User talk:Vasha77/Archive/January 2017 to July 2017

Apex #12

Hello, not sure if you are still monitoring your request but I found my magazine :) Annie 01:27, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Excellent! I am updating the information now. --Vasha 01:35, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Altering verified publications

Hi. When you make substantive changes to primary-verified publications, ISFDB etiquette is to check with the primary verifier(s) before making the change. The combination of changing the title to incorporate the subtitle and revising the notes for Five Weeks in a Balloon is substantial enough that you should notify the verifier of your intended changes. The subtitle is covered in the original notes, and it's possible that the verifier is no longer active, but you should try. I will accept the submission if nothing happens (or if he responds and agrees, of course!). Thanks. --MartyD 12:06, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Submission of additional contents for La loterie

Hi. About your submission of additional contents for La loterie that I have on hold: My understanding of ISFDB policy with regard to non-genre works is that we only include book-length works. I added a note to the Community Portal discussion about that. I don't know anything about the titles in your submission, but your note to the moderator says non-genre titles should be indexed per that discussion, so I assume the these titles are in fact non-genre? If that's true, I believe they should not go in. But I don't want to lose your work without giving you a chance to make a further case that we should indeed index them. And if they're in fact genre titles despite the note, of course they should go in. Let me know what you think and what you would like to do. Thanks. --MartyD 12:37, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Someone pointed out that if the book itself is in, the author's works in it should be in if some of them are in. So I did accept this submission. Sorry about the delay. --MartyD 11:58, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Strange Divisions and Alien Territories: The Sub-Genres of Science Fiction

Hello, when adding contents to a PVed publication like you did for this one that I own, please check the matter with the PV(s) first, it's not only a question of etiquette but also a sound biliographical practice. In this case you enter a ESSAY with a wrong title and so degraded the quality of the db. Please avoid such "savage" updates in the future. Note that the same advice has been given to you just above. Hauck 13:37, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

-- Yes, thank you. I didn't notice that was verified. Sorry. I will be more careful. --Vasha 15:16, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Story Mawimbi Ya Mwisho

As all other items in the 'home' anthology seem to be in English, why should this be in Swahili? If only of the title: this could be misleading. Stonecreek 19:20, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

It really is in Swahili, yes-- for some reason, the editors decided to include a translation of one of the English-language stories. After all, the book was published in Kenya! Why not include a nod to the other chief language of the country? --Vasha 19:23, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

microtherapy

Hello! The titles microtherapy and microterapia are both in English, but one is stated as translated! Please take a look at it! Christian Stonecreek

In fact there is a submission in the queue for changing microterapia to Spanish -- likewise for all the other Spanish-language content items in that magazine, --Vasha 08:12, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Changes to a Verified Pub

You notified me in error about changes to a verified pub. The verifier was Hauck.--Rkihara 17:10, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Normalizing titles

Just as we normalize author names (JL Stevens -> J. L. Stevens) we also normalize titles (see the help pages). Therefore I rejected your change submissions. Unless they are abbreviations they are quite regular English words. Else we would have tons of titles that are spelled 'STAR TREK: xxx' instead of 'Star Trek: xxx' or 'PERRY RHODAN: xxx' instead of 'Perry Rhodan: xxx'. Thanks, Christian Stonecreek 18:37, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Terra Nova: An Anthology of Spanish Science Fiction

I rejected your edit to update the authors of Terra Nova from Luis Pestarini and Mariano Villarreal to "Mariano Villarrea + "l". It looks like an typo but I am not sure of your intentions, as I know you've been working on this publication today – please resubmit the edit! Thanks. PeteYoung 22:24, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks -- should have deleted Pestarini entirely. He co-edited the Spanish-language edition but not the rather different English one. I will resubmit. --Vasha 22:32, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Language check

Hello,

Can you confirm that El siglo de Borges. Homenaje a Jorge Luis Borges en su Centenario. Vol. I: Retrospectiva - Presente - Futuro really contained essays in different languages? If so, maybe a publication note is in order? Thanks! Annie 21:23, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, it contains papers in several languages. I've added a note. --Vasha 21:26, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I will add it to the ignore list for today :) Annie 21:27, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Litmash

Do you have any evidence that this item by Lauren Beukes really was published in 2012 (and not only 'created')? Stonecreek 07:41, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

They are on the author's blog here and in the book, the story is marked "©2012". If the publisher thinks that online publication is enough to establish copyright...? --Vasha 13:18, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

But we do not use copyrights as evidence of publishing or when determining the dates and authors... Annie 18:28, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

I know, but I was just adducing that as additional evidence of people who think the story was published in 2012. The problem is, that it isn't exactly in the same "form" as what appeared online. That was a series of tweets and two blog posts containing a bunch of the mashup stories. In the book, some of those stories are selected. I think I am about to change my mind and say that what appears in the 2016 collection is a new item that should be considered published there for the first time... --Vasha 18:49, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

My 2 cents - I would put the date as 2016 and add a note explaining that it was published in a different form in 2012 and the details. :) Annie 18:54, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

I think you are right. --Vasha 18:56, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Editors Series

Hello, there are close to thirty issues of Tor.com (for the end of 2016) that weren't put into a series (so they appear on our clenup report and are not placed in the grid and wrongly located on the editor's page). As it seems that you entered them, please attend to the matter (note that there is the same problem with some issues of Shimmer). Thanks. Hauck 07:37, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, will do. --Vasha 16:54, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

December 2016 Tor.com pub deletions

Hi. For the two proposed December 2016 pub deletions that I have on hold, I can't find the pubs for which they're supposed to be duplicates. I only see one of each. I freely admit I'm probably missing something. Thanks. --MartyD 02:50, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

December 7, December 14. I added the full, fiction+nonfiction issues and then noticed that someone had added the fiction already. I am merging titles for the fiction and deleting the superfluous issue publications. --Vasha 02:54, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

A couple of submission questions

A couple of questions for you:

• For the submission I have on hold, is the source of the data Amazon or something else? Your submission of another edition of that title had you as transient primary, but this one did not and had no note as to source.

Yes, this one's from Amazon -- I'll add a note to that effect as soon as you approve it. --Vasha 03:10, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Great, thanks. --MartyD 04:05, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

• I accepted this but is the "(October 2016)" part of the actual title or were you adding it as a disambiguator? If the latter, you should include the entire pub name: "(Mothership Zeta, October 2016)".

"The Story Doctor Is (In)" is the name of a column that Kelly writes in every issue of Mothership Zeta, so I used the date as disambiguator. Is it standard practice to include the periodical name although that goes without saying for this column? --Vasha 03:10, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, it's a sort of specialized case of "Standard" titles (the very last bullet in this list). We always use the container title or a variation of it. Sometimes if the name contains both an issue number and date, we omit the date portion. --MartyD 04:05, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. --MartyD 03:05, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Transcendent submissions

There was a problem with a couple of your submissions involving Transcendent and its contents. Titles involved in the submissions were no longer present (probably deleted by some other submission's acceptance), and I was forced to "hard-reject" them. You should check that pub to see if everything is the way you wanted it to be. --MartyD 03:48, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

"Than"

"Than" is another good one for the should-not-be-capitalized list... :-) --MartyD 12:11, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Capitalization changes for pub titles

When you change the capitalization of a "container" title record -- NOVEL, NONFICTION, COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY, OMNIBUS, EDITOR -- there is another copy of (usually) that same text in the publication record. A compact display of the text used for each publication is seen in the list of publications when you view the title record. Editing the title record does not automatically change the title text for the publication record(s). Any that do not conform need separate, additional edits. I have been trying to do these as I notice them while processing your submissions, but you might want to incorporate searching for publication titles into whatever process you are using to find the title records you are changing. In Advanced Search, you can use the "Publication Search" section at the bottom to find publications by their title text. --MartyD 14:59, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Correct... I first went through all the titles and then all the pubs. You'll get to my publication submissions eventually! No need to do them yourself. Thanks for all the work.

It's difficult for moderators to tell the difference between situations where an editor hasn't gotten to the additional edits yet and the lack of additional edits is an oversight. I don't have much in the way of good suggestions. Some editors will include a brief note to the moderator about related edits (e.g., "pub edits to come"), although that's even more typing.... My concern wasn't saving myself work, but rather making sure you knew of the duplication and the need for multiple edits. You do know, so I am happy. --MartyD 16:31, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Sometime next week I hope to get to the library and put together a proposal for a comprehensive guide to English capitalization. There's a lot of complications to it; a list of words (even a more complete list than the current one) isn't enough. --Vasha 15:09, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

I look forward to it! One suggestion: Try to find an authoritative, semi-public standard for us to follow. Having our own only makes it certain that no one will know what to do without "training". --MartyD 16:31, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes... my thought exactly. Personally I prefer the Chicago Manual of Style, but I will find a couple of others to choose from too. --Vasha 16:33, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

September 2016 Nightmare

I accepted your Nightmare Magazine, September 2016, but it has the June cover. Looks like the contents are ok (different from the June 2016 issue's anyway). --MartyD 16:21, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Lightspeed / Empire Star

I've put your edit on hold because I'm curious as to a) why Delany's Empire Star has a SERIAL listing in Lightspeed: Peope of Colo(u)r Destroy Science Fiction!, and b) why you want to variant it to the actual novel – wouldn't it be easier to just import the novel record, or is the title actually appended with "(complete novel)" in the publication? Forgive me but it just looks odd, particularly as a SERIAL. PeteYoung 18:49, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Am I misunderstanding the standard procedure? I thought that when a NOVEL appeared in a periodical issue, it was supposed to be entered as a SERIAL with (complete novel) instead of part X of y. --Vasha 19:22, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, using the example of Beyond This Horizon in the NewPub Help, as it appears in this example, your edit is technically correct. My apologies, and I'll approve the edit. PeteYoung 20:41, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Omenana 2016

Something strange happened here. You changed the title FROM Omenana - 2016 to Omenana, #6 but then you merged in the other two 2016 issues. I suspect you want Omemana - 2016 instead. --MartyD 12:26, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Fantastic Stories of the Imagination title date portions

