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Budayeen Nights

I received the following note from Phil Stephensen-Payne. I am unfamiliar with the series so I am passing this on as since you are an active primary verifier for this collection.--Rkihara 17:08, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

"A possible minor correction for you on ISFDb regarding Effinger's Budayeen series -' '
According to Marid Audran is also in "The World as We Know It" while "The Plastic Pasha" isn't even a Budayeen story.
Actually the narrator is never identified.
I don't have the book myself so can't check, but the review seems pretty conclusive."
The story in question IS related to the character Phil mentions [kid brother of ...] but it's only a five-page fragment, left when Effinger passed, so not a fully developed story. It is in the same universe/place/time, if it's missing some specific thing to make it a 'Budayeen' story, I don't know what it is. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:28, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Analog Science Fiction/Science Fact, July 1972

Added letters from Richard Lippa and Arne C. Eastman to your verified pub.--Rkihara 18:06, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Analog Science Fiction/Science Fact, October 1972

Added letters from Leigh Couch, Buzz Dixon and Erwin S. Strauss to your verified pub.--Rkihara 19:40, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Analog Science Fiction/Science Fact, November 1972

Added letters from Mike Shupp, David King, Jack Cordes and Robert Clark to your verified pub.--Rkihara 20:36, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

While I appreciate the notice[s], the changes all show up in the new "Changes to my Verified Pubs" list, so for minor additions like these letters, that's sufficient for me. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:09, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
Okay. Some verifiers are not so relaxed.--Rkihara 23:32, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Corrections in Drowned Worlds

I have changed the length of several stories in your verified publication Drowned Worlds in accordance with the information given by the editor here --Vasha 15:26, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

And I rejected three of them, with lengths of 7800+ and 8000+ [twice] they are not short stories. These edits should have been brought to at least two of the PVs before, not after, submission. Editors [authors too] have been tap-dancing around word counts for decades, especially when awards may be up for gathering ... IE: don't count everything you find online as 'gold'. --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:08, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Dimension of Miracles cover artist found

Hello, Bill! I added Josh Kirby to this by the link someone supplied for a german use of the art (a variant title). Stonecreek 18:56, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, though I would never have guessed that one as a Kirby painting! --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:03, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

The Silent Warrior

I'd like to replace your cover to The Silent Warrior with my more complete cover image. Do you mind? MLB 02:43, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

That is one crappy image. The purpose of images is to identify the edition in the record. That identity is much more than just the artwork: title/author; catalog #/ISBN; price; artist's signature at times [publisher is nice but what's on the title page isn't always the same as the cover/spine]. The 'replacement' is grainy, and all the numbers/price are unreadable. I don't see anything positive in replacing a sharp clean image with it. --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:38, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Cover artist in Dream Thief

Hello, Do you think that the cover artist in your verified Dream Thief is the same as this guy Jim Connelly? Annie 01:11, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

From a sample of two?? Not a clue. Perhaps someone with the magazine can see something similar in styles, but conclusions from an almost zero sample base would be a stretch. Then again maybe the artist[s] have websites ..... --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:23, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
One of them is Jim Connelly, the other one is Jim Connelly Studio - so I did wonder if it is not the same person (once as a studio, once just the name). The site for the later is here. The problem is the one that is credited to the Studio do not match what the site is showing. And the Studio seems to be just him. Thus the question. :) Annie 03:29, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
No match indeed. Completely different universe! Maybe he's a closet-techie????  ;-)) --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:24, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

April 1975 Galaxy

I'm changing the author credit of this essay in the April 1975 issue of Galaxy from "Frederik Pohl" to "Fred Pohl" which is how it appears in the issue. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:57, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

If, April 1966

Hello Bill, can you have a look at this submission that I've put on hold for you to ponder. Thanks. Hauck 07:57, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Hervé, you can kick or accept the edit as it changed nothing anyway. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:23, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
An addition from the same contributor : "Sorry, I couldn't figure out how to reply directly to Bluesman. I'd forgotten how long ago it was that I saw Nodel, I've been to so many conventions, book festivals and bookstore signings that exactly when I saw someone is sometimes hard to remember. However, I did make a notation in my spreadsheet of magazine details after seeing him that that art wasn't his so that if I ever saw him again, I wouldn't make a fool of myself by taking it back to him a second time. Morrow also usually put his name in artwork, I was wondering if it might be Jack Gaughan who didn't always.". Hauck 06:49, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

August 1975 Galaxy

I'm changing the author credit of this essay in the August 1975 issue of Galaxy from "J. E. Pournelle, Ph.D." to "Jerry Pournelle, Ph.D." which is how it appears on the title page. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 16:33, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

January 1982 Asimov's

I'm making two corrections to the record for the January 18, 1982 issue of Asimov's. Sharon N. Farber's credit for the story "Halfway" should be as "Sharon Farber". Also we had the story "Bleeding Turnips" on page 104 when it is actually on page 103. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 22:15, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

N/A Marked Primary Verifications

In the following pubs, you have marked a primary verification slot as N/A:

Whew!!! It would have been quicker just to fix them than create the list!! ;-))) Since N/A is not a verification, anyone can fix one; but then I wouldn't have had the indescribable joy of cleaning up .... --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:46, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

For some of them, it looks like you may have been marking the secondary references as N/A and hit the wrong row (for example, when the transient is marked N/A and you have another primary verification). But in others, you may have meant to click the verified instead? Anyway, if you wouldn't mind updating these, it would be appreciated. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 02:49, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

October 1993 Asimov's

I'm correcting the page number of the Ron Chironna illustration on page 8 of the October 1993 issue of Asimov's. We had it on page 10. I've also added the additional obituaries of Searles. We only had the one by Sheila Williams. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:19, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

February 1994 Asimov's

I've corrected the page numbers the illustrated stories in the February 1994 issue of Asimov's. In all cases except the first story, we incorrectly had had the story starting on the page where the text begins as opposed to the title page which also has the illustration. The first story was already listed on the correct page. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:54, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

A primary source check

I have a question about contents in Omni, December 1979 and you're listed as the Primary Verifier. The question is posted on the help desk. Roughly, I think the pictures I want are in the magazine, within the essay "The Seven Wonders of the Universe", and I was wondering if you could tell me who the artists were. The pictures are:

Thanks for any help you can give, KarenHunt 15:03, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

There is a tongue-in-cheek 'credit' to Dr. Jason D'Argonaut for the supposed photographs. Philip Dunn is credited with the text only. --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:02, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
Hmmm So should I put Jason D'Argonaut as artists? Not quite sure about this one... KarenHunt 02:07, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
Absolutely not. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:38, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
I ended up deciding to put an annotation in the comments sections for the books so someone who wanted to research it farther would at least know to go to the essay in Omni. KarenHunt 23:07, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Starlight: The Great Short Fiction of Alfred Bester

I noticed a discrepancy in Starlight: The Great Short Fiction of Alfred Bester. The Catalog ID is listed as "#3140" but in the notes it's listed as "3148". Any idea which is correct? SFJuggler 15:23, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

The note was a typo. Fixed. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:52, 25 February 2017 (UTC)


If you don't object, I intend to add content to your primary verified pub. I'm just going to include the artworks used as COVERART, pp.67-141, about half the book. Bob 22:16, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

I ended up importing the contents from the 1989 edition, and also added some notes. Bob 19:17, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Changed Primary Verifications

Hi, could you please leave a message on my talk page as to what exactly the change was that you applied to my primary verifications? I'm often at a total loss as to what you changed into what, and NO, I can not see that afterwards. Try searching the edits and look for yourself.--Dirk P Broer 11:18, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

The only change was to the page count, there are xvii Roman numerated pages, not xviii. There were NO notes at all. --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:06, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Star Trek: The Motion Picture

Your verified Star Trek: The Motion Picture lists it as the first hardcover. But there is an earlier trade hardcover (published on December 1, 1979 according to Catalog of Copyright entry TX0000403775) that you've also done some work on. Just a heads-up.SFJuggler 16:52, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Other Days, Other Eyes

Shouldn't the Publication Price for Other Days, Other Eyes be £0.35 and not £0.30? The Notes has a UK price of 35p which matches my copy. --AndyjMo 11:48, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Indeed, and now it does! :-) --~ Bill, Bluesman 15:53, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Question on "The Islar: A Narrative of Lang III", by Mark Saxton

You verified this book, which includes a map drawn by "Samuel H. Bryant". The notes then say that the copyright page spells his name incorrectly as "Samuel S. Bryant", and then says that the map is initialed "SMB". I can understand the book editors getting his initials wrong, but it seems unlikely that the artist would do so himself (unless deliberate). Can you verify that he used "SMB", and that this isn't a typo? I have another map drawn by someone who only identifies themselves as "S•H•B", with dots between the initials, and if this map was similarly signed, then I'd know who my mapmaker was. Chavey 07:03, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Double typo [editing with both eyes closed again]. Corrected. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:41, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Introduction to Jupiter Magnified

Clearly the varianting here should be the other way round. I'll make the change if you and Hervé are in agreement as it affects the display in both our verified pubs. Thanks. PeteYoung 20:02, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, no problem, though I'm curious how the later title got the year 2002 when the book by PS didn't come out until 2003?? --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:42, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
Maybe it was incorrectly dated 2002 in a 'First appeared in..." list in the unverified pub? (he says, whistling in the dark). Anyway, done. PeteYoung 20:29, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

My Heart is Either Broken

Hello Bill. I have assumed that "My Heart is Ether Broken" was a typo for "My Heart is Either Broken" in your verified, and corrected the spelling of the title. If it wasn't, I'll fix it up as it was before. Thanks, Linguist 13:04, 14 March 2017 (UTC).

The Eleventh Commandment

Re this exchange : do you confirm the 192 page count of your verified ? Thanks, Linguist 14:31, 14 March 2017 (UTC).

Amended. I'll blame Kirk as I probably cloned the record he verified ....... ;-)) --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:55, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
I had a look this morning, and the page count is still 192; I'll change it to 186 (I suppose this is what you wanted to do). Linguist 09:36, 15 March 2017 (UTC).

