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Astounding Magazines

I will be adding additional content (editorials, illustrations, and reviews) to magazines you may have verified. The first is March 1957. Thx, rbh (Bob) 10:48, 29 Mar 2008 (CDT)

If you're going to add content, make sure what I have is right, and go ahead and make the Verifacation yours. CoachPaul 01:39, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Seven Come Infinity - Gold Medal

CoachPaul, I was doing some research into Publisher:Fawcett Gold Medal and am wondering if you could help with bracketing when the publisher made a change.

You have a copy of Fawcett #d1752 Seven Come Infinity and I'm wondering if the spine and title page say "Gold Medal Book" or "Fawcett Gold Medal Book." See Publisher:Fawcett Gold Medal#Gold Medal and Fawcett Gold Medal. I picked your book as it's verified and about mid-way between #d1583 which I know is "Gold Medal" and #d1823 which I know is "Fawcett Gold Medal." Thanks! Marc Kupper (talk) 06:52, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

My copy has "A Fawcett Gold Medal Classic" on the front cover, and "A Fawcett Gold Medal Book" on the spine and on the Title Page. I hope this helped.CoachPaul 21:54, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

The Dying Earth

Please look at ISFDB:Community Portal#The Dying Earth if you have a chance. I want to change this work from a Novel to a Collection, and you verified one of it's pubs. -DES Talk 15:51, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

WIP

As requested: 

	pub_id	Pub_Title
	12175	Emerald Magic
	13227	Far Horizons: The Great Worlds of Science Fiction
	194389	The Dragon Magazine, August 1980 - Issue #40
	194401	The Dragon Magazine, October 1980 - Issue #42
	179473	Adventures in Tomorrow
	192173	Nova 1
	184261	The Dragon Magazine, February 1980 - Issue #34
	182261	Dragontales
	184265	The Dragon Magazine, March 1980 - Issue #35
	184817	The Outdated Man
	194441	Dragon Magazine, December 1980 - Issue #44
	194329	The Dragon Magazine, May 1980 - Issue #37
	194337	The Dragon Magazine, June 1980 - Issue #38
	194345	The Dragon Magazine, April 1980 - Issue #36
	194365	The Dragon Magazine, July 1980 - Issue #39
	194397	The Dragon Magazine, September 1980 - Issue #41
	194417	The Dragon Magazine, November 1980 - Issue #43
	200549	Robot Visions
	201573	Fantasy Voyages Great Science Fiction from the Saturday Evening Post
	201669	100 Great Science Fiction Short Short Stories
	201877	Dragon Magazine, February 1981 - Issue #46
	201881	Dragon Magazine, August 1981 - Issue #52
	201885	Dragon Magazine, October 1981 - Issue #54
	202009	Dragon Magazine, November 1981 - Issue # 55
	209141	Fifty Short Science Fiction Tales
	257503	The Collected Stories of Robert Silverberg Volume 1 Secret Sharers

BLongley 18:31, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


Thank you, it looks at first glacde that the majority if not all of them are mine.CoachPaul 18:38, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Ouch!

I saw your update: "just ordered a box of 70+ books from eBay, most of them seem to be Short Story books" - good luck! They've been a pain for me to do, and even when I ran out of my own I kept entering missing ones. (About 50 anthologies last week for instance.) I think my best tip is to find a source online you can copy'n'paste from, and fix them afterwards - and don't try to do too many at once or you'll lose track of the merges that need doing. But maybe you'll support me in "clone contents from one pub to another" and "automerge the identical titles" feature requests at some point. BLongley 22:51, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

What's another 70 or so Anthology/Collections when I've already done over 400, about a quarter of which have needed entire contents added.CoachPaul 23:12, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
"Clone contents from one pub to another" is something that I requested as soon as Cloning became available -- which happened to be right after I had entered dozens of Ernest Bramah publications :-\ "Automerge the identical titles" may be potentially dangerous in careless hands, but I am working on a script that identifies identical Title records (Novels and Short Fiction only for now) and uses the new Web API to create Merge Title submissions for them. I haven't had much time to spend on scripting or even editing lately, but that should change shortly. Ahasuerus 23:40, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Locomotion in the dark

