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Hi. I have an editor proposing to change the publisher in your verified {{P|273953|This Is Not a Game}} from "Orbit" to "Orbit (US)" based on ISBN and price. Let me know what you think. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:41, 30 June 2018 (EDT)
Hi. I have an editor proposing to change the publisher in your verified {{P|273953|This Is Not a Game}} from "Orbit" to "Orbit (US)" based on ISBN and price. Let me know what you think. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:41, 30 June 2018 (EDT)
:I ended up accepting the proposed change. Please review. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 19:21, 9 July 2018 (EDT)

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Open items, March 2008, October 2008, February 2009, August 2009, 2010

August 2014 status update

To reduce the talk size I've parked many submissions to /Open items. I'm in the middle of reorganizing my collection so that I can find the publications. --Marc Kupper|talk 21:13, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

The Fall of the Towers

You have verified this. Please enter the discussion on the community portal whether we can eliminate two title records that are included in your pubs. Thanks, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 18:52, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Amitav Ghosh

I've posted a message about this author concerning his non-fiction and non-genre work. As the only verifier of a publication of one of those titles, your opinion would be welcome. Thanks. Mhhutchins 01:49, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Deleting is fine and so I added a note about that plus deleted the non-genre publications though left the title records for now. --Marc Kupper|talk 01:57, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

The Third Galaxy Reader

I have a copy of this pub that you verified. I took the liberty to change the name of the author of the story "Ends as a World" from "Floyd L. Wallace" to "F. L. Wallace", because that's what is on the title page 37. Cheers, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 17:39, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

"The Best Japanese Science Fiction Stories", by Martin Greenberg & John Apostolou

In your verified publication, two stories by Hanmura Ryo are listed in our record as by "Ryo Hammura". Could you verify that the "double-M" in Hammura is how it's actually listed? I was trying to set up pseudonyms for the author, and want to make sure that this was an actual error in the book's listing. Chavey 01:43, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I can't find my copy at present though saw it a few weeks ago when I was sorting out the paperback collection. I can get both the Dembner and Barricade editions from my public library system and so have requested both.
My notes from when I read the anthology has:
8/2/2005 This contains 13 short stories:
• "The Flood (Kozui)" (N/A) by Kobo Abe
• "Cardboard Box" (1974) by Ryo Hammura
• "Tansu" (1983) by Ryo Hammura
• "Bokko-chan" (1963) by Shinichi Hoshi
• "He—y, Come on Ou—t!" (1978) by Shinichi Hoshi
• "The Road to the Sea" (1981) by Takashi Ishikawa
• "The Empty Field" (1973) by Morio Kita
• "The Savage Mouth" (1979) by Sakyo Komatsu
• "Take Your Choice" (1987) by Sakyo Komatsu
• "Triceratops" (1982) by Tensei Kono
• "Fnifmum" (1989) by Taku Mayumura
• "Standing Woman" (1974) by Yasutaka Tsutsui
• "The Legend of the Paper Spaceship" (1986) by Tetsu Yano
It's possible I copy/pasted from those notes to make the ISFDB record and missed Hanmura vs. Hammura. I saw that the library also has Musubi no Yama Hiroku and so requested that too. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:46, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for checking. I entered "Musubi no Yama Hiroku" based on the description in Wikipedia, plus info from WorldCat, but it would be nice to have an actual verification. SFE, Wikipedia, and WorldCat all spell his name "Hanmura", but with variations of "Ryo" and the orderings of the two names. Chavey 05:32, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Two of the books came in.
  • The Barricade Books edition of The Best Japanese Science Fiction Stories uses "Ryo Hanmura" consistently. I'll do a transient verification this weekend.
  • Unfortunately, I was not paying attention and did not realize the library copy of Musubi no Yama Hiroku is a Japanese language edition meaning I got "産霊山秘録" by 半村 良 published by 角川文庫 (Kadokawa bunko) in what looks like April 1978. 528 pages in a pb size hardcover. The word "文庫" (bunko) means pocket editions. --Marc Kupper|talk 02:27, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
I have both the Dembner and Barricade editions in hand now. You were correct in that it's Ryo Hanmura and so merged/edited to replace "Hammura" with "Hanmura." The main open item now is if we should use Ryo Hanmura or Ryō Hanmura instead of Hanmura Ryo for the canonical name. --Marc Kupper|talk 08:10, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Canonical name

I'm thinking the canonical name for the author should be Ryo Hanmura and not Hanmura Ryo. The Japanese convention is to use the last name first. A Japanese language publication will have 半村 (Hanmura) followed by 良 (Ryo). Romanji is a writing system that uses English letters to spell out how Japanese words should be pronounced. It was developed so that missionaries could read to Japanese audiences. Thus, a Romanji work intended to be read to Japanese listeners would use "Hanmura Ryo" as that's the naming convention the Japanese expect and use. The western convention is First-name Last-name meaning a translator of a work to English usually flips the names around so that they read as "Ryo Hanmura".

In looking at Hanmura's Summary Bibliography the bulk of the titles are in the Kanpon yōseiden series. All of the titles/publications in this series are Japanese language works. There are no English translations. The Romanji titles used on ISFDB come from secondary sources. One puzzle is that all of the sources used to construct this series state the author name as Ryō Hanmura, not "Hanmura Ryo." I'm wondering if someone renamed 13542.

