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Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine, Aug 1982

In Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine, Aug 1982 is the story title actually Transisters • shortfiction by Christine Renard ? Dana Carson 01:39, 6 Nov 2007 (CST)

Sorry, missed changing that one to Shortstory when I was adding page numbers but the title really is "Transisters" and the author is as stated, it was written in French and translated by John Brunner. The French title was "Transistoires". rbh 05:23, 6 Nov 2007 (CST)
Thanks. While you can never be sure since writers like to play games with words it looked close enough to a typo I thought I'd double check. Especially since it looked like it had already been there and you were just updating info. Dana Carson 18:40, 6 Nov 2007 (CST)

Recent Asimov entrys

The Book Review column in this issue should also have a separate Essay entry in the contents section with the title of the review column. This allows a search not just for the reviews but for all the review columns that the reviewer has done and makes it easy to place them in a series. I also noticed in some of your submissions yesterday that the page counts looked unusual. The inside page count is usually divisible by 16 (sometimes 8) and the covers count as 4 pages. So they are usually 164, 180, 196.--swfritter 16:47, 6 Nov 2007 (CST)

Added the book review column to the 3 I had finished and the 2 that were in progress. Only the Apr 82 had a bad page count and I fixed that. I was in the process of editing that issue when I inadvertently hit the enter key which put the unfinished edit out of my reach so I was unable to QC my entries. Thanks for the information and error check. I have internet problems at home and tend to save after various types of entries as I have lost too many hours of work and I just continue the practice when I am on the road out of habit. rbh 21:43, 6 Nov 2007 (CST)
When I first started entering data I was accidentally hitting the enter key so often that I started using a keyboard macro program that disabled the enter key. Thankfully my keyboard skills have improved substantially since then.--swfritter 13:44, 7 Nov 2007 (CST)

Blood (Peer) Pressure

I have approved the addition of this cartoon, but changed the Author from "uncredited (cannot read signature)" to just plain "uncredited" and then added a note about the signature being unreadable to the Title record for the cartoon and to the publication record for the magazine. Thanks! Ahasuerus 19:25, 19 Dec 2007 (CST)

"[The] SF Convential Calendar"

Could you please double check whether there is a "The" in the title of "SF Convential Calendar" in Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine, Mid-Dec 1990? The reason I am asking is that we have three more magazine issues on file with "The SF Convential Calendar" essays published in 1989-1990. Apparently it was a semi-regular department, so I wonder if they accidentally dropped the article in this issue or, perhaps, if the article is cleverly hidden on the title page? Thanks! Ahasuerus 19:29, 19 Dec 2007 (CST)

Oh, I see, you were changing all the occurrences of this Essay to be article-less! That makes sense, so I have approved the submissions. Thanks :) Ahasuerus 19:32, 19 Dec 2007 (CST)
The contents page uses "The" in the title, but on the article itself there is no "The" in the title (I checked for "cleverly hidden", it is not there). I always use the title and author's name as it appears on the article, which also means that if "Editorial" appears with the title on the page, it goes in too. I break this rule for artists if I know their complete names as particularly in older editions, you are lucky to even get their last names. I also check the page numbers as more than once, I have found errors in the TOC. Thx, rbh 07:46, 20 Dec 2007 (CST)

ISBN fixes

If I'm reading the page change history right, you're the person that fixed the ISBN for this pub? Another editor wants to change it back. Rather than make an arbitrary decision I thought I'd let the editors working in this area vote on it, so you may want to have a look here and state your opinion. BLongley 14:32, 8 Jan 2008 (CST)

F&SF book reviews

Recent submissions: found one where F&SF was FASF and another where that was shortfiction rather than essay. Fixed both.--swfritter 20:58, 5 Feb 2008 (CST)

January 1984 - Whole no was spelled Ehole no. Books and film columns were shortfiction instead of essay. Fixed. Also it looks like Baird Searles is spelled Baird Dearles - will leave for you to verify and fix.--swfritter 21:32, 5 Feb 2008 (CST)
Thanks rbh (Bob) 21:40, 5 Feb 2008 (CST)

In F&SF Mar 1979 should The Best of Lester del Rey • Del Rey • book review by Algis Budrys be Lester del Rey instead of Del Rey for the author? Dana Carson 23:11, 5 Feb 2008 (CST)

I was tempted, but our general rule is to list names as they are printed in the source. In this case, the author was listed as "del Rey" so that is the way I entered it. I would not object to adding the first name in this case however. Thx, rbh (Bob) 06:13, 6 Feb 2008 (CST)
Reviews are an exception: as the help says, If the review uses a version of the author's name which differs from any of the versions of this author's name known to the ISFDB, but which still serves to unambiguously identify the book (e.g. if the review has a misprint, or abbreviates the author's name), then enter a corrected name, but make a note in the notes field for the publication that the author's name was spelled incorrectly, and give the form of the name actually used in the review.
Not doing so leads to stray authors and no link to the title being reviewed. BLongley 12:54, 6 Feb 2008 (CST)
Done rbh (Bob) 13:48, 6 Feb 2008 (CST)

Analog September, 1963 page count

I think you meant to give this issue a page count of 100. At least that's how many pages my copy has.--swfritter 20:51, 6 Feb 2008 (CST)

The last numbered page is 98, not 96 like the other issues and 98 was the number I changed to 102 when I added the front and back covers. Actually counting the full size pages, there are only 96 but between pages 80 and 83 is a half size advertising page (a mail in card to enroll in a club) that was counted by the publisher in their numbering of pages. Please check your issue and confirm that we both have a last numbered page of 98, then advise me what you want done. Thx, rbh (Bob) 21:00, 6 Feb 2008 (CST)
Yes, you are right. Somebody had actually torn out the insert in mine. The same thing happened to me with some cigarette ads in Fantastic and I had to do the same thing since the pages they are on were counted. Whenever there is an unusual page count in magazines the reason should be documented in the notes. As in my case, somebody may wonder why you are documenting ads but the page count has to be accounted for somehow.--swfritter 21:30, 6 Feb 2008 (CST)
Done, Thx, rbh (Bob) 21:36, 6 Feb 2008 (CST)

Princess of Wands

Could you please double check the spelling of the artist's last name in your verified Princess of Wands? Is it "Stephan Hickman" or "Stephen Hickman"? Thanks! Ahasuerus 23:27, 11 Feb 2008 (CST)

Stephen both on the back cover and the copyright page. rbh (Bob) 18:00, 12 Feb 2008 (CST)
Thanks, fixed :) Ahasuerus 20:33, 12 Feb 2008 (CST)

Astounding/Analog Science Fact & Fiction, April 1960

In Astounding/Analog Science Fact & Fiction, April 1960 you entered a review for The Ivaders Are Coming • Alan E. Nourse and J. A. Meyer • book review by P. Schuyler Miller. What is listed in Nourse's biblio is The Invaders Are Coming! (1959) with J. A. Meyer. Is that a typo by you or in the magazine? Dana Carson 20:27, 15 Feb 2008 (CST)

Magazine, no "N" and no "!". Thx, rbh (Bob) 21:06, 15 Feb 2008 (CST)
Unless Miller persistently spells it that way, I'd suggest changing it to "Invaders" & putting a note in the pub. About the bang, I don't know. (Several people feel strongly that reviews' book titles should match book titles in the database so that they list with the books, & the book is verified with the bang, so I'd probably put it in & put that in the note I made about the typo unless I was in a hurry.) -- Dave (davecat) 13:13, 21 Feb 2008 (CST)

In Times to Come (Analog)

Bob, you make want to recheck that all of the title-edits to add the "In Times to Come (Analog)" series worked. Some of the edits you submitted had no changes implying you forgot to set the series to "In Times to Come (Analog)".

