User talk:Ofearna/Archive03

The Weeping Oak
You've submitted a note saying it was first published in Sword and Sorceress V, edited by Marion Zimmer Bradley; DAW Books, 1988, but it appears that it appeared in volume FOUR the year before? BLongley 12:31, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Should I alter the note, once approved, to say according to the copyright acknowledgments page of Woods & Waters Wild or just alter it to vol vi, 1987?Ofearna 16:22, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I'd say that the note should be in Woods & Waters Wild, explaining that the acknowledgements page has the error. BLongley 12:11, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll cancel the request and go grab the book ^_^. Ofearna 19:31, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

The Child Thief
Are you certain that the author/artist uses his full name (Gerald Brom) in the cover art credit of this publication? What is your source? Mhhutchins 23:22, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * He seems to use Brom and Gerald Brom interchangeably. His stuff is *signed* Brom and the cover says Brom on the Child Thief, but the copyright page has Gerald Brom, which is his full name... Ofearna 23:33, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * The dustjacket credit trumps the copyright page credit. We only use copyright credit if there is not other credit. Does the dustjacket of your copy give any credit? Mhhutchins 23:53, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * The Dustjacket has the bio as Gerald Brom, but the credit as Brom. Ofearna 23:55, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * So the ISFDB record should credit Brom as well. Thanks for looking. Mhhutchins 00:32, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Unstable Amazon images
I rejected the submissions adding links to Amazon images that end with LZZZZZZZ.jpg. These are very unstable. The best way to get the URL of a stable file is to right click on the image (even if it's a "Look Inside" image), copy the URL, and then paste it. Then remove all characters between the last two periods. For example: start at the end (usually jpg), and go backward. After the last period (the one before "jpg") start removing all of the characters until you reach the next period, leaving the single period before "jpg". This is all explained under the Amazon listing of the ISFDB image linking permissions page. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:50, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * was done that way (one example) and it's unstable, but since I prefer to link to the ISFDB image I'll do it this way and keep my fingers crossed ☻ Ofearna 23:57, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I clicked on the Amazon link for that publication and then right clicked on the image and got this URL:  http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51GnsiC1yEL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg . If you remove all of the characters as I explained, you'll get this stable URL:  http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51GnsiC1yEL.jpg  (image here). There's no reason not to enter this URL into the record. Mhhutchins 00:12, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I replaced the image after I posted that... still haven't checked to see if it'll work, but this new method works even when there's no LZZZZ so, that's GREAT! Thanks Ofearna 04:15, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * You should always try to find the Amazon file without the LZs. If only the LZ file is available, it's better not to link it. Mhhutchins 14:10, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Daughter of Smoke and Bone
This title has only today became a selection of the SFBC. I've accepted the submission adding it to the db (here), but you'll need to make corrections to the record.


 * 1) Catalog numbers should always start with the number sign (#)
 * 2) Prices should always give a currency (in this case, $)
 * 3) You should give the name of the catalog in which it first became a selection. So instead of "SFC12055OE-01", you should give "SFBC May 2012 catalog". In the case, it's not actually listed in the catalog, but on the envelope. So I usually enter cases like this "Info from a flyer accompanying the SFBC May 2012 catalog" for any book that's first advertised in a loose flyer or on the envelope. (My catalog arrived today and it's ID number is "SFC1205CC-01" so you can it differs from yours, and maybe others, so it should not be a basis for naming the source.)
 * 4) Hatchette Book Group is not a publisher, but the corporate entity. Until someone can do a primary verification from a copy of the book, you should use the name of the trade publisher and appending " / SFBC", in this case it should be entered as "Little, Brown / SFBC".

Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:09, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * #sign, $ sign, envelope note and month of catalog, Little Brown. I think that's everying.  Thanks!!! Oh, and added the cover artist back.  Ofearna 04:18, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

SFBC ed. of A Clash of Kings
You want to change the price and SFBC ID# for this record based on a current SFBC catalog number. Do you recall our conversation just a couple of days ago, when we spoke of just this situation? I'll reject the submission, and you can add back the image if you know it's the same one used for the 1999. If the ID# has changed (not the catalog number, they're two different things), you can create a record for the new edition. You would have to have a copy of it to determine if the ID# (printed on the back of the dustjacket) has changed. We don't create new records if the catalog number has changed. Mhhutchins 00:19, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I have most of the catalogs/fliers (some of the fliers, anyway) going back to 1997 in a file drawer (pack-rat me!) and the image has been the same ever since. There was a different cover for Game of Thrones, but Clash of Kings has been exactly the same the whole time. Ofearna 04:20, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Adams' The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
Please check the publication date and ISBN of this record. The ISBN is an invalid number. And if there is an ISBN-13 printed on the book, then it can't have been published in 1989. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 00:42, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I didn't add this book... looking, can't find a 1989 Pan edition of Restaurant... Confused Ofearna 04:24, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry. I was working on a string of your submissions and this one amongst them was from another editor, and I failed to notice that fact. Mea culpa. Mhhutchins 04:34, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks I was wondering if while waiting for pain meds (migraine) to kick in I'd done something REALLY strange. ☻ ☻ Ofearna 04:36, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Confessions of a Part-Time Sorceress
I accepted the submission adding this record and made the following changes:


 * The note was changed from "OCLC = 671273675, 642400691, 123349712, 474282646 AND 317744276" to "Data from OCLC record 123349712. Publication date from Amazon.com" Listing a bunch of OCLC records, most of which are stubs with very little data, doesn't add anything the value of the record. Also the date you gave isn't stated in any OCLC record, so I'm assuming it came from Amazon. You should use this field to tell the user the source of your data.
 * I changed the page count from 192 to 177. The former is from Amazon (a source that is notoriously wrong when it comes to page counts) and the latter is from the OCLC records that you sourced but didn't use.

Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:00, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Awesome, THANKS!!! Ofearna 20:05, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Linking art images (not book covers)
Do you have permission to host the images that you've been linking to the ISFDB records for artwork that is not book covers? Without obtaining explicit permission from the artist, the owner of the server would be in violation of copyright laws. (Fair use laws would not cover the hosting of images of the original art, just the images of book covers of low resolution.) The ISFDB could also be liable if we link to the images (according to some of the editors here who know copyright law.) Mhhutchins 21:18, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I could change the links to the artists' website, but they keep moving things (exasperated sigh). None of these items have been scanned by me, just snagged.  Want me to stop ☻ ? Ofearna 21:23, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes. It's better to be safe than sorry. One lawsuit could bring us to our knees. And it's not a matter of whether or not you scanned them. Even if you copied them from another website, as long as you're hosting them on your server without permission you're violating copyright laws and would be liable for damages (or more likely, they'd just force your website host to block your URL.) Mhhutchins 21:41, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Stories in Nights of the Round Table
Hi. I accepted your submission and merged the duplicate titles, which adjusted a couple of lengths and publication dates. A question about A Woman's Work: Does it by any chance have a trailing elipsis? We have A Woman's Work. .., so if it doesn't we'd make a variant. Also, does Oh Glorious Sight have a comma after "Oh", as it does in Oh, Glorious Sight? Again, if not, we'd make a variant. Thanks. --MartyD 10:50, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


 * On the publication history screen it's A Woman's Work (previously published in If I Were An Evil Overlord) and Oh Glorius Sight (previously published in Oceans of Magic); on the contents screen it's "A Woman's Work..." and "Oh Glorious Sight"; and on the story's title line it's "A Woman's Work..." and "Oh Glorious Sight" (no comma). Ofearna 19:14, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok. We use the title credit from the story's "title" page, falling back on the TOC if there's no title in the interior.  We don't use the title from the acknowledgments/credits/history.  So "A Woman's Work..." should have the elipsis (we can just merge yours with the other title and accept the elipsis version -- no need to edit anything), while "Oh Glorious Sight" should not have the comma.  I was able to confirm its appearance with a comma elsewhere, so here we'll make yours a variant.  If you haven't already figured this out and done them on your own, feel free.  If you'd rather I did them, just let me know.  Thanks, and thanks for double-checking.  --MartyD 11:06, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Sourcing first publications in the title records
There's really no reason to do this unless there is no pub record to substantiate it. Why note that this story was first published in Magic in Ithkar 3, when there's a record for the publication right there letting you know where it was published? Mhhutchins 23:09, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I was just entering the copyright information on all the stories from the ebook... redundant, I know. Ofearna 03:48, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Conflicting Edits
If you want to make multiple changes to the same record, you generally need to wait until the first edit is approved and then submit the second (there are some exceptions, but best practice is to wait in order to avoid conflicts). You had a change in the queue to merge two "All Flesh is Clay" title records, which I approved. You then had a subsequent edit to change the title record you had merged. However, once the merge occurred, that title record was deleted which forced me to reject your second edit. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:03, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

