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The Seven Sexes

I have approved and massaged your submission, but I was wondering about the Amazon cover image that you entered. If I recall correctly, it looks like it may be from the original 1968 edition and not from the 1980 reprint. Could you please double check your copy? If you don't have a copy handy, we can post a request for verification on our Verification board.

Also, when creating a copy of an existing collection/anthology, in this case a copy of the 1968 edition, you may want to use the Clone Publication option instead of the Add Publication option. That way all stories in the existing collection/anthology are copied over and all you have to do is add page numbers and (possibly) introductions/afterwords. When you use the Add option, it creates new Title records for all newly entered stories, so then you have to merge them with the pre-existing ones. I have already done the merging for this Publication record, so we are all set for now.

Finally, you may not have had a chance to review our guidelines re: short fiction length, to wit:

sf - Shortfiction - This is the default story length for shortfiction and means the length is not defined.
ss - Shortstory - A work whose length is less than or equal to 7,500 words. (Roughly, 20 or fewer pages in a book.)
nt - Novelette - A work whose length is greater than 7,500 words and less than or equal to 17,500 words. (Roughly 20 to 50 pages in a book.)
nv - Novella - A work whose length is greater than 17,500 words and less than or equal to 40,000 words. (Roughly 50 to 100 pages in a book.)

I have changed 3 of the submitted stories to "novelettes", so we should be all set on that front as well. Thanks for editing! :) Ahasuerus 14:45, 10 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Merritt's Seven Footprints to Satan

I accepted the new pub of this title, but had to make a couple of changes. When using a catalog number other than an ISBN use the # symbol before it, e.g. #G1192. Also, use the $ symbol for prices in the US, even if the book itself uses the ¢ symbol, e.g. enter the price as $0.50 if the book states 50¢. Thanks. Mhhutchins 10:02, 29 Aug 2007 (CDT)

Message received. Let me know if you see me not following these guidelines. Thanks! Dgeiser13 09:26, 19 Sep 2007 (CDT)

The Book of Philip K. Dick

Your submission updating this pub had two cover artists: Karel Thole and Jack Gaughan. Are they both credited with the front cover, or did one have the cover and the other interior art? If the latter, only one should be given credit as the book's cover artist. Use the INTERIORART type for the other. I'll hold your submission and proceed after hearing back from you. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:25, 5 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Also, you failed to add the # symbol for non-ISBN catalog numbers, and the $ sign for price. Mhhutchins 21:27, 5 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Because I've had no response to my inquiry, I did the following:

Accepted your original submission
Removed the incorrect cover credit of Jack Gaughan
Added a content record for Jack Gaughan's frontispiece (as INTERIORART)
Placed a # before the non-ISBN catalog number
Placed a $ before the price

Responding to inquiries really helps the moderator know what you're willing and/or able to do when making corrections to your submission. One of our roles here is to guide you into creating submissions that require us to do as little work as possible. (Ha!) Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:55, 6 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Hi Mhhutchins. Message received re: using # and $. I would've added them long ago but I didn't think they were manually being added. I thought the submission system automated their inclusion. As far as the INTERIORART issue is concerned I'll have to take a look at the changes you made to the above to see how exactly you did it. I don't recall every seeing an INTERIORART option. I'll report back if I have any questions. Thanks, Much! Dgeiser13

P.S.: I would've responded to your inquiries long ago if I knew any inquiries existed. Are we supposed to receive some sort of notification or just check back occasionally?