I noticed while handling some submissions that the various Fantastic Stories of the Imagination have an odd date format of MON1/MON2 YYYY. For magazine titles, we normally prefer full month names, and for issues spanning more than one month, we try to go with the magazine's format (see the "Magazine" and especially the "Missing or Variant Dates" bullets in Help:Screen:EditPub#Title). It looks like on the cover they use MONTH1-MONTH2 YYYY. I went to the publisher's website, and I see the same thing there. For example, we have #234 using "May/Jun 2016" (slash and three-letter abbreviation), but the cover and website use "May-June 2016" (hyphen and full name). --MartyD 21:06, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

No problem, I will change that. --Vasha 21:09, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

FYI, I approved [your submission for the July/Aug 2016 issue http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?3311118], but it looks lie you had accidentally pasted the image URL into the pages field. I went in and corrected it after the approval, but please double check that it looks correct. Thanks, Albinoflea 03:46, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Liminal Stories, #1

I've approved [this submission http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?603427] but I believe you incorrectly listed the INTERIORART entries as SHORTFICTION in error. Albinoflea 03:55, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Yep, I just fixed that. --Vasha 03:55, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, all approved. Albinoflea 04:09, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Additions/changes to The Cold Eye

Hi, I have made some additions & a minor change to The Cold Eye. The change is that I added the map to the Contents. I also verified it is the same as the one in the hardcover version of Silver on the Road. The additions are all the Notes (except for the part about the map). BungalowBarbara 23:16, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Looks good. I admire your thoroughness. --Vasha 00:19, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Hawai`i

Hi. I have changed a couple of your author birth place submissions to use "Hawaii" instead of "Hawai`i" for the U.S. state name. I was able to find an explanation here. It seems the official U.S. English spelling of the state name is "Hawaii" until legislative action is taken on it. If and when that happens, I suppose what we will have to do with the author records will depend on whether it's officially treated as a correction or as a name change. If the former, we might change them all; if the latter, the name used would depend on when the person was born there (sort of like country names). The island, though, should be spelled "Hawai`i".

As a practical matter, I think "Hawaii" for the state is best anyway. Anyone knowing to spell it "Hawai`i" will know to search for "Hawaii", but people looking for "Hawaii" may not know to search for "Hawai`i". --MartyD 04:31, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Sentences in titles

In "What? And Leave Show Business?", I would leave the "And" capitalized, as it is the start of a sentence (granted, it is a "sentence" that would make an English teacher cringe). I think the current rules do not anticipate multi-sentence titles, rather than intending that certain first words in interior sentences not be capitalized. Does that sound reasonable? --MartyD 11:37, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

That's debatable whether it's two sentences... the "what" is an interjection, and similar sentences are sometimes written "What, and leave show business?" I was decapitalizing the "and" on that assumption. But you are right, the way I had it would probably startle people and it'll look better with a capital letter. Thanks for the second thoughts. --Vasha 13:39, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Love Beyond Body, Space & Time

You are correct about the Dillon essay title discrepancy; will submit an update. There is no printed indication of a more specific publication date anywhere I can find in the book. Wollman 06:02, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Lontar

Am I correct in recalling that you entered the ebooks for Lontar #6 and #7 into the database a few weeks ago? (they're still unverified). I've made a change to the ISBN for the ebook of #6, which previously had the ISBN for the paper edition. The two ISBNs can be found in the free sample. I've since added verified records for all paper copies except #7 (which I expect I will buy next month) and grouped all issues by year. And if it wasn't you who added them, sorry for troubling you here! PeteYoung 00:09, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

It was indeed me-- thanks for doing that work. I didn't verify them, just entered the table of contents from the website, so your going through each issue will improve things a lot. --Vasha 02:21, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

I've just had a chat with Jason and he reckons that Kristine and Adan should be credited as co-editors. I'll sort it today. Cheers. PeteYoung 05:40, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Phantoms publication type

Hi. About the changes you submitted for Phantoms: This is fuzzy and somewhat subjective, but the OMNIBUS type is meant for publications that bring together multiple works published in their own right previously. The help qualifies this with one of the collected items must be a NOVEL, but in practice it's anything where two or more of the items collected have been published as book-length "works" in their own right. So, for example, a collecting of two COLLECTIONs published previously would be an OMNIBUS despite the lack of a NOVEL.

A book collecting a previously-published novel and a random assortment of SHORTFICTION is normally treated as a COLLECTION, rather than as an OMNIBUS. See the OMNIBUS bullet of Help:Screen:EditPub#Pub_Type and its specific example The Past Through Tomorrow. So this is all a long-winded way of asking whether the contents of Phantom represents two or more collected publications (warranting the change to OMNIBUS) or if it's like the Heinlein example and should remain COLLECTION. Thanks. --MartyD 13:06, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying that! Yes, I certainly think Phantoms is more like a collection. Will cancel the edit. --Vasha 17:33, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Ok, and sorry, I didn't mean for you to cancel the edit (I would have accepted it and changed the type back so as not to lose everything else you did). --MartyD 01:26, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

"The Conjure Woman", by Charles Chesnutt

You verified this publication, as containing a story titled "The Conjuror's Revenge". Every version of that book that I can find with a table of contents spells that title "The Conjurer's Revenge", so I assume that was true of your edition as well, and I've corrected the spelling. (If I'm in error, then you'll need to unmerge that version of the short story and variant it to the correct spelling.) Chavey 01:45, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

You are correct-- good catch. --Vasha 01:49, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Publication dates for broadcasts ...

... are not what they seem (at least for us). We define publications only as printed ones, so I have set the date to 2016 for C. S. Fuqua's The Addict. Thanks, Christian Stonecreek 19:41, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

A side thought: Is this a radio play? Stonecreek 19:46, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

But audiobooks and podcasts are permitted... Why not broadcasts? --Vasha 19:48, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

N/A Marked Primary Verifications

In the following pub, you have marked a primary verification slot as N/A:

• 184861 - Primary1

I assume you meant to mark verified. It would be appreciated if you updated this. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 03:12, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Done. --Vasha 03:29, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Rob[ert] Clarke

Hi. I have a couple of your submissions involving Robert and Rob Clarke on hold for a different reason, but I do have a question about what you're trying to do. We don't have chained pseudonym relationships (A pseudonym of B pseudonym of C -- we'd do A pseudonym of C and B pseudonym of C instead). So if Robert Clarke and Rob Clarke are the same person, and both are really Charles Platt, then we'd make Rob Clarke an additional pseudonym of Charles Platt, and everything credited to either Robert Clarke or Rob Clarke a variant of something credited to Charles Platt. If there's a Robert Clarke / Rob Clarke who is not Charles Platt, then we'd need to set up another Robert Clarke, disambiguated from the one that's Platt. --MartyD 23:34, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

OK; the situation is that there is a Charles Platt, who used the pseudonym Robert Clarke once; a Robert Clarke (I), who is a different guy; and a third guy, who mostly goes by Rob Clarke but used Robert Clarke once. Can you go ahead and set up the pseudonyms and disambiguations correctly? "The Day the Leash Gave Way" is by Rob Clarke and Less Than Human is by Charles Platt. --Vasha 23:59, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Got it. Seems like numbers all around is in order. I'll take care of it. --MartyD 00:53, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

All done. See if the results look right to you. --MartyD 00:59, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

"Liaden Currency and Time" in Balance of Trade

Hi. Please get the primary verifier to agree with your proposed reclassification of "Liaden Currency and Time" to ESSAY. Thanks. --MartyD 11:48, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

"The Oak [at|and] the Pond" change

I am sure your change is correct, but if you're making a substantive change that affects a verified pub, you need to notify the verifier. Changing/correcting the words of a title in the contents is such a change. Thanks. --MartyD 04:21, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

OK, I was discussing this with Susan but I think I forgot to mention this particular change. Thanks for the reminder. --Vasha 04:23, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

The good news is she's both active and agreeable. Thanks. --MartyD 11:21, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Capitalism in the 22nd Century...

Hi. In the submission I have on hold, is the "A.I.R." -> "A.I.r." change deliberate or a typo? If it's deliberate, what is your source? The Look Inside shows "A.I.R." in the TOC (but no title page, unfortunately). Thanks. --MartyD 02:40, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Well... the other variant is A.I.r and I know that's correct. But you're right, I was just assuming that it was that way in the current book. I will cancel the edit -- someone who has a copy of the book can correct it (or not). --Vasha 02:43, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Capitalization battles

I decided to raise the issue of the capitalization of "a.m." and "p.m.". I will probably regret it, but we'll see. --MartyD 12:02, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Uh, yeah, that's one of those undecidables. I don't actually care one way or another. But the capitalized version seems (at a glance) to be in the majority here, and I think that's the commonest practice in the U.S. --Vasha 12:22, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Los mejores relatos fantásticos de habla hispana

Hello Vasha77. I have normalized the pub series (Serie Roja to Juvenil - Serie Roja) of your verified. Thanks, Linguist 11:53, 4 March 2017 (UTC).

