User talk:Holmesd

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Hello,, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~&#126;); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the community portal, or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! Ahasuerus 15:34, 20 Jan 2008 (CST)
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Is there a place to request changes?
Sure, we have a Wiki page where new features can be requested. If you go to the Main Page, you will find ISFDB Feature List linked in the right column. You can also discuss any proposed changes and additions over on the Community Portal.

By the way, I see that you have added a number of publication-specific comments to the Wiki. When dealing with simple cases where the data is unlikely to change, for example the "printing history" data that you added, we usually add this information in the Notes field. The Wiki is typically used when something about the publication is unclear and it serves as a discussion page for a potential mini-research project :) Thanks for the submissions and don't hesitate to post any questions that you may have over on the ISFDB:Help desk! Ahasuerus 22:48, 20 Jan 2008 (CST)

Daughter of Witches by Wrede
Thanks for your update to this pub. Please keep in mind that when linking to a cover file on Amazon.com you will occasionally come across some cover scans that contain a white frame around the artwork. Here's how you remove the frame: after you've copied the URL of the file's location, look at the last part of the address just before the ".jpg" You'll see two underline dashes with several characters between (e.g.: ._SS500_.jpg). Remove the dashes, all the characters in between and ONE of the dots (you'll have to save a dot before the jpg tag.) Clever trick, huh? Also, don't verify a pub before the submission has been accepted. Moderators get a warning when a submission for a verified pub is received, meaning we have to double check any changes in what we perceive to be a previously verified pub. Thanks for contributing. Mhhutchins 22:18, 22 Jan 2008 (CST)

Temple of the Winds and Wizard's First Rule
Just to let you know that I have approved your Temple of the Winds submission and then changed the wording in the Note field from "Number string at bottom indicates first edition" to "Number string at bottom indicates first printing". There can be multiple printings of each edition; number lines specify the printing number within each edition. Also, I added periods in between separate lines in the Note text since our software doesn't display line breaks, although you can use HTML line breaks and bullets if you are familiar with HTML. Thanks for editing! Ahasuerus 22:25, 24 Jan 2008 (CST)


 * As per our discussion of printings on the Community Portal, I have cloned the first printing of the mass market paperback edition of Wizard's First Rule and entered your data for the tenth printing. Take a look at the end result when you have a chance - thanks! Ahasuerus 15:36, 26 Jan 2008 (CST)

Blood of the Fold & Stone of Tears
Hi Holmesd, I've changed the year on Blood of the Fold from 1997-00-00 to 0000-00-00 to match the ISFDB policy where later printings involve number lines. I've also added the map in Stone of Tears in as interior art. Since we know the date of the 5th printing of The Deep Range is 1976 than that's the date we should use. Other then these minor changes everything else looks good. If you have any question you can leave them on the Community Portal or the Help Desk. They will be seen on Recent changes and someone will answer as soon as possible. Thanks for editing. :-)Kraang 21:50, 26 Jan 2008 (CST)

Dickson's "Ancient, My Enemy"
I accepted your submission for a new edition of this title, but had to make a minor change. If there is an ISBN and a publisher's catalog number, enter the ISBN in that field and the catalog number in the Notes field. Don't enter both in the ISBN field. Also you note that the interior art is not credited. The pub that you cloned this edition from included an entry for Jack Gaughan's frontispiece. Is this the piece that you note as uncredited? Check the artwork and look for the artist's signature which is simply "JG". Thanks. Mhhutchins 09:09, 27 Jan 2008 (CST)
 * Checked the 'signature' and compared against other illustrations on the web. I can see how his signature was evolving to what appears to be the on the illustration. I have verified the publication with the interior art credited. -Holmesd 21:16, 27 Jan 2008 (CST)


 * Change approved and the following comment added to Notes: "Cover art attribution based on the artist's signature, a stylized "JG"." Ahasuerus 00:04, 29 Jan 2008 (CST)

Dickson's "The Outposter"
In your submission of a new edition of this title, the entry for the ISBN field was "53295249". This is too short for an ISBN (normally ten digits long) and the catalog number on the cover graphic shows "95249". As per ISFDB standards, any number other than the ISBN placed in the ISBN field should be preceded by the number sign (#). If there are more than one number (sometimes there is a catalog number with additional digits on the spine), place the extra numbers in the notes. For instance many DAW Books pubs contain the publisher's catalog number, the Collectors No., and an ISBN! Thanks. Mhhutchins 09:17, 27 Jan 2008 (CST)

