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If, Jan/Feb 1972
I see you've verified a British edition that we (well, Visco) doesn't have. Is there any chance of you being able to scan the cover and let Terry Gibbons have a copy? BLongley 15:56, 19 May 2007 (CDT)


 * In case you're not aware of the coverart options, have a look at this publication now. Better than with no art? Oh, and you can help adjust the prices too - if we have the "£" symbol in front, we don't need the "p" at the end, so long as it's in "£0.25" format. You may see "L0.25" format at times - it's perfectly safe to change these to "£0.25" instead for magazines, with books it does cause a slight problem in that we lose the buying link to the current Amazon.co.uk version that we get if the ISBN is correct. Not a major problem, we should have the "£" link working eventually too. BLongley 16:40, 19 May 2007 (CDT)

The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, March 1975
Your edit of this publication changed the title and type of Wilson Tucker's story. In this case, the original editor's use of [Serial] and (Complete Novel) was intended to link it with a book publication of the same story. Changing the type and title would remove the connection. I'll aprove the submission and revert that story to its original status. Also in this submission you added a book review without crediting the reviewer. I assume it's Damon Knight, as you've also provided an ESSAY by him under the same title. Unless there are several books under review, or if the book review is titled something other than a column name (as in this case, simply "Books") it's not necessary to create a separate essay entry. Thanks for the submission. Mhhutchins 16:02, 19 May 2007 (CDT)

Adding and removing titles
I see you've got the hang of that very fast! Well done! One thing I would suggest is that you do the add before the remove: for instance, we now have: "Through Time and Space with Ferdinand Feghoot: XXXI" by "Grendel Briarton" which is right, but I had to keep a note because you did the removal and I couldn't see whether the "add under the correct author" was in the queue. It just makes it slightly easier on us Mods to see what's coming if you do things in that order (you don't need to wait for approval on the Add before doing the Remove). Feel free to add to the publication notes temporarily to explain what's coming as well: some editors are doing BIG anthologies and I'm getting quite used to approving a "Work in progress" edit knowing that there's more changes to come, and don't mind that. Frequent saves are good practice! BLongley 17:08, 19 May 2007 (CDT)

The other thing is that we have to add a variant of "Through Time and Space with Ferdinand Feghoot: XXXI" by "Grendel Briarton" to get a link with "Through Time and Space with Ferdinand Feghoot: XXXI" by "Reginald Bretnor" - would you like me to do that or are you confident with variants as well? Currently, we like all the publications to appear under the Canonical name, whereas Grendel Briarton has a couple of stray publications for now: when those are sorted then his author link will just link back to the Canonical name. BLongley 17:08, 19 May 2007 (CDT)

Worlds of If Science Fiction, Nov/Dec 1972
You submitted an update for Worlds of If Science Fiction, Nov/Dec 1972. Everything looks fine except that you are changing the price from L0.25p to $.075. I approved this and re-edited it to change the price to $0.75.

The new price concerns me though because I'm wondering if we are loosing the record of this magazine being available at £0.25. The publication note says L0.25p but now that the price is $0.75 it's confusing. Could you please clarify this? Thank you. 18:13, 19 May 2007 (CDT)

Galaxy, November 1973
In the submission for this issue you changed the date of the piece by Ernest Taves to 0000, meaning "unknown". Is there evidence in the publication to indicate that the piece had been previously published? Mhhutchins 21:17, 19 May 2007 (CDT)

Titles for columns in magazine issues
I had meant to bring this subject up yesterday, but it slipped my mind. When you're entering data from a periodical for a column that appears in several issues, it's a good idea to add to the title of the column a parenthetical periodical name and issue date. For instance, in the Galaxy issues you're updating, if the book review column is titled simply "Galaxy Bookshelf", enter the data as "Galaxy Bookshelf (Galaxy Science Fiction, January 1975)". This makes each piece a separate entity and helps distinguish it from all of the other pieces on an author's summary page. It also keeps an unwary editor from doing merges of similarly titled pieces. Thanks. Mhhutchins 10:42, 20 May 2007 (CDT)

Galaxy Science Fiction, August 1977
In your sumbission for Galaxy Science Fiction, August 1977 you added two pieces of interior art (pages 9 and 145) but the artists' name on the edit was the title of one of the stories ("The All-Soul is Calling Quinlan"). Can you check again to determine if the artist is credited? Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:02, 20 May 2007 (CDT)

Dates for reviews
The date for a review is the date of the publication in which the review appears. If you're creating an entry for a new periodical you can disregard that space on the entry form, and the system will automatically assign a date from the date of the publication. If you're updating a publication, i.e. adding new content such as reviews, you can also leave that part of the form blank. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:43, 20 May 2007 (CDT)

Book review dates
According to the help screen, the date in the book review is the date of publication of the work reviewed, not the date that the review is published. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alibrarian (talk • contribs).


 * Thanks for pointing out the error on the help page. I'll see that the information is passed along to individual who updates that page.  In the meantime, just leave the dates blank, and the system will automatically enter the correct dates.  Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:00, 20 May 2007 (CDT)

2 F&SF issues
I have approved your changes to The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, March 1960 with one exception. You proposed changing "Aprés Nous" to "Après Nous", which would have changed the spelling of this title in all other publications that contain this story. Assuming the story was later reprinted as "Aprés Nous", then we will want to create a Variant Title for it. It's not a terribly straightforward process at this time, but we have a help page explaining all the gory details at Help:How to change a story in a collection. However, before we create a Variant Title, let me double-check the spelling in the reprint collection that I verified earlier this year just to be on the safe side. I will have access to my collection over the weekend and will get back to you with the details.

As far as the proposed changes to The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, April 1960 go, everything looks fine, but I was wondering if you could please double check that Schenck's name is given as "Hilbert Schenck, Jr." as opposed to "Hilbert Schenck" on the first page of the story. Looking at the Schenck bibliography in the database, it would appear that at one point somebody ran an incorrect Author Merge against it, so we will probably need to recheck other entries as well. Thanks! Ahasuerus 00:48, 22 May 2007 (CDT)

Changing the title in a publication's content
I approved your submission to update the March 1964 issue of If, but had a question concerning the change in the Sturgeon piece. Is it labeled as an editorial either in the table of contents or the title page of the piece itself? If so, you can make that as the actual title, e.g. "Editorial: Miracle on Michigan" or "Miracle on Michigan: Guest Editorial". And I can't stress enough, please follow the same guidelines as changing the title of a story that Ahasuerus mentions above. This applies to contents of a collection, anthology or periodical. It didn't make a difference in this case, because there are no other listings for the Sturgeon piece in the ISFDB. But if there had been, every reprinting of it would have been affected by this one submission. Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:43, 26 May 2007 (CDT)
 * PS. If you would like to make any response you can do that here on this page. Click on the edit link of this portion of the page and a box will open to allow you to add to the dialog.  Then click save.  I've created a watch for this page, so I will be nofified of any changes you make here.  Again, thanks. Mhhutchins 15:43, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Benford's F&SF Column
I see that you've created a series for the Benford column. Good idea. While you're updating the titles, you can also remove the heading "A Scientist's Notebook:..." from the title of each piece. Thanks. Mhhutchins 14:58, 27 May 2007 (CDT)

Analog, March 2007
I've placed your update for this issue on hold until I hear from other mods about the changes in the Tom Easton contributions. Even though his column carries the "Tom Easton" byline, I believe they're all under his canonical name here on the ISFDB ("Thomas A. Easton") Mhhutchins 09:54, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Also the removal of Schmidt's credit for the unsigned pieces. I'll get back to you. Mhhutchins 09:56, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

Howard Brown(e)?
Could you please double check if The Observatory (Amazing, Feb. 1950) was really credited to "Howard Brown" or whether the author's name was spelled "Howard Browne"? Thanks!

The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, September 1990
You've entered an essay by Harlan "Ellision" - your typo or theirs? BLongley 10:50, 2 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Change in the title of a Sturgeon editorial
I'm holding your submission to change the title of the Sturgeon editorial in this issue of IF. On the first page where the piece appears is the title printed as "Editorial: The Day That Threw God At Me" or simply "The Day They Threw God At Me"? In other words, is "editorial" in the title? Mhhutchins 19:53, 6 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Changing the author in the contents of a publication
As we've discussed before, you can not change the author of one of the contents of a publication without changing every other record of that title in the database. If the author is incorrect do the following:
 * 1) Choose "Edit This Pub" from the menu.
 * 2) Add new content at the end the contents list by pressing "Add Title", enter all pertinent information. Do not do anything to the incorrect content listing.
 * 3) After your submission with the new content has been accepted by a moderator, go back to the publication and choose "Remove Titles From This Pub" from the menu.
 * 4) Check the box beside the incorrect content listing and submit.