All of those titles were entered by me. I did not necessarily view the sources as authoritative regarding the romanization of the name, e.g. since they disagreed on both "Ryō" vs. "Ryo" and on the ordering of the names: Wikipedia and WorldCat put "Hanmura" last, but SFE puts "Hanmura" first. Since I wasn't sure, I just used the canonical name we already had listed. But that should not be used as evidence in favor of that variant of the name. However, the Help screens are very adamant that authors' names should be entered "exactly as they are entered in the publication" (emphasis theirs), and that includes the order of personal name vs. family name. That seems to extend to the choice of canonical names as well. I just spot checked some Hungarian authors, who also use Family_Name Personal_Name ordering, and all the ones I found had the canonical name listed in that ordering (e.g. Szepes Maria.) It doesn't seem to have made it into the Help screens, but this discussion seems to be the basis for that conclusion. That would imply that the canonical name should be either "Hanmura Ryō" or "Hanmura Ryo". Chavey 10:26, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
Template:AuthorFields:CanonicalName is silent on the order. The discussion thread you found seems to be more about how to handle the legal name field.
Mr. Hanmura's "most recognized name" in Japan seems to be 半村 良. I'd lean towards using Ryō Hanmura on ISFDB as the "most recognized name" for the English world as that's what Wikipedia uses. Wikipedia tries to use the most widely recognized name in their article titles. Unfortunately, Mr. Hanmura is not well known, particularly outside Japan, meaning his article has not received a lot of scrutiny.
Ultimately, the canonical name used at the author level can be whatever we decide. The publication records need to match what's stated and also need to get filed under title records where the author names match. If needed, you variant title the title records to title records that match the canonical name.
Usually we go by a subjective "most recognized name" standard to decide on the canonical name. If there does not seem to be a "most recognized name" name we use the name that has the most published titles, mainly to reduce the number of variant titles. Brian W. Aldiss is an example of someone with quite a bit of work using the name "Brian Aldiss".
It appears that translators of Hungarian works were consistent in using the "Last First" form of the author names in the translated works. That gave us a "most recognized name" standard to use on ISFDB.
In the case of Mr. Hanmura, it's all over the map as publications have used Ryō Hanmura, Ryo Hanmura, Hanmura Ryo, and Hanmura Ryō. There's very little translated work that would have helped to set a standard.
It's getting late here but I'd want to look at Birthplace Japan to see if a pattern has developed on ISFDB. I don't think I'll have much time for ISFDB this coming weekend and so may defer the project until next week. --Marc Kupper|talk 09:01, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't have a strong opinion for using Ryō Hanmura vs. Ryo Hanmura. The difference is because there are several Romanji systems. Some of them use "o" and the others "ō" for the same sound. An "o" is easier for me to type. :-) The author's Wikipedia article uses Ryō Hanmura. Wikipedia's choice of "Ryō" comes from a combination of MOS Japan-related articles Romanization and MOS Japan-related articles#Names and product titles. --Marc Kupper|talk 04:16, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't know enough about the Romanization to have an informed decision here, but Wikipedia and SFE both use Ryō, so my inclination would be to go with that. Chavey 10:26, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
I went ahead with the first fix which was to make the name Ryō Hanmura. In doing this I found that title records used Ryō and not Ryō. Those look exactly the same but are not. The first is Ryō and the latter is Ryō ̄ is a U+0304 (Combining macron) meaning it backspaces to the previous character and slaps a macron over it. ō is a U+014D (Latin small letter O with macron). I fixed the title record to use ō.

Title / Publication author credit mismatch

The author of this publication doesn't match the author of the title record. It will have to be unmerged, creating its own title record, which can then be varianted to the canonical author credit. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:27, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

I had seen there was a mismatch but did not think it created a problem. The publication record had a link to back to the title and the title record listed the publication. It seemed to be displaying things correctly. It used be that publications were linked to title records by matching the titles. At some point a "container title" field was added to the publication record. It points back to the title record using its record number meaning the titles can differ.
I went ahead with the unmerge/VT fix in case there was an issue you knew of. --Marc Kupper|talk 04:47, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
The database requires that the author of the publication record match exactly the author credit of the title record. Otherwise, a pseudonym and variant must be created (unless a matching variant title already exists in the database.) Mhhutchins 04:55, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
BTW, there is a clean-up report that finds such mismatches. It was the report that brought this record to my attention. Mhhutchins 05:23, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Philip Jose Farmer's To Your Scattered Bodies Go

Replaced the Amazon image of Philip Jose Farmer's To Your Scattered Bodies Go with one I scanned. You are listed as Primary reference. Doug 13:57, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Fritz Leiber's Swords Against Wizardry

You had verified this pub of Fritz Leiber's Swords Against Wizardry. My copy had a list of publication dates, including one for this sixth printing. I have updated the date and notes for the publication. If your copy does not include the dates, please let me know and I'll split the publication. Thanks Doug 14:17, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

I added the Canadian price and number line to your verified

I added the Canadian price and number line to your verified [1].Don Erikson 19:06, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Roger Zelazny's The Guns of Avalon

Just wanted to propose some changes to Roger Zelazny's The Guns of Avalon. You had ◦The front cover has "Avon/3113/$1.50," the spine has "380-3112-150 plus 0-380-00083-0," and the copyright page has "ISBN: 0-380-00083-0." . My copy has Avon/31112/$150 and 380-31112-150. I'd also like to replace your cover image, the price and catalogue number do not appear to be from this copy. This copy also has the same ad/date as the 4th edition, which should be noted without changing the date. Doug 20:31, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Updated the existing entry as noted above. Doug 21:50, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Roger Zelazny Knight of Shadows

I have what seems to be a copy of this pub except your comments have "$4.50 in Canada", while my copy has $4.95 (as does the image). I've pointed all verifiers to this topic, may we have a vote? Thanks. Doug 00:21, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

No votes necessary. It's $4.95 and already changed by someone. --Willem H. 19:37, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Anne Frank collection

Re [ this publication: The non-genre stories by this non-genre author should be removed from the record and deleted from the database. If you can't determine which ones are spec-fic, the entire works should be deleted. The nonfiction essays should not have been included either. Mhhutchins 04:19, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Satellite City

FYI, a new editor has changed the catalog ID of Mack Reynolds' Satellite City to a derived ISBN. After checking my copy, I accepted the submission and added/clarified Notes. Ahasuerus 22:09, 27 November 2014 (UTC)


Added cover scan and notes to Maverick.SFJuggler 05:18, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

More Soviet Science Fiction

Added cover scan and notes to More Soviet Science Fiction.SFJuggler 03:33, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Updated cover image for The Gentle Giants of Ganymede

Hey, just to let you know that I uploaded a better quality image - --Thync 17:46, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:18, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

I added the Canadian price to your verified

I added the Canadian price to your verified [2].Don Erikson 23:08, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

I added the Canadian price to your verified

I added the Canadian price to your verified [3].Don Erikson 23:44, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

How Precious Was That While

Added the Canadian cover price to your verified copy. PeteYoung 17:45, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Map in The Heritage of Hastur

Please join in this discussion regarding the map in The Heritage of Hastur. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:35, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

DAW Tough Guide to Fantasyland

Hi, Marc. Previously I have two contributions to the database (two edits only), none here.

