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Narrator template


Just wanted to let you know that we added a new template to record the narrators for audiobooks ({{Narrator|Stefan Rudnicki}} for example). I changed it here and also added the Audible ASIN :) Annie 17:03, 15 January 2019 (EST)

Will you STOP that!!!!! Every time I turn around you people are changing this or updating that! Good Grief, don't you people have lives? I know I don't, but still... Okay, thanks. :) MLB 17:31, 15 January 2019 (EST)
Naah, not going to stop at all - if we stop, the world will stop turning! And what is that "life" you are talking about? Now you will make me go and pull my dictionaries...  :) It is similar to the translator template - the idea is that one day when we have "other people responsible for this work/pub" kind of thing, this will make it easier to find and migrate these. :) Annie 17:36, 15 January 2019 (EST)

The Indexes

These should be January-December (the previous year) - look at the few I have on hold - they have the CURRENT ISSUE disambiguation so when you change the year to the previous year, it does not make sense... For example this one should either be "Index (Asimov's, Volume 40, January - December 2016)" or "Index (Asimov's, January-February 2017)" (which means that it is the in Jan/Feb 2017 issue... Making it Jan 2016 does not make sense. Or am I missing something? Annie 03:08, 17 January 2019 (EST)

It was late at night and I was tired. No excuse, but I will fix in a little bit, as I am on my way out of the house. MLB 11:34, 17 January 2019 (EST)
I was wondering if it was not just a half-asleep brain ( mine or yours.) :) Thanks! Annie 11:48, 17 January 2019 (EST)
The new set you just sent have the same problem: this should either be "January 2015" or "January-December 2014". "January 2014" does not make sense at all for the 2014 list published in January 2015. Annie 20:51, 17 January 2019 (EST)
Please tell me I got it right this time. I must be loosing my mind. MLB 22:26, 17 January 2019 (EST)
Yep, perfect - there was a missing comma in one of them but I added it so they line up. Annie 01:16, 18 January 2019 (EST)

Last Dance of the Lochkray

Hi, I have put the submissions for this on hold. wondering how it's possible that the review precedes the title by eight years (!?). Christian Stonecreek 04:37, 30 January 2019 (EST)

I found ~on Goodreads that the title was first published in March 2005, and changed the title record as such.--Dirk P Broer 06:52, 30 January 2019 (EST)
Thanks very much, Dirk. I approved of the submissions. Christian Stonecreek 07:12, 30 January 2019 (EST)

Asimov's Readers' Poll Results

While adding the finalists for this year's Asimov's Readers' Poll awards, I noticed that we did not have the full poll results for 2017 nor 2018. Unfortunately the magazine's website only lists the winners. The SFADB also seems to be missing the full results for 2017 and, curiously, the novella results for 2018 (they have the others). I was wondering if the editorials announcing the results, in the September/October issues for each year, happen to publish the full results. If so, would you mine either updating the awards for those years that we still have as finalists. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 09:26, 10 February 2019 (EST)

Holee Kow!!! I've been editing here since 2012 and I didn't even know this was on the site!!! So much to keep learning about ISFDB. Don't even know how to update this. Will start searching immediately. MLB 19:58, 10 February 2019 (EST)
Happy to introduce you to something new. If you have any questions about how to update the awards, feel free to ask. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 22:08, 10 February 2019 (EST)

Anything But Empty

I accepted your edit to add Anything But Empty to the db, but you will also need to add the short story as contents as this is a chapbook. Thanks. PeteYoung 06:32, 15 February 2019 (EST)

Tags for Translator in pub notes

Hi. I thought one was a copy/paste thing, but I've run into another. Don't include
tags around the
(and similar templates) in the notes. These are flagged as not-allowed HTML, and they're not needed. Thanks. --MartyD 22:18, 20 February 2019 (EST)
Fine. I was only following instructions from previous moderators. They gave me the formula to follow. See here and here. MLB 01:04, 21 February 2019 (EST)
It looks like there's been some confusion. The
tags were included to make it (the example template) appear correctly when viewing the template here on your talk page. Those nowiki tags make the wiki (which this talk page is part of) not interpret the {{TR|NAME}} template as an actual template here in the wiki. Only the {{tr|NAME}} part should be used. I hope that makes it more clear. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 16:36, 21 February 2019 (EST)
Yeah. MLB 00:06, 22 February 2019 (EST)

The Devil and Daniel Webster

Hi. You entered and verified a copy of the 1965 HRW edition, P490250.

Concerning whether this is a reprint of the 1937 edition:
Moments ago I added the 1st ed. (Countryman Press, 1937) submission from contemporary newspaper coverage mainly, but also a WorldCat record that reports page-span 13-61, which matches your report. See also the last bullet item.

HRW was created by 1960 merger of Henry Holt, Rinehart & Company (successor to Farrar & Rinehart), and John C. Winston. So it would hold their backlists.

