Suzuki's Dark Water
I've just cloned from your verified pub Dark Water to create contents for the hc edition from the same publisher, and found the page numbering to be off by 2 pages from the story 'Dream Cruise' onwards. I used the page number for the stories' titles as they appear in the Contents (as you did also for the stories before 'Dream Cruise'), with the story itself appearing two pages later, so you might wish to check your verified pb copy for consistency of page numbering. And Happy New Year! PeteYoung 07:56, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
- Contents pages should not be used in determining title, author credit, or page numbering for any contents. In fact, an ISFDB editor should avoid even looking at a contents page at all unless they want to mention it when the data as given on the page is incorrect. Mhhutchins 06:34, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
- I'm aware of that, of course, as I'm sure MLB is, however in this publication (at least, my hc) the title appears two pages before the story, as reflected in the Contents. I'm just pointing out that if the galleys used for printing the pb were in fact the same as for the hc (it's the same publisher), there may be some differences in page numbering to what's presently recorded for some stories in the pb edition. PeteYoung 06:54, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
- When you said "I used the page number for the stories' titles as they appear in the Contents", I assumed you meant the Table of Contents or the Contents page. I wanted MLB to be aware that that is not the standard in paging the contents of ISFDB records, in case he made the same assumption. So more properly, an editor uses the page numbers of the title pages as they appeared within the book, even if the text of the story begins on another page. Mhhutchins 09:53, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
- I’m sorry to cause so much consternation about this. According to my copy of the paperback, the Table of Contents gives the page number that I have listed, this is the page number of the title page, then there is a blank page on the opposite side, then the story proper starts a page after that. I listed in my entry the page number of the original title page, which is the Contents Page numbering. So, my entry goes: title page-blank page-story. If there is a flaw in my listing I will correct them. And double checking the page numbers I have found that the story "Adrift" has an extra blank page after it, which might throw off the page count of the hardcover.
- I probably should have mentioned in the notes that there is an American translation of the Japanese manga version of these stories, which have been considerable rewritten for the manga edition.
- And a Happy New Year to all too. And I hope your Xmas was better than mine. I ***whine-whine*** hate ERs . MLB 22:48, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Chicks Kick Butt
G-8 and His Battle Aces: Claws of the Sky Monster
Is this publication a facsimile reprint of the entire issue or is it just the lead novel? If the former, I'll accept the submission to change the title to "G-8 and His Battle Aces, October 1935". If the latter, I'll have to reject the submission, and the record should be changed from ANTHOLOGY to NOVEL. Mhhutchins 21:12, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
- From what I can gather after looking at the magazines that have been entered, not by me, on this site, these facsimiles reprint the novel, the short stories, and the feature "G-8 Speaks" (sometimes), although this feature has also sometimes been edited, I think. The only thing missing is most of the advertisements. This pulp seemed, like many pulps, to have shrunk in size during its lifetime. There are more and more ads in the later facsimile issues, and the G-8 feature seems to have become edit free. Like many others, I just bought these and read them without closely examining them, it’s only now that I’m entering them into this database that I’m starting to notice inconsistencies in the early facsimiles and the later ones. I didn’t list the non-genre short stories in the database, and only mentioned them in the Note field. There is one genre novel and at least one non-genre short story in every facsimile that I have, of which there are forty-three so far. Only somebody with a run of the original pulp magazines can tell just how much, if anything, other than the ads have been edited out. Until then, and since Robert Hogan is reputed to have written everything, novel, short stories, and features, and since these don’t seem to be total magazine reprints (most ads are missing) I listed them as COLLECTIONS until somebody with the magazines can compare them. MLB 08:55, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
- I accepted the submission, but I remain uneasy about how these pulp reprints from Adventure House are being handled. Were you aware that there is another record in the database for the same publication for which you also created a (more complete) record? I'm not blaming you for not knowing the other record exists, because none of the publications from this publisher is being entered consistently. But since I couldn't care less about the work being published, I'm not going to waste anymore time trying to get them into better shape. I'll leave that to editors who have more interest in the stuff. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:09, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
- What is needed is some hard and fast rules about facsimile reprints, but that is above my pay grade. I will delete the other record. MLB 23:37, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
Cover image for Cemetery Dance #68
Please delete this file and upload the image from the publication record using the "Upload New Cover Scan" link. This is the only way to 1) create a unique file name, 2) link the file's wiki page to the pub record, and 3) add the required license tag to the image without having to do all three of these manually. Follow this list in the order given when you want to add a cover image to a publication record which you've entered into the database:
- Create a new publication record
- Once the submission has been accepted, go to the publication record and click on "Upload Cover Scan" link
- Follow the directions to upload the cover image file
- Go back to the publication record and enter the URL of the cover image file into the Image URL field.
Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:58, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
- I see you corrected the error by uploading the image using the proper method. All you need to do now is delete the first file you uploaded. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:10, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
- A question: why did you upload the same image twenty minutes after uploading it the first time? (Look at the file history at the bottom of the wiki page.) Mhhutchins 22:17, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I didn't know that this file still existed. How do you delete it? As for downloading the same file twice, I'm embarrassed, I couldn’t remember if I had downloaded it right the second time, so I just did it again. MLB 07:23, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry, I forgot that only moderators can delete files. If you discover you've uploaded a file incorrectly or in duplicate, please post a request on the Moderator Noticeboard, and a moderator will be able to delete it. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:15, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
I took the information about the two content titles from your note to the moderator and put them into Haunted America's publication notes. It seemed worth preserving. --MartyD 12:45, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Solaris Rising: The New Solaris Book of Science Fiction
Can you confirm the publication date of this record? The series number would place it in 2008, and Amazon gives the publication date as February 2008. Thanks for looking. Mhhutchins 01:51, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
- You're right. What I must have done is conflated the copyright date (2007) with the publication date (2008). I'll change it immediately. MLB 09:52, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for correcting those. There wasn't a need to correct the titles also via the title editor: if you are able to correct the titles of content items in the publication the titles are automatically corrected (because they are the titles that are listed there).
You won't be able to correct them in the publication if they were published somewhere else also: then you are only able to change them with the title editor (it took time for me, too, till I understood that). Stonecreek 15:52, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry. Mistake corrected. MLB 01:30, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Wolves of the Calla
- Thanx. I just copied what was on the title page. Sorry. MLB 07:31, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Realms of Fantasy
- This was a typo. I accidently hit the "Enter" key before I could proofread my copy and add the notes that I had written on a separate word document that I was going to cut and paste on this entry. Will finish it now. MLB 09:10, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
If you want to change a publication's type, you also need to change the title record's type to match. In a situation where the title record is shared with many publications, such as you had with The Rising: Selected Scenes from the End of the World, you need to unmerge the publication's instance (go to the title record and pick "Unmerge Titles", then select the target publication out of that list). It's easiest -- and clearest -- if you do that unmerge first, then submit the type change(s). Just something to keep in mind for the future. I fixed this one up. --MartyD 12:50, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
One other thing: is the "Afterward" in the notes correct? Also, I returned the link to the Amazon image, until you're able to link your own scan. Mhhutchins 18:58, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
Archiving your talk page
Your talk page is becoming increasingly larger, making it longer to load for users with limited download speed. Would you mind if I archived the older messages? All will be preserved on a separate page. For example see my archives here. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:00, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, I see now that you've already started an archive. Do you suppose it's time to move another set of messages over? Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:01, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- Actually, you did the first one, I'm just going to follow your directions and I hope that I'll get it right. MLB 09:47, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks! I'm one of the affected users, my internet connection dropped by about 90% when I last moved. :-( BLongley 10:58, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
(The Ironclad Prophecy)
Yes, I know. I'll correct it when it is approved. MLB 12:22, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- :-) Approved, and I fixed it. Thanks for the anticipation. --MartyD 12:29, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you. MLB 12:37, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
I changed the publisher on The Dragonling from "Minstrel / Pocket" to "Minstrel / Pocket Books", because we already had many entries for the latter and none for the former. Keeping down the publisher name clutter....