Changed note field

Hello Bill. Can't figure out what you changed in the note fields of some of our PVs (five of them), they look just the same. Can you enlighten me ? Thanks, Linguist 20:19, 14 March 2017 (UTC).

They are the same. The original notes were created when a carriage break from a keyboard did not make a new line in the displayed version of the notes. It would be there in the editable page only. Then Ahasuerus did a software change which recognized the carriage return as a break [ = <br>]. Thus existing html breaks became redundant in most cases. I'm not about to go back on maybe 100,000 records plus to take them out, but when records show up in the new Changes to Primary ... I go back and remove the <br>s. Thus they look the same because they are, just light a few characters. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:55, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
Ah ! Thanks for the explanantion. This is good to know, and I'll try and remove some as I go along. Linguist 09:32, 15 March 2017 (UTC).

Analog Science Fiction and Fact, June 1998

A small change in your verified Analog Science Fiction and Fact, June 1998 - during some other editing jobs (see here, a second EDITOR had been added. A change is submitted to clear it from the record. Annie 19:24, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Omni, July 1991

In this issue, you have "Stigmata" by Robert Frazier down as a story -- is that correct? In his collection Visions of the Mutant Rain Forest, Frazier has a poem with the same title (it begins, "And everywhere I look upon the Sphinx's skin...") --Vasha 02:24, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

I've found a scan of the Omni page here, so you don't need to dig out the magazine! It is indeed the same poem. --Vasha 05:29, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Changes to John G. Hemry/Jack Campbell pubs

I am changing John G. Hemry's canonical name to Jack Campbell; this is affecting some issues of Analog that you verified. --Vasha 18:03, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Falkenberg's Legion

Hello Bill. I have on hold a submission by Dirk that intends to make Falkenberg's Legion a variant of Future History. Alas the first is given as a NOVEL (albeit fixed-up) and the second as an OMNIBUS. In order to reconcile all this, do you think that Falkenberg's Legion might be transformed into an OMNIBUS and the contents separately added? Thanks. Hauck 09:31, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Falkenberg's Legion vs Future History

Hi, As you are its second active verifier, I have a perhaps unusual request. I want to make Falkenberg's Legion -now registered as a novel- a variant title of the Omnibus Future History. Both books have on their copyright page Portions of this book were previously published as The Mercenary and West of Honor. Reginald3 considers the 1980 title a retitling of the later 1990 title (sic), SFE3 claims both are omnibuses, but mentions that Falkenberg's Legion contains added material. If that is the case, what is the added material? If it is two maps and a chronology they are in Future History too. Could you please take a look how this novel presents itself on the copyright page?--Dirk P Broer 10:22, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

There is no TOC; only one © date of 1990.
Meanwhile I've found this here, seemingly unaware of the existence of Future History:
Falkenberg's Legion (1990) Jerry Pournelle. Only one version under this title (Baen Books): 432 pages.
Prologue (pp. 1-12). Originally appeared as The Mercenary, prologue.
Part One, Ch. 1-2 (pp. 15-27): new.
Part One, Ch. 3 (pp. 28-37). Originally appeared as West of Honor, prologue.
Not quite right, there is a new section followed by the original Prologue from Mercenary

Part One, Ch. 4-19 (pp. 38-202). Originally appeared as West of Honor, Ch. 1-16. (This may have appeared in magazine form in 1976?)
There appears to be substantial cuts made as the Baen version is a different font with fewer words/line and fewer lines/page yet the original version is 170 pages and the Baen one only 164 pages [about 10% shorter]
Part Two, Prologue (pp. 205-209): new.
It's untitled but is new.
Part Two, Ch. 1-4 (pp. 210-243). Originally appeared as "Peace With Honor", Analog 1971. Next appeared as The Mercenary, Ch. 1-4.
Part Two, Ch. 5-11 (pp. 244-334). Originally appeared as "The Mercenary", Analog 1972. Next appeared as The Mercenary, Ch. 5-11.
Part Two, Ch. 12-22 (pp. 335-432). Originally appeared as "Sword and Sceptre", Analog 1973. Next appeared as The Mercenary, Ch. 12-22.
This section may not have been shortened
Future History also has a prologue before part one (The Mercenary) on pages 15-24, and a prologue before part two (West of Honor) on pages 227-235.--Dirk P Broer 16:11, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
Actually both Prologues are in the two parts, not before them. Same as the novels.
To make it even more complicated Falkenberg's Legions (1990) and Falkenberg's Legion (1990) are exactly the same and both variant titles of the OMNIBUS Future History (1980), containing The Mercenary and West of Honor.--Dirk P Broer 23:57, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
Not sure why that should 'complicate' anything. The SFBC edition reprints the Baen book [without any mention of the previous publishing history of its parts], though the addition of the 's' to Legion looks to be a misprint as the header title on every page lacks it. Definitely a mess. Both of the original Prologues are in-universe, not separate contents, which would have made it easier to split things apart. Pournelle seems to have wanted this to be a novel with the single © and the shuffling/adding of materials. Even the titles of the two 'Parts' have been changed with Part One now called "The Codominium Years" though Part Two merely drops the "The" from "The Mercenary". At the very least IF the book becomes an omnibus [and there doesn't seem to be any other way of dealing with this] then the two contents have to be variants of the original novels; and there's no way to enter start pages as the one and only remaining Prologue precedes both Parts/novels and since it's in-universe, doesn't get a separate content listing. A. E. van Vogt would have been proud of this one ..... Mr. Fix-up! --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:51, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

I replaced the cover artist George (I) ...

... with George Jones for The Eureka Years, since the art's style & his signature match with other pieces (I also have a copy of the book). Cheers, Christian Stonecreek 13:12, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Help with sorting out Gollancz

I hope you may be able to contribute to this discussion where I'm trying to figure out what the DB designations for the various incarnations of (Victor) Gollancz are.

On a related matter, you have the publisher of your verified 1999 edition of Cavalcade recorded as "Millennium / Gollancz". I'm confused by this because according to Wikipedia, in 1999 Millennium and Gollancz were two separate imprints of Orion. Can you clarify? There are plenty of other books from the years 2000 & 2001 with this combination of imprints. I'm hoping that you may be able to find out what the situation is since Wikipedia is unclear. --Vasha 22:20, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

"an imprint of Victor Gollancz" is on the copyright page. --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:41, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
OK Thanks! So please change the publisher credit to "Millennium / Victor Gollancz" like all the other records use. Do you have any easily findable Gollancz books from 1989-1998 (when the formerly independent Victor Gollancz Ltd. was sold and passed from hand to hand) and from 1999 onward (when, according to WKP, it became an imprint of Orion) to check how exactly they are credited? --Vasha 22:47, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
"Easily findable" ..... in 22,000 volumes???? You're a sick puppy. Oh, and I don't consider Wikipedia any better than a blog, no matter what its intentions. --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:52, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
Me neither, but it's the only information I found. Will you be the hero who digs through books to put the better information out there...? :) --Vasha 00:13, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
While the hero sometimes gets the girl, he's always the one that gets shot/mauled/poisoned and otherwise laid waste to. 22,000 volumes ...............! So, with two torn rotator cuffs .... not in this life-time. And 'better information' here, especially when it comes to publishers, has so far led to nothing but random merges, standardization/"unity" [what a euphemism] for its own sake. And from what I've seen, you're a "Standardization" editor. Today I changed back three publisher names for Primary Verified records for editions you do NOT have copies of, which were changed simply because "X # of records don't have the publisher, just the imprint". You have what is becoming a very bad habit of changing data in verified records without a copy in hand and without checking with the verifier[s]. All because you find something online. Not impressed ..... --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:39, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Man, I am sorry about that. I know I work too fast. OK, I promise to look more carefully for verifications in the future.

Contents for God Bless You, Dr. Kevorkian & Bagombo Snuff Box as non-genre

Hi, Bill! I have added the contents for a later edition. If the titles do fit your first edition they could be imported. Regards, Christian Stonecreek 05:03, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Another Vonnegut thing: I think most of his shortfiction is nongenre, it's quite certainly true for the majority of pieces in Bagombo Snuff Box. Would it be okay to change them accordingly? Alas, I'm reading through the german edition, which omits a few pieces, so that The Package, Custom-Made Bride, The Powder-Blue Dragon, Der Arme Dolmetscher, Runaways & Lovers Anonymous are unknown to me and possible nongenre candidates. Do you have the opportunity to reach your copy? Christian Stonecreek 15:04, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

After asking Pete, I have begun to change the reachable items to non-genre. Christian Stonecreek 07:19, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
My brother 'borrowed' my copy of "God Bless You ..." about four years ago ... MIA since, but those I would consider fiction as all are 'interviews' with the dead ... I don't remember "Bogombo ..." that well, if you've read it recently then change what you will. --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:40, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
Well, it's got more to do with the wording, as the emphasized and separated headings are also the beginnings of the shortfictions. But as the publisher is the same Seven Stories Press I guess it's somewhat likely that they stayed with the text format. I'll import the shortfictions.
And there's yet another Vonnegut thing: Given the very short text, shouldn't Between Time and Timbuktu or Prometheus-5 be rather a CHAPBOOK? Thanks, Christian Stonecreek 18:46, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
I have an as-yet-unverified copy of the Panther edition, and my recollection of it says yes, a vote for Chapbook. PeteYoung 20:04, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Chapbook is fine. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:59, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Okay, changed. Christian Stonecreek 17:46, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

King Kobold

Can you check the Other Prices on the back cover of King Kobold. My copy has Australia $1.80, New Zealand $1.80. If your version does have Australia $1.50 then I will create another version for my copy. --AndyjMo 14:55, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Just a little wear on the numbers made the 8 seem a 5. Fixed. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:00, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. --AndyjMo 08:25, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Pagination on 1st ed. of "Kindred", by Octavia Butler

