User talk:Willem H./Archive/03

Anthony's Juxtaposition
You can take over the Primary 1 verification of this pub. My copy is actually a third printing. I'm going over my early verifications and have discovered several that are reprintings. Back then, printings on hardcover editions weren't something I considered. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:25, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. I probably made the same mistake once or twice. Willem H. 17:27, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Would you check to see if the map of Phaze by Chris Barbieri is the same as that used in Split Infinity? I've added a record of it to the record of my printing of Juxtaposition and thought if it's the same, we should merge it with the other record.  Also check to see if there's a map in Blue Adept.  That record currently doesn't show it.  Thanks in advance. Mhhutchins 17:36, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, what a mess. The good news is, the map is in Blue Adept, the bad news is, they're all different, even though they're all by Chris Barbieri. I'll revisit the books, and add notes, maps and whatever else I forgot/didn't know then. Thanks, Willem H. 20:03, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll leave it up to you to merge the records or create new ones. I only have one book in the series. If they're all different I guess I should change the title of mine to the book title instead of simply "Phaze".  Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:14, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

De Lint's Little (Grrl) Lost
Can you verify that the publisher stated in this pub record is correct? I'm trying to determine whether Viking has an imprint for young readers or if "Viking Juvenile" was used in marketing only. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:12, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably just marketing. It's Viking on spine, title page and copyright page. Willem H. 20:17, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Yours was the only verified pub with this publisher. I've checked most of the rest on OCLC and they're all coming up as simply Viking as well.  I'll go ahead and do a mass change for the publisher record.  Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:01, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Berserker: Blue Death
With a price of $6.95 and the note, should the format of [this] be a TP? ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:18, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Eyes aren't what they used to be. Humbly submitted the tp change. Willem H. 20:20, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Three Hail Marys should suffice!! ;-) ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:22, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Luckily I got blessings from the pope when he passed. Willem H. 20:26, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Notes in Dreadful Sanctuary
I notice you left the " [Currey] " attribution on the '"Published in Great Britain in 1972" on copyright page.' comment in. Perhaps the verification copy lets you decide whether that is true? :-) --MartyD 10:46, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, forgot to delete Currey. Second submission is underway. Thanks, Willem H. 10:50, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

The Witches of Karres
About the note placed in this pub: should it be "Rill" or "Bill" Ronalds? Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:57, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Cought me again. Correction submitted. Thanks, --Willem H. 20:11, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Yurth Burden
Is the cover for [this]really by Gaughan? It just doesn't look like his work. He died a month after the first DAW printing with this cover came out in '85. Of course he could have done it months before. Just curious. Thanks! ~BIll, --Bluesman 22:54, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Its credited to Gaughan on the copyright page, but that could be a leftover from the first three printings (with a different illustration) of course. There's no signature visible on the cover. What to do? --Willem 20:26, 18 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Tell them to change their name to ACE???? Seen so many bogus art credits lately... those I have I just make a note that the image is most likely by someone else. A couple of times I've removed the credit and just put it in the notes. Not much we can do until all the old artists' work gets collected. There's always a few AHAs!!!! from those. Thanks for looking. ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:19, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Free Zone
Should the artist for [this] be spelled with two 'l's? ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:59, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes he should be, but there's only one 'l' on the copyright page. Perhaps Avon thought two 'd's was enough, and deleted the second 'l'. What do you think, an obvious mistake by the publisher, to be reflected in the notes (my preference) or a new pseudonym for Gary Ruddell (we already have a Garry Ruddell)? --Willem 20:22, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Personally, I really don't like pseudos for artists. Creating them over obvious typos...... Your call! ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:34, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Submitted an extra 'l' plus note. Good spot by the way. Thanks, --Willem 20:51, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Enchantment
Approved [this] Note says "Price from LCCN"? Did you mean Locus? I didn't think the LOC showed prices. ~Bill,--Bluesman 20:53, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I was surprised by this. First time I saw a price in a Library of Congress record, and with no easy Locus verification I made a note of it. --Willem 21:00, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I found the listing on Locus, which is why I asked. ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:26, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I should have known, Locus starts in 1984. So, my memory is fading as well :-) Better enter the rest of my collection quickly. Only 2000 to go (and the Dutch collection, and the rest... sigh) --Willem 21:32, 23 March 2010 (UTC)


 * The catalog of the Library of Congress does have a place to capture prices, but it's inconsistent and for the most part limited to non-fiction, which is why we rarely run into them. Ahasuerus 21:12, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

King of Argent
Just added the interior art to my Canadian edition of [this]. I assume the US edition has the same piece? ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:02, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You're right. Added the art, copied the note and notified Bill Longley. Thanks, --Willem 21:05, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Perfect Lover
Found Bachinsky's signature on [this] bottom right and expanded the notes slightly. ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:13, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * More proof. Thanks for this. --Willem 19:44, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Introduction in Equality: In the Year 2000
I removed the brackets from " [bp] " on the introduction you added to. My reading of the Help:Screen:EditPub is that the brackets are only used around numbers that are not printed in the publication -- the "special locations" do not need brackets. Feel free to disagree! --MartyD 10:14, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Amazing, how you can do the wrong things on automatic pilot. Thanks for reminding me to think before I act. --Willem 10:29, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Blue Face
Please have a quick look at [this] discussion. I've dropped a not on Harry's page and will also put one on Ron's. Thanks! ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:20, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I have the US edition, so I'll move my verification to the record you just created. Didn't realize then that there were differences other than the "printed in U.S.A." or "printed in Canada" statement. I'll submit one little edit, about the copyright statement. Both editions state "Copyright © 1971 by G. C. Edmondson". Thanks for this. --Willem 17:57, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for catching that Copyright mistake on my part and fixing my HTML. The first four DAWS are even stranger as they were printed on both sides of the border by DAW. The US ones got no statement, the Canadian ones "Second Printing", even though published simultaneously. Enough to give a country a complex!!! ;-) ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:12, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * US/Canadian differences have been a headache for first edition collectors for a long time. Sometimes the difference between the US version and the Canadian version is almost unnoticeable, but one is a "first printing/first edition" and the other one is not, so the price can differ significantly. Ahasuerus 20:21, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Rucker's White Light
According to Locus #238 (October 1980), this edition was published in September 1980. Mhhutchins 22:13, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Another mystery solved. Change submitted. Thanks, --Willem 05:20, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Benford's Jupiter Project
According to Locus #239 (November 1980), this edition was revised from the 1975 first edition published by Thomas Nelson. Is there any mention in the book itself that this one is revised? Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:30, 22 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Locus is right. From the copyright page: An early version of this novel was serialized in Amazing Science Fiction, Sept.-Nov., 1972. This is a revised and expanded edition, incorporating information from recent explorations of the Jupiter system.
 * Revised edition copyright ©1980 by Gregory Benford
 * I added this statement to the pub's notes. Thanks, --Willem H. 06:07, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

SFBC (UK)
Publication date for [Aliens for Neighbours] probably came from [here]. Same site gives four artists for all the books up to #170. 1-54: CW Bacon; 55-110: John Griffiths; 111-116: Tim Newling; 117-170: Terry James. ~Bill, --Bluesman 15:34, 23 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Another site for my ever growing list of references. Added the artist and adapted the notes. --Willem H. 18:41, 23 April 2010 (UTC)


 * At least this is a FINITE site, no new books! Wish they had more images, though. ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:43, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

