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I am now only checking this page very infrequently. You do not need to inform me about the addition/import of contents, other prices, publication details from Locus or other minor changes - just go ahead and amend the record as necessary. Anything else please continue to post messages here and I will (eventually) respond.




Hello, Mavmaramis, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

Note: Image uploading isn't entirely automated. You're uploading the files to the wiki which will then have to be linked to the database by editing the publication record.

Please be careful in editing publications that have been primary verified by other editors. See Help:How to verify data#Making changes to verified pubs. But if you have a copy of an unverified publication, verifying it can be quite helpful. See Help:How to verify data for detailed information.

I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the community portal, or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! Mhhutchins 20:19, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

The Star Trek Compendium

The following changes were made in this record to comply with ISFDB standards:

  • The publisher was changed from "W.H.Allen and Co.Ltd. / Star" to "Star / W. H. Allen". The imprint goes first, followed by a space, a slash, a space and then the publisher. We drop "Co." and "Ltd." from most publisher names. and add spaces after periods in initialed publisher names and author names.
  • Pub format/binding was changed to "tp" (for trade paperback) since this book's height is more than 7 inches or 18 centimeters.

Thanks for contributing. Mhhutchins 20:33, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Note to Moderator field

Do not use the "Note to Moderator" field to provide substantial information about the publication. That should go into the "Note" field and becomes a visible part of the record. The other field is used to provide additional information about the submission (not the publication) to help the moderator in the decision to accept the submission. Once the submission is accepted everything in that field disappears forever.

For example, in the submission adding this record, the Note to Moderator said "Merely has a copyright date of 1989 Byron Preiss Visual Publications Inc. Pages are unnumbered. Credits page lists Jean-Marc and Randy Lofficier as associate editors, Alex Jay as art director and Robbin Brosterman as designer. Introduction is by George Lucas." That information did not get transferred to the record, and only exists now because I copied it before I accepted the submission. Feel free to update the record to add this information to the Note field. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:38, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

I changed the format to "tp". You should also do a primary verification of the record. I'm assuming your data is from an actual copy, but you didn't indicate that in the Source field of the submission. Mhhutchins 20:39, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Edited record to add the information above to the "Note" field --Mavmaramis 20:02, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

New cover image for Ariel 4

I'm holding your submission to replace the cover image link given in this record. I have a copy of this book, and the current image is closer to the book than the scan you wish to replace it with. If you like, I could add a link to the Note field, but I don't think we should replace the currently displayed image. What do you think? Mhhutchins 17:57, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

I've created a composite of the best of both images. This probably accomplishes your intention on replacing the original scan. (You will probably have to clear your computer's cache to see the new image. Hit "F5" on your keyboard.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:33, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Uploading cover images

We ask that you wait until a publication record has been created before uploading a cover image for it. That way you can use the link on the record to upload the image for that particular record. This creates a unique file name that matches the tag of the publication record, automatically adds a license, and creates a link back to the publication on the image file's wiki page. For example, this file was uploaded first, you had to manually add a license tag and give it a descriptive name (CREATIONS) which could have possibly conflicted with another file (thus overwriting it), and the wiki file doesn't link back to the publication record (it couldn't because the record doesn't exist.) In the future, please create the publication record first, then use the "Upload cover scan" link to upload the file to the ISFDB server. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:17, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Non-ISBN catalog numbers

Re this record: when adding a catalog number which is not an ISBN, please add the # sign before the number (with no space) to distinguish it as a catalog number. I looked at Dennis Dobson's output for 1967 and saw that some books have been given ISBNs and others haven't, even primary verified records. Is it possible that the number you've given for the Asimov collection could be stated elsewhere in the publication as an ISBN? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 20:54, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

This is indeed an ISBN number as stated on rear flap of dust wrapper. Only has 8 digits due to it being 1967. --Mavmaramis 06:49, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

That would not be a standard ISBN. According to OCLC, the ISBN is 0234770074. Can you see if this number appears anywhere in the book, perhaps on the copyright page? (Again, please use colons to separate your response from the previous one. It makes it so much easier to follow a discussion. Thanks.) Mhhutchins 06:23, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Awaiting a response to my last request, but also wondering why you removed the colons from the post? Mhhutchins 17:39, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

I edited the record with the ISBN number from the book's copyright page which matched the one you gave above. As for removing colons - each colon is effectively a tab so therefore after about six responses the text is shunted all the way to the right making it unreadable and/or unnecessarily lengthy that is why I have been placing spaces between each response to make things clearer for me to read/follow. --Mavmaramis 17:46, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Better '+' than 'Edit'

I've got the impression you are using the 'Edit' function when leaving messages on wiki pages. When you are opening a new item, it's better to use the '+' function to avoid confusion with preceding themes. Thanks, Stonecreek 07:06, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. --Mavmaramis 07:10, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Tale of the Future, Second Edition

Hello, I've approved your submission for this book, but it's possible that it's in fact the same as this publication (same price, same info, not verified). If you think it's the case, don't hesitate to delete it. Hauck 13:28, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

That's listed as 'hc' (hardcover). Mine is a pb. I don't know if LA issued these in hardcovers so I'm loathe to delete in case I get the evil eye. As for the submission of the third edition which gave me a warning about the date being earlier than the edition my Library Association paperback is definitely dated 1978 both on the title page and copyright page where it says "First published 1978" --Mavmaramis 13:33, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
I've got the first, it's a hc. For the third I've already changed the date at title level. Hauck 13:45, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

The Science Fiction Film Source Book

Re this publication: Generically titled works such as "Introduction", "Foreword", "Afterword", "Preface", etc. should be parenthetically disambiguated with the title of the publication. So the first two and the last piece in this book should be disambiguated. Also, can you confirm the spelling of the first piece is "Foreward" and not "Foreword"? One last thing, are you certain the last three pieces are correctly typed as SHORTFICTION? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 07:39, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

You can blame the typist for that. It is indeed Foreword and have corrected the typo. As for the last three items. The Glossary although given a separate entry in the contents page it is pretty much an appendage to the Brosnan essay. The "Rental Figures" and 'Bibliography' are merely lists. I have made these three ESSAYS and disambiguated the Foreword, Contributors and Select Bibliograhy entries for the record as well. Hoping that is satisfactory. --Mavmaramis 17:11, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes, it looks fine. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:17, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
It was a long 3 days fuelled only by double chocolate chip muffins and streaming psychedelic music. --Mavmaramis 18:19, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Voices for the Future: Essays on Major Science Fiction Writers, Volume 2

Hello, can you check the title page of this pub to see if it end by "Volume 2" or "Volume Two"? Thanks. Hauck 19:30, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Volume Two. On front cover of dust wrapper, front flap and title page. Page prior to title page merely has "Voices For The Future" --Mavmaramis 19:34, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Toward the Radical Centre: A Karel Capek Reader

Hello, I've just approved your submission for this pub, but as author we've got Kussi, Kaussi and Kraussi. Can you have a look? Hauck 18:55, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Definitely KUSSI. Also forgot to add the note "Cover design Chris Lione" --Mavmaramis 18:58, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

But as to our standards this really seems to be a Capek collection, edited by another hand. So, the author should be Karel Capek! Stonecreek 19:00, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Looks like you're correct if so then my bad. --Mavmaramis 19:06, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I have made the necessary changes for you, including removing the brackets from the unnumbered pages, according to the help rules on recording page numbers (for it seems that there are no unnumbered pages before page 1 that contain any content that needs to be recorded). Thanks, Stonecreek 19:26, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

As my note states the page numbering begins at 37. All the preceding pages are unnumbered so when I read the info on recording unnumbered pages it said to extrapolate and put the numbers in brackets. --Mavmaramis 19:30, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

No, I have to correct you. The help section speaks of "unnumbered pages before page 1" to put in brackets, so there are 36 pages before p. 37 that we do count as pages 1-36 (no brackets in our records). Only pages before that unnumbered p. 1 that have content of interest would be bracketed: that seems not to be the case with this publication. Stonecreek 19:44, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Ok thanks for clearing that up. I must have missed that bit about "unnumbered pages before page 1" Thanks for correcting that and my obvious blindness. --Mavmaramis 19:48, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Any of the SHORTFICTION contents which are obviously not speculative fiction should be given as non-genre. (I'm assuming there's a strong possibility that many of these aren't spec fic.) That can be done by editing each of the work's title record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:13, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm afraid that I wouldn't have a clue as to which of the pieces in this book were non-genre. --Mavmaramis 22:12, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Entering subtitles

Re this record: I changed the title from Derleth Hawk...and Dove to Derleth: Hawk...and Dove. Any time there's a change in font or type size to indicate a subtitle, separate the two using a colon. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:42, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

That book has neither a change of font not type size on the title page (unnumbered page iii) or on unnumbered page ii. The only time the colon appears is on the spine hence my 'not to moderator' regarding that fact and me not being sure if the bit after Derleth was or was not a subtitle. --Mavmaramis 04:08, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Most of the time it's pretty obvious, even if there is no change in font. (When I first saw the record, the question that came to mind was "Who is Derleth Hawk?") The front cover design in this case makes it clear that Hawk....and Dove is the subtitle. Mhhutchins 23:06, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

H. P. Lovecraft: A Life

Re this record: there's one too many numbers in the ISBN. Also when giving the record number from an outside database give it in the following format: "Source: Number". For example, a Library of Congress control number should be entered as "LCCN: 12345678". Or from WorldCat it would be "OCLC: 12345678". The purpose of adding the colon is to facilitate the moving of these numbers from the Note field to a separate field which is dedicated to the source, if and when we decide to add links to those out-of-database records. It's also optional for the editor to do a manual link to those records. Here's a help page for linking to Library of Congress records. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:52, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

ISBN as printed on rear cover and copyright page is definitely written as : 0-940884-88-7 (ten numbers). And thanks for the heads up regarding the format for writing LCCN numbers. --Mavmaramis 16:44, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Suzy McKee Charnas/Joan Vinge/Octavia Butler

Re this publication: it's my understanding that each essay is separately paginated. According to OCLC, the page count should be "'52+44+72". Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 06:28, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Did check and you're right. Have edited it accordingly. Apologies for the cock-up. --Mavmaramis 16:41, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

The Truth Is Out There

According to this publication's first printing was December 4, 1995. A fourth printing would have to be 1996 at the earliest. If the printing date isn't given, and there is no reliable secondary source, the publication date should be zeroed. I'm assuming 1985 is a typo, since the series didn't premiere until 1993. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 18:55, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes 1995. Blame bad eyesight/lighting/keyboard/typist. Have corrected it now. --Mavmaramis 19:12, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
But not the publication date? Mhhutchins 20:23, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
"Published by HarperCollinsPublishers 1995" on copyright page. --Mavmaramis 22:16, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

The Future Was Fab

Re this publication. Titles should be given using standard capitalization rules as given here (under "Case".) There should be no space between the title and the colon, only a space after the colon. Remember to change the title fields of all three records which are generated by a new record creation: the publication record, the author/editor record, and the cover art record (that's three separate submissions.) Also, "Trimm" should be "Trim". So you'll have to update the author credit field of all three records as well. Each can be done in the same submission that updates the title field. Mhhutchins 20:22, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

The title "the future was fab" is written this way (no capitalisation) both on the cover and the title page. I will make the necessary edits. --Mavmaramis 20:27, 7 May 2015

That's very likely a design choice. As the standards state: "unless there is some specific evidence that the author intended certain letters to be in a specific case." I don't see that being the case here. Mhhutchins 20:34, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

I changed the title and content as suggested and removed the additional 'm' in the three fields but you mention a third record in regards to the title which I couldn't find. I have made the changes as suggested but if I missed one out it's because I couldn't find the relevant field you were referring to. --Mavmaramis 20:38, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Because this is typed as NONFICTION and this being the only record under that title, the title reference record can be edited during a publication record edit. Normally you wouldn't be able to do that, and until you'll very familiar with the database structure, it's best not to update a title reference during a publication record edit. (Most of the time the moderator will catch such edits and determine if they should be allowed.) BTW, all verbs are capitalized in English titles, even short ones like "Was", "Are", and "Is". I'll correct the records. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:02, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

One last thing: you have the option to create content records (typed INTERIORART) for each of the five pieces, giving the titles as stated in the publication. Or you can create one content record giving the title of the publication itself. Mhhutchins 21:04, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Your patience is (possibly) infinite. As for cresting content for the cover you can see what it looks like on this webpage if you haven't already checked it out. Not something I'd be confident about doing at the best of times. --Mavmaramis 21:12, 7 May 2015 (UTC)


Re this record: you say in the Note to Moderator that you're not sure which ISBN to give. Since it's hardcover, you should give the ISBN-13 that's stated on its copyright page, which your note mentions is the same as given on its dust jacket. Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding the note?

It's usually better to ask questions on the ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard rather than in the Note to Moderator. We have no way of responding to a question posed there other than on the wiki. In most cases, it's better to ask before you take the time to create a submission which might have to be rejected and re-submitted. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:11, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Ok I'll ask question to the place you suggested. My query about the ISBN was due to the fact that two different ISBNs for the hardcover version are given on the copyright page - one with 13 digits and one with 10 digits. --Mavmaramis 16:31, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
When both are present, always enter the ISBN-13. You have the option of recording the ISBN-10 in the Note field. Be careful for books published before January 2007, the official start of ISBN-13 usage (although some British publishers starting using ISBN-13 in 2006.) Many books dating back to the 1980s have a 13-digit number called the EAN. Unless it actually states "ISBN-13" with the number, you should record the ISBN-10 for all pre-2007 publications. Mhhutchins 17:32, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for that. Will put the 13 digit ISBN in the appropriate field. Notes re the 10/13 digit ISBNs already noted on record. --Mavmaramis 17:35, 8 May 2015 (UTC)


About the question, copied from that page to keep things in one place:

Re this book. My copy is prominently marked "Bergström+Boyle/Big O/London" on title page, rear cover and copyright page. That page states "Produced and published by Bergström and Boyle Books Limited" and a London address. Cover art may be Alan Daniels (his style from two images in Stewart Cowley's Terran Trade Authority series. I won't add this information as notes just in case the copy I have is a variant edition. This site lists publisher as Bergström and Boyle as well, same ISBN number as your PV and mine. Your thoughts on this welcome via my talk page. Thanks. --Mavmaramis 20:17, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
My copy has the same markings, but also on the copyright page "This edition published in 1979 by Big O Publishing Ltd.", as stated in the notes. Since we sometimes regularise publisher's names, and there's no other Bergström+Boyle publication in the database, I only credited Big O Publishing. Feel free to add any notes you think necessary. --Willem 12:44, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Ok thanks (and apologies for posting on the wrong page). I'll add some notes to the record. --Mavmaramis 16:29, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

SF of H. G. Wells

Re this publication: Can you confirm that the cover art is credited to "Kelley" and not "Kelly" Freas? Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:48, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Kelly. Have corrected the spelling error. --Mavmaramis 06:00, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Evocation of Virgin...

Re this publication: is it more than 7 inches/18 centimeters tall? If so, a softcover book should be typed as "tp". (OCLC says it's 21 cm.)

Do you consider each of the essays you've entered as contents to be individual separate essays? (Do you know if any of them were published separately?) Or are each simply a named chapter in a complete work and would require all of them to present the author's full thesis?

Also, the NONFICTION type is reserved for book-length works (such as this publication). A short work of nonfiction which is published as part of a larger work (which can be fiction or nonfiction) is typed as ESSAY. If you choose to keep them as part of the record, the last three contents have to be changed to ESSAY, and the titles of the final two will have to be disambiguated. Mhhutchins 01:01, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Book size is 5.25" wide x 8". Essays are named chapters in a complete work. Have changed NONFICTION to ESSAY and disambiguated accordingly (assuming that I include the subtitle). --Mavmaramis 06:11, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

That size would be closer to the "tp" format than the "pb" format. And if the "essays" that you've entered in the contents are chapter titles, then they shouldn't be entered separately as content records. Also, you only changed two of the three pieces originally typed as NONFICTION. Mhhutchins 06:21, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Essays are chapter titles so not sure how to correct the entry. With some of the more obscure reference books it's not easy to determine if the chapter titles are separate entities or part of the whole. It's not easy I grant but hopefully I'm headed in vaguely the right direction. Have made the edits in regards format etc. --Mavmaramis 10:47, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

If you determine that there shouldn't be records for each of the chapters (the standard approach to book-length works of nonfiction), you can use the "Remove Titles From This Pub" function under the Editing Tools menu. Once they are removed, they'll also have to be deleted. (Removal from a publication record doesn't automatically delete title records.) Mhhutchins 14:53, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Per your advice I have removed the titles from the publication. Unsure how to delete them after removal. --Mavmaramis 15:00, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Hale & Gresham Hardback SF

Re this publication: is there any indication that this is an updated or revised edition of the 1988 edition? OCLC says there's a 1988 copyright, for at least one printing of the work. Mhhutchins 01:04, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

"Copyright © 1993, Beccon Publications" on first page. No indication of the earlier edition. I got my copy direct from Roger Robinson. --Mavmaramis 06:19, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Super Space

I'm holding the submission to add a record of this title. Can you confirm that the publisher is stated as "Libro"? According to the OCLC record, the publisher is "Riburopōto". They also credit the book to "Iwasaki Kazuaki". It's possible that those credits (both publisher and author) have been transliterated from the original Japanese. Are the credits in your copy of the book in the Japanese alphabet or are there any using the Latin (English) alphabet? Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:27, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Text is entirely in Japanese other than the title and author which is written as "K. Iwasaki" on front cover and "Libro" on cover, spine and title page. No mention of "Riburopōto" unless it's in Japanese on the very last page. Although it is 'tp' size is does have a dust wrapper. Image of my version here. --Mavmaramis 06:27, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Space Wars Fact and Fiction

Re this publication and the use of the NONFICTION type: as stated above, these short works will have to be changed to ESSAY. Mhhutchins 06:16, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

This also appears to be a case where there should be a colon separating the man title from the subtitle, i.e. Space Wars: Fact and Fiction. Mhhutchins 06:18, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Will change them to essays. I did wonder whether "Fact and Fiction" was or was not a subtitle as publication doesn't make this obvious but will add a colon to both title fields. --Mavmaramis 06:31, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

The World of The Wheel of Time

Re this publication: "Mitchel" or Ellisa Mitchell? Mhhutchins 20:48, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Mitchell (two Ls). Off to edit as I type. --Mavmaramis 20:49, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Hoyle's Planet of Death

Re this publication: It's missing the required SHORTFICTION content record. In cases like this, it's best to use the CLONE function with the other record. That way the contents would have been transferred. You will now have to import the SHORTFICTION content title record.