Dickson's "Alien Art"
In your submission of a new edition of this title you make note of a URL for the cover art. Did you mean that this URL for another edition contains the same cover as this one? Thanks. Mhhutchins 09:23, 27 Jan 2008 (CST)

Dickson's Home from the Shore
I have approved this submission and made a few changes as follows:


 * The type of James R. Odbert's title changed from "Short fiction" to "Interior Art" and the title changed from "Interior art" to "Home from the Shore". To quote our Help pages, "There are three ways in which this can be used. First, if a single artist does all of the interior art for a book (e.g. Pauline Baynes for many of the "Narnia" editions), then a single content entry, without a page number, is appropriate".
 * Page number 15 added to the main Novel title in the publication. This is a guess based on the fact that the original Note stated that the "Foreword" was on pages 9-13. Could you please double check when you have chance?
 * "(Home from the Shore)" added to the Foreword and Afterword. This is a convention that we use so that we don't add up with 30 "Afterword" titles on the prolific author's Summary pages.

Thanks for editing! Ahasuerus 00:00, 29 Jan 2008 (CST)

Beowulf's Children
I approved your entry, but can you clean up the price field please? We go for the one main price in that field and additional prices can go in notes. BLongley 15:15, 16 Feb 2008 (CST)


 * Similar with Ghost King - but I've adjusted that for you. Also, you might want to wait till all your edits go through before you Verify a publication - if a moderator rejects a submission, or corrects it for you, you'll have verified something that you haven't actually submitted. It also makes it easier on the moderator, as we get a warning when you're updating a verified pub, but it doesn't tell us WHO verified it, so we don't know if you're adjusting your own work without us making additional checks. BLongley 15:29, 16 Feb 2008 (CST)


 * Also The Middle of Nowhere - your attempt got truncated at "$5.99 (Canada $7" so wouldn't have been particularly useful. BLongley 15:33, 16 Feb 2008 (CST)

Splinter of the Mind's Eye
I've changed the price back to $1.95 to reflect it's US price. Not all Ballantines printed in Canada have a Canadian price. If this printing was in Canadian dollars the price would have been more like $2.25 for 1978. Most of these Canadian printing with the US price had a sticker on the cover with the initials "R.H.C."(Random House Canada) and "Price in Canada". It took me a while to figure out what the printing and price relationship was, so don't feel discouraged. Thanks for editing. :-)Kraang 16:12, 18 Feb 2008 (CST)

Four From the Witch World
I have the mass market paperback edition of Four From the Witch World on hold at the moment. There is nothing terribly wrong with it, but the Note field includes prospective contents data. Wouldn't it be easier to handle is by cloning one of the currently existing printings of this anthology, e.g. this 1989 hardcover or this 2000 paperback? Ahasuerus 18:51, 18 Feb 2008 (CST)


 * I did clone it, from this and there were no contents, so I noted what needed to be done for my second pass. The cover illustration was right.


 * Ah, I see! Unfortunately, not all of our Anthology/Collection publications have contents yet, so you have to pick and choose which ones you want to clone if you want to get the contents as well. No harm done, I have approved the submission and you can then enter the stories and merge them. It's an educational experience in a way :)


 * Also, I have approved the Star Born submission and then deleted the old version of the same record dated 1963. Ace didn't bother with such niceties as publication dates in the early 1960s and it's a safe bet that our 1963 date came from Tuck's Encyclopedia, which I have cross-checked. I then updated the date of your edition and added a Note about the source of the dating information. Thanks! Ahasuerus 19:26, 18 Feb 2008 (CST)

Catseye
I have approved this edition of Catseye, but I wonder if $0.25 is the correct price. $1.25, perhaps? Ahasuerus 19:57, 18 Feb 2008 (CST)


 * Probably cloned from $1.25, actually $0.75. I'll fix it on the second pass. Each pile tends to take four passes - entry, correction, verification, scanning covers. -- Holmesd 20:07, 18 Feb 2008 (CST)


 * ISFDB data entry is probably more time consuming that it needs to be, but we have a grand total of one part time programmer, so interface improvements tend to take time... Ahasuerus 20:15, 18 Feb 2008 (CST)


 * I don't think I'm complaining (except maybe the verification). Holmesd 20:38, 18 Feb 2008 (CST)


 * Oh, all of us are complaining incessantly, hoping to guilt trip Al into spending more time on the ISFDB :) Ahasuerus 20:54, 18 Feb 2008 (CST)


