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Archiving your Talk Page

Have you ever considered archiving your talk page... It's quite long. It takes me several scrolls just to get to the bottom of the TOC. If you want help, instructions, or to have it done for you, please just ask. Thanks - Kevin 04:35, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I have dithered with the idea. It does keep me humble. Maybe. Is there instructions? Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:13, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
I can do it for you, or I can talk you through it. Your choice (This is a Full Service Establishment; Yes, even that. No, you won't enjoy the prices for 'that'.) Archiving is complimentary when you reach 200 TOC items, and at 300 you get a free entry into a drawing for a free toaster! Perhaps we should hold off for a day or two? Kevin 23:41, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Simplified Archiving Instructions.
  • Open this link in a new tab or window (again your choice) User_talk:Dragoondelight/Archive01
  • Come back to this tab/window and click edit near the top center of the screen in this window/tab.
  • Select all the text you want to archive in this window... Usually everything that is 'closed' or in some cases everything. Cut that text from the edit window.
  • Switch to the other tab/window and paste the text there. Click Save Page. We have now created your first archive page.
  • Switch back to your normal talk page (still in edit mode on that page), and type "See [[User_talk:Dragoondelight/Archive01|Archive 1]] for older conversations." at the very tip top of your 'talk' page edit box and it will look like "See Archive 1 for older conversations."
  • If you would like to force a TOC to appear even when there are only 1 or 2 topic on your talk page, you can also type "__TOC__" without the quotes immediately below that line.
  • Now Save Page and you will see your fresh, and a-lot more empty talk page... ready to be filled again.
Let me know if you anythings confusing above or if you want the full service archiving. Cheers - Kevin 23:41, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
It is easy, Harry. I just did one for the months of March and April. It's amazing how fast a page gets filled and I just left a note below and the page took almost 30 seconds to 'save'. ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:52, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Well that was nerve wracking. I had never cut, and the visual effect was disturbing, but once I saved, I normalized, if that can be said. Thank you Kevin. You too Bill "Blue". Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:24, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Congrats! Your page is again sleek and ready for filling. ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:19, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


Looks good, thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 23:55, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

proposed interiorart change in The Sunken World

Hey Harry, would you explain what you're trying to do with the submission for The Sunken World that marks the existing The Sunken World [2] for deletion but then adds the same name back in? I put it on hold while I ask you about it, but this is really for my own edification -- I didn't want to just blindly approve something I didn't understand. Thanks. --MartyD 17:27, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh! Oh! Oh! Here goes. I misspelled Charles E. McCurdy as Chales E. McCurdy. So I asked for a delete and then added it back with Charles instead of Chales, at least that was my intention. All errors on my part. So if I misspelled the add in then reject and I will start over again. LOL Who entered the new 2003 entry after reading my notes? That was smart. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 23:54, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Ah, missed that. Must need new glasses. Thanks! Un-held and sent on its merry way. Couldn't you have just updated the author's name, though? --MartyD 01:07, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Could have, but I try not to do it that way because it catches attention and worries some moderators. It is a primary mistake for new editors, and the older moderators frown on it. Besides it's good practice to do it that way. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 11:53, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Beachhead Planet

Scanned in an image and added notes to [this] and once again your page is sleek and trim!! ;-) ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:10, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Looks good, Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 17:01, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Golden Blood

Added a cover image to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:10, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Looks good, Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 17:03, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Humanoids

Scanned new image, expanded the notes slightly for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:26, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Looks good, Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 17:04, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Seetee Shock

Scanned an image and expanded the notes for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:41, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Looks good, Thanks, Harry --Dragoondelight 17:05, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

date of Author's Note in Vestiges of Time

Harry, I just approved a merge of Author's Note (Vestiges of Time), whose only appearances are in two pubs you verified, that took the 1979 date instead of the 1978 date. According to your beautifully detailed (of course) notes, the note is dated 1978 in the signature yet seems to be clearly written for the 1st Playboy Press edition, which was published in 1979. You may want to take a look and make sure you agree. Thanks. --MartyD 11:44, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

I fully agree with the 1979 date for Playboy. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 17:09, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Napoleon Disentimed

Added a Cover Scan to [[1]] -mjp MikeP 17:53, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Armed Memory

You don't suppose your newly-entered RMDMMRXGFW0000 duplicates/renders obsolete RMDMMRY1996? --MartyD 12:34, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Nope. I am second printing with no printing date. My notes do support the other's existence. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:36, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Right you are. What's the point of all of those notes if someone doesn't read them.... Well, while I'm looking at it, I'll add the month to that 1996 one based on your edition's statement. --MartyD 21:28, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Fred Saberhagen's "Pressure"

You verified Dangerous Vegetables which contains a Fred Saberhagen short story titled Pressure. I believe this may be a duplicate entry of this Pressure. At least, I found an external source who believes it is. However, given the 1987 date listed for that version, I wanted to double check as the other one was used as early as 1975 (unless the 1987 was a typo for 1967). Is it possible for you to check whether the Dangerous Vegetable version is a Berserker story? Thanks. --JLaTondre 15:33, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Messy, Messy! That ver was an inheritance, I will go back and correct and recheck it. For instance, technically there is no editor. As for Pressure that 1987 entry must have been a typo, I just submitted the correction and will get it back to 1967. You were correct in all your assumptions, but I was new and the previous ver holder abandoned it, and I never got back to redo. Check back in a couple of days and you may have more corrections after I rehash it. LOL. Technically the anthology is a bastard mix because it took advantage of the death of Keith Laumer, who did not really participate in it. Bova did an intro and apparently it was actually compiled by Greenberg (with no credit) and Charles G. Waugh (copyright credit only). I think that my early questions caused the original editor to abandon it, so I took primary and DES was moderating my efforts, and I lapsed. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:35, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Chronicles of Castle Brass

Hi Harry, you have verified at least (probably more) two Dell editions in Moorcock's Chronicles of Castle Brass, The Quest for Tanelorn and The Champion of Garathorm. The covers for all three novels in the series were done by someone who signed as R.L.C., but wasn't credited in the books. According to your notes on "The Quest for Tanelorn" R.L.C. stands for Robert Courtney, but the cover is credited to Richard Courtney. The cover for "The Champion of Garathorm" is credited to Richard Cohen. Moorcock's website has the covers by Richard Courtney (that makes two votes for him). Do you have any idea where Richard Cohen came from, or where you got Robert Courtney? And, should we credit them all to Richard Courtney or leave them blank with some notes? I can't find any other information, not online and not in Jane Frank's book. Any ideas? Thanks, Willem H. 20:19, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Corrected to Richard Courtney. I believe both times the artist was previously entered and I did searches for RLC's to no effect. The Robert Courtney was a typo by me when formatting. The bogle is finding data for Richard Courtney, as I believe I found 4 or more and Jane Frank does not list him. In any case Moorcock trumps, I am really happy with Richard Courtney as opposed to anything else. The real diamond for identification would be just one artist credit with the RLC or any other cross reference for some book connecting the initials. I am pretty sure Courtney was a 'in-house' artist and the trail leads to Dell, who unfortunately did not list artist credits. Jane Frank got most of her recent cover artist credits from places like us and Moorcock. As for the best thing, I have been going with previous entered data, especially if it has an initial match. I used to delete the artist reference, but that removes any possibility for someone to make a connection later, so complete notes on artist crediting is important. Who is a good source and who is not is a bit in the air, but I favor any site which shows hard work. Moorcock apparently was into the details of his books, so I go with him. I have my eye on this site [2]. These people have a number of people trying to acquire the art used in covers and Jane Frank associates with them. It might be worthwhile to delve in their records. If you dislike what I did with Richard Courtney, I will retract, rethink, etc. Thanks, Harry --Dragoondelight 21:47, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. I added the credit to Richard Courtney to my other pubs in the series and copied your note. Works for me this way, no need to rethink.
Nice site by the way. Could get some info on other artists there. I'm always looking out for sites like this. Recently found this one, lots of unknown artists there, often with links to their own sites. Thanks, Willem H. 07:23, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Interesting site. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:04, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Dangerous Vegatables

I'm holding a submission which wants to remove this title and replace it with an identical title which is the same as this record. Perhaps the best approach here is to merge these two titles, retaining the 1967 date. This will avoid a second submission which will have to merge these two with your newly created title. MHHutchins 20:35, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Reject my submission and merge then. I have to redo the anthology. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:46, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Done. Thanks. MHHutchins 21:33, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Editor of Dangerous Vegetables

You replaced Martin H. Greenberg and Charles G. Waugh as editor with Keith Laumer. Contento credits all three as editors. You could do the same and cite Contento as your source or at least mention in the notes that Greenberg and Waugh are credited as co-editors by Contento. Are Greenburg and Waugh mentioned anywhere in the book? It is hard to believe that Laumer, the quality of whose work after 1971 was severely compromised by a stroke, had anything more than a superficial role in the creation of this anthology.--swfritter 14:55, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

