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Hello, Chris J, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out the community portal, or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! Mike Christie (talk) 06:17, 2 Feb 2007 (CST)


Hi, Chris! I have approved the latest batch of submissions, but I had to make a few minor corrections to the price fields. We enter US prices with a leading dollar ("$") sign to avoid ambiguity, so please enter them that way in the future. Thanks! Ahasuerus 16:13, 1 Feb 2007 (CST)

The Curse of Peladon

Re: your addition of The Curse of Peladon. You have the note "First edition, dated 1974 internally" but I'm not sure what that means. Could you please update the note to explain better how and where the date was stated? Thank you! Marc Kupper (talk) 02:45, 2 Feb 2007 (CST)

Doctor Who titles

Chris, you have submitted a number of Doctor Who books in the last hour or two. They all look good with one exception: 7 of them were done via "Add Publication to this Title", but the Title is actually different from the Title currently in the database. For example, here is the last submission so far:

Column 	Proposed Values
Title 	The Face of Evil
Authors 	Terrance Dicks
Tag 	-
Year 	1984-00-00
Publisher 	W. H. Allen
Pages 	126
Binding 	pb
PubType 	NOVEL
Isbn 	0426200063
Price 	£1.50
Artists 	Jeff Cummins
Image 	-
Note 	Title - DOCTOR WHO AND THE FACE OF EVIL. Stated - Reprinted 1979, 1980, 1982, 1983, 1984.

If the book has been published under 2 different titles, then we will want to enter them separately and then make one of them into a "Variant Title" of the other. On the other hand, if the title currently in the ISFDB is invalid or, in this case, incomplete, then we want to correct it. Could you please shed some light on this issue? Thanks! Ahasuerus 18:19, 2 Feb 2007 (CST)

Hi Ahasuerus, I hope I'm doing this right. All editions from 1978 to 1984 where called Doctor Who and The Face of Fear. The 1993 printing (published by Virgin was retitled doctor Who - The Face of Fear. --Chris J 19:57, 2 Feb 2007 (CST)
Thanks for the update! Did the other Doctor Who books that you submited have multiple titles as well? I'll go ahead and adjust this one for now. Ahasuerus 22:14, 2 Feb 2007 (CST)
Yes most of The Doctor Who (Target Books) had 2 titles. One for the W H Allen releases and one for the Virgin releases. The Virgin edition was usually the last release. Since I got your note I have been including all the info I have in the book notes. --Chris J 00:22, 3 Feb 2007 (CST)
Thanks for the clarification! I will approve and massage all 7 submissions based on this information shortly. Sorry about the delays, other things kept intefering. Ahasuerus 02:01, 4 Feb 2007 (CST)
OK, all 7 submissions have been approved and the Title/Publication data reconciled to the best of my ability. We will really need to take a closer look at the Doctor Who data at some point :-( It can be a rather time consuming project, though, as I discovered when I spent a few weeks cleaning up Warhammer/Warhammer 40K last June. Ahasuerus 23:11, 4 Feb 2007 (CST)
As I have heaps of Doctor Who books to put on I will leave it for a while until things are sorted out. I have lots of info about the different series if you need it. There is six main series to consider.

Using the Talk page

All you have to do is hit the "Edit" button at the top of the Talk page and type in your response :) Ahasuerus 19:32, 2 Feb 2007 (CST)

Hi Ahasuerus. Did you receive this. If so I'm doing something right.

--Chris J 20:37, 2 Feb 2007 (CST)

Oh yes, I can see your edits here! No worries, we all started using Wiki software at some point and made our share of mistakes :) Ahasuerus 22:14, 2 Feb 2007 (CST)

Who Killed Kennedy

Chris, I am looking at your submission of "Who Killed Kennedy" and wondering if the spelling of one of the artist's names is really "Slatter~Anderson"? Was that supposed to be a hyphen and not a tilde, by any chance? Thanks! Ahasuerus 23:13, 4 Feb 2007 (CST)

The book states Cover design: Slatter~Anderson. It is definitely a tilde. It appears on other books too. Are cover designers and photographers classed as artists?--Chris J 23:31, 4 Feb 2007 (CST)
oops - I saw the "Slatter~Anderson", figured I'd approve the publication as it was mostly correct while I'd then ask about "Slatter~Anderson" and see that a thread was already started. I removed this as a cover artist and instead added it as an INTERIORART. for lack of a better pigeonhole for exterior art. Marc Kupper (talk) 23:44, 4 Feb 2007 (CST)
Yes, I believe we are entering cover art designers as "INTERIORART" for now, although they are getting so common that we may want to have a separate category for them. I have made the same change to Who Killed Kennedy. Also, the entered ISBN had a leading "4" instead of a leading "0", which made it fail the checksum check. I have made a correction using the OCLC catalog. Could you please take a look at it when you have a chance and make sure that everything looks right? Thanks! Ahasuerus 00:39, 5 Feb 2007 (CST)
Yes everything looks good. I noticed you have got London:Doctor Who Books as publisher.--Chris J 01:03, 5 Feb 2007 (CST)
Generally, bibliographers try to indicate where the book was published in addition to stating the publisher's name. The main reason behind it is to distinguish between, say, "Bantam US" and "Bantam UK". We don't follow this rule religiously, although there have been some discussions about its pros and cons, especially in the current global book marketplace. In this particular case, the "London" bit comes from the OCLC catalog, but feel free to remove it if it's not stated in the book :) Ahasuerus

Seeress of Kell

Chris, you have submitted a price change for the 1992 reprint of this Eddings books. The Locus Index claims that the price of this edition (Corgi 0-552-13021-4) was £4.99, but I assume you have a copy that states £3.99, right? I wonder if the publisher jacked up the price some time in 1992 without changing the ISBN or anything else about the book? It has been known to happen, so perhaps it would be safer to Clone the publication and change the price of the clone. Ahasuerus 00:52, 5 Feb 2007 (CST)

Yes I have a copy which states £3.99. So will you reject the edit and I will clone it.--Chris J 00:56, 5 Feb 2007 (CST)
Done! :-) Ahasuerus 00:59, 5 Feb 2007 (CST)

Black Sun Rising

Chris, you submitted an update to Black Sun Rising where you

  • Changed the price from $5.99 to $6.99 - please note that you should have cloned the publication. I noticed the price change the instant I was hitting [Approve] and so went ahead with cloning this to make a copy that states $5.99 which was the price for the 1st printing.
  • You also changed the date from 1992-00-00 to 1992-09-00. You actually have an undated later printing. If you look at the copyright page it will say something like.
First paperback Printing, September 1992
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
In that case it would be a third printing and as we don't know the printing date you put 0000-00-00 in the year field. I usually will add a note that says something like "Undated 3rd printing. The copyright page states "First paperback Printing, September 1992 / 3 4 5 6 7 8 9" so that there will be as little ambiguity as possible about which edition this ISFDB record is for. Marc Kupper (talk) 02:51, 5 Feb 2007 (CST)
Hi Marc, It says First paperback Printing, September 1992
12 11. --Chris J 03:09, 5 Feb 2007 (CST)
Then it's an undated 11th printing. I went ahead with updating the publication to change the year to 0000-00-00 and added a note about the printing. Marc Kupper (talk) 04:04, 7 Feb 2007 (CST)

BTW - can you provide some extra details about this book for the DAW list? I already have the data from the publication record but would like to know.the following:

  • Is the DAW book # 864 stated on the front cover (under the DAW logo) or inside the front cover and on the copyright page as "DAW Book Collectors No."?
  • Can you see the code UE2527 on the ISBN/price line on the front cover or perhaps it's on the spine just under the logo?
  • Take a look at the spine with the book as though it's on a shelf (upright)
    • Is just ISBN printed sideways?
    • Or do you see the price normal and the ISBN sideways?
    • Or do you see both the price and ISBN normal.
    • Or is just the price stated normal (sometimes in a little white box)?
    • Take a look at the bottom of the copyright page just after the "12 11" printing #. Does it say "Printed in the U.S.A." or is it printed in Canada?

Thank you! Marc Kupper (talk) 05:00, 7 Feb 2007 (CST)

The DAW book #864 is on the front cover (under the DAW logo).
The code UE2527 is on the front cover above book price.
Both price and ISBN are normal on spine.
The book has on the copyright page after the "12 11" "Printed in the U.S.A." --Chris J 23:51, 8 Feb 2007 (CST)
Perfect! Thank you very much. This book can be used as an example of price changes as the paperback was first introduced at $5.99 with ISBN 0-88677-527-2 and then without changing the ISBN they raised the price to $6.99 by your 11th printing and these days is priced at $7.99 on Amazon with the same ISBN though I have not been to a bookstore to see what printing it's at. I just added an ISFDB record for $7.99 by cloning your $6.99 record, changing the price, and also adding a note explaining the source of the record. Marc Kupper (talk) 03:23, 9 Feb 2007 (CST)

The Siege of Faltara

You submited a publication update for The Siege of Faltara where you added the note "Stated. First Ace printing: November 1978." The puzzle is why you left the publication date as 1978-00-00 rather than changing it to 1978-11-00.

Note that at first I was uncertain if you had a first printing. The statement "First Ace printing: November 1978" is literally that and it does not state that *this* copy is the first printing. With Ace in those days the printing # is coded in the last digit of the 5-digit code. Usually for a first printing the code will end in 0 or 5. A second printing would end in 1 or 6, the third is 2 or 7, etc. Sometimes Ace starts at 1 or 6 though. I did a search for # 76340 or 0-441-76340-5 and was unable to find this.

Is the story copyright 1978? The reason I ask is if the story was printed by Ace before January 1969 then the first printing(s) would be under their letter code system and reprints after January 1969 would use a number code where the last digit is 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 depending on which printing this is. Marc Kupper (talk) 04:33, 7 Feb 2007 (CST)

The only numbers/letters are on the spine which are the bar code 0-44176341-3 followed by 195. The story is copyright 1978. --Chris J 18:43, 7 Feb 2007 (CST)
Ok, then let's assume it's a first printing. I went ahead with updating the publication to change the date from 1978-00-00 to 1978-11-00 to match when your note states. Marc Kupper (talk) 03:04, 9 Feb 2007 (CST)

Seeress of Kell, Demon Lord of Karanda, Sorceress of Darshiva

This is about three publication updates where you appear to be overwriting data that may belong to other editions.

  • Seeress of Kell - You are changing the price from L4.99 to £3.99 plus also adding the artist (Geoff Taylor) and the note "This book seems to have another ISBN as written inside which is 0-552-13853-3." My question is about the price change. It's quite common for publishers to keep the same ISBN as they raise the price. Thus I would have cloned the L4.99 record and edited the clone to match my publication.that to £3.99 unless you know that the publication could not have ever possibly existed at L4.99.
  • Demon Lord of Karanda - You are deleting the L11.95 price entirely and adding Geoff Taylor as the cover artist. Again, unless you know that it’s flat out impossible that a copy of the book could exist that states L11.95 (or £11.95) I would not change or delete the price and rather would clone the record and edit the clone.
  • Sorceress of Darshiva - You are deleting the L12.95 price entirely and adding Geoff Taylor as the cover artist. This is similar to Demon Lord of Karanda.

Marc Kupper (talk) 03:04, 9 Feb 2007 (CST)

Could you reject the three publication and i will clone these. Thanks. --Chris J 16:01, 9 Feb 2007 (CST)
Done - thank you! Marc Kupper (talk) 01:36, 10 Feb 2007 (CST)

The Chronicles of Amber

Chris, you have submitted Gollancz' trade paperback edition of The Chronicles of Amber as a 2003 Publication. According to OCLC (4 libraries reporting), this edition apppeared in 2000. Could you please check your edition? Also, just to be on the safe side, I assume that this edition includes the first 5 novels and not all 10 like that recent US monster reprint edition? Thanks! Ahasuerus 19:21, 9 Feb 2007 (CST)

Sorry about that but I knocked the enter button and it was too late to add further info.
This edition is published by Gollancz in 2003 (stated Third impression 2003). It is the Fantasy Masterworks edition No.6.ISBN 1-85798-726-8. It does include the first 5 novels.--Chris J 20:32, 9 Feb 2007 (CST)
Could you reject this novel and I'll do it again. Thanks. --Chris J 14:39, 11 Feb 2007 (CST)

Barker's plays

Chris, re: the collection of 3 plays by Clive Barker that you added Contents data to earlier today. Keep in mind that if you replace the "Collection" Title in the Content section with one of the constituent Titles (a play, in this case), the association between the edition ("Publication", in our parlance) and the book ("Title", in our parlance) will be lost. In the future, please add Contents Titles after the pre-existing Collection (or Anthology/Omnibus, as the case may be) Title. Thanks! Ahasuerus 19:24, 9 Feb 2007 (CST)

Doctor Who and The Crusaders

Doctor Who and The Crusaders - You added a note that says "Has Based on the... on cover." I was just curious. Does the cover actually say "Based on the..." or does it have "Based on the" and the "..." is more stuff that you did not include in the ISFDB note. FWIW - I know absolutely nothing about Dr. Who and for all I know "Based on the..." is an inside joke. Marc Kupper (talk) 01:34, 10 Feb 2007 (CST)

Written under the title is 'Based on the popular BBC television serial'.
The other copies/reprints didn't have this.
I have a large collection of Dr Who novels which I will be putting on gradually. I also have a lot of information about the different editions and reprints. --Chris J 04:10, 10 Feb 2007 (CST)
Whoops I forgot to mention that I have altered the notes to include the full sentence 'Based on the popular BBC television serial'. --Chris J 04:15, 10 Feb 2007 (CST)
Thank you Chris. The updated note makes a lot of sense and now I understand how "Based on the..." would be understood by the T show fans. Marc Kupper (talk) 15:54, 11 Feb 2007 (CST)

Wyndham W on back.

BTW - what's the significance of the "Wyndham W"? I've noticed you mention it in several of your publication notes. Marc Kupper (talk) 15:54, 11 Feb 2007 (CST)

Some of the reprints where exactly the same, except for W for Wyndham on the back. It helps sometimes to tell which edition is which. --Chris J 16:13, 11 Feb 2007 (CST)
Could you tell if the "W" is on the first printing, on the reprints, or if it's not related to first/reprint? Marc Kupper (talk) 18:20, 15 Feb 2007 (CST)
Sorry I haven't answered. The W seems to be on both first and reprint editions. I have put it on so editions can be identified. --Chris J 17:57, 21 Feb 2007 (CST)

Doctor Who

Hi Chris! I've been watching recent edits and see you're doing a lot of Doctor Who submissions - is this a special project? If so, I'll dig out my own collection (almost all old Target editions) and add those. If not, I'll just carry on with my favourite authors for a bit... BLongley 17:19, 11 Feb 2007 (CST)

Hi. My son and I have collected Dr Who books (novels and non fiction) for years. We must have approx. 400 items. As I am on holiday I thought I would start to put them on. Yes certainly dig your collection out. --Chris J 03:16, 12 Feb 2007 (CST)

Title deletes

Chris, you've submitted a couple of title deletes for "The Space War" and "The Power of Kroll" as they have the wrong author. Just curious: wouldn't it be better to just edit these to have the right author name? Is there something I'm missing here? Thanks -- Mike Christie (talk) 19:53, 11 Feb 2007 (CST)

Hi. Once they were deleted I was going to put the right info on because I wasn't too sure the program would recognize 2 books with the same title and different authors. If you will reject the edits I will redo both. Thanks. --Chris J 22:45, 11 Feb 2007 (CST)
OK, done. Thanks -- Mike Christie (talk) 07:17, 12 Feb 2007 (CST)

Deep Blue

Chris, you have submitted a price change for "Deep Blue", a 1999 Doctor Who book, from £4.99 to $5.95. Is the price really in dollars or was it a typo? Thanks! Ahasuerus 14:24, 14 Feb 2007 (CST)

Hi. It is $5.95. The novel had 3 prices in different currencies on it so i changed it thinking $USA was easier for users. --Chris J 14:55, 14 Feb 2007 (CST)
Ah, I see! Do you think you could add the other prices to the Notes field in the Publication record? That way there would be (hopefully) no confusion as to the price data in the future. Thanks! Ahasuerus 15:56, 14 Feb 2007 (CST)

Author Order

You tried to change "David Whitaker+Terrance Dicks" to "Terrance Dicks+David Whitaker". I approved the change but a heads up on that ISFDB does not maintain the author order and in fact if you make a change to one of the authors ISFDB will REVERSE the order of the authors on you. For example, if the authors are a1, a2, a3, a4 and you change a1 to be a1x you will find the new order is a4, a3, a2, a1x. Thus if there are two authors and they are already backwards then it's painful

  • David Whitaker, Terrance Dicks (these are backwards)
  • Edit the autors to be "David Whitaker, Terrance Dicksx" and ISFDB will give you "Terrance Dicksx, David Whitaker"
  • Edit the authors again to be "David Whitaker, Terrance Dicks" and ISFDB will give you "Terrance Dicks, David Whitaker"

The reason you need two edits is that the names are already backwards and for ISFDB to flip the names you need to both make some change to the names AND state them backwards. If you don't change anything the author list is not updated.

For now, I don't try to fix the author order and just really hope this gets fixed in the code. Some day, when author ordering gets added to ISFDB we'll have a massive project of going through all titles and publications with two or more authors and correcting the order. Marc Kupper (talk) 18:39, 15 Feb 2007 (CST)

Some updates on hold due to Web server errors

Chris, just an FYI that a few of your Doctor Who updates can't be approved at this time since they are causing the Web server to error out. The error has been reported to the ISFDB programmer and hopefully he will sort it out soon. Sorry about the inconvenience! Ahasuerus 01:58, 16 Feb 2007 (CST)

OK. Thanks for that.--Chris J 03:34, 16 Feb 2007 (CST)

Here's a list of what's on hold. Some of your stuff went though and these hang. Sorry about the ugly formatting - it's late for me.

Submission State Type Date/Time Submitter Subject
<a href="294121">294121</a> ON HOLD (Marc Kupper</a>) NewPub 2007-02-15 23:34:22 Chris J Doctor Who and The Daemons
<a href="294141">294141</a> ON HOLD (Marc Kupper</a>) NewPub 2007-02-15 23:35:13 Chris J Doctor Who and The Daemons
<a href="294251">294251</a> ON HOLD (Marc Kupper</a>) NewPub 2007-02-15 23:42:55 Chris J Doctor Who and The Cybermen
<a href="294371">294371</a> ON HOLD (Marc Kupper</a>) NewPub 2007-02-16 00:08:04 Chris J Doctor Who and The Daleks
<a href="294461">294461</a> ON HOLD (Marc Kupper</a>) NewPub 2007-02-16 00:21:58 Chris J Doctor Who and The Dalek Invasion of Ear
<a href="294471">294471</a> ON HOLD (Marc Kupper</a>) NewPub 2007-02-16 00:23:23 Chris J Doctor Who and The Dalek Invasion of Ear
<a href="294481">294481</a> ON HOLD (Marc Kupper</a>) NewPub 2007-02-16 00:24:24 Chris J Doctor Who and The Dalek Invasion of Ear
<a href="294551">294551</a> ON HOLD (Marc Kupper</a>) NewPub 2007-02-16 00:37:08 Chris J Doctor Who and The Deadly Assassin
<a href="294561">294561</a> ON HOLD (Marc Kupper</a>) NewPub 2007-02-16 00:37:45 Chris J Doctor Who and The Deadly Assassin
<a href="294571">294571</a> ON HOLD (Marc Kupper</a>) NewPub 2007-02-16 00:39:23 Chris J Doctor Who and The Deadly Assassin
<a href="294661">294661</a> ON HOLD (Marc Kupper</a>) NewPub 2007-02-16 00:53:48 Chris J Doctor Who and The Day of The Daleks
<a href="294671">294671</a> ON HOLD (Marc Kupper</a>) NewPub 2007-02-16 00:54:50 Chris J Doctor Who and The Day of The Daleks

Marc Kupper (talk) 04:29, 16 Feb 2007 (CST)

It turns out that the ISFDB application has run into a problem with too many Publication (edition) titles starting with "Doctor Who and The D". Oops! :) Al is currently working on this, thanks for your patience! Ahasuerus 12:49, 16 Feb 2007 (CST)
Chris - I see that Al fixed the issue early this morning and approved the updates listed above that had been on hold.
This is a good opportunity to ask something I had been meaning to do anyway. On the title pages of your books do all of them start out with “Doctor Who and The …?” or is that a convention for the front covers? Marc Kupper (talk) 13:34, 16 Feb 2007 (CST)
What I have put is what is on the covers and the copyright page. Some of the Doctor Who sites and others shorten the title and leave the DW off. Would you like me to shorten the book title but have the complete title under publications? --Chris J 16:14, 16 Feb 2007 (CST)
It seems like you are doing the right thing with using the full title though I can see why fan sites omit the "Dr. Who and the ". In ISFDB we use the title that's on the title page (I'm not sure if you meant the title page when you said "copyright page" or if you are also looking there). My own practice is I look at the front cover, sometimes the spine, title page, copyright page, etc. What's on the title page is what I put in ISFDB but if the titles are different I'll make a note of that in the comments. Sometimes I'll even add a variant title. For example, one of the Wollheim SF Anthology series uses "SF" on the front cover and "Science Fiction" on the title page meaning people are likely to be looking for the story under either title. The canonical title is the "Science Fiction" one as that's on the title page and "SF" would be a variant though documented as to exactly where each of the title variants (there's a third version on the spine...) are located. Marc Kupper (talk) 20:00, 16 Feb 2007 (CST)
It seems books 1 - 73 where called Doctor Who and Title. From books 74 on the titles where changed to Doctor Who - Title. I can change the titles of 1 - 73 to a shorter version if required. --Chris J 21:12, 16 Feb 2007 (CST)

The Giant Robot - pub taken over?

There is a publication update in the queue for a copy of The Giant Robot where it looks like you are hijacking an existing publication. Did you intend to do this meaning we will loose the record of the old publication? Here's what the change looks like - when there is a "-" in the right hand column it means the data is not changing (it's color coded meaning it's easy to see the changes but the colors did not get copy/pasted into the wiki):

Column Current [Record #125751] Proposed Changes

The Giant Robot

Doctor Who and The Giant Robot


Terrance Dicks









W. H. Allen


















Jeff Cummins

Peter Brookes






First edition. Illustration on back cover.

Marc Kupper (talk) 20:00, 16 Feb 2007 (CST)

As there is already a copy called Doctor Who and The Giant Robot aka The Giant Robot recorded with the same info I thought I would change this edition instead of deleting it. Is this allowed or do I have to change titles to have the same name and then merge? --Chris J 20:24, 16 Feb 2007 (CST)
No - that's fine - I just wanted to make sure that we were not accidentially wiping out an existing publication's data. As the original record was s a duplicate I've approved the update.
I also came over to the talk page to ask you about a similar pub-update where you were changing the ISBN for an already verified publication but I must have accidentially approved it and now I don't know which record it was. It's probably ok. In summary - when reviewing my biggest concern is data loss. Thus with clone publication I just do a quick glance to make sure the field layout looks good and approve as there's no chance of data loss (I check to see that the editor did not make changes to the content/title records). With edit-publication I will hold up and research changes to things like the ISBN or price as data is being lost (overwritten) and so I want to make sure that what we are losing is something that should be gotten rid of. So in a sense, using clone pub followed by a delete-pub with a note saying "duplicate publication" may be better because I auto-approve clone pub and for a regular editor such as you I will trust that you have in fact double checked that it was a duplicate and so I'd approve that too without needing to hold-review an edit-pub.
We have talked about adding a moderator-notes field much like the one for delete-pub so that when editors know they are about do do something strange that they can use the notes to give the reviewer a heads up. Marc Kupper (talk) 23:53, 16 Feb 2007 (CST)
Hi, I wonder if you can fix a couple of problems for me.
Clicking on the publication Doctor Who and The Space War (1979) by Malcolm Hulke goes to Doctor Who and The Terror of The Autons (1979) by Terrance Dicks.
Clicking on the publication Doctor Who and The Sea-Devils (1984) by Malcolm Hulke goes to Doctor Who and The Tenth Planet (1984) by Gerry Davis. It is also listed 5 times.--Chris J 18:25, 18 Feb 2007 (CST)

The Dead Men's Diaries

I can see one in the queue for this book, changing the title from "The Dead Man's Diaries" to "The Dead MeDiaries". I assume that's a typo?

