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Fathoms

Hello Chris. I stumbled upon an inconsistency in the notes of Fathoms, pub record you recently cloned: date and pub type are not in agreement with actual pub record data. Can you have a look? Thanks MagicUnk 01:06, 3 September 2019 (EDT)

Hi. Thanks for that. I forgot to change notes when i cloned. Data from Amazon and the latest Locus magazine.--Chris J 18:59, 3 September 2019 (EDT)

Tales of Mystery and Imagination

Hi Chris,

I was moving the Reginald-1 number to the External IDs in this one and saw the note about translations - sounds like this title is not supposed to be in English. Can you check what language that is supposed to be in so we can fix the record? From the publisher name, I would think Japanese but... verifying :) Thanks! Annie 16:31, 19 September 2019 (EDT)

Hi, Reginald doesn't say much but I have added the OCLC statement 'Text of stories in Japanese and English on opposite pages' --Chris J 17:21, 19 September 2019 (EDT)
Ah, so one of those double-language books. That makes sense. Thanks for checking and updating - and I should have thought of checking OCLC instead of bugging you. Annie 17:25, 19 September 2019 (EDT)

Reginald1 and cloth

Hi Chris,

I had been working on getting all of the Reginald numbers into their new spaces as external IDs (So then we can actually see what we are missing) and stumbled on these notes from you - and for most of these books the format is set to unknown. As far as I can tell from paging through Reginald1, he uses "cloth" for the clothbound hardcovers - which we record as hc. Is there a reason for that to be different for this set of books? Thanks! Annie 02:25, 21 September 2019 (EDT)

And we seen to have a few similar ones for paper - most of which are also yours. I am not sure if that means that there is a reason to think Reginald was wrong in the format or something else so thought I should come and ask :) Thanks! Annie 02:36, 21 September 2019 (EDT)
I don't know what happened there. I'm pretty careful in checking these. Somehow I missed these. I have since changed them all. Thanks for this --Chris J 16:08, 21 September 2019 (EDT)
Further to the above. Reginald1 didn't know the format so that is why I put that statement. I have changed a few that I missed or have since been changed by other mods--Chris J 16:19, 21 September 2019 (EDT)
Thanks for checking them again. :) Annie 16:25, 21 September 2019 (EDT)

Alice in Music Land

Chris, Regarding the 1952 edition P577280, the entire publication Note is yours from three years ago:
• A reprint of part of 'Alice in Orchestralia'.
Is Reginald1 the source for that? The cited WorldCat record suggests otherwise. I submit update that must be continued.
Wikipedia-EN makes this title the UK ed. of 1929 Marching Notes T2023502 and makes that a sequel to Orchestralia. For the latter work we have your publication record only, and don't have it as a variant nor in the Alice series.

Library of Congress record of a [1953] US ed. LCCN 53-9279 is uninformative.

Later I will consult historical newspapers online via university library subscription (NA here now). For all these Ernest La Prade works now, I simply add available LC and BL library records. --Pwendt|talk 18:24, 5 October 2019 (EDT)

Hi, No Reginald doesn't state it. I don't know where it came from so I have deleted it. Thanks --Chris J 18:31, 5 October 2019 (EDT)

Dream Weavers; Locus #234 (June 1980)

Chris, Our record of 1980 anthology The Dream Weavers T1102663 in its 1st ed. is not secondary verified so I doubt that it is one of yours. Is the first cited source "Info from Locus #234 (June 1980)" one that you are able to check?

The cited WorldCat record seems to report a third item by Rossetti, "Hand and soul", and the 2010 Borgo back cover states "Twelve stories of fantasy and romance ..." (viewed at Amazon) where we list only 11.