It's also possible this record wasn't necessary. Since it's identical to the other publication record, except for the price, and both stating "First Edition", it would have been better to contact the primary verifier and ask him to confirm the price. It could just be a typo. Mhhutchins 20:54, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

I posted a message to Hauck about this. He suggested that "If it's strictly the same book, just add data in the notes with possibly a link in the notes" but I can only find thumbnail size version of art on my copy. Both my copies state "First edition" and their contents are identical except for the cover artwork. Undated reissue maybe ? Seems to be more trouble than it's workth so maybe delete the submission entirely ? I'll leave it up to you. --Mavmaramis 21:11, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
[addendum]You state I should contact PV to check details but in this case there wasn't one. --Mavmaramis 21:14, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
Pete Young is given as the Primary Verifier of this record. Perhaps you're looking at a different record? Mhhutchins 22:04, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
The one I initially looked at was this book which is unverified. I then looked at [this book which is indeed verified. I assumed because the version I had with a different cover was a separate entity I went ahead and added. Sorry about that. --Mavmaramis 04:51, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm unsure why you would look at this book when it's not the same as the book you added. What am I missing? I ask that you still contact Pete Young to reconcile the two records of this title. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:48, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

(unindent). I looked at both records because I have both books. BUT both my copies have different covers than the ones entered but for all intents and purposes were identical even down to statement of "First Edition." In the end I only added ONE record (for Planet of Death) and the reason I didn't contact Pete Young is because he's verified the blue cover variant not the version I own. I'm not entirely sure what reconciling is to be done since he doesn't own the copy that I do. --Mavmaramis 05:00, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Redux: You were previously asked] to add a SHORTFICTION content to this record. Since it continues to appear on an error report, I've gone ahead and added one for you. Mhhutchins 04:43, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Search for Spock Storybook

As in the previous submission, this CHAPBOOK doesn't have the required SHORTFICTION content record. Cloning the other publication record would have copied the content to the new record. Please proceed to import the content from the original record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:58, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Same situation with The Dune Storybook. Mhhutchins 21:00, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Done and done (I hope). --Mavmaramis 21:08, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Frontier Elite II: Stories of Life on the Frontier

I've accepted your submission to include the above titled new publication however it will need a bit more work, firstly in that the number of short fiction contents means this would be described as a COLLECTION and not a CHAPBOOK, a category which is for publications containing a single work of short fiction, not eight. (I suspect you selected Chapbook by mistake, but see here for the correct categories in case you're unsure.) Secondly, the page numbering for the contents indicates that all contents appear to be short stories, so the sub-category "shortstory" will need to be selected from the drop-down menu for each record. Thirdly, is there any indication that the author Kathy Dickinson may also be this cover artist for two UK publications? If not, it may be appropriate to disambiguate the name (a "(I)" after her name would be sufficient). Thanks. PeteYoung 12:21, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

I'll make the necessary changes and thanks for the heads up re chapbook / collection. As for whether Kathy Dickinson is the same one as the artist the publication is less than helpful so I'd disambiguate to be on the safe side. --Mavmaramis 12:39, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

L'art hyperréaliste fantastique de Wojtek Siudmak: Album 4

I'm not sure what you are trying to do with the two submissions you have concerning this pub, both of which I have on hold. One is to delete the pub as a duplicate, yet its title page currently indicates there is only one pub in the database. The second submission then adds a cover to the pub you want to delete. Am I missing something here? ;) PeteYoung 12:28, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Sorry I made a complete balls up when entering these volumes. this page shows two versions of Album 5, the one dated 1994 is the one that should be deleted as it has the wrong date. Since I'd initially submitted some incorrect information (including the date) for this volume I then tried to cancel the submission but since the titles were so long I obviously cancelled the wrong one and resubmitted a duplicate. The correct one to keep is the one dated 2001 along with the cover art I must have uploaded for the 1994 entry. Hope that clears things up. --Mavmaramis 12:37, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
OK, I've tidied it up to the best of my understanding, however it leaves this cover image still unused, which you also uploaded for the 2001 edition of Album 5 and I then replaced with your art for the 1994 edition (if I have understood you correctly). I have recreated Album 4 but it's currently without the cover - is this where the above image goes? Could you review all the affected editions, and make any further edits as necessary if things still don't look right. Thanks again. PeteYoung 13:23, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Maybe not as clear as I had intended. The unused artwork (the nude lady with wings) is actually for album 5 and the artwork (blue suspended chests / reclining lady on beach) already with the record for album 5 is actually the artwork for album 4. Otherwise the entries check out fine. Thanks for your patience. --Mavmaramis 13:32, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
"Mai bpen rai", as we say in Thailand. :) PeteYoung 13:38, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

The Complete Elfquest Graphic Novel series – printing dates

If the printing number lines for The Complete Elfquest Graphic Novel books end in any number other than 1, that indicates a later printing than the first, which is the date you have retained in the date field for these printings. I accepted your various submissions adding publication details to the notes but have reverted the date fields to "0000-00-00" (ie. unknown), because it's highly unlikely that 2nd, 3rd and 4th printings would be published in the same month as each publication's first printing. Thanks. PeteYoung 13:36, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Sorry I'm just beginning to get to grips with the number line series courtesy of ISFDB. If there is no stated date and only a copyright date I assume that I still put 0000-00-00 in date field and add copyright date into the note field. --Mavmaramis 13:45, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
For later printings, yes, unless the copyright page also provides a date for that later printing. If the copyright page details only state the year, then use the year only (ie. "2015-00-00"). There's no specific need to also put the copyright date in the note field for every later printing. If the publication only states the year, you can often source a more accurate original publication date from the publisher's website (preferable) or Amazon (less preferable/reliable), but bear in mind this will only relate to that edition's first printing. Later printings indicated by 2, 3, 4 etc. should always be entered as "0000-00-00" unless a stated date for that particular printing is known. PeteYoung 13:57, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification. Secondary sources like Amazon are unreliable and some of the more obscure volumes in my collection don't have websites associated with their publishers. I use the book as the primary source of information. Maybe I'm recording too much in regards to copyright dates and inferring publication dates from them but at least you can retrospectively delete the extraneous information. Not easy to determine what should or should not be recorded. I'll bear your helpful suggestions in mind. --Mavmaramis 14:05, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Film Fantasy Scrapbook

Hello, can you check the ISBN for this pub? Thanks (note that I've regularized the publisher). Hauck 17:00, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

That 900730498 number is printed on copyright page and preceded by "ISBN" I was too afraid of risking putting a zero in front of it in case I was wrong. --Mavmaramis 17:12, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
"0" added. Hauck 17:41, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. As an aside I note the only other book listed by that publisher is this book which gives the 0-498 number. --Mavmaramis 17:47, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Publisher for Spacecraft in Fact and Fiction / Price for A Gothic Bibliography

Hello, I have put your submission for this publication on hold, because we have already a publisher 'Orbis Books' on board (see here). Could this be the same as 'Orbis Publishing'? Stonecreek 03:50, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

I also put your submission for A Gothic Bibliography on hold. If I understand the help section on entering British prices right (see here), the Price should be entered either in Pounds or Shillings & Pence, not both. Are both prices stated in or on the book? Stonecreek 06:52, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

1. Orbis - Copyright page gives "Orbis Publishing Ltd, London."
2. Gothic Bibliography. Book was published 1941. Price printed on front flap of dust wrapper is "£6/15/- net in UK only" which would be six OLD pounds (not new). Hope that answers your questions. --Mavmaramis 16:57, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Okay, will approve of them and change the price as seems fitting to the help pages. Stonecreek 03:25, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Trek: Deep Space Nine The Unauthorized Story

There is an established publisher called Pioneer Books, that may alao be the one who did this book. Right now, this would be the only one by Pioneer (no Books). Stonecreek 03:36, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes sorry my fault. It is Pioneer Books. It was the only one of the James Van Hise items not listed. --Mavmaramis 04:34, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Warp Graphics / Father Tree Press

I changed the publisher you entered as "Warp Graphics / Father Tree Press" to "Father Tree Press / Warp Graphics" to conform to the ISFDB standard of entering an imprint and its publisher. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:12, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I wrote it that way because I had already seen one of the Elfquest books had it that way. --Mavmaramis 04:37, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Inventorum Natura

This record for a CHAPBOOK didn't have the required SHORTFICTION record. I imported them from the other primary verified record. Cloning the previous record in the db would have done this automatically. Keep this in mind when creating a publication record for a work which already has a record for a similar printing in the db. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:39, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Robots: Fact, Fiction, and Predictions ISFDB Title Record # 999677

Hello, when approving your submission for this book, I took the liberty to change the publisher from "Thames and Hudon" to "Thames and Hudson". Hope it's correct. Hauck 18:03, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, thanks. Once again with the terrible typing. --Mavmaramis 18:06, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Report on Planet Three

I'm holding a submission to add a new publication for this title which is identical to this one except for the publication date. Is the date of January 1973 stated in your copy? Mhhutchins 07:14, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Second impression January 1973 as stated on copyright page. And thanks for pointing out that I posted to my own page. I was suffering multiple window syndrome. It should have been posted elsewhere. --Mavmaramis 07:18, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Submission accepted and note added. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:59, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Merry Christmas, Ms Minerva!

This book.

Hello, as you're the first of us to have the book, can you tell if it's a novel or a collection? Thanks. Hauck 09:28, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Page before title page has two paragraphs of text beginning "This powerful and horrific novel...." however it seems to be divided into two parts "Part One / Prelude" has 14 chapters (up to page 112), "Part Two / Horror" has three chapters (up to page 149), then and addendum. Seems like a novel to me. --Mavmaramis 09:34, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, notes amended. Hauck 09:36, 15 May 2015 (UTC)


All records typed as CHAPBOOK must have either a SHORTFICTION or POEM content record. I've added one to this record. Please remember this when creating CHAPBOOK-typed records. (Looking back on your talk page, it appears I've brought this to your attention on at least five different occasions.) I've also added a content record for the INTERIORART. Thanks. Mhhutchins 07:54, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm also waiting for a response to a post made several days ago. Thanks. Mhhutchins 07:54, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Will do. I edited that record already. --Mavmaramis 07:57, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Worm Ouroboros

Hi, just pulled out the book. Mine is the 3rd printing with ISBN as quoted (0-330-23841-8). Pan is on the spine, but Pan/Ballantine on the title page. --Unapersson 08:04, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Crediting Other Publications

When crediting another publication (like you did with the cover art credit for The Crack in Space), please don't just provide a link to the publication, but also provide the publication's name. While publication ids are intended to be stable, there are some rare cases where they can change. While it's unlikely, it's better to have the publication name if down the road the link does break. Hence, I changed the notes in that pub from "Cover art credit from this publication" to "Cover art credit from Dangerous Frontiers:The Fight for Survival on Distant Worlds". Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:05, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Ok I'll do that from now on. Thanks. --Mavmaramis 13:13, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Secondary Sourcing

I accepted your edit to Doctor Who and the Visitation. I noticed you have primary verified it, but you left the "Data from 'The Tardis Library' and 'Doctor Who Toybox'" statement in the notes. When data comes from secondary sources, that needs to be noted in the book. However, when the book is primary verified, the data should come from the book first and secondary sources only for data that is not physically on the book. If there is something from secondary sources, then the note should specify what data. Since you have primary verified this, the note needs to be updated. If all the data is present in the book, the note should be removed. If something is not present in the book, then the note should be updated to say what information is from the secondary source. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:11, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Sometimes I'm unsure of erasing the notes when PVing especially if that secondary sources gives a month (for example) and I don't have access to that source. Maybe I'm erring on the side of caution to leave it in --Mavmaramis 16:14, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
In that example, you could say something like "No date other than year. Publication date from SOURCE." Not having access to the secondary source is fine. You can either assume the person who originally added the publication correctly entered it based on the secondary source or find an alternative (dates from Amazon for example). -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:40, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

The Independent's Banned Books series

Re this publication: Many internet sources say this series was published in 2007. Those sources can be used to date the publication. Also, what is intended by the page count field? Those curved brackets aren't in the ISFDB standards. Thanks. Mhhutchins 01:24, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

That was the effect of pressing the shift key. There are 4 unnumbered pages of text after page 157. I'll correct the typo. I had a bad feeling that I'd put the series title in the wrong box. I have four more from the series but probably won't enter then at this juncture. --Mavmaramis 16:42, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
If those four unnumbered pages of text are part of the novel, then the page count should be 156 with a note about the unnumbered pages. Thenks. Mhhutchins 16:52, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Four unnumbered pages are a Glossary and not part of the novel. Also was I correct in putting the series in 'Pub Series' field or should it have gone into the 'Series' field ? --Mavmaramis 16:57, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
You should add a note explaining the +[4]. The series was correctly entered. Rule of thumb: Ask yourself "If this work had been (or were to be) published by another publisher would it be in this series?" If the answer is no, 99% of the time it's a publication series. Please see this help page about the differences in title series and publication series. It would also be a good idea to bookmark this list of common tasks on the ISFDB. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:04, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Note added. --Mavmaramis 17:09, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Cover art credit for If the Stars Are Gods

I changed the artist credit of this record from "Anthony Roberts" to Tony Roberts. If the credit is not stated in the publication and comes from a secondary source, you should always use the canonical form of the artist's name. This also applies to credit based solely on an artist's signature. For example, if the cover isn't credited, but there is a clear signature for "EMSH", you should credit it to Ed Emshwiller and note the signature as the source. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:36, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Roberts is tricky as I've seen his name credited as "Tony" (especially in the Cowley books) and other times as "Anthony" (where credited on the rear of books). I'll use his canonical name from now on. --Mavmaramis 17:41, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Since both names are used, we had to determine which was canonical and which was a pseudonym. Since the overwhelming majority have been credited to "Tony", it was made into the canonical name. Mhhutchins 20:01, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Cover art credit for Protector

The source you give for the cover art credits Gambino, not Roberts for this 1992 edition. I'll accept the submission, but revert the cover art credit. Mhhutchins 19:53, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

You might want to ask the verifier of this record about its cover art credit. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:58, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

I never use Abebooks as source for data on artists. Data was likely already present in the notes prior to my PV. Hauck 20:16, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
The whole things was muddled from the very start due to the fact that the same book cover artwork for the 1976 edition was used for the 1992 edition's record. The artwork for the 1976 edition is as stated on the link Tony Roberts but as Hauck is right to point out one can never be quite sure how reliable the secondary sources are or indeed where they obtain their information from. The image is not on Robert's website not does it appear in a Google image search. I once had a copy of The Orbit Poster Book within which was this illustration but as far as I can recall none of the posters had the artists credited. --Mavmaramis 20:41, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
The records will have to be reconciled, since it's obvious they have the same art now credited to two different artists. I'll step aside and let you two hash it out. Mhhutchins 23:33, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
I've left Gambino as artist for the 1992 pb (even if there seems to exist no image of it) and deleted the image. Either the 1976 or the 1977 Orbit had probably the same cover (the price match) but I don't know witch one (or both). Hauck 17:11, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Hauck. Apologies for compounding an error. --Mavmaramis 17:19, 19 May 2015 (UTC)


Hello, just note that we don't use for date the writing date at the end of a text (generaly for a preface, an introduction or an afterword) but the publication date, so in Sturgeon's case the date will stay at 1978 (you can add the 1977 wrinting date in the note if you want). Hauck 17:51, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Another "logical inconsistency" I'll have to get my brain around in regards to the way things are recorded. Someone once told me to "stop trying to organise chaos." --Mavmaramis 17:57, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
In this case, I found this quite logical, the writing date is bibliographically speaking meaningless. IMHO a text really "exists" only when published. Hauck 18:08, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Idiosyncrasy and me don't get along but you make an excellent point. It's that 'minutiae' stuff again. --Mavmaramis 18:14, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

