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John Bowring

your 16:25:09 rejection notice [North America eastern daylight saving time]: "changed the author record instead as this would have deleted the existing author record and lost all the bio data"

Be assured I would not have submitted such a request if there were data other than name in our record for Author #283115. I submitted name change as unstated preparation to add values to some other fields in the Bowring author record, which I had assembled. I supposed it would be easy to remove "Sir" at the early stage with all other fields empty. But no.

Probably Christian Stonecreek added those meagre data hastily, after rejecting my first request (14:26:54 at *My* Rejected Edits).

By the way, we now have "my" field values for Bowring, whom we have reknighted canonically. And I retire from touching him. (presumably created here by Rtrace at the time of 1823 publication note "Translated by John Bowring, according to the wikipedia article on him.")

Welcome back to your talk page, if not to ISFDB. --Pwendt|talk 11:26, 24 March 2020 (EDT)

It is irrelevant whether someone added the data after you made your change. It still had to be rejected due to how the ISFDB software works. That is just a fact of life with our collaborative editing. It can happen under a number of different situations. That said, if this edit was rejected once you should not have re-submitted it without discussion. It would have been better to discuss it with Stonecreek or at the Community Portal. Had I known there was disagreement, I would not have made the change. Re-submitting when a moderator has rejected due to an error is one thing. But when there is a difference of opinion, please discuss first. That will save some turmoil. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:31, 24 March 2020 (EDT)
Odd as it may seem to some of us being purely republicans, I do understand that Sir is (and was) to be considered as part of the legal name in England, so it'd be incorrect to delete this title. Stonecreek 13:45, 24 March 2020 (EDT)

Big Echo

Hi, just looking through the Recent Edits list, and I saw you've been doing a bunch of work on "issues" of these today.

Could I briefly divert your attention a recent item on my talk page re. this magazine? I added a 2018 issue plus contents, as one of the articles was a BSFA award nominee. Bob approved my edit, but raised a few issues, in particular how I'd named the issue. I did respond with my thoughts on why that seemed like maybe not a good idea (if my limited understanding as a newbie, and as someone who'd never touched any magazine on ISFDB before), but he's not seen or had to respond as yet.

It looks to me like you're doing something slightly different again - having both the issue number and month in the pub title - so could you maybe advise re. the issue I added? Or better still, take it off my hands, as I don't really have any interest in magazines, but wanted to try to make a reasonable attempt at populating that issue whilst getting towards my real goal of getting the BSFA Award noms complete ;-)

Thanks ErsatzCulture 12:44, 28 March 2020 (EDT)

Yes, I'm going through the whole series (standardizing existing ones & adding new ones). I saw that post on your talk page & that Bob hadn't responded. That is what kicked this off. I was going to post a response there when I was done. I will go ahead and do that now. I'll post there so it keeps the discussion together for anyone else who sees that section. -- JLaTondre (talk) 12:57, 28 March 2020 (EDT)

The Path of Daggers

I wanted you to know that I deleted the content line that had "del." I replied to your message on my talk page, if you want to see my thought process on the matter. --AndonSage 09:18, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

The Story of the Last Trump

Hi. You verified the 2011 H. G. Wells Complete Short Story Omnibus P338206 containing "The Story of the Last Trump", pp. 730-42. (Stories and sequence evidently match the 1998 Hammond-edited Complete Short Stories of HGW.) Does the omnibus cite 1915 Boon by Reginald Wells as first publication of the story?

When you can, please compare the story with "The Lost Last Trump" by Reginald Bliss in 1915 Century Magazine, pp. 369-78 (no sections). And with Chapter X "The Story of the Last Trump" in Boon pp. 297-342, (sections 1-14). --Pwendt|talk 14:01, 17 May 2020 (EDT)

Sections 2-13 of the book chapter correspond to the US magazine text --with some different punctuation, spelling, and spacing; and many many capital letters not in the magazine. There is some difference in wording --eg, the long paragraph at end section 2, p299 in the book; or "you and me"/"you and I" at p329.
If the Omnibus is something you need to dig out, please hold it out. I will have a few other questions. Thanks. --Pwendt|talk 14:33, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
It will be awhile before I can unearth that one. -- JLaTondre (talk) 15:21, 17 May 2020 (EDT)

Unmerge - Merge vs. Import - Delete

In this submission you rejected my unmerge in favour of an import & removal (which you did for me, thank you. I try to remember to add Note to self:). I haven't been using this approach because of the precarious state it leaves the publication in between edits. Is there a flaw in my reasoning: If I submit the removal first it leaves a NOVEL with no content which may be disallowed or deleted. If I submit the import first, I will have to wait for it to be approved before submitting the removal or I end up in the first scenario. And if I do wait to submit, a NOVEL with two content novels will exist, which may be disallowed / deleted / revised / reported before I get around to the removal (given the workloads of moderators and my schedule, it might be days before I get back to it). ../Doug H 14:36, 22 May 2020 (EDT)

Generally, either way works. If using the import / removal method, make sure to do the import first as you should never leave a pub without a container title. If there is going to be an extended period between edits, than, yes, I agree the unmerge / merge is better. However, even in that case, if it's days, you run the risk of someone merging it back into the original. In this particular case, import / removal was easier as the PG edition had the wrong title. The normal check for duplicates would not have matched the new unmerged short title with the longer correct title for that pub. Importing / removing was easier than having to do an an advanced title search and figuring out the right two to merge. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:32, 22 May 2020 (EDT)
Thanks for the background. I suspect most of the moderators are aware of my Jules Verne mania and would be happy to steer clear for a few days. :-) ../Doug H 19:52, 22 May 2020 (EDT)
Technically, Import and remove can be submitted in parallel - as they do not pick up the complete id list on submission so are not vulnerable to each other changing something. Merge needs to wait an approval of the unmerge but these two are independent. Annie 20:53, 22 May 2020 (EDT)

