https://isfdb.org/wiki/api.php?hidebots=1&urlversion=1&days=7&limit=50&target=Template_talk%3ADeceased_user&action=feedrecentchanges&feedformat=atomISFDB - Changes related to "Template talk:Deceased user" [en]2024-03-29T11:54:58ZRelated changesMediaWiki 1.35.6https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard&diff=682913&oldid=682876ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard2024-03-29T03:35:51Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Review of Contemporary Fiction vs The Review of Contemporary Fiction</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:We should go with whatever is used on the masthead. If that's not available, then whatever is used on the cover. It's okay to have slightly different titles within the same series, too. You can see that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28967 here], where the magazine changed their title a few times over the years. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:18, 20 March 2024 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:We should go with whatever is used on the masthead. If that's not available, then whatever is used on the cover. It's okay to have slightly different titles within the same series, too. You can see that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28967 here], where the magazine changed their title a few times over the years. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:18, 20 March 2024 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::: The issue at hand is whether images of political campaign buttons -- or campaign T-shirts, mugs, etc -- count as "advertising" for the purposes of the ISFDB Wiki. As mentioned above, [[Help:Contents/Purpose#What_the_ISFDB_Wiki_is_not|What the ISFDB Wiki is not]] says:</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::: The issue at hand is whether images of political campaign buttons -- or campaign T-shirts, mugs, etc -- count as "advertising" for the purposes of the ISFDB Wiki. As mentioned above, [[Help:Contents/Purpose#What_the_ISFDB_Wiki_is_not|What the ISFDB Wiki is not]] says:</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::: My take on it is that if a politician or a public official had an ISFDB User page, an informational statement like "Governor of Freedonia. Running for re-election in 2024." would be OK, but a campaign button or announcements of fundraisers would be too close to "advertising" to be acceptable. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:28, 28 March 2024 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::: My take on it is that if a politician or a public official had an ISFDB User page, an informational statement like "Governor of Freedonia. Running for re-election in 2024." would be OK, but a campaign button or announcements of fundraisers would be too close to "advertising" to be acceptable. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:28, 28 March 2024 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:: I see that I do have to improve my carefulness: being myself not too touched by erroneous alterings of my edited or PVed publications, I do tend towards thinking that others are thinking the same way. After all, new knowledge leads to the need of adapting the existing records: that's how ISFDB works (and is intended I think). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 03:35, 22 March 2024 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:: I see that I do have to improve my carefulness: being myself not too touched by erroneous alterings of my edited or PVed publications, I do tend towards thinking that others are thinking the same way. After all, new knowledge leads to the need of adapting the existing records: that's how ISFDB works (and is intended I think). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 03:35, 22 March 2024 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
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