I'm rejecting your edit of this pub, because the story by Wollheim has been reprinted under the pseudonym "Martin Pearson". Sometime in the past, someone must have made a submission to change the author of that reprint to Pearson, which changed the original printing in the Avon Reader. It shouldn't take long to get into the habit of making corrections this way. If you have any questions, just ask. And, again, thanks for submitting. Mhhutchins 20:11, 6 Jun 2007 (CDT)

In a subsequent submission Avon Fantasy Reader, No. 2 you changed an author as well. BUT (and an important but) this was the only listing for the story in the database, so I went ahead and accepted the submission. This will not always be the case. Mhhutchins 20:24, 6 Jun 2007 (CDT)

On your next submission Avon Fantasy Reader, No. 3 you also changed the author of the story "Mimic". This story has pubs in the database as by "Martin Pearson" and I don't have all of the original publications to verify which name is used in each printing. So I have to accept what's in the database, and reject your edit. I know it takes a few extra steps to correct the author's name in contents listing, but until the system is reprogrammed we have no other way. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:34, 6 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Future Science Fiction, No. 47, February 1960
Great to see somebody else entering data for 50's 60's magazine. I approved this one and then took a closer look at it. Carol Gray is actually a Lowndes pseudonym. I think we can be pretty sure he was using it here since he edited the magazine. I usually double check by popping up the names of any authors I don't recognize and seeing if a pseudonym is listed for them. Also can use the a.k.a. site. Also, if editor Lowndes signed his name to any responses in the letter column (he often didn't) you can list him as the author of the letter column. I won't enter the pseudonym change until you have read this and I have a response. I prefer not changing verified entries. If you want, you can make the change yourself.

Do you have a lot of magazines you are going to enter/verify? I am trying to fill in the various magazine holes in the 50's and if you have some of the magazines I can hold off buying the 40 to 50 titles I will need do so.--swfritter 11:42, 9 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Glad you are adding book reviews. On the "Reckonings" I did for other Lowndes mags I placed the issue which the ratings were for in parenthesis, i.e. (The Reckoning (Reader's Poll November, 1957 issue) but there is really no standard for this. Once all the data for the 50's mags is in we all might decide on one and do a cleanup. I may work up a list of missing magazines and put them on my talk page.--swfritter 12:24, 9 Jun 2007 (CDT)

You are just a few months behind me
Response done correctly.

I have been a moderator (be prepared - the quality of your work will get you nominated)for less than a week and entering data for a few months so I know how it feels. Don't worry about making mistakes; they will be found eventually.

1. Attributing letter column to editor is not a part of the new pub documentation. I think it was in a discussion or I was informed by someone. Should be better documented. Same with the art page numbers. No biggie.

2. Pseudonyms - I assume you are using the "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work Add Publication to This" option. Just put the canonical authors name for author in that screeen. If the title is a variant title, put the canonical title in the title field.

3. Don't agonize over errors. No doubt someone will check it again. I don't even want to look at my first entries.

4. I will be creating a check list of missing issues somewhere.

5. You will have to edit the magazine link page. Changes there to not require moderator approval.

If you are not sure about doing something you can add test data to see the effects. Use words - like your screen name - and perhaps the word "test" in the entries so you can delete them afterwards. --swfritter 13:59, 9 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Issues needed
See my talk page. I have listed the issues we need for 1950's/1960's. Also I updated the magazine link so your April 1959 issue of Future can be accessed.--swfritter[talk] 14:57, 11 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Astounding Mar 1939
Approving but I noticed you mispelled the word "word" as "world" in notes.--swfritter 14:36, 16 Jun 2007 (CDT) Which doesn't matter because it's a temporary note.--swfritter 14:37, 16 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Analog Science Fiction and Fact, Jan 1995
I have approved the changes to this publication, but I was wondering if the year of Bob Eggleton's illustration for "Tide of Stars" was set to 0000-00-00 on purpose? Ahasuerus 21:56, 17 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Legal names
Just a note to let you know that as per our Help pages, "The format of the legal name should be "Lastname, Firstname Middlenames", with all names being given in full. The reason for this format are names like “Patrick Nielsen Hayden” where you can't readily tell whether the last name is “Hayden” or “Nielsen Hayden.”" Thanks for all the work you have done on Astounding! Ahasuerus 23:13, 21 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Analog Science Fact -> Science Fiction, August 1964
It would appear that you accidentally submitted updates for Analog Science Fact -> Science Fiction, August 1964 twice. I have rejected the second submission, but could you please double check the record to make sure everything is correct? Thanks! Ahasuerus 01:22, 23 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Imagination, August 1956
It appears that there are several duplicate entries in this pub, and you've submitted another one that includes duplicates as well. If you wish to add new content to a previous submission, it's necessary that the first submission be approved before making further edits. I've rejected the last submission. When you've removed the duplicate entries and the submission has been accepted, please resubmit the additional edits. Thanks. Mhhutchins 14:50, 23 Jun 2007 (CDT)

May 2007 Analog
I have linked the May 2007 issue of Analog from its Wiki page. Most magazine pages are not protected and can be edited by anybody, but the Analog page had to protected a few days ago because it was under persistent spambot attack :( Ahasuerus 20:59, 23 Jun 2007 (CDT)

F&SF, September 1961
Can you check to see if the books column for this issue of F&SF was written by Alfred Bester? Or is it a review of his novel? The essay is listed under the Books (F&SF) series, and appears to be unusual under the circumstance. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:46, 24 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Galaxy bookshelf series
I've put your submissions temporarily on hold. I was wondering if it might be better to break down the series by not only by "Galaxy 5 star bookshelf" but also by year (maybe "Galaxy 5 Star Bookshelf - 1951") otherwise there are going to be more than 300 entries in the series. Also you might want to see Entry 42 "Change to Help - Title Fields - Entry Type - Interiorart - Page Numbers" in Rules and standards. There may a methodology on the way so we do not have to modify non-unique titles like "Editorial" to indicate the pub source. Great to have somebody else doing magazine entries. It's a field many editors avoid because things can get a little tricky. If you are satisfied with the way you are doing series, I will approve it but it's always a good idea to run changes that affect a lot of data through "rules and standards discussion" or "help desk" to get opinions from others.--swfritter 06:50, 26 Jun 2007 (CDT)


 * I am going to approve these. Doing some series things yesterday and looking at documentation I realized that you have no control over the order in which series will appear. Doing it the way I suggested could easily result in a 1951 series being displayed before a 1950 series. As far as modifiying titles - well that's supposed to be the standard but after browsing around I realized that, at least for essays, it has not been adhered to and it's probably too late to do anything about so I would guess it is alright to add pub data to titles although you may want to keep your eyes open in case the issue comes up for discussion. Great work. I have a complete run of Galaxy if that will be of any help.--swfritter 10:32, 27 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Galaxy Science Fiction, Jan 1954
Nice work on Galaxy! I have approved all of your submissions, but could you please check this issue to see if Sibley's "Backlash" is INTERIORTART as opposed to SHORTFICTION? Thanks! Ahasuerus 23:59, 29 Jun 2007 (CDT)


 * You may not have had a chance to take a look at your Talk page recently, so I went ahead and changed Sibley's "Backlash" from SHORTFICTION to INTERIORART.


 * Also, I see that you have been very careful in going through the process of dissociating incorrect titles from Galaxy issues, creating new ones and then deleting publication-less ones. Keep in mind that the underlying reason for this process is that changing a title in a magazine/collection/anthology will change it in all Publications (collections/anthologies/etc) throughout the database. Thus, the process needs to be followed when there is more than one form of the title involved, e.g. if a story/essay has appeared pseudonymously or if it has been published under multiple titles. However, if there is only one form of the title, which seems to be the case with most of your Galaxy essays, then it's safe to change the title directly. Saves a lot of time :) Thanks for editing! Ahasuerus 11:51, 5 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Changing a (Complete Novel) to Shortfiction
I'm 100% in favor of what you've done to the original magazine publication of Jack Vance's NOVELLA The Dragon Masters in Galaxy, August 1962. But we seem to be in the minority here. If you can verify that this version is not the same as the novel version, I'll gladly accept your submission to remove the novel title from this mag. Mhhutchins 19:07, 5 Jul 2007 (CDT)


 * I see you've made another attempt to remove the novel title from this issue. I've placed it on hold, as well, until someone can verify that there's a difference (or not) between the two versions. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:13, 5 Jul 2007 (CDT)


 * Throw my name on this list. The Dragon Masters won the Hugo award for Best Short Story in 1963.  The Version in the August 1962 edition, which is it's first printing as far as I can see, would have to be a Novella.  The version in Asimov's "The Hugo Winners Vol. 2 would also have to be a Novella, because Asimov only published Short Stories in that series of books.  I have also physically verified that the two versions mentioned above are both of the same story, therefore, the version of the story listed as being part of Anthologies/Collections/Magazines, should be merged with the Short Story version, and not the Novel Version.  Unfortunatly, I do not have a copy of the novel version to check.  I just checked, and my Library has a copy of this book, and I will run over tomorrow and check it out and let you know if it is the same or different, provided no one else has been able to give us the answer first. CoachPaul 20:55, 5 Jul 2007 (CDT)


 * Thanks, CoachPaul, for the semi-qualified verification. I was pretty sure that the magazine publication shouldn't be "Complete Novel", but a lot of editors (along with the moderators) have been changing quite a few magazine versions into "Complete Novel" and I'm not ready to jump into that boat. Mhhutchins 21:19, 5 Jul 2007 (CDT)


 * I have a copy of The Dragon Masters as 1/2 of a double with The Five Gold Bands. The cover says "The book that won the Hugo Award for Best Science-Fiction Novel."  There's no indicated that it was revised, expanded, abridged, etc. It runs for 108 pages.  I also have Asimov's The Hugo Winners, Vol 2. where it runs for 83 hardcover pages.  How much of a side-by-side do you need before we can say the 1/2 double and Asimov anthology are the same?