Capitalization in English reminder

"from" here, "on" here should have been with small letters. I know you know usually - just noticed two very close to each other and decided to bug you after fixing them. :) Annie 18:00, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

Thanks. That's what I get for copy-n-pasting. I totally overlooked those... -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:02, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

Man Who Could Work Miracles

"Cancellation/Rejection Reason: edited existing record instead of cloning new record" [1]
Where is the existing record you edited? --Pwendt|talk 11:32, 8 June 2020 (EDT)

Your moderator note stated your were cloning the 2012 edition. However, you actually edited the 2012 edition instead. This would have replaced the 2012 edition instead of creating a new 2003 edition. You must have clicked "Edit This Pub" instead of "Clone This Pub". Happens occasionally since they are right next to each other. You need to resubmit with an actual clone. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:34, 8 June 2020 (EDT)

Carolyn Gilman - propagation delay?

I see that you approved my 'Carolyn Gilman' -> 'Carolyn Ives Gilman' update, but when I look at the 'Ives' author page, I don't see the short by the 'non-Ives' version. However, I do see the alternate author linkage. Does it take a while for the stories to propagate in, or did I miss a step in my edit? --GlennMcG 15:31, 4 July 2020 (EDT)

Titles need to be manually varianted. It does not happen automatically. Open the Burning Bush title record, click "Make This Title a Variant" on the left menu, and the in Option 2, enter "Carolyn Ives Gilman" as the author and submit. I meant to do it after approving your alternate name submission, but was distracted. I will leave for you so you gain the experience. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 15:40, 4 July 2020 (EDT)

I wondered why some titles were editable. Done. Thanks! --GlennMcG 16:28, 4 July 2020 (EDT)

Night of the Saucers

Re this you approved recently. States ISBN: 009508086 (Bad format) - which I had a feeling might be the case as I wasn't sure it was actually an ISBN number I merely assumed. I don't really know what the number is. --Mavmaramis 19:26, 12 July 2020 (EDT)

Sorry, I meant to remove that. An ISBN would have to be 10 digits. Before ISBN, there was a 9 digit SBN that could be converted to a ISBN by prepending a zero. However, that gives a invalid number as well in this case. So not sure what that number is so best to leave for notes. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:32, 12 July 2020 (EDT)
It's fine. I did put that speculation in the Moderator note and included it in the note. Another Mod has edited the entry so it's all good. --Mavmaramis 10:10, 13 July 2020 (EDT)
That was me, just late. ;-) -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:21, 13 July 2020 (EDT)

Legend of Paldevia

Did you do the variant step for my edit [2]? I attempted to add it as variant to the English 'Legend of Poldevia', but got an error about not allowing nested variants. And then noticed it was linked to the French version. --GlennMcG 20:34, 21 July 2020 (EDT)

Yes, after accepting the pub edit, I varianted the new title to the original French version. The software will not allow variants of variants so if a translation appears under two different titles, they are shown at the same "level". -- JLaTondre (talk) 22:22, 21 July 2020 (EDT)

Mars, Inc.: The Billionaires Club

You accepted the edit [3] for this, but I need a little clarification. The inner title didn't switch. I assume they should match. Add new new inner title, delete old, variant it? Also, I thought I had the 'THE' as lower case, trying to match the caps rules, but see it as upper. Maybe I only thought I did it. Or you changed it? I think it looks better capped, anyways. --GlennMcG 16:09, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

For the capitalization, we don't lowercase after a period or colon. We basically follow sentence case. For the subtitle, that's an odd one as there really isn't a standard. We will sometimes break them out as a separate title and sometimes keep them merged together under the non-subtitled version. I see you have this pending edit. Do you want to break it out separately? If so, it would probably be easier to do by unmerging the title record. Let me know if you want to break it out & I can do that. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:46, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

I had thought that the inner and outer titles had to match for novels, but I'm not wedded to the idea. Please pick the most appropriate for this case. :) But, if I had wanted to change a novel's outer and inner titles (as one), what steps should I have taken (from the beginning)? --GlennMcG 17:18, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

I lean towards having them match and that's generally how we have them. But there are cases where we don't because others feel there is no need for separation. You will find that we have some things that we're pretty stringent on and some others that the community has different opinions and we live with the ambiguity. For how I would separate these, I find it easier to do it at the title level.
  1. Go to the novel title record
  2. Click "Unmerge Titles" on the left menu
  3. Select your publication & submit
  4. Once accepted, I believe it will create a new record with the name matching the pub (the software operates slightly differently in different scenarios, but believe this is one where it will autocreate the "right" title; if not it would need to be edited after)
  5. Variant the new record to the original
There is nothing wrong doing it at pub level. As I said, having the record match the pub is more often the case than not. I can accept your pending edit or you can try the title approach if you want. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:25, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

Unmerged in title. --GlennMcG 18:33, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

Oh, and I was curious about steps before your first, as when I first discovered the publication I was PVing didn't match the name I saw on the title page. (and cover). --GlennMcG 19:29, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

Approved. Now there is the new Mars, Inc.: The Billionaire's Club which needs to be varianted to the existing Mars, Inc.. I'll leave that to you so you can do the whole thing. ;-) -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:24, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

Varianted --GlennMcG 21:49, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

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