I have in hand a copy of DWJones, The Tough Guide to Fantasyland

DAW Books edition, ISBN matches only one record now in the database but I find (a) no date except 1996 copyright, (b) no printing number, (c) no price, (d) no explicit notice of Science Fiction Book Club but "01960" does appear on dustjacket (back, lower right corner). A local library decal covers the logo(?) at bottom of spine.

The last non-blank page would be number 302 but the numbers end at 299. The last three pages --one page each for X, Y, Z-- are not numbered.

Regarding your main note on the interior illustrations, with four subpoints:

  • p. 85 and 155 (flipped): lettering under tail is mirror at p. 85, normal at p. 155, but the lettering is almost clear and nearly readable at p. 85 only --as if p. 85 with mirror lettering were original and p. 155 an imperfect copy. As mirrored I think I see first letter Y, last two letters E and D. Except for the last letter that seems D, the word might be Bestiary or February.

Seven letters, not eight. One by one they look to me most like DEDIAMV. The first two alone seem clear, the last clearly V or Y.

  • p. 95: "J.W.", i agree --but this is page 92

It seems to be signed also on the left border, "JCM" or "HM" (no dots) where J or the left half of H is very light as if the engraving were too shallow there, or not inked.

  • p. 104: perhaps "DiFate" is cut off at lower right but there is a complete signature at lower left, looks like "J. W. Wood" --do you really have unreadable caption? there is no hint of a caption here, where the fish is almost flushbottom on the page

Looks more like "J. W. Wiod" where 'i' is iota slightly below the line. The manuscript at lower right is too long for "DiFate" and does not clearly end with numerals.

  • p. 222: "ANON", i agree

Not clear but probable in this context. Not clearly uppercase (as I first thought) or lowercase. I have not looked closely at any other illustrations, yet.

I will try to remember to look for a magnifying glass at home tonight.

--Pwendt 00:10, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

P.S. Departing this site and seat, I notice and its blank discussion page. I don't know anything about these back pages here, only by experience at en.wikipedia --Pwendt 00:16, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Having viewed all illustrations under the magnifying glass, new remarks are green.
  • There may be scribbled signatures pp. 66, 94, or 282. P66, low on left border behind soldier's right calf running 8:00 to 2:00. P94, low on left border beside spy's right knee; if these were my notes from some lecture on a serious subject I would guess "Marx". P282, middle of left border, beside right elbow.
Not much help.
Tell me whether you think this copy of the book needs a new entry. --Pwendt 22:02, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
It appears you can use the record at Some older ISFDB records often contain data where we failed to note the source. In this case I would add a note explaining:
  • The publication has (a) no date except 1996 copyright, (b) no printing number, (c) no price, (d) no explicit notice of Science Fiction Book Club but "01960" does appear on dustjacket (back, lower right corner)
  • Prior to primary verification this ISFDB publication record reported a date of 1999-02-00 and the price $9.98. Neither of these are stated in the publication. The source for 1999-02-00 and $9.98 is unknown but is assumed to be reliable.
I leave the 1999-02-00 and $9.98 values in the record and change the page count to 299. The reason for handling the page count differently is that ISFDB uses different rules for counting pages than publishers. A publisher nearly always reports the physical page count and they include the preliminary matter (title page, copyright page) and the blank or advertising pages at the end in their count. The odds are high that 1999-02-00, $9.98, and 302 pages are from an SFBC order form. As the counting rules are different and we don't know for sure the source for "302 pages" I usually almost never add a note about that the record used to show the page count as 302. Sometimes I have included a note that the last numbered page is 299 and is followed by three blank pages.
I can't find my copy at the moment to double check it against your comments. I'll take a look for it, particularly to confirm my comment about the caption on page 104 and to double-check to see if the second illustration is on page 95 vs 92. --Marc Kupper|talk 14:15, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
I bought a copy of the DAW Books/SFBC edition this week. The illusstrations are there, but I can't shed a light on any of the signatures. Sorry, --Willem 18:08, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Marc. Now i don't have the copy at hand but I'll get back to it.
One point must have been unclear. Printed page numbers run to 299 on the last W page. There are three more printed pages --one each for X, Y, and Z-- that should be numbered 300 to 302 for consistency. --User talk:Pwendt Pwendt 21:42, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

I have the same copy out of the same library again. The difference here is that User:Willem H. (who interjects above) has primary verified the record with its "publ date and price unknown". Beside what I reported previously,

By the way I wonder whether there is a way to ascertain whether ISBN 1-56865 means SFBC definitively. --Pwendt|talk 20:00, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

"Burn" by James Patrick Kelly

Hi. I just saw that your primary verfied publication of "Burn" by James Patrick Kelly contains a NOVELLA "Burn" and a NOVEL "Burn", both in just 178 pages. Is it possible that the NOVEL "Burn" is a wrong entry and should be deleted? I haven't found any information that the novella was expanded into a novel subsequently. Hitspacebar 19:11, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

I sampled a few pages and came up with a word count of 40,000. Based on that I changed the novel to a chapbook containing the novella of the same name. Initially I was not sure if the reprints were abridged. The publication is 8.25" by 5.375" which is larger than a paperback and is 178 pages. They padded it out by using a slightly larger font, spacing the lines apart, and slightly wider margins. --Marc Kupper|talk 21:58, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Tanya Huff's Smoke & Ashes

I'd like to add some detail to and remove the interior art as there IS no interior art... I believe as primary verify-er I need your permission? Here's what I'd like to add other than removing the dustjacket design credit as interior art:

  • $32.5Can
  • Jacket designed by G-Force Design
  • (change wording to match) DAW Books Collectors No. 1365
  • Book designed by Elizabeth M. Glover
  • (change) First Printing, June 2006
    first printing per number line
  • OCLC: <a href=>70082565</a>

OK? Susan O'Fearna 06:50, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Those are all fine. As it needed multiple approval steps I went ahead with deleting the dustjacket design. --Marc Kupper|talk 19:48, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Susan O'Fearna 21:09, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Newcomer signature

Thanks for the welcome, Marc. Do I need a main User page in order for the four tildes to generate a User talk page link? Moments ago I added the latter manually, just above. --Pwendt 21:46, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

King's Bazaar

Re this record: It is ISFDB policy (may not actually be stated) that records shouldn't be created for works with publication dates beyond 90 days. Anything beyond that should be handled with caution, and probably be entered with a publication date of 9999 which is displayed as "Forthcoming". There are too many factors that could cause the data to change in a book scheduled for publication seven months away. Also, it has an ISBN-10 which should be changed to the ISBN-13. (This is what brought the record to my attention when it showed up on a clean-up report.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 06:13, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Are you familiar with the "pipe" system to order contents without page numbers? It's a relatively new feature and explained here. I would suggest using it in place of the page numbers currently given in the record. Mhhutchins 06:18, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks - what happened was I was verifying a publication that had a short story. The Wikipedia article for that story mentioned that it was also published in King's Bazaar and Wikpedia already had an article at The Bazaar of Bad Dreams for the collection. I suspect had it been a lesser known author the article would have been deleted as being speculation about a future event. I went ahead with adding it to ISFDB. I wondered if 2015-11-03 was too far in the future but used it as it's a Stephen King collection. It seemed unlikely the publishers would change the date as the author only needs to write three new stories. I was surprised the cover art was not available yet and that gave me pause on if I should use 2015-11-03. I have changed the publication and title records to use 9999-00-00.
9999-00-00 is not mentioned on Template:PublicationFields:Year nor does that page mention anything about 90 days. If 90 days has been agreed on then I suspect we should have a moderator warning that also shows how many days in the future the date is.
Thank you for the reminder on the piped numbers. I recall reading about that when it was added but never thought I'd use the feature as 99% of the time I only edit ISFDB when I have the publication in hand and so forgot about it. I fixed the publication record to use pipes.
Good catch on the ISBN-10. I assume you already fixed it as the record has 978-1-5011-1167-9. I checked the publisher's April 2015 books and they only have ISBN-13s on the copyright page. --Marc Kupper|talk 20:50, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Changes to Rosemary and Rue

I've made some changes to your verified copy of Rosemary and Rue. I added to the Notes about the cover, and added the pronunciation guide and excerpt to the contents. BungalowBarbara 00:47, 24 April 2015 (UTC)


I have changed the cover art credit for your verified Mysteria from 'Phil Hefferman' to 'Phil Heffernan'. Normally I'd wait for confirmation from the primary verifier, but Amazon Look Inside has a scan of the verified version (vice a later ebook version) and the copyright page shows the credit as Heffernan so it seems pretty clearly a database typo. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:35, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Submissions on Hold...

I have some e-book submissions on hold by you that I've replied some time ago to... I think they may have fallen through the cracks :D 19:14, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Marc, these submissions should be cleared from the queue. So please determine whether they should be accepted or rejected. If you're not certain, remove the hold and let another moderator make the determination. Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:59, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Fixed. --Marc Kupper|talk 20:46, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

"Foreigner", by C. J. Cherryh

You and I both verified this 5th printing of the pb edition, with an unknown publication date. The list of publications in the front of the book implies that this was most likely published in 1995 (see publication notes for details), so I entered that as a publication date for it. If you think that evidence is insufficient, you can change it back to "0000". Chavey 21:48, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Your publication note looks good. Usually when I add a note like that I leave the date at 0000 but don't have a strong opinion one way or another. --Marc Kupper|talk 22:56, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

The Hugo Winners, Volumes One and Two

When you find the time, could you please have a look at this verification request, you are one of the primary verifiers of the book in question. Thanks, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 14:48, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the heads up. I added a comment to that thread. --Marc Kupper|talk 19:45, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

The Ragged Astrronauts

Replaced cover of this book with full wraparound version. Also wanted to check as my Baen copy has ISBN 0-671-65644-9 under the Library of Congress Catalogue in Publication Data. I'll add that to note. --Mavmaramis 17:13, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Secondhand Magic

This publication is more than five months away from being published and should not have been entered into the database. You've also given it an ISBN-10 when it very likely will have an ISBN-13. But in five months any number of things may have changed before this book is published. That's the reason we've set the 3-month limit. I trust that you will personally keep an eye on this record and make sure that the data remains correct. Thanks. Mhhutchins 06:32, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

I started Rules and standards discussions#Publication/title dates and future publications as I did not see anything in the existing rules about three months.
I added a reminder-thing to myself to check up on the publication and Amazon in a few months to see if they are still on target. It's a planned reprint though I don't know if that improves or lowers the chance of RandomHouse ever releasing it. Besides individual titles they have been reprinting that author's books in collections of three and so far have released three collections with another coming up in October. There was fifth collection planned for January 1, 2035 (20 years from now!) but between last night and today the publisher deleted it.
Did you fix the ISBN? It was already an ISBN-13 when I looked. --Marc Kupper|talk 01:06, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
I fixed the ISBN because it showed up on a clean-up report. That's the only reason I know about the record at all. Believe it or not, I don't go behind every editor to check his submissions. :) Mhhutchins 01:55, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 :-) I had assumed it showed up on a report of pubs/titles more than three months out. That brings up a point in that the data entry front end and/or moderator interface could be checking the ISBN length vs. the date and warning people. I've accidentally entered ISBN10s a couple of times now when entering data from Amazon. Is there a tool available to automatically generate and insert a new-publication record based on an ISBN or ASIN? It would be like Fixer except you'd give it the ISBN or ASIN to fetch from Amazon and it'll do a new-pub on your behalf. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:13, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Fun & Games at the Whacks Museum

I added a cover scan to Fun & Game at the Whacks Museum, which you verified without a cover. Susan O'Fearna 08:55, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Default display of non-English translations

When you get a chance, could you please review this discussion? The proposal basically boils down to changing the behavior of the Summary Bibliography when the viewing user is not logged in. Currently only English translations are displayed for unauthenticated users. The proposal would change it to displaying all translations. The downside is that the Summary page could get longer and harder to navigate.