If you wish I will so cite them, but no, Greenberg is not mentioned at all and Waugh only as a copyright credit. If you read the Publishers Note that I copied totally you get the feeling that they wanted Laumer to get the credit. I do have several books in the TSR publications which have no editor, or at random. I first was going to make it uncredited as the 'Created by Keith Laumer" is an after death crediting. As for superficial role, I can not tell, but Bova's introduction implies Laumer was someone who labored on. Personally, I think it was a commercial advantage taking and should only be credited to Laumer on that basis. The editors were paid and took advantage as phantom authors do. If you still feel Greenberg and Waugh should be credited say so again and I will do it. Sorry, I feel like this is a millstone no matter what I do. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:24, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Crediting editors based upon secondary sources is perfectly legitimate as long as those sources are cited. "Created by" is a nebulous term and is not really the same as an editor credit. Greenberg and Waugh should at least be mentioned in the notes. I hope your millstones are partially made of H. G. Wells's anti-gravity cavorite, otherwise they can get very heavy.--swfritter 16:18, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Done and done. Millstone transferred to you. LOL I do wish I could see Greenberg's lists of stories for prospective books by subject. It must be huge. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:23, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Millstone thrown into lake. Many fathoms deep. Will not attempt to retrieve. According to Contento the introduction also states that the book was Laumer's idea but that he died without doing it. I might also note that I had to update the title record for the anthology. Once an anthology has been created changes to the editor to not get reflected in the the title record. The same is true of magazine editor title data. Thanks.--swfritter 14:48, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Bradbury's Classic Stories 2

Can you recheck the title of a story in your verified copy of this title? Most reprints of A Medicine for Melancholy (which is included in your semi-omnibus) give the title of "The Shoreline at Sunset" as "The Shore Line at Sunset". Thanks for checking. MHHutchins 06:38, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

It is "The Shore Line at Sunset", but it is "The Million-Year Picnic" not "October 2026-The Million-Year Picnic. I leave the corrections to you as so much of this reflects on other printings. I rechecked all titles and the rest are as stated. This was a very early ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:02, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Hyphenated words have the first letter after the hyphen capitalized

Quote from Help. Changed "Thirty-five Years Later" in this pub to "Thirty-Five Years Later".--swfritter 14:59, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, choked on seeing the printings never capatilized. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:02, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Wind Between the Worlds in Early Del Rey

How is the story listed in the table of contents? According to Help it is valid to use the table of contents entry if that is the common title. From Help: "Short fiction, essays and poems. For short stories, essays and poems, take the title from the heading on the page where the work begins, rather than from the table of contents, if there is one. This distinction is not too important, and if you know that one form of the title is the usual one (e.g. the contents page has "Night Fall" but the story heading is "Nightfall") then use the one you know is standard. You can also choose to use the table of contents version where the story heading gives a non-standard presentation of the title form--e.g. if the table of contents says "Bell, Book and Candle" and the story header says "Bell, Book & Candle", you can use the former. If both the table of contents and the story title agree, though, the form given should be used, even if it is different from the standard."--swfritter 15:06, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

No "The" used on story title page, ToC or copyright acknowledgments page. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:13, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Removed first story from pub and did the variant title thing.--swfritter 15:24, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:30, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Total War

Can you re-check the ISBN for this pub? It's from a range assigned to a publisher other than Zebra. Thanks. MHHutchins 23:22, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Noticed the difference, but ISBN is correct and the copyright page is the usual erasure of old printing with new printing and date on it. All Zebra/Kensington. Thanks, Harry.
Thanks for checking. Adding a note explaining the odd ISBN might save you some inquiries in the future. I'm sure some other editor will notice it. (Or someone as obsessive-compulsive as me!) Thanks again. MHHutchins 23:50, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
It was a good catch on your part. My bet is that they had to go to an outside printer and that was the result. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 00:20, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Heir of Sea and Fire - map entered as shortfiction

This pub. I assumed you meant it to be interiorart - and so so it is.--swfritter 15:20, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Good catch, was/am tired. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:28, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Isaac Asimov 's "Season's Greetings"

You verified More Tales of the Black Widowers which contains the story Season's Greetings. The other versions of the that publication (including another verified version) list it as Season's Greetings!. Before I created a variant record, I thought I'd double check that the "!" was truly missing from that pub. Would it be possible for you to look? Thanks. --JLaTondre 20:39, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Off the stack and into the frying pan. Here goes. Season's Greetings (no !) on story title page 117, but Season's Greetings! on ToC!. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:16, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I'll double check with BLongley (since he verified the other version) just to make sure. If he confirms that one had a "!" on the title page, I'll submit the variant. Thanks. --JLaTondre 21:36, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Same with mine - ToC has the exclamation mark, title-page and headers don't. I'll fix mine. BLongley 21:46, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Looks like MartyD has a version to check too, or I'd have changed them all. BLongley 21:54, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Pinged MartyD as well. Thanks. --JLaTondre 22:02, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
You're lucky - the A-Ch were already unpacked before I got ill, or you'd have had a much longer wait. BLongley 22:08, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
I am hoping that it is a sign you are in better health. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 22:10, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
No, I'm afraid I'm still in a lot of pain, but thanks for the good thoughts. BLongley 22:17, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Hope you feel better, Bill. --MartyD 11:39, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
A LOT better now, thanks. Still not up to unpacking boxes of books or sawing new book-shelves, but I'm down to about four pain-killers a day now rather than maximum dosages. I aten't dead yet! BLongley 00:57, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

(unindent) Sorry, folks, but MartyD's pub has the exclamation point, both in the TOC and on the title page. The headers are all More Tales of the Black Widowers, no individual titles. --MartyD 11:39, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

The other thing I guess I should mention is that "Season's Greetings!" (along with "The Unabridged" and "The Ultimate Crime") is not listed in the acknowledgments section as a previously published story, so I believe this is probably the first publication of it.
Thanks. I submitted a change to make "Season's Greetings" a variant of "Season's Greetings!". --JLaTondre 13:39, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Ilen, a Magian a pseudonym of Neil Gaiman?

Magian or Magician. How do we know Gaiman is the author? Is his name mentioned in the pub? In this pub Gaiman is listed as the author without using a pseudonym. I approved the Paarfi pseudonym attribution but kind of wondered if it was necessary.--swfritter 14:51, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

In notes "Afterword copyright © 2003 by Neil Gaiman". Thus "Ilen, a Magian". It is becoming a cult thing among the staff, others with an in to write in the Brust universe as characters as does Brust. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:56, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
OK. Will approve. Thanks.--swfritter 15:18, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

We Hold These Rights . . .

No need to change this in the pub and remove old title. This is something that can be changed at the title level of the story and there is really no need, in my mind, to even inform other verifiers about a trivial change like this unless you think another verifier might get upset. Removed old story from pub and merged both titles with correct ellipsis format.--swfritter 15:03, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:11, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

A Voice for Princess

Hi Harry, I think I spotted another slip of the finger here. Cover art is credited to Dean Morressy, but according to your notes it should be Dean Morrissey (notice the "i" in stead of the "e" and the extra "e"). Thanks, Willem H. 21:38, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Good catch, I keep thinking what their personal relationship might be and then create a new person. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:44, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

The Perseus Breed changes

Hi Harry, I put on hold your changes for The Perseus Breed. The proposed price change to $3.50 has me wondering if there may be two different printings, as Locus has that $2.95 price. I'm going to poke around a little. --MartyD 12:05, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Enjoy yourself. Always go with it! LOL Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:47, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
I approved it and added a note about the Locus price discrepancy. I couldn't find any corroboration of existence of a $2.95 edition. --MartyD 11:16, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
When you consider the number of books arriving and that probably one person doing it, then it is a wonder more mistakes were/are not made. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 11:19, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Jirel of Joiry

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 20:00, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Cover image looks great. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 23:57, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Napolean Disentimed

I've accepted a submission which adds the cover image to your verified pub of this title. Please check to see if this matches your pub. Thanks.

Great job. Perfect match. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 23:58, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Early Del Rey

After this discussion, I removed the pen-name attributed title records from this verified pub, and replaced them with title records attributed to Lester del Rey. Thanks, Willem H. 20:43, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Good job. Took a bit for me figure out what it was you were doing. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:17, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Motherlines / Walk to the End of the World

Hi Harry. Thanks for finding the artist of Motherlines. In my opinion that makes Doug Beekman also the artist for Walk to the End of the World, the covers form a matching set. Jane Frank doesn't credit Beekman, but I think Robert Weinberg does (he states the title as Walk to the Ends of the Earth, but there's nothing like that in the database). Can you agree? Thanks, Willem H. 14:13, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Absolutely agree. Title incorrect is not abnormal and the artist palette used is the same. We also have "Best Condition Books" stating it is Beekman also. I buy from them and they are pretty thorough. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:33, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I submitted the change and a note about Weinberg. One of these days I'll upload a new coverscan. Willem H. 15:34, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Editing titles within content section of a pub

If the system allows you to do so, please do hesitate to do so, as with this pub. The system no longer allows you to edit merged titles in the contents section. If the system allows you to edit such titles in the contents section that means the title has not been merged and it is OK to do so. Old habits are hard to break. Is the new title really spelled "Afterward"? --swfritter 16:39, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Afterward it is, checked again, LOL. I figure their is an oddity to the publication. Notice that Scott Latham who rarely put notes went zinging of on this one or the person who first entered it.
Somehow I am getting a 'mixed message, with the start of your comment, "plesed do hesitate to do so"? Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:31, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