In the Future: Entertainment Design at Art College of Design

Hello, in this pub is the first essey titled "Foreward" or "Foreword"? Hauck 18:19, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Is not "Center" part of the title? The name of the school is the Art Center College of Design. Mhhutchins 18:27, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
(a) Foreword. (b) Yes it is. Edited. --Mavmaramis 19:14, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
Why would a school in California spell their name "Centre" and not "Center"? Mhhutchins 20:35, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
Edited (again). --Mavmaramis 07:09, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Mind-Breaks of Space

Re this publication: If Jones is credited as the co-author, then the record was created under the wrong title (the one crediting only Butterworth). If you can not find the title in the database with the author(s) credit and title matching exactly, you should use the "Add New Novel" function, and then variant it, if needed, to the canonical title. After you see this, I'll unmerge your record from the current title, and variant its title. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:06, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

The Alan Wingate hardcover edition was already listed. Not sure how to variant a title once it's created and submitted. The entries for this book are probably incorrect if as stated on the title page of my hardcover edition the author(s) are Butterworth and Jones. --Mavmaramis 19:11, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
To make a title into a variant, click on the "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work" under the Editing Tools menu. (This assumes that the title doesn't already have an existing variant.) If the parent title exists in the database, enter its record number in the first field and click the "Link to Existing Parent" button. If the parent title doesn't exist go to the bottom half of the entry form and make all the necessary changes of the fields and click the "Create New Parent Title" button. Ask at the ISFDB:Help desk if you need assistance. I will now unmerge your publication from its current title and then variant the newly created title record with the existing one. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:35, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

A Step Farther Out

Re this publication: the split publications appeared in 1981, so it's not likely that this "recombined" edition appeared in 1980. Also, the page count field should just simply be "197+200". We don't count blank pages unless they appear within a continuous range of numbered pages. You can also add page numbers for the contents using the "pipe" method. Ask if you need help in learning how to do that. Mhhutchins 19:22, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

I had a feeling this Star volume would be problematic. I can only go by the book I have in my hands which does not have an initial title or copyright page. I'll edit the page numbering. As for this 'pipe' method of which you speak I cloned the hardback edition assuming (as the contents were already listed) that would be ok - obviously not. I'll add a cover scan but it won't be the full wraparound due to the rectangular gold diamond pattern embossing on my copy. --Mavmaramis 07:26, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
You should zero out the publication date field if there is no internal evidence of that, and you have no reliable secondary source.
The hardcover edition you cloned didn't have page numbers for the contents so the record you created wouldn't have them either, unless you entered them manually during the cloning submission. The pipe method of entering page numbers for the contents can be used when books (like this one) have two or more separate ranges of page numbers. The page numbers of the contents in the first range of numbers are entered normally. The page numbers of the contents in the next range of numbers are entered using the pipe method. So the page number of a work appearing on the first page of the second range would be entered as "1|1001". The number after the pipe is chosen by the editor, but must be at least larger than the highest number of the first range of numbers, but lower than the pipe number of the next content. The content title would be displayed after the last content of the first range with its actual page number. The number after the pipe is the order in which the content appears and is not displayed. Mhhutchins 14:04, 31 May 2015 (UTC)]

(unindent)I suspect it is the 1980 edition however I'll zero the date. The method you describe above is (a) complicated and (b) really confusing - what does "must be at least larger than the highest number of the first range of numbers" even mean reads like complete gibberish to me. Is there not an easier way say 1|1 to n where the number before the line is the volume and n is the page number and 2|1 to n etc. I don't feel confident enough to do all that without making large numbers of mistakes. --Mavmaramis 16:10, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

An example: a publication has two ranges of numbers: the first has pages 1 through 197 and the second has pages 1 through 200. This happens for dos-a-dos books (e.g. Ace Doubles) or in a rebound publication like yours. All of the page numbers of the contents of the first range can be entered as you would any publication with contents. If you entered the contents of the second range of numbers the same way the system automatically sorts them numerically mixing the contents of the first range with those from the second range. In our example, there are five contents in the second range of numbers starting on pages 3, 45, 97, 129, and 163. The page numbers can be entered as 3|203, 45|245, 97|297, 129|329, 163|363. But you can use any number after the pipe as long as they ascend in the order in which the contents appear and the first one is higher than the highest number in the first range of numbers. In this case, the highest page number in the first range was 197, so I arbitrarily chose 200 as the first pipe number in the second range, but it could have been any number as long as it was higher than 197.
Look at how the contents are displayed in this record, then click on "edit" to see how the content pages were entered. Without the pipe, the system would mix the contents of the two collections, sorting them numerically.
As a lesson for future reference, enter the content page numbers into the record of your verified copy without using the pipe system. Once accepted by a moderator, you will see that the contents have been mixed when displayed in the record. Then go back and use the pipe method to enter the page numbers of the contents in the second part of the book. Mhhutchins 17:23, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
That explains things better so thanks. I'll have to re-dig my copy out of the back of the cupboard where it got re-stuffed and make an attempt but that won't be tonight as I'm already tripping over piles of books as it is. --Mavmaramis 17:30, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Reprint of Gollancz's Between Planets

Adding any stated printing information in the Note field of this record will prevent any confusion between it and the 1968 printing. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:30, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Ok I'll amend the entry. --Mavmaramis 19:33, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Image size exceptions

Re this image file: If you upload a file showing a wraparound jacket art, an exception to the 600 pixel standard can be made. As long it isn't more than 600 pixels tall, and the file isn't more than 200kb, it should be fine. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:34, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

I've been sticking to the 600 limit (largest dimension) as per the upload guidelines. Seems fine with the wraparound artwork on paperbacks. If memory serves me correctly the two Heinlein ones I uploaded (Podkayne of Mars and Glory Road) are the only two pieces of artwork that extend across the entire dust wrapper. They look ok on my end - at least enough to be able to identify the publication. --Mavmaramis 19:42, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Painting of a domed city

Thanks for the offer; here are photos of the full painting and signature. Albinoflea 17:28, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for having a look. The closest I've seen in style is computer pioneer Konrad Zuse, who painted in his spare time and in retirement. The signatures I've seen for him are not a particularly good match though. The search continues... Albinoflea 18:56, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Your welcome although I'm sorry I couldn't be more help. I can see what you mean although to my (untrained) eye your image looks more like standard painting than painting on a computer. As for suggesting other avenues of exploration - perhaps you could email the chap who runs this site. I wish you well in your search. --Mavmaramis 19:06, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
I took a peek at the image, and it really looks like something created by a street artist I watched a few months ago in Reading, England. The technique and end result look very similar to things he created in 5-10 minutes using a box of enamel spray paints, a few cardboard stencils and a spatula. May I ask where you found this? PeteYoung 00:43, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
A colleague received it as a gift from someone who was cleaning out his parent's place, and didn't have much information other than that it was given directly to his parents by the artist, who was "a famous sci-fi artist", which of course should be taken with an XL grain of salt. No real sense as to the time frame or location of the gift. Albinoflea 15:22, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the extra info Albino. I did have to chuckle at that "famous sci-fi artist" bit. Trouble with "fame" is that it is pretty much a catch-all and it's pretty wooly terminology to the uninitiated. Since you live in the US it may well be worth further investigation - perhaps you could look into finding someone who "knows their stuff" like an expert (auction house, art dealer as examples) - like the X Files "the truth is out there" --Mavmaramis 16:49, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

True, although I have assumed from the start that the answer to this mystery will ultimately be rather anticlimactic. Albinoflea 13:01, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
Now that answer truly did make me chuckle and that's not to be disparaging against you just my extremely weird sense of humour. But at least when you do finally find the answer it'll be somewhat of a relif no doubt. --Mavmaramis 16:53, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

The Best of Science Fiction 10

Hello, can you check the ISBN of this pub? Thanks. Hauck 19:57, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

The number as printed on spine/front cover seems to have 10 digits but no leading zero thus: 583 (new line) 11138 (new line) 6 (new line) 2. Suspect that last digit (2) is erronious. --Mavmaramis 20:04, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
In such cases (british pbs of the 70s), the lone "2" indicates a second printing which is confirmed by your notes. Hauck 20:07, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for that nugget (small factoid) of info. Always nice to learn something new. Interesting to note it was given a third variant tile by Mayflower. --Mavmaramis 20:12, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

A Sense of Wonder

Hello, I've changed the date to "0000-00-00" for this pub as the true 1974-12 publication is very likely this one that you also own. Hauck 10:21, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes your right. Didn't catch that at the time. --Mavmaramis 10:29, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Hugo Winners 1963-1967

Hi. Concerning the date of this pub, I had answered you here, but you might have missed it. Two points :

  • As I wrote, my copy also has “First published […] in 1973”, bu how can you be sure this is not a later reprint ?
  • You seem to have written “1972” in the notes (or is it someone else ?). Thanks for checking. Linguist 09:26, 7 June 2015 (UTC).
Well I'm guessing that we can't be sure although Sphere were pretty good at noting reprints on the copyright page. As for the 1972 in the note - I *think* that was there before I edited it and slipped through. I'll go change it now. --Mavmaramis 10:14, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

The Book of Merlyn

Hello, I've replaced the ISBN (that didn't compute, it's probably a serial number) by the Catalog ID for this pub. BTW, be careful with the HTML syntax, when not properly used, it results in awful displays, a list should be constructed like this : <ul> <li>. <li>. <li>. <li>. <li>. </ul>.Hauck 18:13, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Hauck. I copied the notes from another edition as they were cimmon with the one I added. ISBN as stated on copyright page is "0 00 222045 8" so wasn't aware that it wouldn't compute. Normally I use "br" in <> to differentiate new lines in my notes. But it's all a learning curve. I'll add that non computing ISBN to the notes. --Mavmaramis 18:25, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
It didn't compute because you added a "1" (IIRC the ISBN you gave was "0 00 1222045 8"), everything is now OK. Hauck 20:09, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Trivana 1

Hello, just in case, how is titled this book: "Trivana One" (as on cover) or "Trivana 1" as entered? Thanks. Hauck 09:51, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Titled as "Trivana One" on dust wrapper, "Trivana I" on title page - note capital letter I not numeral 1. --Mavmaramis 09:54, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, We'll let the "1" as there is another publication with it. Hauck 09:59, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
No problem since there are only two editions of the book anyway. Also thanks for responding re the interior art query - hope I've been getting it right (albeit a few typos and interior art noted as shortfiction - all now corrected). Your comments and guidance are appreciated. It will soon be time to move the sofa forwards to get at the bookcase hidden behind it. --Mavmaramis 10:05, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

The Fantasy Art Techniques of Tim Hildebrandt

Hello, I've approved your submission for this title but there are two items that are marked as "SHORTFICTION", perhaps should they be changed to "INTERIORART". Hauck 10:19, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes indeed - that's one of the issues which having to do contents - adding 20-30 blank titles and forgetting to change one (or more) to interiorart. Thanks for picking that up I *think* I managed to coreect some of the others that were inadvertantly marked as shortfiction. --Mavmaramis 10:23, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Stewart Cowley Pictorals

Please participate in this discussion. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:15, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

A couple more items for this publication:
  • For the story on p82, Willem has it as "Beta" and you as "Delta". Would you double check that also?
  • Your artwork is not disambiguated consistently. Please see Willem's publication for comparison. I believe your version should match his. If you are in agreement, I would like to fix this as it would be easier for my to do instead of you have to do multiple submissions.
I'm assuming when you entered this pub, you typed all the contents manually? If so, a better way would have been to clone the existing publication if you were adding the new one. Or if you were adding the contents to an existing publication that did not have contents, importing the contents from the other publication. Either way is much easier - both in not having to type all the contents and also in not having to merge all the contents (when you manually entered them, it created new records for each content that had to be manually merged with the old ones). Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:06, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
I was entering them manually since the contents wern't listed - at least for some of those editions. And yes contents are identical so go right ahead and merge. Those that I did add manually did not have other editions to merge from so I was forced to enter the contents manually since there was no other way to do it. BTW I don't think that the interor art listed in this Exeter edition ("The Willem Book") should have dates after them. --Mavmaramis 17:17, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
While the contents were not in the UK edition, they were in the US (Willem's verified copy) edition. If you run into this again, on the publication you wish to add contents to, click the "Import Content" link and on that page, you can give it the publication id of the pub to import from. That will add the contents without you having to type them all. It also avoids needing to merge the duplicate records created when you manually entered them.
I have fixed the interior art records. Please take a look again to ensure all looks good.
Willem's verified copy should indeed gave dates after them. Since the UK edition is dated before the US edition, all the records in the US edition will show dates. ISFDB does not display the date of contents if it is the first appearance and does if it isn't.
Let me know if you have any questions. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:52, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
Everything looks fine. I think I'm done with content records for art portfolios for now - at least those in my collection/those I've PVd that didn't have any are concerned. I've also edited the title since this discussion became more generic in regards to the Cowley books. --Mavmaramis 18:03, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Pseudonyms and variants

Hello, when you enter a "pseudonomystic" item, you also have to variant it in a later phase to the canonical name. For example, all the titles presently attributed to Steven Caldwell will have to be varianted to Stewart Cowley. The same for Melwyn (to variant to "Melwyn Grant") and Segrelles to "Vincent Segrelles". Thanks. Hauck 13:22, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

All well and good but you neglect to tell me how to do this. --Mavmaramis 13:24, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
OK, let's proceed : you choose the first title by clicking on it, then click the "•Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work " link on the left, then use the bottom of the screen by substituating the canonical name to the existing one in the "Author1" field, then send the changes by clicking on "Create New Variant Title". Hauck 13:44, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
Title of what - the book, the story ?? Besides which these volumes are already listed under Stewart Cowley thus. --Mavmaramis 13:49, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
The title of each story (or interior art or cover or whatever). The objective is to "void" the page of the pseudonym (e.g. Caldwell's) to obtain a page like this one where all the titles by Suragne that you still can "see" here have been transfered to the "Pelot" page there. Hauck 14:05, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

(unindent)Can't do it from this page because the option isn't there can only do it from this page. --Mavmaramis 14:12, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

The best starting point is Caldwell's page, start from the top of the shortfiction list, you'll see the items progressively diseappear from the page after each approved variant. Hauck 14:27, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
Righty ho. If you'd pointed me there in the first place it would have been so much easier. Just to get things straight I go here click on a title, click "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work" and replace Steven Caldwell in Author1 with Stewart Cowley. --Mavmaramis 14:44, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
Exactly. Hauck 14:49, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
Whoo hoo the system works. What an achievemnt. --Mavmaramis 15:01, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Wait for the next problematic phase (linking an INTERIORART record to a COVERART with a pseudonym). Hauck 15:19, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

(unindent)Look I'm laughing (well you would if you had a webcam). So ok tell me how to link these artworks to the respective books upon which they appear - I'm assuming you're referring to the Melvyn (not Melwyn as you typed) and Segrelles pseudonyms - not that I know the books these ones came from mind. --Mavmaramis 15:22, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

For example, you presently have a variant relationship between the couple (title #1868996) "Battledawn"/"Melvyn" (this one) and "Battledawn"/"Melvyn Grant" (that one #1868995). When you'll find the original cover book "Book X"/"Melvyn Grant" you will have to create a new relationship between "Battledawn"/"Melvyn" and "Book X"/"Melvyn Grant" by going to the first item, use again "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work" and replacing the ID present (1869875 in this case) by the titleID of "Book X"/"Melvyn Grant". This will leave the title "Battledawn"/"Melvyn Grant" (#1869875) dangling (without any publication), it will then have to be deleted by "Delete This Title". Hauck 19:02, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Ok let's take an example that has been used as a book cover. (Note that I may not be able to find all such cases as I don't know the books they were used on especially if they're not pictured). Title as in Caldwell: here Actual title here - I *think*

So I click "Make variant" on first link then.....uhhh....replace the parent number dispkayed with the other number the 2nd link - at least having it appended there would make more sense.