I also noticed in that the final p. 57 entry is recorded as a novella, by the artist. Should that be INTERIORART? If it really were a novella, we would not use CHAPTERBOOK, as the publication would contain two works. We'd have to go with ANTHOLOGY. --MartyD 12:28, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
- Making correction now. MLB 07:14, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Frankenstein cover artist
Would you double-check the artist's name on Frankenstein for S"t"eward vs. Seward? Our Treasure Island record in the same series credits "Seward", which comes from Amazon. I found that corroborated on JacketFlap, but that may just be propagating Amazon's info. I have to imagine they're both by the same Jim S. Thanks. --MartyD 12:59, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, it's Seward. Sorry. MLB 13:25, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Frank DeFelitta's A Swift Death to Critics
Hello, I have put your submission on hold. What's your intent on adding this NONGENRE by an unknown (to ISFDB) author? Was it perhaps a mistake in denominating? Stonecreek 14:48, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
- Frank DeFelitta is a variant of Frank De Felitta who has turned out several major novels of the supernatural, and which have been turned into movies. This is I think, his last published novel. MLB 14:53, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, I'll approve of your submission. Stonecreek 15:04, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Secondary source credits and Friend or Foe?
I accepted your various Friend or Foe? submissions and made some minor changes:
- For the first printing's artist credit, supplying it from another printing is considered a secondary source, so when doing something like that, you should add a note to the publication (even if there's a very strong likelihood the attribution will have been done the same way, as long as you don't know it for a fact). I did this. You never know when it might keep someone from wondering....
- I changed "Or" to "or" everywhere. I don't know why "and" is on the list of things to be put in lower case and "or" is not. I will have to ask. If I take flame damage, I'll put it back. :-)
- I also added the question mark to the main title record.
Thanks. --MartyD 12:22, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you. MLB 12:28, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Issue numbers in magazine titles
Doing so is counterintuitive, but if you put the issue number in a magazine title AFTER the comma, e.g., The Magazine of Bizarro Fiction, #6 Summer 2012, the issue number will then show up in the grid display. See, for example, Interzone. --MartyD 11:44, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
- Yes I mispelled Mellick's name again! I will correct later. MLB 12:15, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Carlton or Carleton
- Yes, and I don't know why. I know I can't spell, but really! Perhaps a two x four across the back of the head would help. Must be some primal, subconscious form of literary envy in which I keep trying to sabotage his career in this incredibly petty manner. Either that or I’m a dolt. I’ll fix them immediately. MLB 08:22, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Tales of Mystery and Terror by Poe
What is your source for the data in the submission to add this title? Mhhutchins 17:35, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
- The book itself, I have it right here, I even have a cover scan. MLB 07:59, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Letting the moderator know that would really help save a lot of time and research... I'll accept it and let you add notes about the abridgment/adaptation of the stories. Mhhutchins 17:42, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- I accepted the submission to update this record, but make a few changes. I removed the ISBN from the ISBN field (because it isn't present in the book itself) and recorded it in the Note field. I also simplified the Amazon links and then linked the ISFDB record to the Amazon pages. Mhhutchins 17:10, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
I believe I have this publication, but there are a couple of differences with your verification:
- The publisher is listed as "Games Workshop", but the title page has "Black Library"
- The notes state "Artist is uncredited", but the copyright page has "Cover illustration by Stefan Kopinski" under the number line
- I honestly don't know why I put Games Workshop down instead of Black Library. I think I originally cloned this entry, then added the anthology's contents, and I just took the original enterer's word for the artist's name. I must have missed Kopinski's name at the time, which is where you say it is . Sorry. I got the series titles from the introductory paragraphs to each story. While I have read several Warhammer books, I'm not an expert, please feel free to correct any of these series if you are more familiar with these stories. I'll correct the publisher and eliminate and re-write the note immediately. MLB 08:30, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Games Workshop owns Black Library. Amazon usually lists the publisher as Games Workshop so the cloned publication could have been imported that way and later changed. I tweaked / expanded the notes and added a cover scan. The series were fine with me (not a Warhammer expert either), except "Regicide" which I moved from "Gaunt's Ghost" to "Sabbat Worlds Crusade". Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 22:28, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
G-8 and His Battle Aces, September 1935
FYI, I have changed "G-8 Speaks (-8 and His Battle Aces, September 1935 )" to "G-8 Speaks (G-8 and His Battle Aces, September 1935)" in your verified G-8 and His Battle Aces, September 1935 reprint anthology. Ahasuerus 06:41, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you. MLB
"Vultures of the Purple Death (Complete Novel)"
- Ditto with "Patrol of the Cloud Crusher (Complete Novel)". Ahasuerus 06:55, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
- Ditto with "The Wings of Satan (Complete Novel)". Also changed "(Complet Novel)" to "(Complete Novel)". Ahasuerus 06:57, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you again. MLB 09:22, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
G-8 and His Battle Aces, April 1934
Your submission would make G-8 and His Battle Aces, April 1934 a part of the "Adventure House Facsimile Reprints" super-series. Did you mean to add it to the "G-8 and His Battle Aces: Adventure House Reprints" series instead? Ahasuerus 06:48, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
- Yes. I hope I have corrected this now. MLB 09:25, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
- Looks good, thanks! Ahasuerus 17:26, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
"G-8 Speaks" in G-8 and His Battle Aces, April 1934
Your submission would have added this "G-8 Speaks" essay to the "G-8 Speaks" series. However, this essay is now a variant of this title by Robert J. Hogan, so I added the parent title to the series and rejected the original submission. Ahasuerus 06:52, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
- P.S. There are 4 essays in the "G-8 Speaks" series whose titles are plain "G-8 Speaks" without a disambiguating suffix. Is that by design or do you plan to add parenthetical suffixes later? Ahasuerus 07:22, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
- I have disambiguated the "G-8 Speaks" column. Thank you for pointing this out to me. MLB 10:28, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
SpringLondon vs Spring London
Hi, you verified Vegas Knights, giving SpringLondon as cover artist. Are you aware of Spring London, the cover artist for this edition? In fact you can find more work for Spring London here, plus a link to their website.--Dirk P Broer 10:54, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
- Well, the Spring London entry has been corrected and the site checked out. So these are the people who designed the Angry Robot icon, eh? Nicto barrato. MLB 12:55, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
The note you added about the "series" in this record is incongruous with the definition of a "publication series". If Nocturne were a title series, maybe. But it's not. Mhhutchins 20:41, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
- I have revised that note to make my meaning more clear. I hope I did it right this time, if not I can just eliminate the note altogether. I have the first two in Anna's series right here, although I will concede the point that this note may be irrelevant. BTW, these books are copyrighted by Tawny Stokes, which is a name I think better fits these novels than her pseudonym. MLB 20:56, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
- Since your note about the series was immediately after the note about Nocturne, I assume you were talking about the publication series and not the title series, Nevertheless, the note you added is title specific, not publication specific. It should have been added to the title record. I'll do that for you. Mhhutchins 21:01, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you. MLB 21:19, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Last Stand on Zombie Island
I'm not sure how this would be eligible for the database. Your description makes it clear that it's a collection of mystery stories and I don't recognize the author. If Radnor were "above the threshold" the pub record without contents might be eligible, but I personally don't believe he is. What is your argument for including it? (Keep in mind that the NONGENRE category is restricted to NOVELs and no other type.) Mhhutchins 21:16, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- NONGENRE being limited to NOVEL is not what the Rules of Acquisition policy states. It also isn't what is followed in practice as I've run across plenty of non-fiction & collection non-genre works in the database. -- JLaTondre (talk) 21:37, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- Please read this discussion when you get a chance. I can assure you that the current software can not handle NONGENRE collections, shortfiction, anthologies, etc. And all nonfiction is entered as NONFICTION regardless of its genre. If you disagree, start a new discussion on the Rules & Standards page. It should not be disputed on this user's talk page. Mhhutchins 21:57, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- That conversation is about short-fiction and the suggested changes in that discussion never made it into the actual policy. I know the software has issues with non-genre collections and anthologies, but as written (either in the actual policy or the suggested changes in that discussion), non-genre collections are allowed, just not their content records. I'll go ahead and start a post at the Rules & Standards page, but I'm not the one that is disputing policy. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:34, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- I'm also not "disputing policy". I'm disputing your using this user's page to confront me when I have a working talk page. Mhhutchins 23:51, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
- Alan Radnor wrote nine books of fiction, most under the name of Richard Lewis so I listed this, the last book of his that I've read, and I've read all them under either the Radnor or Lewis names. There are reviews of all of his books on Amazon. I was unfamiliar with the fact that a collection could not be listed as non-genre. I can re-do everything if so desired. I’m sorry that this is causing a rift, and I’m also sorry that I took so long to get back to you, some pipes burst in our attic up here during the snowstorm. I didn’t list this book lightly, but I thought that eight horror novels would have allowed this book to be entered on this site. Perhaps I just entered it wrongly. I can fix that. MLB 22:10, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
- As I said above, even if someone believes that Radnor is above the threshold (I personally don't), only the pub record is allowed into the database, and not content records for 11 mystery SHORTFICTION pieces. In the previous discussion to which I linked above, it was suggested and agreed upon, but not documented, that "non-genre short fiction is currently on hold until software support for such works has been implemented." (a direct quote from the ISFDB sysop.) I have removed my hold on the submission, and will let another moderator handle it. I don't need the headache. Mhhutchins 03:26, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
- So, now I know the rules. I can cancel this and just enter the basic information, or just cancel this entry. Eight supernatural, horror, and horror-sf novels sounds like a substantial contribution to the speculative fiction field to me, but I’ll bow to whatever the decision is ultimately made. MLB 08:58, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
I corrected the spelling of the month within the magazine title parenthetical for:
- Letter (Startling Stories, Septermber 1940): Manly's Masterpiece
- Letter (Startling Stories, Septermber 1940): Readers Pick 'Em From Now On!