The Merriest Knight

This record came up on the latest inconsistencies list (shortfiction in a novel type). I'm assuming the NOVEL type was in error, so I've corrected it to COLLECTION. Thanks. MHHutchins 05:07, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes it is a collection IMO. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:49, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Now you see one of the purposes of the list (see discussion below). It found this error and we were able to correct it. Thanks. MHHutchins 18:00, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Forewords in Kyle's Lensman series

Several of the forewords that are recorded as shortfiction in the pubs of David A. Kyle's Lensman series are on the data inconsistency list (Short Fiction / Novel Mismatches). You have verified several books in the series and I wondered if you could check to see if these are fictional forewords ("in-universe") or authorial forewords? Thanks in advance. MHHutchins 06:59, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I do not understand the mismatch criteria. I had this conversation with Ahasuerus when we both agreed that they are fictional forwards (in lensman verse) as opposed to the mundane earthy verse which the introduction in The Dragon Lenamsn is. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:48, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Apologies, I am suffering from dystopia overdosing and it does not help that this reality is also sliding into dystopia. If any reply is off base, feel free to beat me with a handy stick. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:52, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Ahasuerus wrote a script which finds shortfiction records that are contents of novel records. This is not to say they're wrong, only that they should be looked at to determine why. Normally a novel record shouldn't contain shortfiction records, but there are exceptions, such as the case of "fictional articles". I would argue that this is part of the novel and should not be recorded individually, but that's not here nor now. I've learned that to maintain my personal utopia I should choose my battles wisely. I'll record these forewords as "FA" on the list so that anyone else who chooses to work on it knows that these are not to be changed. Thanks. MHHutchins 17:58, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

The Web Between the Worlds

I've added a cover scan to this pub that you verified. Cheers, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 00:02, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Very Good! Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 00:46, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Perry Rhodan "British Perry Rhodan" update

Harry I've put this on hold for a moderator that's more familiar with the Rhodan series.Kraang 00:41, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Anyone with a better (any) solution is welcome, not to mention (which I am) that the British run has a convuluted series of problems, not all the same, to unscramble them from the various ways they were handled. I am not sure I can do it, I definitely can not do it easily as it will mean unmerging. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 11:56, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Keeper

Scanned in a new image and expanded the notes for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:16, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Looks good. Thanks, Harry --Dragoondelight 21:09, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

End as a Hero

New image and expanded notes for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:07, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Looks good! Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:10, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Identity Seven

Scanned a new image, expanded the notes, added interior art to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:59, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Looks better than mine. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 23:16, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Heinlein's Expanded Universe

Please see the last part of this discussion about the use of pseudonyms in the pub records of this collection. Thanks. Mhhutchins 01:10, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Specifically concerning your verified pub (among others). Thanks. Mhhutchins 01:12, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I am aware that pseudonym recognition in later works is being used, but RAH did not use them. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 11:32, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Submitted two deletes for three printings that I have. How I missed these two I do not know. I am not sure I would have caught them when I did the double check. Special extra thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 11:53, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Dickson's Neuromancer

According to Locus #224 (August 1979), this printing was published in July 1979. Mhhutchins 03:30, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Change submitted. Thanks for the FYI, Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 11:36, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Heinlein's The Menace from Earth

According to Locus #224 (August 1979), this printing was published in July 1979. Mhhutchins 03:48, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Change submitted. Thanks for the FYI, Harry. --Dragoondelight 11:37, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

title date for The Peregrine

See this note. Affects your 3-verified The Peregrine. --MartyD 12:01, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Good Job. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:04, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Norton's Red Hart Magic

According to Locus #224 (August 1979) this printing was published in July 1979. (As you probably can tell by now, I've gone back to reconciling the Locus Books Received monthly listings with the database records. Rather tedious, so I only do it sporadically. Only 30 more years of issues to go!) Mhhutchins 20:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Appreciate the effort! Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:48, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Sturgeon's The Cosmic Rape

Another one published in July 1979, according to Locus #224 (August 1979). BTW, the cover image linked to that record shows the Canadian maple-leaf. You might want to note the difference to avoid future inquiries. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:18, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I added the pub date and changed the cover image. Frankly, I am not sure what the 'standard explanation' for the maple leaf is? Thanks, greatly, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:30, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Pocket was the only publisher (at least that I'm aware of) that placed the maple leaf on the cover to indicate a Canadian printing. The price was usually 25 or 50 cents higher for the same printing. "Printed in Canada" was also printed on the copyright page, but I'm not sure how the number line came into it. Most of the ones I'm familiar with were published in the 70s. If your copy doesn't have the maple leaf you can note that the image doesn't exactly match your copy. Mhhutchins 22:39, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
I see you changed the image. Great. Mhhutchins 22:41, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the updating. I will pay more attention to leaves now. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 22:43, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Graham Diamond's The Thief of Kalimar

This edition was published in August 1979, according to Locus #225 (September 1979). Mhhutchins 05:31, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Updated. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:12, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Doyle's Best Supernatural Tales

Can you re-check the price and printing info for this edition? Locus #225 (September 1979) gives the price as $4.00, and published in August. Otherwise their listing matches your record (publisher, ISBN, binding, etc.). I know Dover would reprint without changing the ISBN, but is there any indication in your copy that it may be a later printing? I see that Ace's trade paperback prices were between $4.95-6.95 in 1979, so Dover's price of $6.95 wasn't unusual for that time. Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:46, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Only indicator is price list on fep/bep. Here goes:
More Ghost Stories of an Antiquary, M. R. James (25700-2)$4.95.
Three Gothic Novels, E. F. Bleiler, (21232-7)$6.95.
The Haunted Hotel, Wilkie Collins, (24333-8)$3.50.
Tales of Terror and the Supernatural, Wilkie Collins, (20307-7)$6.50.
This title at $6.50.
The Golem, Gustav Meyrink, (25025-3)$5.95.
Flatland, Edwin A. Abbott, (20001-9)$2.25.
Ghost and Horror Stories of Ambrose Bierce, (20767-6)$3.95.
Best Ghost Stories of Algernon Blackwood, (22977-7)$6.95.
Five Victorian Ghost Novels, E. F. Bleiler, (22558-5)$6.50.
At the Earth's Core, Pellucidar, Tanar of Pellucidar, ERB, (21051-0)$5.95.
Three Martian Novels, ERB, (20039-6)$9.95.
Jurgen, James Branch Cabell, (23507-6)$5.95.
A Christmas Carol, The Original Manuscript, Dickens, (20980-6)$5.95.
Classic Ghost Stories, Dickens and others, (20735-8)$6.50.
Gods, Men and Ghosts, Lord Dunsany, (22808-8)$4.95.
The Lost Stradivarius, Faulkner, (24334-6)$3.00.
Three Adventure Novels, H. Rider Haggard, (20643-2)$7.95.
Kwaidan, Lafcadio Hearn, (21901-1)$3.95.
The Best Tales of Hoffman, E.T.A. Hoffman, (21793-0)$7.95.
Against the Grain (A. Rebours), J. K. Huysmans, (22190-3)$4.95.
La-Bas (Down There), J. K. Huysmans, (22837-1)$5.95.
Ghost Stories of an Antiquary, M. R. James, (22758-8)$6.95.
Best Ghost Stories, J. Sheridan LeFanu, (20415-4)$7.95.
Ghost Stories and Mysteries, J. Sheridan LeFanu, (20715-3)$6.95.
Supernatural Horror in Literature, H. P. Lovecraft, (20105-8)$3.50.
The Wood Beyond the World, William Morris, (22791-X)$5.95.
The First Book of Ghost Stories: Widdershins, Oliver Onions, (23608-0)$4.50.
Last and First Men and Star Maker, Olaf Stapledon, (21962-3)$6.95.
Odd John and Sirius, Olaf Stapledon, (21133-9)$4.95.
Best Science Fiction Stories, H.G.Wells, (21531-8)$4.95.
Seven Science Fiction Novels, H. G. Wells, (20264-X) Clothbound$15.00.
Three Prophetic Novels of H. G. Wells, (20605-x)$5.95.
Hope this helps. LOL. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:04, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
It does help. Looking over the list I tried to find titles that had yet to be published by Dover in 1979. Both The Haunted Hotel and The Lost Stradivarius were first published by Dover in 1982, and More Ghosts of an Antiquary wasn't published until 1988. This last would indicate that your printing had to have been in 1988 or later. If you look over the listings for Jurgen you see there are three printings by Dover of the title, all using the same ISBN. I think they did the same for this Doyle title. Another thing: you mention that this title is on the price list at $6.50. This is an even better case that it was a reprint. They had yet to update the list to show the current price ($6.95) of the book in hand! I'll clone your pub with the 1979 date and a price at $4.00, giving Locus as the source. Thanks for helping solve the mystery. Mhhutchins 18:23, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
That should leave people with room to add the tweeners. LOL. I did think it was possible, but that pricing list was a pain to read. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:26, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Tactics of Mistake

I added the publication month (1972-06-00) to this verified pub. It is stated in my 3rd printing. Thanks, Willem H. 15:13, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Much appreciated. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:24, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

The Best of Jack Vance

This printing was published in August 1979, according to Locus #225 (September 1979). Mhhutchins 21:56, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Date changed. Notation added. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 22:25, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Orbitsville

yes, I did [this] ~bill, --Bluesman 04:01, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

van Vogt's Lost: Fifty Suns

According to Locus #226 (October 1979), this printing (the first with a new title) was published in September 1979. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:43, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

