User talk:RUSSWOTHE

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Last Theorem
Indeed you do have an SFBC edition. They quit using "Book Club Edition" on the dustjacket in 1988. If you go back to the page where you found the edition you left the note for, the third listing down is for the SFBC edition. The ID # is one from the catalog sent out to members. We prefer to have the SFBC # that you cited from the back of the jacket. Please edit that record [put the number from your copy in the field where the catalog # now is], and indicate in the Note to Moderator that you are working from a copy of the book. It would help, too, if you Verify the record when you're done. Thanks! And again, welcome. --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:40, 8 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Responding to a post isn't always easy the first time. Just click on the [edit] button to the right. A page will open that you can type in a response from. At the top of the window is a line of icons. The second last one [looks like a squiggle] is a 'signature'. Clicking on that after you've typed in a response [and indent using a colon, one extra for each response, makes the posting set up like a series of 'steps'] will'sign' and time-stamp the response. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:40, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

The Last Theorem by Clarke & Pohl
Your copy is a book club edition. For the past couple of decades, the SFBC edition retains the copyright page of the trade edition, including the ISBN. Their editions do not have a printed price (where the trade edition will have a printed price on the front inside flap of the dustjacket). And they have an identification number on the back of the dustjacket, usually at the bottom in a white box. You can update this record for the SFBC edition by changing the ISBN/Catalog # field to the number on the back of your copy (#1262697, be sure to add the number sign) and then move the catalog number to the note field. You should also note that this edition retains the ISBN of the trade edition (but don't put that number in the ISBN/Catalog # field). If you need any assistance, you can ask here on your user talk page, by clicking on the [edit] link to the right of this message. Write your message in the dialogue box that opens, end your message with four tildes (~) which will sign and date it, and then click "Save Page". You can also ask any questions at the Help Desk. Thanks for contributing. Mhhutchins 23:42, 8 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry for this second response that repeats the same instructions. I assumed that since I was the moderator who handled the submission that I should be the one to respond to your question.  Never mind. Mhhutchins 23:47, 8 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Your submission adding the SFBC ID number was accepted, but you failed to move the SFBC catalog number to the note field. I did it for you.  In order to do a primary verification of the record, click the "Verify This Pub" link under "Editing Tools" menu.  On the next page, click on the center bullet of the "Primary" line. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:40, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Gutter code for the SFBC ed. of They'd Rather Be Right
Your submission adding the gutter code to this record was accepted, but altered to be less personal. Please do a primary verification of the record when you get a chance. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:35, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

The Overman Culture
You asked in a submission's "Note to Moderator": "My Copy of this book is as listed. Gutter Code C 26 Does this put the print date before the copyright date ??" Actually, the best place to ask questions is at the Help Desk. Submissions to update a record should be used to make changes in the record.

Now to your question: It's possible that a book can be copyrighted in one year, but published at the end of the previous year. Or even more likely, a book can be copyrighted at the end of one year, and published in the next year. That's why we only rarely use the copyright year as the publication date. It can be used only if all secondary sources have been exhausted. Does your copy of The Overman Culture have a copyright date later than the record's publication date? Mhhutchins 00:37, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

BTW: "C26" indicates a printing in June 1972 and the first edition (the UK Hodder & Stoughton edition) was published in November 1971. The first US edition was published by Putnam in April 1972. Normally, it would be copyrighted in 1971. Mhhutchins 00:42, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Using the "Note to Moderator" field
Several of your submissions have not updated the actual record, but are merely notes in the "Note to Moderator" field. This field is only used to give the moderator additional information that will help in determining whether the submission should be accepted. This note does not become a visible part of the publication record. If you want the data to be part of the record, you should use the "Note" field. For example, the information you gave in the submission to update the SFBC printing of Gods of the Greataway (that there is no gutter code) did not become part of the record because it was entered into the wrong field. Also, don't use the field to ask questions, because we're unable to respond to them using the database submission system. We use the ISFDB wiki to handle all such communication between editors. I've sent an email to the address you gave in your registration so hopefully you'll eventually be able to read and respond to the messages that are being left on your talk page. Mhhutchins 01:05, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

The Best of Lester del Rey
I changed the note you added to this record from "# "2215" missing from my copy" to "The ID number (2215) is missing from some later reprints". Data should not be personalized, especially if the record has been primary verified by another editor, as it will lead the user to assume the note refers to the verifier's copy. Can you look to see if there is any ID number printed on the back of the dustjacket? Circa 1980 the numbers were moved from the inside flap to the back, usually printed in a white box (but not always). Also reprints from the late 80s added a leading zero to the old ID numbers to create a five-digit ID number. Thanks for looking. Also, it would help to do an additional primary verfication of the record (in the Primary3 location). Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:36, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Starting new lines in the note field
Please keep in mind that a simple keyboard return in the Note field will not create a new line in the visible record display. You have to use HTML to start a new line. Place  at the end of the previous line and this will make the following text appear on a new line. Mhhutchins 22:41, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Linking an uploaded image to the pub record
Once you've uploaded a cover image to the ISFDB server, you're only halfway finished. You have to then update the record and add the URL of the image into the record's Image URL field. For example, update this this record by adding this URL  http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/7/7c/THNTRPLRVX1982.jpg  into the Image URL field. This is the URL of the image that you uploaded to the ISFDB server earlier today. You get the URL by right clicking on the image and copying the URL and then paste it into the field of a record update. Or you can left click on the image which will load it into your browser. Then just copy the URL in the browser's URL address window. Mhhutchins 04:22, 13 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The URL is the address that appears in your web browser's address window. It usually appears as  http://www.xxxx.xxx/  but some browsers hide the "http://" part. If you highlight that address (URL) with your mouse (left click), you can copy it (right click or CTRL+C) and then paste it (right click or CTRL+V) into the ISFDB record's field labeled "Image URL"(that's the field that comes after the "Add Artist" button on all pub edit screens.) Hope this helps.  If not, just ask and I can give you step by step instructions.  You'll only need to know the minimum about computers in order to follow them. Mhhutchins 00:06, 17 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I've linked each of the images you've uploaded to its pub record. Mhhutchins 01:42, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

SFBC data
Since all of your submissions [so far] have been for Book Club editions, thought you might be interested in our [SFBC] page and also the page on [Gutter Codes]. Thanks for contributing! --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:54, 18 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Please note that the Gutter codes were not used past late 1987. --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:14, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Image uploads
Your last few image uploads have contained some extraneous data, and I'm not sure how it got there. I'm having to remove the data and then link the image to the record (something that editors should do, not moderators.) When you use the "Upload Cover Scan" link from the publication record are you adding additional information in the Summary box? In most cases, all you have to do is click the "Choose File" button, then choose the file from your hard drive and then click on "Upload File". All the information required is already in the Summary box. It would be nice if you could respond, yes or no, to the question. Your talk page is the best means of communication between editors and moderators. All you have to do is click on the [edit] link to the right of this message and then, in the box that opens, write your response below my message, sign the message with four tildes (or click on the signature tab) and then save the page. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:30, 21 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Don't know if this is part of the problem but I started using Internet explorer 9 a month ago. I think it's full of "bugs"... When I send a picture I sometimes get a screen with " this page could not be desplayed." And the picture I sent is not shown. I have then resent it. This might be the extraneous data ?? I will now only send a picture ONE time. --RUSSWOTHE 20:59, 21 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Let's hope that's it. I'll check the next upload to see if anything's different. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:39, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

SFBC edition of Heinlein's Job
I accepted the submission adding "Gutter Code "O 41" Page 311. Oct. 7 1984." to the notes of this record, but I wonder where the date "Oct. 7 1984" came from. I believe you may have a copy that was printed for one of the other Doubleday book clubs. The gutter code would indicate a printing in the 41st week of 1984 (October), but it wasn't a SFBC selection until June 1985. We don't create a separate record for earlier Doubleday book club printings, but we do like to record that information. Did you get "Oct. 7 1984" from another source or are you using the gutter code for the date? Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:52, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes I am using the gutter code to establish the date. The code is from page 311 O41. The bottom inside of the dust cover showes "Book Club Edition" The bottom right of the outside of the back of the dust jacket shows 5620 but not in a box. The copyright page list "A Del Rey Book Published by Ballantine Books" Copyright 1984

Continuing problems with your image uploads
Your two latest uploads have the same problems as I pointed out in my message above. Look at the Artist section on and. Again, I have to ask: are you entering anything into the Summary box of the "Upload file" screen? (That's the screen that comes up whenever you click the "Upload Cover Scan" link on the publication record's page.) Otherwise I can't explain why this extraneous data is becoming part of the uploaded file's wiki page. It looks like something to do with the Artist Category creation template. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 01:31, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Many apologies... I have just re-read your instructions on sending the "URL" and I have been doing it wrong. I have been putting it in the Summary Box.. This should no longer be a problem.

