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Narrator template


Just wanted to let you know that we added a new template to record the narrators for audiobooks ({{Narrator|Stefan Rudnicki}} for example). I changed it here and also added the Audible ASIN :) Annie 17:03, 15 January 2019 (EST)

Will you STOP that!!!!! Every time I turn around you people are changing this or updating that! Good Grief, don't you people have lives? I know I don't, but still... Okay, thanks. :) MLB 17:31, 15 January 2019 (EST)
Naah, not going to stop at all - if we stop, the world will stop turning! And what is that "life" you are talking about? Now you will make me go and pull my dictionaries...  :) It is similar to the translator template - the idea is that one day when we have "other people responsible for this work/pub" kind of thing, this will make it easier to find and migrate these. :) Annie 17:36, 15 January 2019 (EST)

The Indexes

These should be January-December (the previous year) - look at the few I have on hold - they have the CURRENT ISSUE disambiguation so when you change the year to the previous year, it does not make sense... For example this one should either be "Index (Asimov's, Volume 40, January - December 2016)" or "Index (Asimov's, January-February 2017)" (which means that it is the in Jan/Feb 2017 issue... Making it Jan 2016 does not make sense. Or am I missing something? Annie 03:08, 17 January 2019 (EST)

It was late at night and I was tired. No excuse, but I will fix in a little bit, as I am on my way out of the house. MLB 11:34, 17 January 2019 (EST)
I was wondering if it was not just a half-asleep brain ( mine or yours.) :) Thanks! Annie 11:48, 17 January 2019 (EST)
The new set you just sent have the same problem: this should either be "January 2015" or "January-December 2014". "January 2014" does not make sense at all for the 2014 list published in January 2015. Annie 20:51, 17 January 2019 (EST)
Please tell me I got it right this time. I must be loosing my mind. MLB 22:26, 17 January 2019 (EST)
Yep, perfect - there was a missing comma in one of them but I added it so they line up. Annie 01:16, 18 January 2019 (EST)

Last Dance of the Lochkray

Hi, I have put the submissions for this on hold. wondering how it's possible that the review precedes the title by eight years (!?). Christian Stonecreek 04:37, 30 January 2019 (EST)

I found ~on Goodreads that the title was first published in March 2005, and changed the title record as such.--Dirk P Broer 06:52, 30 January 2019 (EST)
Thanks very much, Dirk. I approved of the submissions. Christian Stonecreek 07:12, 30 January 2019 (EST)

Asimov's Readers' Poll Results

While adding the finalists for this year's Asimov's Readers' Poll awards, I noticed that we did not have the full poll results for 2017 nor 2018. Unfortunately the magazine's website only lists the winners. The SFADB also seems to be missing the full results for 2017 and, curiously, the novella results for 2018 (they have the others). I was wondering if the editorials announcing the results, in the September/October issues for each year, happen to publish the full results. If so, would you mine either updating the awards for those years that we still have as finalists. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 09:26, 10 February 2019 (EST)

Holee Kow!!! I've been editing here since 2012 and I didn't even know this was on the site!!! So much to keep learning about ISFDB. Don't even know how to update this. Will start searching immediately. MLB 19:58, 10 February 2019 (EST)
Happy to introduce you to something new. If you have any questions about how to update the awards, feel free to ask. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 22:08, 10 February 2019 (EST)

Anything But Empty

I accepted your edit to add Anything But Empty to the db, but you will also need to add the short story as contents as this is a chapbook. Thanks. PeteYoung 06:32, 15 February 2019 (EST)

Tags for Translator in pub notes

Hi. I thought one was a copy/paste thing, but I've run into another. Don't include
tags around the
(and similar templates) in the notes. These are flagged as not-allowed HTML, and they're not needed. Thanks. --MartyD 22:18, 20 February 2019 (EST)
Fine. I was only following instructions from previous moderators. They gave me the formula to follow. See here and here. MLB 01:04, 21 February 2019 (EST)
It looks like there's been some confusion. The
tags were included to make it (the example template) appear correctly when viewing the template here on your talk page. Those nowiki tags make the wiki (which this talk page is part of) not interpret the {{TR|NAME}} template as an actual template here in the wiki. Only the {{tr|NAME}} part should be used. I hope that makes it more clear. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 16:36, 21 February 2019 (EST)
Yeah. MLB 00:06, 22 February 2019 (EST)

The Devil and Daniel Webster

Hi. You entered and verified a copy of the 1965 HRW edition, P490250.

Concerning whether this is a reprint of the 1937 edition:
Moments ago I added the 1st ed. (Countryman Press, 1937) submission from contemporary newspaper coverage mainly, but also a WorldCat record that reports page-span 13-61, which matches your report. See also the last bullet item.

HRW was created by 1960 merger of Henry Holt, Rinehart & Company (successor to Farrar & Rinehart), and John C. Winston. So it would hold their backlists.

28-year renewal of the 1937 copyright must be expected in 1965, the year of your publication. But you note that it states only 1937 copyright. --Pwendt|talk 23:00, 25 February 2019 (EST)

ASIN vs Audible ASIN

Hi, I just corrected invalid ASINs for a title where you merged a title, The Bantam: A Phantom Traveler Novella. I assume the wrong codes were either entered by you, or became wrong codes because of the merge. What did I need to correct? There was a ASIN given that was in fact the Audible ASIN and on the palce of the audible ASIN there was a 10-digit string. Both ASIN and Audible ASIn can't be 10-digit strings. The correct ASIN for 'The Bantam: A Phantom Traveler Novella' is B078VTQWL2 (see the ebook), the correct Audible ASIN is B07N49BHWZ (see the audiobook). Now I'm left with '1551171342' which is not a OCLC number, nor an ISBN. Do you have a clue?--Dirk P Broer 05:16, 27 February 2019 (EST)

No. Get rid of it. MLB 06:36, 27 February 2019 (EST)

Buy or Die: There Cometh a Time of Ruthless Advertising

All looking better) now. Annie 21:13, 15 March 2019 (EDT)

Five Victorian Ghost Novels

1. A\The Phantom Lover

Hi. You verified this 1971 Dover omnibus in some undated printing, P381181. Please check whether it does contain "A Phantom Lover" under variant title "The Phantom Lover". The library records we cite for the original 1971 printing both show the original title "A Phantom Lover": LCCN 77-102771, which you cite in the Notes, and WorldCat OCLC 876263121, indirectly in a quoted 2018 GoodReads review. --Pwendt|talk 13:28, 18 March 2019 (EDT)

British Library also reports "A Phantom Lover", BL 000375769.
2. The Amber Witch. We should also know what info Dover provides concerning this text of "The Amber Witch" --translator, year, and more if available. Sources differ concerning the year and we have both 1844 and 1846 titles in the database, T1365996 as a NOVEL and T1146197 as a short story. (Our one publication record for the latter shows that the work must be a short story, most likely an excerpt from one unrevised translation --or minimally revised, to present the excerpt adequately by itself.) --Pwendt|talk 14:13, 19 March 2019 (EDT)
Okay, this is one of my first edits on this site and a lot of crap has has happened around here since then, including two deaths, and a lot of sicknesses, so to be honest, I don't, at present, know where that volume is at. I'll look for the book, but, it'll take a while. Change what you think needs changing, and I'll go on a scavenger hunt when I can, and when I find that book I'll fix anything that needs fixing. I'll change the verification in the meantime. MLB 17:28, 19 March 2019 (EDT)
I am sorry to read about all that. I am familiar only with the part about owning books that are not at hand, so I don't do much verification here. --Pwendt|talk 18:18, 20 March 2019 (EDT)

Allan Quatermain

Here P578321 is one that you are likely to recall, I infer from your deliberate publication Note, "Misspells Quatermain's name as Quartermain on the cover" (with image that shows that stray 'r' on the spine). To me you imply correct spelling on the title page, so that the publication title and NOVEL title as "Quartermain" are mistakes, for your F. M. Lupton edition.

We have several publications of that NOVEL with two spelling errors in the title, "Allan Quartermain: Being and Account", presumably propagated by copy-paste from no more than one intentional entry of a mis-spelling. I don't propose to touch yours unless you recall that no mis-spelling is intentional.

If/when you find the book, it may provide helpful information about the publisher F. M. Lupton --most likely a street address. I have 7 different ones from 1880s to 1900s, gathered today in somewhat-related research. --Pwendt|talk 18:36, 20 March 2019 (EDT)


Sorry, but I was the one who corrected the erroneous submission for an ANTHOLOGY. This is impossible per ISFDB standard. I'll wait until tomorrow but it seems that a new erroneous submission would have to be rejected. Stonecreek 15:14, 29 March 2019 (EDT)

Well, this is certainly not a chapbook, so how does one list it? Maybe as a collaboration? One piece of fiction by one author, in a book filled by different authors certainly seems to fit the definition of an anthology to me, even if the other pieces are there to explore the themes of that one piece of fiction. Anyway, I'm not being hostile, I truly would like to know how to list this type of book, as there are plenty of them out there. I have read books like this dealing with Lovecraft, and James' The Turn of the Screw.
This also leads up to a second question. There are a LOT of sequels, prequels, and spinoffs of Carmilla. They should be put into a series, but Carmilla is already part of a series . . . so how would one go about organizing these stories. Some of this is above my pay grade y'know. Maybe "Carmilla Universe", and then make Martin Hesselius the parent series? Just trying to be a better editor. MLB 18:14, 29 March 2019 (EDT)
It really seems to be a CHAPBOOK: after all the shortfiction by Le Fanu (who is defined as author as per title page and cover) takes more than half of the space (ANTHOLOGY is ruled out per our definition of it). Stonecreek 02:06, 30 March 2019 (EDT)
Yeah, but half the space, it's a two hundred page book, is taken up by extraneous material. This is not just a couple of forewords or afterwords. These are full-length articles/criticisms. I can't see a two-hundred page book filled with multiple authors rendered down to a chapbook. Still, I'm just a lowly editor, but, the rules are the rules, and if the rules say it's so, what do I know. Time to move on. Lots of indie authors that need to be on this site. I think. No big deal. MLB 02:33, 30 March 2019 (EDT)

The Carol Singer

A quick question about your verified "The Carol Singer" by Chris Fox. The Locus Index says that it is the same story as "The Carol Singer" by Chris Naylor which appeared in The Young Oxford Book of Christmas Stories in 2001. However, the Naylor story is currently listed as having been first published in 1988 while our database record says that the Fox story was first published in December 1998.

When you have a free moment, could you please check your chapbook to see if it contains anything that may shed additional light on this issue? TIA! Ahasuerus 13:08, 30 March 2019 (EDT)

I'll look, but it wouldn't matter I fear, the pamphlet was just some loosely folded pages that were meant as a give-away. As I stated in my note, there is no date. I got it when a story of mine was rejected. If other sources state that the original publishing date is 1988, then that's what it is. However, shouldn't the Fox and Naylor pages be merged? MLB 21:19, 30 March 2019 (EDT)
Well, the fact there was another "Chris Fox" active around the same time made me wonder if Locus may have been mistaken. My thinking was "Perhaps the two Carol Singers shorts are two separate stories by two different authors". However, their theme is the same, the word count is close - 2 pages vs. 4 unnumbered pages -- and the FictionMag Index also thinks that Chris Naylor used "Chris Fox" as a pseudonym in the late 1990s and early 2000s. I ended up creating VT/pseudonym associations for the two stories. Now to make sure that our bibliography of the latest addition to the "Chris Fox" brigade is up to date. No rest for the wicked :-) Thanks! Ahasuerus 23:35, 30 March 2019 (EDT)

Signal Red

Hi Mark, I accepted your edit to add Signal Red, but I'm bothered by "Penguin Global" as the publisher as I can't find reference anywhere to this being an actual Penguin imprint. Amazon Look Inside shows the pub as having "First published by Penguin Books India 2005" on the copyright page. Can you clarify where Penguin Global comes from? Also, the ISBN-13 is for publications from 2007 onwards. The pre-2007 ISBN-10 for this pub is 0143032623 (according to Amazon). Thanks. PeteYoung 23:35, 2 April 2019 (EDT)


Cover images should be uploaded using the "Upload new cover scan" option on the publication. If you are adding a new publication, you should wait for the publication to added and then upload it using the link. The link will properly name the image as well as apply the correct templates. When uploading non-cover images directly to the wiki, you need to manually apply a license tag to the image. Help:How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki provides instructions for this. Looking at your contributions, you have a lot of images that need to be fixed. Please go through your history and apply the proper templates. If they are not appropriately marked, they are not complaint with copyright. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:53, 24 April 2019 (EDT)

Well, somebody should have explained this before. But, ignorance is no excuse for incompetence, so if you go here could you check and see if I’m doing it right? MLB 01:02, 25 April 2019 (EDT)
Wiki edits are not moderated. Unfortunately, that means things like this can be missed for awhile.
As for this edit, that is not sufficient. You need to edit the page and add an appropriate image license template (they are listed in the help page I linked above). For this author image, I would assume you would use the fair use one (Template:Author Image Data), but you need to pick the correct one based on the true copyright status (so fair use, by permission, public domain, create commons, etc.). Once you pick the right license, go to the license template page (they are all linked on the help page) and it will give you the instructions for what you need to enter on the image page.
I moved your post from my talk page to here. It is easier to keep conversation grouped and I have watchlisted this page. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:55, 25 April 2019 (EDT)
This all boils down to whether or not I understand computerese. Perhaps I overstepped myself. Well, okay, I DID overstep my boundaries. I did this but I know its wrong, and/or I don't know how to link it to anything. MLB 22:14, 25 April 2019 (EDT)
Sorry for not making it simpler. You don't edit the template page. You edit the image page and copy the template to it. So edit Image:Trevor.jpg and replace the text contents with:
{{Author Image Data
|Name=Trevor Quachri
|Source=[ Analog Science Fiction and Fact website]
That will add the template, with the correct parameters filled in, to the image page. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:09, 25 April 2019 (EDT)
Well, it looks like your job is still safe from me. It all seems like magic to me, but is this correct now? Sorry to take so long. I got caught by some ransomware. MLB 20:51, 1 May 2019 (EDT)
Yes, it's correct. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:54, 2 May 2019 (EDT)