In the sorts, two of the issues were sorted out of order, I was trying to make sure that the comma was a comma by deleting the comma and then putting in a new one. I now need to check to see if there is an extra space, maybe that is the problem.

Also - your publication update for Analog Science Fiction and Fact, December 1988 looked ok other than you reduced the page count from 192 to 180. I assume you are aware of the special rules for magazine page counts? Marc Kupper (talk) 18:16, 1 Mar 2008 (CST)

The last page is numbered at 176 so with the covers, that adds up to 180. I checked and no pages are missing and every unnumbered page is included in the count. October, November, and Mid-December have page counts of 196. Don't understand why and there is no expanation in the magazine but the page count is 180.
Magazines are time consuming to enter and clean up. I appreciate your timely turnaround on my edits so I can get back in and work on them. Trying to get my 300 plus Analogs entered so I can move on to the other 300+ magazines. Thx, rbh (Bob) 23:17, 1 Mar 2008 (CST)

Calendar of Upcoming Events

Bob, I've been looking at your latest submissions and I noticed that you seem to be connecting all of the magazine features into series. I'm not sure that it's necessary to do this to all of the features. I would also like to suggest that an entry like "Analog: A Calendar of Upcoming Events (Analog, December 1986)," could have the "Analog:" dropped from the front, since it's redundant.--Rkihara 11:46, 5 Mar 2008 (CST)

Ron, I was adding to a series created by someone else. Maybe we need to have some additional guidance put on the Analog page as to what should and should not be a series and if/when the canonical title Analog should be used as we are not using it for some things that are shared with Astounding. I know they really are the same magazine and maybe the two pages should merge to be consistent with other magazines that have gone through name changes. "In Times to Come" is another series that I think has little reference value, "The Reference Library" and "Brass Tacks" slightly more.
As to dropping "Analog:" from the title, I would love to have a shorter title but Analog is included in the title on the page and in the index, so I have been following the rule "Title - The title of the work. The title should appear exactly as published, even though this may be different from the canonical title." listed in the Help pages under "contents". Do we need to modify this guidance?
Someone should honcho the magazine pages and I kinda assumed that was you, if you need help, I would be glad to do what I can do, but we really need some standards rather than each of us who works in these pages doing their own thing. Thx, rbh (Bob) 19:05, 5 Mar 2008 (CST)
Bob, there is no magazine honcho here. I suppose it appeared that I was one, since I'm one of two, maybe three, active moderators who enter and approve magazine data almost exclusively. A lot of the rules are still vague and a little fluid, but there are enough editors and moderators working on magazines now, that we should nail down a more detailed standard, before things become hopelessly snarled. Swfritter and I have been verifying groups of fifties magazines together and working them to a standard that we've agreed upon in areas that are not fully defined already. Uniformity of appearance goes a long ways towards credibility, as a patchwork appearance weakens a user's confidence in our reliability. I'll take a try at filling in some of the vague areas in the rules, then drop it into Rules & Standards for discussion.
What to put in series and what not has never been settled. My comments about putting not putting all the departments into series was only a suggestion, as it takes a lot of time and energy to do this. As I think you've pointed out, you have a lot more magazines to enter once you've finished grooming the batch you're working on. If you wish to continue putting these departments into series, I have no problem with approving them. On dropping "Analog" from the title, you're correct, maybe we could take it out of the parenthesis?--Rkihara 00:42, 6 Mar 2008 (CST)
There are some things for which it is difficult to write rules and regulations, especially when they require a fair amount of subjective analysis. When the process of adding series to Analog began it was headed towards absolute disaster but luckily a number of moderators caught things on the fly and most of the work seems to be fairly consistent now. Putting the series link on the magazine wiki pages documents the series that are being added and allows others to check the consistency along with indicating to other editors what items should be in series and how they should be formatted. The essay series with specified authors are the most important ones to put in series because the author bibliography pages are more organized as a result. There are a lot of things I wouldn't put in series but if someone else has a significant number of issues of a title and is willing to put in the work, I am willing to follow their lead for that specific title. To my mind the only specific downside to a series is the amount of work it takes to enter the data. This is a honcho free zone.--swfritter 16:42, 6 Mar 2008 (CST)
Actually, "AnaLog" was the name of the feature. Note the capital "L". Pun intended. I'm not sure if that spelling is the same in every issue since I've not subscribed in the past decade. MHHutchins 16:31, 6 Mar 2008 (CST)

Futures series

Future (Analog) maybe? Luckily they can all be changed by modifying the series title instead of changing them individually. I would do it myself but want to make sure you have all your submissions in and have read this note.--swfritter 20:31, 5 Mar 2008 (CST)

Made the series title "Futures (Analog)" to be consistent with the title. Thx, rbh (Bob) 20:41, 5 Mar 2008 (CST)

Fergusson's poem in Analog, June 1984

I accepted your update to this pub, but is the poem on page 54 spelled "Rougue's Gallery" or "Rogue's Gallery"? Thanks. MHHutchins 18:14, 21 Mar 2008 (CDT)

"Probability Zero: Equivalence PrincipleEquivalence Principle"

I have approved all of your overnight submissions, but I was wondering if "Probability Zero: Equivalence PrincipleEquivalence Principle" is really spelled that way? Thanks! Ahasuerus 13:01, 24 Mar 2008 (CDT)

Even apart from the repetition (which looks like a copy-&-paste-twice), I'd suspect that the "Probability Zero: " part of the title shouldn't be there; isn't there a series for those? -- Dave (davecat) 13:25, 24 Mar 2008 (CDT)
I didn't make that entry, only assigned it to a series. Went back, confirmed what the real title is, and fixed that. Yes, there is a series called "Probability Zero" and all the titles in it start with that series name. I need to add that series to the series list on the Analog page as well as the other Analog series I have found and remind people to leave the series name off, then edit all the entries to remove the series name. In my copious spare time working off my Analog backlog. Thx, rbh (Bob) 19:55, 24 Mar 2008 (CDT)

Astounding/Analog Science Fact & Fiction, September 1960

I have approved Astounding/Analog Science Fact & Fiction, September 1960, but I wonder if T. C. Helvey's book's title was "Moon Base: Technical and Psychogical Aspects" or "Moon Base: Technical and Psychological Aspects" and whether the author of Fire Past the Future is "Charlets Eric Maine" or "Charlets Eric Maine"? Thanks! Ahasuerus 17:09, 9 Apr 2008 (CDT)