 * As for the type SERIAL (Complete Novel) stuff. I'm one of the people that has sometimes uses this method to deal with stories that then get reprinted either as standalone works or 1/2 of a double.  A while back I tried to pin down, without success, the rules for dealing with stories that were printed in magazines as one or more parts and then reprinted either in magazines or other form in one or more parts.


 * Hmm - I started to compare the stories and ran into a change on page 1... The 4th and 5th paragraphs in the anthology are


 * In the middle of the study stood a naked man.


 * His only covering was the ...


 * In the Ace double it's
 * In the middle of the study stood a naked man, his only covering was the ...


 * Generally though I'm that that good at these side-by-side comparisons where the formatting different. I've often wished I had a decent OCR system that could be used with a camera to get books into machine readable form so that I could do these comparisons.  03:27, 6 Jul 2007 (CDT)


 * It is common for there to be major significant differences between magazine versions and book versions. Gravy Planet was substantially rewritten before being released as The Space Merchants. H. L. Gold and and John W. Campbell were particularly notorius for either rewriting or demanding changes to material but the author had more control when the story was released in book form. This became especially true in the 60's when the book versions of magazine serials often included subject matter that the magazine editors considered to be too sensational. As far as novella vs (complete novel). Technically it's supposed to be the 40,000 word barrier or "a book devoted to a single work". The work is probably slighly less than 40,000 words but since it was published as a single work and it seems to be significantly the same, (complete novel) is probably appropriate.--swfritter 07:02, 6 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Here's a nice little list of the Hugo Award Nominees and Winners from 1960-1965.

1965 The Wanderer by Fritz Leiber The Whole Man by John Brunner Davy by Edgar Pangborn The Planet Buyer by Cordwainer Smith 1964 Here Gather the Stars (aka: Way Station) by Clifford D. Simak Glory Road by Robert A. Heinlein Dune World by Frank Herbert Witch World by Andre Norton Cat's Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. 1963 The Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick The Sword of Aldones by Marion Zimmer Bradley A Fall of Moondust by Arthur C. Clarke Little Fuzzy by H. Beam Piper Sylva by Vercors 1962 Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert A. Heinlein Dark Universe by Daniel F. Galouye Sense of Obligation (book title: Planet of the Damned) by Harry Harrison The Fisherman (book title: Time Is the Simplest Thing) by Clifford D. Simak Second Ending by James White 1961 A Canticle for Leibowitz by Walter M. Miller, Jr. The High Crusade by Poul Anderson Rogue Moon by Algis Budrys Deathworld by Harry Harrison Venus Plus X by Theodore Sturgeon 1960 Starship Troopers by Robert A. Heinlein Dorsai! (alternate title: The Genetic General) by Gordon R. Dickson The Pirates of Ersatz (book title: The Pirates of Zan) by Murray Leinster That Sweet Little Old Lady (book title: Brain Twister) by Mark Phillips The Sirens of Titan by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. Not a mention of "The Dragon Masters" by Jack Vance anywhere. So just when did this Short Story Hugo winner win the award for Novel too. I hate it when when publications lie, but it seems to happen all of the time. Give me a few hours and we'll see if the standalone "Novel" version was a rewrite. CoachPaul 07:17, 6 Jul 2007 (CDT)


 * Where's that list from, Paul? We have a list here already, which I suppose should be considered canonical or argued about, although not even a Mod can fix it if we disagree with it. BLongley 14:23, 6 Jul 2007 (CDT)


 * The main problem with not entering it as a serial is that the works will be listed separately in the novel and short story categories despite the fact that they may be substantially the same work. The (complete novel) designated as a Serial seems a little weird to me, too but it's my impression this was a compromise designed to designate works greater than novella length and also allow book publications to be tied to single issue appearances.--swfritter 08:02, 6 Jul 2007 (CDT)


 * Well, I picked up a First Printing copy of the 2003-08-00 tp "Definative Edition" by Ibooks, and not only is it the same text as in the Galaxy Magazine that won the Hugo for best Short Story in 1963, the book is in actuallity either an Omnibus or a Colection because it contains the Novella "The Last Castle" too. I say we ignore the hype, and take the advice of the nominating committee for the 1963 Hugo's and mark it as what it truly is, a Short Story/Novella.  CoachPaul 13:19, 6 Jul 2007 (CDT)


 * Is that what this thread is about? I have very little attachment to designations such as Short Story, Novella, Novel, etc.


 * BTW - I prefer to add a title, usually of type OMNIBUS, that would be named The Dragon Masters / The Five Gold Bands. In this case the title records are
 * The Five Gold Bands type NOVEL included in the magazines, dos-a-dos, and standalone publications as needed.
 * The Dragon Masters type NOVEL
 * The Dragon Masters (Complete Novel) type SERIAL - has note that explains it's uncertain if the various versions of the story are the same and if the records should be merged.
 * The Dragon Masters type SHORTFICTION
 * I need to run but am thinking of shifting this over to the rules/standards page to see if there are rules we can agree on for dealing with potentially modified stories and if we should just go with a single title record until there's documented evidence of a revision in which case a second title record gets added along with the sourced-documentation on that this is for a revised story. 13:58, 6 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Hugo Award List From the Discussion Above This One
I cut and paste the Hugo List above from Wikipedia.com after verifying it at www.Hugo.org. It agrees with ours, I just didn't lable it properly. It's a list of Novels that won the Hugo from 1960-1965. I didn't bother to put in the Short Story list which Novella's were a part of until 1968 when they got their own separate category. CoachPaul 17:13, 6 Jul 2007 (CDT)

To Open the Sky
You submitted a new variant title of

The new title is 661749 but I'm not sure what the plan is with having a VT that has the same title/author as the original. 13:25, 7 Jul 2007 (CDT)


 * I've seen other submissions that are along the same line from Alibrarian and other editors. I realized that the editor was clicking the bottom "Submit" on the Make Variant page instead of the top one, in which they've placed the parent record number.  I'd done this more than once before I became a moderator (and, I red-faced admit that I've done it since, but was able to catch myself during the approval process.) Mhhutchins 13:45, 7 Jul 2007 (CDT)


 * Yes, I'm sure I've made the same error myself. It's not a very intuitive page. :-( TWO different "Submit" buttons are asking for trouble. BLongley 19:27, 7 Jul 2007 (CDT)


 * I had wondered if that would ever happen. I suspect a fix would be for the bottom button to check to see if anything is entered in the Parent Record # field and to either pop-up a warning or to silently use the parent #.  23:44, 1 Aug 2007 (CDT)

Variant of Masters' Choice/18 Greatest Science Fiction Stories
I believe you wanted to create variant of the anthology title, but you were using the title record for the Spider Robinson review of the anthology. This is what I did: Now the Spider Robinson review appears on the title page created for 18 Greatest Science Fiction Stories Let me know if that was your submission's intention. Thanks. Mhhutchins 12:14, 1 Aug 2007 (CDT)
 * 1) Unmerged the publication record for 18 Greatest Science Fiction Stories from the title record for Masters' Choice
 * 2) Created a variant title for "18 Greatest Science Fiction Stories" with "Masters' Choice" as the parent.