Monsters Among Us

I have you addition of Monsters Among Us on hold. This is a non-genre, nonfiction book by an author below the threshold. Am I missing something? -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:56, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I was kind of unsure whether it was genre or not. I know that "real" cryptozoology books are not within the purview of this database, but since it's reviewed in a genre magazine and (according to its description) talks at least somewhat about pop culture of cryptids, could it be included...? --Vasha 20:59, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Put a post on Community Portal and see what the general consensus it. -- JLaTondre (talk) 21:34, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Oh, what the heck, leave it out. It's not like there's a lack of cryptozoology books out there, and I don't want to be worrying about which ones to include; plus Sawicki's reviews do tend to stray outside the bounds of this database anyway. --Vasha 21:42, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Dead But Not Forgotten

I've rejected several edits that changed the word "But" to "but" for publications of the title Dead But Not Forgotten. As per the Help for Titles, 'But' is not a word that needs decapitalizing. Thanks. PeteYoung 02:09, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

OK, no problem. I am going to bring up the issue of updating capitalization standards but not until the two dozen other current discussions die down. --Vasha 02:13, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

The Book Smugglers' Quarterly Almanac, January 2017

I think you submitted the January 2017 issue twice, with slightly different information. I accepted this but had to add a missing '9' to the beginning of its ISBN. But now I have found another submission for it. The information it contains looks the same to me as what was in the first submission (other than the fact that this one has the full ISBN), but I have left it on hold in case I am missing something or in case you want to check the submission's data against the entry that went through. Thanks. --MartyD 13:05, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

I believe the only thing I corrected in the 2nd submission was the ISBN. Sorry about that. --Vasha 13:37, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Clarksworld 125 covers

Hi. I am not familiar with what we're doing with the two series and different titles for pint and ebook Clarksworld, but where the pubs have different titles, the covers should retain that differing wording. So instead of merging them (which loses one of the wordings), one should be made a variant of the other. Thanks. --MartyD 01:23, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

OK, whatever. The situation with art titles is utterly nonsensical anyhow. (IMHO). Thanks for fixing my mistake. --Vasha 01:29, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

No argument here! --MartyD 02:35, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Magazine issue numbers and the grid

It's counter-intuitive, but if you put a comma before the issue number in the magazine title, then the issue number will appear in the grid. The grid display logic looks for the first comma from the left. So Diabolical Plots #23, January 2017 shows up as just "January" in the grid, while Diabolical Plots, #23, January 2017 would show up as "#23, January" or Diabolical Plots, #23 January 2017 would show up as "#23 January". You don't need to do anything with this information -- I'm just letting you know how it works in case you want the display to be different. --MartyD 02:00, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

The Man from Maybe - Title change

Hi, If and when you change some other person's primary verification, would it be a big troubles as to state WHAT exactly is changed? And, NO, I can't trace that afterwards. If there was a button 'reverse' I'd be tempted to use it here.--Dirk P Broer 00:51, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

I am very sorry. I only changed the capitalization of the "from". Various people have told me that they don't want to be notified about changes to capitalization, and I didn't remember that you weren't one of the people I'd asked. I will remember in future that you do want to be notified about capitalization -- would a daily summary post be sufficient? --Vasha 00:55, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

The trouble is I can't see what you changed. When you'd had left a note that you changed the capitalization, it would be fine by me. Now I had no clue.--Dirk P Broer 01:06, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes, the no-content nature of notifications is annoying, to say the least. Really a pity this DB doesn't have history like a wiki. Anyhow, on days when I do a big batch of capitalization fixes you can expect to get a note that I changed some things but I might not be very exact about which ones -- I often do 300 minor corrections at a time. --Vasha 01:09, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

The notifications itself are even worse. It takes me about five minutes to find the actual edit in 'recent edits', but as it has already been processed it does not tell what is changed into what.--Dirk P Broer 02:20, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Yep. Sorry to have contributed to your annoyance. --Vasha 02:23, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

I am officially absent-minded

I managed to forget that I was supposed to be coming up with a wiki page for the magazines grid - I just saw you started the one on your page and remembered. Sorry :( I like your interface though - although it probably need to go somewhere on a common page so other people can chime in in the long term :) Annie 23:21, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Oh yes, I do intend to put it on a public page once I finish creating and proofreading it. How do you like this design for usability -- the idea is that existing issues go in the grid in black text, with a background of medium brown if they're completely done, light brown if there's still some missing information, no background if a record hasn't even been created yet. Forthcoming issues are in grey. I put a link to the magazine web page on the next issue to be added. That way, on April 30 or so, you run your eye down the April column and click on the links. If a new issue has appeared during April (you last checked on March 30) then you add it to the database, shift the link to the next forthcoming issue, and you're done. If no issue, then you erase it from the grid, create a new forthcoming for the next month, link that, and done. --Vasha 23:34, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

It will work for the ones that are somewhat regular. Others ("On Spec" for example - you can add this in the list and mark the March issue as fully indexed and what's not :) ) seems to have a "new issue when we feel like it" schedule despite officially having something of a schedule. I suspect these will need a check monthly... Annie 23:49, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Good to know... Although On Spec calls itself a quarterly, I'll put its schedule down as "uncertain", indicate a next check in June, and not try to predict further into the future than that! --Vasha 23:53, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

They managed 2 last year and 2 in 2015. Technically they are quarterly but these days this is more a wishful thinking than reality. However - as I am subscribing to them, chances are, I will have the issue in as soon as it makes the trek from Canada to Arizona - if someone does not beat me to it anyway. :) Annie 23:57, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

The Wind in the Willows

Hi, I've changed the page count again (to 205+[3]) according to the note you supplied: unpaginated extra pages at the end of a publication are stated with []. Thanks, Christian Stonecreek 04:42, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Favorite Stories of Hypnotism

Wouldn't this book be an ANTHOLOGY as opposed to a COLLECTION? Ahasuerus 16:47, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Oops! Thanks for noticing that slip. --Vasha 16:49, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Spiders have a saying: "Eight eyes are better than two!" :-) Ahasuerus 16:51, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

More magazines :)

Hello again,

We are missing Smith's Monthly. :) It does need an overall overhaul (because the yearly series are done based on Amazon dates and not cover date) but once that is done, it should start falling in place as well for the list. Also Weirdbook. Do you want me to let you know when I find more missing or just to add them? Annie 23:10, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Weirdbook is in there already. I will add Smith's right away-- thanks! I just now added Strange Aeons. --Vasha 23:18, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Weirdbook: My eyes scrolled through a screen and for some reason my mind decided that it is not next to "The White Notebooks", it is not there. My bad :) Annie 23:28, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

It seems that Dean Wesley Smith hasn't published an issue of his monthly since last October, so I will wait and see before adding it to the table. --Vasha 23:31, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

He is running a few months behind again (cover dates to availability dates). I am keeping an eye on it - will let you know when he gets the January one out (probably in May the way things look like - that is when it showed up for 2016). It is the reverse situation compared to the usual case where a magazine is running a few months ahead of its publishing date. :) Annie 23:42, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

OK then, added and noted. --Vasha 23:52, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

One more: Cirsova. Issue #5 is expected in March. It eas pretty regular last year so no reason to think it won't be this year again. Annie 20:03, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

To be honest, that one's not on the list on purpose, since it falls into the "wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole" category. Didn't you notice that their front page carries a Confederate flag in the colors of Gamergate? I'm not risking having unsuspecting users of the tracker clicking on a link to a hate site that they weren't expecting. --Vasha 20:30, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. Makes sense. As much as I do not like the whole idea, it is still a magazine. It's fine to leave it out though. Annie 20:41, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Yep; someone who knows what to expect can catalogue it, but it doesn't need to be in the tracker. --Vasha 20:47, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Well... I can argue that as a bibliographical site we should not be taking sides. :) But I understand where you are coming from. If it does not come up elsewhere, we will ignore it. But if Dozois lists it in his Best of this year as a viable magazine, we should add it I think -- maybe with a note that the site is not linked due to its provenance. Or something. Annie 21:32, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

I think you are confusing this tracker, which is just a very informal resource, with the database, where the magazine should definitely be. I think it would be more user-friendly (for the reasons I've said) to leave this magazine out of the informal editing resources. --Vasha 21:34, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I am not. I think you are underestimating how good the tracker is and how useful it may become long term - considering that such other tracker does not exist. Things tend to grow out from initial small plans (and that one is not even a small one) - so I was just saying. Let's see how things go :) Annie 21:37, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

OK! The subject may come up again.... --Vasha 21:45, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Chronicles of the Mutant Rain Forest

Your submission of Chronicles of the Mutant Rain Forest, which I have on hold, appears to duplicate this. I do not want to lose your work, so I plan to accept your submission and merge the two entries. But I have to go to work now and will not have time until tonight (+13 or so hours). I don't need you to do anything -- it's on hold for my own work management purposes. Thanks. --MartyD 11:46, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Ah, I missed seeing that because it has no ISBN and no contents. Well, no hurry. There isn't anything in the old publication record that I didn't put in mine, so once you merge the titles you can delete the older pub. --Vasha 12:45, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

There are two 1992 "Holos at an Exhibition of the Mutant Rain Forest": a poem and a novelette. I did not merge them because I did not know which type to keep. Would you take a look? Thanks. --MartyD 01:27, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

According to the Locus index, the poem is an excerpt from the novelette. The entire bibliography of this series is quite confusing, so I wrote to Bruce Boston yesterday for clarification. Hopefully he will reply. --Vasha 01:30, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Variant of Nothing?

I don't get it? I'm going to pass them through since it doesn't hurt anything.--Rkihara 00:25, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

That means that I removed a variant relationship which was previously there (I did that because I'm in the process of changing the author's canonical name). --Vasha 00:27, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

The Star of the Sea

Hi your submission to update the publisher was Abaddon Books to Abaddon Books did you mean Solaris? Thanks!Kraang 00:27, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Um, I don't know what that was about. Must have clicked the wrong page or something. I will cancel it. --Vasha 00:36, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

OK!Kraang 00:37, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Actually -- the reason for that odd situation is that I notified a primary verifier that I was going to change it, and they went and fixed it, and their submission was approved before you saw mine. --Vasha 00:38, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

So the correct publisher is Abaddon Books. OK! Amazon indicates Solaris.Kraang 00:53, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes, it's this one. --Vasha 01:04, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Poem titles

I don't know how well it is documented, but our practice is to use the first line, or a portion thereof, in quotes, for otherwise untitled poems. So what you did with the Grievous Angel entries looks good to me. --MartyD 18:31, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Publisher updates

I am finding many submissions in the queue whose sole modification is changing the publisher to the same value it already is. I am placing them on hold as I run into them so you can see what I am taliking about. What are you doing with them? I can accept them -- there's no harm, since the data will not change -- or you can cancel if I am not missing something. Thanks. --MartyD 18:43, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Never mind. I see you were probably removing LLC, but Hauck processed your rename request in parallel. Renaming the publishers is a lot less work than changing the publisher credit on each pub. I will accept the submissions (easier than cancel/reject). --MartyD 18:58, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Strange Horizons 13 March 2017 reviews

I'm sorry, but I have to go to work and do not have time to deal with the review linkings in Strange Horizons, 13 March 2017 that I just accepted. --MartyD 11:52, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

They are all linked now. (And I varianted the serial in that issue too.) --Vasha 15:56, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