Russ Wothe --RUSSWOTHE 05:03, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

How to upload images to the ISFDB

 * 1) Go to the record of the book whose cover you already have an image file for on your computer's hard drive.  For example go to Heretics of Dune.
 * 2) Click on the link at the bottom titled "Upload cover scan". This will open a new tab or window on your internet browser.
 * 3) This new window/tab/screen is titled "Upload File". Click on the button titled "Choose File". This will open up a new window showing files on your computer. You may have to browse through your computer in order to find the image file for the cover you want to upload (in this case, look for the file on your computer for Heretics of Dune.) When you've found the file click "Open", which will add the source filename to the "Upload File" page of the ISFDB.
 * 4) Do not write anything in the box titled "Summary" on the "Upload File" page. Just click the button titled "Upload File".
 * 5) After a few moments, depending on the size of the file and the speed of your connection, you will be sent to the newly created Wiki page for the file you just uploaded. Each file has its own Wiki page.
 * 6) Click on the image you just uploaded. (In the example shown above you should see the cover image of Heretics of Dune, so click on that image.) This will send you to the internet address (URL) of the image. This page contains only the image.
 * 7) Copy the URL (internet address) which appears in the URL address display bar of your browser. It looks something like  http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/N/NN/XXXXXXXNNNN.jpg  (N represents numbers and X represents letter. Some internet browsers may not display "http://" in front of the address, but it will become visible once you've copied it.) Copy this URL (address), using your regular text copying procedure. (I highlight the text, right click and choose "Copy" from the menu that pops up. You can also hit the "CTRL" (control) key and the "C" key at the same time which will also copy the text.)
 * 8) Go back to the ISFDB record of the book for which you just uploaded of the image. In this example go back to Heretics of Dune. Click on the link under the "Editing Tools" menu on the left side of the screen titled "Edit This Pub", which leads you to the edit screen.
 * 9) Go down to the field titled "Image URL" (just below the "Add Artist" button.) Paste the file image's URL (address) you just copied into this field. (Either right click in the space and then choose "Paste" from the menu, or hit CTRL + V in the field.) This should enter the URL that looks something like  http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/N/NN/XXXXXXXNNNN.jpg .
 * 10) Go to the bottom of the page and click the "Submit Data" button. Once a moderator has looked over the submission and accepted it, you will see the image now displayed on the ISFDB record of the book.

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask them here. Mhhutchins 16:16, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

The Butlerian Jihad
You seem to have gotten the first part of uploading images. The second part, linking them to the ISFDB record, is still a problem. In the submission to link the image to this record you entered the URL as  http://wwhttp://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/c/cc/THBTLRNJHB2002.jpgw.isfdb.org/wiki/images/f/fb/BTLRNJHD2002.jpg .

It should be entered as  http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/c/cc/THBTLRNJHB2002.jpg .

It looks like you pasted the URL of the image you just uploaded inside the URL that was already in the field. You should have replaced the old URL with the new one, or emptied the field first before pasting the new URL into it. I'll make the correction. Mhhutchins 19:07, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

When I send the picture I still somtimes get an internet error about showing the picture back to me. If I resend it everything then works. The picture is showen and I can click on it. I hope you are not getting two copies of the picture. As the box can not show the whole "URL" I made a bad assumption that it had been loaded automaticly. The Last effort I picked up on that and emptied the box first. These last pictures are of "Book Club Editions" with changes in lettering and some color dif. Russ Wothe--RUSSWOTHE 21:21, 26 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The last one worked (for The Battle of Corrin). The one for The Machine Crusade had the same problem. The URL was entered into the one that was already in the field.  You have to clear the field before you enter the new URL. Please do the one for The Machine Crusade again.  You can find past uploaded images by going to the File List. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:51, 26 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The last two submissions adding image links are good. Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:59, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

More problems with image uploads
I've noticed in the past couple of days that you're bypassing the semi-automated system of uploading images from the publication record, and loading them directly to the server using the Wiki "Upload File" tool. Here's a list of files that you've uploaded in this method:


 * 1) Cauldron
 * 2) The Wanderer
 * 3) Two-Handed Engine
 * 4) The World and Thorinn

If you look at the wiki pages for these images (linked here for your convenience) you'll see that none of them have the license tag which is automatically generated when you use the "Upload cover scan" link on the publication record page. It is this license tag that protects us against charges of copyright infringement for the artwork uploaded to the ISFDB server. Look at the "Fair Use" statements that are attached to. Because you uploaded the four above images directly to the wiki, these tags will have to be entered manually using one of the Fair Use templates. You also see that the file names for those four images are rather generic and could be easily duplicated by later uploads. Using the "Upload cover scan" method, the system automatically names the file with the same auto-generated tag of the record for the book whose cover image you're uploading. Was there any particular reason why you chose to change the way you're uploading images to the server? Otherwise please return to uploading the images from the pub record. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask here on your user talk page. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:53, 2 January 2012 (UTC)


 * It looks like you uploaded the image for Cauldron twice. First using the pub record method (here) and then soon afterward you used the wiki upload method (here). Note the difference between the two. I've accepted the submission adding the first image to the pub record. Mhhutchins 23:13, 2 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I have had to enter most of the pictures twice. I now see that the second entry is under a different format. The second entry is do to no picture being shown to click on to get and copy the url. What I would get was a error pop-up screen saying the page could not be desplayed. After clearing the error page I would re-send the the picture from that page. I would always get the picture to show the second time. I have just sent the picture of the book " The Turtle Moves " and everything went without a hitch. No error message.... In the future I will re-start from the (Upload New Cover Scan) page if I get any errors. --RUSSWOTHE 19:45, 3 January 2012 (UTC)


 * The latest upload (The Turtle Moves) looks good, so whatever you did this time works. I don't know what may have caused the errors, so I suggest not using the "Upload File" function on the wiki page. I will go back and add license tags to the four images that were directly uploaded to the wiki. I'll also try to figure out what to do with the file names. It may be best if I simply copy the images, delete them from the wiki, and then re-upload them from the pub records. Mhhutchins 20:29, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Bad URL
I had to reject the submission adding a link to the cover image of this record. Here is the URL that you gave in the field:

 http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Upload?wpDestFile=THBRMLDJBK1993.jpg&wpUploadDescription= .

This is not a properly formed URL so I'm not sure where you got it. It looks like you may have copied the summary field of the upload form, before the image was uploaded from your computer to the ISFDB server. There is no record that you've actually uploaded the image file to the ISFDB server yet. Once the file is on our server you should copy the file's URL. This is what goes into the Image URL field when you update the publication record.