Beecham changed from essay to interior art
Your verified pub: Galaxy February 1953. Interior art by Beecham for Saucer of Loneliness was listed as essay.--swfritter 09:15, 11 Aug 2007 (CDT)

If (January 1955) Edited
You verified pub: If (January 1955) was changed. Total page count increased to include covers, and pagination of several illustrations were changed to actual location.--Rkihara 17:42, 22 Aug 2007 (CDT)

Galaxy October 1950
Your verified pub: Galaxy October 1950 was changed. Total page count increased to include covers.--Rkihara 10:27, 25 Aug 2007 (CDT)

Galaxy January 1951
Your verfied pub: Galaxy January 1951 was changed. Total page count increased to include covers, "Editorial Page" appended to title of editorial.--Rkihara 13:03, 25 Aug 2007 (CDT)
 * Reply: I didn't include covers in pagination because the interior pages started with page 1. I also did not include "Editorial Page" in the title because it didn't appear on the page, only on the contents page.  What is the policy of transcribing titles?  When the contents page title differs from the page title, I have been entering as it appears on the page. --Alibrarian 00:30, 16 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Galaxy November 1951
Your verified pub: Galaxy November 1951 was changed. Incomplete data set entered from a misprinted issue was completed from an intact copy.--Rkihara 23:28, 25 Aug 2007 (CDT)

Verified pubs: Galaxy
I'm filling in info for Galaxy, working my way up from 1950. I've changed several of your verified pubs, mostly for pagination. I plan to continue up to about 1955 before taking a break, but will stop posting notifications for any changes to your verifications to avoid cluttering your page.--Rkihara 14:55, 27 Aug 2007 (CDT)
 * Reply: Let me know if there are really serious changes. I wasn't including the covers in the pagination when the page numbering started with 1 instead of 3. --Alibrarian 00:22, 16 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Astounding, February 1949
Is it your intent to modify the entire Astounding series to remove the word 'Editor:' from the the editorials? I've been looking through the other issues in the series and note that it is the common practice for the other Astounding issues to use "Editor:" before the title of the editorial. I realize that this is somewhat contrary to the desired practice of entering only the text found on the title page of stories and essays but in this case I think a little flexibility might be in order so that the data will be consistent.--swfritter 09:17, 4 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Fantastic Adventures May 1941
I changed the editor of this pub back to B. G. Davis. There'a always going to be dispute when there's an "Editor-in-Chief" and an "Managing Editor". So I fall back on Marshall Tymn's and Mike Ashley's Science Fiction, Fantasy, and Weird Fiction Magazines as the definitive source. We'll give credit to the person who writes the editorial if it's signed, but leave the editor-in-chief as the publication's editor in the EDITOR field. Thanks. Mhhutchins 09:41, 9 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Reply: I see. Since Palmer had signed the editorial, I thought he would be the proper choice instead of Davis. Thanks for explaining what to do in this situation. --Alibrarian 22:01, 15 Sep 2007 (CDT)

If July, 1961 on hold
Is there some reason you assigned a date of 0000-00-00 to the West artwork on page 109? You can post an answer on your page.--swfritter 12:03, 10 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Answer: Sorry, it must have been a typo and it should have been 1961-07-00 --Alibrarian 20:39, 15 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Cartoons
You verified the following pub http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?IMGAPR1956 so I am assuming that you did the data entry. If you did not enter the data I apologize but you still may find it helpful to know that the rules for Cartoons are:

Rules for including artwork. If artwork illustrates a particular story, it should be included. If it does not, but is a significant piece of artwork, or is signed by or credited to a well known sf artist, then it should be included. Credited cartoons are always included. Uncredited full-page cartoons in digest magazines or at least 1/3 page cartoons in pulp and bedsheet size magazines are always included. The title should be "Cartoon: " followed by the caption, in the original case, between quotation marks. If there is no caption the words "no caption" should be used without quotation marks. See the February 1957 issue of Dream World for examples (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?DRMWRLDFEB1957) If an article is illustrated with diagrams, or with photographs, these do not need to be included; they are not "artwork" in the sense that we are indexing.--swfritter 12:39, 11 Sep 2007 (CDT)


 * Answer: I have been adding credited cartoons with their captions in the title (and correcting older entries I made) with the caption in the title as: Cartoon: "..caption...".  I will start using the form:  Cartoon: no caption  when they applies from now on for those cases.  Thank you for the information.  --Alibrarian 15:30, 15 Sep 2007 (CDT)


 * I have approved a number of your cartoon caption changes and corrected the spelling in a few cases, but I am not sure whether "Get him. Smedley! Let's see what kind of stuff you're made of!" was supposed to be "Get him, Smedley! Let's see what kind of stuff you're made of!" ? (note the difference in punctuation) Could you please double check? Thanks! Ahasuerus 22:54, 15 Sep 2007 (CDT)


 * Reply: I see my typo. It's a comma, not a period.  So it should start "Get him, Smedley!....


 * Also, is the punctuation/spelling in Cartoon: "We" just let 'nature take its couse'." correct? Ahasuerus 23:09, 15 Sep 2007 (CDT)


 * Reply: I need a new pair of glasses.  It should read   "We'll just let 'nature take its course'."


 * Thanks, looks much better now! :) Ahasuerus 00:34, 16 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Books columns - submissions on hold
Are you intending to change all references to The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction in the Books column to F&SF. I think that might be a good idea but could affect a lot of data and the idea should be proposed to other editors before continuing perhaps on http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions. I haven't had any responses from you so I am not sure you are able to access this page because of the problems we have been having but I don't know any other way to communicate with you.--swfritter 07:57, 13 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Answer: I have been reviewing earlier entries I made and been changing "The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction" to the shorter "F&SF" when used inside parens for the Books Column. What do you think is the right form to use when adding this glosses? The full official name or the familiar abbreviation? I've seen both and started out using the long form, but the short form seemed cleaner. --Alibrarian 15:16, 15 Sep 2007 (CDT)


 * Rejecting a small edit, with a link to the WORKING Talk Page in the Rejection Notes, has been known to help establish communication before. It might work with re-establishing communications during these troubles. BLongley 16:59, 13 Sep 2007 (CDT)
 * You may have noticed that when you hit "save page" you get kicked out of the Wiki. This is a resent problem between the isfdb.org and the tamu.org side of things. Your change will be saved. After hitting save page and you get the cannot display page just hit the back button and click on recent changes in the navigation box. You'll see all the other changes by everyone else. Hope this helps :-)Kraang 21:17, 15 Sep 2007 (CDT)


 * Glad to finally hear from you. The Wiki is wacky. I think a huge majority of entries are the long form. My feeling is that the form should be standard. If we start using the short form than we should go back and change all the essay entries in all 666 issues of F&SF. That might be as many as 1500 or more entries. We will more than likely be hearing opinions from others but if we don't we should go to the rules and standards page. If you would be willing to take on that task my own personal would be do it but we need input from the community. There is no requirement for owning all the issues to accomplish this task. Another similar issue involves the Analog editorial entries. Taking the word 'Editorial' out of the title where the word may not appear in the title may be technically correct but there are a lot of entries that are already done in that manner.--swfritter 07:29, 16 Sep 2007 (CDT)
 * I was only changing the editorial titles in cases where I have the issue and the word does not appear the actual page. Since I can't determine the situation in all situations where I don't have a copy, I will leave the entry as entered even when I do have the issue in hand
 * Good. When I was first editing I was also intent on making things exactly right but there is so much work to do that it isn't worth focusing on secondary issues. As you suggest it almost requires owning every issue - an expensive proposition.--swfritter 09:14, 16 Sep 2007 (CDT)

--Alibrarian 08:44, 16 Sep 2007 (CDT)

I have cleaned up all the F&SF entries, accepted the Analog entry and then fixed it up. I kind of wish F&SF had been used but sometimes you just have to go with the flow.--swfritter 10:53, 18 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Okay. Thanks for helping me out. --Alibrarian 19:10, 18 Sep 2007 (CDT)

The New Prehistory
The translator is not added as an author. Just add a note to the title (as you have done) listing him as the translator. I will approve the submission and remove Knight as an author. I did the same thing when the first time I came upon a translated story. Hopefully at sometime in the future we will actually have a separate data entry area for translators.--swfritter 07:44, 16 Sep 2007 (CDT)


 * Thanks for the heads up on translations. Will make note, but no author credit. --Alibrarian 08:30, 16 Sep 2007 (CDT)


 * Adding support for translators is on Al's list of things to do. It's not quite as simple as it sounds, though: the same title can be translated by different translators, which suggests that we may need to add the Translator field to the Publication level as opposed to the Title level, our original intent. Ahasuerus 12:56, 16 Sep 2007 (CDT)


 * Oh, definitely Pub level unless we start making all foreign titles variants rather than keep them under the original title. "Narrator" for audio books would probably need similar. I see that the Narrator of the Unabridged versions is usually different from the one for the Abridged versions - some people just seem to be able to talk for longer more easily! I also see that certain pubs have, or will have, both problems... BLongley 14:07, 16 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Plumage from Pegasus Oct/Nov 2007 F&SF
I rejected this entry earlier in hopes of finding some way of communicating with you. That accomplished, I have added the series designation to the article. I still have on hold the book columns with the shortened version of the magazine title.--swfritter 08:02, 16 Sep 2007 (CDT)


 * Thanks. In regard to the short versus long form of mag titles in glosses, I guess I have go with the majority of entries and follow the longer form. It seemed simpler to say F&SF instead of The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction.  And Galaxy, Astounding, Analog, Amazing, etc.  --Alibrarian 08:40, 16 Sep 2007 (CDT)

The Drone (in Avon Fantasy Reader no. 6)
I'm not sure of the right action to take. This story by A. Merritt appears here under the title: The Drone. I went to the title to edit and this title is listed as a variant title to: The Drone Man. I don't see exactly what I should do. Unmerge titles? --Alibrarian 21:38, 17 Sep 2007 (CDT)