You and/or Marc Kupper included a note on the Doubleday 1st ed. of "Kindred" saying: "Note to the primary/transient verifier of this publication. Please see the comments about the pagination for the Beacon Press 5th and 11th printing. Of interest is if the pagination of the Doubleday edition is such that the Prologue is on page 9." I finally got a 1st/1st of this book and have included details of the initial pagination in the pub notes for that edition. I am hopeful that my notes resolve your questions. Chavey 09:53, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Definitely Mark. --~ Bill, Bluesman 15:22, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

The New Hugo Winners, Volume II

Hello, you are a primary verifier for The New Hugo Winners, Volume II, which has the date 1992-01-00. The introduction has the date 1991-01-00. Perhaps a typo? Could you please check? Thanks, Darkday 12:01, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

No typo, the Baen edition came out in 1991, the SFBC in 1992. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:11, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
Hmm, but the record for the Baen edition says 1992. Darkday 22:43, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
Must be the snow blindness!! The © is 1991 ... corrected the date. --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:49, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

More Stories from the Hugo Winners, Volume II

This publication of More Stories from the Hugo Winners, Volume II, verified by you, is apparently a later printing of this publication. In the original publication, the introduction is called A Few More Words-Unexpectedly, but in the later one it's A Few Words-Unexpectedly (i.e., the word more is missing). Could you please check if the title in your publication is correct? Thanks, Darkday 12:33, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

It's there both ways, with 'More' on the title page, without in the TOC. Amended! --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:12, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! Darkday 22:43, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Susanne Weyn -> Suzanne Weyn

Hi, after checking your instances for Susanne Weyn in the Starlog magazines 44 and 53 on and I've changed them both to Suzanne Weyn.--Dirk P Broer 11:59, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

We're Civilized

Hello, just to be sure (as you own two different publications including this title), can you confirm that this story is indeed titled We're Civilized! as is the case here. Thanks. Hauck 19:49, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Yep, exclamation mark and all, both volumes. The only tiny difference is in the copyright credits for the UK paperback the '!' is dropped, but it's there in TOC and Title page. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:57, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll approve the submission. Hauck 20:11, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Arian Andrews, Sr.

I am changing the canonical name of Arlan Andrews Sr. And this is going to affect some of your verified publications such as issues of Analog. Vasha 15:23, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

The Door Into Summer

The cover artist of this is Gino d'Achille, as can be seen on this archive of his web page (see "Untitled SF 1"). Sadly, after d'Achille's death, most of his web page has disappeared too. I'm happy this page was saved on, but if I hadn't known it existed I would never have found it there. Horzel 09:03, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:26, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Devil World

Cover art for the 1st edition of this is by Enric, his signature can be seen on the original art here. (Different Enric art than on the Bantam 1985 edition). Horzel 08:59, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Ahasuerus got this one. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:24, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Of All Possible Worlds

The cover art for this is the same as the cover art for Las esferas de Rapa-Nui, which is credited to Enrique Torres (Enric). Horzel 09:14, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:23, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

The Dying Earth

In my copy of The Dying Earth the novelette on page 80 is only titled Ulan Dhor and not Ulan Dhor Ends a Dream. --AndyjMo 18:00, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Good catch, all cleaned up. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:07, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
During the time needed to retrieve my copy, you beat me to it. Hauck 18:09, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
Dueling Mods??¿¿?? ;-)) --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:13, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
Yep (20410 vs. 20407 ^_^).Hauck 18:15, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
Nah, that's just two old collectors who don't know when to stop ...... lol --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:20, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

The Barbie Murders

In my copy of The Barbie Murders the novella Equinoctial starts on Page 82 and not 83 (Contents also gives 82 as the page number). --AndyjMo 16:44, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Indeed. Corrected. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:05, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

HTML and variants

Hello Bill, two things about your Star Wars Insider rampage: remember that HTML is not allowed in titles (e.g. to create italics) and that titles by pseudonyms should be varianted to the canonical (like here). Thanks. Hauck 14:17, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Forgot about the title thing. Still have about 10 left to enter, then will do all the variants (have to create some, too...), oh, how I hate magazines ..... --~ Bill, Bluesman 15:15, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
We love to suffer... Hauck 15:16, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Field of Dishonor

Replaced cover art of Field of Dishonor with a scan of my copy. As the excerpt at the end of the book has no page numbers shouldn't the Page Count be 367+[5] and the page number of the Excerpt start at [368]?. --AndyjMo 20:08, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

No longer have the book, so can't check. --~ Bill, Bluesman 15:00, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

"The Klingon Art of War", by Keith R. A. DeCandido

I used the WorldCat record to add the contents to your verified publication. Of course WorldCat doesn't record the page numbers, and I leave those to you if you wish to fill them in. Chavey 07:45, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

"The 1,000 Year Plan", by Isaac Asimov

This verified publication of yours claims to be a Collection, but your notes on it sound like it's a Novel. (This derived from an Ace Double, but you comment that the other story is not included.) Chavey 07:49, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Mis-read. '1,000 ...' is a collection. The Anderson 'novel' has nothing to do with it. Amended the notes slightly. --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:37, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Contents added to various publications

Using the contents listed in WorldCat, I added contents to the following publications verified by you, which were showing up on a CleanUp report: The Bounty Hunter Code, Wild Ducks Flying Backwards: The Short Writings of Tom Robbins, The Lays of Beleriand, The Shaping of Middle-Earth, and The Return of the Shadow. It looks like you then immediately removed the contents from several of these. Chavey 03:22, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

There are no such contents for the Bounty Hunter. The Tolkiens were adjusted, one removed because the number of content entries [all you entered were chapter headings] it would require to do these is just ridiculous, and they wouldn't match what you put in [all of the Tolkien set is a dog's breakfast and shouldn't be touched without book-in-hand]. The Robbins was corrected, paginated. It would have been far less labor-intensive if you had just pointed to the OCLC record and asked. How current does an editor/moderator have to be for you to ask before altering records? --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:36, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
I've been going through that particular cleanup report and importing contents when WorldCat knows about them. I have a macro that does essentially all of the work of the import, so in most cases the PV has appreciated the fact that I saved them a bunch of work. I apologize that in your case WorldCat erred, and that I created additional work for you. Chavey 05:54, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Phase Space

The first hardcover and paperback editions have the exact same page count and story listings except "Grey Earth" (on page 220 of the paperback) is missing from the hardcover. (It's also missing from the "date unknown" hardcover. Perhaps from cloning the original hc?) Is this intentional?

Just missed. There now.

Also just noticed that you're the second PV on (Manifold: )Origin. Shouldn't the US edition have the variant title "Manifold: " prepended to "Origin" like the earlier volumes in the Manifold series from Del Rey have and as the cover indicates? (Though, granted, I don't know what the title page says.) -J-Sun 19:40, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Manifold is the series and as such doesn't really form part of the title. It was decided several years ago to drop the series name from titles in general as some can get ridiculously long and they were deemed to be redundant, though they still crop up now and again [not every record gets revisited]. if you'll look at the Title level for any of the editions in the Manifold series, the series name is not repeated as part of any of the individual titles. There seem to be a few printings whose records have it, though they don't need to. --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:57, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

A batch of nongenre stories - if you disagree please comment

Currently there are numerous non-genre horror stories that are in the database because it's natural to just enter a book of horror or "tales of terror" without figuring out which stories are supernatural. I don't intend to systematically hunt for them, but when I spot one, I like to mark it nongenre. (In the case of classic stories, marking is better than removing it from the database because it'll just get re-added with some new anthology.) At the moment, I've spotted the following stories that I think need such a change, and I'm consulting people who have them in their verified pubs.

Firstly, there's Great Tales of Terror and the Supernatural (verified copies: (1), (2), (3), (4), (5), (6), (7)), which contains "A Terribly Strange Bed," "The Three Strangers," "The Most Dangerous Game," "Leiningen Versus the Ants," "A Rose for Emily," "Taboo," and undoubtedly other non-supernatural ones that I'm not noticing at the moment. Here are verified publications for those and some other stories:

Are there any of those stories you think ARE genre? Vasha 15:17, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

ADDENDUM: Discussion moved to the Community Portal. --Vasha 01:03, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Uncredited artist of the H. G. Wells

Hi, your uncredited artist of H. G. Wells in H. G. Wells (Collins Classics) that signs as S. van Abbe.. is in fact Salomon van Abbé, also known as Solomon van Abbe.--Dirk P Broer 22:15, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Excellent! Reminds me I haven't scanned those covers and can add the credit as I go. Thanks! --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:40, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
After entering the first one, the artist shows up as a new one for us. Since you found sources, can you fill in the details? --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:29, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Particle Theory

Please see User talk:Kraang#Particle Theory as I made a change to the title of one of the stories in your PV of Particle Theory plus updated the notes. --Marc Kupper|talk 17:46, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Famous Tales of Mystery and Horror

I see you did the secondary verification on Famous Tales of Mystery and Horror. Were there pub notes at the time? I'd added that pub-record today with notes. I was doing some cleanup prior to shutting down for the night and was surprised to see the notes section was blank. It's possible I did that as ISFDB was having an issue at the time I wanted to update the note to add a line about that the cover art was not credited. I've restored the notes from my scratchpad. --Marc Kupper|talk 07:32, 14 June 2017 (UTC) is where you blanked out the notes while also adding the external ID. Do you recall why? --Marc Kupper|talk 16:18, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

The Time Machine: An Invention

I was wondering if there was a coding bug and so checked recent submissions for ones that blanked the notes. I did not see evidence of a bug but spotted this submission where you deleted the notes from the title record for The Time Machine: An Invention. As the note seemed like a useful item I've added it back though in the synopsis field. --Marc Kupper|talk 16:43, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Karel Čapek's R.U.R.