LoveDeath
I have placed your edit to change the title of to "LoveDeath" on hold. That publication has been primary verified. In such cases, you need to notify the primary verifier which you have not done. Please let Mhhutchins	know of your desired change & if he concurs, then the edit will be accepted. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:09, 4 May 2012 (UTC)


 * crud... I didn't even look (too tired to be doing this...) I'll go cancel it then recheck and if I need to change it again, I'll notify the primary. Thanks Ofearna 23:54, 4 May 2012 (UTC)


 * My copy has the title entirely in capital letters on the title page and front cover. In the LoC CiP data on the copyright page, it is given as "Lovedeath". I can't find anywhere where it's given as "LoveDeath". Where is it in your copy? Mhhutchins 04:20, 5 May 2012 (UTC)


 * the copyright acknowledgement of "The Great Lover" from New Masterpieces of Horror has it as LoveDeath... Ofearna 05:11, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * That's all sorts of wrong. Using a secondary source to change a record that's been primary verified is the opposite of ISFDB standards. Mhhutchins 15:30, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Merging cover art records for Amber and Ashes
Someone had previously noted that the paperback and hardcover editions had different cover art but by the same artist, and to not merge the two. Can you confirm by doing a primary verification of each record that this publication and this one have the same cover art. Even though the images currently linked are the same, neither have been verified, and the person who left the note on this cover art record didn't verify the pub either. They may have been referring to this image, but I can't see which edition this one is. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 03:29, 5 May 2012 (UTC)


 * But I checked every copy I could find including the author's website and all of them have the same cover for every pub of the title. I'll try.  In the meantime, I'll cancel the submission and wait for the results.  I did find a TP version with a different Stawicki cover so I'll get ahold of copies and verify. Ofearna 05:18, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Notes field separating characters
Please use either HTML unnumbered list or forced HTML line breaks to separate one line from another in the note field. You can additionally use a bullet to begin each point (ALT 7). Try not to use any other character as a separator. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:17, 5 May 2012 (UTC)


 * OK.Ofearna 05:10, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Chapterbooks
Hi. I accepted your submission. In the ISFDB, "CHAPTERBOOK" is a little bit like a one-work collection; that is, it's a "container" publication, similar to ANTHOLOGY, COLLECTION, and OMNIBUS, but used for the publication of a single work of short fiction. So if you want to record a CHAPTERBOOK, you need to add the short work to its contents. Think of it this way: the story itself isn't a chapterbook, it's a novella (or novelette or short story). I added a corresponding novella entry. Thanks. --MartyD 11:11, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I've got 5 of these left, wanted to wait and see how this was approved, then copy it.  Ofearna 17:30, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

HTML mark-up in titles
I took the italics mark-up you added to the title out of. I don't know if it's official policy anywhere, but putting mark-up in titles renders them not useful outside of viewing them in a browser. If you want to punctuate it, I suggest using double quotes. I'm not sure it's necessary in this case, though. Feel free to bring the question of using embedded mark-up to the Rules and standards discussions page if you think it should be included. I've been overruled before. :-) Thanks.  --MartyD 11:19, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * the title had Pulphouse in special italics, but I wasn't sure it was necessary. ThanksOfearna 17:31, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Women of Darkness II
I have one of your submissions on hold that would change the 1991 SFBC edition of Women of Darkness II to a 1990 QPB edition. I'm guessing you meant to clone the existing entry but did an edit by mistake? Rather than lose all of your content entry effort, I can accept this, restore the original date and publisher, and then you could clone that. Let me know. --MartyD 11:22, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * The submission should be rejected, because it creates too many content records which will have to be individually merged with the current records. The contents should be imported from this record. Also, if by "QPB" you mean the Quality Paperback Book Club, it should be entered as "QPBC" and the binding, I'm assuming, is trade paperback, not hardcover. If that's true you should, as Marty suggests, clone this record, making the necessary changes to match your copy of the book (and I'm assuming you're working from an actual copy of the book.) Mhhutchins 15:26, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I will reject the submission as recommended. I didn't notice the other publication with an existing contents list.  I'll import that one's contents into the SFBC entry while I'm noticing.  Then either one can be cloned.  Thanks.  --MartyD 10:15, 7 May 2012 (UTC)


