave the correct number referencing the Library of Congress for the source. --Astromath 23:38, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * --Marc Kupper|talk 21:51, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Fugitive in Transit
I did a minor correction to in that I changed the note "Cover artist not credited in book. Signature not found." to "Cover artist credit stated on the copyright page. Signature not found." --Marc Kupper|talk 07:08, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry changes did not occur. No problem with them though. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:17, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Great Tales of Fantasy and Imagination
Added the contents to. Once that edit is approved, I will also be adding the cover art. --JLaTondre 13:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you. That book is seriously buried at the moment and so when it resurfaces I'll re-check. --Marc Kupper|talk 18:59, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Heritage of Hastur
Scanned in a new image, added interior art, and expanded the notes for [this]. Not having read any of the Darkover books, I made a guess as to the map 'signature' being a character. A minor re-edit if that's not the case. ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:23, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Shattered Chain
Expanded the notes, added interior art for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:39, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Gameplayers of Zan
New image, expanded notes, and added interior art to [this] ~Bill,

Emissary to the Stars
Added the artist credit and a new image to [this] both courtesy of a website that Willem found. Link is in the notes. ~Bill, --Bluesman 15:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

The Last Day
I need to rescan and upload the image for. --Marc Kupper|talk 05:10, 21 June 2010 (UTC)