I'm not going to do a trial run until you point out any (obvious) errors. That all sounds rather complicated - someone really must make an easier way to do it.--Mavmaramis 19:20, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

A Hannes Bok Showcase

Another editor has added the individual art for another edition of our mutually verified A Hannes Bok Showcase. See this discussion. Before I import the individual titles from this edition, I wanted to make sure that you have no objections. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:33, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi Ron, thanks for alerting me to this. Everything looks fine - my hardcover has the fep illstration also and a scan of a dozen or so random pages confirms contents as identical, however, I do have one minor point the entry "vii • Foreword (A Hannes Bok Showcase) • essay by Frederik Pohl" in my copy is titled "Remebering Hannes" otherwise I have no objections to you importing the contents. --Mavmaramis 16:38, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Artwork credit

Hello, when the author's credit comes form a signature or a secondary source, you should enter directly the canonical name, so instead of J. Cawthorn for this pub, you should enter James Cawthorn (I've done the modifications for you). For the varianting of interior art, you're on the right track. Hauck 16:55, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Ok thanks for that - another tip to remember. Good that I figured it out during the last few days of not much sleep. I'll get going and do the others for those Cowley books but it means having three windows open - oh well. --Mavmaramis 16:58, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

(The) Garden on the Moon

Hello, for this pub, can you confirm that it's indeed "Garden on the Moon" on title page as opposed to "The Garden on the Moon" on cover. Thanks. Hauck 16:58, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

The Garden on the Moon - sorry I've had so much stuff swirling around my brain - I'm going to post something odd on your talk page in a moment so watch out ! --Mavmaramis 17:00, 18 June 2015 (UTC)


Uploaded cover for your verified here. Hauck 16:02, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Great thanks. Book to big for my lowly A4 scanner. --Mavmaramis 16:03, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Inserting fictive months in publication date for ordering purposes

Hello, I'm not that keen on such practice that is contrary to the Help and the "spirit" of the db. I've reverted your changes. Hauck 10:24, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Hmm...well I have seen other entries like that. But I'll bow to your superiority. --Mavmaramis 10:45, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Yes, so have I. There are talks of a new field "printing rank" that could solve such problems. Hauck 12:20, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Then again someone's *bound* to say "ahh yes but the number line series takes care of that" except of course whete there is no number line series. --Mavmaramis 12:21, 20 June 2015 (UTC)


Hello, as I rejected some of your submissions, here's a quick rule of the thumb for varianting : the more recent title is always varianted to the older one, so the ID to enter is the one of the chronologically first title. Hauck 14:18, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. It's those pesky duplicate covers I keep coming across and then I have to remember where the 'other oine I saw a while ago' was in the list. --Mavmaramis 14:20, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Yes, it happens to me all the time ("Where the hell did I see this cover?"), the larger your collection of books, the more difficult it becomes. BTW the db is going to be shut down in a few minutes (14:30 GMT), you'll be able to see the effects. Hauck 14:23, 20 June 2015 (UTC)


Hello, I've changed the artist for this pub from "Colin Andrews" to "Colin Andrews (artist)". Hope that I was right. Hauck 09:09, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

I assume so. Another case of checking the name first before entering to see if there are duplications. --Mavmaramis 07:33, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Airmont edition of King Solomon's Mines

Hi, I've put your submission for that publication on hold, because we already have a publisher called 'Airmont Books' with a publication series 'Airmont Classics' in the database. Would the copy you have at hand fit into these existing slots? Christian Stonecreek 18:31, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes it would. I should have looked up the publisher first. So little time so many books.... --Mavmaramis 18:33, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
Oh, don't fret. If you do it slower or faster: the amount of things to do seems to me as remaining constant (I approved and did the corrections). Christian Stonecreek 19:26, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Purpose of my notification page

Your note on this page about making a correction to my verified record for The Secret Songs should have been made on my talk page and not on my notification page. Please keep this in mind when making changes to any record for which I am the primary verifier. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:55, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

I followed your notifications statement: "If you've come here to inform me that you wish to make a submission to add a COVER IMAGE or NOTES to any of my primary verified records, please click here" As I was merely adding a NOTE I clicked - seems clear to me that it was posted to the correct page and forgive me if I'm totally confused about where such notes go - I got moaned at by you for posting something similar on your talk page only to be told by you that it should have gone on your notification page. Make your mind up where you want the "addition to NOTES" to go - talk page or notification page. --Mavmaramis 07:13, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
I misunderstood your message, mistakenly assuming that the change was made to both the cover art field and the note field. Please forgive me. Also, just tell me I was wrong. The tone of my original post was civil, and your response was not. Please keep that in mind when corresponding with your fellow editors. Mhhutchins 15:57, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
My emotional stability is delicate at best and they can get knocked out of kilter by the most (seemingly to others) innocuous things and I become frustrated and over emotional. Sorry if the tone of my reply was harsh. --Mavmaramis 16:40, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Big Deep

Hello, can you add the content to this chapbook, it appears on our cleanup report. Thanks. Hauck 10:55, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

I added the missing (and required) SHORTFICTION content record to this publication. Keep this in mind when creating publication records typed as CHAPBOOK. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:51, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't see the above message asking for you to add the missing content. Mhhutchins 16:52, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
I thought that like adding a new novel the content would be added automatically. I wasn't sure about whether it was a novel or a chapbook but being only 93 pages I thought I'd err on the side of caution and go for Chapbook [note this entry has been edited together]. --Mavmaramis 17:28, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
Think of a CHAPBOOK as a single-content collection. Every CHAPBOOK record must have one content record typed as SHORTFICTION or POEM. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:13, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


This publication should have been entered under the existing title record. Using the "New Novel" function created a new title which will have to be merged with the existing one. Also, I change the publisher to "Bantam Books", the standard designation for this publisher. Mhhutchins 19:10, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

I couldn't do that since the copy I have doesn't have the subtitle and there wasn't a relevent ediion to clone from. --Mavmaramis 19:14, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
The publication you added matches exactly the author and title of this record. You should have gone to that record and used the "Add Publication to This Title" function, and not the "Add New Novel" function. Please merge the titles when you get a chance. Mhhutchins 19:37, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
BTW, you should only clone when the editions match, but there's a been a change in the price, ISBN, printing, etc. Otherwise use the "Add Publication" function. You avoid the common mistake of forgetting to change all of the fields when you clone improperly from a similar record. In fact, I recommend that you only use the clone function when there are contents (like in a collection or anthology) and you want to avoid entering them again and merging them. Mhhutchins 19:41, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
For example, it was unnecessary to use the clone function to enter this record. It would have been easier to use the "Add Publication" function. You wouldn't have needed to overwrite all of those fields and decreasing the chances of mistakenly carrying over data from the original record. Mhhutchins 19:44, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Can't find where to merge the titles. --Mavmaramis 19:48, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
There are two methods. The easiest: go to the author's summary page and click on the "Check for Duplicate Titles" link under the Editing Tools menu. On the next page find the titles that match and check the boxes of those you wish to merge. Second method: go to advanced search and enter "Frankenstein" in the first box (under "Title"), "Mary Shelley" in the next field (change dropdown menu to "Author"), and "NOVEL" in the last field (as "Title Type"). There are going to be more matching titles using this method so you have to find those two that match exactly, keeping the language field in mind. The date field is not going to necessarily match, since the publication you added gave the date of the title as 1981. Mhhutchins 20:38, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
The author's introduction will have to be merged with the existing title as well. Mhhutchins 20:39, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

(unindent)I went by the first method and found the two records (for title and for the author intro) and merged them. Hopefully that is correct. --Mavmaramis 07:09, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

You've made one submission that merged the introduction. You have to make another submission to merge the title record of the publication. Look at Shelley's page under Novels and under Fiction series. The one under Novels is the publication you added. Click on the "Check for Duplicate Titles" link and you'll see the two titles at the top of the page still need to be merged. Mhhutchins 16:29, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
I'm hoping that should have sorted things out. --Mavmaramis 16:44, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Crediting uncredited cover art

When crediting cover art based on secondary sources, you must credit as the canonical form of the artist's name, regardless of how it is credited in the secondary source. For example, I changed the credit you added to this record from "David Hardy" to "David A. Hardy". This also applies to credit based on artists' signatures. If "EMSH" is visible on the artwork of an uncredited cover, you should credit the work to "Ed Emshwiller and not "Emsh". You only credit to "Emsh" if there is a stated credit, i.e. "Cover art by Bmsh". Then the record is varianted to the canonical artist. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:34, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

The cover art credit did not come from a secondary source it came from the primary source - as stated - where his name is given as "David Hardy". No idea where you got the idea the credit came from a secondary source. --Mavmaramis 19:42, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Sorry. In my haste I misread the note. I'll make the correction and the variant. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:45, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Twenty Years of Art: Elmore

I would think that this collection of his art should be credited to Larry Elmore. Also, "Art Fantastix Select" appears to be a publisher series and not a title series. Thanks. 13:37, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Correction made. --Mavmaramis 18:04, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

"The" Naked Lunch by "William Burroughs"

Can you confirm the title and author credit given in this record reflects those given on the book's title page? If this edition was published as The Naked Lunch by "William Burroughs", then the publication was entered under the wrong title record and will have to be unmerged from its current record and then varianted to the it. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:36, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

The Naked Lunch. William Burroughs. As per title page. I'm hesitant to do the unmerging myself incase I get it wrong. --Mavmaramis 17:40, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
I'll do it for you. I'll first have to correct the publication record's title and author credit. In the future, go to the parent record and click on the link "Unmerge Titles" in the Editing Tools menu. On the next screen select the publication(s) you want to unmerge. Once that's accepted by a moderator, the publication record has a new title record. Then you decide if it has to be varianted or merged to a title already in the database. If they match exactly (title and author), you merge. If there is a difference in either title or author, you variant. Mhhutchins 17:44, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
I managed to figure out the first part - i.e. "go to the parent record and click on the link "Unmerge Titles" in the Editing Tools menu. On the next screen select the publication(s) you want to unmerge" and selected the Corgi 1976 edition to unmerge. Hoping that was the right thing to do. --Mavmaramis 17:47, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

(The) Master of the World

You entered this publication under a title record which doesn't match the title field. Is there a "The" given on the book's title page? Mhhutchins 22:46, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

I went ahead and unmerged it from the "The" title record, and varianted the new title record. I also added several other publications (most from Airmont) which had dropped the "The". Mhhutchins 22:50, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
"Master of the World" on title page. I cloned one of the earlier Airmont editions that was already listed. --Mavmaramis 07:28, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Price obscured

You should add a note that the price of the PV1 copy of this publication has been obscured. Otherwise a user may safely assume, and incorrectly, that it is not priced at all. Mhhutchins 18:02, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

I'll do that, thanks. --Mavmaramis 18:07, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

New art credits

Hi, and thanks for your thorough work on art credits ! One thing though : when you add the name of an artist in a record, I think it might be a good idea to replace at the same time the “unknown" entry by the new name on the image page (as I have just done for The Sirens of Titan, for instance). TIA, Linguist 19:44, 10 July 2015 (UTC).

Smith's "The City of the Singing Flame"

Please see this discussion. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:29, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Also this one regarding another reprint. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:28, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

cover signed

Cover of Infinity Flight is signed right at right bottom corner by Bob Layzell. --Zapp 11:43, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Cover artist

Cover artist for The Hollow Lands is credited at ISFDB Publication Record # 506657 for Bob Haberfield. --Zapp 16:01, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Rick or Richard Courtney

Is the piece on page 155 of this publication explicitly co-credited to "Rick Courtney"? If so, can you compare it to the works of Richard Courtney, and determine if a variant should be created? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 23:45, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Ok to answer your first question. Artwork is titled as "Cover for Heavy Metal (with Rick Courtney)" the artwork is signed "© 1979 / R. Corben / R. Courtney" As to your second question since the artwork is a combined piece it is uncertain to me as to which elements are by Courtney. I browsed through the cover art gallery of Richard Courtney and my answer would be I don't know (maybe ?). Comparing the signiature on Merchanter's Luck and Sunbound they look similar (if indeed he signed the Corben piece as opposed to Corben writing his name under his own) although the tail of the Y is not as long as on those two pices. That's all I can say on the matter. Sorry if it hasn't been a definitive answer. It's "probably" the same guy. --Mavmaramis 15:52, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
We've determined since I posted this message that Rick Courtney is the same artist as Richard Courtney, and since the piece is explicitly credited to Rick Courtney, we'll variant the work to Richard Courtney. Thanks for responding. Mhhutchins 16:01, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Quantum Special 1

You seem to be the primary verifier of Quantum Special 1 I noticed you have this titled as Quantum Science Fiction Special. Where did you get that title from (the title and/or copyright page perhaps)? The cover seems to specify otherwise. Anyway, that aside I believe this should be part of a Sidgwick & Jackson publication series which I have for now called "Quantum Special". I made a submission to add this to such a series. Can you approve and verify this? If you are verifying such things perhaps you an also update the page numbers. Thanks. Uzume 23:29, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Title page has "Quantum Science Fiction" (over) "Special 1" - back cover of dust wrapper has the following text: "Quantum Science Fiction, an international publishing venture presenting the best in modern science fiction." Page numbering is correct (333+237) so no updating is necessary and I don't do approvals that's down to moderators. --Mavmaramis 16:53, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
I only meant to approve it insofar as a moderator can see your comment of approval of the change and approve my submission thereby affecting the change. Thanks for the feedback. Uzume 03:46, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
My comments on approval are neither nere nor there, if the moderator decides your changes are fine he'll approve them otherwise he won't. I have little to do with it other than to suggest that you should have called the series "Quantum Science Fiction Special" which would have been more accurate according to the title page of my omnibus edition. --Mavmaramis 16:56, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

The Pentateuch of the Cosmogony

I used my vacation to read the booklet of my CD edition of this. For me, the text turned out as a science fiction novelette (the framing story) with a mythological creation story found in the derelict alien space ship. So, shouldn't this be a CHAPBOOK (as the music - by Greenslade - isn't eligible for ISFDB as far as I understand the help pages)? What do you think? Christian Stonecreek 11:09, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

The original version was published as a 12" sized hardback book with the vinyl LPs in sleeves pasted into the front and rear of the covers. From what I understand, although Wiki neither confirms nor denies, the music by Greenslade is actually supposed to be an accompaniment to the book - hence it's issued by Dragon's World in conjunction with EMI (the record label). The book has the EMI logo on the spine and copyright page has "Marketed and distrubuted by EMI". It'#s actually quite a wonderfully produced item and although I no longer own a record player it's one of a small selection of vinyl LPs I have retained (for obvious reasons). I bought my copy in 1995 and paid the princely sum of £25 for it. Although the transformation from 12" to 5" was reasonably successful I don't think the CD copy does the original justice. Anyway all that to omne side feel free to change to CHAPBOOK as, since it's only 48 pages and it's a lot of illutsrations I'd be inclined to agree that it's a CHAPBOOK. Whether or not the music actually qualifies as "speculative fiction" I'll leave for higher authorities to decide, although to be honest, the entry for the publication mentions the music so as far as I'm concerned it is included by default. Hope these notes have been of use/interest. --Mavmaramis 18:01, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I'd love to have the art more big, in CD booklet format some details just aren't recognizable anymore.
From the sections on what to include it's quite clear that music isn't eligible. Provided there's a difference made on the title page between 'Words and Pictures' (Woodroffe) and 'Music' (Greenslade) it also should only be credited to the former. Stonecreek 03:35, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

The Second Earth: The Pentateuch Re-told

You verified this pub and this one. I think they're the same, and that the NONFICTION entry should be deleted. Can you check this? Thanks, --Willem 19:39, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Would it be possible to view this book as a variant of The Pentateuch of the Cosmogony? Stonecreek 03:34, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Looks like the second one you link is a duplicate. As for making it a variant that's probably opening the proverbial can of worms. I'll leave that for the Moderators to sort out. I've submitted a deletion for record 513217 and transferred the notes on that entry to 475201. --Mavmaramis 18:31, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
I think it would only be a variant if the novella's are the same. Thanks for removing the duplicate. --Willem 19:28, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Since the first Pentateuch is only a novelette it seems not only retold but also expanded for The Second Earth. I have credited The Pentateuch of the Cosmogony only to Woodroffe according to the likely statement as referred to in the preceding discussion item. Stonecreek 03:31, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

(unindent)Wikipedia has this to say: "The story was retold without music in Woodroffe's 1987 book The Second Earth. This featured additional artwork and was rewritten with extended prose replacing the original verse form. The additional artwork is not always as closely linked to the story as the original selection." Variant or expanion - I leave that for the moderators. An interesting discussion nonetheless. --Mavmaramis 18:18, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, that does confound the impression that the two are not to be varianted. I'll add your found note, though. Thanks for it! Stonecreek 05:26, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Cover artist for Divine Invasions

I added the artist and an accompanying note. Stonecreek 05:32, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Found an image URL for this pub at Amazon. --Zapp 18:40, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Image URL found

for this pub at Amazon. --Zapp 18:59, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Galactic Aliens

I've added Additional Publication details for another edition of your primary verified. 02:28, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

The Man in the High Castle - additional edition identity

I'm verifying an edition of your PV1 [1], which has the same cover and ISBN as yours, but a different price, and no publishing date stated beyond the original Penguin 1965 date, and a number line showing a 7th printing. To help confirmation one way or the other, would your copy have a number line? Thanks, Astrodan 08:55, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

No number line in my copy, It has "Reprinted 1976, 1978, 1987" under the Penguin 1965 date and a barcode on the back cover and other prices thus: A$12.95, NZ$14.99. Hope that helps.--Mavmaramis 17:32, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Yes, thanks for the info. Astrodan 17:36, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Pulsar 2

Hello, I've added the precise pub date as per review slip for your verified pub. Hauck 16:23, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

More than human

I added a publication history to your PV1 [2]. Astrodan 17:42, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

A Time of Changes

Ditto your PV1 [3] Astrodan 17:44, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Visions of Spaceflight pub notes

I've added pub notes re printing date, art credits and price to your PV1 Visions of Spaceflight Astrodan 12:10, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

The Art of Chesley Bonestell - pub notes.