28-year renewal of the 1937 copyright must be expected in 1965, the year of your publication. But you note that it states only 1937 copyright. --Pwendt|talk 23:00, 25 February 2019 (EST)

ASIN vs Audible ASIN

Hi, I just corrected invalid ASINs for a title where you merged a title, The Bantam: A Phantom Traveler Novella. I assume the wrong codes were either entered by you, or became wrong codes because of the merge. What did I need to correct? There was a ASIN given that was in fact the Audible ASIN and on the palce of the audible ASIN there was a 10-digit string. Both ASIN and Audible ASIn can't be 10-digit strings. The correct ASIN for 'The Bantam: A Phantom Traveler Novella' is B078VTQWL2 (see the ebook), the correct Audible ASIN is B07N49BHWZ (see the audiobook). Now I'm left with '1551171342' which is not a OCLC number, nor an ISBN. Do you have a clue?--Dirk P Broer 05:16, 27 February 2019 (EST)

No. Get rid of it. MLB 06:36, 27 February 2019 (EST)

Buy or Die: There Cometh a Time of Ruthless Advertising

All looking better) now. Annie 21:13, 15 March 2019 (EDT)

Five Victorian Ghost Novels

1. A\The Phantom Lover

Hi. You verified this 1971 Dover omnibus in some undated printing, P381181. Please check whether it does contain "A Phantom Lover" under variant title "The Phantom Lover". The library records we cite for the original 1971 printing both show the original title "A Phantom Lover": LCCN 77-102771, which you cite in the Notes, and WorldCat OCLC 876263121, indirectly in a quoted 2018 GoodReads review. --Pwendt|talk 13:28, 18 March 2019 (EDT)

British Library also reports "A Phantom Lover", BL 000375769.
2. The Amber Witch. We should also know what info Dover provides concerning this text of "The Amber Witch" --translator, year, and more if available. Sources differ concerning the year and we have both 1844 and 1846 titles in the database, T1365996 as a NOVEL and T1146197 as a short story. (Our one publication record for the latter shows that the work must be a short story, most likely an excerpt from one unrevised translation --or minimally revised, to present the excerpt adequately by itself.) --Pwendt|talk 14:13, 19 March 2019 (EDT)
Okay, this is one of my first edits on this site and a lot of crap has has happened around here since then, including two deaths, and a lot of sicknesses, so to be honest, I don't, at present, know where that volume is at. I'll look for the book, but, it'll take a while. Change what you think needs changing, and I'll go on a scavenger hunt when I can, and when I find that book I'll fix anything that needs fixing. I'll change the verification in the meantime. MLB 17:28, 19 March 2019 (EDT)
I am sorry to read about all that. I am familiar only with the part about owning books that are not at hand, so I don't do much verification here. --Pwendt|talk 18:18, 20 March 2019 (EDT)

Allan Quatermain

Here P578321 is one that you are likely to recall, I infer from your deliberate publication Note, "Misspells Quatermain's name as Quartermain on the cover" (with image that shows that stray 'r' on the spine). To me you imply correct spelling on the title page, so that the publication title and NOVEL title as "Quartermain" are mistakes, for your F. M. Lupton edition.

We have several publications of that NOVEL with two spelling errors in the title, "Allan Quartermain: Being and Account", presumably propagated by copy-paste from no more than one intentional entry of a mis-spelling. I don't propose to touch yours unless you recall that no mis-spelling is intentional.

If/when you find the book, it may provide helpful information about the publisher F. M. Lupton --most likely a street address. I have 7 different ones from 1880s to 1900s, gathered today in somewhat-related research. --Pwendt|talk 18:36, 20 March 2019 (EDT)


Sorry, but I was the one who corrected the erroneous submission for an ANTHOLOGY. This is impossible per ISFDB standard. I'll wait until tomorrow but it seems that a new erroneous submission would have to be rejected. Stonecreek 15:14, 29 March 2019 (EDT)

Well, this is certainly not a chapbook, so how does one list it? Maybe as a collaboration? One piece of fiction by one author, in a book filled by different authors certainly seems to fit the definition of an anthology to me, even if the other pieces are there to explore the themes of that one piece of fiction. Anyway, I'm not being hostile, I truly would like to know how to list this type of book, as there are plenty of them out there. I have read books like this dealing with Lovecraft, and James' The Turn of the Screw.
This also leads up to a second question. There are a LOT of sequels, prequels, and spinoffs of Carmilla. They should be put into a series, but Carmilla is already part of a series . . . so how would one go about organizing these stories. Some of this is above my pay grade y'know. Maybe "Carmilla Universe", and then make Martin Hesselius the parent series? Just trying to be a better editor. MLB 18:14, 29 March 2019 (EDT)
It really seems to be a CHAPBOOK: after all the shortfiction by Le Fanu (who is defined as author as per title page and cover) takes more than half of the space (ANTHOLOGY is ruled out per our definition of it). Stonecreek 02:06, 30 March 2019 (EDT)
Yeah, but half the space, it's a two hundred page book, is taken up by extraneous material. This is not just a couple of forewords or afterwords. These are full-length articles/criticisms. I can't see a two-hundred page book filled with multiple authors rendered down to a chapbook. Still, I'm just a lowly editor, but, the rules are the rules, and if the rules say it's so, what do I know. Time to move on. Lots of indie authors that need to be on this site. I think. No big deal. MLB 02:33, 30 March 2019 (EDT)

The Carol Singer

A quick question about your verified "The Carol Singer" by Chris Fox. The Locus Index says that it is the same story as "The Carol Singer" by Chris Naylor which appeared in The Young Oxford Book of Christmas Stories in 2001. However, the Naylor story is currently listed as having been first published in 1988 while our database record says that the Fox story was first published in December 1998.