I'm in the process of correcting Karel Čapek's last name from Capek to Čapek. In nearly all cases we had his name incorrectly listed without the hachek over the C. I've gone ahead and changed the title record for the play R. U. R. which is included in your verified copy of Science Fact/Fiction and Great Tales of Science Fiction. Could you check your copies to see if how his name appears in the books. If it is Čapek, then nothing further needs to be done. Otherwise, we need to swap the title in your book for this one. This also assumes that the translations in your copies are by Paul Selver alone. There is a different translation by Selver and Nigel Playfair as by Karel Čapek. If your copies have some other combination of translator, name and title, we may need to add a new title record. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:58, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

First book is as shown with the Č, second book actually has Câpek but changing it didn't take, so now it reads just Capek and the translation is credited to Selver only, first one to Selver and Playfair. --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:11, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Double Star

Cover artist for this is indeed Vincent Di Fate, as his signature can be seen on the cover scan of this edition. Thanks. Horzel 05:00, 22 June 2017 (EDT)

Good spot! Record updated. --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:30, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

Perry Rhodan #80: The Columbus Affair

Hello Bill,

Can you check your verified Perry Rhodan #80: The Columbus Affair for the exact spelling of the name of the James E. Suiter essay? He ended up with two of them that sound awfully close so I want to make sure we do not have one of them misspelled. Can you please post in here if you find that it is misspelled? If they end up really being different, I will add notes to that effect. Thanks! Annie 15:28, 22 June 2017 (EDT)

Well - that was fast. Thanks! If you do mind approving the merge as well, that will be very useful :) Annie 15:40, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
It was in a forward box, on the floor; if you'd asked me for the magazine it might be two days to dig it out. Some days you get lucky, some .......  :-) --~ Bill, Bluesman 15:43, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
It is either in the first box you check or the last one - always works like that. Or maybe it is just me and my (non)organization of boxes... These two essays were just too close in names (and using uncommon words) not to make me curious if we have a misspelling. Thanks for checking! Annie 16:03, 22 June 2017 (EDT)

Beren and Lúthien

Hi Bill,

Your verified Beren and Lúthien is very lonely on the HarperCollins Publishers page. All of the other publications are having a party on the HarperCollins (UK) page. Do you think it wants to join them? If you would rather keep it in the new publisher, this is fine by me but this is one of our country-based split publishers so it will never match exactly as in the book... Annie 19:07, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

Hi, Annie! How's your first day wielding the big stick going??¿¿?? Publishers ... we have the unfortunate circumstance here that a huge amount of data was copied directly from the Locus1 database. That is an Index, with no real pretense at being a bibliographic site. In other words, they standardized absolutely EVERYTHING. From email conversations with Bill Contento and Phil Stevenson-Payne, it came up that the database space for the original iteration of Locus was very limited, which made the standardization almost a necessity. Once space was more readily available [cyberspace is infinite in its own way] it was just easier to continue the way it started, than fix things. We've been correcting data from Locus in our records for years, and will no doubt continue to do so [collections and anthologies come to mind as Locus always listed the contents as how the story was originally published, NOT how it appeared in the edition at hand]. Anyway, a huge portion of our publisher names are relics of that original usage of their data. I'm a firm believer in using what's on the title page. In this case, and I'm sure MANY others, the publisher is quite clearly HarperCollinsPublishers, with the italics. Same on the copyright page. There are mods/eds who expound 'consistency', which is fine for an Index. As a bibliographic site [last time I checked] it should be up to us to record what's there. We have the tools to link all the data, though with publishers we don't have much of a plan. Every time we do a merge just for its own sake we lose data for no other reason than - I believe Darrah called it 'sanitization', but he seems to think that's a good thing - we move one step closer to being just another Index. Not what I stay here for. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:29, 23 June 2017 (EDT)
Well, I am checking every single edit I am doing 4 times over because I do not have a friendly moderator to catch my stupid mistakes after me :) Other from that - all is good :)
Glad to hear it. This supposed to be fun. And you'll find, even after a few 10's of thousands of edits, that you can still do one that is just is so bad you have to laugh!!! [good thing is you can fix it before anyone else sees it!!!]
Oh, I have no illusions that this won't happen rather sooner than later :) Over in my other book-related site (LibraryThing), we had someone combine all Shakespeare books in one single work. Took a few people a few days to untangle that mess. There is nothing in this DB that can be as bad (short of merging 2 big publishers maybe)... And it is fun. I decided that the only way to get used to is to jump and just learn to swim in the middle of the ocean so had been carefully approving other people's submissions most of the day (and leaving messages to editors where needed). And I keep getting the feeling that I need to go apologize to the moderators that had to deal with me the first few days I was around :) Annie 19:54, 23 June 2017 (EDT)
Never apologize!!!! Worst mistake you can make. Stand your ground and be proud of the mistakes that got you to this auspicious level. We don't learn without them. For those that archive, all their mistakes are there for the viewing. I've carefully deleted about the first 8 years of mine ........... :)
I never said I am sorry that I made them :) One cannot learn if one does not make mistakes - and when I make mistakes, I kinda remember them better and (almost) never do them again. Most of the time anyway. Still... some people around here have more patience than humanly possible :) Annie 20:50, 23 June 2017 (EDT)
Just Ahasuerus, that's why he's the Modfather ................. [even I groan on that one .....] --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:20, 23 June 2017 (EDT)
Back to the publishers - I am not going to argue on that - if you would rather have it this way, you are the PV, it stays that way. We do need a somewhat different system for publishers that allows varianting - then they can stay as they are and still be connected - because a bibliographical DB that cannot connect two books to the same publisher when spelled a bit differently is not very good either. But we are not there yet. And no - being just an index is not what this DB is or should be :) Annie 19:37, 23 June 2017 (EDT)
I don't think varianting will ever work for publishers. It needs to be closer to what we do for Series [nesting, like Russian dolls]. When Penguin eventually becomes the only publisher on the planet, all records will point to them! Simple! ;-))) --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:45, 23 June 2017 (EDT)
Nesting will break when an Imprint gets sold midway or strike it on its own. We do need something in between the two - the ability to recognize that "Annie" and "Annie Publisher" are the same publisher and the ability to know that it is an imprint of "One of the big 5" from 1990 to 1995 and a separate entity altogether after that. :) Annie 19:54, 23 June 2017 (EDT)
Oh, yeah! I understand that, which is why I said 'like' nesting. There is NO system that will be perfect [we have no idea how many different iterations of a publisher name was just the whim of the typesetter .... or the database that made the record we used .... OCLC can have thirty records for a single publication and twenty different ways of recording the publisher ... librarians just can't be trusted ... ;-)))))], but merging everything is totally the wrong direction. That's why I 'suggested' all publisher merges be suspended until we have something that can work without ignoring what's actually in the publications. It won't be easy, but the alternative is just garbage. --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:02, 23 June 2017 (EDT)
I am writing copious notes in the meantime. Best thing I can do as it is now. :) Annie 20:13, 23 June 2017 (EDT)
I knew you were going to be dangerous .... that's why I nominated you! :-))) --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:21, 23 June 2017 (EDT)
Ah, Publishers! One of the rare points of disagreement between Bill and me. Based on our (supposed and confirmed in the community pages) consensus policy, I used to regularize "XYZ" and "XYZ Press" and "XYZ Books". My reason was that a standard user (not a contributor, not a moderator) will generally simply search for a "Panther" book (and not a Panther Granada book or -even worse- a Panther / Granada book) and so may be frustrated. In the french sphere I keep enforcing this rule (for the benefit of new users) but I'm now accustomed to see publishers on my PVed books change regularly, I know that it's usually either Bill or Dirk that are behind this nefarious scheme (that has its own logic but absolutely require beforehand an evolution of the db to be acceptably newbie-friendly). Hauck 01:33, 24 June 2017 (EDT)
Yes, we're bosom amis! Hardly a bad word between us. ;-))) I'd really like to know where this 'consensus' is. I've not seen it. Lots of discussions [none lately] but no real plan. I remember one very bad consensus from maybe 6-7 years ago re: Roc/New American Library that ended with a consensus [one I objected to] that has since proved to be vacuous at best. I must admit I have trouble envisioning any user who would browse the DB by publisher. Almost without exception one would be faced with anywhere from hundreds to millions of possibles [think NESFA or Penguin]. We might not have 'millions' by Penguin, but the acquisitions aren't done yet! I have to object on principle that the casual/newbie user be the yardstick for the acceptability of the DB. There was never a doubt in my mind when I first got here that I needed to get up to its speed, not that it had to 'dumb down' to mine. There are plenty of blogs/indexes/amazons out there to cater to the retarded. I really don't want us to be another one of them. Back to publishers: for the nonce, since we really do not have a plan, it is far better to note them as they appear on the title page than merge everything [we might as well get a head start and just put EVERY publisher as XXXX/ Penguin Books and be done with it]. Reason: [very selfishly] I don't want to have to go back through 20,000 pubs again to do so. Months of work has already been trashed once, and I'm getting too old to do things this big too many times. The heart just isn't in it. As for Hervé's PV publisher changes, I've never done one without book in hand. I do one that is PV'd by Dirk and he goes ahead and does the rest! Due diligence! --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:33, 24 June 2017 (EDT)
Quite honestly I am not sure which side of that argument I am (considering how the DB looks like). On one hand I want to see the books from one publisher together, on the other with Imprints and publisher being disbanded just to reappear in a week under a new name, it is almost impossible to do it in any logical way - so I think I am playing it based on gut feeling if I have to (and always ask the PVs before I touch things :) ). Annie 03:19, 24 June 2017 (EDT)

Galaxy's Edge #1

Hi. I submitted an edit to re-order the first page of the Book Review on your verified above to put the column name first. Also I noticed on my copy that the title of that column is called "Book Reviews", not "Books". I don't know if that's the same in your copy. Doug / Vornoff 20:17, 24 June 2017 (EDT)

I didn't enter the contents, but agree with the way you did the pagination. Also changed the title of the [non-existent] essay to match the page the reviews start on. I know why most editors put in the 'essay' but I don't agree that there always is an essay. If the reviewer just does reviews, then I don't see where there is one, but often there is a theme/connection that the reviewer pursues outside the reviews themselves and then it's justified as a separate content. Just my 2¢ [CDN, of course]. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:00, 24 June 2017 (EDT)
I agree with you and lately I haven't been entering columns, like this one, with no separate, standalone content. I just start with the reviews. The title was already there so I just reorded it. The title, "Books" didn't match the title in my copy, though, as I mentioned above. I thought possibly it might have been printed differently somehow in p.o.d. books. Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 00:58, 25 June 2017 (EDT)