Please follow the step-by-step above instructions. Mhhutchins 21:06, 8 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I have located an image, uploaded it to the ISFDB server, and linked it to the record. Please see if it matches your book. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:13, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes that is the picture I up-loaded. After I up-load a picture I am to see it displayed make a copy of the URL paste it into the URL bos and send it. Most of the time I don't see the picture but get an error message saying that it can not be desplayed. Then sometimes if I resend it everything works. If the URL box has anything showing in it I will erase it before I copy my URL information. --RUSSWOTHE 22:36, 8 January 2012 (UTC)


 * If you're not seeing the image, you should re-set your preferences:
 * Click on the "My Preferences" link at the top of any wiki page.
 * Click on the "Files" tab on the next screen.
 * In the drop-down menu next to "Limit images on file description pages to:" choose "10000x10000px".
 * In the drop-down menu next to "Thumbnail size" choose "300px".
 * Click on the "Save" button.
 * You should now see every image regardless of its size. (But don't send files larger than 600px tall or 150kb in size, unless you're scanning a wraparound cover.) BTW, the image for "The Bromeliad" is the one I uploaded. If you look at the list of uploaded files, you'll see that yours wasn't uploaded. Mhhutchins 23:55, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Lords and Ladies
You can add the cover art credit to the record by editing it. You'd place it into the "Artist1" field. In this case enter "Jael". Also, please do a primary verification of any record that you update. If you don't have a copy of the book you should record the source of your data in the "Note" field. (Here's how to verify a publication record.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:18, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Updating records to add cover images and notes
Just in case you're not aware, you can add a cover image and notes in the same submission to update the pub record. You can also add data that's missing from any other field, such as the cover artist. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:42, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Monstrous Regiment
The update you want to make to this record shows that your copy is a second 2003 printing with the number line: "03 04 05 06 07 /RRD 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2" In this case, you should clone the original record, creating a new one for the second printing. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:23, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Pushing Ice
I had to reject your edit to the first printing of "Pushing Ice". You wanted to add a note saying "Second printing by number line 10-3". First, this information should not be added to the 1st printing, second, the numberline "10-3" means it's a third printing, and last we already have records for the 2nd and 3rd printings. Thanks for trying anyway. --Willem H. 10:14, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Stone
Hello, I also had to reject your edit for this pub as what you described in it was for a second printing (perhaps that one). You should "clone" the pub (see the fourth item in the "Editing Tools" menu) instead of try to modify an existing (and verified) one. Hauck 19:07, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

The More Than Complete Hitchhiker's Guide
I approved your submission, but in order to attain this result, I had to correct the publisher (there were two spaces between "Wings" and "Books"), the ISBN (you entered an ISBN-10 like an ISBN-13 which leads to a bad checksum) and the format ("hc" instead of "Hard Cover"). Hauck 22:09, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Number: 10851845
The first four digits correspond to the date as in 10/85, the last four are the price [for some reason Simon Schuster changed the one digit from '9' to '5' on all the covers where this number appeared; not sure if they were the only ones....] --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:11, 15 January 2012 (UTC)


 * MANY THANKS... I AM FILING ALL MY BOOKS AND ANY INFO THAT I CAN ENTER INTO THE COMPUTER PROGRAM I'M USING HELPS.--RUSSWOTHE 23:52, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

SFBC edition of Pratchett's Unseen Academical
I have the submission to update this record with a note that "Catalog ID# 1282941 would indicate a second SFBC printing". There is no way after 1987 to identify later printings of SFBC editions. If the SFBC ID number changes, it is considered a new edition and requires the creation of a new record. Does your copy of this book have the number "1282941" printed on the back of the dustjacket? If so, this is the ID number and you should replace the SFBC catalog number "#17-3209" in the ISBN/Catalog# field with the number that's printed on the back of your dustjacket. Then record the catalog number (#17-3209) in the note field. It is understood that the catalog number is not actually stated anywhere in the book itself, but comes from the SFBC website and/or printed catalog (the source of the current record before your submission to update it).

You will find that there are hundreds of records for SFBC editions in the database for which we don't have the ID number. This is because no one has actual copies in order to record and verify the ID number. In its place we've recorded the SFBC catalog number with the hope that eventually they'll be replaced with the actual ID number. Lately I've noticed that the SFBC catalog number is the same as the ID number with an additional digit at the end and a dropping of the dash. I'm not sure when this numbering system began but with enough editors verifying SFBC printings, we'll be able to determine not only when it started but have enough information to determine how these two numbers are related (which is the exact process we used to build the gutter code and ID number database in the SFBC book listings.) I'm going to accept the submission and ask that you update it as requested above if it's determined that the ID number should be placed into the ISBN/Catalog# field. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:01, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * The change has been made. I will keep an eye out for this in any other books I research. --RUSSWOTHE 15:15, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I would also suggest that you do a primary verification of any record that you've updated for books that you own. This keeps the moderators from questioning any changes you make to the record and allows users of the database know that the record is reliable because the info is from the primary source. Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:19, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

The Ghost Brigades
I accepted the submission adding the seventh printing of this title, but changed the date of the publication. The first date (2006-03-00) was for the first printing, so the date of your printing (0000-00-00) is entered to indicate the date as unknown. Mhhutchins 20:48, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I just noticed that there already is a record for the seventh printing of The Ghost Brigades, so I'm going to delete the record that you created. Mhhutchins 20:49, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Up Till Now
Accepted the submission to add [this] to the database but had to make some changes. Think this is your first new title submission? That's good as you got all the mistakes out of the way right off the bat!! ;-)) Date was entered just as 2008 but the notes and copyright page say "May 2008" so I added that. [Amazon has a 'Look-Inside' for this book so I can see the copyright page]. Changed the publisher to 'Thomas Dunne Books / St. Martin's Press', also from the copyright page. You had 'Thomasdunnbooks' as one 'word', perhaps from the website given on the copyright page? The ISBN field gets the number only, do not add anything else! The software doesn't recognize the 'extras' and makes the whole thing an odd looking catalog #. The price field gets one price only, whether there are two/three/or more [British editions sometimes have six or more!]. In this case the US price [without adding 'US' before or after]. There are currently four countries using '$' currency. The US gets no additional designation [it's been the 'default' $ designate]. Then there's Canada, Australia and New Zealand. If a book was printed/distributed primarily in one of the three then the price in the field would be done as such: C$XX.XX or A$XX.XX OR NZ$XX.XX. When an edition has extra prices those are mentioned in the notes, either by country and then price or by initial and price [not both as that's redundant]. Thus the notes would read $XX.XX in Canada; $XX.XX in Australia; £XX.XX in the UK; etc. "Design" can sometimes be considered as artwork, but here the front page is just a photograph, so the design is probably just for the typography [not what we consider to be 'artwork']. That can be mentioned in the notes but in this case not in the artist field. The title was in all-caps, and though it appears that way on the copyright page we still just capitalize the first letter of each word. The only words we don't capitalize are prepositions [a list is [here] ]. The only time a 'word' is all-caps is if it is an acronym [NASA comes to mind]. I also added an image. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 05:09, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

SFBC printing of The World Inside
I'm going to reject the submission updating this record to add this note: ''Gutter Code "K20" indicates a printing in May 1969. Copyright page shows copyright dates 1970,1971. '' It's impossible for a work first published in May 1971 to have a book edition printed in May 1969. If you look closer at the explanation for the letter part of a gutter code, you'll see that the books were printed on several different presses, each with their individual sequence of gutter codes. On the first press, "K" was used in 1969, but on the second press, the same letter was used in 1980. You will also note in the instructions: Because of this conflict, you may need to look at the copyright date to determine if the publication is coded using the first or second letter sequence. In your case, we can be pretty certain that "K20" was printed in May 1980. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:47, 17 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry: I should have figured that myself. I have re-submited.--RUSSWOTHE 22:21, 17 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Submission accepted. BTW, if you use a colon to separate your responses from the previous message, it makes reading the messages easier.  Also, add a colon to the number that was used in the previous message.  Look at the raw text of this message to get the idea. Thanks. Mhhutchins 01:09, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Easton Press edition of City
I amended the note you added to this record to make it clear that the story titles given in the record are correct, based on current ISFDB standards of taking content titles from the page on which they begin, not the contents page. Mhhutchins 23:22, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

ISBN 13
Holding a submission to add one to the '71 Putnam edition of 'Third Ear'. ISBN-13s weren't used until after 2000 and Putnam was one of the very last US publishers to even start using ISBN-10s [Walker was another hold-out]. Do you have an edition with the ISBN-13 or is it coming from somewhere else? --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:29, 23 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I found this ISBN number using Abebooks. When I used it to download information about the book it seemed to show the correct book.