- Review of the Science Fiction Fan Publications (Startling Stories, Septermber 1940)
- Ouch! MLB 16:11, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
This author doesn't appear to meet the ISFDB's threshold for inclusion. My inclination is to reject it. If you disagree we can bring it up on the Rules and Standards board. Thanks!Kraang 00:04, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
- Okay. Perhaps I listed this book in wrongly, that can be fixed, but what is the ratio of books with specualtive content that are listed per the books without? As Richard Lewis, Alan Radnor has published eight horror/supernatural novels, and they are listed on this site. Some othe these have been published under both the Richard Lewis and the Radnor name. I would later have merged the Radnor book with those under the Lewis name. Still, how much of one should be noted by a contributer to list one of the other? An example of going overboard with the non-genre entries would be someone like Nora Roberts. MLB 16:17, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
What's a Ghoul to Do?
This cover image was uploaded under the publication record for the Signet paperback. So it was entered into the database as the cover for that edition. Click on the link "Signet / New American Library 2007 pb" and you'll see it goes back to that record and not the actual record (the one you created after uploading this image.) As I've instructed many times in the past: you can not upload a cover image until there is a publication record for it in the database. Only then can you use the "Upload cover scan" link for that record. Using the link from another publication record makes the wrong connection between the cover image and the publication record. It assigns a file name that matches the tag of that publication record, it links it to that record, and it assigns that image into the category for the attributed artist. Luckily in this case, both records had uncredited cover art. I will have to reassign all of the data attached to this image file (after you've read and responded to this message). So please remember in the future: create the publication record first, and then upload the cover image for that publication after that record has been accepted into the database. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:43, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
- It won't happen again. MLB 18:19, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
I accepted your submission of Abel's Island, but I changed the publisher from "Square Fish / Farrar, Straus and Giroux" to "Square Fish / Farrar Straus Giroux", matching your other verified publication. If you think the more punctuated form is better, you (or I) can modify the publisher record and have both reflect the updated name. --MartyD 13:35, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
- No it's "Square Fish / Farrar, Straus and Giroux". This is my mistake, I'll fix it. MLB 23:13, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
- You left out the "and" in both of your fixes. I've added it to the records. Mhhutchins 00:19, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Could you please double check the ISBNs on these verified publications?
- Fira and the Full Moon: 0-978-0-7364-2417-2 = 14 characters, believe first 0 should not be present
- Zombie Galaxy: Outbreak: 978-1-4755297195 = 14 characters, extra character?
- Satan's Child: 0-583-11152-1-2: 11 characters, says "ISBN derived from the catalog number", but believe trailing 2 doesn't belong per Amazon UK
- The Fangs of Morning / The Alchemist: 0-8314800199-3 = 12 characters, missing a character or two too many?
If you wouldn't mind checking these and either correcting the ISBNs or, if they are on the publication as shown, adding notes that the errors are in the publication and not the data entry, it would be appreciated. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:39, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
- The ISBN of Zombie Galaxy: Outbreak is 9781475297195. It looks like I typed the middle five twice. Sorry. Will fix it immediately.
- About Satan’s Child by Peter Saxon. This was an early posting by me, and I was reluctant to change anything then that had been posted by other people. The comment “ISBN derived from the catalog number 583-11152-1-2” was put there by the original poster of this entry. I would delete this now. I will update this entry immediately; however the ISBN on the front cover & spine is 583-11152-1-2. There is no zero beginning this ISBN. If you check the upper left-hand corner of the image that I posted you will find that there is indeed a two at the end of the ISBN. The copyright page clearly states that this book is printed in Great Britain. MLB 12:25, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
- It's still not a valid ISBN. I've entered a "#" to indicate it's a catalog number and to avoid the "Bad Checksum" warning. Mhhutchins 17:08, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
- I have no proof, but a lot of experience with such. "0583111521" seems to be the working derived ISBN. If you find a British catalogue number that's 9 digits long, it will probably be safe to add a leading zero. (But CHECK that it works, and state the derivation.) Some publishers seem to add another digit at the end, usually after a dash. This isn't part of the SBN and can usually be dropped - like deriving ISBNs for US publications where the price is coded on to the end of the catalogue number. I think it probably indicates a printing number, or maybe an edition number, but I'm not an expert on such, I've just mucked around with invalid (I)SBNs for a few years now and learnt a few tricks. By the way, have I mentioned how much I love my new bar-code scanner? Now my eyesight is getting even worse, it's nice to let a piece of technology read the small print for me! BLongley 08:45, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
- About Fira and the Full Moon. This is embarrassing. I gave this book away at Christmas and I no longer have it. I always planned on giving it away, and I don’t recall why I would have Primary Verified it. I should have Transient Verified it. I can either lift the ISBN from Amazon and then Transient Verify it, or take the ISBN off it and remove my name entirely. I must apologize for this mess, I just don’t understand why I made this mistake. MLB 12:25, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
- Just removing the first "0" fixed it. Please move the verification to transient when you get a chance. Mhhutchins 21:08, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
- About The Fangs of Morning / The Alchemist. This book was floating around here for months until I cleaned up and packed some stuff away. I’ve torn this place apart and I still can’t find it. I’m sure it will turn up, See Fira and the Full Moon for what I can do about this until the book shows up. I’d like to continue contributing, but I wonder if I should until this book shows up. MLB 12:25, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
- I've made myself a transient verifier for the two books in question. When my copy of the The Fangs of Morning / The Alchemist turns up I'll check up the sticker, maybe it was just an inventory sticker. MLB 19:19, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Audiobook of Song of Susannah
All Hallows' Eve
Can you see if the publisher is given as both "Graphia" and "Houghton Mifflin Harcourt" on the title page of this book? All other records by this publisher are just entered as "Graphia", and I wanted to see if your title is different from the rest. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 07:33, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
- The title page states that this is a Graphia book, with that imprint title in a box, and underneath that box there is "Houghton Mifflin Harcourt", which is why I listed this book this way. I could be wrong. MLB 07:56, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
- No, that was right way to enter it. That's why I asked. Mhhutchins 08:04, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
It was unnecessary to add a new content record and delete the old one just to change the length designation. Just go to the title record and update it there. Now you'll have to remove the old record, then merge it with the one you just created. A lot of submissions and moderations when only one was needed. Your note about "just delete it" concerning the change of length in the submission updating the publication record just doesn't work. A moderator can not pick and choose which parts of a submission we like. We can only accept all of it or reject all of it. Mhhutchins 07:59, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry, Now I know. MLB 08:09, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Since you changed the title reference for this publication to SHORTFICTION, you'll have to go back and add a CHAPTERBOOK title record. In the future, when converting a NOVEL into a CHAPTERBOOK, change the NOVEL record to CHAPTERBOOK, and add a SHORTFICTION record as a content to the publication record. Mhhutchins 08:18, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Audio recording of Hunters of Dune
Why did you enter this record under the Dutch title? You'll have to unmerge it and then merge it with the English title. Also, is the publisher given as "Audio Renaissance / Tor"? This form makes it appear that Audio Renaissance is an imprint of Tor, and it's not. Audio publishers ordinarily acknowledge from whom they license the work, but that doesn't make the original publisher the publisher of the audio recording. Mhhutchins 17:36, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Also, are you certain that this has an ISBN-13? Most publishers were still using the ISBN-10 in 2006. Your copy may be a later printing. The ISBN range you've given does not belong to Audio Renaissance (their publications from 2004-2006 have the ISBN 1-55927-XXX-X). According to the OCLC record, the publisher is Books on Tape. Is Audio Renaissance credited on both the CDs and the box? Perhaps the library not only "butchered" them but mixed up the CDs. And have you checked to see if it is complete with 16 CDs and not the 17 as mentioned in the OCLC record? Mhhutchins 17:43, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
- 1.) I cloned it from a Dutch title, I didn't think that it would show up as a Dutch record. Excuse me while I go kick myself.