A Capella

Hi, I normalized the titles for this publications / magazines, as they should be no exception to that rule: we wouldn't record "Analog" as "ANALOG" or "analog" even if it did occur. Thanks, Christian Stonecreek 07:23, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

part one of Atomic Summer

Is part one of Atomic Summer the actual title? And is it a distinct story or a serial per the title? -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:58, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

The story in the magazine (actual story, not table of contents) is headed "part one of Atomic Summer" (with that capitalization). It is an excerpt. --Vasha 19:01, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Added a title note. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:05, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Elizabeth Goudge & Pamela Cleaver

I have these deletions on hold pending community comments here. Given they have more than a handful of records, we're starting to get into the community debate on what is the threshold level. Personally, I'm in favor of deleting, but giving others an opportunity to weigh in. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:30, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Non-Genre Credits

I have your edits changing the credit for non-genre anthologies to "Editor of" on hold. Currently, that is not how we do it. If you wish to start a R&S discussion, I will hold the edits until there is a resolution. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:34, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Date for The Future Fire, Issue 2017.40

If the editorial is signed April 2017 and downloads became available April 2017, why did you date The Future Fire, Issue 2017.40 as July 2017? --MartyD 10:21, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

That's a typo. Glad you spotted it. --Vasha 10:24, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I fixed the dates on the contents to match your pub date change. --MartyD 10:41, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Transactions of the Flesh

Your proposed publication notes says "Published by Ex Occidente Press and its affiliate Zagava," but you have entered the published as " Zagava / Ex Occidente Press" (i.e. as an imprint). From this site, it looks like to me it's a joint printing between the two? -- JLaTondre (talk) 15:09, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

You are right; I thought that Ex Occidente had some sort of superior relationship to Zagava, but no. Collaborations are marked with an ampersand, right? --Vasha 15:23, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Not sure we have a standard. I've most often seen them entered as "&". Accepted pub & updated publisher to Ex Occidente Press & Zagava. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:18, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Featherston's Story author credit

For the Featherston's Story submission that I have on hold, I think we should not use "Johnny Ludlow (Mrs. Henry Wood)" as the credit, even if the publication has it that way. I suspect the actual credit at the time was just "Johnny Ludlow", but that does not matter. We had many debates over "Iva Newname writing as Ivan Oldname", which also expanded to cover the situation where the presentation is something like "Iva Newname" (over) "Ivan Oldname", and we finally concluded we should record the pseudonym and make the variant:

Pseudonyms. If you know that a particular author's name is a pseudonym, leave it as the pseudonym rather than changing it to the real name. If the title page shows both an original and a subsequent name, use the original name. For example, Isaac Asimov's "Lucky Starr" books were originally published under the pseudonym of Paul French, but later reprints were given both names: "by Isaac Asimov, writing as Paul French". In these cases you should still enter Paul French as the author and record the dual credit in the notes. If the cover shows both names but the title page shows only one name, use the name from the title page -- no matter which it is -- and record the discrepancy with the cover credit in the notes. When a book is known to be ghost-written, this should be treated as a pseudonym; the ghost-writer will eventually show up as having a pseudonym of the well-known author, but that data is not entered via this field.

So I would treat this as a slight variation on that -- the title page shows both an original and a subsequent name -- and use just "Johnny Ludlow" and note the parenthetical attribution. Does that sound reasonable to you? --MartyD 11:35, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Yes, that's perfectly sensible, thanks. The title page of the first book edition has the parentheses -- Mrs. Henry Wood published a whole string of stories signed Ludlow in the Argosy (which she also owned and edited). Vasha 15:07, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Magazine Links

For links associated with individual magazine issues (like the Google scans for The Argosy (UK)), I would suggest putting the link in the individual magazine publication notes and not in the title record. If another issue for that year is ever added, the titles will be merged and the link is specific to the one issue, not the whole year. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:25, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

"The Unholy Wish"

I accepted your variant for The Unholy Wish before seeing your edit to the title credited to Mrs. Henry Wood. If the original is changed significantly enough that it is a short story but the later one is a novelette, a variant relationship should not be used. Variants are not used for tracking derived works (other than translations). Instead, you should make the "uncredited" one a variant of a separate, short story title credited to her and include a variation on the same note there to indicate to others that the two works of the same name should not be merged. --MartyD 08:05, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

She Wolf and Cub (Part 7 of 12)

There are two "She Wolf and Cub (Part 7 of 12)". I assume this one should be part 8? -- JLaTondre (talk) 01:18, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Yes -- thanks for taking care of the varianting! --Vasha 01:21, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Asian Monsters and "Fox Spirit Books of Monsters" title series

I accepted Asian Monsters, but I think "Fox Spirit Books of Monsters" is more appropriately a publication series than a title series, considering that it includes the publisher's name. I also notice we already have Book of Monsters as a Fox Spirit Books publication series. Does this publication belong in that? --MartyD 11:25, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

You're right that it is the same series as African Monsters. But the introduction made it sound like a planned anthology series under the editorial control of Margret Helgadottir (the co-editor dropped out for the third volume.)Vasha 11:33, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

I have shifted African Monsters to the title series. --Vasha 19:15, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

HTML constraints

Ahasuerus has determined that we need to put some fairly tight constraints on the html features that users can embed inside notes, because there are too many places where hackers can use html for nefarious purposes when full html entry is allowed. Details of this limitations are on the Community Portal. In particular, you have made regular use of list attributes, such as 'type=' and 'start=', which are no longer allowed (no attributes for lists are allowed). Consequently, I am in the process of going back and re-doing the html for many of the notes that you authored, mostly using "blockquote" tags. Below is a list of records that I'm currently revising in this way, in case you wish to check my work. This doesn't include everything, because I didn't think to capture this part of the cleanup report list earlier, but it includes most of the more complex such notes. (As of Saturday, May 13th, I'm in the process of this conversion, so if you get this note too quickly, they won't all be converted.) I'll admit that I generally preferred the style you were using, because it introduced fewer spurious blank lines within the text, but I understand the overall goals that Ahasuerus is working towards, and the results below are a compromise to aid those goals. Chavey 17:15, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

	Record	Invalid HTML starts close to
1	Frankenstein: A Cultural History	<ol type="none">Intro
2	Poe y Cortázar: lo fantástico como nostalgia	<ol type="none">Nota
3	Jorge Luis Borges: A Writer on the Edge	<ol type="none">Edito
4	Borges y la Biblia	<ol type="none">Abrev
5	Phantastische Elemente und ästhetische Konzepte im Erzählwerk von J. L. Borges	<ol type="A">Einführu
6	Borges and Space	<ol type="none">Ackno
7	La expresión de la irrealidad en la obra de Borges	<ol type="none"> Adve
8	Borges y la imaginación	<ol type="none">Agrad
9	Borges, the Labyrinth Maker	<ol type="none"> Fore
10	Jorge Luis Borges: Utopía y realidad	<ol type="none">UTOPÍ
11	The Contemporary Praxis of the Fantastic: Borges and Cortázar	<ol type="none">Forew
12	Borges y la posmodernidad: Un juego con espejos desplazantes	<ol type="none">Adver
13	Conversations with Jorge Luis Borges	<ol type="I">A Childh
14	Borges: novelista virtual	<ol type="none">
15	Borges infinito. Borgesvirtual: Pensamiento y saber de los siglos XX y XXI	<ol type="none">
16	Borges: Cuentos	<ol type="none">

At one point, it seemed to me like a good idea to record the table of contents of nonfiction books, but I'm not doing that any more. I certainly didn't know I'd create all this extra work by trying to duplicate the book's TOC in HTML! Retrospective apologies. If cleaning them up is too much work, I wouldn't be upset if you delete them. --Vasha 18:29, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

It wasn't too much work; I've cleaned them all up. I also doubt I would go to this much trouble for non-fiction works, but I really don't like the idea of deleting information that we have in the system! Chavey 19:54, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

HellBound Books Publishing

I have publication edits on hold that are changing the publisher from "HellBound Books" to "HellBound Books Publishing". Is this related to this or something different? -- JLaTondre (talk) 21:30, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

I just left you a message explaining! --Vasha 21:33, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Interzone #270

Hello, I don't know if you entered this issue but please respect the conventions used in entering this magazine (particularly for recurring items, like Ansible). I also noticed that you entered the ebook version (as stated) in what is a run of physical issues. If it's the case, please create a separate series. Note also that all the reviews by "unknown" will have to be corrected (in the 269 issues that I owe and entered, there is, if my memory serves, no such items). A certain creativity is very nice but it's better to have a look at what's already in the db before creating your own standards. Hauck 18:11, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

OK, sorry. I can see that it wasn't helpful to you to add this issue from Amazon. In future, seeing as you have a subscription, I will wait for you to add the print issues. Are there any other magazines that you regularly add each issue for? --Vasha 20:25, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

I subscribe to the paper version of IASFM, Analog, Interzone and Locus. The first two are usually entered by MLB (who does recieve issues before they arrive here in France), the last two are usually entered by me as I'm probably one of the only subscribers left here (Michael used to "do" Locus in a much more comprehensive way than me). Hauck 05:42, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Novel to Chapbook

When changing a publication's type, you need to edit the type within the publication record as well as in the title record. When converting a novel to a chapbook, you also need to add a shortfiction record to the publication. I've taken care both for By Flower and Dean Street. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 00:13, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that step -- I was waiting for approval of the title change before doing the publication changes. I am stil not sure what order to do the edits when changing CHAPBOOK to NOVEL or vice versa. I know some combinations of title/publication can confuse the software, but it will be straightened out once all the edits are completed, right? --Vasha 00:16, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Stepwise, what I usually do (if there is only a single publication like here), I do a single edit of the publication that does three things: Change the publication type from novel to chapbook, change the TITLE record to short fiction (this will keep the series in place if there is a series plus any other comments) and add a new regular title for the chapbook record. This way you do not need to wait for approvals. :) If there is more than one publication, then it gets more complicated... Annie 19:03, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Very clever! Vasha 19:14, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

BTW - if there are multiple publications, I do 2 edits: #1 - change the Pub type to chapbook and add a new title (chapbook again); #2 - go to the title record of the novel and change that to a short fiction. And in both edits, I add a note to the moderators on what I am doing so they know that the types will get fixed with the double update. Both updates can run in parallel (they don't clash) so no need to wait for an approval this way either. Annie 21:14, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

The Bride of the Isles

I have your various "The Bride of the Isles" edit on hold as they have me confused:

• 101113's edit is adding the note "The author's name is printed "Planche" in The Vampire Omnibus.". However, it is verified as "James Robinson Planche".
• You are then varianting it to 2197470 which is credited as "Lord George Gordon Byron".
• 1610963's edit than adds the note "Therefore, some people, such as Milly Williamson in The Lure of the Vampire, attribute this story to Byron. Be that as it may, it is certainly an adaptation of James Robinson Planché's play The Vampire; or, The Bride of the Isles, which in turn was inspired by Polidori's The Vampyre."