When you have a free moment, could you please check your chapbook to see if it contains anything that may shed additional light on this issue? TIA! Ahasuerus 13:08, 30 March 2019 (EDT)

I'll look, but it wouldn't matter I fear, the pamphlet was just some loosely folded pages that were meant as a give-away. As I stated in my note, there is no date. I got it when a story of mine was rejected. If other sources state that the original publishing date is 1988, then that's what it is. However, shouldn't the Fox and Naylor pages be merged? MLB 21:19, 30 March 2019 (EDT)
Well, the fact there was another "Chris Fox" active around the same time made me wonder if Locus may have been mistaken. My thinking was "Perhaps the two Carol Singers shorts are two separate stories by two different authors". However, their theme is the same, the word count is close - 2 pages vs. 4 unnumbered pages -- and the FictionMag Index also thinks that Chris Naylor used "Chris Fox" as a pseudonym in the late 1990s and early 2000s. I ended up creating VT/pseudonym associations for the two stories. Now to make sure that our bibliography of the latest addition to the "Chris Fox" brigade is up to date. No rest for the wicked :-) Thanks! Ahasuerus 23:35, 30 March 2019 (EDT)

Signal Red

Hi Mark, I accepted your edit to add Signal Red, but I'm bothered by "Penguin Global" as the publisher as I can't find reference anywhere to this being an actual Penguin imprint. Amazon Look Inside shows the pub as having "First published by Penguin Books India 2005" on the copyright page. Can you clarify where Penguin Global comes from? Also, the ISBN-13 is for publications from 2007 onwards. The pre-2007 ISBN-10 for this pub is 0143032623 (according to Amazon). Thanks. PeteYoung 23:35, 2 April 2019 (EDT)


Cover images should be uploaded using the "Upload new cover scan" option on the publication. If you are adding a new publication, you should wait for the publication to added and then upload it using the link. The link will properly name the image as well as apply the correct templates. When uploading non-cover images directly to the wiki, you need to manually apply a license tag to the image. Help:How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki provides instructions for this. Looking at your contributions, you have a lot of images that need to be fixed. Please go through your history and apply the proper templates. If they are not appropriately marked, they are not complaint with copyright. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:53, 24 April 2019 (EDT)

Well, somebody should have explained this before. But, ignorance is no excuse for incompetence, so if you go here could you check and see if I’m doing it right? MLB 01:02, 25 April 2019 (EDT)
Wiki edits are not moderated. Unfortunately, that means things like this can be missed for awhile.
As for this edit, that is not sufficient. You need to edit the page and add an appropriate image license template (they are listed in the help page I linked above). For this author image, I would assume you would use the fair use one (Template:Author Image Data), but you need to pick the correct one based on the true copyright status (so fair use, by permission, public domain, create commons, etc.). Once you pick the right license, go to the license template page (they are all linked on the help page) and it will give you the instructions for what you need to enter on the image page.
I moved your post from my talk page to here. It is easier to keep conversation grouped and I have watchlisted this page. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:55, 25 April 2019 (EDT)
This all boils down to whether or not I understand computerese. Perhaps I overstepped myself. Well, okay, I DID overstep my boundaries. I did this but I know its wrong, and/or I don't know how to link it to anything. MLB 22:14, 25 April 2019 (EDT)
Sorry for not making it simpler. You don't edit the template page. You edit the image page and copy the template to it. So edit Image:Trevor.jpg and replace the text contents with:
{{Author Image Data
|Name=Trevor Quachri
|Source=[ Analog Science Fiction and Fact website]
That will add the template, with the correct parameters filled in, to the image page. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:09, 25 April 2019 (EDT)
Well, it looks like your job is still safe from me. It all seems like magic to me, but is this correct now? Sorry to take so long. I got caught by some ransomware. MLB 20:51, 1 May 2019 (EDT)
Yes, it's correct. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:54, 2 May 2019 (EDT)

The Girl Who Was Burned Alive

In Tales of Magic and Mystery, March 1928, the essay The Girl Who Was Burned Alive is credited to Howard Thurston, but varianted as by Walter B. Gibson. However, Thurston and Gibson are different people. As there no note indicating the pub had an incorrect credit, is this variant correct? -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:52, 4 May 2019 (EDT)

