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I don't always have the publication handy to handle a request for additional data or to double-check additions to a publication. These items are parked here to keep my talk page to a reasonable size.

Please add requests/updates to my main talk page.


Sword of Chaos- added cover/story paging

This. [1]. I added the cover and story paging from my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 16:06, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I felt I needed to add this note. "Cover art and frontispiece by Hannah M. G. Shapero. This frontispiece is present and is missing in some later printings. No apparent signature." I have the Seventh printing and it was missing the frontispiece and I so noted that. Thus I thought it important to note that your ver had it in case someone needed to see it. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:06, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks - My copy book is lost in chaos at the moment. --Marc Kupper|talk 04:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Shadow of Heaven

Added a couple of notes to [[2]] ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:35, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Earth Abides -- dating question

I have a copy of Earth Abides that sort of matches your verified RTHBDS1971, the notable exception being that my copy's copyright page states:

Printed in the United States of America
May 1971

at the bottom. Above that is the LCCN. It is the $0.95, #M1551 Fawcett Crest book, and it matches the cover image associated with the entry. The SBN appears only on the spine. I see in the notes your copy did not have a date and there was some question of the date's origin.

What do you think? Should I create a new entry, since I seem to have a different printing? Should I change the existing entry to 1971-05-00? --MartyD 22:04, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

I pulled my copy, as you suggested I could, and I find that I still totally match Marc's description. A couple of questions. My copy has the copyright page start approximately half way down. Does yours? Where did they place the two lines? Above or below? Do they look like the same type or do they look slightly different? My last page (318 actual count) has a page of ads. They start right side T1550 75¢, M1552 95¢, P1526 $1.25. etc. Does yours match? I checked ABE and one vendor is definitely selling an undated printing M1551. The careful way he states it, makes me positive that he is open to seeing one's with correct dating.
Not to take over, but I think Marc is going to say go ahead and add yours with the date given and noted differences. I think the DB has to assume that what you have is a 'tangible' difference. This will make it easier to compare and keep in mind while checking. A reasonable possibility is that Marc's/mine are printed in Canada, without it being so stated. If you clone from Marc's, I believe it will create no new problems, and if it is later decided to delete or merge the two, the mods have that ability. I have seen Ace printings stating first printing, first edition and they were not, so usually the best thing is to add, note completely and watch the fur fly. You also could ask on the community board for other people to check if they have the same copy, but that is a long shot. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:52, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
I will add my copy with the notes as another pub. My copy's copyright page starts halfway down, too. Title line, "This book contains the complete text..." block-letter sentence, A Fawcett Crest Book... sentence, copyright line, All rights reserved... paragraph, Except for an occasional reference... paragraph, LCCN line, a couple of blank lines, Printed in the United States of America line, May 1971 (this as low as they print the text on each page, on the line above the line they put page numbers on).
My ad page is different. P1599 $1.25, M1600 95¢, P1601 $1.25, etc. In fact, none of your three examples is listed in mine. Curious. I am going to take the ad entries you cite above and add them to the notes of the existing pub and add these examples from mine to the new pub to help the next editor. --MartyD 11:13, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Marty, apologies to you. I am totally blind and stupid. I just checked your line by line and discovered I made an error in checking my copy. I saw "Published by Fawcett World Library (over) 67 West 44th Street, New York, N. Y. 10036". I took the whole as an address but the next line reads "Printed in the United States of American" (over) "May 1971". I feel like a dolt, but I have to wonder if Marc may have done the same. I am amazed that the add page is different as the opposite is the last of the text of the novel. If I read the above correctly you do not have the first two lines. Sorry for the havoc, but if you have blank spaces we still are looking at a copyright page change plus the add page. Makes you wonder when they actually printed it. Apologies, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:02, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
No need to apologize for anything. I did update the notes on the existing pub with the ad info and added a new pub -- still pending approval, but I'll add a link here to the new one once it's accepted. When I get home tonight (it's ~12:30pm ET where I am), I will reproduce here the entire copyright page and provide more details on the ad page (and see if I can find anything else helpful). May as well, FWIW. Is there someplace we should move this discussion to avoid clutting up Marc's talk page? --MartyD 17:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
I think we are in the right place, as Marc is primary and I think he will be fascinated. I am bedazzled that they might reset the 'type' during a printing, as in the last page. Marc will get to this when he can and after he can check his copy. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok, here is a very detailed description of the book I have in hand. In the TOC and subsequent numbering, they count starting with the title page as 1. All text left-justified unless otherwise noted.

1st physical page

"IN ITS NARRATIVE FORCE ... FASCINATION." -- The New York Times (4 lines)
"THE BOOK HAS MORE ... NOVELS." -- The Christian Science Monitor (3 lines)
The FIRST choice of the Science Fiction Book Club
The FIRST choice of the International Fantasy Award
Among George R. Stewart's many works ... his environment. (4 lines)

2nd physical page


3rd physical page (title page)

Earth (right-justified, 1/4 way down page)
Abides (right-justified)
by George R. Stewart (centered, just above mid-page)
A FAWCETT CREST BOOK (right-justified, bottom)
Fawcett Publications, Inc., Greenwich Conn. (right-justified)

4th physical page (copyright page)

EARTH ABIDES (1/2 way down page)
A Fawcett Crest Book reprinted by arrangement with Houghton Mifflin Company. (2 lines)
Copyright 1949 by George R. Stewart
All rights reserved. No part ... from the publisher. (5 lines)
Except for an occasional ... actual occurrence. (4 lines; author's voice)
Library of Congress ... 49-11267
Printed in the United States of America
May 1971 (line above page number line space)

page 318 (unnumbered, 320th and final physical page)

FAWCETT CREST BOOKS (centered, top)
On Top with the Big Bestsellers (centered)
THE AMERICAN ... P1599 $1.25
THE DOOMSDAY BOOK ... P1601 $1.25 (2 lines)
LOSING BATTLES ... P1584 $1.25
... (15 more titles, 17 lines) ...
THE GODFATHER ... Q1388 $1.50
THEM ... P1467 $1.25
Wherever Paperbacks Are Sold (centered)
If your bookseller ... 15¢ ... No Canadian orders.... upon request. (4 lines)

back cover

EARTH (1/4 way down, yellow)
A NOVEL ... TODAY (4 lines, white)
In this ... human survival. (6 lines)
"EARTH ABIDES is ... never end." (3 lines)
--THE NEW YORKER (right-justified)
"Most worthwhile ... meanings." (2 lines)
Fawcett World Library (bottom)

spine (all text rotated 90)

A Fawcett (top, white)
Crest Book
EARTH ABIDES (1/4 way down, yellow)
George R. Stewart (middle, white)
449-01551-095 (bottom, white)

There you have it. A picture's worth a thousand words, but can a thousand words paint a picture? --MartyD 01:26, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I approved the addition before finding this discussion. We can always delete one of the pubs if Marc confirms that they are identical. Ahasuerus 01:42, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
My first mis-match is that I have two lines of address before the "Printed in the United States" on copyright page. On the add page the top is different, and I do not have those items later, but your bottom three are complete matches. My product number line reads top to bottom, T1550, M1552, P1536, P1537, M1538, P1522, M1523, M1450, M1365, M1525, M1478, M1398, P1503, M1504, T1505, M1497, M1482, T1485, Q1388, P1467, M1408. The ad page being different and as I said the opposite page is novel text shows they were capable of changes, which suggests they could do it during the printing cycle. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:08, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
The list on my copy's ad page, top to bottom, is P1599, M1600, P1601, P1584, P1570, M1571, M1563, M1588, M1564, P1562, M1497, Q1556, M1557, P1536, P1522, M1523, M1540, M1365, P1503, Q1388, P1467, M1408. --MartyD 03:01, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I have incorporated the information from the above discussion into a "differences from the other 1971 printing" note on each of the pubs. I describe the copyright address/lack-thereof and provide the above two ad page number lists in the respective printings. At least no one will be able to complain about LACK of details.... :-) --MartyD 18:24, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Collected Stories of Vernor Vinge

Added the month of publication to [this] from the 1st TP edition. Does your HC have a $C price? ~Bill, --Bluesman 02:05, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Sword and Sorceress XI-- reply to note and two problems

Hello, Mark. Take your time, as I transient ver'd this. [3] . Here is your note. "Note to anyone with a copy of this publication. My copy is a very dog-eared ex-library copy with several layers of tape and stickers holding the spine together. I'd like to know what is on the bottom part of the spine and am expecting one of

   * ISBN - 0-88677-614-7 499 - in one line.
   * ISBN2 - Price “sideways” 0-88677-614-7
   * ISBN3 - Both price and ISBN “sideways” so that they read normally when the book is on a shelf.

It would be great if you can drop me a note as to what's on this publication. Thank you. ~Marc."

Answer. "U.S. (over) $4.99 (over) (line) Can $5.99 (over) (space) 0-88677- (over) 614-7" at bottom spine. ISBN option 3. LOL

Two problems. "Keepsake by Lynn Michals" not Michels (typo). "Sow's Ear by Kathy Ann Trueman" not "The Sow's Ear" though both acknowlegment/copyright and ToC have "the". Great Job, Thsnks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:38, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

The October Cuntry

Replaced the image for [this] with a scan from the first printing and removed the note re:second printing cover being the image shown. ~Bill, --Bluesman 15:31, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

The Postman

Added a cover image to [[4]] ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:08, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


Added a cover image to [[5]]--Bluesman 00:03, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Wave Without a Shore

Added a cover image to [[6]] from the second printing, but all data seems to match. ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:20, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Lavender-Green Magic

I updated your verified pub LVNDRGRNMG1977 to put the ISBN in the ISBN Field, and the SBN in notes (This lets the Amazon / Alibris / Abe books links work properly). Thanks Kevin 18:59, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Amazons!---added note that frontispiece is by Whelan

Morning!. This. [7]. I added frontispiece note and contents. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:24, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Ancient My Enemy

Added a cover image to [[8]] and, hopefully, the correct gutter code to the notes. ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:01, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


Correct cover? It better be, as that many prices listed can't have stayed stable for long. I also adjusted the cover artist credit as it IS there in very small print to the right of the prices section on the back cover. I think I mentioned once before that some UK artist credits are so close to the edge that mere spine-wear can obscure them. BLongley 22:27, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Renegade by Duchamp

Can you check the credit for cover design of this pub? There are two similar names with one credit each in the db: "Lynne Janson Lampe" and "Lynne Jensen Lampe". Thanks. MHHutchins 05:06, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

The Automated Goliath / The Three Suns of Amara -- cover image

I replaced a broken link with this on your verified TMTDGTSA1962, matching my copy of the same edition. --MartyD 21:08, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

The Big Time / The Mind Spider and Other Stories -- cover image

I added this image to your verified TBTTMS1961 that matches my copy of the same edition. --MartyD 21:58, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

One Against Herculum / Secret of the Lost Race -- cover image

I replaced a broken link with this on your verified NGSNTLSTRC1959, matching my copy of the same edition. --MartyD 23:19, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

The Day Star

Added a cover image and a note to [[9]]--Bluesman 03:17, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Sword and Sorceress II

The cover image for my copy of your verified pub here differs from the one in the pub record. I've uploaded a scan of my copy here, but wanted to double check with you before replacing the image. Thanks. --Rtrace 12:49, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Trouble with Tycho

Finally found a second copy of [[10]] so replaced the old image with a decent one and added some notes. ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:46, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Six-Gun Planet

Howdy, pardner! Added a cover image to [[11]]--Bluesman 01:01, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

The Automated Goliath / The Three Suns of Amara

I replaced the image on your verified TMTDGTSA1962 with a local (wiki hosted) copy. I ordinarily don't replace unbroken images, but had accidentally uploaded this image for a different pub by mistake (the gory details are on my talk page). Thanks.--Rtrace 02:25, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Tor Double

Added an image for 1/2 of[[12]], no find on the other half.... added the month as well (usually the TOR had this?) ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:30, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. That one is temporarily (I hope) buried. When I see it I'll do the over side. --Marc Kupper|talk 00:52, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Second Book of Leiber

Scanned in a cover image for [[13]]--Bluesman 01:50, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

The Heritage of Hastur

I added Jack Gaughan as cover artist in this verified pub. He is credited on the copyright page. Willem H. 15:04, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

One Against Herculum/Secret of the Lost Race added notation

Afternoon! This. [14] . I added notation after matching my copy and Tuck to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:53, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Crystal Line

Added a new cover image for [[15]], broken link. Adjusted the notes accordingly. Locus1 verifies the date of publication and price so, again, adjusted the notes accordingly. ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:54, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Prince of Scorpio- map information

Afternoon! This. [16] . I added information to the firs printing which is slightly different than yours. I sent a message to the memebers of Yahoo Group Kregen and got two replies. First is from the editor of Mushroom/Bladud Books which is publishing the series and working to get the German versions into e-book and print.


> I assumed it was Ken Bulmer's, but I need confirmation one way or the other.

The maps are based on Ken's originals, but were redrawn by DAW house artists (who may have included Jack Gaughan). The quality of the paper and printing required heavier lines than Ken's originals. Some appear to include errors - we found and corrected a few errors and omissions in the Havilfar map when preparing it for the wiki.

There are scanned copies of Ken's originals in the wiki. For instance:



I believe, but could be wrong, that these were provided by ZaPeet or Heyne.

Thanks, Martin

The second is from the owner of the group, ZaPeet is another editor who was trying to get the books not published in Englis into ebook format. He got five, and found it financially impossible for him. Ken Bulmer and he became very tight and the maps came through him in the original and so were secured by Martin Heldson, at Mushroom/Bladud Books.


ZaPeet did indeed provide these maps, obtained from Ken himself!

I treasure them because both Tambu and Bet-Aqsa are shown definitively. Sadly, Ba-Domek is not but we know it is fairly close to both of these two lands, in the Ocean of Doubt.


I do not know if this clarifies anything, but it shows I and they are still involved in all things Bulmer. Maybe, it will give you a laugh. I am not suggesting a change. I was surprised to find the map in our copies of PoS are actually 'cut outs' of the map in the omnibus. I wish Ken's elderly wife could locate more missing material, but the indifference of the children apparently overrides this. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:01, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

The Silver Metal Lover

I added a cover image to your verified pub THSLLLVR0D1982. Thanks. --Rtrace 12:43, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Heritage of Hastur [2]

Added a cover image and massaged the notes for [[19]] ~Bill, --Bluesman 02:32, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

World Wreckers

Added a cover image to [[20]] --Bluesman 01:22, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Candy Cox / Candy Box and the Big Bad (Were)Wolf (P.C. Cast in Mysteria )

Hi Marc, just alerting you to an oddity on P.C. Cast's page relating to one of your verified publications: There is 2 versions of the name of a novella which I presume is the same piece of work. In your verified publication Mysteria it is "Box". On Amazon US Look Inside, the TOC has it as Cox, so I wonder if there's a typo in the Mysteria publication contents records, or whether the heading of the story itself has the "Box". ... clarkmci/--j_clark 08:09, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Publink is MSTRBRKLSN2006 --Marc Kupper|talk 07:22, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

ACE Dbl F-161

Added both artists to [this] courtesy ACE Image Library, with appropriate note. ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:12, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Planet of Judgment

Scanned in a cover image for [this] and added notes. ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:52, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