George F. Jewsbury
Just a note that I approved the addition of the legal name and the Wikipedia link, but keep in mind that legal names use the "Last name, First name" format to make it clear whether "B" is a middle name or a part of the last name in names like "A B C". Ahasuerus 02:44, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You're right. I know, must have slipped my mind. Thanks, --Willem H. 08:04, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Do you think you're ready to be a Moderator?
I find it difficult to moderate your submissions, as you obviously know far more than me about non-English titles. But the English work looks good, and I've asked for feedback on your non-English submissions, so the other question is do you think you're ready to at least self-moderate your uncontroversial submissions? BLongley 18:53, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * It would be an honor. I will keep asking questions every now and then though. --Willem H. 19:11, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Questions are always good! :) Ahasuerus 20:04, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * You get my vote! As long as the repaired ticker can stand up to a Fixer onslaught!! ;-) ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:50, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


 * It looks like we're dithering about who knows you best to nominate you. Would you care to give us some more details about your qualifications? Understanding Perry Rhodan is enough for me, but I don't know which languages you're fluent in, where you are based, etc. Not that I knew that about half the other moderators before they were appointed, but more info always helps. BLongley 22:38, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, since Willem once said that he lives in the Netherlands, there is a good chance that that's where he is based too :-) As far as languages go, English, Dutch and German are a given, but you never know what hidden talents our contributors may possess! :) Ahasuerus 03:16, 28 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I should have filled my user page long ago, but with the heart problems last year, working on my collection and resuming work since september (still not full time, energy levels are low most of the time) I never got around to it. Yes, I live in the Netherlands (a small town in the northern part), I can speak Dutch, English and German, read French and if I concentrate enough I understand some Italian and Portugese. I'm a maniac when it comes to bibliographies. I've been collecting SF since the late 1960's, the novel/collection/anthology collection is now around 6000 English language books, 2000 Dutch and some in other languages (German, French, Portugese, Italian, Chech etc), most of the Dutch magazines and several hundred art/reference books. So far most of my ISFDB time has gone to verifying the English language collection (and adapting my own Access database), scanning covers and identifying artists, and learning the ins and outs of the database/wiki. Enough for now? --Willem H. 06:23, 28 April 2010 (UTC)


 * French, Italian and Portuguese? See, I was right about "hidden talents" after all! :) Ahasuerus 13:24, 28 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Definitely more qualified than me... OK, I've started the ball rolling. BLongley 18:34, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Other Log of Phileas Fogg
I am curious if you have the US edition of [this] and if so what kind of printing 'line' it has, whether none/numbers or the short lived "First printing ... Tenth Printing". Just added an image and expanded notes to [Time Story] and think it may have been the last DAW to use the latter spelled number line. Thanks! ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:22, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


 * You are (almost) completely right. My copy does have "First printing to Tenth Printing" number line, and is the last to use this. DAW #49, (The Suns of Scorpio is the first to use the regular 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 line. This means I must do three things, move my verification to this pub, notify Dana Carson, and let my friend Rias add a note about the difference between the US and Canadian edition to his website. Thanks for this! --Willem H. 15:19, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I didn't think DAW would change the format in the middle of a month. I'll add a note to the other edition about the US statement. At least from this point on, at least until 1981, the DAWS were the same in both countries [other than the odd price difference] and of course next week I'll find another oddity....... Thanks for looking! ~Bill, --Bluesman 15:36, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Fundamental Disch
Can you check to see if "Minnesota Gothic" is credited to the original pseudonym in this collection? Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Another one of those early verifications. There's no mention at all of "Dobbin Thorpe". I submitted the first change for my pub, the other edition probably has the same credits. I also added some notes, corrected the page count, added notes to some of the essays and changed The Fall of the House of Usher to a poem. Should have done that the first time. I will also notify Dsorgen. Thanks for this! --Willem H. 18:58, 28 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for checking. This was one of those early examples where contents were added that had originally been published under a pseudonym.  It's rare that an author's collection would credit the original pseudonym, but it does happen, so I wanted to make sure before I changed it.  I've corrected the record for the Gollancz reprint because I was the one who cloned the contents from your record.  That's how I noticed the unusual story credit.  I didn't ask Dsorgen as it's been some time (almost two years) since he's responded to any wiki messages, although I see he occasionally adds images. Thanks again. Mhhutchins 20:42, 28 April 2010 (UTC)


 * No trouble at all. As I said, I should have noticed & corrected this when I verified the pub. --Willem H. 20:48, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

What Tune the Enchant... variant
I put this on hold and asked Mhhutchins to confirm the Locus-sourced "Enchantment" entry. Just in case it is actually Enchantress there and these should be merged instead. --MartyD 10:36, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


 * A search on the internet resulted only in "Enchantment", I didn't look in Locus though, will do so when I'm home again. --Willem H. 11:59, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


 * A Book of Wizards ed. Marvin Kaye (SFBC #1208132, May 2008, $15.99, x + 402pp, hc, cover by Donato Giancola) Original anthology of six stories about wizards. Authors include Kim Newman, Holly Phillips, Peter S. Beagle, and Patricia A. McKillip. This has ISBN 978-1-58288-292-5; it lacks a price and has the SFBC number on the back jacket.
 * · Sorcer Conjurer Wizard Witch · Kim Newman · na *
 * · The Day Is Ours · Margaret Weis & Robert Krammes · na *
 * · Proving the Role · Holly Phillips · na *
 * · My Life As a Swan · Tanith Lee · na *
 * · What Tune the Enchantment Plays · Peter S. Beagle · na *
 * · Knight of the Well · Patricia A. McKillip · na *
 * From the Locus Index, but OCLC has it as "Enchantress". ~Bill, --Bluesman 14:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


 * According to "Joyner Library Catalog", it's "What tune the enchantress plays". Also, the title of the Newman story is "Sorcerer conjurer wizard witch". S.H.A.R.E Libraries Catalog and West Plains Public Library catalog concur. (Just follow the OCLC links.) Ahasuerus 18:25, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


 * So Locus was sloppy, which probably explains the other internet results. I canceled my submission and will merge them instead. Thanks, --Willem H. 18:42, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


 * The Amazon review also has "Enchantment" which is why I was reluctant to merge. Definitely worth a note at title level to ask Primary verifiers to check really, really well - comparing secondary sources gets a bit pointless at times, and you just have to go leave notes. I'd favour "Enchantress" at the moment but won't believe it till someone sees it. BLongley 18:51, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes. I was planning a note about this, but wanted to get the merge done first. I have had clashing edits before. --Willem H. 18:55, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


 * The problem with secondary sources in general and with library catalogs in particular is what is known as "copy cataloging", i.e. one library using another library's catalog to create a record. Once an error is introduced in one catalog, it can spread to dozens of other catalogs within months and then it can be very hard to eradicate.


 * I have approved the merge submission, but we definitely need a primary verification on this one. Perhaps we could ask on rec.arts.sf.written? Ahasuerus 18:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, you could. ;-) We probably should divide up such roles a bit more clearly - I don't do newsgroups any more, but can go check Livejournals easily. But we probably need a "Speaker to Facebook" and "Speaker to Myspace" and maybe even a "Tweeter to Twitter" for some things. I don't want us all to have to do such though - just needs a few volunteers. BLongley 19:09, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


 * It's true that I have been using rec.arts.sf.written for well over 15 years, so I would be well positioned to ask this question, but a few months ago Google began auto-canceling all of my new posts *and* any threads that I may start -- yes, including other folks' follow-ups. (Apparently, I am not the only victim of this bizarre behavior.)