- 2.) Okay, I didn't know that about audio publishers. The disc states that this is "An AUDIO RENAISSANCE Audiobook from TOR BOOKS." Capitalization theirs. Based on this I assumed, and you know what they say about assuming, that Audio Renaissance had something to do with Tor Books.
- 3.) I got the ISBN-13 from Amazon.com. Really, I was working from a butchered library edition, and mentioned in my notes that some of the data was lifted from Amazon. Yes, there are all sixteen discs, no more, and it IS an Audio Renaissance edition. Almost all of this is news to me. I must confess to being a philistene. I listen to music, not books on tape/disc. I prefer dead tree versions of books. MLB 09:34, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
- I unmerged them and it seems that the Dutch file has disappeared. Now what? I know that this wasn't the supposed result. MLB 23:20, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
- Oh, I see. I think I fixed it. Unmerging eliminated it from the series, I think that I got it right this time. MLB 23:25, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
- Once unmmerged from the Dutch title, it should have been merged to the English title. I'll do that for you. I'm going to remove "Tor" from the publisher field. Feel free to add it to the notes. I'm also going to change the ISBN to the ISBN-10. Mhhutchins 02:16, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
- BTW, you should note which information came from Amazon and which came from the recording itself. As I said above Amazon gives the publisher as Books on Tape, and doesn't have the price, etc. What data is from the box (or CD) and what data had to come from a secondary source? Mhhutchins 02:22, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
- If you're going to link in a database record's Note field, you have to use HTML. Wiki linking doesn't work there. But if you give the OCLC record as your source (whether you link it or not), you can add that record's ISBN to the ISFDB record's ISBN field, which will then automatically link the ISFDB record to the OCLC record. Mhhutchins 23:11, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
- Actually I was just copying yours and hoping that it would work. I've never used the OCLC records at all. MLB 10:18, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
- Since most of your submissions are for records based on the primary source, you don't need to use OCLC. But if you're ever needing a secondary source, I think it's among the best out there. I see you've chosen not to link the OCLC record, nor to enter the ISBN into the record. Both provide some valuable information that corroborates your claim about the number of discs. Since you've chosen not to do a primary verification of the record, I'll update it from a reliable secondary source. Mhhutchins 16:42, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Carnacki: Heaven and Hell
You should give the source for the contents you added to this record. As it is now, a user would think "Data from Amazon" applies to the whole record. (I'm assuming you don't have a copy of this because you didn't say that in your submission.) Mhhutchins 17:46, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
- Actually, I DO have a paperback copy of this book, and I intend to add to my record after the imported contents are accepted. MLB 09:19, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
When you merge fiction titles, and if the story is in English, please choose to keep that as part the merged title record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:51, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
- Now I know. MLB 09:35, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Acknowlegments (Brave New Love: 15 Dystopian Tales of Desire)
Please see Acknowlegments (Brave New Love: 15 Dystopian Tales of Desire). This is a dangling title entry without a publication. From your notes to Brave New Love: 15 Dystopian Tales of Desire, it sounds like you meant to add it there? If you did, I would recommend deleting the existing title record and adding a new title record to the publication. Adding it will cause a new record to be created and the current record misspells "Acknowledgments" (if that was intentional based on the publication, then a note should be added to the new record). -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
- Okay, here are the facts: I don't know. I listed the acknowledgements in the note to signify that this anthology was filled with stories that are seeing their first printing in this anthology. How Acknowlegments (Brave New Love: 15 Dystopian Tales of Desire) got created is beyond me. I didn’t even know it was there until you mentioned it. If I did it, then I must have done it by accident because I couldn’t do it again if I had to, although ***sigh**** that does look like my incompetent spelling. I’ll correct the spelling in the note field, and eliminate the record.
- No problem. It is possible that it was there and you removed it. If you did, removing a title from a pub doesn't delete it. You still have to delete the title record (assuming it shouldn't exist) after it's been removed. Or it's just one of things that sometimes occurs. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:36, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
High Adventure #94
- So I see that you've noticed my notoriously bad spelling. Thanks for the edit. MLB 10:20, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
"The Walking Dead"
I changed the publisher of your verified publication from "Titan" (which is a book publisher) to "Titan Magazines", which is the branch of Titan Entertainment that actually published this. Chavey 20:55, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks, I was unsure about this. MLB 08:40, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Chart of Darkness
This is incorrectly typed as a CHAPTERBOOK, which is defined for ISFDB purposes as a "separate publication of a single work of short fiction". This publication record (and its title record) should be changed to NONFICTION. Thanks. Mhhutchins 01:42, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
- Done. MLB 08:41, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
- The publication record, yes, but not the title record. I'll do it. Mhhutchins 18:51, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
The Monster-Maker cover artist
Is Jason Chow the right cover artist credit in The Monster-Maker and Other Science Fiction Classics? From your notes, it sounds like he's the designer and Nicholas Belton is the artist. --MartyD 11:17, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
- It's up to you. That cover looks to me more like one artist's work that happens to use some other people's photographs (if that's really what's going on there) than a true montage, so my reading of the notes is then in that light: Belton is the artist. If it looks like a montage to you, crediting the designer is fine. --MartyD 03:07, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
- The Ben Bova cover you inquired about didn't credit an artist, just a designer and a photographer. That's a big difference. A credited artist trumps a credited designer. Mhhutchins 06:44, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
The Burroughs Bulletin (New Series) #71, Summer 2007
If this entry is accepted then you know I made a mistake. I accidently hit the "Enter" button. I still need to enter several short articles and bits of artwork. If accepted, I will then do that. MLB 02:52, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
- There's no point in leaving a post like this on your own page. If you wanted to bring this to the attention of the moderators then you should have posted it on the ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard. The only reason I noticed it was because I came here to ask you about the submission which I accepted (here). First, it wasn't sourced, so I'm assuming you have a copy. Second, there's no such Burroughs novel, so please check the review on page 3. Please proceed to update it with the previously missed contents, and let the moderator know if you're working from the magazine itself (in the "Note to Moderator" field) or give the source for your data (in the "Note" field.) BTW, you can always check to see if your submission has been submitted. Click on the "My Pending Edits" link on the front page (and most other pages) of the database to see if you have any submissions in the queue. Mhhutchins 06:39, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Realms of Fantasy, February 2010
Please check the page numbers of the stories in this issue. A story starts on the page of the piece which illustrates it if the piece appears before its first page. According to the help page: "Interior art as the first page of a story. If a magazine presents a story with artwork on the first page, but no text from the story, that page should still be counted as the first page unless there is no title, author's name, or other direct evidence that the artwork is part of the presentation of the story." (I believe I may have brought this to your attention before.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 06:28, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
- Is it "Callego" or "Gallego"? Mhhutchins 19:17, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
- I changed the review on page 12 of the book about role-players into an ESSAY. Also, please do a primary verification of the record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:18, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
- In response to your mentioning about interior art, yes, you have pointed this out to me. However, since the story starts on the same page that is mentioned on the contents page, and since the art is printed on the previous page, I could have either listed the story as starting on the same page as the art, and then put a note in the Note field that the contents page was wrong, or list the story as starting on the listed page and the art on the previous page. Then I could have put a note in that the contents page was wrong . . . uh . . . oh, okay, the contents page is wrong no matter how you look at it. Okay, I’ll change the page numbers. And yes, it’s Gallego. I need new glasses. MLB 06:43, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Dark Discoveries #18
- I think what happened is that somebody had done about half the work and I filled in the rest. I should have double-checked, sorry. (Poem) is not part of the title, this is only found on the contents page. I have corrected this mistake, and I found that one of the two book reviews now had an entry and I have linked that review to its parent. MLB 08:49, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
- Honestly? I don't know. I don't own it, and this site does not have a picture to compare with the picture that accompanies the review. It probably is, but the accompaning ISBN listed with the review is 1-934267-13-9, the publishing date listed in the review is May 2011, and the price listed in the review is $55.00. Minor differences to be sure, but I just don't have this book and I wouldn't swear to it. I like Bradbury, but I wasn't going to pay $55.00 for a published screenplay. MLB 08:04, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
- According to the Rules: If the title of the book being reviewed is given incorrectly in the publication, you should change the title field of the review record, and then add in the Note field how the publication gives the reviewed title. Then link the review record to the proper title record. (You don't have to own the book to know if a review mistakenly gives the title of the book being reviewed. It's just a matter of googling to find a similar title. That's what I did.) Mhhutchins 17:12, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm holding a submission to add an issue of this non-genre magazine because you say in the Note field that "Only material with a possible speculative contents is listed." That's not the standard: Only stories which are speculative fiction contents are included in the record. Is this true of the contents you've listed in the submission? Mhhutchins 04:23, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
- "Remember, this was the time of the Shudder pulps and the supernatural often crossed over into other genres. So:
- •"Puppets of the Murder Master" the blurb reads "From Persia's mystic minarets to Gothan's gleaning spires he came--sorcer from the past! When Hassan raised his bloody claws, strong men and lovely women fell beneath his fearful spell." Looks to have myticism and hypnotism as its core plot. The contents page lists this under a banner that reads "A Complete Supernatural Mystery-Detective Novel".