The Girl Who Was Burned Alive

In Tales of Magic and Mystery, March 1928, the essay The Girl Who Was Burned Alive is credited to Howard Thurston, but varianted as by Walter B. Gibson. However, Thurston and Gibson are different people. As there no note indicating the pub had an incorrect credit, is this variant correct? -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:52, 4 May 2019 (EDT)

I know nothing. I was looking at somebody's messages and they had mentioned that Gibson had ghost written Thurston's stuff. I'm more that willing to be wrong about this, but see this from where I checked. If you want to change it back, I'm fine with it. MLB 16:28, 4 May 2019 (EDT)
I've seen sources saying that Gibson ghostwrote two of Thurston's magic books. This is entered as an essay. Is that correct? Does it say it's by the magician (as apposed to another Thurston) or state it's reprinted from somewhere? Also, the one pub has it listed as "Burned Alive" and the other "Buried Alive". Can you double check that as well? -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:44, 11 May 2019 (EDT)
The pulps were pretty shifty when it came to giving credit where credit was due. So I don't know if the Thurston article was an article or an excerpt. This is something that an expert in magic could tell you, which I am not. But, I suspect that if Gibson ghost-wrote Thurston's books, then he probably did Thurston's articles as well. My copy is in storage, but Amazon states that the article is BURNED alive, and I copied my submission directly from the replica itself (which I got for the Lovecraft story). Being unable to drive, when I can get to my storage container I'll double check, but not right away. Family, you can't choose 'em. Again, until there is proof positive, maybe the article should be changed back to just Thurston with a note on the writer's page. MLB 20:46, 11 May 2019 (EDT)
I have merged the two stories under "Burned" since that is what you verified it as. However, please double check when you have a chance. Other sources quote it as "Buried" and Amazon listings are not the most accurate. I found other sources that state this was ghostwritten so I have left the variant in place with a note to that affect. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:36, 12 May 2019 (EDT)

Thanks for Noticing

Nice of you to notice I became a moderator. Thank you. I think it would have been impossible if Michael Hutchins was still active; he and I fought constantly when I first started participating. But Ron Kihara and I got together at the Windy City Pulp and Paperback Show this year, and he offered to nominate me. I was curious to see what would happen, and lo and behold, now I'm a moderator. Bob 13:57, 14 May 2019 (EDT)

Well, we keep running into each other when it comes to pulp fiction and the small presses. I just wish I had the money, and room around here, to buy more. Good luck. MLB 19:36, 15 May 2019 (EDT)

Doubled back cover

Hi, there were two of them here. I dropped the incorrect one and put the other one into the page count. Christian Stonecreek 10:42, 20 May 2019 (EDT)

HTML coding

Hi, can you please take a look at how to properly make a bold italic text using html? I have corrected umpteen of these today.--Dirk P Broer 22:17, 29 May 2019 (EDT)

Now I know. No hard feelings. Always willing to learn to do better. MLB 22:26, 29 May 2019 (EDT)
I hope that I got my last two entries correct this time. MLB 22:56, 29 May 2019 (EDT)
No problems with the HTML. If only you'd stop using double bullets....--Dirk P Broer 04:51, 30 May 2019 (EDT)
Mom said I'd be trouble when I grew up. I'll try harder. MLB 04:53, 30 May 2019 (EDT)

"War of the Giant Apes" merge

Hi. I accepted your War of the Giant Apes merge, but the submission had an issue with the length. It wanted to lose the SHORTFICTION/novella length in favor of NOVEL, but the record is a variant of another SHORTFICTION/novella parent, so that would have been a mismatch. I took a look at the appearances and only verification we have, and it seemed to me that SHORTFICTION/novella is likely the correct length, so I put that back. If it should be NOVEL, multiple edits will be needed to produce a consistent result, plus checking with the primary verifier for the one verified appearance. Thanks. --MartyD 06:50, 7 June 2019 (EDT)

Any way you want it. I really didn't know how to merge Alexander Blade, as no real author was credited with it, so I took a leap of faith, and tried to figure it out. Having never seen a copy of either the book or the magazine (Amazing Stories), I can't verify anything except what the ERBville site states. If they discover oil on my property then I can afford to buy everything that catches my fancy, but until then . . . MLB 15:55, 7 June 2019 (EDT)

Novels in Magazines

I'm going to reject your two edits to change the title type of two stories ([1] and [2]) to novels. When a novel appears in a single installment in a magazine, we treat it as a serial instead of a novel. Additionally, the title should be changed by appending "(Complete Novel)". This is described under Title->Serials and Title Type->SERIAL in this help section. I did approve the variant relationship for these two titles, but you'll need to change these to titles to SERIALs. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 09:08, 8 June 2019 (EDT)


Hi, I think you ought to read this before entering more errors in the ISBN field (like Barnes & Noble id nos.).--Dirk P Broer 20:02, 17 June 2019 (EDT)

So...Nook Books shouldn't be entered? MLB 21:53, 17 June 2019 (EDT)

Tek covers

Hi. I replaced the cover on Tek Secret with one having a slightly higher resolution. Jack Sjmathis 15:05, 23 June 2019 (EDT)

Hi. I replaced the cover on Tek Vengence with one having a slightly higher resolution. Jack Sjmathis 15:15, 23 June 2019 (EDT)

Okay, thanks. MLB 19:29, 23 June 2019 (EDT)

Asimov's Science Fiction, May-June 2019

Hi the listing for "The Doing an Undoing of Jacob E. Mwangi" seems to be a typo, it should be "The Doing and Undoing of Jacob E. Mwangi". So I'll change it if you don't mind. Thanks. gzuckier 23:14, 25 June 2019 (EDT)

Okay. Just got out of the hospital, so I couldn't right back to you. MLB 18:40, 27 June 2019 (EDT)

Ty Game in 2014

Hello, I think you are responsible for the addition of this? If, so, could it be that it is erroneous? I can't find any sign of the publication in the given source Dogpatch Press, and the Wikipedia entry states this as a 2018 title (not 2014). Can you take a closer look? Stonecreek 02:30, 30 June 2019 (EDT)

Okay, eliminate it. I was juggling several screens at once, and I must of mistaken this page for for the Ty page, as I entered both on this site at nearly the same time. Very sorry. MLB 03:22, 30 June 2019 (EDT)

I Will Follow to Eternity and Beyond

When the source is Goodreads, please do not forget to add the GR number to the record (we have an External ID for those). Can you find it again and add it here? Thanks! Annie 17:06, 12 July 2019 (EDT)

I stopped adding them when they stopped going anywhere. I'll add the only number that I can find. MLB 17:11, 12 July 2019 (EDT)
What do you mean? The GR ones are pretty stable in my experience. If you find one that does not lead anywhere even though you are seeing it, please ping me - maybe we need to change the way we build the URL? Annie 17:15, 12 July 2019 (EDT)

Zombie Bigfoot

"7 hours and 55 minutes, or 396 minutes in listening length." -- these two cannot be right at the same time here. 475 minutes is not the same as 396 minutes... :) Annie 17:32, 12 July 2019 (EDT)

Your right, where did I get 396???? MLB 17:36, 12 July 2019 (EDT)

His for the Claiming

Did you do an Edit by mistake here instead of Clone? Annie 18:12, 12 July 2019 (EDT)

Yes. Sorry. MLB 22:57, 12 July 2019 (EDT)
no worries. I rejected it and did a proper cloning so we are all set. Annie 12:34, 15 July 2019 (EDT)
Thanks. MLB 14:32, 15 July 2019 (EDT)


Does this author really has (I) in his legal name? Annie 15:51, 19 July 2019 (EDT)

The reason that I did that is because this Ron Fleshman started publishing in the nineties, and this Ron Fleshman was publishing fan art in the fifties, and I didn’t want them confused. Maybe I was wrong, feel free to correct if need be. MLB 16:02, 19 July 2019 (EDT)
We do not differentiate in the legal name - it is literally the person name. We can add a note to explain it is a different Fleshman - I will do that.
Now I know. Won't happen again. MLB 16:17, 19 July 2019 (EDT)
It is not a problem -- and done Annie 16:25, 19 July 2019 (EDT)

To the Dark Tower

Found the cover artist Lou Marchetti of this pub on artists website. --Zapp 18:02, 23 July 2019 (EDT)

Capitalization (and accents) variation in author credits

Hi. It's futile to try to make a title record that has an author credit differing only in capitalization or diacriticals/accents from an existing author record that is otherwise spelled the same. The software matches what you have provided to the existing entry -- despite those differences -- and uses the existing entry, essentially ignoring your variations. So the only way to have one title with LaDonna instead of Ladonna is to change the canonical author record to use LaDonna. Then all titles will have LaDonna instead of Ladonna. It's not currently possible to have some as LaDonna and others as Ladonna. I will take a look and see about changing the author record if LaDonna is predominant among the appearances of the titles we have. --MartyD 12:29, 11 August 2019 (EDT)

I edited the author record and changed it to LaDonna. --MartyD 12:38, 11 August 2019 (EDT)
Y'know, I wasn't trying to cause trouble, all I was trying to do put down her name as she lists it. Didn't know the trouble I was causing. Sorry. MLB 19:48, 11 August 2019 (EDT)
Oh, it wasn't any trouble. Just one of those ISFDB quirks that bites people, and it looked like you didn't know about it. --MartyD 06:33, 13 August 2019 (EDT)

The Wish List

In you credit the cover to "Keijiro Komine". Is this stated in the book? Can you add a pub note about it? I'd like to copy that information to other pubs with the same cover. --Stoecker 05:39, 18 August 2019 (EDT)

My health has been going sidewise for a while now and people have been shifting some of my stuff around, and during a recent hospital stay some stuff got really messed up. So, I don't really know where this book is. What I know is that Keijiro Komine is a real photographer and some of his stuff can be found on Getty Images. I also know that I wouldn't have listed Komine's name unless it had been mentioned in the book in someway. Until I find it I'll temp verify this book, although none of this answers your questions. MLB 18:21, 19 August 2019 (EDT)

"The Waters of a New World" submission

Hi. The submission I have on hold is presented as if the author is being changed, but it's being changed to the same author, so it's effectively doing nothing. I can't tell what you intended, so I decided to hold it and have you take a look in case something got lost. Thanks. --MartyD 07:25, 22 August 2019 (EDT)

No, my computer, stooopid computer, ate my first draft of this submission, so I quickly, and carelessly, did it a second time, leaving several mistakes in my wake. Most were corrected by the editor, but I mistakenly thought this author's name was not corrected, so I corrected a correction. Hardly a great mystery for the ages, but an explanation none-the-less. Hope this helps. MLB 14:16, 22 August 2019 (EDT)

Oriental Stories

Apparently it contained enough of our stories to have been considered genre and Miller/Contento added at last some issues to the checklists. So... guess it is one of ours :) Annie 17:44, 6 September 2019 (EDT)

Okay MLB 17:47, 6 September 2019 (EDT)
Thanks for adding all those reprints! We need them in the DB - although I did not need to know that they existed... :) Annie 17:48, 6 September 2019 (EDT)
Well, I'm not gonna read them all, but it's good to know that this part of early American puplishing is easily available to readers again. MLB 18:02, 6 September 2019 (EDT)

Protoplasmic Station

OK - I thought that we have the 2 separate reprint merged but apparently not. What are you trying to do here exactly? The unmerge you sent will split the short story into separate copies which is not what you are trying to do I think. The story is in one anthology here and one magazine. I know that some are reprinted twice - and these are in separate series the way you organize them but this one seems to have only one reprint. So... what are you trying to split from what? Annie 02:08, 7 September 2019 (EDT)

Same here - the "Thrilling Wonder Stories, April 1937" this one is the only publication on this title. You can change the series if it is wrong but there is nothing to split... Annie 02:11, 7 September 2019 (EDT)
Somebody tinkered with the Adventure House facsimile reprints and Pulp Tales Press Facsimile Reprints of the Thrilling Wonder Facsimile Reprints and combined them into one series (Thrilling Wonder Stories (reprints)). I was trying to keep things more organized. I created one series and carried on from an unknown editor with the other. I just want to put everything else in order. It's a bit tricky when dealing with magazines. MLB 02:37, 7 September 2019 (EDT)
So what I thought initially except in the wrong record. There are two problems:
Pulp ones and the Adventure ones are mixed in this series - so go through them and update the Pulp ones to get them out.
this one and this one were mixed with their counterparts so I pulled them out.
I will let you fix the series inside of the series and on these two. Maybe Pub Series would have worked better here but let's untangle and we will see after that. Annie

Editor Dates reminder

When you are making the yearly records for a magazine (the "Name - Year" naming), don't forget to fix the date as well - it should be yyyy-00-00 and not the month for whatever issue the record starts as. Thanks! :) Annie 17:42, 7 September 2019 (EDT)

Okay. Missed that. Still learning. Your job is entirely safe. For now. :) MLB 17:45, 7 September 2019 (EDT)

Renaming series

Moderators can rename series if needed - just ask on the Moderator board or on whoever is online's Talk page - no need to update a lot of publications if all of them just need to have the series renamed. Annie 02:46, 8 September 2019 (EDT)

Now you tell me. Anyway, thanks for the help over the last couple of days. I hope you're having a good weekend. MLB 02:50, 8 September 2019 (EDT)
Well, I approved them, figured I should mention there is another option. Had been hiding from the heat mostly. Hope you are feeling better  :) Annie 02:59, 8 September 2019 (EDT)

Open Letter to the World

Are you sure that this is a story? We have a same-named essay. Annie 22:46, 8 September 2019 (EDT)

I am such a NON-fan of this author, so I got sloppy. I'll fix. MLB 23:33, 8 September 2019 (EDT)

Jane Donawerth

Considering the volume of reviews, I think we should flip the canonical name of the author to the name used in this book :). Do you want to do it or do you want me to do it? Annie 23:30, 9 September 2019 (EDT)

Go right ahead. MLB 23:32, 9 September 2019 (EDT)
Done :) Annie 23:42, 9 September 2019 (EDT)
Thanx! MLB 01:21, 10 September 2019 (EDT)

Cloning back in time and contents

Just a quick reminder - when cloning to create an older edition, the contents of the book also need to have their dates changed. "Visionary II" for example seems to have all of its content original to it (so all internal contents match the date of the edition) - so when you cloned, it would have left the e-book with all titles after the pub date. And if the clone goes before an update, you need to do it one by one. So I changed all dates (via editPub - only 1 pub added so they could be changed that way in bulk) and then approved the clone) :) Annie 21:59, 15 September 2019 (EDT)

Now I know. I thought that if you changed the date on the book it automatically changed the date of the stories. Shows how little I know. Your job is still safe. MLB 22:05, 15 September 2019 (EDT)
Only if you empty the date fields so it can self-populate - then it gets it from the pub date. Changing the date of the anthology title record changes only that record. :) Annie 22:07, 15 September 2019 (EDT)

Weird prices

When you see a weird price like $13.21 and so on on a self-published or small press book, take a look at the other Amazons - UK, AU or CA. Usually it turns out that it is one of theirs and it has a nice round-ish price there. This one for example is a UK publication - so the price looks better in their currency. I changed it and updated your note with the details. Annie 22:09, 15 September 2019 (EDT)

Now I know. MLB 22:17, 15 September 2019 (EDT)

Small authors and all that

As you are working on authors very orderly, do you think that this may help you? Basically we have tens of thousands of ISBNs and ASINs that need processing - and Fixer can dump all he knows about an author in a list so an editor can work through them. Fixer also has ASIN only lists (no ISBN books) and I am sure he can also dump these if need be. You still may need to chase an edition or 10 but you will get a starting list. If you do not think that it will be helpful, no reason to participate but thought I should mention it. Fixer takes requests for authors/publishers if you are interested :) Annie 23:35, 15 September 2019 (EDT)

Due to my disability I can't always get to my own books. So, I decided to start adding the smaller writers to this site because nobody else was. I'll look at this list and see what I can do. MLB 00:17, 16 September 2019 (EDT)
You can also ask for a list for one of the authors you want to add (or find online or whatever) -- no need to work on a pre-existing list if nothing appeals. Annie 00:24, 16 September 2019 (EDT)

Typo in Nate Southard's Selected Stories?