I did not try to rock the boat. I just figured doing something, if it did not cause data loss, was an important first step. I was afraid, but had to overcome it. As for the digest versus paperback, I think it is important to know that the magazine publishers produced the digest in competition with the paperback. Digest allows the reader some warning that there is a difference. Paperback is fairly standard and gives a false impression when used for a digest novel. I have been trying to tell people that a large amount of science fiction stories are lost to the general public. Only a few collectors have any access to them. I can not say they were great, but they certainly form a portion of the history of fiction. My apologies to everyone for the troubles I cause. I do not consider myself an editor, but more of a jobber trying to get the data inputed. The amount of information to learn and become familiar with is daunting. If digest was not going to be allowed, I was going to not enter anymore of that type of material. I do not have that many of the digest novels, but am searching for more. I have to change my personal database to reflect what I have done and it's status. I will probably get more attention, but I now understand the difference in verifying. I assume that going to the persons talk page, using the title as header, and stating the changes I feel are needful for accuracy is the preferred method. I then hire assassins to make sure I get my way. LOL I admit to being curious about the problems with Dragon magazine. Were they inputed using the digital pdfs? Is the problem that you must verify them? I have the digital pdfs as a backup and it is much quicker to access them than to go through the huge stacks of magazines. I am not playing the game, but found it very interesting. I also thought that sometimes not all the tools appear when trying to verify. I found the clone option did not always appear. Thanks, Harry.--Dragoondelight 14:48, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

FYI, The clone option only apears when you are displying a publication record, not a title record. This can be a subtle difference. And of course, none of the editing tools appear if you are not logged it. If you are sure you have a publication record displayed and the clone option is not visible, that is a bug, and should be reproted if it is repeatable. -DES Talk 16:08, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Best from F&SF, 20th Series

Can you double-check to see if you verified the right edition of this title? The one with your verification has an unassigned ISBN, no contents, and is designated as a trade paperback. Thanks. MHHutchins 03:56, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't even have to look. It's wrong.CoachPaul 23:50, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Verification request

Could you please check this discussion when you get a chance? Thanks! Ahasuerus 23:17, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

The Worlds of Science Fiction

I updated your verified The Worlds of Science Fiction to change the story "All You Zombies . . " to "All You Zombies—". I have the first and second printing both of which use the dash version of the title and I suspect your third is the same. Marc Kupper (talk) 23:01, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Scholars and Soldiers

Your 1995 verified Scholars and Soldiers appears to have a mixture of "Mary Gentle"s and "Mary R. Gentle"s - I can't see any justification for the 'R.' in the 1990 version, is there in the 1995? BLongley 17:33, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I can't currently put my hands on this book, but it is a recent Verification, and not one I did when I first got here and didn't know better. I guess that anything is possible though since I can't determine it either way, I'm going to remove the Verification until I can put my hands on the book and either fix it or confirm that it is right. CoachPaul 22:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
I have the 1995 reprint here and I can't find that elusive "R." anywhere. Individual stories do not list the author's name, so it would have to be on the copyright page or something equally peculiar, but if the evidence exists, it hides exceedingly well :) By the way, there is a "Not for sale in the USA or Canada" warning on the back cover, but it's is cleverly concealed by a big sticker which reads "$7.50" :) Ahasuerus 23:59, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
I went ahead and fixed them. CoachPaul 02:35, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Your verified pub Aliens from Analog (Anthology #7)

Your verified pub. Is the story "Big Sword" credited to Pauline Ashwell or Paul Ash? In the original publication in Analog and the Berkely edition it is credited to Paul Ash.--swfritter 18:24, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Don't check unless it's handy. I am almost certain your entry is correct.--swfritter 18:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

It was real handy, I didn't even have to get up off of my chair to get it, as the majority of my Anthology/Collection books are within reach of my desk. It's credited to Paul Ash. I was going to go and change it but it's already credited to Paul Ash on the page you show above. However, it is a bit confusing how the db lists it. It makes it look like I listed the author as Pauline Ashwell, but if you open the "edit this pub" page, it clearly shows Paul Ash. CoachPaul 21:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I just wanted to make sure that a later printing did not use the real name instead of the pseudonym which sometimes happens in later printings.--swfritter 00:09, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Prelude to Foundation