I've added pub notes re printing date and price to your PV1 The Art of Chesley Bonestell Astrodan 12:27, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

The Best of Isaac Asimov 1954-1972

Hi, I've added content and pub notes to your PV1 { The Best of Isaac Asimov 1954-2974] Astrodan 16:30, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Second Armada Monster Book

Please confirm that the story "The Giant Who Sucked His Thumb" in this publication is credited to "Adrien Stoutenbury" and not Adrien Stoutenburg. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins|talk 15:46, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Can confirm Adrien STOUTENBURY as per contents page, acknowledgements and name under title on page 9. --Mavmaramis 18:51, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Cover art credit for The Black Cloud

Please confirm the cover image, cover art credit, and printing date given in this record. The image currently attached to the record is the same as the 1968 printing. David Pelham's first cover for Penguin was the 1971 printing that looked like this. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins|talk 18:27, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Can confirm cover image is correct, cover art credit as stated on rear cover "Cover design by David Pelham" and date of 1971 as per the notes "Reprinted 1961, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1967, 1968, 1971" - has the prices of UK 25p 5/-, Australia $0.85, New Zealand $0.85, South Africa R0.60 and Canada $1.15 and ISBN is 140014667 without the leading 0. My primary source copy matches the record. Hope that helps. --Mavmaramis 17:18, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
We then have to assume that this printing (the first 1971 printing) was intended to have Pelham's new cover art and contained the credit, but for some reason it was mistakenly printed with the previous edition's cover. That was corrected in a later 1971 printing which credited Pelham and, more importantly, had his actual work on the cover. The cover on your copy is a graphically-altered riff on the earlier John Griffith's cover art of which there are two variations in the database. If it were my verified record, I would note the credit error and remove it from the record. But since it's yours, I'll leave that decision to you. If you choose to keep the credit, a note explaining the discrepancy would help any future users of the db. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 18:12, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
I've removed the David Pelham cover art credit and altered the notes to reflect your comments. Hope that's covers the discrepancy. --Mavmaramis 19:10, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

On Wings of Song pub note

I've added a pub note on cover art to your PV2'd On Wings of Song Astrodan 17:16, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Good catch. My copy doesn't have a sticker but the correct ISBN is on the copyright page. The ISBN number printed on the spine and rear (0417060807) is indeed for 334. --Mavmaramis 17:23, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
I can't claim the credit for that, it was already there from the PV1, Bill Longley, of whose passing I was recently informed. My note was solely about cover art. Astrodan 20:27, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Alien 3 pub notes

I've added pub notes on publication month and cover artwork credit to your PV2'd Alien 3. Astrodan 12:59, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Alice's World

Hello, I've changed the author of your verified pub from Sam Lundwall to Sam J. Lundwall as per title page. Hauck 15:28, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Dune - Year and price

I'm checking my 1984 NEL edition of Dune against your PV1'd Dune, but would like to check a couple of things with you first.

You quote "New Edition October 1984" in the pub notes, which matches the last of 18 date lines in my book's copyright page, but your metadata Year shows "1984-00-00".

Also, my book has a blank gold rectangle at bottom-left of the rear cover, with "£2.50" printed in gold just above it. It doesn't have the white square you mention, or a price in white. (Did you mean to say "£2.95", rather than £2.50, in the white box?)

When you get a chance, could you confirm which is the correct date for your book, and say whether the white square and date is printed, or just a sticker? Thanks, Astrodan 21:42, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi yes date is October 1984 and price printed on white box is £2.95. Have corrected both those errors. The gold rectangle you mention on your copy hides the old price of £2.95 printed on a white rectangle - the outline of a larger rectangle and remanats og gold remain on the rear of my copy. White square with black £2.95 is definately printed as opposed to a sticker. Hope that helps. --Mavmaramis 17:05, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
It's strange to see a drop in price, unless they were trying to get rid of warehouses full of overproduction. And it also means that the price is the only point of difference between our two books. Is that sufficient for a new pub record, or should I just do an add. verification, and add a pub note saying something like "PV2's copy has overprinted £2.50 in gold over gold rectangle blocking out old price"? Thanks, Astrodan 22:50, 13 October 2015 (UTC)#
I've additionally verified your PV1, and added a pub note as above. Astrodan 10:16, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

(unindent)Seems like you may have misunderstood. My copy also has the gold £2.50 stamped on the rear cover but the gold box has been scrapped away to reveal the old price of £2.95 in the white rectangular box beneath. Since the book has movie stills on the back cover and the date is 1984 it would seem to me to be reprinted to tie in with the release of the movie but as you suspect they may well have printed way more copies than were actually sold at the original price and were indeed attempting to get rid of them. Personally I believe that your copy and my copy are identical except for the fact your copy retains the gold overprinting intact and mine does not so I wouldn't create a new publication record. --Mavmaramis 18:17, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

No, I didn't create a new pub record; I just add. verified yours, and added a pub note highlighting the small difference in the the gold overprint on my copy. Astrodan 15:42, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Del Rey's Fantastic Science-Fiction Art

If you've no objection, I'd like to add the content to Lester Del Rey's Fantastic Science-Fiction Art, 1926-1954. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:33, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Not at all. Please go right ahead. --Mavmaramis 18:20, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Inconstant Moon - pub notes

Hi, I've added pub notes on page count, artist signature and additional pricing to your PV2'd Inconstant Moon. Astrodan 10:06, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Transluminal: The Art of Jim Burns - cover art image

I've added a cover art image to your PV3'd Transluminal: The Art of Jim Burns. Astrodan 12:48, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Fyi, after this discussion I changed both pagenumbers. --Willem 18:29, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Footfall - pub notes

Hi, I've added pub notes on number line, cover art credit and additional pricing to your PV2'd Footfall. Astrodan 18:32, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

The Book of Ptath - pub notes

I've added pub notes on printing history and cover art credit to your PV2'd The Book of Ptath. Astrodan 15:33, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

The Undercover Aliens - pub notes

I've added detail to the pub note on cover art credit, and added a new pub note on pricing, on your PV2'd The Undercover Aliens. Astrodan 22:12, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

The Shadow of the Torturer - Content and pub notes

Hi, I've added an appendix to Content of, and pub notes on the same plus OCLC and pricing to, your PV1'd The Shadow of the Torturer. Astrodan 12:38, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

F.A.T.E. Jewel of Jahren

Can you check your copy of this publicatio [4] my copy has £0.45 and 111 pages the rest is thesame as your copy, thank you. William 14:48, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Can confirm price is £0.45 and page count is 111. --Mavmaramis 17:53, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, I changed it. William 22:23, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

The Silmarillion

Hi, I've imported content from the Canadian 1979 edition for our mutual verified copy of The Silmarillion. I also would like to change the publisher into Unwin Paperbacks, as is given on cover, title- and copyright page.--Dirk P Broer 23:32, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Can confirm Unwin Paperbacks so go right ahead and make the necessary chages. --Mavmaramis 18:00, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Dream Trips

Hi, the cover art for this publication is by Bob Haberfield, see this archive of his defunct website. Horzel 10:15, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Survey of Science Fiction Literature

Hello, I've added scans for the volumes 1,3 & 5 of this series. Hauck 14:54, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

The Cream of the Jest: The Lineage of Lichfield: Two Comedies of Evasion

Hi, I imported content for your verified copy of The Cream of the Jest: The Lineage of Lichfield: Two Comedies of Evasion.--Dirk P Broer 21:53, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

One Hundred Years of Science Fiction, Book 1

Hi, I imported content from my Pan books edition to your verified copy of the second edition of the Pan books One Hundred Years of Science Fiction, Book 1.--Dirk P Broer 22:32, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

As stated in the rules concerning primary verification, contents should be added to publication records typed as COLLECTION or ANTHOLOGY before being primary verified. Please keep this in mind. Thanks for contributing. Mhhutchins|talk 03:18, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Asimov's Mysteries

Did the same for Asimov's Mysteries.--Dirk P Broer 22:35, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

The Moment of Eclipse

Hi, Isn't your copy the same as this copy, apart from the publisher's name? And what publisher name is on your title page and/or copyright page?.--Dirk P Broer 22:40, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Dirk, no my copy isn't this copy - my copy has different cover art - it has an all black cover with a large A in a cirle bottom right hand corner and "Brian Aldiss" in large silver lettering with "The Moment of Eclipse" below in a cyan colour. It's identical to Cryptozoic except for the colour of the title. Granada also reissued "Galaxies Like Grains of Sand" with an identical cover design. Publisher is Granada Publishing - "Panther Science Fiction" on cover, "Panther / Granada" on spine (Granada being larger typeface and bold), "Published by Granada Publishing Limited" on copyright page. Hope that helps.--Mavmaramis 18:30, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

To Ride Pagasus

Hi, I've imported content for your verified copy of To Ride Pagasus.--Dirk P Broer 19:55, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Logan's World

Hi, the cover art for this is by Charles Moll, see his deviantart site (very first image). Horzel 14:19, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Clark Ashton Smith's "Genius Loci"

I added a note to your verified copy of Genius Loci. I linked to the image on the cover artist's site and pointed out that his image showed different (lower) prices and suggested it was price change prior to publication. Doug 17:18, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Waterhouse credit in Art of Imagination

I'm going to correct the credit for the cover of Dunsany's Time and the Gods appearing on page 533 of our mutually verified publication Art of Imagination. We currently have it as "John Williams Waterhouse" whereas it should be "John William Waterhouse". I'm waiting for one of the verifiers of another publication where this title occurs to agree to the edit before I proceed. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:32, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Rear cover of this edition of Time and The Gods has it as John Williams Waterhouse which looks like an error of the publishers part. --Mavmaramis 17:20, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Roger Zelazny's "Jack of Shadows"

I have replaced the amazon image for Jack of Shadows with a scanned image. Doug 04:08, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Possible Typos

Would you mind double checking these possible typos?

Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:37, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Typos corrected. --Mavmaramis 13:22, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

The House on the Borderland cover

Can you please check the cover attribution in this pub for the cover of The House on the Borderland, which is currently listed as being by Les Edwards. In a friends-locked post on Facebook, Les has said that the cover is not by him, it's by Terry Oakes who was represented by the same agency. Thanks for checking. PeteYoung 01:48, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Checked - it is indeed Terry Oakes. I'll make changes necessary to The House on the Borderland. --Mavmaramis 17:34, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Decade The 1950s

Hello, cover artist was found for this pub. Hauck 13:19, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

The Cyberiad

Hi. I've asked a question which involves several verified pubs of the above. Could you provide input in this discussion? Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 05:10, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Based on your response in the discussion linked to, I added the "the" in front of "Princess". Doug / Vornoff 17:27, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

The Fantasy Art Techniques of Tim Hildebrandt

Hi. In your verified copy of the above, I noticed you have two titles which show up as dupes for Hildebrandt: p.24 and p.65 Vendetta. Do you want to disambiguate those? Also, I've just entered Curse of the Werewolf and it has a cover by Hildebrandt. Could this be the same art as your p.131 "The Curse of the Werewolf" interior artwork in which case it could be varianted to the cover. Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 07:02, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay my flat has just returned to normaily after the redecoration of my living room. The illustration on page 24 is an unused cover sketch for Vendetta, the one on page 65 is the final version as used on the book so I'll rename that Vendetta [1]. The illustration on page 131 is indeed the cover of the book you mention above. --Mavmaramis 16:52, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Titling identical titles in the same work by the same author/artist

Re this record: I have corrected the method you used to title the contents which are identically titled. The ISFDB standard is to disambiguate the second and subsequent such titles, so there is no title "[1]". Please look over the changes I made to the record to see how it's done. Also, I changed the title of the foreword from "Foreward" to "Foreword". If that's the way it appears in the book, please change it back and note the odd spelling.

Also, are the untitled works actually titled "untitled"? If not, then that's not how they should be titled in the ISFDB publication record, which tries to reflect titles as they are published. If the works are not titled, then the default is to title them as the work which they illustrate. In this case, the first such untitled record would be titled "The Fantasy Art Techniques of Tim Hildebrandt", and the second would be titled "The Fantasy Art Techniques of Tim Hildebrandt [2]", and so forth. I've not changed the titles in this publication, just in case they are actually titled "untitled". If not, please correct them. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 17:06, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Also, please confirm the spelling of this title. Mhhutchins|talk 17:10, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

I've ameded the spelling error. As for the illustrations which are listed as "untitled" - for example page 80 has no title merely a caption thus: "Unpublished finished pencil drawing from Urshurak, 1979", page 113 is captioned "Book cover, New American Library, 1987" - I'll give the ones that have no title "The Fantasy Art Techniques of Tim Hildebrandt" --Mavmaramis 13:35, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Classics of Modern Science Fiction

When you get a chance, could you please review this discussion, which affects your verified pubs? TIA! Ahasuerus 18:20, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Flashing Swords!

Another editor has asked to change the date of our mutually verified Flashing Swords! I citing Goodreads as a source. I'm not sure how reliable that source is for bibliographic data, but I don't think it matters in this case. After pulling the book, I noticed that it does have the statement "First published in Great Britain in 1974...", so I think the date change is good. I'm going to go ahead and accept the change, but swap out the note in favor of the statement on the copyright page. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:10, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Can confirm the ststement as in the book. As for the reliability of Goodreads I wouldn't like to guess either and one can never assume that people entering data on Goodreads check it with the primary source. --Mavmaramis 13:39, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Card's Hot Sleep

Added overseas cover prices to our verified Hot Sleep. PeteYoung 15:32, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

The Space Warriors

I changed this verified pub from NONFICTION to COLLECTION. Seemed logical since it contains three pieces of shortfiction. Also added the price (front flap of the dustjacket) Thanks, --Willem 21:46, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Possible Typos 15-March

Here are some more possible typos:

Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:30, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Typos corrected --Mavmaramis 17:14, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Near-duplicate PKD printings

Ace is at it again. 1976 [printing]. 1977 [printing] with notes to explain the differences. I haven't adjusted the notes at all for the 1976 record [who knows, there may be three .....]. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:09, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. I checked my copy as per the notes and found it to be a 3rd printing thus have verified it and removed verification for the 1976 printing. --Mavmaramis 17:21, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Kothar, Barbarian Swordsman

Cover art for the Star edition is by Bill Hughes, see here. Horzel 14:54, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Olaf Stapledon: A Man Divided

I confess I got a little carried away making a few minor improvements to our above verified pub, and perhaps strictly speaking I should have contacted you first. Apologies. I made a necessary correction to the cover art credit, the artist's surname being spelled "Pasternak" in the pub, not "Pasternack". I also added brief Notes concerning the number line on the copyright page and the Editor's Foreword, along with adding the accompanying Roman Numerals to the page count. Also on the back cover is "The Science-Fiction Writers Series", a pub series which has not existed in the database until now; I see the Olaf Stapledon book has similar cover typography to that of your verified The Science Fiction of H. G. Wells – can you please check if the series name also appears anywhere in that book too? I'll contact other verifiers of other books that may also be in this series. Thanks. PeteYoung 15:22, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Yes "Science-Fiction Writers / Robert Scholes, General Editor" appears on the page prior to the title page. Same for the papeback copy of Isaac Asimov - the hardbound copy of the same has "The Science-Fiction Writers Series / General Editor: Robert Scholes" on the rear of the dustwrapper. --Mavmaramis 17:39, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

City of the First Time

Added price. [5]--Auric 19:24, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Fantasy Posterbook

I have entered the art content to Fantasy Posterbook, varianting the illustrations to their titles. Bob 12:54, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Possible Typos 10-Apr

Here are some possible typos:

Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:34, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Typos corrected --Mavmaramis 18:45, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

The Skylark of Space

This pub that you verified: I revised the pub notes as follows:

  • Add a couple of pub notes regarding printing history
  • Mention where cover artist credit and prices appear
  • Adde note about the 9-digit SBN
  • Re-format the pub notes into a bullet list

All the original information was preserved. Cheers, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 14:27, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

The Man in the Maze

This pub that you verified. The Price field on the pub record only contained "£", so I added the price. Can you please take a look at your copy of the book to make sure that the price matches? I also revised the pub notes as follows:

  • Add Australia and Malta prices
  • Add a couple of pub notes regarding printing history
  • Re-format the pub notes into a bullet list

All the original information in the pub notes was preserved. Cheers, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 15:32, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Cannot confirm the price as it has been obliterated on my copy. --Mavmaramis 18:48, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
Annoying, I know. Because the price can be an important factor to separate otherwise undistinguishable reprints, I always try to do my best to make the price readable again. Two of my recent attempts have gone awray, though. In one case I became first impatient, and then incensed, after trying for several minutes to remove an overly persistent price tag - in the end the tag was gone, but in the process I had ripped off a part of the book cover, including the original printed price that I had sought. I don't normally savage my books, but accidents can happen in a variety of ways. In the second case I used isopropanol to gently try and remove the color from a marker that had been used to obscure the printed price. To my horror I found out that books printed in the 1960s are less resistant to isopropanol than modern marker colors. So my advice: Reign in your temper, and don't use chemicals on old books ☺ -- Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 08:17, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
When I said the price had been obliterated I didn't mean that it was I who was the culprit. Previous owner (the read & return bookshop I bought it from) had literally scrached it away. In cases of stubborn price labels I tend to use lighter fuel on a small piece of kitchen roll. --Mavmaramis 20:04, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

All the Traps of Earth

It seems my London shopping excursion has provided me with quite a few of the books that you also have ☺. So, once again I fiddled with a book that you verified.

