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VERIFIED PUBS:

You do not need to notify me if you add missing content (departments, interior illustrations), correct typos, link entries (series, reviews). I would be interested in knowing about major changes to entered data (credits, titles). Requests to check/recheck verified pulp listings may take a while, as they are harder for me to access than digests. -- Rkihara (Ron Kihara)


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Asimov's Science Fiction, December 1995

Removed a duplicate entry for the cartoon on page 164 in this pub. Hauck 16:43, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Asimov's Science Fiction, May 1999

Changed the title of Barton's story here, from _Soldier's Home_ to _Soldiers Home_. Hauck 19:28, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Asimov's Science Fiction, July 1999

Changed title of Stableford's story from _Another Bunch of the Family Tree_ to _Another Branch of the Family Tree_ se here. Hauck 19:33, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Asimov's Science Fiction, June 2000

Changed MacLeod's story title (from Chitty to Chity) to match title page in this pub. Hauck 13:03, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

The title page is incorrect, within the story itself it's spelled "Chitty."--Rkihara 01:33, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Changes reverted per notes.--Rkihara 04:43, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

"Through a Dead Man's Eyes"

Just a note that I have turned "Through a Dead Man's Eyes" by Geoff St. Reynard in your verified Fantastic Adventures, October 1945 into a VT for Robert W. Krepps. Ahasuerus 05:03, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Cantine: Holly vs Holley

Can you check this pub for the spelling of Holly/Holley Cantine's name? I think the canonical name should be Holley (my edition of Judith Merril's anthology, Contento and the NESFA-index and even Amazon.com agree. If all verified publications have the same name, I can change it. Thanks, --Willem H. 15:19, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! It's Holley Cantine, unmerged and corrected.--Rkihara 17:00, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Fuzzy Dups on Author names

Hi Rkihara, since you mentioned that you are working on Authors, the project I opened yesterday may be very interesting to you: Fuzzy_duplicate_finder_on_all_Authors Regards, Qshadow 18:01, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll look it over. I have to confess to ignoring these types of possible errors in my drive to fill in the biographical data.--Rkihara 19:26, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Astounding, April 1942

Can you confirm the author's credit for "Silence Is—Deadly" on page 58 in this issue? Many sources give the spelling as "Bertrand L. Shurtleff" ("l" in the place of "i" in the last name). Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 18:13, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! It's "Shurtleff." Corrected.--Rkihara 18:58, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
Thank you. One less "fuzzy" match. Mhhutchins 19:40, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Fantastic Adventures, February 1946

According to this verified record, the essay "Werner - Famed Geologist" was written by Lynn Standish, but credited to Carter T. Wainwright. I could find no evidence that one is a pseudonym for the other. According to Miller/Contento, the contents page credits Standish and the title page credits Wainwright. It appears that one or the other is incorrect. ISFDB rules gives the title page preference and that's how it's recorded in the record. But I don't believe we should make Standish a pseudonym of Wainwright, as each author has a substantial body of work, and I was unable to find any source that states they're the same person. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:40, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Amazing, May 1991

Can you confirm the author credit for the story on page 29 in this issue? We have an author named "Daniel Pearlman" already in the db, and I was wondering if they're the same. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:56, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it should be Pearlman, corrected. Thanks!--Rkihara 21:59, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Dorothy and the Sequels

Is this really Shortfiction or a poem? BLongley 22:16, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! It's a poem, corrected.--Rkihara 15:25, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Henry A. Norton / Henry M. Norton

Hi, you have verified this publication, containing a story written by Henry A. Norton. Here I have a site that claims the man is named Henry M. Norton. Could you please double check the "A." for me? --Dirk P Broer 18:01, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification. To add to the confusion there's no "A.", he's credited as Henry Norton, no middle initial. Entry corrected. For what it's worth, The Day Index lists him as "Henry (A.) Norton" and credits two other stories to him.--Rkihara 17:30, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Ralph E. Vaughn

Hi, in this verified pub could you please check whether there author's last name on page 58 is Vaughn or VaughAn. Cheers, P-Brane 09:50, 16 September 2011 (UTC).