Final Diagnosis

Can you check the Page Count for your verified Final Diagnosis. The record shows 320 pages, but my copy has 312 pages. Locus1 also states that there are 312 pages. --AndyjMo 13:46, 26 June 2017 (EDT)

Indeed and corrected. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:28, 26 June 2017 (EDT)

Star Wars Insider Issue #70, September 2003

Hi Bill,

Can you pull your verified Star Wars Insider Issue #70, September 2003 and check the spelling of Eric Moto's name (page 32). Any change this is actually Eric Moro? Thanks! Annie 00:41, 27 June 2017 (EDT)

Fixed. --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:56, 27 June 2017 (EDT)
Awesome. Thanks! Annie 12:56, 27 June 2017 (EDT)

Blood Lines

The cover for Blood Lines was uploaded by you. My copy of this edition is slightly different - it has a comment attributed to Kay Hooper and not the Midwest Book Review. I was wondering whether the cover was an actual scan of the book or just a copy from Amazon (Amazon's cover has the Midwest Book Review comment). If the cover was from Amazon then I'll replace it, otherwise I will just include a reference to an alternate cover. --AndyjMo 17:27, 27 June 2017 (EDT)

Most likely from amazon. Go ahead and replace it. If it was from book-in-hand it would have a PV from me, even if a transient. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:36, 27 June 2017 (EDT)


This is about two publications:

  1. At present the titles are entered in ISFDB as "Behemoth" rather than "βehemoth". It seems that the author and publisher intended that the titles be "βehemoth".
  2. The letter "β" is a lower-case Greek beta. Normally we'd convert the first letter to upper-case meaning the titles on ISFDB would have "Βehemoth". Note the "Β" is an upper-case Greek beta and it's not the same as the upper-case Latin letter "B" that we use in English.
  3. At present the first title is using "ß-Max" with an eszett or scharfes S. The publication appears to be using "β" (lower-case greek beta).

A suggestion is to:

  1. Change both the title records and all publications to use "βehemoth: β-Max" and "βehemoth: Seppuku" with a transliterated titles of "Behemoth: B-Max" and "Behemoth: Seppuku". For example, see βoyfriend which is using a transliterated title.
  2. Add a title note, and perhaps publication notes that the use of the lower-case "β" is intentional.

--Marc Kupper|talk 02:51, 28 June 2017 (EDT)

I would go for the first suggestion.William 07:54, 29 June 2017 (EDT)

Seventh Son

Please see User_talk:Willem H.#Seventh Son for a pub that you and others verified. Thank you. --Marc Kupper 06:47, 30 June 2017 (EDT)

"Neutron Star", by Larry Niven

I added a note (about ISBNs and OCLCs) and added an OCLC number to your verified 7th printing of this book. That would normally go on your other page, but you had included a note (in 2013) that said "OCLC has multiple records, none specific to printing or ISBN", so since there now is such a record, I deleted this note. That change notification belongs here. Chavey 14:45, 2 July 2017 (EDT)

Ok, think I followed that ... ;-) --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:35, 2 July 2017 (EDT)

oclc notation

Hi, now we are having a nice OCLC field and no longer a direct way to enter that record through the menu on the left (it is still there, but takes two clicks when a valid ISBN number goes with the record) I would like to ask you why you enter the OCLC records like you do in the older records. You must have a meaning to enter them like this: OCLC {a href=""}4475133{/a} In this case it is for The Lights in the Sky Are Stars, but there are many more others, see Mismatched OCLC URLs in Publication Notes.--Dirk P Broer 16:24, 3 July 2017 (EDT)

As opposed to what other way? There was no template then. They'll all be gone from the notes soon anyway, lots of editors doing some every day. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:33, 3 July 2017 (EDT)
oclc/1557399">4475133 shows 4475133 but directs to 1557399 (BTW: 4475133 does not exist).--Dirk P Broer 17:57, 3 July 2017 (EDT)
The number does exist, and points to the correct record even if it's not shown in the record. That happens a lot with OCLC. They do combine records and internalize the 'abandoned' record numbers. We don't notice it that much [they have 9 billion+ records]. --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:02, 4 July 2017 (EDT)

The Loafers of Refuge

Hello Bill, artist was confirmed for your verified pub. Hauck 07:40, 4 July 2017 (EDT)

Thanks! Though not sure about the link, someday the painting will sell. --~ Bill, Bluesman 11:56, 4 July 2017 (EDT)
Yes, likely (although it's not that nice, IMHO).Hauck 13:07, 4 July 2017 (EDT)
An art critic! Man of many talents ... I don't think it made a very good book cover, wouldn't want it hanging on my walls. ;-)) --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:43, 6 July 2017 (EDT)

page number changes

Added roman-numeral introduction to the page numbers of The New Women of Wonder; moved external identifiers.

Changes to 2020 Vision (1980 edition): Made page numbers consistently be for the introductions to the stories rather than the start of the stories, and added a note about that; capitalization fix and moving external identifiers. --Vasha 12:52, 4 July 2017 (EDT)

The pagination was consistent before, matching the stories' title pages and [small miracle] the TOC. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:44, 6 July 2017 (EDT)

Intended change to The Harriers

Although this book is in the DB as simply The Harriers, the title page reads The Harriers: Book One: Of War and Honor. OK to change it? Also, unlike what the notes say (evidently a typo), the copyright page reads "First Printing, April 1991." --Vasha 15:32, 4 July 2017 (EDT)

Fixed the typo. As for the title, quite a few years ago we made a decision to NOT include Series titles in the individual book records of the Series. In this case War of Honor is the series and it's the first book. Both of those datums are already in place in the Series' listing. To put them again in the single book's title is redundant. Some of the Series can get really convoluted in the parts/books/volumes and dropping all that in the individual records keeps things quite a bit cleaner. There are stills lots of them around but only because every Series hasn't been revisited, not even in 8[?] years. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:21, 6 July 2017 (EDT)
Actually, the series title is "The Harriers" Vasha 17:55, 6 July 2017 (EDT)
Well, now that both feet are out of my mouth, the title/record has been corrected! The logic above still applies, just can't believe all those eyes missed the title ..... at least book 2 is correct. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:03, 6 July 2017 (EDT)
Thanks! --Vasha 19:23, 6 July 2017 (EDT)

You are needed in a discussion

Hi Bill,

Can you join us here and post an opinion. No PVs but you did a secondary from some of our usual paper sources on one of them (the one that needs the biggest change) so opinion is needed. Thanks!Annie 00:01, 5 July 2017 (EDT)

Selected Stories and Poems

Hi Bill,

The last entry in your verified Selected Stories and Poems had "The Happiest Hour" as a story when it is obviously a poem. I approved a change based on what I am seeing online (I do not see a story with that name anywhere). If you disagree, please feel to revert back but based on all the evidence, it seems like a typo in the verified pub so I approved based on that. Annie 15:57, 5 July 2017 (EDT)

No problem. Definitely a poem. --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:50, 6 July 2017 (EDT)

The Demons of the Upper Air

Hi. Bob and I would like your input on his talk page as verifiers of pubs that include the Leiber poems comprising "The Demons of the Upper Air". Hopefully the problem will be self-explanatory when you read our input there. Thanks. Doug / Vornoff 16:10, 13 July 2017 (EDT)

Hmmm can't see where I own anything but the Bibliography and it doesn't have the poem[s]. You two seem to know what you're talking about. Makes no difference to me if it's one or eight. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:12, 13 July 2017 (EDT)

A Plague of Demons

Hello, the real artist has been found for this pub. Hauck 05:16, 14 July 2017 (EDT)

Thanks! --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:02, 14 July 2017 (EDT)

Cosmic Powers

Page number correction: the introduction is page ix, not xi. --Vasha 16:12, 14 July 2017 (EDT)


I'd like to change the cover artist of this Coronet edition from Matthew Fox to Nick Fox. The signature is the same as on other covers currently credited to Nick Fox, the style (leathery skin colors) is the same as on for example Dark Crusade (Coronet 1981). And "Matthew Fox" has no other credits, his existence is probably just based on signature "Fox" somehow combined with 1940s Weird Tales artist Matt Fox. Horzel 05:51, 18 July 2017 (EDT)

Not sure about the source for 'Matthew'. I have no trouble with the change. I did the one below as I'm the only verifier, and I assume you've left notes for the others on this one. Perhaps the reason for using Matthew will come from one of them? --~ Bill, Bluesman 10:55, 18 July 2017 (EDT)

Hunters of the Red Moon

I'd like to change the cover artist of this from Fox (I) to Nick Fox. Horzel 05:55, 18 July 2017 (EDT)

Camp Concentration

Cover artist of this is Peter Goodfellow, see his site. Horzel 17:06, 19 July 2017 (EDT)

The Gates of Creation

Cover artist of this is Peter Goodfellow, the art is shown on his site. Thanks. Horzel 17:14, 19 July 2017 (EDT)

Thanks for all three, Hervé has done the changes. --~ Bill, Bluesman 11:58, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

Beyond the Stars

A new editor has changed the notes to Beyond the Stars. I gave them a welcome notice & pointers on notifying verifiers, but accepted the edit. The change was from "St Michael is on the cover and spine, unknown if a publisher/distributor/imprint; there is no publisher on the title page" to "St Michael is on the cover and spine, this is the branding for products from UK department store Marks & Spencer". -- JLaTondre (talk) 21:46, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

Works fine for me, glad someone knew what it meant. Thanks! --~ Bill, Bluesman 10:22, 21 July 2017 (EDT)

The Force Awakens

You can add the cover artist to your verified The Force Awakens. Drew Struzan has been credited on any number of sites for this image but here's one if you want to check it out: 00:07, 21 July 2017 (EDT)

Makes sense he would be the artist, he's done so many covers for novels. But the page opens as a blank. I can open the site and browse but that page just does nothing. Is enough of the poster available to see his signature? --~ Bill, Bluesman 10:32, 21 July 2017 (EDT)

Nihonjoe's nomination

When you have a moment, could you please review this discussion? As I wrote earlier today:

It's been 5 days since the nomination. Normally (and as per the standard process), it would be enough to determine if we have consensus. However, only 4 votes have been cast so far: 3 in favor and 1 against. I worked with Nihonjoe last year, when he was learning the ropes, but I have processed only 14 of his submissions in 2017, so I hesitate to cast a vote.
I have compiled a list of moderators who have approved more than 50 of Nihonjoe's submissions in 2017 and who haven't voted. I will ask them to chime in based on their experience.