 * This is the book I bought FROM the SFBC, but the copyright page says "Tor Horror / Quality Printing & Binding" which was QPB... doesn't say SFBC.

Excerpts, derivative works, and variants
Sorry, but I am going to reject your submission that would make The Dream-Hunter (Excerpt) a variant of The Dream-Hunter. Variants are only used to record alternate appearances of the same work, not to record derivative works. So if a work is altered from one publication to the next, a subjective judgment is made: are these still the same, or not? An excerpt sort of by definition is not the same work, so for now we do not have a way to record the relationship, except by using the same title and appending "(Excerpt)". Having a way to record derivative works is on the wishlist and has been talked about for quite some time. Maybe someday. --MartyD 11:29, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I only did one, just to see if I was right. Thanks.Ofearna 17:48, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * If you are uncertain of something, please ask first at ISFDB:Help desk. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:41, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

SFBC ed. of Death's Excellent Adventure
I've accepted the submission that updates this record, but have to point out again that the number on the back of the dustjacket of SFBC editions should go into the ISBN/Catalog number field of the ISFDB record. That is made clear in the instructions that I've linked to you before. I also have to explain that the SFBC catalog number, the one used in the catalog, is not the same as the SFBC identification number (the number printed on the back of the dustjacket.) If you have a copy of a SFBC edition, and see that the ISFDB record doesn't give the ID or identification number in the ISBN/Catalog number field, then move the catalog number to the note field and record the ID number (the number on the back of the dustjacket) to the ISBN/Catalog # field. Mhhutchins 23:53, 7 May 2012 (UTC)


 * But someone else already but #42-1690 in that field and I have no idea where that number came from. I'll change it... thanks.Ofearna 00:02, 8 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, the note tells you where the number is from... "Info from sfbc.com and the August 2010 SFBC catalog." That couldn't be any clearer.  And the instructions I've linked here explain how to handle a record that has the catalog number instead of the identification number in the ISBN/Catalog # field.
 * I have been adding SFBC editions for the past five years, and, no, I don't have all of the books. The information is from Locus (before 2009) and the SFBC printed catalog (2009 until now). For the latter selections, the catalog number is the only number available to me, until someone like you has a copy of the book and can update the record with the identification number on the back of the jacket. I can't think of a better way to do that without buying every SFBC selection, roughly 180 books each year. Mhhutchins 00:33, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Women of the Otherworld series
What is your source that the Darkest Powers series is a subseries of the Women of the Otherworld series? I could find nothing on the author's website to confirm this. Thanks. Mhhutchins 01:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I read the books. The Darkest Powers trilogy and thew new one are teen spinoffs of the adult series Women of the Otherworld.  There are mentions of people and circumstances from the other books and the "magic" works the same. Ofearna 08:34, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Dunkels Blut
Hi. I have your proposed Dunkels Blut variant submission on hold. Rather than recording all of the pub-related information in the German variant title (and having it dangle), why not add the German pub? The Amazon page has a Look Inside with all of the information needed. Then you could make the title resulting from adding that publication into the variant of the English title. --MartyD 01:52, 8 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I guess either way'd work and still require 2-3 steps... Ofearna 08:34, 8 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, two steps either way. But doing it the way I suggest would avoid putting publication-specific information in the title record, where it normally does not belong (since a title can be published many times) and now ought to be removed once the publication is added.  Also, should the second step be forgotten, it's better to have the publication record with a title waiting to be made a variant than it is to have a "dangling" title, for which there is no publication.  Anyway, something to keep in mind.  Since it sounds like you're planning to add the publication, I accepted the submission.  It's all yours.  Thanks, --MartyD 10:22, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Adventure Stories for Girls tweaks
Hi. I made a couple of minor modifications to your submission. I replaced the unicode dash with a plain emdash ("—") in "Visions—A Phantasy" (the one you used was showing up as bolded, I really don't know why) and also changed the interiorart title "Visions—S Phantasy"'s "S" to be an "A", matching the story -- looked like a typo to me; apologies if that's wrong. For the "Moufflou" interiorart, if you have more than one illustration for a story, what we do is append "[n]" to each subsequent illustration after the first. E.g., Moufflou [2 ] and, had there been more, "Moufflou [3]" and so on. So I added that "[2]". I didn't see any others where it was needed. Thanks. --MartyD 12:12, 9 May 2012 (UTC)