I was about to ask the same, based upon this. --Dirk P Broer 11:23, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! It's Vaughan, corrected.--Rkihara 17:12, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Astounding Science Fiction, September 1945

Changed title of Raymond F. Jones' story to _Deadly host_ (without article). Hauck 18:11, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Hobbyist

Hello, shouldn't the title of Russell's story be changed to "Hobbyist" (with quotes) in this pub, and shouldn't it become the canonical one (I'm not sure if it's systematically the one used in the first publication) ? Hauck 05:15, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! It's actually ""Hobbyist" . . . " Corrected. The first printing is usually the canonical, but since most entries are without the quotes and ellipsis, trying to change it will make a mess of things.--Rkihara 05:50, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Windfall

Changed author from Catherine Crook de Camp to Catherine C. de Camp as per title page in this pub.

Amazing Stories, January 1992

Can you confirm that the excerpt from The Mountain Made of Light is credited to Edward Meyers and not Myers in this issue? Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:21, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Index and title page credit "Meyers," but the cover reproduction credits "Myers." Obviously a mistake, will make the correction and add a note to the pub.--Rkihara 17:25, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Bernard Irwin Taylor

Hi, I've reset the year of birth to 1937, as I can find not a single reference outside Contemporary Authors that agrees with that year. Reginald3 comes with 1936, others quote 1937 (and just plain Wiltshire, which is a county). --Dirk P Broer 10:58, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Found other sources that did not show up a few hours ago, tried to cancel above mentioned request, got warning that it had no 'new' status. --Dirk P Broer 13:52, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
Looks like your change went through. I'll leave any changes you feel are necessary to you. I generally give Contemporary Authors priority over all other references as many of the entries comes from the authors themselves, and the remainder are usually pretty well researched. I have found a few mistakes though.--Rkihara 17:42, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
1934 gets supported by Howard Gotlieb Archival Research center, Debrett's (which also supports the date 1934-10-02), and of course Contemporary Authors. As other sources are generally less reliable and only state the year 1937, and no actual place of birth besides the county of Wiltshire, I think that 1934-10-02 is at present the most accurate data we have. --Dirk P Broer 20:32, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
I accepted your change earlier Dirk, but kept an eye out for this discussion, and I've accepted the correction backwards. (Since it was documented on the wiki bio page, I knew that it was safe and reversible). Thanks Kevin 21:30, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Determining an original title

Hello, Ron! If it is possible (and you are willing to) I'd like to request your help in determining the original title of the story 'The Man Who Feared Robots' (1960) by Herbert W. Franke in this issue of MFSF. Maybe the original title is printed somewhere or, if not, would it be possible to give the maybe first and last two sentences of the story (depending they are not too long)? I am working on the bibliography of Franke right now. Stonecreek 09:28, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

The editor's intro says the story was taken from Franke's book "The Green Comet." Translators were Charlotte Franke-Winheller and Paul Ritchie. Total length 2-1/2 pages. Opening sentences:
The doctor said "Lean back please."
"I'm all right," answered the patient in a low voice.
Last two:
"What are we going to do," he asked, "if we make another mistake?" He fiddled with his skull–at the embossed joints near the hairline, in order to cool the positronic switches.
The doctor was silent. But he glanced with apprehension at the face of the man who slept.
Hope this helps.--Rkihara 16:57, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, thank you very much, your effort helped very much. In other translations of his short stories the title wasn't as much a riddle as in this case. The original 'Psychotherapie' was no help. Thank you again! Stonecreek 14:26, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Amazing Stories, Fall 1999

I was setting up a pseudonym and noticed that we only have "part 1 of 2" for Dean Wesley Smith 's "The Space Vortex of Doom". Since you have verified 1999-2000 Amazings, I wonder if you may happen to know what happened to "part 2 of 2"? TIA! Ahasuerus 04:28, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

It was published as Chapter 1 instead of "part 1 of 2," and at the end of the story "To Be Continued . . . Find chapter two in the special release Captain Proton!, coming soon from Pocket Books." I changed the story title to reflect this, but now I'm wondering if I should have left as (part 1 of 2)?--Rkihara 03:40, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
According to reader reviews on Amazon, the second chapter did appear in Captain Proton: Defender of the Earth, which, as the Note field says, contains "[t]he "original" adventures of the pulp science fiction character Captain Proton, reverse engineered from a Star Trek Voyager Holodeck character. The book attempts to recreate the format and style of pulp era SF magazines, complete with "letters to Captain Proton", parodic "feature articles", short stories and parts of a serial." I will add the contents from Memory Beta.
In addition, it looks like Chapter 1 was reprinted in Star Trek: The Amazing Stories. Give me a few minutes to sort it out... Ahasuerus 04:13, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
OK, I think we are getting close. Captain Proton is now a sub-series under Star Trek: Voyager and a bunch of VTs and pseudonyms has been set up -- see Dean Wesley Smith's Summary page.
I suspect that the most logical way to handle "The Space Vortex of Doom" (Chapter 1) and "Death of the Patrol" (Chapter 2) would be to create a sub-series under "Captain Proton", but a sub-series without a book length title is relegated to the Short Fiction Series area, so it wouldn't appear with the rest of the Captain Proton titles. In addition, the two "chapters" have different titles, so making them SERIALs would be awkward. I have turned them into SHORTFICTION for now since I can't think of a better way to handle this peculiar case... Ahasuerus 05:04, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Amazing Stories, September 1928