 * I went ahead and fixed the publication by adding a new story, "The Drone"; then using Remove Title on the exiting "The Drone Man"; and finally merging the newly created "The Drone" with the existing version of "The Drone". The latter Title had already been set up as a variant title of "The Drone Man", so I kept the variant title relationship during the merge. I also added an EDITOR record for Donald A. Wollheim, so we are all set now :) Ahasuerus 22:53, 18 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Fantastic Adventures December 1952
'Pulp format' should be just 'Pulp'. I will fix. It is incredible the number of short articles in the 'Fantastic Adventures' and 'Amazing' in that time period.--swfritter 20:33, 20 Sep 2007 (CDT)


 * Noted. It's a lot of little filler pieces, only half pages (or even less!) --Alibrarian 21:22, 20 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Author Update
When updating the data for an author, the format for Legal Name should be: Last, First Middle. Thanks. Mhhutchins 10:55, 22 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Verifying pubs
I may not have mentioned this before, but it's best to wait until your submission updating a pub has been approved before you verify the pub. When a moderator sees a submission to update a verified pub, we have to take the extra step of making sure that the new content doesn't conflict with the verified copy's existing data. And if we reject a submission for any reason, then you've already verified a pub that doesn't match the copy that you have in hand. In other words, only verify a pub record that is already in the state that matches your copy. Thanks. Mhhutchins 11:20, 22 Sep 2007 (CDT)


 * Okay. Thank you --Alibrarian 14:23, 22 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Fantastic July 1962
I have placed the 'According to You. . .' on hold. How do you know that Cele Goldsmith wrote the responses to the letters? The responses are not signed.

I am currently working through the entire Fantastic series and was thinking about contacting you to see if you wanted to do some series work on the data. There is a lot of work that can be done even if you do not own all the issues. I accepted your editorial series submission but was thinking about breaking the editorial series also by year - for instance - 'Editorial (Fantastic - 1962)'. This is all new data so we don't have to worry about changing anything in a way that somebody else might object to.--swfritter 11:44, 23 Sep 2007 (CDT)


 * Looking again at the issue, I see that I am making an assumption that I really should not. The responses are unsigned. I made the leap from the fact that most of the letters were addressed to her to her being the person answering or making comments in response.


 * I will reject. She probably did answer them but it might have been Lobsenz. If you want to make a series of the letter columns it might be a good idea to include 'Fantastic' in the series name just in case another magazine has a letter column of the same name. I still have some cleanup work to do. The ellipsis in these entries should be entered with spaces between the periods and through the magic of copy and paste I managed to do a number of them incorrectly.--swfritter 20:47, 23 Sep 2007 (CDT)


 * I have about one half of the Fantastic run (scattered with many breaks, Nov./Dec. 1952 to June 1977). I'll go along with the year designations if you want.  Let me know and I'll follow that pattern.  --Alibrarian 13:25, 23 Sep 2007 (CDT)


 * Do you like the idea of doing the editorials that way? I am not totally locked in to the idea. I can clean up things up if we don't like the results. You seem to have a lot of good ideas in this area and this is a chance to do some minor experimentation. I wish I had known you had that many issues. This is a project we could have worked on together along with Rikhara and I probably should have invited you both. I have verifed all the unverifed issues that I have been working on - I should have done so earlier. Unfortuneately that includes everthing in your collection. I have been working in such obscure areas of the system that I haven't had to worry about collisions with other editors. Are there any other major runs of magazines that you own? Amazing digests?--swfritter 20:47, 23 Sep 2007 (CDT)


 * So how do you like the way the editorial series that you entered looks?--swfritter 12:51, 24 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Linking Wikipedia images
Please take a look at this note about linking to Wikipedia images when you get a chance. Thanks! Ahasuerus 16:47, 23 Sep 2007 (CDT)


 * I removed the Alan Dean Foster image that I should not have approved. I should have caught that one.--swfritter 16:55, 23 Sep 2007 (CDT)


 * How do you use an image from Wikipedia other than copying the image location? Or does that mean, just don't use Wikipedia images? --Alibrarian 16:58, 23 Sep 2007 (CDT)


 * Unfortunately, I can't think of a way to link a Wikipedia image without "deep linking" it :( Ahasuerus 17:00, 23 Sep 2007 (CDT)


 * We're in the "Part-Wiki, Part-Database" category at the moment: we make a lot of effort in linking to Wikipedia, they make quite a lot of effort in linking to the ISFDB, so it SHOULD be OK in the end. It just takes a little effort in talking to people first: Wiki[p|m]edia might take a little more effort than some, as it's probably a committee decision: but I got three permissions from three Emails so "asking nicely" seems to work pretty well. BLongley 17:36, 23 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Fantasy Books series
Do you think 'Fantasy Books (Fantastic)' might be better than 'Fantasy Books'? I have that submission on hold temporarily. Looks like you like doing the editorials grouped by years. So far I like it but you may not want to change huge chunks of data until we get some feedback. I like the wikipedia and imdb biography links.--swfritter 13:06, 25 Sep 2007 (CDT)

New Worlds November 1954
Have approved your submission. Your New Worlds holding exceed mine by at least one.

Page count - Shouldn't this be 132 (128 for inside pages plus 4 for covers)?

Title - New Worlds or New Worlds Science Fiction. [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Publication_Information Publication Information in Help can help you determine this.

Column title qualifiers like 'Book reviews (New Worlds Science Fiction, Nov. 1954)' perhaps could be shortened to 'Book reviews (New Worlds, Nov. 1954)'. A little more concise. It may depend on what you determine to be the actual title of the magazine.--swfritter 13:25, 25 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Galaxy SF 1955 Up
I'm filling in Galaxy again, continuing on from January 1955, and I've modified several of your verified pubs mostly for pagination. I had assumed earlier that you were not too concerned about the changes, since your responses came a bit after my notifications. From your follow-ups I gathered that you don't mind me changing the pagination without notification, but you did want to be notified about "serious" changes. Let me know if that's correct, and at what level you wish to be notified.--Rkihara 01:07, 26 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Galaxy titles
You may be interested in this post about the correct title for Galaxy.--swfritter 11:20, 29 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Accidental rejection f&sf october 1961
Everything was fine, I distracted by other thoughts and hit the wrong button. I will re-enter your changes myself. Sorry!--swfritter 12:21, 30 Sep 2007 (CDT)

All fixed. You may want to double check. Sorry again.--swfritter 12:45, 30 Sep 2007 (CDT)

f&sf Feb 1962
The book reviews are repeated. Feb. should be spelled out (also Feb. 1963). Will let you fix.--swfritter 15:56, 1 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Author Update
As mentioned before - Last Name, First Name(s) for Author Updates please. BLongley 14:23, 6 Oct 2007 (CDT)


 * Ditto. I just approved and modified a couple of them.--swfritter 15:50, 6 Oct 2007 (CDT)


 * And Tennyson.--swfritter 16:07, 6 Oct 2007 (CDT)


 * I'd point him at the help page in another reject message, except that the last bit misleads people into using unapproved images. Can you think of a better example? BLongley 16:28, 6 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Woolrich and Irwin author updates
You are still putting the the legal names in wrong. I have been fixing them for you after accepting the submissions but have put these on hold but will start rejecting them automatically. Please make sure you have a watch on your talk page so you know when you have messages.--swfritter 13:28, 9 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Wodehouse on hold
Once again the legal name is done incorrectly.--swfritter 13:49, 10 Oct 2007 (CDT)


 * Same with "Esther Elizabeth Carlson". It's not just Swfritter getting a little annoyed. BLongley 14:23, 10 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Hamm submissions on Hold
You are still not doing the legal names correctly.--swfritter 13:52, 13 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Chandler submission on hold
Legal name again. I am going to put all of your submissions on hold until I can get your attention.--swfritter 13:59, 13 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Temp Notes
Many Temp Notes entries appear in your verified pubs. If memory serves me correctly I think you put them there. If they are yours, do you have an organized plan for removing them?--swfritter 14:04, 14 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Fantastic Adventures, October 1944
You verified this pub on 2007-06-18 but I think you forgot to remove "Cats of Kadenza (Complete Novel)" and take out the temporary note. At 71 pages in a pulp this story might be close to the 40,000 word barrier. How id you determine the word count? I will remove the title and fix the temporary note.--swfritter 15:39, 15 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Verified pub Galaxy Sept. 1969
Your verified pub Galaxy Sept. 1969 was modified to change pagination, and add artist attribution for two illustrations. The essay "The Substances of Life," by Lester del Rey could not be found within. Please advise.--Rkihara 00:15, 18 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Most submissions approved
I fixed up the legal names. I can get you a list of all the magazines that had 'TEMP NOTE' in the notes when the last backup was done if you would like to work on cleaning them up. Putting that notation in the notes was very helpful. I have been very frustrated at the lack of communication. Most editors have not had a problem accessing their own talk pages and you should be seeing these messages. I am nearly done with Fantastic and I have some series work that can be done there if you are interested.--swfritter 16:16, 18 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Galaxy, November 1973
In this magazine verified by you I've changed author of the reviewed 'View from Another Shore' from Fritz Rottensteiner to the correct name Franz Rottensteiner and added a note to the pub. Could you check if this was a typo in the Galaxy, November 1973? Thanks. --Roglo 09:42, 19 Jan 2008 (CST)