Can you check the last word here (Bottle. Paper. Samuri.)? Because we have a story with similar spelling here(Bottle. Paper. Samurai.). I suspect that they are the same story? :) PS: I edited this one to capitalize "Is". Thanks for adding all of these! Annie 19:30, 16 September 2019 (EDT)

You're right. A typo. Will fix. MLB 21:24, 16 September 2019 (EDT)
Thanks! I merged it with its mate. I was actually just about to come ask you about the date update you just rejected - I had been fixing the dates before approving the clones (sorry, habit when I do not see a Title update in the queue - in case you wonder how the dates changed) and that one looked to be for the wrong book :) Annie 22:11, 16 September 2019 (EDT)

Lights Out pub date change

Are you sure about this one? Amazon supports the later date. Annie 02:11, 17 September 2019 (EDT)

Go here. MLB 02:16, 17 September 2019 (EDT)
Forgot to list Goodreads as a source. Sorry. MLB 02:17, 17 September 2019 (EDT)
Oh I see what I did wrong. Will fix. MLB 02:18, 17 September 2019 (EDT)
(as I was typing while you were figuring it out, I will leave it here anyway): But this GR record is for "Hardcover, Black Voltage Edition, signed limited to 60 numbered copies" and not the tp. GR still shows the tp with the 2013 date. Or am I misreading this? Looks like the one you have is ok, you just found another edition that needs adding. Isn't it fun sometimes? :)Annie 02:22, 17 September 2019 (EDT)
Isn't this one that you pointed out to me, this one? Not mine. This one was already here. MLB 02:41, 17 September 2019 (EDT)
Indeed :) I think we have them all now. Thanks for rechecking! Annie 02:49, 17 September 2019 (EDT)

Lady Dragon

You edited instead of cloning here so I rejected it after verifying that tp edition really exists. Annie 19:31, 20 September 2019 (EDT)

Future Dyke

I approved the renames based on Amazon and Worldcat as well but something kept bugging me and I went looking deeper. The author calls it FutureDyke on her FB page and the write up on her on Bella Books does not have a space. Neither do the Strange Horizon review: here and the Lambda awards nominees announcement. So I am starting to think that there is no space in there. What do you think? Annie 02:55, 21 September 2019 (EDT)

I don't know, but I guess that the author and publisher should be listened to before anybody else. You want me to change them? MLB 03:02, 21 September 2019 (EDT)
Nah, I will do it - I should have checked better before approving :)
The deed is done. I will also see if I can get my library to get me an ILL copy of that book (because they do not have it) so I can look at that title page (I really do not like mysteries like that) :) Annie 03:17, 21 September 2019 (EDT)

Possible typo

Here. Foreward or Foreword? Annie 20:11, 21 September 2019 (EDT)


Are you sure about this one? The cover looks wrong in both Amazon and GR for the e-version and the LCCN and OCLC are for the paperback, not the e-version. Annie 00:44, 23 September 2019 (EDT)

Okay here is the e-book and the paperback versions of the covers and I can't see any difference. Do you want me to delete the LCCN and OCLC? MLB 01:11, 23 September 2019 (EDT)
One looks black (the paperback one), the other one faded and/or grey to me. I usually change the link to Amazon between versions of the book even if they look exactly the same - using what Amazon had attached to that version specifically. This way I do not need to decide if they are the same - if it is there, it belongs to the book :)
For the LCCN and OCLC - yes - they do not belong to this book so they should not be in its external IDs. And looking at other editions in WorldCat, there is no OCLC record for the ebook at all. Annie 01:18, 23 September 2019 (EDT)
It's just a bad scan. But I'll change it 'cuz you're the boss. I'll fix the other stuff too. MLB 01:22, 23 September 2019 (EDT)
You are most likely correct :) But if we link to the same Amazon image and it decides to disappear (things happen albeit extremely rarely with these images), we will lose the cover for more than one book. :) Annie 02:01, 23 September 2019 (EDT)

A Matter of Degrees

Can you look at these (in the morning...) :) ? They share an ISBN, one is pb and the rest tp but with the same number of pages. It looks a bit weird. I will also check them again in the morning - I won't recognize a correct ISBN if it bites me at the moment anymore... :) Annie 02:47, 23 September 2019 (EDT)

Well, first of all this one is not mine. I couldn't track it down, but somebody had a reference for it, so I left it alone. MLB 03:31, 23 September 2019 (EDT)
This one is copied from here and here. MLB 03:31, 23 September 2019 (EDT)

Deserted Echo

Updated the publisher for this one from Sapphire Books to Sapphire Books Publishing - we already had 9 under Sapphire Books Publishing and Fantastic Fiction also has the publishing and the rest of her books are under that name (Although this is straight from Amazon so who knows). We can always swap the publisher name if we ever see a title page and see how they call themselves... :) Annie 19:12, 1 October 2019 (EDT)

Okay. Now I know. MLB 23:27, 1 October 2019 (EDT)

Demon within

About that last rejection. Apparently an earlier update went awry - the new date was in the pages field. :) once I saw it, I edited and readjusted all dates. Should be looking all done now. Annie 07:17, 2 October 2019 (EDT)

Cover design vs Cover artist

Hi Mark,

The current practice (and the help page - see the last sentence in the Artist section) is to record the cover artist (if any) in the Coverart record and the cover designer only in the notes (So no artist, no coverart for that specific book). This one seems to have only a credit for a design, not for the art (unless I missed it somewhere)

And yeah - we do have enough designers all over the place but if discovered by a PV or someone checking, they get ejected and asked to vacate the premises... :) Annie 00:58, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

Ummm, the page that you've directed me to, was my page. Nothing personal towards me, but Mark Louis Baumgart ain't no artist, and I ain't saying that to hurt my own feelings. MLB 01:07, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
How did that happen and what did I click on/copied while passing through your main page in wiki to get to this one - I swear, my mouse pad has a mind of its own. This is what I was going for... :) Annie 01:21, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

Changing dates

When trying to re-date a complete book (with contents), doing just this is not enough to change the contents dates. Every item that already has a date keeps its original date (unlike the case when you are adding a new publication and we populate automatically).

What needs to be done is to edit every field which has the old date and put in a new date (next to the cover image if any and next to each content item). If you look at the edit screen, see all those "2019-09-02" in the contents section? They all need changing. I restored the date to the publication itself (because the paperback is on the second, it is the only date that does not need changing :)

If I approve the clone now, then we will need to update each of these titles one by one. So I will keep the clone on hold for now - would you like to try to submit the complete PubEdit and then I will approve the clone after that. Alternatively I can do the complete PubEdit this time and you can just keep that in mind for the future. Annie 18:11, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

Please stop. You do NOT need to update every title separately yet. Please read what I explained above and let me know if it is not clear so I can explain again. When an anthology/collection has only 1 publication and its stories are not reprinted, you can change the date of the complete contents with 1 edit. I will approve what you are doing now but at least look at the alternative I am offering.... Annie 18:48, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
I think that I misunderstood. I'll cancel what I've done, and change what you want. Let's hope I get it right this time. MLB 18:55, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
Sorry about that - I tried to explain as well as I could... That was almost perfect. You missed one - the collection Title record itself - after the publication is created, the publication and the title are separate entities with separate dates. I fixed that now (see this submission so now I can approve the clone. Thanks! :) Annie 19:07, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

Touch of Shadow

Hello again,

Did some changes to this one - see the last note in the list and the new series name. Feel free to edit again if you want. I have no idea where Amazon pulled the original title from "Touch of Shadow: A Baylee Scott Paranormal Mystery: October" (the October part is nowhere on the title page...). Annie 18:25, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

I suspect that Amazon often lists products early, and when the final product is available they don't bother changing the pre-production proofs. I'd like to know why books often have two different covers, one on Goodreads and one on Amazon. MLB 18:40, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
With e-books, sometimes it is because it was reissued silently... With paperbooks - sometimes either Amazon or GR has a much earlier record and it never gets fixed. Between small presses and older books, you will see everything (as you know...) :) Annie 18:45, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
Then there are those print-on-demand vanity presses that seem to revise contents, or change covers on a whim! Aaaarrrrggghhh! MLB 18:48, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
I've been adding some smaller authors lately as well so yeah... it is a nightmare. The modern days of publishing I guess. :) Annie 19:10, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

Time for another archive?

Can we archive the older messages from this page? The thing is getting too long (I know, I am to blame mostly) :)

Let me know if you need assistance with that! Annie 19:56, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

Okay. I am embarrassed to state that I've forgotten how to do it. MLB 21:15, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
Do you want me to give you the step by step or to do it for you? Or both? :) Annie 21:27, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
Step by step, I have to know how to do it. MLB 21:29, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
  • Open a new page for the archive. The easiest way is to go to your old archives and open the last one. Then look at the browser address bar. Your latest ends up in "2016Jul-Dec" (this one. Change that last part 2016Jul-Dec to something else. 2017-2018 for example. Or whatever you want it to be called
  • It will show you the "There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page title in other pages or edit this page." message. Click on "edit this page".
  • In a separate browser tab or browser, press Edit on your main talk page (which will open this. Now move all the messages you want from this one into the one that we opened before. Leave the very first line in place (as it points to your archive page).
  • When you are done moving messages, save both pages. Use "Show Preview to make sure it looks as you want it to.
  • Now get to your main archive page here and press Edit at the top
  • Copy the very last line one more time at the bottom and edit it: Now the last component is "2016Jul-Dec Archives: January-June 2017". Replace "2016Jul-Dec" with whatever you typed in the first step and the thing after the : is for your reference soup to you
  • Save this one and you are all set.
If something goes wrong we have revert so we can easily restore and try again and I am here if you need me :) Annie 21:57, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
It took a while, but I think I got it. MLB 02:08, 4 October 2019 (EDT)

The Ghost and the Cigarette: An Anthology

I would usually drop "An Anthology" from such titles but if you keep it, it is treated as a subtitle - so first word is always capitalized. Fixed it here :) Annie 23:42, 4 October 2019 (EDT)

Somebody did a real bad job on Spells and Jinglebells, I tried to correct much of it, but I made some fresh ones. Will correct them if my submission is accepted. MLB 00:08, 5 October 2019 (EDT)
Approved and fixed a few I saw. All yours again. Annie 00:18, 5 October 2019 (EDT)

Has Anyone Seen My Brain?