(Last hour I added the anthology Note simply by counting our list of Contents.) --Pwendt|talk 20:14, 11 November 2019 (EST)


Hi. No sorry I can't help. A bit too early for me --Chris J 20:57, 11 November 2019 (EST)
One of the verifiers of that issue is pretty active (Willem H.) so he may be able to get you what you need. Leave him a note? Annie 21:01, 11 November 2019 (EST)
The info from Locus #234 is limited to the pub data. It's in the books received section, and there's nothing about the contents. Not much help I'm afraid. --Willem 04:34, 12 November 2019 (EST)
Thanks. Because we have page numbers, not from either named source, I infer that they are from the Borgo Press reprint. Unfortunately that is a sloppy record (no source notes and subtitle mis-spelled "Rafaelites") and no one admits to verifying it. ...
... I find the anthology reported in The Supernatural Index, p. 991 (via search at Google Books). I expect to revise our records tomorrow if not today, a short day for me. --Pwendt|talk 13:17, 12 November 2019 (EST)
This is the book, right? My ILLs are pretty light this month, I can see if I can get it if that will help? Annie 13:34, 12 November 2019 (EST)
Unknown whether that will help.
Now I find the anthology at Google Books piecemeal (snippet view). I'll pursue that after a break. Evidently I should check Google Books for title pages and Contents lists of some latterday anthologies and collections, rather than check it only for The Supernatural Index reports. --Pwendt|talk 14:23, 12 November 2019 (EST)
Let me know if Google Books cannot find enough information and if so, I will ask the library to try to get the actual book for me from somewhere. Annie 14:24, 12 November 2019 (EST)
For this book, snippet views at Google Books are entirely adequate as far as I am interested to work on it. --not caring, for instance, whether the price is stated on the cover or there is a p[192] "last page unnumbered".
No page may be viewed entirely. But knowing the story titles and author surnames (either--or, I suppose), the entire Contents page can be viewed in multiple snippets. --Pwendt|talk 16:26, 12 November 2019 (EST)

The Tenth Girl : Sara Faring

Hi, you've just updated this pub and I've had a look at Locus Magazine #707 ToC here https://locusmag.com/2019/12/issue-707-table-of-contents-december-2019/ and I'm trying to understand how things work here. I can't find any reference to Faring :( Could you please explain? Thanks, Kev. BanjoKev 22:49, 2 December 2019 (EST)

Chiming in: it is in one of the Books Received lists. These contain enough information to create a new record or update an existing one - and tend to be better than Amazon for a lot of things and they list new printings often as well. Not available online as far as I know though. If it was reviewed, we would record it by adding the review to the issue of Locus (when we add them). I personally find this information to be important for a SF book so I keep it even when I verify. YMMV on that though.  :) Annie 23:00, 2 December 2019 (EST)
Thanks. Reading further, I see that they only have limited material from each (subscription) issue available free online. However, I did find this free page http://locusmag.com/category/archives/ covering archives 1997-2009. The spread is slightly different to the Locus Index 1984-2007 and it seems to have some good material. Kev. BanjoKev 23:52, 2 December 2019 (EST)
And I couldn't find it in the Books Recieved lists :) Kev. BanjoKev 23:54, 2 December 2019 (EST)
It is there in issue 707 (December 2019): Page 53, the middle of the first column, 6th book from the bottom. Annie 00:09, 3 December 2019 (EST)

Reginald3 check (and others)

Chris, In your talk Archive items initiated by myself, I find only 'Reginald' and 'Reginald1', so I may not have asked you about any Reginald3. Anyway, this Secondary Verification by Bluesman may be a typo as Reginald3 instead of Reginald1, P601804 (where 1869 is correct). If you are able to check that one: Does Reginald report 1867 publication?

Anyway, if you are not a Reginald3 user, then let us extend this list and I will try to remember not to ask you.

I have been going to Rtrace for Bleilers. --Pwendt|talk 14:27, 10 December 2019 (EST)

Hi, No I'm not a Reginald3 user. Reginald1 has this publication with the year as 1867.--Chris J 15:57, 10 December 2019 (EST)

Blue Lightning

Hi Chris,

This one had the number 03954 as both ASIN1 and Reginald-1. I cleaned it from the ASIN - did you mean to add it as Reginald-3 (I do not see a R3 verification but still) as well or was it a mistake? Annie 01:58, 19 December 2019 (EST)

Hi, It was a mistake. Reginald1 it is. Thanks.