No I do not have a book showing this number. --RUSSWOTHE 21:40, 23 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Kind of what I figured. There are thousands of ISBNs out there attached to publications that never had any or were only assigned to much later printings [Amazon is awful for that!]. As much [or little at times] as such 'assignments' aid in searches, the number still doesn't [and couldn't in this case] exist in/on the book. It didn't even get published with an ISBN-10 the first time. For instance no ISBN will bring up this edition on OCLC or the Library of Congress. I'm all for the searchability aspect but if anything gets added to notes that isn't in the book it should be explained. Here, maybe something like "An ISBN of xxxxx will search on Amazon and AbeBooks but is not in the book"?? Personally, I use such but never add them to the notes. --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:23, 23 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Not a problem. In the future if it isn't in my book I will not add it. --RUSSWOTHE 23:26, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Creating records for new titles vs. adding publications
When you use the "Add New Novel" function, you create both a new publication record and a new title record. (As you did in your submission to create a record for the Whitman edition of H. G. Wells' The War of the Worlds.) But if you know the title is already in the database (as obviously the Wells' work is), you should go to the title record and use the "Add Publication to This Title" function under the Editing Tools menu. By using the first function you've created a duplicate title. I'll merge it with the existing title record so that the Whitman edition will appear with all of the other books published under this title. Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:35, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Robopocalypse
If the last numbered page of this book is 347, you should update the record, giving the correct page count in the appropriate field, and then remove the note about the pagination as being unnecessary. Also, please do a primary verification for records that you're updating if the source of your data is the book itself. It would be really appreciated. Otherwise you should record the source of your data in the note field. Mhhutchins 20:04, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Notifying primary verifiers of changes to records
If you make changes in a verified record you should notify the primary verifier by leaving a message on their talk pages (their user page is linked to their name in the verified section below the publication record's data). Editors have varying levels of notification which are usually stated in a message at the top of their talk page. The notification of most minor changes (adding or linking cover cover, adding new notes) can be made after the submission, but notification of major changes (making changes in any field other than the note or cover URL field) should be made before making a submission that changes a verified record. This etiquette is explained in one of the help pages linked to the welcome section at the top of your user talk page. I will let the verifier know that you added a gutter code to this record and ask if it matches his copy. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:00, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

SFBC ed. of Cat's Cradle
What is the source for the gutter code you added to this record? You can save the moderator much work in accepting your submissions if you would 1) do a primary verification of the record or 2) record the source for your data in the note field. Either way it's just a few more strokes on the keyboard. This would be greatly appreciated. Mhhutchins 23:06, 1 February 2012 (UTC)


 * This gutter code was found on the right side ( odd number ) page number 233 at the bottom left side of the page. This page has a short (50 words) Bio. on the author. --RUSSWOTHE 23:33, 1 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Please do a primary verification or update the record to note that the data is from the book itself. Mhhutchins 00:06, 2 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry but this is beyond anything I have done. I am at a loss as how to proceed...--RUSSWOTHE 17:17, 2 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Here's a link to the help page that explains how to verify data. But basically, when you do a primary verification of a record, you're saying that you have a copy of the book, and the ISFDB record is an accurate reflection of the data in the book. There's a link on every publication record's page to "Verify This Pub" (under the editing tools menu). If you click on that link, you're taken to a page that lists the different ways a record can be verified.  If you have a copy of the book click the middle button (under "Verified") of the first line (marked "Primary") and then submit. The record is then marked as primary verified with your user name and the date that you verified the record. This is not mandatory, but otherwise  you may have to deal with moderators who are going to ask you where you got the information when you're updating records. If we see that you've primary verified the record, we know your data is from the book itself. Otherwise you should record in the note field the source of your data. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:44, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Primary2 Verification
Only use Primary2 verification if the first slot (Primary) has already been used by another editor. There is no need to do both if you've done the first (as here). Also, you made two sequential submissions to update the note field of this record. You should always wait until the first is accepted before making another one, as the changes in the second one will obliterate those of the first, if the changes are in the same field. I've gone back and added the note you made in the first. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:03, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Adding or correcting the page numbering of contents
I saw the note in your submission to update this pub that "the last entry in the contents listing should be page # 209.", but you didn't actually update the record. Remember anything you add in the "Note to Moderator" field is not a visible part of the record. Changing page numbering is a rather simple process. Click on "Edit This Pub" (just like when you added the note), go down to the content record you want to change, remove the old number by entering the new one, then submit. Mhhutchins 20:38, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I thought that was how I should do it but I didn't know if it would then re-paginate to place it in sequnce. --RUSSWOTHE 15:45, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I thought that was how I should do it but I didn't know if it would then re-paginate to place it in sequnce. --RUSSWOTHE 15:45, 8 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Please make a submission correcting the page numbering. Mhhutchins 16:30, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Masterpieces: The Best Science Fiction of the Twentieth Century
I'm rejecting the submission to edit this record, which is for the first printing. Your copy is a fourth printing, based on the note that you wanted to add to the record, and should have an individual record of its own. This is easily done: go to the record of the first printing (linked above) and click on "Clone This Pub" under the Editing Tools menu. On the next screen, remove the data from the year field and change it to 0000-00-00, which means the publication date is not stated. Then remove the note in the note field and add your own about the number line and the printing. Then go down to the Contents section and add the page numbers for each story. This is the first page of each story (don't use the contents page as they are occasionally wrong.) And then submit. You'll need to remove your primary verification of the first printing's record and do one for the fourth printing after the submission has been accepted. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:36, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Asking questions on the ISFDB
If you have any questions about a book or author, it's best to ask them on the Community Portal. If you need help about editing the database, post a message at the Help Desk. Submissions to update records should actually make changes in the record. The "Note to Moderator" field should not be used to ask questions. It's intended to give the moderator additional information to help him decide whether or not to accept the submission. In fact, he's the only person who sees it. Asking on one of the community pages opens it up for many more people to respond. I've posted the question you asked about The Secret of the Martian Moons on the Community Portal. Check back there in a couple of hours and there may be someone who knows the answer. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:35, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Cover image for New Dimensions 3
I'm not sure what's happening, but it looks like you've been double uploading cover images. Look at the bottom of the wiki page for. It shows that you uploaded the same image twice: the first time at 12:16, 11 February 2012, and another one seven minutes later. Is it because you're not seeing the image you uploaded? It's possible that you haven't cleared your computer's cache and you're seeing the older image. You should hit "F5" on your keyboard to clear the cache, and then you should see the image you uploaded. In this case, I'm not sure why you uploaded a new image. The original image is a larger and cleaner one. The only thing it lacks is the spine and in this case, there's no artwork on the spine so it's unnecessary to have it as part of the image. That's your call, or course, but the new image should at least be the size of the one you upload. One more thing, I'm holding a submission to update the book's pub record, but nothing was changed. Did you mean to change the URL of the cover image? If so, that's not necessary. You replaced the image, so it kept the same URL. If you had uploaded it as a new image, it would have been given a new URL, which you would then have to record in the pub record. I'll reject the submission to update the record. If you look at it, you'll see that your version of the cover image is now linked to the record. Mhhutchins 18:58, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Making changes to verified records
Please read this earlier message concerning the notification of editors of changes to primary verified records. I was the verifier of this record so I know, but in most cases, an editor would not know unless you left them a message on their talk page. If you're only adding data (cover images or notes) you can notify them after the submission. If you change data, you should notify them before making the submission. (Actually, I preferred the previous image for New Dimensions 5, but I went ahead and accepted the change.) We really appreciate your contributions but without responding to questions and initiating discussions the process becomes more difficult. These wiki pages are the preferred means of communication among editors. If you don't respond to the messages that are left here, we have no way of knowing that you've read them. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:49, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

