User talk:Viter

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Star Sapphire
I copied the information that you'd added to a Wiki bibliographic comments page, moved them to the note field of the publication record, and then deleted the Wiki comments page. All vital information about the publication should be included in the visible record. The Wiki comments page is for the discussion of bibliographic details that don't become part of database record. Thanks for contributing. Mhhutchins 14:00, 13 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I thought the notes would be visible once I added them, so I guess it'll take me a while to get used to the way of things here. Thanks for that. Cheers! Viter 14:21, 13 October 2012 (UTC)


 * The notes were visible on the comments page, not on the database record, which means the user would have to click the link to read them. The database and the wiki are two different parts of the ISFDB. All important data should be entered into the database's publication record. The wiki is a tool we mainly use for communication (like this user talk page), and for discussion and commenting on the database records.
 * About the URL of the cover image file of this publication: your first attempt was good (the one with the complete URL, including "http"). I had to reject the second attempt because it was incomplete, and was unnecessary because the first submission was accepted. Thanks. Mhhutchins 14:30, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

The Digital Dead
Are both artists credited for the cover art of this record? Or are they credited with different roles? Only the credited artist should be given in the cover art field. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 05:18, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

The Amazon "Look Inside" shows the copyright page which credits Murello as the cover designer, so her credit should be removed from the cover art field and given in the note field. Also, you should use the HMTL line break in order to start a new line in the note field. Otherwise the data is presented in one continuous line. Enter    when you want to start a new line. Mhhutchins 05:23, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Also, remove the "Data from Locus1" note if all of the data fields are from the actual book. Please do a primary verification when you get a chance. There's a link in the Welcome section above that will help you. Mhhutchins 05:25, 16 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Well both are credited on the copyright page. One is cover artist, another is cover designer. but there was no field for cover designer, so I was forced to just enter as another artist. Will change everything now Viter 05:32, 16 October 2012 (UTC) Edited Viter 05:36, 16 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Regardless of where it's credited, the ISFDB standard is to enter the cover artist credit in the cover artist field, and any other roles in the note field. The submissions have been accepted. Also, thanks for doing a primary verification of the record. Mhhutchins 06:09, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Burning Chrome
Hi. I accepted your modifications to and made a couple of small changes. We only use NONFICTION (and its sibling NONGENRE) on book-length works: either a standalone publication or a content entry in an omnibus. For shorter non-fiction, such as introductions, prefaces/forewords, about-the-authors, articles, editorials, etc., we use ESSAY. Also, for generic/"standard" content titles that are likely to be used in other publications for different pieces, we add the title of the publication in parentheses to help disambiguate. Anything like "Foreword", "Introduction", "Preface", "About the Author" is usually a candidate for that treatment. See Help:Screen:EditPub for more details. So I changed "Preface" to "Preface (Burning Chrome)" and made it be ESSAY instead of NONFICTION. If you go to 's page and scroll down to the Essays section, you can see how the disambiguation technique can help. Thanks, and thanks for contributing. --MartyD 10:58, 16 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Got it. The conventions here are not very intuitive, so a new user like myself might make some blunders at the beginnig, sorry for that. Also was wondering, it would be nice to have concise explainations like these in small text next to entry fields like they have on many sites. But that's just an idea, since it's hard to just sit and read pages of instructions and memorising them, or inconvenient to have several tabs with wiki help pages opened while making an entry/edit. But, again - just an idea to make things easier for new or transient users :) . Thanks and Cheers! Viter 11:41, 16 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's all very convoluted. We know that, and moderators are here to help.  Any comments are not meant as criticism, they're just trying to give guidance.  We've all been through the same learning process and know how tricky it can be.  So don't be put off, and ask if you need help or find anything unclear; everyone's friendly.  --MartyD 16:29, 16 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Alright - that's Great! Thank you :) Viter 14:54, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Hidden Empire
I've reverted the publisher of this publication back to just Earthlight, which is the name as given to all other books from this publisher. In the attempt to be consistent within each publisher, there is no true consistency about when both the imprint and its publisher are given in the record. There have been talks to split this field into two separate fields: one for imprint and one for publisher. But until then, we follow the name of the publisher that has the most records. Eventually, we'll have to return to all of them to determine how they'll be handled in the database. Thanks. Mhhutchins 14:51, 18 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, Ok then. Will keep that in mind in the future. Thank You again! :) Viter 15:13, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Year's Best SF 13
I'm not sure what you mean by the note: Mistakenly listed under "Novels"(Page 1) on Locus which your submission wants to add to this record. We use "Locus1" to indicate the online Locus database, but that doesn't include 2008 books yet. Do you mean in a copy of the magazine itself? Thanks for the explanation. Mhhutchins 18:28, 26 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi. Yeah. Basically I checked the 2008 year directory on the locusmag website, and they have it organized in 3 "pages" 1-novels; 2-collections, anthologies, game/movie tie-ins etc; 3-new in paperback/classics reprint. So this book should be on page 2, but instead they mistakenly listed it on page-1. So basically it was easy to miss if someone to check by habit in proper place, so that's why I included the note there, for anyone who wants to confirm my Locus1 verification.
 * Here is the link to Locus online directory listing for 2008, page 1 http://www.locusmag.com/2008/Directory1.html ;  it has a link to actual description: http://www.locusmag.com/2008/Books06a.html#41979
 * Cheers :) Viter 14:58, 27 October 2012 (UTC)