Since you have approved 98 of Nihonjoe's submissions this year, you are on the hit list :-) TIA! Ahasuerus 11:10, 22 July 2017 (EDT)

Thanks for the heads-up, been so busy with a collection I just bought I've not looked at much other than the queue for about 10 days. Have to jog the memory for what I've encountered from him so far. --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:04, 22 July 2017 (EDT)
Congratulations on the acquisition, but watch out -- particularly juicy ones have been known to cause dizzy spells in collectors :-) Ahasuerus 14:55, 22 July 2017 (EDT)
Nah, not these. Nearly all military SF with some young-adult werewolf/vampire stuff thrown in. Of 350 or so I'll keep less than 50. But the whole lot was only $50 and I've already traded in most of it for about $300 credit at a local used chain I deal with a lot. And no 'juicy' ones, virtually all post-90s. The best collection I've encountered belonged to a fellow who used to run the University of Alberta library. His books were read once and put away. Of 3000+ I bought about 800, all pre-80s, most pre-70s. THAT was fun!! :-))) --~ Bill, Bluesman 15:12, 22 July 2017 (EDT)

"Tesseracts Fourteen: Strange Canadian Stories"

In your verified anthology, there are two poems listed by David Clink on p. 149. One is titled "The Mad Scientist's Shopping List for Hosting a Barbeque" and the other is titled "List for Hosting a Barbecue". This seems a little unusual, and disagrees with the content listing in WorldCat. Could you check whether we actually have the correct form of these contents? If we do, then we should probably add a note that WorldCat is wrong. Chavey 18:49, 22 July 2017 (EDT)

Had me going there! Poem is on 249, and just the one. It's listed in the TOC as two [which likely explains OCLC], halving the title for whatever reason. Deleted the extra. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:56, 22 July 2017 (EDT)
Thanks! Could you check on another David Clink entry? Your verified books Imaginarium 2013 and Parnassus Unbound are both listed as having a 2012 short story titled "Sixteen Colors", by David Clink. But that story is listed as having a Poem variant titled "Sixteen Colours". If accurate, this would be the only short story published by Clink, compared to several dozen poems. Could you check whether that "short story" is actually a poem? Thanks, Chavey 19:01, 22 July 2017 (EDT)

Stained-Glass World

Hi, I've found another scan of this on the internet that clearly shows the signature G.C.D. (even though the difference between the G and the C is small). And since Gordon C. Davies also painted other NEL 1976 covers and since the style is similar, I feel sure that he's the one. I've found three 1970s covers (e.g. Space Family Stone signed Gordon C. Davies in full, with similar G, C and D. Horzel 05:51, 23 July 2017 (EDT)

Red Lights, and Rain

Gareth L. Powell's Red Lights, and Rain and Red Lights and Rain are both in pubs verified by you. I assume they are the same story. Would you mind checking that as well as the presence/absence of the comma and variant, etc. as appropriate? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 11:52, 30 July 2017 (EDT)

Added the comma, merged. --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:27, 30 July 2017 (EDT)

Behold the Man

Cover artist of this is Walter Wyles, see todaysinspiration. Horzel 10:57, 31 July 2017 (EDT)

Thanks! --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:04, 31 July 2017 (EDT)

The Paradise Game

We have this publication dated in July 1974. However, user Hifrommike65 noted that his copy states June 1974 (see here). Could you check your copy of the Canadian edition? Perhaps this was published a month later. Thanks, --Willem 04:02, 4 August 2017 (EDT)

First time for everything! My CDN printing does say July. I have at least 100 titles with US & CDN copies and they've always been the same. --~ Bill, Bluesman 11:26, 4 August 2017 (EDT)

Varianting titles

Hello Bill, in your frenzy of additions to the db (you're leaving me nearly 400 books behind you), you forgot to variant titles by diverse aliases of Dale L. Sproule. Can you have a look at them. Thanks. Hauck 03:36, 7 August 2017 (EDT)

You're lucky, Dirk varianted them. Hauck 03:53, 7 August 2017 (EDT)
Frenzy?? Those variants were on a sticky-note to do this morning, had not decided on the one 'pseudo' quite yet. He's the editor so his full name is on the masthead but the artwork is credited to DLSproule, no spaces, no periods. Too tired last night. Thanks to Dirk. --~ Bill, Bluesman 13:41, 7 August 2017 (EDT)

Margaret Peterson Haddix: Found

I found Your verification here for eleventh printing. The first printing with the same ISBN has a different cover. Can You check if there is a confusion? --Zapp 14:15, 8 August 2017 (EDT)

Luckily that one went through my hands only recently! I scanned and uploaded that image, so it is correct. As for the image from amazon, I never trust them. If the 20th printing has a new cover they'll slap it on every previous edition with the same ISBN. Best place to check is AbeBooks, and even then ONLY for seller pics, as the 'stock' images usually come from amazon [circular trash]. Remember that if a seller does not put an image, it's AbeBooks that dumps the 'stock' one on the ad. --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:18, 8 August 2017 (EDT)
So do You think the cover of first printing is wrong? --Zapp 15:46, 8 August 2017 (EDT)
There are 85 for sale on AbeBooks, not one of which has a seller image. Going to amazon and using the Look-Inside feature, one gets an image of the 2008 hardcover which is exactly the same as the one I uploaded for the 11th printing. So, yes, I'd say it's wrong. Looking at their listing for the 8th book in the series, it's likely the whole line was re-issued with a new set of similar covers for that edition. Amazon is utterly unreliable in general for any titles with multiple editions, whether for dates or images. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:02, 8 August 2017 (EDT)
Thank You. --Zapp 16:06, 8 August 2017 (EDT)

The Starry Rift

Hi, I changed the page count from 256 to 250 and added the short story At the Library that appears at pages 248-250 of The Starry Rift.--Dirk P Broer 11:39, 11 August 2017 (EDT)

Indeed, and five sets of eyes [including both of us] missed it the first time around! We'll never live it down ....... ;-)) --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:09, 11 August 2017 (EDT)

B. W. Clough

In accordance with discussion on Moderator Board, I changed the canonical name of B. W. Clough to Brenda W. Clough, which affected this, this, and this verified publication of yours. --Vasha 02:39, 12 August 2017 (EDT)

Arc Manor/Phoenix Pick

A quick question about your verified Humanity 2.0 and The Burning Bridge. They have "Phoenix Pick / Arc MAnor" listed as the publisher. Is it, by chance, the same publisher as Arc Manor/Phoenix Pick, which has 44 pubs? Ahasuerus 18:34, 13 August 2017 (EDT)

No question, just wish they would make up their minds about the order!!! I put in the way it is on the title page but I have editions which put it both ways [though the 'A' in Manor is a slow-left-hand 'residue' from me]. If Phoenix Pick is the publisher, not the imprint, then these should be merged. A quick question for you: can a Review be linked to a Series title? I've come across a few recently in Foundation [neat mag!] and was tempted to try some 'sandbox' tests but things get in the way. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:45, 13 August 2017 (EDT)
I am afraid reviews can only be linked to titles at this time. The software modules that handle reviews and interviews are rather complex (due to variants, pseudonyms and such), so I don't expect that things will change in the foreseeable future... Ahasuerus 19:08, 13 August 2017 (EDT)
That's what I figured. No harm in asking! Cheers --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:10, 13 August 2017 (EDT)

Castle Roogna

The LCCN 79-50375 given for this printing of Castle Roogna is not valid. I've changed it to 98810462 which actually references the 27th printing. --AndyjMo 14:02, 17 August 2017 (EDT)

Harry likely put it in, I don't add one unless it's the first hardcover edition. Link may have been valid at one time ... --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:09, 17 August 2017 (EDT)

Castle Roogna

Castle Roogna: I've updated the Printing History - the copyright statement does say First Edition not First Printing. The LCCN is as listed on the copyright statement but the web site says it is invalid. --AndyjMo 14:12, 17 August 2017 (EDT)

Oh, it's listed like that in every edition, which makes it odd the record is invalid [even odder that the 'real' record is 18 years after publication]. If you submitted the changes it hasn't shown up in the queue. --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:19, 17 August 2017 (EDT)

Artist credit for Red Sonja (2) Demon Night

In the notes for this pub of Demon Night, it says the artist is Vallejo without a doubt but is unsigned. My copy credits Boris on the back cover. Is it the same for yours or do I have something different? (Same note posted with Don Erikson) Doug H 23:58, 18 August 2017 (EDT)

Nope, I never think to look on the back cover of Ace editions. This is the first time I've seen an artist credit there [in the 90s, once Berkley took over there are some]. Saw the sixth book in the series also has the credit on the back. Good catch. --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:03, 19 August 2017 (EDT)

Var the Stick

Updated the Printing History for Var the Stick (added statement about Corgi edition and Copyright statement). The OCLC number listed is for a 1975 edition by Transworld Publishers. There seem to be a number of records for this edition in WorldCat e.g. 877355538, which gives the ISBN and lists Corgi as the publisher. Should this be the link? --AndyjMo 10:35, 19 August 2017 (EDT)

Transworld is the publisher, Corgi is the imprint. When there are multiple records I just pick the one that most closely matches. Some editors add every one they can find. With the IDs being removed from the notes now it's less intrusive/cluttered to have multiple reference numbers from OCLC. I still do that for items like Ace doubles and sometimes parts of two records kind of make a 'whole'. --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:09, 19 August 2017 (EDT)

Prelude to Mars

While doing the PV for Prelude to Mars I saw that ISFDB had the last story as "Sands of Mars" while the publication uses "The Sands of Mars" in the Contents, title page for the story, and in the page headers for the story. I've updated that publication record to use "The Sands of Mars".