I'm going to add Frank R. Paul as the cover artist to the September 1928 issue of Amazing Stories. You've already got a note attributing the cover artist as Paul, and he is further credited as the cover artist in this publication. I'll also note the additional source. I'm doing this so that I can link the interior art in the Korshak book to the cover record. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:01, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Amazing Stories, July 1981

I'm trying to determine if the Malzberg piece on page 4 of this issue was one of the pieces reprinted in The Engines of the Night. There's a notice on the copyright page that one or more pieces appeared in Amazing Stories and I've narrowed it down to this one, but there's no such title in the essay collection. Can you give me the first line or two of the essay so that I can compare it with any piece in the collection? No rush, just when you get a chance. Much appreciation. Mhhutchins 21:36, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

The article has a subheading "L'etat C'est Moi." First sentence, "In 1969, as the recently appointed and juvenescent (29 is not an age as the poet should have pointed out; it is a condition). . . . Last sentence, "How can you take it seriously anymore?" Hope this helps.--Rkihara 23:42, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
That was easy. It was reprinted as L'Etat C'est Moi. I'll create a variant. Thanks a lot. Mhhutchins 02:36, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Editor credits for Amazing/Fantastic from 8/65 - 11/67

Could you please join this discussion when you get a chance? Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:33, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Astounding Science-Fiction, February 1943

Just to let you know that I have turned "Probability Zero! (Astounding, February 1943)" in your verified Astounding Science-Fiction, February 1943 into a VT. As far as I know, Colin Keith was pseudonym that was only used by Malcolm Jameson. Ahasuerus 01:05, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Thrilling Wonder Stories, June 1950

A new editor has discovered that Arthur C. Clarke's "The Reversed Man" in this issue is a variant title of his 1946 story "Technical Error". This is confirmed by Miller/Contento. I'm going to accept his submission to variant the record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:02, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine, December 1987

As our one and only verifier of Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine, December 1987, could you please review this discussion? TIA! Ahasuerus 07:37, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Astounding Science Fiction, April 1945

While checking your verified pub Astounding Science Fiction, April 1945 I noticed that the author name of Destiny Times Three, Part 2, on page 141 is stated as Fritz Leiber, Jr., and not Fritz Leiber. Is it okay if I change this? Darkday 18:05, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

I see you've changed it already. Authors are entered as credited in the pub, in this case Fritz Leiber, Jr. You need to change it back, then make Fritz Leiber, Jr. a pseudonym for Fritz Leiber. The title will then appear in the pub as "Fritz Leiber as by Fritz Leiber, Jr.," and under the canonical name as "Fritz Leiber also as by Fritz Leiber, Jr."--Rkihara 22:49, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
There's some confusion here. Darkday wanted to change "Fritz Leiber" to "Fritz Leiber, Jr." The record as of now still shows "Fritz Leiber" so it is unchanged. Could you please double check, and also check the appearance of Part 1 in the previous month Astounding Science Fiction, March 1945. Thanks Kevin 03:41, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
In this case, I also might be confused, but this is already a (Part) Variant of Destiny Times Three so I'm thinking it should simply be changed, not made as another variant of a variant. But I'm not an expert at magazines and may be turned around, so I'll defer to you on the mechanics. Kevin 03:41, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
The author credit of the two magazine records (serials) should be changed to "Fritz Leiber, Jr.". It is unnecessary to create another variant (based on author), as it's already a variant (based on title). You can't create a variant of a variant. Well, you could but it would be an error, and show up on this list. Mhhutchins 03:53, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Hmmm, now I'm confused, unless you know something I don't, Darkday clearly stated that the serial was credited to Fritz Leiber, Jr., and that he wanted to change it to Fritz Leiber. In any case, parts 1 and 2 are credited to Fritz Leiber, Jr.--Rkihara 05:13, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I now understand that my initial comment can be read in two ways. What I meant was "I noticed that the author name of Destiny Times Three, Part 2, on page 141 is stated as Fritz Leiber, Jr. in the actual magazine, and not Fritz Leiber, as in the ISFDB record". I'm sorry for the confusion. I changed the author name and everything looks good now. Darkday 17:50, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Links