If so I can let it through and massage it afterwards. Should it be "The Dead Man Diaries"? --Unapersson 14:49, 21 Feb 2007 (CST)

Yes it was a typo. It is "The Dead Men Diaries". If you could reject this and i will fix.
Also could you please fix this fault for me (I'm no to sure how to send messages to people).
The Doctor Who and The Sea-Devils by Malcolm Hulke (1979, 1980,1982, 1984) links when clicked on go to different books and authors. Thanks. --Chris J 16:21, 21 Feb 2007 (CST)
I've approved and then fixed it. I didn't want to make you have to enter all the stories again by rejecting it and fixing was easy enough.
As for the other problem, that looks like some corruption somewhere that I wouldn't even want to attempt to fix just yet. I'd add a mention of it to the community portal page so it can be picked up and investigated.

--Unapersson 17:03, 21 Feb 2007 (CST)

David Mcintee

Chris, you have sumbitted a pseudonym creation request ("David McIntee" as a pseudonym of "David A. McIntee"), which I have approved. If you pull up "David McIntee" now, you will see that there is a line at the top of the page to the effect that "David McIntee" has been used as a pseudonym by "David A. McIntee".

However, if you want Beautiful Monsters to show up as a "David A. McIntee" title which was published as by "David McIntee", you will need to pull up the Title and then click on "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work" and enter the canonical name (in this case "David A. McIntee") in the bottom half of the form. This may sound like unnecessary work since you have already marked "David McIntee" as a pseudonym of "David A. McIntee", but we have to do this to support pseudonyms shared by multiple people and "house name". Thanks! Ahasuerus 17:41, 21 Feb 2007 (CST)

Thanks, looks much better! :) I have also changed the Title and Publication record types for this book from NOVEL to NONFICTION, so it should be all set.
Please note that record types are often the same for book length Titles and Publications, e.g. NOVEL/NOVEL, COLLECTION/COLLECTION or ANTHOLOGY/ANTHOLOGY, but there are cases when they do not match, e.g. a NOVEL Title may have been printed in an OMNIBUS Publication. Ahasuerus 17:58, 21 Feb 2007 (CST)

Collected Works

Chris, I have approved you submission of Collected Works, but I was wondering if you could double check that all of the submitted stories -- including Nick Wallace's "Work In Progress" -- are "SHORTFICTION" and not "ESSAY"? Also, would you happen to have the page numbers for the included stories handy? Thanks! Ahasuerus 18:42, 21 Feb 2007 (CST)

Sorry no I don't have the page numbers and from all I can gather they are all short stories including 'Work in Progress' I looked at a number of sites to confirm this. --Chris J 20:01, 21 Feb 2007 (CST)
Well, we do what we can :) Thanks! Ahasuerus 22:13, 21 Feb 2007 (CST)

Star Trek the Next Generation

Chris, you have submitted a change to the Star Trek Next Generation Numbered sub-series of the Start Trek Next Generation series that would blank out its name. I put the submission on hold and then hit a wrong button, so it was accidentally approved. As a result, the sub-series name has disappeared -- see -- and it can no longer be edited. I will ask Al, the programmer, to fix the database manually and add an extra check in the software that would prevent this from happening in the future. For now, could you please refrain from editing/adding Star Trek the Next Generation books until the problem has been fixed? Thanks! Ahasuerus 19:46, 21 Feb 2007 (CST)

OK, the data has been fixed, but I rejected the submission for now since it was trying to make "The Death of Princes" volume #48 in the STNG series as opposed to volume 44, which is what all the online sources claim. Was that a typo or was there another numbering scheme used somewhere? Also, please note that we currently have a few subseries under the main STNG series: "Numbered", "Unnumbered", etc. It's not a very good breakdown and we will probably change it at some point, but we may want to discuss it over on the Community Portal (see the link on the left under "navigation") before we do anything drastic.
Something else re: John Peel. One of his series, "Diadem", has the same name as the much older series by Jo Clayton. If we let all books in the two series share the same series name, we would end up with a completely messed up series list, so I've changed Peel's series name to "Diadem (John Peel)" for now. Ahasuerus 01:12, 22 Feb 2007 (CST)

The DisContinuity Guide: The Unofficial Doctor Who Companion

Re: "The DisContinuity Guide: The Unofficial Doctor Who Companion", you have submitted a removal of the "Doctor Who Universe" series data from this Title. Is this because this is an "unofficial" guide? Are there more like it? If there are, perhaps, we could have them put into a subseries of their own under the main Doctor Who series? Ahasuerus 19:52, 21 Feb 2007 (CST)

There are a lot of books which are nonfiction and are reference/manuals etc about Dr Who. I was trying to separate this from the novels although they are still really under the "Doctor Who Universe" series. I thought by deleting it from the "Doctor Who Universe" it might have gone to nonfiction. But thinking on it now would it be better having a series called "Reference' under the "Doctor Who Universe" series. --Chris J 20:21, 21 Feb 2007 (CST)
Sure, I will create a subseries and call it "Doctor Who Reference Books". That way users won't get confused when they see a bunch of non-fiction books intermixed with novels. Ahasuerus 00:57, 22 Feb 2007 (CST)

Tony Abbott

I see that you are working on Tony_Abbott and had approved a title change plus conversion into an omnibus for Hidden Stairs and the Magic Carpet. I'm looking and wondering if that was the right thing to do. I think what happened is that The publication The Secrets of Droom was an omnibus that contained Hidden Stairs and the Magic Carpet and people had not yet entered the standalone books by that title. I need to run but will take a look when I get back as there are now multiple title records for the omnibus. Marc Kupper (talk) 16:26, 22 Feb 2007 (CST)

I'm back - I took a look and decided to deal with this by

  1. Creating an empty title record for Hidden Stairs and the Magic Carpet (book 1 of the series)
  2. Adding Hidden Stairs and the Magic Carpet back as part of the contents for The Secrets of Droom #1 (books 1-3) omnibus
  3. Merging the two The Secrets of Droom #1 (books 1-3) omnibus records.

I'm wondering if we should add a new Tag, "Ages 9-12" and drop all of these book into that. Marc Kupper (talk) 17:22, 22 Feb 2007 (CST)

Yes that seems a like a good idea. I'm tiding up 'Raymond Abrashkin' and his novels are for juvenile readers. I shall follow your lead. --Chris J 19:12, 22 Feb 2007 (CST)

Future Boston

Chris, you have submitted a Title type change for "Future Boston", "ANTHOLOGY" -> "NOVEL". 5 separate Amazon reviews (2 from professional reviewers) describe this book as an anthology of short stories written by 8 different writers. Are you sure you are not confusing this title with "In the Cube: A Novel of Future Boston", a David Alexander Smith novel? Thanks! Ahasuerus 17:17, 23 Feb 2007 (CST)

Sorry about that but you are right they are 2 different books. --Chris J 19:33, 23 Feb 2007 (CST)
No worries, I will reject it then :) Ahasuerus 21:43, 23 Feb 2007 (CST)

The Shadow series

Chris, I am afraid I approved your change from "Shadow" to "Shadows" without doing enough research first :( I should have remembered that Charles L. Grant edited a series of "Shadows" anthologies a while back. Now all the titles from the two series are listed together. Give me a few minutes to sort this out... Ahasuerus 00:43, 24 Feb 2007 (CST)

OK, I have split the "Shadows" mess into three separate series: "Shadows (Deborah Chester)", "Shadows (V. C. Andrews)" and just plain "Shadows" for Chrles L. Grant's anthologies. I hope this makes sense! As a general observation, we probably want to be extra careful when changing series names since it's easy to accidentally intrude in unrelated authors' areas. Ahasuerus 00:56, 24 Feb 2007 (CST)
Yes I see what you have done so I will do the same in future. Thanks. --Chris J 01:21, 24 Feb 2007 (CST)


I am looking at the submission that attempts to change V. C. Andrews' "Rose" to "Rosey" and I am wondering if I am missing something. There are over a hundred copies of V. C. Andrews' "Rose" on sale at, so it looks like a legitimate title. On the other hand, a search for "Rosey" by V. C. Andrews doesn't find any hits. Was it a typo of some sort, perhaps? Thanks! Ahasuerus 01:16, 24 Feb 2007 (CST)

I had a bit of trouble trying to merge the 2 titles so I thought I would try and change one of the names then delete. --Chris J 01:29, 24 Feb 2007 (CST)
OK, I think I see what's going on here. The underlying issue is that "V. C. Andrews" died year ago and her byline is now used by Andrew Neiderman. At some point Variant Title records for the pseudonymous titles were created and everything was fine. Then somebody -- possibly somebody who didn't know that "V. C. Andrews" was a pseudonym these days -- changed the Variant Titles for "Andrew Neiderman" to "V. C. Andrews", which caused problems in the database. Let's leave V. C. Andrews alone for now and I will get back to it on Monday and try to fix the relationships. Unfortunately, this is one of the more complex areas in the application and may take me a bit of time. Thanks! Ahasuerus 13:12, 24 Feb 2007 (CST)

Forgotten Realms

Chris, you just submitted an edit to change this title from a collection to a novel. The first review here, on Amazon, certainly makes it sound like a collection. Are you looking at a different copy that is presented as a novel? Mike Christie (talk) 15:14, 24 Feb 2007 (CST)

Yes you are right it is a collection. Thanks. --Chris J 16:14, 24 Feb 2007 (CST)
OK -- I went ahead and rejected it. Thanks Mike Christie (talk) 16:35, 24 Feb 2007 (CST)

Harpers - Series renaming

Chris, when trying to rename a series, you don't have to do it one book at a time. Just click on the Series name, then select "Series Data" on the left and change the Series name. Much easier and less error-prone that way :) Ahasuerus 00:00, 27 Feb 2007 (CST)

Forgotten Realms: The Wizards

Chris, you have submitted a Series name change from Forgotten Realms: The Wizards to Forgotten Realms: The The Wizards. Is this, perchance, a typo? Ahasuerus 00:53, 28 Feb 2007 (CST)

Yes it must be a typo as I can't recall why I did it. Sorry.--Chris J 03:40, 28 Feb 2007 (CST)
No problem, all fixed! Ahasuerus 00:17, 1 Mar 2007 (CST)


FYI, I have accidentally approved your submission that changed Darren Astles' Dominion to X-Universe Volume One and then had to restore the title. Please note that Astles' novel is Dominion while the omnibus that it appeared in (along with Steve Miller's Rogues Testament) is X-Universe Volume One. Both are displayed in his bibliography. Confusing, I know :) Ahasuerus 19:08, 1 Mar 2007 (CST)

Chaz Brenchley

Chris, I've accepted all your title changes and gone in and shifted things around a bit to achieve what I think you were trying to do. --Unapersson 16:10, 3 Mar 2007 (CST)

Yes that's excellent. Thanks. --Chris J 02:09, 4 Mar 2007 (CST)

A Nomad of the Time Streams

Chris, can you check your Nomad of the Time Streams pub? The date is in as 0199-00-00. Thanks. --Unapersson 16:37, 4 Mar 2007 (CST)

Done. --Chris J 22:47, 4 Mar 2007 (CST)

Dark Tyrants: A Vampire: The Dark Ages Anthology

Re: Dark Tyrants: A Vampire: The Dark Ages Anthology, I checked the Locus Index and found a couple of discrepancies, including the ISBN ("1-56504-888" vs. "1-56504-888-1" in Locus) and the original publication date (1999-03-00 vs. 1997-00-00 in Locus). Could you please compare what Locus has with your copy and post the results here? Thanks! Ahasuerus 01:24, 6 Mar 2007 (CST)

The ISBN is 1-56504-888-1 and the publication date is 1999-03-00 (a reprint)as stated in locus (under Fiction 1999). Amazon have both copies pictured. --Chris J 02:05, 6 Mar 2007 (CST)
Thanks, approved and corrected now :) Ahasuerus 10:31, 6 Mar 2007 (CST)

Isaac Asimov’s Utopia

I've approved the addition of Isaac Asimov’s Utopia but there are a couple of corrections needed.

  1. There is a period at the end of the title. If that's stated in your publication it may be a good idea to add a note explaining that's the way it is and that it's not a copy/paste or data entry error.
  2. You put "0-441-00471-7" in the price field. I suspect you cloned a publication and that 3404242734 is the old ISBN and you intended to overwrite this with "0-441-00471-7" but I it'll be a chance for you to fill in the price. Marc Kupper (talk) 03:56, 7 Mar 2007 (CST)

Sorry about that. All corrections done. --Chris J 13:15, 7 Mar 2007 (CST)

Kage Baker, On Company Time

Chris, I've put this on hold because I'm under the impression that it's an omnibus of two previously published novels. Could you check it, please? (Scott Latham 15:36, 9 Mar 2007 (CST))

Yes it is an omnibus of two previously published novels (In the Garden of Iden and Sky Coyote). --Chris J 16:55, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)
Thanks much - I've approved it and added its contents. Please verify that I've got it right. (Scott Latham 18:21, 9 Mar 2007 (CST))
Yes all OK. --Chris J 03:39, 10 Mar 2007 (CST)


I approved the update to MAM1SLVH1999 but one thing I wondered about is the price change from $23 to $24. It's common for publishers to increase the price and to keep the ISBN the same meaning it's possible editions exist at both prices and given the book came out in 1999 and is still active on Amazon I'd suspect it's been sold at several price levels. With that in mind I cloned the publication and added a second record at $23.00. Marc Kupper (talk) 00:28, 10 Mar 2007 (CST)

1999 edition of The Illustrated Man

I have approved this submission, but I was wondering about the price. $3.95 is awfully low for a hardcover published in 1999 :) Could you please doube check it? Thanks! Ahasuerus 14:16, 10 Mar 2007 (CST)

I cloned this copy and must have left the price in by mistake. I have since deleted price as I have no price to add. --Chris J 15:36, 10 Mar 2007 (CST)
Thanks, it looks much better now! :) Ahasuerus 15:45, 10 Mar 2007 (CST)

Highlander Universe

We had a problem with two nested Series with the same name. I had to move some things around, but it looks better now :) Ahasuerus 20:47, 11 Mar 2007 (CST)

Pontypool Changes Everything

Chris, could you please clarify why you entered Pontypool Changes Everything as 1999-00-00 and then added a note about it being "dated 1998"? Wouldn't that make it a 1998 book? Thanks! Ahasuerus 05:55, 12 Mar 2007 (CST)

It is a 1998 novel. I checked on Locus and it said that it had not been seen until 1999. --Chris J 13:38, 12 Mar 2007 (CDT)

The Land That Time For--Chris J 13:44, 12 Mar 2007 (CDT)got

Could you please check whether this edition of The Land That Time Forgot is a reprint of the original 1918 novel or whether it contains all 3 novels in the Caspak series as subsequent reprints often did? The fact that it has 428 pages suggests the latter :) Ahasuerus 05:59, 12 Mar 2007 (CST)

I looked up Locus and it stated this edition was a reprint of the McClurg 1924 edition which contained the 3 novels. --Chris J 13:44, 12 Mar 2007 (CDT)

T. Davis Bunn/Thomas Locke

Re: the proposed title additions and pseudonym changes to the 1999 Betany House edition of The Dream Voyagers, could you please clarify whether the book was published as by "T. Davis Bunn" or as by "Thomas Locke"? We will want to enter the data as it appears in the book and then we can set up Variant Title relationships. Thanks! Ahasuerus 17:51, 13 Mar 2007 (CDT)

Locus and WorldCat have it as T. Davis Bunn. A picture on Amazon has it as T. Davis Bunn with in smaller writting under the title 'First published under the pen name of Thomas Locke'. What is written inside I don't know. --Chris J 22:06, 13 Mar 2007 (CDT)
OK, I see what's going on. We had the series under the pseudonym that he originally used and there was some confusion with the titles. Since the author is much better known as "Bunn" outside of SF, I had to reverse one Variant Title and create a bunch of new ones. Unfortunately, I don't think there is a way to delete Pseudonym pointers, so I can't reverse that for now. We'll have to wait for Al to come back and fix it for us. The fun never stops :) Ahasuerus 00:24, 14 Mar 2007 (CDT)

Out of the Dark, Volume Two: Diversions

Quick question: Is the price of this volume $49.50 or $49.95 as indicated in the Locus Index? Ahasuerus 23:00, 13 Mar 2007 (CDT)

$49.95. I must be going blind. --Chris J 23:13, 13 Mar 2007 (CDT)
No worries! Transcription errors happen all the time -- at least we are not writing prescriptions here :) I have corrected the price and added Lamb's intro, so we should be all set for now. Ahasuerus 23:34, 13 Mar 2007 (CDT)

The Hand That Feeds

Re: the proposed change from Shortfiction to Novel, how confident are we that this 64 page paperback's word count is high enough to make it a novel according to our current definitions? Ahasuerus 21:25, 15 Mar 2007 (CDT)

I tried to clone this publication to add 2 reprints and a error message said 'This publication is not in a cloneable state' so I thought if I changed it it might work. --Chris J 23:36, 15 Mar 2007 (CDT)
Ah, I see. It looks like the cloning logic didn't believe that a Novel Publication record could legitimately contain a Shortfiction Title and nothing but. Which does make a certain amount of sense, I suppose. I have changed the Publication Type from Novel to Chapterbook and now it can be cloned and otherwise massaged. Clone away! :) Ahasuerus 00:25, 16 Mar 2007 (CDT)

A Thousand Words for Stranger

Chris, I see that you have proposed to delete the ISBN (1568656238) from the SFBC edition of Julie E. Czerneda's A Thousand Words for Stranger. Are you sure there is no ISBN stated anywhere in your copy? Have you checked the dust jacket etc? The reason I am asking is that this ISBN is listed by OCLC and 9 different Internet booksellers and they can't be all having the same hallucination unless they are trapped in a Phil Dick novel :) Also, how confident are we that the SFBC edition was printed in 1998 and not in December 1997 as currently stated? Thanks! Ahasuerus 23:09, 15 Mar 2007 (CDT)

I found The ISBN to match the Daw edition but not the SFBC and as for the date I got that off WorldCat. --Chris J 23:45, 15 Mar 2007 (CDT)
Was there a DAW hardcover edition? I thought it was an original paperback, which was quickly picked up by SFBC? Here is what the OCLC catalog says:
A Thousand Words For Stranger 
Czerneda, Julie, 1955-  / Julie E. Czerneda. 
Edition: [Book club ed.]  
Date: c1997. 
Language: English 
Description: 366 p. :—22 cm. 
Publisher: New York, NY : DAW Books, c1997. 
ISBN: 1568656238 0886777690 (pbk.)
OCLC: 37603809 
It looks like the first ISBN is for the SFBC edition and the second one for the DAW paperback. Interestingly enough, The Locus Index only mentiones the DAW paperback and not the SFBC (or DAW) hardcover. Ahasuerus 00:35, 16 Mar 2007 (CDT)

"tp" vs. "pb"

I have noticed that you occasionally use "tp" on books in the $5.99-$6.99 price range, usually from White Wolf. This suggests that you are using the publishing world's definition of a "trade paperback", i.e. a book that is not strippable, but rather returnable to the publisher. "Trade paperbacks" in this sense include some small size paperbacks from White Wolf and certain other publishers. Conversely, there are some oversize paperbacks that are strippable.

Keep in mind that we don't use this convention within the ISFDB, in part because it would probably confuse over 95% of our users who are not familiar with the publishing business. We use physical dimensions to determine whether a book is a pb or a tp. As our Help pages currently state: "tp - Trade paperback. Used for anything significantly larger than a paperback. 7.5" x 5" is a common size, but there exist many variant sizes larger than this, all of these should be simply recorded as "tp"."

It's not a huge deal since it's easy to write a script that finds all supposed tp Publication records published in the 1990s and 2000s where price is under, say, $8.00, but it would be easier not to introduce these issues in the first place :) Ahasuerus 23:30, 15 Mar 2007 (CDT)

Price Changes

Please note that it's been a common publisher practice since 1980 to keep the same ISBN for a book as they increase the price. You had entered publication updates for the following:

  • 53443 Visitors - You changed the price from $5.99 to $4.99 (and the page count from 176 to 163) - You may have a copy at $4.99 but I see that it's available on Amazon for $5.99 and thus both prices are valid. I accepted the update but then cloned it to create the $4.99 copy and edited the original record back to $5.99 so that if someone had deep-linked they will still be pointing at the $5.99 copy.
  • 13787 First Evidence - You changed the price from $22.95 to $23.95. In this case it's a 1999 book that may well have been priced at $22.95 or lower and is currently on Amazon at $23.95. Again I accepted it, cloned the record to create a copy that has what you wanted, and edited the original record back to $22.95.
  • 31248 Sons of Entropy - You changed the price from $6.99 to $5.99. With this one it's not in print (no "new" price from but Amazon offers a "Look Inside" of the publication and you can see that a $6.99 publication exists. Again I approved the update, cloned it, and edited the original record's price back to $6.99.
  • 15333 Ghost Roads - You changed the price from $6.99 to $5.99. In this case Amazon is has copies at $6.99 and the "Look Inside" confirms this exists and so I approved, cloned, and edited this one too so that there are publication records at both prices.

If you are making updates based on physical copies then please also add to the notes section a comment on the printing # which is usually available via a number line. Also, most newer books to not state the printing date for later editions meaning we use 0000-00-00 for those. Marc Kupper (talk) 20:25, 22 Mar 2007 (CDT)

Future Crimes

I see you're trying to update the title on this one to "Future Crimes (Greenberg)", is there a reason for that? I won't reject it because there are lots of content editions, but am tempted to go in and revert this change afterwards. --Unapersson 05:26, 24 Mar 2007 (CDT)

As there were 2 titles with the same name I put the 'Greenberg' for my reference while I was working on it and realized I had sent it and was too late to delete it. Please delete it. Thanks. --Chris J 06:40, 24 Mar 2007 (CDT)

Buffy series numbers

Chris, I see you're deleting some series numbers on Buffy books. I assume you have a plan here, so I'm going to approve these; let me know if this wasn't what you intended to do. Mike Christie (talk) 17:25, 24 Mar 2007 (CDT)

I looked at different sites and the majority didn't show numbers so I thought it best to forget the numbers for now and rely on dates for order.
--Chris J 04:45, 25 Mar 2007 (CDT)


I approved the title update to 30930 from Stonewalkers (Mystery and Suspense) to The Stonewalkers but then updated the title to Stonewalkers as the single publication is titled Stonewalkers both in ISFDB and 0440981980. Marc Kupper (talk) 11:58, 29 Mar 2007 (CDT)

A couple of reminders

Chris, a couple of reminders based on the last batch of submissions.

When entering introductions, you occasionally enter them as type EDITOR as opposed to ESSAY. Also, when entering the contents of an existing collection or anthology, please add the stories after the existing COLLECTION or ANTHOLOGY record in the Contents section. When you replace the pre-existing record with the first story in the collection/anthology, it deletes the main Title record for the collection/anthology and the book no longer appears in the author's bibliography.

I have already corrected the last batch of submissions, so there isn't anything that needs immediate attention, but I just wanted to raise these issues for future reference. Thanks for all the work on the database! :) Ahasuerus 03:42, 6 Apr 2007 (CDT)

New collection publications

Chris, I've put a few of these on hold as there are previous publications that list all the contents of the collections. Would it not be easier to clone one of these and fix the publication details rather than create a new publication then manually add/merge the contents? --Unapersson 04:42, 6 Apr 2007 (CDT)

Yes it would be much easier as I have done it before. I don't know why I didn't do it in the first place. If you could reject them I will do them again. Thanks. --Chris J 17:49, 6 Apr 2007 (CDT)
I rejected two and accidentally approved the other (itchy trigger finger), which I guess you can remove as a duplicate once you've cloned the one with contents. --Unapersson 19:17, 6 Apr 2007 (CDT)

Doctor Who again

Seeing as I'm on holiday, I finally dragged out my copies (well, most of them) and had a good editing session. I think I've figured out the Universal-Tandem, Tandem and Wyndham differences, but I think I'll have another run-through as some of the dates and art-credits were far more accurate than I could tell from the actual pubs. :-/ Anyway, I stepped on your verifications in a few places so I thought I'd point them out and let you scold me if I'm doing something wrong;-)

I added interior art to Terror of The Autons but if you know the back-cover artist please add it. And I see you verified the previous year's publication - was it really a page shorter?

My Day of The Daleks has artwork too, does yours? Ditto with The Sea-Devils, The Green Death, The Cave-Monsters, The Abominable Snowmen, The Doomsday Weapon and the Curse of Peladon.

Oh, and my Day of The Daleks had a significantly different page-count too, can you check that?

"Zarbi", "Crusaders" and "Daleks" all had artwork too, which I think is carried forward from the 1964/1965 Frederick Muller printings, but we don't have those yet and I'm going to do some more research.