 * The Locus Online website is different from the Locus Index, though both share the same resources. Because Locus Online was not used to create this record, it's not important to note their errors in an ISFDB record. If there is an error in a secondary source such as Locus1 which was used to create an ISFDB record, you can then note that in the record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:12, 27 October 2012 (UTC)


 * One other thing: it's not necessary to note the blank pages of a book unless there's some confusion about how the number in the page count field was derived. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:14, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Year's Best SF
Added scans and notes to diverses issues of this publication series. Hauck 15:23, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

The World Inside by Robert Silverberg
Just a note that I have moved your question about The World Inside by Robert Silverberg to ISFDB:Help desk. Hopefully one of our SFBC experts will respond soon. Ahasuerus 15:24, 31 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for putting that in the right place. CheerZ :) Viter 10:10, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Mass Effect - Retribution
According to the Amazon Look Inside, Del Rey is the imprint but Ballantine is the publisher of this book. If that's how it is credited on the title page of your copy, the record should give the publisher as "Del Rey / Ballantine". Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 05:56, 1 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi. Ok. Let me describe what's stated where and we'll go from there. On the spine (top) - "BALLANTINE BOOKS "DEL REY"[logo]". Unpaged page 3 (Title page) - DEL REY(logo) and underneath "Ballantine Books · New York". And copyright page "A Del Rey Mass Market Original", and lower "Published in the United States by Del Rey, an imprint of the Random HousePublishing Group, a division of Random House, Inc., New York."
 * So I guess it should be "Del Rey / Ballantine" - but wasn't sure at the time. Should I include some notes as well?
 * P.S. Sorry for not following up on all the rules - I'm just afraid I'll forget if I read them en masse beforehand :) (<--- apologetic smiley). CheerZ Viter 10:20, 1 November 2012 (UTC)


 * You'll only learn how publishers are given by entering more records or searching the database's records. The ISFDB standard for publication field entry is usually "IMPRINT / PUBLISHER", but that varies with each publisher. And as I said, you'll only pick that up the longer you hang around. So, yes, the publisher field should be "Del Rey / Ballantine". Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:17, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Various "notes" notes
Hi. I accepted your modifications to and made a couple of minor changes to the notes that I wanted you to be aware of: There was nothing wrong with anything you did. This was all just a little tweaking. --MartyD 15:20, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) I know you were just copying what was there, but I converted the • form of bullets to use an HTML unnumbered list instead:  +  for each entry +   This will result in better, more consistent formatting.  See Help:Using_HTML_in_Note_Fields.
 * 2) I added a link to the LCCN you provided. Making a link is strictly optional, and I only did it because I was editing the note anyway.  See Help:How_to_create_a_link_to_a_US_Library_of_Congress_%28Loc%29_record to learn about how to make such a link.
 * 3) I removed the comment about the month's being from Locus1. If you have a book in hand that provides the same information as originally cited from a secondary source (here, Locus1; you will also see this with entries created from Amazon and other listings), you should delete the secondary source citation.  We only want to preserve the citations when the book does not provide the information.  It is also good to note discrepancies with secondary sources (so, for example, if Locus1 had listed a different month, changing the note from "month from Locus1" to "Locus1 cites June as publication month" or some such would be appropriate and helpful).