This. [1] . Added cover image, Canadian pricing and start page number as I checked my copy against your verification. If we are in disagreement then give me a ring. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:10, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Harry, feel free to Verify this pub. I've traded it away and no longer have it, so I have removed my verification. CoachPaul 17:32, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Change to your verified pub Astounding April 1958

This pub. Changed credit for cover art from Frank Kelly Freas to Freas as credited in mag. Changed author of the editorial to The Editor as credited. Added some reviews of books that were discussed in the essay part of "The Reference Library". Added multiple interior art.--swfritter 17:02, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Since most of the information is now yours, feel free to make yourself the Primary Verifier. Don't hesitate to do this to any pub of mine that you do this much work on. CoachPaul 17:28, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
And then people can bug me instead of you.--swfritter 18:47, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
That's about it! CoachPaul 19:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Unfamiliar Territory

Added contents/artist/page count/month of publication/correct binding to NFMLRTRRTR1978. And you verified this?--Bluesman 05:01, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Look at the verification date. Back in early 2007, many verifications simply meant "yes the book exists" standards have gone up since then. See ISFDB:Community Portal/Archive/Archive06#Verification for a discussion of he issue at about that time. particularly the line: "The Verification flag gave us at least some degree of assurance that the book/magazine actually exists and is not a figment of some Webbot's imagination. It is not a guarantee that every Verified record in the database will be thoroughly documented, but we should probably edit the Help pages to ask editors to add as much information as they can before marking a Publication as Verified." -DES Talk 05:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I have seen the pattern with older verifications, and am not putting down CoachPaul for this one. It was more just a WOW! reaction. Used to seeing lots of very partial records, just not too many verified ones, but then all you young pups have been filling in the holes for a while. Little dig at the "old-timers" crack below... I'm almost 58 and still feel like a rookie here. --Bluesman 04:58, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
It's OK, we promise not to exploit your youth and inexperience! :) Ahasuerus 21:31, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Because we'll find plenty of other things to exploit. ;-) BLongley 22:28, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, Bill, this one may have been a bit too obscure, especially if you weren't following US politics back in 1984. When Reagan, then 73, was running for re-election and his age was an issue, he said during the second debate with Fritz Mondale, who was then 56, that he was "not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience" :) Ahasuerus 00:37, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Judging by the small numbers of us actually verifying or entering children's books, you could probably put any two of us together and get a centenarian. But I, for one, am still a teenager. I may have to denote my age with a "teen-teen-teen-teen" suffix, but it counts. (And if you say it doesn't, I'll tell my daddy, and he'll put you right.) BLongley 22:28, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
I have hundreds of YA books in my collection, but they are admittedly in the minority. Of course, if you count most pulps (aside from Astounding and a few "racy" ones), then I have much more YA material... Ahasuerus 00:37, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
I can't fault DES for pointing out that all the old-timers have been guilty of verifying stuff now considered sub-standard (I've probably committed that "sin" far more times than him) - but allowing a "LZZZZZZZ" Amazon image to stand (especially if it doesn't WORK) is probably something we should add to the things to fix before verifying. Removing a broken image is probably a good move even if you don't replace it with a stable one (although I'd rather people did) - otherwise we're just saying "When Amazon find an image they'll use it" - and I don't trust them to get it right. They'll just add the latest image. I frankly don't want to be associated with a verification that Amazon can mess with. Which is probably why I'm re-re-verifying so much of my stuff. BLongley 23:07, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I have noticed that Amazon is 'minituarizing' many cover images on books they no longer sell directly. Some of these are as recent as December 2007. I think this is an indication that they will continue this trend as a 'space saver' for them. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 00:28, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Musings of the Talk Page Owner

