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An Alien Land: Kirinyaga series?

Hi, it seems strange that the collection An Alien Land is attached to the Kirinyaga series ( or, but the included short stories are not (not even one). If not linked (I cannot check, I have the Kirinyaga book but not the An Alien Land one), the collection itself should be unattached too, right? Anybody knows or can check? --- Gilr 08:15, 11 January 2020 (EST)

I removed the series from the collection. SFE3 states "Some of the Kirinyaga material also appears in An Alien Land (coll 1997), where other stories based on the African model, like Bully! (1990 chap), are also assembled." So seems some of the individual stories are part of the series (which is we don't have marked currently, but need to know which ones) but the collection as a whole is not. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:37, 12 January 2020 (EST)

Julian Jay Savarin Lemmus triology

Re this series

Various internet sources and sites (twitter, pinterest, 70sscifiart tumblr) all point to the artist for this trilogy being Joe Petagno. These are stylistically like other images he has done for speculative fiction books - BUT - I can't pin down where the sites derived that credit from.

Any thoughts  ? --Mavmaramis 14:48, 10 February 2020 (EST)

The illustration for #1 and #2 is on page 35 of Holdstock's Encyclopedia of Science Fiction. Looks like you own a copy. --Willem 16:21, 10 February 2020 (EST)
Thanks Willem. Couldn't recall where this image was featured so I will check. --Mavmaramis 16:09, 11 February 2020 (EST)

Doug Chiang Robotoa

I picked up a copy of this this book, however mine is this version.

Differences are: 1. Text is entirely in French 2. ISBN is 0-8118-4347-5 3. Has an "Introduction" on page 4 as oposed to a Foreward by Doug Chiang 4. Divided into 11 chapters 4. Nas no number line 5. Cover has "Seuil Chronicle"

According to World CatSeuil Chronicle is the publisher but ISBN search (linked above) gives publisher as "Chronicle Books Llc"

Anyone advise please ?--Mavmaramis 10:43, 14 February 2020 (EST)

What is the publisher in the book besides the cover? From what I see in Noosfere, it looks like a double publisher to me (they have Seuil / Chronicle). BNF confirms the double publisher "[Paris] : Seuil ; [San Francisco] : Chronicle, DL 2003". So either pick one as the publisher and add the other in the notes or make a publisher from the two together (I really do not like this practice...) and when we get the multiple publishers per record, we will fix that and have both... Annie 13:27, 14 February 2020 (EST)
Thank you Annie. I'll "add new chapbook" in that case. --Mavmaramis 21:20, 14 February 2020 (EST)

Worlds of If, A Retrospective Anthology: ISBNs for hardcover & trade paper versions

I've PV'd both versions of this book: The copyright pages are identical, so both have "ISBN: 0-312-94471-3 (paperback), 0-312-94472-1 (hardcover)". I believe that copyright notice is a typo, the ISBNs are switched. Evidence: - the trade paper version has the 94472-1 ISBN on its back cover - the hardcover version has the 94471-3 ISBN on its jacket back AND on jacket front flap - In the HomeBase 3 utility that's used to add books to ABE, the "ISBN Lookup" function finds the hardcover for 94471-3, and the softcover for 94472-1

Worldcat doesn't note the binding for either ISBN. Is there any other source to check? If we agree the copyright pages have it backwards, I'll edit both listings. Thanks. Markwood 06:14, 18 February 2020 (EST)

I would note what you have observed and treat what you see on the covers (note that's two different "sources") as correct and what's on the copyright page as a typo. One other minor clue: the first issued would probably have the lower ISBN, and hc tends to have priority over pb.... FWIW, this site notes the copyright page has the numbers switched. --MartyD 20:19, 19 February 2020 (EST)
I don't know how reliable it is, but this site gives hardcover for the 1-3 ISBN. --MartyD 20:22, 19 February 2020 (EST)
OK. I'll submit the edit today. Thanks for the info & guidance, Marty. Markwood 10:08, 20 February 2020 (EST)

Anthropolgy Through Science Fiction

I discovered the art for the coverer of this book to be the work of M.C. Escher referenced (amongst other wesite sources) ere As I am not cpmpetant with HTML codeing for adding links into the notes I'm merely going to add the cover artist and a note regarding the title of the piece but would be most appreciative if someone better clued-in to the nuances of HTML to add a note to the entry linking to the site above. --Mavmaramis 13:58, 13 April 2020 (EDT)

Done. Tweaked the wording a bit in order to add the link. Feel free to change or let me know what you want it to be if you have a different preference. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:22, 13 April 2020 (EDT)
It's fine. Thank you JLaTondre. --Mavmaramis 16:48, 13 April 2020 (EDT)

William Causett's "Pirates in Space"

We have William Causett as an alternate name for Erroll Collins. However, SFE3 states "Causett has sometimes been identified as a pseudonym of the woman who wrote as Erroll Collins, but stylistic evidence suggests otherwise." Anybody have information to shed on this? Or should we break the alternate name and add that note Causett's summary page. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 11:03, 16 April 2020 (EDT)

I have broken the alternate name & added the SFE3 information to the author's summary page. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:48, 19 April 2020 (EDT)