  • Chavey is the transient PV for this printing which also lists "Sands of Mars". As it's transient I suspect we'll wait to see if Bluesman can track down his copies before updating this record.
  • Bluesman is the PV for this printing and also this one both which use "Sands of Mars". Both pubs should be re-checked to see if they have "The Sands of Mars".

--Marc Kupper 14:29, 22 August 2017 (EDT)

Both did, not anymore! --~ Bill, Bluesman 11:33, 24 August 2017 (EDT)
I no longer have that book, nor do I have access to it. Chavey 23:00, 22 August 2017 (EDT)

The Big Lifters coverart

While working on the coverart record for Terraforming: Ecopolitical Transformations and Environmentalism I came across the artist's description of this work on his Deviant Art site, which leads me to believe that the Jacket Art credit for The Big Lifters might be for the design and lettering rather than the artwork itself.

Since you're the sole PV for the hardcover, which is also the basis for the attribution on the paperback, I figured I'd check in with you before I made any changes. Thanks, Albinoflea 18:59, 24 August 2017 (EDT)

Most interesting! Stolen before it even got used ..... though one wonders how the credit was given to Frayn as the design work is separately credited to Carol Russo. Have amended the notes and credit for the hardcover. Will leave the paperback for you. Thanks! --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:40, 24 August 2017 (EDT)

Theodore Sturgeon's Beyond (Avon, 1960)

Hi, Though you state the OCLC holds no record for the above named title Beyond, they do have two entries for the 1960 Avon edition. They only make the mistake of quoting the 1970 Catalog-Id with both. For the 1970 Avon edition they do not quote a catalogId at all, but do mention the earlier 1960 edition.--Dirk P Broer 11:21, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

Step to the Stars

In Step to the Stars you moved the LCCN to the External IDs section. As the LCCN relates only to the hardcover edition then I believe that it should be in the Notes section with a comment about it status. It has been suggested it should say: "The copyright page mentions {{LCCN|54-8792}}, but the Library of Congress record is for the hardcover edition". Where should it be? --AndyjMo 13:48, 29 August 2017 (EDT)

Personally, I don't think the LCCN is relevant to any edition but the one noted in the specific LoC record. It's still an external ID and as such the number of the record still belongs outside the notes. If some data had been sourced from an external record/source, of course the source should be noted, but the number of said source wouldn't need to be included in the notes. --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:25, 30 August 2017 (EDT)


The cover artist of Babel-17 is Vicente Segrelles, see his site, image CF_289. Horzel 06:45, 30 August 2017 (EDT)

Fellowship of the Ring (Canadian first)

You verified this pub as first Canadian and a date of 1965-10, but no direct quote of source. I have a later Canadian edition that claims it was November, 1965. I expect yours is right, but ... it seems someone has created entries based on the 45th and created one of your first edition but dated for November. My copy is the 6th Canadian and has April 1969 but our 45th created it with March 1969. I've updated mine. They seem not to be aware of the Canadian currency either - I'll update the second through fifth printings but leave you the first. Doug H 16:15, 30 August 2017 (EDT)

Actually I verified it as a second printing, there are quotation marks for both lines noting 1st/2nd printings. There are lots of records that have been created from later editions printing histories and quite often the date that's in the actual printing is different. Book-in-hand rules. A note about the discrepancy can be added [and I will], but inevitably someone will fail to check and a record that doesn't match will again be created. Once we have the promised field for printings, that should be less of a problem. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:28, 30 August 2017 (EDT)
You quoted the first two US printings and said it was a Canadian - ergo first Canadian by deduction rather than statement. While reading your response, my window width was such that I saw "Once we have the promised". Before I could scan back to the beginning of the line my mind filled in "land". Doug H 19:35, 30 August 2017 (EDT)
'Ergo', nothing. I quoted two dates in a Canadian edition. Neither has 'US' appended in any way, in the book or in the notes. --~ Bill, Bluesman 15:02, 4 September 2017 (EDT)

EOS / HarperCollins Publishers -> EOS / HarperCollins

I notice you have 4 pubs assigned to EOS / HarperCollins Publishers, but there are a few hundred assigned to EOS / HarperCollins; so if you have no objection I'm going to switch them over. Thanks. gzuckier 20:59, 31 August 2017 (EDT)

I do have an objection. The publisher in those, and an unknown number [as yet] of other editions from them, is exactly as printed on the title page [which is the way we do things]. Regularization is for Indexes, not Bibliography, and last time I checked that's also what we are about. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:01, 1 September 2017 (EDT)
OK, I shall keep that in mind. thanks. gzuckier 00:38, 2 September 2017 (EDT)

Perry Rhodan 7

Found Your verification of Fortress of the Six Moons. The title is the same name. But in the series it should be "Perry Rhodan #7: Fortress of the Six Moons" concerning the other titles. My contribution was rejected by Hauck. What do You mean? --Zapp 07:00, 5 September 2017 (EDT)

There's no 'meaning'. This whole series should have the leading portion deleted from each title. Years ago it was decided to 'unclutter' titles in a series by not including the entire series data in each one. Since the above title is already in 'Perry Rhodan' and shows up under #7 that info is rightly not included in the title in the record. It also doesn't need to show up in its series title. There are quite a few Series that haven't been re-visited, some small, some large. It's just a matter of someone taking the time to do it. --~ Bill, Bluesman 11:12, 5 September 2017 (EDT)
I'll do it tonight. --Zapp 12:46, 5 September 2017 (EDT)
Done. --Zapp 18:20, 5 September 2017 (EDT)

Lucky Starr and the Big Sun of Mercury

I don't understand the update you have just made to Lucky Starr and the Big Sun of Mercury. The comments say "LCCN is valid with #56005584". However the id is in the OCLC field. Also the LCCN only describes the 1956 edition. There is another LCCN for this title (78014585) but describes the 1978 edition. Am I missing something here? --AndyjMo 16:50, 5 September 2017 (EDT)

The existing note listed the LCCN as it is in the field but stated it was not valid. I checked it and it is valid, so moved it to the external ID field. I can see how the note I left wouldn't have made that clear. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:54, 5 September 2017 (EDT)
But shouldn't the ID be classified as LCCN and not as OCLC? When you click on the field the link goes to WorldCat and not to the Library of Congress site.
Oops ... corrected. Forest for the trees ... --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:26, 5 September 2017 (EDT)

Errors in The Best of Trek

I've been checking some entries in The Best of Trek series which you have verified, and there are some discrepancies with author names.

In The Best of Trek #9, Sarah Shaper should be Sarah Schaper and Harvey H. Greenberg should be Harvey R. Greenberg.

In The Best of Trek #12, Jay Lengo should be Jay Jengo and ingrid Cross should be capitalized to Ingrid Cross.

In each case I've check the name against both in the TOC and on the essays (and I believe I have the same editions). Can you verify or correct these? --TracyPoff 18:43, 5 September 2017 (EDT)

Right on all counts and all corrected. Glad you're checking. Fan stuff can be a nightmare as the names aren't always what the eye perceives! --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:08, 5 September 2017 (EDT)
Thanks! I've just finished going through my Best of Trek books, so a few more items for you to check, if you would be so kind:
In The Best of Trek #13, "You Will Not Believe a Starship Can Fly" is written with an exclamation point (i.e. "You Will Not Believe a Starship Can Fly!").
In The Best of Trek #14, "The Price of Life—An Exploration of Sacrifices" is written as "The Price of Life—An Exploration of Sacrifices in Star Trek". "Star Trek Mysteries Solve By Our Readers" is written "Star Trek Mysteries Solved By Our Readers".
In The Best of Trek #18, "Past, Present, and Future Tense: A Speculative Commentary on Captain Jean-Luc Picard and Dr. Beverly Crusher—PartII" should have a space: "Part II". --TracyPoff 19:58, 5 September 2017 (EDT)
Good catches, all corrected! --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:17, 5 September 2017 (EDT)

The Badlands Book Two of Two price mismatch

Your verified The Badlands Book Two of Two has the price listed as $6.99 (C$8.99). My copy of that edition has $6.50 (C$8.99). Can you verify your price/edition? --TracyPoff 23:33, 5 September 2017 (EDT)

Corrected. --~ Bill, Bluesman 11:12, 6 September 2017 (EDT)

Publisher Samson

I was checking into the publisher Sampson Low and ran across your secondary verification of this pub. You have the publisher as Samson Low (no 'p'). This is the only publication by this publisher. This and this reference have "Sampson". Are your secondary references different? There are multiple versions of Sampson, but I think this is the one. Doug H 23:54, 5 September 2017 (EDT)

Just a typo, corrected. --~ Bill, Bluesman 11:12, 6 September 2017 (EDT)

The Still Small Voice of Trumpets

This edition of The Still Small Voice of Trumpets has a Publication Date of 1969, however there is no reference to the publication date of 1969 on the copyright page. The WorldCat record 2471690 seems to match the details of the edition but has a Publication Date of 1968. Should the Publication date be changed to 1968? --AndyjMo 12:59, 6 September 2017 (EDT)

The © date is for the Doubleday edition [June, 1968]. Curtis books didn't exist until 1969. In that era it was almost always a year between any hardcover edition and a paperback. The pb doesn't appear in Tuck, which is amazingly inclusive to the end of 1968. --~ Bill, Bluesman 13:10, 6 September 2017 (EDT)

Gray Matters

Cover artist of this is Tony Roberts, the same art is shown on page 6 of Science Fiction Monthly, February 1974. Horzel 16:57, 6 September 2017 (EDT)

Victor Valla

Please see this discussion. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 21:57, 6 September 2017 (EDT)

Introductions to Lem's The Star Diaries

Hi, Bill!