I know nothing. I was looking at somebody's messages and they had mentioned that Gibson had ghost written Thurston's stuff. I'm more that willing to be wrong about this, but see this from where I checked. If you want to change it back, I'm fine with it. MLB 16:28, 4 May 2019 (EDT)
I've seen sources saying that Gibson ghostwrote two of Thurston's magic books. This is entered as an essay. Is that correct? Does it say it's by the magician (as apposed to another Thurston) or state it's reprinted from somewhere? Also, the one pub has it listed as "Burned Alive" and the other "Buried Alive". Can you double check that as well? -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:44, 11 May 2019 (EDT)
The pulps were pretty shifty when it came to giving credit where credit was due. So I don't know if the Thurston article was an article or an excerpt. This is something that an expert in magic could tell you, which I am not. But, I suspect that if Gibson ghost-wrote Thurston's books, then he probably did Thurston's articles as well. My copy is in storage, but Amazon states that the article is BURNED alive, and I copied my submission directly from the replica itself (which I got for the Lovecraft story). Being unable to drive, when I can get to my storage container I'll double check, but not right away. Family, you can't choose 'em. Again, until there is proof positive, maybe the article should be changed back to just Thurston with a note on the writer's page. MLB 20:46, 11 May 2019 (EDT)
I have merged the two stories under "Burned" since that is what you verified it as. However, please double check when you have a chance. Other sources quote it as "Buried" and Amazon listings are not the most accurate. I found other sources that state this was ghostwritten so I have left the variant in place with a note to that affect. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:36, 12 May 2019 (EDT)

Thanks for Noticing

Nice of you to notice I became a moderator. Thank you. I think it would have been impossible if Michael Hutchins was still active; he and I fought constantly when I first started participating. But Ron Kihara and I got together at the Windy City Pulp and Paperback Show this year, and he offered to nominate me. I was curious to see what would happen, and lo and behold, now I'm a moderator. Bob 13:57, 14 May 2019 (EDT)

Well, we keep running into each other when it comes to pulp fiction and the small presses. I just wish I had the money, and room around here, to buy more. Good luck. MLB 19:36, 15 May 2019 (EDT)

Doubled back cover

Hi, there were two of them here. I dropped the incorrect one and put the other one into the page count. Christian Stonecreek 10:42, 20 May 2019 (EDT)

HTML coding

Hi, can you please take a look at how to properly make a bold italic text using html? I have corrected umpteen of these today.--Dirk P Broer 22:17, 29 May 2019 (EDT)

Now I know. No hard feelings. Always willing to learn to do better. MLB 22:26, 29 May 2019 (EDT)
I hope that I got my last two entries correct this time. MLB 22:56, 29 May 2019 (EDT)
No problems with the HTML. If only you'd stop using double bullets....--Dirk P Broer 04:51, 30 May 2019 (EDT)
Mom said I'd be trouble when I grew up. I'll try harder. MLB 04:53, 30 May 2019 (EDT)

"War of the Giant Apes" merge

Hi. I accepted your War of the Giant Apes merge, but the submission had an issue with the length. It wanted to lose the SHORTFICTION/novella length in favor of NOVEL, but the record is a variant of another SHORTFICTION/novella parent, so that would have been a mismatch. I took a look at the appearances and only verification we have, and it seemed to me that SHORTFICTION/novella is likely the correct length, so I put that back. If it should be NOVEL, multiple edits will be needed to produce a consistent result, plus checking with the primary verifier for the one verified appearance. Thanks. --MartyD 06:50, 7 June 2019 (EDT)

Any way you want it. I really didn't know how to merge Alexander Blade, as no real author was credited with it, so I took a leap of faith, and tried to figure it out. Having never seen a copy of either the book or the magazine (Amazing Stories), I can't verify anything except what the ERBville site states. If they discover oil on my property then I can afford to buy everything that catches my fancy, but until then . . . MLB 15:55, 7 June 2019 (EDT)

Novels in Magazines

I'm going to reject your two edits to change the title type of two stories ([1] and [2]) to novels. When a novel appears in a single installment in a magazine, we treat it as a serial instead of a novel. Additionally, the title should be changed by appending "(Complete Novel)". This is described under Title->Serials and Title Type->SERIAL in this help section. I did approve the variant relationship for these two titles, but you'll need to change these to titles to SERIALs. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 09:08, 8 June 2019 (EDT)


Hi, I think you ought to read this before entering more errors in the ISBN field (like Barnes & Noble id nos.).--Dirk P Broer 20:02, 17 June 2019 (EDT)

So...Nook Books shouldn't be entered? MLB 21:53, 17 June 2019 (EDT)

Tek covers

Hi. I replaced the cover on Tek Secret with one having a slightly higher resolution. Jack Sjmathis 15:05, 23 June 2019 (EDT)

Hi. I replaced the cover on Tek Vengence with one having a slightly higher resolution. Jack Sjmathis 15:15, 23 June 2019 (EDT)

Okay, thanks. MLB 19:29, 23 June 2019 (EDT)

Asimov's Science Fiction, May-June 2019

Hi the listing for "The Doing an Undoing of Jacob E. Mwangi" seems to be a typo, it should be "The Doing and Undoing of Jacob E. Mwangi". So I'll change it if you don't mind. Thanks. gzuckier 23:14, 25 June 2019 (EDT)

Okay. Just got out of the hospital, so I couldn't right back to you. MLB 18:40, 27 June 2019 (EDT)

Ty Game in 2014

Hello, I think you are responsible for the addition of this? If, so, could it be that it is erroneous? I can't find any sign of the publication in the given source Dogpatch Press, and the Wikipedia entry states this as a 2018 title (not 2014). Can you take a closer look? Stonecreek 02:30, 30 June 2019 (EDT)