Apart from that - good work! (I'm sure someone will point out that all the "and The" titles should actually be "and the" but as all the searches are case-insensitive I've never worried about it too much. ;-) )

BLongley 16:31, 10 Apr 2007 (CDT)

I'm on holiday next week so I will check these copies out and fix any mistakes and add anything if I can. I had just started using the database when I did Dr Who so I was a bit green so all help and comments are welcome.
If I find out who did the back covers do I put it under notes?
With the titles on the front page and inside most are "and The" and not "and the" so shouldn't I use what is on the cover.
Let me please know if you find any more mistakes or further info about Dr Who books. Thanks. --Chris J 15:39, 11 Apr 2007 (CDT)
For back covers, use an INTERIORART entry with a page number of 'bc'. (Inside front cover and inside back cover and other special cases are less intuitive, see EditPub help text.)
As for titles, NewNovel help text explains "regularization" - Case. Titles should have case regularized unless there is some specific evidence that the author intended certain letters to be in a specific case. For example, if the title is "EXTRO" in all caps, the title should be entered as "Extro". This applies to the titles of short stories as well as books. Typesetting style is not important; for example, Fantastic Universe typically printed story titles in lower case, but these titles are regularized for the ISFDB. Regularized case means that the first word is capitalized, and all later words are also capitalized except for "and", "the", "a", "an", "for", "of", "in", "on", "by", "at", "from", and "to". Hyphenated words have the first letter after the hyphen capitalized.
I'm not bothered enough to go fix all the ones there, but usually do 'correct' them when I'm working on a title or publication for another reason. BLongley 06:05, 13 Apr 2007 (CDT)

Clive Barker's Books of Blood

Re: the proposed change to Clive Barker's Books of Blood (1987) that would turn it into Clive Barker's Books of Blood, Vols. I-III, are we sure that the current titles doesn't exist? The Locus Index seems to suggest that there have been reprints that that were entitled simply Clive Barker's Books of Blood. Or am I reading it wrong? Ahasuerus 02:42, 14 Apr 2007 (CDT)

Some book sites have the books down as Clive Barker's Books of Blood while other sites have the same books down as Clive Barker's Books of Blood, Vols. I-III (even some of the libraries differ) and as there are no cover photos to read the correct titles my idea was to lump them altogether till someone can verify them. Under "Clive Barker's Books of Blood, Vols. I-III" now there are 4 different publication names. It might be best if you reject the change until someone can sort out the correct titles. --Chris J 04:34, 14 Apr 2007 (CDT)
Two pubs under "Clive Barker's Books of Blood" look completely invalid, they've got 999 ISBNs. The other has the cover image for "Books of Blood: 2" but wrong for a 1988 publication of it and missing lots of data. I'd say delete all three as none of them look right to me. --Unapersson 07:50, 14 Apr 2007 (CDT)
I have deleted the 999s and found some data re: the 1988 Publication. Apparently the latter was a "Warner UK" edition of "Book 2" only which was reprinted again in 1993. Also, there is at least one omnibus edition of all 6 "Books of Blood", but the one that I found in OCLC and the Locus Index was published in 2001. I have moved things around and rejected the original submission, so we should be in better shape now. Ahasuerus 17:12, 14 Apr 2007 (CDT)
I'd thought an omnibus might exist somewhere. I don't think anything is right about the 1988 edition of this one though. I have got the 1989 Sphere edition which was printed in 1988. Warner probably did do a reprint, but it would have been later than 1988, I did think Warner Books would have been used as the publisher name until about 1991. I probably do have some of those reprints stashed away so I will look for them. I've seen this problem a few times with data imported from Amazon. Where a name the publisher used later (possibly because of being taken over) is stamped on a much earlier book, i.e. 1980s HarperCollins books for Granada or Grafton. I'm going to make a note on the community portal about this. --Unapersson 02:54, 15 Apr 2007 (CDT)
Ah, so that's what that "reprinted in 1993" business was all about! Thanks, I will update the Publication date accordingly. Ahasuerus 12:43, 15 Apr 2007 (CDT)

The Revenge of the Wizard's Ghost by John Bellairs

Your submission of this title indicated Penguin/Puffin as the publisher. OCLC shows the ISBN you provided was the same title but published by Bantam Skylark in 1986. They show Penguin published this title in 1997 with the ISBN as 0140380434. Can you please double check if you're entering from the book itself? Thanks! Mhhutchins 20:32, 16 Apr 2007 (CDT)

The Penguin/Puffin (1997) ISBN should be 0-14-038043-4. I forgot to change the ISBN when I cloned the copy. --Chris J 22:43, 16 Apr 2007 (CDT)

Galloping Galaxies!

Chris, do you have the ISBN for this one. The price has come through twice (in price and ISBN fields). I can then tweak it after accepting the submission. --Unapersson 14:40, 20 Apr 2007 (CDT)

Sorry about that. ISBN is 0-426-20296-1. --Chris J 15:30, 20 Apr 2007 (CDT)
No problem, Chris. That's tweaked. --Unapersson 16:09, 22 Apr 2007 (CDT)

Submission #5,000

Congratulations on your 5,000th submission and thanks for all the hard work! :) Ahasuerus 17:16, 20 Apr 2007 (CDT)

The Hiding Game by Jane Brindle

Can you please double-check the number of pages in this publication? OCLC states the book has 320 pages. They've been wrong, but I just wanted to make sure. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:36, 21 Apr 2007 (CDT)

As I do not have a copy of this edition I got most of the data from Locus and from The Worcestershire County Council Library per WorldCat. Both state 216 pages. I will let you decide which you think is right. --Chris J 02:36, 22 Apr 2007 (CDT)
I've seen two other sources that indicate 320 pp. and another that states 216. Because of the conflict, and with no verification, I'm accepting the submission and removing any indication of page count. Thanks. Mhhutchins 13:37, 22 Apr 2007 (CDT)
Why not add a pub note explaining the conflicting page counts. This would also head off someone down the road being "helpful" in that they see the blank and they fill in the page count from some unknown source. Marc Kupper (talk) 03:32, 14 May 2007 (CDT)

Taltos the Assassin

I have approved the submission, but I was wondering how confident we are that Taltos the Assassin was published in 1990 and not in February 1991 as the Locus Index claims? Ahasuerus 09:29, 23 Apr 2007 (CDT)

Yes Locus has it at Feb 1991 but when I checked libraries they state 1990 as well as some book sites. --Chris J 19:34, 23 Apr 2007 (CDT)
Ah, I see. I have checked the 6 British library catalogs that Worldcat links to and they all say 1990, so I have added a note to the record and left it as 1990. Thanks! Ahasuerus 22:49, 23 Apr 2007 (CDT)
Yes, it's definitely 1990 - I have a (battered) first edition in front of me. I'll verify it tomorrow, but the pagination needs work - it's more like 239+209+214, but I need to find out if the various Prologues and Introductions are included in other editions. BLongley 16:34, 30 Apr 2007 (CDT)
Verified. I left details of the prologues and introductions out as it's impossible to put page numbers to them in the normal way, and no other pub has them. I'll be keeping the book around if anyone wants them later. BLongley 14:57, 2 May 2007 (CDT)

L. Ron Hubbard Presents Writers of the Future, Volume VII

You want to update publication 19764 and change

  • The date from 1991-00-00 to 1995-00-00
  • The Publisher from Bridge to New Era
  • The page count from 459 to 461
  • The ISBN from 0884046419 to 1870451600
  • The price from $5.95 to £4.99

My question is why you didn't use clone-publication for this? The existing publication record looks quite valid and is on 0884046419 . In fact - the record could be cloned and twice with one copy being for the current $7.99 price. Marc Kupper (talk) 03:47, 25 Apr 2007 (CDT)

Copy cloned to new Era 1995. As for not using the clone-publication before, I slipped up somewhere. --Chris J 17:26, 25 Apr 2007 (CDT)
Thank you Chris - I went ahead with rejecting the original submission. Marc Kupper (talk) 22:45, 26 Apr 2007 (CDT)

Merging short fiction titles

Chris, I have approved the last batch of submissions, but I had to go back and restore the "short story" and "novelette" fields for 3 or 4 titles after they were overwritten by the merge. Please keep in mind that some duplicate titles will not have this data on file while others will. Thus, when merging short fiction titles, it is important to try to preserve this information and not let it fall through the cracks. Thanks! :) Ahasuerus 19:04, 4 May 2007 (CDT)

Fantastic Worlds

I have approved Fantastic Worlds, but given the price ($A14.95), I was wondering if it is a "pb" or a "tp"? Thanks! Ahasuerus 01:43, 11 May 2007 (CDT)

I have looked everywhere and can't find any more info on this book but I would say the price would be for a tp. The price seems right for a 1999 book in this part of the world. I have resent edit in. --Chris J 16:05, 11 May 2007 (CDT)

Back of Town Blues and the "Alex Duncan" series

Just a quick check to see if D. G. Compton's "Alex Duncan" series is spelled "Alec Duncan" as OCLC claims? Ahasuerus 12:04, 11 May 2007 (CDT)

It is "Alec Duncan". I have changed. --Chris J 16:12, 11 May 2007 (CDT)

Stonewords: A Ghost Story

Chris, you submitted a title update for 30931 but the record no longer exists and may have been merged. The available data is

  • Title: Stonewords: A Ghost Story
  • Series: Stonewords
  • Seriesnum: 1

Those fields are the ones you tried to change and the title record would have had other fields such as the author's name. I suspect, if it's not already done, that you may need to reapply these changes as this submission was lost. Marc Kupper (talk) 12:20, 11 May 2007 (CDT)

Done. --Chris J 16:17, 11 May 2007 (CDT)

Bruce Coville's Book of Aliens: Tales to Warp Your Mind

I approved your update to publication 77861 but one concern was the change of the price from $3.99 to $2.95. 0590461621 has a Look Inside where you can see $3.99 on the front cover (sideways on the left side). I'd clone your pub for for the $3.99 edition now but also wanted to ask if your copy credits John Pierard (on the back cover) for interior artwork. If so, we can add the interior artwork and then clone it for $3.99.

Basically, price changes always trigger a hold/research as I've found it common since 1980 for publishers to keep the same ISBN as they increase the price. Marc Kupper (talk) 03:41, 14 May 2007 (CDT)

Price was $3.99. so i have sent an edit in with price change and interior artwork by John Pierard. --Chris J 17:17, 14 May 2007 (CDT)
Are we sure that the 1994 edition wasn't $2.95? I can't figure out Scholastic's printing number line (third printing in 1999?) but this appears to be a later printing. As Mark says above, perhaps we should clone an edition at $3.99 with an unknown date, but with a note indicating the printing number (if anyone can verify that from the Amazon Look Inside.) Mhhutchins 18:14, 14 May 2007 (CDT)
Chris - you wrote "Price was $3.99. so i have sent an edit in with price change and interior artwork by John Pierard". The publication record is 77861 but it's still $2.95 and no interior art either and so I'm confused as if if your copy is $2.95 or $3.99 and if it's $3.99 where the $2.95 price came from. I see that someone added a UK edition at £2.99.
Mhhutchins - you wrote "I can't figure out Scholastic's printing number line" - As the copyright page is not in the Look Inside I'm guessing you have a copy of the publication? Or do you mean that "RL5 010-012" at the bottom of the back cover? I believe that's Reading Level 5 (5th grade) for ages 10 to 12. Marc Kupper (talk) 23:55, 14 May 2007 (CDT)
The edit for the change to $3.99 and the interior art is still in my pending list awaiting attention. The $2.95 price came from Locus.
The English copy is in WorldCat/British Lib. --Chris J 03:25, 15 May 2007 (CDT)
I'm sorry - The moderator screen truncates the titles and I had seen "Bruce Coville’s Book of Aliens: Ta" held by Mhhutchins but did not connect the dots as that being this item. I approved it. Mhhutchins, the price for this record was originally $3.99 and the reason I started this thread was the price was getting changed to $2.95. Thus the record is back to the original $3.99 and now we can clone the record for $2.95 as I assume that's the edition Chris has. Marc Kupper (talk) 04:03, 15 May 2007 (CDT)
I just checked Locus [1] and see that it has Feb-94. I went ahead with updating the $3.99 publication (BRCCVLLSBG1995) for this date and cloned it for $2.95 (BRCCVLLSBB1994) with the remaining issues that come to mind being
  • Are the printing date and printing # available for the $3.99 (BRCCVLLSBG1995)?
  • Is John Pierard credited as a co-editor on the UK edition BRCCVLLSBD1995? He's the interior artist for the USA editions. Marc Kupper (talk) 14:36, 15 May 2007 (CDT)
I was holding the second edit until we heard back from Chris. It seems to have been ironed out while I was earning a living. Mark, you asked about the copyright page in the Amazon Look Inside feature. Because that page wasn't listed in the pages available to view, I did a search for "copyright" and it allowed me to view that page. Which somewhat surprised me, because more often than not the number of pages to view are limited. I can't imagine why Amazon wouldn't allow someone to see the copyright page (unless that page is copyrighted as well!) Mhhutchins 16:55, 15 May 2007 (CDT)
Thank you! I had never bothered to use the search function and assumed the pages visible were the only ones Amazon had scanned. In the past there have been some Look Insides missing the copyright page and I assumed it was not available. I wonder if there's an easy way to search for the last page(s) of a book so that the # of pages can be verified. The page numbers are indexed for the search function and it looks like the story ends on page 172. That is an interesting number line. I'm going to guess it's the 9th printing done in 2003. I've updated BRCCVLLSBG1995 and also marked it verified. Marc Kupper (talk) 01:27, 16 May 2007 (CDT) (I forgot to sign it)

Touch Wood

I have approved the changes to Peter Crowther's Touch Wood, but I was wondering if the current page count ("x372") was supposed to be "x+372" or perhaps just "372"? Thanks! Ahasuerus 00:22, 16 May 2007 (CDT)

It was x+372. --Chris J 16:30, 18 May 2007 (CDT)
Thanks! :) Ahasuerus 18:57, 18 May 2007 (CDT)


Just a quick reminder that we generally don't want to enter cover artists and illustrators as co-authors they way you recently did with Roald Dahl's books :) Ahasuerus 22:01, 16 May 2007 (CDT)

P.S. FYI, I checked The Giraffe, the Pelly and Me, which you had changed to The Giraffe and the Pelly and Me, and it turns out that this is a Variant Title pair, so I set them up accordingly. Ahasuerus 23:23, 16 May 2007 (CDT)

Victorian and Edwardian Ghost Stories

You submitted a variant title, but there was no difference in the two titles. Did you intend to create the variant "The Mammoth Book of Victorian and Edwardian Ghost Stories"? 18:17, 18 May 2007 (CDT)

Yes that is correct. Victorian and Edwardian Ghost Stories a variant title of The Mammoth Book of Victorian and Edwardian Ghost Stories #34386. --Chris J 18:46, 18 May 2007 (CDT)

Jack, the Giant-Killer

I approved your title update for 4837 to change Jack, the Giant Killer to Jack the Giant Killer but then changed the title to Jack the Giant-Killer (note the hyphen) as that's what's in the existing publications. Ideally, ISFDB's search gets improved to ignore punctuation rather than us needing to set up variant titles for each of these in the long run.

  • Jack the Giant Killer
  • Jack
    the Giant-Killer (users may enter this with or without a comma and with or without a hyphen)
  • Jack•the
    (uses diamond/bullets between "Jack" and "the" and also between "Giant" and "Killer."
  • Jack, the Giant Killer (used on a Philadelphia: Willis P. Hazard, 1857. hardcover edition) Marc Kupper (talk) 12:14, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

The Changes: A Trilogy

You submitted a title update for 12908 to change the title from The Changes: A Trilogy to The Changes Trilogy (and also change the date from 1991-00-00 to 1985-00-00). The title change concerns me because the title has two publications

  • The Changes Trilogy, (1985 , Peter Dickinson, Puffin, 0-14-031846-1, £2.95, 348pp, pb, omni) - Listed as The Changes on 0140318461. Unfortunately, that may be wrong as I checked the ISBN on Abebooks and there are six copies, all with different titles. has Changes Trilogy, The Changes: A Trilogy. If you have a copy then great. Locus uses The Changes Trilogy [2] and is usually reliable.
  • The Changes: A Trilogy, (1991 , Peter Dickinson, Dell, 0-440-50413-9, $12.00, 427pp, tp) - Listed as The Changes: A Trilogy on 0440504139. This also has a Look Inside - the title page does not seem to be available but The Changes: A Trilogy is used on the cover and the top of every page. There may be enough here to verify this copy.

Anyway - it would seem that The Changes: A Trilogy is a more accurate title and that if your publication has The Changes Trilogy then we'd do a variant title with The Changes: A Trilogy being the variant. Marc Kupper (talk) 04:10, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Why I changed the title and date was I thought the first copy (The Changes Trilogy 1985 Puffin) would be the main one and "The Changes: A Trilogy' would be a variant. Worldcat lists both titles with the earlier copies called The Changes Trilogy. --Chris J 05:07, 26 May 2007 (CDT)
I can't find an online reference that I'd say was definitive, but I'm pretty sure when I read the omnibus it was just "The Changes" - that would be the Gollancz 1975 edition. Publishers didn't stamp the 'a trilogy' warning over everything in those days... BLongley 07:06, 26 May 2007 (CDT)
Thank you - that makes sense - I approved your update and then went ahead with making The Changes: A Trilogy a variant. Marc Kupper (talk) 14:06, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Editors in the author field

Hi Chris. Earlier today you submitted a change for the Arthur Conan Doyle collection where you added the editors' names to the author's field. I accepted the submission (you had added some important content information) but went back and removed Frank D. McSherry, Jr., Martin H. Greenberg and Charles G. Waugh from the author's field, and added a note that they were the editors. I see it quite often (and try to change it when I do), but the current policy on the ISFDB is to not credit editors in the author field. I tried to get in touch with you at the time, but the wiki was acting up. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:39, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

I forgot to add that this doesn't apply if the publication is a periodical or anthology, just single author collections. Mhhutchins 17:54, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

Locked in Time

It looks like you intended to clone a publication but instead submitted an update. Did you intend to overwrite BKTG02346 with a Dell edition? The original Puffin edition is on both 0140323805 and 0140323805.

ColumnCurrent [Record #20553]Proposed Changes
TitleLocked in Time-
AuthorsLois Duncan-
PublisherPuffin PlusDell
Note-Eighth printing.

Marc Kupper (talk) 04:54, 2 Jun 2007 (CDT)

I intended to clone and must have edited instead. Sorry about that. --Chris J 16:32, 2 Jun 2007 (CDT)
I've cloned the pub and it's at LCKDNTMJKM1991 and rejected the original submission. Marc Kupper (talk) 17:28, 2 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Etchison's Masters of Darkness series

Thanks for providing the contents of these three anthologies. A situation arose that I'd not come across before, but I've learned how to solve the problem. When you added the contents, you modified the first content fields, making them the preface by Etchison. In this case, you removed the title reference (the first content listing), and so the record was pointing back to itself, making the entire record unaccessible from Etchison's summary page as an anthology. In the future, leave the first content field alone, and start adding your contents with the second field. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:39, 7 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Ghost Dance Omnibus

I'm holding your submission to change the author of this omnibus from Faulcon to Holdstock. The book was actually published as by "Faulcon". Perhaps you meant to "Make this title a variant or pseudonymous work." By doing this you keep the original publication as by Faulcon, and create a variant by Holdstock. Mhhutchins 18:13, 8 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Yes I was wondering how that worked. Some of the titles are under Faulcon so I will create a variant by Holdstock.
Why aren't the titles under the name Faulcon because some authors have their books under their pen names? --Chris J 19:47, 8 Jun 2007 (CDT)
The database will first place the book on the summary page of the author of record (the name the publication is credited to), until someone creates a variant. This action will move the title to the summary page of the real author, and note that the book was published [as by PENNAME]. Mhhutchins 20:09, 8 Jun 2007 (CDT)

The Shadow of His Wings

I see that you want to update title 8103 to change the author from Bruce_Fergusson to Bruce_Chandler_Fergusson. My concerns with this are

  1. There's a review of the book where they credited the author as Bruce Fergusson. The magazine (INTZNOVDEC88) has not been verified. I've added a note asking whoever verifies this to pay extra attention to this review.
  2. The story is in the awards list as Bruce Fergusson. Unfortunately, we don't have an awards editor.

I believe a better course for now is to make this a variant of title 7727. Marc Kupper (talk) 00:52, 9 Jun 2007 (CDT)

OK. I will leave it in your capable hands. --Chris J 00:17, 11 Jun 2007 (CDT)
Thank you Chris. It's been fixed other than the awards link is a puzzle in that it followed the Bruce Fergusson title to Bruce Chandler Fergusson but that the canonical title did not see the award. I figured when the awards code gets fixed we'll have a big data-cleanup pass. Marc Kupper (talk) 00:39, 11 Jun 2007 (CDT)


I approved adding pub 197681 but as a heads up you set the price to L5.95 and the artist to £3.99. Marc Kupper (talk) 00:07, 11 Jun 2007 (CDT)

The Guardians -> Scare Tactics

I rejected your submissions to change the title of The Guardians into Scare Tactics. The title record is 267821 and while all of the publications are titled Scare Tactics these are omnibus collections with The Guardians being one of the included works.

As it is a little confusing that a novel is in a collection and has also never been published as a standalone work I added a title note. I thought about making it a shortfiction / novella but Locus calls it a novel based on its length. Marc Kupper (talk) 01:00, 11 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Vampire: The Masquerade vs. World of Darkness

I think there has been some confusion re: World of Darkness because we had two separate series with the same name, Vampire: The Masquerade. One was a subseries within World of Darkness and the other one was its superseries. Whenever we have two separate series records with the same name, the software gets confused and displays them incorrectly, which was presumably contributing to the confusion.

I have renamed the top level series to Vampire: The Masquerade Universe for now to avoid confusion. Could you please take a look at the result and let me know if it makes sense as well what other changes need to be made? Thanks! Ahasuerus 11:06, 12 Jun 2007 (CDT)

I've left a load of edits unapproved as I'm not quite sure where this is leading, but approved the later edits that look unconnected: apologies if I've messed up a sequence. BLongley 13:47, 12 Jun 2007 (CDT)
As far as I can find out World of Darkness is the parent with a list of books under the title. The others Vampire: The Masquerade, Changeling: The Dreaming, Wraith etc. are subseries within World of Darkness. So I think World of Darkness should be the parent of the superseries.
I have found a site which lists most of the series and I'm getting the rest of the info about the books from Worldcat and Amazon. In the next few weeks I will try and sort some of it out. --Chris J 16:08, 12 Jun 2007 (CDT)
Thanks for the explanation! Unfortunately, once you have linked a series to a superseries, you can no longer say "Never mind, this series doesn't belong to any superseries after all!" The only two options that you have at that point are (a) move the series to another superseries or (b) enter all of the series' entries directly into the parent superseries (until the original series is empty), then rename the superseries, at which point it just takes place of the original series. The latter option can be very time consuming if you are dealing with very large or multiply nested series.
For now, I have moved some records around so that the World of Darkness series belongs to an otherwise empty World of Darkness Universe, a quick and dirty band aid until the software has been upgraded to allow us to completely break series-superseries relationships. Ahasuerus 16:58, 12 Jun 2007 (CDT)
From what I have seen now it looks good. --Chris J 21:39, 12 Jun 2007 (CDT)
There's a bit of a backlog of edits at the moment as Lorenzr is doing a lot of deletes of pure-RPG stuff that overlaps with the Novelisation-Categorisation stuff you seem to be doing. You don't seem to be treading on each others toes at all though, which is a good sign: however, it's a bit difficult to pick out the "no-brainer" approvals when two editors are working in the same area. I think you've also overlapped with Clarkmci) today as well - or maybe me taking the "easy" approvals out of order has confused things. BLongley 18:16, 15 Jun 2007 (CDT)
Anyway, just wanted to let you know that I'm not ignoring or disagreeing with your edits, it's just that the sheer numbers and cross-checking needed, in an area I don't know at all well, at a time of the week when we're short on mods, means that there may be some delays in approvals. Of course, you and Lorenzr and Clarkmci could start talking to each other and propose the Moderator required to sort this out and let ME get back to editing stuff I DO know... ;-) BLongley 18:16, 15 Jun 2007 (CDT)
Most of the stuff I was hitting was the unknown authors with no current series. When I went to the publisher's website it listed most of there materials under RPGs I was debating if these "Storytelling adventure" books was considerd an RPG. Also the books I been deleting seemed to be tied to year 2004, loaded by an automated process. They also had RPG signs of high price, size, and low number of pages. Didn't know if they actually had novels. Sorry for any mistakes Ray 18:37, 15 Jun 2007 (CDT)
Don't worry, Ray, haven't seen any mistakes yet - but no-brainers like "character sheet pad" are easy, titles like "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" take longer as there ARE fiction books with titles like that that may need deeper checks. I haven't had the chance to see a lot of your edits before, so I had no idea where you're reliable and where you might be assuming/rushing things. Approvals do go faster when a Mod knows the editor - and I see Al is perfectly happy - but new Mods like me tend to be cautious. Glad to see you're a TALKING editor though! :-) BLongley 18:56, 15 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Wizards of the Coast -> TSR

I noticed you updated the publisher for several publications from "Wizards of the Coast" to "TSR" and am wondering if "TSR" should be spelled out somewhere. I understand ISFDB support for publishers is weak but someone trying to track down who or what "TSR" is may have a rough time. Is there any connection between "Wizards of the Coast" and TSR? The publications updated were: 643869, 14224, 2402, 24027, 14952, 4462, and 34925. Marc Kupper (talk) 13:14, 18 Jun 2007 (CDT)

TSR, Inc.(Tactical Studies Rules) was an American game publishing company most famous for publishing the Dungeons & Dragons role-playing game. Wizards of the Coast (often referred to as WotC or simply Wizards) is an American publisher of games, primarily based on fantasy and science fiction themes. In 1997, Wizards of the Coast purchased TSR, Inc. The TSR brand name continued for a number of years. (Copied from Wikipedia). --Chris J 00:29, 19 Jun 2007 (CDT)
Thank you - I converted that into Feature:90149_Publisher_biographies. Marc Kupper (talk) 21:31, 19 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Star Trek series data

Chris, thanks for tackling Star Trek, it can use all the help it can get :) I have approved most of the submissions, but I also have a few on hold since I am not quite sure where you are taking some sub-series. For example, you want to change the name of "Star Trek Novelizations", which includes, well, Star Trek novelizations :) to "Star Trek Bantam Books (1967-1981)". We already have a Star Trek Bantam series, perhaps you meant to move "Star Trek Novelizations" under it? Also, you want to rename "Star Trek Logs" to "Star Trek Ballantine Books (1974-1978)". Is that right or were you trying to nest series in some way?