Fixed "Psychological". Bad fingers!!. Could not determine the difference in the the two "Chalert"s you showed. Confirmed that my spelling matched the spelling in the review. Searched on Eric Maine and found a Charles whose Biblio listed "Fire Past the Future" as a variant title. Made change and added a note of the misspelling.
P.S. I have also approved the changes to Analog Science Fact -> Fiction, November 1960 and then changed the title of the Van Dongen illustration from "Occasion for Disaster (Part 1 of 4 Parts)" to "Occasion for Disaster (Part 1 of 4)". Ahasuerus 17:18, 9 Apr 2008 (CDT)
Thanks, I copy the TOC into a spreadsheet template when I am not connected and then copy from that into the publication metadata when I connect. I fixed the offending "parts" in my template to prevent that from reoccurring. Thx, rbh (Bob) 11:49, 10 Apr 2008 (CDT)
Excellent, thanks! (And sorry about misspelling "Charles" above; apparently the old Usenet rule that correcting a typo always causes another one still applies...) Ahasuerus 12:27, 10 Apr 2008 (CDT)

Obituary series

Notice that you put Hal Clement's obituary into a series called "Obituary". This is an interesting idea but I thought I would hold it since it might be an idea others might want to comment about. I can see no downside and the upside is that we could use the series to organize all the obituaries.--swfritter 18:37, 11 Apr 2008 (CDT)

Seems like a good idea to me. Dana Carson 18:48, 11 Apr 2008 (CDT)
I have entered many and thought it was time as some people might like to be able to look them up. Thx, rbh (Bob) 19:28, 11 Apr 2008 (CDT)
Have approved. I might note that tags could have also been used. Also, if we could sort sub-series it might be an idea to have a series for each year - like 'Obituary (1966)' for an author who died in 1966. Maybe in the future?--swfritter 20:34, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I mentioned that flagging obituaries might be useful here but didn't get much response. Obituaries and Bibliographies in pubs we might already have are good things to point out, IMO. One recent entry seems to have led to a major filling-in of gaps for a certain author, for instance. I generally support the idea so long as it doesn't get lost in subdivisions by Magazine or Publisher - I'm not even too sure about Year subdivisions, I'd just like pointers to all this useful stuff from the author. BLongley 23:30, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I think some of the potential enhancements may provide support for linking authors to essays about them. I hope so - that is the only way to get the essay to show up on the author's page; unless we start crediting the deceased as the authors of their own obituaries. Using a series or tags will make it easier to find the essays until we have a way to link the authors.--swfritter 23:44, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Capturing the information is the first step but then each thing that we do to link it in useful ways so that it can be mined is another step in the right direction. Much of the biographical information about an author such as interviews, biographies, and obituaries, appear in the magazines so that is a rich source to exploit. We need to decide what needs to be done, do it as best we can, and then let the tools catch up. While my initial response to yearly series was positive, I am concerned that I would have to remember the year an author died in order to select the right series making the data less accessible. Thx, rbh (Bob) 02:46, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone have a reasonable Guesstimate of how many such articles we have? So far the "Obituary" and "In Memoriam" titles are less than a hundred in total so don't really need sub-dividing yet, but I don't know what other common phrases indicate such content. BLongley 17:41, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Sometimes only the authors name is used in the title. In that case I usually append it with (Obituary). Using the Obituary series makes that unnecessary. How many potential obituaries? Think Locus. They usually print 10 or 20 per issue.--swfritter 22:06, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
I haven't read Locus for years. Actually, Ansible is probably the only SF monthly I read now - and while that has a depressingly large number of recorded deaths nowadays, a lot of them are of fans and actors rather than anyone we normally record. And even if it's someone notable, an entry there is usually only useful enough to update the author entry, but I've never felt an article there is long enough to be worth separate recording. BLongley 22:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

An Lab Submissions

Your recent An Lab submissions have the months abbreviated in the title. The usual practice is to spell out the months in full as you've done for the publication date.--Rkihara 16:51, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Ack! And I approved them, or some of them! May, June, & September 1961 issues, to be precise. And looking now, I see that one lacked a colon, too. <sigh> -- Dave (davecat) 21:09, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Easily fixed. I considered approving them and leaving a note, I didn't put a hold on them for that reason.--Rkihara 21:49, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Fixed earlier today, Thx rbh (Bob) 02:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Change to verified pub If December 1965/April 1966

Changed authorship of "Hue and Cry" to The Editor. Responses by The Editor or an actual person take priority. Other notes: I had planned on putting all of the editorials for If in a series but this creates a problem since the editorial is also an obituary. Perhaps tags would be a better option for obituaries since this is likely to occur elsewhere. Also, it is very likely that all of the artwork pages will eventually be individually credited. This will require using actual page numbers rather than the number of title page of the story for artwork credits.--swfritter 22:12, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

April 1966 - Credited the editorial to The Editor and if I am sufficiently convinced that Pohl wrote the editorials (probably so) I will do the pseudonym thing. Also removed 'Editorial:' from the title of the editorial since it is inconsistent with previous entries and will become redundant when I put the editorials in a series.--swfritter 20:37, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Might note that in many other issues Pohl is credited as the author of the editorials on the TOC but as The Editor on the column. The April issue is one of those cases where this is not done.--swfritter 19:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Changes to your verified Analog, April 1961

Bob, I'm going to enter a bunch for this issue. Main change will be addition of individual illustrations as opposed to just a per-story art credit. At a glance, I'll also make the editorial be as by The Editor, & fact article be as by Campbell-with-no-Jr. Anything else I may catch as I go through I'll also clean up.
I know Bill Longley doesn't want to be responsible for verification when this level of detail has been entered. My impression is that you don't feel that way, but if you do let me know & I'll unverify it & verify it myself. Also, of course, let me know if you have any other problems with or questions about this. Thanks -- Dave (davecat) 15:41, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Ack! This is very strange. I made changes & submitted, & approved the submission. But it hung, & all the new contents did not get created. The fields in the pub itself seem to have been changed, though. I'll have to dig the pub back out & reenter all the artwork etc. again. <sigh> Dave (davecat) 19:22, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
You and I were both editing this page at the same time so all my inputs got lost in the bit bucket (Argh). I will try to recreate what I said. To be succinct this time, do it, I have no problem with your changes. There is no consensus on following the guidelines on using the name as it appears on the title page even though the Help pages say to do so. When I enter artists that are credited only by last name, they are sometimes expanded to full names. I would love a discussion page where those of us who work with magazines so that we could discuss such topics as listing individual artwork, series, tags, etc., and come to consensus so we could be consistent and reduce rework (My engineering management background is showing). Thx, rbh (Bob) 19:37, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
When the wiki shows you an "edit conflict", your (unsaved) changes are still available in the bottom edit window, and can be re-submitted. See Help:Edit conflict. -DES Talk 19:52, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Since you and Davecat are working in the same area I though there might be some collisions. Good idea for a common page. I think I suggested elsewhere that we should have a common area where we chart our courses. My own take on names - authors: always use the name on the title page as per the standards. Artists: if the artwork is signed or credited with a name use that - only expand initials and then only if you are sure who they represent. Since I have an English degree and a Computer Science degree I am ambivalent about everything.--swfritter 21:08, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Oops! I forgot about another issue under discussion - Editorials signed with initials where it is clear who the editor is. I usually expand them.--swfritter 23:53, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
I see my name mentioned - you're right, Dave, I am happy to let people take over perceived "verification responsibilities" when it goes beyond what I'm willing to do for a pub. With Magazines, that's usually someone with the same publication as I have and if so there's no problem, if the other owner wants to do artwork credits in more detail and create series for things I personally see no use for, good luck to them! I haven't specifically gone out to UN-verify my magazines as it seems some Magazine editors didn't realize that UK editions are not always the same as US ones - that's improving though. But me keeping a verification for the moment just means I'm willing to answer questions - I created the "Primary - Transient" verification as a step forward but multiple verifications are (IMO) the way forward for now, and even those could do with a longer-term view as we're all mortal (or if not, send me details!) BLongley 21:57, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Changes to verified pub If July 1967