 * The first pass tends to be entry. Not being able to see exactly what you've entered (tiny window, some html tags) and jumping around a bit from copyright page to cover etc. means mistakes creep in. Some books already verified leave after this round. Second round is checking I got it right and complete, which is a good thing. If I did, I verify, if not I fix it. Most leave at this point. Usually one or two books where I missed something. Usually it's finding something new and updating the old ones to accommodate (e.g. I state where books are printed now). Once the pile is completely verified, I pull out the scanner and scan the covers and throw the books into the second closet. (The first closet is full of books yet to be done). My final run through will be going back through the whole pile, associating publications/URLs to cover images, sending the lists and images to BLongley and Fantastic Fiction, finding prices and disposing of the books. Good practice for my retirement. -- Holmesd 20:38, 18 Feb 2008 (CST)


 * That sounds like a pretty solid approach. Interesting that so many editors take up ISFDB editing when they retire or semi-retire... Ahasuerus 20:54, 18 Feb 2008 (CST)


 * I seem to have arrived a couple of decades early. Or the Call of ISFDB indicates a forth-coming long period of unemployment.... :-( BLongley 16:31, 19 Feb 2008 (CST)

Lore of the Witch World
I added the month to your submission, which I'm assuming was Sept. I've also updated the price from $2.25 to C$2.25 to indicate its in CDN dollars. Heres how the page looks now. Some of the other entries were a bit confusing so I fixed them.Kraang 21:27, 18 Feb 2008 (CST)

Postmarked the Stars
I have approved [ http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256513 this edition of Postmarked the Stars], but $1.25 seems awfully high for a thin paperback published in 1969. Could it be a later reprint? Ahasuerus 23:06, 18 Feb 2008 (CST)


 * I've updated my price cribsheet but it still doesn't really give a good indication of what a typical US paperback price in 1969 was. :-/ (OK, as it's based on data HERE, I shall blame everyone else for not verifying pubs of that era enough!) If it's "awfully" high though, can you add some guidelines for earlier years? I'll go figure out why the UK data is so poor in the meantime... BLongley 15:55, 19 Feb 2008 (CST)


 * Take a look at the history of the first 99 books published by DAW. They start at $0.95 and that was considered a rather high price for a paperback in 1972. (Which suggests that some of the early 1970s data summarized on your User page may reflect misdated subsequent reprints.) In 1969, $1.25 instead of $0.60 or $0.75 -- see our list of Lancer books published in 1969 -- would have been very unusual, suggestive of a non-genre publisher, a semi-pro effort or something equally non-standard.


 * P.S. I am not suggesting that everybody involved with the ISFDB project is ready to retire. But it seems to help :-) Ahasuerus 21:46, 19 Feb 2008 (CST)


 * I've updated the publication to be dateless, with a note about the price and lack of printing history. -- Holmesd 22:14, 19 Feb 2008 (CST)


 * Thanks, approved! Ahasuerus 00:49, 20 Feb 2008 (CST)


 * One thing I'll have to get for you (and me) is a currency exchange - the Canadian dollar has floated between about $0.65 and $1.05 and can make a big difference in pricing. It will also be interesting to find out when they started printing both prices on a regular basis. And no one has answered me - do American editions have a Canadian price, or are only the Canadian editions bi-monetary? -- Holmesd 22:14, 19 Feb 2008 (CST)


 * I have seen hundreds of "bi-monetary" editions sold new in the US, so it's a safe bet that they have appeared on both sides of the border when the economies of scale were favorable. Ahasuerus 00:49, 20 Feb 2008 (CST)


 * Hah - found one before I even saved this. A good site with historical conversions for 41 countries over considerable time periods. Should put this in a reference section. -- Holmesd 22:14, 19 Feb 2008 (CST)


 * Thanks, it's a useful reference source to link to! Just keep in mind that inflation can fluctuate considerably between different industries (I posted some tables back in 1995 when the issue came up on rec.arts.sf.written) and that exchange rate changes affect some industries more than others. Ahasuerus 00:49, 20 Feb 2008 (CST)


 * As recently as last summer/fall when the Canadian dollar traded higher than the US dollar, there was still a premium on books of 20% or more. -- Holmesd 22:36, 20 Feb 2008 (CST)


 * You think that's bad? US books often get here at $1 = £1, so around 100% mark-up. :-/ BLongley 14:37, 21 Feb 2008 (CST)

Essays vs. Non-fiction
Just a note that non-fiction articles are entered as "Essays" as per the Help pages while the "Non-fiction" type is reserved for book length non-fiction works. I have changed the types in Four From the Witch World accordingly, corrected the spelling of "Meridith Ann Pierce" and merged all new titles with the previously existing ones. Thanks! Ahasuerus 21:17, 24 Feb 2008 (CST)