Next, you want to move all "Star Trek Pocket Giant", "Star Trek Pocket Movie Novelizations", "Star Trek Pocket Unnumbered", "Khan Noonien Singh" and "Star Trek Pocket Hard Cover" books under "Star Trek: The Original Series" and remove their series numbers. These novels are set in the TOS universe, but, unlike "The Original Series" books, they are not numbered and often use a different format. Do you think it would make sense to merge these series with TOS, list them as subseries under TOS, or do something else entirely? Would you propose following the nomenclature used by The Complete Starfleet Library?

Finally, you want to delete some series altogether, e.g. "Errand of Fury". But that would leave their books unaffiliated with any series, right? Wouldn't you want to move them under TOS instead? Ahasuerus 23:40, 21 Jun 2007 (CDT)

I looked around all the Star trek sites I could find and finally settled on site which listed only about 3 sub-series for TOS (Bantam, Ballantine and Pocket books). I was going to list all books under these.
Some sites have the books split into Novelizations, "Giant" novels, hardcovers, and trade paperbacks, Young adult, Bantam and Pocket books which can get confusing as some books belong in several categories.
Reject my change of name of "Star Trek Novelizations" to "Star Trek Bantam Books (1967-1981)". It is not right as most are "Pocket Books".
"Star Trek Logs" are Ballantine Books and could be put under "Star Trek Ballantine Books (1974-1978)".
I thought of using the nomenclature used by The Complete Starfleet Library. I can change everything to this if you would prefer.
Some series are now in separately as they are numbered and I was going to add "Errand of Fury" etc. at the bottom of this list but we can leave them separately in their series if you like.
So if you would like me to use the The Complete Starfleet Library as a guideline (which I was going to use at onetime) I can change everything to suit. A majority of the books would have to be changed to the 5 sub-series (Novelizations, "Giant" novels, hardcovers, and trade paperbacks, Paperback novels, Crossovers and Young adult books). I don't mind doing the edits if this sorts everything out. If you can think of any format we can use let me know as I won't do anymore Star Trek edits until I hear from you. --Chris J 02:10, 22 Jun 2007 (CDT)
Thanks for the quick response! Let me sleep on it and then compare the different options that we have and I'll get back to you in the next 18 hours or so :) Ahasuerus 02:37, 22 Jun 2007 (CDT)
FWIW - the general philosophy I've taken towards Chris' series stuff is automatic approval, let him see the results, and he may well rearrange the series as needed. Star Trek has the complication of multiple overlapping publisher series (sometimes with different numbering) plus the fans get involved. For example, the James Blish novelizations were reprinted a few times as a set by a couple of publishers, reprinted in omnibus form (the The Star Trek Reader books) collecting several books per omnibus, and reprinted as a collection (the Star Trek: The Classic Episodes books) but rearranging all of the stories to one book per season with this series also being reprinted. To complicate things, between vols 3 and 4 Blish wrote Spock Must Die! which is an original novel (not TOS novelization) but included this book in the series index published as part of vol 12 meaning it's generally considered part of the series. At his death two or three episodes had not been novelized and his wife (J. A. Lawrence) dealt with these in Mudd's Angels which was published shortly after vol. 12 meaning that's also considered part of the series by some.
Star Trek books are a real minefield with reprints having similar (and sometimes different) titles and/or numbering. With many books, particularly in the 1990s, figuring out the title is futile as the they seem part of a series within a series within a series. I suspect to really clean this stuff up we'd need support for multiple series.
Dave Wands over at has taken a crack at this [3] and followed his model for my personal book list but even there I disagreed with some of his placements (particularly the books about the ST movies and non-fiction such as Nimoy's books).
In many cases the series is subjective. Today I got a copy of The Alton Gift by Marion Zimmer Bradley and Deborah J. Ross and was reminded that Wikipedia is all over the map with it comes to the Darkover series and the sub-series that it has spun off. Marc Kupper (talk) 23:58, 22 Jun 2007 (CDT)
I certainly agree that Star Trek series order is very complex and there are many ways of nesting and juggling series records. I spent some time on it last summer, but didn't get very far.
After reviewing what we currently have and what some other sites do, I don't have a strong preference one way or the other. Let me just approve what Chris has submitted so far and then he can proceed with his current plan. If we later decide that we have lost too much granularity and some series are too long, we can always redo them -- thankfully, Star Trek information is not that hard too find :) Ahasuerus 00:48, 23 Jun 2007 (CDT)
OK, I have approved most submissions except for a few that deleted series data without replacing it with another ST series. For example, take a look at Kevin Ryan's bibliography. Did you mean to move his "Errand" books under Star Trek: The Original Series or some other ST series?
I also have a number of Series deletion submissions on hold. Deleting a series used to be impossible, but a recent software update has made it possible. Unfortunately, the functionality is not quite there yet and the action results in "orphan" data appearing. For example, take a look at the bottom of the current TOS series, right under Star Trek Pocket Giant. Ahasuerus 02:25, 23 Jun 2007 (CDT)
(I got distracted and forgot to send this earlier) A thought I had for Star Trek is rather than making changes in ISFDB to document the existing and proposed structure on a wiki page such as Series:Star_Trek. That would also allow us to reference other sites and how they are organizing book and to add notes on the sources for various data. Star Trek is complicated as much of the data out there is misleading. I'm willing to help with the project via notes on supporting data from my own collection as I have about 90 books. My database lists 651 books. There seems to be no shortage series - I just dumped a list to Series:Star_Trek Marc Kupper (talk) 03:11, 23 Jun 2007 (CDT)
Wiki is fine for variations of series, e.g. I think we've made the UK/US UNCLE Series differences pretty clear. If a title belongs in several non-mappable series, that could be dealt with in title notes. BLongley 05:35, 23 Jun 2007 (CDT)
I think we're fine leaving it with Chris for now: Series will always be a little controversial, and always looks even more so while work is in progress. It's best if only ONE editor works on the arrangement at a time though, however competent the second may be: "too many cooks spoil the broth" and all that. If someone else wants to work on Star Trek, they can be useful figuring out why there's eight prefaces in this pub for instance, or adding the Wikipedia links to episode novelisations. People working one above and one below the title level should be fine. I may even understand it eventually! BLongley 05:28, 23 Jun 2007 (CDT)
I'm fine with having Chris do it which is why I offered to just provide details from the publications I have. For example, you wondered about eight prefaces - I don't have that pub but do have all twelve of the Blish ST novelization books. As I mentioned earlier, The Classic Episodes is the omnibus/collection where the publisher took the stories from all 12 books and divided them into by year for the original TV series which lasted three years. Vol 1 must have the prefaces that were published and I can confirm that the following volumes had prefaces. 3, 4, 5, 6, 9, 10, 11, 12 and these did not 1, 2, 7, 8. This is reflected in THCLSSCPSD1991. Marc Kupper (talk) 13:14, 23 Jun 2007 (CDT)
I agree that it's usually better to have one person working on a series at a time -- see recent example. However, when you are getting ready to tackle something as major as the Star Trek universe, outside input may help avoid trouble down the road, e.g. the need to redo hundreds of titles :) Ahasuerus 00:19, 24 Jun 2007 (CDT)
Add all possible controversial sources to the Wiki page and let the Editors loose, I say! :-)
I rescued a few books from the rain at a car boot sale today and had to enter a few in this obscure, forgotten, neglected area called The X-Files. Anyone else remember that? I vaguely recalled it, but there's enough information on the net to fix a few sub-series even if you don't remember the TV show. It can't have been very good, as I got 4 of the books for 50p, whereas the Ken MacLeod and Peter F. Hamilton books were 50p EACH. ;-) BLongley 16:15, 24 Jun 2007 (CDT)
Considering "all possible controversial sources" I'm working on that for Series:Darkover though as as is was mostly one author (who continues to "write" books nearly eight years after her death) there is not anywhere near the level of controversy you will find in Star Trek. I have seen X-Files books from time to time but never picked any up. Marc Kupper (talk) 00:41, 25 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Duplicate series names

Chris, just a reminder that if you change the name of a series to the name of another series, our software won't automatically merge the two series. Instead it will keep the two series separate, but they will now have identical names. This causes problems when the software tries to display either series, usually resulting in data duplication.

The only way to merge the contents of two (or more series) is to change the value in the Series field of every affected Title to the correct series name. It can be time consuming, but it gets the job done :)

Based on the above, I have changed one of the two identically named "Star Trek: Voyager" Series to "Star Trek: Voyager - To be merged". I have also changed two of the three identically named "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" Series to "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine - To Be Merged" and "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine - To be merged 2" respectively. Ahasuerus 00:13, 29 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Blue Apes by Gotlieb

I have approved submission but the stories in the collection should have not only the year of first publication but also the month. In some cases the original publication data (mostly in magazines) has months and sometimes it doesn't (I don't think putting the full publication date in has always been the standard). After you have updated the pub with original publication date of year and month (whenever that data is available) and you merge the stories you should pick the date with a year and month whenever there is an option.--swfritter 12:59, 4 Jul 2007 (CDT)

With magazines the standard for a long time was the year only and this may still be reflected in some of the help pages. It had to do with that magazines were often printed, mailed, received, etc. on quite different dates than the date stated in the magazine. For example, I was looking at the Locus magazine site last night and they note both the stated issue date and the date they mailed each date. These days though we record the publication's stated date if it's a month/year or month/day/year but only the year if the publication is dated using something like "Summer 2007." Marc Kupper (talk) 19:15, 6 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Shadows Eight

Did you intend to overwrite publication 30042 or to clone it?

ColumnCurrent [Record #30042]Proposed Changes
TitleShadows 8-
AuthorsCharles L. Grant-

I assumed you intended to clone but as you also added a considerable # of Content titles I approved the update and then cloned it to create 208205 which is the new record. I then edited 30042 to restore the original information. Rather than deleting the contents you had added I added a publication note explaining the source of the contents information and that it may be wrong for the Berkley edition. Marc Kupper (talk) 19:10, 6 Jul 2007 (CDT)

I was going to overwrite it, then clone once the edit was cleared. I just went about it back to front. You saved me cloning it. Thanks. --Chris J 05:58, 7 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Please be careful about adding unsourced information to an ISFDB publication record. Anything noted in a ISFDB publication record is presumed to be stated exactly that way in the publication. In other words, if the source is not stated it's assumed to be the physical publication. Thus, if you add the contents to the Berkley edition based on a Doubleday edition then you should also add a publication note explaining the source of the data you added and perhaps why you believe it's correct. For example, the Doubleday edition may credit the Berkley edition in its copyright page and the total # of pages is the same. It's likely the contents are the same but sometimes the introduction, afterword, etc. gets changed meaning you should state the source in the publication notes so that others will know that the Contents may not be exactly as stated and also to reduce confusion should someone with a physical copy come along who finds a discrepancy. If the source was not stated they would wonder if perhaps there is another copy of the publication that does match what's in ISFDB.
Something that would help would be a way to clone the contents from one publication to another. That would have allowed you to clone the Berkley edition to create a record for Doubleday plus you'd add the contents as stated in the Doubleday edition. When someone later comes along with the Berkley edition they could then clone Doubleday edition's contents and make whatever edits are needed to get the contents to exactly match their publication. Marc Kupper (talk) 18:26, 7 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Would you be interested in Moderatorship?

Some of us have discussed you before, and frankly I for one could do without occasionally having to approve your massive sets of edits that rarely contain any faults. (I think you had a questionable capitalization entry today, but you're probably doing better than me on accurate submissions, don't let the questions above get you down!) Approving your own edits would be a great help for a start, and I do look to YOUR activity on Series as a guideline for myself, so I think you would be a positive addition to the team. (I promise I'm not asking this to get the Buffyverse sorted out though! ;-) ) BLongley 19:10, 7 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Any thoughts yet? Any response like "NO!", "Not yet" or "Of course! I'm just sulking because you didn't ask me sooner" is fine. ;-) BLongley 16:00, 11 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Sorry I haven't answered as I was having computer problems, but all fixed now (I hope).
Welcome back! Ahasuerus 01:15, 14 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Thanks for considering me but I think I've still got a lot to learn yet as I go along. Please ask me again later (couple months) when I've had a bit more experience as I would be interested. --Chris J 21:22, 13 Jul 2007 (CDT)
At the rate you are going, in a few months you will be done entering all existing SF and will move on to entering SF from alternative universes :) Ahasuerus 01:15, 14 Jul 2007 (CDT)

There's millions of publications and reissues still out there to be put on so there is still years of work. It's enjoyable work and it keeps me inside on these winter nights. --Chris J 17:58, 14 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Queen of Demons by David Drake

You have to be careful when deleting supposedly duplicate pubs. In both of these cases where you want to remove a "duplicate" pub, both of the records point to the same pub. I'm not sure that I'm being clear here, so let me try this another way. On this page it looks like it is showing two records for the June, 199 Tor edition, but if you open them, and then look up at the address bar in your browser, you sill see that they both point to (I fixed it so it will no longer be the case.) It's the same with the Orion edition, they both point to If either of the two is deleted, both get deleted. Therefore, after we delete them, and I know of no other way to do it, we must reenter the information or it has been lost. Did I explain this well enough, it can sometimes be confusing. CoachPaul 10:49, 9 Jul 2007 (CDT)

You had the same problem with Servant of the Dragon, so I just went and fixed all of them. CoachPaul 11:22, 9 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Thanks for that. You explained it well. I'm learning something new all the time and every bit helps. Thanks. --Chris J 18:55, 9 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Had this discussion on Michael's page the other day The Lady of Situations have a look.Kraang 19:26, 9 Jul 2007 (CDT)
I had seen it before, but forgetten where, and that is why I've now been checking all requests to Delete Duplicates very carefully. CoachPaul 20:37, 9 Jul 2007 (CDT)
I suspect it would be less typing to do a remove-title, add-title, merge-title than a remove-pub, add-pub to fix these. Marc Kupper (talk) 01:21, 14 Jul 2007 (CDT)


Could you please double-check whether in this pub that you verified the novel "The Mad God's Amulet" really starts at page 173. I have a copy here where the novel starts at page 175. Hope you can forgive me for being nit-picky. Herzbube 16:33, 16 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Ah, and before I forget it: I have added an image URL to the pub, maybe you want to double-check that, too. Herzbube 17:03, 16 Jul 2007 (CDT)

My copy does start at 175 too so I have sent in the change. The cover looks good. Thanks. --Chris J 23:37, 16 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Thanks, folks, the change has been approved :) Ahasuerus 23:44, 16 Jul 2007 (CDT)
I've adjusted the image URL to remove the extra white border that made the book look square. ( You just remove the '_SS500_.' part of the URL.) BLongley 11:55, 17 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Shirley Jackson's The Haunting

I see that you have just submitted a "Make Variant" for Shirley Jackson's The Haunting (1999). However, the proposed parent Title is the same as the current Title. Did you click on the "Submit" button at the bottom of the screen instead of the one in the middle of the screen, by any chance? Ahasuerus 23:44, 16 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Pass on that. Can't remember but I could have. The Haunting (1999) is a variant of The Haunting of Hill House (cgi?7808). --Chris J 04:11, 17 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Thanks, fixed :) Ahasuerus 10:24, 17 Jul 2007 (CDT)


Chris your merge caused the target title to disappear so i did the series(StarMaker #2) updated.Kraang 22:39, 27 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Thanks for that. --Chris J 04:28, 28 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Guenever: Queen...

Chris was the title of this publication [4] The Queen... or Queen...? Thanks :-)Kraang 06:36, 28 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Just plain Queen.... --Chris J 18:27, 29 Jul 2007 (CDT)
How about the GB hc [5] ?Kraang 19:03, 29 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Found the cover image and answered my own question. Thanks :-)Kraang 19:07, 29 Jul 2007 (CDT)

The Puppet King

I approved your updates to The Puppet King. Something that caught my attention was the change of price from $6.99 to $5.99. Per the Amazon Search-Inside the first printing was $5.99 but I would suspect there was a later printing at $6.99 and so cloned your record to create a new one at $6.99. The intent is to avoid removing or overwriting data from ISFDB unless we can establish that it really is wrong. Marc Kupper (talk) 12:49, 30 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Ok got that. Thanks. --Chris J 19:27, 30 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Unearthly Child

I've added coverart to your verified pub if you'd like to check it. BLongley 13:43, 8 Aug 2007 (CDT)

And here. BLongley 13:45, 8 Aug 2007 (CDT)

Doctor Who clean-up

By the way, I cleared up several Doctor Who publication records this weekend that all had the tag 'DCTRWHNDT22222222223333333338198' as it kept interfering with my edits (I'd search for one title and it kept taking me to another, usually The Tenth Planet) - I don't know if that's been affecting you but if so, feel free to ask me for how to fix it, or to ask me to at least fix the ones affecting you. There's plenty more to do. :-/ BLongley 13:43, 8 Aug 2007 (CDT)

Thanks for fixing that. I had mentioned awhile ago about it. The 2 Doctor Who titles that I know were playing up are now working correctly. I haven't come across anymore playing up yet but you could tell me how to fix it for future reference. Thanks. --Chris J 18:51, 9 Aug 2007 (CDT)
It's quite simple really, it just uses bits of the system most people don't usually use. You know the Tag of the publication with the problem, as it's the same as the pub it takes you to. You can search for this in the THIRD search option (Publication Search) of Advanced search, the one that often doesn't work and gives Python errors if you try anything bar title. :-/ But if you search just for the TAG that you want and nothing else it's OK. The resulting list of all the duplicated-Tag entries still has the "will go to wrong title" if you click on the Title entries, even when they're showing as different titles: but clicking from the 'Record' column takes you to edit the correct individual publication. THERE you can change the Tag to something new and Unique. Really, you should search for the new Tag to make sure it doesn't exist, but I just keep the 'DCTRWHNDT' prefix and generate the next bit from the consonants in the rest of the title, leaving a vowel or two in to make sure it doesn't match a system-generated one, and put a number on the end to make sure - there's often several copies of the same title to fix so I'd have to create DCTRWHNDT3DOCTORS1 and DCTRWHNDT3DOCTORS2 for instance. Once approved and the pub has a unique tag you're OK to do all the usual things with it. BLongley 14:10, 10 Aug 2007 (CDT)

Rhapsody in Black

In your verified Rhapsody in Black you mention the back cover has an incorrect ISBN. My second printing appears to have a correct, or at least consistent one, on copyright page and back cover. Did you get the 'correct' ISBN from the copyright page? As I suspect it might be the 10th digit that was wrong not the 8th, despite what Amazon think... BLongley 14:51, 10 Aug 2007 (CDT)

My copy is as I have stated. ISBN 0330246569 on copyright page and ISBN 0330246469 on back cover. Both numbers work on Alibris and Book Finder, but only ISBN 0330246569 shows on WorldCat and Abebooks. --Chris J 20:29, 10 Aug 2007 (CDT)

R. L. Stine

Thanks for all the hard work on R. L. Stine, Chris! I have made some changes to the records that you corrected, mostly converting Novels to Omnibuses and fixing associated Publication records, but there is plenty of work to be done -- the Worldcat catalog lists 2,813 book records for Stine :) Ahasuerus 20:34, 17 Aug 2007 (CDT)


I approved your edit to the Firebird series but unfortunately setting the parent to blank doesn't take. You might want to change it to something like "Firebird Universe" as a temporary workaround? BLongley 12:55, 21 Aug 2007 (CDT)

OK, approved. BLongley 16:18, 21 Aug 2007 (CDT)

Tits-Out Teenage Terror Totty

Chris, what type of speculative fiction would this fall under? The only other book I could find by this author deals with the Punk era music. Thanks :-)Kraang 20:39, 23 Aug 2007 (CDT)

It seems like British Speculative Humour to me. See Marc Kupper (talk) 22:41, 23 Aug 2007 (CDT)
BTW - the author has a wiki page and so if you approve this as specfict then that can be linked in on the author record. Marc Kupper (talk) 22:45, 23 Aug 2007 (CDT)
Locus states the novel is a Satirical fantasy novel. A Britain of berserker Margaret Thatcher sex-golems, mutant anarchist witches, and chimpanzee novelists; where Princess Diana is repeatedly resurrected for murder, and God prepares for Armageddon. --Chris J 23:42, 23 Aug 2007 (CDT)
Ah, it's Non-Fiction then. ;-) BLongley 13:27, 24 Aug 2007 (CDT)
I think I need to order this if it's under 300 pages. CoachPaul 13:48, 24 Aug 2007 (CDT)
248 according to Amazon UK... but "1 used & new available from £55.00"!!!!
I love the 'Customers Who Viewed This Item Also Viewed "The First Epistle to the Corinthians" by Anthony C. Thiselton' though. Talk about eclectic tastes! BLongley 14:16, 24 Aug 2007 (CDT)

It's weird but approved. Anything that costs 55 pounds must be good!Kraang 19:19, 24 Aug 2007 (CDT)

I've also added the cover image [6]:-o Kraang 19:24, 24 Aug 2007 (CDT)

Goosebumps Boxed Set: Books 9 - 12

I have approved your changes to this title and merged it with a related title that we had on file, but are you sure you wanted to change the type from Omnibus to Novel? Ahasuerus 21:54, 27 Aug 2007 (CDT)

Amazon has this listed as 4 paperbacks in a box and the other sets are listed as novels not as an Omnibus. --Chris J 01:53, 28 Aug 2007 (CDT)
Ah, I see! The reason that most ISFDB records for boxed sets are currently entered as "Novels" as opposed to "Omnibuses" is that they were automatically generated by Dissembler while it was parsing data from Dissembler marks all of its records as "Novels" by default since it has no way of telling what the actual type may be and there are more novels out there than collections, omnibuses or anthologies. As per our Help pages:
Boxed sets. A boxed set will typically contain books that have their own ISBNs. In such cases the boxed set is not of interest, as it is only a form of packaging; a note can be made in note field for the books contained in the boxed set, but the boxed set itself does not need a separate entity. If a boxed set or other packaging format does not have separately identifiable publications, however, then the whole package is an omnibus, anthology, or collection, as appropriate.
so I think it's safe to say that we want to make boxed sets Omnibuses as opposed to Novels. If you think that we want to revisit this issue, would you like me to copy this discussion to the Standards board? Thanks! Ahasuerus 10:44, 28 Aug 2007 (CDT)
As soon as I read your note I realized I had seen the Boxed sets rule somewhere. So when I come across anymore boxed sets I will change them to omnibuses, anthologies, or collections and put the titles in the note field. I will fix up the boxed sets on R. L. Stines site in a few days. --Chris J 16:23, 28 Aug 2007 (CDT)
Thanks! :) Ahasuerus 16:44, 28 Aug 2007 (CDT)

Roald Dahl's Skin and Other Stories

The ISBN for the graphic of this submission doesn't match the ISBN of the publication. Do they have the same cover? I've gone ahead and accepted the submission. Please make sure that the cover graphic goes with the publication. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:15, 6 Sep 2007 (CDT)