Editorial - as mentioned above. Vaughn Bodé instead of Bode - based upon canonical name signed on artwork and with the little wiggledywag on the e. Title for artwork attribution was "Spaceman" when it should have been "Spaceman! (Part 3 of 3) ".--swfritter 22:10, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Moderator?

The moderators have been talking about you behind your back, and have decided to ask you if you would like to become a moderator. Would you like to become a moderator? If so reply here, and we will begin the nomination process. There is a Moderator Qualifications page. Alvonruff 20:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I am both pleased and honored to be considered, and would like to become a moderator. Thx, rbh (Bob) 02:41, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
The nomination was a smashing success and has been now closed. Congratulations, Bob, you are now a moderator! :) Ahasuerus 01:30, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
At this time, the moderator button does not work for me, it says I need sysop permission. Thx, rbh (Bob) 23:49, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Hm, that's very strange, I can see your "sysop" flag set in the "User rights management" screen. I wonder if it has something to do with the move to the new host and the subsequent Wiki upgrade? Let me ask Al... Ahasuerus 00:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
The new version of MediaWiki tracks user rights differently than the old veriosn. For now I updated you rights the old way in the legacy SQL table. Try again. Alvonruff 01:07, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Works now, Thanks! rbh (Bob) 01:26, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Art credit for Analog, November 1960 - "Bernklou"?

Bob, I've just approved your submissions for Analog, November 1960, but I'm questioning the illustrations by "Bernklou". Are you sure it's not "Bernklau"?
I admit that Analog's proofreading was truly awful, so anything's possible; but if it does say "Bernklou" my own impulse would be to still enter it as "Bernklau" & put a note in the pub & maybe in the titles. Unless there's evidence of another artist working for Analog back in those days. -- Dave (davecat) 21:55, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure, between the typeface and print size, comparing the "o" in van Dongen to the "a" or "o" in the artist formally known as "Bernklau", either letter is possible. I will assume the "a" is correct and change the spelling. Thx, rbh (Bob) 22:34, 9 May 2008 (UTC)


BTW, you might also see what I just entered on Swfritter's page Dave (davecat) 22:12, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I also try very hard to enter what is there and in later issues the "Jr." appears but in the earlier issues, I have been removing it if the content page does not list his name with a "Jr." after it. I have been doing this as I have been adding the additional artwork rather than going in and doing only that change. Adding the additional artwork is what caused the error I made above, I copied the name from the existing entry without checking to see that it was spelled right. My bad. Thx, rbh (Bob) 22:34, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
In the case of misspelled credit it is common practice to treat the misspelled name as a pseudonym. You will have to use your judgment on some cases - for instance, some people would see 'deFord' and 'de Ford' as a pseudonym pair while others would just correct to the canonical name.--swfritter 22:40, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Keep in mind, folks, that we want to accommodate what we call "naive users", i.e. users who come to the ISFDB with no pre-existing knowledge of the genre, e.g. a 12 year during his personal "Golden Age of Science Fiction" who may own a grand total of 2 SF books and/or magazines. If his copy mis-attributes a story, an essay or an illustration, he will have no way of telling that it is a typo. If we don't record that typo, our hypothetical naive user will never find the author/artist in the database. Granted, it can get tiresome to keep setting up variant titles and pseudonyms when you know exactly what the copy editor missed, but it also makes the database significantly more robust and useful. Ahasuerus 23:04, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. My tendency for a one-time "Bernklou" illustration would still be to correct & put a note, I think. But I've done dozens (at least) of Vincent diFate entries as variants linked to Vincent Di Fate. -- Dave (davecat) 21:17, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Changes to verified pub, F&SF May 2003

Made the following changes to your verified pub. Substituted an "&" for "and" in the magazine title, and changed publisher from "Spilogale" to "Spilogale, Inc." in conformance with the publication info below TOC. Added mag title and date to essays that were otherwise undifferentiated, and altered reviewed book titles as required to link to pubs in the database. Added "series" hyperlinks. Removed reviewedd film titles in parenthesis from "Films," as this was not part of the title. Added book reviewed under "Curiosities," to reviews.--Rkihara 21:39, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Just noticed that you've made recent verifications of F&SF from 2004 up. I've been working my way up F&SF from 1960. If you're doing the years 2004 and up, I'll work on other magazines, so we don't bump into each other.--Rkihara 05:26, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Nope, in Dallas on business, had a few odd magazines with me including a few F&SF, put in the reviews, page numbers, and cartoons but did not verify so that you could do that and make sure they were consistent with the rest. Ran out of other stuff to keep busy in the evenings. I have stopped verifying F&SF until you get through and then I will compare what I have to what is not verified and try to fill in any holes. If I have verified anything you have that you want responsibility for, let me know and I will unverify. I have about 80 of them scattered over the years at home but they are low on my list of things to do. Most of the time, if I look at one, you have verified it so I mark it done and go back and work on my Analog/Astounding backlog.  :-) Thx, rbh (Bob) 12:08, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I generally avoid areas that other people are working in, as it's more productive to work in parallel. If you're not specifically working on F&SF, I'll continue on. An easy way to check for unverified magazines is to click on the publisher link in the title block. This brings up a matrix of years that the publisher was active. Clicking on a year will bring up the list of pubs published in that year and their verification status. For publishers like Ziff-Davis, the list gets a little crowded.--Rkihara 14:50, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Verified pub F&SF, June 2006, added cover image--Rkihara 17:20, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Analog Feb 1971

Is the review of the making of 2001 here by Jerome Agel or James Agel? BLongley 16:07, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

The editor's name is "James" in the review, after confirming that two other reviews list the editor as Jerome as well as the book itself, I have made a change and provided an explanation in the notes. I will leave it to you to review the change and note and approve it. Thx, rbh (Bob) 19:32, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, but I'm holding off messing with Reviewee names in reviews till the discussion here pans out. We've got reviews of pseudonymous variants which are fine (I think) if the title exists under that pseudonym: I'm not so sure it's OK if we don't have that title under that pseudonym: but it might be if we have both the pseudonym and the title set up. I think Al is leaning towards tidying up names on reviews, but it could be that creating pseudonyms for author variants that only exist because of reviews is good enough. Maybe the answer to this will give us another clue. In the meantime, apologies for cluttering up the Submission queue with my "not sure yet" edits. BLongley 19:55, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Analog May 1994

I suspect the interiorart is actually by "Pat Morrissey" here? BLongley 16:09, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! rbh (Bob) 16:26, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Change to verified pub If July 1967

I have changed the author of Hue and Cry to The Editor. When the editor signs a letter column he is considered to be the author. This also makes the entry consistent with the rest of the series.--swfritter 17:38, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Perry Rhodan

Oops! As counter-intuitive as it is the most recent year should be first. You may also want to incorporate template:magazine so the header and Bibliographic Tasks grid are standardized. Looks like you've got a lot of work ahead of you.--swfritter 22:37, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Donald Willheim?