The Power That Preserves
I have approved the addition of The Power That Preserves, but could you please double check if the page count is 489 pages or "xiv+489" as per OCLC? Also, is there any indication on the copyright page whether your copy is the first printing or a subsequent one? Thanks! Ahasuerus 23:49, 27 Feb 2008 (CST)


 * This was partially entered when a keystroke was interpreted as a submission. It is xiv numbered pages, then dedication page, two page map, blank page, then page 1. I think the numbering is OK, but I've the interior art to credit to page xvi. It is a Canadian first printing, but lists the US printing as March 1979. Any comments before I edit or would you prefer to see what I do? -- Holmesd 18:51, 28 Feb 2008 (CST)


 * Sorry about the delay, I have been entertaining some friendly viruses lately. Sure, go ahead and update the record, it sounds like you are on the right track :) Ahasuerus 23:14, 29 Feb 2008 (CST)

The Barbie Murders and Other Stories
Your edit for the cover image was the ISBN # so I found a cover image on Amazon. Is it the correct one? Thanks!Kraang 20:24, 22 Mar 2008 (CDT)
 * It is. I've been uploading images to the Fantastic Fiction site and they're keyed by ISBN, so I've been doing a lot of cutting and pasting. --Holmesd 22:44, 23 Mar 2008 (CDT)

The Misplaced Legion
On this pub the 1st edition is dated Feb 1987 but you have the Eight Printing dated May 1973? Thanks :-)Kraang 21:23, 27 Mar 2008 (CDT)
 * Typo - 1993. The content notes are to myself showing what's left to do once the publication exists and I can edit contents. Although you can if you prefer, it works for me. --Holmesd 16:49, 29 Mar 2008 (CDT)

German editions
I noticed many of the comments for your German publications say "Referenced in bibliography by Helen-Jo Jakusz Hewitt published in 1975 publication". Does this mean you are using this reference as the source for the ISFDB record or that you have the publication and it's also referenced in a bibliography? I suspect you are using the bibliography as a source reference which is fine. Could you please add this to Sources of Bibliographic Information? Thank you. 15:40, 5 Apr 2008 (CDT)


 * See this conversation, Marc. I've been watching the submissions and adding OCLC data + format + ISBN where easily found. The data seems good, if sparse. Thanks for tackling the German editions! BLongley 15:57, 5 Apr 2008 (CDT)


 * I do not have update rights to your list of bibliographies. And don't really want it. The book I'm referencing is The Book of Andre Norton with the bibliography starting on page 211. -- Holmesd 21:24, 6 Apr 2008 (CDT)


 * I could add it to the list Marc referenced, but I think it's too specific for there. I'd suggest Author Specific bibliographies (especially in works given to the author concerned) belong on the Author Bibliographic Comments pages such as here? BLongley 15:57, 7 Apr 2008 (CDT)
 * By the way, I've passed (or parsed) another set of submissions today - almost all good although I had to move one Catalog ID from the pages field, and I've taken it upon myself to disambiguate "World" as a publisher. I'd appreciate your comments on my additions: my comments on yours are mostly that you could have added "hc" or "pb" just from knowing the publisher, and could have added ALL my additions (page number, year, etc) with some OCLC and/or Amazon/Abebooks/Alibris/etc sources - but that comes from experience, not help pages, so it's not blaming you in any way, just suggesting that you can ask US for better guidance if you like. I find such a set of submissions very easy to check, approve, and add to though, so keep on editing! BLongley 15:57, 7 Apr 2008 (CDT)


 * I've added the reference to Andre Norton's author page. I can use your "World" disambiguation from this point on, though not all moderators did the same update. I'm not familiar with the OCLC, but if they have the same information, why aren't we loading from them? Your approach seems to be making each entry as complete and correct as possible. Mine has been to document what I have, because I don't expect to have it much longer. I've actually been surprised by how many additions I've had to make and it's been slower going than I'd hoped. When I get around to entering my keepers, some research will be called for. Holmesd 22:00, 7 Apr 2008 (CDT)