 * TYPO: d'oh! Now I can go back when work lets up and add the rest of the stories and meld them with original pubs.  Thanks! Ofearna 17:23, 9 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I tried to remove one of the stories that was *not* spec and you've got it on hold... Ofearna 17:33, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Merge of The Watcher by the Threshold
Sorry, but I am going to reject your proposed merge of the The Watcher by the Threshold 1918 and 2005 titles. First of all, there's a big "DO NOT MERGE with ... 1918" note in the latter, which is a clue that someone looked at these before. I took a look myself, and I found the 2005 one has 28 stories, 11 of which were published after 1918. The 1918 one has only eight stories. Those differences are too significant for these to be considered the same collection, even though they have been given the same title. --MartyD 12:22, 9 May 2012 (UTC)


 * The two I was merging were not the ones it says do not meld, but maybe it should just say do not merge at all (silly me). Ofearna 17:25, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Unmerging cover art records.
Please see [this] discussion about not doing cover art unmerges. There is a work-around given. --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:35, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Dragonsong
I have placed your edit to add a cover artist to on hold. This publication has been primary verified by three people and you have not notified any of them. Please do so & include the source for your information. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 11:21, 10 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll check those again. Thanks Ofearna 16:46, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Anthologies republished under different titles
When you clone a publication, your new one is made a publication of the original's title, no matter what new title you specify. (Thanks, I didn't actually realize that until now, and I had just given someone inappropriate instructions in that regard). So I unmerged The Very Best of New Horror and made it a variant. When you want a new title, I think the best bet is to enter just the shell (with the appropriate title), then import the contents as a second step. --MartyD 12:05, 10 May 2012 (UTC)


 * So I should add a new title, instead of clone. Got it. Ofearna 18:00, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Tales from Outer Suburbia
I have your proposed change of the author's name "Shaun Tan" to "Shaun Tan-" in on hold. Your note to the moderator talks about inappropriately merged cover art, and says nothing about the author credit. I saw Bill's note above, so I suspect you were trying to do the cover art unmerge workaround, but I'm not sure. Because it needs several edits + approvals + re-edits, I did fix up the cover credits per your note: there are now three separate ones. If that's what you were trying to do and you edited the author credit instead of the artist credit by mistake, just cancel that submission. Otherwise, please tell me a little more about the author credit edit, so I can understand how to help. Thanks. --MartyD 12:26, 10 May 2012 (UTC)


 * d'OH. I did that change shortly before bed... yes, it was the artist I was trying to change per the weird discussion.  Can't quite figure out why we can't just unmerge from cover artist, but... Ofearna 17:55, 10 May 2012 (UTC)


 * My understanding is the ISFDB software has a bug where it will give incorrect credit(s) to the unmerged coverart. --MartyD 10:36, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * It does indeed. I know, I broke it while improving container-title unmerges. :-/ The good news is that the fix has been submitted and is just awaiting for Ahasuerus to do some severe testing and a (hopefully) simple implementation. BLongley 20:55, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Primary verifications
I've noticed you've made a couple of requests to other editors to "take over" the primary verification of a publication record. This isn't necessary 99.99% of the time, as there are five positions available for primary verifications. Just click on the first available slot and you will become a primary verifier of the record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:29, 12 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I only remember one, but that's OK... so I should just use secondary verification? Thanks Ofearna 18:05, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Adding cover artist credit
When you add cover artist credit to a record, you should note the source of your data. (Actually, you should do that with any update unless you've done a primary verification of the record before submission.) If you have the actual book in hand, let the moderator know in the Note to Moderator field. When you update a record that states "Info from SFBC.com", without adding the source of the cover art, then you lead users (and moderators) to believe that the cover art credit is given on SFBC.com. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:17, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * K... any I should change?Ofearna 22:49, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Adventure Stories for Girls
Are you only adding the spec-fic stories to the contents of this record? If it's not spec-fic, it should not be added to the database. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:39, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * K... Ofearna 08:35, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I tried to remove the first "story" which isn't spec-fic, but MartyD has it on hold now... Ofearna 17:34, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