Fantasy & Science Fiction, Oct./Nov. 2007
In your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FSFOCT2007 F&SF Oct./Nov. 2007] I've changed 207 • Urudumheim • novelette by Michael Swanwick to Urdumheim (after checking in my copy of the mag.). --Roglo 11:22, 28 Jan 2008 (CST)

Changes to your verified Analog October 1964
I made the following changes: I've also entered in Rules & Standards discussions a question about "Professional Dilemma" & how it should be entered, hoping to get some discussion of this series & how to handle it. Feel free to discuss any of these things with me. Thanks -- Dave (davecat) 16:15, 3 Feb 2008 (CST)
 * volume number (in note) to Roman numeral
 * added note about British cover price
 * changed page count to 100 (includes front & back covers, both sides)
 * added editorial entry by John W. Campbell. Removed from pub the one for John W. Campbell, Jr. Will make the former a variant of the latter, after these changes are approved.
 * added pub note about illustration p. 17
 * added pub note about "Professional Dilemma"
 * added additional illustrations & pub notes about them
 * added In Times to Come
 * changed page # for interiorart from 47 to 52
 * changed subtitle of The Reference Library to use em-dash instead of two hyphens (ISFDB software may defeat this by treating it as a non-change, though)
 * added "N.E.W.S. Questions" and a pub note about it

Astounding November 1958
Your verified pub: Astounding November 1958 is being changed to add data from an intact copy. I may also add data to other issues if I have a more complete copy. Thx, rbh (Bob) 19:51, 12 Feb 2008 (CST)

Changes to your verified Analog August 1964
I made the following changes: Feel free to discuss any of these things with me. Thanks -- Dave (davecat) 11:26, 26 Feb 2008 (CST)
 * volume number (in note) to Roman numeral
 * added note about British cover price
 * changed page count to 100 (includes front & back covers, both sides)
 * changed page # for interiorart from 17 to 18
 * added In Times to Come
 * added review of Lovecraft: a Symposium & a pub note
 * added pub note about reprint notices on p. 88
 * added editorial entry by John W. Campbell. Removed from pub the one for John W. Campbell, Jr. Will make the former a variant of the latter, after these changes are approved.

Changes to your verified Analog July 1964
I made the following changes: Feel free to discuss any of these things with me. Thanks -- Dave (davecat) 14:38, 26 Feb 2008 (CST)
 * volume number (in note) to Roman numeral
 * added note about British cover price
 * changed page count to 100 (includes front & back covers, both sides)
 * added In Times to Come
 * added reviews of reprints & a pub note
 * added editorial entry by John W. Campbell. Removed from pub the one for John W. Campbell, Jr. Will make the former a variant of the latter, after these changes are approved.

Changes to your verified Analog June 1964
I made the following changes: Feel free to discuss any of these things with me. Thanks -- Dave (davecat) 13:01, 27 Feb 2008 (CST)
 * volume number (in note) to Roman numeral
 * added note about British cover price
 * added note about editorial title format
 * added note about drawing on p. 27
 * added note about illustration on p. 50
 * added note about review of Ace double (& apostrophe)
 * added note about reprint/reissue reviews
 * added illustration credit for "Undercurrents" installment (credit is on p. 53)
 * changed page count to 100 (includes front & back covers, both sides)
 * added In Times to Come
 * added additional illustration credits for "Stuck", "Dolphin's Way", "Snap Judgment", "Undercurrents" (installment), "Mustn't Touch"
 * changed title from "Snap Judgement" to "Snap Judgment" (removed "e")
 * changed illustration page # from 28 to 29
 * changed illustration page # from 71 to 73
 * added editorial entry by John W. Campbell. Removed from pub the one for John W. Campbell, Jr. Will make the former a variant of the latter, after these changes are approved.

Changes to your verified Analog May 1964
I made the following changes: Feel free to discuss any of these things with me. Thanks -- Dave (davecat) 11:28, 11 Mar 2008 (CDT)
 * volume number (in note) to Roman numeral
 * added note about British cover price
 * changed page count to 100 (includes front & back covers, both sides)
 * added In Times to Come
 * added editorial entry by John W. Campbell. Removed from pub the one for John W. Campbell, Jr. Will make the former a variant of the latter, after these changes are approved.
 * Changed author of science fact article (removed "Capt.") and added note ("Capt." is found in TOC but not at article)
 * added note about stated length of "Once a Cop"
 * changed illustration page number from 17 to 18
 * added "Palmistry; 1964!" & pub note
 * added pub note on reviews on p. 85
 * added pub note on reviews of The Ship from Outside & Beyond the Galactic Rim (Ace double)
 * added reviews of reprints & a pub note

Changes to your verified Analog April 1964
I made the following changes: Feel free to discuss any of these things with me. Thanks -- Dave (davecat) 13:25, 20 Mar 2008 (CDT)
 * volume number (in note) to Roman numeral
 * added note about British cover price
 * changed page count to 102 (includes front & back covers, both sides), & added note about bound-in subscription card which seems to be pages 81-82
 * added In Times to Come
 * added editorial entry by John W. Campbell. Removed from pub the one for John W. Campbell, Jr. Will make the former a variant of the latter, after these changes are approved.
 * changed page # for illustration from 17 to 18
 * added interiorart credits on pp. 27, 42, 45, 56, 60, 65, 70, 76
 * changed "&" to "and" in title of Marois book being reviewed & added note
 * added pub note about Macmillan Classics reviews
 * added review of The Million Cities
 * added reprint-notice reviews & pub note

Changes to your verified Analog March 1964
I made the following changes: Feel free to discuss any of these things with me. Thanks -- Dave (davecat) 14:44, 26 Mar 2008 (CDT)
 * volume number (in note) to Roman numeral
 * added note about British cover price
 * changed page count to 100 (includes front & back covers, both sides)
 * added second author for The World of Flying Saucers
 * added pub note about Edward C. Walterscheid's name
 * added In Times to Come
 * added editorial entry by John W. Campbell. Removed from pub the one for John W. Campbell, Jr. Will make the former a variant of the latter, after these changes are approved.
 * changed page # for illustration from 67 to 68
 * added interiorart credits on pp. 22, 27, 32, 39, 44, 57, 60, 63, 74, 79
 * added pub note about review of The World of Flying Saucers
 * added pub note about review of The Astronauts Must Not Land & The Space-Time Juggler (Ace double)
 * added review of 3 in 1
 * added reprint-notice reviews & pub note, & "From Fandom" reviews & pub note

Changes to your verified Analog November 1963
I made the following changes: Feel free to discuss any of these things with me. Thanks -- Dave (davecat) 14:45, 2 Apr 2008 (CDT)
 * volume number (in note) to Roman numeral
 * changed page count to 100 (includes front & back covers, both sides)
 * added note about editorial title
 * added note about story length for "Take the Reason Prisoner"
 * added In Times to Come
 * added editorial entry by John W. Campbell. Removed from pub the one for John W. Campbell, Jr. Will make the former a variant of the latter, after these changes are approved.
 * changed page # for illustration from 17 to 20 & added note
 * added interiorart credits on pp. 25, 29, 34, 39, 46, 52, 55, 60, 65, 70, 79
 * added note about review of The Last Horizon
 * added note review of Captives of the Flame & The Psionic Menace (Ace double)
 * added reprint-notice reviews & pub note

Changes to your verified Analog October 1963
I made the following changes: Feel free to discuss any of these things with me. Thanks -- Dave (davecat) 10:32, 7 Apr 2008 (CDT)
 * volume number (in note) to Roman numeral
 * added note about title of "Where I Wasn't Going" (why no quotes), & removed quotes from illustration credit's title
 * added series to The Observatory
 * added In Times to Come
 * added editorial entry by John W. Campbell. Removed from pub the one for John W. Campbell, Jr. Made the former a variant of the latter.
 * added note about illustrations on pp. 44-45
 * changed page # for illustration from 50 to 51
 * added interiorart credits on pp. 21, 26, 30, 35, 40, 45, 49, 54, 57, 62, 67, 73, 77
 * added note about review of Explorers of the Infinite
 * added note about review of Dolphin Island & Penelope (combined review)

Avon Science Fiction and Fantasy Reader, April 1953
You verified this but I'm not so sure of a couple of the titles: my copy of The Twenty-Second Century has the stories "Breaking Point" and "The Rather Improbable History of Hiliary Kiffer" as "Breaking-Point" (with hyphen) and "The Rather Improbable History of Hilary Kiffer" (only one "i" in Hilary). Can you double-check please? BLongley 14:07, 9 Apr 2008 (CDT)