It seems that in {{BibHeader}} and {{AuthorHeader}} we have created tow near duplicate templates -- at least two templates intended for the same purpose. I suggest that we merge the desired functionality into one of them, and make the outer a redirect. I note that {{BibHeader}} does not support the altName mechanism, and thus cannot be used on any disambiguated author names like Colin_Harvey_(1971-) or D._F._Jones_(US). -DES Talk 13:08, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I saw that too the other day and made a note to merge them but was undecided if Author or Bib is better as a prefix. FWIW, I have been using the name AuthorHeader recently simply as I remember its name based on the namespace name and not out of preference for the argument support or the contents of the header box.
I just looked at the two and feel the header and logic for "AuthorHeader" is better. While AuthorHeader's help is more complete I like the wording of the BibHeader help. The placement of the author name in AuthorHeader is disconcerting.
Something that seems consistent would be:
  • {{BioHeader}} on [[Bio:Name]] pages.
  • {{AuthorHeader}} on [[Author:Name]] pages.
  • {{PublisherHeader}} on [[Publisher:Name]] pages.
  • {{PubHeader}} on [[Publication:Tag]] pages. Add a redirect for {{PublicationHeader}}?
  • Continuing this we would add {{SeriesHeader}} for [[Series:Tag/record]] pages. Maybe that's missing as at present there's no cgi to map a series name to record number via the URL.
I've sometimes found myself on one of the namespace pages and wondering which was the correct header for that page. I'd try a few names, getting red links, give up, put anything there knowing you'll come along in a minute and fix it. :-) It was particularly frustrating recently as the template I wanted had not been included in Category:Header Templates...
I'm all for then adding redirects for the permutations as some people remember the names by function such as {{BiographyHeader}}, {{BibliographyHeader}}, {{BibliographicCommentsHeader}}, plus versions with the space in the name such as {{Author Header}}. If we ever get better conditional support then a plain {{Header}} can do the trick.
Feel free to merge away. --Marc Kupper|talk 20:16, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
I have implemented the old-style conditionals with {{Qif}}, {{ifdef}}, and {{ifndef}}, it is maore akward to code than the built-in ParserFunctions-based :If conditions, and it can cause performance problems on huge wikis like wikipedia, but it does work. Look at the coding of {[tl|AuthorHeader}} if you want to see it in action. I am dubious about a theoretical {{Header}} however, because the Publisher: Namespace, at least, requres an argument for {{PublisherHeader}}, and there are alternates for "verified" publisher and Imprints that can't be detected from the namespace alone. Still it is a thought. I'll see about merging the existing author templates, and creating some redirects. -DES Talk 20:31, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Merge done, and all the redirects you suggested have been created. However I did not create the multi-function {{header}}, nor {{SeriesHeader}}, the latter because the linking template {{Series}}, at least as currently implemented, requires a record number. I'll have to think about that one. -DES Talk 21:20, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Thank you David. It turns out that linking to series by name works. However, I don't understand the argument parsing logic well enough to clone AuthorHeader into SeriesHeader and possibly editing {{series}} to support {{series|Series Name}} like how {{a}} works. --Marc Kupper|talk 22:03, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Since series get renamed rather more often than authors, i think it would be better to use an ID numbers if possible. But perhaps better support for name links can be provided in those templates. -DES Talk 23:23, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


Template:Series looks pretty good, but if you are going to support a parameter altname as well as altName, it must be supported at each use. I have made the needed change. -DES Talk 23:46, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Please do not remove altName support unless you are willing to require (and document the requirement) that users link by record number to any series with a special character in the name. There are currently 282 series with an "(" in their title, and 303 with a single quote. Other unsupported characters probably occur also. -DES Talk 00:53, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
I have fixed Template:Series to support {{Series|id=123}}

Parameters for SeriesHeader‎ and PubSeriesHeader‎

Please note that {{SeriesHeader}}‎ and {{PubSeriesHeader‎}}, as currently coded, do not support unnamed parameters -- the name and id parameters must be explicitly specified with "name=" and "id=". this is so that the conditional code can test for the presence or absence of the id parameter.

Yep, I was just thinking about that and about how many permutations I want to support. At minimum I see
  • {{SeriesHeader}} will link using {{Series|{{PAGENAME}}}}
  • {{SeriesHeader|id=record}} will use {{Series|id=record|name={{PAGENAME}}}}
Other combinations are possible and I'm thinking if Altname support is not needed given we have ID and NAME. Something that may simplify the logic is to always call Series with ID and NAME as it'll work just fine if you happen to call it with a name in the ID field. Thank you for the altName/altname fix. I'd stolen that from {{a}} which I see you just fixed and wondered how it could work...
I forgot to sign but also the brain is fried for now. I'll deal with updating SeriesHeader later unless you want to tackle it. I'm thinking these are possible.
  1. {{SeriesHeader}} will use {{Series|{{PAGENAME}}}}
  2. {{SeriesHeader|something}} will use {{Series|something}}
  3. {{SeriesHeader|id=record}} will use {{Series|id=record|name={{PAGENAME}}}}
  4. {{SeriesHeader|id=record|something}} will use {{Series|id=record|name=something}}
  5. {{SeriesHeader|id=record|name=something}} will use {{Series|id=record|name=something}}
I need to think about if AltName as a SeriesHeader argument is needed but think not and if we want to support NAME with no ID. --Marc Kupper|talk 00:30, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
altName support is needed, if we are to link by name, here are a few examples:
  • Andromeda (anthologies)
  • Angel (Kilworth)
  • Animals in the Wild (childrens non-genre)
  • Anthologys (non-genre)
  • Arthurian sequence (Wein)
  • Assiti Shards (1632)
  • Assiti Shards (Other)
  • Astounding / Analog (1937-1971)
  • Author, Author! (Future Science Fiction)
  • Author, Author! (Science Fiction Stories)
Anchorencode will not work correctly on any name with a parenthesis or a single quote included, and is not guaranteed safe on any character outside A-Z, a-z, and 0-9
Or I suppose we could require the use of a record number for such series titles.
If you want to retain the unlinked option and the conditional code, then I don't think this one can default to the pagename (for {{PubSeriesHeader}} that option is essential, as there often isn't an actual db series record to link to). That option can be dispensed with, i suppose, in which case one could link to ID, which if unspecified defaults to name, which if unspecified defaults to the first parameter, which if unspecified defaults to PAGENAME ({{{id|{{{name|{{{1|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}}}}}}) plus conditionals for altName similar to those in {{AuthorHeader}}. -DES Talk 00:44, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
That makes sense. I was doing some testing of the various permutations and for {{Series|id=16601}} which is a rather common current usage. It linked to record 16601 but the name "altname" rather than the expected "16601." I thought about fixing that by putting altname in the outer wrapper but need to think about the various permuations of possible ways to call the thing that make sense. The only ones we really care about, and don't want to break, are
  1. {{Series|16601}} - 16601 should show as 16601 - This usage is common.
  2. {{Series|23113|Fox}} - Fox should show as Fox - this usage is common.
  3. {{Series|2402|name=Anthi}} - Anthi should show as Anthi - this usage is not as common but is in use.
  4. {{Series|Blade_Double}} - Blade_Double should show as Blade_Double - this usage is rare but is in use and would be the same as the first usage.
  5. {{Series|id=2402|name=Anthi}} - Anthi should show as Anthi - this usage is rare but is generated by Template:PubSeriesHeader.
It looks like only case #2 is broken at the moment. --Marc Kupper|talk 01:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Case 2 fixed. Good to specify the cases. -DES Talk 01:42, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Don't forget the cases:
Thank you on the #2 fix - Here's what I'm thinking of for generating the URL and name parts of our link. Does this make sense?
  • URL part - altname overrides altName overrides id overrides {{{1}}}
  • name part - altname overrides altName overrides name overrides id overides {{{2}}} overides {{{1}}}
Dinner - be back in a while. --Marc Kupper|talk 01:47, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
What I have now is
  • URL: altName overrides altname overrides id overrides {{{1}}} overrides name
  • Display text: name overrides {{{2}}} overrides {{{1}}} overrides id overrides altName overrides altname
the order of altName and altname is irrelevant, because they should never be specified together. name must be in the URL sequence to support the case where name is the only paramater. 2 and 1 must override id in the name parameter to handle cases 2 & 3 above correctly. I think all is now correct. -DES Talk 02:12, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Perfect. I thought about the current logic vs. what I had proposed above and the current logic will do well and seems intuitive enough. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


I see you recently created Template:BC. It seems to me that this largely duplicates {{PubHeader}} although it is not in a header style. Should it be converted to a redirect to {{PubHeader}}, or should it be retained for cases where a non-header style is desired, and documented as an alternative on the PubHeader doc page, and on Help:List of ISFDB Templates? -DES Talk 14:44, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I changed the one publication that used {{BC}} to use {{PubHeader}} and have deleted BC. At the time I added BC the PubHeader template did not exist. I was also thinking more along the lines of having the template name match the function of the page (Publication Bibliographic Comments), wanted the name to be short, and also wanted the name to be easy to remember. I like the new XxxHeader form much better as it seems it's much more likely people will remember the names plus with the alias/redirects they can guess at a reasonable name and even if they get the wrong header then can they quickly find the right one via the category.
Can we do conditional logic based on if someone viewing a page is logged into the wiki? As the headers are new something that may encourage their use is to add a boilerplate "Please see header templates for more information about this header" to the end of each of the header templates (template the boilerplate). The goal is to both make people aware of the templates and also to make it easy to find them. Only people that are logged in would need to see this. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:24, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
If there is a way for templates to display differently based on whether the viewer is logged in I don't know of it. It would be possible to put some text into a special CSS class that would display differently depending on a user's individual style sheets, but that wouldn't make a difference unless we got all regular users to edit their personal monobook.css files. We can add the boilerplate if you like, but everyone will see it. It is apparently also possible to change the DB code so that when someone goes to a wiki page via one of the db links, and that page doesn't yet exist, it will be preloaded with the proper header template. A feature request for this is already on file, and it would help i think. -DES Talk 12:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Note that some of the headers, such as {{BioHeader}} have been around for months. -DES Talk 12:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
It would have been possible to make BC into another alias for PubHeader, and that could still be done if you wish -- redirects are cheap. -DES Talk 12:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
On further research i found this mediawiki help page It shows how to create a special CSS class that has different properties for logged-in and not-logged-i users, at the cost of editing a site-level file to create the style. I think any admin can do this. Then a span tag using the named style could have a "no-display" setting if the user was not-logged in, but display normally for logged-in users. I will test to see if this can be made to work. -DES Talk 14:23, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for the hunt. In terms of BC - I did not like adding yet another two letter template to the list of things people would need to remember plus at the time I added that I was thinking we need to sit back a moment and come up with a consistent naming system as both author and publication records can link to bibliographic comments pages.
An alternative for detecting logged in users would be extension variables and adding something such as {{LOGGEDIN}} --Marc Kupper|talk 14:58, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
I had already seen at the magic words page that custom variables could be created. But that would require someone with write access to the live wiki config files (Al or Ahas, I think that means in practice) to make the change. I was hoping to avoid that. -DES Talk 15:13, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
It looks as if the new-style solution would still have to be done in the php file for each skin, not the css file, and so would require someone with site-level access. How horrid would it be to add the bolierplate in a normal way, so everyone could see it? -DES Talk 16:13, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
I have created Help:Header Templates, which might be linked to in your suggested boilerplate in each header. -DES Talk 19:28, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
I knew it would take either Al or Ahasuerus to do the style solution which is why I suggested magic words which would seem to be more intuitive to someone looking at one of the header templates. It's probably not that huge of a deal of the message is visible to everyone as few non-logged in people are likely to even be looking at the comments pages. If we template it then it'll be easy to remove the message should it become an issue.
I moved the new help file to Help:Header templates (lower case "t" for the second word) to make the name consistent with other help page names. It turns out nearly existing links are a mix of Help:Header templates and Help:Header Templates. --Marc Kupper|talk 20:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Creating a new magic word would also, i think, require either Al or Ahasuerus to edit several system files. I will implement the boilerplate. -DES Talk 20:41, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Bolierplate added. -DES Talk 21:33, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

River of Eternity

I added the Author's Introduction to the contents of this verified pub. I try to be complete. Thanks Willem H. 20:40, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Also added some more notes after this Willem H. 20:18, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Pub RIVEROE1983 --Marc Kupper|talk 07:26, 30 May 2010 (UTC)


These are some notes to myself to play with some of the conditionals

{{!}} Used to encode "|" within template and parser function parameters such as to generate tables.
{{Ifdef}} {{Ifdef|value|result}} - if value is not empty then return result.
{{Ifndef}} {{Ifndef|value|result}} - if value is empty then return result.
{{Qif}} {{Qif|test=value|then=result1|else=result2}} - if value is not empty then return result1 otherwise return result2. The else part is optional.
{{Switch}} Switch statement.
{{Booleq}} {{Booleq|value1|value2}} - If value1 is the same as value2 then return 1 otherwise return nothing.

--Marc Kupper|talk 14:59, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

FYI, there are others available on Wikipedia that I didn't copy here, and i haven't tested all of the above. Some of them are in use, check what-links-here for each to see where. -DES Talk 15:08, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Soviet SF

Mark, you left a note with the entry about the 1962 Collier edition of Asimov's SOVIET SCIENCE FICTION [21] about a later printing. I added page numbers to this entry and a note about a different printing with different colors used on the cover. Is this the 1964 printing to which you refer?Don Erikson 21:31, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I need to dig into why I added the note. I have SVTSCNCFCT1966 which is the 4th printing in 1966 and believe I'd want to do a page-by-page comparison. --Marc Kupper|talk 07:32, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Science Fiction Century

I have a copy of Science Fiction Century which does not have a price printed on it, that otherwise appears to match your verified copy. This might be the answer to what a 'co-publication' means, as the copyright page has a full numberline, etc. If your dust jacket has a price in the usual location then I have a BOMC/BCE copy. Could you check when next you get a chance? - Thanks Kevin 01:11, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd need to do some digging to get that one in my hands but am pretty sure the price is on the front flap otherwise I would have added a note explaining where I found it. I see that has an Amazon Look Inside which shows the retail edition with the price on the flap and so I added a note to the verified publication record about this. --Marc Kupper|talk 01:22, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Good enough for me... confirms that I've got a hardcover BOMC edition that isn't listed at Locus. Based on the Co-Publication line, I'm gonna date it at the same time as the trade HC with a note. Thanks! Kevin 03:27, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Mildred Clingerman and agents

I have frequently seen on copyright pages notices of the form "Written by X; Reprinted by permission of Y" where it was clear that Y was an agent, rahte than that X was a pesud of Y. In particular when Y was "Scott Meredith" or "Pohl". I think it is unsafe to conclude merely from such a notice that a pesud relationship has been disclosed. -DES Talk 14:47, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

True and so I rewrote the Clingerman note. I need to get back to that particular project and to clean up the remaining pages but am concentrating on dealing with some easier to deal with books for a while. That anthology has fifty stories and more than half of them turn out to have X and Y stuff.
BTW - do you know of any decent, and free, OCR software? More specifically, something that'll work on Windows 2000 but I can speak XP if needed. To speed up dealing with Fifty Short Stories I took photos of the acknowledgment pages and it'd be great if I could OCR the pages and then the project, after wikifying, is to verify that the OCR was accurate. --Marc Kupper|talk 00:00, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
I have some OCR software that I bought used. Not free, but low-cost, adn i can make a copy of the installation disk if you want. Since the manufaturer no longer sells this version, and you wouldn't be a customer for a new, full-price version anyway, I see no harm in such a technical copyright violation. I got it for use on Project Gutenbeg/Distributed proofreaders, adn it is good enough for both text and illos there. -DES Talk 00:17, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Ancient My Enemy [2]

Added notes to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 16:50, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

StarMother by Van Scyoc

I've updated your verified copy of this title, adding the price and month of publication, based on info from the SFBC announcement flyer. MHHutchins 23:54, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

STRMTHRVZW1975 --Marc Kupper|talk 07:36, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

The Worlds of Science Fiction -- deleted a REM title

Morning!. This. [22]. I second verified you and did a Tuck confirmation also. I submitted a del for the 'rem' Heinlein title you corrected. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:39, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

THWRLDSFSC1965 --Marc Kupper|talk 07:38, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Alpha Two

Scanned in an image and added some notes for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 02:37, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Shatter Zone

Added wrap around cover art to Shatter Zone. Also wondering about the publisher credit.. .seems to me it should be 'Gold Eagle / Worldwide' or something similar. Thoughts? - Thanks Kevin 01:33, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Hunter of Worlds

Scanned in a cover image, added the interior art and slightly expanded the notes for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 15:09, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks - as it is, I never marked it as verified in my DB. --Marc Kupper|talk 21:31, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

The Nine Billion Names of God 5th printing - difference

Morning! This. [23]. I have the same printing and everything matches except I have "Encounter at Dawn", not "Encounter in the Dawn" as does the 11th printing. Please check. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:19, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Good eye. This will take a while to check as the book is mis-filed. I've changed the name to "Encounter at Dawn" and I'll park this in the queue to re-check when my copy resurfaces. --Marc Kupper|talk 21:24, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
THNNBLLNNF0000 --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Tactics of Mistake -- cover image

I added this image to your verified Tactics of Mistake. Discovered it while looking for the cover of a different edition. It has the same catalogue number and price as cited in the entry. --MartyD 10:43, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I have put it on hold until Marc gets a chance to check the cover. Ahasuerus 17:18, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks - I had the book right on my desk. :-) Update approved. The reason for the OCLC note is that the catalog # is on the cover, ISBN is on the spine, and there is no barcode. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:10, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