  • Replace the Amazon image with a cover scan
  • Add Australia and New Zealand prices
  • Add a couple of pub notes regarding printing history
  • Re-format the pub notes into a bullet list

Cheers, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 15:58, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Perhaps you might like to enlighten me as to which bookshop(s) you went to in London. It's been a long time since I went there last as the one I knew on the Highbury Road (Fantasy Centre) closed quite some time ago. --Mavmaramis 19:14, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
You can find a short write-up of my visit to London on the Community Portal page. The gist of it is that Skoob Books apparently is the spiritual successor to the Fantasy Centre. Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 08:26, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Thaks for that info. Very handy to know if at some point in the future IF I have any cash. --Mavmaramis 20:07, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

The Night of the Puudly

Another one ☺ This pub that you verified. I replaced the Amazon image with a cover scan and revised the pub notes as follows:

  • Replace the terse pub note "NEL reissue after two Four Square printings" with a more detailed list of the printing and publishing history from the copyright page
  • Mention the missing cover artist credit
  • Mention where prices appear
  • Re-format the pub notes into a bullet list

Other original information in the pub notes was preserved. Cheers, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 16:57, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Search the Sky

Added Australian price to this pub that you verified and reformatted pub notes. Cheers, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 17:13, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Before the Golden Age Volume Two

This pub that you verified already had an ISFDB cover scan, but it was the wrong one, so I replaced it (link to previous scan). I also revised the pub notes, adding prices, the publisher's note and a mention of the uncredited notice to the buyer. Cheers, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 19:55, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

That's handy, just checked my copy to discover it's the 1984 reprint so have unverified it and copied and pasted the info minus the other prices which don't appear on my copy. --Mavmaramis 19:03, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Before the Golden Age Volume Three

This pub that you verified: I revised the pub notes, adding prices and the publisher's note. I also noticed that the story title "Past, Present, and Future" appears with two commas in my copy of the book, whereas the pub record has the story title with only one comma "Past, Present and Future". Could you please check what's in your book? Cheers, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 20:17, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Hervé has already made the correction, so no need to check (unless you want to). Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 17:57, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
Same, although upon checking found I had the 1984 reprint edition. Have redone the verifications for these volumes as all mine are 1984 and cut and pasted your notes. --Mavmaramis 19:15, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
I assume that this is the pub that you newly verified. I believe you should carefully go over the pub notes once more because it appears you accidentally copied the notes from volume 2 - for instance the pub notes now state "Volume 2 of 3" although the publication is for the third volume. Also the notice to the buyer probably does not appear in your book, does it? Cheers, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 08:37, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Corrections made. Removed the note to buyer which does not appear in this volume. --Mavmaramis 19:56, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

The Encyclopedia of Fantasy

This pub that you verified: I added the publication month from Locus1, and some notes (previously there were no notes at all). I would also like to mention that the pub record had a price of £50 even though there is no price anywhere in the physical book, so I documented the source to be Locus1. Please let me know if anything does not match your book. Thanks, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 17:23, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

As it turned out I have a different edition than the retail edition that you verified. My edition lacks the price and the ISBN/EAN code. I updated the notes in your edition to match the newfound facts. Let me know if you spot anything that's not correct. Thanks, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 20:46, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
Your additional notes conform with my UK edition. Good catch. --Mavmaramis 20:00, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Index to Science Fiction Anthologies and Collections

Added scan for your verified pub. Hauck 17:18, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

The Fantasy Almanac

Added credits for interior art [6]--Auric 11:35, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Dayworld (UK)

I would like to correct or add some info with this book, Dayworld [[7]]. The month of publication is September (Locus1). There is no number line in this book, so that cannnot indicate a first printing. But it is the first printing alright. Also would like to add the "Author's Preface". Zlan52 10:43, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Great Space Battles

You may be interested to see that I've matched a bunch of illustrations from this with the original or earlier appearance (pages 9, 17, 36, 61, 73). Horzel 09:26, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

To your scattered Bodies Go

[This] discussion may change where your PV should go. Turns out the SFBC changed the publisher credit after the first printing. --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:06, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. Having checked out the discussion I have indeed had to change the verification from the Berkley/SFBC edition to the Putnam/SFBC edition. Gutter code is L27. --Mavmaramis 18:51, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Ted Hughes's The Iron Man

As verifiers of The Iron Man, I propose we change the publication type from NOVEL to CHAPBOOK. It's so short it's probably a novelette, nowhere near a novel. What do you think? (I've asked the same question to Clarkmci). PeteYoung 07:35, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

A conundrum indeed. Depends on the definition of a CHAPBOOK and indeed would anyone be willing to do a wordcount ? Clute & Nicholls is no help (merely gives date of publication without the appended 'chap') and the Wikipedia entry describes it as a NOVEL. I'd probably be inclined towards erring on the side of caution and change it to CHAPBOOK but that's probably a decision better suited to a moderator. Personally I'm willing to go with whatever the consesus of opion is on the matter. --Mavmaramis 19:39, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
I've done a word count and it's around 8,500 words, making it a NOVELETTE ("A work whose length is greater than 7,500 words and less than or equal to 17,500 words"). If Clarkmci is in agreement I'll make the necessary changes. PeteYoung 09:45, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

To Your Scattered Bodies Go - cover art

I added the cover artist of the 1993 UK edition, [[8]], Keith Scaife. I had his name from a reliable source on the internet, but cannot find it anymore, alas. Also added some notes. Zlan52 23:06, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Attempted to track down your internet source via Googling but to no avail. Scaife does have an official Facebook page so that's one way to gain confirmation but I'm not a member. --Mavmaramis 16:39, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Purnell's Book of Adventures in Space

Hello, I've approved your submission but made a few changes: 1) changed type to ANTHOLOGY (a COLLECTION is -essentially- made of texts by the same author), 2) changed author to "uncredited" (use "unknown" if the author or editor explicitely stated as such), 3) added leading "0" to ISBN. Result is here but it may be interesting to add the page numbers for the INTERIORART. Hauck 18:06, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Hauck. I wasn't sure about the interior art eg. the story "Down Down Down" has 7 small pieces (on p.8, 9, 11, 12, 14, 15 and 16) some smaller than half a page and since they're all by the same artist it would make the listing extremely long and was hoping that a single artist entry associated with the story would be sufficient - please don't make me add each individual piece of art as I'm afraid my brain would turn to goo. I should have put ANTHOLOGY and I couldn't remember if the artist should have gone down as unknown or uncredited. I'll add a cover scan shortly. --Mavmaramis 18:29, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
Be reassured, you can enter the artwork just once (the [X] extensions for multiple artwork like here are not mandatory). Hauck 19:41, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Please comment about Yoshio Kobayshi

Please comment over here. Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:13, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Covered by Hauck's scan of the page in question. --Mavmaramis 12:33, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Super Space publisher

For this entry, you have the publisher as Libro. The lists the publisher as リブロポート (Libropōt, probably meaning Libroport). Will you scan the title and copyright pages for this book and post the link to them? The Japanese copyright page is usually in the back of the book. I'm working on converting all entries which should be in Japanese to Japanese. Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:14, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Looks like the publisher lists themselves as リブロポート as well. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:20, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Scanned copyright page here. Also check out this previous discussion regarding this book. --Mavmaramis 11:08, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
The publisher should be リブロポート. It's a publisher owned by a book store chain named Libro, so that's why "Libro" is on the front cover. Will you update the record for Super Space? Will you also scan the title page so I can see what it says? Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:37, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Also, when updating the Super Space entry, please update the publish date to 1981-03-10 per the copyright page. Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:40, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Title page merely says SUPER SPACE / K.IWASAKI (in very large type in the middle of a black page) with Libro in a outline box lower right hand corner. Not really sure why you need a scan of that as that's all it says and since it's very large the book it won't fit on my scanner. --Mavmaramis 16:58, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
If that's all that's on it, don't bother. Do you want me to submit an update, or do you want to? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:36, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
Changed the date for the record to 1981-03-10. --Mavmaramis 12:43, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

The Past Through Tomorrow Vol. 2

Is there any reason why the individual stories in The Past Through Tomorrow Vol. 2 are not listed? --AndyjMo 16:27, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

I understand that there was a problem with the way this record was set up. The stories are now listed, but they do not have their page numbers. --AndyjMo 19:02, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
I didn't enter the content which is why there are no page numbers. Verifying my very large collection took aquite a number of weeks which is why I merely only verified publications rather than enter content for records that didn't have them as I didn't have the time to do so (nor do I have now). --Mavmaramis 12:39, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
OK. With your permission I will add the page numbers. --AndyjMo 08:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
Go right ahead, be my guest. --Mavmaramis 15:40, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

untitled interior art

Hi. I see in your verified Corben Flights into Fantasy that you have titled 14 of Corben's interior art works as "untitled". From what I understand, these should all be titled with the name of the publication and disambiguated accordingly (unless they are ACTUALLY titled "Untitled". The same thing for one entry in your Corben's Art Book. I noticed this because the first "untitled" work in each pub showed up as duplicates on Corben's page. Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 22:32, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

This was done at a time when I wasn't aware of the rules regarding interior artwork that didn't have a title. I'll modify the entires. --Mavmaramis 17:28, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Sorry to be nitpicky here but I believe that when you disambiguate, the first title has no bracketed number, the second title starts with [2], not [1] (the [1] is not used at all). You've got this happening at pp. 14, 22, 27 and 108. P.137 Bloodstar should be a [2]. Of course all bracketed numbers following in each group should be increased by 1. Also, p. 184 needs to be disambiguated to [2]. Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 05:35, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi. I submitted a couple of fixes for the disambiguation of your Flights into Fantasy. Doug / Vornoff 04:22, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
Ahh - my mistake. I see what happened to change the disambiguation. I cancelled my "fix". Sorry. Doug / Vornoff 04:26, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Never Underestimate

As per this exchange, and after checking, I have updated the title of Sturgeon's "Never Underestimate" in our verified 17 X Infinity. Thanks. Linguist 09:46, 6 September 2016 (UTC).

I Will Fear No Evil

Hi, I found the cover artist for your verified copy of I Will Fear No Evil. It is Ian Craig, the artist for Programma Fenice, which uses the same cover art.--Dirk P Broer 19:31, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Edited. I always thought this cover was by Ian Craig although I could never prove it. --Mavmaramis 06:23, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Friedlander Publishing

In an attempt to correct the publisher, I've corrected Friedlander Publishing to Friedlander Publishing Group (FPG) on this book Susan O'Fearna 03:20, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

The Santaroga Barrier

Added to the Note the source for the publication date on our verified The Santaroga Barrier". PeteYoung 17:48, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Art of Moebius

Could you please check if the author of "Introduction (Art of Moebius)" in your verified Art of Moebius is really listed as "Jeam-Marc Lofficier"? TIA! Ahasuerus 22:50, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Entry already says "Jean-Marc" - so the correction has been done but not by me. --Mavmaramis 08:20, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for checking! Ahasuerus 15:55, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Stowaway to Mars

Hi, I've found the cover artist for Stowaway to Mars. We even already have a record for the cover art: Stowaway to Mars.--Dirk P Broer 10:00, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Must have fallen through the cracks. Always knew it was by Colin Hay as it's in one of Cowley's pictorials. --Mavmaramis 08:06, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

The Space Warriors

Hi, I've updated the info about the interior illustrators of The Space Warriors, using info from this.--Dirk P Broer 13:26, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

News From Elsewhere

Cover artist for this is Paul Lehr, see Time Probe. Horzel 22:33, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

And I added the artist & a note and also varianted the cover. Stonecreek 11:31, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Michael Vyse's The Outer Reaches

Added a complete Note to our verified pub, also changed all the stories' "shortfiction" lengths to "shortstory", based on their pagination from the Contents page. I don't believe any of them would qualify as a novelette. PeteYoung 22:32, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Request for comment: Gods of Pegāna

Hi, just wanted to let you know that I've been verifying first editions of Dunsany collections and making some changes to canonical story titles that affect later editions that you verified. If you have any questions or objections, leave me a note. Thanks! --Vasha77 22:01, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Request for comment: Please look at the Community Portal where I explained (at possibly exhausting length) why there's a serious problem with all the editions of The Gods of Pegāna and proposed possible solutions. I'd appreciate some input... --Vasha77 00:09, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry to say it but that kind of minutiae never really bothered me and to be honest I would never have noticed it if you hadn't pointed it out. I'm happy with whatever the moderators decide. The fact that I have a physical copy of the book and there's an entry for it on ISFDB is enough for me. --Mavmaramis 08:18, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
Fair enough! Thanks for the reply. --Vasha77 02:55, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Weinberg's Dictionary of Artists

I've added Reginald, Worlcat and LCCN numbers to Robert Weinberg's A Biographical Dictionary of Science Fiction and Fantasy Artists. I also have a question. The cover scan we have appears to be green. My copy is bound in blue cloth and does not have a dust jacket. I'm speculating that the book was issued without a jacket and that the scan is just not reflecting the color correctly. I'll leave a note on the other active verifier's talk pages. Unless anyone has a green copy, I'd like to re-scan one of our copies with the blue cloth cover. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:42, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

My copy is also bound in dark blue cloth with white embossed text in a lighter blue rectangle and sans dust jacket per various listings on Abebooks. --Mavmaramis 07:15, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Blake's 7

In the notes for Blake's 7 it says "The artist is not credited, no visible signature on the artwork [promotional shot from the TV series?]". However on the back cover it states "The cover photograph shows the spaceship Liberator from the BBC-TV production of Blake's 7 produced by David Maloney and designed by Roger Murray-Leach, BBC. Copyright photograph by Bob Komer". So shouldn't the cover artist be Bob Komer? --AndyjMo 15:18, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Maybe. It's a grey area so I'd raise that with a moderator and let them decide. --Mavmaramis 07:22, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Deep Space: Eight Stories of Science Fiction

Hi. Re: your PV'd, it had a pub note "No price printed on either flap of dust wrapper." Appears likely your copy's jacket was price-clipped, but please let me know if otherwise. My verified copy has price "£3.95" on bottom corner of jacket front flap. I've submitted edit to add that price and correct the pub note. I can undo and submit my priced copy as a variant if yours really is an un-priced first UK edition. Markwood 22:41, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Just checked my copy and it definatly isn't price clipped and has no price printed on front flap of dustwrapper. There is small 'shadow' rectangle signifying a price label that has been removed (assume the £3.95) - maybe you should check if your price is on a label or printed on the dust wrapper itself. --Mavmaramis 17:58, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Moorcock's The Golden Barge

There's an Introduction to our verified pub that you may wish to add. Cheers. PeteYoung 05:13, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Could be difficult since my copy is buried somewhere and I'm not entirely sure where it is. --Mavmaramis 17:51, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Alien Worlds

Hello, I found the artist for our verified here. Hauck 17:12, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

I have to admit to missing that. I had to dig the book out again just to check and yes your right it is very small and not in the usual place (i.e. top or bottom of spine) which is why I probably missed it. --Mavmaramis 18:02, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

The Nitpicker's Guide for Next Generation Trekkers, Vol II


In your verified The Nitpicker's Guide for Next Generation Trekkers, Vol II , the cover shows Volume completely spelled. Is it just Vol on the title page? If so, can we add a note to that effect and I can variant that one out from the ones that spell it completely. If it is Volume there as well, would you mind changing the pub record so it matches? Thanks! Anniemod 23:23, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

It's Volume in full so edited. --Mavmaramis 17:54, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Terry Carr's Best SF of the Year 15

I've added a Note and the page numbers to our verified Best SF of the Year 15, but there are still a few issues that I must run past you as PV1:

  • My pub is a tp with identical cover price and ISBN... is yours really a pb?
  • There is no essay by Charles N. Brown in this edition.
  • 'Bluff' is attributed to Harry Turtledove, not his pseudonym.
  • 'Of Space-Time and the River' appears as 'Of Space/Time and the River'. There is already a variant record you can import instead.
  • There is no hash in the title before 15, although there was in the Tor first edition. I propose removing it.