 * Well, OCLC don't make their data freely available in a way that we could generate mass updates from their data: sometimes I'm not even sure if I'm really authorised to access them at all, judging by the hoops I have to jump through to use the better interfaces! http://fictionfinder.oclc.org/ seems to be the official public way, but sometimes another library's website offers a different access with better-displayed results or easier navigation. It's pretty much record-by-record access though, whichever way you get in, so easily available Copy'n'Paste data such as your submissions make it easy to paste author and title in and find a matching record (if any - OCLC is not complete either). You're finding missing editions for me, which helps a lot. BLongley 14:28, 8 Apr 2008 (CDT)
 * If you'd like to increase the value of your initial contributions then feel free to use OCLC or other library sites or your favourite Bookseller's sites to add information the way I'm doing - you've typed most of the Key info already, it's easy to copy'n'paste to another site or several as well. I'm currently quite happy to do that for you for the English titles when time allows - the foreign ones are more work and better left to polyglots, I think. BLongley 14:28, 8 Apr 2008 (CDT)

Riscatto Cosmico
I know I should have left this one alone, but I've held it so have to pursue it. OCLC: 70715663 says yes, it's a variant title for "Star Guard" alright. (Some translation services say it's literally "Cosmic Ransom".) It only confirms a 1971 edition though, published by "Milan : Editrice Nord", 183 pages, probably hardcover, translated by Gabriele Tamburini. You seem to be putting foreign titles under their English parents correctly, so can I assume this Make Variant was because you didn't have enough information to create even a stub publication? If so, I suggest we create the publication from the OCLC data - we normally only have non-English/English variant title pairs when the work was ORIGINALLY in the Non-English language. BLongley 14:42, 8 Apr 2008 (CDT)
 * All I had was a language and a title. Do I do something or do you, because 'we' can't really do anything together. Holmesd 21:50, 8 Apr 2008 (CDT)


 * I've created it manually if you'd like to check. BLongley 13:19, 11 Apr 2008 (CDT)

Web of the Witch World
Not sure what the odds of this one are, but just went on to add the Tandem edition of Web of the Witch World and found yours right next to it on the submission queue. So I may just reject it while accepting the others so we don't wind up with duplicate submissions. --Unapersson 08:35, 9 Apr 2008 (CDT)

Andre Norton - Shorter Fiction
The following shorter fiction is referenced in bibliography by Helen-Jo Jakusz Hewitt published in 1975 publication "The Book of Andre Norton". Updating these would require creating the periodical and issue - a task beyond my desires. -- Holmesd 01:51, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The Boy and the Ogre - Golden Magazine Sept., 1966
 * By a Hair - Phantom Magazine (England) July, 1958
 * The Gifts of Asti - Griffin Booklet 1 (Basil Wells and Andrew North, eds), Griffin, 1949
 * Toymaker's Snuffbox - Golden Magazine Aug., 1966
 * Toys of Tamisan - Worlds of IF April-May, 1969
 * Wizard's World - Galaxie (French) no. 75, 1970

This has been placed in the author page for Andre Norton. -- Holmesd 03:34, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Who Needs Enemies
Sorry for the alternate title under "Who Needs Enemies". I found the collection under "... Who Needs Enemies", right where it belonged. -- Holmesd 01:51, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * As soon as I saw the second submission I figured you had found the correct title under collections. These erroneous entries with ISBN # starting with 999 come from Amazon, why they were created and what they represent I don't know. Most of them have been deleted but there are still some around.Kraang 02:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

The Moment of the Magician
Just to let you know that I have moved your note about The Moment of the Magician from Don Erikson's User page to his Talk page :) Ahasuerus 03:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Rogue Star
Just a quick note that I approved the addition of the 1973-08-00 printing of Rogue Star and then changed the note a bit since we already have the 1969-12-00 on file. Thanks! Ahasuerus 01:32, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Again, Dangerous Visions I
Approved this submission, but image indicates that the title should be written with a numeral "one," rather than a Roman "one."--Rkihara 16:17, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The front cover says Again, Danerous Visions Vol. 1, the spine has Again, Dangerous Visions, Volume 1 and the title page has Again, Dangerous Visions I. --Holmesd 23:53, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks!--Rkihara 05:34, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

ffimg.co.uk
At first I approved the addition of ffimg.co.uk/isbnthumbs/B00/0BV/B000BVQ9SK.jpg as the cover art image to The Wind's Twelve Quarters, but then I checked the result and the picture can't be displayed because of the following error:


 * You don't have permission to access /isbnthumbs/B00/0BV/B000BVQ9SK.jpg on this server.
 * Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

Since ffimg.co.uk is the image server used by Fantastic Fiction, I assume that we have to link to a Fantastic Fiction URL as opposed to directly to their image server? Ahasuerus 04:38, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Strange - I can see the image now (I couldn't on first look) but there's no point clicking on it as you get that error. Half useful I guess. BLongley 18:00, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Star Wars submission - an image
A cover image for my recent submission.