You can place any page in the Wiki on your watchlist. Then when that page has been changed it will show up on the watchlist. I recommend checking it at least once an hour while you're updating, or at least before you sign out. The INTERIORART option is in the drop-down menu of the Entry Type field when you're adding contents (along with ESSAY, SHORTFICTION, NOVEL, etc.) If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask at the Help Desk. Also remember to use four tildes (~) as a signature after each of your posts (it adds your name and the time of the entry automatically) and use a colon (:) to separate your message from any previous message (it offsets it making it distinct from the previous text.) Thanks for contributing, and I look forward to helping you any way I can. You can ask me questions at my User Talk page also. Just click on the plus sign (+) at the top of the page and it will create a new subject. Mhhutchins 16:37, 10 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Gallun's Skyclimber

The ISBN that you submitted for this pub came back as having a bad check-sum. I looked up copies on abebooks.com and came up with the present ISBN: 0-505-51682-9. If you have the book, can you verify that this is the correct ISBN or did the publisher give it the wrong last digit? Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:34, 11 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Hi. I checked my copy again. The cover spine has 0-505-51682-0. Perhaps it's a misprint on the publisher's part on the book itself? Dgeiser13 09:20, 19 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Unfamiliar Territory by Silverberg

I have approved this publication, but then I noticed that Silverberg's introduction starts on page "ix". Shouldn't the total page count be something like "xii+204" as per the "Pages" paragraph of the relevant Help page then? Thanks! Ahasuerus 14:25, 19 Sep 2007 (CDT)

I have read the paragraph you mentioned and submitted a change for the pub. Thanks! Dgeiser13 05:51, 20 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Planets Three by Pohl

I have approved the changes to this publication, but surely in 1982 these novellas were reprinted as by Pohl and not as by "James MacCreigh", Pohl's old pseudonym? Ahasuerus 14:40, 19 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Fred Hoyle's Element 79

Can you check the publication date of this edition? The first printing has a verified date of May 1968. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:30, 19 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Also, on the two verified editions for which you added a cover art link (Tiptree and Binder), leave a note on the verifier's page asking if these covers match their verified pub. (Unless, you can verify the covers from copies in your possession which match all attributes of the verified pubs.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:34, 19 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Silverberg's Dark Stars

I have approved your submission, but then I had to modify it to reflect the fact that Anderson's "Journey's End" and del Rey's "The Keepers of the House" are variant titles. Since changing a story's title in a collection/anthology changes its title in all collections/anthologies, we need to use a somewhat tedious (but, unfortunately, necessary) process to do it correctly. Could you please review Help:How to change a story in a collection when you get a chance? Thanks! Ahasuerus 22:31, 19 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Verification

I see you're modifying your verified pubs, such as this one. This is fine if you're adding more data to something you did ages ago (most of us Mods feel the need to improve past work) but it does cause approvers a bit of a problem in that we can't currently see if the person making the edit is the one that verified the pub. We just see "WARNING: This publication has been verified against the primary source" and have to go check: or approve and then go see if it's the same person. With some titles it's even trickier as we, for instance, see "[Record #199149]" but don't get enough information to do more than a quick search from the title... which shows several OTHER verified pubs.
So, if it's not too inconvenient, can you leave verification till your edits are approved? In the worst case, we might "fix" a submission you've made, and your verification would then be against something you haven't actually reviewed. BLongley 16:03, 27 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Hi. In actuality I think I've been verifying pubs after making a minor add or modification. But I do understand what you are talking about RE: cryptic messages and will hold off on Verify until after all Edits are approved. If there's some inappropriate in my procedure please let me know. Thanks! Dgeiser13 10:39, 3 Oct 2007 (CDT)

That's fine. I've been tempted to make a feature request for verifications to be delayed until outstanding edits are approved, but it's probably too much effort for very little benefit - just showing the verifier as we approve would be simpler and almost as good. BLongley 11:54, 3 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Adding Covers

It's fine to add the extra data (when from an approved source, of course) but if it's not a pub you verified can you leave a note for the verifier so they can double-check please? I know the link is broken but changing the "tamu.edu" to "org" gets you to the right user. BLongley 14:16, 6 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Message received RE: notifying verifier. Just so you know I'm not just adding images that I think are the right image. I actually have the same exact copy that the verifier has signed off on and I scan it and then upload the image and then link the image in to ISFDB. But I will be glad to notify the verifier as well.Dgeiser13 11:03, 21 Oct 2007 (CDT)

I verified your addition of cover art for this verified pub, but it's ISFDB etiquette to notify the original verifier of changes. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:46, 9 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Message received RE: notifying verifier. Just so you know I'm not just adding images that I think are the right image. I actually have the same exact copy that the verifier has signed off on and I scan it and then upload the image and then link the image in to ISFDB. But I will be glad to notify the verifier as well.Dgeiser13 11:03, 21 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Approved Resurrection Man. I edited the cover image URL. When the url has a ._S500_ or similar at the end it is a smaller image that has been made square with padding. If you remove that part you get the image without padding.