I am trying to get a sense of how widespread the support for this change is. TIA! Ahasuerus 01:03, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Author Update

I added the required country to the birthplace field of this author. Mhhutchins|talk 07:36, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

And to this author, this one, and this one. These appear on a clea, [n-up report which finds invalid birthplace fields. Mhhutchins|talk 07:38, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I had wondered about that earlier today. At the time I looked the help was silent on if adding the country is required but now I need to find that help page. The hover-text and Template:AuthorFields:BirthPlace for edit-author seem clear enough. When I looked earlier today I was looking at a page that suggested the order of things but did not say if "Los Angles, California" was sufficient or if I should add ", USA" to that. I'll take a look at the other authors I updated though it seems the cleanup report got all of them. --Marc Kupper|talk 07:45, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Standard titles for maps as INTERIORART

I changed the title of this record from "Map Art (Too Far)" to "Too Far (map)". Mhhutchins|talk 07:41, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. I forgot about the "Too Far (map)" thing as it's not your typical fantasy book map. It's a really nice illustration where someone then spent hours carefully chopping it in quarters so that it could be printed on four glossy pages. I had thought they were separately drawn illustrations until I saw the original and then looked for a while admiring how they cut it up for publication and forgetting "Too Far (map)". :-) --Marc Kupper|talk 07:57, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Serial version of Triplanetary

Please join this discussion when you get a chance. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 17:07, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Dragonflight seventh printing

Re this record: It appears to be a duplicate of a verified August 1976 printing, except that the publication date of yours is given as August 1978. We have a record for an October 1977 tenth printing with a different ISBN and price. So it's not likely that they went back to a price and ISBN issued in 1976 for a 1978 printing (not to mention the printing number discrepancy.) Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins|talk 23:47, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

This is fixed. I had the wrong date and the 2nd verifier must have missed that. The odd thing is I had the correct date in my spreadsheet and usually I copy/paste things like that. Is there a merge-publication feature available? Don Erikson verified 272333 and ideally that gets shifted to 120351. --Marc Kupper|talk 04:57, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
Publication records can't be merged. One must be deleted. You and the other verifiers need to reconcile the data into one of the records, verify it, and then delete the other. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mhhutchins (talkcontribs) . 05:11, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

The Castaways of Tanagar

Added a better cover scan to The Castaways of Tanagar.SFJuggler 01:34, 25 October 2015 (UTC)


Please add the correct pub format/binding to this record. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 01:49, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Fixed and thanks for the heads up as I also realized I'd gotten distracted and forgotten to add the starting page # for the story. You can't enter that on the new-pub form and instead need to go back in with edit-pub. --Marc Kupper|talk 04:26, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

A Wizard of Earthsea

You verified A Wizard of Earthsea 16th printing US pb edition [4], as did User:MartyD.

1. I plan to change credits for "About the Author" and "About the Illustrator" from Le Guin and Robbins to "uncredited" as for other printings of the book, eg 4th printing [5].

2. The Notes imply to me a transcript from the 16th ed. copyright page: a list of dates for the 1st to 14th printings that omits the 15th. Is that correct?

--Pwendt|talk 18:36, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Template:PublicationInfo:WhatToInclude is silent on how to best credit "About the Author" style essays but that's fine with me. I had been crediting the person it was about as that would make it far easier to track down the "About" essays for a given person. I don't have a strong opinion about doing it that way or using "uncredited" which better follows a by-the-book reading of the help pages on how to do things.
I agree with you.
Yes, that's how I read the notes. Unfortunately, I piled a bunch of stuff in front of the shelf where those books are and so it'll be painful to check my copy. Normally those publications would be dated 0000-00-00 but this one got a date from the printing history in the 17th printing which has both a printing history and a number line. --Marc Kupper|talk 22:51, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
Probably it is not useful to check. I consulted Mhhutchins about our compilations by title at Author:Ursula K. Le Guin. Now I think it will be ok, at least for the Earthsea trilogy, briefly to link those compilations such as from Notes in our publication records such as (and I submitted such a pub update for the example given, last hour). --Pwendt|talk 23:10, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
(1) I have no objection to changing the credits, although I should note the "About the Author" closely resembles this bio (now updated 2015) on Le Guin's website. --MartyD 11:51, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
(2) The copyright page listing matches what's in the notes: Dates through the 14th printing (December 1980), no mention of 15th, and number line of 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16. --MartyD 11:51, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, MartyD.
Marc Kupper, moments ago i continued section 22 #DAW Tough Guide to Fantasyland. --Pwendt|talk 20:03, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Time at the Top, Peggy/Peggie Bach

Hi, Marc. (Regarding Earthsea immediately above i will have transient access again for a few days after Christmas and tie up loose ends then, i hope.)

For a 1982 edition of Time at the Top by Ormondroyd Publ Record # 233049 you verify interior artwork Peggy Bach and also a closing essay "About the Illustrator". The image we display is not the original cover probably by Bach. I wonder whether the displayed image is the cover of your copy and is uncredited?