 * Granted, Google has no control over other NNTP servers, but there aren't that many of them left and, besides, so many people use Google for everything these days that we would be limiting the size of the potential audience if I became The Speaker To Usenet. Ahasuerus 19:23, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Enchanted Pilgrimage
I am confused. Your submission has a 0000-00-00 date, but the notes are indicating a Nov.'75 printing [3rd]. Did you clone and not change the notes? There's a '75 printing already with a record.... ¿¿ ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:38, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I cloned the first printing, and the notes should say something like "Third printing of the November'75 Berkley edition". Did I manage to screw that up? The 0000-00-00 is correct. --Willem H. 09:04, 30 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Need new glasses.... I missed the 'of' so it read as "Third Printing November 1975". Approved. ~Bill, --Bluesman 13:34, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

OCLC link "nr" in The Cool War?
Hi. I just approved your edit to. Did you intend to make the OCLC link you introduced be "nr" (as it came out) instead of the OCLC number? If so, why (and what is "nr")? The link seems to be ok. Thanks. --MartyD 10:54, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Forgot to substitute the number for "nr". Looks funny this way, but the link does work. Submitted a correction. Thanks for noticing. --Willem H. 10:58, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Demon in the Skull deletion
Even though Scott Latham is virtually invisible, I'm not comfortable deleting the record. Since both you and I are active we could just get the pub under the correct title and transfer any data/verifications to it. More work but the right thing to do?? Thoughts? ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:04, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Did the unmerge/merge and transferred the image. ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:11, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Easy for a moderator is it :-)? I'll transfer my verification and notes, you should do the same with your verifications. --Willem H. 19:16, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Also canceled the delete submission. --Willem H. 19:19, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You'll soon find out!! Don't let that awesome power go to your head, though! There's still the Mod-Father, and the newbies get watched.... ;-) ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:27, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Damn, foiled again. I'll have to delay my plans for world domination. :-) --Willem H. 19:30, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You have to dream bigger, as in Galactic domination! If I remember correctly, Marty sewed up the world stage long ago. My modest realm is strictly inter-dimensional so you have to hold your head just so, tongue out just so and maybe it's visible.... ‡-)), oh, and 9-d glasses are required as well...  ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:58, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not greedy, one small planet is enough for me. I'll be retiring in just a few hundred years, so I'll let Marty do his thing with the multiverse. 9-d glasses are another thing. Where do you get those?
 * Another thing, are you going to transfer your verifications from this pub to that one, so we can delete the first without stomach pain? --Willem H. 20:07, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Done and deleted.... The 9-d glasses kind of appear on their own after a keg of Guinness! ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:47, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Congrats!!
Modhood!! ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:22, 4 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Indeed! You may want to review Help:Screen:Moderator, especially the last section which covers automated submissions. Fixer is telling me that he is about to unleash The Ultimate Weapons of Mass Distraction (aka Vampire Shaggers) for 2009. Ahasuerus 23:02, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Then I'm going for a v e r y   l o n g  walk...... ~Bill, --Bluesman 02:56, 5 May 2010 (UTC)


 * And I'm avoiding those too - good practice for a new mod, I think. You get to some very "interesting" web-pages at times when you go research the author or series. :-/ BLongley 23:27, 8 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Congratulations and remember to enjoy! Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:50, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Welcome aboard! Don't be too daunted by all the extra options, and feel free to ask for help still. BLongley 20:19, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! Now go find your own planet. ;-)  --MartyD 11:31, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Yamato II
Is the cover artist for Louis or Luis? BLongley 13:06, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Slip of the keyboard I think. I can now correct this myself! Thanks, --Willem H. 13:09, 5 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, one of the great things about mod-hood is that you can correct your own mistakes quietly! :-) BLongley 20:17, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Braided story in a collection
Hi. See User_talk:Jonschaper. I thought you might have some insights from your earlier experience. Thanks. --MartyD 10:09, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

"No Ordinary Christian" by Moorcock
Can you check to see if the story in this collection has the subtitle that was used in this anthology? Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:59, 7 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, no subtitle anywhere in my pub. --Willem H. 21:08, 7 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the fast response. I'll create a variant. Mhhutchins 23:03, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Morrow's The Philosopher's Apprentice
Can you check to see if this pub gives the ISBN-10, -13, or both? Currently, the record gives the ISBN-10 (this can only be seen on the title records page and in searches by ISBN or publisher.) I'm narrowing down when Morrow began using the ISBN-13. Also, I'm trying to determine when William Morrow became an imprint of HarperCollins. I believe it was in 2000, so I'm trying to get those after then to give the publisher as "William Morrow / HarperCollins". Can you see if HarperCollins is stated as the publisher on this book's title page? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 23:10, 12 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Only the ISBN-13 is given (on backcover and copyright page).
 * The publisher is on the title page as William Morrow over An Imprint of HarperCollinsPublishers. I think this is the earliest Morrow pub I own, that has the "Imprint of HarperCollins" statement, but you can check that one yourself (you're the primary verifier). --Willem H. 09:27, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I just changed the publisher of this pub based on the Amazon "Look Inside", before I realized you were a primary verifier of it (knew it wouldn't do any good to ask Scott Latham). Mhhutchins 23:14, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * No harm done, feel free to change the publisher on any of my verifications if that makes things clearer.
 * You might be interested in the pieces Locus did about the HarperCollins - Morrow/Avon merge (Locus #462 (July 1999) page 10, Locus #463 (August 1999) page 10 and Locus #466 (November 1999) page 11), but you probably know more about this than I do. --Willem H. 09:27, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Starship Invincible (book) vs Star Ship Invincible (story)
Morning! . Due to B (G), I have been pursuing some of the stories. I find you and I have the same copy, but I see the title as above. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:54, 18 May 2010 (UTC)


 * You are completely right. I must have missed the difference when verifying, but it's never too late to change things. Does it look better now? Thanks for noticing! --Willem H. 16:52, 18 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Looks great. I think it is normal to miss these occasionally. It was only when looking at the short story in it that it was truly noticeable. The mind often makes connections that are not there. MIke got me on one two days ago. I could not see "The" till it was pointed out. So little by little we get these things right together. LOL Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 18:41, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

The Fury Out of Time
The ISBN 0-8439-0031-8 for this book also belongs to at least 2 other books: 1) Harpoon by Olaf Ruhen and 2) Bullet Barricade by Leslie Ernenwein. --Astromath 18:57, 25 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the info. Leisure didn't do well with ISBN's in those days. I added it to the notes (see here. --Willem H. 19:13, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

The Suns of Scorpio
I have a question about your verified. You reported this as a 1st printing. Can you verify if it uses a number line and if it's printed in the USA? Thanks! --Marc Kupper|talk 07:28, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I think so, will look when I'm home again. --Willem H. 09:51, 31 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Both answers are yes. I believe this is the first DAW with the 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 numberline, UQ1048 uses the spelled number line: "First Printing, Second Printing....Tenth Printing", but you probably know that already. I updated the notes. --Willem H. 15:02, 31 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Perfect. I was checking to see if this was the first DAW USA with the standard number line. The Canadian printings did not start using number lines until late 1973. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:38, 1 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Not true! My UQ1051 has a number line, and is a Canadian printing and was published in April 1973. I see copies of Akers stuff all the time and will try and remember to check a copyright page for the UQ1049. Seems much more likely that the number lines started with the same publication. In the Canadian UQ1048 there isn't one. ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Found a 1st Canadian printing of the Akers book today, and can confirm that it has a number line, so my surmise that both the US and CDN printings started using a number line at the same time seems correct [for the moment... sure there are other DAW oddities out there!] --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:59, 14 June 2010 (UTC)