Compare [http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/71XPKJ9ZRCL._SS500_.gif with [http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/71XPKJ9ZRCL.gif Dana Carson 20:21, 11 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Thanks! I know how to take the border off of images like that so if I linked in one without taking off the border it was just an oversight.Dgeiser13 11:03, 21 Oct 2007 (CDT)

It doesn't actually show that well here as there's no border, but when you understand Dana didn't add any extra spaces before and after the first image, you can imagine the square around it. Another section of an image URL that can be removed to get better results here is ._AA240_ : and I've even seen an ._SS400_ and some ._AA180_'s. Always test first though. BLongley 12:33, 12 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Thanks! I know how to take the border off of images like that so if I linked in one without taking off the border it was just an oversight.Dgeiser13 11:03, 21 Oct 2007 (CDT)

The Unholy City

Just a heads up that I have approved the submission, but then changed it from a Novel to a Collection and added contents. The Unholy City was originally published in 1937 and the 1968 Pyramid edition was a reprint, which also incorporated "The Magician Out of Manchuria", a new novella (borderline novel, really). Ahasuerus 12:11, 29 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Thanks. I knew there was an extra story and I was going to add it after the novel was added. Dgeiser13 06:29, 2 Nov 2007 (CDT)

Crystal Rain-submitted changes

This. [1] . In verifying my copy, I noticed several differences and submitted changes to page count, ISBN spacing, actual publication date as listed in book, added map credit and excerpt. If your copy differs please msg me. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:22, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Futures to Infinity

Added the artist to your verified pub FTRSTFN1970. Gail Berwen. The cover is signed on the bottom left corner. Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 16:34, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I approved the pub-update. As Bill noted, he added "Gail Berwen" and the note "Artist not credited; signature on cover." --Marc Kupper|talk 21:56, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Permutation City

Changed the cover artist to match the copyright page credits for PECT1995. O'Connor did the SFBC edition, but not this one. ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:04, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Janissaries - added notation

Afternoon. This. [2] , I added notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:49, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

The Space Machine added cover/notation

Morning! This. [3] . I added a cover image and notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:41, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

The Artificial Kid - added notation

Afternoon. This. [4] . I added notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 22:51, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Added artist credit

I added cover credit to your verified [5] from a signature on the back. Also added number line note.Don Erikson 19:04, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Added interior art credit

I added interior art credit to your verified[6].Don Erikson 21:55, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

L. Sprague de Camp's "Cornzan the Mighty"

You verified this pub which contains Cornzan the Mighty. The original publication of this work, also verified, lists it as Cornzan, the Mighty. I wanted to double check that your version did not include the comma before I created a variant record. Would you mind double checking? Thanks. --JLaTondre 22:06, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Earthbound

I accepted the submission adding this pub, but removed the data from the "Pub Series" field. The data should be in the Title Record because it's a title series, not a publication series. See this help page. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:19, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Brass Man

I accepted the submission adding this forthcoming pub, but changed the ISBN to the ISBN-13, assuming that 99% of all publishers have adapted the ISBN-13 standard. Also, you should note the source for your data, on both this record and the Haldeman forthcoming title. That source should be place in the record's note field, which can be removed once someone does a primary verification of the books. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:22, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks I'll make sure to use ISBN-13 in the future. And I will note the source in the future.Dgeiser13 00:04, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Sources required for non-primary verified data