The last two some contradictory... -- JLaTondre (talk) 00:21, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Well, you're confused because the whole thing's a real mess. See this conversation with Darrah Chavey.

First things first, I made the note about the spelling "Planche" because everywhere but there it is spelled Planché, so I have a request in to change the canonical spelling to "Planché", making the note necessary.

Secondly, I hope that Darrah will figure out what to do about the attribution (almost certainly erroneous) to Byron; for the moment, though, Byron (in 2197470) is the canonical author for this title, so I varianted 101113 to that title. And I made a note on the Anonymous title record explaining a bit about the situation. I hope that will tidy things up a bit until Darrah works on it. --Vasha 00:32, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

I approved the edits. I also changed the note on 101113 to state 'The author's name is printed "James Robinson Planche" in The Vampire Omnibus.' to clarify it is not simply as 'Planche'. -- JLaTondre (talk) 01:23, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Jack London

Answered your inquiry here: Jack London. MLB 22:45, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, I saw that (had your page on watchlist). --Vasha 22:48, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

"Ghosts" variant

Hi. For your submission that I have on hold, did you set that proposed variant up in the wrong order? It would be a little unusual to have a canonical title whose authorship is "uncredited" and a variant title that is credited to someone. --MartyD 11:21, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

I did explain this in a note on the parent record... this story appeared in a 1903 "Collected Works of Maupassant", it's not actually by him, and according to this, the real author is unknown. I think we put the author as uncredited then? Or should it be "unknown"? --Vasha 11:24, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

It should be 'unknown'. Uncredited is for when the publication doesn't have a credit. Unknown is for when we don't know. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:19, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

OK, fixed. --Vasha 23:27, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Title removal from The Halcyon Fairy Book

I was forced to hard-reject a proposed title removal from The Halcyon Fairy Book because the title involved no longer exists and the submission was no longer valid. It's possible whatever you were trying to remove was merged with something else, and that "something" is now present in the pub and should be removed. So please check. Thanks. --MartyD 11:32, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Just resubmitted the removal of the duplicate titles. --Vasha 11:33, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Comments on your comments

I did my best to comment on your inquires here. Just so you know. MLB 19:15, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Re: A batch of nongenre stories - if you disagree please comment

You placed a notice on my talk page, although I had not verified any of the publications you mentioned. I believe you may have meant Hifrommike65, who verified one copy but did not receive your notice. Doug H 19:27, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Sorry to make you check those for no reason. I thought, this will never get done if I wait for people to bring the stories up one by one, so I'll do a roundup post... Would like to hear your opinion on the subject of classic, much-anthologized, but nongenre stories if you have one. --Vasha 19:38, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Not much of an anthology reader. Regarding non-genre in general, I'm in favour of recording it and noting it as such, whether as titles or in notes. For example, Alan Dean Foster wrote a number of articles for diving magazines - nice to know but if the titles were to show up in lists, it should be easy to filter them out. Doug H 12:50, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

The Fallen Children and Leila additions

It looks like your proposed The Fallen Children addition duplicates this, but I have missed blatantly obvious differences before. What do you think? Thanks, --MartyD 01:00, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

The same question about Leila and this. --MartyD 01:03, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Well, how interesting. When I added the issues of Strange Horizons these books were reviewed in, the book records did not exist. Clearly some helpful person saw the unlinked reviews and added the novels, while my additions were sitting in the submission queue. Can cancel mine now I guess. --Vasha 01:05, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, I have been having both work and computer issues and haven't been able to help get the submissions queue processed as much as I usually do. So there's a longer delay on processing them. --MartyD 11:29, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

My apologies for not checking the submission queue prior to adding those book records. I was, apparently, too focused on clearing the CleanUp reports. Chavey 18:35, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Author/Editor for Winter: Ruin & Renewal

I accepted Winter: Ruin & Renewal, but crediting "Den of Quills" as author/editor is not the correct handling. Although the website talks about "by Den of Quills", I don't think that should be taken as an official authorship/editorship credit. And from what I can see in your notes and on the preview, there is simply no editor credited for the compilation. Our standard practice in a case like this is to credit the anthology to all of the contained authors. --MartyD 11:33, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Saint-Antoine

Hello, please note that I've passed quite a long time to delete the non-genre stories by Maupassant (which is not by any definition possible a genre author and/or above the threshold). I'm not sure that it's a good idea to re-enter them. Hauck 16:01, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not sure either. But the problem is the collection The Dark Side of Guy de Maupassant, marketed as horror, with an introduction by Ramsey Campbell, which contains the stories I just re-entered. We are currently having an interminable discussion on the Community Portal about what to do about non-supernatural stories in horror and suspense collections. There has been a long-standing habit of entering all of the contents, and not marking the non-supernatural ones non-genre (which drives me crazy). I started out by arguing that non-genre stories should be deleted, but a lot of people don't want to do that. And then I switched to arguing that they should AT LEAST be marked non-genre. One thing that everyone agreed on was that there should be notes added to stories which are in horror and suspense anthologies stating that they are genre, non, or ambiguous. I have been doing that for all of Maupassant (and found that "Coco" and "Une vendetta", which were in the database, are clearly non-genre). I figured, if people want all the contents of horror collections, then they want all the contents of The Dark Side. But, sigh, it's impossible to make everyone happy. --Vasha 16:22, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

I really don't care about CP or R&S discussions that usually lead to nothing. At the present we're a spec-fic database so anything not spec-fic (I spare you the part about our famous "threshold") is out, period. Adding a note to a non-genre story is a bit like adding Tiger Woods to a list of baseball players with the "not a baseball player" mention. I'm going to delete again all these stories. Hauck 16:38, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

OK, but please delete "Coco" and "Vendetta" too. --Vasha 16:43, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes, you'll also find that some other stories (I remember to have deleted The Case of Louise Roque or Mohammed-Fripouille) are also non-genre. Hauck 16:45, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Just chiming in - being marketed as horror does not make it eligible. Don't forget that we do Not include any non-spec horror - all the psychological horror is out. So something can be marketyred and even win awards as horror and still not be eligible for inclusion. Annie 17:26, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Dean M Drinkel

Our policy for initials is to "normalize" them -- periods and spaces -- unless we have evidence that the person deliberately goes by an unpunctuated form. For Dean M Drinkel in this pub, I see in the Amazon Look Inside that while the cover, title, and copyright pages use "M" with no period, the signature on the Introduction uses "M.", with the period. I would take that as indicating the lack of period elsewhere is a publishing/typesetting choice, rather than reflecting the editor's using the unpunctuated initial. --MartyD 01:56, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

On the other hand, his name is spelled without the period on his website, his self-written profile at the Writers' Guild of Great Britain, and his Twitter profile, as well as three interviews. --Vasha 02:21, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Fair enough. --MartyD 02:55, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

The Ninth Letter

Hi. I accepted The Ninth Letter, but two comments:

• I wouldn't include the Vol. 14 No. 1 in the title (I'd relegate it to the notes). As with everything else ISFDB, we're inconsistent, but generally we don't include volume + issue unless it's clearly integrated into the magazine's title. We generally do include whole issue number if it's prominently displayed, and I'd say we tend more to include that than we do volume + issue. You will be able to find plenty of examples where we have volume + issue in the title, so I am just offering my opinion; you may do with that what you will.
• Your notes don't state a source for the info.

Thanks. --MartyD 11:06, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Somnium

Hi. Sorry, I made the wrong edit, but a CHAPBOOK title can't be used for NOVEL publications. So either this needs to be NOVEL or this and this need to be CHAPBOOK, or are you trying to do something else? Thanks. --MartyD 01:51, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

I did leave an explanatory moderator note on one of my edits; I guess I should have copied it to every edit. What I said there was, "Somniun" is actually a short story, accompanied by notes that are approximately four times as long! The notes are not included in the anthology publications. So I am trying to change the book length publications to chapbooks containing two contents records: the short story, and the notes. --Vasha 01:59, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Ok, that makes sense. To avoid the mismatch, I have changed the two publications using the NOVEL -> CHAPBOOK container title to be CHAPBOOK. They will need the short story and notes titles imported, once you have those configured the way you want them to be. --MartyD 10:38, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

In Calabria

I have your edit to In Calabria on hold. I am confused as your publication note states "Data from a copy of the first printing" and you have also verified it. This appears to be the first printing? Or is this a later printing that you have copied data in from an earlier printing? But then why have you verified it? -- JLaTondre (talk) 21:21, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, that is my usual note on books that I verify -- I didn't realize that it was confusing. Go ahead and delete that note. --Vasha 21:23, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

The convention is that for verified pubs, data should be from the pub. If there is data not from the pub, than there should be secondary source statement saying what data is from what source (like your 'date from Amazon' statement). So when you add such a statement, it adds ambiguity. Accepted edit & removed the statement. -- JLaTondre (talk) 21:29, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

F(r)iction #7

In your verified publication there is an entry for "Three Poems" by "Jeanine Hall Gailey" (one "n" in Jeanine). This is the same as "The White Doe: Three Poems" by "Jeannine Hall Gailey" (two "n"s in Jeannine). I created a variant for this title, but then realized it might have just been a spelling error in the data entry process. I know it's only a "Transient Verification" of yours, but if you have the chance to check whether it was a typo in F(r)iction or a data entry error, that could be helpful. Thanks, Chavey 15:12, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