As Hervé has verified the hc edition of this Gollancz pub, I'll point out to him later that some similar errors appear in his record and can also be fixed if you're in agreement with these points first, as the two pubs should match in contents. Thanks for checking. PeteYoung 19:32, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

I've removed the # from the title and changed binding to tp. AS for the erronious content can't say that I'm the one who added it (may have already been there) but go right ahead and make the edits. --Mavmaramis 15:21, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

The Cream of the Jest: The Lineage of Lichfield

I'm proposing converting two James Branch Cabell titles from collections to omnibus, including your verified copy of The Cream of the Jest: The Lineage of Lichfield. I've started a discussion here to get the opinions of the verifiers. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 17:21, 20 November 2016 (UTC)


I've added a reference to the map in Dragondrums. --AndyjMo 17:56, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Joe Petagno = Ivu Petagne

Dirk P. Broer found this identity. But is there any hint of Petagne being the legal name of Petagno in here? Stonecreek 16:54, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

The only name that appears in the text of the Foreword and Introduction is Joe Petagno. No mention of Ivu Petagne. Neither can I find any reference on the internet to Ivu Petagne being the legal name of Petagno. --Mavmaramis 09:09, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the research! Still, somehow Ivu Petagne seems to be to odd to be just a typo. Maybe someday the mystery will be resolved. Stonecreek 10:58, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
Joe Petagno is American (b. 1 Jan 1948) so where the name Ivu Petagne comes from I know not. Agree that it seems to be odd to be a typo. Petagno has an official website and facebook page - although when I did try to contact him on there in the past for confirmation of a book cover - I got no reply. --Mavmaramis 14:59, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, but there are others who use a anglificied version of their legal name; Jack Kirby being a prominent example. Stonecreek 15:41, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

The Door Into Summer

Not a change to your verified pub per se, but I've been going through many pubs of The Door Into Summer and capitalising the "into" to "Into". Thanks. PeteYoung 02:29, 9 January 2017 (UTC)


My copy of Strata matches your verified version apart from the Australian Price. Yours has $8.95 whereas mine states $7.95. I think that might be a typo on yours as the Cover Art shows the Australian Price as $7.95. Apart from that I think that yours (and my) copy is a duplicate of Strata as Locus1 has the Printing Date as Apr 1998. I therefore suggest that the unverified version is deleted and 'our' copy is updated with the Printing Month. Do you agree? --AndyjMo 18:09, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

I'll re-check my copy of Strata to see if I made a typo with the Australian price and let you know. --Mavmaramis 15:02, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Finally got roundto checking my pb copy. Made the necessary amendment to the Australian price (yes it was a typ). Suggest the second linked book is deleted and you verify the fisrt link (the one with the full wraparound cover image). --Mavmaramis 16:58, 25 January 2017 (UTC)


For Diggers the Publication Month and Cover Artist are listed in Locus1. The Canadian Price is $4.50 (it's at the top left of the Front Cover). I've updated the record accordingly. --AndyjMo 16:24, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Best Science Fiction of the Year 7

I have also verified and will be updating the record. Your only pub note said, "No price printed on either flap of dust wrapper", but my copy of the book has "£5.50 net" on bottom corner of the front flap. I will also note there is no statement of edition or printing on the copyright page of my copy. Please post a reply here and, at your discretion, either edit this listing or create a variant listing if your copy is different. Thanks. Markwood 04:35, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Can confirm that my copy definately does not have a printed price on either flap of the dustwrapper nor the tell-tle signs of a price sticker being removed. Nor does it have the ISBN number on the back flap as per your note. Can also confirm there is no statement of edition or printing on the copyright page. Have amended the note re price to clarify thet your copy (PV2) has this but mine (PV1) has neither. --Mavmaramis 16:49, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
FYI, I uploaded new jacket scan to show the spine. Markwood 23:51, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Dragons of Darkness

Added new data, new illustrations, and new page number for Dragons of Darkness. MLB 05:12, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Northern Lights

The Publication Date for your verified version of Northern Lights is 1998-00-00. I think that this should be changed to 0000-00-00 as Locus1 reports that the 1st edition was printed in Oct-1998 and this is the 26th printing. --AndyjMo 16:10, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Change made. Hauck 16:59, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Noon: 22nd Century

Hi, following this discussion your verified pub. got transformed into a COLLECTION. You might now want to add the contents. Thanks, Stonecreek 20:31, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

The Art of Big O

Hello, I've put your submission on hold. We already have TWO such publications that look quite similar to me here and there, perhaps is it useless to add a third? Hauck 09:24, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello Hauck. Before my submission the book didn't exist in ISFDB hence why I put it in. Something weird happened and after I submitted it said the ISBN already existed and then brought up the two entries you linked - which are identical and incomplete - my submission has the complete contents listed. No idea how that happened. --Mavmaramis 10:47, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
Likely a technical glitch. I've tried to salvage what I could by merging. I've deleted the 1-page long Acknowledgementsessay as we usually do not list those. Hauck 11:38, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Before the Golden Age, Volume One and Three

Hi, Can you please check both the number of pages of your verified copy of Before the Golden Age 1 and the actual title as printed on the title page? I want to import content from Before the Golden Age, Volume One, but your copy shows as having only 319 pages, while the other has on page 323 The Moon Era by Jack Williamson, having 380 pages in total. I will also import content for Before the Golden Age 3 from Before the Golden Age Volume Three. For this book too I ask you to please check the title on the title page, as that title is leading compared to what is printed on the cover, in this case '3' vs 'Volume Three'. --Dirk P Broer 09:48, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Changed titles to ewhat is stated on title pages (i.e. 'Volume One', 'Volume Two' and 'Volume Three') despite the cover merely having numbers. Also amended the page count for Vol. 1 to 380 and added page count to Vol.3 (400) so you can go ahead and add content when the submissions are authorised. --Mavmaramis 12:18, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

King Kobold

Can you check the Other Prices on the back cover of King Kobold. My copy has Australia $1.80, New Zealand $1.80. If your version does have Australia $1.50 then I will create another version for my copy. --AndyjMo 14:54, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello Andy. The $1.50 Australian price was a typo. I just checked and it is indeed $1.80. Blame my poor eyesight in equally poor lighting. --Mavmaramis 17:30, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Horror 100 Best Books

I updated the title of the essay reviewing Thomas Harris' Red Dragon in Horror: 100 Best Books. I believe this title was changed previously without notification and I'm fixing it. See this discussion. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:43, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello Ron. I fished out my copy of Horror: 100 Best Books - the contents are correct but there seems to be a major issue with the pagination of the contents.

17 •   Review: The Tragical History of Doctor Faustus by Christopher Marlowe • (1988) • review by Clive Barker. This review actually starts on page 11. There is a Foreword by Ramsey Campbell on page 2 and an Introduction by Jones & Newman on page 9. No idea where the conteents came from - looks like they were cloned from the standard hardback which may have differing paginagtion although that seems highly unlikely. As I'm PV and seem to be the only one to own a copy (of the signed version) I suppose I'll have to amend the page numbers - but it's a right faff. Right now I'm doing a passable impersonation of DDick Dastardly's sidekick Mutley. --Mavmaramis 17:27, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Albert Argyle

Does this series have any Spec-fic content? I checked the Savoy website and they seem to be comedies [albeit a little twisted ... nothing wrong with that!]. The author certainly isn't above any 'threshold' for the inclusion of non-genre works [though the series/books are all typed as 'non-fiction'??¿¿??]. If they do belong here, at least the title records of the three should be altered to have the dates of the original hard covers. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:10, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

I can't answer your question as I havn't read them. --Mavmaramis 06:35, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Futures Past

The front cover of Futures Past seems to have a 'signature' of the cover artist. It's in the middle at the bottom in the right hand flame. Any idea who it could be? I've updated the Printing History. --AndyjMo 21:07, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

I had a very good look at this alleged signiature. Personally I don't think it is a signiature but merely part of the artwork (i.e. the remains of debris burned up in the engine flame). However I have scanned that section at 1200dpi and uploaded it to Flickr HERE so you can judge for yourself.--Mavmaramis 06:06, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Edit: Image removed, link now redundant. --Mavmaramis 14:32, 22 July 2017 (EDT)

Thanks for looking. It was just a thought. --AndyjMo 13:14, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Karel Čapek's R.U.R.

I've swapped out the title record for Čapek's R.U.R. in your verified Toward the Radical Centre: A Karel Capek Reader. Locus1 notes that it is a new translation, and my edits were to separate it from the earlier translations. Locus doesn't mention the translator. If they are credited in the book, could you add them to the title record. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:08, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

I checked the book which confirms the title recordtranslator as Claudia Novack-Jones.--Mavmaramis 14:24, 5 July 2017 (EDT)

Fantastic Planets

Hello Mavmaramis,

Hauck told me it is necessary to contact you to inform you about the name of the artist I found for [9]. The source of my info is [10]. In the third image you'll see the name of the artist (Tom Kowal).

Regards, Ad73

Thanks. It was actually an error of omission on my part having located the illustration within the book itself (page 31).--Mavmaramis 14:18, 5 July 2017 (EDT)

Manifest Destiny

Hi, I've imported the Interstitial material that were also present in the 1982 Futura edition and that Bill Longley thought of as 'not worthy of note', as they are in the TOC and in the database.--Dirk P Broer 15:50, 8 July 2017 (EDT)

Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath

Hi. This is in reference to your two verified pubs for "The Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath" here and here. I can't see where they are separate pubs. Everything seems identical except 1)Pages are xii+241 in the first and xii+242 in the second, and 2) the title of the essay by Carter contains "...Through the Gates of Slumber" in the first and "...Through the Gates of Deeper Slumber" in the second. (The second is the title shown in the other Ballantine editions). Both show up as separate titles under Carter's bibliography. Am I missing something here? Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 01:15, 11 July 2017 (EDT)

No you're not missing something. I've removed the verification for the entry without a cover. --Mavmaramis 11:13, 15 July 2017 (EDT)


I'd like to change the cover artist of this Coronet edition from Matthew Fox to Nick Fox. The signature is the same as on other covers currently credited to Nick Fox, the style (leathery skin colors) is the same as on for example Dark Crusade (Coronet 1981). And "Matthew Fox" has no other credits, his existence is probably just based on signature "Fox" somehow combined with 1940s Weird Tales artist Matt Fox. Horzel 05:52, 18 July 2017 (EDT)

Yes please go ahead and amend the record. Not sure where the erronious error came in and I should have picked up on it and although I have seen one example of his work (the orange skinned cephalopod head man in Cowley's pictoral) it wasn't an image I could be certain was his. I'm sure I must have messaged you about this at some point on Flickr. --Mavmaramis 14:28, 22 July 2017 (EDT)


Cover artist of this is Chris Yates, his initials C.Y. can be seen at the bottom of the back cover. Horzel 06:39, 27 September 2017 (EDT)

Where do we go from Here? Book 1 and 2

Hi, I was wondering whether you can verify the artist for 'Where do we go from Here?' (Asimov, Sphere, 1974 (Book 1 and 2)) as being Joe Patagno -as you seem to be doing here. Perhaps from Orgasmatron: The Heavy Metal Art of Joe Petagno?.--Dirk P Broer 05:14, 13 October 2017 (EDT)

And while you're at it, can you perhaps look into Dangerous Vision 2 too?--Dirk P Broer 05:35, 13 October 2017 (EDT)
The book Orgasmatron: The Heavy Metal Art of Joe Petagno contains only heavy metal artwork no science fiction book covers. I cannot "verify" the artist and have "assumed" the artwork is Petagno from the style but I have no proof. Petagno has a Facebook page and I asked about certain covers there but got no reply. The attribution of Petagno from my Flick page is my opinion not fact. --Mavmaramis 05:58, 10 November 2017 (EST)

The Elfquest Gatherum: Volume One

Re your verified The Elfquest Gatherum: Volume One: You have the author as only Dwight R. Decker. However, the first printing also verified (and double checked with the verifier) has the authors as Richard Pini & Dwight R. Decker. Would you please double check your version? Also, what is the source of the date? Since the notes states third printing, seems like it should be undated unless you have more information not in the pub notes. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:24, 29 October 2017 (EDT)

I fished out my copy of this. 1. Regarding authorship. Title page says "Edited by / Dwight R. Dicker / Designed by / Poppy Wright" The "Introduction I is by Richard Pini but his name is nowhere on the title page. 2. Source of data is my copy of the book and yes you're right about the date - I'll make the change to this but wait on the authorship as I'm going by what is printed on the title page of my copy --Mavmaramis 12:17, 10 November 2017 (EST)
You are correct that it should be per title page. I have varianted the two works. Thanks for checking. -- JLaTondre (talk) 12:51, 10 November 2017 (EST)

Blueprint for Space

re: your PV'd ... I've added this record for the version published by Smithsonian Institution Press. If your Allen & Unwin edition has the same contents, recommend you import those contents into your record from my record. Markwood 18:50, 12 November 2017 (EST)

FYI finally got round to checking this. Contents identical and I've imported from your record. Just need to add acouple more notes for my edition (which incidentally gives an Australian address for the publisher). Can you just check the rear cover - mine says: "Cover design by Mentyka/Schlott" and below that "Printed in Singapore by Toppan Printing Company" (guessing your version was printed in the USA) --Mavmaramis 10:37, 28 January 2018 (EST)

A Gift from Earth

A Gift from Earth;.This record has an ISBN recorded but the book does not actually have an ISBN (just the ID ‘63886’ on the spine). I believe that the ISBN has been copied from the OCLC record. Should this ISBN be recorded in the ISBN field or should it just be a note? Neutron Star identifies the same problem but does not include the ISBN. --AndyjMo 15:57, 19 January 2018 (EST)

My suggestion (not being a moderator) is to replicate the note "OCLC lists a derived ISBN which is not on/in the book" from Neutron Star and remove the ISBN --Mavmaramis 03:25, 20 January 2018 (EST)
I'll do that and see what happens. Thanks. --AndyjMo 05:21, 20 January 2018 (EST)

Graphic novels

Hello, I've deleted some "pure" graphic novels by Segrelles like The Formula (and two that were already present). In this case there is no reason to accept those in the db.Hauck 05:25, 11 February 2018 (EST)

Thanks for letting me know. --Mavmaramis 09:40, 19 February 2018 (EST)


Please reply over here. Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:45, 6 March 2018 (EST)

World Soul

I wonder if this pub has twice the same essay 'Introduction'. --Zapp 16:02, 12 March 2018 (EDT)

It was duplicated. I've remove the duplicate (hopefully). --Mavmaramis 09:35, 15 March 2018 (EDT)

Fanthorpe's Walk Through Tomorrow

I'm tidying up quite a few R. L. Fanthorpe records that relate to their recent Gateway ebook editions. One ebook not yet listed is for Walk Through Tomorrow, however the Badger and Vega editions have identical covers as "Walk Through To-morrow". Before I add the ebook, which is titled "Walk Through Tomorrow", can I just check first that the title of your verified Badger edition is indeed as stated and does not have a hyphenated "To-morrow" on the title page? We will need to amend the Karl Zeigfreid title if it does and I will then need to create a new variant for "Tomorrow". Thanks for checking. PeteYoung 02:27, 27 March 2018 (EDT)

Title page has it as "Walk Through To-Morrow". Clute & Nicholls has it as "Tomorrow" (no hyphen) and Reginald's Science Fiction & Fantasy Literature has it as "to-morrow" (no capital T). Hope that helps --Mavmaramis 13:13, 29 March 2018 (EDT)

History of the Science Fiction Magazine Part 2 1936-1945

Re: this listing needs more detail about what's on the copyright page. My copy has a "(c) 1975 by Michael Ashley" copyright, plus the ISBN, but no other indication of the edition/printing. Is yours the same or different? I can't tell from description in this listing whether I've got a first edition/printing or later. I've posted this note for the other PV, also. Thanks. Markwood 20:44, 29 March 2018 (EDT)

Mine is identical. --Mavmaramis 07:09, 31 March 2018 (EDT)
Thx. Hauck said same. I PV'd & submitted edit. Markwood 13:32, 31 March 2018 (EDT)

A Different Light

Hi, the cover artist of this is Steve Weston, see his son's site. Horzel 11:51, 7 April 2018 (EDT)

Dick's The Unteleported Man

Hi! As it is documented that the full NOVEL was first published in 1983, this has to be a novella, as all other publications previous to that year (the analogous Methuen edition also was identified as a CHAPBOOK), so I made the changes already. Stonecreek 16:05, 11 April 2018 (EDT)

Breakfast in the Ruins

Cover artist of this is Peter Goodfellow, see original art at Horzel 17:44, 12 April 2018 (EDT)

The Seven Altars of Dusarra

Hi. My copy of your verified 46888 has "The Seven Altars of Dûsarra" on the title page. I therefore believe we should variant the title to include the accent. Any objections?--AliHarlow 03:14, 17 April 2018 (EDT)

No go right ahead. --Mavmaramis 14:02, 17 April 2018 (EDT)

The Fifth Head of Cerberus

Changed the page count of your verified 355187 from 191+[1] to 192 to match standard.--AliHarlow 08:20, 18 April 2018 (EDT)

The Citadel of the Autarch

The Citadel of the Autarch; This record currently has a Publication Date of 1983-11-00, but there is no indication in the Notes as to where the month came from. The Copyright page in my copy only states “Arrow edition 1983”. gives the date as 1983-10-03 but lists the publisher as Legend. GoodReads gives the date as 1983-09-05 with the publisher as Arrow Books. Do you have any suggestion as to which date (if any) should be used, or do you know where the current Pub.Date came from? --AndyjMo 17:03, 23 April 2018 (EDT)

No suggestions on which date to use and as for where the current date came from "probably" (hazy memory) already there when I verified it and uploaded the cover art. Early days of my activity on ISFBD were nw to the machinations of checking every single detail, I was at that time merely only looking at missing cover artwork or cover art attributions. --Mavmaramis 04:29, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

To merge two Nemesis pub records into one

I came across this (PV'd by you) and this (PV'd by inactive user) pub record for Isaac Asimov's Nemesis. Turns out they are exactly the same publications, apart from their primary verification (you and the inactive user). I have asked around how to merge both records, and the answer was that the only way this merger can be achieved is that you upload your cover art (from this pub) to the older record (this one), update the notes accordingly, and then finally you must PV the older record. Once that's done, they are effectvely merged and the now-redundant pub record can be deleted. Let me know if you will take care of this, or conversely, you want me to do the prep work so you only have to PV the result? Thank you! MagicUnk 07:26, 26 April 2018 (EDT)

I have added the URL for the cover image to this, so you could move your primary verification. There is a request, however, to use this entry for a first printing. Stonecreek 16:18, 28 April 2018 (EDT)
Never noticed that. I'lve moved my verification to record 23067. --Mavmaramis 12:25, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

The Face of the Waters

I do not see any changes in this submission. What are you trying to do? Annie 14:25, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

That was a result of me attempting to change the Amazon cover art for one I scanned from a transient copy and forgot to do an F5 on the upload screen and then not realising the filename was exactly the same. That's the only change. Sorry about that --Mavmaramis 13:59, 8 June 2018 (EDT)
Ah, no worries - I just wanted to make sure you did not miss to do another change. I will reject this then :) Annie 14:09, 8 June 2018 (EDT)

If the Stars Are Gods

Cover artist of this is of course Angus McKie, finally credited here in 2002. Horzel 14:49, 27 June 2018 (EDT)

Thanks Horzel. Always suspected it was McKie. However I have removed my verification for this publication since I believe it was erroniously verified in the first place (being unable to locate a physical copy in my collection). --Mavmaramis 14:42, 29 June 2018 (EDT)

The Neverending Story

I added the cover artist Richard Mantel of this pub. --Zapp 01:37, 5 August 2018 (EDT)

The Book of Goblins

Hi. You verified and perhaps entered our record of the 1973 Puffin ed. P516578. Yesterday I added the anthology's 1st ed. as A Hamish Hamilton Book of Goblins and changed the variant relationships accordingly T2432928. I will streamline and perhaps augment publication and title Notes when I learn a little more.

