User talk:Bluesman/Archive10

The Evolutionary Void
Can you confirm that only "Del Rey" is credited as the publisher on the title page of this edition? According to the Amazon Look Inside, Ballantine is the publisher and Del Rey remains an imprint. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 06:03, 1 November 2012 (UTC)


 * There is no publisher on the title page. Opposite page has Del Rey /Ballantine logo. Copyright page has Del Rey as an imprint of Random House. Ballantine is on the spine with Del Rey.


 * Sounds like it should then be "Del Rey / Ballantine". What I'm trying to do here is determine if, or when, Del Rey should be considered the publisher. In the past few years there have been dozens of records entered as Del Rey only. (About a dozen records from 1978-1988 entered by Bill Longley remain separate from the hundreds of books from this publisher because of a personal preference which I fail to fully understand.)  If the imprint is still published by the Ballantine division of Random House, (who is not to my knowledge ever acknowledged as the publisher on the title pages or spines of Del Rey books), then we should use the same designation to keep these books of the past 35 years under the same name. Mhhutchins 18:48, 1 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Good grief, what nitwit made Star Wars a publication series. I dislike 'standardization' for its own sake. Look at some of the messes such has caused by that practice from Locus/Contento with authors and artists [sure would get rid of a ton of Variants and Pseudonyms, though!!]. --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:12, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Similar situation with this record, but with an added imprint for the ISFDB standard publisher as "LucasBooks / Del Rey / Ballantine". Mhhutchins 06:29, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Here's another Star Wars book so it may be the same as the one above. (Amazon's Look Inside doesn't show the title page of this one.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 06:31, 1 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Both have assorted logos on the title pages, both have Del Rey as an imprint of Random. I have never done three levels in the publisher field, preferring imprint only, occasionally imprint/publisher. As far as I know, that's still up to the individual editor. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:48, 1 November 2012 (UTC)


 * That's true, but then that editor would be entering records under a publisher name which would keep those records away from the majority of titles published by the same publisher. Databases don't work very well when such individuality of judgement are encouraged. It's reasonable to have some conformity. Mhhutchins 18:48, 1 November 2012 (UTC)


 * If you only want to go two levels, and if Ballantine is printed on their title pages, I would suggest "Del Rey / Ballantine". As far as I know Del Rey is still an imprint, and not a publisher, but there have been some shake-ups in Random House the past few years regarding publishers and imprints. If Del Rey has been shifted out from under Ballantine, then the ISFDB standard entry would be "Del Rey / Random House". A book published in July of this year still showed the Del Rey logo and "Ballantine Books" on the title page, according to the Amazon Look Inside. Mhhutchins 18:23, 1 November 2012 (UTC)


 * It's cases like this one that make me wonder if we may want to allow multiple publishers/imprints per pub. But that's fodder for another discussion... Ahasuerus 18:27, 1 November 2012 (UTC)


 * And now that DIsney owns Star Wars I wonder how those books will appear in a few months? One of the reasons I don't go more than two levels, a few more merges/acquisitions and there'll only be one 'publisher' left. I'm surprised that the two were only listed to Del Rey, my 'auto-complete' always fills in the Ballantine portion. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:34, 1 November 2012 (UTC)


 * No one is demanding that you to go further than two levels (although there are several dozen records in the db for LucasBooks / Del Rey / Ballantine). Please read the additional comments I've inserted above. (About autofill: I don't use it when entering data into the ISFDB. There were just too many errors in my entries before I cut it off entirely.) Mhhutchins 18:48, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Uploaded signature image
I added the proper license tag to. ISFDB rules require that all images uploaded to the ISFDB server have a license tag. If you have a question about how to do this, just ask. Thanks. Mhhutchins 01:37, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I wanted to add a license to but I don't know its source. If you can tell me, I'll create a license tag for the file. Mhhutchins 01:45, 2 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Both images are on the Verification Requests page, looking for identities to the initials. Both will be deleted at some point. The Busby link is there. --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:49, 2 November 2012 (UTC)


 * You should not delete them as they're valuable and now that I've added a license they're in the signature library. Once the artist has been identified, it's easy to update the license with the artist name, and then there's a visual record of his/her signature. One other thing: how hard would it have been to just give me the link to the pub from which the image was scanned? Mhhutchins 03:40, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Brunner's Endless Shadow
Hello, Bill! Your opinion would be welcome here. Stonecreek 14:11, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Benford's Cosm: A Letter to My Readers added
Well, I just added this essay to your verified pub.. Stonecreek 19:53, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Neal Asher's The Engineer Reconditioned
I'm unable to find a listing for this hardcover edition on Locus1. The UK pricing of a US publisher brought the record to my attention. Can you confirm the price and binding through another source? Mhhutchins 23:08, 4 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Price, no. The hardcover edition is still offered by amazon, $29.95. Locus verification removed. HC ISBN present in the OCLC record linked, as well. --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:16, 4 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm going to remove the UK price which is obviously wrong (it may be the price converted for the UK, but I don't think Wildside editions are priced in UK currency). I will add the current price but will note the source and date. Hopefully someone with a hardcover copy will be able to confirm or change it. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:20, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Artist for Future City ed. by Roger Elwood
This is Angus McKie for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?255561 Future City ed. by Roger Elwood] (from The Flights of Icarus). Denis 20:07, 7 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I see it has been updated [and I do have the Dean book]. Thanks! --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:16, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

The Malacia Tapestry by Brian W. Aldiss
Only chimera was used for this cover from art by Peter Goodfellow (from The Flights of Icarus). Denis 20:30, 8 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Record updated and source noted. Thanks! Looks like you are going through the whole book so I won't duplicate your efforts. --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:36, 8 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Another question. What should I do with original art? I think, this isn't variant of this cover. Maybe simply write in notes about relations. Denis 21:30, 8 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I already noted that the cover is a portion only. Not sure what else would be added? I never make Variants when it comes to artwork, though some editors seem to do hundreds. I have no advice on what to do with the original. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:36, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Dozois' Best SF Stories, Ninth Annual
Can you check to see if the publisher as given on the title page of this record is "E. P. Dutton"? I've started to separate those books published after the publisher became an imprint of the Penguin USA Group as simply Dutton, when previously it had the full name of E. P. Dutton. I'm assuming this 1980 edition gives "E. P. Dutton" as the publisher. Because it's been primary verified, I've not updated the record, but am asking you to do so, if the publisher as given in the record can not be confirmed. Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:37, 9 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Record updated. Simply Dutton on the spine but E.P. on title page; oddly nothing on the copyright page. --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:45, 9 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:21, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Cooper's All Fool's Day
Can you confirm the title of this record is correctly given as it appears on the book's title page? It is currently under the title record of All Fools' Day. (Note the placement of the apostrophe.) Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 15:34, 12 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, the record is correct. Apostrophe consistent on cover/spine and title page. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:55, 12 November 2012 (UTC)