- •"Satan's Slave-Girdle" by Weird Tales regular Greye La Spins. Blurb: "At the midnight hour it came--a ghoul from the grave. And he who wore the gleaming girdle must follow . . . ". The accompaning illustration shows a woman in battle with a mad dog and a spectral figure in her bedroom window who are attacking her.
- •"The Man Who Died Twice" by Joel Martin Nichols, Jr. Looks to be a post-world war I mystery thriller, but the illustration shows people firing upon a ghost that is rising from an open grave. The blurb on the contents page reads in part ". . . a ghost-hand reaches from a watery grave to write this strange, weird story." "Weird" was usually a code word for the supernatural in most of the pulps that I have read.
- This is why I said "possibly". As a fan of pulp fiction, I plan on reading this reprint sometime in the near future. But, how many books have you planned on reading only to have something else take preeminence over your time. I leave it all in your hands. MLB 08:33, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
- I've accepted the submission and added the note: "Only stories with possible borderline speculative contents are listed. Primary Verifier will eventually confirm if any should be removed from the record and deleted from the database." Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:02, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Series names in titles
I accepted your various "Afrikorps" changes, but I figured I would mention this so you're aware of it. The master TITLE record does not have to match the publication's Title. That is a benefit of having the two be separate. There are competing schools of thought about including the series label used by the publication in the master title record as well. One school of thought is that it's better to omit the series label from the master title record, since the title will be put into the appropriate series, making the label redundant (see, for example, how Afrikorps now looks). Another consideration is that if the work were published without the series label (e.g., just "Iron Horse"), would we really want to make a variant title for it? The consensus answer for that is "no". To my knowledge, there is no official standard, and we are not consistent. And if there are no publications that omit the series label from the title, it doesn't really matter one way or the other. --MartyD 11:46, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
- I don't like it myself, it looks redundant and cluttered, but I keep being told to put everything that is on the title page in my entry. From now on I'll leave the master title off my records. MLB 12:29, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
- If you're using the "Add New..." function, you should still give the publication title exactly as it appears on the title page. Then go back and update the title record to create a "canonical" title. Mhhutchins 17:06, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Cooney's Vampire's Promise
The series you entered as Cooney's Vampire Trilogy was already present as "Vampire's Promise". It had been created based on latter publications which changed the titles of the three publications. I varianted those latter publications to the earlier ones, removed the series from the variants, and then changed the series for the original publications to "Vampire's Promise". If that explanation isn't clear, let me know. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 12:56, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
- I think you're loosing it, because I totally understood it. Thanks. :) MLB 13:02, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
- When I entered my note I should have added that I got the information from the acknowledgment page of Kissing Carrion which listed this story as being “copywrited 1995” and that the story was “originally published in Palace Corbie #7.” I’ll change the note to mention that the story was copyrighted in 1995. I believe that I have this issue of Palace Corbie, but I don’t know where it is at (it’s in storage). MLB 22:08, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Chronicles of Narnia film companion
Your submission to update this record changed the title record (NONFICTION type) into a content record of ESSAY type on page xi. You should update the record again, change the record back to NONFICTION, and then create content records for any ESSAY records which may be contained in the book. Mhhutchins 01:40, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Red Town Lost
This record was accepted, but there are several problems:
- The publication series was entered into the image URL field, and the publication series number was entered into the Wikipedia field of the title record.
- The name of the series should be Necro Fresh Flesh.
- The wrong ISBN was entered into the ISBN field. When there is more than one ISBN in a publication, the one on the copyright page should be entered into the record unless there is a secondary source with sufficient evidence that the ISBN is incorrect. You can give any other ISBN in the Note field. BTW, the Amazon "Look Inside" also gives the ISBN as 978-1-939065-01-8 and for even more confusion, the Smashwords ISBN is 978-1-4524-0540-7.
- The publisher should be Necro Publications. Mhhutchins 02:06, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
- I'll use the 978-1-939065-01-8 ISBN but what's interesting is that my copy has a different copyright page than the "Look Inside" feature. It's identical except that the ISBN-13 is 978-1475040241 and the ISBN-10 is 1475040245. I wonder if mine, and I got it second-hand, is a promotional copy. Aren't small-presses fun? MLB 06:54, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
- And PODs are even more fun! It wouldn't hurt to add a note about the differences in the actual book and the Amazon "Look Inside". Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:02, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
- Oh, I see you've already updated the record and another moderator has accepted the submission. But, as I said above, the ISBN stated on the copyright page should be the one in the ISBN field. Mhhutchins 16:03, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
- I've put the ISBN from my copy back into my entry. I have found that there are two separate pages for this book on Amazon. Confusion reigns. My ISBN works for one page, while the one that you found works for another page. ***Sigh*** I suspect alcohol is at the root of all this. I know I need a drink. MLB 11:13, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
- Well, I could follow the notes, so in it has gone. Drinks all around may be in order.... --MartyD 11:41, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Analog June 2013
Submission adding this record was accepted, but a few corrections are needed. The names of columns should be disambiguated, e.g. "The Reference Library (Analog, June 2013)". This includes "In Times to Come" and "Upcoming Events". When you get a chance you can also add series data to these columns. What is the essay by "various" on page 109? (Perhaps it should be "Brass Tacks"? Does the title of the essay on page 25 include "(sidebar)"? If not, it shouldn't be part of the title. You can also add such information in the title record's note field. Mhhutchins 00:54, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
- You're right, "various" was meant to be "Brass Tacks". I was planning on disambiguating the columns when the entry was accepted. I'll add the image of the magazine and everything else now. MLB 08:34, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Little Evil Things, Vol. 2
A couple of problems with this record. The format should be "audio cassette". Only audio readings are eligible for the database. Dramatizations are not. You can always record non-eligible pieces in the Note field. Mhhutchins 01:01, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
- Okay, I'll remove stories two and three. MLB 08:30, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
The system doesn't recognize "é" if the author/artist is already in the database without it. If the author/artist has it, then it's not necessary to add the accent when entering records. For example, you can enter "Philip Jose Farmer" into the author field of a submission and the system will automatically correct it and add it to records for Philip José Farmer. The artist Anders Finer was in the system without the accent, so any record entered as "Finér" would be added to his bibliography as "Finer". The only way to fix this is to change the author's canonical name from "Ander Finer" to "Anders Finér". I'll do that. The next time you enter a record with this name you will not need to add the accent in the submission. Mhhutchins 01:11, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
- Now I know. Sorry. MLB 08:29, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Classic Pulp Fiction Stories #78
I accepted Classic Pulp Fiction Stories #78 and added "(Classic Pulp Fiction Stories #78)" to the "Bones of Contention" entry. Regular featues should have their titles disambiguated unless they're given a unique title in each issue. I see this one has a subtitle not present on the other ones already in the database, but that subtitle seems likely to be generic and repeated in other issues, so disambiguating is appropriate.