To Die in Italbar
I changed the number of pages from 182 to 183 for http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256029 To Die in Italbar. The last page isn't numbered, but it is the first page of a chapter, and the first page of chapters are not numbered in this book. I noted that the artist and catalog number are given on the rear jacket flap. I also wonder where you got the month of publication - it isn't in the book and you didn't cite a source. Biomassbob 17:41, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * My copy of this book has the Gutter Code "D29" on page 181. I used the the (Numeric part of a gutter code table) page 9 of 9 from Isfdb.org/index.php/Gutter_Codes to show the month of July.--RUSSWOTHE 20:00, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I've added the source for the publication date to the record. Mhhutchins 21:15, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

The Hugo Winners
Can you confirm that you copy of this publication is a book club edition? Up until now, my research has failed to find any copy that actually states "Book Club Edition" on the front flap of the dustjacket and no printed price. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 22:59, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


 * No, I do not think this is a SFBC edition but it could be a Book Club Edition as the dustjacket shows "Doubleday" at the base of the fold. The base of the book spine shows "DOUBLEDAY SCIENCE FICTION". The top of the front flap shows "T.H.W. vol. II  $9.95" The bottom of the front flap is blank. There is no SFBC ID#.  There is a Gutter Code "M42" on page 654. But as you point out, without the "Book Club Edition" printed on the front flap it is most likely not. It was the use of the Gutter Code in a non book club book that made me unsure. The Copyright page shows only "Library of Congress Catalog Card Number (62-14132). Copyright 1971 by Isaac Asimov"  with all the author credits.   By default are all Doubleday books book club editions?  --RUSSWOTHE 16:08, 15 February 2012 (UTC)  I am most sorry but all this information is from "the Hugo Winners vol II.


 * The gutter code system was used in all books printed by Doubleday on their Garden City presses, whether it was their own trade editions or the book club editions of other publishers' editions. If the book has a price, then it's not a book club edition. So your copy of The Hugo Winners II is the trade edition. Mhhutchins 19:05, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

This is the correct information for the book "the Hugo winners". YES, at the base of the front flap is printed "Book Club Edition" and there is no price shown. Page 318 has the Gutter Code "E22". The Copyright page shows "Library of Congress Catalog Card Number (62-14132) Copyright 1962 by Isaac Asimon. This is the same number use by the first book. --RUSSWOTHE 16:21, 15 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the info. I'll remove the data about it being the trade edition for book club members. This solved a major mystery for this edition of the book. Mhhutchins


 * Record has been updated. Please add the page numbers for the stories when you get a chance. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:26, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

The Hugo Winners, Volume 2
I'm holding a submission to update this record with a gutter code. I'm assuming you have a copy of the book and that it is your source (it would really help to let us know you're working from the book itself in the "Note to Moderator" field, otherwise you could to a primary verification, but then I've said that before.) If your copy has gutter code "M42" and has no first edition statement, you should create a whole new record for it. Unlike book club editions, we create new records for each printing of a trade edition. I'm going to reject the submission and ask you to clone the original pub and change the data fields and the notes to match your copy. You can give the 1971-10-00 as the date of your copy, based on the gutter code ("M42" on page 654). Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:07, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Hope I got all right.--RUSSWOTHE 19:29, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Easton Press ed. of The Gods Themselves
Perhaps you overlooked this record. Your submission to add a new one appears to be similar to this one. The one difference I see is the interior artwork. Does your copy not have the Powers double-page spreads for the other two sections of the novel? You also have Richard M. Powers as the cover artist. Easton Press editions don't have dustjackets and the cover designs aren't credited. Mhhutchins 04:26, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was looking for the wrong date. The Copyright date and not the publication date. So I missed the Eston Press entry. Also I knew about the first two page layout of art work but missed the other two. Also I didn't know the box "ARTIST 1" was only for cover art work. As you point out there isn't any cover art work on this book so I used that box for the internal work. I might get this all straight before I die. --RUSSWOTHE 14:52, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was looking for the wrong date. The Copyright date and not the publication date. So I missed the Eston Press entry. Also I knew about the first two page layout of art work but missed the other two. Also I didn't know the box "ARTIST 1" was only for cover art work. As you point out there isn't any cover art work on this book so I used that box for the internal work. I might get this all straight before I die. --RUSSWOTHE 14:52, 22 February 2012 (UTC)


 * No worries. I'm still trying to figure it out myself, and I just had my fifth anniversary here! There's always going to be problems with publishers like Easto who don't give publication dates. Now, that I know we have the same edition, I'll reject the submission. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:10, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

" Isaac Asimov Presents The Golden Years of Science Fiction (Second Series)"
Using the ISBN: 10 & 13 numbers at ABEBOOKS.COM I have found a second printing of this book. It is shown as by Random House Value Pub. 1988. It looks as if Random House just copied the Bonanza book page for page. --RUSSWOTHE 17:04, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for that info. it would seem that the publishing houses are so interconnected with "subs of subs" that you would need a cross Ref. file to keep tract of who is who. In the future I will use abebooks.com only for their $$$$$. --RUSSWOTHE 20:29, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * There is no publisher named Random House Value Publishing. It's a name that is used for Random House's division that handles "instant remainders", and are usually published by Bonanza Books, an imprint of Crown Publishers, a division of Random House. Those Abebooks.com dealers that give "Random House Value Pub." in their listings are using a shared database that supplies the data.  In other words, they're too busy to actually look at the books they're selling...only entering the ISBNs and letting the Abebooks.co, database fill out the rest of the data. Never create a record based solely on Abebooks.com dealer listings.  They are rarely perfect, and have a high percentage of bad information (I would personally judge that to be at least 25% of all listings have bad data, and that's being generous.) Mhhutchins 17:26, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I have just tried to upload a new cover picture for Isaac Asimov Presents the golden Years of Science Fiction ( Fifth series ). As I always run into the same
 * I have just tried to upload a new cover picture for Isaac Asimov Presents the golden Years of Science Fiction ( Fifth series ). As I always run into the same

problem everytime I try to send a replacement picture I have to ask what I am doing wrong. Here is what happens. When I send the picture the first time the original picture is shown not my upload. I can then not send the "URL" for my picture. If I send it a second time the same thing happens but then there are three listings for the picture with two under my name with the first one I sent now shown as my first upload even though I haven't sent a "URL". I now have the information for that picture "all screwed-up". Sorry about this but is seems to always happen when I try to replace a picture with a better one. --RUSSWOTHE 16:50, 23 February 2012 (UTC)


 * All you have to do is refresh your browser (F5) after the first upload. Then the new picture will show. --Willem H. 19:38, 23 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I explained clearing your cache in an earlier message. If you're carried back to the original page, it means that the image has been replaced regardless of what you see. Don't make another attempt to upload the image. Just refresh your browser. Mhhutchins 01:10, 24 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you. But somebody should fix the BIG mess I made. It looks as if there are five entries. And the old Picture is still the one shown. --RUSSWOTHE 20:36, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Publisher review slips
Best source for a date! If you have one for a book don't hesitate to change the existing date [if the record's been Primaried, it's usually better to discuss it with the other verifier] and note the source! Virtually all publishers send books to reviewers, if they relied on them being bought not too many would get reviewed! --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:34, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Nebula Winners Twelve
Does your copy of this book have a printed price? Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:38, 25 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes. $9.95  --RUSSWOTHE 17:54, 25 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Please update the record when you get a chance. Mhhutchins 18:07, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