 * I have approved the submission, which is now visible on Lucas' Summary page, but there is a caveat. We already have this Title (although not this edition) on file, attributed to Alan Dean Foster since Foster was the ghost writer according to his Web page. I am thinking that we may want to change out policy and attribute the canonical Title for ghost written books to both parties so that it would appear on both authors' Summary Bibliography pages, but that's something that we will need to discuss on the Policy page. Ahasuerus 16:27, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Centaur Aisle
I have approved this edition of Centaur Aisle, but the cover (apparently priced at $5.95/C$6.95) seems to be for a later printing. Do we want to add a note explaining that the linked cover art is the same, but the price is higher? Thanks! Ahasuerus 04:21, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Will be done --Holmesd 02:17, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * P.S. I have also approved the addition of the 1974 DAW edition of Triple Detente, but the record is rather barebones and seems to be a copy of the pre-existing DAW record. Did, by chance, the submission get away before you could enter the rest of the publication data? Ahasuerus 04:24, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * You've seen it often enough I guess. Guilty as charged. I figure if it happens too often I'll get made a moderator so I can fix it immediately. --Holmesd 02:17, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh yes, it does happen quite often, nothing to worry about! As far as moderatorizing goes, most editors get there after a couple thousand edits. The key abilities -- see Moderator Qualifications for details -- include a working understanding of the way the database works, including "Titles vs. Publications", setting up variant titles and pseudonyms, replacing titles in publications, and understanding the ever-confusing EDITOR Title type. Many ISFDB moderators have at least a modicum of computer background, which makes it easier to internalize the design, but some don't and still do just fine. Practice makes perfect! :) Ahasuerus 21:08, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Frank Herbert - The Heaven Makers
Looks like two copies of my submission were inserted here and here. Please to fix, good sirs. Danke. -- Holmesd 00:07, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Fixed! This happens once in a while, likely due to some weird type of internet lag. We have certain safeguards against it, but apparently they aren't perfect. By the way, are you familiar with the Delete Publication option in the navigation bar? Ahasuerus 03:52, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Never heard of it. If it ever comes up a second time I'll use it. Holmesd 02:10, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

The Web of the Chozen
A quick question. Does your CDN 2nd printing have a cover price of $2.95 or is this a sticker with the initials "R.H.C.". I have both the US and CDN 2nd printings and both have a cover price of $2.50, which is the US price. In cases like this the publisher Random House Canada(R.H.C.) would just apply a sticker with the Canadian price. If yours is $2.95 than there are 2 CDN 2nd printings one priced $2.50(US price) and one $2.95(CDN price). Thanks.Kraang 02:31, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


 * An honest to goodness $2.95 printed right on the cover. If it looks fuzzy, zoom in, the quality is pretty good. Holmesd 02:09, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks likes Del Rey liked to print lots of varieties. Thanks for the feed back.Kraang 02:36, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

The Santaroga Barrier
When you get a chance, could you please review this discussion, which may be related to one of your submissions? Thanks! Ahasuerus 01:31, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yup, my submission. Nice to see you followed clues a la Sherlock rather than figuring it out based on the style a la Poirot. Never heard of Carson. Related to my double entry? Holmesd 02:15, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's entirely possible. Switching two different submitters is bad enough, but if we get two authors or titles confused... I'll notify Al, thanks! Ahasuerus 03:09, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Cover art added to your submissions
I approved several of yopur submissions tonight. On some, i found cover art (via ISBNdb.com and amazon), and then edited the pub to add the cover art url. please double check that I got the correct art, if you have a chance. -DES Talk 06:03, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks like the right art work and titles. I generally don't worry much about the pricing / publisher logos. Thanks. Holmesd 23:39, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