When adding external links (at least for the author's Wikipedia field, but I assume the software treats all external links the same), the "http://" needs to be included in the link. If not, the software treats it as a relative link and tries to display a non-existent page on the ISFDB. I've fixed a number of author Wikipedia links you recently added without the "http://" and should be able to get to the rest soon. I'll also make a feature request so that software handles these better (it would be nice if it auto handled it, but if that's to complicated at least a data entry validation check or clean-up script). Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:35, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I click in the address bar to select, then drag and drop to enter the links. Sometimes the selection is incomplete, but I usually catch those. The incomplete links slipped under my notice.--Rkihara 16:03, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Just noticed, the latest version of Firefox suppresses the "http://".--Rkihara 16:07, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
I knew that they were suppressing the display. It's too bad they chose to suppress it when copying and pasting. I would consider that a bug (especially given http vs. https). -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:35, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Google Chrome also doesn't give the "http://" in the browser's address window. I wish HTML didn't require it as well. What's the point? Are there any other protocols? :) Mhhutchins 16:30, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Chrome doesn't show it, but when you copy and paste an address, it includes the "http://". Yes, there are other protocols and while most of them aren't widely used, https is and sometimes websites don't handle it correctly if you try to access a https link from http. They should, but I've run into cases where they don't. That shouldn't matter too often though and I think it would be fine if our links defaulted to adding the http. I submitted a feature request. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:35, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
I recently added the check for cover-images that quote an ISFDB Wiki-Page rather than an ISFDB Uploaded Image, it should be trivial to build such a check in for Wikipedia links too. So long as you don't want it too fancy. e.g. insist on only valid or selected language Wikipedia sites, or allow multiple Wikipedia links. Will "must start with http or https" do for now? BLongley 18:06, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
While it would be nice to make it optional, adding such a check at least prevents the problem. However, it's not just Wikipedia links. I confirmed it's web page and IMDB links as well. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:04, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
IMDB link checks would be as simple as Wikipedia link checks. Actually, simpler, as there's only one IMDB isn't there? The first web page is easy to check too, and should be possible even when people enter several sites at once (which most people don't even know they can do). Not so easy to check whether they're actually to images, but I'm all for simple incremental improvements. (I think the backlog on software improvements is at least partly due to us having recently tackled big things like "language support" and "awards".) BLongley 00:00, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Analog Science Fiction and Fact, March 1991

Hello, I changed the type of this piece from poem to short fiction, hope it suits you. Hauck 14:07, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

In the Hall of the Martian Kings

I think there's an error in this. Surely there isn't an entire collection in the first few pages of a magazine? BLongley 01:59, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm afraid it's worse than that. Has someone merged the novella with the collection? See here. --Willem H. 08:23, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
I unmerged the title, checked all the publications and modified the collection. It should be back to normal now (I know the editions I own are). --Willem H. 19:54, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Don vs Dan White

Can you check if Don's credited as Don or Dan White here? The same story is credited to "Don White" in the UK version. Jonschaper 03:25, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! It's Don White. Corrected author and title.--Rkihara 04:27, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Partial Edits

Thanks for the direction per Mod noticeboard. Until I get more adept at this, that will be the way I go. Syzygy 23:36, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Michael Butterworth