Is the typo in the magazine? BLongley 18:11, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Change to verified pub Today We Choose Faces

I added a note about the unusual "Number paragraph" found in my copy, which seems to be the same printing as the copy you verified. -DES Talk 16:27, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I also added cover art, please check that it is correct for your edition when you have a chance. Thanks. -DES Talk 16:43, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

The Forgotten Planet

Correct cover? BLongley 17:31, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Changes to verified pub Amazing Stories September 1970

Changed Gregory Benford to Greg Benford as listed and applied pseudonym. Added column title to "The Science in Science Fiction" - this was done mostly to be consistent with other entries in the series although if a series is actually created I think it would be valid to remove the column title from the titles. Also linked a couple of reviews that did not get linked in the automated process.--swfritter 17:15, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Changes to verified pub Amazing Stories May 1971

Changed first illo for "The Lathe of Heaven" from essay to interiorart. Also changed credit to the editorial credit of Michael Wm. Kaluta rather than Mike Kaluta. Changed page number for The Weapon Shops of Isher II illo to 67 which I think is consistent with the way you normally enter artwork and the manner it is being done in most other issues of Amazing. Changed "Growing up Fast in the City" to short story from shortfiction. Same with "By the Book". And "Night-Eyed Prayer". "The Science in Science Fiction": as above.--swfritter 16:20, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Changes to verified pub Amazing Stories July 1971

Changed Border Town from shortfiction to short story. Gave illo for The Lost Language the likely first publication and modified title to indicate that it is a reprint. "The Science in Science Fiction": see above + Book was not credited.--swfritter 16:28, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Changed to Benford only and added a note to the pub to explain why the title page credit is inaccurate.--swfritter 14:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Perry Rhodan Series input

I am new to the db. I am inputing my collection concentrating on series. I notice that the data is not complete for the series and you have done a great job on the ones you have. Would you mind if I input what I have. I have the Ace editions almost complete, missing one, plus I have most of the subscriber editions. I checked out your methodology and believe I can come close to your standards. I am not challenging you, but I spent some time getting it together and it almost rankles to see it was not fully updated. If you would rather, I not do so, that would be no problem. If you allow, I would appreciate your input. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 11:04, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Please start entering, keep in mind that they are input as magazines and that some of the earlier editions were reissued with a new ISBN so need to be listed in the second table and British editions in the third. Some are already scattered throughout the ISFDB without any mention of Perry in the titles and need to be found and joined. If you start at your most recent and I start from the beginning, we shouldn't step on each other. When you get to #80, let me know and then go to the start and fill in any gaps so we don't conflict with each other. Thx, rbh (Bob) 14:43, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Sounds like a good plan. Will start soon. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:45, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
I have reviewed PR 82 & PR 101 and find that I have a conceptual disagreement with the way they are broken down. In both cases the story is being broken down into the chapter segments and these are labeled as novellas, shortstory, ctc. As I understand it, the writers did a story for the Perry Rhodan series in Germany published in one issue. They may look like separate stories, but it is the style of the German magazine. I think the error crept in with the first five Ace issues of Perry Rhodan. These were short stories because the magazine was starting and the first five Ace editions are a combination of two of the German magazine stories from different issues. Worse yet, the Ace series is out of sequence with German PR. This was caused by disagreements on the worth of some of the early stories. Ace was concerned with building a reader base. At least two major characters were renamed by F. Ackerman to make the American readers more easy. Reginald Bell was something BULL. I can not remember the specific of his first name, but F. Ackerman felt that bull this and that was possibly offensive. The second great change was the mousebeaver Pucky is actually Gucky in German. The change was aimed to endear the reader with the character. Part of the problems between the German and American publishers is based on such changes. In a real sense the stories are not just translations, but edited translations. I think Ackerman did a very good job, but most German speakers disagree. I am sorry for beating this issue, but I think it better to address it at this point. The Wikipedia article on Perry Rhodan explains it somewhat, and the issue breakdown is under English Publication History of that article. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:48, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Ace 1-5 were 2 novellas per issue, after that, they were one novel per issue until you get to the double issues at 113 and ending at 120. Some early editors thought the chapters were stand alone stories and entered them that way. These need to be corrected. Also, do not enter the ads even though they are in the TOC. Thx, rbh (Bob) 02:33, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
I have put in Perry Rhodan #120 Killers from Hyperspace. It shows a novella without the magazine, but in small comic digest size. Check the notes for format. I think this shows that the segments in the Ace editions are complete stories, not collections of short stories. The spacer teasers with things like 50 from now Visit the Blue Dwarf are Magazine style plugs for future editions determined by the original German editions of Perry Rhodan. There were no such teasers or extras in #120. Basically the novella comes with a character page (possibly used only in Ace and Master editions). The content is a prologue style introduction followed by an Order of the Action (a chapter listing) followed by the story at page 1. Of course, I could not figure out how to get it into the series. My suggestion is to show one story by the author. Trying to recognize the limitations: The Ace series needs to be inputed. The Master series also needs cataloging. The issue of connecting it to the German series needs to be left as mentioned by others. The fact is the Ace and Master series are translation and editorial variations, not true copies of the originals. The 137 and following variants should be inputed as only title with what information can be found, until someone who has them can fill out the details. I believe that Orbit (British) editions are probably copies of the Ace editions. Orbit did the same with the Dray Prescot series. I suggest they be annotated with the original numbers as variants only. I hope this helps in some way. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 01:36, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
For those issues I do not have, I am entering the limited data (PR# and Title, ISBN or Ace #, and price and date (if I can find them) and leaving details until another editor with a copy can flesh it out. Note that since these are entered as Magazines, there are some limitations on what you can do. Magazines normally do not have reprints with new numbers and prices hence the reissues listing. Not all issues were reissued and as we find that limit and the years, we can reorganize that portion of the magazine page. Thx, rbh (Bob) 02:33, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Good, I was afraid you thought they were collections of stories from one author. I will get 120-136 entered and then the 117-118 double. The 119 is the first Master. It and 137 on, I do not have. Still have not figured out how to move 120 into the series. Is the Perryscope entered? Notice PR#120 has no editor or translator acknowledgements as there are none in the printing. I will note the variance in the Master series printings. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:21, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Everything in the TOC except the advert from Kris (?) should be entered, look at PR#10 for an example. The number under the ISBN should be the ISBN or failing that, another identifying number such as #441-xxxxx. Please fix that on #120. If you search for Perry Rhodan #120:, you should get the following page:

A search for "perry Rhodan #120" found 1 matches

Title Type Year Authors Perry Rhodan #120: Killers from Hyperspace EDITOR 1978 William Voltz

Click on the title and a second page comes up. On that page, a list of editing tools will appear in the left column. The third one down is "Edit Title Data". Select that and enter "Perry Rhodan" under "series" and "120" under "Series Num". After the edit is approved, it will appear in the series listing. (Never mind, I see you found that and I just approved it.) Thx, rbh (Bob) 15:52, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I will do #80 in morning and then start filling in gaps. Awaiting any further instructions. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 00:25, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
When I changed the data for previously entered titles my change became apparently a variant to the series title. What is the proper method to separate them and make them show correctly? I tried deleting the series data. Anyway I will fill blanks till I understand the proper method. Sorry for the bother. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:47, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Added PR16 & 17 and then stopped. I think I am imposing and causing you too much work so I will stop till I hear back from you. I always have a drive to complete and time to do it, but others have lives. LOL Besides I am afraid I may be creating more havoc than I should. I am verifying as a transient on what I input in this series. I hope that will stimulate others to check what I did. I will have my copies and check anything for anyone. Meanwhile I will input other things. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:07, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Changes to verified pub "Amazing Stories" August 1979

W. K. Sonneman misspelled - is actually W. K. Sonnemann and the story is a reprint from 1936 - length is novelette. Changed signature "ed." to generic "The Editor". Linked "The Man Who Awoke" review to collection rather than shortfiction. Categorized the following as short stories: "Mecano Sapiens", "The Inevitable Conclusion", "The Man in the Silver Suit". Changed "Amazing Facts" to Amazing Facts: The Intelligent Machine". Changed page number for "Sunfire!" from 132 to bc and added illo for same.--swfritter 17:40, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Changes to Your Verified pub, Amazing Stories, May 1980

Added cover image and circulation figures to notes. Linked reviews to pubs. Added all illustrations (9), poems (2), and biosketches (9). Corrected page numbering for several stories where numbering was set to start of text (story starts on first page whether it's illustration or text. Page number of illustration on page that it appears).--Rkihara 03:51, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Cosmos Chapter 8a: Volunteers From Venus

Could you please double check if the name of the co-author of "Cosmos Chapter 8a: Volunteers From Venus" is spelled "Otis Albert Kline" or "Otis Adelbert Kline" in your verified Perry Rhodan #42: Time's Lonely One? Thanks! Ahasuerus 23:19, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Just got back from travel and that is already fixed. Thx, rbh (Bob) 21:45, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Hm, are you sure it has been fixed? That "Cosmos Chapter 8a" Title record shows up as by "Otis Albert Kline" when I pull it up... Ahasuerus 02:15, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
This is the problem with the multiple records, if you go to the Perry Rhodan magazine page and select #42, it comes up with the correct spelling. My recent spate of travel and keeping up with Harry's (Dragoondelight) submissions/corrections, it will be well into August until I get the Rhodans cleaned up, but I will get it done! Thx, rbh (Bob) 03:18, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
No worries, I have merged this Title record (which had both author names misspelled) with the proper one. Perry Rhodan will be a bit of a pain because of the number of serializations... Ahasuerus 03:34, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
And by the way, I see that there is another record for PR #42 already on file. Ahasuerus 23:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, I am going through and cleaning up as best I can, I will clean that one up along with about 10 others. Then comes the reprints and the British editions. Thx, rbh (Bob) 21:45, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Change to your verified pub Analog Science Fiction and Fact, December 2004

I added the cover scan. Tpi 09:27, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

#610-53785

That's an unusual artist name, might that pub be worth another look? BLongley 10:51, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes it is. Found my copy, confirmed that no cover artist was listed, and moved the offending cover artist to the correct location. I don't really remember verifying the pub but it must have been within the last month or so as it was in the stack beside my chair. I must be getting senile. Thx, rbh (Bob) 12:32, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't look as if the edit has taken. Lookups get "Mangled Argument" errors - is there another way to edit it or do we have to point this out to Al? BLongley 09:47, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
OK, it seems it did work, just nobody approved your edit. BLongley 22:11, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Swann's Day of the Minotaur

I've added cover art to your verified edition of this title. Also added the month of publication as printed in the 1978 second Ace printing. 00:33, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Donald J. Wollheim

Please verify that the middle initial is credited as "J" in this pub. Thanks. MHHutchins 01:50, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Possible change to your verified pub Analog Science Fiction and Fact, Feb 1975

I noticed that in the letter column there are letters by Damon Knight and David Gerrold. Should those be added? Tpi 10:15, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Change to your verified pub Analog Science Fiction and Fact, November 2004

The bookreview of Ringworld's Children was spelled "Ringwrld's Children", probably mistake? Tpi 12:04, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Change to your verified pub Analog Science Fiction and Fact, January/February 2004

I am going through db issues of Analog changing "/" between months to "-", as general guidelines recommend. I might encounter other issues you have verified, and if changing "/" to "-" is the only change, I am not going to report them separatedly. However, in this issue I changed a few other things as well. I changed both "Anlab" and "Brass Tacks" to uncredited. Also, in the story "Inversus" John Allemand was probably interior artist, not another author. Are these changes ok? Also, the title of "Alternate View" looks strange - is it correct? I don't have that issue at hand. Tpi 16:39, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Change to your verified pub Analog Science Fiction and Fact, July/August 2004

Is this "Dear Analog: A History of Brass Tacks • shortfiction by Kyle Kirkland " really fiction? Again, I don't have that issue.Also, I changed Brass Tacks and Anlab to uncredited. Tpi 16:47, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

change to your verified pub Analog, April 1975

Way back in November when I was entering Analog, April 1975, I was of two minds about how to handle the pro/con "guest editorial", & I asked here for advice. Finally, someone replied, arguing for the way I hadn't done it (& there was a metoo from DES). I'm still of two minds, but this kind of tipped me over on the other side of the fence. You'd subsequently verified this pub; if you really think it should be the other way around, feel very free to change it back.
I didn't go back to the original pub at this point, to verify that both did in fact start on p. 5. I'll do that tomorrow if I remember; have to dig it out. Dave (davecat) 21:02, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

By a remarkable coincidence I was reading that issue yesterday. The both guest editorials start at the same page, 5. The one written by Paul Wilson continues on the next page, the one written by Alan Nourse continues on page 174. Tpi 16:15, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Thank you! That was what I remembered, but after most of a year I wanted to check. Dave (davecat) 16:25, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
And I further just updated Dave's change to the second editorial, to include it in the 'Editorial (Analog)' series, and to duplicate the descriptive note. If you feel this change is incorrect, please let me know that you disagreed with this and Dave's fist edit and change it to your preferred form. kpulliam 02:53, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
<sigh> Thank you. Tried to do this in too much of a hurry. Dave (davecat) 13:55, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Astounding, February, 1957 (verification request)