This title made me smile every time I saw it in the queue tonight... :) Thanks for that! Annie 02:38, 7 October 2019 (EDT)

 :). MLB 02:39, 7 October 2019 (EDT)

The Collected Supernatural and Weird Fiction of Hugh Walpole: Volume 1

Are you sure about the series name change here? It will make it different from the publisher name. Thanks! Annie 21:17, 7 October 2019 (EDT)

That is a typo. Sorry. MLB 00:42, 8 October 2019 (EDT)
Approved for the contents and restored the series name. Annie 01:27, 8 October 2019 (EDT)


Look inside on this one shows a separate ISBN for the e-edition so I added it after you removed the printed one. Annie 18:59, 8 October 2019 (EDT)

Dead: Revelations

Are you sure that this is not the same as this (with the different cover as seems to be usual for this publisher's records...)? Annie 23:46, 14 October 2019 (EDT)

I'm sure of nothing. All I know is that one was published before the other and has a different cover. One could easily be a pre-publication mock-up and then the publication date was changed. But the page count is also diffent, but font size could easily account for that. Do what you will. Self-published book publishers--meh! MLB 01:04, 15 October 2019 (EDT)
damned if you do, damned if you don't :) Approved it -- guess we will consider the "pre-pub" or whatever and not just wacky first day of the month used as a placeholder :) Annie 01:06, 15 October 2019 (EDT)


We have this very nice Import function that allows you not to type and then we do not even need to merge all those titles :) Signed: Your friendly neighborhood merging moderator :) Annie 22:54, 15 October 2019 (EDT)

MOM! MLB 23:20, 15 October 2019 (EDT)
Okay, I'll do that. MLB 23:20, 15 October 2019 (EDT)
Thanks! With anthologies and collections looking up all stories takes awhile (and I usually end up typing and merging unless there are a lot of them and easily reachable) but with omnibuses, the titles are right there :) Annie 23:55, 15 October 2019 (EDT)

Dead: The Geeks

Before I forget to mention it again - I had been adding the Audible ASINs to the audible books you are adding, such as this one. Annie 04:07, 16 October 2019 (EDT)

Thanks for adding them in the new books you are adding now :) Annie 22:22, 16 October 2019 (EDT)

The Dead Universe

Now you have 2 series at #1. Planning to move one of them elsewhere? Annie 04:59, 18 October 2019 (EDT)

Four in the Hole

Do you have a wrong image or a wrong artist here? Thanks! Annie 23:24, 18 October 2019 (EDT)

**BANG**BANG**BANG** That's me banging my head against the wall. Now my head hurts. I've fixed the mistake. Sorry! MLB 23:29, 18 October 2019 (EDT)
Ouch. Poor wall :) No worries :) Second set of eyes and all that :) Annie 23:32, 18 October 2019 (EDT)

Price for Chivalry Is Dead

Are you sure that the price here is indeed $2.99? Copy/paste mishap? Annie 22:50, 21 October 2019 (EDT)

Uhmm, well shucks ma'am, ya caught me. I cloned from the e-book edition, and forgot to change the price. The book is out-of-print, so I removed the print pricing. MLB 00:20, 22 October 2019 (EDT)

Devildog Press

You found a book by this publisher that is not by Mark Tufo? :) Interesting :) And I fixed the capitalization of "A God in a House of Crosses" after I approved it. Annie 20:22, 28 October 2019 (EDT)

Like May December Publishing, Devildog Press may have started out as a vanity press and then just branched out to other authors. MLB 22:29, 28 October 2019 (EDT)
Most likely :) Still surprised me. Annie 22:57, 28 October 2019 (EDT)

Brimstone Bride

Hi, as you are the sole PV, could you check this omnibus' publisher? I suspect that Harlequin Nocturne is a pub series, rather than a publisher. My guess is it should be just Harlequin. If not, perhaps some clarifications in the notes may help :) Thanks! MagicUnk 17:45, 31 October 2019 (EDT)

Fixed. MLB 00:22, 1 November 2019 (EDT)

Doctor Death, February 1935

Can you check this one? Seems like we have some stories twice? Annie 20:07, 5 November 2019 (EST)

Just did it. MLB 20:15, 5 November 2019 (EST)
Thanks! :) All approved and the ejected empty stories were mopped up. Annie 20:23, 5 November 2019 (EST)
I suspect that this is work in progress so I will let you finish it but just so we do not forget it: if we have different editors, we need to split the editor record. :) Annie 20:46, 5 November 2019 (EST)
Go to this page, and this page for further verification
So we need Mowre on both issues plus the editor. Are you changing them or do you want me to? Annie 01:24, 6 November 2019 (EST)

Moving the conversation

Hi, Do you mind if I move your post from the Help page to the Moderator's page? Thanks! Annie 12:15, 12 November 2019 (EST)

Go right ahead. I don't care. Multiple times is intentional. MLB 12:26, 12 November 2019 (EST)
I hope you stick around - despite the hiccups lately. Or give the DB a chance once we resolve the hiccups. In any way - thanks for all the work you are doing - we do not say thanks nearly often enough around here. Annie 12:32, 12 November 2019 (EST)
These weren't hiccups, they were intentional actions that destroyed hundreds of hours worth of work. MLB 14:10, 12 November 2019 (EST)

The Reprints series

I've had an idea - posted over in the moderator forum. Can you look at it and let me know what you think? Annie 15:00, 17 November 2019 (EST)

Wordage thing? Annie 21:05, 17 November 2019 (EST)
The arguements over wether or not a 175 to 200 plus books are really novels. I've had a number of novels wiped from the databank because the moderator decided that novels weren't novels. Which is one of the reasons you haven't seen much of me lately. MLB 22:48, 18 November 2019 (EST)
If they were in the DB, they should have been just converted, not deleted (and I suspect they were). If they were rejected on addition, then yeah - they never made it to the DB. I have it on my list to go and save (and re-add) all of those rejected if they are not in the DB. And as we saw, one of the rejected turned out to be very comfortably over 40K no matter how anyone tried to count so... I have some questions on how exactly he counts in some cases. But that is for another conversation.
As for the bigger question here: I would approve it and then change it if I do not think it is a novel (especially if not verified; I will always talk to the verifier if there is one). Most moderators would do the same. Let's the dust settle on the rest of the issues (we are having a bit of a split-novels problem at the moment on top of everything else) and I will be bringing that up as a moderator policy question. Annie 22:56, 18 November 2019 (EST)
On the reprints - unless someone voices an objection, I will get these organized over the weekend. As you are a PV, you will see all the changes -- just yell if you see me doing something stupid. :) Annie 22:56, 18 November 2019 (EST)

Update on the moderation process

A quick update, which will hopefully clarify where we stand with the recent problems.

  • I have discussed recent issues with moderation with Christian. He has re-committed himself to following consensus when editing ISFDB records/guiding editors and to following other ISFDB rules and guidelines like not changing existing series organization without prior discussion. I will keep an eye on things to make sure that we don't have problems going forward.
  • I apologize for my lack of oversight of Wiki discussions. My health hasn't been that great the last couple of years and I was spending my shrinking "ISFDB man-hours" primarily on Fixer and on software development. In retrospect, it was a mistake. I should have been paying more attention to Wiki discussions. Again, my apologies. I will try to do better in the future.
  • Going forward, if I and other moderators miss problems during your Wiki-based discussions with the reviewing moderator (which is always possible given the number of submissions and Wiki posts these days), please don't hesitate to bring them up on the ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard. As I wrote the other day:
    • If an editor believes that a moderator is not treating him or her in a "supportive and friendly way" and/or not enforcing the rules and the consensus correctly, s/he is encouraged to raise the issue on the Moderator Noticeboard. It will be reviewed by other Moderators. If necessary, it will be escalated to a "bureaucrat" who can impose administrative sanctions to ensure that all moderators follow the consensus and treat editors fairly.

Please let me know if you can think of other ways to improve the process and thank you for all of your contributions! Ahasuerus 16:00, 20 November 2019 (EST)

Honestly, I hope you are doing better. Put your health first. I've been enjoying the benefits of my local hospital for the last three weeks, and future two, myself. This is why I seem to be snubbing ISFDB. I'll try to be more cooperative when I'm free. MLB 08:21, 4 December 2019 (EST)
Take care of yourself, MLB! I hope you are feeling better and that the visit to the local hospital helps. Annie 11:03, 4 December 2019 (EST)

Paul Di Filippo

Hi, It's Paul Di Filippo, with a 'i' in 'De' and with double 'pp' in 'Filipo'. I had to correct each and every instance of Paul Di Filippo in last Asimov’s Science Fiction, just as I corrected Samuel R. Delaney to Samuel R. Delany. Please take more care when entering content.--Dirk P Broer 20:21, 11 January 2020 (EST)

I blame nobody but my own stupid self. I apologize. MLB 20:28, 11 January 2020 (EST)

Terror Cell

Hi, You were at least partly right with 'Terror Cell' being a CHAPBOOK: I splitted the title record into a COLLECTION (for the original 2016 357 page record, that appears to contain five novellas) and two CHAPBOOKs for the 2018 records.--Dirk P Broer 20:41, 11 January 2020 (EST)

Okay, thanks. MLB 20:48, 11 January 2020 (EST)

Wonder Stories -1950 /1963 (and perhaps 1957 as well)

Hi, I hope you can help me, as you just entered a 'Wonder Stories' reprint: I have a submission on hold for a 1950 Thrilling Wonder Stories, where the submitter claims that the art used in 1950 for 'Shadow on the Sand' is not the art as used in the 1963 reprint. I know it is a long shot, but you may have access to both sources -I have only the link a supplied by the submitter to the 1950 version.--Dirk P Broer 19:04, 5 February 2020 (EST)

Found the 1963 (and 1957!) Virgil Finlay here, so the submitter is right.--Dirk P Broer 20:03, 5 February 2020 (EST)

Haunted America: Star-Spangled Supernatural Stories

For your verified Haunted America: Star-Spangled Supernatural Stories, can you please double check a couple of credit? The Internet Archive scan has some differences from ISFDB record:

  • page 150: The ISFDB credit is Joseph Lavinson, but the scan shows Marvin Kaye on the title page
  • page 360: The ISFDB credit is Fritz Leiber, but the scan shows Fritz Leiber, Jr. on the title page

Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:18, 15 February 2020 (EST)

Just got back from another two week fun stay at my neighborhood hospital. Correcting the Leiber story. My copy has Marvin Kaye on both the title and contents page for the Lavinson story, and Kaye admits to being Lavinson. C. H. Sherman has only appeared in Kaye's anthologies and is described as an actor. Maybe another Kaye pseudonym? MLB 18:42, 21 February 2020 (EST)
Thank you for checking. Since we credit per the title page and the title page has Marvin Kaye for the first story, I have changed that one also. I hope you are feeling better & will be staying away from the hospital. My best wishes to you! -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:32, 21 February 2020 (EST)

To the Sun? / Off on a Comet!

Posted also at User talk:Holmesd#To the Sun? / Off on a Comet! --Pwendt

Hi. You are one verifier of this novel (or omnibus) in its 1960 Dover ed./printing P257555. (The slash in both titles was "spaced" last hour, probably by the moderator who approved my correction/extension of its Notes, User:Dirk P Broer.)

[1] Let me draw your attention to Amazon US/UK records of this edition with cover images and leave it to you two whether to replace the image that we now link.

Note: A shows both "$1.75" (as $) and "49 illustrations" on the front and "T634" is not legible but believable on the spine. B shows both "1.75" (no symbol) and same text on the front. US states "import" and UK does not. If the price is £1.75 that must be some time after the UK change to decimal, which the report of ISBN also suggests.

By the way another dealer provides a third cover illustration/design, "large clear type", with "£1.40" either printed or affixed to upper left:

[2] From our publication record I infer that the Dover republication does not include preface(s) by translator Edward Roth.

[3] You report two interior title pages that suggest subtitles "A Journey Through Planetary Space".
Evidently those pages display the full titles of the 1st eds. LC catalog records as 1878 imply that: [3], [4] (both created 2011 perhaps from secondary sources) and [5] (created 1901). Compare the one 19c title page that I find online (two copies): t.p. and t.p., where the latter image of LC copy is pencilled "1895".
--Pwendt|talk 18:25, 23 February 2020 (EST)

I would suggest that you add some of this to the notes, or link this note to this listing. The fact is, I had checked this book out from my library on an inter-library loan, so now I can not verify or non-verify your new extensive information. Sorry, I just can't, that's why I'm a transient verifier. MLB 19:31, 23 February 2020 (EST)
Thanks for your prompt reply. Now I see you are both Transient verifiers, which I missed yesterday. --Pwendt|talk 11:48, 24 February 2020 (EST)
I still have access to some images from my transient copy and will try to work through this with Pwendt. We'll keep the discussion on my talk page (link above). ../Doug H 14:50, 24 February 2020 (EST)

Hi again, MLB. For the standalone publications of the Roth translation as "To the Sun?" (1878 and 1879 reprint now in the database) and "Off on a Comet!" (1878 and 1976 reprint), I have submitted extension of the title to include subtitle A Journey Through Planetary Space --which library records report (and HathiTrust image shows for the 1895? re-issue with identical page-count).
This affects your Transient PVerified record of the 1976 Aeonian Press edition P438268. I cite this notice to you of the subtitle issue (and may do so again) in Note to Moderator. I suppose I will say "general notice to the Transient verifier" and not further update here. --Pwendt|talk 21:29, 24 February 2020 (EST)

Novelettes Eligible for the 1941 Retro-Hugos

Hope you are doing better :)

Just a reminder that we have an Import function - so instead of typing the title and then merging post-approval, you can look for the story and import it instead thus eliminating one step per story (yes, I know, looking for the story is not always trivial:) ). Either way works, import just reduces the possibility of typos and the like (and the number of submissions) :) Annie 17:22, 25 February 2020 (EST)

Tales from the Pulps #5

I added several letters and an essay to the December 1936 issue of Weird Tales which is reprinted in your verified Tales from the Pulps #5. You may want to import the contents from the original issue to pick up the additional items. I will note that the Coming Next Month essay I added is on the inside front cover. I know that the Girasol reprints of WT omit the inside covers. If Pulp Tales Press omits these too, you'd want to remove it after adding all the new content. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 10:17, 8 March 2020 (EDT)

There is no "Coming Next Month" feature in my facsimile reprint, but I have added the letters that you have added to the original. MLB 21:13, 8 March 2020 (EDT)
I don't know if you followed this recent discussion regarding letters to the editor. The outcome of the discussion is that editors can now add all letters if they choose. Consequently, I've been making another pass on Weird Tales adding letters that hadn't been added previously. I just added several letters to the above issue of Weird Tales and as before, if you'd care to add the missing letters, you can import them from there. If you do, I'd also recommend deleting them all from your pub first, so you can pick up the sorting with the import. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:57, 26 June 2020 (EDT)

Roar #10


Amazon e-books and ASINs

Just a reminder - when you are adding an e-book from Amazon, don't forget to add the ASIN :) I added it here. It makes it easier for someone to find it later and less likely to have a duplicate record :) Annie 15:36, 9 March 2020 (EDT)

'The Extreme Horror Series'

Hi! I wonder where the information on that series comes from. I have taken a bit of time to search, but found no source. Do you have information at hand? Christian Stonecreek 03:17, 10 March 2020 (EDT)

It might be a self-imposed series but I saw it here: here MLB 03:21, 10 March 2020 (EDT)
Thanks! I have approved of the submissions. Christian Stonecreek 03:31, 10 March 2020 (EDT)


Hi, with no proof that this publication actually exists and no evidence for its actual title type, it seems better to delete it. (The only known publication seems to be a serialization at wattpad). Christian Stonecreek 08:58, 17 March 2020 (EDT)