Paradox #3, Autumn 2003

Hello Chris! You verified this pub and I'd like your help to see this: here, the interior art And Yet it Moves is credited to the astronomer Galileo Galilei. Could you see if this credit is right? Thanks, ErickSoares3 17:52, 8 January 2020 (EST)

Hi. Sorry I haven't answered as I was on unexpected sick duty. Locus states - And Yet It Moves · Kenneth B. Chiacchia · ss; from Siderius Nuncius.; illus. Galileo Galilei. I have since added from Siderius Nuncius --Chris J 19:48, 12 January 2020 (EST)

The Moon Hoax

Hi, Chris. I post both items also at User talk:Rtrace, with a third one.

  1. Concerning reported 1859 chapbook publication The Moon Hoax (with subtitle, containing novelette with title "Great ... Good Hope", viewed at Internet Archive) P211217, what do Bleiler and Reginald say about this publication and work? Especially concerning its previous publication in 1852 (and not in 1835). Our cited WorldCat record notes only concerning the novelette alone (and under a different title, we know from other sources): "First published in the New York Sun in August and September, 1835, from the supplement to the Edinburgh Journal of Science"--Page [7].
  2. Concerning reported 1852 chapbook publication The Moon Hoax (no subtitle, containing novelette with the same title) P211213, do you know anything of this work/publication? I guess that it may be inferred by you or Chris J from one of your sources on the 1859 above. From SFE3 list works of Richard Adams Locke (which does not imply credited), here is the only 1852 listing (quote in full): The Celebrated "Moon Story", its Origin and Incidents; with a Memoir of the Author, and an Appendix, Containing, I: An Authentic Description of the Moon; II: A New Theory of the Lunar Surface, in Relation to That of the Earth (New York: Bunnell and Price, 1852) [anth: contains original text plus additional material: compiled by William N Griggs: hb/]

Thanks in advance. --Pwendt|talk 21:59, 7 February 2020 (EST)

Hi, Reginald states exactly whats printed for P211217.No mention of a novelette. It states that it is a variant of the 1835 edition.--Chris J 22:12, 7 February 2020 (EST)
Do you mean "it" the chapbook is a variant of some 1835 chapbook, and Reginald does not attend to titles?
One thing that P211217 now reports is previous publication of as 1852 chapbook The Moon Hoax. Yesterday it reported 1835 chapbook The Moon Hoax, which I corrected to 1852 (relying on publication record #2, which I now suppose spurious). --Pwendt|talk 13:15, 8 February 2020 (EST)
Reginald states that the The Moon Hoax; or, a Discovery That the Moon Has a Vast Population of Human Beings, published by William Gowans, 1859, 63p, Paper, Story, is a retitled edition of Great Astronomical Discoveries Lately Made by Sir John Herschel at the Cape of Good Hope, no publisher, 1835, 28p, Paper,Story.--Chris J 15:30, 8 February 2020 (EST)
Thanks, Chris. Rtrace replied at about the same time, half-revised the 1852 record, and left further research to me. In progress. --Pwendt|talk 21:53, 8 February 2020 (EST)

The Encyclopedia of Fantasy - Clute

Hi Chris, in this pub, the second line in the Notes in my copy reads;

"First published in Great Britain by Orbit 1997"

Looks like a typo. Thanks, Kev. BanjoKev 17:30, 21 February 2020 (EST)

Hi Kev. Typo it is. My copy states 1997. I'll Change it. Thanks, Chris. --Chris J 17:38, 21 February 2020 (EST)

The Gates Wide Open

Hi, Chris. Do you have a source that places this book P617416 --or its 1858 parent novel-- in fiction series Peter Schlemihl (see the last two lines)? To me John Clute implies the opposite: SFE3 George Wood biog.