The Overlords of War -- Cover image

On The Overlords of War the amazon cover image link was broken. I found a working link based on the notes you left. I copied the image at that link, uploaded it to the wiki, and linked it to the pub record. Please double check that this is the correct cover. -DES Talk 21:59, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

THVRLRDSFW1973 --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Kiernan story in Mammoth Book of Best New Horror, Volume Twelve

I had a submission that wanted to make variants of two slightly different titles of Caitlin R. Kiernan's story in this anthology. Can you check your verified copy of this book to see how the story is titled? (It originally didn't have the parenthetical phrase or was spelled "Waterworks". I can't recall which.) I merged all of the titles under this one because it matched OCLC records. Locus1 gives the year in the title as "1988" which doesn't match any OCLC records so I'm pretty sure they're wrong. Thanks. MHHutchins 05:26, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

My book has In the Water Works (Birmingham, Alabama 1888) on the copyright, table of contents, and story title page. The page headers use In the Water Works. I double checked that the publication uses "Water Works" and not "Waterworks" and that it's 1888. --Marc Kupper|talk 08:54, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Grant story in The Giant Book of Best New Horror

Can you check to see if "One Life in an Hourglass" in this anthology may have a comma in the title? I'm holding a submission which wants to make it a variant of the record that does have a comma, and I wanted to be sure before I accepted it. Thanks. MHHutchins 23:40, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

It looks like that one is misplaced. I remember pulling it out to look something up meaning it must be in the room... I approved the VT. I suspect my copy has the comma and if so, I'll merge it back. Fortunately, it seems the story only appeared in the anthology I have meaning the merge-back will be straightforward. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:57, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Added cover credit

I added cover credit for verified [24] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.Don Erikson 05:41, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Destiny's Road

Added a note about artist credits to [this] and scanned in a cover image to replace the ZZZZZZZZZ one. ~Bill, --Bluesman 04:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

ACE Dbl d-381

Added second artist courtesy ACE Image Library (with note) to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:18, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Approved as part of other arcane manipulations; please note that Emsh's name has been expanded to "Ed Emshwiller". Ahasuerus 04:04, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
"Arcane Manipulations"?¿?¿ Didn't know I could do those.... ;-) ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:44, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The Gentle Giants of Ganymede - added cover/notation

Afternoon! This. [25]. I added a cover image, [26], and notation. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 19:48, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Three Against the Witch World

Scanned in anew image and added notes to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:41, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The Overlords of War - Artist uncredited?

Morning! This. [27]. I seem to have the same copy, but my copyright page has "Cover art by Karel Thole" and the illustration opposite the title page has "Jg" at bottom right. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:49, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The Gods Themselves -- cover image

I added this image to your transient-verified The Gods Themselves, matching my copy of the same edition. --MartyD 17:25, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The Day of the Klesh - added notation/contents

Morning! This. [28]. I added notation and a contents entry for interior art after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:56, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

A Science Fiction Argosy

You have a secondary verification of this pub. My copy has The Cure is by Kuttner and Moore rather than Padgett. Apology To Inky is by Robert M. Green, Jr. rather than Green with no Jr.--swfritter 16:53, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

SCNCFCTNRG1972 --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Hunter of Worlds

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 21:03, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

HNTRFWRLDS1977 --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Elric Covers

I added a cover scan to your verified pub THSLRNTHSS1983. Thanks. ~Ron --Rtrace 12:23, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

also THWRDWHTWL1983 --Rtrace 12:27, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
and LRC04VNSHN1983 --Rtrace 12:34, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Genius Unlimited

Added the month of publication (from Jaffery's Retrospective) and an artist note to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:28, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Dates of "The Road to the Sea" and "Bokko-Chan" in The Best Japanese Science Fiction Stories

In your verified The Best Japanese Science Fiction Stories the date of The Road to the Sea is listed as 1989. Locus cites it as 1981 from Proteus from which we have 95258 with Judith Merrill and Tetsu Yano as translators, both of whom are also cited as the translators in the Locus entry. Does your pub agree with the information from Locus, or is there perhaps a different translation than the 1981 one at work? --MartyD 16:17, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Similar question, another title: In the same pub is also Bokko-Chan, dated 1989. Locus cites it as translated by Saito and published in the June 1963 F&SF, from which we have 74564. But this one doesn't say anything about the translator on the earlier title. Thanks. --MartyD 21:53, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

The Light that Never Was

I added this cover scan to this verified pub to replace a broken Amazon link. Thanks, Willem H. 15:21, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

THLGHTTHTN1973 --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Dinotopia Lost

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 18:59, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

DNTPLST1996 --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Kurtz's The Quest for Saint Camber

Can you double-check the ID number printed on the back of the dustjacket of this SFBC edition? It's possible that the number here came from the original record based on the listing in Locus1. Considering they were only using 5-digit numbers in 1987, there's a chance the last digit is incorrect. Thanks. MHHutchins 19:39, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


Scanned in a new image and expanded the notes slightly for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:59, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Shock Wave/Envoy to the Dog Star

Changed a note that read: "The frontispieces for both titles have interior art that is uncredited and unsigned" to "The frontispieces for both titles are uncredited and unsigned". Got the drift of the original but it just didn't read right. [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:39, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Vertigo - added a cover image/ start page number

Morning! This. [29]. I added a cover image, [30], and start page number after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:32, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

The Ragged Astronauts - added cover image

Morning! This. [31]. I added a cover image, [32], after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:41, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Expedition to Earth

Added "About Arthur C. Clarke" to this pub.--swfritter 16:19, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

XPDTNTRTH1969 --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

The Shattered Chain

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 09:38, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

THSHDCHN281976 --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Brother Assassin

Scanned in a cover image for [this] and added an artist note. ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:03, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: Non-SF Cleanup 2004

Hi Marc, I've reviewed all of 2004[33] and anything linked to these titles, can you run a new search and see what the numbers for 2004 & 2005 look like now and if 2005 still looks high can you create a list for that year? As for what's left in 2004 most are related to graphic novel authors and this issue is still unresolved. Thanks! SeanKraang 01:53, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Night Walk

FYI the link in the notes [original painting] for [this] no longer goes anywhere. Checked the website link and it works but the image no longer seems to be there. ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:58, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Bill. I e-mailed his son and hopefully they will put it back up. --Marc Kupper|talk 18:45, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Shadow of Heaven

Scanned in a cover for [this], unfortunately my copy is pretty worn. Maybe your's is better?? ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:55, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

I have two copies (or rather, had one, lost it somewhere in the house, and got another...) and will see if I can dig it/them out this weekend. --Marc Kupper|talk 18:46, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


Scanned in an image and added notes to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:29, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Date of "Coming Home" in The Mammoth Book of Best New Horror: Volume Twelve

I submitted a change of the publication date from 1999 to 2000 on Coming Home in your verified The Mammoth Book of Best New Horror: Volume Twelve. Taps and Sighs had been incorrectly entered with 1999, which propagated to all of the titles that originally came from it. OCLC and Locus agree on the 2000 for that pub, and I have already changed that. --MartyD 10:08, 23 October 2009 (UTC)


I added this cover scan to this verified pub to replace this Amazon link. Thanks, Willem H. 20:55, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

IRNCSTL1976 --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Earthman's Burden

I added this cover scan to this verified pub to replace this Amazon link. Thanks, Willem H. 18:54, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

RTHMNSBRDN1979 --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Added gutter code

I added a reprint gutter code to your verified [34].Don Erikson 22:09, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Added gutter code

I added a gutter code to a probable reprint of your verified [35]. I just noticed I have a copy with the other code so this is a reprint.Don Erikson 03:24, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

...and I deleted "#None" from the Catalog ID field. Ahasuerus 03:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Reel Future

Notes for [this] Source of the info is Locus1, which I added in [brackets]. You may want to re-do them or leave as is. Also added one missing page number, same source. ~Bill, --Bluesman 04:22, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Date of "Road to the Sea" in The Best Japanese Science Fiction Stories

Sorry, I should have asked before submitting this. I haven't had my coffee yet. I submitted a merge affecting the date of "Road to the Sea" in your verified The Best Japanese Science Fiction Stories, changing it from 1989 to 1981. We have the 1981 record from Proteus: Voices for the 80's, and its notes cite Judith Merrill with Tetsu Yano as the translators. The Locus content list for your pub cites those same two translators and that pub for this story. --MartyD 12:08, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Now I really know I haven't had my coffee.... I did ask before and now have failed to wait for an answer for half of that question. :-( --MartyD 12:14, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Added gutter code

I added the gutter code to your verified [36].Don Erikson 20:16, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Earth's Last Fortress/Lost in Space

New cover image[s], added both artists courtesy ACE Image Library for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 04:20, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Mindblocked Man

Scanned in a new image and added corroboration about the date to the notes, sources the CDN printing and Jaffery's Retrospective for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:20, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Wollheim's Best

Saw you were on earlier today. Could you have a look at [this submission?] Think it should be a new pub, doubt you'd have missed noting a later printing. ~Bill, --Bluesman 04:32, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Approved for now. The edit added pages: 280, Artists: Bernal, Notes: Stated 4th printing as per number line. DAW# 240. Catalog #UE1788. --Marc Kupper|talk 03:53, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
WLLHMSWRLB1983 --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

ACE Dbl F-129

Changed the date of publication for [The Automated goliath/The Three Suns of Amara] Second printing of Three Suns has the date on the copyright page. ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:24, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Earth Factor X

New image and expanded notes for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:54, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Blood of Amber broken link

Morning! This. [37]. I just 2nded your ver, but in looking for a link replacement I found [38], which you added to Amazon for the third printing. Since it is yours, I decided to tell you the 1st printing link is bust. I did not see a difference, but maybe you have. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:31, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

BKTG20901 (1st) BLDFMBRQGW1989 (3rd) --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Lord's Pink Ocean

New image and slightly expanded notes for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:51, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Bow Down to Nul/Dark Destroyers

New image and cover artists, both from the ACE Image Library) for [this]. ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:48, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Sand Wars #6 Challenge Met - added cover image/notation on artist

Afternoon! This. [39]. I added a cover image, [40], and notation on cover artist. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:34, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Logan's World

Identified the cover artist (Mitchell Hooks) and added a note to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 19:26, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Farmer in the Sky -- adds

Morning! Apologies. This. [41]. I corrected the date to show the same date as the notes, then did a mind blitch and added the same cover as the seventh printing which is supposed to be the same also adding the artist as noted in notation. Please check and correct my presumptions. I know I could cancel, but I know the date is correct. What a Yetch. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:47, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

The Light that Never Was

Added some notes to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:12, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Touch of Strange

Scanned in a new image and added a couple of notes to [this] The copy I just bought had two dustjackets, the top one a little sun-faded. Does yours have a jacket? ~Bill, --Bluesman 15:00, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

As the Curtain Falls

Scanned in an image and added interior art with note to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 04:30, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Castaways of Tanagar

Just entered the CDN edition of [this] and assume the interior art is the same (cover is the same). About an inch+ up from the bottom left corner are Gaughan's "JG" initials. Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:28, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Bodelan Way

Scanned an image, added the interior art with notes to [[42]] ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:20, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

City Machine

New image, interior art and notes for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:31, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

cover for Daughter of Regals

I added this image to your verified Daughter of Regals and Other Tales. --MartyD 12:29, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

DGHTRFRGLS1984 --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Karel Čapek

I am trying to recreate Bug 2938454, "Unicode in author names", and I am not having much luck. There is no canonical name for "Karel Čapek", only a legal name for "Čapek, Karel". I wonder if the spelling of the canonical name may have been changed since the bug report was created?

On a more elevated plane, I was surprised that Advanced Search worked since the database is currently Latin-1 encoded and Unicode won't work reliably until we upgrade to UTF-8. Unfortunately, it's apparently easier said than done... Ahasuerus 00:36, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree - easier said than done to fix this one. However, I believe the quick fix is only in one spot. At line 282 you pick up AUTHOR_CANONICAL, translate space to _, and then just write it out. The 'author' variable contains "Karel_Čapek". It turns out that you we get away with encoding Unicode as HTML on the URL as that's how we encode these in the database. This it's just a straight mapping of things like & # ; etc. into their % codes. Click on
That'll fix searching for Karel Čapek but we should do a better job in ae.cgi. Specifically, the UTF-8 encoding of pure 21-bit Unicode values should work too. At present fails. We will get this encoding when sites such as Wikipedia link to us. To handle this we will need to scan AUTHOR_CANONICAL and if we come across a %xx series that is valid UTF-8 then decode the resulting Unicode character and look to see if it's valid ISO-8859-1. If so we use the 8-bit value literally. If not, then re-encode that as an HTML escaped character. The Unicode code point for Č is 268 meaning we convert that to Č. If someone put %C3%A9 in an author name on the URL then we decode that to 233, see that it's valid ISO-8859-1, and will have an "é" in our author name.
Do you have a UTF-8 validator coded in Python? If not, I can likely write up the code in C with enough comments that you'll see what I'm doing. If you hit %xx values that turn out to not be valid UTF-8 then interpret them as ISO-8859-1 values. You already do the ISO-8859-1 interpretation by doing nothing. :-)
I added War With the Newts for testing Bug 2938454 which is why Karel Čapek is in the database now. Once support for Č works I was planning to notify the verifiers for the publications listed on Author:Karel Capek. I believe all of Karel Čapek's books used "Čapek" except for the Bantam edition of War With the Newts which uses Capek and an Albanian short story collection, Tregime të zgjedhura, which uses Çapek. (My fingers would hurt if I try to type in the title and so see this). FWIW, I'm certain that all of Josef Capek's books use Čapek (he's Karel's brother). --Marc Kupper|talk 07:28, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Update - I just realized that another reason for adding the UTF-8 support is that it will allow Karel Čapek to work. Note that at present the template {{a}} is coded using anchorencode which converts to Karel_.C4.8Capek. That was the wrong string function. anchorencode allows people to construct URLs to mediawiki sites and where the link URL is to a section of a page. You 'anchorencode' the section name. I don't know if the anchorencode in {{a}} was by design but once UTF-8 support is added to ae.cgi we can change it to 'urlencode' and that'll generate Karel_%C4%8Capek. --Marc Kupper|talk 08:34, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
If my understanding is correct, the core problem is that our MySQl tables are using Latin-1 and the standard Swedish (sic) collation sequence instead of UTF-8. We will need to convert all tables to UTF-8 before we can address any other problems and that, as experience shows, is not easy. Besides, we would need to run it by Al and see what he says first. He spent a fair amount of time fighting Unicode in 2005-2008 and he may have valuable ideas to share. Ahasuerus 03:37, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
We should be fine with Latin-1. Unicode data is already in the database using Ӓ encoding. As long as we are consistent with that we're ok other than the collation sequence. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:57, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks -- I saw Al doing something funky with Unicode at one point, but I haven't looked into the details, so I don't fully understand what our limitations are. Ahasuerus 19:52, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
The O'Reilly guy did the conversion all at once and that was painful. I'm more a fan of incremental changes. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:57, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
I am all for incremental changes, I just need to understand what the limitations of the current design are :) Ahasuerus 19:52, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
The quick-search issue should get fixed anyway as we are not url-encoding the author name at all. I also realized that rather than a UTF-validator it'll be easier to code a decoder as long as it's one that just passes invalid data "as-is".
An upcoming mini project is to to come playing around with UTF-8 and iso-8859-1 pages as I want to better understand how FireFox and IE process input data and send it to the server during a POST. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:57, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Door Through Space/Rendezvous on a Lost World

Found "EMSH" on the cover of the Bradley side of [this] on the bracelet. Adjusted the notes. ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:13, 5 February 2010 (UTC)


Found Vincent Di Fate's signature on the cover of this verified pub. Submitted the edit and adapted the notes. Thanks, Willem H. 20:17, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Camelot in Orbit

Added cover and notes to Camelot in Orbit. BLongley 19:48, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Ole Doc Methuselah

Added page numbers, Intro, Foreword and cover to Ole Doc Methuselah Dana Carson 21:32, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Bow Down to Nul/The Dark Destroyers

Found EMSH on the Aldiss cover of [this], amended the notes and scanned in cover images. ~Bill, --Bluesman 04:34, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Brain wave

Added cover to Brain waveHauck 15:57, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

The dark side of the Earth

Added cover to your verified here. Hauck 17:34, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