More important, for a 1986 edition Nihonjoe gives cover artist Peggie Bach Publ Record # 518125 (no mention of interior illustrations and I did not ask). Does your book clearly spell the name "Peggy"? Check title page and About the Illustrator if you can find the book. Both names are in the database only as Time at the Top interior and cover illustrators respectively. The Library of Congress (which never credits cover or jacket illustrations) credits "illus. by Peggie Bach" LCCN 63010140 but that name is not digitized and does not otherwise appear in its online catalog. (It does have a latterday Peggy Bach whom I suppose different [6].) --Pwendt|talk 00:17, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

I made a mistake. The title page has "Illustrations by Peggie Bach". I've corrected the spelling of her name.
Yes, the displayed image is a scan of my copy. I'm pretty sure Peggie Bach did not do the cover for my copy of the story as the illustrations were done in 1963 and the cover in 1982.
I found an Abebooks seller listing for a copy of the 6th printing of the Parnassus Press edition and so created ISFDB publication record 551227. That edition has what I assume is a Peggie Bach cover.
Regarding that Nihonjoe verification. Amazon has a cover at which is a different cover than either my Bantam printing and the Parnassus Press edition. I would check with Nihonjoe on if the cover matches what's on Amazon, what I have, Parnassus Press, etc. I would have him provide more detail on the exact wording of the artist credit. Sometimes when there's an illustrator credit people will assume the same artist did the front cover. --Marc Kupper|talk 07:13, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
Two years later I apologize for ignoring the last paragraph. Amazon now displays the cover of another book, evidently by mistake. It provides "Look inside!" a yet later edition, with a Charles Geer cover, I know from its use on the 2011 omnibus P363020. --Pwendt|talk 20:18, 22 October 2017 (EDT)
Is that a front cover or front dustjacket illustration you posted today? Recently I read many page of instructions here and I don't recall anything about the distinction. --Pwendt|talk 02:22, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I added 551227 yesterday based on an Abebooks seller listing and the image is of the front cover of the book. I'm not sure what you mean by "I don't recall anything about the distinction". The distinction between what and what? --Marc Kupper|talk 08:20, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
Marc, I suppose that I never returned to read your second reply.
underline added, above
I meant the distinction between "front cover" of the book and front portion of the dustjacket, which may be illustrated identically or differently, if at all. Two years later it occurs to me that one might use Cover 1 and Cover 2, with explanation in both the publication and the COVERART title record(s). Only one image can be uploaded, I believe, and a publication Note should identify it as (front) cover or (front) dustjacket. --Pwendt|talk 20:18, 22 October 2017 (EDT)

A Wrinkle in Time

Marc, I've added the cover artist to your verified A Wrinkle in Time, from my 78th printing on which the art is credited. Thanks. PeteYoung 10:48, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Also, my printing has an Introduction which your 91st printing may have as well, and you may wish to import. PeteYoung 10:57, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Queued submission

One of your submissions has been sitting in the queue for more than two weeks. Please take a moment to handle it. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 05:36, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

done. --Marc Kupper|talk 05:52, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Possible Typos

Would you mind double checking these possible typos?

Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:34, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. All of these have been fixed. --Marc Kupper|talk 04:27, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Dean Ellis

is the cover artist of this pub. --Zapp 20:58, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

A Local Habitation by Seanan McGuire

I have made some minor changes to your verified A Local Habitation. Added to Notes, at bottom, information about excerpt at end. Added to contents, the Pronunciation Guide and the interior dingbat as Interior Artwork. For consistency with the way the rest of the series is being entered. BungalowBarbara 02:53, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

New cover for Operation Chaos

I've just uploaded a cover for your verified pub, Operation Chaos. Please check Image:PRTNCHSFBS1978.jpg.--Auric 15:47, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Artist sig on Cloudcry

An artist signature is faintly visible on the lower right. It appears to be in red block letters. The first three are illegible due to cracking on my copy, but the rest appear to be "ferran". It would be great if your copy was in better shape. --Auric 15:53, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Artist sig appears to be David Heffernan. --Auric 11:56, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

The Screaming Skull and Other Great American Ghost Stories

I've added a title list.--Auric 01:55, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Borges's The Book of Imaginary Beings

Marc, we are the only two verifiers of pubs for this title, however I certainly think it's incorrectly categorized as a NOVEL. It bears far greater resemblance to a work of NONFICTION, being a list of descriptions of mythical and science fictional creatures from sources other than Borges's own imagination. What do you think? PeteYoung 22:18, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

That makes sense and so I went ahead and updated the titles & publications to nonfiction. --Marc Kupper|talk 09:41, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

The Ghost in the Noonday Sun

Verified the cover artist for The Ghost in the Noonday Sun. Identical art discovered on his website.--Auric 11:54, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Excellent work. Thank you Auric! --Marc Kupper|talk 02:01, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Update: Compacted numberline.--Auric 03:03, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Chanur's Homecoming

Add info about map in Chanur's Homecoming.--Auric 17:46, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

The Hugo Winners, Volumes One and Two

Hi, my copy of it agrees with everything in ISFDB Publication Record # 41821, but has a gutter code of P16 (the 1 being smaller than the P and 6)

RolHje 15:25, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps you found another copy of P41821 from April 1974. Uzume 06:01, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Sorting contents

Re the page numbers given in the contents for this record: Consider using the "pipe method" described in the "Sorting" subsection of this help page. The page numbers should be entered within the "p". I also question whether uploading an image of the title page for the sole purpose of displaying the art work is within the ISFDB's policy. Mhhutchins|talk 05:41, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder about the pipes as I'd forgotten about that. I ended up using |0.5 and |0.8 for the page numbers as both are before page 1 and none of the 12 preliminary matter pages are numbered.
The title page was not uploaded "for the sole purpose of displaying the art work." While the statement provided by Template:Illustration Image Data appeared adequate for a fair-use usage of the image I have the updated the description on Image:THMRTNVDNC0000-title-page.jpg to provide a better explanation for why that image was uploaded. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Marc Kupper (talkcontribs) .
Still not a sufficient reason in my opinion. The same rationale (to aid in comparison) could be used to upload any interior art to the ISFDB server. Something we'd both agree would not be a "good thing". Mhhutchins|talk 07:48, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
What's the difference between interior art and the cover? Both are usually copyright images. With both the main purpose for our uploads are to help in identifying or distinguishing editions and for documenting publisher logos, prices, etc. There have been times where I wondered if a particular interior drawing was used in another publication and it would be great if we had more of them online so that people could pull up copies of the image to verify if it's a match or not. In this case I got a sense that many of the editions from other publishers of The Martian are using at least the same map and some seem to be using the same title page background. I was also dealing with that the art credit was vague it did not say where in the book the guy's work appeared. Some European editions seem to have the same interior artwork but failed to credit it meaning someone verifying one of those would need to see the images in a credited USA edition to see if the image is the same and to use the USA edition as the secondary credit source.
The image I uploaded is a grayscale that uses 205 colors. I found I can cut it down to 16 colors and the Mars part is indistinguishable from the 205 color version though the black area below Mars has some artifacts. The file size is larger as I suspect the color depth reduction system compensated by making some edges fuzzy to create the illusion of more colors.
It turns out there are 11 different Amazon Look Insides available for this title. Most of them don't have the title page but I found one that did. I need to be up early in the morning and so when I get up I'll delete the image I uploaded and add an explanation/link to the Look Inside that has this image. --Marc Kupper|talk 08:13, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Advanced Search and wildcards