 * Cool, OK, Got it. Thanks, MartyD ! and CheerZ (: Viter 16:33, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Radius of Doubt
Replaced the amazon scan for your verified here and added Canadian price. Hauck 11:07, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, OK. I actually had a nice scan of my own - but I guess I forgot to upload it, bummer. Thanks for letting me know and CheerZ Viter 05:20, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Vinge's A Deepness in the Sky
I accepted your submission to add the publication date to this record, but changed "Date from Locus" to "Date from Locus1". This difference is subtle but important. The former is for the hardcopy magazine and requires a date of the issue if it is to be used as a source. The latter makes it clear that the data is from the online database. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:50, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I see, Thanks! Another bit of data receipt - acknowledged ;) Viter 02:54, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Asimov's Today and Tomorrow
If the title of this book (as it appears on the book's title page, not its cover) differs from the record, you should update the record. Mhhutchins 16:22, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep. OK, — done Viter 15:59, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

The Martians
Hello, just added cover artist to this edition of The Martians. Albinoflea 22:37, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi! I actually looked, and couldn't see artist signature anywhere on the covers, and he is not credited anywhere in the book. Locus1 also doesn't list the cover artist, and all the other editions listed here have a different artwork by Don Dixon and Peter Elston. So I think you should put a source for that info in the publication. Thanks Viter 08:04, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, sorry to just be getting to this. The artist's name is printed in small, faint type, rotated vertically, along the right hand edge of the barcode box on the back cover. It blends in pretty well with the artwork itself. I'll add a note to the pub record. Albinoflea 09:49, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

The Memory of Whiteness
Hello, added an Australian price and number line to this edition of The Memory of Whiteness. Albinoflea 00:06, 3 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Yep - OK. Thanks Viter 07:50, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

From Pole to Pole
Hi, just added the anthology The Monster-Maker and Other Science Fiction Classics and I entered a story called "From Pole to Pole: An Account of a Journey Through the Axis of the Earth; Collated from the Diaries of the Late Professor Haffkin and His Niece, Mrs. Arthur Princeps", could you check your copy of this story, which you have listed as merely "From Pole to Pole" in the anthology Science Fiction by the Rivals of H. G. Wells and see if it has the same subtitle, or if it even has a subtitle? MLB 00:54, 10 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi. The subtitle is absent from the contents page, or from the title page of the story (the page right before the story with just title and author) BUT it is present on the first page of the story itself. So I guess I'll leave it as is for my publication (since that's how it's titled on the contents page), and the full title can be as a variant? Not sure Viter 12:38, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Image file size limits
The version of you uploaded was 208 KB, larger than the ISFDB standard of 150 KB. (We only make exceptions for the images of wraparound coverart.) I've resized the image and replaced the file which you uploaded. Please keep the standard in mind when uploading cover image files. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:54, 21 March 2013 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks.
 * PS - I was wondering why I see some covers larger than 150K. Viter 11:26, 25 March 2013 (UTC)


 * If they're not for wraparound cover art, point them out to me and I'll resize them. They may have been entered before the rules became firm, or I may have overlooked them. Mhhutchins 17:15, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

1984
How is the publisher given on the title page of this book? "Dutton / Plume / Harcourt Brace" is not currently in the database. Usually, when an imprint is given, the record's publisher field is given in the format "Imprint / Publisher". Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 22:59, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi. Sorry - I got this straight from the Locus1. But from actual book that I have seen (although another printing) it's only Plume / Harcourt Brace Books. But since I made the entry based on locus1 I didn't wnt to make any assumptions, and copied as is. CheerS :)
 * P.S. And I just noticed I made the same mistake again - it's supposed to be locus1