  1. SFE3 reports A Book of Goblins edition date 1973 (Garner list of works, which you cite). One WorldCat library record OCLC: 16237958 and one incomplete page at Amazon UK ASIN: B01FIYIN0G (Amazon US does state "Publisher: Puffin / Penguin Books (1855)!") report a 1972 Puffin. For ISBN-0140305556, another page at Amazon UK [11] states "Puffin: New edition edition (26 July 1973)". Does your book indicate whether it is the first Puffin printing, 1973? Any month?
  2. If you have time, please add the page numbers. (Strangely we now have one record of the anthology with page numbers, the 1st US A Cavalcade of Goblins, which is not verified. And it gives page-count viii+227 that conflicts with its roman numeral pagination.)
P.S. The INTERIORART in your list of Contents needs change to the title as "A Book of Goblins" T2433145.
  1. Does Puffin include the last section that LCCN: 69-17905 reports for A Cavalcade: 'Bibliographical references included in "Notes and sources" (p. 222-226)'? WorldCat records of the 1973 Puffin report 221 pages, perhaps because they don't count it.

Thanks. --Pwendt|talk 18:28, 15 September 2018 (EDT)

My edition merely states "Published ny Puffin Books 1972 / Reprinted 1973" no day or month - I've added this to the notes. I've added page numbers and also added two items omitted from the contents list - The Term by William Carlos Williams (p.49) and The River God (Of the River Minmram in Hertfordshire) by Stevie Smith (p.176). A couple of the unknown contents have a trannslators name - this isn't included in the contents - not sure how to note this. Also E.E. Cummings - this name is entirely capitalised (as are all the names in the book). Can't cahge the interior art title as its grey. Page count - first numbered page is 6, last numbered page is 221. Book includes Notes (p.217) and Sources (p.2018 - 221)

Hope that covers everything --Mavmaramis 02:15, 17 September 2018 (EDT)

The two INTERIORART titles are in the database as contents of the 1969 Cavalcade and 1972 Puffin, so we must Remove the one and Import the other (or create a new listing and later merge it). I'll submit that those two now. --Pwendt|talk 11:04, 17 September 2018 (EDT)
Since you mentioned that the only entry to have page numbers for the contents was the US version but there was a page numbering conflict I added the page numbers directly from my copy as it was the only way to be certain that everything had been covered (including the two missing content items). --Mavmaramis 04:17, 18 September 2018 (EDT)

50 Years in Space

You will want to re-edit the notes for 50 Years in Space. As per OCLC / Worldcat there was a 2004 edition of which the 2006 paperback was a reprint. Best, John. JLochhas 15:33, 22 September 2018 (EDT)

The Proud Robot

Could you check the author credit in Kuttner and Moore's The Proud Robot of the title story. See this discussioin. It looks like someone may have removed Moore's name from the credit for this story. Given that the other stories in your collection, except for "Gallegher Plus" have the combined credit, I'd like to ensure how the credit is reflected in your book to determine how we should correct the title records. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:22, 4 November 2018 (EST)

I have checked my paberback copy of this. None of the stories are individuially credited there are only the notes as on the copyright page: originally published and copyright 1952 "Lewis Padgett (Henry Kuttner & C.L. Moore)" and continuing to state it was based on five individual short stories, four copyright 1942 the fifth 1948. Title page states "The complete Galloway Gallagher stories". Hope that helps --Mavmaramis 02:31, 10 November 2018 (EST)

The Unman

Re The Unman: The container title is given as "The Unman / Kovrigin's Chronicles", but the publication title is only "The Unman". I see the cover lists both titles. What is actually in the publication? Does it list just the one on the title page? Are there two title pages (similar to a ACE double)? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:46, 11 November 2018 (EST)

Title page lists both titles sperately (on unnumbered ppage iii}, unnumbered page i has THE UNMAN / KOVRIGAN'S CHRONICLE", copyright page seperates titles by a coma --Mavmaramis 12:42, 16 November 2018 (EST)
As both titles are listed on the title page, they should both be listed on the publication record. When the title page lists the titles separately, we use the " / " nomenclature to indicate that they are separate vs. a combined title. I have updated the pub record. Thanks for checking. -- JLaTondre (talk) 11:26, 17 November 2018 (EST)

Whom the Gods Would Slay

Cover artist of this is Jeff Jones, it's a detail of the (signed) cover of The Quest of Kadji. Horzel 06:25, 16 November 2018 (EST)

Author for "Alfred Bester's The Stars My Destination ... Graphic Story Adaptation"

Hi. Heads up I'm going to submit an edit for your PV'd Currently, the artist, Chaykin, is entered as the author … and the author, Bester, isn't credited, even though it's the full of his novel. I read the 'Rules & Standards' discussion about graphic novels and understand that's not a focus going forward. However, since this pub already in, I believe the record should link to Bester. Markwood 12:02, 7 December 2018 (EST)

Go right ahead and make the necessary edits. Thanks for letting me know. --Mavmaramis 12:40, 7 December 2018 (EST)

Invasion of the Bodysnatchers


Can you take a look at your verified? The note says "Month from" but the publication date is just an year and has no month specified. Annie 14:08, 7 December 2018 (EST)

Not my note. Publication only has year. --Mavmaramis 02:16, 8 December 2018 (EST)

LCCN number


You are trying to add LCCN 72-8875 here which leads to a book that has nothing to do with the one you are editing (namely Molecular mechanisms of enzyme action). Can you please clarify where this number is coming from? If it is printed in the book, that needs to be noted in the notes and not just left like that with no explanation. I will approve the submission as soon as you let me know how I need to edit it after that so that this LCCN is taken care of. Thanks! Annie 19:41, 25 December 2018 (EST)

Same question here and here. Thanks! Annie 19:43, 25 December 2018 (EST)
That was a typo on my part - LCCN should be 72-88775. It;s printed on the copyright page of each of the volumes. --Mavmaramis 02:29, 26 December 2018 (EST)
Thanks. I will approve, fix the number and template it with a note that it is for the 3 volumes combined. Annie 02:44, 26 December 2018 (EST)

The Art of Michael Whelan: Scenes/Visions

I've been entering artworks for another Whelan art book, which has some of the same illustrations shown in The Art of Michael Whelan: Scened/Visions and found that some of these illustrations were not included in the contents of the latter pub. So I'm entering missing artworks into your verified pub; I'm partway finished now. Hope you don't mind. Bob 16:57, 9 February 2019 (EST)

Not at all. You didn't have to let me know but thanks for doing so anyway. --Mavmaramis 02:38, 10 February 2019 (EST)

Outermost: The Art + Life of Jack Gaughan

I added some notes to your verified Outermost: The Art + Life of Jack Gaughan. I also credited the INTERIORART to Gaughan. Bob 16:19, 23 May 2019 (EDT)

SF: The Other Side of Realism

[Moved from User Page to here --Mavmaramis 16:45, 13 June 2019 (EDT)]

I have submitted a correction on Clifford D. Simak's name (misspelled as "Sinak") and added metadata to the trade paperback edition of this essay collection, which you primary-verified. Hifrommike65 19:02, 11 June 2019 (CST)

A Handful of Darkness - Philip K. Dick

Hi, you are PV3 here. I have added additional details from the copyright page here

Thanks. BanjoKev 16:37, 12 August 2019 (EDT)

Alien the Movie Novel

In this publication, your comment quotes "full-cover photos", but the cover states "full color photos". Is this a typo or were you quoting from a different part of the book? Doug H 10:05, 17 August 2019 (EDT)

It was a typo. Now corrected. --Mavmaramis 14:37, 17 August 2019 (EDT)

No rollbacks

Not automatic ones anyway. Is this the update that should not have happened? I do not remember the notes being materially different but I may had missed it (especially of you had verified it). We do have backups though - so if you can confirm this is the update, we can see tomorrow if we can pull the old version off a week old backup for example? Annie 02:30, 8 September 2019 (EDT)

Looks like it cos I spelled "Burroughs" incorrectly wuth a 'o' instead of a 'u'. Not entirely sure quite how it happened mind as was "reasonably" sure I was editing "The Moon Men." I uploaded a cover as well. I have since copied and pasted the notes I added and the cover scan into the correct publication. I recall that I had forgotten to add the other prices after submission hence today I went back to add them but found that it had all gone horribly wrong. Apologies for the glaring mistake. --Mavmaramis 06:15, 8 September 2019 (EDT)
It happens. :) Do you want to try to pull the original notes from archive? Annie 11:57, 8 September 2019 (EDT)
Aa previously stated the added notes don't apply to that publication. At least that's what I infer you mean by that. --Mavmaramis 12:19, 8 September 2019 (EDT)
Yep, understood - it is early morning here, my brain asks for more clarifications than usual. Let me see what can be done today :) Annie 12:37, 8 September 2019 (EDT)
My development server is currently configured to use the data from 9:30am on Saturday. Its version of the publication record is the same as what's currently on the main server with the following exceptions:
  • No cover image
  • The Notes field says "Month of publication and cover artist information on this book from The Whole Science Fiction Data Base No.4."
Is this enough information or should I access an earlier version of the database? Ahasuerus 12:53, 8 September 2019 (EDT)
That is enough. Thanks. --Mavmaramis 13:23, 8 September 2019 (EDT)
Sure thing! Ahasuerus 14:27, 8 September 2019 (EDT)

The Moons of Jupiter

I posted a response to your question on the verification requests page. Since it's been awhile since you asked, I figured I'd let you know. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:22, 29 September 2019 (EDT)

Thank you. I've been on leave for most of the week so I've mostly been sleeping. --Mavmaramis 12:38, 29 September 2019 (EDT)

Starmont Reader's Guides

I'm trying to find out how the cover illustrations were credited in the early Starmont reader's guides. You verified Joe Haldeman and Theodore Sturgeon. The credit as we have it now is to 'Stephen E. Fabian, Sr. and Stephen Fabian'. I have a strong suspicion it should be 'Stephen E. Fabian, Sr. and Stephen Fabian, Jr.'. Could you check these for me? Thanks, --Willem 15:30, 11 October 2019 (EDT)

Both of these have "Cover by Stephen E. Fabian Sr. amd Jr." on the copyright page. Hope that helps. --Mavmaramis 07:31, 12 October 2019 (EDT)
Thanks! I'll wait for response of the other verifiers. --Willem 13:58, 12 October 2019 (EDT)
Thanks for checking. I credited Joe Haldeman and Theodore Sturgeon to both Fabians, and added a note to the pub series. --Willem 14:33, 19 October 2019 (EDT)

Science Fiction Stories

May I add the page numbers of this PV pub equal to this because I suppose the order of the pieces is not alphabetical. --Zapp 02:31, 13 October 2019 (EDT)

Yes go right ahead. --Mavmaramis 13:50, 14 October 2019 (EDT)
Done. --Zapp 04:10, 27 November 2019 (EST)

The International Science Fiction Yearbook (1979)

I'd like to change the title of this pub to 'The International Science Fiction Yearbook 1979', as stated on the titlepage. I'll also add some notes (there are none). Hope you agree. Thanks, --Willem 08:33, 6 November 2019 (EST)

Go right ahead --Mavmaramis 12:59, 6 November 2019 (EST)
Thanks and done. --Willem 14:48, 6 November 2019 (EST)

All Judgment Fled

Cover artist of this is Bruce Pennington, according to the checklist in Pennington: A Portrait of a Master Fantasy Artist. Horzel 04:19, 15 November 2019 (EST)

Same for The Shrinking Man. Horzel 04:28, 15 November 2019 (EST)
I'd love to get hold of a copy of that. Sadky not available. Go ahead and make the edits. --Mavmaramis 04:59, 15 November 2019 (EST)

Fantasy Art Masters: Dick Jude

Hi, I'd like to modify your PV1 here.

Change to full title "Fantasy Art Masters: The Best in Fantasy and SF Art Worldwide"
Publisher: to "Collins / HarperCollinsPublishers" to record that at the time of publishing, that's who owned the Collins imprint.
Add the uncredited Introduction (on page 8).
Credit the Month/Day source as Amazon. Month also confirmed Locus1.

Shall I make the changes? Thanks, Kev. BanjoKev 08:06, 19 November 2019 (EST)

Plase go right ahead and do so. --Mavmaramis 10:43, 19 November 2019 (EST)
Thanks, will do :) Kev. BanjoKev 15:39, 19 November 2019 (EST)
Somehow in these edits the container (NONFICTION) title was lost. I restored it. --Willem 04:10, 21 November 2019 (EST)
Thanks for that fix Willem. Kev. BanjoKev 01:25, 22 November 2019 (EST)

(unindent) I propose adding the extended Contents details of all the artwork and to do it author by author so that I can deal with all the varianting and merging that will need to be done as I go along. What do you think?
Also, as it's relevant to this publication, could you check the title spelling for p8 in this publication; whether it's Giants' or Giant's. Thanks, Kev. BanjoKev 16:23, 27 November 2019 (EST)

No need to check p8 in this publication, I've found it online - it's Giants'. Fantasy Art Masters has it as Giant's.
Are you ok for me to go ahead with the Contents? Thanks, Kev. BanjoKev 06:16, 2 December 2019 (EST)

Art of Imagination: 20th Century Visions of Science Fiction, Horror, and Fantasy

Hi again, I've changed the date of the interior art 'The Hand of Chaos' p622 to it's original publication date (1994-00-00) - your PV here. Thanks, Kev. BanjoKev 23:43, 22 November 2019 (EST)

Thank you but it is unneccessary for you to inform me of such minor changes. --Mavmaramis 01:49, 23 November 2019 (EST)

Voices for the Future: Essays on Major Science Fiction Writers, Volume Two

Can you check your copy of this pub for me? I think the titles of the essays are taken from the table of contents and not from the heading on the page where the essays begin. In my paperback edition, 'Phillip Jose' Farmer: The Trickster as Artist' has Philip in stead of Phillip, 'What Are We to Make of J.G. Ballard's Apocalypse' has a question mark and 'Discovering Worlds: The Fiction of Ursual K. Le Guin' has Ursula in stead of Ursual. Is yours the same? Thanks, --Willem 10:53, 1 December 2019 (EST)

"Phillip" and "Ursual" are most certainly typos. The Franklin esssay does indeed have a "?" on page 82. As to whether the ToC takes precidence I know not. Make any amendments you deem fit. --Mavmaramis 10:58, 1 December 2019 (EST)
Thank you, will do. --Willem 11:13, 1 December 2019 (EST)

Panther Granada

Hi, with regard to the conversation here [12], you are PV here.

Could you please check and let me know whether you agree to a publisher change to "Panther / Granada". Thanks, Kev. BanjoKev 23:48, 4 December 2019 (EST)

Title page has "Panther" (in small captals) over "Granada Publishing" (bold, larger captals). You can go ahead and make the change. --Mavmaramis 14:31, 5 December 2019 (EST)
Thanks for sorting that out, I appreciate it. Also, In case you missed it, did you see my last question in the Fantasy Art Masters post above, I'd like to press on with that, if that's ok. Kev. BanjoKev 15:01, 5 December 2019 (EST)
Yes you can go ahead with the edit to the Fantasy Art Masters record. Just a gentle reminder that it is unneccessary for you to inform me of such minor changes. Just go ahead and make the changes. I realize that ISFDB etiquette requires you to do so but to me it's a "minor alteration" and if necessary I can view any changes to my PV records using "My Changed Primary Verifications" --Mavmaramis 00:54, 6 December 2019 (EST)
Thanks for that clarification, it makes it easier for both of us. As a new editor it's sometimes difficult to find the line between etiquette and necessary/required with other editors and with varying degrees of change. Kev. BanjoKev 11:34, 6 December 2019 (EST)
It's fine. You were only doing what etiquette required you to do. Just be aware that different verifiers have different rquirements for notifications - take those into account - usually (as in my case) a big yellow box of text at the top of the "talk" page should let you know. You should, of course, continue to inform me of major changes to any of my PV records. Yiu havn't done anything wrong BTW - you may be more of a "completist" (nitpicker) that I am. --Mavmaramis 13:57, 6 December 2019 (EST)
That all seems fair, thanks. Kev. BanjoKev 15:23, 6 December 2019 (EST)

Science Fiction: A Critical Guide

I entered the contents for my TP edition of this title, and imported it in your HC edition. Can you check the pagenumbers/titles etc.? Thanks, --Willem 14:32, 7 December 2019 (EST)

Checks out with my HC edition --Mavmaramis 22:45, 7 December 2019 (EST)
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