 * It so happens that I have this magazine pulled out of confinement and waiting to be verified on the 19th, so even if Alibrarian doesn't see this message, I'll have it addressed in the next 2 weeks :) Ahasuerus 15:11, 9 Apr 2008 (CDT)


 * Swfritter solved the issue concerning "Hiliary" in a response on my talk page. Should have been "Hillary". MHHutchins 01:00, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds good, thanks! Ahasuerus 01:33, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Changes to your verified Analogs
From here on I'll just add a line for each such changed issue, unless I hear from you that you want more. I'll try to mention anything really out of the ordinary. -- Dave (davecat) 09:24, 10 Apr 2008 (CDT)
 * September 1963.  -- Dave (davecat) 09:24, 10 Apr 2008 (CDT)
 * August 1963. I changed "Controlled Experiment" from novelette to shortstory & added note.  The table of contents supports the former, but it's only two pages.  This story does not appear in other pubs. -- Dave (davecat) 20:12, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * June 1963. -- Dave (davecat) 20:47, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * May 1963. -- Dave (davecat) 21:08, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * April 1963. -- Dave (davecat) 21:05, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * March 1963. -- Dave (davecat) 15:35, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Changing ESSAY to REVIEW
I accepted your edit to make this title part of the "Books (F&SF)" series, but had to revert it to an ESSAY type, not as the REVIEW type of your submission. Review columns should be essays, and the books reviewed are each given a separate record. REVIEW records require three elements: title of book under review, author of book under review, and the reviewer's name. Thanks. MHHutchins 00:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Changes to your verified Analogs & Astoundings
I am adding individual illustrations to your verified Analogs to be consistent with what we have been doing with this magazine and making an occasional other minor change. I will list them below as I come do them. Thx
 * February 1978 -- rbh (Bob) 00:14, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * March 1949 -- rbh (Bob) 14:30, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * October 1955 -- rbh (Bob) 14:30, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * May 1995 -- rbh (Bob) 00:53, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Changes to your verifed pub, F&SF 2007
Added cover images to your verified pubs, F&SF, 2007 - 03,04,05,07,08,10/11.--Rkihara 17:24, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Changes to verified pub, Fantastic Nov-Dec 1953
Added cartoons pp. 35,68, and 125.--Rkihara 23:04, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Verification request
Could you please check this discussion when you get a chance? Thanks! Ahasuerus 23:15, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Changes to Your Verified Pubs: Astounding 01, 03, 04, 06 - 1939
The following changes were made to your verified pubs. Authorship of editorials changed to "The Editor," as signed. Titles "Brass Tacks" and "Science Discussions" combined to reflect actual column title (the columns were separated in October 1939). Author of same changed to "The Editor." Authorship of "Analytical Lab" changed to reflect signature on column. Added column "In Times to Come." Added "Navigation Bar" to top of notes.--Rkihara 05:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Appended publication date for stories rated in the "Analytical Lab."--Rkihara 16:32, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

06/1939 - Added "all" artwork. Added H. Wesso credits for the interior illustrations of: "Pressure," "Done in Oil," and "Hermit of Mars." Added Edd Cartier credit for illustrations used in "When the Future Dies." Changed illustration credit for "The Morons" from "Charles Schneeman" to "Schneeman" as signed and credited. Added essay "Sensitive Instruments." Checked transient verification.--Rkihara 02:55, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

04/1939 - Added "all" artwork. Changed illustration credit for the cover and interior from "Charles Schneeman" to "Schneeman" as signed, and credited in the TOC. Added notes, and essay regarding the cover illustration. Added H.W. Wesso credit for the interior illustration of "The Cache," and changed the page number of the illustration from 110 to 111. Checked transient verification.--Rkihara 03:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

03/1939 - Added "all" artwork. Changed "Charles Schneeman" to "C. Schneeman" as signed. Added essay on p.99. Added "In Times to Come." Added to notes. Checked transient verification.--Rkihara 03:38, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

01/1939 - Added "all" artwork. Added to notes. Checked transient verification.--Rkihara 05:56, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Verified Pubs: Astounding 1943
May 1943 - Changed your verified pub. Added all illustrations, changed page numbers for illustrations to actual page that they appear on. Changed all instances of artist's name "Kramer" to "F. Kramer" as signed. Removed art credit for Olga Ley, since it was a technical illustration. Changed author of Editorial, and Brass Tacks from John W. Campbell, to "The Editor." Added "In Times to Come." Linked to series.--Rkihara 03:49, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

July 1943 - Changed your verified pub. Added all illustrations, changed page numbers for illustrations to actual page that they appear on. Changed artist "Williams" to "A. Williams," and "Kramer" to "F. Kramer," as signed. Changed author of Editorial, The Analytical Laboratory, and Brass Tacks from John W. Campbell, to "The Editor." Added date of issue for The Analytical Laboratory.

Changes to Your Verified Pubs: Astounding 1949
General: add Nav Bar, all interior illustrations listed, and on page they appear, and additional notes added. Checked "Transient Verification" to indicate secondary edit. Normalized appearance of notes; removed html, changed vol. no. from Roman, to Arabic.

02/1949 - Cover credit changed from "Hubert Rogers," to "Rogers" as credited. Added "In Times to Come." Changed credit for "Brass Tacks," and the AnLab to "The Editor." Added essay p. 99.--Rkihara 03:05, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

03/1949- Cover credit changed from "Alejandro Canedo," to "Alejandro" as credited. Added "In Times to Come." Changed credit for "Brass Tacks" from "uncredited" to "The Editor.--Rkihara 03:19, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

06/1949 - Cover credit changed from "Chesley Bonestell," to "Bonestell" as credited. Added essay p. 129. Removed duplicated entries, Reviews, Brass Tacks, and The World of Nightmare Fantasies. Changed credit for Brass Tacks, Editorial, and AnLab from John W. Campbell, Jr. to "The Editor." Added date of issue reviewed in AnLab--Rkihara 18:29, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Changes to Your Verified Pubs: Astounding 1951
General: add Nav Bar, all interior illustrations listed, and on page they appear, and additional notes added. Added missing departments, and linked to series. Checked "Transient Verification" to indicate secondary edit.

06/1951 - Cover credit change to "Rogers" as credited. Editorial credit changed to "The Editor" as signed. Added Anlab, In Times to Come, Brass Tacks, and Book Reviews.--Rkihara 20:47, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

08/1951 - Cover credit change to "Van Dongen" as credited. Replaced abbreviations for months with full spelling. Identified issue rated in Anlab. Removed John W. Campbell credit for The Anlab, the Editorial, and replaced with "The Editor," as signed. Credited Brass Tacks to "The Editor." Changed interior art credit for "Prometheus" from Van Dongen to Cartier, as signed. Linked unlinked reviews. Changed title of essay "Things to Come" to "In Times to Come," as titled.--Rkihara 19:41, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

09/1951 - Replace John W. Campbell credit for the editorial, with "The Editor," as signed. Added Anlab, In Times to Come, Book Reviews, illustrations, and Brass Tacks. Added essay "Of Wide Interest, No Doubt."--Rkihara 20:26, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

12/1951 - Changed authorship of Anlab, and the Editorial, from John W. Campbell, to "The Editor" as signed. Credited Brass Tacks to "The Editor." Changed Hubert Rogers to "Rogers" as signed and credited.--Rkihara 02:47, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Changes to Your Verified Pub Astounding: Dec. 1938
Added Nav Bar, all interior illustrations listed, and additional notes added. Checked "Transient Verification" to indicate secondary edit. Charles Schneeman credits contracted to "Schneeman" as credited for cover and signed on interior illustrations. Added credits for interior illustrations to "They Had Rhythm," and "Nuisance Value." Checked transient verification.--Rkihara 17:34, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Changes to Your Verified Pub F&SF: Oct. 1968
Changed cover credit from Ron Walotsky, to "Ronald Walotsky" as credited in the TOC. Added Nav Bar.--Rkihara 01:04, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Changes to Your Verified Pubs F&SF 1967
06/1967 - Added Nav Bar, Removed line breaks from notes. Checked transient verification.--Rkihara 07:05, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

05/1967 - Added Nav Bar. Changed cover credit from Ron Walotsky, to "Ronald Walotsky" as credited in the TOC. Removed line breaks from notes. Added to, and modified notes. Checked transient verification.--Rkihara 07:18, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

04/1967 - Added Nav Bar. Removed line breaks from notes. Added to, and modified notes. Checked transient verification. Added quotes to "Virtue. Tis a Fugue!"--Rkihara 07:27, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

03/1967 - Added Nav Bar. Removed line breaks from notes. Added to, and modified notes. Checked transient verification.--Rkihara 07:37, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

02/1967 - Added Nav Bar. Removed line breaks from notes. Added to, and modified notes. Checked transient verification.--Rkihara 07:45, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

01/1967 - Added Nav Bar. Removed line breaks from notes. Added to, and modified notes. Checked transient verification.--Rkihara 19:19, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Changes to Your Verified Pub F&SF: Jan. 1962
Added Nav Bar, and circulation figures to notes. Checked transient verification.--Rkihara 17:35, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Changes to Your Verified Pubs: F&SF 1961
General: Added Nav Bars, and reformated Volume numbering in notes. Checked transient verification.