Now that Advanced Search has been modified to support "exact", "contains", "begins with" and "ends with" searches, would you like to revisit our last discussion to see if the changes cover the areas that you were interested in? Ahasuerus 22:53, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Verified Publishing Names project

There is a discussion of the "Verified Publishing Names project" in the context of migrating Wiki-resident publication-specific notes to the database. I believe DES, Bill Longley and you worked on this project back in 2008. When you get a chance, do you think you could stoop by and take a look at what is being proposed? TIA! Ahasuerus 00:16, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

The Skeptical Inquirer

This publication record doesn't qualify for database eligibility. Non-genre magazines, i.e. non-spec-fic magazines, must contain at least one work of fiction, and only that fiction content can be added to the database. (Policy and entry standards here.) Allowing this record into the database would open the door to thousands of publications which contain nonfiction work by spec-fic authors. The fact that this publication reprints an essay originally published in a genre magazine makes it even less likely to be allowed, even if we broke the rules to do so. A note on the essay title record about this reprint should suffice. Mhhutchins|talk 02:35, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

It's been a couple of weeks and I'm still waiting for a response to this message. If you disagree with the current standards, please start a discussion on the Rules & Standards page. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 08:00, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Bug 611 List of title types creeated by 'Add Title' in Edit Pub doesn't include EDITOR

I see that you left the following comment earlier today:

I thought that omission was by design. EDITOR records are only used in the metadata section of a publication record. Why would we have an editor record in the Contents section of a publication record?

As I wrote when container editing was last tweaked:

...editors can now select "EDITOR" in the Content section of Edit Pub. It was originally removed from the drop-down list because new editors often thought that "EDITOR" stood for "editorial". Now it is back in order to support the ability to edit container titles within Edit Pub. It should be relatively harmless because we have a nightly report that finds improperly entered EDITOR titles.

It's quite useful when changing ANTHOLOGY's or Fixer-submitted NOVELs to MAGAZINEs/FANZINEs. However, the change that I made was incomplete. It affected the drop-down lists associated with Content titles displayed by the Python script when the page is first sent to the browser. However, it didn't update the JavaScript logic that adds new Content titles, so now the two are out of sync. Bug 611 was created to address this issue.

Also, could you please respond to Michael's query immediately above? I believe it's very important for all editors, especially moderators, to be on the same page re: what's in and what's out. If we don't interpret the rules in the same way, we will end up deleting each other's work and that could cause editors to drop out. Ahasuerus 03:35, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Possible Typos 10-Apr

Here are some possible typos:

Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:16, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Dawn of Fear

You verified from Amazon the 2007 ed. of Susan Cooper, Dawn of Fear P265414.

Motivated by one library summary I visited SFE3 Susan Cooper and found "Dawn of Fear (1970) is a effective though nonfantastic Young Adult novel set during World War Two" [7]. On that basis I would tag the title non-genre. Do you know otherwise?

--Pwendt|talk 18:48, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Someone has classed it non-genre.
I added the quoted sentence and one from Kirkus Reviews to the title record Synopsis. --Pwendt|talk 15:03, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

A Sense of Wonder

This pub that you verified: I added a cover scan, filled in the main Price field, and added a number of pub notes (previously there was only the OCLC link and the note "First NEL edition", which seemed a bit terse). Cheers, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 17:39, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

The Farthest Shore by Ursula K. LeGuin

This publication The Farther Shore has cover art by John Jude Palencar... it matches the cover he did for Tehanu Susan O'Fearna 10:29, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

I have a note on the record for The Farther Shore that you linked to that says "The cover art is copyright 1984 by Yvonne Gilbert." None of the Tehanu covers match the The Farther Shore painting nor are there any by John Jude Palencar for either Tehanu nor The Farther Shore.
There is some evidence that a cover art credit may be wrong as [8] and [9] The Farthest Shore credit Yvonne Gilbert but show different paintings than the record I have.
At present I don't see any evidence that it's a Palencar painting. I'll see if I can track down my publication to see if the back cover credits Palencar. --Marc Kupper|talk 16:14, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Damn, Tombs of Atuan is also Palencar Susan O'Fearna 10:31, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Likewise, this publication has the note "The cover art is copyright 1984 by Yvonne Gilbert." that was used as the credit. I had verified the 34th printing. You added a record for the 39th printing that credits Palencar and has the note "copyright page incorrectly identifies Yvonne Gilbert as cover artist, though back cover and an email exchanged with artist confirms that cover is by John Jude Palencar".
Fortunately, my copy it's in the same storage box as The Farther Shore. I'll see if I can find the box and if my copy credits Palencar anywhere. There's evidence that something is amiss in that we have an 18th printing that credits Yvonne Gilbert and shows a different painting than my 34th printing. --Marc Kupper|talk 16:14, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

(I have scans of an old calendar if you want to see...)