I'm holding a submission which adds a forthcoming publication of Firebird by Jack McDevitt. You should always provide the source for any information on a book that you're not holding in your hand. This isn't a new policy, but it seems lately that the requirement to record sources hasn't been followed as closely as it should. I'll accept the submission if you can update the record giving your source for the data in the record's note field. Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:17, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the source on the later submissions. I'm going to accept the Firebird submission and add Amazon as the source. Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:46, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

The Immortality Engine

I wonder why Tor is listed as the publisher of this pub. It's the same ISBN as the UK 2010 pb, with the same price. According to Amazon.co.uk, the publisher is Snowbooks and the date of publication is 2011-06-01. Mhhutchins 04:00, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

I requested a delete of this pub as I had accidentally hit enter while adding the pub following that. Dgeiser13 14:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Hereville: How Mirka Got Her Sword by Barry Deutsch

From the Amazon.com synopsis, this book appears to be a graphic novel, which are not accepted into the database according to the current set of definitions. Do you think this pub should be accepted based on those rules? Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:31, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Good question! I had requested it's addition because it was one of the just announced Andre Norton Award nominee's announced with the Nebulas. Amazon does have it under Graphic Novels as well as some other categories. If Graphic Novels are unambigiously and strictly disallowed then I guess it shouldn't be added. However can I ask why an exception is made for some titles like Neil Gaiman's Graphic Novels for example? Dgeiser13 14:19, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

We allow non-genre works into the database by authors who are over a certain threshold. I can't tell you where that line is, but it's obvious Gaiman is over it. Just as we allow Asimov's mysteries, Bradbury's poetry, and Clarke's science books. I personally feel we should be open to more graphic novels, but there's the problem of the slippery slope: graphic novels > comics > manga > animation > films... I'm going to accept the submission based on its nomination for a major award. But don't be surprised if someone comes along in a few weeks or months and deletes it. It would help if you add a note to the pub record and the title record about the award nomination. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:10, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Definitely worth a note, as we don't seem to cover that award. I must look into how difficult it would be to enable the award editor, as at present only Al can do such entries. BLongley 18:02, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Actually you do have that award listed. It's listed your under your Nebula Awards even though it's technically not a Nebula. I added a note to the title and pub in case any wondered why we let that particular graphic novel in. Dgeiser13 19:41, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Bova's Grand Tour

There has been previous discussions about how to order this series. There's a list on the author's website which I think should be considered definitive. There's another on Wikipedia. The attempts here on the db have been to create subseries, and not knowing anything about it, I can't say whether or not it's accurate. Do you plan on making all of these into one series (as the Official list) or retain the subseries? I'm holding the submission to change Titan from 5 to 15. Mhhutchins 19:43, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Clemency Pogue: Fairy Killer

According to OCLC, this was published with the ISBN-10. It appears that Simon & Schuster did not start using the ISBN-13 until 2007. You can tell which one is stated by the order in which the numbers appear in the OCLC record. Whichever is displayed first is the number which was stated in the pub. Although both ISBNs will appear on the pub record, only the actual ISBN will appear on the title listing. (I personally would prefer that pub records should only display the stated ISBN, but that feature was part of the database long before I joined the group of editors.) Mhhutchins 23:00, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Not having seen any response to my question, I'll accept the submission, but change the ISBN to the ISBN-10. If this is wrong, and you have primary evidence to the contrary, please resubmit. Mhhutchins 05:48, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Hull Zero Three by Bear

I'm assuming the data for this record comes from Amazon so I added a note for that. I also changed the pub format from "pb" to "tp", with the assumption based solely on the price. Please update the record if either of these changes are incorrect. Mhhutchins 18:25, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it came from Amazon.com. I thought I had noted that. My apologies. Dgeiser13 18:43, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Can I also persuade you to enter the note dates in a less ambiguous format? Some look like MM/DD/YY but when the DD is less than 13 it can confuse us DD/MM/YY users. YYYY-MM-DD might be best. BLongley 17:32, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Will do. Persuasion isn't needed. Just asking should suffice. Dgeiser13 01:44, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