Okay, eliminate it. I was juggling several screens at once, and I must of mistaken this page for for the Ty page, as I entered both on this site at nearly the same time. Very sorry. MLB 03:22, 30 June 2019 (EDT)

I Will Follow to Eternity and Beyond

When the source is Goodreads, please do not forget to add the GR number to the record (we have an External ID for those). Can you find it again and add it here? Thanks! Annie 17:06, 12 July 2019 (EDT)

I stopped adding them when they stopped going anywhere. I'll add the only number that I can find. MLB 17:11, 12 July 2019 (EDT)
What do you mean? The GR ones are pretty stable in my experience. If you find one that does not lead anywhere even though you are seeing it, please ping me - maybe we need to change the way we build the URL? Annie 17:15, 12 July 2019 (EDT)

Zombie Bigfoot

"7 hours and 55 minutes, or 396 minutes in listening length." -- these two cannot be right at the same time here. 475 minutes is not the same as 396 minutes... :) Annie 17:32, 12 July 2019 (EDT)

Your right, where did I get 396???? MLB 17:36, 12 July 2019 (EDT)

His for the Claiming

Did you do an Edit by mistake here instead of Clone? Annie 18:12, 12 July 2019 (EDT)

Yes. Sorry. MLB 22:57, 12 July 2019 (EDT)
no worries. I rejected it and did a proper cloning so we are all set. Annie 12:34, 15 July 2019 (EDT)
Thanks. MLB 14:32, 15 July 2019 (EDT)


Does this author really has (I) in his legal name? Annie 15:51, 19 July 2019 (EDT)

The reason that I did that is because this Ron Fleshman started publishing in the nineties, and this Ron Fleshman was publishing fan art in the fifties, and I didn’t want them confused. Maybe I was wrong, feel free to correct if need be. MLB 16:02, 19 July 2019 (EDT)
We do not differentiate in the legal name - it is literally the person name. We can add a note to explain it is a different Fleshman - I will do that.
Now I know. Won't happen again. MLB 16:17, 19 July 2019 (EDT)
It is not a problem -- and done Annie 16:25, 19 July 2019 (EDT)

To the Dark Tower

Found the cover artist Lou Marchetti of this pub on artists website. --Zapp 18:02, 23 July 2019 (EDT)

Capitalization (and accents) variation in author credits

Hi. It's futile to try to make a title record that has an author credit differing only in capitalization or diacriticals/accents from an existing author record that is otherwise spelled the same. The software matches what you have provided to the existing entry -- despite those differences -- and uses the existing entry, essentially ignoring your variations. So the only way to have one title with LaDonna instead of Ladonna is to change the canonical author record to use LaDonna. Then all titles will have LaDonna instead of Ladonna. It's not currently possible to have some as LaDonna and others as Ladonna. I will take a look and see about changing the author record if LaDonna is predominant among the appearances of the titles we have. --MartyD 12:29, 11 August 2019 (EDT)

I edited the author record and changed it to LaDonna. --MartyD 12:38, 11 August 2019 (EDT)
Y'know, I wasn't trying to cause trouble, all I was trying to do put down her name as she lists it. Didn't know the trouble I was causing. Sorry. MLB 19:48, 11 August 2019 (EDT)
Oh, it wasn't any trouble. Just one of those ISFDB quirks that bites people, and it looked like you didn't know about it. --MartyD 06:33, 13 August 2019 (EDT)

The Wish List

In you credit the cover to "Keijiro Komine". Is this stated in the book? Can you add a pub note about it? I'd like to copy that information to other pubs with the same cover. --Stoecker 05:39, 18 August 2019 (EDT)

My health has been going sidewise for a while now and people have been shifting some of my stuff around, and during a recent hospital stay some stuff got really messed up. So, I don't really know where this book is. What I know is that Keijiro Komine is a real photographer and some of his stuff can be found on Getty Images. I also know that I wouldn't have listed Komine's name unless it had been mentioned in the book in someway. Until I find it I'll temp verify this book, although none of this answers your questions. MLB 18:21, 19 August 2019 (EDT)

"The Waters of a New World" submission

Hi. The submission I have on hold is presented as if the author is being changed, but it's being changed to the same author, so it's effectively doing nothing. I can't tell what you intended, so I decided to hold it and have you take a look in case something got lost. Thanks. --MartyD 07:25, 22 August 2019 (EDT)

No, my computer, stooopid computer, ate my first draft of this submission, so I quickly, and carelessly, did it a second time, leaving several mistakes in my wake. Most were corrected by the editor, but I mistakenly thought this author's name was not corrected, so I corrected a correction. Hardly a great mystery for the ages, but an explanation none-the-less. Hope this helps. MLB 14:16, 22 August 2019 (EDT)

Oriental Stories

Apparently it contained enough of our stories to have been considered genre and Miller/Contento added at last some issues to the checklists. So... guess it is one of ours :) Annie 17:44, 6 September 2019 (EDT)