The Audient Void

Hi Vasha, they post a scan of their copyright page on their facebook page. I just updated issues 1 and 3 (still pending on 3) with the pages numbers (and updated a few names of stories and authors). I'll also add #2 tonight so we have the complete series. But just dropping a note for your information - if you want to check that as well when you add issue 4 later this year. Annie 23:56, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

That's good to know, thanks! Vasha 04:55, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Beautiful Sorrows

Hi. I think your Beautiful Sorrows trade paperback submission that I have on hold would duplicate this record. Let me know if there is something I am not seeing. Thanks. --MartyD 07:19, 21 June 2017 (EDT)

You are right, thanks. --Vasha 10:52, 21 June 2017 (EDT)

His Seed submissions

There were three submissions for His Seed. The one I have on hold seems to duplicate this one. I thought it was a double-submission, but I see the publisher credits are different. Let me know how it should be handled. Thanks. --MartyD 07:14, 22 June 2017 (EDT)

It should be "Unzipped Books / Lethe Press". Also, please import the contents into the edition that doesn't have them. THanks. --Vasha 07:21, 22 June 2017 (EDT)

Ok, I changed the one that was there to Unzipped Books / Lethe Press and imported the contents from the other entry. I rejected the additional ebook submission as now being a duplicate. I hope all is as it should be. --MartyD 07:49, 22 June 2017 (EDT)

Life Is Easy

I approved Life Is Easy though also added the date to the notes so that people looking at the record moths or years from now will know that the record shows what the publisher's web site had on 2017-06-22. --Marc Kupper|talk 21:25, 22 June 2017 (EDT)

Shine Your Light on Me

I approved Shine Your Light on Me. Using Goodreads as a source makes me nervous as it's a site that allows for user editing of the data. If you are a GR librarian you can view the source for every field for an record to see if it seems reasonable.

As it is, I see two GR records but the page page counts don't match

• 29285541 Paperback, 144 pages
• 28937225 Kindle Edition, 133 pages

You added an ebook 132 pages per the notes.

I took a look at GR record 28937225. This record was added by a GR user on Feb 04, 2016 and is for ASIN B01BGL7V80 which is the one you used. B01BGL7V80 is no longer available on Amazon. Google says it was on Amazon India at https://www.amazon.in/Shine-Your-Light-Lee-Thompson-ebook/dp/B01BGL7V80 Unfortunately, there's no Google cache available.

Thus I was wondering how 133 pages turned into 132 pages. --Marc Kupper|talk 22:16, 22 June 2017 (EDT)

Yes, there's problems with Goodreads; the thing is, once an ebook is removed from Amazon, a record of it remains on Goodreads. Do you know any other place to find information on extinct ebooks? I know that Shock Totem published this book in 2016 because it says so on the copyright page of the Apex edition. Further details took some digging, because it's not on the website of the out-of-business publisher Shock Totem. There is this review, however; that must have been where I got 132 pages from. Dunno why the discrepency, but since I said Goodreads, I should go with Goodreads. --Vasha 22:36, 22 June 2017 (EDT)

I agree that Goodreads has been a good cache of things that disappear or get changed on Amazon. I tend to look there first. https://www.fantasticfiction.com/ also caches things. They used to have a great feature where you could click on the ISBN and it would take you to a details page that showed nearly everything they had last pulled from Amazon. The main downside is that it's a one-man operation with a fair amount of hand-curated stuff. Thus he's not likely to have noticed things from the very small presses. I used Google the last time I needed to chase down an extinct ebook. It took a while but I was able to chase it down. Maybe we should start caching all of Amazon's books. There's only about 15 million records including about 800k Kindle editions. As we don't care about reviews, and they don't delete the book images when they delete a book, the database size should be reasonable.

I updated the pub-record you had added to link to the source record and changed the page count. Using Google I extracted the following from Amazon India.

Format: Kindle Edition

File Size: 1336 KB

Print Length: 144 pages

Publications (15 February 2016);

Sold by: Amazon Asia-Pacific Holdings Private Limited;

Language: English;

ASIN: B01BGL7V80;

Text-to-Speech: Enabled.

https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B01BGL7V80 is the reviews page on amazon.com. It has a book image which I added to the publication.

http://www.shocktotem.com/01/15/2017/apex-publications-acquires-shock-totem-book-line/ implies that the Apex editions should be identical to what was available from Shock Totem.

• Shock Totem Paperback: 144 pages, book is 6 x 0.3 x 9 inches and 9.6 ounces.
• Apex Book Paperback: 126 pages, book is 6 x 0.3 x 9 inches and 8.6 ounces.
• Shock Totem Kindle: 1336 KB, 144 pages. (data from Google which got it from amazon India)
• Apex Book Kindle: 2231 KB, 144 pages

I'll let you run with that... --Marc Kupper|talk 01:51, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

Black As Night

Hi Vasha,

I have on hold your submission to change "As" to "as" in the title above. As per the current list of words that do not need to be capitalized over here, "As" is not one of them. Do we have an agreement elsewhere that we are not capitalizing it that I somehow missed? I know that you had started a discussion around that awhile back and that the list is not very logical but the help pages were never changed (nor was the official list of things that we do not capitalize I believe). Thanks. Annie 14:00, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

You are coming in late to this argument :-) Back last year, I had a discussion with various moderators where I argued that the list is pitifully inadequate guidance -- the usual practice is to base capitalization of prepositions in English on how many letters they have, but the list only contains some of the English two- and three-letter prepositions. You can see some of those discussions at "Capitalization changes for pub titles" and "Capitalization". The upshot was that I won (informally) and everybody's been allowing me to change the capitalization of two/three-letter prepositions that aren't on the list.

I always meant to write up a formal R&S proposal about revising the capitalization standards to not use the list, and instead choose a stylebook to follow. You can see some excerpts from stylebooks that I linked to on my user page. I mentioned a little bit in one R&S post. But the last round of major changes to the DB interrupted that. Now that the big stuff has mostly been done, I should get around to that. Expect a R&S post this weekend. --Vasha 15:28, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

I was in that conversation and even though there was a general agreement that we need a change, nothing got changed. It just makes new contributors really confused when they follow the rules as written and someone changes their titles on them. Or new moderators when they try to actually pay attention to the rules :) I'll approve that one but let's get the rules changed before more of those are changed. Or if I see another one I will just skip it and let someone else handle... although I would rather see the rules changed. What do you think? :) Annie 15:41, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

You are right, this needs to be dealt with right away. I will not change any more of these until it is settled. Would you support a proposal to choose a stylebook? I would argue for the Chicago Manual of Style, which is really nice and detailed, but any one would be better than what we have. --Vasha 15:45, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

Space Operae! A Tale of Three Planets

Don't forget to add a short fiction entry in the newly converted chapbook Space Operae! A Tale of Three Planets. Not sure if you missed to add it in the initial submission or had other plans on adding it later so just making sure you know there is still no story there. :) Annie 17:34, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

And it is now approved. Thanks :) Annie 18:13, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

Ein dunkler Funke

I have your edit to Ein dunkler Funke on hold. You are adding a cover artist, but you don't mention your source and you are not a primary verifier (nor do I see a note to the primary verifier regarding it). Based on your other CreateSpace edits, you seem to be going off the Amazon look inside feature. But the current Amazon version has a different cover... -- JLaTondre (talk) 21:16, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

It has a different cover? Ooops, thanks for catching that. I should not have made that edit. I did notify the PV about changing the publisher, but when I put in the cover artist I just wasn't thinking. Thanks. --Vasha 22:29, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

Adrian Tchaikovsky Apt Universe

Hello Vasha,

The short stories from the Apt Universe (such as Old Blood belong to the companion series Tales of the Apt and not in the main series Shadows of the Apt. It is the same universe but the 10 novels are telling a connected story while the stories are side stories and are slowly collected under the Tales name. So I moved the one you tried to assign to the novel series. Annie 03:07, 28 June 2017 (EDT)

The Tides That Bind

Hello,

Can you check the date and the note in The Tides That Bind? The note says that the first publication is 2014 but the date is set to 2012. I suspect a technical error somewhere but cannot find it online so not sure which one is the incorrect. Thanks! Annie 03:56, 28 June 2017 (EDT)

Yep, 2014 was a typo. Thanks for noticing that! (How come you are awake at this hour? I am insomniac, I hope you aren't also.) --Vasha 03:58, 28 June 2017 (EDT)

Typos usually need a second set of eyes or multiple reviews. :) Insomnia is my middle name some days - usually when I need to be at work early - somehow it almost never happens when I can sleep in. So I am around in weird hours sometimes :)Annie 04:05, 28 June 2017 (EDT)

PS: How is the wrist? Annie 13:43, 28 June 2017 (EDT)

Better, thanks! I was afraid I wouldn't be able to type for weeks, a dismaying prospect because I'm addicted to ISFDB editing (I know you understand!) But I've "only" had to restrict myself to a few hours a day... Catching up on reading instead, down at the library diving into the latest issue of Conjunctions and starting on a fascinating anthology called The Djinn Falls in Love... What are you reading lately that's interesting? --Vasha 17:14, 28 June 2017 (EDT)

What addiction are you talking about? I have nothing of the type! That's my story and I am sticking to it :)

I had been traveling last couple of days(business) so catching up on magazines - both genre and not. I receive way too many of them and keep forgetting to read them :) The Conjuntions is sitting on my nightstand and I had not even looked at it yet. Although if I can extend the lately a bit, I loved the new Kessel novel last month ("The Moon and the Other"). Annie 01:49, 30 June 2017 (EDT)

Lightspeed

I had been wondering if we should disambiguate all the Author Spotlights and not just the ones that happen to end up with 2 of them in 1 year... What do you think? Annie 15:03, 30 June 2017 (EDT)

That would certainly look more uniform, but it would take hours. Can you think of a way to make the work easier? --Vasha 15:24, 30 June 2017 (EDT)

Not really but I will be verifying most of the issues at some point soon so will just get it done then - so let's start doing it from now and and I will work on the backlist. I kinda think we also want a series for those as we have for the editorials. :) Annie 15:29, 30 June 2017 (EDT)

Will do! "Author Spotlight (Fantasy Magazine)", "Author Spotlight (Nightmare Magazine)", and "Author Spotlight (Lightspeed)" series created. --Vasha 15:32, 30 June 2017 (EDT)

PS: I am subscribing to the e-versions of Lightspeed, Nightmare, Clarkesworld, Apex, Forever, The Dark and Uncanny so if you need something to be looked up before I get around to them, ping me. The printed ones I need to check my notes to see what I am subscribing to besides the big 5. Annie 15:41, 30 June 2017 (EDT)

That's good. Could you let me know which magazines exactly it is that you are subscribed to, and whether you have paper or e-subscription? And would it help if I put in the contents as far as I can from online sources and you just fill in the details when you verify, or would you rather put in the whole contents yourself?