Bob, when you get a chance could you check something for me? The pub record shows "Omnilingual" as having five illustrations. The Project Gutenberg edition (HTML version) based on that issue has six. Looking at them, I'm reasonably sure that the first two were originally one illustration that crossed the gutter (& I entered a note to that effect when I did that pub entry. It would be nice to be sure that this is right (& that the other illustrations correspond in order); since this is one of the nice PG editions that include page numbers, I'd like to document the illustrations as reprints. Look at it when you get a chance, if you would. Thanks very much. Dave (davecat) 14:46, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
I decided to go ahead & enter the changes I think needed to be made, but put the submission on hold pending an answer here. The page numbers all correlate with those in the Astounding pub entry. Dave (davecat) 15:06, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, lot of travel the last couple of months, overnights with no time to look at ISFDB. The illustration on page 8 continues on page 9, but it is absolutely a single illustration. There are 4 more for a total of 5. Thx, rbh (Bob) 01:21, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks very much. Dave (davecat) 15:59, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Harlan Ellison's Approaching Oblivion

I've updated your verified pub with the cover art, the month of publication and price (from Locus). MHHutchins 23:14, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Changes to your verified Analogs in 1975

You have verified three issues of Analogs in 1975. I have made some small changes to those. I have used fep for content on the front inside cover instead of page number. I also have added a few letters by known sf authors. Tpi 19:28, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Bob - please take a look at User talk:Tpi#Tpi's submission (title remove)of Letter (Analog, March 1975) and comment on this on TPI's talk page. It involves deleting one of the letters from a magazine you verified. Thank you. Marc Kupper (talk) 18:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I have also added AnLab results in the "Notes" section on your verified publications Jan, Feb, Apr issues of Analog. I have done it also to Oct, Nov and Dec Analogs from 1974 - I have also used fep for content on the front inside cover instead of page number. Tpi 19:18, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Faery Lands Forlorn

Apologies. I loaded an image that should match both our copies. Please check and advise if this bothers you. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 16:24, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

William P. or B. Ellern

Is the author of the "New Lensman" chapter in this issue credited as "William P. Ellern" or "William B. Ellern" (as the future chapters are)? Also, can you verify that there were only 14 parts to this story as the last part appears to be in this issue? Thanks. MHHutchins 20:58, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Updated the notes, Copyright and table of contents list William B. Story title page lists William P. Changed the listing to "B.". Lots of typos in that issue. Issue 74 contained Part 14 (Chapter 15) which was the conclusion, Issue 75 was the start of a new serial. Thx rbh (Bob) 21:54, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Changed to your verified pub Worlds of Tomorrow Winter 1970

Changed the publication month of this mag to December. Ashley and Contento list it in that month and, perhaps more importantly, it is advertised in the November-December, 1970 issue of If. I also might note that the cover artist is credited as Jack Gaughan in the isfdb but only Gaughan in the physical magazine. I did not change and there is internal evidence for the first name in that the associate art director is Jack Gaughan. We all know it is Jack, of course, but the people who are editing the isfdb a hundred years from now may not.--swfritter 18:04, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

It seems if it credits "Gaughan" then that's what you should use and would then variant title to Jack Gaughan. Marc Kupper (talk) 04:20, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. Most of the cover artist information was originally entered from secondary sources which used the full name. Unfortunately it is quite common for editors either not to notice the discrepancy in credits or to think it is not significant. It is not uncommon to see verified pubs that have not been corrected.--swfritter 15:02, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Artwork for "The Dream Machine" credited to Jack Gaughan - his initials are clearly legible on the first illustration. Same with McFarlane, Jakes, Barrett, and Koontz stories. Changed UPD Publishing Company to UPD Publishing Corporation.--swfritter 15:05, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Firesong

Hi Bob - I rejected your update to Firesong. You wanted to change

  • The date from 2002-09-00 to 2003-00-00.
  • The price from $17.99 to $11.99.
  • Add the note: A reading group guide of 13 pages is bound into the back of the book

Amazon has a Search Inside that shows $17.99 for a first U.S. edition dated 2002. The ISFDB publication record seems to be correct other than the binding may be wrong. ISFDB has TP, Amazon says HC, the Search Inside looks like a HC, but the copyright page says "ISBN 0-7868-0571-4 (trade ed.)." I suspect it's a hc.

Rather than updating the publication record which seems to match Amazon's physical copy please clone SNGFFR2002 to create a tp priced at $11.99. Generally I operate on the principle that data in ISFDB tends to be correct and I don't delete or change things unless I have really strong evidence that it's wrong. This is particularly true for the price field and the only wrong prices that tend to show up in the DB are when a book is announced at one price but published at another (and usually higher) price. The page count field is probably the least reliable and I always approve changes to those without bothering to research them. Marc Kupper (talk) 21:59, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Changes to your verified pub Analog Science Fiction and Fact, January-February 2004

I added cover scan, removed dublication from the title of Alternative view feature, and changed prob zero story from "short fiction" to "short story". Hope this is OK? Tpi 16:21, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Earth Made of Glass

In verifying my copy to this [1] . I found this image [2] . If this works for you, then we match totally. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 22:46, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Change to your verified pub Analog Science Fiction and Fact, January 2003

I added the cover scan, hope it is ok? Tpi 16:00, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Anlab results from year 1974

I added the results from Anlab polls published in 1974. They were for between Oct 1973 and Sept 1974. Tpi 17:48, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Changes to verified pub Analog December 1960

Pretty minor. First art for "Occasion for Disaster" on page 65 instead of 64. ""They Do It With Mirrors . . ." - there were no spaces between the dots of the ellipsis. Changed cover artist to Schoenherr (as credited) rather than John Schoenherr--swfritter 15:13, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Changes to verified pub Analog Novemeber 1960

Changed cover artist to Van Dongen as credited. Changed author of "Instrumentation for the Dean Drive" to John W. Campbell as credited. Changed author of editor to "The Editor" as credited. I noticed that some of the editorials so credited assign Campbell as a pseudonym. Was there ever any agreement on that? In the case of the editorials it is probably justified.--swfritter 15:35, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Changes to verified pub Astounding/Analog September 1960

Found another piece of artwork for "Alarm Clock" on page 125. Changed cover artist to Van Dongen as credited. Split Analytical Library into two essays (for May and June) and designated the month where the stories appeared. Linked some unlinked book reviews.--swfritter 16:16, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

King David's Spaceship

Have added the gutter code L25 to KNGDVDSSPC0000 which is consistent with the publishing date and is also in the PUBLISHER:SFBC db on ISFDB. I am curious about the price on this pub record of $11.95. This is way out of whack for an '81 edition, typically $3.98-$4.98. What was the source?--Bluesman 14:56, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Perry Rhodan #19: Mutants vs. Mutants

I was working on John R. Pierce's bibliography today and came across "The Relics from Earth", which Ackerman reprinted in Perry Rhodan #19. I have a second printing of this magazine, so I pulled it up and made the following changes:

  1. Added a note about the second (1974) printing
  2. Changed the title of Pierce's story from "Relics from the Earth" to "The Relics from the Earth" and added the following note: "The Relics from the Earth" billed as "Relics from the Earth" in the table of contents and on the copyright page."
  3. Changed Ackerman's "Scientifilm World (PR#19)" from a short story to an essay
  4. Made "Little Johnny" a variant title of the 1948 appearance of this story as by O. G. Estes, Jr.