 * You didn't use the correct function. Go to the pub record and click on the link "Remove Titles From This Pub" under the Editing Tools menu. Then check the box of the titles you want to remove. Mhhutchins 18:39, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Powerborn
There are problems with this record.


 * The major one is that you added a novel content record. When you make a submission to "Add New..." it creates not only a pub record, but a title record as well. Adding a content record for the novel creates a duplicate title record. It will have to be removed from the record and then deleted from the database.


 * I saw that and removed it. Guess I'll have to remember that.Ofearna 23:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * The page number field is just that: page number. You can't add words like "frontispiece" into the field. You see the results. If the page is not numbered, leave the field blank.


 * Thanks Ofearna 23:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Frontispieces and maps are entered using this format: "Title of Work (frontispiece)" and "Title of Work (map)". The title fields of those records will have be corrected.


 * Can Do!Ofearna 23:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * You should not link title-specific websites to the publication record. They should be entered into the designated field of the title record.


 * I was waiting for it to be created... Ofearna 23:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Are the twenty illustrations on unnumbered pages or are they included in the pagination? If the latter, then they're already part of the page count and should not be entered separately.


 * No, they're color plates at the end of the book.Ofearna 23:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * You dated the novel as 2011-06-00, but the content records as 2011-06-11. The dates will have to be reconciled.

Also, why add a link to a cover image on a non-permitted site when you're going to upload the image to the ISFDB server upon approval of the submission? It just doesn't make sense to me. Mhhutchins 22:56, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * So I wouldn't have to go hunting for it again. D'oh. I get it.  I will just wait from now on, thanksOfearna 23:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Content pagination
Re: this record. You should only give the page number for when a work begins. If a story begins on page 24 and rus through page 52, you don't give it as "24-52", you only give "24" in the field. By that same rationale, the page numbers of artwork should only be given on the first page they start, even if they extend to the facing page. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:11, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll go fix that... Ofearna 23:17, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Also, are the names that you've given to the interiorart records stated in the book itself, either as a titled caption or on a list of illustrations, or are they descriptions? Mhhutchins 23:14, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * The ones that didn't have names I just called The Wind [n]Ofearna 23:17, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Unless titled, interiorart records should be given the title of the work they illustrate, in this case "The Wind Between the Stars". Mhhutchins 04:12, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I tried, and now MartyD has it on hold, so we'll see... Ofearna 17:35, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Because you misspelled the title as "The Wind Betewen the Stars". Mhhutchins 18:40, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll cancel and re-do. Thanks!Ofearna 19:44, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


 * A belated apology about this. I put it and some other submissions on hold and ran out of time for leaving notes (%^&*$@ work).  By the time I went back, I didn't find this one anymore and didn't exactly remember what submission was no longer there....  --MartyD 11:34, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

BioHeader
When you created this page, you failed to heed the notice about retaining the header. Now there's no link back to the author's page. Please follow the instructions when creating Bio and Author wiki pages from the links on author's database pages. Mhhutchins 22:51, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Did you fix it? It's on the ISFDB (not wiki) Michelle West page... Thanks. Ofearna 23:03, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


 * The page you created is on the wiki, not the database. This page is also on the wiki, as are all user pages, talk pages, help pages, etc. They are part of the database. The ISFDB wiki and the ISFDB database constitute two distinct parts of the ISFDB website.
 * If you go to the Michelle Page bio page that you created on the wiki, you'll see that there is no link back to Michelle West's summary page on the database. By removing the header, you removed the automatic link back to the database page. For comparison, look at this wiki Bio page (which was created a couple of days ago) and look at the Bio header at the top of the page which links back to the author's summary page on the database. Mhhutchins 00:03, 17 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Did that fix it to the way you want? Ofearna 16:18, 17 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Yep, that did it. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:30, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Powerborn: Book One of the Zarryiostrom
I approved your submission adding contents to this pub. However, the same submission changed the title of contents #[6] from "Princess Tais of Illymar — In the Tower" to "r — In the Tower". Could you look at this again? --Willem H. 09:44, 18 May 2012 (UTC)