 * So it should be moved from its current title record (Fools') to the title record for Fool's. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:26, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

All Fools' Day vs All Fool's Day
'Hi Bill, Can you check the title page of All Fool's Day, to see whether it is All Fool's Day (as on the cover) or All Fools' Day (as with the first Coronet printing)? this record has a weird contents:
 * [6] • Author's Note (All Fool's Day) • (1966) • essay by Edmund Cooper
 * 7 • All Fools' Day • (1966) • novel by Edmund Cooper
 * Notice the place of the apostrophe.--Dirk P Broer 18:18, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Contents for The Flights of Icarus
I have completed contents for The Flights of Icarus. If you like, you could export it into the your pub. Denis 20:13, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Wizard of Storms
Just added cover artist O'Brien to this publication. Horzel 11:44, 13 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Excellent! Knew I'd seen that one before. With 6,000+ paperbacks it's hard to remember all the covers. --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:30, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

The English Assassin
Expanded notes and added subtitle to your verified copy.--Dirk P Broer 15:12, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

The Man Who Ate the World
Hello Bill(s), I'm not sure that this pub is indeed the first Panther printing, see this cheaper one. Hauck 15:36, 23 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Agreed! Shall alter the notes accordingly. Price would put this in '80. Thanks! --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:49, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Cover art for The Unincorporated Woman
I can see no difference between the cover art of the and your. So I don't understand the warning not to merge the two records. What's the difference?. Mhhutchins 15:03, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

I see what happened: the hardcover record must have linked to the Amazon image which is decidedly different. The PV of that record uploaded the correct image of the hc edition in October after you had uploaded the image of the tp edition in July. Mhhutchins 15:07, 24 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Quite correct! Recent enough that I remember it being quite different at the time. Records merged. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:23, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Story in Beyond the Safe Zone
Can you confirm that the story in this collection (page 450) is titled "Entropy's Jaws" and not the canonical title "In Entropy's Jaws"? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 04:20, 26 November 2012 (UTC)


 * It is 'In Entropy's Jaws'. Corrected the record. --~ Bill, Bluesman 06:04, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Duplicate pub record for Neanderthals
This record duplicates a record that's already in the database. The only difference is that Silverberg is replaced by Asimov. According to the OCLC record, both are credited. You and Ron should decide which record should get axed. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:06, 26 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Wondered why it wasn't on the database. Cover explicitly credits Silverberg, as does Reginald and Clute; neither mentions Asimov [other than series 'creator']. I'll leave a note for monsieur Trace. Another oddity is that the series didn't exist. --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:27, 26 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Yours is correct (except for one page number error). I've corrected yours and deleted mine, moving the review.  Thanks for catching it.  Not that it is important, but Trace is actually my middle name. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:30, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Unpleasant Profession cover artist found
The same cover art used for this publication is credited to Paul Lehr in this one. Mhhutchins 02:35, 29 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I would never have guessed that cover as by Lehr! Totally different. Thanks! --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:49, 29 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree. It looks more like a Bonestell. Mhhutchins 16:55, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

The Earth Tripper
Just added cover artist Larry Kresek to this publication. Horzel 16:06, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

French AEVVs
Hello Bill, I saw that you entered some french translations of AEVV. Congratulations, you're attacking here a nice can of worms (particularly for the _Satellite_ magazine and its numerous and hazy sub series) ! For example, this publication is not an hc and is 187 (ISFDB count) pages long but these are details. More interesting is the fact that nowhere on the book is the publisher given as "Satellite" (there's only the name "Editions scientifiques et littéraires" visible on the cover). The price is also problematic as my copy has a 4.50 NF overprinted price tag and a "N.M.P.P." (it means "Nouvelles Messageries de la Presse Parisienne") marking which is important because it indicates that, at the time, this book was considered as a magazine (in fact probably a kind of special issue of the Satellite magazine) and distributed through the newspaper stands circuit and not in bookshops. To complicate all this a little bit more, it seems (by comparing the two books) that the same physical printing was re-used (albeit trimmed differently) to became the #19 of the equally vague "Satellite Sélection" series(here), also distributed through the NMPP but cheaper at 4 F. Hauck 15:22, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Just doing what I come across in Tuck, so far and adding the odd re-issue if I find a corresponding OCLC record. The one Satellite edition was the first I've encountered and I know nothing about it series-wise. That was what Tuck gave as the 'publisher'. OCLC has the publisher as you note above. Hopefully the ones I've entered don't need too much 'doctoring'? Luckily, you've done most of the ground-work, so it's usually just a matter of adding some new records to existing series. Catch any errors? I have noticed a number of collections still missing the French titles of the stories. I believe you did Van Vogt well before the current language support was in place. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:01, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Shock III
Could you please verify that the signature on the cover of Shock III could be 'kelman' instead of 'pelham', since this is obviously a cover by Murray Tinkelman, who also covered Shock I and Shock II. Thanks! Horzel 16:19, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Quite correct! Record has been updated. Very good catch! --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:27, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

The Magical Christmas Cat
Hi, I have a copy of this publication -- first printing, per number line -- and the USA price is $15.00, not $14.00 I will be doing a verification. Did you get this price from Locus1? Do I need to include in the Notes that the Locus1 price was wrong? Not sure how this is handled. BungalowBarbara 02:20, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Whether the price came from Locus, I can't say. Could just as easily have come from Amazon. In either case it was likely a pre-publication price [Locus gets books with covers not even attached, just wrapped with an elastic band] and obviously it changed before actual publication. You can just eliminate the note as you are verifying the publication. The only time to leave notes from secondary sources is if they add something not actually in/on the book. Locus is good for the month of publication quite often for editions that only state a year or for reprints that have no date. Sometimes a cover artist may be noted in the hardcover edition but not the paperback. That sort of thing. --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:35, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. BungalowBarbara 02:50, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

A / The Plague of Masters
Can you check the title of this story in your verified Flandry of Terra? In both my editions it's "The Plague of Masters", not "A Plague of Masters". Thanks, --Willem H. 19:50, 15 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Definitely "The ..." Changed the pub record but no merge done as the only other records of the title are as novels ... ? --~ Bill, Bluesman 05:26, 17 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Perhaps it should be as novel (150 pages?). Even the ace double edition is over 100 pages, and we have that as a novel. What do you think? --Willem H. 15:59, 17 December 2012 (UTC)