10/1961 - Changed page number for "The Captivity" from p.28 to p.25.--Rkihara 17:48, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

05/1961 - Changed page number for poem "The Flower" from p.84 to p.98, and type from "short story" to "poem." Added note identifying error in TOC.--Rkihara 18:14, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Changes to Your Verified Pubs: F&SF 1960
General: Added Nav Bars all. Checked transient verification.

12/1960 - Added Vol/Issue number. Linked review "The Vortex Blaster," and added "Ph.D." to E.E. Smith.--Rkihara 00:27, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

10/1960 - Reformatted notes, and Vol/Issue number. Linked review "The Worlds of Clifford Simak." Changed story length in four instances from "Short Fiction" to "Short Story."--Rkihara 00:53, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

09/1960 - Reformatted notes, and Vol/Issue number. Changed length of "Feghoot" from "short fiction" to "short story."--Rkihara 02:34, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

08/60 - Reformatted notes, and Vol/Issue number. Changed story length in five instances from "Short Fiction" to "Short Story." Linked review for "World Without Women" to pub.--Rkihara 03:04, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

07/1960 - Reformatted notes, and added Vol/Issue number. Changed story length in four instances from "Short Fiction" to "Short Story." Noted correct numbering of the "Feghoot."--Rkihara 03:19, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

06/1960 - Reformatted notes, removed redundant dating of "Beyond Ganga Mata" from the notes. Added exclamation point to title of Schenk's poem. Title of semi-annual index changed to match title page.--Rkihara 05:14, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

05/1960 - Reformatted notes, and Vol/Issue number, removed redundant info from notes. Added a "a" with a diaresis to title of book column "Iä! Yog-Sothoth! Yah, Yah, Yah!"--Rkihara 05:31, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

04/1960 - Reformatted notes, and Vol/Issue number, removed redundant info from notes.--Rkihara 05:38, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Changes to Your Verified Pubs: F&SF 1959
General: Added Nav Bars all. Checked transient verification.

09/1959 - Added page no for description of cover illustration to notes.--Rkihara 00:11, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

07/1959 - Added volume/issue info to comments, expanded note on missing poem "Snip, Snip." Changed story length in three instances from "Short Fiction" to "Short Story." Linked review to pub.--Rkihara 00:39, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

01/1959 - Reformatted notes. Changed story length in five instances from "Short Fiction" to "Short Story." Linked one review to pub.--Rkihara 02:44, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Changes to Your Verified Pubs: F&SF 1958
General: Added Nav Bars all. Checked transient verification

12/58 - Added volume/issue info to comments. Changed attribution to Walter Tevis to Walter S. Tevis.--Rkihara 18:19, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

09/1958 - Added volume/issue info to comments. Changed title of "Last Call" to "The Word from Space" as listed on title page.--Rkihara 17:32, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Changes to Your Verified Pubs: F&SF 1957
General: Added Nav Bars all. Checked transient verification

12/1957 - Added volume/issue info to comments. Linked review to pub.--Rkihara 18:03, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

10/1957 - Added volume/issue info to comments.--Rkihara 18:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

08/1957 - Added volume/issue info to comments. Re-entered review to show as an Ace Double.--Rkihara 00:34, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

05/1957 - Added volume/issue info to comments. Re-entered reviews "Who Speaks of Conquest/Earth in Peril" to show as an Ace Double. Change page no of "The Science Stage" from 105 to 108.--Rkihara 02:33, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

04/1957 - Added volume/issue info to comments. Changed credit for cover artist from Albert Neutzell, to Neutzell as credited. Entered review for "Tales of Gooseflesh and Laughter."--Rkihara 02:47, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

J. Jones credit in July 1968 Galaxy Magazine
Would you tell me whether the four interiorart pieces for "There is a Tide" in are explicitly credited to J. Jones and also whether they are signed "J JONES"? I'm trying to figure out if the "J. Jones" author should be made a pseudoynm for Jeff Jones or merged into Jeff Jones. Thanks. --MartyD 11:06, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Change to your verified pub Analog Science Fiction and Fact, January 1995, March 1995
I changed Brass Tacks to uncredited and also changed reviews from Thomas A. Easton to Tom Easton. Tpi 16:37, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Tom Easton change for March, April, May, June, July, Semptember, November and December issues, too. Tpi 16:41, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Change to your verified pub Fantasy and Science Fiction, March 1961
I added an untitled cartoon on page 81 by Emsh rbh (Bob) 01:28, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Avon Fantasy Reader, No. 5, 1947
I added a cover to your verified pub. I also added the Wollheim editorial. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:49, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Changed art attribution for "Planet for Pludering" from Jack Williamson to Virgil Finlay in Galaxy SF, April 1962.--Rkihara 07:50, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Change to Your Verified Pub, Galaxy SF, April 1962
Changed art attribution for "Planet for Pludering" from Jack Williamson to Virgil Finlay in Galaxy SF, April 1962.--Rkihara 07:53, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

F&SF, Aug 1951
Hi, I think a credit for Herman Mudgett's untitled poem on p. 82 of this should be given an entry. It appears to be an original, it is SF, and at least as weighty as many of the poems credited in the Scithers issues of Asimov's. Cheers Jonschaper 23:06, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

PS, I've just noticed that Mudgett is a pseudonym of Anthony Boucher Jonschaper 23:09, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Oct 51 F&SF
Hi, the uncredited article (presumably by one of the editors) on p l7 ("Larroes catch philologists") should maybe be added for this. Cheers Jonschaper 23:44, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Change to F&SF, March 1992
Publisher's note changed from category "short fiction" to "essay."--Rkihara 05:27, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Typo
Hi, I fixed the review of "Tlaes of Ten Worlds" to "Tales..." here Jonschaper 05:48, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Oct 1950 Galaxy
Hi, for this I've added an uncredited art credit for the Willy Ley article and the "You'll Never See It in Galaxy" essay from the back cover (sure, it is sort-of a house ad, but it is also an important, famous editorial piece) Jonschaper 00:50, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Galaxy SF, May 1955
Author of reviewed book "Find the Constellations," in your verified pub Galaxy SF, May 1955 corrected from A. H. Rey, to H. A. Rey--Rkihara 18:35, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Galaxy SF, June 1977
Corrected misspelling of reviewed author's name from "Persig" to "Pirsig," and left note, Galaxy SF, June 1977.--Rkihara 19:15, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Galaxy Covers
Replaced the GC scans for your verified 02-1953 issue, same for 03-1972. Hauck 18:15, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

If Covers
Added cover for your verified March 1968 issue. Hauck 18:15, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

If, May 1968
Added an S to the title of Carter's essay (_New CurrentS in fandom_). Hauck 18:20, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

F&SF Covers
Just in case, I replaced some Visco covers scan by ISFDB-based ones. Hauck 16:55, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Avon Fantasy Reader, No. 2
I changed the author of "The Strange Case of Lemuel Jenkins" in Avon Fantasy Reader, No. 2 adding "Jr." to the author's name as it appears on the title page. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:27, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Galaxy - Feb 1976
I have added missing interiorart and an OCLC link to your verified copy of. Syzygy 19:55, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Jonathan Swift Som m ers
Somehow Philip José Farmer's pseudonym had an extra "m" in the database. I corrected this, indirectly changing your verified The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, March 1975. Thanks, --Willem H. 14:06, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

"The Black Nebulea (Quintet, Part 1)" in The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, September 1959
FYI, I have changed the spelling of Alfred Bester's "The Black Nebulae (Quintet, Part 1)" to "The Black Nebulea (Quintet, Part 1)" after checking my copy. The title was apparently deliberately misspelled by Bester (along with many other words in the body of the story) since Bester was trying to write the way a 10 year old might write. I also deleted the following note:


 * Correcting title as it seems more a typo than intention: 7 Google hits for "Nebulea", but apparently mutually copied without comment or verification; 7 too for "Nebulae", though all from one page at Everything2. Also, changing the type to Poem per various mentions online - makes more sense with the subtitle. Anybody can verify this?


 * Spelling is "Nebulae" verified by mention in F&SF October 1959, and end of year index F&SF December 1959. See synopsis above.

Although the title of the story was spelled "Nebulae" on page 15 of the October 1959 issue where the authors' identities were revealed, that's not how it appeared in the September 1959 issue. Ahasuerus 05:45, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Changed Name of Cartoonist as Published in FSF
Name of Cartoonist changed from Rex May, to Baloo, as signed in FSF 01/1983 and FSF 12/1983.--Rkihara 20:23, 8 July 2013 (UTC)