"False Dawn", by Chelsea Quinn Yarbro
You added a note to this publication, adding the gutter code. I checked my copy, and it has the same gutter code. Oddly enough, you say yours is on p. 208, while mine was on p. 207. That seems suspicious. For now I've changed it to say it's on "p. 207/208", but could you check again to verify the page number Chavey 20:27, 1 March 2012 (UTC)


 * It looks as if I have received this message that should have cone to someone else...--RUSSWOTHE 16:02, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for catching my typo. The Gutter code is on page 207. --RUSSWOTHE 15:08, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You were the Primary2 verifier on that book, and it appears that you added a note about the gutter code on that book. Is that not correct? Chavey 05:30, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Year's Best SF, Third Annual
Is the cover artist credited as "Tom Kid" in this record? I've changed the cover artist field to "Tom Kidd", so if that's wrong please update the record again. Mhhutchins 15:30, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

The Year's Best Science Fiction: Eighteenth Annual Collection
I'm holding your submission to change the publisher of this record from St. Martin's Press to St. Martin's Griffin. Are you working from a copy of the book itself, or from a secondary source. Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:51, 4 April 2012 (UTC) . . Yes, I am working from my book. On the title page it shows "st. martin's griffin new york" with the Griffin Logo above the name. --RUSSWOTHE 13:53, 4 April 2012 (UTC) . . . I have a full set of this series. At the point were the SFBC started showing a ISBN number on the back cover and sometimes two numbers on the copyright page I think that all they were doing was making a copy of the book from the TP edition. When I use the ISBN numbers to research the SFBC books I always get back information for the TP books. This is most obvious in the page count. The question then is who did the SFBC use to print their books? If St. Martin's is cheaper then St. Martin's Griffin I would think the Book Club would go with St. Martin's. Or all but this one time! Can we trust what is shown in my book? --RUSSWOTHE 14:31, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


 * The only thing I needed to know is how it's credited in the book itself, nothing else matters. I'll accept the submission. Thanks. (Please use a colon to separate your response from the previous one.) Mhhutchins 17:54, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

The Best of the Best
I'm holding a submission to change this record to a SFBC edition. If yours is a BC edition you should clone the record, not update it, because this record is for the trade edition. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:22, 5 April 2012 (UTC) Book is not a Book Club edition. Top of front jacket flap shows ISBN 0-312-33655-1 with a price of $35.00  /  $50.00 Can. Bottom of flap does not state Book Club. The title page states the publisher as "St. Martin's Griffin" and shows the Griffin Logo over the name. The Copyright page shows "[edited by] Gardner Dozois.--1st ed." The bottom of the page states "FIRST EDITION: FEBRUARY 2005" with a number line 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1


 * Your submission changes the publisher from "St. Martin's Press" to "St. Martin's Griffin / SFBC". From your response, I'm assuming that's an error and will accept the submission but change the publisher to "St. Martin's Griffin". (BTW, place the colon on the same line as your response in order to indent it from the previous comment.) Mhhutchins 20:27, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

SFBC reprints of trade editions
As I may have mentioned before, the ISFDB standards of entering SFBC printings of other publisher's trade editions differ from the standards of entering trade publications. They are outlined here. One of the most important differences is the handling of ISBNs. We don't use the ISBN of the trade edition in the record for the SFBC printing, even if the ISBN is stated in the SFBC printing. We record the SFBC ID number, which is printed on the back of the dustjacket of most SFBC editions, in the ISBN/Catalog # field. The stated ISBN should then be recorded in the Note field of the record. I have rejected the submission to add both the SFBC ID number and the stated ISBN number in the ISBN/Catalog # field of this record. Mhhutchins 20:59, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Library binding of Children of the Mind
I accepted the submission adding this record to the database, but made a couple of changes. The format/binding field was changed to "hc", and a note about it's being a library binding was added. I also removed the date, which appears to be that of the Tor trade paperback edition (which formed the basis of this rebinding). The number line would indicate a much later printing date, and also the fact that it has an ISBN-13 means it was probably printed after 2006. Mhhutchins 17:17, 25 April 2012 (UTC) Thanks....--RUSSWOTHE 17:42, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Problem with uploading...again
I've told you this a couple of times before...so here I go again. Whenever you replace a cover image file, the system brings you back to the wiki page of the image. You will see the old image, because that is the image in your computer's cache (temporarily stored webpages). You have to clear your cache in order to see the image that you just uploaded. In most browsers, all you have to do is hit your keyboards "F5" button. Also, please don't make a submission to update a record only for the purposes of telling us you're having a problem. That's not how it should be done. That's why we have this wiki messaging system. The database should not be used to send messages or ask questions to moderators. Leave a message on the Help Desk or any of the pages of the Community Portal, which is linked on every wiki page. Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:13, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

The image you uploaded for is on the wiki server and linked to the database record. All you had to do was hit the F5 button on your keyboard to see it. Mhhutchins 15:15, 27 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes;--RUSSWOTHE 16:05, 27 April 2012 (UTC) I know his has happened before. But the F5 key seems to do nothing. And where my computer has a file with stored webpages does not list when I do a search. In the future I will not try to send pictures of book covers that are already shown. I have filed and indexed all of my books now and will only have the few that I will buy from here on. So I will not be a bother much more. You have a very helpful web site and I have made much use of it. I hope the little I have contributed has helped.


 * Yes, your contributions have been very helpful. What browser do you use? In some browsers you can place you cursor on a non-linkable area of the screen and the click the right button of your mouse. A menu should appear. One of the choices is "Reload". Maybe that will work with your browser. Mhhutchins 16:23, 27 April 2012 (UTC)


 * When I first started sending book covers most of the time things didn't work right. I was told that I had Vista Premium 64, Internet Explorer 9 (64 bit) and used Google. It was apparent that this combination didn't work as I was having problems with just about every web site I went to. I was told to start using Google Chrome. At that time everything started to work smoothly again. I found the menu you spoke of. And clicked  on reload. This would seem to reset everything. I think it should be use with care. I have some old paperback books that I think I will file and index, so I might still have a few entries to submit. --RUSSWOTHE 13:15, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Clicking "reload" makes no changes in the page, so there's no need to use care. It shows you the most recent version of the webpage, including all the changes that have been made since the last time you visited it. Mhhutchins 15:20, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Good. I've made myself a note and the next time things do not look right I'll try it. --RUSSWOTHE 18:09, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Pyramid printings for The Rest of the Robots
I've rejected the submissions to add records for four printings of this title, as they are already in the database, but under the name Eight Stories from the Rest of the Robots. Please look at your fourth printing and see if this record matches your copy. Mhhutchins 14:06, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes it is a 100% match. The artist is shown on the back cover. --RUSSWOTHE 14:51, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes it is a 100% match. The artist is shown on the back cover. --RUSSWOTHE 14:51, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Working with series
Baxter's series "Mammoth" (which includes Silverhair) is a title series, not a publication series. Please read this help page in order to understand the difference. I've made corrections to the record for the Easton Press edition, and changed the publisher's name to "The Easton Press". Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:36, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I've also removed Bauman's credit as cover artist (there is no dustjacket and Easton doesn't credit the artist of the cover design) and created an interiorart record for her frontispiece. Mhhutchins 18:41, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * O Kay. I think I've got it. But if I have to do this again I will reread that help page. I also knew about Easton Press not having a cover artist but now have learned a new term. (Interiorart record) --RUSSWOTHE 21:06, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * An interiorart record is created for a work (or works) of art and that are contained in a larger work. It can illustrate the story, or it can be more specialized, like a map or a frontispiece. It's all explained here. Mhhutchins 21:35, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Corgi
There are hundreds of records, probably more than a thousand, that have been entered giving "Corgi" as the publisher (see here). There are only four records as Corgi Books. And there are only five records as Corgi Books / Transworld Publishers (UK). I would not hesitate for a minute to change them to "Corgi", but those nine records have been primary verified. Even if the books give the full name as "Corgi Books" or if Corgi is an imprint of Transworld, it doesn't add value to the individual record nor the publisher listings of publications to add that to the publisher field. Mhhutchins 21:46, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Queen of Sorcery
You want to update this record, changing the date from 2001-00-00 to 2000-08-03, the publisher from Corgi to Corgi Books / Transworld Publishers (UK), the page count from 447 to 446, and to remove the printing number from the note field. You add a link to an OCLC record which gives the publisher as Corgi, and you give a link to a publisher's website, which gives the page count as 448 pages and a price of £7.99 (instead of the current £6.99). If your linked source doesn't support the changes, then you shouldn't use it as the source, nor link it to the record. And removing the printing number from the note field could mean that the record could be a different printing that the one you want to update it to. You may need to create a new record for your printing. I'm assuming you're not working from a book in hand, otherwise you would not have added links to secondary sources. It's probably best to only update records for books in your own collection while you're still in the learning stage. Using secondary sources can be extremely tricky, and learning which ones are more reliable comes with experience. Mhhutchins 21:55, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