I realized after i sent it that the graphic was slightly different. I was going to change it if it slipped past. Have deleted it now. --Chris J 02:58, 7 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Stan Nicholls The Dreamtime Series

Chris you want to remove the series references from Nicholls three novels. A quick look at the cover images would suggest that all three belong in that series. What did you have in mind?Kraang 06:24, 12 Sep 2007 (CDT)

The three novels are all variants of the "Quicksilver Trilogy".
"The Covenant Rising" a variant of "Quicksilver Rising"; "The Righteous Blade" a variant of "Quicksilver Zenith" and "The Diamond Isle" a variant of "Quicksilver Twilight".
The name of the trilogy "The Dreamtime" is probably a variant too.
We might have to keep them under "The Dreamtime" or will they go under the "Quicksilver Trilogy". I let you decide. --Chris J 20:41, 12 Sep 2007 (CDT)
OK thanks for the explanation, I'll leave it for you to figure it out. The series and author are unfamiliar to me. As for variant series titles I don't know if the db can deal with that. We may have to pick one and leave an note explaining the variant.Kraang 21:23, 12 Sep 2007 (CDT)
Does Bowkrett's pub DreamcatcherDreamtime(series) have anything to do with Nicholls Dreamtime(series)? Or do they just share a similar name?Kraang 21:32, 12 Sep 2007 (CDT)
I am afraid that at this time the ISFDB software doesn't support alternative series titles. To quote Help:Screen:SeriesData, "...a series can have only one name, so if two or more names are equally popular (e.g. one name is preferred by the author, another one by the publisher, and a third one is the one that is commonly used in SF encyclopedias), the only option is to list them all in a slash delimited format, e.g. ". Ahasuerus 21:35, 12 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Stephen Bowkett's DreamcatcherDreamtime(series) is different from the Stan Nicholls one. Stephen Bowkett's is called Dreamtime while Stan Nicholls is called The Dreamtime. The Quicksilver Trilogy are English editions while The Dreamtime are American editions from what i can find. --Chris J 02:19, 13 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Moderatorship revisited

Chris, it's been a while since you said that you would like another "couple months" before you would consider moderatorship, so I am wondering if you think that you are getting close? You wouldn't have to approve other folks' submissions unless you wanted to, but you are quite prolific, so it would help alleviate the load on other moderators :) Ahasuerus 21:22, 23 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Yes I'll give it a go if you think it would help alleviate the load on other moderators. --Chris J 02:52, 25 Sep 2007 (CDT)
Excellent! I'll go bug Bill Longley to get the process started on the Community Portal since he was the first one to raise the issue back in July :) Ahasuerus 20:56, 25 Sep 2007 (CDT)
The deed is done. Good luck! BLongley 14:29, 26 Sep 2007 (CDT)
Congratulations, you are now a moderator! :) Ahasuerus 17:10, 1 Oct 2007 (CDT)
Commiserations, you are now a moderator! :) (It's not that bad really - just don't let the power go to your head, read the advice, and you'll be fine.) BLongley 17:40, 1 Oct 2007 (CDT)

(Unindent) I just realised the Link from the Moderator screen to its Help is broken - use this instead, if you haven't spotted that already. I don't know when the "" problem will be fixed, but for now, always try changing the "" to "org" when a link seems broken. BLongley 16:22, 2 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Robert Jordan's Cheyenne Raiders

Hi Chris, you wanted to add a new pub for this title. As it was submitted the pub will go under the title record as by Jordan and not O'Reilly. Was that how it was published? Also, you show the publisher as Tor/Forge. I've assumed that Tor and Forge are separate imprints of Tom Doherty Associates, neither an imprint of the other. How is it shown in the book itself? Thanks. Mhhutchins 10:25, 26 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Ah yes, I remember that series of Jordan reprints. It was done as by "Robert Jordan writing as Jackson O'Reilly" to capitalize on the success of Jordan's Wheel of Time series. I have double checked against OCLC's record 47260402, which has a nice scan of the cover.
As far as the publisher goes, it says "Forge: A Tom Doherty Associates book" in the OCLC record, so we will probably want to enter it as just "Forge" unless Chris finds a reference to Tor in his copy. Ahasuerus 18:29, 26 Sep 2007 (CDT)
The novel is a Forge hardcover distributed in the United States by St. Martin's Press. On the cover it states by "Robert Jordan writing as Jackson O'Reilly". Could you please delete reference to Tor and change author to Jackson O'Reilly. Thanks. --Chris J 20:34, 26 Sep 2007 (CDT)
Done. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:21, 26 Sep 2007 (CDT)
Keep in mind, folks, that our Help pages state:
Pseudonyms. If you know that a particular author's name is a pseudonym, leave it as the pseudonym rather than changing it to the real name. The only exception is when a reprint shows both the original and subsequent names. For example, Isaac Asimov's "Lucky Starr" books were originally published under the pseudonym of Paul French, but were later reprinted with the cover giving both names: "by Isaac Asimov, writing as Paul French". In these cases you can simply give "Isaac Asimov" as the author".
so we probably want to enter the book as by "Robert Jordan". Ahasuerus 22:24, 26 Sep 2007 (CDT)

The Mammoth Book of Best New Horror: Volume 11

I know you removed the extra page number before cloning, but unfortunately the new one needs it doing too. You'll soon be learning to edit, approve, clone though, hopefully. ;-) BLongley 14:53, 27 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Three Complete Novels

Is one of the three really credited differently to the other two? BLongley 13:09, 28 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Dean R. Koontz wrote The Key to Midnight under the alternate name Leigh Nichols. --Chris J 16:14, 28 Sep 2007 (CDT)
That's fine, but is he credited that way in that Omnibus? We've got the other title ready if he isn't. BLongley 16:31, 28 Sep 2007 (CDT)
According to OCLC, the "Nichols" pseudonym was used by Pocket in 1979, but all 1990s reprints were published as by "Dean R. Koontz". The 1995 Berkley reprint edition (ISBN 0-425-14751-7; we have a 1999 and a 0000 printing on file) that we currently list as by Nichols were both as by Koontz according to the same source. Ahasuerus 17:23, 28 Sep 2007 (CDT)
The cover has the 3 novels listed with the name Dean Koontz above them and the copyright page has the The Key to Midnight 1979 by Leigh Nichols. So would the author be Dean Koontz?. Amazon has a search inside to see the copyright page. --Chris J 18:20, 28 Sep 2007 (CDT)
Unfortunately, copyright ownership is not always a good source of information about the author, which is why we generally use the title page as per the Help pages. Popular authors (e.g. Zelazny, Silverberg or Asimov) often incorporate for tax reasons, so the copyright page of a Silverberg collection may say something like "@1995 Agberg, Inc." Similarly, Koontz incorporated years ago and you can see the name of his company on the copyright page at Moreover, there are "works for hire", where the copyright is owned by the person who payed for the text as opposed to the person who wrote it.
To go back to this case, even though there is a reference to "Nichols" on the copyright page, if we use the Help page rule that I quoted in the last discussion above, we will presumably want to use "Dean R. Koontz".
P.S. And that, folks, is why bibliographers make the big bucks! :) Ahasuerus 19:07, 28 Sep 2007 (CDT)
I'm still awaiting my first pay-che[ck|que] - what am I doing wrong? ;-/ BLongley 17:54, 1 Oct 2007 (CDT)
Genre bibliographers get payed in egoboo :) Ahasuerus 20:46, 1 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Best of Lovecraft

Can you check your verified copy of this collection to see if the pub date is 1982? According to Locus #262 (November 1982) this pub was the first edition. And according to Locus1 your copy was published in 1988. The original price was $6.95 and the 1988 reprint was $7.95. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:33, 12 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Thanks for picking this up. I put this copy on when I was still learning everything and took the date in front as being right. I have learnt a bit more since then. I now think this is a later copy than 1988. I shall do some investigating and fix the submission up. Thanks. --Chris J 23:13, 12 Oct 2007 (CDT)
My copy is not in the best condition and has a crease down the front and back page ripped but when I got a magnifying glass on to it I could make out as I throught $10 printed. So looking at Locus everything points to it being the 1995 issue. I have altered the submission to state 1995 but please feel free to alter this if you think it wrong. --Chris J 00:01, 13 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Organizing SF stories into an ontology of SF concepts.

I've moved this post over to the Community Portal.

ISFDB Moderator e-mail

I don't have your e-mail handy but would like to add you to the isfdb.moderators followed by at mail distribution account. It's very low traffic and mainly gets used when ISFDB is down or when people get blocked out of ISFDB. If you don't mind being added to the distribution then please contact me via and I'll add you to the gmail account's forwarding rules. Thank you. Marc Kupper (talk) 04:21, 21 Feb 2008 (CST)

Hi Chris, yes, I'd like your gmail address but the best way to get it to me in a way that more spammers can't learn about it is to e-mail me. Go to my contact page and my e-mail address is there. Marc Kupper (talk) 21:59, 21 Feb 2008 (CST)

Burning Tears of Sassurum

Sorry, Chris, I misclicked and accidentally approved your changes to Burning Tears of Sassurum :-( Ahasuerus 03:42, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Good as gold. --Chris J 07:54, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

The Dying Earth

Please look at ISFDB:Community Portal#The Dying Earth if you have a chance. I want to change this work from a Novel to a Collection, and you verified one of it's pubs. -DES Talk 15:53, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes certainly go for it. --Chris J 00:57, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I've altered your verified omnibus if you'd like to check. BLongley 10:13, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. As my copy has somehow vanished I have now unverified it from the Primary. --Chris J 00:15, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm sticking with the smaller pubs that went into it, so I'll not take over Primary verification. I'll answer questions on that edition until I actually lose it though - hopefully I'll swap it for something(s) more interesting. BLongley 00:38, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
If you are confident that the current version accurately refelcts the copy you now have in hand, why not mark it "Primary (Transient)"? I've been doing that with library books, for example. Then we at elast have a record that it was cheecked at some point in time and found corect by someone. -DES Talk 15:43, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I have. That's precisely why I invented "Primary Transient". BLongley 18:37, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for trying to teach my grandfather to suck eggs. :) It was the mention above of "I have now unverified it" that I was reacting to. -DES Talk 20:48, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Mining the Oort

Right cover? BLongley 01:04, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes perfect. Thanks.
I changed it to a locally-stored image, and added the NZ price, but the Australian one is obscured on my copy. Could you add that if it's handy please? BLongley 18:15, 19 October 2009 (UTC)


Correct cover? BLongley 19:16, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Thanks. --Chris J 07:00, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Ernst Ellert & Perry Rhodan series

Ernst Ellert and several other Perry Rhodan NOVEL titles are entered improperly. I need to remove them from the series list, then substitute the proper title reading such as "Perry Rhodan *83: Ernst Ellert Returns. This allows the Perry Rhodan list to read as Perry Rhodan with major novel story and no longer the novel alone as the header for the magazine issue. Please check the Perry Rhodan list. Since I am not a moderator I can not simply pull it out and switch it. Of course, a moderator could look it up for me and do it, but then I will not be learning the system. The again, I very possibly do not know the proper method. As it is I have filled in the data fields and now await your instruction. I only learn from my mistakes as clear instructions often are not clear to my thick head. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 11:16, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes I see what you mean. I have fixed #83. Is this what you wanted. --Chris J 04:47, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
I am sorry for allowing my frustration out. What I was trying to do was take the novel title off the series list and replace it with the magazine series title. When I changed the information, most especially the data to magazine, it did not make an editor record for the PR title. Apparently I can not do that. What you did got the magazine title there, but the novel title is not the magazine title as shown. I will change it and resubit it and that should recreate the correct novel title. I also have to correct my magazine serial dates to reflect their status to being current with the magazine. Thanks for the consideration. Upon reflection I realized that the process I was attempting would not be clear to a moderator. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 11:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Faded Steel Heat

Correct cover for Faded Steel Heat? Dana Carson 23:56, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Thanks. --Chris J 09:59, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

C. J. Cherryh - Fortress of Dragons - Harper Collins Australia?

Hi Chris, I've put your submission on hold, 'cos I'm concerned that the publisher on the existing record could be wrong & thus the price might not be in A$. ISBNs starting with 0-06 don't seem to be typical of HarperCollins Australia; the books I own of that vintage published by Harper Collins Australia start with 0-7322 (most) or 0-207. Regards --j_clark 23:54, 26 August --Chris J 21:54, 29 August 2008 (UTC)2008 (UTC)

Oops, I must have accidentally approved it. I'll leave it to you to investigate. --j_clark 23:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC) (aka clarkmci)

I got the info from the HarperCollins Australia site. I have since deleted some submissions as the date and A$ price don't seem to gel. I shall have to do more investigation. --Chris J 07:52, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

--Chris J 05:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Could it be that it was an import with an Australian price sticker put over the US price - non-peel :-( and with an opaque layer :-( We used to get this (the publisher putting on an A$ sticker) quite a lot here in Oz. Do you / did you get a lot of that in ?? ... clarkmci / --j_clark 20:17, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
The Voyager site states the following info - The Title: Fortress of Dragons, Author: C J Cherryh, ISBN: 0061020443, Format: Paperback, Price: $17.95, Published: June 2001, Number of Pages: 576. Would the price be for a later imprint? I'm from across the ditch in NZ and that price would be for a copy selling in 2007-08. Yes we do get books with stickers with prices in $NZ.--Chris J 21:54, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
I think A$17.95 would be a bit high for 2001, but possible. Just grabbing something off the shelf: Fortress of Owls (2000) Voyager (UK) edn has A$14.95 printed on the back, as well as the UK price. In Oz, some new adult mmpbs are now up to about A$22.95 RRP.
I've just come across two Hodder & Stoughton (Aust) kids books from the late '70s that are the same ISBN as the Hodder & Stoughton (UK) editions, so maybe HarperCollins Aust has done it too. I don't have that edn of Fortress of Dragons. Any others you've been looking at with the 006 prefix? clarkmci/--j_clark 00:44, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
You can see more with the 006 prefix at this site --Chris J 05:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
I've just looked up my UK edn. Fortress of Owls on the Oz Voyager site [7]. My copy is 1st printing 2000 edition by Voyager / HarperCollins UK. On the back is UK £5.99 and AUS $14.95. The Oz Voyager site has April 2000 & A$16.95. Certainly not today's price, but not the printed price if it is referring to the UK edn & not an Australian printing. Continuing the Cherryh theme, I have Fortress of Eagles, pb, HarperPrism, 1st pb printing, Jan. 1999. ISBN = 006105710X, US & Canadian prices only, on the back. Voyager Oz site has this ISBN published Oct. 2004 here. I dunno! -- clarkmci / --j_clark 06:21, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

The Disinherited

When checking my copy against your verification, mine says First printing November 1993. The data says 1993-10-00 and mine says 1993-11-00. This is an image. [8] . The image is the same as mine except for the price in bottom right corner of the front cover. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:19, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

As my copy has now been sold I can't check it. Put your copy on as well. I will change primary verification to transient verification. Thanks. --Chris J 00:39, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Submitted image and date change with printing and copyright note. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:15, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Rosetta Codex

Added $C price to THRSTTCDXN2007 and have a question for you: does your copy show the ISBN-10 or, as mine does, only the ISBN-13? There is discussion thread on my talk page [[[9]] under LAST THEOREM that is relevant, particularly the last bit from Ahasuerus.--Bluesman 18:53, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

I have had a big clean-up and got rid of a lot of books and that must have been among them. I have unverified it so you can now do the primary verification if you like. Thanks. --Chris J 04:10, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

The Three Doctors

I added the cover and foreign prices to your verified The Three Doctors. BLongley 15:38, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Also for the Seeds of Doom and the Loch Ness Monster. BLongley 15:57, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
And Death to the Daleks. BLongley 16:26, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
And Talons of Weng-Chiang. BLongley 16:34, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
And Crusaders. BLongley 18:12, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
And Claws of Axos. BLongley 19:07, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
And Web of Fear. BLongley 19:46, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
OK, done with Doctor Who Target paperbacks for now. I suspect I may have missed notifying you about some others, as the list above looks a little short compared with the number of uploads I've done today - sorry if I've messed up anything. BLongley 21:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Go for it. I put them on when I was a bit green so I might have made mistakes or missed bits. One day I will go through all my sons Doctor Who books and recheck things. Thanks. --Chris J 04:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, title regularisation was an issue with most of the ones I looked at (mostly capitalised "The"): I'm adjusting mine as I find them but I think there must have been an original error propogated everywhere. Not a biggie with case-insensitive searches, so no hurry to fix. BLongley 19:57, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure that a hyphen to join parts of a title is accepted now, a colon seems to be preferred: so maybe "Doctor Who - Kinda " should be "Doctor Who: Kinda" etc. There's a lot of those to fix if that's true, but mostly later ones I don't own. BLongley 19:57, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
There were some "Doctor Who: The Three Doctors" listed as "Doctor Who and The Three Doctors" (so that would make Four Doctors then?) where the cover was the only error, title-page is apparently fine, so I adjusted those back with notes. BLongley 19:57, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Overall I think the Target books are pretty usable: certainly better than when I had to adjust dozens of DCTRWHNDTHetc pub tags to make them unique! At some point changing the title records to "nvz" and putting the Wikipedia links in should be done. But I think I'll go do something else for a bit. BLongley 19:57, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
My son is home at Christmas so he can sort all the books out and I might recheck them all in the new year. --Chris J 21:54, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Is he not interested enough to edit ISFDB himself? (I presume he's old enough, or you wouldn't be letting him wander loose for another month or so. Although having said that, my cleaner is the same age as me and I wouldn't recommend she edit until she can organize my books to my satisfaction. ) BLongley 22:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

The Long Night

This. [10] . Yours matches mine but mine is a second printing by line number. This is Dsorgen. [11] . His price is lower and with other differences, it makes me wonder if your edition is a second edition as mine is. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:19, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I've had a clean out and my copy is gone so I can't check, but everything points to it being a second edition. I've unverified it so you can verify your copy if you like. Thanks. --Chris J 00:46, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I will enter what I have. Sorry for the touble. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:54, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Accidental approval of The Power That Preserves

In case you thought it disappeared into the fourth dimension.--swfritter 22:42, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Good as gold. --Chris J 01:07, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Delta and the Bannerman

Can you check your verified edition's author please? The title and publication authors don't match (Kohll or Kohill}. BLongley 17:33, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Kohll it is. I've fixed it. Thanks. --Chris J 22:00, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

The Stranger

Added the contents to THSTRNGRWK1987 as well as notes about printing, artist Canadian ISBN and the $C price. ~Bill, --Bluesman 05:06, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 07:08, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Under the Eye of God-Adds

This. [12] . Apologies for these additions. I added cover image, notations and an excerpt to contents. Please take a look and correct as may be needed. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:36, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Go for it. I don't mind any additions. If you find anymore just change without notifying me as it wastes your time. I put a lot on when I was still a bit green. Cheers. --Chris J 09:01, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Slow Lightning

Added a cover image and the month of publication (from LOCUS) to SLWLGHTNNQ2000. --Bluesman 01:13, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Approved as per Chris' note above. Ahasuerus 06:42, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Against the Tide of Years

I added cover art to your verified pub AGSTTDYR1999 - Thanks Kevin 04:00, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that.--Chris J 19:55, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Household Gods

I updated your verified pub HSHLDGDS1999 with some notes and coverart. - Thanks Kevin 18:03, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that. --Chris J 03:28, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

The Praxis- added cover image/notation

Afternoon. This. [13] . I added a cvoer image, notation and excerpt matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:08, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that. My copy has been sold. --Chris J 20:50, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Deadly Quicksilver Lies---added cover/notation

Morning. This. [14] . I added a cover image and notation matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:57, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that. --Chris J 20:14, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Dickson's Space Swimmers

Didn't catch the delete in time. Turns out this was a Canadian edition, which TOR assigned separate ISBNs to in the late 80s. Threw me that AMAZON came up empty yet Locus1 has the ISBN in their listings, but not the US one (most strange). Still stranger is that the price could not be the same for the two pubs, at this time the difference was usually $1 higher for a Canadian pub. It needs to go back in the record with some notes. My oops, my apologies... ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:48, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

I'll let you put it in as you know more about it than me.

Thanks for the note. --Chris J 02:03, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

The Stranger

Added a cover image to [[15]] ~Bill, --Bluesman 02:17, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 08:13, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Time and the Gods

I wanted to add the deep contents (the stories) to your verified pub TMNDTHGDSK2000 and wanted to get your OK before proceeding. Thanks. --Rtrace 05:40, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes go for it. --Chris J 06:36, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Shadow & Claw

I found another of your verified pubs that I'd like to work on, SHDWCLWXSD2000. I would add the page numbers for this one. I'd also like to expand the title to what's on the title page: "The Book of the New Sun, Volume 1: Shadow and Claw" making it a variant of the existing title. Please let me know if you agree with these changes. Thanks. --Rtrace 01:47, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes sure. --Chris J 06:38, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

House on the Borderland

Added a cover image, month of publication and artist credit (Locus1) to [[16]] --Bluesman 23:21, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 06:38, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Replicant Night

Added a cover image, month and 'artist' (from Locus1) to[[17]]--Bluesman 01:15, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 01:22, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Swords Against Death

Added the month (from Locus1) to [[18]]--Bluesman 03:35, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 23:26, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Doctor Who and the Keys of Marinus

I added a cover image to your verified pub DCTRWHNDTH1980. Thanks. --Rtrace 17:12, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 23:32, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Allen Steele's Coyote

I was reviewing cover URLs and noticed that your verified edition of Allen Steele's Coyote -- one of your very early verifications -- was pointing to "", which didn't display correctly since it's a book page and not a picture. I have changed it to "" to match the picture displayed by Amazon at that address, but could you please double check that it matches your copy? Also, the price is "7.99"; should it be "$7.99"? The binding is "Paperback", but I assume it should be "pb"? Finally, the publication date is set to 2003-12-00, which matches the publication date of the first printing, but we already have a stated first paperback printing on file and its price is $6.99. Could you please check if your copy is a later printing? Thanks! Ahasuerus 18:58, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I have had a big cleanup since and got rid of my copy so can't check it. I was a bit green at the time that was put on. It might pay to delete this edition as there is no proof now. Thanks. --Chris J 23:40, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
No worries! confirms that there was a $7.99 printing, so I have changed the date to 0000-00-00, corrected the binding and added a Note; hopefully, somebody will come along and re-verify it :) Ahasuerus 23:50, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Fixer's submissions

Chris, I see that you have approved a couple of Fixer submissions in the last few minutes. Unfortunately, the last batch consisted mostly of announced-but-never-published books, so we will need to delete them from the database or change the publication date to 8888-00-00. Also, please see the last section of ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard for a discussion of the complexities surrounding Fixer-generated submissions. Thanks! Ahasuerus 23:27, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Will do. Thanks. --Chris J 02:43, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

To Stand Beneath the Sun --- added cover, etc

Afternoon! This. [19] . I added a cover image, Can. pricing and start page. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:29, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that. --Chris J 02:47, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


Scanned in an image for [this] and added notes. ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:13, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that. --Chris J 21:34, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Man on the Meteor

Since you accepted the edit of [this]new novel, I'll ask you : does the DB automatically merge the magazine/serial data to the novel or did you merge this? If you did, thanks, and is this done the same way as novel merges? First time I've added a novel like this so wasn't sure how the merging would go. ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:52, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Serials are automatically matched by name, the so called "lexical match", with no need for a merge edit. This is sometimes unfortunate, because if there is a novel by another author with the same title, a false match can occur, and if the serial title was different from the title for novel publication a variant must be created to make the match work. There are plans to make this work more like review links. -DES Talk 04:41, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Question answered by DES. --Chris J 21:44, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Space Cadet (Tor)

Your secondary verified pub Space Cadet (Tor Books) appears to be a duplicate of Space Cadet (Tor). COuld you move your secondary verification of OCLC to the more complete record and then we can delete the duplicate? - Thanks Kevin 05:08, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Done and deleted. --Chris J 07:49, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

In the Shadow - note about Analog redundant

Do we need to state in the notes for the title that the story was "First published in the magazine Analog Science Fiction-Fact, March 1967"? That appearance is already documented in the database.--swfritter 13:26, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

a) Perhaps it wasn't recorded when the note was inserted. b) It does have some value in clearly stating that the Analog publication was the first publication, that it was reprinted from some earlier publication. Still perhaps it is no longer needed. -DES Talk 15:24, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
I have gone ahead an approved the submission of the title and will leave it to you to make the call. In the process I noticed that the Karageorge pseudonym under which the story was published is also used in collections credited to Anderson. Probably a problem that has been around for awhile. I don't have any of the pubs involved but find it highly unlikely that the Karageorge credit was used in the collections. Unfortunately none are verified by a current editor.--swfritter 17:54, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
I've removed the Karageorge credit from all reprints in a Poul Anderson collection. The only appearance as by "Karageorge" is the Analog publication. MHHutchins 18:39, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Seems like something that can be done without much research or hair-pulling.--swfritter 18:57, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Saturday Evening Post