 * YES... AFTER THE TWEAK I JUST PUT THROUGH IS APPROVED. D'oh! Ofearna 09:52, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Fantasy Art Masters
I accepted your submission to update this record, but according to your notes and the numberline you entered, your copy is a second printing, published in 2000. Once you've finished updating the record, if you're going to add more contents, please clone it and recreate the record for the October 1999 first printing. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:14, 24 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Can do.Ofearna 20:17, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Susan Seddon Boulet: A Retrospective
You submission to update this record created four records for identically-titled short stories and two interiorart records for the same title. Each record will have to be disambiguated in order to avoid an editor mistakenly merging them. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:54, 24 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm gonna add the illustrations then I can match them with the right ones.Ofearna 20:59, 24 May 2012 (UTC)


 * That response is a non-sequitur. Are there four short stories titled "Buffalo Gals Won't You Come Out Tonight"? If so, you'll have to change the title fields by adding a number, as in "Buffalo Gals Won't You Come Out Tonight [2]" and "Buffalo Gals Won't You Come Out Tonight [3]". Mhhutchins 23:02, 24 May 2012 (UTC)


 * These illustrations refer to the Le Guin written Boulet illustrated chapterbook of the novelette. Ofearna 05:50, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Symphonie Macabre
This record's given ISBN is an invalid number. Also, please give the source of your data in the note field. This should be second nature by now. Mhhutchins 21:04, 24 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I sourced it from Charles' site, then found the record at amazon.fr.Ofearna 21:10, 24 May 2012 (UTC)


 * So will you be updating the record to add your sources? I'm holding three submissions, and none have them have been sourced. Also, one of them (for a French edition of From a Whisper to a Scream) is dated two years before de Lint's birth. Mhhutchins 22:59, 24 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Must've been a typo, sorry. I'll update with OCLC and everything as soon as they're not pending. Ofearna 03:56, 25 May 2012 (UTC)


 * One of your edits changes the ISBN to 978-2-266-06095-0 (the ISBN13). I changed this to the ISBN10 (2-266-06095-3) that was used back in 1994. --Willem H. 06:53, 25 May 2012 (UTC)


 * The Worldcat.org OCLC entry had the 13 and the 10 was shown as invalid, so I tried it...Ofearna 16:57, 25 May 2012 (UTC)


 * The ISBN 10 was invalid, because Charles de Lint's website has the wrong number (2-266-14135-7). Worldcat and Amazon.fr show both ISBN 10 and 13. The point is, that the ISBN 13 wasn't used before 2007, so it shouldn't be entered for pubs published before 2007. See the helpscreen, the entered number is shown on the year listing of the publisher. --Willem H. 19:18, 25 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks! ^_^ Ofearna 19:24, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Midnight Sun / Shaman: The Paintings of Susan Seddon Boulet
I'm holding a submission that wants to make this INTERIORART title a variant of this NONFICTION title. Probably not what you wanted. Can you look at this again? Thanks, --Willem H. 06:57, 25 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Just the cover art... Ofearna 16:59, 25 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I thought so. If you look at the Susan Seddon Boulet bibliography, you'll see two cover art records for "Shaman: The Paintings of Susan Seddon Boulet". If the illustrations are the same, they can be merged, and the "Midnight Sun" interior art record can be made a variant of the result. Do you want to try this? --Willem H. 19:28, 25 May 2012 (UTC)


 * No the harback and trade paperback each had different covers; I'll merge it with the correct one now that I've cancelled that original merge. Thanks.Ofearna 19:30, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Covers for A Dark Way to Glory and A Song for Arbonne
Hi. I have your proposed variant relationship for these two on hold. Without seeing the other cover, it's hard to tell if this is accurate or not. The only image I could find is this on Amazon, supposedly for the hardcover, and clearly not the same artwork. Do you have some other source that would help? Thanks. --MartyD 11:50, 26 May 2012 (UTC)