That was an early one. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 23:19, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Heinlein's Double Star

This printing was published in October 1979, according to Locus #227 (November 1979). (Kevin seems to have disappeared lately and you are another primary verifier of the pub. Thanks.) Mhhutchins 15:49, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I appreciate the info, and as for Kevin I figured RL hit again. I spent some time recently on that book because the cover artist is not credited. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 16:33, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Sargasso of Space

Hi Harry, you verified this pub. Cover art is by Ed Emshwiller, signature is the lower right, hidden as a sign below a row of buttons. Jane Frank only mentions the Gnome hardcover. I edited the Ace double edition that has the same illustration. Thanks, Willem H. 16:36, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Excellent eye. Reformatted and added credit. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 16:47, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Cherry Wilder's The Luck of Brin's Five

According to Locus #227 (November 1979), this first paperback printing is missing the last twelve pages of the hardcover edition. Does your copy look like it's missing pages? Thanks. Mhhutchins 01:10, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

I say old man, how would one tip that hat? First the last page ends with at least space for eight lines. Which should mean the scene breaks as written. The scene is a general acclamation for the character, yet it is somewhat oddly stilted, but that could be writer more than anything else. How does one write an Alien recognition scene? It could have a further twelve pages, but they would have been some kind of continuance of life among the aliens versus this ending which has the deeds done and him getting a social recognition for his part. In any case, I found an Atheneum copy at a dealer who holds a few other 'trinkets' for my delight. I will purchase it and get back. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:05, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm laughing because I just now realize what a strange request it may have seemed. How can one tell if something is missing unless one knows what should have been there to begin with! I was hoping the last line ended in mid-sentence at the bottom of the page, but not here as it turns out. (If you've read Dhalgren you know an unfinished last sentence doesn't always mean something's missing.) Looking forward to your comparison of this with the text of the hardcover edition. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:51, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
I do hope I was not insulting or mean. I was trying to be funny about looking for something that was not readily obvious. Please continue to bring these matters to my attention. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:37, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Nothing to worry about. I took it as you intended. The nuances of humor can be very hard to convey in text form. Believe me, there are things I wish I could have taken back after posting and then re-reading them! Mhhutchins 17:48, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
My second printing ends with the line A stiff breeze filled the green sail, and we sailed on so fast we seemed to draw the light of the great sun across the sea, turning it to gold. This ends chapter X. Does that help? Willem H. 20:46, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Well that helps. My copy is missing Chapter X. Now the problem is it deliberate or not. There is no statement of completeness or abridgment. I think it is a printer mistake. I will note it properly in the morning. Please feel no rancor, as I was looking for the obvious, but total loss of a chapter and it still looks like it ended. Oh Well! Thanks, for all the help. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 00:58, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks to Willem and Mike for the insights. My copy has now had notation added to the effect that it is definitely light in content. Thanks greatly, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:37, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Sometimes I wondered if it might be a waste to read all those Locus listings. This makes me think it's worth the effort. Thanks to all. Mhhutchins 17:48, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Malicious Intent excerpts

Hi Harry. By any chance, might the Malicious Intent excerpts in Star Lord and Lost Destiny be the same and merge-worthy? --MartyD 11:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Odd pickle this. "These excerpts are the first chapter of MI. The Star Lord MI excerpt is different in that one paragraph end sentence is moved to the beginning of the next paragraph in MI. SL ex & MI text have three paragraphs where the words are different, but the meaning is the same." I submitted the merge and will after acceptance, add the above " " to the notes without initials and complete the LD mismatches for ease of finding, (as if anyone in the hereafter will care?). LOL. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:09, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
More than three paragraphs, LOL ugh! Lost Destiny excerpt is before final edit. Actual content is the same, but elements are shifted and some differences in how it is said. It would take two hundred words to describe the minor text differences. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:26, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Parenteau's The Talking Coffins...

According to Locus #228 (December 1979), this pub appeared in November 1979. I wonder if perhaps the 1980 date was part of the record when you verified it. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:28, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

I have not removed dates if I could not find something jarringly wrong with them. Printing date unknown, printing date source unknown, etch means I could not connect the dots. Still they might provide some clue. I entered the data, hopefully right. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:25, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Niven's Playgrounds of the Mind

I've placed your submission on hold for further discussion and continued the conversation that began on Bluesman's talk page. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:36, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

cover for The Final Encyclopedia

I added this image to your verified The Final Encyclopedia. --MartyD 14:21, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Very Good. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:23, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Lovers: 2075

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 21:30, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Outrageous! Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:35, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Famous Fantastic Classics #2

Can you re-check the author's credit for "The Stagnant Death" in this pub? Your notes give the copyright to "H. Bedford-Jones", which is the common spelling of the author's name (with a hyphen). The story record is missing the hyphen. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:33, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Found it! I submitted a change adding the - and then I looked at his entry and found it was a "Trumpets From Oblivion" story and added that series to title entry. I hope this works. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 16:04, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Double-Take - merge instead of variant

Shouldn't this and this be merged instead of using the variant processing? According to Help "Hyphenated words have the first letter after the hyphen capitalized." It would seem that they should be merged with "Double-Take" as the selected title.--swfritter 15:20, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:22, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Using initials as credited and creating pseudonyms and variants

I see you added the introduction to Asimov's & Silverberg's Nightfall, crediting it to the authors' initials. (I'm holding the submissions making the initials into pseudonyms.) A similar situation arose awhile back, and it was determined that if an editor or author's initials are used at the end of a piece, it can be safely assumed to be that of the author(s) as credited on the title page (or masthead, if a magazine), and credited as the full name in the record. I'm not sure if it was codified in the help pages (I'll have to look it up and you know how hard it can be to search for something in the wiki), but it appears to me that crediting the piece to the initials, creating pseudonyms and then variants is one step beyond (or three steps beyond) what's necessary in creating a record for the piece. In similar cases, I will record in the note field that initials were used. I'll go looking for the previous discussions to see what was the resolution. Mhhutchins 21:58, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

This discussion took place last year, but I believe there had been another discussion involving a larger group. Still searching... Mhhutchins 22:13, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
No problem. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 22:15, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Tunnel in the Sky - "opb"?

I probably missed discussion somewhere? Is "opb" now an approved binding?--swfritter 15:49, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I would have sworn I read that "o" before pb, tp, and hc was accepted, but I looked it up and I have erred as there are only three. Digest is not there either, anymore. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:56, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
I accepted the submission and changed to pb. I know there were discussions about "opb" or something similar. I think Digest is still there. You may want to put the actual size of the pub in the notes. Thanks.--swfritter 16:32, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Hokay, Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 19:51, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

proposed Hammered third printing date change

Hi Harry, I put your proposed date-blanking on hold to give the verifier a chance to voice an opinion. --MartyD 12:53, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

No problem, but I think you will have quite a wait. But if you wish you could check the second printing and you will find that one is blanked also. Enjoy! Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:59, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
I don't doubt your change is appropriate; I just figured I'd follow protocol. The verifier was active yesterday, so perhaps we'll get a response. I won't let it linger for too long. --MartyD 13:41, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
It is all my fault, I am a little stressed as I am balancing an oversize book (art type, coffee table) and am just realizing that it is a lot of exercise and strain. I would have done a note to him, but I got 'snickety' as he does not seem to reply. Still, I should remember my manners, as you pointed out. LOL Still, I am going to have to break the art book into more stages to avoid more stress. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:51, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Deep breaths. This is supposed to be enjoyable. That's why I do most things in the morning, before I'm awake enough to muster a significant level of snicketiness! :-) --MartyD 03:06, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
I let this change through. --MartyD 11:23, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Avengers of Carrig

Artist credit for [Avengers of Carrig] hiding in plain sight on the back cover. Tight to the spine. Can't believe four of us missed this...... ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:31, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Much Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:50, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Stepfather Bank

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 11:07, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Looks fantastic, Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:51, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

proposed synopsis for The Infinity Grid

Hey Harry, I'm wondering if your proposed synopsis for The Infinity Grid is a bit of a spoiler. I'm not particularly sensitive to spoiler-ness of write-ups myself, but I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of people who are. Here's the text, with the part I'm worried about highlighted:

Consider a universe in which a grid of electromagnetic conduits and barriers connects everything. On a microcosmic level, the gridcode permeates all dimensions of creation to the core of all living things. What if this gridcode was completely manifested in your genes, and you had the ability to will yourself from one dimension to another, reaching any point of the universe that you could envision? (from the Xlibris site 7 February 2010). Young, naive Kieriell is gifted with such a power. Consuming and frightening, it represents evolution for his race. The Lords of Nex have had access to other worlds via Nexian "Rift-Tech," but Kieriell, the Emperor´s grandson, needs no technology. For millennia, the Nexians have guarded against their corrupt neighbors, the Shiv, who seek a new world to conquer. While internal conflict occupies the royal family, Kieriell is betrayed. Drugged and abducted, he is taken to what remains of their world to undergo genetic testing. Their vicious leader, the Shiv kai, plans to replicate the gridcode to advance his race and create a new empire. Subject to Nexian codes of strength versus will power, Kieriell must find his own way out. However, a fascination for the kai´s frail daughter shows him that the Shiv people are far different from their leader. To escape, he must tempt death and be reborn. But his greatest trial will be facing the Kai to stop a war with the Nexian Empire, and in that Kieriell will discover the awesome power that The Grid truly holds.