 * If the word count justifies novel then novel it is! --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:29, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

"The Wounded Planet", by Roger Elwood & Virginia Kidd
Your verified copy of this book is a VT of Saving Worlds. I've asked a question about these books on the Help Desk, and I invite you to offer your thoughts. Chavey 07:00, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Billennium / Billenium
I would like to change the title of Ballard's story in this verified pub from "Billennium" to "Billenium" as it is on the titlepage. Hope you can agree. Thanks, --Willem H. 16:29, 16 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I do! Change away. --~ Bill, Bluesman 05:18, 17 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Done. --Willem H. 15:53, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Richard Matheson's The Finishing Touches
You verified which contains Finishing Touches and  which contains The Finishing Touches. Are these variants or separate stories? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:36, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


 * They are the same stories, titles as in the records. Good catch. --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:28, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks; varianted. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:58, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Garan the Eternal by Andre Norton
Hello, Bill! I found the above book (which really seems to me the same publication) as NOVEL as well as COLLECTION. Is it still undecided what it is? Stonecreek 09:32, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Oooooooooh, good one! Near as I can figure, Garan the Eternal is a fix-up novel but it seems to appear only with the extra stories. So the title is for a novel which is included in a collection [maybe Omnibus would be better??] of the same name. That's assuming all the entries have the same contents, of course. Could take a bit of sorting. However, there still shouldn't be two records for the same edition. One has to go, but which one? Glad you caught this, my brain obviously glitched from one month to the next [Norton was a big project, trying to incorporate as much data as possible from Jay Watts site and ours]. --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:52, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Han Solo at Stars' End & Han Solo's Revenge
Re: Han Solo at Stars' End & Han Solo's Revenge

Could you recheck your copy, please? My copy has everything identical to your notes, but the price is $1.95. If your copy is indeed $2.50, then we'll need to create a new record for my $1.95 edition.

My copy of Han Solo's Revenge price is $2.25, otherwise everything is, again, identical.--Astromath 23:41, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Both of my editions are printed in Canada which would account for the higher prices. Have adjusted the two records. Clone away! The images are of my books so you'll need to upload a cover image with the US price. --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:44, 21 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Thx!--Astromath 01:56, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Del Page Numbers
You have verified the following two publications which each contain an essay having a page numbers of "del": Were theses titles supposed to have been removed from these publications? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:00, 22 December 2012 (UTC)


 * What titles??¿¿?? ;-))  --~ Bill, Bluesman 15:57, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

The Day of the Burning
Re: The Day of the Burning

Changing month of publication in Year field to 11. Notes has November, but the Year field has 10 which is October.--Astromath 14:35, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Buy Jupiter and Other Stories
Hi Bill. I see you're holding Astromath's edit of this pub. I found a more reliable source of the publication date in Locus #198. Can you reject this edit for me? Thanks, --Willem H. 09:49, 25 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Done! --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:33, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Spindrift by Steele
The author credit of this publication record doesn't match the author credit of its title record. Mhhutchins 22:09, 28 December 2012 (UTC)


 * It does now! --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:51, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

A Wilderness of Stars
I added cover artist Robert Foster to this publication. Horzel 23:08, 28 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, edit approved! --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:35, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Doomsman / Telepower
Can you confirm that this publication was published in the dos format? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 02:51, 29 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Nope. Corrected. --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:54, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

"Pseudo-Fixer" submissions
I see that you approved 6 of my "pseudo-Fixer" submissions earlier today. I appreciate the sentiment, but I am afraid I'll have to continue processing these submissions on my own, at least for now. It's time-consuming and I'd rather be working on the software, but them are the breaks :-( Ahasuerus 00:56, 31 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, just did the ones that were "Add Pub", as usually those are no-brainers. It doesn't seem fair that you're stuck with all the new submissions, 'pseudo' or not, so thought I would lighten the load a little. Afraid my 'load' will be non-existent for about a week or more as I badly cut my hand on a saw today and can't handle a mouse, or much else. About twenty stitches and several lacerated veins in my thumb. About five minutes just to type this .... oh, joy!! --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:30, 31 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Ouch! Sorry to hear about the cut! If it's any consolation, one time (some 40 years ago) I managed to cut my left thumb almost in half with a tin can (!) and it still healed just fine. Goes to show that thumbs are resilient little guys :) Ahasuerus 02:44, 31 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry to hear this. Sure hope you mend well. --Willem H. 08:55, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Ghost Walker
Re: Ghost Walker

Added artist & notes where found.

Just after making this edit, I forgot to add a note mentioning that the title on the cover has a hyphen whereas the title page title does not.--Astromath 19:02, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

The Silent Invaders artist credit
User:Welshgriffin has added a cover artist credit based on ownership of the original painting to your verified. --MartyD 12:33, 7 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Original painting! Very cool! Even knowing the name the signature still isn't legible. lol. Thanks Marty. --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:29, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Author's Note
I came across two publications in which there are author notes listed as shortfiction: While this wouldn't be the first time I've seen an author's note that is indeed really fiction, these two seem like they might be essays. Thought I'd double check with you. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 02:00, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
 * containing AUthor's Note (How Few Remain) (plus the capital U)
 * containing Author's Note (Somewhere East of Life)


 * Both fixed! --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:03, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Gaughan frontispiece for The Many Worlds of Magnus Ridolph
Can you confirm that the same frontispiece was used in both the 1966 Ace edition and the 1980 DAW Books edition? Thanks for looking. Mhhutchins 06:22, 9 January 2013 (UTC)


 * They're not even close, and the DAW piece doesn't match any of the other ones in the Ace edition, either. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:14, 9 January 2013 (UTC)


 * As I suspected. I can't imagine Wollheim using a piece that he'd commissioned when he was the editor at Ace for a book under his own imprint more than a dozen years later. I'll separate the record into two. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 18:21, 9 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey, editors are cheap! If Ace was defunct such 'niceties' might be overlooked??¿¿?? ;-))  --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:23, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

StarQuest by Koontz/Doom of the Green Planet/Petaja
In I see no mention in the notes that on the spine there's a number 020-08070-060 -- nor do I have any idea what that number could be. ?? O&#39;Fearna 00:09, 13 January 2013 (UTC)


 * It doesn't really mean anything, an odd code that Ace used on lettered editions [not all]. The '020' isn't a valid prefix for any English language publisher. The five-digit 08070 can be 'split' with the '08' referring to the letter 'H' [8th letter of the alphabet] and the '070' is the second half of the book's catalog # [H-70]. Since the entire code can't be made into an ISBN, it's largely ignored. In August 1969 it was dropped and the 441-five-digit #s were put on the spine. --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:18, 13 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Cool, thanks. O&#39;Fearna 06:51, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Merge & Variant Candidates
There are a couple of merge / variant candidates in which you have verified publications containing both titles: Would you mind checking if these should be merged/varianted or notes added stating they're different? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:33, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge Candidate: Black Dog (in ) vs. Black Dog (in ).
 * Variant Candidate: That Strain Again (in ) vs. That Strain Again ... (in ).