 * There will be 3 Howe covers for A Song for Arbonne. The Hardcover (not this one), the first paperback, which was the original cover with changes and this one ... 2nd UK Paperback.  Gerard Gauci is the cover artist for the one you found. Ofearna 12:03, 26 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, but now that you've updated the images, the art still isn't the same. The submission would make what's currently shown as this for A Dark Way to Glory a variant of what you have uploaded as  this for A Song for Arbonne.  Sorry if I'm being dense -- no coffee yet this morning.  --MartyD 12:53, 26 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll cancel it and merge with the correct Howe cover for Arbonne.Ofearna 12:54, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Cover for Ring of Words
I have your proposed cover change for on hold. Are you sure yours is the same book? While not authoritative, this Amazon Look Inside shows the blue-and-white cover in conjunction with a 1st printing copyright page for that ISBN and publisher combination. Thanks. --MartyD 12:12, 26 May 2012 (UTC)


 * That's actually the inner cover that's reproduced in B&W as the title page. I had it from the library.Ofearna 12:19, 26 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks. --MartyD 12:54, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Explaining notes to users
The data that you've started to add to pub record's notes have very little meaning to the average user unless you explain what it is. For example in this record:

PZ7.H67567St 2003 [Fic] ▬ dc21 2003005029

Most people wouldn't recognize this as being part of the CiP data. Some editors enter the LCCN, and many of us link it to the LoC's record, because this adds value to the ISFDB record. But what use is the Library of Congress Call Number and Dewey Decimal number? And even if you feel they're of some use, you should label them for those who aren't familiar with them. To many people, it's just a jumble of characters with no meaning at all. Mhhutchins 04:25, 29 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, on those books that include that info on the copyright page, I'll start labeling them (or would you rather I just omit them?).Ofearna 04:29, 29 May 2012 (UTC)


 * That's up to you, but when was the last time you needed to know a Call Number or a book's Dewey Decimal number? Mhhutchins 05:08, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Carnelians
What is the meaning of "pages by Joh Freeman" in this record? Mhhutchins 04:27, 29 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I have *no* idea; it was on the copyright page.Ofearna 04:28, 29 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I would suggest not adding data to an ISFDB record that you're unfamiliar with. When I'm updating or creating a record, and if there's data I don't understand, and the "casual" user of the database wouldn't either, I leave it alone. Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:07, 29 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Took it out.Ofearna 00:03, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Transluminal / To Hold Infinity
I rejected your edit to make this NONFICTION title a variant of this COVERART title. Instead I varianted the COVERART title of Transluminal. --Willem H. 08:30, 29 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Perfect! sorry, usually it works and occasionally it doesn't.  confusing.Ofearna 17:39, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Dustcovers
Can you confirm that the publisher credit given on the title page of this publication is "DC/Vertigo" [sic]? The ISBN range belongs to Titan. If so, it should be entered as "Vertigo / DC Comics", the ISFDB designation for this publisher. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 19:24, 29 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I have *no idea* who Titan is... these were published by the DC Comics Vertigo imprint, like the Sandman books.  maybe Titan is the printer for Vertigo?  You can actually see the Vertigo logo on the scan, tho...Ofearna 21:20, 29 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm assuming you have a copy of the book, so...back to the original question: can you confirm that the publisher credit given on the title page is "DC/Vertigo"? That configuration is not currently used on any other ISFDB record. Titan is a UK publisher of comic books and novels that are mostly media-related (Star Trek, Star Wars, video-game novelizations, etc.) If you click on the Worldcat link on the book's publication record, you'll see that the OCLC record gives the publisher as Titan. And both Amazon and Amazon.uk give the publisher as Titan. So now I hope you understand why I'm asking you to check the title page in order to determine who the publisher of record is. That's nothing to do with the publisher given on the front cover of the book. We only use dustjacket credits if there are no other credits stated in the book itself. Mhhutchins 22:46, 29 May 2012 (UTC)


 * It says published by DC/Vertigo printed & distributed by Titan, so I'd stick with DC/Vertigo?Ofearna 00:03, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I can't say. Do me a favor when you get a chance: scan the title page and upload it to the server. Then link the image file to this discussion. That's the only way I can determine how the record should be credited. Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:39, 30 May 2012 (UTC)