The same situation applies to the submission to update this record. Changing the date from 2000 to 2008 and removing the printing number is also highly suspicious. And the price on the publisher's page doesn't match the current record. Mhhutchins 21:58, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Not sure this and the preceding should be sent to me. --RUSSWOTHE 13:06, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I was working with your submissions and those of another editor's and got confused. Thanks. Mhhutchins 14:54, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Roger. Over and out.--RUSSWOTHE 15:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

R Is for Rocket
You can the file name ( RSFRRCKTZM1967.jpg ) for the link to the cover image in this record. You have to enter the entire URL ( http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/8/83/RSFRRCKTZM1967.jpg ) into the Image URL field. Mhhutchins 16:30, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Asimov's mystery omnibus
The submission adding this record was accepted, but I changed the type to OMNIBUS and the contents to NONGENRE. Also, can you see if your copy has a gutter code so that we can narrow down the publication date? Thanks.


 * This book has a minimum of information. There isn't a Gutter Code. The inside front flap does not show a price. At the bottom is "Book Club Edition". The Copyright page only shows the copyright dates for the two stories but no publication date. The bottom of the rear flap shows "Jacket Design by Bascove". And then the number 14787 on the outside. And that's it. --RUSSWOTHE 20:26, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * The Mystery Guild was a book club from Doubleday (as was the SFBC before the merger of Doubleday's book clubs with those of the BOMC.) And like the SFBC, most of their printings between 1958 and 1987 contained gutter codes. Since this printing didn't have one, we'll just leave the publication date as an estimate. Most likely it appeared at the end of 1976 or early 1977. Mhhutchins 20:31, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Roger that. --RUSSWOTHE 20:46, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Asimov's essay collection From Heaven to Earth
I'll have to reject the submission to add a record for the Doubleday edition of this title. There's already a record in the database. You may not have found it because essay collections are categorized as NONFICTION, not COLLECTION. (And it was mistakenly entered as paperback instead of hardcover.) I've transferred the additional information that you added in your submission to the current record. Does your copy have an introduction? If so, please add the page number. If not, please remove it from the record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:50, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Book has be updated with new information--RUSSWOTHE 12:00, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Book has be updated with new information--RUSSWOTHE 12:00, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

R is for Rocket
You left a question on my user page regarding Bradbury's R is for Rocket. First, let me apologize for not noticing it until now. The usual practice is to leave questions on a user's discussion page. I have moved your question to the Help desk. If your question had been about a specific edition, you could have posted on the verifier's discussion page. However, since your question was more general, I moved it to the help desk. You may find this help page useful as a guide as to where to post questions. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:02, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm still learning my way around the site. Thanks. --RUSSWOTHE 12:29, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm still learning my way around the site. Thanks. --RUSSWOTHE 12:29, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Asimov's Quasar, Quasar...
In the submission to update this record, you wrote this in the Note to Moderator field: "I don't know how to make the entry "Quasar, Quasar, Burning Bright" 1978 the book title in yellow." I've told you in the past that this is not the place to ask a question. Please ask questions on the Help Desk page. There should be a link on every wiki page (this section of the ISFDB) to "Community Portal". Clicking on that will lead you to a page that list several pages in which you can ask questions to the community. Asking questions in a submission to update a database record limits the response you're going to get. The moderator is unable to respond directly to a question posed in a submission. A moderator can only do two things: accept the submission or reject it. He can neither edit it nor respond directly to a question.

Now about the note: I'm not sure what you're asking when you say you want to make "the book title in yellow". Is that referring to the book cover image or the text of the database record? Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:09, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I used a very poor choice of words and did not explain what I wanted to do. After I had entered the page numbers there was one entry that was still blank. I realized that this must be the entry for the title of the book which is highlighted in yellow.

{Color-coded titles can't be edited on this page. Yellow titles are "containers"} My intent was to let you know that as I did know how to do this that was why that entry was left blank. --RUSSWOTHE 18:41, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Still not sure what you wanted to do. There was no need to edit the container title record. And I didn't see a blank entry in your submission. A question: is there an introduction? Strange that the first entry is on page 17 if nothing appears earlier in the book. Mhhutchins 18:49, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


 * A short nonfiction work which is contained in a larger work (regardless of its type) should be typed as ESSAY. The type NONFICTION is used for larger works. Also, when you have a generic title like "Introduction" you should disambiguate it by adding the title of the work which is being introduced. (Can you imagine how many introductions Asimov wrote in his career and what a mess his ISFDB page would be if all of these essays were titled "Introduction"?) So I'll change the record you added to this book from NONFICTION to ESSAY, and the title from "Introduction" to "Introduction (Quasar, Quasar, Burning Bright". Mhhutchins 19:09, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I also had to change the date from 1978 to 1977. The ISFDB record should be dated the date of its publication, not the date of its writing. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:10, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I am going to try this again with asimov's book "Azazel" will try to do better.--RUSSWOTHE 19:27, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Masterpieces: --RUSSWOTHE 15:25, 23 May 2012 (UTC)The Best Science Fiction of the Twentieth Century
I'm cloning your verified pub Masterpieces: The Best Science Fiction of the Twentieth Century as I have the 10th printing, which has a few changes from your 1st printing. I noticed the image of the Ace book cover has "The Best Science Fiction of the Century", omitting "Twentieth", and that the image is supplied by Amazon (ie. possibly an earlier draft, which was never used, of the actual cover). I'll be uploading a new cover scan for my edition; just letting you know it's there in case you need to change the cover image for your 1st printing. Thanks. PeteYoung 23:42, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads up on this. I will check my book.--RUSSWOTHE 15:25, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Forward or Foreword
Can you check the spellings of the essays title "Forward" in this record of Asimov's Limericks? Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:11, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

I have been on an extended vacation. Yes that is a typo. Spelling should be "Foreword". --RUSSWOTHE 13:22, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Cosmic Encounter
I added (and removed) some words from the notes to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?309225 Cosmic Encounter. Bob 00:02, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Sorry it took me so long to get back to you. I have been on an extended vacation. Thanks for making the corrections.--RUSSWOTHE 13:19, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Limericks
So all of the contents, including the forewords, in this record are poems? This appears to be an omnibus of two previously published collections of limericks. If so, it should include content records (as COLLECTION type) for each of them. You don't have to create records for each of the limericks unless you're willing to go through all the trouble. Mhhutchins 16:06, 23 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Couldn't think of what to put in that entry box. I had at first shown them as essays. But I understand that Limericks are poems. And yes that would be more effort then I would care for.--RUSSWOTHE 16:26, 23 June 2012 (UTC)