The star dwellers

Replaced amazon cover on your verified here. Hauck 13:21, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

THSTRDWLLR1970 --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

The Hounds of Skaith

Added a cover scan for your verified here. Hauck 18:37, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

THHNDSFSKT1980 --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

The dreaming earth

Replaced amazon cover scan for your verified here. Hauck 20:20, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

On the symb_socket circuit

Replaced amazon cover scan for your verified here, to me it seems also typical Freas artwork. Hauck 14:19, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

NTHSMBSCKT1972 --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)


Uploaded scan on your verified here. Hauck 17:40, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

MARS1992 --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

The Way Back

Uploaded scan and changed data on your verified here. Hauck 12:53, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Attack from Atlantis

Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here. Hauck 13:59, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

TTCKFRMTLN1978 --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

The Book of the Ler

Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here and for The Transformer Trilogy. Hervé Hauck 10:34, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

THZNMNBSCD2006 and THTRNSFRMR2006 (The Transformer Trilogy) --Marc Kupper|talk 09:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Cosmic crusaders

Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here. Hauck 16:50, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Cherryh's Hunter of Worlds

According to Locus #237 (September 1980), this printing was published in August 1980. Mhhutchins 17:33, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Terminal Velocity

Added a nice image, and month [Locus] to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:02, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Wreath of Stars

Added an image [not of great quality...] to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:27, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Other Dimensions

Added the price [Locus1] to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:50, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Great Tales of Fantasy and Imagination

Added the contents to this anthology. Once that edit is approved, I will also be adding the cover art. --JLaTondre 13:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. That book is seriously buried at the moment and so when it resurfaces I'll re-check. --Marc Kupper|talk 18:59, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Mind over ship

Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here. Hauck 15:32, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

-note to self - pub ID MNDVRSHPXF2009 --Marc Kupper|talk 07:04, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

The Swarm by Arhtur Herzog J6351

Added note indicating the the LCCCN as list is incorrect and gave the correct number referencing the Library of Congress for the source. --Astromath 23:38, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

THSWRMMCNL0000 --Marc Kupper|talk 21:51, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Fugitive in Transit

I did a minor correction to Fugitive in Transit in that I changed the note "Cover artist not credited in book. Signature not found." to "Cover artist credit stated on the copyright page. Signature not found." --Marc Kupper|talk 07:08, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Sorry changes did not occur. No problem with them though. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:17, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Great Tales of Fantasy and Imagination

Added the contents to this anthology. Once that edit is approved, I will also be adding the cover art. --JLaTondre 13:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. That book is seriously buried at the moment and so when it resurfaces I'll re-check. --Marc Kupper|talk 18:59, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Heritage of Hastur

Scanned in a new image, added interior art, and expanded the notes for [this]. Not having read any of the Darkover books, I made a guess as to the map 'signature' being a character. A minor re-edit if that's not the case. ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:23, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Shattered Chain

Expanded the notes, added interior art for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:39, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Gameplayers of Zan

New image, expanded notes, and added interior art to [this] ~Bill,

Emissary to the Stars

Added the artist credit and a new image to [this] both courtesy of a website that Willem found. Link is in the notes. ~Bill, --Bluesman 15:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

The Last Day

I need to rescan and upload the image for The Last Day. --Marc Kupper|talk 05:10, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Star Guard G-599 -- note

Hi. In re-verifying Star Guard D-527 I paid more attention to the existing notes and saw the question about the Lin Carter essay with the cross-reference to D-599. D-527 does not have it. I updated the note in D-527 to be a statement of fact, and I added note to D-599 confirming both the absence of the essay in D-527 and that D-527 states itself the 2nd printing. --MartyD 02:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

I rewrote the notes for the G-599 edition to hopefully make both the printing number and Lin Carter essay business clearer. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:34, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

The Secret History of Science Fiction

Can you re-check the pagination of this record? There are two stories starting on page 279. Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:25, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

It's a popular book - Three copies with all of them checked out. I should have this in a week or so. --Marc Kupper|talk 18:32, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
This has been fixed. Standing Room Only was listed as being on page 279 when it should have been page 267. From what I recall, I got distracted with how to enter 1016 to 1 which is on page 279. --Marc Kupper|talk 19:09, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for checking. Looks like an interesting mix of writers and stories. I've read about a quarter of them. Would you recommend reading the whole anthology? Mhhutchins 23:44, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
Something I found interesting were the preface essays. Each story is preceded by a one paragraph essay by the author and another by one of the other authors. A lot of writers struggle with being known as science fiction or fantasy writers as that's not "real literature." They write about that and try to say "look here, this story is literature. Hence, the title "The Secret History of Science Fiction" is inaccurate as many of the stories are specfict. I believe Speculative fiction as Literature would be a better title.
One midly bothersome aspect is that it's printed on low quality paper. The book has that "lightweight" feel you usually get with book club editions. --Marc Kupper|talk 01:04, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

The Spinner

[Another] DAW gem, as in "What the #*!**" ;-) ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:07, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree with "What the #*!**" ;-) and the comments you added to the publication notes. I'm leaning towards that this is manufactured in the USA with a cover that was intended for the Canadian market. The Canadian edition covers were printed in the USA meaning someone could have grabbed stock off the wrong pallet. Don't the Canadian covers state "printed in the USA?" I'll need to look at some USA and Canadian covers from that time period but also need to go to sleep too...
Had this been a later USA printing they would have removed the "No. 392" from the yellow box on the front cover, and replaced it with a new catalog number. --Marc Kupper|talk 10:48, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Maybe an over-print of covers? Waste not...? Checked a few Canadian printings from the early 70s and the "Cover Printed in the US" is on the copyright page only. It's unfortunate that Piserchia wasn't a great seller, as coming across more copies to see if this is prevalent or a one-off will be difficult. ~Bill, --Bluesman 15:40, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Saw a second copy today that was exactly the same. --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for checking the Canadian cover thing. This seller has a $2.25 version of UJ1548. I found one seller in Canada with a copy of The Spinner. I need to run but when I get back later this evening I'll ask the sellers if they have USA or Canadian editions. --Marc Kupper|talk 19:31, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Where Were You Last Pluterday?

I have the same edition you have of this weird novel (the second DAW printing and yet printed in the U.S.A.). There is an ISBN for this pub in the database, that's not in the book itself. Should it be replaced by the booknumber (UQ1051) or should there be a note about a derived ISBN? Thanks, --Willem H. 20:48, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Willem. That is an old verification and so I decided to update the notes to be more like what I use these days. I'm still on the fence on how to best handle these. I'd much rather use #UQ1051 for the catalog number but that means we would not get the links to Amazon and other book seller sites. --Marc Kupper|talk 10:35, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
The whole derived ISBN thing is getting quite circular! An editor here derives an ISBN, we get data-mined and the next thing there are a dozen sites with the ISBN. And once that horse has bolted the barn door is vapor! I always find it amusing, and sometimes not so much, to search an ISBN and find the only source is us.... though of course we're not the only ones doing this. I only consider deriving if the © is post-1970, and only then if there is at least an SBN or the publisher code plus a five digit [usually on the spine]. Searchability may be the carrot, but accurate data comes first. My 2¢, CDN of course!  :-) ~Bill, --Bluesman 15:51, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
When I derive an ISBN I check to see if it's used on Amazon and use it in the catalog # field if Amazon has a record for the book. Thus we're not introducing extra noise though we do raise the noise floor. When Amazon got started Penguin uploaded the entire DAW catalog, including out of print books, using derived ISBNs meaning it's safe to derive ISBNs for those.
If you find that we are the only ones using an ISBN, and it's a derived ISBN in the catalog # field, then ISFDB's record should be updated to use the publication's stated catalog # and the derived ISBN would go in the publication notes. I believe the only reason we put derived ISBNs in the catalog # field is to facilate links to book seller sites. While that seems overly commercial I have found the links to be useful and regularly use them to look at the Amazon records for bibliographic data. --Marc Kupper|talk 18:53, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Star Gate

Found a very good image for [this] and the site I purloined it from has Gaughan as the artist. I'm wondering if there was interior art the site might be referring to? The cover doesn't really look like Gaughan's style. ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:06, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

There is no interior art. this mentions John Schoenherr and so I e-mailed him. --Marc Kupper|talk 19:45, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
I never heard back via e-mail and so have parked the issue at Publication:STRGTFSCTT1971#Cover artist. Bill, I tried to find the site that was the source for the image you are using without success. If you know which it is then could you please update the publication notes? Thank you. --Marc Kupper|talk 01:21, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Added a link to the site on the Bibliographic Comments page. ~bill, --Bluesman 21:36, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Thank you - I see I flubbered the title and copyright page extracts on Publication:STRGTFSCTT1971 but buried the my copy of the publication under a large stack of books I got yesterday (over 20 anthologies in there too meaning I'll be verifying books for a while...). --Marc Kupper|talk 02:13, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Perilous Dreams

Added a note to [this] re: Contento listing it under the wrong publisher (has ACE for some reason??) Sent an e-mail to the site. ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:08, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure where the note about Ace comes from either. I added a publication comment to document the copyright page contents. --Marc Kupper|talk 07:08, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

The Star Mill

Upgraded the image and added a couple of notes to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:41, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Bill. I added a note about the front cover signature plus scanned the signature to Author:Jack Gaughan. --Marc Kupper|talk 07:35, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

More Than Human

Added a clean image to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:57, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

A Way Home

Was looking for an image for [this] Sturgeon title [couldn't find one] but every place I looked that listed this printing had the catalog # as 1739, but the pub record has 1793. Typo? --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Clarke's The Deep Range

According to Locus #242 (March 1981), this printing was published in February 1981. The price might seem low for this time, but looking at other pubs for the same month, reprints range between $1.75 and $2.25. Original titles ran $1.95 to $2.75, with one exception at $3.50 (for a 600+ pager). Mhhutchins 03:44, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Enchanted Inc.

Added a cover image and month [Locus1] to [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:12, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Mammoth Book of Vampire Romance

Adjusted the month for [this] to match the Locus1 record [probably more accurate than Amazon] and the note as well. --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:30, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

"A Visitor From Outer Space"

Marc, I bought this copy of the "A Visitor From Outer Space" from a thrift shop in Sacramento. It's in fairly good condition, with photos of the included authors. What questions do you have about it?

Majackson 19:03, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the follow-up Majackson. The questions are:
  • Is there any evidence as to who the editor may be? You may find this on the copyright page.
  • One seller says "signed by John Brunner" for the copy they are selling and also says "Dutt, Violet L. (trans)." Is there evidence of a connection to John Brunner in your copy?
  • Does your copy have an introduction? It seems a year after A Visitor From Outer Space came out Collier reprinted it but also included an introduction by Isaac Asimov. --Marc Kupper|talk 05:32, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

The questions are:

   * Is there any evidence as to who the editor may be? You may find this on the copyright page.

I wouldn't say there's a copyright page--just a title page with the publisher's name: "Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow". And no, there's no mention of editor anywhere. However, on the other side of the title page is the statement: "Translated from the Russian by Violet L. Dutt, Designed by N. Grishin".

   * One seller says "signed by John Brunner" for the copy they are selling and also says "Dutt, Violet L. (trans)." Is there evidence of a connection to John Brunner in your copy?

There is no mention, or any indication, that John Brunner was connected with the book in any way.

   * Does your copy have an introduction? It seems a year after A Visitor From Outer Space came out Collier reprinted it but also included an introduction by Isaac Asimov. 

Now that you mention it, I have a vague memory of Asimov's name and a Soviet Sci-Fi book (maybe I'm thinking of "More Soviet science-fiction"). I'll make a point of reading this booklet soon and see if any stories jog my memory. This copy, however, has no introduction and no name other than the individual authors and the translator & designer.

In keeping with the soviet era policy of downplaying personality, this book is devoid of any but the minimal personal info identifying anyone.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

If you are still interested... I own copies of both of these...

  * (no obvious indication of year)
  * (178, 8th printing of 1962 ed)

I can verify Majackson's comments about the lack of any sort of copyright info (other then "Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow" and that the last page indicates it was printed in the USSR) or editor identification. There is no introduction or evidence that Brunner was involved in anyway. FWIW: The story "A Visitor From OUterspace" does in fact include a footnote that is longer then the story itself -- it is essentially a mock-essay on the plausibility of extraterrestrial life, complete with section headings.

--Hossman 01:57, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Aldair, Across the Misty Sea

Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here and added notes. Hauck 13:13, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

The Day Star

New image [broken link] for [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:07, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Night Walk

New image for [this]. Note that the links to the original art and Frazetta's website no longer work. --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

The Wilding DAW #

I don't know if this has been answered for you already, but the not comment is still there.

I have a copy of the first edition hardcover. On the copyright page the DAW Books Collector's No. is 1296

hope that helps Amphi 13:47, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi, just writing to re-confirm - my HC copy also states DAW Books Collectors No. 1296. on the copyright page. CheerZ Viter 12:32, 17 March 2013 (UTC)


I added a cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, --Willem H. 18:48, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Night Walk

Replaced the Amazon scan on your verified here. Hauck 13:19, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

The Two-Timers

I added The Two-Timers to the Ace SF Special 1 pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:40, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

The Palace of Eternity

I added The Palace of Eternity to the Ace SF Special 1 pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 11:15, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

A Brand New World

I added A Brand New World to the Science Fiction from the Great Years pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:05, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

The Mightiest Machine

I added The Mightiest Machine to the Science Fiction from the Great Years pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:34, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

The Ultimate Weapon

I added The Ultimate Weapon to the Science Fiction from the Great Years pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:49, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Where Were You Last Pluterday

New image for [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:10, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Man With a Thousand Names

Added a very good image to [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:10, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Harry Bennett cover

(Sorry, I hit save before giving this a subject) You recently added an image, THLGNDFTHS1974.jpg to ISFDB. The signature is Harry Bennett. He did a lot of paperback covers, especially mystery and gothic. I am leaving the comment here because I do not want to intrude on your entry and also I would have no clue how to edit anything anyway. Sfbooks52 03:32, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I replied at User talk:Sfbooks52#Harry Bennett cover ID. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:25, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Gulielmus Baldwin

Hi, I noticed the make psuedonym on hold, so at the risk of jumping the gun (since I have the page open): One of my sources is this. I went with William Baldwin as the parent since that appears to be more commonly used. "Beware the Cat" (as per this) was first published in 1533 and the 1972 anthology publication would be a reprint. Cheers Jonschaper 05:01, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Jonschaper - I started to write you a note as wikipedia:William Baldwin (author) did not mention Gulielmus. I looked around, decided that what you are doing is correct, and approved the make-pseudonym. I left a message on the Wikipedia talk page.
I am wondering, is Beware the Cat speculative fiction or satire aimed at the Catholic Church that is "speculative" because cat's are intelligent and talking in the story? --Marc Kupper|talk 05:14, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Assumed but stated?

I'm not sure what you mean by the first bulleted note in this pub. Aren't "assumed" and "stated" contradictory terms? Otherwise everything that's printed (stated) in a pub would have to be be assumed. Then would it logically be assumed that the printed ISBN and price are correct because there's a possibility that the publisher may have printed the wrong numbers? Mhhutchins 04:16, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

I use "assumed first printing" when a publication does not have a number line. I also note what's stated so that people can decide for themselves if they consider it to be a "first printing." The original idea was to speed up the process of filling in the printing # field should we ever add that and so I have also been in the habit of using one of:
  • Assumed first printing that states "xxxx". There is no number line.
  • First printing that states "xxxx" and "1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9".
  • Third printing that states "xxxx" and "3 4 5 6 7 8 9".
In other words, I start out saying what printing I believe this is and then give the evidence.
Maybe I should start a community portal thread about that. Excluding publisher errors, are there examples of publications that state something like "First Printing: February, 1977" without a number line that are not first printings? --Marc Kupper|talk 04:48, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
None that I'm personally aware of. As you just responded to another topic (about the use of LCCNs and the determination of "first editions"), I agree that it is not our responsibility to determine whether a "first printing" or "first edition" statement is correct. As long as we record what is stated or printed in the publication we've done our job. Mhhutchins 05:33, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Maybe I'll just drop the decoding and use the following:
  • Stated "First Printing: February, 1977". There is no number line. --Marc Kupper|talk 04:48, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
I very much prefer the wording of this last statement as it is neutral, factual, and without ambiguity. When there are facts which contradict the printed statement, we can drop our neutrality and record those facts in the note field (with sources, of course.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:33, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
I fixed that for Swords Against Darkness plus a couple other recent "assumed first" verifications. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:00, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

A Way Home

Added a cover scan for your verified here. Hauck 20:05, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Armageddon 2419 A.D.