(You may not be the creator of that link. At the moment, we have both the parent NOVEL and "your" variant title explicitly in the series. As far as I know, I have not put any variant title records in fiction series and I have supposed that it is probably to be avoided.) --Pwendt|talk 20:25, 22 March 2020 (EDT)

Hi. Reginald says that The Gates Wide Open is a retitling of Future Life and they both are in the Peter Schlemihl series.--Chris J 21:33, 22 March 2020 (EDT)

Echopraxia - PW

Hi Chris, there's a better OCLC ref for the one you just added here - it has the page count - OCLC Number: 921822507. Thanks, Kev. BanjoKev 22:27, 28 March 2020 (EDT)

Hi Kev, done and thanks. --Chris J 22:34, 28 March 2020 (EDT)
Good one :) Kev. BanjoKev 22:47, 28 March 2020 (EDT)

Little, Big - John Crowley

Hi Chris, I see you're working your way through L now with Worldcat. May I ask why you chose this Worldcat ID, which has no page count, rather than this one that does? Thanks, Kev. BanjoKev 23:59, 10 April 2020 (EDT)

Hi Kev. The number I put has the book in 20 libraries around the world. The number you mentioned has it in 1 library in Sweden. Change it if you like. I'm going through the list because it has been sitting there a long time. --Chris J 00:09, 11 April 2020 (EDT)
Thanks Chris, I've amended it. Kev. BanjoKev 23:09, 12 April 2020 (EDT)

The Dancers at the End of Time

The Dancers at the End of Time has a prologue with a page number of "del". Did this version not have the prologue? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:42, 21 April 2020 (EDT)

Hi. I don't know what del means. My copy has the prologue starting on page vii. Have changed it. Thanks. --Chris J 17:14, 21 April 2020 (EDT)
Editors often use it to mean "delete" (i.e. remove from the pub). Looking at the edit history, it's something Bluesman did. Not sure what he was intending. Thanks for fixing. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:53, 21 April 2020 (EDT)

UK and formats

Hi Chris,

Hope you are doing well in these crazy times. I saw that you changed the format of this book to pb late last year (I just changed it again to tp). This is bigger than the standard UK B format (12.7 x 20.3 cm in this case) and Worldcat has it as 21 cm and even if it is not as big as a C format, it is still tp - anything higher than 19 cm is a tp really. Even if it is just a B format (196/198 mm x 129) it is still a standard paperback (so tp) and not pb - there is very little number of real pb books in the UK publishing these days and the price of £8.99 makes it extremely unlikely (although not impossible) to be a pb. Not sure why you changed it so stopped by to ask. I suspect too much time had passed but thought I will ask. :) Annie 21:13, 19 May 2020 (EDT)

Looking at the history, it seems like I changed it to tabloid and not to tp the first time around (from unknown)... oops. So you were really fixing it. Still not sure why pb though :) Annie 21:18, 19 May 2020 (EDT)
Hi Annie. It looks like a typo by Locus which I followed.--Chris J 21:23, 19 May 2020 (EDT)
Ah, I see. Should have realized that :) I am trying to clean up our faulty "pb" books and just stumbled on it. Thanks! Annie 21:26, 19 May 2020 (EDT)

The Ruin of Kings UK hc

Hi Chris, I'm ploughing through my lists of missing UK pubs, and I'm a bit confused by this record you created (via cloning) last year: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?718143 The ISBN listed is the same as the US pub, whereas there's actually a proper UK hc with a different ISBN: https://www.panmacmillan.com/authors/jenn-lyons/the-ruin-of-kings/9781509879489 (although slightly confusing in that they share the same final 3 digits). I can imagine Amazon UK having an import edition available, but obviously that wouldn't be published by Tor UK.

(The note mentions Locus, but FWIW I couldn't see anything on locusmag.com relating to the UK edition. I know there's loads of Locus content not on their site though, so perhaps that's not relevant.)