 * But are the forewords also poems? (Add one colon to the number in the previous message in order to indent your response. The second message would have 1 colon, the third would have two, the fourth would have three, etc. Thanks) Mhhutchins 16:43, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Galaxy Reader of SF
I have a submission to update this record, but there are no visible changes to it. What changes did you want to make? Mhhutchins 21:16, 30 June 2012 (UTC) I uploaded a new cover scan. --RUSSWOTHE 21:20, 30 June 2012 (UTC)


 * When you replace an image that's already on file, you don't have to edit the record. The record is already linked to the original image, the URL of which hasn't changed. If you look at the record, you'll see your image is visible, not the one that you replaced. I'll reject the submission. (BTW, when you respond to a wiki comment, you should start your response on the same line with the colon. Adding a colon on one line and then dropping down to the next line to start your sentence doesn't indent it. Look at how your response is displayed compared to mine, and then open up the edit box to see how each was entered. Thanks.) Mhhutchins 21:54, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I was thinking that the "METADATA" was only sent when I updated the url info. It would seem that all that info is sent along with the cover upload.--RUSSWOTHE 16:00, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Profiles of the Future
You might want to clone one of 38063 instead rather than create a new publication? BLongley 15:07, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I must apologize for not knowing all the ins and outs of your system, but I just don't have the time to learn all the ways to enter information. If you think it best to make a clone then I think I will just let my entry go as I do not know the procedure of how to make a clone or why it would be better that way. Sorry for taking up so much of you guys time. --RUSSWOTHE 16:14, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

SFBC ed. of The Robots of Dawn
Your submission to add a new gutter code to this record was accepted. Can you confirm that this is a book club printing and not a trade printing? If it's a bc edition, when you get a chance, please do a primary verification of the record. Thanks. 15:04, 12 November 2012 (UTC


 * Book Club Edition stated at the bottom of the front flap. --RUSSWOTHE 18:55, 12 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:57, 12 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Not a problem. I just thought it unusual to see two printings in the same month before the book was released.

Fuzzy Nation
Hello, added cover artist to your verified, based on credit in verified 1st edition. Also, could you please check if your verified copy has Author's Note (Fuzzy Nation) and on what page. Thank you in advance. ForJohnScalzi 05:43, 8 January 2013 (UTC). Author's Note is found on unnumbered page 7. Page numbering starts with page 12 which is the second page of the novel. Also; from the back cover flap. "Jacket art by Kekai Kotaki". --RUSSWOTHE 18:51, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Will amend the record, then. ForJohnScalzi 00:39, 11 January 2013 (UTC).

Image upload size limitations
Re : Please try to keep files smaller than 150K when uploading cover images to the ISFDB server. Sometimes it's just a matter of reducing the resolution slightly. Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:23, 11 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Also re. this file, something to bear in mind: you need to add the whole URL for the image to appear, not just the "SSGNMNTNSP1958.jpg" as appeared in your submission. Click on the image after uploading to copy the URL. I accepted your latest edit but then added the rest. Thanks. PeteYoung 20:14, 11 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I have been having a lot of problems getting screens to load on my computer. When I sent the pictures for this book I did not get a "thumb nail" picture to click on. Until I can clear up this problem I will hold back an sending any more pictures.--RUSSWOTHE 20:44, 11 January 2013 (UTC)


 * You usually don't get a thumbnail of the image file if it exceeds the limitations in dimensions (more than 600 pixels on the longest side), unless you change your preferences. Nevertheless, just because you don't see the thumbnail image doesn't mean the file isn't on the server. Go to the File List (linked on most wiki pages), and you'll be able to see if the file was uploaded to the server. To change preferences, click on the "Preferences" link and then click on the "Files" tab. Change the first drop-down menu to the maximum "10000 x 10000px" and the "Thumbnail Menu" to "300px". Regardless of your preference settings, you should remain within the requested limits. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:42, 13 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry that wasn't just what I was trying to say. But, I believe everything is now working as it should. Will see if all is well if/when I try to send another cover scan. --RUSSWOTHE 15:58, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Incorrectly uploaded image file
was incorrectly uploaded to the ISFDB server. Please follow these simple instructions:


 * 1) Go to this publication record.
 * 2) Left click on the link labeled "Upload cover scan".
 * 3) Another tab/window should open which has a button labeled "Choose File". Left click on it.
 * 4) This should open up another window for your computer's hard drive, in which you will choose the file which you wish to upload. Left click on the "Open" button of that screen which will add that file's name after the wiki page's "Choose File" button. Left click the "Upload file" button.
 * 5) You're then sent to the new wiki page for the file. If you right click on the image you can save its URL from the pop-up menu, or you can left click on it which leads to the URL of just the image. You'll have to copy the URL from your browser's URL address box.
 * 6) Go back to the publication record. Left click "Edit This Pub" and then enter the URL in the "Image URL" field of the update. Than submit.

If you have any questions, just ask. Once you've read this message I'll delete the previously uploaded file. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:10, 20 January 2013 (UTC)


 * It was at step 5 that my computer would not display the new wiki image. This was also a big problem on every web site I accessed. I think I now have it fixed. I do not know if this was the whole problem but I removed "JAVA" from my system. --RUSSWOTHE 15:37, 23 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure Java was the problem, because you were able to upload the original file. It wasn't a matter of displaying the image, but the method you used to upload it (the upload direct-to-Wiki method as opposed to the upload from publication record method). Please try again. In the meantime, I'll delete the original file. Thanks. (BTW, the colon should be placed at the beginning of the first sentence of your response, not on the line above.) Mhhutchins 17:33, 23 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not to sure it was Java ether. About the same time I got about 10 security updates for Windows and a Malicious Software Removal Tool update. I have sent several files in the past and everything should be working as it should now. --RUSSWOTHE 15:30, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Another incorrectly uploaded cover image
was incorrectly uploaded. Please go to the publication record and upload the same file using the "Upload cover scan" link. DO NOT USE the "Upload file" link found under the Toolbox menu of the wiki pages. You must upload cover images from the link provided on the publication record of the book for which you're uploading the cover image. Mhhutchins 20:28, 4 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I've removed the cover image link you just added to the publication record. Please go to that record and upload the image again, using the step-by-step instructions that I gave you in my previous message. Mhhutchins 20:51, 4 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I see you've done it correctly this time. I'm going to delete the misloaded image. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:54, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Fahrenheit 451
Please check the spelling of the publisher's name as credited in this record. We have records for "Perfection". Also the spelling of the publisher given in the Note field: "Del Ray". Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:00, 7 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Spelling of the publisher is "Prefection Learning". Publisher is in error. Should be "Del Rey". --RUSSWOTHE 20:34, 7 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I have to delete the file which you uploaded for this edition. Please use the link from the publication record labeled "Upload cover scan" and leave the information that is preloaded in the "Summary" box which appears on the file upload screen. I also removed the cover art credit from the record, because it doesn't match the cover that originally came with this printing. They must have used different art when rebinding the paperback. I also changed the binding format from "pb" to "hc" and corrected the spelling of the publisher's name while noting the error in the Note field. Mhhutchins 21:46, 7 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I wasn't sure if it was "pb" or "hc". Thanks for the changes. --RUSSWOTHE 20:10, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

The Nebula Awards #18
I corrected the ISBN on http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44537, and added a note that the ISBN on the copy right page is incorrect. Markwood 10:05, 30 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I added that incorrect ISBN to the note, for future reference. --MartyD 12:02, 30 November 2013 (UTC)