User talk:Isis

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Cat's Eyes
Hi, and welcome. Thank you for the submission. I accepted it, and a made a few small changes to it to have it conform with our policies and standards (and to fix up a gotcha that catches just about every new contributor):


 * I removed "(Land of Miu, #1)" from the title. Unless the series name is integral to the title, we do not include it in the title, but rather a different way.  See the next item.


 * I changed "Land of Miu" from a publisher series (used for a group of publications having unrelated contents, where another publisher would not necessarily use the same grouping -- e.g., "Reprinted Classics" or "Fantasy Library") to a title series. This bites nearly everyone.  A title series is for a group of related contents (e.g., the Harry Potter series), as you have here.  But providing the title series is done on the title, and when you add a New Publication, the title does not exist until after the publication submission is accepted.  So adding the series information is a second step.  Unfortunately, because the new publication screen has only one "series" slot, it's natural to try to put the title series information there.


 * Cover image links may only be made to sites that have given us permission to make such links (see ISFDB:Image_linking_permissions), because the display of the cover image uses bandwidth from the linked-to site. I replaced http://www.kayellepress.com/pictures/cats-eyes.jpg, where we do not have such permission with http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51fIZidtg6L.jpg, where we do have permission to link.

I also made one organizational change. "CHAPTERBOOK" (chapbook) is treated by our system as a sort of mini collection (in this case, of one work). Even though its title is usually the same as the contained work, we add that contained work of short fiction to its contents. I did that. If you look at 's bibliography, you'll see both the Chapterbook and the Short Fiction (as well as the Land of Miu title series).

Sorry, it's not as complicated as it sounds, and please don't be daunted by these details. Getting the information into the database is the important thing, and moderators are here and happy to help with massaging it into the form the ISFDB wants. Thank you for contributing. --MartyD 12:39, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

100 Stories for Queensland
I hate to ask, after all the effort put into creating this submission, but... are all of these stories speculative fiction? If some of them are, you should only add them to the record with a note about the incompleteness of the record's contents. I've placed it on hold and will wait for your response. Thanks for contributing. Mhhutchins 16:29, 17 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Reply


 * I haven't read the entire book to be able to say exactly how many are speculative fiction, however, I know not all of them are. I should have asked about this first, I wanted to, but didn't know how to go about doing so. It took me ages to work out how to leave this reply.


 * I plan to read the book soon, so when I know which stories are speculative fiction how do I enter them onto the database? Do I go through the same process but only add the spec fic stories? And how do I leave the note about incompleteness? And, for future reference, how would I ask a question BEFORE submitting to the database?


 * Thanks for your time and patience. Isis 23:35, 17 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry about the difficulty in navigating here. It's not very intuitive and, like you, most of us tend to stumble upon the Wiki, but wind up using it for 99% of our communication. You'll find a list of links in the Welcome section above that should be helpful.  To ask questions directly to any of the moderators you can post a message on the Help Desk.
 * I'm going to accept the submission, and ask you, when you get the chance, to remove any stories that you believe have no speculative fiction content (i.e. science fiction, fantasy, horror, slipstream, magic realism, etc.). I'll walk you through that process whenever you do.  You can leave a message on my talk page, or the Help desk link I've given above.  Thanks for contributing and welcome to the ISFDB. Mhhutchins 03:24, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The submission was accepted and here is the publication record. A couple of questions and remarks: Is the price in Australian dollars?  If so, it should be entered as "A$19.99".  Is the book trade sized (more than 7 inches or 18 cm tall)?  If so, the binding field should read as "tp".  If not, it should be entered as "pb". A few other things will also need to be changed.  You notice a white frame around the Amazon cover image. That can be removed by taking out all characters between the last two periods of the URL:  http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61-wjo7NHgL._SL500_AA300_.jpg  should be entered as  http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61-wjo7NHgL.jpg . Also generic titles such as "Introduction" should be disambiguated by adding the title of the book to the title of the essay: "Introduction (100 Stories for Queensland)". Do you want to attempt these changes or should I? Just click on the "Edit This Pub" link and change any applicable fields. Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:33, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you for accepting the submission. I will removing the non-speculative fiction stories as soon as I can...and will no doubt need help at that stage so thank you for offering. I will attempt to make the changes you've mentioned as I enjoy fixing things up as much as creating them, besides it's good to learn new things. I will contact you if I run into any problems. Thanks again. Isis 09:43, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, that was easy! Just so you know, the price is US dollars, I didn't overlook it. Thanks for your help. Isis 09:50, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I accepted that submission --those changes you made look good.  Thanks for contributing.  --MartyD 10:26, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