In a strange coincidence, I happened to have been looking at the Saturday Evening Post entries yesterday and found a few issues that were not in the series. In reviewing the results today, I came across two more that you entered last night/this morning that were also not in the series. I've submitted the edits to put them into it. Just FYI. --MartyD 10:29, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


I notice you just created an entry for "Mademoiselle, July 1948" to record the first publication of "Charles" by Shirley Jackson. "Charles" is IMO a wonderful story, but I wouldn't call it speculative fiction. It is a vaguely horrifing story about a little boy who invents an imaginary person on whom to blame his own misdeeds. There is no hint of a ghost or other supernatural being, nor of any other speculative content, except perhaps that his parents are a bit odd to be as easily fooled as the are. -DES Talk 00:00, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

"Charles" is one of thousands of short stories we have that are included in anth/coll that are borderline. If we delete these the publications are going to be a bit odd looking. Until someone reads them (as you have Charles) we don't know what they are about. I have read (I think) somewhere in the help contents (or elsewhere) about these sort of stories but I can't find it. Do we include them if we think they aren't speculative fiction or what? --Chris J 00:50, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
If such stories are in an otherwise SF anthology or collection, we will often include them., But the extra step of creating a record for a clearly non-genre pub like Mademoiselle is IMO a different matter. I'll check exactly what the help says on such stories, but you are correct that one can't know for sure what a story is until someone reads it, although in this case there is the Wikipedia article. -DES Talk 02:46, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Wanderers of Time

Scanned in an image, added the artist from cover glyph and expanded the notes for [this] Will import contents once approved. ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:38, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 04:46, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Of Time and Stars

I hope you've noticed this and are going to correct it, and leave comments on the editor's page, but in case you haven't: your approval of Apemind's edit didn't just add page numbers, it changed "Encounter in the Dawn" to "Encounter at Dawn", a known variant we're trying to sort out. BLongley 22:17, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

No I didn't notice this. What's my best way of fixing this? --Chris J 22:23, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Change the first title back to "Encounter in the Dawn" before someone merges them. For the publication, do the Add Proper Title/Remove Erroneous Title/Merge Proper Titles shuffle. BLongley 23:01, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Out of Phaze

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 20:36, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that. --Chris J 20:43, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Your recent approval of Power Lines

You recently approved a new pub of Power lines. I had placed this on hold, which i am sure you didn't see, just a moment before you approved it. Please see User talk:Dragoondelight#Power Lines by Anne McCaffrey and Elizabeth Ann Scarborough for my comments. -DES Talk 20:45, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

container titles in The Seeds of Doom and the Deadly Assassin

I found in your verified omnibus The Seeds of Doom and the Deadly Assassin two omnibus/container titles, 364081 and 364841. The former has a series membership the latter does not, and the order of the two authors is swapped. I submitted a removal of the latter so it can be deleted/merged. --MartyD 11:21, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I shall leave it in your hands. --Chris J 21:19, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Rhapsody in Black [2]

Scanned in a cover image and expanded the notes for [this ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:28, 15 November 2009 (UTC)]

Thanks. --Chris J 22:26, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Alison Jay cover credit for Enna Burning

Hi, I could be mistaken, but I suspect that either the cover scan for this edition of Enna Burning is from another edition and should be replaced or deleted, or alternatively that the cover artist credit for Alison Jay is incorrect. Alison does old-fashioned oil paintings as per the cover scan for this edition. Jonschaper 04:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I think you are right so to be on the safe side I have deleted image. Thanks. --Chris J 04:52, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Allan Pollock vs Allan Pollack

I belive that the credit for "Allan Pollock" here should actually be for Allan Pollack as per this verified entry for the same cover. The only other ISFDB credit for "Allan Pollock" had major errors (e.g. listing the title as "Angry Red Skies" instead of the correct "Angry Lead Skies"). Cheers Jonschaper 03:42, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

You are right. Locus has got it wrong. Thanks. --Chris J 00:08, 18 November 2009 (UTC)


Added a cover for Wizard. BLongley 21:11, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 21:14, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Lovecraft's Ex Oblivione

You have one of the verified publications that contains Lovecrat's "Ex Oblivione". I've been working on another another collection which contains that title. It is currently listed as a short story. However, the note in the front of the section in The Doom That Came To Sarnath that contains "Ex Oblivione" describes it as a "prose poem". It is also contained in Magazine of Horror, November 1968 in a section titled "Four Prose-Poems" (see this discussion of another Lovecraft prose poem). I am proposing that we change "Ex Oblivione" from a short story to a poem. Other examples of prose poetry that I am aware of are entered this way. Please let me know if you concur. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:13, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Everything I can find out about it points to it being a "prose poem". So you have my OK to change it. Thanks for the info. --Chris J 03:42, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Astounding UK Magazine series

You might be interested in the new Help for magazine editor series. The Help also has a section on magazine wiki page linking which you already know how to do.--swfritter 17:31, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for this. It does help, as there was a few things I wasn't sure of. --Chris J 00:17, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Accidentally approved submission

For pub update Andra. Maybe I should do the same for Bill. He may not be able to approve his own lengthy list of submissions during his lifetime.--swfritter 16:49, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Mostly sorted now. A lot of the Author Updates were for single SF writings and didn't lead to more. Unfortunately, some did, which is why it took so long. I'm now fed up with Warhammer, as well as Paranormal Romance and other subjects. I may get back to my own books soon if the medication works. (I can't/shouldn't lift the boxes of books till it does.) BLongley 00:59, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
I would advise caution when lungs are on the line. Granted, they are not as good as gills when operating in the most common environment on this planet, but they are all that most humans have. Ahasuerus 02:34, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
I was a bit concerned when the radiographer said "Sorry, your lungs are too long" - but apparently that's not a fault in me, it just meant he'd missed the bit that hurts on the first X-Ray and had to try again. Still, the pain-killers are working and I'm still pretty good while vertical. If it turns out to be something rapidly fatal I guess I'll be able to quit my job and spend my last days on ISFDB. BLongley 23:00, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Woken Furies by Richard Morgan

Can you re-check the credit given as publisher of this verified pub? I was cleaning up some one-record publishers and came upon "Orion Books". Yours is the only book credited to this publisher. Checking OCLC, I saw it was given as published by Gollancz, as does several dealers. Some 2005 books published by Gollancz are credited to "Gollancz / Orion". Thanks. MHHutchins 07:05, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

The book has now gone so to be on the safe side I have changed it to "Gollancz / Orion" and have also altered the verification. --Chris J 03:44, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Edge of Victory Conquest

Added the price and month to [this] from Locus1. Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:23, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 06:43, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

"City on Millington Moor" = "Mallington Moor"

Can you check the spelling of the story in your verified pub? Most sources give it as "Mallington". Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:49, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

I've got the same pub, as well as the other appearance of the misspelled name (see this discussion). If you concur, we should be able to just merge the titles. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:26, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
'Mallington Moor' it is. I have changed my copy. --Chris J 05:03, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


Looks like I stumbled upon one of your early verifications. I changed the number if pages from "i-vii, 246" to "viii+246", and added notes. Thanks, Willem H. 18:49, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that. --Chris J 08:05, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
Also added this cover scan. Willem H. 13:28, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Emerald Eyes

Another early verification. Corrected the number of pages and added the afterword and notes to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 13:24, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that. --Chris J 06:19, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Prelude to foundation

Added cover and note to this Hauck 14:12, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that. --Chris J 22:32, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Out of Phaze

Added maps and notes to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 21:38, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 03:01, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Flight of the Horse

Added an image, month and artist (from Locus) to [[20]] If the data is wrong let me know and I'll create another record. Yours was the only '99 date. ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:25, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't have the book anymore, but from memory the image is correct. Have changed verification. --Chris J 03:04, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

The Algebraist

Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here and added notes. On my copy and contrary to the amazon scan, the title is really quite invisble (just embossed), idem for the spine. Hauck 10:36, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that. --Chris J 20:37, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

John G. Cramer

Hello, you seem to be the one on duty now. I think that this pseudonym here is just typing mistake : the space between G. and Cramer seems to have been omitted. How can this be corrected (the essay must probably be affected to the "right" author) ? Hervé Hauck 08:42, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Space in and essay has gone to right author. --Chris J 20:55, 26 March 2010 (UTC)


Replaced cover and added note to your verified here. Hauck 17:12, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 23:28, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Trader's World

Added an image and month [Locus] to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:08, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 22:11, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Planet of the damned

Added image and notes to your verified here. Hauck 17:08, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 04:06, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

A Transatlantic Tunnel, Hurrah!

Added image and artist to your verified here. Hauck 15:38, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 23:32, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

The Crook Factory

Added an image to [this] and noticed on the Amazon "Look-Inside" feature that the copyright page mentions an excerpt. ~Bill, --Bluesman 02:30, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I had a clean-out not long after I verified that book so I'm not sure about the excerpt. I have unverified it anyway to be on the safe side. --Chris J 23:36, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Rediscovery of Man

Added the month, with note [from Locus1] to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:03, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 23:22, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Slow Lightning

Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here and added notes. Hauck 12:32, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 03:59, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Forty Signs of Rain

Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here. Hauck 09:13, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

The Forever War

I added publication series data to you verified pub. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:41, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

The Rediscovery of Man

I added publication series data to you verified pub. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:38, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


I added publication series data to you verified pub. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:20, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Star Maker

I added publisher series data to your verified pub. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

The Book of the New Sun Volume 1: Shadow and Claw

I added publisher series data to your [21]. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:50, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Time and the Gods

I added publisher series data to your [22]. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 22:00, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

The Conan Chronicles: Volume 1: The People of the Black Circle

I added publisher series data to your [23]. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 22:23, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

The Conan Chronicles Volume 2: The Hour of the Dragon

I added publisher series data to your verified pub. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:29, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


I added publisher series data to your verified pub. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:35, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

SF Adventures No. 23 duplicate issues

Both you and Dragoondelight have separate verified pubs of the same issue. Perhaps you can get together and do some consolidation. Thanks!--swfritter 13:46, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

They must be 2 different editions?. Mine has 112 pages and cost 2/6 while his has 116 pages and he has cost at $0.40. --Chris J 21:25, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Are you also counting the covers? Perhaps Dragoondelight can double check the price on his pub. Everything else seems to indicate that both are UK editions and neither Tuck nor Contento indicated that there were American editions of the UK incarnation of the magazine.--swfritter 22:16, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Page 1(number not printed) is the contents page and page 112 is the last page of 'By Implication' and the last page in mag.. --Chris J 22:30, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
As per Help: "For magazines, the convention is to use the actual page count - including the cover." I think I would have preferred the Contento method of adding "++" to the page count when page numbering does not start with the cover. His designation in this case would have been 112++ but it would be kind of hard to go back and start over.--swfritter 11:25, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Try this. [24]. I have American issues #15, 17 & 23. 17 has the differences best description. Page count is by magazine method, covers added to actual count. I remember buying them with the caveat that they were the American issues and hoping I was getting the correct stories. I did read somewhere some contention as to whether they were actually Canadian not U.S. My No. 19 has a 45¢ sticker applied, so British issues may have supplemented or possibly the vendors independently imported. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:05, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Submitted US#15 cover. I have 15, 17, 20, 21, 22 and 25 U.S. (Can?) price cover images. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:15, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Canadian (or conceivably Australian) probably makes more sense. Most U.S. magazines from this time frame were priced at $0.35. I strongly suspect the contents of the two pubs are identical with the only difference probably being the cover price. Definitely not a part of the original American series. Such a convoluted history. The Brit series started off as an independent publication which reprinted miscellaneous stories from the American series. What goes around comes around. Harry, thanks for the elucidation.--swfritter 15:27, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Harry: Terry at Visco seems interested in details of the US/Canadian editions, have you tried getting in touch? BLongley 19:22, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
As for page counts - when entering British Magazines I use the internal numbering if covers aren't included, and note when the pagination doesn't include them. I figured the rules for US magazines where invented by US Moderators for US practices, and those aren't always followed elsewhere. And this is an example of Australian publcations not following the convention either. Time to split the rules for US and non-US magazines? (I should probably have paid closer attention to Hoddy's recent UK edition additions.) BLongley 19:22, 23 July 2010 (UTC)


Added an image [right number and price] to [this]. Hopefully it's the right one! --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:28, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Perfect. Thanks. --Chris J 21:18, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Planet of Adventure

Added an image to [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I have also changed verification to Transient as my copy has now gone. --Chris J 22:28, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Gunpowder Empire

Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here and added note. Hauck 09:18, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 23:35, 1 August 2010 (UTC)


Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here and added note.

Thanks. --Chris J 22:01, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Conventions of War

Added cover and note to your verified here and to The Praxis. Hauck 14:39, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 22:01, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


Added cover and note to your verified here. Hauck 16:46, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 22:02, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Snow Queen

Added a good image to [this], good enough to see a signature [PAJ] on the cover [Peter Jones]. Did not add that to the record as it might not be the right cover! Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:16, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

No my cover was different. I have deleted your pic. I have got rid of the book now but what I remember of it was that it was mostly black. --Chris J 04:29, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Some Will Not Die (by Budrys) cover

User:Dsorgen has uploaded a new cover image for your verified pub of Some Will Not Die . I am about to approve the pub edit. ---DES Talk 03:23, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 03:52, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

The Return of the Fire Ruby

I see you approved The Return of the Fire Ruby: Pt. 2 a few days ago. i had held "part 1" because the spec-fic content seems vary thin (from the description) and possibly not there at all (people think something is magic when it isn't). (I failed to hold part 2.) But if you think that "part 2" belongs IN than Part 1 probably should be in too. Are you convinced that part 2 belongs here? the Amazon description is:

"Following on from Iris Button's novel The Fire Ruby, Zeek has found the long-lost precious heirloom and is now on board the Sun Stream, bound for Guinea, West Africa. He intends to carry out the wishes of the beautiful Countess Jeanette - a woman he owes his life to - and return the stolen gem to its rightful owner, Count Robert Daneau. But Zeek discovers that tragedy has struck Robert's ancestral home on the Oleander cotton plantation. The ancient legend suggests that the house of Daneau will fall without the precious talisman, the Fire Ruby. So does this priceless jewel have magical powers after all?"

Any comments? -DES Talk 01:06, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I think you are right the spec-fic content seems very thin. What info I can find points that way. I have now deleted it. --Chris J 08:29, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll reject part 1. -DES Talk 13:35, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Murray Leinster's "The Grandfather's War"

As a primary verifier of a publication containing The Grandfather's War , you input on this discussion is requested. A question has been raised about the proper location of the apostrophe. Thanks. --JLaTondre 00:59, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations on 100,000 contributions

I see you're the second to pass the mark, well done! BLongley 01:40, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Many more to come (I hope).
Cheers! :) Ahasuerus 07:30, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Myth Directions / Hit or Myth

I added a printing note and the page numbers to your verified pub. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:30, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 06:27, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Douglass - Beyond the Hanging Wall 2000 Oz edn

Hi, I've added a cover scan to your verified publication. --clarkmci / j_clark 07:35, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 07:55, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Keith Roberts story in Impulse 1

I would like to change the title of Keith Roberts' story in Impulse 1 from "The Signaller" to "Pavane: The Signaller" with some added notes of course. It's on the contents page as "Pavane" and on the story's titlepage as "Pavane" over "by Keith Roberts" over "The Signaller". Can you agree? Thanks, --Willem H. 14:29, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

The same in Impulse 5. "Corfe Gate" is as "Pavane: Corfe Gate" on contents- and titlepage. --Willem H. 15:17, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Yes, go for it. --Chris J 22:31, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, done! --Willem H. 16:07, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

New Worlds

Replaced the Visco scan on your verified here and inserted Nr in title, likewise for this one. Hauck 18:11, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 00:00, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

New Worlds, March 1956 (NZ)

I'm wondering if it's necessary to create a new record for this issue. It appears to be identical to the UK issue. If it's a reprint, it probably shouldn't be merged with the UK magazine series. Thanks. Mhhutchins 01:41, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

It is the same except for the price. I have added a note to the UK edition stating the NZ price and deleted the NZ edition. --Chris J 06:07, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Submission accepted

One of your submissions had been sitting in the queue for a couple of days, which was an update of this title record. Because there were no actual changes in the record (may have been a double submission that was overlooked), I thought it would be OK to accept it. We don't see an empty queue that often and I didn't want to miss the opportunity. Thanks. Mhhutchins 13:39, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes it was overlooked. Thanks for that. --Chris J 23:28, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Glad to hear you didn't mind - feel free to moderate any of MY submissions if I've left them, I don't do so deliberately. I think we've reined back Fixer a bit, and all Mods should be able to see an empty queue occasionally now. BLongley 00:29, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Science Fantasy, July-August 1964

In this verified pub, the cover artist is credited on page 30. I changed "R. Harris" to "Roger Harris", and added a note. --Willem H. 19:14, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 23:09, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Science Fiction Adventures, No. 13

Replaced the Visco scan for your verified here. Hauck 16:41, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 01:07, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Science Fiction Adventures, No. 21

Replaced the Visco scan for your verified here and for No. 22 and No. 23 and No. 24 with added note and No. 26 and No. 30 and No. 31 and finally No. 32 where I added Carnell's essay. Hauck 20:05, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 01:06, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Fantastic Voyage II

Found a very nice image for [this], also added the month from Locus. --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:23, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Hunting the Ghost Dancer by A. A. Attanasio

I've done a second Primary Verification of this record, adding the roman-numeraled pages, the cover image, and notes. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:03, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 21:11, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

"A Dip in the Swimming-Pool Reactor" in New Worlds SF, September 1965

User:P-Brane proposes changing the above title in your verified New Worlds SF, September 1965 from a shortfiction instance in a series to part 2 of a serial novella (see the submissions I have on hold). What do you think? I will cross-post this to the 2-verifier as well. Thanks. --MartyD 10:53, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Under the title it says - The second episode in the career of Bill, the Galactic Hero. In the editorial it says the second part of Bill, the Galactic Hero. I personally think it is a standalone short story. --Chris J 22:52, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi! Editorial is correct, of course: it is the second part of NOVEL "Bill, the Galactic Hero" that was serialized in three consecutive issues of New Worlds.The fact is well documented, see for example, this pub or official HH website (it's frames, so I cannot give you direct link, go Bibliography->Novels->Bill,the Galactic Hero->Publication History). It states:
New Worlds, Part 1 (#153, August 1965); Part 2, "A Dip in the Swimming Pool Reactor," (#154, September 1965); Part 3, "E=mc2... or Bust." (#155, October 1965). Part one was illustrated with two sketches by the author.
In fact, these three installments should be made into variant title of Bill, the Galactic hero. Thank you! P-Brane 03:22, 22 July 2011 (UTC).
After reading the above I would have to change my mind and say make it a part of a serial. --Chris J 21:49, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. Dirk P Broer, the Primary2, responded that he's away from his books, but it didn't sound like he had any objections. I will approve the held edits. --MartyD 10:12, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Cosmophyte by Julian Fane or Chain

Can you confirm the author credit for "Cosmophyte" in this issue of Astounding (UK)? Also is the artwork for "Dumb Waiter" credited to Rogers or Hubert Rogers? Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:55, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

"Cosmophyte" is by Julian Fane. To me the artwork for "Dumb Waiter" is signed "Rogers 51". --Chris J 21:16, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Strange indeed. It was credited to Julian Chain in the US edition of Astounding. I'll make it into a variant. Concerning the cover art credit: most sources state that the UK editions were repaintings and not credited to the original artist. Can you confirm this? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 23:41, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
It's just a black + white picture on 2 pages with 'Rogers 51' in the bottom right corner. --Chris J 01:38, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
In my second comment, I was inquiring about the cover art credit, not the interiorart. Thanks. Mhhutchins 01:46, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
Cover art signed 'Hubert Rogers' but it does look like it could be a repainting. No info about it in the magazine that I can see. --Chris J 01:57, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
Eventually we'll have to come up with a solution to this problem. It wasn't only foreign editions of Astounding that did this, but it seems like the majority of overseas publishers followed the same practice when it came to magazines (and probably more than a few books.) When the cover isn't credited explicitly, I believe we should not credit at all, but record in the note field that the cover is a repainting of the original artist's work with references to the date of the original issue. Thanks again for checking. Mhhutchins 02:55, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
This relates to the discussion on merging artwork. The VISCO page on the British Astounding notes that the covers were repainted by the house artists of Atlas Publishing, and identifies such as "after" Rogers, etc.--Rkihara 16:36, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Foundation's Edge

Hi, I've added a cover scan for Foundation's Edge (Panther, 1984), changed the publisher to Panther / Granada and added notes explaining, amongst others, the Panther / Granada. --Dirk P Broer 17:26, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 23:28, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Remembrance of the Daleks

Added a cover image and brief note to [this]. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:54, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 20:47, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Out of Phaze - notes

I added notes to your verified Out of Phaze. AndonSage 03:21, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 01:08, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for updating your User Page

I always wondered what the "J" was for but was too polite to ask. BLongley 23:40, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

I've been going to do that page for ages and kept on forgetting. I'll blame old age. --Chris J 23:44, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Bio Header

Why did you remove the bio header template from this page? It's there to link the page back to the author's summary page. Without the template, you'd have to enter a manual link. That's why it tells you "". Just wondering if you had any specific reason for deleting the header. Thanks. Mhhutchins 06:14, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I was just going to write a message to find out what I did wrong. I was a bit green going into it. I didn't realise I had deleted the template. --Chris J 06:22, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Edit the page, adding this template at the top: {{BioHeader}}. This links the page back to the author's summary page. When you click on the link "Bio:<author>" on any author's summary page (for an author who doesn't already have a wiki bio page), the system adds the template automatically in the open edit window. There's a warning asking users to not delete the template, but to add text after the message. Some users are known to blank out the box without reading it. We've changed it several times to try to make it clear that it shouldn't be deleted, but that hasn't stopped users from deleting it. Mhhutchins 05:47, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. --Chris J 06:03, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

The Great and Secret Show

Hi! Is the artwork on The Great and Secret Show correct? I have what I think is the same printing but the cover doesn't match the entry. I suspect that Amazon has changed the art out from under us. Jcameron 16:01, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I can't find my copy at the moment as my son has had a tidy up but I'm sure that's not the cover. I have deleted the image to be on the safe side. There's cover art at this site --Chris J 03:06, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. My copy has the artwork from the bottom row on that page, second from the left; the red one with the "rip" artwork across the title. I'm sure it's the same printing. I'll upload a new scan when I do my next lot of cover photos. Jcameron 00:50, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Yes I'm sure that was the cover. --Chris J 05:27, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
OK, I've uploaded a new cover image. Jcameron 00:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Preface (The Gods of Pegāna)

A new editor, Mvhetzel, pointed out that Preface (The Gods of Pegāna) is an in-universe essay, so we may want to change its type to "Shortfiction". Since it appears in 3 verified pubs and you are one of the verifiers, I am leaving this message on your page to see if you agree. TIA! Ahasuerus 04:38, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

I can't find my copy at the moment as my son has stored it somewhere, but he'll be home for Xmas so I'll get back to you later. --Chris J 19:38, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Finally found it. It's one sentence long and could be changed to shortfiction. --Chris J 21:45, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Foundation 1983 Panther

Added cover to this. This cover is from this edition: 28th imp. 1985, 234pp, £1.95. Cover by Tim White. If you know that in 1983 edition cover artist was Tim Whate, it may be the same. BarDenis 19:12, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

As I have got rid of my collection (which includes 'Foundation') I can't check details. --Chris J 20:09, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Held submission

I'm going to remove the hold I have on this submission and let you (as the primary verifier) handle it. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:01, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Prelude to Foundation Isaac Asimov 1989

Want to upload new cover image (with back cover) for this pub BarDenis 20:51, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Go for it. --Chris J 00:13, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Uploaded. BarDenis 18:21, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Publisher for Dr. Who books

In the process of reviewing publisher names, I am converting the publishers listed for many of your "Dr. Who" books from "W. H. Allen/Target" to "Target / W. H. Allen". This is in keeping with the current ISFDB standards on "Imprint / Publisher", which (I think) were established after you had done these verifications. The specific books are:

Chavey 07:43, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

I did the same for changing "Virgin/Target" to "Target / Virgin", affecting the following verified pubs of yours:

Chavey 13:41, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

And a bunch of "Wyndham/Target" books to "Target / Wyndham", i.e. most of the books now listed under: Publisher:Target / Wyndham. Chavey 13:52, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. It looks better now. --Chris J 00:46, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Planet of the damned

Probably found artist for your verified here, also credited in this french pub. Hauck 16:26, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 23:32, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Taylor Five by "Ann Halam"

You verified two editions of this title as published by Gwyneth Jones, when the source you use to verify them give the author as "Ann Halam". Thanks for looking. Mhhutchins 13:54, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

And double checking, I see the entries are duplicates of records that do credit Halam. The ones credited to Jones should be deleted. Thanks. Mhhutchins 13:58, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Done and dusted. --Chris J 04:40, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
Even though the authors of the pub records were corrected, they still remained under the wrong title record (for Jones instead of Halam). I unmerged them from the Jones title record and put them under the Halam title record. Thanks again. Mhhutchins 05:28, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

The Engines of God

I've just added the cover art for The Engines of God. Ofearna 05:09, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 05:15, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
And she also added the artist (Jim Burns) --Willem H. 18:39, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
and Weaveworld! cover artist. Susan Ofearna 18:58, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Three-Bladed Doom

Hi, I just added cover art and artist to this, your PV. Cheers, Horzel 18:42, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 00:24, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

The Rogue Crew

I was working on the Fixer submissions, when I clicked on the next one in the queue and realized it was your submission to update this record. What caught my eye was that you had removed the "Data from Amazon" as the source in the note field, but didn't replace it with any other source, nor did you do a primary verification of the record, which is usually the only reason to remove Amazon as the source. Believe me, I'm not in the habit of checking on other moderator's submissions. Heaven knows, my own submissions keep me busy enough! I was just wondering perhaps if you were going to follow up on the sourcing of this record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 01:52, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

I'll blame old age. I got some data from Amazon, some from Locus and some from Worldcat. Will add to this to submission. --Chris J 02:16, 21 July 2012 (UTC)


Chris, I've added your verified pub to the Voyager Classics publication series, and changed the publisher from "Voyager Classics" to "Voyager Classics / HarperCollins" to match all other pubs in the series. Thanks. PeteYoung 14:36, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 00:37, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Andrew Smith of Doctor Who

While accepting a Fixer submission (no good deed goes unpunished), I discovered we have a mash-up of at least four different people in one "Andrew Smith". I am working on separating them. I've modified the author credit on your verified Full Circle (Dr. Who) to be "Andrew Smith (I)" for now. I may change it to something else, depending on what I find. I welcome any disambiguation suggestions you may have. Thanks. --MartyD 11:06, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Series in variant titles

You recently made this record into a variant of this record. The variant title records contains series data, which causes problems when displayed in the series list. (Look at the series list and you'll see it's displayed twice.) Do you remember the sequence of events in updating and varianting these title records? I'm trying to determine how series data is transferred to a variant. Perhaps a) the system does it automatically, or b) the editor adds the series to the variant record. Your help would be appreciated. Mhhutchins 14:20, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

I think I put on 'Lion Wolf' under 'Warhammer 40,000' and then found 'Lion-Wolf', so made the variant. I have never noticed this happening before when making a variant so it must be something new the systems doing. I have since taken off the series data from the one that wasn't a variant and it has disappeared.--Chris J 20:05, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
So if I understand the order correctly, the variant record already had the series data when you made it into a variant of the parent which you had just added to a series. I'll try to duplicate it in a test record to see the results. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:46, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
Testing has shown that if a record contains series data and is later varianted to a parent record that has no series data, the system will automatically remove the data from the variant record and transfer it to the parent record. But... if both records have series data, then the data will remain in each record. I'll bring this to the attention of the software writers and see if it can be fixed. Mhhutchins 21:05, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
Yes, that's exactly how it works at this time. There is FR 3588235 to disallow entering Series information for variants. Ahasuerus 01:52, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Scott Westerfeld's The Risen Empire

Just to let you know that your transient-verified The Risen Empire has been changed from a NOVEL to an OMNIBUS. Westerfeld's UK publisher apparently decided to give the omnibus edition of the two books the title of the first novel in the series -- presumably to confuse everybody :-) Ahasuerus 01:56, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

"Charlie Carter"

By the way, Chris, are you familiar with "Charlie Carter", apparently a pseudonym used by John Heffernan? Fishpond lists quite a few of his juveniles, many of them apparently SF, e.g. the "Battle Boy" books involve time travel. Ahasuerus 00:39, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

No I've never come across "Charlie Carter" or "Battle Boy" books. I will look into it. Thanks. --Chris J 00:51, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
Great, thanks! Ahasuerus 00:53, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Leon Stover credit in Wells titles

All of the publications in McFarland's The Annotated H. G. Wells publication series edited by Leon Stover are on the clean-up script which finds pub/title author mismatches. It looks like someone recently updated the pub records, giving Stover author credit in these NOVEL records. It is ISFDB policy that editors are not credited in the author field of NOVEL-typed records, and only the actual author of the novels should be credited. Looking back on the list of Recent Integrations, I see that you had updated these records a few days ago. I just wanted to bring this to your attention in case you were the editor who added Stover to the author field of the publication records. If it wasn't you, please pardon this message. I will remove Stover's credit. Thanks. Mhhutchins 06:15, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Kowalski's The Company of the Dead

Three pub records have showed up on the title/pub author mismatch list for this title. According to most sources, including the Amazon Look-Inside feature, the Titan Books editions of The Company of the Dead were credited to "David J. Kowalski". I remember adding the records to the database and checking to make sure that the author credit was correct, knowing that the Australian edition was credited to "David Kowalski". Another check on the Recent Integrations list shows that you recently updated these three records. If the editor who changed these records's author credit had also updated the title records they wouldn't have shown up on the clean-up script as a mismatch. Of course, there's no way of knowing if you changed the author credit, so this is just a heads-up in case you did, to let you know that I'm changing the credit of the Titan Books editions back to "David J. Kowalski". Thanks. Mhhutchins 06:28, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Black Colossus Story Length

You verified The Conan Chronicles: Volume 1 from Millennium/Victor Gollancz that contains this story. The story is currently classified as a "Short Story". I believe it's length clearly indicates it is a novelette, which seems apparent comparing it to other stories in this pub. Please let me know on my discussion page what you think about reclassifying it. Bob 19:22, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Doctor Who and the Auton Invasion

Re: Doctor Who and the Auton Invasion Updating publisher to title page. Adding cover image scanned from personal collection. Adding notes.--Astromath 13:27, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 03:46, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Doctor Who and the Cave-Monsters

Re: Doctor Who and the Cave-Monsters Adding cover image from personal collection. Adding notes.--Astromath 00:54, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 03:46, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

"Notes of Various..."

I've corrected the name of "Notes on Various People of the Hyborian Age" by Falconer in this publication. The title was listed as "Notes of Various..." and after verifying it was incorrect in the third printing, I merged the title correcting all of them and per this discussion. Please let me know if your copy has the title incorrectly and I'll undo the change making yours a variant. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:44, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

"Notes on Various...." it is. --Chris J 06:50, 31 January 2013 (UTC)


When you get a chance, please add the source for your data to this record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:28, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm still working on this. Time ran out last night. Source was Locus. --Chris J 20:32, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

The Hyborian Age

I would like to reclassify "The Hyborian Age" from ESSAY to SHORTFICTION. The piece is obviously fiction; there are two pubs containing this content that I don't believe should be called NONFICTION based on the label ESSAY on "The Hyborian Age". You verified The Conan Chronicles Volume 1 with this content. Please comment on the proposed reclassification at my page. Bob 03:22, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Twilight of the Gods

Hello, the last name of interior illustrator in yours verified 127631 rather unconventionally has tilde instead of dash. Thank you, ForJohnScalzi 02:11, 22 March 2013 (UTC).

Changed. Thanks. --Chris J 02:18, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

I added the Canadian price to your verified

I added the Canadian price to your verified [25].Don Erikson 21:18, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 07:18, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

The Hoard of the Wizard Beast and One Other

This publication is a COLLECTION according to ISFDB standards. A CHAPTERBOOK's content is limited to a single work of fiction and any accoompanying essays and interiorart work. Mhhutchins 04:46, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks. --Chris J 04:52, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Astounding Science Fiction, June 1957 (UK)

I changed the review of Ciba Foundation Symposium which appears on page 115 of this issue into an ESSAY, because it created two stray authors (i.e. authors without publication records). It now matches the US printing of the issue. Thanks. Mhhutchins 14:56, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 21:27, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Needless disambiguation

During this discussion the editor brought up this record as a source for their disambiguation of the introduction. I'm not sure if disambiguating the introduction is necessary when it has a unique title. The original purpose of disambiguation was to make generic titles unique, not just to add the title of the book to the title of the introduction. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:02, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I will have to change a lot when I come across them. --Chris J 06:04, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Title format of bi-monthly issues of periodicals

When entering the titles of bi-monthly periodicals, you should use a dash, and not a slash, regardless of how it's stated in the publication. This standard is explained here (under "Missing or variant Dates"). The issues of this periodical will have to be corrected. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:32, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

The editor records and cover art records will also have to adjusted as well. Mhhutchins 23:37, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Doctor Who Encyclopaedia

Can you confirm that there is an ISBN-13 in this 1996 publication? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 18:26, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

The ISBN on the copyright page is an ISBN-10. I have changed it in the publication data. --Chris J 05:48, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Chris Moore's The Forever War cover

I've been finding several anomalies with incorrect SF Masterworks covers when they appear sourced as Amazon images. Unless your verified pub is a later printing, it did not have this cover back in 1999 as per your pub date; this particular cover illustration (also by Moore) first appeared a few years later, and the correct image for the 1999 edition is here. What's the printing and/or year of your edition? Thanks for looking. PeteYoung 04:21, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

I've had a hunt around and can't find my copy. My son might have it. As it was a while ago I'm not sure of the cover. To be on the safe side I will remove the cover image. Thanks. --Chris J 04:38, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Introduction to Crash

Hello, Chris. Would you be so kind to determine if the said Introduction in your verified book does fit to this beginning: "The marriage of reason and nightmare which has dominated the 20th century ..." and this ending: "Needless to say, the ultimate role of Crash! is cautionary, a warning against ..." (last two words are "technological landscape). I'd like to find out if this Introduction and the other can be varianted. Thanks, Christian Stonecreek 17:54, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I'm sorry I can't help as I've had a big cleanout in the last 6 months and the book has gone. I've now changed the verification on this book. --Chris J 20:00, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Best of Trek 15

Added a cover artist credit and related note to your verified pub The Best of Trek 15. Thanks. PeteYoung 14:46, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

SF Masterworks ed. of Star Maker

Chris, a couple of things with your verified pub, a copy of which I also have to hand. Firstly, the Foreword by Aldiss is as by "Brian W. Aldiss", not "Brian Aldiss". Secondly, concerning the Glossary: It has an introduction by Harvey Satty on page 261-262, The Glossary was written by Stapledon himself, as Satty makes clear in his introduction; I've also added a recent SF Masterworks (II) edition here, which has identical Contents to this edition, and where you can see the Note I've added re. the Glossary. PeteYoung 17:23, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

I got rid of my SF books recently so I have now unverified the edition. You can go ahead and change things and verify it now. Thanks. --Chris J 20:45, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

The Departure

Hello, I added a few notes on this pub you verified from my copy. --Pips55 22:05, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Links to cover images on non-permitting websites

The links to cover images in this publication record and this one go to a website which hasn't given us permission to link to its files, and should be removed. It would also be a good idea to welcome the new editor and inform them of the policy. You might want to also ask the submitter about the pub format on one of them which is currently entered as "unknown" and the odd price given in the other one. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:06, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Recent integration

You moderated the submission from a new editor adding this record to the database. It has an image linked to a non-permitting website, the wrong pub format, and an incorrect page count. According to the OCLC record, the page count is 367, and is 23 cm tall, making it a "tp". I also doubt there's a subtitle, which is not mentioned in the OCLC record, which records titles from the title page, like us. Thanks for checking it out. Mhhutchins 04:49, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

The Breath of God

You verified The Breath of God as a transient, but are the only source for the information, so I'll ask: Spectrum 17 shows the cover art attributed to Gregory Manchess. Any chance to verify the cover artist? Bob 04:09, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm sure it was Justin Sweet. Worldcat and ABE also have it as Justin Sweet --Chris J 04:36, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
Adding to the above. I found this picture on a Gregory Manchess here. So it could be a publishers error in the book? --Chris J 06:30, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
This Harry Turtledove wiki also credits Sweet. I would suggest updating the cover art title record, changing the artist credit to Manchess, providing the source for the credit, and noting the publisher error. Mhhutchins 16:32, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for ....

completing the contents add for Elementary -- I accidentally hit RETURN and was waiting for the approval then had to wait for work to be over... Susan O'Fearna 01:35, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

The Tribe of Gum

My second printing of your verified pub has an essay titled 'Doctor Who: The Beginning' on page 9, credited to John McElroy on the copyright page (under "Introductory texts"). Does your first printing have the same? Thanks for looking. PeteYoung 09:55, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

My copy also has an essay titled 'Background' on page 15, also ostensibly by John McElroy. PeteYoung 10:00, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
Further, I see that 'Doctor Who: The Scripts' has been entered as a Title Series. Wouldn't it be more accurately catalogued as a Pub series? PeteYoung 16:20, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
I finally found my sons copy. He has boxes of books. Yes to your 3 questions. You can change all 3 if you like. Cheers. --Chris J 21:58, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Variant submissions by Biomassbob

Please do no accept submissions varianting the non-English language titles. They should be rejected. Please see the note I left on his talk page. Feel free to accept the submissions for English language titles. Thanks. Mhhutchins 06:49, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Astounding, Sep 1952 [UK]

Can you confirm the credit for the story "Cosmophyte" in this issue? The US edition credits the story to Julian Chain, and it's in a series credited to the same author. It's unusual for a reprint magazine to have a different credit. Julian Fane was a British author who wrote one dystopian novel and had no other sf credits that I'm aware of. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 03:13, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Toc and story page both have it as by Julian Fane. --Chris J 03:23, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Good. Now I need to make sure the US edition is correctly credited. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:17, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
I've disambiguated the name of the author of "Cosmophyte". Mhhutchins 04:29, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Penguin edition of The Space Merchants

Hello, Chris. I have added the price and a note to this.

A question: woulddn't the credit for cover design qualify for an artist's credit in this case, considering other pieces by Pelham for Penguin? Christian Stonecreek 10:02, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes you are right. I will change it. --Chris J 23:50, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Delta and the Bannerman

Regarding your verified Delta and the Bannerman: The publication record is 'Bannerman', but the title record is 'Bannermen'. Given the cover also shows 'Bannermen', is this a typo in the publication record? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 12:32, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Typo. Now fixed. Thanks. --Chris J 22:29, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Three-Bladed Doom

Expanded notes (number line & price statements) for your verified Three-Bladed Doom. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 21:10, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Titling illustrations

If the illustrations in this publication are not associated with a story, they should be titled as the issue which they illustrate, i.e. "Dreams & Nightmares, #78, 2007" with disambiguation if more than one piece by the same artist appears in the same issue. This is based on the ISFDB standard of titling interiorart records for the work they illustrate. Since they don't illustrate a specific story, they are deemed to illustrate the publication (like we do for interiorart records for novels.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:48, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Changes for my Recent Edits

Hi Chris,

I wanted to make the changes regarding birthplace and date of birth because some of that information is used by various institutions (banks, credit card companies, hospitals, etc.) to verify my identity; therefore, I do not want this information to appear on the Internet or in the public domain. Can you please make the changes so that the above information is not available.


Lisa Mannetti

Not in Kansas

A book published in 2004 would not have an ISBN-13, so I changed the ISBN of this record to the ISBN-10. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:22, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Hawkmoon redux

This pub that we both verified: I revised the pub notes. I also took the liberty to add a content record for the map. Finally, I added the missing page reference ("[6]") to the "Dear Reader" essay. The map + the new page reference also required that the "Pages" field of the pub record be changed from "646" to "[10]+646". If you don't agree with some or all of this, let me know so that we can discuss what to revert. Cheers, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 16:16, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Fixer: John Bowen and Heidi Garrett

Thanks for working on Fixer's submissions! Fixer would thank you in person, but he is only 6 (or, to be more exact, he will turn 6 in about a month) and his spelling is still iffy :-)

Unfortunately, Fixer has a major weakness when it comes to SF writers with identical names. When he sees a book by a "John Bowen", he has no way of telling whether the author is "our" John Bowen, born in 1924 and about to turn 90, or his 30ish namesake who has just published his first thriller. Similarly, Fixer can't tell whether the Heidi Garrett who co-wrote the last two volumes of the Noomas series with Charles Nuetzel is the same "Heidi Garrett" as the author of the "Daughter of Light" fantasy series -- apparently not since the latter doesn't mention the Noomas books on her bibliography page.

I have disambiguated these authors, but I am afraid I have no way of reliably preventing these kinds of problems from re-occurring in the future. I look for suspicious entries in Fixer's internal queues and sometimes I catch these types of issues, but it would be great if approving moderators could examine the authors of Fixer's NewPubs to confirm that we don't have doppelgangers.

Anyway, thanks again for working on Fixer's submissions! Ahasuerus 04:06, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

I added the Canadian price to your verified

I added the Canadian price to your verified [26].Don Erikson 22:41, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Duplicate ISBNs on two Doctor Who titles

Can you confirm that this printing has the same ISBN as a printing of another title? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 02:01, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Have rechecked books and both have the same ISBN.--Chris J 02:38, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for looking. Adding a note to each pub record will prevent future editors from making the same inquiry. Thanks again. Mhhutchins 03:14, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Astounding Science Fiction October 1948 (UK Edition)

I have changed the Pub Format for this edition from Digest to Pulp as the copy I own is the standard pulp size of 6.5"x9.5". (First ISFDB edit and first use of these Talk pages, so fingers crossed this edit and message appears!).

Cheers Wobber 15:15, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

All OK. Thanks. --Chris J 20:28, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

The Prism Moon

This 2010 publication was entered with an ISBN-10. There was no source for the data of this record given in the Notes, but it's likely that either the publication date is wrong (as the ISBN range from this publisher would suggest) or that it should have an ISBN-13 (if the date is correct). Can you check your source to determine which scenario applies? OCLC gives the book a 1993 copyright date and Amazon gives it a publication date of September 10, 2002. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 08:08, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Date should have been 2002-09-10 as per Amazon and Worldcat. First edition was 1993. Have fixed. --Chris J 01:01, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Science Fantasy

Hello, I'm going to make some minor adjustements to the last issues of Science Fantasy (from #65 to #81) like changing authorship of _Pink Plastic Gods_ from Brian W. Aldiss to Brian Aldiss and uploading covers. Hauck 16:25, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Swan Song

An oldie as far as PVs go. Is the price on [this] as noted 50p?? or a typo. For '78 that's pretty low and I just can't find anything to verify it's existence except the record. BLIC has 60p and several Abebooks sellers [annoyed at answering such a query] the same. Hopefully you still have the book! Thanks! --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:17, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

No I don't have the book anymore, so I'll play it safe and delete this edition to be on the safe side.--Chris J 23:22, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

2009 & 2010 publications with ISBN-10

You created publication records for three 2009-2020 books using ISBN-10s, when it's very likely they had ISBN-13s. The three records are here, here, and here. (All showed up on a clean-up report which finds such records.) Since both Amazon and OCLC give both ISBNs, it's important to enter all post-2007 records with the ISBN-13. Thanks. Mhhutchins 07:19, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

PubUpdate approvals

A bit ago I approved a bunch of PubUpdates from Don Erickson, but hadn't yet dealt with 4 updates where he was changing records of Primary Verified pubs. I was going to write him and tell him that he should notify those primary verifiers that he was changing their records. But before I could do that, I see you approved those changes, apparently without suggesting to him that he should tell other verifiers about the changes. The relevant pub updates are here, here, here, and here. Did I misunderstand how the approval process works? For example, since each of these edits was just adding a better cover image, is that something that doesn't normally require notification? Chavey 22:40, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Don knows to notify the primary verifiers he is adding covers or changing bits. He has been sending in submissions for a long time now. If someome is putting on a better cover image and it is exactly the same I approve the submission. --Chris J 22:52, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. That seems reasonable, so I'll adopt that policy as well. Chavey 18:35, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Astounding, December 1956 [UK]

Can you confirm the review for The Boy Who Discovered the Earth on page 123 in this issue? I was merging the reviews from this UK reprint with the ones in the original US edition and saw that it doesn't include this review. I'll leave a note on the talk page of the Primary Verifiers of that record to check to see if they missed that review. (I'm asking this before adding a publication record for the missing title being reviewed.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:40, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes the review is there. It is the first review on page 123. I have added the book to the database. --Chris J 20:36, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Quick work! Thanks so much. Mhhutchins 21:00, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

I added the Canadian price to your verified

I added the Canadian price to your verified [27].Don Erikson 21:34, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Banville's Eclipse

This record which you added to the database yesterday showed up on a clean-up report last night because it has the same ISBN as this one already in the database. The record should be deleted and the date of the title record should be changed back to 2000 (according to Wikipedia). Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:55, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Two records with the same ISBN

You created two records yesterday that contain the same ISBN: here and here (they showed up on the most recent clean-up report). You give Amazon as one of your sources, but the ISBN doesn't show up on Amazon. I don't have the February issue of Locus yet, so I can't check there. (When did they start listing ebooks? I hadn't noticed!) And I can't find the ISBN listed on any page of the publisher's website. Can you confirm the ISBNs of these records? Thanks. Mhhutchins 07:39, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

I found a listing on Barnes & Noble that gives the ISBN of Worlds Apart as 978-1-4976-9238-1. Does that match your source? Mhhutchins 07:43, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Locus magazine has both ebooks with the same ISBN. Have checked with Barnes & Noble and fixed 'Worlds Apart". Locus has been listing ebooks for awhile now. Some are listed with ISBN's and some without. It's only from the Feb. issue that I started listing them (thinking Locus will have the data right) as different sites you go to have different data. --Chris J 08:01, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

The Dark Man Omnibus

If the artist wasn't credited for the cover of this publication, why was the record giving "Peter A. Jones" credit? I changed it to Peter Jones, since that is the canonical form of the artist's name. It's ISFDB standard to use the canonical form when the credit is from a secondary source. Please add that source to the note field when you get a chance. Thanks. Mhhutchins 06:59, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


A 2011 publication would probably have an ISBN-13. Worldcat (one of the sources) gives it as "9783453534018". I couldn't find anything on the other source (the author's website). Actually, I don't believe Tanith Lee has a website, unless you count this which is only a splash page. Thanks. Mhhutchins 06:25, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Something from the Nightside

Re this publication record: A book published in 2003 would not have an ISBN-13. Also, a book published 12 years ago will very likely have a different price. Perhaps your source is for a more recent ebook edition?

One last thing, ebooks don't have pages so the page count field should be blank. (One exception: PDF formatted ebooks.) Mhhutchins 06:49, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

All data was from reliable sources - Barnes & Noble and the publisher. Who can we believe? You are right about the price as that indicates it was later than 2003. I will recheck the 100's I have put on and change if needed. Thanks. --Chris J 21:17, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
The publication record came up on a clean-up report which finds a) ISBN-13s on pre-2005 publications and b) ISBN-10s on post-2007 publications. I've corrected several thousand records over the past year which matched that description, so the database is basically clean of that error. (That only leaves the years 2005 - 2007 with questionable ISBNs.) So now I only have to clear the occasional record that pops up on the nightly run of the report, like the subject of this discussion. It's a good rule of thumb to enter ISBN-10 for pre-2005 records and ISBN-13 for post-2007 records, even if the source is reliable, it's usually wrong about which ISBN is stated in the publication. I've found that only OCLC distinguishes the stated ISBN from the derived ISBN. They list the stated one first, followed by the derived one, which is how the ISFDB displays ISBNs as well. Mhhutchins 22:23, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Galaxy SF mag No. 41

I have replaced the non ISFDB source for the artwork of this magazine with a scan from my own copy. --Mavmaramis 15:31, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

The Chronicles of Castle Brass

Replaced Amazon cover of this book with one scanned fromk my own copy. --Mavmaramis 07:53, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

The Mutant Weapon vs. Med Service

Please see ISFDB:Community Portal#The Mutant Weapon vs. Med_Service as a primary verifier of Astounding Science Fiction, December 1957 (UK). Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:47, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Default display of non-English translations

When you get a chance, could you please review this discussion? The proposal basically boils down to changing the behavior of the Summary Bibliography when the viewing user is not logged in. Currently only English translations are displayed for unauthenticated users. The proposal would change it to displaying all translations. The downside is that the Summary page could get longer and harder to navigate.

