User talk:Animebill

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ISBN and catalog numbers
Thanks for your recent contributions. On two of them (for book club editions of The Hobbit and The Princess Bride) you included both the ISBN and the SFBC # in the ISBN field. In most cases, when the ISBN is printed in the publication, it should be the only number in the field. Older publications, especially paperbacks and book club editions, were not assigned ISBNs, so we use the publisher's catalog number. When both are present, it's preferable to give the catalog number in the NOTE field of the submission. Again, thanks for your submissions, and welcome to the ISFDB. Mhhutchins 18:47, 24 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Updating from the cover artist title record
You submitted a number of edits that were based on the cover artist records and not the publication records, which I could not accept as new pubs. You'll find them on your reject list. If you're adding a new pub to a title make sure you're on the pub's title page before choosing "Add Publication to This Title". Mhhutchins 18:56, 24 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Cloning versus Adding a New Pub
When you're adding a new pub for a pre-existing title and if that title has a publication with contents (such as a COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY or OMNIBUS), you can clone that pub. For instructions on cloning go here. It can save quite a bit of time. I went ahead and created new pubs from those you submitted by cloning the existing pub with contents. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:56, 24 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Cover: Clay's Ark
Hello - Many of your recent submissions looked fine and so it looks like you are getting the hang of things.

I'm not sure what you are trying to do with Cover: Clay's Ark. At this moment you have created a book that has the title Cover: Clay's Ark edited by Lee Wade, and the cover done (twice) by Lee Wade. It's not really a problem, we can delete that once we better understand what your intent was.

In looking at the title record for Clay’s Ark by I'd guess what you are working on is related to the first publication in that list.

To reply just hit "[edit]" to the right and add your reply to the bottom of the section being edited. If you put a colon at the start of the line it will indent it making it easy for others to see your reply vs. the original text. 22:38, 24 Jun 2007 (CDT)


 * After seeing that my first entry came from the cover section and not the publication section, I tried to clone it. I guess I didn't notice that it still had the cover in the title. I will correct it.Animebill

ISBNs
I suspect some of these comments may have been about your earlier submissions as for the most part what you are entering looks fine and the most recent items were approved without needing comments.

You entered The Lord of the Rings with an ISBN of 978-0-7394-0825-4 / 1006045. Unfortunately
 * ISFDB does not know about 13-digit ISBNs yet.
 * The ISBN field is only 10 characters meaning this will get cut off.
 * This is a tricky issue because it's one of those SFBC books

What I did was to enter the ISBN-13 into Amazon which returned.

I edited the publication record and changed the ISBN to 0739408259 plus added a publication note. See. 22:50, 24 Jun 2007 (CDT)


 * I was not aware that ISFDB did not recognize 13 digit ISBNs. That I can remember, this is the only time that that has come up.Animebill


 * Sort of :) The ISFDB software doesn't accept 13 digit ISBNs because it was coded that way long before 13 digit ISBNs became a reality. Our programmer, Al, added additional code to display 13 digit ISBNs derived from 10 digit ISBNs and was going to add even more code to allow the entry of 13 digit ISBNs when he was distracted by pesky real life issues. For now, I have updated the Help text to reflect this limitation. Thanks for editing! Ahasuerus 23:45, 24 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Different Seasons
You added a note to publication that says
 * My edition (which has the same ISBN and shows no indication of being a reprint - although it was acquired through the Stephen King Library) has a last numbered page of 527 at the end of the afterword. The text of the last story ends on 518. Is this the same edition?

First of all - many of the books were imported from Amazon which tends to have the wrong page count. Thus if everything matches but the page count it's likely you are looking at the correct record.

The complication is, as you noted, it seems to be a Stephen King Library reprint. Does your copy have a price on the front flap of the dust jacket? Usually clues that it's a book club edition are
 * There is no price - nearly all book club editions don't have a price.
 * The copyright page is missing first-printing and/or printing # stuff.
 * They often say "Book club edition" in small print at the bottom of the front or back jacket flap.
 * There is a small box containing a number like 87266 either on the back cover or back jacket flap.

If your copy has a price and otherwise seems like a retail edition then I'd go ahead with updating to fix the page count. You can add a note explaining you got your copy through the Steven King Library program but that it seems to match the retail trade edition exactly. You can also mark the publication record as verified.