 * One of each, and done! Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:04, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Norton's Perilous Dreams
Can you take a look at this book and see if there is an ISBN? By 1978 DAW has started giving ISBNs on their spines. It may be 0-87997-405-2. (The linked OCLC record gives that ISBN.) Thanks for looking. Mhhutchins 19:27, 14 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Indeed, it does. Amended the record. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:41, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Emissary
Re: Emissary

Could you check your copy? The notes say that the spine & copyright page has the correct ISBN, but on my copy, the ISBN on the spine matches the one on the back cover (which is the wrong ISBN). I'm also asking the same thing of BLongley. Thx.--Astromath 03:13, 18 January 2013 (UTC)


 * The note is correct, spine and back cover do not match [checksum on spine is an '8', on back cover is a '9']. --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:17, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I see it now. Here's what I have:  Back cover:  0-671-78958- 9 ; Spine:  0-671-78958- 8 ; Copyright page:  0-671-7 98 58-8.  All three ISBNs are different and only the copyright page is correct (I think).  I've underlined the differences.  Perhaps you can get together with BLongley to make sure we are all on the same "page."--Astromath 06:03, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Warchild
Re: Warchild

The top part of the "S" from Keith Birdsong's signature is visible below the "S" of "Friesner". Adding artist & notes. Uploading scan of my copy.--Astromath 04:54, 18 January 2013 (UTC)


 * There is nothing there and your scan is too grainy to see anything. Went over my copy with a magnifier.  --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:37, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It's possible that not all covers were cut the same. The one I replaced was cut closer to the author's name than mine.  Here's the magnified copy:    You can clearly see the top part of the "S" along the edge.  Now that I look at it, the long stroke of the top part of Birdsong's "B" is also visible (but just barely).  This image can be deleted once you are satisfied if you wish.--Astromath 12:00, 19 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Well aware that not all copies of any book are necessarily cropped the same, but I think you're building a snowman out of a single flake! lol! I've used 'partial' signatures before but never anything this slim. Even the blown-up image is so grainy one can barely see a curved line, much less a letter. --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:24, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Under the Green Star's Spell
You did secondary verification of. Whelan's Wonderworks has the following illustration labeled for a non-existent book and Hall3730 (primary verify) is not active anymore. Is the picture actually from In the Green Star's Glow? Thanks [here] O&#39;Fearna 12:31, 19 January 2013 (UTC)


 * It is one of four interior illustrations. --~ Bill, Bluesman 15:33, 19 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm assuming it's the first one... should I add it to the contents and variant it? O&#39;Fearna 08:36, 20 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Bill - I updated the pub record to add the "Editor's Note", the Appendix, and to also add a couple notes to match my copy in hand. I've left linking or varianting or expanding the interior artwork contents for O'Fearna. I'm not opposed to either solution (Linking the single interior artwork as a variant, (with a note) or adding 4 separate interior artwork records and linking just the single panel/page which is reprinted- Thanks, Kevin 15:40, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Star Trek Voyager: Violations
Re: Star Trek Voyager: Violations Removing series title from title. All other pubs of this series do not include the series title in the title.--Astromath 13:22, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

The Art of Michael Whelan
can I take over the primary verification of this book? I'd like to add the interior art records, especially the ones that were used as book covers for other entries. Thanks, I'll wait to hear your answer. O&#39;Fearna 06:50, 18 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Primary 2/3/4/5 are still open. Why would you want to "take over" anything? Add the contents if you want. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:43, 18 January 2013 (UTC)


 * OK, will I have to notify you of changes to your verified record (again)? O&#39;Fearna 01:23, 19 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Only if you change something in one of the fields. I'm assuming you will be adding some notes, which is fine. If I missed something I'd like to know. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:26, 19 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I've added some notes and about 1/5 of the contents... as of right *now*, they're pending and I'm off to bed (Vicodin does that!) Night/Morning O&#39;Fearna 13:11, 19 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Adding contents is not the same as adding notes. Please continue your discussion with the primary verifier before making further submissions to add contents to the record. Mhhutchins 22:24, 20 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Bluesman, please let me know if the track I've taken (about 1/3 of the contents) is OK with you? Thanks O&#39;Fearna 02:52, 21 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Please don't take this the wrong way, or personally, but I don't care about the contents. I voiced my objection when Harry first started to enter contents for art books: "Art is NOT spec-fic" and while noting artwork that illustrates spec-fic covers/stories [as in magazines or collections] is fine I find nothing bibliographically interesting about noting the contents of any book an artist puts together to showcase his/her work. And doing variants in the hundreds or thousands to same is utterly inane. My opinion. So, enter the contents as you want, there are other eyes watching to make sure the 'process' is 'correct'. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:34, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Cover image for Transfigurations
Please remove my name as the source for. You deleted my scan which was a representation of the original cover image, which is bright yellow, not the orange-yellow one that you replaced it with. Mhhutchins 04:44, 21 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I hadn't noticed a color difference. I put your image back in. --~ Bill, Bluesman 04:51, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Image file upload limits
I've noticed recently that you're uploading cover image files with a height of 640 pixels. Is there a reason for making an exception to the ISFDB standards in these cases? Mhhutchins 05:13, 25 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not all that concerned about the height, much more so the file size. The size of the images is a default setting that I can't change. I scan at relatively high resolution, then run them through a program that gives only four settings. The medium setting always gives a file size of less than 150kb, even if the original image is of multi-mb size. And that's what it's been for about 2 years, not just recently. --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:08, 26 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Read again: I said "I've noticed recently" not that you started recently. I suppose you're familiar with the ISFDB upload standard as stated here: Cover images should be no more than 600 pixels along the largest dimension.. I'm not sure why that particular figure was arrived at, but like any other IFSDB standard, most users follow it and have figured out how to resize their images to accommodate it. As a moderator, I can't ask editors to follow standards that I don't follow myself. I would suggest that if you feel this standard shouldn't be adhered to that you present the case to change it on the Rules & Standards discussion page. Mhhutchins 05:25, 26 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Hm, that's a good question. I am not sure I remember why we picked 600 pixels as the upper limit, but I think it may have been an attempt to satisfy copyright requirements. Ahasuerus 07:53, 26 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure it was because the Mediawiki default gives an "error creating thumbnail" if you go over 600. BLongley 18:46, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Watson's The Embedding
Can you get with Willem to discuss your verified record for the Quartet printing with his? There's a slight difference in price, the foreign prices are slightly off, and even more important, the cover art is entirely different. I don't believe Quartet would have reprinted it in the same year with different cover art (but anything's possible). Could your copy be from a later printing (even though your Canada price is cheaper than the price he lists)? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 19:49, 25 January 2013 (UTC)