 * This is a response to the most recent inquiry that you left on my page. If you can list below the page numbers of the stories which are NOT spec-fic, I can remove them from the record. Also, each of these records will have be individually deleted from the database.  Or if you feel up to the task, I can follow you through the steps to clean up the record. Mhhutchins 15:26, 15 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Answered on your talk page. Isis 01:59, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

The Land of Miu
I tried to follow the settings for "Cat's Eyes" but feel I haven't done a complete job, and I'm unsure how to fix it. "The Land of Miu" is the second edition of the first book in the Land of Miu series (published in November 2011) originally published as "Cat's Eyes", published in December 2010. Sorry, I neglected to remove the white section of the image too. I would appreciate some help please. Isis 01:22, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Most of it looks good. Here is the record as accepted.  You'll need to change a couple of things:
 * The URL of the link to the cover image will have to be corrected to remove the white frame: start at the end period before the file extension and remove every character (going backward) until you reach the next period. So  http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61jRg-6uQ1L._SL500_AA300_.jpg  would become  http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61jRg-6uQ1L.jpg 
 * All pubs entered as a CHAPTERBOOK type, must also include a content record. I'm assuming that this work is less than novel length (~40,000 words).  So in a record update, go to the Contents section and click on "Add Title".  In this case, the short fiction record will have the same title as the pub, and then add the Author1 credit (same as the pub's author credit).  Leave the date field blank.


 * A question: I saw it was published in Australia, but the record's price is given in US dollars. (Or should it be A$9.99?) Is there a printed price on the book? If not, be sure to note that in the Note Field. You'll also need to indicate in the Note Field that this is the second printing. Also, according to the OCLC record, the story was first published in 2010.  So we'll need to update the dates of the title records  (not the date of the pub record, which will remain 2011-11-25).  We can add the first edition by cloning this second printing. Mhhutchins 01:36, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Strange. It appears that this has the same ISBN as the OCLC record for Cat's Eyes.  Look at this record. Does OCLC have the wrong title? Mhhutchins 01:39, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the help. The OCLC record for this ISBN will be changed in the near future as it is incorrect, the title should read The Land of Miu. The two books, Cat's Eyes and The Land of Miu show on the author's page, see this profile, but The Land of Miu is not showing as a book in the series. It is book 1 2nd edition, what should I do to fix this please? Isis 02:26, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm a little puzzled. Are you saying that this record is for the second printing of the title, and that it is the first book in a series?  If so, we need to add a record for the first printing.  That can be done by cloning the record, but we first need to update it to add a content title record.  I've described above how to do this.  (Also, there's no need to notify me on my talk page that you've responded here.  I'm automatically notified if this page is modified, as I place watches on all pages that I modify, including other users' talk pages.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:40, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Now I understand. I went to the author's website and saw that the book has been retitled for this new edition.  It's title record should be made into a variant title record of the first edition.  I'll do that for you. Mhhutchins 02:42, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I've added a content record, and made it into a variant of the original title. And then made the chapterbook title record a variant of the original title record. It should be OK now. Mhhutchins 02:45, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Can you confirm that these works are less than 40K? If over that word count, they should be entered as novels, not chapterbooks. Mhhutchins 02:49, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you. This entry was quite confusing, so I'm glad you took control of it because I really didn't know where to start. Yes, the word count is definitely under 40K so 'chapterbook' is correct. Many thanks for your help. Isis 04:31, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Our help is almost notoriously out of date, and we rely on communicative new editors to help us fix it (or the software). Thanks for contributing! BLongley 04:40, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Tomorrow
I made the following changes to this record based on data from the publisher's website.


 * Date of the publication and its contents was changed from 2013-00-00 to 2013-06-22.
 * Price was changed from $16.35 to $17.99.
 * Author William R.D. Wood was changed to William R. D. Wood (Note the space after each initial.)

A question: does author Joshua S Hill not use a period after the initial in his name? How does it appear on the story's title page (not the contents page)?

Also some of these seem to be particularly long to be short stories (a work of fiction which is less than 7500 words). Can you confirm the length designation for the longer ones ("Here I Walk", "The Honimoon Hotel" and "Beyond the Nameless City")?

I've also added the publisher as the source for the data. It is important that all records be sourced unless they have been primary verified (meaning that the data comes from the publication itself). For a forthcoming publication or any book that isn't in your hands, add the source to the Note field.

Thanks for contributing. Mhhutchins 13:34, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

One last thing: I made a copy of the cover image from the artist's website and uploaded it to the ISFDB server, and then linked it to the record. Do you know if the subtitle "Apocalyptic Short Stories" will be given on the book's title page? If so, it should be given that way in the title field of the ISFDB publication record. Thanks again. Mhhutchins 13:41, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot to mention that I also created a record for the ebook edition, based on data from the publisher's website. Mhhutchins 13:46, 10 June 2013 (UTC)