One other thing about numbered and dated magazine issues: If you (counterintuitively) put the number AFTER the comma, e.g., "Classic Pulp Fiction Stories, #78 November 2001", the issue number will show up in the issue grid display for the magazine series. For example, see this. Your entry is consistent with the few other issues already in the database, but it looks like they're all yours, so you could change them if you wanted to. --MartyD 10:58, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
- Okay. Now I know. MLB 11:00, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
- You need to remove from the records and delete from the database any non-spec-fic stories which were published in this periodical. Mhhutchins 15:02, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Untitled interiorart works should be titled for the work they illustrate. If they do not illustrate a specific story they should be given the title of the publication in which they appear. In other words, never use the title "untitled" for an interiorart work. (Perhaps I've brought this to your attention before?) I've changed the title of the work by Bruce Heller in this record. Mhhutchins 15:11, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
- This was done way back when before I knew better. I was just correcting the title as requested by another verifier, I should have checked the contents, sorry. MLB 06:41, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Titles of serials
Records of the SERIAL type should be titled using this format: "Title of Work (Part X of Y)" if they're serialized in more than one issue of a periodical or "Title of Work (Complete Novel)" if they're serialized in a single issue. The title of the serial in this record should be corrected. Also, are you certain that all of the stories in this record are spec-fic, e.g. "The Last Train Robbery"? Mhhutchins 15:15, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
- This was done way back when before I knew better. I was just correcting the title as requested by another verifier, I should have checked the contents, sorry. Will also remove the story "The Last Train Robbery" MLB 06:43, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Use of HTML bold mark-up in Note field
When referencing titles in a publication record's Note field, please use double quotation marks to indicate a "Contained Title", such as stories and essays, and HTML italics for Container Titles, such as books and magazines. Do not use HTML mark-up to Bold Titles in a publication record. I brought this same issue to your attention last July. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:36, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
"The Tin Star" in Classic Pulp Fiction Stories #80
I accepted your updates to Classic Pulp Fiction Stories #80, but your edit of the notes plus your note to the moderator made it sound like you intended to remove "The Tin Star" but then didn't. I'm wondering if that's what you meant to do, but it got lost in the shuffle. I'm happy to remove it and delete it if it doesn't belong. Thanks. --MartyD 10:44, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you. It did get lost in the shuffle. When another moderator pointed out my mistakes in this early entry of mine, I took the liberty of updating and correcting my other mistakes in the 81st and 82nd issues of this magazine, and then I still forgot something. Again, thank you, and someday I'll get it right. MLB 09:02, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
- Not a problem. It's a lot of detailed steps to keep track of. Applying guidance to past entries is a very good thing to do; I wish more people would. Anyway, I removed "The Tin Star" and deleted it. Thanks. --MartyD 10:32, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
- You should note that the contents in the record are for spec-fic stories only. Otherwise another editor might come along and add the non-spec-fic stories back into the record. Mhhutchins 19:30, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
Using commas in magazine titles
Adding a comma between the issue number and the date in a magazine's title field is not necessary. For example, look at Interzone and Locus. The reason to add a comma at all is to make the display in the issue grid easier to read. The software cuts off everything in the title before the first comma, entering the remainder of the title in the grid listing. Otherwise it wouldn't be necessary to add a comma at all. In fact, adding the issue number is actually discouraged unless the number is prominently given on the cover of the publication. Mhhutchins 19:24, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
The Magazine of Bizarro Fiction
- You're right, there's some discrepancies. I was still learning back with issue one. So here is how things are listed on the title page:
- The Magazine of Bizarro Fiction: Issue #1 fourth line up from the bottom Issue #1 Summer 2009.
- The Magazine of Bizarro Fiction: Issue #2 fourth line up from the bottom Issue #2 Fall 2009.
- The Magazine of Bizarro Fiction: Issue #3 fourth line up from the bottom Issue #3 Winter 2010.
- The Magazine of Bizarro Fiction: Issue #4 fourth line up from the bottom Issue #4 Fall 2010.
- The Magazine of Bizarro Fiction: Issue Five fourth line up from the bottom Issue #5 2011.
- The Magazine of Bizarro Fiction: Issue #6 fourth line up from the bottom Issue #6 Summer 2012.
- The Magazine of Bizarro Fiction: Issue #7 fourth line up from the bottom Issue #7 Winter 2012.
- Evidently Winter come before Fall in Bizarro World in 2010.
- There is no real date, month or season, for the 2011 issue.
- Issue #5 spelled out Five.
- I’m sorry, I must have had some form of brain lock and started making one mistake and then just started repeating it. I was confused about the date, was it part of the title or not. I guess I eventually just made it part of the title. Corrections forthcoming. MLB 10:44, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
- If the entry for issue #7 is accepted, I will correct the title and add a cover image. MLB 11:32, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
First to Flight
Please check the spelling of the title by Dietz in this record. Also, since you have the book, is it not possible to do a quick scan of the stories to determine if they're spec-fic? Mhhutchins 18:12, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
- I'll correct the spelling immediately and I'll try to scan the contents, but I'm not a military expert and I may not catch the nuances. MLB 08:07, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
- I have updated a note in the Note field and I will be deleting two stories. The others listed seem to have some speculative element to them, the Turtledove is an alternate reality story, the Stirling has to do with mind to computer interfaces, the Dietz has cyborgs, and the DeFelice story has to do with pharmaceuticals that don’t yet exist. MLB 11:43, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. Remember that after removing the offending title records from the publication record, you have to go back and delete those title records from the database. Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:08, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
The Worm in Every Heart
Also, the story "Sent Down" was previously published, so it can't be original to the collection. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:16, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
- At this late date the inability for me to correctly spell some words is a constant annoyance. This will be corrected. Also, I should have checked, I just went by the copyright page which specifically stated that "Sent Down" was original to this collection. I will re-write the note. MLB 08:03, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Pantheon / Age of . . .
I currently have your Pantheon / Age of . . . series renumbering on hold. The two titles you are inserting (Age of Anansi and Age of Satan) are both short-stories published as chapterbooks. I question why these should be added as numbered entries vs. unnumbered entries (like we do with most shortfiction within a novel series). Especially given that the author's website calls out Aztec as number 4; the order listed inside Voodoo (per Amazon's look inside) shows only the novels as currently listed; and Anansi's description is an "original stand-alone novella in ... Patheon series". Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 12:58, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
- There is no reason to number titles in a series which have not been numbered by the author or can not be determined chronologically by internal evidence (the text itself). Also, for the most part, a CHAPTERBOOK title record should not have series data, only the contained SHORTFICTION title record. Mhhutchins 23:23, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
- I was unaware of this series until I had bought Age of Voodoo at bookstore. They all seem to be stand-alones even if they are thematically linked. The novellas are listed separately on the inside of the Age of Voodoo book, but the descriptions on Amazon make it clear they are part of the series. If it violates the ISFDB standards by all means cancel my renumbering of the series. MLB 16:04, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Trouble with file upload?
It appears from the history of this image file you may have had some trouble with the upload. Can you remember why it had to be uploaded three times? Perhaps I can determine the cause of the problem. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:01, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I know. It's Infestation Cubed, I'll correct it. MLB 13:47, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
This should have been left on the Moderator Noticeboard, not on your own talk page. Mhhutchins 16:24, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Ghidalia' Wizards and Warlocks
Startling Stories, March 1943
Just an FYI that we had two versions of this Adventure House reprint of Startling Stories, March 1943 . The one that you verified in March was set up as a magazine and the other one was an anthology. I have deleted the unverified pub and converted your verified one to an anthology. Hopefully everything still looks OK! Ahasuerus 00:56, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
New Mystery Magazines ?