 * LOL - UQ1050 and UQ1051 are also strange in that they seem to be the only USA 2nd paperback printings DAW did from 1972 to 2000. DAW never did 1st USA printings of those two and so it's no surprise to discover a Canadian 1st. --Marc Kupper|talk 07:34, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll take a look at my copy of UQ1051 tonight, and enter the Dutch original too. --Willem H. 07:39, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Heritage of Hastur
Scanned in a new image, added interior art, and expanded the notes for [this]. Not having read any of the Darkover books, I made a guess as to the map 'signature' being a character. A minor re-edit if that's not the case. ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:09, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the edit. So you finally added some fantasy to your collection? I'll take a look at the book this evening. If I understand this correctly, the map was "a copy by Jack Gaughan of an original work by Thrym Berger". Funny thing is, a google search for "Thrym Berger" only comes up with this page in three languages, so he/she isn't mentioned as a character on any of the Darkover fansites. I'll do some research. --Willem H. 07:31, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I added two nearly pristine DAWs to my collection.... being of the Fantasy persuasion an unfortunate side-bar! ;-) The 'signature' on my copy on the map must be lacking a touch of ink as it sure looks like an 'i' in front of the 'm'. ~Bill,


 * Well, I looked again and again. It's not really clear is it? I do think Thrym makes more sense than Thryim. Thrym was one of the frost giants from Norse mythology. I don't think there was a character in the series called Thrym (or Thryim), but then, I never read the series past the first few novels. I do think Jack Gaughan is the real artist, he did something like this before in Prince of Scorpio. I would suggest a solution like this. Credit the map to "Thrym Berger" as that's the signature, and make Berger a pseudonym of Gaughan. What do you think? --Willem H. 19:42, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Thrym's just fine. Think the pseudonym just a wee bit of a stretch. Not that that isn't done every day, it seems.... my preference would be adequate notes, probably at the title level if the map is indeed in every edition/publication of this title. ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:13, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


 * You have my blessing :-) --Willem H. 20:15, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Feeling a little saintly after your ascension to Modhood?¿? ;-) Redid the note, but will wait to see if you come up with anything else to add to the puzzle before doing anything at title level. ~Bill, --Bluesman 02:26, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Well... I guess so, with the white robe and wings and stuff. I think the notes are perfect now. Perhaps one day someone will come along who actually read the whole Darkover series and has fresh ideas, but for now I will not change anything. Thanks, --Willem H. 08:52, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * You got wings? And I'm still waiting for the magic decoder ring..... and the rookie gets wings..... ;-( ...... ~Bill, very--Bluesman 14:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I thought we all had wings and a harp. They promised you a magic decoder ring? Wanna trade when you get it? --Willem H. 14:12, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * If I had wings I wouldn't have to worry about this bum shoulder! Mhhutchins 06:10, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Clone by Richard Cowper
Re: Clone The ISBN can be derived from the number on the spine to be 0-380-20453-3. This number can be searched for on the net. I leave it to you to verify and edit. --Astromath 02:44, 5 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. The change is made. --Willem H. 05:49, 5 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry to be a buttinski here, but Avon's catalog numbers during this period had nothing to do with their ISBNs. Check out some of the Avon pubs circa 1974, even your own verified pubs, here and here. Another reason to be careful when creating ISBNs based on catalog numbers. It's searchable on the net because someone else made the same mistake.  We shouldn't be perpetuating it.  If a pub's stated ISBN is invalid, place the # sign before it in the ISBN/Catalog# field.  (This stops the generation of the error statement.) Record in the note field that the stated ISBN is invalid.  You can also choose to use the catalog number in the ISBN/Catalog# field, again using the # sign.  You can record the "searchable" ISBN in the notes with HTML links to databases which may be using it (Amazon, OCLC, Abebooks.com, etc.), albeit incorrectly.  This will in turn make the ISFDB record Google searchable for the same (invalid) ISBN. Thanks.  Mhhutchins 06:03, 6 June 2010 (UTC)


 * That makes sense. I made the necessary changes. Thanks for this! --Willem H. 09:02, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Card's Unaccompanied Sonata
According to Locus #242 (March 1981). this pub appeared in January 1981. Mhhutchins 18:19, 10 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Changed the date & added a note. --Willem H. 18:55, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Conan the Freebooter
Changed the artist for [this] from Frazetta to Duillo as the US [Lancer] cover clearly shows the complete signature and is the same artwork. Found a [site] with some exceptional images and have been replacing a few of the Conans, both Lancer and Sphere, possibly up to twelve. Will make a list when I get to the end. --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:15, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Nice site. I'll check the book this evening, to see where Frazetta came from. Thanks, --Willem H. 06:27, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Must have slipped through. Frazetta isn't mentioned in the book, and the signature is clearly from Duillo. I corrected the credits, deleted the old scan and added a note. Thanks, --Willem H. 09:00, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Clarke's Childhood's End
I've placed this printing into the publication series "Del Rey Gold Seal Selection". Mhhutchins 13:05, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Morris's Wind from the Abyss
Can you check the author credit for this pub? I believe that by 1985 Morris had dropped the "E." from her name. Thanks. Mhhutchins 14:58, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * You're right. Only the copyright page has the "E". Made the neccesary changes. Thanks, --Willem H. 19:58, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Vance's Hard-Luck or Hard Luck Diggings
Can you re-check how this book is titled on its title page? Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:08, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Oops.... corrected :-) --Willem H. 20:03, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

There Will Be Time
Added a new image to [this] and found a signature on the cover, just can't quite make it out. About 2cm from the bottom, on the left side, running vertically. Tousaint? --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:07, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Nice scan! Alas, I can't make anything of the signature. :-( --Willem H. 20:13, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

The Night Face
Since you seem to be away, hopefully basking on some beach, I accepted an edit to change the page number of the Miesel essay in [this] from 136 to 137. Checked my later printing and 137 is correct. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:15, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Change is correct. I wasn't basking anywhere. We went to Ireland for a wedding (the Irish know how to party!), and toured a bit around afterwards. Back from Dublin today. --Willem H. 20:19, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Century of the Maninkin
About this pub here you state "◦Printed in the US (not stated)". On my copy there's "printed in the U. S. A." on copyright page, can you check your copy ? Hauck 10:18, 31 July 2010 (UTC)


 * You're absolutely right. Corrected the notes. Thanks, --Willem H. 20:23, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * So, how was Ireland? Did you run into Harry Harrison or Anne McCaffrey? :) Ahasuerus 00:37, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Warriors
I updated to change the publisher from "Tor Books" to "Tor" as the title page has "(Tor logo)" over "A Tom Doherty Associates Book" and the copyright page has "A Tor Book" over "Published by Tom Doherty Associates, LLC". The back flap is "A TOR&reg; HARDCOVER" over "Tom Doherty Associates, LLC". They never use "Tor Books." An option is "Tor / Tom Doherty Associates" though I don't think "Tor" has ever existed outside of Tom Doherty Associates.

I added "(LCCN # is from the copyright page)" to the line with the LCCN link.

I changed the page # for The Scroll from 614 to 619.

I changed the title of “The Mystery Knight” to “The Mystery Knight: A Tale of the Seven Kingdoms” plus added a note about this.

I switched the notes to use bullets as I added three more notes about the author credits on the the copyright page.