 * All the prices except the UK one are less. Most odd. As for the 'secondary' source below, I haven't found it to be very accurate. I'll check with Willem, see if we can figure this one. --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:03, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

I just noticed this record with data from a secondary source, which is closer to your record, but dated September 1977. Mhhutchins 19:52, 25 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Looks like Fantastic Fiction has two 1975 Quartet printings (january and august), but without cover art. They are certainly different (and the second could just as well be from 1977). --Willem H. 16:16, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Verification question
This C.J. Cherryh book you and four others verified as being the 1st printing as per number line with "Printed in Canada". My 1st says printed in the US. Now there is no entry for a US printing. So is the there a Canadian printing with with a number line starting with a "1"? Is it a contributor's typo? Could five verifiers made the same mistake? Seems unlikely. I'd like to enter the US printing if these aren't the same book. I'm sending this to the other four verifiers to help figure this out.Don Erikson 00:25, 28 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Except for the "Printed in ..." statements, the US and Canadian editions are identical, both with a number line that begins with '1'. Usually in the late 70s the price would be different, but not always. Looking at the verifier list I'd say I'm probably the only one with a 'Printed in Canada' edition, so it would be easier to create a new record for that and just move one verification. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:35, 28 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I've created a clone now. Thanx for the info.Don Erikson 19:00, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Showdown at Centerpoint
Re: Showdown at Centerpoint Updating publisher to copyright page (& to be consistent with other Bantam Spectra pubs of this series).--Astromath 03:49, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

PKD's Zeit ohne Grenzen and more
Hello, Bill! I would like to delete one of this two publications: 1 & 2 and am preferring the one from 1965. Balowa was just an imprint of Zimmermann and it seems very likely that WorldCat got the year of 1965 from Deutsche Nationalbibliothek, which just has [circa 1965]. However, Tuck and other sources in german have the exact year of 1962 stated. Hope you can agree. Christian, Stonecreek 19:27, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

The same holds, I think, for this pub. by J. L. Powers that would have got the same way in. Stonecreek 19:45, 29 January 2013 (UTC)


 * You would know better than I, please do as you see fit. Thanks! --~ Bill, Bluesman 06:06, 30 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay, I have deleted the two later publications. You may like to verify the earlier ones anew (OCLC verification). Thanks, Christian Stonecreek 09:49, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Ven Begamudré Out of Sync
You have verified containing Out of Sync (1992) and  containing Out of Sync (2002). Would you mind checking if the 2002 version is a reprint that should be merged with the 1992 version? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 22:42, 29 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll get back to you. At first glance there are differences in length and text. Both books are in my to-read stack. Tomorrow! --~ Bill, Bluesman 06:16, 30 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Multiple textual changes, all small, but the ending goes quite differently. Still the same story, though. Merged. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:16, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Christopher/Winter Swan
You verified John Christopher's "The Winter Swan" in Currey and OCLC. My copy of Currey shows the author as "Christopher Youd", not "Samuel Youd"; and this cover image, which appears to be the same edition, agrees. Do you agree to changing the publication to have the author as "Christopher Youd"? Mike Christie (talk) 19:50, 2 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Seems like the correct move. Likely a pseudonym needed as well? --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:54, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes. I'm a bit out of practice at this, but I'll see if I can figure out the steps.  Thanks.  Mike Christie (talk) 20:07, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, I think I'm done. Let me know if there's more needed.  Thanks. Mike Christie (talk) 11:20, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Jailbird - Kurt Vonnegut
Can you take a look at your copy of http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18867? My copy has xxxviii+246 pages.SFJuggler 04:12, 3 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, the last Roman Numerated page is xxxviii. I should have only extended that by one to include the page with the Nicola Sacco quote. It's a failing, in my eyes, of how we do pagination in that there are often very interesting things on unnumbered pages that we just don't record, especially within those pages between prefaces/forewords/etc and the first page of story text. 'Technically' the page count is as you note. --~ Bill, Bluesman 04:23, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

The Year's Best Science Fiction: Twenty-Ninth Annual Collection
Can you confirm the title as given for the Jay Lake story on page 277 of this book? I'm holding a submission that wants to change it to "A Long Way Home". I can confirm that there is a story by the same author which was published as A Long Walk Home in Subterranean Online. (There's a link to the story in the title record so you can see if they're the same and if varianting one of the records is required.) Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 20:48, 4 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh-oh! Very bad typo on my part that seems to have been cloned at least twice!! Fixed this at the title level. The acknowledgments in the anthology have it as appearing 'electronically' on Subterranean, so went ahead and made the variant. Thanks! --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:13, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous Beyond
I was entering a review of of Beyond and was wondering if it was really credited to "Anonymous" or if it should more properly be uncredited. I think you're the only active editor of the three verifiers. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 16:34, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what the current 'standard' is. All nine authors are listed on the title page, but that seems like overdoing it. I'm not particular about anonymous/uncredited or all nine being listed. --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:44, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Since it is an anthology, I think the standard is to list the editor as opposed to the authors, and we have the actual editor as Thomas A. Dardis with the variant already created. However, this help section, under the second bullet suggests that Anonymous should only be used when the credit in the book is actually "Anonymous" and that it should be "uncredited" if the credit is simply not present. I would be surprised if the book actually states "Edited by Anonymous", but stranger things have occurred.  --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:58, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Books (Venture Science Fiction, Febrary 1970)
I corrected the spelling of February within the magazine title parenthetical for: Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:56, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Books (Venture Science Fiction, Febrary 1970)

After the Fall...
Hello. Have a question about. The statement in the book is unambigious: "Cover & interior design by Elizabeth Story". There is no mention of any interior art, so I fail to see the logic behind your note. Thank you. ForJohnScalzi 23:21, 12 February 2013 (UTC).


 * Don't think that was my note. May have been put there in this manner to stop anyone from giving cover credit .... ? The Locus verification you've done shouldn't be there. Locus online only goes to the end of 2007 and the CD-ROM to middle of 2009. As yet it does not include Locus Magazine. --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:52, 12 February 2013 (UTC)


 * So, I'll give cover credit and delete illogical "deduction" from the note. Thanks for the clarification about Locus. I wasn't using the magazine though, but on-line Monitor. ForJohnScalzi 01:17, 13 February 2013 (UTC).