Even though this record hasn't been verified, I was able to look back over the last few days' integrations to discover that you made the submission to create it. There's a couple of problems which were overlooked by the moderator who accepted it. First problem is the title of the periodical. According to Amazon, it's New Mystery Adventures. Also, there was no date given in the title field, but it appears to be a facsimile reprint of the December, 1935 issue. I'm going to make the corrections. If these are not correct, please make another submission to fix them. Mhhutchins 01:06, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
- No excuses. Thank you very much. I will add a cover image to this. MLB 22:15, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Earthworm Gods: Selected Scenes
I'm unsure what you mean by the page count field of this record. We don't count advertising pages in this field. You should give the last page of the novel (or in this case, the last story), plus any extra unpaginated pages that have any work of interest for which you intend to create a content record. Mhhutchins 02:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
- Four books per page. With detailed summaries of each book, and black-and-white reproductions of each book’s cover. This is very much like the catalogues printed in each issue of The Magazine of Bizarro Fiction, which is published by the same parent company. Since you can’t order anything, I believe, from the publisher’s website, and the buyer is referred to Amazon.com, I listed this as a catalogue in the notes. I normally don’t list ads, unless they are faux ads, and I don't usually list ads in the notes unless they mention an item that hasn’t, or won’t, appear, or, give information that isn’t in the book proper. MLB 14:40, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
- As I said above, we don't count advertising pages in the page count field of a book. (Books' page counts are handled differently from magazines.) Mhhutchins 15:21, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
- Also, I rejected the submission to make this book three in the series. Titles can be in a series without having a number. Unless it's actually stated in the book. If that's the case, I'll accept a new submission. Mhhutchins 15:23, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
- Looking on the author's website, I see he calls it book 3 in the series (even though it was the second one published). So I've added the number to the record. Mhhutchins 15:31, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
- Oh, okay. Now I know. Thanks. MLB 16:59, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Hello, I've approved your sub but made some adjustements. 1) minor : title is _Le Silmarillion_ (not _Le Silmarillon_), ISBN is likely to be 2-266-12102-2 one digit less than given), the cover seems to be incorrect for this printing it's probably this one, the capitalization is not right per french usage (only the first word and proper nouns are capitalized). 2) major : when adding a translation to an english title when it's not already existing, it's better (faster) to start from scratch (create a new title and variant it) than to use "Add publication to this title" and then be forced to unmerge the newly created record before varianting it like you did. Hervé Hauck 17:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you. I couldn't have done it without you. :-) MLB 17:11, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
- No problem. Note that the already present record here is likely to be not very reliable and that the contents should now be individually merged with their original counterparts that can be found here. there is also the problem of the _Quinta Silmarillion_ part which is likely a novel (per its length) this one ? making the lot perhaps an omnibus Hauck 17:16, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
- According to the rules, if I read them correctly, if there is a novel, and a bunch of other stuff, fiction and non-fiction, then the book is considered a collection, if there is two or more novels, then a book is considered an omnibus. I don't know. MLB 17:59, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
- In fact the definition is "OMNIBUS. A publication may be classified is an omnibus if it contains multiple works that have previously been published independently, and at least one of them is a novel.", in this case it depends of the (possible) previous publications of the shorter texts. Hauck 18:21, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
- Okay, I'll change it. MLB 18:23, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
[unindent] Because this record was incorrectly created, I had to go through and change the language of all of the titles to French. And I had to unmerge the titles that had been merged. Although they have the identical titles, the languages differ, so variants will have to be created. Mhhutchins 18:51, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
- The Silmarillion is not an OMNIBUS, because none of its parts were previously published independently. It's an original story COLLECTION which happens to contain a novel-length work. Mhhutchins 20:31, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
- The conflict here is that many sources, including most of the records in the ISFDB, consider The Silmarillion to be a NOVEL. (There are a few records here entered as COLLECTIONs.) You'll have to start a discussion on one of the community pages to determine how it should be handled by the ISFDB. Mhhutchins 20:41, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
- Forgive me for saying this, but I suspect that some contributers to this site were rushed and didn't have the time to list the entire contents. I on the other hand have no life. I suppose that the stories and essays in this collection should be put in Middle Earth Universe series, but I have not read this book and I'm reluctant to do that. Calling this a collection is just fine with me. MLB 20:49, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
- Your theory may be true for some, but it would not explain why they didn't type it as COLLECTION, regardless of the time and effort it would take to enter the contents (two mouse clicks to import the contents). The readers of Locus voted it the best fantasy novel of the year, and it won the Ditmar for best long fiction (not a collection award). So there is some dispute. If I can bring a personal note to the discussion, I believe that very few people have actually read the book. But looking through the contents I can see how each side has a point. The various parts could be considered chapters of a novel. Or each one could be considered a separate story. The fact that none of the pieces were previously published adds to the problem. I have no problem with converting my verified record to COLLECTION, but there are eight other verifiers that will have to agree as well. That's why I suggested you bring it up on a community page and invite the other verifiers to participate. Mhhutchins 21:04, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
BCE of Pandora's Daughter
I've accepted the submission adding this record to the database, but there are a couple of problems. The publisher should be given as "St. Martin's Press / BCE" (note the use of the slash, as was instructed in response to the question you posted on the help page). The trade edition's ISBN should be corrected and entered into the record's Note field. The book club edition's identifier (the number on the back of the dustjacket) should be entered into the ISBN/Catalog # field with a leading "#" symbol. This is standard for book club editions which retain the ISBN of the trade edition as instructed here. That page is specific for SFBC editions but can be applied to any book club printing published by Doubleday/Bookspan. One other thing, the OCLC record you link in the Note field is to the trade edition. Only OCLC records which specify book club editions should be linked to its corresponding ISFDB record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:06, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
- I didn't do the OCLC listing, I kept if from the cloning action, I'll remove it. I looked, and if I'm correct, there is no gutter code (this will take some getting used to). There should be a college course in this stuff. MLB 10:35, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Behind the Door
- A typo, I'll correct it. MLB 08:42, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Mad Monkton and Other Stories by Wilkie Collins
- The first two are misspellings, it was a bad night, on "John Jago's Ghost", no, there is no subtitle. MLB 08:50, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
- According to the story notes of this volume:
- Brother Owen's Story of Anne Rodway is actually a variant of The Diary of Anne Rodway, which is what the story's original name was when it was originally printed (in two parts) in Household Words (1856-07-19 & 1856-97-26).
- After a little looking the original title to this story can be found here as a scan of the original contents page.
- Miss Jéromette and the Clergyman (on this site) was originally published as The Clergyman’s Confession in Canadian Monthly (1875-08/09-00).
- Mr. Captain and the Nymph (on this site) was originally published as The Captain’s Last Love in The Spirit of the Times (1876-12-23).
- Mr. Policeman and the Crook (on this site) was originally published as Who Killed Zebedee? (1881-01-26).