Okay MLB 17:47, 6 September 2019 (EDT)
Thanks for adding all those reprints! We need them in the DB - although I did not need to know that they existed... :) Annie 17:48, 6 September 2019 (EDT)
Well, I'm not gonna read them all, but it's good to know that this part of early American puplishing is easily available to readers again. MLB 18:02, 6 September 2019 (EDT)

Protoplasmic Station

OK - I thought that we have the 2 separate reprint merged but apparently not. What are you trying to do here exactly? The unmerge you sent will split the short story into separate copies which is not what you are trying to do I think. The story is in one anthology here and one magazine. I know that some are reprinted twice - and these are in separate series the way you organize them but this one seems to have only one reprint. So... what are you trying to split from what? Annie 02:08, 7 September 2019 (EDT)

Same here - the "Thrilling Wonder Stories, April 1937" this one is the only publication on this title. You can change the series if it is wrong but there is nothing to split... Annie 02:11, 7 September 2019 (EDT)
Somebody tinkered with the Adventure House facsimile reprints and Pulp Tales Press Facsimile Reprints of the Thrilling Wonder Facsimile Reprints and combined them into one series (Thrilling Wonder Stories (reprints)). I was trying to keep things more organized. I created one series and carried on from an unknown editor with the other. I just want to put everything else in order. It's a bit tricky when dealing with magazines. MLB 02:37, 7 September 2019 (EDT)
So what I thought initially except in the wrong record. There are two problems:
Pulp ones and the Adventure ones are mixed in this series - so go through them and update the Pulp ones to get them out.
this one and this one were mixed with their counterparts so I pulled them out.
I will let you fix the series inside of the series and on these two. Maybe Pub Series would have worked better here but let's untangle and we will see after that. Annie

Editor Dates reminder

When you are making the yearly records for a magazine (the "Name - Year" naming), don't forget to fix the date as well - it should be yyyy-00-00 and not the month for whatever issue the record starts as. Thanks! :) Annie 17:42, 7 September 2019 (EDT)

Okay. Missed that. Still learning. Your job is entirely safe. For now. :) MLB 17:45, 7 September 2019 (EDT)

Renaming series

Moderators can rename series if needed - just ask on the Moderator board or on whoever is online's Talk page - no need to update a lot of publications if all of them just need to have the series renamed. Annie 02:46, 8 September 2019 (EDT)

Now you tell me. Anyway, thanks for the help over the last couple of days. I hope you're having a good weekend. MLB 02:50, 8 September 2019 (EDT)
Well, I approved them, figured I should mention there is another option. Had been hiding from the heat mostly. Hope you are feeling better  :) Annie 02:59, 8 September 2019 (EDT)

Open Letter to the World

Are you sure that this is a story? We have a same-named essay. Annie 22:46, 8 September 2019 (EDT)

I am such a NON-fan of this author, so I got sloppy. I'll fix. MLB 23:33, 8 September 2019 (EDT)

Jane Donawerth

Considering the volume of reviews, I think we should flip the canonical name of the author to the name used in this book :). Do you want to do it or do you want me to do it? Annie 23:30, 9 September 2019 (EDT)

Go right ahead. MLB 23:32, 9 September 2019 (EDT)
Done :) Annie 23:42, 9 September 2019 (EDT)
Thanx! MLB 01:21, 10 September 2019 (EDT)

Cloning back in time and contents

Just a quick reminder - when cloning to create an older edition, the contents of the book also need to have their dates changed. "Visionary II" for example seems to have all of its content original to it (so all internal contents match the date of the edition) - so when you cloned, it would have left the e-book with all titles after the pub date. And if the clone goes before an update, you need to do it one by one. So I changed all dates (via editPub - only 1 pub added so they could be changed that way in bulk) and then approved the clone) :) Annie 21:59, 15 September 2019 (EDT)

Now I know. I thought that if you changed the date on the book it automatically changed the date of the stories. Shows how little I know. Your job is still safe. MLB 22:05, 15 September 2019 (EDT)
Only if you empty the date fields so it can self-populate - then it gets it from the pub date. Changing the date of the anthology title record changes only that record. :) Annie 22:07, 15 September 2019 (EDT)

Weird prices

When you see a weird price like $13.21 and so on on a self-published or small press book, take a look at the other Amazons - UK, AU or CA. Usually it turns out that it is one of theirs and it has a nice round-ish price there. This one for example is a UK publication - so the price looks better in their currency. I changed it and updated your note with the details. Annie 22:09, 15 September 2019 (EDT)

Now I know. MLB 22:17, 15 September 2019 (EDT)

Small authors and all that

As you are working on authors very orderly, do you think that this may help you? Basically we have tens of thousands of ISBNs and ASINs that need processing - and Fixer can dump all he knows about an author in a list so an editor can work through them. Fixer also has ASIN only lists (no ISBN books) and I am sure he can also dump these if need be. You still may need to chase an edition or 10 but you will get a starting list. If you do not think that it will be helpful, no reason to participate but thought I should mention it. Fixer takes requests for authors/publishers if you are interested :) Annie 23:35, 15 September 2019 (EDT)

Due to my disability I can't always get to my own books. So, I decided to start adding the smaller writers to this site because nobody else was. I'll look at this list and see what I can do. MLB 00:17, 16 September 2019 (EDT)
You can also ask for a list for one of the authors you want to add (or find online or whatever) -- no need to work on a pre-existing list if nothing appeals. Annie 00:24, 16 September 2019 (EDT)

Typo in Nate Southard's Selected Stories?