I am trying to get a sense of how widespread the support for this change is. TIA! Ahasuerus 01:03, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Frost Bites

This publication shows up on a clean-up report because it has an ISBN-10. Also, there's no source for the data, so I couldn't determine whether it should have an ISBN-13. According to OCLC, it does contain an ISBN-13. Please update the record's ISBN when you get a chance and add your source for the data. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 06:31, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Engines of God - number line

I'm checking my 1996 Voyager edition of Engines of God against your PV1'd edition, which looks the same, except for mine having a number line indicating a 2nd printing:

               A Paperback Original 1996 
                   3 5 7 9 8 6 4 2

Since everything else is the same , could you say how this compares to yours? Thanks, Astrodan 00:25, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry I can't help you as I've had a cleanout since 2007 and that copy has gone --Chris J 00:32, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
No worries, I'll probably have to do something similar soon, unless I can get hold of some of those mythical multi-dimensional bookshelves.... In the meantime I'll just do a pub clone with explanation note. Thanks, Astrodan 09:15, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Hawkmoon - Year and pub note

I've amended the 'Year' field in your PV1'd Hawkmoon to show the month, from Locus1, and added a pub note on the same info. Astrodan 21:17, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

The Amtrak Wars: Cloud Warrior - artist ID

Hi, I've just verified the 1983 Sphere edition of The Amtrak Wars: Book 1 Cloud Warrior using my copy, but haven't been able to add anything to the question of the cover artist's ID. I also saw that you'd done secondary verifications from Locus1 for two later Sphere editions here and here, which have identical covers, matching mine. As you can see, their covers are credited to two different artists, Jim Burns and Mark Harrison respectively.

Have you any views on the provenance of either ID, or were they just submitted by the original uploading editor(s)? Thanks, Astrodan 11:04, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Locus has Mark Harrison as cover artist for the Dec. 1989 issue. I have no idea about the Jim Burns cover so have deleted his name and left the Mark Harrison one --Chris J 21:13, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Bad link

This publication record shows up on a clean-up report which finds bad links in the Note field. Looks like it's just bad HTML. You should also use the Permalink which is found in the upper right of every OCLC record, not the URL in your browser's address window. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 09:06, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Speak of the Devil

This publication appears on a clean-up report for authors with invalid spacing. See the last story in the listing. There are a couple of other problems with that story. Is the author's name in the title? Also standard capitalization would make it "Day". Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 07:36, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Also, you've not provided a source for the publication's data. Mhhutchins|talk 07:38, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

I saved this while I was still working on it in case anything happened. I'm about to finish it now --Chris J 07:46, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

David Hughes mix-up

Hi! I think that the three David Hughes we have in the database somehow get mixed up. While this one has also some screenplay credits, per Wikipedia he is a novelist, with not much affiliation to modern cinema and tv shows. This other we only have identified as author of two shortfiction pieces, while the third one is largely unidentified and his works may actually be attributable to the other two. Is there for example evidence that the novelist did the cover art for this book? Stonecreek 19:36, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

No there is no evidence except for Locus which David Hughes it is. All I can find on the net is 'Cover art by David Hughes / Hotfoot Studio' --Chris J 20:32, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
Mabye it'd be better to establish 'David Hughes (cover artist)' for that David Hughes? There's a Hotfoot Studio specializing in pottery, so maybe we should establish 'David Hughes (potterer)', as the other cover & interior art we have seems to be drawn. What would you make out of this? Stonecreek 04:13, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
I added 'David Hughes (illustrator)' for the drawings we have. Stonecreek 04:53, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Unnatural History

I've uploaded a cover for our verified Unnatural History that isn't over-saturated, replacing the Amazon image. Thanks. PeteYoung 10:54, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Untitled artwork

Re this publication: Per ISFDB standards state "Interior art should have the same title as the fiction or essay it is associated with. If it is independent of other content, and has no apparent title or caption, give it the title of the publication in which it appears, disambiguating if necessary." See the subsection "Artwork" here. Also, the titles for the pseudonym "P. S. Nim" should be varianted to the canonical author. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 00:29, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Utopia by Cridge

I changed this publication to CHAPBOOK. It's not likely that 40,000 words could fit on 30 pages. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 18:09, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Possible Typo

Here is a possible typo:

Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:16, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Variant without a pseudonym

You created a variant without creating a pseudonym, thus created a stray publication. Mhhutchins|talk 05:16, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Pseudonym based on misattributed review

Re Hans/Hanns Gobsch: We don't create a pseudonym based on the misattributed review. (See "Author" under the Review help section.) I will correct the review record which will break the pseudonym and delete the author ("Hans Gobsch") from the database. Mhhutchins|talk 16:41, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Titling bimonthly periodicals

I noticed that several publications for bimonthly magazines which you have either primary verified or used Locus1 as your source use a slash (/) instead of a dash (-) to separate the months in the title field (this periodical for example.) It is IFSDB standard to use the dash, i.e. "January-February 2016" and not "January/February 2016". I've changed about a dozen of them and will continue to search for them. Please keep this mind for future entries of this type. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 00:49, 4 April 2016 (UTC)


The author of [this] is not listed in Currey. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:38, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Locus1 key

You have verified 10,000s of publs from Locus1 data and I suppose you have added many novels from that source. Only this hour I learned that that is available online. I don't quickly find a key online. Is there one?

At the moment in particular I wonder what is the meaning of the two dates with the second in square brackets, such as " Oct ’87 [Nov ’87]" A2470.5 at

Thanks in advance. --Pwendt|talk 00:53, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

The date in square brackets means the date the book was first seen and what Locus magazine issue it was mentioned in. The unbracketed date is the book issue date. --Chris J 01:53, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. --Pwendt|talk 19:24, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

The Marked Man

I guess the cover artist of this pub should be J. K. Potter. See here. Same ISBN, same price. --Zapp 12:59, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

This info was copied from Locus. This third printing is a reprint so it might have a different cover or locus has got it wrong. To be on the safe side I have deleted the cover artist. --Chris J 23:41, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Planet Problems: Science Fiction That Could Happen

Hello, can you have a look at this pub, it may be a CHAPBOOK instead of a NOVEL (so needing a content). Thanks. Hauck 09:58, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Hitty and other dolls

Hi. Two months ago you added Hitty, Her First Hundred Years T1980506, evidently from Reginald1. That is interesting to me because I submitted a copy of the 62nd printing this winter, Submission 2956209. Mhhutchins rejected that one after some wait and discussion; I read the book and provided more information, User talk:Pwendt#Hitty, Her First Hundred Years.

Do you add all titles from Reginald, or select?

When you work with that source again, please tell me whether it lists either of these.

  • Memoirs of a London Doll by R. H. Horne A173469
  • Miss Hickory T1484077 by Carolyn Sherwin Bailey
The former 1833? (or 1846[28]) classic is or was originally Memoirs of a London Doll, Written by Herself, edited by Mrs. Fairstar. now shows three recent eds. with "Look Inside!" a facsimile edition [29] of the 1922 ed. illustrated by E. L. Brock (1922, OCLC 907504957).
--Pwendt|talk 20:32, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I submitted Hitty after reading our entries for "borderline spec-fic" children's novels Miss Hickory and A Little Princess T174201.

--Pwendt|talk 20:15, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi. Firstly most of the books I find in Reginald I enter in the database. There is a few I have missed out thinking they didn't qualify but I could be wrong without reading them. The other 2 books you mentioned aren't in Reginald --Chris J 00:36, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Publisher: Cheshire

See Publisher: Cheshire of Melbourne, etc --with my January note.

Do you know of Cheshire as an Australian publisher?

There are two Cheshire publications now in the database, one 1969 that I added in January and one 1968 from you in May. I believe that "Cheshire" is sometimes a catalogue error for "Chesire" at the US Library of Congress and WorldCat libraries (some of which follow LC), and that the 1969 book I added in January is one instance. I suggested that to LC by email at the time, but received no reply to this one (as I do to more certain error reports).

One Australian bookseller does identify the publisher of Peter Graves, 1969 as "F.W. Chesire Publishing Pty Ltd, Melbourne" (at; at I propose to update its publisher from Cheshire to "F. W. Chesire". The latter will be a new publisher in the database and it will leave your pamphlet SF, 1968 alone credited to Chesire.

These links may help you judge whether the pamphlet is also published by F. W. Chesire.

LC Online Catalog

(offline this weekend)

publisher includes 'chesire' (5; four as F. W. Chesire; one as Longman Chesire)

1947 ; 1961 ; 1962 ; 1967 ; 1987

(Meanwhile, many records credit publisher names that include 'cheshire'.)

WorldCat search
'f. w. chesire' 30 hits
'melbourne: chesire' 15 hits

--Pwendt|talk 20:27, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Does this link help Frank Walter Cheshire --Chris J 21:29, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. I don't believe ANB wrong about the spelling of his name. This leaves me astonished by the very great number of catalogue records for 'Chesire' books, because "cheshire" is a common word and "chesire" is new to me.
Rather than leave all to "Webpages:", I submitted a new version of the Note that displays the man's name and lifespan and our source.
--Pwendt|talk 20:45, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Additions to Notes for Casino Infernale

I have added to the Notes for Casino Infernale - the series name on title page, some more detailed info on what is on copyright page, cover artist also per verified hardcover, and a link to archived publisher's site. Also added note about myself being second Primary Transient verifier since ISFDB doesn't support that in the verification section. BungalowBarbara 05:09, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. --Chris J 20:58, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

HTML in titles

Hello Chris, please remember that HTML is not allowed in titles and shows up in our cleanup reports. I've corrected the italics included in some titles of this pub. Hauck 08:08, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I didn't know about that. --Chris J 21:02, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
No problem, please also note that there are some titles left by non english authors (Cesares, Lainez, Calvino, etc.) that are not varianted to their original publication (which may not exist in the db) and show on one of our cleanup report. Can you have a look? If you can't determinate the original title, just set its language to "english" (they are without language for the time being). Thanks. Hauck 08:15, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

The Idea: The Motto Excelsior

Hello Chris, the two OMNIBUSES that you created appear on one of our cleanup reports because they don't have any contents. Can you fill them? Thanks. Hauck 08:03, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Fantasma Land

Hi. I suppose you entered all the data for the 1st ed. P269865. I will add more there and at the Title record. Do you know whether Reginald1 is the source concerning the origin, "written and illustrated by the author for his daughter"? --Pwendt|talk 20:23, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi. No Reginald1 was not the source for the notes or price. I remember it was already there. If you think it is wrong please delete it.--Chris J 21:39, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, Chris. As I depart I see that you are now at work as moderator. I found little information about Fantasma Land (or Emblemland) in daily newspapers but some hits in other periodicals that i have no time to read now, hope to skim later. --Pwendt|talk 00:06, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Masterpieces of Fantasy and Wonder

I asked MLB a question about the Barrie excerpts in Masterpieces of Fantasy and Wonder, and they replied that they didn't know about it. Since you also verified that anthology, could you chime in-- especially if it was you who decided to give the excerpts titles like "The Thrush's Nest (excerpt)". Thanks --Vasha77 23:22, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

All I did was import data from the verified editions. You can check here.--Chris J 23:42, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

The Encyclopedia of Fantasy

The Cover image for The Encyclopedia of Fantasy is from Amazon. My copy has "Winner of the World Fantasy Award" along the top instead of "Winner of the Hugo Award". Would you like me to upload my cover? --AndyjMo 16:13, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Deadly Quicksilver Lies

I've replaced the Amazon cover for Deadly Quicksilver Lies with a scan of my copy. --AndyjMo 15:06, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Supernatural Steam, John Attwood Brooks?

John Attwood Brooks (born 1939) LCCN n50-062452 ("Browse catalog", but this book is not in LCCat), at VIAF, at WorldCat

The combination of Ghosts and Railway Tours in his resume makes him seem the likely writer of Supernatural Steam P264550.

I found this record because it is the only one in the database for "Jarrold Publishing", where we have many Jarrold(s) books from 1896 to 1966 Publisher search.

--Pwendt|talk 01:43, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

I have changed a few things on J. A Brooks page. Thanks for the info. --Chris J 01:58, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
OK. Today I found and added info that linkis and distinguishes the three Jarrold(s) publishers, the older ones relatively prolific in this database. See eg Publisher 2906, Jarrolds. --Pwendt|talk 17:23, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Pratchett's Thud!

I've added a note to our verified Thud!, with edition and artist details and the Canadian cover price. PeteYoung 09:29, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

James R. Osgood, McIlvaine & Co.

Hi Chris. I see you are at work now. You use Reginald, if I recall correctly. When you have a chance, check P438536 for whether that source really says 1894 and "James R. Osgood, McIlvaine & Co.". (I expect 1893 or "Osgood, McIlvaine & Co.", not this combination. --Pwendt|talk 03:59, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Sorry I can't help as I use Reginald 1 and this title was verified from Reginald 3. Worldcat has this published by Osgood, McIlvaine, 1894 and by James R. Osgood, McIlvaine & Co. 1893. The National Library of Australia has it published by Osgood, McIlvaine, 1894. --Chris J 04:15, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

The Man with the Golden Torc

I have made some additions to the Notes for your verified copy of The Man with the Golden Torc, with more details about what is on the copyright page and cover. BungalowBarbara 05:35, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

John Wyndham's "The Chrysalids"

You verified this pub of The Chrysalids under the Locus1 reference. It claims 65th printing, £6.99 and cover artist Mark Salwowski. I have a copy in hand that has a number line that states only 65, is priced at £7.99 ($8.99 in Canada) and has an illustrations credit on the back cover of Spencer Wilson. The cover on my copy matches Spencer's style (e.g. this pub). I'm not sure whether I should update the pub you verified or simply create another publication (for which I do not have a date). Any suggestions? Doug H 02:34, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I would create another publication and use the date 0000-00-00 just to be on the safe side. I don't know if Locus is right as there is a novel verified with Mike Salwowski as cover artist not Mark Salwowski. --Chris J 03:58, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Typos in secondary verifications

Submitted typo fixes in your Locus verified - the pub name from "The Unusual Life of Tristran Smith" to "The Unusual Life of Tristan Smith" and the cover from "The Unusual Life of Tristram Smith" to "The Unusual Life of Tristan Smith". I think I will have more fixed typos in the next hours/days (no primary verifiers so secondaries get the notifications) Anniemod 20:00, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

And another one submitted for a change: (The Lght Princess and Other Tales to The Light Princess and Other Tales) Anniemod 22:02, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. --Chris J 22:04, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Request for comment: Gods of Pegāna

Hi, just wanted to let you know that I've been verifying first editions of Dunsany collections and making some changes to canonical story titles that affect later editions that you verified. If you have any questions or objections, leave me a note. Thanks! --Vasha77 22:00, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Request for comment: Please look at the Community Portal where I explained (at possibly exhausting length) why there's a serious problem with all the editions of The Gods of Pegāna and proposed possible solutions. I'd appreciate some input... --Vasha77 00:09, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Messages from Mars

Hi, Chris. You verified P291850. Does Reginald1 give the title "Mars, By Aid" rather than "Mars by the Aid"? See the original at LWCurrey item 153389. Note also "J. S. Ogilvie, Publisher" not "Publishing Co."

Today I add some other data, later fix the title. Do we track errors in Reginald? --Pwendt|talk 23:55, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

For reference, 3 submissions now in the queue, with Note to Moderator [30], [31], [32]
And for the Title record SFE3: Braine closes, "The civilization inhabiting Mars, which is described at length, is a technocratic, socialistic, peaceful Utopia; the contrasts with contemporary American civilization are savagely put." --Pwendt|talk 00:20, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I have fixed the titles. I should have checked better. Thanks for picking this up. --Chris J 01:13, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
"by" should be lowercase here (except only when preceded by a colon, as I understand it) and I see no reason for the comma --Pwendt|talk 20:12, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

The Devil: A Tragedy by Ferenc Molnár ?

Chris (submitted at once with the one-liner above),
Re The Devil: A Tragedy of the Heart and Conscience P586810, how do you interpret the line from OCLC that I inserted (in the queue as i depart)?

"Responsibility: by Ferenc Molnar ; novelized by Joseph O'Brien from Henry W. Savage's great play"

Cf. Wikipedia: Ferenc Molnár --Pwendt|talk 20:12, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

I think it means the film was directed by Franz Molnar in 1921, novelized by Joseph O'Brien, and the play was directed by Henry W. Savage.--Chris J 20:25, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Cloning Backwards in time

Hello, when cloning a book "backwards" in time as you seemingly did with this collection, remember to adjust the dates of the contents lest they show up on one of our cleanup reports. Thanks. Hauck 09:52, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Minor additions to Notes on Daemons Are Forever

I made some minor additions to Notes on Daemons Are Forever - concerning source of cover artist, and a link to archived Amazon page at time of publication. BungalowBarbara 02:01, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Boxen, two 1st ed. UK

Chris, These two linked publication records now imply that Locus1 reports 360pp and 208pp for the 1985 first eds. of Boxen: The Imaginary World of the Young C. S. Lewis, namely Collins hc 579780 and Fount tp 283497.

One WorldCat record for the former [33] (states only the Collins hc ISBN) shows 206pp, which matches the 1st US ed. 283498 (book in hand, primary verification in progress). Two WorldCat records that give both Collins and Fount ISBN differ only in stating "includes index" [34] and "23cm" [35]. These may be records of the Fount tp.

All three report 206pp, which matches both the 1st US eds., 1985 hc and 1986 tp. I suppose that all four eds. have identical contents and pagination. --Pwendt|talk 19:33, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

I have altered the page count in the Collins edition to 206 and have left a note. --Chris J 20:34, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


You've verified this version of Truckers in Locus1. There seems to be a duplicate version created here which has been Primary Verified by a couple of people with Notes included. If you think these are the same records you could delete your verified version, update the Printing Month and mark yourself as Verify of Locus1. --AndyjMo 16:03, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

The Big Win

Hi Chris,

Can you check Reginald1 again for The Big Win and verify the cover artist name? Is it really spelled Bromley? It looks either as a misspelling in our DB for Peter Bramley or yet another alternative spelling for him if the book really spelled him with an "o"(we already know that he is sometimes spelled "Peter Bromely"). What do you think? Thanks! Annie 17:55, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Cover artist was from SF3 and they say Peter Bromley.--Chris J 22:33, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
Oops, I even saw the note and forgot to update my message. Sorry. I guess we do not have enough to connect them... Thanks for checking. Annie 00:22, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

The phantom tollbooth

sketched by cellphone and revised later

Chris. You approved my revision of P45260}, a record you had created from Locus1. Now I will try to restore that to your Locus1 state --with a warning and cross-reference.

  • 1988-11 date 255 pages, as I recall

The revision was my mistake based on Random House repeat use of ISBN 0394820371. Amazon now shows this ISBN for at least three stated editions: [36] [37] [38]

--the latter's "Look Inside!" book submitted next day 17:18

P298726 is a later ed. with that ISBN, also now with cross-reference. --Pwendt|talk 17:35, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

OCLC: 966528834 --unusually complete, for ISBN 0394820371 as 2011 Yearling 50th anniv. ed., which appears to be the one whose "Look Inside!" Amazon provides (above)
As yet we have the 50th anniv. ed. in hc format only, P360711 --Pwendt|talk 20:07, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
Now I submitted the "Look Inside!" book, 2005-09 printing of the 35th Anniv. Ed. (paper but I don't know pb or tp)[39] and the 2011 tp format 50th Anniv. Ed.[40], both with linked notes that ISBN is re-used from 1988. --Pwendt|talk 17:19, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Puck of Pook's Hill contents

Chris, Concerning the 1st eds. UK 26965 and US 576381 you note for the latter, "Has several more stories than the British edition." I have annotated your OCLC links in both publication records, with no other change yet. You cite Bleiler and Reginald and I wonder whether they have anything to say about the scope of the editions. If you rely on the linked OCLC records alone, the difference is that one lists story Contents, for the 1st UK as x+306 pp; the other lists stories and poems (and notes "Contains both prose and verse"), for the 1st US as 277 pp.

I haven't yet visited contemporary newspapers or HathiTrust Digital Library for Puck of Pook's Hill. Maybe tomorrow. Then I will expand one or both of our two records. I expect to learn that both contain both the stories and the poems.

P.S. The first serial number of Puck contains I. Weland's Sword with some internal poetry and 6 illustrations. The Strand Magazine issue 31:1 p48-56. --23:36

--Pwendt|talk 23:31, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Changes to John G. Hemry/Jack Campbell pubs

I am changing John G. Hemry's canonical name to Jack Campbell; this is affecting some of your verified publications. --Vasha 17:45, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Jeremy Thatcher, Dragon Hatcher

Chris, You entered the 1991 Jane Yolen ed. P18959 as 117 pages, among other things. Does Locus1 give that page-count? I submitted the interior illustrations, new page-count 148, and a Note that links library records and cites "Locus1 evidently, as 117 pages probably". --Pwendt|talk 01:20, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Another WorldCat record gives 148pp for a copy signed and inscribed by the author, which seems to confirm that this is the 1st ed. hardcover, OCLC 780935437. --Pwendt|talk 01:24, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Yes Locus1 gives page count as 117.--Chris J 02:03, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. My residual of your information now notes "Month, price, cover artist from Locus1 as 117 pages", with Pages:148 above. --Pwendt|talk 18:39, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

The Princess and the Goblin

posted also at User talk:Hauck#The Princess and the Goblin

Regarding two yesterday submissions, --logged in My Recent Edits as approved by ChrisJ[41] and approved by Hauck[42]-- it appears to me that the 1920 and 1986 publications have been merged. Can the later publication be restored as I submitted it (the latter submission 3399152)?

I will shorten publication Notes, having learned that Locus1 is the source for that Afterword by Peter Glassman, which library records and Amazon don't mention. (For 1989 At the Back of the North Wind P3267 in the same series, ChrisJ marked Locus1 as source, but no one has done so for 1986 Goblin.) The Locus 1984-1998 bibliography states:

  • Goblin, 1986 : "(Morrow/Books of Wonder ... There’s a new afterword by Peter Glassman." (at Locus1 1984-1998)
  • North Wind, 1989 : "(William Morrow ... There is a new afterword by series editor Peter Glassman."

We now have 1 record for Books of Wonder as a publication series[43] and 32 for "Books of Wonder / William Morrow" as an imprint[44] so I will unify as an imprint with a publisher note.

By the way, from a one-time contributor (Glassman himself?) we have the blurb Bio:Peter Glassman, "owner of Books of Wonder, a New York City bookstore and publisher". --Pwendt|talk 14:35, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

No "undo" per Hauck, so I reconstructed the Books of Wonder edition. I added Notes to both publication records that explain the Books of Wonder afterword, in turn from Locus1. I don't know when it is appropriate to "secondary verify" from Locus1, so I did not. --Pwendt|talk 19:26, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Conan the Mercenary

Can you check Conan the Mercenary? the cover plainly says BOLTON who is John Bolton... Thx Susan O'Fearna 08:18, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

The data is from Locus1 who are usually right, but I think the cover is from an earlier edition so I have removed it. --Chris J 21:43, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

The Kelpie's Pearl(s)

Chris, Does Reginald give the singular title Pearl? T1652183 --Pwendt|talk 16:22, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

I added the 1966 1st US ed., certainly "Pearls"
The cited 1964 WorldCat record and review both give "Pearls" so I changed the Titles and the 1964 publication to "Pearls" (and notified 1968 verifier). If Reginald gives "Pearl" you might add a note. --Pwendt|talk 20:26, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
Reginald gives title as Pearls. A typo on my part. Thanks.--Chris J 21:40, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Dino Buzzati

Currey does not list this author. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:39, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Mark Bannon

Currey does not list [this] author. --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:35, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

The Chrysalids per Locus

You verified this pub as a 65th printing under Locus1. I have in hand another pub that also claims to be a 65th printing albeit with a different price. I'm not a follower of Locus and don't know how reliable it is. Should these entries be merged in some way? Doug H 09:17, 18 July 2017 (EDT)

Locus1 is usually reliable but does make mistakes. A book in hand is the best evidence. I will delete my entry. --Chris J 17:51, 18 July 2017 (EDT)

Amazon e-books

Hi Chris,

Can you please start adding the ASIN when you are adding Amazon e-books? Unlike print books, even when e-books have ISBNs, they have a separate B0 ASIN as well. Otherwise duplicates are getting created (when someone adds the same book based only on ASIN but with no ISBN for example) or if Amazon forgets the ISBN on its next iteration, the ASIN based book can be added again by mistake. We are gearing towards having Fixer be able to add books based on ASINs only (when Amazon does not know ISBN) so having the records properly linked will help. I noticed you added this one just now so decided to chime in and ask. Thanks in advance! Annie 18:30, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

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