- I don’t want to tinker with these entries. I leave it all up to you. I’ll add more publication notes in the future. MLB 10:16, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm confused. Is this an ebook (as stated in the Note field) or a digital audio download (an audiobook in the form of digital file downloaded from the internet)...or both? Mhhutchins 02:32, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
- I'll change it. I don't use Kindle, I guess I fell into the default of calling it an e-book, which it isn't (I think). MLB 08:53, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
- According to your source (Amazon listing), this is an ebook, which can be digitally downloaded (as are all ebooks), but that doesn't make it a "digital audio download", which as I stated above, is the ISFDB designated format for an audiobook downloaded from the internet. Some ebooks in the Kindle format are "text-to-speech" enabled which is a computerized reading of the novel. This doesn't make it an audiobook as defined by the ISFDB. Also, I could find nothing in the listing about the length of this work. The cover states "A Mythos Academy Novel". What is your source that it's a novella, making the publication a CHAPTERBOOK? Mhhutchins 16:11, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
- I moved the CHAPTERBOOK record out of the series, replacing it with the SHORTFICTION record, per ISFDB standards. Mhhutchins 16:16, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Tales of the Callamo Mountains
"Ayler" or "Aylmer"
- Very sorry. My eyes were getting blurry at the end of the typing. I'll cancel my last submission and recorrect all of my mistakes. Again, sorry. MLB 21:52, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Please use the word "frontispiece" to indicate a full-page work of art which appears opposite or before a book's title page or table of contents. I'll change the records for those that were entered as "frontpiece". Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:44, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
I've had to reject 8 recent submissions in which you want to create new variant records. (Click on your "My Rejected Edits" link to see the list.) All of them already had variants in the database. They're not visible on the pseudonym page because they've already been varianted. You should first click on the "Show All Titles" list of the pseudonym to see if the variant exists. If there are, then merge those that are identical. Otherwise, proceed with the submission to variant. (It's a good idea to check the rejected edit list every once in awhile to avoid making the same errors. Occasionally the moderator doesn't have time post a message on your page, and uses this shortcut to let you know why the submission was rejected.) There was another rejected submission because you wanted to variant two identical records (the anonymously authored "The Mysterious Stranger"). You can't variant two records that have identical title and author fields. If they're the same work, they should be merged. If they're not the same work, the title of one of them should be disambiguated (unless they're of different types.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:32, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
- I didn't resubmite the The Mysterious Stranger story because I noticed a vast difference in dates and I realized this may not be the same story already listed on this site. More research on this story has to be done. About the others, fair enough, now I now, I think. I sometimes think that the computer between my ears needs to be rebooted. MLB 01:13, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Author information hidden in publication notes
I removed the lines analogue to 'Zoe Daniels is author Casey Daniels and Daniels has a page on this site' from the pub. records you recently updated. This information doesn't belong here but to the respective author summary pages. Please variant in case this is required. Thanks, Stonecreek 14:28, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Analog, July/Aug 2013
Also, I linked the Hoyt novel to Darkship Renegades. Is it given as Deathship Renegades in the review. If not, please correct the title. If so, correct the title and note the review's error. Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:11, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, one last thing. Periodicals that are dated bimonthly should be entered with a dash instead of a slash, i.e. "Analog, July-August 2013". (I've personally always disliked this, but it was already an established standard when I got here.) Mhhutchins 15:55, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, again. But can you check the page count? They're usually multiples of four (if you count the covers according to ISFDB standards.) Mhhutchins 16:41, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry, I DID get it in May, and I forgot to add the front cover to the page count, although I do know better. I have no idea where Deathship came from. MLB 08:48, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Disambiguating Analog contents
I noticed that the previous verifiers of issues of Analog have established the standard of disambiguating contents as "Title (Analog, Month Year)" and not "Title (Analog Science Fiction and Fact, Month Year)". I will go back and make the changes in those issues which you have verified. Please keep this in mind for any future verifications. It's a good idea to look back over several issues to see if there has been an established standard which may deviate from normal, such as placing of columns into series. These standards are sometimes given on the periodical's wiki page. Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:21, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
Analog, June 2013
Proposed "In Times to Come" additions
Hi. I may have to defer this to another moderator who knows more about Analog, but I figured I'd give it a shot.... I have on hold two submissions that would put Galactic Cannibalism: Who's on the Menu and The Fabulous Fruits of Mendel's Garden into In Times to Come (Analog). Are you sure that's right? In looking at that series, I find it suspicious that there are no other non-"In Times to Come" pieces in that series over nearly 50 years of issues. Thanks. --MartyD 11:27, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
- No, no, no. My computer has been glitching. These two articles that you mention should go into Science Fact (Analog) NOT In Times to Come. I should have caught this, but I have no idea why "In Times to Come" was used as a series for Galactic Cannibalism: Who's on the Menu and The Fabulous Fruits of Mendel's Garden. Excuse me now, I need to go and get a hammer and do some repairs on my hardrive. MLB 12:03, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Nonfiction in nongenre magazines...
- Okay. Now I know. But, you'll be sorry when someday they turn it into a multi-billion mini-series on the Scy-Fy channel :-) MLB 12:41, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
You're correct to make this into a CHAPTERBOOK type record, but the content, if it's a screenplay, stage play, or teleplay, should be entered as an unlengthed SHORTFICTION record. I've removed the novella length from the content record. Also, bookmark this page so that you can convert any future use of roman numbers. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:38, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Forgot to tell you, the ISBN is not a valid number. Please check again. According to the OCLC record the ISBN is 0871295652. Mhhutchins 17:48, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
- I will fix everything, my computer is having some problems, including not copying things that are, uh, copied. MLB 01:13, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Cover image for Threshold
You linked the image of another book to this record. Looking here it looks like you uploaded two different images from the same publication record. Look at the image history: the first one was for Threshold which you replaced with the image for Fire of Heaven. I can fix it by deleting the second upload, but just wanted you to see what happened. Mhhutchins 01:45, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you. MLB 01:47, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
- Fixed. Mhhutchins 02:01, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
I accepted the submission adding this record, but made a few changes: changed the publication series is "Silhouette Shadows", added the page count (easily found of OCLC), removed the Amazon cover image (which was for the Dreamscapes edition), and removed the cover artist credit (but kept the note about the signature. We only use a visible signature to identify the artist. Since in this case it doesn't, I removed the credit. No doubt you'll find exceptions in the db.) Mhhutchins
I found what I believe is the correct image on Amazon (not a particularly good one) and linked it to the record. Mhhutchins 22:54, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, that's the image that I used for the price and artist for this book. About the info on partial artist signitures, now I know. Thanx. MLB 22:59, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
The Coming Storm
When there is no source for the date of a story, it is best to leave the date field blank, which will default to the date of the publication. Entering 0000-00-00 displays the date as "unknown", and that should only be done for stories for that you're positive were published before the date of the publication you're entering. In the case of this anthology, the stories were original to this publication and so should be dated "2012-04-00". With a little research, I found this page which confirms that these stories are original to this anthology. (The only error is for Graham Masterton's story which I've found was previously published.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:05, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
Does it mention that James Herbert's "Others" could be an excerpt from the 1999 novel of the same name? Mhhutchins 02:17, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
- I will change the dates on those stories I undated. It nowhere states that the story "Others" is an excerpt, this is why I added the note about this, however, the page that you found clearly states that it is excerpted from the novel of the same name. I will correct the note and the entry itself. MLB 08:48, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
- The only way to make sure that the records are separated is to create a disambiguated name. Since the author is more famous than the filmmaker (at least among sf readers and not sf film fans), I've disamgiguated the filmmaker's name. Mhhutchins 14:37, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Anthony Boucher: A Biobibliography
Hi. I accepted your submission of Anthony Boucher: A Biobibliography but made a couple of typo fixes, based on the Amazon Look Inside:
- ISBN from 987-0-7864-3320-9 (flagged as not a valid ISBN) to 978-0-7864-3320-9 (from the copyright page)
- "Forword" to "Foreword"
I also added a link to Amazon's cover image while I was visiting and editing anyway. --MartyD 10:50, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Roberts' Time Was
A few problems with this record: you gave it an ISBN-13 (it was published on November 1, 1989 according to the Amazon record). Also, you linked the author's wikipedia page to the title record. This field is to link any possible Wikipedia page for the title. (You can also update the date field to 1989-11-01). Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:20, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Also, what is the source for the price? Neither of the sources you noted give the price. The "Confessions of a Bibliophile" source seems rather innocuous. What data did you get from that other than the title? The OCLC record is a much more reliable and stable source. Mhhutchins 16:24, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Hello, I accepted your submissions of the volumes of Holding Your Own. But please check again if it's really Forward (Holding Their Own: A Story of Survival) and not 'Foreword (...)', which would be correct. Thanks, Stonecreek 09:08, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
- And I changed the publisher to CreateSpace for 'Apocalypse Drift', because that's what at amazon to be found. What was your source for the other publisher? Stonecreek 09:18, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
- No it's Forward, I just went back and double checked, considering the nature of the book I’m sure it’s a play on words. As to where I got Kemah Bay Marketing as publisher, I got it from the copyright page, and the back cover of Apocalypse Drift as seen in Amazon’s “Look Inside” feature as seen here . If I’m correct, Creatspace is a publishing company but not a publisher. Besides, I used what was inside the book itself. I have none of these books, this is all information found on Amazon from a previously unknown, to me, publisher. MLB 17:15, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
- Well, all the copyright page says is that the material is copyrighted to Kemah Bay Marketing. Sincerely, that doesn't make it the publisher (just as a novel copyrighted to, say, Robert A. Heinlein wouldn't make him the publisher)!!! Most probably it is just the company serving as windshield for Joe Nobody. We judge the publisher as the one stated on the title page and since this isn't displayed at amazon's Look Inside, we go by the reported publisher: CreateSpace. Thanks, Stonecreek 12:34, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Thunderhead (condensed) = Thunderhead (abridged)
I approved of your submission for the Reader's Digest edition of this novel. As proposed by you, I renamed the novel and made it into a variant of the original: the cuts seem substantial enough to mark this one as a variant. Since we usually have the term 'abridged' for texts cut in this way, I used that. Thanks for submitting! Stonecreek 12:44, 18 May 2013 (UTC)