Can you check the last word here (Bottle. Paper. Samuri.)? Because we have a story with similar spelling here(Bottle. Paper. Samurai.). I suspect that they are the same story? :) PS: I edited this one to capitalize "Is". Thanks for adding all of these! Annie 19:30, 16 September 2019 (EDT)

You're right. A typo. Will fix. MLB 21:24, 16 September 2019 (EDT)
Thanks! I merged it with its mate. I was actually just about to come ask you about the date update you just rejected - I had been fixing the dates before approving the clones (sorry, habit when I do not see a Title update in the queue - in case you wonder how the dates changed) and that one looked to be for the wrong book :) Annie 22:11, 16 September 2019 (EDT)

Lights Out pub date change

Are you sure about this one? Amazon supports the later date. Annie 02:11, 17 September 2019 (EDT)

Go here. MLB 02:16, 17 September 2019 (EDT)
Forgot to list Goodreads as a source. Sorry. MLB 02:17, 17 September 2019 (EDT)
Oh I see what I did wrong. Will fix. MLB 02:18, 17 September 2019 (EDT)
(as I was typing while you were figuring it out, I will leave it here anyway): But this GR record is for "Hardcover, Black Voltage Edition, signed limited to 60 numbered copies" and not the tp. GR still shows the tp with the 2013 date. Or am I misreading this? Looks like the one you have is ok, you just found another edition that needs adding. Isn't it fun sometimes? :)Annie 02:22, 17 September 2019 (EDT)
Isn't this one that you pointed out to me, this one? Not mine. This one was already here. MLB 02:41, 17 September 2019 (EDT)
Indeed :) I think we have them all now. Thanks for rechecking! Annie 02:49, 17 September 2019 (EDT)

Lady Dragon

You edited instead of cloning here so I rejected it after verifying that tp edition really exists. Annie 19:31, 20 September 2019 (EDT)

Future Dyke

I approved the renames based on Amazon and Worldcat as well but something kept bugging me and I went looking deeper. The author calls it FutureDyke on her FB page and the write up on her on Bella Books does not have a space. Neither do the Strange Horizon review: here and the Lambda awards nominees announcement. So I am starting to think that there is no space in there. What do you think? Annie 02:55, 21 September 2019 (EDT)

I don't know, but I guess that the author and publisher should be listened to before anybody else. You want me to change them? MLB 03:02, 21 September 2019 (EDT)
Nah, I will do it - I should have checked better before approving :)
The deed is done. I will also see if I can get my library to get me an ILL copy of that book (because they do not have it) so I can look at that title page (I really do not like mysteries like that) :) Annie 03:17, 21 September 2019 (EDT)

Possible typo

Here. Foreward or Foreword? Annie 20:11, 21 September 2019 (EDT)


Are you sure about this one? The cover looks wrong in both Amazon and GR for the e-version and the LCCN and OCLC are for the paperback, not the e-version. Annie 00:44, 23 September 2019 (EDT)

Okay here is the e-book and the paperback versions of the covers and I can't see any difference. Do you want me to delete the LCCN and OCLC? MLB 01:11, 23 September 2019 (EDT)
One looks black (the paperback one), the other one faded and/or grey to me. I usually change the link to Amazon between versions of the book even if they look exactly the same - using what Amazon had attached to that version specifically. This way I do not need to decide if they are the same - if it is there, it belongs to the book :)
For the LCCN and OCLC - yes - they do not belong to this book so they should not be in its external IDs. And looking at other editions in WorldCat, there is no OCLC record for the ebook at all. Annie 01:18, 23 September 2019 (EDT)
It's just a bad scan. But I'll change it 'cuz you're the boss. I'll fix the other stuff too. MLB 01:22, 23 September 2019 (EDT)
You are most likely correct :) But if we link to the same Amazon image and it decides to disappear (things happen albeit extremely rarely with these images), we will lose the cover for more than one book. :) Annie 02:01, 23 September 2019 (EDT)

A Matter of Degrees

Can you look at these (in the morning...) :) ? They share an ISBN, one is pb and the rest tp but with the same number of pages. It looks a bit weird. I will also check them again in the morning - I won't recognize a correct ISBN if it bites me at the moment anymore... :) Annie 02:47, 23 September 2019 (EDT)

Well, first of all this one is not mine. I couldn't track it down, but somebody had a reference for it, so I left it alone. MLB 03:31, 23 September 2019 (EDT)
This one is copied from here and here. MLB 03:31, 23 September 2019 (EDT)

Deserted Echo

Updated the publisher for this one from Sapphire Books to Sapphire Books Publishing - we already had 9 under Sapphire Books Publishing and Fantastic Fiction also has the publishing and the rest of her books are under that name (Although this is straight from Amazon so who knows). We can always swap the publisher name if we ever see a title page and see how they call themselves... :) Annie 19:12, 1 October 2019 (EDT)