 * Locusmag.com's Monitor is not the same source which we indicate as "Locus1", so be sure to designate it differently when giving it as the source for data in the note field. So, as Bill says, it shouldn't be used to indicate a Locus1 verification. Mhhutchins 01:43, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Anderson's Hidden Empire
Can you confirm the cover artist credit for this record? Could it possibly be credited to "Steve Youll"? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 06:40, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Steve it is, modified the record. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:14, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

HARM (Brian W. Aldiss)
I wonder if the mysterious "Del Rey" who interviewed in this pub was  (in which case we may need a pseudonym association established) or the eponymous publisher? Inquiring minds and all that! Ahasuerus 03:34, 18 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Only the initials 'DR' are used and the whole piece is ©'d 2007 to Random House. Del Rey died in '93.


 * P.S. Ditto the equally mysterious "DR (Del Rey)" who interviewed in your verified Nimisha's Ship. Ahasuerus 03:36, 18 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Not sure who added the (Del Rey) to 'DR', only the initials are in the interview. There is no separate mention of the interview on the copyright page, but it doesn't appear in the hardcover [1999] and the subject of the interview is a forthcoming Pern TV series which is noted as 'having been pushed back to 2000', so with Lester deceased in '93 he didn't do this one either. --~ Bill, Bluesman 06:52, 18 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see. I thought that it may have been a reprint of an older interview, but if you think about it, Lester del Rey wasn't a very likely interviewer especially in Aldiss's case -- they didn't always see eye to eye :-) Thanks for checking! I guess we will want to convert "DR (Del Rey)" back to "DR"... Ahasuerus 07:17, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

The Garden of Fear
I think I probably screwed up your verification of The Garden of Fear. I got confused by the way you credited (or didn't credit) Crawford as editor, creating a variant. You did not appear as a verifier on the variant with Crawford's name for some reason. Please check to restore your verification if necessary. I also incremented the title (using the title on the title page) and added a note about Howard's credit on the cover and title page. After everything is accepted/corrected, I will clone the pub twice for the other two covers. Sorry for the screw up. Bob 22:18, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't have the book, no idea what verification you're referring to. --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:22, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Artist signature
is missing the license tag. If you can remember the cover of the book you scanned it from, I'll add the tag to the file. Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:51, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Appears to be from [this] cover. --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:22, 20 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Added tag. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:50, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Zelazny's This Immortal
When you get a chance, could you join in this discussion concerning the "Fourth Ace Printing" of this title? Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:12, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

ISFDB for Dummies
I believe you wanted a Mac-Compatible version for review? You can download version 0.03 from Smashwords - https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/288178 - in various formats. I've only double-checked the online HTML version and obviously need to do some more work on the screenshots, but would like to know if there are problems with any of the other formats. BLongley 08:35, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I have no reader of any kind [staring at this screen is too much on most days], so just looked at the online version. The screenshots are difficult to read, as you've noted. It's impossible now to know how much this might have helped when I was a rookie editor. I do think a little more emphasis on the fact that our search engine is utterly anal about exactitude would help. Most internet users are 'spoiled' by the searchability of amazon/google where even a butchered entry can still get results. There is a self-deprecatory tenor [for the db, not you] that runs through the piece, in an amusing way [using Asimov and yourself to 'define' that elusive threshold is quite funny] but I got the faint feeling we were the dummies trying to recruit other dummies. But that's OK, the piece should relax people, not give them the impression that using/editing is simply too daunting for any but the 'pros'. My 2p [still have some 'old' British coins around here someplace]. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 15:58, 22 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the feedback. I too am not sure how helpful it is, but having some screenshots seemed a good idea - I just checked the Kindle version and reworked some images based on that. Now, where can we find some TRUE dummies to test it on? ;-) BLongley 16:34, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

The Star Wasps
Hi! Added cover credit for your verified from "Outermost: The Art + Life of Jack Gaughan". Thank you. ForJohnScalzi 00:47, 26 February 2013 (UTC).

Destinies, Fall 1980
I found Vincent Di Fate's signature on the cover of Destinies, Fall 1980. --Willem H. 20:02, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Murgunstrumm and Others
I expanded the notes to Cave's Murgunstrumm and Others, including altering the note about the signed bookplate. My copy doesn't have the bookplate. I'm only adding the notification here (instead of your images and notes page) in case you want to alter the note to say that yours is one of the copies with the bookplate. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 16:13, 2 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, added an addendum to that line. Not sure what the note about the Bleiler reference is for, it's not a Secondary Verification source? Though the Reginald reference makes perfect sense as those pesky alphabetical listings are so hard to use! ;-) --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:25, 2 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I came across some publications where another editor had added the Reginald numbers and I decided to start doing that when I add the verification. I'm adding the Bleiler GSF as a secondary reference even though it's not one of our listed ones.  It may be worth adding.  It's uniform with the other two Bleiler references published by Kent State.  In any case, one sometimes sees these catalog numbers used in sale listings.  L.W. Currey frequently uses them.  So I figured that some could find it useful in matching records against sale catalogs.  Congratulations on having one of the plated Caves.  It seems that you had to pre-subscribe in order to get the plate.  I think only one of my Carcosas has such a plate. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:34, 2 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I bought the copy used. It was one in a box of rather rare editions that I bought for others, not the Cave. Actually I left behind an entire bankers' box full of limited edition hardcovers as they were all horror. Kick myself now but .... still ended up with some scarce Bloch. Seems dealers only use the Reginald [sometimes other] references when selling a first edition. --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Cover image for The Silver Gryphon
I've replaced the file that you'd uploaded for the cover of this edition. Your scan seemed to be very green compared to mine which was shades of gray. I didn't delete your file just in case it's correct and I could add a link to the alternate cover. If you feel my image better represents the cover of your copy, feel free to delete the original image. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Same colour, really, just a little darker. What size scanner do you have? I've looked for one with a bigger 'bed' but can't find anything bigger than 8 1/2x11 1/2", just not big enough to do most wraparound hardcover jackets.  --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:18, 4 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I use a HP Photosmart scanner with an "A4" size platen. That comes to 8.27" x 11.69". I have to scan the overwhelming majority of wraparound jackets twice, and then use a software program (Paint.net) to combine them into one image. The results look nice, but it really takes some effort to create most of these full jacket images. Mhhutchins 00:49, 4 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I have no 'stitching' program, alas. I have seen commercial scanners online with roughly 11x17 scanning capabilities but very expensive, not worth it for the few wraparounds. Thanks! --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:33, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Titan vs. Titan Books
As a verifier of a book listed with "Titan" as a publisher, I invite you to look at this conversation on "Titan" vs. "Titan Books". Chavey 05:03, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Crawford's The Witch of Prague
You've got a number of secondary source verifications of an 1891 Macmillan printing of F. Marion Crawford's The Witch of Prague. That publication also has a note stating that Reginald1 states 3 volumes whereas Worldcat has a single 435 page edition. I've done a bunch of digging and I think the 3 volume edition is the 1st UK printing and the 435 page edition is the first US. There is a scan of the 435 page 1891 edition here, which includes ads in the back of the book with prices in dollars. The verso of the title page also mentions a New York printer. I can't find an online scan of the 3 volume edition. However, this 1901 edition has a printing history that includes the 3 volume edition and does not match the printing history in this 1919 edition which I believe is the US edition because of the form of the publisher's name. Additionally, it has 421 pages as opposed to the 435 of all the US printings. You're probably wondering why I'm bothering you about a book that you don't even own. The reason is that I think we should remove the Reginald1 verification from the 1891 US 1 volume edition. It seems that only the original verifier can do that (I think this is a recent change to the software). I'm intending to add publication records for the additional publications that I've found. I'll also be updating the 1891 edition with a month and price and expanding the notes. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:21, 10 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I didn't expect you to delete your record. The OCLC you cited was for the first US edition, and I was going to edit the record to add the additional details I was able to research.  I actually had started to do so, but decided that I should probably leave it alone until you had a chance to see the pub record as it was and respond.  Anyway, I hope you didn't feel as if I was trying to take over a record that you had worked on.  I'll go ahead and clone from the second US printing to get the record back.  Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:24, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank You M'Am
Your verified lists a Thank You M'Am by. I'm wondering if the author's name is a typo and it is a reprint of 's Thank You, Ma'm. Would you mind checking the author's name and whether Omni references a prior publication? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 22:12, 19 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Typo, now corrected. Noted as a reprint from '58. Titles merged [earlier one corrected]. --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:17, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Dickson's Ancient, My Enemy
I was looking over some of my earliest announcement flyers from the SFBC, when I noticed that the price given in this record doesn't match the flyer's price ($1.49). Do you know what the source is for this record? It was about this time that the book club started to raise the price of the second selection from $1.49 to $1.98 for new members, while the current members were "grandfathered" to the price they were originally offered. So it's possible that in this transition period that some flyers gave the price as $1.98. Mhhutchins 00:32, 22 March 2013 (UTC)