Also, I have Kindle Unlimited, so ask if you want me to check out any ebook that's available there. --Vasha 15:45, 30 June 2017 (EDT)

The e-subscriptions are all listed above (Lightspeed, Nightmare, Clarkesworld, Apex, Forever, The Dark and Uncanny) plus on the non-fiction side NYRSF. For now anyway :) If I add any, will let you know. Feel free to add what you can find - chances are that I will be running weeks behind on adding anyway. But if you do not, I will at some point.

The printed ones - I know I am getting Analog, Asimov's (plus their brothers EQMM and AHMM), F&SF, Interzone, Black Static, On Spec from the genre fiction ones but I am pretty sure I am getting a few more that get published less often so I keep forgetting them. From the non-spec but that can have a story here and there that qualifies - Conjunctions, One Story, The New Yorker, Harper's, Brick, Tin House, McSweeney, Granta and a few different reviews and journals (list to follow when I do some checks at home). Plus Science Fiction Studies on the non-fiction side and Locus. Yeah - I have unlimited as well - or at least I keep adding it and dropping it based on my mood and what I am reading in a month but will keep that in mind :) When I said earlier I was catching up on magazines, I was not kidding - with some I had not started 2017 yet. Annie 15:58, 30 June 2017 (EDT)

Author Spotlight in Lightspeed.

I'm holding your edits to change the title of the interviews in Lightspeed by adding a disambiguation statement. The only time we would need to disambiguate these interviews would be if the titles were all identical and even then, I wouldn't do it unless the interviewer were the same for both interviews. In these cases, each of the titles are unique because they contain the name of the interviewee as part of the title. Thus there is no cause for confusion between the titles and no need for disambiugation. I may have approved one edit before I noticed what you were doing. Let me know if you agree. Thanks. --Ron ~ Rtrace^Talk 19:28, 30 June 2017 (EDT)

Ron, see the discussion just above this one. We start seeing a lot of these for a second time - and change them then ending up with very incosinstent display (1 in the issue with a disambig, 2 without and so on - I find this very weird looking). Instead, having them disambiguated from the beginning will keep the issues consistent. Annie 19:33, 30 June 2017 (EDT)

I disagree. These titles don't fall under the definition of "standard titles" as listed in the new pub help page. I generally disagree with trying to encode data about a title as part of the title field. Even with the second interviews for a small handful of interviewees, I would not have put the disambiguation encoded in the title. Instead, I would have added a note on the title record stating where the interview first appeared. For example, see these two poems with the same title and author: [1] and [2]. Even with generic titles like "Introduction" or "Foreword" we do not add a disambiguation when the title has something that makes it unique (e.g. [3] or [4]). --Ron ~ Rtrace^Talk 21:38, 30 June 2017 (EDT)

That's the problem - they keep growing in numbers. The initial disambiguations had started years ago - so this one was following the pattern in the face of needing to fix a few of those every month because now we have a duplicate(or triplicate or worse). :) My view is that these are becoming common titles. But yes - if we move the existing ones to notes and undo all the old ones and build the series, it will achieve the same. I will work through them while verifying next few weeks. And Poems/stories are different so that example does not really apply- this is effectively a column. But notes and removing the disambiguation from the hundred or so that have it because they are doubles also will clean the display of a single issue.

Vasha, I guess going forward, we should always add a note with the issue number and magazine name in the notes of the Spotlights so that we do not need to return and redo them when a false duplicate (Same name, different interview) shows up. Until there are enough duplicates to make it mandatory :) Annie 22:12, 30 June 2017 (EDT)

OK, it's a plan! --Vasha 11:37, 1 July 2017 (EDT)

Fantastic Stories of the Imagination People of Color Flash Anthology

I just did a boatload of merges for the stories we already had in the system after accepting Fantastic Stories of the Imagination People of Color Flash Anthology. I hope you did not need to type all the titles and just copied from somewhere - otherwise importing the reprints is usually easier. :) Annie 19:52, 1 July 2017 (EDT)

Well, actually, IMO typing and merging was easier than going around to all the author pages to find the records to import. It didn't actually take long. --Vasha 19:57, 1 July 2017 (EDT)

Whatever makes it easier for you is fine - I thought I should mention it in case you somehow mistook that one for a non-reprint anthology :) Annie 20:06, 1 July 2017 (EDT)

Mars, We Love You: Tales of Mars, Men, and Martians

Hi,

About your edit of Mars, We Love You: Tales of Mars, Men, and Martians, you dropped the LCCN number 77-166420 during the update and there was no moderator note on that. Was it a deletion by mistake or did you drop in on purpose? Thanks! Annie 22:47, 3 July 2017 (EDT)

I thought I had moved it to the externals. I will fix that now. --Vasha 22:51, 3 July 2017 (EDT)

Thanks :) Wanted to make sure it was not lost by mistake and as you are a verifier, you may had had other reasons to drop it. So did not to just add it back. Annie 22:53, 3 July 2017 (EDT)

Discovery of the Ghooric Zone - March 15, 2337

Hi,

Can you check with the verifiers on the books different from Chrysalis (Claremont Tales) containing that story before changing the name to contain a special character? All copies of Chrysalis have it the way you want it changed most likely (same publisher and so on) but that one is from a different publisher and special hyphens and dashes are sometimes a printer choice. If in that other book it is under the name as it is now, we will need a new variant for it together with the rename. Thanks!Annie 02:20, 4 July 2017 (EDT)

Yes, you're right. (I hate punctuation. Unlike capitalization, it actually affects searches. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to store several alternate versions -- say, "and" and "&" -- so that any search would turn up the title? That isn't what the TransTitle field is for, though.) --Vasha 11:52, 4 July 2017 (EDT)

Monstrous Little Voices

Hi. Could I get you to double check the editor of your verified copy of Monstrous Little Voices. From the Amazon look inside of the the Kindle edition, there is no editor credit on the title page. However, there is a credit on the copyright page with the editors listed as "Jonathan Oliver & David Moore" Unless your title page differs, I would suggest that we should go with the copyright page credit which will necessitate a new pseudonym for Moore. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ Rtrace^Talk 10:45, 4 July 2017 (EDT)

I don't actually have that book any more. But I believe you, go ahead and change the credit. --Vasha 11:05, 4 July 2017 (EDT)

Hero Lost: Mysteries of Death and Life

I have your submission on hold. How is it different from this one? Thanks! Annie 18:32, 4 July 2017 (EDT)

It isn't and I already noticed that and cancelled! You're moderating faster than I can proofread my own work :-) --Vasha 18:33, 4 July 2017 (EDT)

Ah, all set then. I am working on one of the cleanup reports and after a few entries, I check the queue to see if something needs approving :) Annie 18:35, 4 July 2017 (EDT)

Masques of Darkover

Hi, I accepted Masques of Darkover but the ASIN is actually B06WW919CT and not B06WW919C. You may have noticed it already but just letting you know I fixed it after accepting. :) Annie 18:39, 4 July 2017 (EDT)

Rejected your update to try to fix it back to the incorrect B06WW919C. It is too short and if you look at Amazon, the book you are adding has the ASIN B06WW919CT. If you disagree, please respond here why the invalid one should be the one in the record, please. Annie 19:55, 4 July 2017 (EDT)

oh sorry, I misunderstood, thought that was the correct one. Thanks. Vasha 21:15, 4 July 2017 (EDT)

The Conversation of Eiros and Charmion

Hello.

Why would this be a variant and not a merge? Same author name, same language, same title. Am I missing something? Thanks! Annie 15:30, 5 July 2017 (EDT)

Actually, I don't know. I see that they both occur in The Works of Edgar Allan Poe verified by Susan O'Fearna. We had better ask her about it. --Vasha 18:21, 5 July 2017 (EDT)

That is what I was missing this morning! If it is published twice in the same pub, then this is the only way - yes. But let's verify. I saw you posted so I will just monitor. Annie 18:26, 5 July 2017 (EDT)

Hellfire Crossroads—Horror with a Heart: Volume 6

Quick question about this one: why do we have — as a separator instead of ":" (as it is a subtitle). I do not see — anywhere on the title page here. I am not sure if you added it initially but as you are importing, I thought I should ask before going and just changing it. What do you think - do we have a reason to keep the fancy dash there? Annie 19:33, 5 July 2017 (EDT)

It may have been that way on a publisher page I copied it from. I don't recall, because it was a couple of weeks ago. But yes, the usual practice in this database is to simply separate all subtitles with colons, so you can change it to "Hellfire Crossroads: Horror with a Heart: Volume 6." --Vasha 19:36, 5 July 2017 (EDT)

Will do - thanks for the quick answer. Annie 19:46, 5 July 2017 (EDT)

Changed ASIN for Other Realms: A Collection of Fantasy Tales; Volume II

I just accepted Other Realms: A Collection of Fantasy Tales; Volume II but you were missing the last two letters of the ASIN (you had B01MZATQ, it is B01MZATQZC). Fixed now. Thanks! :) Annie 19:38, 5 July 2017 (EDT)

Century Magazine, February 1897

this submission contained no change request. Do you remember what you were trying to change? Annie 23:47, 6 July 2017 (EDT)

There was a stray period in the title. I just submitted the change again. --Vasha 14:31, 7 July 2017 (EDT)

I think you forgot to remove it yesterday when before you submitted - it was showing all red on the right. :) I even just looked at the old change again before accepting the current one - and it was just a no-change request. All accepted now with the new one. Thanks! Annie 14:37, 7 July 2017 (EDT)