It's a pretty cool anthology. I saw your comment about "A blurb on Martin's website claims all stories are original and never published before" and am thinking it may be better to quote the bottom of the front jacket flap which has "Every story in this volume appears here for the first time." That way we don't need to toss in subjectivism such as "claims." --Marc Kupper|talk 23:39, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Misspelled title in Vance's The Narrow Land
Please see my response to the comment you left on this topic. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:42, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Responded there. --Willem H. 10:39, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Janissaries: Clan and Crown - changed artist to Enric
Morning! This. . I changed the artist to Enric on two printings that I had verified using this site Enric Torres-Prat checklist / Paperback Fantasies. I checked cover and agreed with site owner that the original story had the same artist. Please check. Also, he did several other artists. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:42, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree totally. Nice site, if I only had time... added it to my favorites for now. Adapted my pub (and copied some of your notes). Also the trade paperback and changed the credit on the image pages. Thanks! --Willem H. 12:59, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

The Snow Queen part of Quantum series?
Can you verify that this is indicated as being part of the Quantum series. I have the book club edition and there's no mention of Quantum either on the cover or the book itself. Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:07, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Indication is on the copyright page (A Quantum Novel published by the Dial Press). I've added a note to the pub. This was one of the last Quantum books (Unaccompanied Sonata was the last, added a note there too). A David Gerrold title was announced, but never published, and I don't think the international publishing venture went beyond the first four (the dutch editions stopped there). --Willem H. 06:40, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Best SF Two
Can you have a look at your copy of this pub here ? My copy is also a third impression as stated on copyright page but seems to date from 1964 (mcmlxiv on the same page) and is priced at 6/6 rear of front cover which doesn't match with yours. Hauck 14:44, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Strange. I uploaded the copyright page from my pub here, so you can compare the two. Yours is probably a fourth printing, stated to be the third. Mine is definitely from 1962, and priced at 6/- (or as stated 6s net). Yours seems different, so I think both should be in the database. --Willem H. 15:50, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The copyright page of my copy is quite the same except that your second printing was dropped and your third priniting is presented as second one. I'll make a new pub. Hauck 16:46, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Dandelion Wine excerpt in The Vintage Bradbury
I'm wondering whether the title record "Dandelion Wine (Excerpt)" on page 197 in this collection is a separate story or if it represents the following four stories which have individual records. Thanks. Mhhutchins 14:33, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Good catch! I probably meant to delete the excerpt (it has no text, only indicates that the 4 stories are part of the "Dandelion Wine" sequence, the copyright page has the individual stories) and forgot to do so. Repaired. Thanks, --Willem H. 15:53, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Forty Signs of Rain
Added OCLC number to [Forty Signs of Rain]. US edition lists Dominic Forbes and Tom Hallman for jacket art and design, but there is a slight difference in the city skyline at the bottom; not sure the Dominic Harman attribution is correct. Albinoflea 12:02, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Moved this from the "Changes to Verified Pubs" page. The covers do look alike, but I'm far from convinced they are the same. Found no proof either way (google search, Harman's website). I added a note to the pub about the possibility that the cover is Forbe's, but left Dominic Harman for now as artist. Thanks, --Willem H. 15:47, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

The Catalyst
Added a Canadian version of [this] and think Michael Whelan's 'signature' is on the cover, directly right of the man's rear end. It's actually quite a bit clearer on the back cover. See what you think. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:54, 19 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Good catch! The man knows how to hide his signature. --Willem H. 19:25, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

10,000!!!
What took you so long? ;-) --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:55, 19 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Work, vacation, family, other hobbies, etc. Amazing how little time is left for interesting things. So, when do you plan to reach 50.000? --Willem H. 19:22, 19 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Plan¿¿¿??? Not this year! Maybe next.... depends on that elusive magic decoder ring.... ;-) --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:41, 19 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Still waiting for that Ring? You should write to the management about this. I'm still trying to find a quick and easy way to enter 2500 Perry Rhodans plus coverscans and Dutch translations. --Willem H. 19:51, 19 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Put the cats to work!! There were/are 2500 PRs??? That's at least a week's worth of typing. Maybe two... --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:15, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Star Rider
Expanded the notes somewhat for [this]. --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:21, 19 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Nice job. Thanks, --Willem H. 19:42, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Farmer's The Dark Design
Can you see if the information that I've added to the notes of this pub matches your copy as well? Especially check to see if yours indicates a printing or edition. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:06, 27 September 2010 (UTC)


 * The notes match my copy too. There is a another edition. The only difference is on the copyright page, which states "Second Impression". Thanks, --Willem H. 19:41, 29 September 2010 (UTC)


 * That was one of the reasons I asked. My copy actually states "Third Impression", so I'm going to clone yours (twice) and remove my verification from the first.  I was adding the image to this record when I noticed that my copy was not a first printing.  Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:22, 29 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I informed my friend Rias of the existence of the third impression. He added the information to the PJF international bibliography. Thanks! --Willem H. 19:10, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Good. I was glad to be some help to that website.  I often use it as a reference. Mhhutchins 22:21, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Warm Worlds and Otherwise
I updated to change the price from $1.50 to C$1.50. As I verified the you may want to take a look at the notes for that to see if any apply to the Canadian edition you verified. For example, is the publisher on the title page "Ballantine Books • New York"? --Marc Kupper|talk 18:15, 3 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I had to move my verification to the U.S. edition, probably verified the wrong one. Thanks for this! --Willem H. 19:07, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

St. Martin's first edition of Pohl's Jem
Can you check to see if this prints a first edition statement? I'm trying to determine whether St. Martin's at this time was giving such statements on their copyright pages, as I have one of their books published in the same year that gives no edition or printing info. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:28, 5 October 2010 (UTC)


 * First edition statement is on the copyright page. I adapted the notes. --Willem H. 19:36, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Dick & Zelazny's Deus Irae
I've updated the notes and did a primary verification of this record. Mhhutchins 22:18, 5 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Looks good. Thanks, --Willem H. 10:56, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Splinter of the Mind's Eye
Can you have a look at [this] discussion as it refers to one of your verified pubs. Thanks! --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:13, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Responded there. --Willem H. 10:55, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Bowker's Frontiersville High
Is the introduction to this book fictional? Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:09, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, it is. I see I didn't add any notes to this pub when verifying (my mistake). Corrected now. Thanks, --Willem H. 11:09, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Submission updating the image for Necromancer Nine
Please look at this submission and join in this discussion. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:39, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Responded there. --Willem H. 10:11, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Middleton's The Ghost Ship and Other Stories
Can you make sure that the title story in this collection is hyphenated? It's one of two verified books that gives the title as "The Ghost-Ship". (This doesn't match the book's title as well.) Also, looking at the story's first publication it also appears that the variant should be reversed (making "The Ghost Ship" the parent title). Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 06:38, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, the story is hyphenated on the title page and the contents page. I have no problems with a reversal of the variant. It seems the first and most later editions of the story don't have the hyphen (the first book publication does though). --Willem H. 10:10, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Murray Leinster's "The Grandfather's War"
As a primary verifier of a publication containing The Grandfather's War, you input on this discussion is requested. A question has been raised about the proper location of the apostrophe. Thanks. --JLaTondre 00:57, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Confirmed, but too late. I was out of town for one day. --Willem H. 19:37, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Angela Carter's Puss in Boots
Please see the third question in this discussion. Thanks. --JLaTondre 22:55, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Responded there. --Willem H. 08:37, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Deus Irae
Not sure about the artist credit for [this]. I've looked at it very carefully, magnified and can't find any initials on the cover. Always the possibility the cover is slipped/cropped differently on my copy. --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:23, 29 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Looks like I verified this when I got home from the hospital last year. Probably should have waited a while (hallucinations of weird letters?). I wonder what Kraang has to say about it. --Willem H. 20:08, 29 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Nothing, as yet. I've run across some real winners from my first couple of months after surgery. I blame it on the anaesthetic. ;-) --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:51, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Brin's "Whose Millennium?" or "...Millenium?"
Can you please check the spelling of the essay in this collection? (You currently are the most active verifier of this pub.) The title in this magazine has two "n"s but I don't want to make a variant unless all the other pubs don't match. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:26, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It has two 'ns' in all the relevant places. Changed the record to match. --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:53, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree about the n's (two of them). --Willem H. 20:11, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Slave Planet
Scanned in an image for [this], then noticed the author's name on the title page lacks the middle initial! [present on cover and spine only]. Did the unmerge/change/re-merge etc. --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:48, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * And another one bites the dust. --Willem H. 20:14, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