I added Armageddon 2419 A.D. to the Science Fiction from the Great Years pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:21, 31 July 2010 (UTC)


Replaced the amazon scan on your verified Prince of Chaos and Identity Theft. Hauck 20:11, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Final Diagnosis

Added scan and note to your verified here. Hauck 14:30, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Ground Zero Man

I added yet another note about the cover art for Ground Zero Man. Thanks, --Willem H. 19:08, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

New Dimensions 5 - cover question

Morning! This. [43]. The Cover image shows a 'gold star' over "NEW" in title on front cover. Mine also has a gold star, below "Robert" in author's name. I am wondering if your copy also has the "Gold Star" stamped into cover? It would be most odd to have three and my copy is 'cherry'. No previous sales or readers. No spine or page damage. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:43, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

It looks like I did not see the star before as usually I'd add a note explaining the star was not on my copy. I've scanned/uploaded my cover.
It's curious that yours seems to have a publisher applied star. I see the last line of the back cover blurb is "This book is an absolutely stellar collection." I've e-mailed the original scans of the front and back cover to you so that you can see if other things were changed. I'd tend to think someone used a gold marker pen or a chop (owner's stamp) with gold ink to mark your cover. --Marc Kupper|talk 03:34, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
I have seen a few 'gold star stamped' used books before, but this book and about 225 others came from bookseller by way of 'Van Hise' through the 'Forrest J. Ackerman' estate and the majority of books were bagged and in super shape (packed in boxes addressed to Van Hise). My thoughts are that many are/were review copies or free 'con' gifts. This 'gold star' is not a bookseller mark. Careful check shows that 'gold foil' was laid on the cover and the stamp applied hard as it indented through cover and several pages. There are two more 'foil' bits impacted into the cover as far away as over two inches away. No sign of email. Will get back. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 11:29, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
I accidentally sent the e-mail to Bill Longley. It sounds like your star was applied post-manufacturing though presumably by the publisher or an agent. --Marc Kupper|talk 22:16, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Final Diagnosis

Added the month, from copyright page of the PB, to [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:39, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Off on a Comet

Your notes for this pub said: "The cover artist is not credited nor is a signature visible." On my copy of the book, EMSH is visible in the lower left corner. I uploaded a coverscan (signature should be visible), added Emshwiller and adapted the notes. Thanks, --Willem H. 19:20, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Nebula Awards Showcase: 2009: The Year's Best SF and Fantasy

Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here. Hauck 16:29, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Illustration Image Data

Last November, you created {{Illustration Image Data}}. You provided positional (unnamed) options for the named parameters, but they were not documented, and none of the existing calls use them. As unnamed parameters do not work properly in the vertical style, my advice is not to support them for a template with as many parameters as this one. I would like to remove these, but I don't wish to do so without your input, and there is no particular rush. -DES Talk 15:15, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I likely cloned that from one of the other templates. Removing support for unnamed or anonymous parameters makes sense. --Marc Kupper|talk 07:58, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Support removed. Thanks. -DES Talk 15:18, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Year's Best Fantasy and Horror #12

I'm adding content information and an Amazon cover scan to this verified. I also corrected the page count slightly. BrendanMoody 17:22, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Army of Darkness

I added the frontispiece map to this verified pub, and a note about the artist/credit. Thanks, --Willem H. 18:43, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

The Book of Dreams

Uploaded a better scan for this verified pub. --Willem H. 19:08, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you - I have not figured out how to deal with the Mylar sheets some books get bound in. The other day I removed one to do a scan and it was a lot of work both to get the sheet off and then to reassemble the book. --Marc Kupper|talk 01:14, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Donaldson's Daughter of Regals and Other Tales

I've added notes to this record and did another primary verification of the pub. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:44, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I also changed "Ser Visal's Tale" from a short story to a novella. Mhhutchins 20:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

The Dragon and the Stars

Should the Afterword in this book be shortfiction? Thanks. Mhhutchins 14:21, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

That looks like a typo otherwise I would have added a note on why an Afterword is a shortfiction. The puzzle is I also set the story length to "ss" which is something I do on the second pass through the stories and then missed this on the verification passes. I changed this to an essay and should be able to dig up the publication on Saturday. --Marc Kupper|talk 18:56, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
I checked the book and yes, it's an essay. Thank you for catching that. --Marc Kupper|talk 23:29, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Stowaway to Mars

I added a cover scan to this verified pub to replace a broken Amazon link. Thanks, --Willem H. 19:54, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Alpha 4

I added the cover artist and a note to this verified pub. Thanks, --Willem H. 20:50, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

The Death of Augusta

Yesterday, I started this discussion that includes The Death of Augusta which appears in Amazons!. This morning, I noticed that is actually a verified publication so it would be good to have your input as a verifier. --JLaTondre 15:21, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Author pseudonym: Michael Iwoleit

Hello, Marc, this is Christian Steinbacher (pseudonym: Stonecreek) writing. Generally, I am fine with your changes, especially in making Ernest Vleck a pseudonym. But in the case of Iwoleit it is the other way around: Michael K. Iwoleit is the pseudonym of Michael Iwoleit. He told me ca. 1988 that he mainly published under this name to honour Philip "K." Dick and Ursula "K." Le Guin and (aside) because middle names were cool at that time. Would you change this entry one more time. All the best, Stonecreek 07:49, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I had picked "Michael K. Iwoleit" as I saw three novels under that name and one for Michael Iwoleit. I also saw Michael K. Iwoleit on the Gewrman Wikipedia. Generally Wikipedia article titles are for the most common or well known name. The "works" section of that article has four novels and again it's a 3 to 1 split on Michael K. Iwoleit vs. Michael Iwoleit. The Google results are 195,000 vs. 52,300 pages. It's not clear if this is a site he has direct control over. I assumed he has input as he's posted a short story in PDF form. That site, and the story, both use Michael K. Iwoleit. Thus it seemed reasonable to have Michael Iwoleit as a pseudonym of Michael K. Iwoleit.
The main uncertainty was I could not find cover images for the books other than Psyhack (which has "Michael K. Iwoleit") meaning I could not see if they stated "Michael Iwoleit" but were listed on the Internet as "Michael K. Iwoleit." I checked AbeBooks and Worldcat without success. Titan has a cover image but it does not show the author name.
I don't have a problem with flipping it the other way around around but am not comfortable doing that based on a single comment in 1988. Have you seen anything that would help improve the case for using "Michael Iwoleit" and making a "Michael K. Iwoleit" a pseudonym? --Marc Kupper|talk 20:49, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Yes, you are absolutely right, and I agree that Michael K. Iwoleit should remain the canonical name. But I met him from 1983 to 1989 monthly (in sf club meetings) and he was ever only Michael Iwoleit - until the first stories were published with a "K.". So, I asked him, if he had a new middle name, and got the above answer. So, this seems to be the one in a thousand case that the longer name is the pseudonym for the shorter. (In fact, there might be another German author with the initials R. P. as middle name, meaning Reine Phantasie = Pure Fantasy). But that author is known for a crooked sense of humour (and i don't know him personally), which Iwoleit is not. The wikipedia entry maker supposedly concluded that M. K. Iwoleit had to be the original name. Stonecreek 15:21, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

ISFDB support for shortfiction translated titles

Please see the comment I added to your correspondence with user Stonecreek about his edits to this pub record. I rejected his submission to remove the English title records, and instead removed the German-language translated titles. I also had to delete the title records which were created when the submission adding them (the German titles) was accepted. The ISFDB doesn't support title records for translated shortfiction using the translated titles. Stonecreek believed he would have been able to make them variants of the English titles, and that's incorrect (they must be merged with the English title records, just as novel title records are). Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:45, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I also adjusted the updates that Stonecreek made in Heyne SF Magazin 5. Please see the comment I left him here. Mhhutchins 18:57, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
I'll be on the road for the remainder of the day and will take a look at this when I get back. I thought he had a German translation that also translated story titles and thus we'd make those titles variants? --Marc Kupper|talk 20:51, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
As far as I know, we're still putting Foreign translations of English titles (short or long fiction) under the English title. I'm not clear how we deal with original foreign-language titles translated into other languages - the English versions are allowed as variants, are the other languages? BLongley 00:45, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Just the English version for now. Ahasuerus 02:45, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
We probably need to clear this up sooner rather than later - Ernestoveg coped with our shortcomings with lots of notes, and Ahasuerus seems to be working on Language support, but the number of foreign editors we're attracting now deserve to know what's going to be desirable now, and/or in the long run. BLongley 00:45, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
I was hoping to get a few smaller design changes implemented before tackling translations (a big can of worms), but I see that the pressure is rising, so I will have to re-evaluate my to-do list. Ahasuerus 02:45, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Cover artist: Despatches from the Frontiers of the Female Mind

I've added "Sue Lanzon" as the cover artist for Despatches from the Frontiers of the Female Mind, which you verified. The artist credit is on the back cover of the book. Chavey 22:26, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

I also changed the author of Instructions for Exiting This Building in Case of Fire from Pamela A. Zoline to Pamela Zoline, since that's the way it's listed in both the table of contents and on the title page for her story. (There's no copyright notice specific to that story, so there's no other appearance of her name.) Chavey 22:32, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Journey to the Center of the Earth

Hi! Could you please check whether Journey to the Center of the Earth has "A". There is a duplicate title that claims that title is A Journey to the Center of the Earth. Thanks! P-Brane 05:25, 30 November 2010 (UTC).

A Magic of Nightfall

There is something peculiar about A Magic of Nightfall: Volume Two of the Nessantico Cycle. According to the Contents section, half the short stories were written by "Stephen Leigh [as by S. L. Farrell ]", but the other half were by "A Magic of Nightfall [as by S. L. Farrell ]". Unfortunately, everything (except the covers) is currently blacked out in Amazon's Look-Inside and I can't think of another way to check. Would you happen to have access to the book? TIA! Ahasuerus 04:25, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

I've fixed this. After the publication was entered I had done a pass where I added the variant titles to the contents. Somewhere in the process "A Magic of Nightfall" fell into the copy/paste buffer when it should have been "S. L. Farrell". I was dealing with the "A Magic of Nightfall" publication and so never spotted a few extra appearances of the title. Plus, my attention was mainly on the complicated table of contents. I'd just read the story prior to verification and one of the frustrations is I'd read a segment by one of the characters and would want to look back at the previous segment by the same character or I'd get interested and wanted to skip ahead to the next segment. --Marc Kupper|talk 09:21, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! Ahasuerus 19:49, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
I sure wish we had extra title types. Nearly all of the stuff at the end of that publication is in-universe supporting material. --Marc Kupper|talk 09:21, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
It's on the table, just need to sort out a bunch of other things before I get to it :-) Ahasuerus 19:49, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Artist identified

The initialed signature on this cover ("J. H. B.") has been identified to be that of J. H. Breslow. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:43, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

The Wizard of Venus and Pirate Blood

According to Locus #250 (November 1981), this printing appeared in October 1981. Also, they state it's the fifth Ace printing, although there's no given source for that. Mhhutchins 21:21, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

When the Green Star Calls

I replaced the broken Amazon image with a new scan for When the Green Star Calls. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:33, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Slater's Planet

You are correct. i have a copy of the paperback im working from. i will try to familiarize myself more with the editing guidelines next time i add material, but thanks for accepting it. I edit a lot on WP (same username), and would like to learn more here over time.Mercurywoodrose 01:03, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Hunter of Worlds, C. J. Cherryh

You're the primary verifier of this edition, a 3rd printing with no internal specification of the pub date. The notes included:

  1. Amazon dates ISBNs 0-87997-559-8 and 0-88677-217-6 as "DAW; Reissue edition (May 5, 1987)." It's not known which price/printing was printed in 1987.
  2. Note – the printing date for this publication is unknown. Rather than using 0000-00-00 this publication in ISFDB has been dated using the YYYY-MM of the first printing and the day of the month is set to the printing number to get the publication sorted into a reasonable spot relative to other printings for this edition.

Amazon now gives a pub date of Aug. 5, 1980, so I've changed the date in this record to reflect that. I've also added an internal art credit to C. H. Cherryh for the frontispiece art, which the copyright page says is by her. Chavey 05:52, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Andre Norton's "Merlin's Mirror"

I've added a cover artist attribution for your verified publication. The copyright page credits it to Jack Gaughan. Since this is a 6th printing, we know they sometimes change the cover without changing the attribution, but I compared this to the scanned cover for the 1st printing, which is identical and is also attributed to Gaughan. Chavey 06:44, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Lavender-Green Magic

I added a content item to your verified pub Lavender-Green Magic, by Andre Norton. The book concludes with a 2-page set of "recipes" and directions called "To Make Tamar’s Rose Beads and Other Old Delights" (p. 240), which I entered as an essay. Chavey 16:48, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Listing multiple printings

I like the way you handled the multiple printings of Catfantastic: Nine Lives and Fifteen Tales. Chavey 02:24, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately that experiment has proved unpopular - e.g. it distorts the average prices for the year. Still, we should be getting proper Printing Number support soon. BLongley 14:34, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Five Fates

I added the prologue to this verified pub. Thanks, --Willem H. 21:54, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Also added a cover scan. --Willem H. 22:14, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Accepted submission

I accepted the submission that's been in the queue for a few weeks changing the cover image of this pub to one on the ISFDB server, assuming you may have forgotten about it. Mhhutchins 18:23, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Anthony's OX

I'm holding a submission that wants to change the title of your verified pub from Ox to OX. The text of the novel clearly gives the title in capitals. See this discussion. I've changed my edition to the capitalized title. Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:05, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

I am the one that proposed the change (along with a few others) and I was planning to leave a note here but it seems Mhhutchins beat me to it. Uzume 03:18, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
I've accepted the submission because another primary verifier has agreed to the change. Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:45, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Pellucidar vs. Pellucidar

I am planning to convert your verified collection pub to a novel:

  • Pellucidar, (date unknown, Edgar Rice Burroughs, publ. Ace, 0-441-65854-7, $1.50, 191pp, pb, coll) - [VERIFIED]

You claim to have a primary verification so should be able to decide this but for comparison I thought I would reference the following novel pub:

  • Pellucidar, (date unknown, Edgar Rice Burroughs, publ. Ace, #65854, $1.50, 191pp, pb) Cover: Frank Frazetta - [VERIFIED by Dragoondelight]

See ISFDB:Verification requests#Pellucidar vs. Pellucidar for more details. Uzume 14:29, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I guess this has been mostly resolved but I want to ask you for a verification request related to this. Can you look at the following pubs and determine if one of them in a duplicate?
  • Pellucidar, (date unknown, Edgar Rice Burroughs, publ. Ace, #65854, $1.50, 191pp, pb) Cover: Frank Frazetta - [VERIFIED by Dragoondelight]
  • Pellucidar, (date unknown, Edgar Rice Burroughs, publ. Ace, 0-441-65854-7, $1.50, 191pp, pb, coll) - [VERIFIED by Marc Kupper]
And of course if one is a duplicate, please consolidate them. Thanks. Uzume 03:12, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

DAW number

I just edited the entry for this book [44] where you left a note about wanting the DAW collector's number. It is 1320.Don Erikson 20:18, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Midnight at the Well of Souls

I have uploaded an actual cover scan of the 6th printing of Midnight at the Well of Souls and also changed the Notes to reflect this. I also added the comment regarding the incorrect ISBN on the back cover of this printing, and included the roman numeral page numbers on the page count since they are actual. AndonSage 03:17, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Cover art credit for The Wizard of Venus and Pirate Blood

Can you check the spelling of the artist credit for this pub? The more common spelling of his name is "Esteban". Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:30, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

The Ballad of the Quick Levars" in "Liavek: The Players of Luck"

Please see this. I dropped Adam Stemple as co-author of the Jane Yolen poem in Liavek: The Players of Luck. Thanks, --Willem H. 21:10, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

The Paths of the Perambulator cover image

I replaced the default Amazon UK cover image with an actual cover image for your verified The Paths of the Perambulator, and cleaned up the formatting of the Notes while I was doing that. AndonSage 19:15, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Lambda I and Other Stories

I added a cover scan to Lambda I and Other Stories. Thanks, --Willem H. 20:42, 17 February 2011 (UTC)