I leave it to your re-considered judgment. If you think it's ok, I will let it through as-is. Thanks. --MartyD 16:24, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Hello Marty. I did not write it, I copied it from the Xlibris site. The only reason I considered it at all is a) the book is already dated and b) the book is only on the fringe margin of survivability due to P.O.D. and c) the portion shown at Amazon.com (which I did not use), was totally inane. I am not any judge of 'spoilers' at all. The book has nothing on/in it that I think promotes it. Understand, it would take a lively two hour discussion to 'spoil' a very small short story for me, if it did. I just do not relate or 'integrate' the elements to judge. Therefore, I think you should trim it as I am out of my depth. To me as I only have had a small chance to get into the book, the descriptions of it's 'verse' is very complicated and the 'blurb' they used did not affect my initial perceptions. Fortunately, you guys have the batons and I rely on others' better senses. No bad feelings if you chuck the whole thing and I would have attributed it if they had. Possibly, it is the authoress's own words? (The book is on my most soonest TBR, which is already crowded) LOL Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Well then, if it's out there already, there's probably no point in trimming our copy. I will let it through. If someone complains, it's easy enough to trim later. --MartyD 23:17, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

The Devil's Spoon entered as shortfiction

this pub. Changed to interiorart. Almost perfect.--swfritter 15:12, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I thought I might have missed one of those, but could not find it. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:35, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Golden Trillium

I added the interior art (map) and notes to this verified pub, to match my copy. Thanks, Willem H. 14:53, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, that certainly was a very early effort. LOL. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:36, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

ebook price?

This pub. Notes state "Price from Xlibris.com. $24.99 at Amazon.com" but price data is not entered.--swfritter 15:15, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Removed that line. Good catch. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:34, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Puppet Masters

Replaced the cover for Puppet Masters. This one has Now a Major Motion Picture blurb Dana Carson 05:04, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Delightful! Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:32, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Night of the Dragonstar

Correct cover? If so, where do you see the signature (if that's your note)? BLongley 19:15, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

I double checked, saw nothing, and do not think note on artist mine. If it was I wished I would have given directions. Cover does match. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:09, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

proposed Darwin's Radio change

Hi Harry. Sorry to be dense (no coffee yet), but your proposed changes to Darwin's Radio seem to be usurping a perfectly good 2000-07-00 edition for your undated 4th printing. Locus seems to agree with what little the existing entry has (perhaps it was even the source). Your new notes also mention the July 2000 first mass-market edition that the existing entry seems to be. Did you perhaps mean to clone and end up doing an edit instead? If so, I can copy the notes here so you won't have to reconstruct them. If I'm missing something, though, it wouldn't be the first time.... --MartyD 13:21, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I just canceled it. I meant to clone, not edit. I just finished reading note. Can not drink coffee/caffeine. Obviously, needed your wake up message. I will redo later. Appreciate the catch. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:31, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

excerpt: "Lost Colony" -> "Last Colony" in The Ghost Brigades

Hi Harry. It looks to me like The Lost Colony (excerpt) in your (our) verified The Ghost Brigades should be "The Last Colony (excerpt)" instead and merged with 913314 (I have both printings, and the excerpt is indeed the same). What do you say? BTW, the excerpt is explicitly copyright 2007 at the bottom of the first page.... --MartyD 13:41, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. Good catch. First changes submitted. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:24, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, I merged them. --MartyD 11:41, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

At the Seventh Level

Added month of publication to [this] from Jaffery's Retrospective Bibliography of DAW Books, with note. ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:04, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Most correct. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:33, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

10,000!!!

And you said you were running out of material at 5,000!!¿¿!! And only 90,000+ to catch Mr. H. ~Bill, --Bluesman 05:46, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Some type of statistical error on my part. Chip chip chip! No contest intended, I have not the staying power. I have started reading and re-reading again. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:15, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Slacker! ;-) --MartyD 12:48, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
I remember reading. (nudge nudge wink wink) What's it like??? Mhhutchins 14:56, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

FFM, December 1951

I'm holding your submission to add an issue of Famous Fantastic Mysteries for December 1951. There's already a record for that issue in the database. Could the Saunders artwork you're entering be for another issue? Or does the record for that month miscredit the cover art? Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:13, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Lawrence is specifically credited on the TOC for the December, 1951 issue. The submission in question has a title "Famous Fantastic Mysteries, December 1950" which contradicts the numerical date. There was no December 1950 issue.--swfritter 15:32, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing out the mismatch of the date and the title. Harry, can you recheck the art and see if it matches any other issue of FFM? Thanks. --Mhhutchins 16:07, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Famous Fantastic Mysteries, December 1950 with Dec left top 25¢ right top and "Complete in this issue "Sax Rohmer's deathless fantasy classic Brood of the Witch-Queen". You got to love it! If there was no issue and the story posted January 1951 then Saunders heir-publisher did not realize it. Nor did I, of course. What next? Put notes in both to say so? Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:31, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Maybe a mock-up for the issue, but date was changed when the publication adjusted release schedule (they went from even-numbered months to odd-numbered months, skipping December). Is this the same cover as in the Saunders collection? If so just record the differences in the notes. I'll reject the submission. Mhhutchins 22:10, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
No, but it is the issue which had the same first story. Will make notation in "Norman Saunders". Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 22:22, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Secondary problem, some of the variants are doubling references. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:31, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
I don't see any doubling other than the typical variant display. Please point out the page. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:10, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
My error, I forgot I had a cover and an original cover art and made them variants of the same cover. MY BAG. It is the third cover art credit with two different variants on the Norman Saunders page [3]. I checked through the back door and that made them look like duplications. Sorry. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 22:22, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Another possibility is that the cover is from the Canadian edition. Tuck doesn't list specific issues; only a 1948 thru 1952 date range. The Canadian pulp editions were usually very close to being identical to the American editions although sometimes with a slightly different size and different advertising. They also had a 25 cent price. Tuck states that the January 1951 thru July 1951 issues were smaller than usual and contained no advertisement. Perhaps that December 1950 date was accidentally used on the January 1951 issue?--swfritter 22:47, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Nothing in the book about it specifically. It does say he did 866 pulp covers lifetime and it lists at least 50 for 1950 in the back of the book with dates, including this one. It stated he got $150.00 a cover and increased his output to compensate. The book is great for it's art, but lacking in data as it was compiled after death. I checked some covers and it most resembled in layout the June 1950 cover, only the art and the in-story blurb being laid out differently. It definitely looks production level. The production style is totally different in 1951 series. Unfortunately the only way to know would be to have one in hand. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 23:13, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Apologies for the faux-paux, but the good result is it is in notation and open to further exploration. Thanks, Greatly for your attentiveness, especially when I errored the dating. Harry. --Dragoondelight 23:54, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Different art by the same artist for the same title

Good job finding that there are two different covers for The Talismans of Shannara by Keith Parkinson, and thanks for separating them. I've learned that when I've come across the situation (it's rare but it does happen), I will place a note in each title explaining the difference and ask that the records not be merged. This will prevent someone from carelessly merging them because they assume same artist + same title = same work of art. (I'll admit to falling into that false syllogism.) I placed notes on both records here and here. Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:35, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Saw one today that had four separate pieces of art. One artist seems to have contracted to redo the art for the titles and his new art is simplistic compared to the pictoral approach of some years before. So the only way I see to make sense is to break them as you say, I will try to make notation hereafter. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:43, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Duplicate artist credit for cover art

I see you tried to remove to duplicate cover credit for this record. Unfortunately, the only way to correct this bug is to first remove all credit, then make another submission adding the single credit back. Don't know what caused it, don't know how else to correct it, just know that's the one sure way I've learned in fixing it.  :( Mhhutchins 17:26, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Initiated the removal of one dupe, but thought there were two. I could not merge, which caused me to find the artist doubled. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 17:30, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

A Circus of Hells

Paperback Parlour says your A Circus of Hells has a cover by Chris Achilleos. Not conclusive, but looking at a cover on Amazon uploaded by Bill Welch, I think I see a possible A in a circle at the bottom left. Maybe like this. Can you check please? (It may be trimmed off on your copy of course.) BLongley 19:44, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

It must be the A of Achilleos though it is cutoff on the bottom. I will so credit it and symbol. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:54, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

The Rival Rigelians and Planetary Agent X

I added the cover artist (E.L. Kuam)and a note to this verified pub. Signature is clearly visible in the lower left. Thanks, Willem H. 20:56, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:44, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Defiance

Identified the cover artist (Robert A. Osborne) for this verified pub, from the faint signature in the lower left corner. Thanks, Willem H. 15:45, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Splendid! Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:21, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

The Forge in the Forest

I added the publication month (from Locus #412) and a note to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 20:54, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:58, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Out on Blue Six

Changed the artist's name from William Cormier to Will Cormier and added notes to this pub after consulting Michael Hutchins. Thanks, Willem H. 20:38, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks,Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:57, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Avon Fantasy Reader #9 cover art

I'm holding a submission that wants to make this title record a variant of this editor record. I don't think we should variant a title record for an unknown artist with an editor record attributed to Donald Wollheim. Because there is no credit for the artist that created the cover for AFR #9, there is no cover art record attached to that publication. I can't think of a way to make your record a variant without updating the record for that issue of AFR to show "uncredited" as the artist. That runs up against our standard of leaving that field blank if the artist is not credited. Any idea how we can go about connecting the work of art in your book with the magazine issue in which it first appeared? I'm stumped. Mhhutchins 23:06, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