All Flesh is Grass
Think I've managed to date [this], see the link in the notes. If not conclusive enough can always change it back to all 0s.Also scanned in a new image, see which one you prefer. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:49, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I can live with 1973. Couldn't find the pub mentioned in Locus, but then, they weren't very complete back in those days. --Willem H. 20:01, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Empire of the Atom
Found a signature on [this] cover. About 1cm up from the bottom right, along the edge of the purple colouring running from bottom up. Very tiny, very faint. My eyes think it's Faragasso. You will need some magnification...!--~ Bill, Bluesman 05:21, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Posted an image [here] --~ Bill, Bluesman 15:32, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Nothing wrong with your eyes at least. I could have looked a hundred times, and never seen it. Why is it called "TUBB_E._C.008.jpg"? :-) --Willem H. 19:43, 30 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Since it wasn't going to be attached to any pub, I didn't bother to re-set the file extension from the previous scan, which was of a Tubb cover. And it took me about five minutes with a magnifier to even find a signature in the first place. Persistance pays off!! :-) --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:02, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Adding cover artist to two of your verified pubs
You are the primary verifier for and, both by Philip K. Dick. In the notes, you mention that the cover artist has a "JHB" signature on the cover. We appear to have 9 books in the ISFDB database whose covers have that mysterious monogram, and I am adding cover artists attributions for the 4 (including your 2) that are not directly linked to that artist's "name". The intent is to connect all of these mysteries into one, esp. in case anyone ever figures out who that artist is. Chavey 21:30, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Also, I wanted to ask you to check your copy of, by Niven and Pournelle (which you verified). One of the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Author:J._H._B. conjectures] about "J. H. B." is that this stands for. Bennett has several cover images in the ISFDB database with no signature, or with his full name signed, but if I read the image correctly for Inferno, there appears to be the artist's initials at the bottom center of the page. If so, then you might be able to verify, or disprove, this conjecture. Chavey 21:36, 4 December 2010 (UTC)


 * It's a good thing to tie the JHB-covers together. Harry Bennett could well be the artist behind the initials, the Ace image library points to him (Eye in the Sky), and Jane Frank credits him for that one and Crack in the Sky in this book. You might try to contact Harry's son Tom. E-mail adress is on his web site. As for Inferno, I have to disappoint you, there's no initials, only some slight scratches on the cover. --Willem H. 22:29, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Also added J.H.B. to Other Days, Other Eyes. --Willem H. 22:40, 4 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The [Andre Norton Books] website has these initials belonging to a J. H. Breslow, about whom I can find nothing. I have e-mailed Jay about this and he says his source is private. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:37, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Odd Solaris ISBN
Can you shed any light on [this] discussion? --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:33, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Tried, but no bright light. --Willem H. 22:06, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Identified cover artist
The initialed signature for this cover and this one has been identified to be that to. Mhhutchins 17:40, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * That means the Ace image library and Jane Frank are wrong in this case! Found proof for Eye in the Sky here. Changed the credit for both my pubs and uploaded a signature scan from The Game-Players of Titan. Thanks, --Willem H. 20:13, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Perry Rhodan
Hello, Willem! As avid reader of the German author Andreas Eschbach I have added his three PR novellas to the lot. But: I counted them as chapbooks, because at the time of entering this is what I thought they are. They started back in '61 as pure fiction booklets (with some illustrations, I think). All other additions (letter pages, reports etc.) came later and still are in my opinion not enough to qualify them as magazines. But if the standard in our little db is different, we could change the three. On the other hand, I have seen hints that a major discussion of PR has been avoided so far. Would this qualify as a challenge for us? Second point: I came on this while searching for Klaus N. Frick, which led to PR 2500. And there I found a typo: The cover (and my copy) says 'Projekt Saturn' instead of 'Project Saturn'. Could you correct this as moderator or shall I inform the verifier? And shouldn't the title 'Perry Rhodan #2500:' be transferred into the series title, i.e. deleted?Stonecreek 19:59, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I have just found out that there was indeed a discussion on the topic and that right now there are not enough resources for the series as a whole. So, I leave it to you to decide what is to be done about Eschbach's writings. If it comes to entering the series, I could help with a moderate support: I buy about every sixth issue to keep track of the developments.
 * On the role of the editor: The late Robert Feldhoff has been responsible as 'exposé editor' for the chronological development of the series (he died in 2009), Klaus N. Frick on the other hand has the last say on the product as a whole. He coordinates for example the illustrations (also cover), reports etc. So maybe it would be better to include the two of them (or three, because there was a time when two people worked as 'exposé factory'). Stonecreek 19:09, 11 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Christian. Good to have a German editor here! I could use some (a lot of) help with the original Perry Rhodan series. First, the main reason for me to add them to the database, is to be able to add the Dutch translations when foreign language support is implemented. Since I only own a few hundred of the originals, I use the data from Perrypedia (each issue I enter has a link to the Perrypedia page). I will add data and verify the issues I own sometime in the future, but for now I only enter the first printing, and only the illustrations and the novellas. I would rather not discuss the magazine/chapterbook/novel(la) issues again, as far as I'm concerned, the series is published as a magazine, and I'm happy about that. The Dutch editions have no letter pages, but they will be entered as magazines anyway. I work (copy/paste) from an excel-spreadsheet where I have the neccesary data.
 * For the other points: the typo is a good spot! I will change the title and notify user WeAreGray. The addition "Perry Rhodan, #2500:" is used because it is entered as a magazine. See this help page under Publication Information (Magazines and Missing or variant dates). The title record doesn't get the addition, only the publication. The editor is a good point. In most issues I own, no editor is mentioned, Perrypedia has a nice overview of the exposé-autoren (the exact issues they did), but for Klaus N. Frick (1992 - present) and his predecessors Günter M. Schelwokat (#11 - 1987 or 1992?) and Florian F. Marzin (1987 - 1995) things are not clear to me. If you can find the issue numbers they started/stopped with ... Anyway, thanks for the input. Let me know what you can (want to) do. --Willem H. 21:19, 17 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, it should be possible to determine the changing issues from Marzin onwards and, with some luck, from Schelwokat, but it will take some research time in the catacombs or 2nd hand stores. The man who started it all was to my knowledge Kurt Bernhardt. So he could be mentioned as well for the first issues. I can (and am willing to) enter the issues I have. From the first printing this would start around issue 600 - but still only every 5th or 6th issue, some of them are nevertheless from later printings. It's up to you to determine where I shall start. Stonecreek 11:10, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


 * That would be very welcome. I don't think Schelwokat or Marzin are mentioned in the issues (I looked at #816, only the exposé-redaction is credited, I think they dropped that again later on). If it's not too much trouble, please add a note on this page every now and then, which issues you entered, so I can incorporate them in the series when I reach those numbers. I state my progress on the project page. Thanks, --Willem H. 21:52, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