So wattpad as a publication source doesn't count? MLB 09:02, 17 March 2020 (EDT)
I'm not saying its a good book. It's not for me to judge. Just being complete, to see the book you can go here. I have a feeling that you're going to see more of this in the future. This is the second author that I've run into that has serialized their books first on wattpad. MLB 09:09, 17 March 2020 (EDT)
I'm not arguing with you on this, if you're right, then you're right, I just need the rules that's all. Just trying to be complete, in a digital age, is all. MLB 09:38, 17 March 2020 (EDT)
Well, you only state that it was serialized at wattpad, so it appears that there's no book / ebook edition of the whole thing in one publication. You also stated that the actual length is unknown, so it might also slot in as a SHORTFICTION. Do you have any additional hard information? Christian Stonecreek 10:09, 17 March 2020 (EDT)
Nope. Just the serial on wattpad. Of course, being a serial, serials are rarely published in complete form during their intitial publications. Still, wouldn't the same rules apply to this as to other e-publications? Again, not arguing, but just looking for a hard and fast rule to look at? Perhaps I should just list some notes under her nate until it sees a "hard" copy. MLB 14:01, 17 March 2020 (EDT)
Of course the rules apply - but with entering this one, we'd state that there does exist a stand-alone, all-inclusive publication. Please don't rely on Goodreads or Wattpad if you don't have further evidence of an existing publication: a 'cover image' doesn't necessarily mean that there is a corresponding publication, it might mean a serialization or a (possibly) upcoming publication - somewhen in the future, but it might as easily be cancelled. And a date of publication set to 'unknown' for new publications will most likely mean just that - if you don't have it at your hand. I'll delete this one. Christian Stonecreek 00:40, 18 March 2020 (EDT)
Alright. I'll keep this in mind the next that I come across something like this. Honestly, I don't even know what wattpad is. MLB 01:54, 18 March 2020 (EDT)
Per description it is not a publisher but a publishing platform, analogous to Amazon's CreateSpace. So it seems more fitting to ascribe the publication to the respective authors / editors. Christian Stonecreek 03:18, 18 March 2020 (EDT)

Bella Sara


You had verified the first two books in this series. I would like to do the following for both:

  • Change them to chapbooks - they are too short for novels - look inside shows 25 lines per page, less than 10 words per line (plus illustrations and shorter pages) and the ebooks come as <80 pages.
  • Mark the titles as juvenile (as they are children books)

As your verification is before the juvenile flag and probably before the chapbook, I suspect that this should not be a problem but if you disagree, please let me know (and I will leave them alone for now). I stumbled on the series because Fixer found some reprints of the later books :) Annie 16:51, 26 March 2020 (EDT)

Gee, do those bring back memories. Yeah, go ahead. Change them if you so wish. Thanks for letting me know. MLB 23:06, 26 March 2020 (EDT)
Yeah, working through the vaults of Fixer sends me in all kinds of directions. I will change these then :) Annie 23:36, 26 March 2020 (EDT)
And while fixing those, I found a cluster of LCCNs in notes that escaped all my patterns - some of them verified by you. So heads up - a few notifications coming while I am moving these. Annie 23:50, 26 March 2020 (EDT)
Do what you have to. Hope you are feeling well in these times. MLB 23:59, 26 March 2020 (EDT)
Other from getting crazy from staying at home (thankfully I can work from home so there is that...), I am doing fine. I already had a pneumonia this year, just before the madness hit so... let's hope I do not have a second major health issue in my near future. Stay safe - I know that you had been unwell lately so I hope you are safe. Annie 00:11, 27 March 2020 (EDT)


Added an interior art record, a catalog no. and some more details to the Note for our verified C.O.L.A.R.. Thanks. PeteYoung 18:07, 28 March 2020 (EDT)

Verification request: author David Dean in Ellery Queen's Mystery Magazine, December 2013


You have this pub permanently PVed . so I'm wondering if you're possibly able to help me with a question?

I've been adding the nominees for the Kitschies award, and one of the 2018 art nominees was a "David Dean". It looks like we currently have 2 different people of this name under the same author record

I'm sure these are 2 different people - an artist who graduated university in 1999 seems unlikely to have been writing short stories in 1992 - but as a relative newbie to ISFDB, I'm - perhaps naively - assuming that part of the point of PVing pubs is to be able to chase up things like this? Any chance you can check that pub to see if it has any biographical notes for "David Dean" that might confirm these are indeed two different people?

Another of this author's stories is PVed by Don Erikson here , so I'll pose a similar question to him.

Thanks! ErsatzCulture 09:57, 31 March 2020 (EDT)

I'll see what I can do. MLB 20:09, 31 March 2020 (EDT)
A quick google has shown me that there are two different artists going under the name of David Dean, and both have completely different styles. So there's that. And while it wouldn't be the first time an author and an artist held simultaneous jobs, witnes Angela Waters, I don't think that's the case here. I'll ask Dean who has a listing at Goodreads, about this, but don't hold your breath. On-the-other-hand, for now, if you want, you can seperate them by having one as David Dean and the other as David Dean (I) and explain to the moderator as to why. I'll do some more checking as see what I can find out. MLB 20:40, 31 March 2020 (EDT)

A Dialogue of Terrors: A NoSleep Collection

Did you mark this one juvenile on purpose? PS: I fixed a couple of titles based on Look inside :) Annie 13:39, 8 April 2020 (EDT)

This was the third time that I did this one, what did I do wrong this time? And I still have more to add. [6] is what is found on Amazon. MLB 14:10, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
By the way, I think a chapbook can have a different title than the short fiction inside, as they can be two different things. Much like the title of a book. One moderator says no. Is there a rule about this.? MLB 14:15, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
Amazon's age groups are messed up sometimes. This one is not children or even YA for me so I would not mark it Juvenile. The change I did was a move of the ? from one title to another (see my comment here).
For the chapbooks... depends. If the book has the title "My Special Christmas" on its title page but the story inside is called "Christmas Story", they will be different of course. But I would not make them different for series names -- the series go on the story only; if it is a chapbook level series then it will need to be pub series. Hope that makes sense. Annie 14:31, 8 April 2020 (EDT)

The current set of rejections

Sorry about them but as explained in the firs one, approving them would have created the incorrect series (with the word Book at the end) which after that I had to delete (after doing an edit anyway to clear the word from the titles). So I rejected them and just edited the titles based on how you had edited them. I had been caught in this when copying series from Amazon as well so if it pings as "unknown series" when you know you added the earlier, check for "Book/Novel" at the end of whatever you are trying to add :) Annie 16:51, 22 April 2020 (EDT)

'Rise of the Black Dragon Book'!!! OMG! I'm so embarassed. This is what happens when you rush. I had a medical emergency and just cut'n'pasted everything. Holey Moley, I must look like a cretin. I apologize. MLB 00:22, 23 April 2020 (EDT)
Not at all - I’ve done that more time than i wish to admit. :) I was just too lazy to go delete the series in addition to the edits so just rejected and edited instead. :) I hope the emergency had passed and everything is ok Annie 00:29, 23 April 2020 (EDT)

What Lurks Behind Real


Do we really want "Books" at the end of the series name here? Annie 18:45, 27 April 2020 (EDT)

I dunno. From what I can gather from reading the book descriptions the three Club Cain books have been extensively revised from each other. I am uneasy variating them with each other, but they are not part of a series either. Should I list them as a series, and then put notes, in each submission explaining the changes? The rules for extensive revisions such as this seem to be either loosely defined, or loosely enforced. I'll abid for whatever you decide. You're the boss. MLB 22:34, 27 April 2020 (EDT)
Nah, leave them as they are. I would have called the series "Club Cain" but what you have is also fine. They are definitely not variants. Add a note to the series explaining that these are revisions and that's the best we can do :) Annie 22:37, 27 April 2020 (EDT)
Okay. MLB 22:40, 27 April 2020 (EDT)

Kalelah Series

Hello. Is there a particular reason the Kalelah Series is called that, instead of just 'Kalelah'? If I recall, we generally do not add 'Series' to a series title. Regards, MagicUnk 13:06, 2 May 2020 (EDT)

It's called "The Kalelah Series" on Amazon. But, I just shortened it, shorten it some more if you want, or I can do it later. MLB 19:13, 2 May 2020 (EDT)

Continue Online


Would you mind if I cleanup the titles in this series? It was started weirdly at the beginning so I let it continue this way while approving yours but it had been at the back of my mind to review it. Under our current practice, these really should be simplified - series name not to be part of the title (plus it makes it look cleaner...). I do not want to step on your toes or make more work for you so I will do the work - but wanted to make sure you are fine with it. Unless I am missing a really good reason to have them this way? Thanks! Annie 21:40, 6 May 2020 (EDT)

Ummm, no, you're fine. I didn't originally enter this author, I'm just adding to his page. I'm just continuing with what was done before. So, go ahead. You're the boss. MLB 21:44, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
I know - as I said- the initial entry was added that way so when you started adding more, I noted it for myself but did not say anything on naming - you are keeping it uniform. :) Give me a few minutes before you make any more clones in this series. Will let you know when I am done. Annie 21:48, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
Alright: Time to make my supper anyway. MLB 21:54, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
All done - you can have the author back :) Sorry for not fixing it earlier and thanks for working on these authors. :) Annie 22:01, 6 May 2020 (EDT)

A Correspondence

About this one: Was he credited in the book? If not, then we will create a parent with the two authors instead of editing the book content. Annie 03:56, 10 May 2020 (EDT)

I don't know what I was thinking. You're right. The second author wasn't credited on the contents page which is all I had to go on. MLB 04:25, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
Make a parent and add a note that we do not have access to the title page of the book so going strictly off the contents page :) Annie 04:29, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
I hope this clears up everything. MLB 04:37, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
All I had to do was to approve the two new ones and reject the old one. All set. Thanks! :) Annie 04:39, 10 May 2020 (EDT)

Jules Verne translations

I have been documenting the various translations of Jules Verne's works and trying to identify a piece of text from each translation so editors can position their publications under the correct title record. You are on record as a primary verifier for one or more publications for which I am looking for text or which are placed under a generic translation title. I would be grateful if you could assist in this by checking your copies, as listed below, and providing the initial text for missing translations or an indication of the translation for those unspecified. These are listed on the Jules Verne Translations wiki. Thank you. ../Doug H 14:31, 10 May 2020 (EDT)

Well, you didn't pick the easy ones did you? The Amazing Stories is where I can't readily get at it, and I'm not sure where the other two are. There has been a lot chaos in this household recently. I'll try to find them, but the Amazing Stories reprint is the same as the original. I'll try, but I can't guarantee anything right now. MLB 20:03, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
I've been at this for 2 years now, a few weeks won't matter. And I did think that Jules Verne wouldn't be that hard. ../Doug H 21:59, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
Have you SEEN my house. It's not the books, it's where they are. I can't drive and they may be in storage. MLB 22:26, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
The Mysterious Island was listed as transient, although it sounds like it may not actually be gone, just migrated to secondary (or tertiary) storage. I am thankful, at least you got the books into the database. ../Doug H 23:26, 10 May 2020 (EDT)

The Reality Contagion

Hi, I suspect you've made a copy-paste error here - could you check that publication again, specifically the cover art link that is the same as for Badwater (it shouldn't) and submit any corrections? Thanks! MagicUnk 13:18, 14 May 2020 (EDT)


Hello. I have your submission on hold since it seems the ASIN is incorrect (I get an error message). Perhaps you meant audio-asin? Could you check? Thanks! MagicUnk 13:17, 17 May 2020 (EDT)

This author has a problem with his submissions. He downloads his books, withdraws them, then he downloads them again with new covers. They might even be revised. Hell, I don't know. In the case that you mention, this is an early audio download, different company, different cover, and a different narrator. I assume that this was once sold on Amazon, but was superseded by the next version. I've seen this before. ASIN probably worked once, but that copy is now gone, so it doesn't function. But this will happen again with even new books, especially ones whose parent publishing company goes out of business. Because the ASIN doesn't work now, doesn't mean it shouldn't be listed, I think, but what do I know. I'll leave it up to you. MLB 13:47, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
Move the ASIN to the notes (using the template), and make an accompanying note summarizing what you said above, and all is well :) (I've approved your submission) MagicUnk 13:53, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
Alright, just give me a minute to clean up my mess. MLB 14:05, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
This author is giving my hemeroids their own hemeroids. I now have a headache, and I need to lay down. I hope this submission is all up to snuff. MLB 14:16, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
Guys, even if Amazon removes the book, the ASIN is a valid identifier for the book and should be in the ASIN field if it belonged to the book. Goodreads is a very good place to find and confirm those dead ASINs (and these then allow to connect elsewhere). You may add a note that it is not on amazon anymore but if we pull it from the field every time amazon removes a book, we may as well stop recording it at all. Annie 16:16, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
An interesting topic. Annie is right: when Amazon deletes an ASIN -- which they do quite frequently these days -- Goodreads usually preserves the ASIN and its data. I wonder if we should add Goodreads as another "supported site" to the ASIN External ID Type. It would use the ASIN value to link to Goodreads using URLs like where "B07NJQVSLL" is the ASIN. We already display a dozen country-specific links for ASINs. Another one wouldn't make a difference. Ahasuerus 18:21, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
This actually sounds like a great idea - and will solve the problem of invalid links. Annie 18:25, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
Y'Know, I'm just a lowly editor, shouldn't this discussion be moved to another page? I do know that I've had my submissions deleted/rejected because of dead ASINs. MLB 19:45, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
And they should not have been - whoever rejected and deleted those has a bit of a misunderstanding of how Amazon works with ebooks. :) Discussions tend to start somewhere - and most changes happen because we all notice something is off. As your work was influenced by it, it started here. I will move it over to Community as soon as I am on my computer. Annie 20:10, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
Mom said I'd always be trouble. :) MLB 20:16, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
In this case, blame Amazon :) MagicUnk 14:55, 18 May 2020 (EDT)

Steel's Fate

I am confused about this one. Amazon on this ISBN leads to this one which we already have and you have a "• Publishing data from as of 2020-05-20.". So something does not compute. You either need to cite a different source or there is something else different here... Annie 02:37, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

Checking it out now. MLB 03:24, 20 May 2020 (EDT)
Okay, the ISBN to Steel's Fate is 978-1733188050, I must of miscopied it from the previous book in the series. I'll fix it if you okay the submission. MLB 03:34, 20 May 2020 (EDT)
I'll do one better - I replaced it and removed the GR number that was also for the other book. I think it looks fine now. By the way, even though they work, the BN number is not really needed if we have a regular ISBN as well - the ID was mainly for their 294- style ISBN-like thingies. But as it works, no worries. :) Annie 03:38, 20 May 2020 (EDT)