First, this is what happened. I got lost in the 'Unknowns' and after twisting everything and some outside interruptions, I made the submission. At No. AFR #10, I knew that something was wrong, but had lost my thought train as to what exactly I had done wrong. I expected, that I would have to go back and break some connection, but luckily you caught the error. My trip through la-la land is the only reason a connection was attempted. So sorry for the 'goose chasing'. Second thoughts. After this run around it is obvious that leaving it blank accomplishes nothing much. My inclination that not creating an 'art record' is a mistake, emphasized by this incident, since with the variant connection you have something to work at. It brings the issue that maybe we need to creatively create entries to make sure we do create an 'art record' but also to group like 'unknown' and 'unsigned' together. For instance Avon is notorious for not crediting artists. If we created "Avon Artist" "Signet Artist" "Xlibris Artist" then we have a tag to group them into and then the possibility exists for someone to work at them. Not doing this leaves a hole in the system. Third, smaller problem, is that books without dj's need to be shown as not having them. Without DJ. The problem, I noticed is that many books are available without dj, but do have art embedded in cover. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 16:32, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Connecting things without artist has no solution as we both have discovered. Also, it is fairly impossible to create 'non-English' editions without members fluent in those languages. Ernesto is a great loss. We have I believe two members at least who might help with Dutch and German and possibly others, if they have copies. Japanese, is totally impossible, to connect into the system by me personally, too many assumptions/guesses to make a valid entry. I have seen that someone added the Polish(?) versions of Stanislaw Lem's works. It is proper, but Polish/English makes it hard to check and the editions of German, French, Norwegian, Italian, etc is going to wreak real havoc. At some point, there is a need for a language filter for the users. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 16:32, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
I hit the cancel submission button, as we have agreement, I hope that does not offend, but I have thought that it looks easier if the editor cancels items and removes the onus of being a "whatever" from the moderator. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 16:32, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

The War Against the Rull (Panther, 1970)

I've accepted a submission adding a cover image from a new editor for your verified pub. Can you check to see if it matches your copy? Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:28, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Most correct and Great Thanks to All, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:44, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

The Practice Effect price

Hi Harry. If "the price probably changed" in this printing -- which to me is another way of saying we don't know the price -- shouldn't you blank the price out instead of leaving it $2.75? --MartyD 14:19, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

I put that line to assure someone that the price might be $3.00/3.25/ or $3.50. But there is no reason not to blank price out. Unfortunately Locus does not list 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th printings. So if you are holding it, please blank price. Sorry, Locus irritates me (as does all are sourcing)(Just as irritating is the 6th has Burns art but the 1984 art credit, What does the 5th have? Could Locus be wrong again?) irk irk irk. All smiles again. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:51, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
No, I don't have it. It was just a thought in passing while reviewing your additions. I think if the price is there and wrong, there's a greater chance someone with the pub will add a duplicate without looking at the details. --MartyD 11:55, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Air Wonder Stories December 1929

The link you submitted for the cover image of this issue was for the wiki page, not the image itself. Mhhutchins 22:37, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Same thing for the November issue. Mhhutchins 22:38, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Strikes eight and nine for such an easy thing to do. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 22:40, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
So how do you make them display? Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 22:43, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
After you've uploaded an image, you will be sent directly to the wiki page. If you click on the image you get a direct view of the image (nothing else should be on the screen). The URL will appear in your browser's address bar. Copy and paste this URL in the pub record. OR... right click on the image on the wiki page. From the menu that pops up choose "Copy Image Location". (This is how Firefox does it. The message may be slightly different depending upon what internet browser you use.) Then paste the URL into the pub record. Mhhutchins 22:52, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
The procedure is explained in Step 6 on the help page. Mhhutchins 22:58, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Barbary

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 13:56, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

I had a hunch you were going to do that, so I did not flip one in. Clairvoyance? LOL Thanks, Greatly, --Dragoondelight 14:00, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Desolation Road

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 14:02, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Looks Fantastic! Thanks, Harry --Dragoondelight 14:13, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Triple detente

Changed to ISFDB-hosted scan and put Maitz as artist on here Hauck 18:53, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Most Glorious! Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:56, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Books available

"Would you exchange for cactus plants or tumbleweeds, those I have in excess?" - Well, the answer to that is "No". But I do have about three cases of books set aside for swaps, which could also be used for rewards for extraordinary editing or such, so if there's something I have that you're especially after (particularly if I've verified multiple copies, or have verified a copy as "transient") let me know. No promises, but I'm not totally impoverished and do want to clear out some stuff. BLongley 23:11, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

I just want you to know that you often have books that truly have first class art, not to mention they are first class stories and I can not be the only user which envies your being able to get them easily. Doing the "Broecker" it has become obvious that Great Britain has published many editions now lost or hidden. I wonder if it is the curse of "Mu", "Lost Horizons" or the machinations of Fu Man Chu? Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:34, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Death's Master cover date

Hi Harry. Yeoman's work on all those cover art variants. A question about the Whelan Death's Master cover: interiorart is dated 1984, but coverart is dated 1985-02. We don't seem to have any publication of that title in 1984, and I didn't find anything in Locus other than the 1985 edition. Is 1984 right, and if so, do you know anything about the edition it appeared on? Thanks. --MartyD 03:27, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Dating problems. The problem could be h/c signed, subscription, limited first edition, first printing, slipcase?, club, tp, large tp. I have changed Broecker's date to match or found references and added them elsewhere, but this one left me with the feeling there is a missing book. There is this statement also "The deluxe limited signed edition of one of the books in Lee's "Flat Earth' series, published by Highland Press." I also have trouble with a 500 limited printing being the only one (ABE explained it). I had a similar problem in a must have book from Amazon, mine was first edition, but did not get the extras listed there. I decided to connect on the assumption that if we turned an earlier edition it was 'hinted' at. This book is illustrated by Randy Broecker according to ABE. I ordered a copy, but all the sellers list it as 1984. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Sounds good to me, thanks. I let it go through as you had it. --MartyD 13:24, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
I suspect the difference arose because the artwork in the Highland Press edition was copyrighted in 1984. The listing in the Tanith Lee bibliography states the book as published in 1984. According to Locus it was seen in January 1985, but published in February. I believe the Locus dating is wrong. I've personally corresponded with the compilers of the Tanith Lee bibliography and am aware of how they date books. If the actual date is not stated in the book, they will give it in brackets (check out a few of the listings on their site.) These things happen when books are published near the end of the year. Another thorn in the side for bibliographers. Mhhutchins 15:24, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Just received and submitted my copy for the record. #465. Dated 1984 on bottom title page. Any questions? Additionally the interior art work is not bad enough to comment on (unfair to comment on that way). It is graphic, contains nudity and I think phallic imagery, but what the heh? Additionally the art compels thought as to what/how the artist was inspired the way he did it. I would class the book as a superior crafted product. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:28, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Red Unicorn cover date

Opposite question about Zug's Red Unicorn cover. Interiorart dated 1998-11, Coverart dated 1997. Looks like 1997-07-00 is the date for the first hardcover publication, while 1998-11-00 is the date for the subsequent paperback. What say you? --MartyD 03:33, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Easier answer. He states 98, but the h/c would be our preferred, so it is an art/artist match not date matching in this case. I preferred the 97 because his example has no pb markings. The only 98 difference is blurb is under author name on his edition, but above in 97 example. Still no foul as art is same. I may be wrong in this, but it seems right to me. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:12, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I approved the variant and changed its date to 1997-07-00. Thanks. --MartyD 13:25, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

qualification of The Knight of the Demon Queen interiorart

Sorry, it's 20 questions for me tonight... Is there a reason why this one uses "(orignal cover art)" instead of just "(cover)" as seems to be your usual practice? The corresponding coverart record isn't qualified as "(original)", so we have the identical-titles-by-different-artists problem anyway. Just asking -- however you want it to be is ok with me. BTW, "orignal" is missing an "i", which I'll fix if you want it kept. --MartyD 04:03, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

First asking questions or checking causes no problems with me. If we are both on the same page, then possibly we will have workable 'standards'. I also can be/am frequently wrong, though I have spent some thought on this linking. (original cover art) is a term I adopted to say the art is without publication extras. No printing, titling, or other changes I can find. Now occasionally this can be a small portion of the art, not the whole, but I do not always know this and rely on artist or editor for clues. In this case, Broecker said nothing but the picture is 'naked' of extras, so I stated it as "original". Kiddography is full of 'original cover art' and it is great fun to compare. I think I have three types of descriptors for links that I have used. Title (cover)(cover being the indicator that the cover matches a publication(not necessarily all with same art, but at least one)), title (original cover art) which hopefully is the full cover art, and title(partial, reduction, etc of cover art or cover). The last is the rarest. Interior art examples are usually simply (reprint) or (title page/frontispiece). Please put the 'i' in. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:29, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Done. P.S. I'm doing this just to prove I actually look at and think about the proposed changes.... ;-) --MartyD 13:43, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Soul Music coverart title

Looks to me like we should probably unmerge these.  ??. I assume this matches the 1999 one's cover? --MartyD 04:07, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