I saw the notices you left on a couple of editors' pages concerning the author of the Hawklords series. According to this Wikipedia article, Michael Butterworth (1947) was the author of that series, the first book with Michael Moorcock, with whom he was associated in the late 60s British New Wave movement with works in the Moorcock-edited New Worlds. It is comic book writer Mike Butterworth who wrote The Trigan Empire along with the Space 1999 novelizations. His Wikpedia article is here. He's the (1924-1986) writer. Please recheck the Contemporary Authors entry to determine if they have a primary source. I've seen several wrongly attributed books perpetuated by CA's editors who aren't as diligent as they should be. I believe we should move these titles to Mike Butterworth (as variants) and return these titles to Michael Butterworth. If your research agrees with mine, I'll leave any changes to you. Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:32, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Can I disagree here? I have a book by Michael Butterworth, Queens of Deliria, where Michael (1947) is given as author of both the Hawkwind novels as the Space 1999 novelisations. Reginald3 and Clute/Nicholls back me up as well. --Dirk P Broer 09:30, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
You mean "Hawklords" novels. Mhhutchins 15:03, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
Ledge of Darkness is really advertised as being the third in the Hawkwind Trilogy in Queens of Deliria. --Dirk P Broer 15:24, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
Sic "Mike Butterworth (Michael Butterworth) (January 10, 1924 – October 4, 1986) was a British comic book writer, best known for his comic strip The Rise and Fall of the Trigan Empire in the British weeklies Ranger and Look and Learn. He is not related to the novelist Michael Butterworth, author of the Hawklords series and the Space: 1999 novelizations."
Thanks for the clarification. I misread the Wikipedia article concerning the Space 1999 novelizations (pretty late at night after a long weekend) and I've struck those parts in my original message. My main purpose here was to let Ron know that the Hawklords novels that he changed were by Michael Butterworth (1947) not Michael Butterworth (1924-1986). Mhhutchins 15:01, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
I have to confess to misreading the Wikipedia article too. I'm a speed reader and the faster I read, the more dyslexic the input. Anyway, the Bibliography in Contemporary Authors mixes titles from both of the Michael Butterworth's listed in the Wikipedia. There's also a second listing in CA that identifies him as a woman born in 1943 and in the same listing as 1924, so CA is probably unreliable in regards to Butterworth. There are no primary sources listed by either CA or the Wikipedia, so until I know better, I'll revert my changes and leave Butterworth alone for now.--Rkihara 17:34, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
You might mail him, he can be reached at Savoy Books or at michaelbutterworthbooks@googlemail.com Bet he can laugh about the mix-up of Butterworths as well. --Dirk P Broer 20:10, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! I sent an email this morning.--Rkihara 17:44, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
I just received a response from Michael Butterworth who tells me that our present bibliography is correct, but incomplete. He also offered to provide input on the missing items. I am forwarding a copy of our correspondence on the mod list.--Rkihara 05:22, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
Ah, direct communication! Whatever happened to that? We used to talk person to person before this new-fangled internet stuff... ;-) BLongley 17:00, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Astounding (UK)

I have a submission on hold from a new editor [Malcolmf]. An edition not yet in the grid for the UK editions of Astounding. I don't do magazines and am not sure how to coach him on this. Also he did the submission from scratch so if accepted as-is will require at least 30 merges for contents. I think he needs to start again and then import the contents [if he clones the US issue it would need some unmerging and then get placed into the UK grid - I think???]. Could you have a look, please? Thanks! --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:37, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Starting over is probably the easiest way to deal with it. I've only entered a few new editions into the grids, and I've forgotten how to do that, though it was easy enough. I'll enter it if I can figure it out how to do it again, or ask someone who is doing it on a regular basis. I'll leave a note on Malcolmf's page.--Rkihara 00:15, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Issues are added to the grid when you update the editor record generated by the submission by entering the series name under which the magazine was entered, in this case "Astounding/Analog (UK)". But as I mentioned on the editor's page, it would be better to reject the current submission, and create a stub record containing only the header information, no contents. Then import the contents from the corresponding US issue. After that's accepted, the editor can then add or remove content records to match his issue. This avoids many submissions to merge the content record. Mhhutchins 02:02, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
I see someone's already created a stub record. But I don't understand how we wound up with three editor records for the same issue! (Look at JWC,Jr's page.) Two are empty, so they can be either deleted or merged. Once that's done update the last editor record with the series data. Then it will be on the grid. Mhhutchins 02:07, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
I made the stub, and maybe I created the extra editor records when I was trying to recall how to handle this. I managed the link Malcolmf's contribution to the proper grid entry, so that's taken care of.--Rkihara 02:52, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
And now there's all that merging.... I wonder if it would be easier to just delete the entire contents and then import from the US issue? --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:04, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
How did those new content records get into the pub record? The original submission is still in the queue. Now that they're there, it wouldn't do any good to remove them. You'd have to merge them anyway. Or delete each one after you've removed it from the record. And it's still not in the grid. I'm talking about the database grid, not the useless and unnecessary Wiki grid. Mhhutchins 03:14, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
I added a tag to the submission to get the submission into the Wiki grid. The database grid didn't exist the last time I did this and it's only partially implemented. I don't know how to work the database grid, so what do you suggest I do? --Rkihara 03:26, 24 January 2012 (UTC)