If your copy is a book club edition (no price for example) then use the clone-publication function from and create a new record that matches your copy. You may want to add a publication note explaining you got the book through the Steven King Library. Basically, the goal is if someone finds a copy of the edition you have in a used book store or library sale that they will be comfortable that it matches the ISFDB record you created and would also learn it was published through the Steven King Library program. 23:08, 24 Jun 2007 (CDT)


 * Thank you for the info. While most (not all) SFBC copies have "Book Club Edition" printed at the bottom of the front jacket flap, most (if not all) Stephen King Library copies do not. Animebill

The Dead Zone
You had added an ISBN for The Dead Zone plus the note:
 * Another book acquired from the Stephen King Library. The last page in my book is numbered 426. Are some Stephen King Library books reprinted? Nothing on the back of the title page indicates this.

I suspect if you can't distinguish this from a retail trade edition then it's safe to use the existing ISFDB publication record. The only thing that I believe would be helpful would be if you added a note that you got your copy through the Stephen King Library program though it appears to be a retail trade edition. I'm assuming the books themselves don't say anything about the Stephen King Library? It seems I have seen that phrase before but I can't remember if it's on the books.

Ditto for:
 * Publication Dreamcatcher
 * Publication The Darkest Day (Iron Tower Trilogy) - one note on this is in ISFDB we generally have one record per printing.  Usually if I have a later printing I'll clone the existing record that's the presumed 1st printing and add notes explaining the new, nearly identical, record is for the 16th printing.
 * Publication Shadows of Doom (Iron Tower Trilogy, Book 2)

I'm assuming where you had comments like "This one looks like the 18th printing?" that you are looking at a number line. Something I've been doing is I will enter in the notes something like
 * The copyright page states "First Roc Printing September 1994 / 22 21 20 19 18"

That way there is no need for interpretation/decoding on my part as I'm just noting exactly what's stated in the publication. 23:19, 24 Jun 2007 (CDT)


 * Thank you for the info on retail version versus club version. I suspect that most of my Stephen King books are Stephen King Library reprints since there is no price on the dust jacket. Animebill


 * If there's no price then it would be better to clone each of the publications. Template:PublicationFields:Price seems silent on the issue but I'll put "None" in the price field and I see that some people use "N/A" to indicate the price is not stated. The goal is the publication record should match what's stated in your publication. If you have extra information, such as you know you got the book through a particular book club and/or how much you paid for it (assuming you got it directly from the book club), then you can add notes about this in the notes field.  01:00, 25 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Stephen King
A couple of questions about your recent Stephen King submissions:


 * 1) Is Dave Christiansen's name really spelled "Dave Christianson" in your copy of ''Salem's Lot'?
 * 2) Did you mean to use "0000-00-00" and not "1974-00-00" when submitting Carrie?

Thanks for editing! Ahasuerus 18:47, 26 Jun 2007 (CDT)


 * 1. No. The correct spelling of the last name is "Christensen". Good catch! Would you like me to submit correction?
 * 2. Yes.Animebill 18:57, 26 Jun 2007 (CDT)


 * No worries, all fixed now :) Ahasuerus 19:04, 26 Jun 2007 (CDT)

With the help of the above moderators, I have completed the cleanup of my initial edits of my Stephen King Library editions. Thanks again, guys! Animebill 21:09, 28 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Verifications
I am presently using verifications in the sense of "this information matches the primary source (e.g., the book or magazine) that I am holding in my hand" no matter whether I entered the information or not. Please let me know if this is no longer why we are using verifications.Animebill 21:32, 28 Jun 2007 (CDT)
 * I'm unsure what you mean by "no longer using verifications." But otherwise everything you state at the beginning of your note is correct. Make sure that every field that has already been completed matches the book in hand.  Then complete any missing data. Submit, and wait for moderator to accept.  Then check the final version before verifying the Primary Source.  Some editors verify before the final edits are approve, which throws up a red (actually yellow) flag to the moderator that changes are being made in a verified publication.  That's why I personally prefer that the editor waits until his final submission is accepted.  Thanks for contributing. Mhhutchins 21:38, 28 Jun 2007 (CDT)


 * In the discussion page on verifications there were two reasons proposed for verification. One in the sense I stated above and another in the sense of "I verify your submission". In this sense, I would not verify my own submission, but only those of others. That is what I meant. Animebill 21:49, 28 Jun 2007 (CDT)