The Eyes of Heisenberg
I'm finding your notes here unclear. Do you mean this is the 11th printing overall? Don Erikson just entered one like it here and DES (I think) another 11th printing here. BLongley 18:01, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I added several pritings of this title (from OCLC and other online records, not from primary), but I think the one you link to was added by Don Erikson (see User talk:Don Erikson) and I simply added the OCLC record number. We may have some duplictions, it is hard to be sure. -DES Talk 18:32, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the delay, was actually getting rid of the books I've been verifying as 'transient', this included. I'm a bit confused by your comment - I made no reference to 11 printing. If you mean the 9th, then second printing (New Edition) bit, I'm just writing what the copyright page had. Holmesd 16:44, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Ordeal in Otherwhere
Just to let you know that I have changed your verified "63824" printing of Andre Norton's Ordeal in Otherwhere. You entered it as a February 1973 publication, presumably based on a statement on the copyright page, but, unfortunately, back in the 1970s Ace had a bad habit of stating the dates of the first few printings of each edition, but not the date of the current printing. In this case they even misstated the date of the first Ace printing (it was 1965 and not 1969) and stopped at the second printing, but the price ($1.50) and the data at the Askins collection of Andre Norton book at MELVYL point to 1977 as the publication year, so I have adjusted the record accordingly. Nobody ever said this would be easy! :) Ahasuerus 04:00, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * P.S. I have also added the publication date to and removed the cover art URL from Star Hunter and Voodoo Planet #441-78193 since the picture shows the 1968 cover, which is different from the covers used in the 1970s, e.g. the ampersand is replaced with the word "and". I assume you have already disposed of your copy as per the comment above, so it's too late to ask to double check what is used on the title page? Ahasuerus 04:24, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, it's gone. Holmesd 18:11, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Bio of a Space Tyrant Volume 5:Stateman
In verifying this. I added the pic. . If this does not work for you please grab me by the scruff of the neck. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:40, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

The Book of Three
I approved your addition of this Dell Laurel-Leaf printing of Lloyd Alexander's The Book of Three a few minutes ago, but then I checked and noticed that we already have a very similar 1981-12-00 verified printing, which you seem to have cloned. Could you please let me know what the differences are? Does yours lack the 'Book Club Edition' note at the bottom, perchance? Thanks! Ahasuerus 17:35, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Updated the comments, forgot the publication date - this is second, other is first. Also got burned a later books when hitting  submitted entry too soon. Go away for a few months and the fingers forget. Looks like I'll also have to figure out the image uploading as well. Holmesd 18:08, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Got it, thanks! :) Ahasuerus 01:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Taran Wanderer
You just added. Is this record from a secondary source an an accidental submission? It's rather light on detail compared to you normally enter. --Marc Kupper|talk 18:27, 4 January 2009 (UTC) Accidental submission. Please approve and I'll update the rest. Thanks Holmesd 20:48, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Done - note that I nearly always approve submissions when I'm commenting on them. If I leave one on hold then I'll explain that I'm doing so and why. --Marc Kupper|talk 00:11, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Yurth Burden
I have updated your verified to change the interior art credit from Andre Norton to Jack Gaughan plus added a note explaining the source for this credit. --Marc Kupper|talk 20:09, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Uploading and linking files
After you've uploaded a file you're taken to the file's wiki page. This is not the URL of the file itself. You must click on the cover which leads you to the URL of the file. Then copy and paste this into the submission adding a link to the pub. You can also go to the file list which shows both URLs of the image that you just uploaded. Under "Name" the first link is to the wiki page and the "file" link is to the image itself. I accepted your submission with, but corrected the URL to this one. Thanks. MHHutchins 00:08, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry - but there will be another - The Castle of Llyr. I'll try harder on the last couple. Thanks. Holmesd 01:16, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Masters of Everon
Corrected the spelling of the artist for from Enrich to Enric. ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:36, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Sleepwalker's World
Added some notes to about first printing, the DAW Books #, artist credits and changed the content slightly by placing "Frontispiece" in brackets after the title (seems to have become the standard). Since all DAW books start on page 5 it is easy to count back and place it on '2' even though it's not numbered. ~Bill, --Bluesman 04:22, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Hour of the Horde
Added a cover image to and moved the "frontispiece" from the page field to the title field in brackets. It's more description then page designation. ~Bill, --Bluesman 16:44, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

The Spellsong War
Hi. Added some notes to THSPLLSNGC1999. My copy seems to be a 1st printing and also credits the artist explicitly on the back. --MartyD 02:24, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Castle Roogna
I know yours was a transient verification, but FYI I added a cover image to CSTLRGNNNN1979 and expanded the notes a little based on my copy. --MartyD 21:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Gateway
I added cover art to your verified pub which matches my copy of the same edition. Kevin 05:26, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Sea Siege
Yours was a transient verification, but FYI, I added a cover image to SSGCDQWWDG1980 that matches my copy of the same edition. --MartyD 12:37, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Spellsinger- added cover/notation
This. . I added a cover image matching my copy to your ver and notation. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 16:06, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