Type changes

Hi,

I approved your type change for A Doctor to Dragons and then updated the two publications to become novels as well. This is just a reminder that when a container title changes, usually there are also publications to be adjusted. :) Annie 23:15, 8 July 2017 (EDT)

I know that; the problem is that the software won't permit changes to the publications until the title change is approved. --Vasha 23:17, 8 July 2017 (EDT)

Apparently my brain had switched off in the heat. You are quite right of course. Annie 23:21, 8 July 2017 (EDT)

HTML in Titles

HTML should not be used in title fields. An upcoming change to the database will actually prohibit in all fields except the note field. For odd title like Never Fear: The Apocalypse, it should be entered without the styling and then the styling entered in the notes field. -- JLaTondre (talk) 15:36, 9 July 2017 (EDT)

OK! --Vasha 17:23, 9 July 2017 (EDT)

The Wives of the Dead

If it is not clear if they are dreaming, is the other explanation supernatural? I accepted the change to non-genre here but was just wondering if it can be one of ours after all. As you read it, you have a better idea than me so asking :) Annie 17:34, 11 July 2017 (EDT)

Nothing supernatural-- either a sailor came to the door and said "That shipwreck where you thought your husband drowned? He actually escaped safely." Or else she dreamed she got the message her husband was alive. --Vasha 19:00, 11 July 2017 (EDT)

OK, thanks for the clarification. Nothing more to do then :) Annie 19:04, 11 July 2017 (EDT)

The End Is All We See

Regarding this Now, that is an interesting situation :) I will leave you to decide what needs to be the parent and what the child in the varianting - I did merge all the stories and essays though so just the variant remains :) Annie 21:15, 13 July 2017 (EDT)

Yeah... one of the stories was named an Author's Choice in some sort of blog awards and it is the head story featured in the volume with the scalpel on the cover, so I think that is the one that should be the parent. --Vasha 21:17, 13 July 2017 (EDT)

Also, I got the titles switched. But the pictures etc. are correct, just the titles are not. --Vasha 21:20, 13 July 2017 (EDT)

Yeah - I noticed after I returned to the titles after leaving the note above and then I saw the renames from you .

However I can accept them but that will leave Publication "The End Is All We See" with coverart named "The End Is All We See" and title "The End Is All We See" and the publication "The End Is All We See" with coverart "The End Is All We See" and title "The End Is All We See". So why just a pub rename and not a complete pub + titles rename (they have no other publication so you can change all 3 via the pub update? If you just forgot the other renames, i can do them after accepting your renames.

So this is to be the parent (after we sort out the names)? Annie 21:22, 13 July 2017 (EDT)

Yeah I forgot the coverart titles! --Vasha 21:24, 13 July 2017 (EDT)

That is why I like editing from the publication and changing as much as I can directly from there - as long as you have only one publication, you can change the cover, the title and the pub in one update I think all is sorted now - look at it one more time in case something is still amiss. :) Annie 21:28, 13 July 2017 (EDT)

Yes, it's all right. But I also changed the order of the stories. Sorry about this mess! --Vasha 21:29, 13 July 2017 (EDT)

No worries - I should have stopped at the adding to ask you what is going on because of the mismatch between picture and title (but my mind was thinking something about title pages and covers being different and so on. Having both open from Amazon at the same time did not help much :) Took me awhile to snap out of it. ). All is good now. Annie 21:46, 13 July 2017 (EDT)

Cecilia Kennedy

Hello,

Was there something else different between the two submission besides Cecilia Kennedy's name? (I got that one and updated it). Annie 18:40, 17 July 2017 (EDT)

That's what I wanted to change, thanks! --Vasha 18:41, 17 July 2017 (EDT)

OK :) I was reviewing what is different before coming over to ask if there was something else that needs fixing when you zapped it and figured out that I managed to approve the first one too fast :) Annie 19:00, 17 July 2017 (EDT)

Grievous Angel, May 16, 2017

Hello,

I just approved your addition of this one and then realized we already have it over here. Can you move your verification to the older record? The other PV mainly works on poetry so I suspect this is why the story was not added but you may want to ping him as well. Sorry for not noticing the existing one before I approved. Annie 23:55, 17 July 2017 (EDT)

Or is one of those named wrongly? Annie 00:00, 18 July 2017 (EDT)

I just corrected the date on the story I added. --Vasha 00:41, 18 July 2017 (EDT)

Perfect, thanks :) Annie 00:43, 18 July 2017 (EDT)

Smashwords covers

When you are adding Smashwords covers, don't forget that the format is a bit special - you need to add the record ID inside of the image URL (see the linked page for an example but the short version is that you need to do imageURL|recordID). I fixed this one. Annie 21:39, 18 July 2017 (EDT)

Dimension6

Hello,

The issues of Dimension6 before the ones you are adding are disambiguating "Author Loci" - like here or here. Would you like to change your issues so that we are a bit more consistent? Thanks! Annie 15:53, 19 July 2017 (EDT)

No problem! --Vasha 15:54, 19 July 2017 (EDT)

Thanks! Annie 16:41, 19 July 2017 (EDT)

Abode

Hello,

A couple of questions on this one

• The ISBN is the same as on the tp and if you look or the ISBN in the Kindle store, it says "We didn't find results for "9780998067971" in Kindle Store." Which usually means that the ISBN is not really associated with the e-book even if the book is a digital copy of the paper book and have it printed there (without saying it is a e-book one). Do you think that we should keep the ISBN?
• When adding e-books can you please add the ASINs? :)

Once we solve that ISBN business, I will accept it and then correct what's needed but wanted to first clear this out. Thanks! Annie 19:33, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

OK -- That ISBN is on the copyright page of the ebook in the preview; so I guess you make a note of that and remove it from the ISBN field. And the ASIN is B071FN7K2X. --Vasha 19:39, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

Done :) Thanks! Feel free to rewrite the note if you prefer to. Annie 19:47, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

Aura

I think I looked at all linked sources but I cannot find the size of this one anywhere. What is the source for the size change? Thanks! Annie 19:37, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

The encyclopedia article I linked to in the notes says that it was printed as a newspaper supplement, and the image I linked shows that it is a tabloid newspaper. --Vasha 19:41, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

But that is not our definition of tabloid - it is purely sized based:

• bedsheet - 8.5" × 11.25", e.g. early issues of Amazing; or the 1942-43 issues of Astounding
• tabloid - 11" × 16", usually newsprint, e.g. British Science Fiction Monthly

If you are sure that this newspaper was printed in what we call tabloid-size and not the bedsheet size (no idea what the usual size in Mexico is - some of the Bulgarian tabloids are technically bedsheet sized thus me wanted a verification), then all is good. But as someone added as bedsheet, wanted to make sure that the change is based on the definitions. If you added the original publication, then I will of course change it ASAP :) Annie 19:44, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

All right then, since I don't know what size La República was at that time, we will put the format down as unknown. It was actually me who put in the "bedsheet;" I didn't understand the definition then. I am correcting my own mistake, and I think it is LIKELY to be tabloid, but I can't be sure. --Vasha 19:46, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

I can do that - and I will add a note that it was in a tabloid newspaper. See the note I added and feel free to rewrite :) Thanks for checking! Annie 19:51, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

I have changed your notes because I finally realized what my mistake was. The size of a standard newspaper is called broadsheet not bedsheet (no wonder I was confused). And La Republica seems to be a broadsheet not a tabloid, from the picture. So I changed the note to indicate that as the likely size. --Vasha 19:56, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

All those sizes are the standards for US and UK fanzines and magazines and what's not through the ages. That is why they do not apply very well to the world (just see how most books not from US end up as tp -- a lot of countries do not have mass market paperbacks). Always fun to try to apply them - I usually end up reading the sizes 4 times while picking... Approved although we do not have "broadsheet" in our sizes, even if the world calls them that. But the message is clear enough so we are all set. If/when someone verifies, they can get the binding corrected. Thanks again! :) Annie 20:00, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

Source of books

Hi,

Can you please add a note where you are sourcing all those chapbooks you are entering (Amazon cannot find them) or at least let the moderators know in a a moderator note? That makes it easier to figure out downstream where the record come from (especially for cases where Amazon does not know about them). I'll approve all you have in the queue now with no source but I will appreciate if you can go back and add (Data from publisher site or Data from Smashwords or ... ) Thanks!Annie 17:19, 21 July 2017 (EDT)

All the forthcoming Less Than Three releases are not on Amazon yet. I guess they only pass them over to Amazon mere days before publication, even though you can pre-order them from the publisher's website. I am taking them at their word as to what the price and release date will be. --Vasha 17:32, 21 July 2017 (EDT)

Suspected as much - thus me approving. But we still should either have a verification or a note on sources on each book in the system :) I like adding a "as of 2017-07-21" as well when I am adding especially for e-books (and even more for ones that are still not published). But even just saying it is from the publisher site is good enough. Thanks for the update! Annie 17:40, 21 July 2017 (EDT)

All Good Children

Hi,

About this submission. We do support the Lambda award (here so this note should actually end up as a award and not as a note. Or is there a reason to keep it as a note only? Annie 18:24, 21 July 2017 (EDT)

Same for The Devourers and the next 2? Am I missing something? Annie 18:25, 21 July 2017 (EDT)

OK, sorry, didn't realize the Lambda award was available. --Vasha 18:27, 21 July 2017 (EDT)

No worries at all. Technically if there is a genre category in any of the literary awards we either already have it or feel free to propose their addition. :) Annie 18:32, 21 July 2017 (EDT)

The Chronicles of Caymin / The Dragonmage Saga

I cannot determine from what I am finding online - is that a series with two names or supposed to be a series inside of a series? If the latter, which one is the parent one? I can split them on the series level so you do not need to submit two updates. If it is a series with two names, then nothing else is needed of course - I am just not sure :( Thanks! Annie 19:53, 21 July 2017 (EDT)

On the author's website, it is referred to as The Dragonmage Saga. What confuses me is that BOTH series names occur on the cover of the books. I thought I would put both of them down to be safe. --Vasha 19:56, 21 July 2017 (EDT)

Works for me. Won't be the first time when someone starts a series in a universe and never adds more books to it. If they ever write something with just one part of it, we will untangle. Thanks for clarifying! Annie 20:01, 21 July 2017 (EDT)