 * It's ok to verify publications you have added or updated. Related to this is if you have a publication and it's already been verified by someone else it's also ok to double-check the publication. If you find a discrepancy you would contact the original verifier to sort things out.  One of the items in the feature request queue is to add support for multiple verifications so that if I come along with a publication that matches one you already verified then I could also mark it was verified. It'll increase confidence that the data is accurate and increases the pool of people known to likely have a copy the publication handy in case there's a question about the contents.  12:58, 3 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Turn the Other Chick
Hi! I want to doublecheck some data on the hardcover edition of this title. The paperback publication has cover art credited to Faust (instead of Foust) and the Frankos story is "A Late Symmer Night's Battle" (with a Y). So I wanted to make sure that's how they appear in the publication before making pseudonym / variant title records. --WimLewis 00:45, 29 Oct 2007 (CDT)
 * The spelling of the artist's name on the inside back dust cover flap is "Mitch Foust". The spelling of the story title is indeed "A Late Symmer Night's Battle" - my error. Animebill 10:16, 11 Nov 2007 (CST)
 * I submitted a correction for the story title "A Late Symmer Night's Battle". Animebill 10:33, 11 Nov 2007 (CST)


 * I'd like to ask whether it's Esther "M." Friesner or just Esther Friesner. The more books I acquire, the less the "M." is apparent. (When I can stop being distracted by coverart.) I haven't got them all yet, though. :-/ BLongley 18:04, 11 Nov 2007 (CST)


 * The cover shows "Esther Friesner", the title page shows "Esther M. Friesner". Take your pick. Animebill 12:18, 25 Nov 2007 (CST)


 * We go by Title page, so "Esther M." it is. (It's a bit of a pain as I can find far more COVERS online than Title pages, but that's the way it is.) BLongley 12:46, 25 Nov 2007 (CST)

Damnation Alley
I've updated your verified publication with
 * Changed the date from 1977-00-00 to 1977-11-00
 * Credit Twentieth Century Fox for the front cover
 * Add cover image
 * Expanded note to explain the 193+24 page count. Marc Kupper (talk) 22:36, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Venus, INC.
Added the gutter code P24 to the notes field of which is consistent with a June printing though the publication date is probably August or September. Do you have a source for the listed date?--Bluesman 14:41, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Jurrasic Park
I am adding a month and day to, based on the pub date listed ion the 3rd printing, which seems to have been issued within 10 days of the first. -DES Talk 18:49, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Your verified Robots and Empire
User:Gloinson has added an artist credit and a note to of Robots and Empire. I am approving the addition. -DES Talk 05:01, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * This.  . I just submitted a cover image matching mine to your verification and added the start page number. Image.   . Ring me if you disagree. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:35, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The artwork disappeared from Amazon. I re-added it (which matches my copy in hand of the same printing)Kevin 19:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Footfall- cover image/notes
This. . Added cover image and notes. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:18, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * And then I came along and added a note about the gutter code on page 573 'P050' - Thanks Kevin 04:46, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

So Long and Thanks for All the Fish
Added a cover image, artist and a note to --Bluesman 20:51, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Caliban
Added a cover image and notes to --Bluesman 22:22, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Same with --Bluesman 22:30, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Job: A Comedy of Justice
Added a cover image and notes to. What gutter code does yours have? Should be at the bottom left of page 311.--Bluesman 22:18, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * My copy has a gutter code of "P 24" Animebill 16:24, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

The Classic Philip José Farmer, King of the Beasts
I changed the title of The King of the Beasts in this verified pub to The King of Beasts (without the the). This edition was probably cloned from this one, that has the same mistake. Perhaps you can check again? Thanks Willem H. 14:50, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The King of Beasts is correct. Animebill 16:28, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

2061: Odyssey Three   - Added cover/notation
Afternnon. This. . I added a cover and notation mathcing my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:22, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

2010: Odyssey Two
I added a cover image to your verified publication. I also added the roman numbers to the page count and the author's note to the contents. Thanks. --Rtrace 03:05, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

The Green Mile
I made some additions to. I added an OCLC/worldcat record number. Based on the OCLC record and your notes, i added the roman numbered pages to the page count. Based on your notes, i changed the date from Unknown to 1997-05-00. I noted the price listed in the oCLC record in the notes. -DES Talk 16:24, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Beyond Rejection  - added cover/notation
Morning! This. . I added a cover image,, and notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:46, 17 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I added some notes to the paperback edition. Thanks, Willem H. 15:02, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Added gutter code
I added the gutter code to your verified .Don Erikson 22:33, 29 October 2009 (UTC)


 * My copy has the same gutter code. Animebill 16:35, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

The Ultimax Man
I added to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 19:12, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Added gutter code
I added the gutter code to your verified .Don Erikson 18:10, 14 December 2009 (UTC)