 * I didn't notice that you sourced Locus1 for the data in the original submission (perhaps you added that later?) I will standardize the publisher name. Locus' method of recording imprints differs from the ISFDB's. (Don't forget to end your postings with four tildes, which dates and signs the message.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:13, 18 June 2013 (UTC)


 * yeah - originally I wrote "info from locus". later I corrected to "locus1" - as per this conversation. Viter 00:11, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Moorcock's The Oak and the Ram
Because this record was primary verified (by an inactive editor), I tentatively accepted the submission to change the publisher. Can you look on the book's title page and tell me how the publisher is credited? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 18:47, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, of course - I put it in the pub notes "Published by Quartet Books Limited 1974" - it's the whole Quartet Books situation with Orbit logo included accidentally. The ISBN prefix of 7043 belongs to Quartet and confirms it finally. You can see other such instances here on isfdb. CheerZ Viter 05:29, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Dating based on Locus Monitor
The parenthetical dates given in these listings are the date of the posting, not the date of publication (that date is given in the body of the listing). I accepted the update to this record, but you should revert the date back to 2010-05-00. Or you can use the Amazon.co.uk listing's date of 2010-05-13, and give it as the source of the date. Mhhutchins
 * Understood - Thanks! Viter 03:51, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

A Short, Sharp Shock
I've added the Blue Mars excerpt that is located in the back of this edition of A Short, Sharp Shock, in part because I've just obtained a later printing that excerpts The Martians instead. I am also able to confirm that this excerpt is identical to the one listed in Destination: Voyager, so I will merge those records after the pub edit is approved.Albinoflea 08:49, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Blue Mars
Updated note to this edition of Blue Mars to include some information from Locus. Albinoflea 06:39, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Notes added to Solar Lottery
Hello, I added some notes and changed the page count to include the note on PKD for this book. Stonecreek 13:39, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

I added the Canadian price to your verified
I added the Canadian price to your verified .Don Erikson 22:33, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

I added the Canadian price to your verified
I added the Canadian price to your verified .Don Erikson 18:42, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

On the Steel Breeze
I've replace the Amazon image for our verified pub with one that has the correct type design. Thanks. PeteYoung 18:18, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Intro to Last and First Men
Please see this discussion. I'll be making that changes discussed, but feel free to let us know if you agree or have a different opinion. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:36, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Aldiss's Helliconia preface/introduction
The 2010 Gollancz Masterworks (II) edition has a Preface by Aldiss that is dated 1996, so I suspect it may be the same essay that appears as an "Introduction" in your verified 1996 Voyager edition. The essay begins "A publisher friend was trying to persuade me…" and ends "…something of a separate entertainment." Is it the same essay? Thanks for looking. PeteYoung 09:21, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi. Yes - this is the same introduction, it starts on page v of my copy, and ends on page ix - signed - BRIAN W. ALDISS 1996 (and followed by acknowledgements) CheerZ Viter 08:15, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

H. G. Wells in Love
I removed Geoffrey P. Wells from the author field of this record, because editors of another person's work can only be acknowledged in Note field. If there is substantial new material written by G. P. Wells alone (perhaps 50%, more or less, of the entire work), then he can be considered a co-author and be credited in the author field. If that's the case, update the record. You should also remove the note that the data came from a secondary source, unless the data in specific fields were not stated in the publication and come from that source. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:51, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Understood, Thank You. And done Viter 08:26, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Writers of the Future VIII
Can you confirm that the piece by Edd Cartier on page 167 of this publication is fiction? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 23:31, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi. Sorry for the delay. The piece on p.167 (Notes To The New Artist) is a non-fiction essay - just what the title says. P.S. ill be uploading some covers for books without any, like this one, within the next few months.Viter 10:59, 29 January 2014 (UTC)


 * You entered it the Cartier piece as "shortstory". Check again and make the correction to "essay" when you get a chance. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:04, 29 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I changed it - but i wasn't the original editor. Thanks Viter 07:12, 30 January 2014 (UTC)


 * That happens occasionally. Even I've overlooked previously entered data when verifying a record. I should have said "you verified it" instead of "you entered it". There's no way of knowing who actually entered the data. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:34, 30 January 2014 (UTC)