Good evening,

You have the wrong cover here - for the wrong book. Thanks! Annie 22:46, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

Good evening to ISFDB's best editor yourself. I'm deleting the whole mess, it's redundant. After untying this literary publication's publication history, I'll try for something easy, like world peace, or creating a chocolate with no calories. MLB 23:03, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

Thirteen Stories by Us

I am not sure what is going on tonight but I had never had to do that much repair work on your submissions as I had to do with this one. It looked as if you added the stories and then forgot that all the other book details were from the previous one you submitted (and tracking that book was not that easy...). All fixed I think but give it another look just in case. :) Annie 00:13, 22 May 2020 (EDT)

You should not have to do that much work. Next time just make me do it. MLB
You added the stories and I know how much of a trouble that is - I would have rejected and asked you to redo it without them but did not want to lose all the work already done. So I fixed the rest :) If there was more than one of those, I would have come and asked you to fix it but fixing one once in awhile won't kill me. Just stopped by to give you a heads up that you need a break (or a cup of tea or something stronger) before you do the next. All is good. :) Annie 02:16, 22 May 2020 (EDT)

One of your submissions

I had to hard reject one of your clones (ASIN: B075KQJ2KN, Goodreads: 52705319, Title: Trunk Line) as someone approved a merge and the ID that was used did not exist anymore. You may want to resubmit. Sorry. All the details are here if you want to copy from it (I think non-moderators can see that - if not, I can pull the data for you) :) Annie 22:06, 24 May 2020 (EDT)

Same for Goodreads 45010883, ISBN 9781549733864, XML dump. Annie 22:07, 24 May 2020 (EDT)
Uh, guess your job as a moderator is quite safe from me :/. I re-did the submissions from scratch, and here's hoping that I got them right this time. MLB 23:02, 24 May 2020 (EDT)
Nope, that one was not on you - they were ok when you sent them - they just got invalidated when someone did a merge after that - either as a result of a previous submission OR based on a cleanup report or finding it by chance. It happens now and then. If it was a new editor, I would have redone the submissions for them but as you are always around, I figured I can stop by and ask if you would want to redo them :) Annie 23:21, 24 May 2020 (EDT)

Odyssey, Summer 1976

Hi, the cover art of Odyssey, Summer 1976 is attributed there on the contents page to John B. Gaughan, and it does look like Jack Gaughan's work. This art is also shown in your PV'ed Black Gate, Spring 2007, is it really attributed there to John Schoenherr? Horzel 15:46, 26 May 2020 (EDT)

Your right, I mistyped. I'll correct. MLB 21:24, 26 May 2020 (EDT)

This evening's new books

Good evening,

How is the invention of no-sugar no-fat no-anything unhealthy milk chocolate that does not taste like cardboard coming along? :) I approved all your standing submissions but had to do some changes:

  • Your template talks about Goodreads as a source but when there is no record in GR, it really does not need to be in the notes.
  • Missing ASIN in the first one and one migrated down into the field - I know it is not functional but as we discussed earlier - it is still a valid ASIN and we use it for things like Fixer deciding which books we already have or an editor deciding if the book they are holding is one of the books we have or they need to add. And we can add more links later - so a note that the book is not available in Amazon at the time is fine but let's have the ASIN in its field if it belongs to the book. :)
  • Series name need to go into the title. Under the current policies, "Vim: A Watcher's Gift Novel" belonging to a series called "Watcher's Gift" gets just the title "Vim". While the long one is technically not wrong, chances of it staying that way and not getting cleaned sooner or later is not very big so I just fixed it before any cloning. :)

I think I got all updates cleared but look through the links and sources again while cloning/finishing the author. The notes on Edit History explain all changes if you need to look up something. Thanks! I am around if you have any concerns/questions. Annie 00:37, 27 May 2020 (EDT)

Old habits are hard to break. When I first started to edit for this site, it was hammered into me that if it is put into the title, and then printed on the title page, it MUST be put into the title field. I'll try to be more diligent in the future. Ditto for the ASIN. My invention of this new type of chocolate is having as much success as my broccoli flavored bubble gum had. MLB 00:58, 27 May 2020 (EDT)
Well, the broccoli flavored things failing needs to be counted as a success... :)
No worries for the rest - I will keep nudging you (and fixing silently occasionally). The way that helped me learn that specific rule was to think on how the title line will look inside of the book when it is approved.
  • "Watcher's Gift: Vim [Watcher's Gift • 1]"
  • "Vim: Watcher's Gift Book 1 [Watcher's Gift • 1]"
  • "Vim: A Novel of Watcher's Gift[Watcher's Gift • 1]"
and so on just looks cluttered and redundant;
  • "Vim • [Watcher's Gift • 1]"
looks much cleaner. Might not work for you as an explanation but... just sharing in case it is useful :) Annie 01:13, 27 May 2020 (EDT)
Surprise!!! I agree with you 100%. MLB 01:15, 27 May 2020 (EDT)

Asimov's Science Fiction, April-May 2015

Hello again, your "favorite" moderator bugging you again (hey, see, it is not even evening yet) :)

Can you pull your issue and verify a note for me? A new editor posted the following question: "This issue is supposed to have a missing first page of short story "Tuesdays" on page 9, which is said to have been missing in the previous issue. There's an ad for a book on page 9 and I see no evidence that there was actually a missing first page in the previous issue, which is listed there as part 2 of 2. Please check, to see if I'm missing something."

Can you check what your issue looks like? Do we have different printings or something else is going on? Thanks in advance! Annie 14:40, 27 May 2020 (EDT)

I'm gonna have to look around for it. Give me a little time. MLB 16:59, 27 May 2020 (EDT)

Far Boundaries

Good evening,

For small changes such as here where you are adding "No contents page", use the moderator note as a notification - instead of saying there "will notify", just describe the change in the moderator note. This way the PVs (all of them) can see the change in their "Changed Primary" and see your note there and anyone checking "Edit History" later can see what was added exactly. If you insist on also notifying the PVs on their pages, be my guest :) Annie 00:54, 3 June 2020 (EDT)

Well, aw shucks, Annie, I just didn't know. Now I do. I'm rightly sorry to have put you out. MLB 04:48, 3 June 2020 (EDT)
I am just trying to save you some time and effort (so you can add more books instead - see... I always have an agenda).:) Annie 04:51, 3 June 2020 (EDT)


When adding non-US editions, please use the currency of the country where published vs. the US currency from Amazon. In the case of INFETTO, I was able to pull it from since it was an Italian edition. If the original is not easily found, you can just leave the price off. Also, for translations, the translation credit also needs to be in the title record. When doing a new pub entry like this, you can add it in the title notes field as part of the submission. That will save an edit later. Let me know if you have questions. Thanks for submitting all the many pubs that you have been doing. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:14, 3 June 2020 (EDT)

If I can ask, why the all CAPS in this title? We normalize the case of titles and I see no indication that this is not the standard "use all caps" on almost any cover in any language. Annie 17:31, 3 June 2020 (EDT)
Because I was careless with my cut-n-pasting, I corrected it in one of my later edits. MLB 17:35, 3 June 2020 (EDT)
Ah, okey. Sorry - just saw a weird title and came asking. :) Thanks! Annie 17:47, 3 June 2020 (EDT)
I fixed it in the publication and cover as well (once created, all 3 need fixing) and added the note that the price came from Annie 17:49, 3 June 2020 (EDT)

Non-English editions - additional data

While approving your non-English submissions, I had been updating the notes (mainly translators, prices and similar items) and capitalization where needed (the only one that needs every word (minus the list) with a capital letter is English; German needs nouns capitalized; almost any other language follows sentence case -- and Goodreads not knowing the translator for example does not mean native stores and sites in the language do not :) Just heads up. Annie 16:19, 4 June 2020 (EDT)

Now I know. Sorry about the sloppiness. I should be doing better. MLB 20:29, 4 June 2020 (EDT)
At least you trying to add them so all is good :) Annie 20:38, 4 June 2020 (EDT)
By the way, I was born on June 5, 1958 why is my birthday listed today, on the fourth of June? I know dates can be unreliable, I was awfully young at the time of my birth, but I'll take my mom's word on this. She had reason to remember, I was a difficult birth. I was always trouble, I guess MLB 20:41, 4 June 2020 (EDT)
Timezones - it is the 5th in UK (GMT - computers have an affinity to this time zone). Although our servers are on the US East Coast so we may have found a bug (or intended behavior). It says the 5th on your profile. :) Annie 21:00, 4 June 2020 (EDT)
The question that should be asked is "When did I get so old?". Seems like just yesterday I was only twenty and ready to take on the world, and now I'm an old man who puts his socks on the wrong feet. :0 MLB 21:07, 4 June 2020 (EDT)
Happy birthday (should be the 5h anywhere in the continental US) :) Have a wonderful year :) PS: I am told that 60 is the new 20 - just (sometimes) less broke and (very rarely) more mature. :) Annie 03:04, 5 June 2020 (EDT)
Thanks. :) MLB 13:05, 5 June 2020 (EDT)

(unindent) Thanks for reporting the issue! I'll take a look. Ahasuerus 21:28, 4 June 2020 (EDT)

Bug 753 has been created. It's not a straightforward fix, so it may take some time to get it resolved. Ahasuerus 09:08, 5 June 2020 (EDT)

Innocent Survivors

Just wondering what you,mean to say with your note on ISBN number here? Bit puzzled as there's no ISBN for this ebook record MagicUnk 03:05, 7 June 2020 (EDT)

I meant the ASIN number. Mistake made eye. Will fix. MLB 03:13, 7 June 2020 (EDT)


Hello. I have your submission on hold since I suspect it already exists - have a look here. I also noticed a typo in the author name Bokerah Brunley --> Brumley, and title 90 Seconds --> Ninety Seconds. Regards, MagicUnk 13:26, 9 June 2020 (EDT)

Somehow I messed up with all the books in this series. See here. You can delete or correct. Personnally, I'd delete. I blame nobody but myself for this mistake, but I wash my hands of these books. And the contents page that is online sez 90 Seconds. If there is a verifier, then his work takes precedence, but, for me, it's time to move on. Sorry for the trouble. MLB 17:23, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
Hey, no worries. Don't feel bad, you're doing great work! I'll reject your submission then. Regards, MagicUnk
Notes, GR ID and order copied from the rejected entry into the copy we had -- thanks again for all the work on it. No point losing it by just rejecting :) Annie 01:01, 10 June 2020 (EDT)

Duplicates again

Before adding a book, try to search for the ISBN and/or ASIN in the DB -- this one was already on the DB. As the old one did not have the stories I approved yours and deleted the old one but please, add the "check the ASIN/ISBN" to your standard routine or you end up with situations like the other day :( As a rule, in cases like that we do nor delete the pre-existing publication - people may have links to it here on the site or outside of it... most times I will approve the duplicate, import from it into the old and then delete the new one. Annie 04:29, 11 June 2020 (EDT)

It also had the wrong author, which is why I couldn't find it. I'm just getting sloppy in my doatage. MLB 04:35, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
That's why I am proposing to search for the ISBN/ASIN as well :) Annie 06:41, 11 June 2020 (EDT)

Employment Interview with a Vampire


This is one very confused record.

  • Based on the date, it is GR 20558267
  • Based on the publisher, it is GR 15718901
  • Both of them show 28 pages, you cite 56.
  • There was also funny capitalization -- (With A) had to be changed to (with a) :)

Can you sort out which of the two records you meant to add with this one (as both exist and our record in the middle is a mix between the two...) and correct the publisher or date, add the correct GR number and sort out the length. Thanks! Annie 03:11, 12 June 2020 (EDT)

This whole series is confusing. Amazon lists six ebooks, and Goodreads lists five or six books, and the titles and plot descriptions don't always match. All I can do is list the various versions and let the primary, if one ever turns up, sort things out. Meanwhile, I'll look at the above. MLB 03:50, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
Okay, the 56 number comes from the Amazon version. The dangers of flipping back and forth between the sites. I'll correct. MLB 04:00, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
Approved and I also fixed the publisher as you kept the date - the Endeavor Writing one is the other one. Annie 04:08, 12 June 2020 (EDT)

The Vampire Hunter Comes To Call

Your only source Goodreads has the publisher for this submission as "J. Bennett" Can you please let me know where did you come up with "Endeavor Reads" from - either you need to cite another source or the data needs to match your sources. Additionally, you missed to add a story and you left "To" capitalized - I know it is easier to just copy but look over the capitalization before submitting, please? :) I can fix all of those post approval - once we sort out that publisher thing. Annie 04:12, 12 June 2020 (EDT)

Some of her books are published under the Endeavor Reads imprint, and some, usually the same edition, the difference merely being the ebook version and the print version, so I thought to standardize the publisher. But, you're right, I'll go back an change it. I usually do change the capitalization, but my dumb brain doesn't seem to be working correctly. MLB 04:36, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
If you are changing a publisher based in assumptions, they need to be in the notes :) Approved and added the story and fixed the publisher and the capitalization. You are probably right on the publisher but that needs to be explained in the notes ("Goodreads credits the publisher as J. Bennett but as Amazon credits the Endevour books from the same time by the same publisher the same way, publisher changed to..") or something along these lines. Annie 04:41, 12 June 2020 (EDT)

The Vampire's Housekeeper Chronicles: Volume One

You will need to resubmit your clone of The Vampire's Housekeeper Chronicles: Volume One. You submitted merges of the contents prior to the clone. Once that merge was approved, the clone is no longer valid as the contents no longer exist. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:07, 19 June 2020 (EDT)

The Vampire's Housekeeper Chronicles: Volume One

I'm holding this submission. As far as I can see, this is a duplicate of this pub. Am I missing something? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:38, 1 July 2020 (EDT)

No, looks like I cloned the wrong thing. I will delete. MLB 19:47, 1 July 2020 (EDT)


For Adventure, Markwood has suggested the title be changed to Adventure, Vol. 1 since that is what is shown on the title page. Thoughts? -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:31, 14 July 2020 (EDT)