Okay. Now I know. MLB 23:27, 1 October 2019 (EDT)

Demon within

About that last rejection. Apparently an earlier update went awry - the new date was in the pages field. :) once I saw it, I edited and readjusted all dates. Should be looking all done now. Annie 07:17, 2 October 2019 (EDT)

Cover design vs Cover artist

Hi Mark,

The current practice (and the help page - see the last sentence in the Artist section) is to record the cover artist (if any) in the Coverart record and the cover designer only in the notes (So no artist, no coverart for that specific book). This one seems to have only a credit for a design, not for the art (unless I missed it somewhere)

And yeah - we do have enough designers all over the place but if discovered by a PV or someone checking, they get ejected and asked to vacate the premises... :) Annie 00:58, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

Ummm, the page that you've directed me to, was my page. Nothing personal towards me, but Mark Louis Baumgart ain't no artist, and I ain't saying that to hurt my own feelings. MLB 01:07, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
How did that happen and what did I click on/copied while passing through your main page in wiki to get to this one - I swear, my mouse pad has a mind of its own. This is what I was going for... :) Annie 01:21, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

Changing dates

When trying to re-date a complete book (with contents), doing just this is not enough to change the contents dates. Every item that already has a date keeps its original date (unlike the case when you are adding a new publication and we populate automatically).

What needs to be done is to edit every field which has the old date and put in a new date (next to the cover image if any and next to each content item). If you look at the edit screen, see all those "2019-09-02" in the contents section? They all need changing. I restored the date to the publication itself (because the paperback is on the second, it is the only date that does not need changing :)

If I approve the clone now, then we will need to update each of these titles one by one. So I will keep the clone on hold for now - would you like to try to submit the complete PubEdit and then I will approve the clone after that. Alternatively I can do the complete PubEdit this time and you can just keep that in mind for the future. Annie 18:11, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

Please stop. You do NOT need to update every title separately yet. Please read what I explained above and let me know if it is not clear so I can explain again. When an anthology/collection has only 1 publication and its stories are not reprinted, you can change the date of the complete contents with 1 edit. I will approve what you are doing now but at least look at the alternative I am offering.... Annie 18:48, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
I think that I misunderstood. I'll cancel what I've done, and change what you want. Let's hope I get it right this time. MLB 18:55, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
Sorry about that - I tried to explain as well as I could... That was almost perfect. You missed one - the collection Title record itself - after the publication is created, the publication and the title are separate entities with separate dates. I fixed that now (see this submission so now I can approve the clone. Thanks! :) Annie 19:07, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

Touch of Shadow

Hello again,

Did some changes to this one - see the last note in the list and the new series name. Feel free to edit again if you want. I have no idea where Amazon pulled the original title from "Touch of Shadow: A Baylee Scott Paranormal Mystery: October" (the October part is nowhere on the title page...). Annie 18:25, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

I suspect that Amazon often lists products early, and when the final product is available they don't bother changing the pre-production proofs. I'd like to know why books often have two different covers, one on Goodreads and one on Amazon. MLB 18:40, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
With e-books, sometimes it is because it was reissued silently... With paperbooks - sometimes either Amazon or GR has a much earlier record and it never gets fixed. Between small presses and older books, you will see everything (as you know...) :) Annie 18:45, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
Then there are those print-on-demand vanity presses that seem to revise contents, or change covers on a whim! Aaaarrrrggghhh! MLB 18:48, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
I've been adding some smaller authors lately as well so yeah... it is a nightmare. The modern days of publishing I guess. :) Annie 19:10, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

Time for another archive?

Can we archive the older messages from this page? The thing is getting too long (I know, I am to blame mostly) :)

Let me know if you need assistance with that! Annie 19:56, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

Okay. I am embarrassed to state that I've forgotten how to do it. MLB 21:15, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
Do you want me to give you the step by step or to do it for you? Or both? :) Annie 21:27, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
Step by step, I have to know how to do it. MLB 21:29, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
  • Open a new page for the archive. The easiest way is to go to your old archives and open the last one. Then look at the browser address bar. Your latest ends up in "2016Jul-Dec" (this one. Change that last part 2016Jul-Dec to something else. 2017-2018 for example. Or whatever you want it to be called
  • It will show you the "There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page title in other pages or edit this page." message. Click on "edit this page".
  • In a separate browser tab or browser, press Edit on your main talk page (which will open this. Now move all the messages you want from this one into the one that we opened before. Leave the very first line in place (as it points to your archive page).
  • When you are done moving messages, save both pages. Use "Show Preview to make sure it looks as you want it to.
  • Now get to your main archive page here and press Edit at the top
  • Copy the very last line one more time at the bottom and edit it: Now the last component is "2016Jul-Dec Archives: January-June 2017". Replace "2016Jul-Dec" with whatever you typed in the first step and the thing after the : is for your reference soup to you
  • Save this one and you are all set.
If something goes wrong we have revert so we can easily restore and try again and I am here if you need me :) Annie 21:57, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
It took a while, but I think I got it. MLB 02:08, 4 October 2019 (EDT)
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