Also, I merged a few of the "Shock Short" reprint stories with the original titles and now they look rather strange. Since the "Shock Shorts" stories were unrelated, do we want to list them as a department on the Wiki/magazine page rather than as a Series? Ahasuerus 02:54, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Perry Rhodan #50: Attack from the Unseen

I was about to set up a variant title for Doc Smith's "Robot Nemesis" when I noticed that we had two "Cosmos" chapters labeled "13a": "Cosmos (Part 13a of X): Course Perilous" in PR 49 and "Cosmos Chapter 13a: Course Perilous!" in PR #50. I pulled out my PR copies and found that the one in PR #50 was listed as "13a" in the table of contents, but was actually "13b" on the title page, so I adjusted PR#50 accordingly. The whole thing is a mess since Part 13 (a and b) appears after Part 11, but before Part 12 (a and b). Oh well! Ahasuerus 04:23, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Change to your verified pub Astounding February 1958

Changed all essay credits from Campbell to The Editor to be consistent with the way the data is being entered for other issues. Changed all artwork attributions to be as credited rather than full name - this is important because we have yet to determine canonical names for artists. Added multiple artwork entries. Added review for "Science Fiction Yearbook" which is reviewed extensively in The Reference Library. Changed author of "Jules Verne: Master of Science Fiction" to Verne rather than the editor of the volume - Miller's heading was misleading.--swfritter 15:33, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Legends II: New Short Novels by the Masters of Modern Fantasy

I updated your verified Legends II: New Short Novels by the Masters of Modern Fantasy.

You had the stories set up as Realm of the Elderlings: Homecoming which is the form used in the table of contents. I split these out so that it's an essay titled Realm of the Elderlings followed by a novella titled Homecoming which is the form used on the title pages in the body of the publication and also supported by the copyright page. Marc Kupper (talk) 05:48, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Change to your verified pub Astounding December 1957

Changed cover artist to Freas as credited. Removed artwork listing for Page 81 - no artwork there - the first artwork is on page 82 and there was an entry for that.--swfritter 17:18, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Change to your verified pub Astounding November 1957

Changed cover artist to Freas as credited. Changed author of Brass Tacks to uncredited. Added three book reviews from the essay section of The Reference Library.--swfritter 17:31, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Change to your verified pub Astounding October 1957

Only change was to modify the title of The Reference Library with a sub-heading title that the columns usually have - forgot to mention this above. Great to have three pubs so well done - made my three-a-day go really quick.--swfritter 17:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Changes to your verified pub Astounding September 1957

Changed cover artist to Van Dongen as credited. Some of the book reviews had the wrong page numbers. Changed the editor of the reviewed book Astounding Tales of Space and Time from James(?) W. Campbell, Jr. to John W. Campbell, Jr.--swfritter 15:56, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Changes to your verified pub Astounding April 1957

Changed credit for cover artist to Freas as credited. Made two essays for The Analytical Laboratory - one for each month. Changed spelling from "Tommorow's World" to "Tomorrow's World" (as credited - and spelt beter) in review column - added title of review column.--swfritter 16:59, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Change to your verified pub Astounding December 1956

Cover artist as credited and Reference Library title - will probably not notify these changes in the future. There is an illustration entry for "Names! Names! Names!" and a credit to Freas on the title page of the story - but my copy has no actual illustration and I am missing no pages. Elucidation!!!--swfritter 16:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Analog Science Fiction and Fact, May 2003

I have changed the spelling of Don D'Ammassa's name in your verified Analog Science Fiction and Fact, May 2003 from "Don D/Ammassa" to "Don D'Ammassa". Hopefully it wasn't the magazine's typo :) Ahasuerus 02:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Verified Pubs: Astounding 1948

Added "Nav Bar," and comments to "Notes." Put "In Times to Come" and "The AnLab" into series. Marked transient verification.

11/1948 - Small changes. Shortened credit for cover art to "Rogers," from "Hubert Rogers," per TOC. Split July/August AnLab into two separate entries. If you have no objections, I am thinking of removing the Willy Ley illustrations for consistency with rest of Astounding entries, per rules for including interior art -

" . . .If an article is illustrated with diagrams, or with photographs, these do not need to be included; they are not "artwork" in the sense that we are indexing."

Changed "A" in "The Players of A" to "Ā."--Rkihara 17:03, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


12/1948 - Small changes. Changed credit for editorial from John W. Campbell, to "The Editor" as signed. Shortened credit for cover art to "Orban," from "Paul Orban," per TOC. Added illustrations pp. 46 and 65. Changed title "Players of A" to "The Players of Ā."--Rkihara 17:24, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Changes to 1961 issues

Same stuff - cover artist as credited, John W. Campbell - editor as credited, Editorials by The Editor as credited, add titles for The Reference Library. Found a few illustrations and some misspellings in books reviewed.--swfritter 18:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Steve Mudd

Could you please check whether Tom Easton's review of Tangled Webs in your verified Analog Science Fiction and Fact, December 1989 attributes the book to "Steven Mudd" or "Steve Mudd"? TIA! Ahasuerus 02:15, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

On travel last week and for the next 2. Might get a chance to check this in the Thanksgiving timeframe. I know precisely where I put the box with that magazine. Thx rbh (Bob) 23:13, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! :) Ahasuerus 01:43, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Changes to verified pub Astounding November 1955

Cover artist as credited, AnLab - added month where stories originally appeared, Reference Library - title + review of Wollheim anthology in intro section. "Few Were Left" was misspelled "Few Where Left" in review section. Date for editorial was 1955-00-00. Second piece of artwork for "Slingshot" was entered as shortfiction and did not have "[2]".--swfritter 19:16, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Your verified The Pirate of World's End

New User:Gloinson has added an interior art record to your verified pub, along with a related note. Please check if this matches your copy. -DES Talk 22:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Atom Conspiracy

Added Jack Gaughan as the artist on your verified pub TMCNSPRC1966. The initials JG are visible just above "Complete & Unabridged".--Bluesman 05:23, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Change to your verified pub Astounding April 1955

The usual. Cover credit, The Editor credits, stealth reviews in intro, multiple artwork. Interesting that Kelly Freas rather than just Freas is used for interior credit. Only time I have seen that from Dec 1961 to this issue.--swfritter 22:01, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Brain Child

Expanded the publisher of BKTG18603 to match the copyright page; also added notes to the effect of "First edition; full number line" and quoted the statement on the copyright page that portions of chapters 2, 4 & 5 had been previously published. Cheers!--Bluesman 03:58, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

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