The Bowman Test

Discovered via messages on Twitter that the cover art for this is Dean Ellis. Identical to this. I've notified the PVs and made the edit. Is linking to the Candy Man version automatic ? --Mavmaramis 10:41, 18 April 2020 (EDT)

Those two image are similar, but not the same. The figure & backgrounds are different. As such, we would not variant them to each other. Is the ID based on other information than they look the same? -- JLaTondre (talk) 11:09, 18 April 2020 (EDT)
I'll make further enquiries on this matter with the chap on Twitter and let you know. --Mavmaramis 04:28, 19 April 2020 (EDT)
Response fron the chap on Twitter thus "The figure is very similar in style. The same form, the same style of leg details, etc. i.e. the same artist. It's clearly Ellis even if they want additional proof." Perhaps a note to state the art is "possibly by Ellis" or something --Mavmaramis 09:22, 19 April 2020 (EDT)
That's a pretty standard human form & there are differences between the two (including in the legs). Doesn't seem definitive enough to credit Ellis based on comparison alone. I have added a note to the pub stating that it could be Ellis based on the similarity. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:43, 19 April 2020 (EDT)
Thank you. All of this was in response to a request from somone on Twitter who isn't a member of ISFDB. I told him that a note might probably be the best outcome to hope for so I appreciate you doing so. --Mavmaramis 22:17, 19 April 2020 (EDT)

Creatures of Light and Darkness

Hi, I always thought that the novel Creatures of Light and Darkness was also released as three parts: Creatures of Light, The Steel General (which contains a note "Note: Separately published section of 'Creatures of Light and Darkness'") and Creatures of Darkness (in If then Galaxy). But the serialization parts are not listed in the novel page. Or is it a fix-up? If so, it may be a note in the novel page. Or I'm totally wrong? Thanks! --Gilr 10:17, 19 April 2020 (EDT)

Analog March 1978

This issue includes a short story "To Keep and Bear Arms". Content page credits Larry Matthews; Story title page credits Jeff Matthews.I'm wondering how Larry Matthews was determined to be the actual name of the author? Shouldn't there be a reference to the discrepancy in notes?

If so, you're right! It seems that this content was entered using just the table of contents. Unfortunately, there's only one of the PVs active right now. Would you like to ask Rkihara about the matter (or shall I do this for you)? And do you have any idea what '(1970s)' might mean? Stonecreek 14:05, 29 April 2020 (EDT)
Not much experience here so not sure of the process. I have scans of the two pages if they're required. So I'm OK with some help from you. No mention of "1970s" in the story or on the content page.
Since Rkihara is only sporadically available, and you seem to own a copy of the issue in question, the easiest way seems to be that you also PV that issue, and I do the necessary changes: we do credit by the shortfiction's title page (or heading), not by the ToC, so the entry seems to have to be changed accordingly. If you'd like to try this on your own, I can give you advice on the way. Stonecreek 00:10, 30 April 2020 (EDT)

Yes, would like to attempt it (PV?). Be aware, I only have limited time today. I'll be off work tomorrow with more time available. Thank You. Looks like I figured out the signature.(Darkstar1951 14:03, 30 April 2020 (EDT))

Great! Sorry, for the cryptic PV: it means to primary verify a publication (using one copy of it that you own or have unlimited access to). This is done using the link displayed on the left side. The next step is to change the entry: delete '(1970s)' and change the author's name.
Then there's a crucial decision to be made: is 'Jeff Matthews' a new author, or is it a pseudonym / alternate name for Larry Matthews? Depending on the decision we have to decide if there's a pseudonym to be established or not. Stonecreek 00:56, 1 May 2020 (EDT)

Jeff Matthews and Larry Matthews are such common names, I imagine trying to determine the correct one to use must be a challenge. I've tried to determine the author with no success. If it helps determine the author, the story makes a clever case for gun control. On another note, the web site for Larry Matthews (US) links to a "Looks Like This Domain Isn't Connected To A Website Yet!" message. Darkstar1951 11:08, 1 May 2020 (EDT)

Sorry, what I meant is if there's some note on the author within the magazine which might help to clarify the identity - if there's nothing it might be better to keep the two apart.
One remark: please add a 'note to the moderator' into the corresponding field on submitting: it helps the person dealing with it to decide, and it is mandatory when updating publications that are primary verified by other persons than yourself. Thanks, Stonecreek 00:01, 2 May 2020 (EDT)

Done Darkstar1951 14:10, 4 May 2020 (EDT)

Analog March 2, 1981

Review by Spider Robinson of 'The Search for Life on Mars' lists its author as "Henry S. F. Cooper", not "Henry S. F. Cooper Jr." as listed in the dB. I'm not sure what, if any, changes should be made. I have a copy of the magazine. Darkstar1951 14:06, 6 May 2020 (EDT)

See this. A note should be added to note that but creating a brand new pseudonym for such cases is not something we usually do.
In addition, this is one of the books that should not have been added at all (it is not eligible) and this review needs to be converted to an essay. We have a discussion going on on the topic deciding what to do with these books but in the meanwhile, feel free to add a note. Annie 14:10, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
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