Added a new image, page count, artist and notes [there were none] to [this]. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:11, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Blockade BIlly

I see you created this record as a novel, but it's already in the database as a chapterbook with two pub records that have been primary verified

. Mhhutchins 20:17, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks - I was puzzled as a while back I checked and there was a record. I held off on verifying as there were discrepancies between how the original verifier had the book and what I had in hand. Today I figured I'd take a crack at it but did not spot that the novel editions are hiding in chapbooks.
I'll delete the publication I added. I just scanned a cover image and so will update 337957's cover which is the second printing. --Marc Kupper|talk 20:29, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

The Best of Leigh Brackett

You are the primary verifier for this book. I have made two small changes in the contents listing. The contents listing said that the in-universe essay "Mars" on p. 365 was a short story by Leigh Brackett. But it's signed by the artist of the maps (Margaret Howes), and the preceding essay by Brackett "About the Maps of Mars" makes it clear that Howes is the author of that short essay, so I have changed that attribution. Also, the essay "About the Maps of Mars" is, technically, part of the "Afterword", but it seems separate enough (with its own title and signature) to justify a separate inclusion as an essay, so I have listed that as such. Chavey 18:27, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

As seems appropriate, the moderator is holding these submissions until you've had a chance to look at them. So the verb tense used in the previous remark is incorrect. Chavey 02:05, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
I'll need to tear my office apart and find the book. To clear the queue I decided to approve the updates. Based on the comments at Publication:THBSCKTTAD1977 it looks like I spent some time thinking about who to credit and why I decided to use Leigh Brackett rather than Margaret Howes. Thus once I find the publication (probably this weekend) I'll revisit this.
You said the p. 365 essay "makes it clear that Howes is the author of that short essay." I read the essay and had written "it's clear that Margaret Howes' only contribution to this collection is the map." Thus the essay seems clear to both of us and we came to opposite conclusions. I suspect the best resolution will be to extract and document exact wording from the essay and leave it up to anyone looking at the record down the road to decide for themselves if Brackett or Howes is the author. As the essay in question states "Margaret M. Howes" as the "author" it seems reasonable that the publication record should state this and that even if Leigh Brackett wrote the essay to honor Howes that Brackett's intent was that Margaret M. Howes be credited.
For the record, the changes were:
  • Mars essay. You changed the author from Leigh Brackett to Margaret Howes and added the note "In-universe essay "by the Survey Commission Office, Kahora, Mars", but actually by the artist who made the Mars maps for Leigh Brackett." Once Michael approves your update I'd like to revise this note to link to Publication:THBSCKTTAD1977 which discusses this essay.
Re-reading those essays, and noting the details on the copyright page, I think that your interpretation of this is exactly correct, and your discussion on that linked page is the right way to document this. Chavey 18:33, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
It's stated on the dust jacket cover and on the title page. The copyright page refers only to his introduction. Chavey 18:33, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
  • You added the essay About the Maps of Mars. That's fine though I'm not sure why did not include that when I first verified the publication. --Marc Kupper|talk 08:27, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
Well, it's sort of contained in the "Addendum", so it doesn't necessarily have to be a separate part of the contents, it just seems to me that it should. Chavey 18:33, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the details on this! Chavey 18:33, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
I've gone back and looked at this again, and I think that I erred on adding the essay "About the Maps of Mars". I was thinking that this was a part of the addendum, but in fact it is the entire addendum. (I may have confused "Addendum" with "Afterword".) Thus what's listed here now as two content items should be a single one. In the book, it lists it as:

About the maps of Mars.
followed by the actual essay. I suggest that the single content item here be called "Addendum: About the Maps of Mars". Thoughts? Chavey 05:27, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Charlotte Stone pseudonym

Could you have a look at [this] discussion, please? Seems to relate to some notes you may have placed. Thanks! --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:35, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

The Science Fiction Hall of Fame, Volume IIB

In this verified pub I changed the title of the Theodore Cogswell story from "The Specter General" to "The Spectre General", as it's in the book. Also added some notes. --Willem H. 19:05, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

And added a coverscan. --Willem H. 18:56, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

The Door Through Space

I've added a content item to your verified edition of this book by Marion Zimmer Bradley. At the very beginning there's a short "Author's Note" which has an interesting little commentary about her thoughts on how the subjects of SF had changed over the years. So that essay seemed worth adding to the contents. Chavey 00:18, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Exile's Song, by Marion Zimmer Bradley

Because of the current standard, I changed the publication date on your verified 7th printing of this book from the date of the original printing to the "0000-00-00" date. Chavey 00:31, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Look at the Submission queue please

You've currently got a couple of edits that look useless - title already gone. Can you clear those and let other moderators maybe see an empty queue for once, please? We're too polite to moderate other moderator's edits, it seems - although I'm happy to let other moderators approve or reject mine. (I'd still appreciate a reason if people reject mine though.) BLongley 00:49, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Done - those were titles from a non-genre author (Parker?). I'd done a mass delete of ~50 titles and it looks like those two tried to escape oblivion. --Marc Kupper|talk 01:03, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! Some rubbish seems to be very hard to delete, but I guess enabling a BFG would be too dangerous even for moderators. BLongley 01:12, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
In this case I wanted to inspect all the records before deleting to see if anyone had added notes. I've sometimes done mass or bulk operations on ISFDB using JavaScript. For example it's easy enough to spool through the publications for a title, post delete URLS, and then post approval URLs. --Marc Kupper|talk 01:33, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Hawkmistress! 4th printing

User:Chavey 0000-00-00'ed the date on your transient-verified Hawkmistress!. This looked right to me (the 1982-09-00 date seems to be for the first printing), especially in light of Willem's undated primary-verified 3rd printing, so I approved it. --MartyD 10:48, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Synopsis of The Dragonbone Chair and Stone of Farewell

You entered the synopses of The Dragonbone Chair and Stone of Farewell as essays. Should this not be shortfiction, and merged with the existing shortfiction versions? Thanks, --Willem H. 18:47, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Coils by Zelazny and Saberhagen

I accepted a submission which updated your verified pub record, correcting the mistaken cover art credit given on the copyright page, and adding a publication date based on Locus1. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:22, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Space Opera

Can you check this verified pub? The pub record (and front cover) say Brian Aldiss, but the contents and title record say Brian W. Aldiss. How are things stated in the pub? Thanks, --Willem H. 16:59, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

This came up on the Stray Authors list (probably same place Willem saw it), so, assuming the record is correct and the book is credited to Brian Aldiss (OCLC agrees), I unmerged it from its present title record and made it a variant of the Brian W. Aldiss title record. The pub record itself was not changed. Mhhutchins 20:42, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

The Golden One by Deborah Chester

Concerning this pub: I don't fully understand why the date and the publisher of the record don't match the book you're verifying (according to the notes). When did Amazon's data (never 100% reliable) take precedence over the data stated in the book itself? Mhhutchins 22:47, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

The reasoning was that this publication is not Ace 0-441-00561-6 which does state "Ace edition / February 1998" but rather is Boulevard 1-57297-278-5 and I ignored the the Ace information that's on the copyright page as this is a Boulevard book. You'll see that the publication record's ISBN is 1-57297-278-5 which is on the stickers and not 0-441-00561-6 which was under the stickers.
I also made the assumption that these are publisher applied stickers and not something a distributor or reseller did. Thus the book was "published" by Boulevard though manufactured by Ace.
The real puzzle is how someone arranged for this to come out two months before the Ace edition. I checked the news archives but there were no announcements about this. The movie came out in May 1998. --Marc Kupper|talk 07:40, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

F&SF May 1988

Replaced the Visco cover for your verified here. Hauck 17:54, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Revolt in 2100

According to the artist's website (, the cover art for this printing is by Stanley Meltzoff. There's no image, but it gives both catalog number, printing and other info that identifies the art for this printing is his work. Mhhutchins 18:02, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

F&SF Covers

Replaced the Visco cover for your verified here and here and here and here. Hauck 16:59, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Holding Wonder

Hi, I've added a cover scan and the LCCN for Holding Wonder.--Dirk P Broer 12:17, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

The Search for PKD

Hello, Marc. I hope the following is of concern to you. I turned the three editions of the book by Anne R. Dick into alternate titles of the 1995 book, but didn't actually merge them. See this discussion for an overview of the how and why. Stonecreek 12:29, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Witch Fantastic

I added a cover scan and a few notes to this pub that you have verified. I also added a reference to the "Introduction" title by Mike Resnick, and fixed a typo in this title (it's now "Honeysuckle Lane", where before it was "Honesuckle Lane"). Hopefully these changes also match your copy of the book. Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 22:26, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

New Amazons, by Margaret Weis

I added a better cover image to your verified edition of this book. (The older image was an Amazon "Look Inside!" image.) Chavey 05:52, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Broken cover image link, DAW 30th Anniversary

Your verified publication Science Fiction: DAW 30th Anniversary has a broken cover image link. This seems odd, since the image was hosted on the ISFDB server, but doesn't seem to be there any more. There is another cover image at Amazon that we could use, but I don't know if you (or one of the secondary verifiers) had put in a better image. So I thought I should leave it to you to figure out how to handle that link. Chavey 15:25, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

I found it at Image:D3NNSFN2002.jpg and fixed the publication record. I'm not sure why the wrong image link was used
  • - old link
  • - good link
There is no evidence the image was deleted and/or re-uploaded. --Marc Kupper|talk 22:49, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
I paid a little more attention and I believe I figured it out. Image:D2NNSFN2002.jpg is the deleted image. It was uploaded by Bluesman on 3 March 2009 with the description "WOLLHEIM/GILBERT: DAW 30th Anniversary SF 1st hc." On 24 April 2011 Bluesman deleted it.
What's less clear is what publication ID D2NNSFN2002 was as that is not in use. Either it was a typo or it was a duplicate record. Bluesman did an OCLC/Worldcat verification of the publication the same day he deleted the D2NNSFN2002 image. --Marc Kupper|talk 00:05, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
Outside chance I entered the tag manually for the first image, but it seems unlikely with the way the process is so automated. I definitely replaced the first image and would have used the "Upload New Image" link for that. Still it should have opened in a page by itself if the two tags didn't match..... got me. Gremlins??¿¿?? --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:15, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

The Mammoth Book of Best New Horror Volume 14

I added a cover image, from Amazon, to your verified publication of this book. (And thanks for finding that cover image from my previous note.) Chavey 03:07, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Legends II

I replaced the default Amazon cover image with a scanned cover image, and fixed the notes to remove references to an Adv. Reader Copy, for your verified Legends II: New Short Novels By The Masters Of Modern Fantasy. AndonSage 05:58, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

If you have a copy and are willing to mark the publication record as verified then what I'd like to do is to delete my primary verification from 2008-10-25 and instead would add a note that I have an ARC copy that can handle many verification questions. You'd add yourself as the Primary1 verifier. --Marc Kupper|talk 18:37, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
That's fine with me. AndonSage 18:48, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
I've removed my Primary1 verification. --Marc Kupper|talk 19:15, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
I added mine. AndonSage 19:24, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


Hello, just in case :
1) I verified on my copy of Analog May 1962. The author is credited as 'Jonathan Blake Mackenzie' on title page and 'Johnathan Blake Mackenzie' on TOC.
2) I've done the same with my Analog December 1963 issue where it's this time 'Johnathan Blake Mackenzie' on TOc and 'Johnathan Blake Mac Kenzie' (with space) on title page.
3) For the Analog October 1965 issue it's 'Johnathan Blake Mackenzie' on TOC and title page.
4) For Analog 3 (1st Panther edition), it's 'Jonathan Blake Mac Kenzie' everywhere. Hauck 10:46, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

The Year's Best Science Fiction No. 3

Replaced the FF scan for your verified The Year's Best Science Fiction No. 3. Hauck 16:58, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Man with a Thousand Names

Just entered the [Canadian] edition/printing of [this]. If the ad page in the back matches the one in your book you may need to alter the date. Possibly different ad in the CDN printing [offers Dickson, Chandler, Tubb, Stableford with highest catalog #1514] --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:29, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

The Dwarves of Whiskey Island

I replaced the Amazon cover image and added notes to your verified The Dwarves of Whiskey Island. AndonSage 23:02, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Mars Probes

Replaced the amazon scan for your verified here. Hauck 14:21, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Mystery Date

Replaced the amazon scan for your verified here. Hauck 16:29, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Front Lines

Replaced the amazon scan for your verified here. Hauck 16:35, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


Replaced the amazon scan and added notes for your verified here. Hauck 05:24, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Space Inc.

Replaced the amazon scan for your verified here. Hauck 05:26, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I, Alien

Replaced the amazon scan for your vefrified here. Hauck 16:26, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Soviet SF artist credit

Can you confirm that the cover for this anthology is credited to "Don-Ivan Punchatz" (with a hyphenated first name)? Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:55, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Despatches from the Frontiers of the Female Mind

I added notes (there were none) to this verified pub, and made one change. The Pamela Zoline title was a variant of another title, where author and story were spelled exactly the same. I undid the variant and merged them instead. Thanks, --Willem H. 19:26, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


Replaced the amazon scan for your verified here. Hauck 05:14, 30 June 2011 (UTC)


Replaced the amazon scan for your verified here. Hauck 05:24, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Out of the Silent Planet

Hi, could you please remove your primary verification from this pub so that it can be deleted. The correct record for 1965 edition is this one: there were no ISBNs in '65 and $2.95 is a bit expensive for pb :-) Cheers, P-Brane 01:53, 12 July 2011 (UTC).

Hello P-Brane. The publication I verified is the 35th printing which was priced at $2.95. The other record is for an earlier printing, possibly the first printing - we don't know yet. We usually do one record per printing though I see someone updated the record I'd verfified to add that the 31st printing was also $2.95. I updated the record I had verified to change the date to 0000-00-00. It should not have been 1965-00-00.
If you look at the title record for Out of the Silent Planet you will see there are several Macmillan editions:
Printing Price Date
unknown $0.951965-00-00
Fifteenth $1.251973-00-00
Sixteenth $1.251973-00-00
Seventeenth $1.251974-00-00
Twenty-first $1.501977-00-00
Twenty-Second $1.951977-00-00
Twenty-sixth $1.951979-00-00
Unknown $2.500000-00-00
31st $2.950000-00-00
I need to take another look at the book to see if I can spot a clue that will allow us to date it better than some time after 1979. One puzzle is that Macmillan seemed to have stopped using that name for paperbacks in 1979. ISFDB shows nearly all hc editions from that date on out. When I track down the book I'll also check how the publisher name is formatted. This may belong under one of the Macmillan imprints. --Marc Kupper|talk 23:41, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! That's fine. Dos your printing have cover as shown? Amazon UK has this cover for 17th printing (at 1.25). This one at 1.50[?] for 1975 and this one at 1.95 with incorrect date. Cheers, P-Brane 00:57, 13 July 2011 (UTC).
I scanned my cover to Image:TFTHSLNTPV1965.jpg. The painting is the same for all the covers. It looks like they changed from black to white lettering between the 21st and 22nd printing.
I also updated the publication record as I'd mistakenly called it a 35th printing above as the old notes were not clear as I had "31 to 35." The number line is "35 34 33 32 31".
The amazon page at has a couple of decent cover images including one at $2.50. I added a new row to the table above at $2.50 plus corrected the row for the 35th printing to note it's the 31st. --Marc Kupper|talk 09:15, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Added gutter codes

I added a reprint gutter code for your verified [45].Don Erikson 22:32, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Sword & Sorceress XI

You wanted to know what was on the bottom of the spine for [this] pub.