Sweet day in the morning, as my grandma used to say sometimes, she also taught everybody in the family to swear profusely, but we won't go there, I don't even remember this publication. If Markwood wants to change it, I'm all for it. I bow to his greater wisdom. See, I'm easy to get along with. MLB 19:02, 14 July 2020 (EDT)
Change made. Thanks! -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:20, 14 July 2020 (EDT)

Veiled Eliminators Bundle 1 / Crimson Realm Chronicles Bundle 1

For this import and this import, it doesn't look like the imported contents are correct. The imports are bringing in parent titles credited to Angela Waters. However, the publication is credited to Taryn Jameson. It looks like the Taryn Jameson variants should be imported instead unless the publication credit is wrong. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:22, 21 July 2020 (EDT)

My bad. I believe I have corrected the mistake. MLB 21:59, 21 July 2020 (EDT)

Good Job, Henry

Regarding this edit: It looks like the proposed parent title is the same as the current title. Am I missing something? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:03, 25 July 2020 (EDT)

No, you missed nothing, I did. I corrected. It seems that this title came out briefly, then was canceled, and then reverted to the old title. Sorry. MLB 11:43, 25 July 2020 (EDT)

Strange Stories, February 1939

I have approved this submission, but I am a bit confused by the first sentence in the Notes field: "Facsimile print-on-demand reprint of the first issue, and the February 1939 of this science fiction pulp magazine." Is there a word missing between "February 1939 of" and "this"? "Issue", perhaps? Ahasuerus 17:50, 28 July 2020 (EDT)

Allan Quartermain

The pub notes for Allan Quartermain state "Misspells Quatermain's name as Quartermain on the cover". This implies it is correctly spelled on the title page. However, the title is entered with the misspelling. Does the note need clarification or title entry incorrect? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:14, 28 July 2020 (EDT)

Also, please check the "Being and Account" as believe that should be "Being an Account". Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:45, 28 July 2020 (EDT)

I can fix one, but not the other right now, as the place where that book is stored if forbidden to me for a while. As I live alone, and have some trouble walking, my immediate family would frown on me stumbling, and tumbling down a flight of stairs. Give me a while. MLB 22:56, 28 July 2020 (EDT)
No problem. There is no hurry. I suspect that it was an error in an original version that was just cloned multiple times. I've fixed the ones I could positively identify as being wrong (either from other verifiers or Internet Archive scans). We're just down to a couple now, but it's been with us for quite awhile. Not going to hurt anything being there for awhile longer. Thanks! -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:46, 29 July 2020 (EDT)

Audiobooks and maps

When cloning to create audiobooks, don't forget to leave unchecked the "interior art" checkbox on the clone screen -- they cannot have illustrations and maps (and if they do, notes need to be added to that effect somewhere :) ). I removed the map from this one and a few more while approving - so just heads up for the future. Annie 05:01, 29 July 2020 (EDT)

Thanks: Haven't seen you around for awhile, glad to see you're okay. MLB 15:58, 29 July 2020 (EDT)
A bit of work related stuff keeping me away from the site and when I had time for it, there were some urgent tasks to finish so I was rarely looking at the queue. :) Annie 16:51, 29 July 2020 (EDT)

Deadly Descendant (Jenna Black)

  • Self-Extraction doesn't occur in all copies: a normal [1]2–355 pagination seen in PV.

    Deadly Descendant (Jenna Black)

    In my copy of [[7]] the pagination is normal. I was about to add the following to the notes, but decided to touch base with you first.

    Self-Extraction doesn't occur in all copies: a normal [1]2–355 pagination seen in PV.

    It Seems possible that your copy is just a messed up manufacturing, but I'm not sure if I should clone your copy, or what. --GlennMcG 19:59, 29 July 2020 (EDT)

    Well, it seems possible that I may have a collectable item. The thing is, if yours doesn't have the self-extraction, just clone, but leave out the extract. MLB 22:43, 29 July 2020 (EDT)

    Ghosts & Scholars #26

    I made some changes to your verified Ghosts & Scholars #26, entirely to conform to the earlier issues of this pub. I've recently acquired the entire run of 33 issues and have been working my way through them. If you want to reverse my edits, feel free to do so. By the way, did your copy have "Haunted Library News, June 1998" laid in? [User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:19, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

    In response to your first question. No offense, go right ahead, make mine conform to yours. In response to your second, I got my issues from a second-hand source, and so, no "Haunted Library News". (***sob***).
    Ghosts & Scholars was a great magazine wasn't it? Still missed after all these years. MLB 20:54, 2 August 2020 (EDT)
    Interesting stuff, indeed. I understand a 'zine of the same name started up in 2019 with issue #34, but I haven't seen one yet. I was fortunate to get Hugh Lamb's copies, so I'm not sure if the "Haunted Library News" that are laid in were supplied with the 'zine or obtained separately and put in by Lamb. There are also some postcards and notes from Pardoe in several issues. Bob 23:21, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

    Ghosts & Scholars #29

    I made more of the same kinds of changes to your verified G&S #29. You had scanned the covers, but never loaded the new scan onto the pub! That threw me a bit when I saw two names for the cover art. Bob 15:20, 3 August 2020 (EDT)

    Well, excuse me. Stick your head out the nearest window. That's not thunder you hear, but me banging my head against a wall. :) MLB 21:34, 3 August 2020 (EDT)
    Wow!! You really do sound like thunder! Bob 16:42, 4 August 2020 (EDT)

    The Torch

    I had to reject this edit. For serialized works, we date the parent with the date of the first book publication, not of the serialization. The logic behind this is provided at Template:TitleFields:Date. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:29, 9 August 2020 (EDT)

    You'll have to forgive me if I say this rule makes no damn sense at all. There are novels that have been serialized and never put into book form, and novels and short stories that have been revised/altered from one printing to the next. Does each deserve a new copyright date? I'll accept this 'cuz I'm just a peon, but when a book appears in print is when a book appears in print. Still, time to move on.
    I only brought this up because I'm reading the novel now. MLB 21:04, 9 August 2020 (EDT)
    You are not the only one who think that this makes no sense at all - but it has to do with the dawn of history and the beginning of the project and a decision being taken to treat them this way (thus having our "first edition date" match the "standard" first edition date - aka - the date of the first book form). If it is the same text, it is the same text but oh well - we do what the community had (and is still seem to have) agreed on. Annie 21:44, 9 August 2020 (EDT)
    Maybe time for a rules discussion? It never made any sense to me either... We have some conventions that are holdovers from the way things were captured in early genre bibliographies and it may be one of those. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:54, 10 August 2020 (EDT)
    Let's wait out August (vacations and all) and I am all for starting the discussion. Especially because that has bearing on where the novel appears in the bibliography page when you order chronologically... Annie 16:59, 10 August 2020 (EDT)

    Shadow's Torment

    Regarding this edit: We already have a publication with the new ISBN here. It has a different cover, but when I follow the link to Amazon, it shows the same cover as the one you are editing. Do you know if the existing record is a valid one? Or is this another case of a misleading Amazon cover and we have a duplicate entry? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:17, 17 August 2020 (EDT)

    Okay, I am responsible for everything this woman has done on this site. I keep track of the authors that I add to this site and she's one of them. I've been updating her works and she keeps reprinting her books under new titles and covers, and it looks like she's done it again, but now her books have different covers and and a different author's name, plus a different page count; bigger letters and larger margins, or were the books revised? Who knows? I can only list what I see on Amazon. Until somebody primary verifies these books we may never know. I try to do my best, but Goodreads was no good in this case either. It may be a case of "Harlan Ellison Syndrome" in which the author is constantly revising their works. Again, I don't know. Some authors can't settle on a definite version of their works. MLB 20:52, 17 August 2020 (EDT)
    Yeah, non-traditional publishers are not always kind to us bibliographers. They are not as concerned with edition & printing statements, reusing ISBNs, etc. I approved the edit. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:32, 18 August 2020 (EDT)

    Across the Universe: Tales of Alternative Beatles


    Can you check this one. Is the first author "Andrandee Dawn" or "Randee Dawn"? Thanks! Annie 01:22, 1 September 2020 (EDT)

    Yes, yes. The September/October issue of Analog seems full of typos. The author listed in review credits is Andrandee Dawn. I should have caught that typo. Sorry. MLB 15:19, 4 September 2020 (EDT)

    A Bubble Burst

    Yesterday you changed the date of this title to 1903-05-00. The title record however is a variant of this record, and according to our rules (third bullet) variants are dated on "the earliest known date when this variant record was published", in this case 2017-06-02. The parent record already has the 1903 date. Thanks, --Willem 14:46, 4 September 2020 (EDT)

    Goodnight vs. Good Night

    Hello. Could you have a look over here, as an editor wants to update the title of a pub you've verified. I'm inclined to accept, but could you confirm the change is OK with you? Thanks! MagicUnk 17:32, 4 September 2020 (EDT)

    Changed it. Must have been a subconscious typo. MLB 17:56, 4 September 2020 (EDT)
    Thanks for the confirmation! As an aside, I updated the pub so that the pub title, contents title, and art title could be updated simultaneously-only one edit needed instead of three (more economical :), hence the reject. Regards, MagicUnk 14:13, 5 September 2020 (EDT)

    Ark Liberty

    I've added cover art credit to Ark Liberty since that artwork is featured on page 15 of David Mattingly's artbook Alternate Views, Alternate Universes (the signature is hidden under the publisher's red bar). Susan O'Fearna 17:27, 15 September 2020 (EDT)

    Thanks. MLB 18:59, 15 September 2020 (EDT)

    Edit to Armor of God

    I'm holding this edit. Your edit would effectively delete the paperback edition. Did you perhaps intend to clone this rather than update? Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 09:49, 16 September 2020 (EDT)

    No. Doctor's appointment. Check it out later. MLB 11:47, 16 September 2020 (EDT)
    Meant to clone. Egads, sir, will do it right this time. MLB 15:58, 16 September 2020 (EDT)

    Ride the Star Winds

    I'm trying to change the cover artist credit for Ride the Star Winds -- the book itself (and the amazon look inside) says cover art by Stephen Hickman, but the art appears on Alan Pollack's website (under Science Fiction) and I pm'd Steve on FB and he says that isn't his art! Susan O'Fearna 14:14, 16 September 2020 (EDT)

    Okay, change it if you wish. MLB 15:57, 16 September 2020 (EDT)
    Hi. There are now two COVERART records for this pub. I've asked Susan here to remove the wrong one, and add a note to explain the artist mixup. Could you have a second look in your verified tp and confirm that the coverart artist has, indeed been credited to Stephen Hickman on the copyright page of your copy? Thanks! MagicUnk 13:57, 22 September 2020 (EDT)
    This publication is now in storage where I can't get at it, but this screen grab is what I went by. However, if Steve Hickman claims that it is not his, I can only think that he was commissioned for a cover then Alan Pollack's artwork was used instead, but the book credit's were never changed. However, if Susan claims that Alan Pollak is taking credit for this, and it's on Pollak's website, then I'll take her word for it. This just sounds like a publisher's mistake. MLB 18:42, 22 September 2020 (EDT)
    OK. Thanks for the confirmation. Regards, MagicUnk 01:26, 23 September 2020 (EDT)

    Asimov's Science Fiction, July-August 2020

    Hello, could you confirm that the story title in Asimov's is indeed spelled as 'Nic and Viv's Complusory Courtship '? Ie complusory instead of compulsory, or is it a typo. Thanks! MagicUnk 15:32, 18 September 2020 (EDT)

    This must of been a typo, my copy has the correct spelling. Corrected. MLB 20:34, 18 September 2020 (EDT)
    Thanks for the confirmation. MagicUnk 06:26, 19 September 2020 (EDT)

    Wisps, Spells and Faerie Tales

    Hello. I have your submission for an update of Wizard Fight on Sixth Street on hold, as I noticed something odd in the publication record of Wisps, Spells and Faerie Tales; the ASIN & Goodreads link to the correct publication, but the contents as entered in the ISFDB does not match the contents as shown by LookInside on Amazon. Looks like a mistake happened with the contents of the pub? Could you have a look? Thanks! Regards, MagicUnk 14:54, 21 September 2020 (EDT)

    To make a long boring story short, but no less boring. My computer has a tendency to not switch to a new page, but to go to a new page and still keep the old one also. It did this again, and I got the two ebooks mixed up. I believe it is corrected now. MLB 15:47, 21 September 2020 (EDT)
    In case you're curious, here's a screen grab of the table of contents of the poetry section of the April 2009 issue of Kaleidoscope. MLB 15:52, 21 September 2020 (EDT)

    Sparkly Badgers' Christmas Anthology: In Aid of Avon Riding Centre for the Disabled


    Had to hard-reject the clone for the ebook on this one - a merge killed one of the titles. Can you please resubmit? Thanks! Annie 14:09, 28 September 2020 (EDT)

    Sure. MLB 16:56, 28 September 2020 (EDT)

    Those variants

    What exactly are you trying to do with this variant and the others like that? It looks like you are creating empty parents which are exactly like the child record? What are you trying to achieve? Annie 10:13, 6 October 2020 (EDT)