 * No idea. It was likely there when I verified it, or I would have noted the source. Since you have a source, feel free to change it. Don't forget a note!!! ;-))  --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:44, 22 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Same situation with this record. I've uploaded the pertinent pages of the SFBC flyer for this selection. If you look at the top right corner of the front page (left side), you'll see the code "A-149". This was on the fronts of all flyers from October - December 1974 (four periods including the Fall selection), and at least one of the two featured selections was priced at $1.49. Starting with the January 1975 flyer, the code disappeared and the price for the second featured selection rose to $1.98. It is my theory that the price rose for new members starting in October, but not for current members. That's why the current members received the coded over-printed flyers with the lower price for those four remaining months of 1974. The same thing happened in 1979 when the price of the lowest-priced selection went to $2.49, and in 1981 when the price went to $2.98. In these transition periods (usually 4-5 months) the new members price rose before the current members. I'll do more research to see if the prices given in Locus represent the lower of the prices during these transition periods. Unfortunately, I left the club in 1983, returning for two separate stints in the 1990s, and I didn't keep the flyers for those periods. Mhhutchins 01:28, 23 March 2013 (UTC)


 * And I used to have ALL those fliers from the 80s, but then they were for the CDN version of the club and the prices were different up here. --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:32, 23 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I've updated the price of both records, and given the source. :) I'll continue to compare the prices in the flyers with the current records. Mhhutchins 02:05, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Mutant
Hello, for your Tuck-verified could you please check price in Tuck. All cover images I was able to find show 3/6 as the price, also overall pricing scheme for that year points toward 3/6. Thank you, ForJohnScalzi 10:24, 23 March 2013 (UTC).


 * Price in Tuck is 2/6. Many Penguins from that time were 2/6 or 3/6. Still could be a typo. If you upload an image simply note the discrepancy, it can get 'fixed' one way or the other if/when someone has a physical copy. --~ Bill, Bluesman 10:41, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Dunsany's Tales of War
There was a note on Dunsany's Tales of War stating that it was issued without a jacket. I added a scan of the jacket which states it is from the first Little Brown printing. None of the secondary sources or the scan mention there not being a jacket so I replaced the comment with a note as to the source of the price (also from the jacket). If you've got some source stating that no jacket was issued, we can put the note back and try to figure out if we need a another pub record for the jacketed printing. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:07, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe that was from an AbeBooks dealer description. I'm not sure why you would link to Archive.org when there is no cover scan there? Also I had put both Clute/Nicholls and Clute/Grant as N/A as the first edition was the UK one and both of the encyclopedias only list first editions or variants. --~ Bill, Bluesman 15:33, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The link to archive.org wasn't me. It was there before my edits.  I'll take the Clute verifications off.  However, Bleiler78 lists the Irish edition as first.  I usually don't worry too much about the dates in the Clute encyclopedias and will add a verification for any edition matching that date, unless the citation mentions a specific locale.  Since you've got a primary on this one, I'll do it as you prefer.  Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:59, 23 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Only the Irish think they're not part of the UK!! ;-))  --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:25, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

SFBC ed. of The Fall of Colossus
Gutter code "12S" would be printed in the 12th week (March) of 1976. Look under the third column (Seq. 3) of the gutter code chart. Mhhutchins 19:54, 26 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Just a typo, have the charts on the wall above my desk. --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:20, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