U.S. [over] $4.99 [over] CAN. [over] $5.99 [over] 0-88677- [over] 614-7
Removed the request from the notes. --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:37, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Varles - Millennium - Added Reprint code

I added a reprint code note "Gutter code "O13" [verified] on page 210 indicates a March 1984 re-printing date." to your verified pub Millennium Kevin 18:15, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Ann Maxwell's Change

You verified this book, and have listed a catalog number/SBN number of "415-00316-125". My copy of the book lists these numbers (in both places) as "445-00316-125" (different 2nd digit). My assumption is that this was a typo, and hence I've corrected it. But you had also listed a "derived ISBN" number from that in your notes, and I don't know how to get the check digit, so I deleted that portion of the note. If you want to add that back in, with a corrected ISBN, please do. Chavey 03:25, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Question regarding Prince of Annwn

I have a question regarding your verified Prince of Annwn 5th printing. The record shows "Pages: xii+179" however there are no roman numeral pages printed in the book. Shouldn't that be "Pages: [xii]+179" then? Also, the first line of content "On Evangeline Walton - And Magic" should have page [ix] (with the brackets), right? I might be misunderstanding the use of the brackets, though. Also, I uploaded a scanned cover image to replace the default Amazon UK image. AndonSage 03:23, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Blood of Amber

I added a cover scan to this verified pub to replace a broken Amazon link. Thanks, --Willem H. 19:34, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

"Foreward" in Ole Doc Methuselah

When you get a chance, could you please check whether the "Foreward" is spelled that way in your verified Ole Doc Methuselah, whether it's shortfiction rather than an essay and whether it's attributed to René Lafayette rather than to L. Ron Hubbard? TIA! Ahasuerus 15:28, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

The Ring - cover image and notes

I replaced the default Amazon cover image with a scanned image, and added some notes to your verified The Ring. AndonSage 06:42, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

The Inheritors / Gateway to Never

Added scan for your verified The Inheritors / Gateway to Never. Hauck 16:53, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

"The Broken Lands" Signature

Marc, in the Artists Signatures collection, you have a page for an "unknown" signature for Saberhagen's The Broken Lands. The signature is that of Jack Gaughan. But the book itself how says that the cover is by Richard Powers, says that his last name is signed on the cover (not your image), but does say that there is a title page illustration with Gaughan's initials (i.e. your image) on it. My guess is that this answers the question you were asking with that page, and that the page can probably be removed now. Or at the very least, updated. Chavey 14:56, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

The Golden Compass - notes

While I was editing books #2 and #3 of the "His Dark Materials" series, I went ahead and added in notes to your verified The Golden Compass. Part of this was to explain why the October 2001 date is used (the books are part of a boxed set). The rest was more info from the copyright page. BTW, I was wondering why you have a '+[5]' in the pages field? I thought we didn't count pages with ads at the end of a book. AndonSage 05:09, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the extra notes you added. Usually when I've done the '+[5]' thing in the page count I also added a note explaining what was there such as blank pages, advertising, author bios, etc. I forgot the note and so removed the '+[5]' from the ISFDB record rather than hunting down where I stored my copy of the book. For a while I was working on documenting the physical structure of each publication. For example, the publisher reports this as a 368 page book and in this case we had 'xii+351+[5]' which adds up to 368 pages meaning the publisher's description was accurate and someone looking at the record could know exactly how many physical pages were in the work. I'm no longer doing this as it was extra work and seemed to be of little value to others looking at the records. --Marc Kupper|talk 18:15, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

4th or 5th printing of A Medicine for Melancholy

Hi, Marc! I seem to have the same printing of this collection (at least it has the same price of $0.60 and the same catalogue #H3398), but on the copyright it mentions only four printings, so I guess it is the fourth printing, not the fifth (another printing from the same year is also considered to be the fifth). Could you check this one? Stonecreek 10:28, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Sense of Wonder

I see that the TOC for Sense of Wonder hasn't been typed in yet. For those interested in doing it, I've done a scan. And I didn't quite know where to put it, so I hope you know where it should be, and can help me get it there. Ommadawndk 22:11, 24 October 2011 (UTC)


[47] and [48]

Shaw's Other Days, Other Eyes

As one of the primary verifiers, you may be interested to know that several items noted in this record are no longer true. The point about it being listed in the ISFDB as a collection may have been valid at one time, but that's since changed. The listing of stories in this fix-up have been added to the title record, so it's no necessary to repeat them here. Also, the artist identified by his signature "JHB" is J. H. Breslow who painted several other Ace covers during this period. Mhhutchins 06:29, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Imprisoned with the Pharaohs in Dagon and Other Macabre Tales

I changed the appearance of "Imprisoned with the Pharaohs" in the first printing of Dagon and Other Macabre Tales to the variant that is by H. P. Lovecraft and Harry Houdini, as it is credited in my copy. I'm fairly certain that Arkham House wouldn't have changed the credit and I'm going to change the other printings aside from yours. Could you check your copy to see how that story is credited. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:58, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Mutant 59

Added a cover image to this record. Mhhutchins 22:02, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Sign of the Unicorn Roger Zelazny 15th printing

Wrong price in this pub (Price: $2.95). In note you write that the price is $3.50. BarDenis 19:20, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Sign of Chaos Roger Zelazny 1st&2nd printings

Uploaded new cover art for 1st and 2nd printings. BarDenis 21:07, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Cherryh's Deliverer

I just verified "Deliverer" by C.J. Cherryh. ISBN: 978-0-7564-3. My copy shows a full line 1-10 and First Paperback Printing, January 2008. I only recently started editing and didn't realize I needed to contact the Primary verifier before editing the publication date. Please contact Mhhutchins about this edit.--Teddybear 21:42, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Marc, please check your copy. In the meantime, I'm going to accept the submission to change the date. Please make any further changes if necessary. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:53, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

The Last of the Mohicans?

Apparently, you added "The Last of the Mohicans", by James Fenimore Cooper, to the ISFDB. It doesn't seem like there's any speculative fiction in there. If you disagree, could you visit the conversation at the Community Portal? Chavey 19:30, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Ole Doc Methuselah

Is the spelling of the foreword in this record correct? Mhhutchins 03:42, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

The Queen of Swords cover

User:Nimravus has added a cover image to your verified The Queen of Swords. --MartyD 17:16, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Inheritors of Earth

I changed several items in the notes to Inheritors of Earth by Anderson and Eklund. First Edition is indeed on the copyright page, second line left. Publication date is given by Currey, at least the year. Bob 05:08, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Earthman's Burden

The note to the Avon 1979 Earthman's Burden states "First Camelot Printing, January 1979". My version has that as 1970 which matches the actual Camelot publication. Can you double check the copyright page of your version? I will leave a note for the other verifiers as well. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 01:36, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Typo fixed. --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:02, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

A Plague of Pythons (Pub Update)

Hello, Marc. I have added an image scan and added notes to your verified pub. John L. Syzygy 05:49, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Earthman's Burden

Please see this discussion. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 16:12, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Valor's Choice by Tanya Huff

  • just added a note about the cover art and credit in the book. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ofearna (talkcontribs) .

Castle Dreams - cover image

I replaced the Amazon cover image with a scanned cover image for your verified Castle Dreams. AndonSage 19:39, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

The Gap into Conflict: The Real Story

Hi Marc. Can you check the author credit on your verified here? I think it should be "Stephen Donaldson"--to the best of my knowledge, he never gets an "R" in his name in the UK. Jcameron 10:41, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Added cover images

I added cover images to our jointly-verified Here Abide Monsters, by Andre Norton, and Merlin's Mirror. Chavey 14:59, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Also to Shadow on the Stones, by Moyra Caldecott, and The Bloody Sun, by Marion Zimmer Bradley. Chavey 17:02, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

The Argonaut Affair

I expanded the notes on The Argonaut Affair. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:46, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Sos the Rope

I'm adding cover art credit to Sos the Rope for Patrick Woodroffe -- it's the same image used for the cover of the Battle Circle trilogy omnibus by same artist. Ofearna 03:45, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

My verified "Analog 3" and your "Randall Garrett" mini project

You left a note on my talk page in June 2011 regarding my verified copy of Analog 3 and your Randall Garrett mini project. I'm not sure if this is still relevant, so I just leave the information about the author's name here. The name is printed consistently as "Jonathan Blake Mac Kenzie" all over the book; I have made out 5 places where it appears: The credits page (opposite the copyright page), the table of contents, the actual story title page, the heading on all of the story's pages, and the back cover. Hope this helps, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 19:58, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Beholder's Eye

I Added an OCLC Cat# to the note field of ypur verified pub of Beholder's Eye --John L.-- Syzygy 04:45, 6 April 2012 (UTC)


ReVisions -- correcting cover art credit to Kenn Brown & Chris Wren, per author's website.Ofearna 10:50, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Blish's Galactic Cluster

Uploaded cover image for Galactic Cluster by Blish. Mhhutchins 17:32, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

3 from Out There

Added scan for your verified here. Hauck 12:45, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

R is for Rocket

I came across this, most likely your work. I own a copy of the 14th printing, so I updated the data for the 9th and 12th printings. A few remarks:

Some of the printings say "Printing date from copyright page of 14th printing". My copy explicitly states publication dates. Can I correct this?
You verified the 10th printing with a publication date of May 1971, source: the 14th printing. My copy gives the publication date of the 10th printing as August, 1970.
That ISFDB record for the 10th printing says the 1971-05-00 date is from the 14th printing but the ISFDB record for the 14th printing does not detail what the stated printing history is. I'm guessing that the sourcing to the 14th printing was done by someone else and I assumed it was correct. As the 14th you have in hand says my 10th is August, 1970 I went ahead and did this correction. Thank you. --Marc Kupper|talk 18:01, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Data for the 7th printing are inconsistent. Yours states January 1969, mine sais February 1969.
That will be more problematic as I put a lot of books in a set of crates and now need to find which crate R is for Rocket is in. Let's go ahead with this fix and when I run across my copy I'll double check the date for the 7th printing. If mine has January 1969 then we'll just add notes that the 10th printing says "January 1969" while the 14th says "February 1969." --Marc Kupper|talk 18:01, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
The cover artist is Paul Lehr. This is confirmed by Jane Frank in "Science Fiction and Fantasy Artists of the Twentieth Century"
perfect and thank you. I updated the 10th printing. --Marc Kupper|talk 18:01, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

I'll update the 14th printing and inform the other verifiers. --Willem H. 15:35, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

"Pale Phoenix", by Kathryn Reiss

Your verified edition of this book was the only one in the system with a publisher listed as "Harcourt Brace & Company", so I changed it to "Harcourt, Brace & Company" to match the many others spelled that way. Chavey 13:51, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Places to Be, People to Kill

I'm adding the Daw Collectors in Pub Series on this book Places to Be, People to Kill Thanks! Ofearna 20:17, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Also, for Changing the World. Ofearna 20:29, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Fate Fantastic

adding image correction to Fate Fantastic - ate it. ^_^ Ofearna 23:01, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Moving Targets

adding image correction to Moving Targets - ate it. ^_^ Ofearna 23:02, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Sos the rope

Replaced scan for your verified here. Hauck 16:48, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Platinum Pohl

I've updated what appears to be an older Verification of yours. Platinum Pohl has been updated to include the Locus information (Price) in the actual database record. I've also removed the following note, since the question from 4+ years ago seems to me to be moot (shrug). "It's not clear from the ISFDB rules if the Copyright Acknowledgments section should be included in the page numbering. It is not listed in the table of contents. The last story ends on page 460. Pages 462 and 463 of the Copyright Acknowledgments are numbered." If you feel strongly that they should not belong at this point, we can easily remove them. Additionally, per the current standards, I believe this essay should be credited to 'uncredited' instead of Frenkel, but I defer to whatever you would prefer. I have similarly spruced up the next sentence "Following this is a single unnumbered page containing an About the Author section" to instead state "Following the copyright acknowledgments, there is a single unnumbered page containing an About the Author section." Cheers - Kevin 21:25, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

A Visitor from Outer Space

Hi Marc, you requested in a Note that a verifier contact you re. this pub. I've just added some details to the Note and will verify on mod approval. You have questions, you say... and you may also be interested to know I've added another Collier edition of Soviet Science Fiction. Thanks. PeteYoung 19:10, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

PS. Have just seen your talk item, June 2010. Nothing further to add on what's been said already (ie. no editor identified, no indication of the involvement of Brunner, no introduction), except that I've now verified the pub. Thanks. PeteYoung 13:39, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

The Masterharper of Pern

Hi Marc, adding some details to the Note and Content (interior art) to this verified pub. Thanks. PeteYoung 16:57, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

"Breed to Come", by Andre Norton

I'm verifying a copy of this book, for which you are now the primary verifier. The notes on that book, presumably from Harry/Dragoondelight say "©1972 No other statement of publication or printing". However, my copy (with all other data the same) says "First Ace Printing: September 1973". My cover is also slightly different than the one shown at the link above. The art is the same, but the label at the upper right says "An Ace Book" on my copy, but just "Ace" on that picture -- which means that my label comes down far enough to nearly reach the "E" in "Come". So it seems to me that there are two different printings here. My guess is that I have a 1st printing, and Harry had a 2nd printing. But I wanted to get other opinions before I made any comments in the pub record. Chavey 03:28, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

With Ace anything is possible. Usually any five-digit catalog # ending in '0' or '5' was a first printing, but if we have two with the same number, there's honestly no way to tell which might be the true first. I'd tend toward the one with an actual printing statement, of course. And there seem to be nine printings using only six catalog #s [07895-07900] so there are several duplications possible [though Ace did most of that in the early 80s, not the early 70s]. At the very least there should be two records for 07895, not just making notes the only place the differences are shown. --~ Bill, Bluesman 04:48, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Possibly a typo...

... in your verified pub? Could it be Michael Enzweiler instead of Eznweiler? Stonecreek 19:21, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Tarzan the Untamed

I've added a cover scan to your verified record for Burroughs' Tarzan the Untamed. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:16, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Regarding a Lewis Carroll Entry

I'm a neophyte at this site and recently I entered a 1923 edition of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland into this site, but I ran into a glich. I entered the poem The Lobster-Quadrille from the text, all well and fine, but I can't merge my entry and yours without your say so. Yours is unhyphenated, my is. I suspect that my listing is the correct titling as I'm lifting the title right from the text of the novel. However, one of ours has to be listed as a variant. I've been told to contact you and ask if you can verify that yours has no hyphen. Nit-picking to be sure, but I've only been doing this for a couple of months and who am I to argue? I'm sorry I can't link anything right now, but my mouse seems to be acting up. MLB 12:31, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and since you're the go-to guy for DAWs, now that Greenberg is gone, do you think that they will continue his line of anthologies? MLB 12:35, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

The Man Who Fell to Earth (adapted)

In this record, it seems that "Alpha Science Fiction" is a publication series, not a publisher. Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:52, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

"Army of the Fantastic", by Marco & Helfers

In your verified copy of this book there is a note, presumably by you, about the confusion with the book saying it's DAW Collector's #1401 on the copyright page and saying it's DAW Collector's #1402 on the cover. You also note that you believe it to correctly be DAW #1402. To validate your conclusion, I added a link to your note to take the reader to the correct DAW #1401. Chavey 21:00, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

The Dragon and the Stars

According to the OCLC record and an Amazon Look-Inside the Collectors No. of this title is 1511. Can you confirm the number in your copy? Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:00, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Valor's Choice

I added the publication month, some notes regarding the printing statement and Canadian price and a pub series to Huff's Valor's Choice. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:28, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Migration and Riders of the Storm

Added Canadian cover price plus a Roman numeral page count to Julie Czerneda's Migration; also increased the Roman numeral page count from "vii" to "viii" in Riders of the Storm. Thanks PeteYoung 00:32, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

G-Force Design jacket credits as Interior Art records

Hi Marc, this morning I've come across several title records for G-Force jacket designs included as records for Interior Art, mostly (seemingly) created by yourself circa 2007 for various verified DAW pubs (eg. here and here). As the consensus these days seems to be for the jacket designer to be listed in the Note rather than have a separate title record wherever the cover artist is identified, would you have any objection to these credits being moved to the Notes when an editor finds them, and the title record removed from the verified pub (as I have done here, as an example)? Such a removal would of course be dependent upon the cover design not actually being reproduced as Interior Art inside the pub. What do you think? Thanks. PeteYoung 02:15, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

"The Rape of the Sun", by Ian Wallace

You are now the primary verifier for this book. It was listed as being "DAW 408". However, Tanith Lee's "Day by Night" claims to be DAW 408, and the cover of "Rape of the Sun" fairly clearly reads "468". Consequently, I have assumed this to be a typo, and corrected the DAW number in this publication record. Chavey 18:24, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

"Deepwood", by Jennifer Roberson

Your verified copy of this publication is listed with a note that it is "DAW Book Collectors No. 732". However, that number seems to disagree with the year of publication, that number is also claimed by Arrow's Fall, and WorldCat claims that the actual DAW number is 1407. Could you check your copy and see if WorldCat is correct? Thanks, Chavey 18:49, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

"The Dragon and the Stars", Eric Choi , Derwin Mak

You verified this book against a library copy, and there was a note there that said this was DAW Collectors 1151. That DAW number is also used by The Chanur Saga (May 2000). "Dragon and the Stars" is a 2010 publication, hence should have a DAW # of at least 1497. Sure enough, WorldCat lists it as DAW 1511, a simple typo from the number listed. As such, I corrected this from 1151 to 1511. I doubt it's worth a trip to the library to verify this. Chavey 19:53, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