The Saturday Evening Post Reader of Fantasy and Science Fiction

I added a cover scan to your verified pub. Thanks. --Ron ~ Rtrace^Talk 11:49, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

A Vampire Named Fred

I accepted the submission to add this pub but changed a few things based on the OCLC record. The ISBN-13 was changed to the ISBN-10 (in 1990 there was no ISBN-13), the binding was changed to "tp" (based on the OCLC dimensions) , and the publisher was changed to Maggie Books. Thanks. Mhhutchins 14:51, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Tags for awards

You've got a lot of them - e.g. "bram stoker award for superior achievement in a novel finalist", "hugo award for best novel finalist", "bsfa award for best novel finalist", "nebula award for best novel finalist". I think I've fixed most of the awards for those now, but there's still plenty of others to bring up to date. Would you care to volunteer for such? BLongley 23:08, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

The Year's Best Horror Stories: Series III

For this verified pub I changed the publication date from June 1975 to July 1975 (as stated on the copyright page). Also changed the credit for "The Man in the Underpass" from Ramsey Campbell to J. Ramsey Campbell and added some notes. --Willem H. 14:13, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Birth of Fire ebook

An ASIN (Amazon Standard Identification Number) is not an ISBN and should not be recorded in the field designated for the ISBN. There is no established policy about the use of ASINs, and there's debate about where it should be recorded. I personally feel it should be recorded in the note field, if at all. Do you have this book, and is the number you've given here actually a part of the file? Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:08, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Same situation with this book. I personally don't feel we should be using one merchant's ID number to identify a publication, regardless of how powerful that merchant is. You might want to bring this up on one of the community pages to get some other opinions. Mhhutchins 23:23, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm aware of the differences between Amazon's ASIN code and an ISBN. But that fields asks for an ISBN or Catalog #. Wouldn't that be the catalog #? Dgeiser13

No, it isn't. It's a catalog number for Amazon only, not the catalog number of the book. Mhhutchins 18:52, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

What does the powerfulness of the merchant have to do with anything? Dgeiser13

Would you expect that we place every merchant-assigned ID number into every pub record? Why would we make an exception for Amazon? Why not place the ID numbers assigned by Reginald and Currey from their reference books?

If the ASIN is not stated in the printed book (unlikely), or embedded in the ebook's file (possibly for Kindle formatted ebooks), then it should not be placed into the ISBN / Catalog # field. That field is for publisher-assigned numbers not merchant-assigned ones. The question remains: do you have copies of either book and can confirm that the number is part of the book? If so, add a # sign before the number to indicate that it's a catalog number. If not, remove it from the ISBN / Catalog # field and record it in the note field. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:52, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't realize that the Catalog # meant publisher's catalog number. I have made the requested changes.

We might need to clarify the help, yet again. (If we can find it - our documentation is often about five years behind our code changes!) But I agree with Mike - it's not a unique identifier, you can buy the same ebook for a "Nook" apparently and that won't have the same ID. But it's obvious that the "Publisher" is "Chaos Manor" and the fact that one version is sold by "Amazon Digital Services" doesn't make that the default. I suspect that we have some legacy coding from the days when Al needed a kickback from retailers to fund this site - current funding is a bit of a mystery, but I know I'm not getting anything. :-/ BLongley 00:47, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

In the mean time I have moved the ASIN to the notes as MHH requested. Dgeiser13

Night's Engines by Trent Jamieson

I will be rejecting your submission to add a record for a book that is scheduled to be published in May 2012. Ordinarily we would not create a record until about three months from publication. There are so many things that could change in nine months, and we've had problems with this particular publisher's (Angry Robot) announced schedule in the past. Further research shows that a posting on the author's website (dated September 3, 2011) indicates that he has not even completed the writing of the novel. (Also, you didn't give a source for your data.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 14:33, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Fuzzy Nation

I think you meant to clone the SFBC edition to a mmpb edition, rather than update it? BLongley 19:27, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, sorry! Dgeiser13 18:54, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok, fixed. Thanks for checking. BLongley 19:39, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

The Turtle Boy

I had to reject your edit to make the chapterbook record of The Turtle Boy part of the "Timmy Quinn" series. Instead I made the novella part of this series. Please check. --Willem H. 15:48, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Willem. That sounds like the right course of action to me!