I'm just curious as to just how long the subject just above can get without my input?CoachPaul 16:26, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Very. -DES Talk 19:08, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
But it depends on how long you consider it to be one subject. Most sections wander off-topic with in a few inches, although a good chin-wag can be a yard long on my monitor. BLongley 19:22, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Very deep and introspective. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:59, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Shall we start the Rules and Standards discussion on "Talk Page Etiquette" here? Or in the thread above? Or maybe just go and use Alibrarian's page, as he doesn't seem to use it? BLongley 22:17, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
If it gets too long, I can always just archive it. Like I did with the rest of the stuff I didn't find amusing any more. Maybe I should have named this thread "Amusings of the Talk Page Owner"? Anyway, you can always tell who your friends are by who responds to your silly musings on your Talk Page. CoachPaul 02:10, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

The 1981 Annual World's Best SF

I approved an update by MA Lloyd which the cover artist Michael Mariano to your verified The 1981 Annual World's Best SF. -Marc Kupper|talk 04:01, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I wonder why I hadn't put it there? CoachPaul 05:02, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
It's odd, six or seven other books from that series that I also Verified that same day all had the cover artist credit. CoachPaul 05:10, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

The Toynbee Convector

I've submitted an edit on this book. I've added an artist credit of Kevin Johnson, as he's credited with the copyright for the cover art and is a cover artist/illustrator on other books. --Gloinson 05:06, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Shaggy Planet-Cover image?

This. [2] . Is this the cover for it? [3] . Having a good day. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 17:33, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes! CoachPaul 22:38, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

changes to your verified The Book of Skulls

I have addd a cover URL to this pub of The Book of Skulls to replace the non-working Amazon URL that was there. The cover scanned is rather battered, but it is beter than no image at all, IMO.

I would like to add the author's intro on pages v-viii, which was new for this edition, accordign to the copyright and title pages. I would also lioke to add a note that what appears on the book is the SBN, and the (correct) ISBN is derived by prepending a zero. Any objections? -DES Talk 06:23, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Change anything that you wish. I have removed my Verification. CoachPaul 22:41, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

The Founder-image+junk

This, [4] . My copy matches yours except for date December 1989, Canada price C$5.50 and this image. [5] . I hope this does not bother you over much. I am surprised anyone else has this book because it has a more than usually realistic Moslem story line. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:50, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry Harry, I don't get what you're asking me here. CoachPaul 15:26, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Trying to curb my pushiness. My copy has December 1989 for publication and I was trying to dump the image and Canadian pricing on you at the same time.
Aside, I was commenting on the story line and wondering if that was why the book is somewhat unknown. Sorry about your back, read next comment. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 17:05, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Go ahead and add the differences, as mine has those things too. I've never bothered with Canadian prices nor covers, and I just missed the December date. You can put your Verification stamp on it too if you wish, as it in my box of books to trade. CoachPaul 13:38, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
I added them, and will verify it later. This was not my plan, as I have way too many ver's as is. Missing dates happens to everyone and the image and pricing were sent along as they are currently being pushed. I love covers, as they give the user a visual cue to look for. Pricing though of no use and real interest to me, possibly will be the basis of some study on publishing trends someday. Hope you are doing better. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:30, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Year's Best Fantasy story by Griffith

Can you verify the title of the story by Nicola Griffith in this collection? Some sources show a subtitle "Lessons in What Matters, No. 1". Thanks. MHHutchins 04:52, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the subtitle is there, fell free to change it, or I'll do it after my back gets better. CoachPaul 15:25, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. CoachPaul 13:39, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Best of John Wyndham 1932-1949