 * So, from the project page (maybe we put our communication regarding PR over there?) it would be right to begin with the next issue of the 1st printing after #370? Rainer Castor: I'm not sure if it'd be right to include him as editor. From the Perrypedia it seems he 'only' gives aid in getting the huge amount of data right when there's a connection to earlier issues. Eminent, but I'd give Feldhoff or Anton the main credit in the exposé work (at least, they work(ed) out the plots and decide(d) who writes which issue). What do you think? Stonecreek 14:51, 22 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Good idea. I moved this to the magazine's talk page. --Willem H. 20:36, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Locus #250 (November 1981) has a listing for this pub giving October 1981 as the month of its appearance. Mhhutchins 21:02, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I have to disagree. Locus #250 mentions the 1st printing. Mine is only a fourth. --Willem H. 21:32, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I was wrong. When I saw "reprint" in the listing and it matched all of the fields in your record, I assumed incorrectly it was referring to the same printing. Thanks for catching my mistake. Mhhutchins 23:46, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

The Best of John W. Campbell
Shouldn't The Best of John W. Campbell be under the pseudonym "John W. Campbell" without the "jr.". My copy doesn't have the "jr." anywhere. I'll be happy to make the changes if you concur. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:16, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * One of my early verifications, this one. I admit, no "Jr." anywhere. Feel free to replace / rename everything in this pub. --Willem H. 16:54, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Hunter of Worlds, C. J. Cherryh
You're the "Primary2" verifier of this edition, a 3rd printing with no internal specification of the pub date. The notes included:
 * 1) Amazon dates ISBNs 0-87997-559-8 and 0-88677-217-6 as "DAW; Reissue edition (May 5, 1987)." It's not known which price/printing was printed in 1987.
 * 2) Note – the printing date for this publication is unknown. Rather than using 0000-00-00 this publication in ISFDB has been dated using the YYYY-MM of the first printing and the day of the month is set to the printing number to get the publication sorted into a reasonable spot relative to other printings for this edition.

Amazon now gives a pub date of Aug. 5, 1980, so I've changed the date in this record to reflect that. I've also added an internal art credit to C. H. Cherryh for the frontispiece art, which the copyright page says is by her. Chavey 05:54, 17 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I will let Marc be the judge of this. He's the one who added the date like this, in stead of 0000-00-00. Generally, an Amazon date is not really reliable, so I think it should go in the notes, not in the date field (also, Amazon is not specific about the printing number, only the ISBN). The frontispiece addition is valid though. By the way, if you add a link to a pub here, it's better to use the title record, not the edit mode. --Willem H. 22:06, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Cherryh's The Faded Sun: Kesrith
I updated this record with expanded notes and an image of the wraparound cover art. As another verifier, perhaps you can answer a question that arose. Does your copy have gutter code "I06" on page 246? My copy is a later printing, but the gutter code is on page 247. I've seen other cases where a reprint places the code on a different page, but it's rather rare. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:07, 19 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The gutter code is on page 247. I adapted the notes for this. Nice catch. Thanks, --Willem H. 20:22, 19 December 2010 (UTC)


 * As an aside, my copy has a gutter code (also p. 247) of M31 (Aug. 1982). Apparently they reprinted this book club printing for a while. Mine came in a trio of all 3 Faded Suns, with the other two having gutter codes of M02 (Jan. 1982). Do we bother putting in all the extra gutter codes (print runs) for BCE's? Chavey 04:21, 22 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, please record gutter codes in the notes field, regardless of the printings. (At the moment we create only one record for each edition, not for each printing.)  Also if you get a chance, record them in the SFBC wiki listing starting here. Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:22, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * And I have to point out: the wiki listing is not a list of all printings. It's a list of monthly selections.  Once you've found the date of when it was a monthly selection, add the reprint gutter codes in the note field. Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:26, 22 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Will do! The M31 code was known, but not the M02's. When I go back to scanning covers, I'll check the gutter codes on BCE's and see if I have any other unknowns. Chavey 05:52, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Anne McCaffrey's "Nerilka's Story"
I've added 2 content items to your verified pub : 5 pages of maps, entered as interior art, and an "About the Author" at the end. Chavey 18:03, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Anne McCaffrey's "Dragonsdawn"
Can you please check the page counts you have for ""? You list this as having 367 pages. My version, which appears to be the same as yours, has 363 numbered pages, 6 unnumbered pages of maps & appendix, and 1 unnumbered page for "About the Author". But no matter how I count it, I don't see 367 pages. I would be inclined to call it 363+[7]. Chavey 04:20, 24 December 2010 (UTC)


 * If that's true, you have a different version of the novel. In my copy page 367 is the last numbered page (not on top of the page, but at the bottom). Only the last map and "About the Author" are on unnumbered pages. --Willem H. 10:28, 24 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Aha! That's it. I didn't see the page numbers at the bottom of the page. So we do have the same edition. Do you mind if I add the "About the Author"? Chavey 04:58, 27 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I have no problem with the "About the Author" essay. Never added them myself though, so you'll probably find more of them missing. Just add them, no need to notify me. --Willem H. 07:08, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Logan's Run illustrator
I have put in to change the illustrator on Logan's run from Hofmann to William Hofmann, based on the signatures on the cover of Logan's Run and jacket of Earth Abides (1969). William Hofmann seems to have been a major illustrator for publishers in the 50s and 60s. His first name finally appeared on the Earth Abides dust-jacket, and I see it frequently on Alibris and Abebooks. Jacqke 13:48, 29 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Replied on your talk page. --Willem H. 22:20, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

The Ides of Octember: A Pictorial Bibliography of Roger Zelazny
I thought you'd like to know that this book has finally been published and is available for order on the NESFA Press website: The Ides of Octember. --Ckovacs 11:59, 31 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Finally!! I kept checking the Nesfa website every few weeks, but no sign of change. I'm looking foreward to this one. Thanks! --Willem H. 12:13, 31 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I just noticed that you've added this book to the database, thanks. There is one correction to make. You've listed Kovacs, Grubbs, and Crimmins as authors. However, it should indicate Kovacs as author, and then Kovacs, Grubbs, and Crimmins as editors. Or does the database not enable distinguishing authors from editors on a book? Also, if you have any comments about the book I'd appreciated hearing them! Thanks. --Ckovacs 11:33, 11 March 2011 (UTC)


 * You are right. I assumed (wrongly) that type "nonfiction" would generate an editor record, and failed to check the result. Thanks for noticing this! I corrected the author- and title records, and moved the editor credit to the notes, see here.
 * It's a beautiful book, no other comments yet. If I ever find something missing, I'll let you know. Thanks! --Willem H. 13:44, 11 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for fixing that. There will be a signed (by Roger Zelazny), lettered, leatherbound, traycased edition released likely within a few weeks but from another publisher and with a different ISBN. When the time comes, can I post the relevant info here so that you can create its record? (The signature sheets were unused from prior limited editions of Knight of Shadows and Prince of Chaos). --Ckovacs 12:00, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Sherri Tepper's "Beauty"
You verified the 1992 edition of Beauty, and listed a price of $4.99. I appear to have the same book (all data is the same), but mine has a price of $5.99. The cover image attached to this edition of "Beauty" also shows a price of $5.99. Can you check what price is actually listed on your edition? Chavey 03:38, 2 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Well spotted! I changed the price and adapted the notes. Thanks, --Willem H. 11:28, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Merlin's Godson
See this discussion. MartyD and I want to change the artist credit for the cover of from "Darrell K. Sweet" to "Darrell Sweet". Do you concur? Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:58, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Responded there. --Willem H. 19:20, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Osterwalder
Editor Rudam has submitted two edits adding the last name above to Hans Ulrich for one of the artist credits. Do you happen to know if this is accurate? I've placed both edits on hold for now. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:10, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I had seen this discussion, and was waiting for the outcome. It looks like Rudam is right in this case. I found this site, that seems to confirm this. The illustrations on the right look a lot like the Traitor to the Living cover. Can't find any connection to Ute Osterwalder though, and Ulrich can be a first name as well as a last. I would approve the edits. --Willem H. 19:33, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Works for me! Thanks! --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:54, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