The Wizard of Venus and Pirate Blood

I uploaded a cover scan for Burroughs' The Wizard of Venus and Pirate Blood. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:18, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

"Spirit Fox", by Mickey Zucker Reichert & Jennifer Wingert

Your verified copy of this paperback edition includes a note that it is a "Stated First Printing, January 2000". I added a note that "This appears to ignore the earlier 1998 DAW hardcover edition." Chavey 02:42, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

DAW Collectors publication series

I and a couple of other editors are trying to formalize the DAW Collectors Books publication series. The consensus is that we should include only those publications that explicitly list their DAW number, either on the cover, the spine, or the copyright page. This applies to, apparently, all first editions and to some reprint editions, but not to most of the reprints. You have verified several DAW reprint editions where the notes list the DAW number. However, I can't tell from the wording in the notes whether this number is listed because (i) it was actually stated on the book; or (ii) the number was inherited from other editions with the DAW number listed. If you have the time, I would appreciate it if you could check these reprints and when they have the number actually listed, update the notes to reflect that. For example, adding "(on cover)" to a phrase like "DAW Collectors No. 123". The publications you've verified that fall into this scenario are:

Thanks much, Chavey 05:58, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Are you aware of the Publisher:DAW pages? I personally would not bother with creating a publisher series per the usual ISFDB rules stated at Template:PublicationFields:PubSeries plus Help:Screen:PublicationSeries as we'd be finessing a level of detail that does not seem to add value to ISFDB. The ISFDB publisher series is based on publications. The DAW collector numbers are a title-based value. DAW has stated the book number on reprints since around 1984 meaning from that point to the present the publisher series would include all publications (first hc and pb and all reprints).
You may want to see if there's consensus to special case the publication series field for DAW and to only include the first edition, which may be a hc or pb, of each title. That would give you one record per title much like what's on Publisher:DAW/Titles1.
If you look at a page such as Publisher:DAW/1-99 you'll see I've put a dash "-" in the "Book #" column for those publications that do not state the book number.
I'll go through your list above and double check the DAW #s. It'll motivate me to move all of the DAW books to one bookshelf. At present they are scattered throughout the house and finding the books has become difficult. --Marc Kupper|talk 17:01, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

I hadn't actually looked at the publisher page you mentioned. That page certainly does have an awful lot of useful information. But I'm not sure that eliminates the value of having the publication series, which was the conclusion of this discussion, although not everyone thinks it's necessary. So I've been going ahead and working on that series, and adding those printings that are verified as having the DAW # on them. Chavey 16:10, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

The Lobster[-]Quadrille

Hi. If you get a chance, would you check on this query about whether "The Lobster Quadrille" in your verified The Hunting of the Snark: and other Nonsense Verse is by any chance hyphenated? I have had the proposed merge (that would add hyphenation) on hold for quite some time. I tried poking around some other sources but couldn't find anything definitive. Thanks. --MartyD 02:21, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

I've rejected the merge and made it a variant for now. If you discover there's a hyphen in your pub, we can always merge them. --MartyD 11:53, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

McCaffrey's Dragonflight

Could you confirm the date given for this record? Its printing number, price, publisher name, and catalog number are out of sequence with other pub records for this title. It appears to be identical to another record in the database for August 1976. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 16:44, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

"Sun in Glory and Other Tales of Valdemar"

I added a couple of minor notes to your verified publication (i.e. Canadian price and location of DAW #). I corrected the author of the short story Starhaven from "Stephanie Shaver" (as listed in the ToC) to "Stephanie D. Shaver" (as listed on the story title page). Chavey 04:42, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Uploaded cover scan for and corrected publication date (typo?).SFJuggler 03:53, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Hunters of Gor

I added a publication year to Hunters of Gor I gleaned from The Complete John Norman website... Ofearna 20:18, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

But you didn't source the data in the actual record. It is ISFDB policy not to make submissions that make major changes in a verified record without first consulting with the primary verifier. This submission should have been held for discussion. Mhhutchins 15:32, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Added notes

I added printing number line, catalog number & Canadian price to your verified [49].22:18, 10 November 2012 (UTC)


Hi Marc, Happy Thanksgiving! You left a note for a verifier of this [50]. I verified both cover color versions of 1962 printings but don't have the 1964.Don Erikson 19:49, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Exploding Suns - Asimov

Added cover scan and illustrator notes.SFJuggler 19:37, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

The Ancient Engineers

Re: The Ancient Engineers
Replacing Amazon image with image scanned from personal collection. Adding LCCN to notes.--Astromath 17:13, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Better Off Undead

I have this book and it does have the Fantasy DAW logo at the top and the white box at the bottom with US/Can prices at the bottom of the spine. Ofearna 22:34, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Ghost Walker

Re: Ghost Walker
Adding artist and where found.--Astromath 19:04, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

The Door Through Space [2]

Have identified one artist for [this] from another set of covers, linked in the notes. --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:17, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

The Lord's Pink Ocean

Re: The Lord's Pink Ocean
I don't see how the ISBN listed (0-87997-067-7) can be derived from the pseudo-ISBN on the spine (451-UQ1067-095). They don't even look the same. This is despite the fact that the listed ISBN can be searched for. Since you are the primary verifier, I request the ISBN be changed to the catalog #.--Astromath 04:41, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Out of the Deeps

Re: Out of the Deeps
Replacing Amazon image with one of better quality scanned from personal collection. Adding reference to no number line & LCCN to notes.--Astromath 14:44, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Whelan's To Green Angel Tower

Can I get your permission to unmerge the image here from this list so I can merge it with this correct list and I'll variant both to the Michael Whelan cover image? Ofearna 08:35, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I think we figured out a way to do it ... O'Fearna 04:40, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Dragon's Treasure by Elizabeth Lynn

Added notes to Dragon's Treasure. No changes or deletions, just additional info. BungalowBarbara 22:29, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Also updated URL for cover image to one that may be more stable. Images themselves are (currently) identical and match my copy. BungalowBarbara 02:40, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Introductions in My Favorite Horror Story

Are the introductions to each story in this anthology given the name of the story they introduce? Or are they titled "Introduction" in which case we would disambiguate the title by adding the title of the story parenthetically (instead of the reverse)? Or are they titled at all? Thanks for looking. Mhhutchins 19:18, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

A Canadian print question

I have a 4th printing of your verified [51]. Mine says printed in Canada, does yours?Don Erikson 20:01, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Witch Fantastic

I swapped to a local cover image for Witch Fantastic, which you verified. O'Fearna 04:33, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

I added the Canadian price to your verified

I added the Canadian price and verified the number line, where there seemed to be some doubt, to your verified [52].Don Erikson 23:54, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

I added the Canadian price to your verified

I added the Canadian price to your verified [53].Don Erikson 18:34, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

The Star Wasps

Hi! Added cover credit for your verified 47843 from "Outermost: The Art + Life of Jack Gaughan". Thank you. ForJohnScalzi 00:47, 26 February 2013 (UTC).

Merlin's Descendents

You have verified several novels in the Merlin's Descendents series. Would you mind double checking the spelling of "Descendents" vs. "Descendants"? The cover images show it spelled with an "A" so I'm assuming a typo in the series name. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:02, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Forgotten submission?

Perhaps you overlooked this submission? It looks fine, and I would have accepted it for you, but they've changed the software and no one can touch another moderator's submission. (You might want to add that it actually won two other prestigious children's book awards. Mhhutchins 16:24, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, I had missed that one. I added the other awards plus link to Wikipedia. The award win I added initially came to my attention as the publisher had a sticker on the book. I wondered what it was for as it did not state award win, etc. --Marc Kupper|talk 15:26, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

The Animal People

Hi, quick question in re your verified 192893. Could you please checj the bottom of the last page, it might have the code of type "XX-XX" corresponding to the month and year of the publication. If none is present, could you please set the pub date to unknown (0000-00-00) by isfdb standard. I've left the same message with the other PV. Thank you, ForJohnScalzi 07:26, 26 April 2013 (UTC).

The Automated Goliath/The Three Suns of Amara

Not sure when you'll see this, but could you have a look at [this] discussion, please? Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:56, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

I added the Canadian price to your verified

I added the Canadian price to your verified [54].Don Erikson 19:29, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Anubis Gates gif

This image far exceeds our standard size limits. Is it actually a cover of the book? I can't imagine a book whose art changes every few seconds. :) Mhhutchins 17:12, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

I went to the link you attached to the image file, and see that this gif represents the 3-D cover. I'm still concerned about the size of the file and the fair-use claim. Mhhutchins 17:16, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

I was having some fun and wondered how many people would notice a cover that changes. :-) I too had thoughts about the fair-use aspect plus I don't feel that GIF accurately shows how the cover changes. I'll see if I can make a non-animated image that shows the three versions side-by-side. --Marc Kupper|talk 17:26, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
I've created a new version that's 54kb. It's still animated. Do you think that'll work or should I use three static images? --Marc Kupper|talk 05:41, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Looks fine to me. It works well within the fair-use doctrine, especially at it's much reduced resolution. Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:50, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

"Destiny's Road", by Larry Niven

At some point, the notes to your verified publication ended up listing the OCLC number as being the ISBN number. I corrected that. Chavey 04:03, 31 August 2013 (UTC)


Can you confirm the date given in this record? The ISBN, printing number, and price would indicate a 1976 printing, and it would be the same as this record. There is a ninth printing in October 1977 with a higher price and higher-numbered ISBN than your August 1978 (seventh) printing. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 04:15, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

After posting this I remembered the same question was asked about a year ago, but there was never any response. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:18, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

One last question: was it published under the Del Rey imprint? The record doesn't indicate this. Mhhutchins 04:19, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

The Fleet

I have a scan of the second edition you entered here:

I'll upload it assuming you have no objectionProf beard 13:19, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

"How I Write: The Secret Lives of Authors", by Crowe & Oltermann

I would like to disambiguate two different publishers: Rizzoli and Rizzoli New York. This involves changing the publisher on three books from the New York company. These two publishers appear to be fundamentally different companies, although they are both branches of the conglomerate "RCS Media Group". Your copy of "Secret Lives of Authors" is the only verified book from Rizzoli New York, and I'm hopeful that you will agree with this disambiguation. (Or, of course, let me know if you do not.) I've put an overview of the situation, as I understand it, on the Rizzoli publisher page, with links to various relevant web pages if you wish to look at them. If, as I suspect, "Rizzoli New York" lists themselves on the title page as just "Rizzoli", this would be a useful note to add to the publisher page. Of course another obvious way to disambiguate them would be to use "Rizzoli (New York)", but since that company's web page lists themselves as "Rizzoli New York", that seemed to be the obvious name to use. Thanks, Chavey 04:37, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Comic Crusaders

I added the Publisher's Series and series number, as well as words to the notes for Cosmic Crusaders. Bob 20:55, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

The Hugo Winners, Volume One and Two

I added another gutter code to the notes for The Hugo Winners, Volume One and Two. Bob 19:42, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

About the Author (The Tombs of Atuan)

Please see this discussion regarding the About the Author which appears in your verified The Tombs of Atuan. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:02, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

"To Say Nothing of the Dog", by Connie Willis

You verified the Sagebrush Library edition of this book (about 5 years ago). The Sagebrush books appear in our system as by "Sagebrush Education Resources", "Rebound by Sagebrush", and just "Sagebrush", such as with this book. I would like to combine them under one publisher title. Since there is also a "Sagebrush Press" (although with no spec fic books yet), it seemed better to list them as "Sagebrush Education Resources". Yours is the only other verified pub, so I hope it's ok with you to make this change. Chavey 03:35, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

The Overlords of War

Have replaced the Amazon link with a scan of a verified copy Prof beard 13:00, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Sword and Sorceress XX

Expanded notes (date statement, Canadian price) and added cover scan for Sword and Sorceress XX. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:27, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

The Castaways of Tanagar

Have replaced the Amazon image with a scan of my verified copy in The Castaways of Tanagar Prof beard 13:53, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

I added the Canadian price to your verified

I added the Canadian price to your verified [55].Don Erikson 23:11, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Man in His Time

Hi. Can you check this record, please? My copy has Appearance of Life as "An Appearance of Life" which is already a variant title. Many thanks. --AliHarlow 08:56, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Since that is the title as given in AliHarlow's copy, as well as the hardcover edition and a second printing of this edition (both primary verified), I have changed it. Mhhutchins 17:27, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

The Year's Best Science Fiction 3

Added note to your verified about ISBN number not appearing as such on book (created from serial number + Sphere prefix). Thanks. Linguist 14:19, 31 March 2014 (UTC).


Replaced cover scan of your verified with a new oner (bette definition, no sticker on cover). Thanks. Linguist 21:13, 2 April 2014 (UTC).

Thank you - the replacement image is much better. I'm not sure why I left the price sticker on my copy. --Marc Kupper|talk 05:11, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

The Far-Out Worlds of A. E. van Vogt

Added note on publication date to The Far-Out Worlds of A. E. van Vogt. Also fixed typo ("covert" artist to "cover" artist). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SFJuggler (talkcontribs) 03:30, 18 May 2014 (UTC).

Actually, you changed the publication date field. These changes should be discussed with the primary verifier before making the submission. I'll keep it on hold until the PV editor has a chance to look at it. Mhhutchins 04:10, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
To be frank, I'm not that fond of such a level of precision when it's not backed by "harder" evidence (a printing date on the book itself, a review slip...). Hauck 18:50, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
In general I tend to agree with Hervé, but in this case, there is no stated publication date in the book itself. So secondary sources are the only ones available to date this book, and the source that SFJuggler provides is the only one that's been found. (The editor who entered the original date of October 1968 didn't give a source at all.) Mhhutchins 19:28, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
Rules and standards discussions#Stated publication date vs. actual publication date? is a discussion about this. There was another discussion that I can't spot at present on if we should add more precision when it's available from secondary sources. IIRC, it was that a if publication stated year-month and Amazon has year-month-day if we should use year-month-00 in the ISFDB record or the full yyyy-mm-dd available from Amazon. I've gone back and forth myself on the issue. For a long time I was in favor of including more precise information when a source was available and documented. More recently I have only gone by what's stated and only enter a note about the more precise date. It's not a strongly held opinion though.
Unrelated but I'd like to make it easy for the casual surfer to discover what is meant by terms such as "Catalog of Copyright", BLIC, LCCN. BLIC is on Sources of Bibliographic Information but not the other two.
I don't mind the change from 1968-10-00 to 1968-10-02 as the latter date is sourced.
However, the submitter is proposing to delete what I believe to be useful data from the notes. Here's the submission with a strikeout and the new material in red.
  • The printing date and number are not stated. The source of the 1968-10-00 date for this ISFDB record is unknown. Tuck, Currey and Contento do not give a month. Publication date from Catalog of Copyright entry A00000033807.
  • Cover artist credit on copyright page.
  • Page [2] has an About the Author essay written by Forrest J. Ackerman. It serves as an introduction to the collection though it does not indicate if Ackerman was the editor that assembled the collection.
  • NO BLIC.
  • No LCCN.
  • OCLC: 2702776.
I'd like the first line to mention that Tuck, Currey and Contento do not give a month to make it clear there is not widespread consensus on the date. Thus I'd prefer if the first line has.
  • The printing date and number are not stated. Tuck, Currey and Contento do not give a month. Publication date from Catalog of Copyright entry A00000033807.
--Marc Kupper|talk 21:11, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
I will accept the submission and restore the data as you suggest. (Not that it makes much difference, since I'm not a verifying editor, but I agree with your suggested restoration.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:04, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

The Drylands

Check out the lower left-hand corner of the back cover for artist credit on The Drylands.SFJuggler 02:19, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Murder, She Workshopped

I added the comma to Murder, She Workshopped so that the title matches the title page of the first printing of A Girl's Guide to Guns and Monsters. As this also impacts your verified second printing, please let me know if that printing didn't have the comma and all make the appropriate variant. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:34, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

The Year's Best Science Fiction: Sixteenth Annual Collection

Uploaded a new cover scan of your verified (better definition). Thanks. Linguist 10:48, 7 August 2014 (UTC).

In the Country of the Blind

I've replaced the Amazon cover of your verified pub with the correct cover. Hopefully it matches yours. Jack Sjmathis 13:58, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

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