The Hour of the Gate---Added cover image/ notation
This. . I added the cover and notation matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 16:22, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Son of Spellsinger--add cover/notation
This. . I added a cover image and notation. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:48, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Medusa: A Tiger by the Tail--- added new working cover/ notation
This. . I added a working cover image and notation. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:41, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Deathworld Trilogy
Added a cover image to, and verified, your transient verified 11th printing. I have the same edition. --MartyD 13:30, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

An Emperor for the Legion
I updated your transient verified pub with some dates and reformated the notes, and corrected one spelling error. - Thanks - Kevin 17:57, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Into the Out Of- added cover/notation
This. . I added the cover match to my copy and your ver. Added notes. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 19:49, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

A Fall of Moondust-- added notation
Afternoon. This. . I added notation matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:51, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Brother to Shadows--- added notation
Afternoon!. This. . I added notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 19:21, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Garan the Eternal--- added notation/illustration
Morning! This. . I added notation and illustration in matching my copy to your trans ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:54, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

The Prince Commands - added notation/ agree about Tom Kidd
Morning! This. . I added notation after matching my copy to your ver. I erased specualtion on Tom Kidd, as it was clear to me after I found it. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:08, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Merlin's Mirror added notation
Morning again! This. . I added notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:24, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Judgment on Janus added cover/notation
Morning! This. . I added a cover and notation to your ver after matching my copy. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:11, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Witch World added cover/notation
Afternoon! This. . I added a cover and notation matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:09, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

The Sleeping Dragon
Added a updated cover and some notes to. Dana Carson 06:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Also added updated cover and content to Dana Carson 06:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Blacklash
Added a cover image to [] --Bluesman 02:26, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Beyond the Beyond -  added cover/notation/page numbers
Afternoon! This. . I added a cover image of the 4th printing, notation and page numbers after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 19:39, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

In the Hands of Glory
I approved your addition of but then changed the price from Cnd$3.50 to C$3.50. See Template:PublicationFields:Price --Marc Kupper|talk 03:54, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Sword of Shannara
Concerning the note in your submission of this record. You must be referring to this record which matches the record in the Locus database. Your 1983 printing has a higher price than the 1984 Locus record. Perhaps the confusion is caused by having a printing that kept the date of an earlier printing. Otherwise I can't reconcile the differences between the two records. Maybe one is mm and the other is tp? Any further info might help. Thanks. MHHutchins 20:28, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Starchild        -    added cover
Afternoon! This. . I added a cover image,, after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:44, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

The Caterpillar's Question  added notation
Morning! This. . I added notation after matching my copy to your trans and my primary. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:34, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Cut By Emerald -   replaced broken link/added notation/contents
Morning! This. . I replaced broken link with this,, and added contents. To all. This is still an rpg game book in pb format. If this is allowed then I have several score rpg tp that have just as much 'literary' content or more. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:12, 5 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I believe we don't treat "Choose Your Own Adventure" books as harshly as RPG modules or sourcebooks. Why, I'm not sure: possibly because they're completely self-contained, or maybe because they're single player/reader. BLongley 19:51, 5 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Well one of them is 'parsed naked' for whatever good it does. LOL. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:52, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Childhood's End
Re: Childhood's End You may have the same book I have, but the 31st printing (June 1975) is dated after the 1st special printing (November 1974) which does not make the 1st special printing the 32nd printing. I made a clone of this pub using my book. Once my clone is approved, look at both and see if they are identical as I think they are. --Astromath 14:09, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

The Dolphins of Pern - adds
Afternoon! This. . I added notation and changed cover to ISFDB after matching my copy to your transient ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:26, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Antrax - adds
Morning! This. . I added notation and embedded the cover after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:05, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

the Borribles - add cover/notation
Morning! This. . I added notation and cover image after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:25, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

The Elf Queen of Shannara - changed cover art/notation
Morning! This. . I changed the cover art to the Rowena first printing art and removed note about it being incorrect ( the original art you ver). Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:06, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

The Outposter
I expanded the notes and converted the catalog number to an ISBN on your verified pub. Thanks - Kevin 22:19, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Maskerade Pratchett 1996
Hi, I have added cover, artist and notes to this pub you verified. --Pips55 22:20, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

The Borribles Go for Broke
Added cover & updated cover artist credit for. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:13, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Mistress Masham's Repose
If this was published in Canada, the price should be given in Canadian currency by adding a "C" before the dollar sign. Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:55, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

The Caves of Steel
Re: The Caves of Steel

Replacing Amazon image with better quaility image scanned from personal collection.--Astromath 13:35, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Cover artist for Farmer's Night of Light
Hello, I added Di Fate as artist for this pub..