Series name for the novels by Joe McKinney

We already have a series using the name Dead World. You'll have to come up with some way of disambiguating the two series, as I'm assuming there's no connection between them. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:34, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

I've accepted the submissions, but you'll need to go back to each one to change the series to a distinctive name. Mhhutchins 04:20, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Glory Road

I updated the notes on your verified pub Glory Road to match my copy in hand. (Specifically I added more information about the 1st printing mentioned on the copyright page). - Thanks Kevin 17:54, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Archiving talk page messages

You'll find that archiving older messages from your talk page is better than deleting them. You never know when you'll need the instructions or important information that was given in a message. If you need assistance on how to create an archive of your talk page, just ask. Mhhutchins 18:26, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Varley's "Scoreboard"

Are you certain that Anna-Louise Bach is in this story? If you're not, I'll pull out my copy of the magazine to check. It might possibly be part of the Eight Worlds universe, but I can't be certain until I check. Mhhutchins 21:43, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

I dug out my copy of the issue in which the story was published (and, as of today, never reprinted), and a quick scan shows that Bach is not in the story. I've rejected the submission. What was your source for the data? Mhhutchins 17:11, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

I found this article in which the author attempts to connect "Scoreboard" to Anna-Louise Bach, without saying she's a character, only that it could have been set earlier in the same fictional universe (the connections are tenuous, IMO). If Varley could confirm that theory, then the story would be part of the Eight Worlds series. Even then, the Anna-Louise Bach subseries should only include stories with this named character. Mhhutchins 17:16, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Russ' The Female Man

Can you confirm that there is an ISBN-13 in this 2000 publication? The ISBN-13 began to appear in 2005, and was not widely used until 2007. Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:15, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

The Amazon "Look-Inside" shows only the ISBN-10 and a price of $13.00. When creating records from Amazon listings, the editor must be sure that they're getting valid information. Their listings for current releases can be reliable, but their data for older publications is very sketchy and you must back it up from other more reliable secondary sources. I'll make corrections to the record. Mhhutchins 15:22, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Bad title tags

When you get a chance, please remove the two tags that were incorrectly added to this title concerning the PKD Award. Unfortunately, only the editor who added the tag can remove it. Thanks. Mhhutchins 06:17, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Done, thanks! Dgeiser13 15:31, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Straub's Marriages

I accepted the submission to add a link to the Amazon cover image for this record, but reverted the date. Amazon dating becomes less reliable the older the book. I recommend seeking a corroborating secondary source for pre-2000 publications. It's quite likely that a book published in June, 1977 have a stated publication date of July, 1977 as many publishers "round" up the date to the next month in date statements. In this case, because the source for the date isn't known, and the record is not primary verified, it's better to leave it as it is until someone with a copy can confirm it. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:39, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Using Amazon as a source for book data

I rejected the submission to add a date and change the page count of this record based on Amazon's listing. It's not likely that a mass-market paperback book with list price of $5.95 was published in 1987. This is probably an undated reprint of the 1987 printing that uses the same ISBN. The average price for 1987 Berkley Books range from $2.95-$3.95 (only 3 titles reached into the $4 range. The only higher one was a trade paperback.) So the Amazon date is wrong. Amazon is also the last place you should look for a page count. When books are announced publishers will give the count of the full signature, meaning it will be a multiple of 4. The actual number of pages printed are usually lower. Amazon uses the "announced page count". The best secondary source I've found for page counts is OCLC, which gives this book's page count as 468. If you are forced to use Amazon as a source, you should find a corroborating secondary source. My best advice: don't use Amazon for books older than 2000, especially for books that were published before the company existed. Even though they don't give prices, OCLC is the best secondary source for book data. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:55, 16 November 2012 (UTC)