I have posted this issue on the Community Portal. It seems very likely that the first introduction to your verified publication of The Star Diaries isn't translated from the 1954 original version but from a later (second) introduction that notes the texts of two new voyages and the omittance of the 26th voyage (and also the absurdity of the authorship of LEM).

In addition, it will likely be the case that they are either credited to 'Professor A. S. Tarantoga' or 'Prof. A. S. Tarantoga'.

Could you please take a look at your copy? Christian Stonecreek 08:49, 9 September 2017 (EDT)

The Red King page count

For your verified pub The Red King, the page count is listed as "viii+344+[8]". It seems to me this should be "viii+364+[8]". Can you confirm this? --TracyPoff 19:36, 9 September 2017 (EDT)

Yep, and fixed. --~ Bill, Bluesman 15:03, 10 September 2017 (EDT)

Path to Truth

Does your copy of Path to Truth have illustrated boards and illustrated endpapers? I have a copy with the same printing statement but no price, etc. and am wondering if it's a different edition or the same and just missing the jacket. Thanks for looking.

I have two of them, one with the jacket, both have illustrated boards/endpapers. --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:10, 10 September 2017 (EDT)
Thanks!SFJuggler 12:30, 10 September 2017 (EDT)

The Ghost's Touch

There's a record for a Wilkie Collins collection titled The Ghost's Touch where you indicated that you found the contents in Tuck. I'm puzzled by the inclusion of "Our Last Walk" because I don't see any other mention of Collins having written that, it's always credited to Hugh Conway. Can you take another look at Tuck and see what he says about that? Thanks! --Vasha 01:21, 11 September 2017 (EDT)

"Harper ed. has 3 stories: 'The Ghost's Touch'; 'My lady's Money'; 'Percy and the Priophet.' Lovell ed. has 3 stories, omitting 'My Lady's Money' and adding 'Our Last Walk'." There is no record of a Lovell edition on OCLC, so no way to compare contents. Hugh Conway is not listed in Tuck at all, so no transposition of data. Reginald notes the Lovell edition but doesn't give contents [he probably used Tuck]. It's possible the edition could be the Munro from the same year which only had the two stories [the page count matches]. --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:26, 11 September 2017 (EDT)
Hmm. Maybe the Lovell is an unauthorized edition that the publisher padded out with a Conway story he happened to have on hand? Who knows without looking at it. I guess we should add that quote from Tuck to the notes and explain the reasons for uncertainty. Vasha 15:18, 11 September 2017 (EDT)
Speculation, which is all one has in these mini-black-holes. The lack of an OCLC record tells the most. It's very rare not to have a single copy in X# of libraries. For now the notes are all we've got. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:42, 11 September 2017 (EDT)

The cover artist for Imram ...

... is indeed Carl Lundgren. I have added him and a note on the source of the information (please change as to your liking). Christian Stonecreek 10:45, 23 September 2017 (EDT)

Thanks! Added a link. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:59, 23 September 2017 (EDT)

Report to the Men's Club and Other Stories

Hello, I've changed to title of your PVed collection to simply Report to the Men's Club as per title page. Hauck 11:53, 24 September 2017 (EDT)

Good catch! Odd, it's added back in on the copyright page .... editors!¿!  ;-)) --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:17, 24 September 2017 (EDT)

2nd Foundation: Galactic Empire

Hi, I've imported content for 2nd Foundation: Galactic Empire and 2nd Foundation: Galactic Empire.--Dirk P Broer 18:03, 24 September 2017 (EDT)

ElkhornForss Design vs EkhornForss Design

Hi, In your verified copy of Exultant cover art credit is given to ElkhornForss Design. Could you please check whether the 'l' is really in ElkhornForss Design?--Dirk P Broer 04:48, 25 September 2017 (EDT)

Nope, no 'l', though I probably hardly looked at it, not keen on companies as artists. Easy fix. --~ Bill, Bluesman 11:35, 25 September 2017 (EDT)

The Cauldron

Removed "(excerpt)" from "The Cauldron" in Northern Stars; not needed because it isn't an excerpt from something titled "The Cauldron." I do have a question, though. In the 2017 edition the author's name is give as "Donald M. Kingsbury." Is it so in your earlier edition also? Vasha 12:04, 25 September 2017 (EDT)

With the 'M', yes, and fixed. The (excerpt) stays, though. There's no reason it has to match a larger title and it is described in the piece's prolog as an excerpt. --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:18, 25 September 2017 (EDT)
See R&S discussion Vasha 12:42, 25 September 2017 (EDT)
Doesn't quite apply here. The larger work is unpublished so there is no way to determine if the piece is a chapter [in whole or part], or section with an arbitrary title assigned. It's not a stand-alone story as the descriptive of the larger work is 'novel'. If the 'novel' gets published then a determination could be made whether to excise (excerpt) or not. --~ Bill, Bluesman 11:30, 27 September 2017 (EDT)
OK, fair enough! --Vasha 13:40, 27 September 2017 (EDT)

The Final Encyclopaedia

Cover artist of this is Les Edwards, according to Heroic Dreams p54. Horzel 13:39, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

Thank you! --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:26, 26 September 2017 (EDT)


Cover artist of this is Chris Yates, his initials C.Y. can be seen at the bottom of the back cover. Horzel 06:40, 27 September 2017 (EDT)

I see the initials, but is there some source which identifies same as for Yates? I ask because all the other works credited to him [not the photographs] are mostly wraparound and there aren't any initials. --~ Bill, Bluesman 11:38, 27 September 2017 (EDT)
The art for Solar Lottery in Science Fiction Monthly 1974-05, as can be seen in this blog, is credited to Chris Yates, and shows the initials C.Y. (mid right, next to the head). Horzel 09:49, 28 September 2017 (EDT)

Orbit Science Fiction Yearbook 1

Cover artist of Yearbook 1 is Brian Waugh, see The Last Castle / Nightwings (Tor Double). Horzel 08:17, 28 September 2017 (EDT)

"The Angry Angel" by Chelsea Quinn Yarbro

I added a second PV to your verified edition, with the trivial addition of the LCCN. However, I added a note to the Title Record which you may find interesting. I, at least, have never seen anything like this before. My note is: "(My copy) of the first edition is signed by the author, with a stamped note that she used to add the following statement to the title page: "20% Of This Novel Was Cut or Rewritten By The Editor". I think she was pissed. Chavey 03:13, 1 October 2017 (EDT)

Two Tales and Eight Tomorrows

Cover artist of this is Jim Burns, see this later edition. Horzel 10:25, 9 October 2017 (EDT)

"Probe", as credited to Margaret Wander Bonanno

I've proposed a change to the author of this book, a copy of which you have verified, and request that you review my justification on the Community Portal. Chavey 04:30, 11 October 2017 (EDT)

George Alvara

I'd like to change the credit of The Throwbacks, The Island of Dr. Moreau (not your PV but same art), The Gladiator from Alvaro to George Alvara.
The cover of Siege of Earth also appears to be signed Alvaro, could you please check?
Alvaro was an Italian who painted covers for Digit (UK, early 1960s), George Alvara was a South American who painted covers for cheap US pockets (Belmont, Leisure, re-used on Unibook and Manor), (For Alvara, see also The Dark Millennium and Time and Space at Horzel 07:17, 17 October 2017 (EDT)

Throwbacks/Moreau and Gladiator do look like Alvara but the signature on Siege of Earth is different from Dark Millenium, especially in the leading letter. I don't have a copy of the latter to do a hi-res scan just to be sure. I'll amend the notes for Siege as I have to update that one anyway [it does have a date code]. --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:44, 18 October 2017 (EDT)


My copy of Barrayar does have a one page extract for "Borders of Infinity" on page [391]. Is this the extract you have removed? --AndyjMo 13:47, 21 October 2017 (EDT)

The content had 'del' in the page block, so I removed it. Looking at it I can see why it was marked 'del' as it's not presented as an excerpt in the usual manner though longer than a mere blurb. More of an ad for the upcoming book. --~ Bill, Bluesman 13:59, 21 October 2017 (EDT)

The Wanderer

Cover art of this edition is here credited to Artifact. I don't know if you can see enough of the signature to compare it to Val Lakey Lindahn's signature? Horzel 05:49, 23 October 2017 (EDT)

No, there's barely enough showing to see that it's not part of the artwork. The book does credit the art to Artifact, not sure how I missed that. Will amend the note/field. Thanks for pointing this out! --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:28, 23 October 2017 (EDT)

Earthman, Come Home

Earthman, Come Home: the ID on the front cover is “2205-8” (at the top left under the Mayflower Dell logo). On the spine it is 2205 (over) 8. Should the Catalog ID be changed to match this? --AndyjMo 17:28, 26 October 2017 (EDT)

Probably, run it past M. Hauck first. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:30, 26 October 2017 (EDT)
He reckons it some sort of check digit. He has no feeling either way. I only raised it as you made a note when you approved my last update to the record. Do we toss a coin to say whether it should be changed or not? Or just leave it as it is? --AndyjMo 05:58, 27 October 2017 (EDT)
Heads or tails? (here we say "Pile ou face ?") Hauck 07:44, 27 October 2017 (EDT)
I think it should be at least noted so a future editor won't think they have a different edition. Whether in the catalog# field or the notes .... --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:57, 27 October 2017 (EDT)
Agree, done. Hauck 01:31, 28 October 2017 (EDT)

The Birth of Flux & Anchor

The Birth of Flux & Anchor: The publication date in this record is “1985-12-00” which matches the copyright page in my copy “First printing: December 1985”. However the Notes say “First Printing: October 1986”. Is this a mistype or are there 2 First Editions? --AndyjMo 09:17, 27 October 2017 (EDT)

Typo! Fast fingers, slow eyes ..... --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:58, 27 October 2017 (EDT)
I've changed the date to "December 1985". --AndyjMo 17:08, 27 October 2017 (EDT)
There are times when one should just accept the icy fingers of flu/death and stay in bed. And the extra caffeine really doesn't clear the vapor trail between the ears .......... glad you're paying attention .... --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:18, 27 October 2017 (EDT)
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