I updated your verified copy of this title with the ISBN which I got from Locus #200 (March 1977). They give the price at 55p which may be a mistake, as it lists the second volume at 65p. Can you double check the price and verify the ISBN when you get a chance? Thanks. MHHutchins 06:20, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Mine has an ISBN of 0-7221-9374-2 and not the one that you listed. It was hidden on the back cover which may be why I missed it the first go-around. The price is 65p, and it states that there were editions published in 1975 and 1977, so maybe the 1975 edition was the one for 55p, and also maybe it is the other ISBN too. CoachPaul 02:18, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Strange. The original 1973 collection was split in 1977 (or maybe even earlier, if the 1975 date you give is correct.) Locus list these 1977 editions: 1932-1949 price 55p, ISBN 0-7221-9373-4; and 1951-1960 price 65p, ISBN 0-7221-9374-2. Amazon.co.uk lists this edition of the second half, also with the 9374-2 ISBN, and OCLC lists this edition of the first half (same as yours), with the 9373-4 ISBN. MHHutchins 05:13, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
I've uploaded a file of the back cover of my book. It's large, so I will remove it after you take a look at it and we've had a chance to discuss it. This is the only place in/on the entire book that lists the ISBN, or prices. CoachPaul 16:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
You might want to look at the Amazon UK collectible seller's notes for 0722189753, which states "Incorrect ISBN to rear cover". Judging by other books Sphere split, they would be published simultaneously and have consecutive ISBNs, so 1932-1949 should be 0-7221-9373-4 and 1951-1960 would be 0-7221-9374-2 - but it sounds like one has been printed with the ISBN of the other for some printings. BLongley 18:55, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
OK, I have added more to the notes field of the book in question. If you're ok with it, we can leave it. If not, go ahead and remove my name from the Verification, and change the pub as you feel it should be. You are much more experienced here than I am, and most of the work I do here is to make sure that the stories are added to all Anthology/Collections along with page numbers, and I work mainly with the ones in my collection of 700 some books full of short stories. So while I do try to add what I can and be as complete and correct as possible, I very rarely go looking to other sources to see if what is in or on the book is correct. CoachPaul 02:25, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Did I originally have an ISBN for this record? CoachPaul 02:27, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
No, there wasn't an ISBN listed. I'm in the middle of a looooong project to verify all current ISFDB records against the Locus listings, and make any changes or additions when I come across them. When Locus's info doesn't match a verified copy I let the verifier know. In this case, your record didn't have any ISBN. I wouldn't have changed it if it didn't match, just would have asked you to double-check your actual copy. Your note covers all the bases. Thanks for adding it. And don't worry about checking other sources when you have the book in hand. (I don't!) That's worth more than any other source in the world. MHHutchins 05:42, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

The more I think about this, the more I think that the reason I didn't put the ISBN was because I wasn't sure if it was for the book in hand, or the one being advertised right above it. The not I put covers both possibilities. CoachPaul 15:36, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Fire Watch

Added $C price to the notes of your verified pub FRWTCH1986. If you don't want to be notified of such a minor addition, please let me know. Anything beyond a simple price addition I will continue to drop a note. Have a whole bunch of Conklin anthologies coming up that I could add to your pile!! ;-) .Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:45, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

If you're just adding additional prices to what I've already put down, just do it, you don't need to let me know in those cases. CoachPaul 02:24, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! Have added you to my list. Cheers! ~bill, --Bluesman 17:34, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

1976 World's Best SF

Added the Daw Books No. to the notes of your verified pub WBSF1976. Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:32, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

1978 World's Best SF

Added the Daw catalog and Book #'s to the notes of your verified pub WBSF1978. Cheer! ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:02, 22 December 2008 (UTC) Also added Daw catalog # to THNNSTSF3D1982. --Bluesman 18:27, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Beyond

Added a note (fund POWERS' signature on the bottom right corner) and the month of publication to your verified pub BEYOND19XX Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:56, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Conklin Anthology

Added Richard Powers as artist (he is credited on the back cover at the bottom - blue lettering on black background, almost invisible) to your verified SXGRTSSFN19XX. Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:32, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Earthmen & Strangers

Found a price for your verified RTHMNNDSTR1966 from a listing on ABEBOOKS (the UK site has more listings than the US one) and added it with a note as to source. As many old book-store copies do have the price blacked out, I have experimented with ways to remove the 'blacking' and have found that GOO GONE© works really well, as long asthe original cover had some kind of gloss. A drop and a paper towel and I find that 80-95% will come off, so you can at least see the price. Works awesome for old sticker glue or stickers themselves if you let it soak a little. For the really old paper wraps, don't use as it will leach the ink right out of the cover. Try it with some duplicates (every collector has them) and see! Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:53, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

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