I will admit to looking over a dozen times, but my conclusion was that the "Motorcycle" was the central object and was common to each. It seems to be the same, but if you can detect a difference then it would be different. I busted one connection over a Raven, the determination was that though surrounding art was same/similar the Raven had two different poses. The problem with cover art is not usually the art of the artist, but that of the cover designer who can fool with it to the point where it can become insignificant or different. Color is most common, but shrinking is almost damning. I would love to hear the rationale from both sides. If you feel sure, break it up, mine was the third on list, but it would be no trouble to redo. I finally figured out that it is totally pointless to point art at unknowns or unsigned as the link will be broken when it is discovered. I also now understand why I was doing art matches, not artist title matches. Since I started links, I have found a dozen or so similar but different art matches. I wonder if anyone other than myself has searched out books after seeing some of the art? I also have seen that we have some publication gaps, especially in British produced books. Many h/c's have little to no documentation, unless you have a copy and many copies may be expensive. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:25, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
No, I buy that. So then should the date on 1092115 be 1994 instead of 1999? --MartyD 12:29, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Can't believe it, no editor conflict. No the date should be the cover he sited, if he is right, too often the date will be the incept or commision completion date that artist knows or uses on cover art. Thus a year early is not unusual. If I can determine that it is an early date, I change it otherwise I leave it and occasionally there will be a fill in with a printing or other publisher printing correcting it, but the essential artist to art match is the key to the linking. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:36, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I get it. Thanks for the explanation (and all the other ones, too). --MartyD 13:44, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
One of my favourite books, and favourite images too - although it was actually Paul Kidby's "Death on a Motorbike" that led to the artist contacting me rather than vice versa. Josh Kirby's version is more Meat Loaf's "Bat Out of Hell" and Paul's is more "Easy Rider". Both great images, that I'd love to have on T-Shirts, if I wore such any more. BLongley 19:34, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

The Space Willies / Six Worlds Yonder

I added the publication month (from the Ace Image Library) and the cover artist (Kelly Freas signed both covers) to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 19:21, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

One of my favorites. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:22, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Mission to Moulokin

Hi Harry, please see User_talk:MartyD#Mission_to_Moulokin and weigh in on page count. While reviewing that, I discovered the LCCN listed in my copy is incorrect for that title, and I adjusted the notes accordingly. You might double-check against your copy if you dig it up. Thanks. --MartyD 13:50, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Skull-Face

The image link for this pub wasn't complete. Mhhutchins 22:30, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Super novice mistake. I put the title in, not the url address image. Resubmitted with address. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 23:00, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

The Napoleons of Eridanus

I uploaded the right cover for the first printing here. Hauck 17:25, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:23, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Interplanetary hunter

Replaced the amazon cover on your verified here, even if my copy is holed (remaindered ?). Note that it doesn't have the ad for the cigarettes (and no trace of it being renmoved). Hauck 17:35, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Looks good. Cigarette adds were most often removed, though sometimes with damage. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:24, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Candle

Replaced the amazon cover on your verified here. Hauck 17:50, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Good Job. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:25, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Kaleidoscope century

Replaced the amazon cover on your verified here. Hauck 17:59, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

My pleasure. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:25, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


Replaced the amazon cover on your verified here. Hauck 10:59, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Looks good. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 11:54, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

date of cover art for Quest for the Future

Hi Harry. Your Quest for the Future cover as interior art is dated 1972-10-00, but the parent cover is dated 1972-11-00, matching the pub's date. --MartyD 12:24, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Corrected. Much Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:27, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Star fall

Replaced the amazon cover on your verified here. Hervé Hauck 12:31, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Most Delightful! Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:46, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


date for cover of Space, Time, and Nathaniel

Hi again. FWIW, your Space, Time, and Nathaniel cover as interior art has no month (1971-00-00), but the parent cover has May (1971-05-00) for the first edition, the month apparently cited in a later printing. --MartyD 12:34, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Correction submitted. Apologies, may be more as BP only gave approximate dates and most of my personal research to make sure did not cite months so I apparently missed the months. Still could not/ will not match many as many did not meet 'surety' checks. Humbly sorry, Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:41, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
You have nothing to be sorry about. I don't mind at all. I'd be "nice" and just change them, but I realize that the dates will not necessarily match. So I'm left with telling you about them and letting you decide if action is needed. --MartyD 12:48, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Part of my problem is that many British publishers do not use months, so months are added from other sources, my 'head' knows this and I flinch from putting months in. I have found a work around and will open the edit button on the "ultraterrarium title entry" to check month, do a change if necessary, and then make the link. Obviously I am wondering if just showing year in art records was/is wise. Still, I hope to cut down on 'errors'. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:54, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

mis-link "A Princess of Mars" vs. "New Worlds 6"

Hi Harry. Should A Princess of Mars cover as interior art really be a variant of New Worlds 6's cover as your submission proposes? I put it on hold. Thanks. --MartyD 14:15, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Big mistake. I must of missed my copy click and the old one stayed loaded. Will cancel submission and resubmit, hopefully correctly. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:18, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Another one: Alien Way (to the same New Worlds 6 cover). --MartyD 15:02, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Lost Worlds: Volume 2 to Earthworks also looks like a paste-o from the immediately prior submission of Earthworks to Earthworks.... (?). --MartyD 15:06, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Stopping submissions till I see all the damage. Wondering if the copy function is clearing (possible mouse problem?). I am wondering "what the hey" since I actually am checking the book and visually the art and then coming back to copy number. Thanks for catches. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:16, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Mr. Hutchins approved the rest of them, so nothing else from me. --MartyD 19:42, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
I read this after seeing there were two submissions on hold. All the ones I approved that followed those holds were good matches. Mhhutchins 03:23, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I assumed you would catch problems if there were there! :-) Harry, I have left those others on hold as placeholders for you. --MartyD 10:24, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I canceled the two holds after linking them correctly. Appreciate all the work involved in checking, thanks to everyone. Re-Checked Bruce Pennington links and found everything correct. TG. So that is good. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:28, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

(unindent)Open question. How do you connect or should you connect same art with different titles. In this case "Earthworks" original use and "Ultraterranium" the art book. My inclination is not to link as it may lead to mis-identification of what the material contains. (even though it would be under cover art, I can see confusion arising). Therefore do I make a note in Earthworks to the effect that the art is reused elsewhere? Not under the novel title or it's notation, but under the cover art title field? Bruce Pennington site shows the problem and his solution, [4]. Go down to where four covers are grouped (Black Gate; Adventures in Fantasy Literature no 12, Flashing Swords! 2 and then two titles in German, one Fritz Leiber and the other Glen Cook). I know everyone, especially Bill Longley, knows the word for it, (does not stick in my head), but I am wondering if we need a policy statement to curb or allow linking between this type of art? Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:28, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

One man's opinion: It doesn't seem to me any different than the case of different titles on the same written work. I'd link them as variants and add a note in the variant title record about the original usage. Even though the note is somewhat redundant, it'll help eliminate confusion both now and in the future. --MartyD 12:43, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Very well, I will bend a minute and do so at some point when I have them in my fumble-fingered grasp. I really appreciate your response as you are the art link Doyen! Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:45, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I call the hunting for cover matches "cover Pelmanism" after the card game - called "Pairs" or "Concentration" elsewhere. I must admit I hadn't really considered how to record such here - variants are of course a possibility, but determining a canonical title would probably be an even worse problem than normal. Worth an experiment though. BLongley 19:03, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Counter-Measures or Countermeasures

Can you recheck the title of this pub? Every source I've checked gives the title as Countermeasures. Perhaps the dash on the front cover is there to hyphenate a long word. Is it titled differently on the title page? What is the copyright title, or perhaps the running header? Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:40, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Into the bubbling pot of pitch we go! The Title page has the title in 5/8 inch font Counter- (over) Measures. Front cover has 3/4 inch font with Counter- (over) Measures. Spine (almost 1 1/2 in. across) has horizontal title in 1/4 inch font with Counter- (over) Measures. Countermeasures on add page opposite title page, "Acknowledgments" uses 'Countermeasures' in first word of paragraph, the running header starts on page 15 and ending on page 715 and uses 'Countermeasures'. So, yes the title was probably hyphenated for the use of font, but I went with the rule of 'as is' on title page. Note that the M in Measures was capitalized in the hyphenated format. So the pretty pickle says the author wrote a novel titled "Countermeasures", but the publisher, editor, or copywriter corrected that on the title page, front cover and spine. Or possibly the cover design specialist started it all while expressing the dynamics of that field of endeavour, as the title page is often a partial or full reprint of the front cover. I have no dimes in the betting circle, so any 'correction' is all right with me, (as long as you do it). I have too many dither wobbles when trying to rationalize my own exceptions to rules for the correction or interpretation of such. All smiles. You know I love this. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:13, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
And you know how much I hate publishers who have no concern whatsoever about us bibliographers! :) Since we've set the standard to be what's printed on the title page regardless of how much evidence there is to the contrary, (and the capital "M" seems to make it clear that the cover designer had no idea, or didn't care, what the title of the novel was), we'll stick to its present form. I still believe we should change the title record to what we both agree would be the author's intended title (Countermeasures), and leave the publication record as Counter-Measures without creating a variant record. How does that sound to you? Mhhutchins 17:10, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Fine. Submitted. Notice you changed the other DAW. Smart move. Frankly, it makes better sense. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:41, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I figured yours would be identical to the first printing, and thought the records should match. Submission accepted. Mhhutchins 22:08, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Magician:Master