Now there are four editor records! As I said above: edit this editor record by placing it into the series for the magazine, in this case enter "Astounding/Analog (UK)" (without the quotes) into the series field. Then merge it with this editor record (the one for 1954). Mhhutchins 04:14, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Michael's right, it is far easier to clone a US Magazine to a UK one (if you know how to work around the software ban on cloning a magazine - change it to an Anthology, clone it, fix the original and the clone back to Magazine, adjust for differences) or, much safer, create a stub and Import contents from the nearest US equivalent. BLongley 03:59, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
The clone-work-around is too complicated. Just import the contents from the more complete pub. But it's beyond that point now. There are already contents in the record. Someone will have to merge all of them. Next time use the method I've been talking about: 1) create a stub record without contents, 2) import the contents from the more complete record, 3) add or remove contents to match the issue you're working with. It's too late to do that now. Mhhutchins 04:14, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Agreed: as I said, it's much safer to create a stub and Import contents. (I know export is another option but I really think that's one of our least used features and nobody would miss it.) Sometimes I give too many alternatives. :-/ BLongley 04:51, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
I'm not so sure that Michael's right about "useless and unnecessary Wiki grid" - yes, Ahasuerus has made it much easier to allow the software to generate the database grid, but that is not perfect (look at any weekly, fortnightly or quarterly magazines) and likely never will be (it's not just "Fall" versus "Autumn" but those pesky Antipodeans can't even agree on which season is in the middle of a calendar year!) But I'd recommend letting the software do most of the work, and only maintaining the Wiki version when the software goes "Huh?" BLongley 03:59, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
As the French say "les goûts et les couleurs..." Mhhutchins 04:14, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
I thought you didn't do French stuff, Michael? :-0
I had to Google the translation myself. It has fewer "U"s in English, probably even fewer in American. ;-) BLongley 05:02, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

I didn't realise I'd start such a fuss. But thanks, all of you for advice on workaround for cloning! Rkihara, if you can edit the grid, it will make my task simpler. I have to hand the following issues of UK Astounding that aren't already in the database: 

1953: Nov
1954: Jun Aug Oct Dec
1955: Apr Sep Nov Dec
1956: Feb Mar Jun Aug Sep Dec
1957: May
1958: Jul Aug Sep Dec
1959: Jan Oct
1960: Mar Apr Jun
1961: Jan Feb Mar Apr Jul Dec

The grid stops at 1961: I also have most of 1962 and about half of 1963 for Analog: these are definitely a UK edition (priced 2/6!) I have two or three pre-1953 Astounding issues somewhere that I think are the UK edition as well. You can see why I need to import content from the US edition. Malcolmf 09:43, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Actually I caused most of the fuss. I pretty much stopped entering magazines a couple of years ago and the ISFDB has moved on since. The database grid, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?28873, is more complete. The links under "Magazines" lead to the Wiki grid, which is being phased out. The easiest way I know of to reach the database grid is by opening the listing for a magazine, then clicking the link to the issue grid at the top. Let me know if you're successful at creating the stubs.--Rkihara 17:33, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Don't worry, we're used to people coming in here and throwing all our misconceptions aside! We're trying to expand our remit from the US origins - even English English seems unappreciated or misunderstood at times. :-/ I for one would welcome more comparisons of the UK reprints of US magazines (or vice versa). Some scholar might be able to use us to figure out whether such was down to copyright reasons, censorship due to cultural differences, or exchange rates, or alignments of the planets, or the death of John Campbell's favourite cat, or some other arcane reason. BLongley 09:52, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Ah, I think I see how the import/export works. I've made a stub, when/if it gets approved, I'll see how well it works. And, to complicate matters, I also have a stack of Galaxy magazines from the 1950s that seem to be a UK edition. Examining a random sample issue, "No 22", the nearest match is US edition August 1954: pagination is different to the US version, cover layout is slightly different with a UK price (same picture), UK adverts, and one story less than the US issue. (Cogswell's "Invasion Report" is missing) So I might need to submit these as well. But that can wait until I've put in the astoundings and analogs Malcolmf 10:41, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
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