 * My copy has the same gutter code. Animebill 16:36, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Added gutter code
Added gutter code to your verified {http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THCLSSCPHB1984}.Don Erikson 19:54, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Friday - added cover image/artist
Morning! This. . I added a cover image,, and the artist. Artist/cover match Heinlein fan site in Denver. Cover/ISBN match at Amazon.com. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 19:47, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Asimove Nemesis Bantam Oct 1990
I have a slightly different cover for this edition. The cover I have is identical in every way except for "ASIMOV" and "NEMESIS". My cover does not have these black "daggers" in the top of the lettering. Mine could be a mutant copy. Just thought I'd let you know. A picture of the copy I have can be found here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=360158880504 (this picture cannot be used for this database because of the "price tag" on it. This is a better one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=350274204036 --Astromath 23:15, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Turn the Other Chick - Cassandra Clare
I have added the following note to your verified Turn the Other Chick: "According to Amazon's Look Inside, the table of contents and the title page both misspell Cassandra Clare's name "Cassandra Claire"." When you get a chance, could you please check if the name is misspelled in your copy? TIA! Ahasuerus 10:50, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * The name is also misspelled in my copy. Animebill 16:40, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

The Iron Tower
I approved your addition of this new pub, but I think you forgot to zero the publication date. It's a bit improbable that the first and 9th printing were published in the same month. --Willem H. 19:51, 9 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Good point. I have submitted an edit zeroing the pub date. Animebill 23:36, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Added gutter code
I added gutter code to your verified edition of .Don Erikson 22:48, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

ISBNs on SFBC editions
Please see the rules under ISBN/Identification # on this help page concerning the entry of SFBC editions. Some SFBC editions reprint the copyright page of the original trade edition. The ISBNs of the trade edition should not be considered the ISBN of the SFBC edition. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:47, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for making me aware of this important information. Animebill 21:00, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Sword-Breaker
I have your submission on hold as the notes you added indicate you have a third printing of [this] publication, but you are adding the notes to what is likely the first printing, judging by the dates. What should be done is clone the existing record, then add your notes to that record, remember to change the date to 0000-00-00 as without a secondary source [Locus sometimes, though not in this case] the actual printing date of the third printing isn't stated/known. Then verify that record. Some publishers will give a complete printing list on the copyright page, with dates, unfortunately DAW isn't one of them. --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:35, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I have canceled my submission and cloned the listing with the appropriate information. I have also removed my verification. With your help and the help of others I am learning more and more. Thank you. Animebill 23:50, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem! We're all here to help. And never hesitate to ask questions. --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:09, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Line Breaks
I've noticed in the notes that you separate the lines with a double 'return' from the keyboard. Unfortunately, the software does not recognize those returns as line breaks. You have to type them in. Have a look [open to an editable page] at [Sword-Breaker]. I put the breaks in so it will read the way you typed the notes using  before each line tells the software that it is a new line [you can put it at the end of a line, too, accomplishing the same thing]. I had no idea how to do html when I started here and just opened up other people's edits to see how they did things and copied those methods. Unfortunately I don't think we have a Help Page that covers this. FYI! --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:18, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Map in Sword-Dancer
I changed a content item in your verified Sword-Dancer from "Map" to "Sword-Dancer (Map)". This is the tactic folks have adopted so that when you look at a listing of the artist, it makes more sense than just having "Map" listed in their resume. Chavey 10:49, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

DAW Collectors publication series
I and a couple of other editors are trying to formalize the DAW Collectors Books publication series. The consensus is that we should include only those publications that explicitly list their DAW number, either on the cover, the spine, or the copyright page. This applies to, apparently, all first editions and to some reprint editions, but not to most of the reprints. You have verified several DAW reprint editions where the notes list the DAW number. However, I can't tell from the wording in the notes whether this number is listed because (i) it was actually stated on the book; or (ii) the number was inherited from other editions with the DAW number listed. If you have the time, I would appreciate it if you could check these reprints and when they have the number actually listed, update the notes to reflect that. For example, adding "(on cover)" or "(on copyright page)" to a phrase like "DAW Collectors No. 123". The publications you've verified that fall into this scenario are:  Jennifer Roberson's Shapechangers, 11th printing Jennifer Roberson's Sword-Singer, 5th printing  Thanks much, Chavey 18:36, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

"The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon"
I added an Amazon cover to your verified publication. Chavey 18:40, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Explorers of Space
Added cover scan to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12853.SFJuggler 04:51, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Storm of the Century - King
Added cover scan to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?201637.SFJuggler 19:47, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Nemesis
Re: Nemesis

Replacing Amazon image with one scanned from personal collection. Notifying all verifiers.--Astromath 03:53, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Damnation Alley
Re: Damnation Alley

Replacing Amazon image with one of better quality.--Astromath 14:59, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

2010: Odyssey Two
Re: 2010: Odyssey Two Adding notes.--Astromath 19:57, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Beyond Rejection
Added Worldcat link and gutter code note to this. SFJuggler 02:32, 3 June 2013 (UTC)