Changed Out Story so far to Our Story so far in Magician:Master based on my later printing. If they actually changed it between printings feel free to yell at me. Also My sixth printing has 0-553-25646-7 on the copyright page but 0-553-26761-2 on the back cover bar code. Does your copy have the same number both places? Dana Carson 02:23, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

You are most correct in changing it to "Our Story So Far . . .". Thanks, greatly. ISBN 0-553-25646-7 on copyright page, back cover, inside front cover, and bottom spine. 25646-7 on pricing line at top left front cover going up. So yours is the changed ISBN, but since both are on yours it may have continued after and of course the 5th may also have dual ISBN's. Very good Catch. Thanks again for correction and note, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:48, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

The Slitherers with Leeches from Space

Hi Harry. I accepted your The Slitherers with Leeches from Space submission, but I think there's a mistake in the content additions. I'm pretty sure from your notes that Leeches from Space (reprint) should be INTERIORART, not SHORTFICTION? --MartyD 12:36, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Excellent catch. I got lost trying to find out more, still flumoxed at what the 'introduction' says. Got lost in Great Britain, so there you go. Submitted change. Thanks, Greatly, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:09, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Playgrounds of the Mind (date)

Locus lists the date for the second printing of [this] Playgrounds of the Mind (Tor 0-812-51695-8, Apr ’96 [Mar ’96], $5.99, 696pp, pb, cover by David Archer) Reissue (Tor 1991) collection of fiction and non-fiction. Second printing. Changed the date and added a brief note. Also deleted the OCLC reference as they don't list a second printing, just a first. Probably part of a cloning? ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:08, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

All good, but you do have me wondering. I thought OCLC references were to the title and therefore any subsequent printing would still be usable? Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:25, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Usable OCLC records are quite specific to years and often have the printing statement which includes the month and even a number line [rare] so no they don't have generic title records other than the odd 'stub' left over from pre-release data (much like our records generated from Amazon). Occasionally I'll leave a record number in if it provides an artist from an earlier printing, but that's rare as well. ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:45, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

McCaffrey's Restoree

Concerning the submissions adding Corgi editions to this title: I'm assuming these are based solely on the printing history stated in a later edition. How certain are you that each of them has the same ISBN? Also, would the note that the cover artist isn't credited be applicable for all of these printings? Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:02, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Because I went all over checking? LOL I checked on the ISBN, the break seems to be at the 1976 printing as the next is reprinted 1977. There is some overlapping, but the ISBN held firm after 1980. Since the 94 ISBN was even used on a few 70's and 76, I found the pattern pretty clear. As for the cover artist not credited, I did not think much about it, but my logic center says if they do not credit all the way to 94, which drives me crazy for trying to find the artist, then why would they intermittently? ( I scanned ABE intensely for an artist). In neither case am I vested in those items. My real interest is to get the printing schedule in the record. Feel free to remove data that seems extraneous. I would love it though if an offended owner/user picked up the cues and told me the artist was credited in another version. LOL. I also left some of the pics in because they were overwhelming those years, but started deleting when I felt the likelihood less. As most always I bow to the saner view, as mine is fogging with the back and forth required (Pixilation Syndrome). LOL. Sorry, if it irritates. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:23, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Submissions approved. Thanks for explaining the thoroughness of your research, and for understanding the reason for my questions. Mhhutchins 15:50, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

The warrior's apprentice

Replaced the amazon cover on your verified here and add mention of the excerpt, even if it's only one page long (I hope it's the correct usage). Hervé Hauck 14:15, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Looks good! As for excerpts, it looks good. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:27, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Call from a distant shore

Replaced the amazon cover on your verified here, same for Flesh and Silver. Hauck 14:22, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Both work well! Thanks, for the improvement! Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:29, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Busby's All These Earths

Hauck has added a cover image and did a second verification for this pub. Mhhutchins 16:30, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Very good, Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Return to Mars

Replaced the amazon cover on your verified here. Hauck 17:43, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Looks great, but I would have gone with a different artist/art. LOL Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:13, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Key out of Time ktb

New image for [this] and cover artist from [here] with note. ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:39, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Good find. Jane Frank agrees 1964 Valigurski. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:15, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Genetopia

Replaced the amazon cover on your verified here. Hauck 14:25, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Looks much better than my original. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:14, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

The Fall of the Families

Added "The Ballad of John Death Elliott" to The Fall of the Families as that's a significant difference between the Grafton and VGSF editions. BLongley 17:23, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

I bow to your wisdom, as truthfully the book is set up somewhat askew to my perceptions. You have the other editions so you would know. Poetry adds in front or behind leave me askant. Thanks for your clarification of viewpoint. Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:20, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
The rest of the huge page-numbering difference seems to be down to typeface. The VGSF editions seem to be better organised: e.g. the covers match up. But they drop the Ballad. BLongley 21:06, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm wondering WHY I have two editions of "The Fall of the Families" now, and think I must have been given a bonus book by Brian Ameringen, as both came out of that last massive shopping trip box. BLongley 21:06, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Operation Time Search

Added an image to [this] and don't see this as Gaughan's work. Think Ace just too cheap to re-set the artist typeset. Can't see a signature... ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:00, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Looks good. And I questioned this here, [5]. After doing it though, I know question whether if it was an experiment in the 'scope' of the artist? Jg was so prolific that there may be many surprises to come, but the running man scene is different. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:26, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Ordeal in Otherwhere

New image (broken link) for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:08, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Most gracious. You have provided a review of what I thought of the artist and this effort is probably worthy of greater study. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:29, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Ralestone Luck

[This] now has the correct image. The cover is signed "Victoria" bottom left corner. Did a minor tweak on the notes for that. The Norton site has very good images (mostly). ~Bill, --Bluesman 02:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Looks good. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 11:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Emshwiller Infinity X 2

About the foreword and introduction in this pub: ordinarily the title of the book is only added to a generic title for disambiguation. Because each of these pieces are individually titled, the appendage is not necessary. One more thing, if you're able to change a content title from a pub record, you can avoid several submissions: adding the new title, removing the old title, deleting the orphan title record, etc. The add/remove method is only required if there is another pub that contains the title record as a content. These can't be edited in a pub edit (they're greyed out.) If content records are not greyed out, they can be edited at the pub level. This will save you time and submissions. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:54, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Much appreciated. Also duly noted. LOL. I went too long because I was irritated, especially after I realized that "Endnotes" were notes, as are quite common in books. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:56, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Wheel of Stars

Think the artist's name in [this] record is a mutilation of Victoria Poyser?? I don't have the pub to check. I can see the stylish "Victoria" on the image, which is consistent with Ms Poyser. ~Bill, --Bluesman 16:02, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Jane Frank's "Science Fiction and Fantasy Artists of the Twentieth Century: A Biographical Dictionary" lists under Victoria Poyser, under books illustrated "Wheel of Stars (Tor,1984)". Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 19:19, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Record updated. Thanks. ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:55, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Witch World

Almost had a date for [this] from OCLC but Locus mag. confirms the previous printing as a '74. The artist credit as "JB" is missing the little bar that joins the J-B. There is actually three initials so JHB. This same signature was later expanded so that the 'H' was separate [wish I could point to one but after 20 minutes of searching through many shelves I can't find the one cover I know is like this]. As yet I haven't found ANY site/reference as to who the artist is. I thought I had had a discussion with Willem about this but can't find it on any of his pages, even the archived ones. Can you tell this artist bugs me??? ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:58, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Truthfully, the art reminds me of Davis Meltzer. Perchance this is the one you are thinking of [6]. or Warlock of the Witch world [7]. Sorry no help. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:09, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

The Star Road

Can you double check the gutter code on The Star Road. In my copy it looks like "D 22". They might have had a new print run a week later if it sold a lot better than they expected I guess. Dana Carson 09:38, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Corrected to D 22. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:42, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

The dragon never sleeps

Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here. Hervé Hauck 13:19, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Most Grateful. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:20, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Star rigger's Way

Added a cover scan for your verified Star Rigger's way. Hervé Hauck 19:06, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Very nice. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 19:24, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Sky Ripper

New cover scan for Sky Ripper. Dana Carson 08:22, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Looks good. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 10:24, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

The Far Traveler

Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here. Hauck 12:07, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Looks Good. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:30, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

"Aw definition"?

Harry, what is "Aw definition.", in the new notes for The Best of Sci-Fi—Two? No coffee yet, so apologies if the answer should be obvious. --MartyD 12:15, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Memory access signal denied. Sorry, LOL, was that a notation under "Quake, Quake, Quake"? In any case, I believe my remark to mean that research is required to 'define' the actual content. It usually means, I am putting out feelers to get more data, but I believe my message to Swifritter today explains part of it. I (unfortunately) have started dropping clues that further research is needed on some items. Bad habit, but if I forget to follow up, what do you do? Please no apologies for asking questions or for rebukes. I am too often wild and need to be checked (and appreciate your efforts). Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:29, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

note typo in Hunting Party?

Should "1975" in Hunting Party's notes should be "1995"? --MartyD 12:27, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

1995 is correct. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:29, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Fixed. --MartyD 12:33, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Most thankful, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:34, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
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