De Camp and Pratt's (The) Land of Unreason
I noticed that your verified publication has a title of "Land of Unreason" for the title of the publication, but is attached to the "The Land of Unreason" title record rather than the variant title without the "The". Going from the cover scan, it looks like the publication record has the correct title, and it needs to be switched to the variant title record. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:19, 10 January 2011 (UTC)


 * You're absolutely right, no "The" in the title anywhere. I corrected this. Thanks, --Willem H. 15:43, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Night of the Saucers by Binder(s)
Can you verify that your copy of this publication is credited to both Earl and Otto Binder? According to Reginald1 (ref. 01299), it was published as by "Eando Binder" and written by Otto Binder. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 16:48, 13 January 2011 (UTC)


 * One of my early verifications again. If I ever finish my collection, I must do a second pass. This was as by Eando Binder, it should be correct now. Thanks for catching this, --Willem H. 19:51, 13 January 2011 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. I've changed the remaining pubs of the same title as well and merged them under the "Eando Binder" record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:14, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

The Great Fetish
Can you see if this pub actually credits Steele Savage as the cover artist? I'm trying to clear up some questions posted on the verification page, and the questioner believes this doesn't look like Savage's work and the book was published ten years after his death. Also the signature doesn't match Steele's, according to the questioner. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:00, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


 * No credit anywhere in the pub. I agree it isn't Steele Savage, the signature is different (looks more like Stone or something). I'll add a new verification request. Thanks, --Willem H. 20:40, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

But What of Earth
Editor Uzume added a new image to [this] Accepted the submission as the original image was awful. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:55, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The new image isn't so hot either. I'll replace it (some day).--Willem H. 06:59, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Anthony's OX
I'm holding a submission that wants to change the title of your verified pub from Ox to OX. The text of the novel clearly gives the title in capitals. See this discussion. I've changed my edition to the capitalized title. Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:06, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I am the one that proposed the change (along with a few others) and I was planning to leave a note here but it seems Mhhutchins beat me to it. Uzume 03:28, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I have no problems with this change. --Willem H. 06:53, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

[The] Last of the Wild Ones
Finally getting back to entering issues of OMNI and the above story [first appearance in March '81 issue] does not have "The" in the title. You verified [this] recently, so I assume the addition of "The" is correct? If so I'll create the necessary variant. Thanks! --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:53, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, both versions I have of the story (in Unicorn Variations and Last Exit to Babylon add "The" to the title. --Willem H. 19:02, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks! --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:30, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Serpent's Teeth
Can you verify the placement of the apostrophe for the above in [this]? The original OMNI story was recorded incorrectly and the variant [if there is one, the Timescape edition is the only one showing the apostrophe before the 's'] goes the wrong way. Thanks! --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:30, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Shame on me, it's Serpents' Teeth. I corrected this for "The Best Science Fiction of the Year #11". There's one more that has Serpent's, Bill Longley's Time Travelers Strictly Cash. --Willem H. 19:44, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Dropped a note on his page. Thanks! --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:10, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Fixed now. The apostrophe is before the S on the copyright page but not in ToC or start of the title. BLongley 23:20, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * And another variant bites the dust! Thanks, gentlemen! --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:49, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Tor Books merged into Tor
Please see this message when you get a chance. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:35, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

The Dreams Our Stuff Is Made Of
Hello, Willem. Since you verified the publication of this book, I'd like to check my proposal with you. For German publication the individual chapters were divided into several essays for 'Das Science Fiction Jahr' (see here, for one of those). Since you can read it as collection of essays, each of them on a different theme, I could enter them into the pub. What do you think? I asked Mhhutchins the same question. (Bear in mind that you probably have to add the actual pages where the essays begin.) Stonecreek 15:44, 5 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't know what to think about this. The different parts are presented as chapters in my pub, so it seemed logical to enter the book as a whole. I can't find any rule on what to do when parts of a non-fiction book are later presented as separate essays. Perhaps Michael has better suggestions. Let's wait for his opinion. --Willem H. 19:14, 5 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Michael approved my suggestion, but I'd rely on both of you for actually changing the pub(s). It is only the dividing into separate chapters that sparked the idea, because the individual chapters are not connected (at least that is my memory and the impression from publication in 'Das SF Jahr'). This way the publication history of the essays would be easier to see.Stonecreek 18:03, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I trust Michael in this. The rest is quite easy, you enter the essays in one of the pubs, and after approval import the contents into the other. That takes care of a lot of (otherwise manual) merging. Do you want to try it? --Willem H. 19:03, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Just added the titles of the individual chapters/essays. Please be so kind to verify the beginning pages (and if there is an introduction, notes etc.). Has this edition also an index? I mentioned it in the notes of my edition. Stonecreek 18:21, 8 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Good job. Pagenumbers are the same, and the index is in mine too. Only the acknowledgements section is normally not included (see the help text. It's there now, so I let it rest. I added some notes, and then discovered my edition is a second printing. Removed my verification and cloned the thing. Thanks, --Willem H. 20:00, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

What's It Like Out There? and Other Stories
I'm entering the November 1941 issue of Weird Tales which contains a story by Edmond Hamilton that we currently have titled as "Dreamer's World". However, the magazine actually has the title as "Dreamer's Worlds". Your verified pub ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MLO1337 What's It Like Out There? and Other Stories]'' has the only other appearance of the story. Contento lists it without the "s". Could you double check how the title appears in your copy. Kraang also has a primary verified copy and I'm leaving the same note on his page. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:44, 5 February 2011 (UTC)


 * It's "Dreamer's World" on the contents page, but "Dreamer's Worlds" on in the acknowledgements and on the story's titlepage. This means (i.m.o.) you can change the title record. I'll add notes to "What's It Like Out There?" and notify Kraang. Good find! Thanks, --Willem H. 19:19, 5 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for checking. Change accomplished. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:18, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Land of Unreason
Can you verify the spelling of the cover artist for this pub? Most records give his name as "Esteban Maroto". Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:29, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Good catch! Esteban it is, corrected now. I also checked both editions of The Magic Goes Away with interior art by Maroto. Both credit Esteban, so I corrected this title too. Thanks, --Willem H. 06:58, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Emma Bull's War for the Oaks
I've created a publication series for the Ace Fantasy Specials and placed your verified pub into it, and removed "Fantasy Special" from the publisher field. I was only able to find six titles. Do you know of any others? Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:16, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * This is the only Ace Fantasy Special I own. I don't think there were more than six, but who knows... Thanks for creating the series. --Willem H. 13:39, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

The Land Leviathan
Just entered a second printing for [this] which has interior art by Whelan [his 'sigil' is the same on cover and frontispiece] Checked the first printing to see if a merge was needed and there's no interior art content listed. Since the other two verifiers are inactive... Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:40, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I admit, I skipped some of the interior art pieces in those days. Added & merged now, thanks for pointing this out :-) --Willem H. 20:18, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Phyllis Eisenstein, "In the Hands of Glory"
You are a secondary verifier for this book, which is listed in the ISFDB as having a publication date of Oct. 1981. My copy has all the data identical to this one, is a 1st printing according to the number line, but claims a publication date of Nov. 1981. Can you check to see whether this was a data entry mistake, or whether there is some other weird issue going on? Thanks, Chavey 02:41, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * You're absolutely right. I changed the date (for the canadian edition as well) and added notes. Thanks, --Willem H. 19:35, 8 March 2011 (UTC)