I appreciate it's almost exactly a year since that record was created, but can you recall anything that might be reason to not replace those details with the ones on the PanMac site (which are corroborated by Amazon UK, Blackwells and Waterstones), and instead create another pub record? Thanks! ErsatzCulture 11:46, 27 May 2020 (EDT)


Hi, Either I put the wrong ISBN or Locus had the wrong one. I have now changed it. Thanks for that. --Chris J 17:58, 27 May 2020 (EDT)
Cheers - it looks like my local library has a copy of this, so when (if?) it reopens I'll have to remember to take a look at it and check the details for a temp verification. ErsatzCulture 09:53, 28 May 2020 (EDT)

Question Quest

can you confirm cover image to Question Quest? Susan O'Fearna 19:48, 20 August 2020 (EDT)

Hi, No cover image shown. As it was a long time ago since I've seen the book I couldn't remember it anyway. Sorry. --Chris J 20:21, 20 August 2020 (EDT)

Ebooks

Hi Chris,

When adding e-books, can you please check Amazon.com (or UK - wherever it is from) and add the ASIN to the record (examples: here)? The Amazon APIs changed recently and we cannot get the ASIN/ISBN connection anymore via it for books added to Amazon after some time in April. As a result, the books you are adding come up via Fixer as AddPub ASIN ebooks - because the ASIN is not in the DB. This API change is why we are missing so many in the last months - still working out the kinks on working off the ASIN tables for these. :)

I know that you are somewhere down under and I know Amazon can be tricky - I will be more than happy to assist with adding these post your updates if you cannot see them -- just let me know and I will keep an eye for them. Thanks in advance! Annie 17:34, 11 September 2020 (EDT)

Hi Annie. I usually add the ASIN to Amazon titles if it is shown. I might miss the odd one. A couple of questions. Do we add the ASIN to Smashword titles? and do we add Smashword ISBN's to Amazon ebooks? --Chris J 19:38, 11 September 2020 (EDT)
Yeah, I know - I was clearing Del Rey 2020 ebooks earlier today and there was a string of them with no ASINs so I stopped by to drop a note :). As you sourced from the publisher site on all of them, I figured it may be an Amazon zones issue - thus the offer for assistance if needed.
Amazon and Smashword: Depends on how different the books are. If we add them as separate ebooks, then the Smashword ISBN e-book does not get an ASIN and the Kindle edition does not get the Smashword ISBN. If they are the same book, they get both and a note that it is in both formats (they can even get a B&N number of they were released for Kobo). If the copyright page says "eISBN" or "ebook ISBN" that usually means that all formats get it. Clear as mud, I know... just... use common sense and add comments so we can untangle later if needed. Annie 19:52, 11 September 2020 (EDT)

Hi. If you come across any authors with a lot of wrong ISBN's or ASIN's that I might have done, send me a list and i will will go through them again. --Chris J 21:26, 11 September 2020 (EDT)

Nah, they were just missing ASINs :) All sorted out now. Thanks Chris! Annie 21:34, 11 September 2020 (EDT)

Very Best of the Best: Dozois - TOC Question

Hi Chris J.

Upon looking at the listed TOC for the hardback version of "The Very Best of the Best...." (698105) by Gardner Dozois, I am seeing a TOC that does not match the hardback copy in my possession today. I checked, and the ISBN number from my hardback (from the library) does match what is shown for the Trade Paperback TOC for this book. My HB version also matches what I see on Amazon for the ebook TOC.

Looking at the TOC order listed in your last edit on this book, that sure looks correct. I'm at a loss for what might be going on here, and why the order shown does not match your approved edit. Regardless, I do think the TOC listed for the HB is incorrect.

Of course, it is vaguely possible that there could be other versions of this same hardback with the same ISBN with a different TOC, but that does not strike me as the most likely explanation.

I have never edited a TOC, but would be happy to do so if needed.

Thanks,

Dave

Hi Dave. It looks like the contents for the tp were taken from Amazon look inside and then copied to the hc. If anything is wrong feel free to change them. This is what this site is about and having the actual book is even better. If you need a hand let me know. --Chris J 17:19, 10 October 2020 (EDT)

Chris, thanks for the feedback. I'll get on this and give it a go and get it corrected per my paper TOC. If there is anything I can't figure out by looking at what is there already and in other help areas, I'll get help.

Dave Dave888 17:58, 10 October 2020 (EDT)

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