SFBC ed. of Bradbury's Long After Midnight
I was able to confirm that this edition was an alternate selection of the SFBC. I found it listed in the Things to Come announcement flyer for November 1976. So I changed the publisher from "Alfred A. Knopf / BCE" to "Alfred A. Knopf / SFBC" and added the price as given in the catalog. I'll now add it to the SFBC wiki listings. Mhhutchins 22:00, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Great! Think it not being in the wiki listings was the only reason it had the publisher as BCE. --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:07, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Planet of Death
You have verified this publication of Planet of Death. I recently got the omnibus Three Survived / Planet of Death and noticed that Three Survived is a novella in the ISFDB and Planet of Death a novel. However, both have about the same length (~23,000 words). Based on that, shouldn't Planet of Death also be a novella and your pub a chapterbook? On the other hand, Silverberg refers to both stories as novels in the introduction of the omnibus. What do you think? Thanks, Darkday 19:43, 9 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm not going to argue with Silverberg!! ;-))  --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:41, 9 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Interesting. So the appraisal of an author takes precedence over the story length? The help defines 17,500 words to 40,000 words as the range of a novella. Darkday 00:27, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Tongue-in-cheek! I'm not much of a lengthist or all of the Ace Doubles would be cause for a coronary. If the word-count justifies novella then that's probably what it should be listed as. --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:41, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * So it's okay if I go ahead and make the change I initially mentioned? Darkday 23:29, 14 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Fine by me! --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:35, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Cover image for Bradbury's Green Shadows...
I've noticed that one can see a "ghost" image of The Best of Omni in. If you'd rather I do it, I could upload a new image for the cover. In fact, my scan is ready to replace that one when you say the word. Mhhutchins 21:14, 9 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Go for it! Used to use a magazine to hold the covers flat and some of the paper used for jackets is a little thin ... now I have a heavy piece of wood that's totally black, no more transparencies! --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:39, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

The Silmarillion
I have been asked to start a discussion as to whether or not J. R. R. Tolkien's The Silmarillion should be considered a collection or a novel with multiple parts. I haven't read this book, I just listed a French translation of this book on this site. Still, it looks like a collection to me. Please enter this discussion here and weigh in on the subject. MLB 21:29, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

No Bath for the Browns
Could you please double check whether "No Bath for the Browns" in your verified Stories NOT for the Nervous (abridged) is attributed to "Margot Bennet" or to "Margot Bennett" (two t's)? We have a story of the same title under, so it's presumably a misspelling which will require a VT or a merge. TIA! Ahasuerus 03:25, 5 May 2013 (UTC)


 * One 't' throughout, even the acknowledgements. The only place with two 't's is in the back cover blurb. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:27, 5 May 2013 (UTC)


 * VT/pseudonym set up. Thanks for checking! Ahasuerus 23:10, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

"The Past Through Tomorrow''
I accepted the submission by another editor to add the gutter code to the note field of this record. (I never realized that Putnam printed some books on Doubleday's presses.) Does your copy have the same gutter code? Mhhutchins 04:27, 5 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Indeed it does! I would never have thought to look, though the 'trim' on the pages is just like any Doubleday edition. Good catch! --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:25, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Cover artist for Williamson's The Humanoids.
I noticed that you recently verified the 1969 Lancer printing of The Humanoids and I assume the note about the cover artist is yours. Per this discussion, and because of your note, I am guessing that you removed Howard Winters as the cover artist. The interior art item in the Seventy-Five credits that cover to "H. Winters". When I originally linked the interior art to the cover art, it may have already been listed on the novel's record, so I simply linked it. I'd like to think that I credited Seventy-Five if I was the one who added Winters as the cover artist of the novel. Regardless, does the signature on your book look like it could fit with Winters? If so, I think we can add the artist back, note the Seventy-Five source and relink. If it looks like it can't possibly be Winters, then I can make mine a variant of uncredited with a note that the credit in Seventy-Five doesn't match the signature. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 22:51, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I re-read your note and you clearly say no visible signature, as opposed to undecipherable signature. I'll go ahead and add Winters back, provided I have your OK. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 22:55, 5 May 2013 (UTC)


 * There was no link or note of the source for the artist credit, at least not in the publication record. If there is/was one at the title record of the cover art, I'd never know to look. If you add the artist back please note the source. --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:29, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Missing cover photo, "Tomorrow and Tomorrow / The Fairy Chessman"
When you're back, could you check this thread? Chavey 06:15, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

"The Beginning Place", by Ursula K. Le Guin
I corrected the cover artist for your verified publication from "Griesbach Martucci" to "Cheryl Griesbach and Stanley Martucci", based on the conversation on the Community Portal Chavey 22:51, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Image for "The Sea Thy Mistress" ?
Thanks for finding the correct cover image for. Any chance you could do the same for ? (see the Notes for info). BungalowBarbara 01:20, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Done! --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:27, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you! BungalowBarbara 20:27, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Possible missing edition/printing of The Robots of Dawn
Hello, Bill! Please take a look at this. Maybe you are able to help in this case. I'll do what I am able to do, but do know next to nothing about Book Club editions, which this one may possibly turn out to be. Thanks, Christian Stonecreek 06:46, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Until she responds with the copyright page data, there's not much to add. Likely it's a first edition, maybe a later printing. Not a BCE with that gutter code. --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:12, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Time Is the Simplest Thing
Dirk P. identified the artist for this pub. I added the full name and a note. --Willem H. 18:53, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

The Mad Scientist's Guide to World Domination
Hi Bill, I found one mistake(?) in this pub. The author of "Harry and Marlowe Meet the Founder of the Aetherian Revolution" (page 245) should be "Carrie Vaughn", not "Vaughan". If you and Hervé agree, the title record can be changed. --Willem H. 18:46, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Agreed. No second 'a' in the name. I believe Hervé cloned the contents from the hardcover ... Started reading it yet? Some of the stories are quite funny. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:51, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Not yet, but I will soon. The world will shake... --Willem H. 18:53, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Length of Nancy Kress' After the Fall, Before the Fall, During the Fall
I noticed that we have Nancy Kress' After the Fall, Before the Fall, During the Fall listed as a novel and this it received a Hugo nomination for best novella. I believe our definitions of the fiction lengths are identical to the Hugo rules. The Hugo packet included a pdf of this book with which I was able to get a word count (38,361) and I've added that as a note to the title record. I'll leave it up to you and the other verifier, who I'll direct here, to decide if you want to change this to a novella/chapbook. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:33, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I've no particular thought on the matter, the whole chapbook business being (IMHO and as a non participant in this old debate) quite arcane and of no interest to me. If the word count is in the novella range, it's a novella. Hauck 14:30, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Same as Hervé. Not a lengthist. If I ever get to vote on a Hugo I'll reform ......... --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:39, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Cover art for Time Probe
This record just appeared as an error on a clean-up script. You updated several of the pub records under this title so I think one of the submissions may have created the error. What's strange is that the artist credited here,, has no visible records in the database, only this variant which points to a deleted record. I'll ask the latest verifier of the pub which contains this record to join in the discussion. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:03, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, the Dell paperback credits Lehr and the artwork on the hardcover is the same but was credited to Luttringhaus. No verifier to ask for a double-check ... --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:17, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * She was probably credited with cover design, and the editor who created the record gave her the cover art credit in the pub record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:41, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * My thought as well. --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:46, 28 May 2013 (UTC)