    Well, it seems I'm responsible for this: there must have been a crossing of actions. I found on the artist's webpage the credit and transformed 'May Dawney Designs' into 'May Dawney', while you, Mark Louis, seem to have submitted your part simultaneously, resulting in a not meaningful varianting. Christian Stonecreek 11:30, 6 October 2020 (EDT)
    Hold on a second. Am I missing something here? We had a credit based on the Look Inside of the actual book (primary source) and for some reason we transformed it into a credit based on a site (secondary source). This should had been handled with a variant -- we go by the book when we know what it says, not based on the secondary sources (and from there the canonical name of the artist as it is a secondary source). Not that I like the "Design" author names but this "change" sounds backwards to what we are supposed to be doing... and the title page of the actual book does use that name. Annie 12:01, 6 October 2020 (EDT)
    When I entered both names, they were based on Amazon's Look Inside feature. I just listed what I saw. Much like putting a Phd or something similar behind a person's name. MLB 17:44, 6 October 2020 (EDT)
    Or this. I don't make the rules, I just follow them. If a person lists their name one way on one book, and then they list it another way on another, it's not up to me to change things. I'm just a lowly editor here just followin' them there rules already set down. MLB 18:23, 6 October 2020 (EDT)
    MLB, I was agreeing with you on this one and questioning Christian's fix (and asking if I am missing something in it). By the time I got to your submission, he had already changed the names inside of the records -- thus making your variants non-viable. Annie 18:29, 6 October 2020 (EDT)
    Weeeellll, okay, just asking. I'll let it go just this once. You're forgiven. Heh. ;) MLB 18:36, 6 October 2020 (EDT)
    Hmm, in the early years of mine I was told that we should credit artists (and authors) - that is: human beings - whenever possible, and the corporate 'May Dawney Designs' stands for May Dawney as per her website.
    This is possible for art credits, where we try to credit the actual artists even when they are miscredited or not credited at all. Christian Stonecreek 23:15, 6 October 2020 (EDT)
    And if that is your reasoning, two things should have happened - a note should have been added to the publication that is changed indicating the actual credit (instead of just deleting information sourced from the book directly - secondary source can be used to correct information from the book if it is wrong but a note is mandatory when that happens - the way you left the publication sounds like the book itself had no credit) and there should have been a discussion about that with the editor who added the original credit, not to mention the list of moderators who approved them - you are doing the same thing again - changing things to look how you like them even if everyone else seems to think otherwise. Shall we take that whole conversation on how we want to credit in this case to R&S as this site is supposed to work in such cases instead of having a single editor making decisions on his own against the apparent consensus and without discussion? Annie 23:59, 6 October 2020 (EDT)
    I did add according notes to the publications. As written above it wasn't my idea to use the credit: the initial impulse most likely came either from Bill Longley or Michael Hutchins, who were very helpful in my early years at ISFDB. The way of crediting works of art is usual. Just look at the recent detective work of Susan (O'Fearna), Hyju or Horzel, so it was done totally in line with the apparent consensus. Christian Stonecreek 03:12, 7 October 2020 (EDT)

    (unindent) As far as I can tell, there are three separate issues here:

    1. What do we enter in the Cover Artist field when the cover art is attributed to a corporate entity like "May Dawney Design"? I don't think this issue is currently covered by Help. The last Rules and Standards discussion -- at least the last one that I can find -- was in May 2015 and was inconclusive. The main problem with using "May Dawney" instead of "May Dawney Design" is that it's entirely possible for "May Dawney Design" to have additional employees (temporary or permanent) or outsource some orders. This is probably a bigger issue now than it was in the past because of the proliferation of self-publishing and assisted publishing arrangements which outsource different tasks. We may want to revisit the issue on the Rules and Standards page.
    2. If we enter a Cover Artist name which differs from what is stated in the book, should we document the differences between what the book says and what our record says in Notes? I believe the answer is an unambiguous "yes". In this case the Note field says "Cover art credit from the artist's website", but it should be expanded to say something like "Cover art credited to "May Dawney Design" on the book's title page. According to May Dawney's web site, she is responsible for the art attributed to "May Dawney Design", so the ISFDB record credits her as the cover artist, ."
    3. If an editor makes the change described in item 2 immediately above, should he or she use the publication record's Edit History to find the other editors who have worked on the publication and notify them? The answer is definitely "Yes" with a capital "Y". This is very important and the main reason why Edit History pages have been implemented over the last year. Making a change is only one part of the puzzle. Making sure that other editors understand why the change was made and agree with the reasoning behind it is even more important. If they don't understand the reasoning or don't agree with it, they will continue to do things differently. Then we'll have different editors using different data entry standards and/or stepping on each other's toes, wasting everyone's time and generating needless conflict and frustration.

    This goes back to our earlier (2019-2020) discussions re: communications between editors. Please -- please -- make sure to communicate your changes to the other editors who have worked on the same records. A project which lets multiple editors change the same records can only succeed if the editors communicate with each other. Ahasuerus 16:05, 7 October 2020 (EDT)

    Thanks for the input: I have changed the notes. The way it is now definitely makes things more clear. Christian Stonecreek 06:50, 8 October 2020 (EDT)

    Kaleidotrope, April 2009

    Were the 5 records at the bottom of this one really called "Kaleidotrope, April 2009" or was there a copy/paste mistake? :)Annie 15:28, 21 October 2020 (EDT)

    The website gives a group credit for the artists but does not identify which pieces of art illustrate which story. Until somebody with a copy can say what goes where, I just treated them pieces of unnamed pieces of art. I see that I misidentified several as short stories instead of illustrations. I'll go and fix that. MLB 15:35, 21 October 2020 (EDT)
    Ah, that explains it then :) I was really wondering about these 3 stories. Annie 15:52, 21 October 2020 (EDT)

    Virgil Finlay Card Set

    I did get the card set you found on etsy, and finally entered it into the data base. Bob 12:14, 24 October 2020 (EDT)

    If I can ever cough up the money I'm gonna hafta buy a set. Thanks for letting me know. MLB 19:54, 24 October 2020 (EDT)

    Omegaverse lawsuit links

    Hi. I have your submission on hold as I don't think these links belong in the Omegaverse series record as these links are about the lawsuit, not info about the series themselves (I think). I'm inclined to reject your edit. Do you have any objection? Regards, MagicUnk 09:00, 26 October 2020 (EDT)

    I do think that they are about the Omegaverse. They go through what the series, and what the sub-genre is about. Especially since the author is trying to sue everybody because she believe she invented the sub-genre. This is like E. E. "Doc" Smith trying to sue every other writer for writing Space Opera. In the end, it also deals with other authors that might end up on this site someday. Myself, rape and rape fantasies are offensive, but it is a form of speculative fiction. If you still wish to reject, I won't put up a fight, but these YouTube videos tell more about the genre and the author's books than a few tags would do. MLB 11:51, 26 October 2020 (EDT)
    Okay. As I didn't sit through 2+ hrs of youtube, I'll rely on your summary. Approved. Regards, MagicUnk 15:44, 26 October 2020 (EDT)
    I'd add at least part of this explanation in the notes :) Annie 15:58, 26 October 2020 (EDT)

    I Am Eden [2]

    I had to reject this merge. Both records were from the same publication. Looking at the Internet Archive scan, the two figures are different so the second record should actually have been a [3]. I have edited the title accordingly. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:29, 31 October 2020 (EDT)

    Okay, sorry about the mistake. MLB 10:32, 31 October 2020 (EDT)

    Redwall / Jacques -- 16th printing PV

    Your PV of [8] has a cover image [9]. However when I attempt to upload a cover image for the 1st printing record [10], it warns that I'd be overwriting your image.

    Differences (of mine to yours):

    • Much lighter blue for edge background elements, verse, and illustrations.
    • $4.50 price
    • "Printed in U.S.A. on back lower right, running vertically.

    I'm not sure how to proceed. Thoughts? --GlennMcG 15:06, 1 November 2020 (EST)

    Every printing has it's own image number, I think, so if you're trying to download a new image to another printing you shouldn't have any problem. I don't know, maybe you should list this question on help page, questions usually get good results there. MLB 19:45, 1 November 2020 (EST)
    Or your friendly neighborhood moderator can drop by and help :) The 16th printing file name should have been RDWLLPWRNK0000.jpg. The image BKTG06967.jpg belongs to the first printing. So most likely when the 16th printing was created, the cover was by mistake added to the first and then just linked to the 16th (or something along these lines). You can see here that it links to the 1st printing from Avon from 1990-00-00. So in order to untangle:
    • MLB reuploads his cover to the proper place and changes the link into the 16th.
    • Glenn then overwrites the existing image for the first and adds the link to the 1st.
    • Annie deletes the old image from the 1st printing.
    If any of you have any questions, please let me know. :) Annie 20:00, 1 November 2020 (EST)

    The 2020 Look at Space Opera Book

    I approved your clone of the above pub, but the cover art and introduction are dated after the publication date of the trade paperback. Please fix the dates. Bob 22:51, 14 November 2020 (EST)

    Sorry, I was suddenly called away on an emergency conference with some doctors, hypodermics, IVs, anti-biotics, and forced bed rest. AGAIN! Will get right to it. MLB 17:47, 23 November 2020 (EST)

    Worm Dentral Tonite! (afterword)

    I'm holding this edit which would impact your verified pub. Is this a database typo and the edit should be approved? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:21, 27 December 2020 (EST)

    Sounds like a typo on my part. Something I'm famous for. Please go ahead and change it. MLB 15:11, 27 December 2020 (EST)

    Genesys X

    And the source for this is? We need to add the source when quoting :) Annie 03:58, 23 January 2021 (EST)

    Yeesh!!! Guess I forgot. You can add ― quoted from this book’s product page on its product page as of 2021-01-22 to that quote. MLB 04:04, 23 January 2021 (EST)
    Done :) Annie 04:05, 23 January 2021 (EST)

    The Bayou Hauntings Bundle

    The only place that calls this book this way is Amazon - both the cover AND the title page have "The Bayou Hauntings: Books 1-6". Fixed now but don't trust good old Amazon and their child Goodreads that much on titles. :) Annie 04:00, 23 January 2021 (EST)

    The Last Christmas

    How sure you are that this is a novella? The paperback is over 200 pages and a quick count shows more than 200 words per page (168 on ebook but even that is close enough to make it closer to a novel for me...) And it claims to be a novel on the cover - I think it is too close and I lean towards a novel here... but up to you. Annie 04:05, 23 January 2021 (EST)

    I'm in the middle of watching a movie, but I'll go back and change it later. MLB 04:06, 23 January 2021 (EST)
    No worries - I will change it. Movies? Your insomnia keeping you up again :) Annie 04:09, 23 January 2021 (EST)
    Sorry :( This one is fixed - hopefully you will feel better soonish. Annie 04:11, 23 January 2021 (EST)


    I approved the magazine but there are a few typos in the author names. I do not have my kindle handy to check if they were misspelled in the magazine or on the DB so if you do not mind, check the spelling again? Thanks! Annie 06:16, 3 February 2021 (EST)

    Werewolf M. D.

    Should have rejected this one - these were the wrong versions - we need the ones matching the book title - so the ones by Taylor Haiden. I will fix it. Annie 16:09, 4 February 2021 (EST)

    I had the correct title, but it was changed by another moderator, so I left it as it was. MLB 16:16, 4 February 2021 (EST)
    Um, forgive me, but do you ever sleep? You never seem to stop here on this site. :) MLB 16:16, 4 February 2021 (EST)
    I know - I fixed the title later and added a note explaining why... This note was about the import: these were the wrong novels inside - you grabbed the ones from Brian Ference and not the variants by Taylor Haiden which we need actually because of the author of the book. :)
    Sleep had been known to happen :) I just tend to do what I can when I can in between other things and my day job had been some weird hours -- so it seems as if I am always here. Annie 16:25, 4 February 2021 (EST)

    Shattered God Mythos

    Hello, I've accepted your submissions of the Shatterd God Mythos stories, but removed the pub series title from The Little God and Home Sweet Home as these are not publication series, but title series instead (story already existed in the DB). In addition, I've removed the publisher (Petrifying Pages) as well, as there's no mention of publisher anywhere (and no secondary sources either - at least not that I could find) - we never enter assumed or derived data. That information can go in the Notes. I've also updated the publisher to 'Pure Print Publishing / Petrifying Pages' for the others, as Petrifying Pages is the Horror imprint of Pure Print Publishing, and that was already in the DB too. Regards, MagicUnk 11:24, 5 February 2021 (EST)

    Okay. This is why your job is still entirely safe from me. :) MLB 12:49, 5 February 2021 (EST)

    Propósito alterno

    Not sure why you decided that this one is Portuguese - but every single source says Spanish and the first page reads Spanish to me... The Portuguese version is "Propósito alternativo" (here for example). Annie 22:35, 5 February 2021 (EST)

    Okay. Amazon lists this as saying it's the Portuguese edition. You're multi-lingual, so I'll take your word for this. MLB 22:37, 5 February 2021 (EST)
    Which Amazon? USA/com, UK and Brazil all say Spanish for me and Spain and Mexico do not list a language at the top which means Spanish (and both say in the pub details: "Idioma : Español" as expected). From the others, a few do not list it, the ones that do all say Spanish as well (I just looked through them in case one is messed up). Can you post the link you are looking at because I am very confused? Annie 22:47, 5 February 2021 (EST)
    Right here. MLB 22:58, 5 February 2021 (EST)
    Oh, I see, there's two separate editions. MLB 23:00, 5 February 2021 (EST)
    OK, so I am not getting crazy :) Yep, one each per language and in this case the title is slightly different - alterno vs. alternativo. (not always the case but it helps separating them here). Careful with capitalization - unlike English, the romance languages use sentence case - only proper nouns and the first word is capitalized. Annie 23:06, 5 February 2021 (EST)

    (unindent) Three small things here:

    13.97 x 21.59 cm is tp, not pb (if you see anything over 19 cm, it is a tp; you will almost never see pb in the translations in the authors you usually work on..., not :)
    When a book has ISBN starting with 979, it will also have an ASIN starting with B and we want these so our links work properly. Self-published books and books from small publishers are now using more and more 979s so keep that in mind. Annie 04:53, 6 February 2021 (EST)
    And it seems like the paperbacks for this author are priced for the US market regardless of the language... Annie 04:57, 6 February 2021 (EST)
    I'll try harder. MLB 05:03, 6 February 2021 (EST)


    Hi! Could you please take more care of our rules of capitalization. This will again need to be fixed. Thanks, Stonecreek 15:22, 18 February 2021 (EST)

    I'm a moron. I looked and didn't see. I rushed and took no care. I'll redo this book. MLB 19:37, 18 February 2021 (EST)
    Thanks for the heads up. I hate being sloppy, which seems to be my default setting. So, I've corrected this book into this book. I've also corrected the date of the art. I apologize, and hope to do better in the future. MLB 19:59, 18 February 2021 (EST)

    Beneath Ceasless Skies issue varianting

    Did you mean to be varianting issue #279 into #278, here? I've placed it on hold for the moment to make sure. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:19, 24 February 2021 (EST)

    Ah, nevermind. I didn't notice they were the cover art at first. I've approved it. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:21, 24 February 2021 (EST)
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