We will need something that we can cite that seems more reliable than "Susan O'Fearna has an old calendar." :-) Does the calendar only have Palencar paintings? What year is it for? Does it identify which book(s) the paintings appeared in? One thought is from the John Jude Palencar bibliography page that you can click on Bibliographic Comments and and to add a section that documents this calendar as a source. Use the same fields/layout as a publication record meaning we'd have a title, author, date, publisher, etc. You would be the "primary verifier" of the calendar. I assume it has 12 or 13 paintings. If the artist e-mailed you and confirmed that specific (or all) the paintings are his then we can add that to the page. Rather than scanning and uploading the "interior art" we should be able to use existing cover images to show that, for example, July's painting is the one that was used on Tombs of Atuan, August is The Farther Shore, etc. On the publication records that have the Palencar paintings but credit Yvonne Gilbert we will change the credit to John Jude Palencar and to explain how the calendar is the source for the credit. --Marc Kupper|talk 16:14, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

To Your Scattered Bodies Go

I added a note about that this printing, [the 19th], is also included in the Boxed set, The Complete Riverworld Novels, in October 1981. Price of the box was $12.50. Zlan52 23:11, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

The Dragon and the Stars

Uploaded a cover scan for our verified The Dragon and the Stars, one that does not have a sticker on the cover (it was probably your public library copy). PeteYoung 06:33, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

King of Argent

Our verified 4th printing of Phillifent's King of Argent also has Jack Gaughan's frontispiece illustration, present in all other editions but not currently recorded in ours. Propose adding. Cheers. PeteYoung 20:25, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Drylands cover artist

Hi, I found on Amazon that the cover artist, Peter Peebles, is credited on the back cover.--Dirk P Broer 14:44, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Blood Trail

I noticed that you had a query about Blood Trail with regards to the Catalog #UE2502. I know the question was raised in 2010 but I have just checked my version and uploaded a new cover and changed the Publication Notes. I have removed the Catalog reference as the book does not contain any reference to it. --AndyjMo 09:58, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

The Big Four

I added a cover scan to The Big Four MOHearn 23:12, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

More Soviet Science Fiction

hi. re: your verified, I added pub month (July) & pub note citing Markwood 19:49, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Living wtih Aliens

Added notes and a better cover scan to Living wtih Aliens.SFJuggler 05:02, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Lambda 1 and Other Stories

In Lambda 1 and Other Stories the story Routine Exercise should start at page 135 not 153. --AndyjMo 21:23, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

The Green Hills of Earth

Hi, I've imported content for your verified copy of The Green Hills of Earth.--Dirk P Broer 19:08, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

War of the Wing-Men

Hi, I found the initials that the other Ace edition of War of the Wing-Men mentions on the rock under the foot of the Alien. The initials 'JHB' are for J. H. Breslow, as with the other edition.--Dirk P Broer 11:52, 22 September 2016 (UTC)


Posted a wrap-around cover on your verified copy of this book. MLB 03:56, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Vacuum Diagrams

Hi, I've imported content for your verified copy of Vacuum Diagrams.--Dirk P Broer 12:32, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Strength and Honor

I added a cover scan to replace the Amazon one and a couple of notes to your verified Strength and Honor.SFJuggler 16:53, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Minor additions to Notes on City of Night

I've made the following minor additions to your verified copy of City of Night:
Under title on title page: A House War Novel
“Copyright © 2010 by Michelle Sagara”
Exact publication date 2010-02-02 per archived
BungalowBarbara 02:58, 26 September 2016 (UTC)


Hi, I've imported content for your verified copy of Foundation.--Dirk P Broer 14:50, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Second Foundation

Hi, I've imported content for your verified copy of Second Foundation.--Dirk P Broer 20:39, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Nebula Awards Showcase: 2009

Your verified has Binding "pb" (paperback), but my copy is "tp" ("trade paper", octavo sized with paper covers.) If yours is actually the smaller "pb" sized book, I'll create new record for the "tp" edition. FYI I'm also posting this note to the 2nd pv, Hauck. Thanks. Markwood 17:40, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Did this get corrected already? I see tp on the record. It it said pb then that was in error as it's a tp. --Marc Kupper|talk 15:14, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
Hauck fixed it. Markwood 02:29, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Bradbury's Dark They Were, and Golden-Eyed chapbook

Marc, a few queries about this pub, as the data entry standards may have changed since you verified it in 2009. We appear to have the same printing (matching ISBN, undated 2nd printing of the March 1991 edition), although mine is certainly a pb, not a hc as stated. You have the publisher as "Writers' Voices / Signal Hill", although "Writers' Voices" appears to be a pub series and not an imprint as per the data provided on the chapbook's last page, and the first printing also has "Writers' Voices" as a pub series. The title as it appears on page 13 keeps the comma after "Were" and therefore is not a variant, and the comma also appears on the title page of the chapbook, the full title being "Selected from Dark They Were, and Golden-Eyed" which is also on the front cover and spine. Also visible is "Design: Paul Davis Studio © 1991" alongside the spine on the back cover, yet the note states there is no credit for the cover artist. I propose making these changes if you agree we have the same edition, and I also have a cover to upload (the design is a of large eye with a family in silhouette). What do you think? Thanks for checking. PeteYoung 20:26, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

I'm looking for my copy. I see a pub note about "While the binding is listed as 'hc' this is a pb size publication with a perma-bound cover which has stiff boards with the jacket pasted on and laminated." I decided it's a pb rebound as a 'hc' and so revised the note and changed the binding on the record to 'pb'. I also updated the publisher name.
"Design: Paul Davis Studio © 1991" is a cover design credit and not a cover art credit. These days what I do is I leave the artist field blank but document the cover design credit in the notes.
Go ahead with your changes and I'll re-verify once I track down my copy. --Marc Kupper|talk 03:50, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
Done, and I've uploaded the cover but left the artist field blank. Cheers. PeteYoung 07:01, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
PS. I see from the Acknowledgements at the front that the map of the solar system appears to be credited to Karen Bernath. For your consideration! PeteYoung 07:05, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Fear by L.Ron Hubbard

I've replaced the Amazon image for this pub with a scanned image. I'm not keeping the book and Transient Verification was already taken. Doug H 19:49, 21 November 2016 (UTC)


Per our standards, I updated the cover art credit for Assignment: Death Ship from DCook to D. Cook. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 15:02, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

A Local Habitation

I've added a reference to An Artificial Night (excerpt) to A Local Habitation. --AndyjMo 15:51, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Changes to An Artificial Night

Hi, I've made some minor changes to your verified copy of An Artificial Night, as follows:
Added the Pronunciation Guide to the Contents for consistency with how the rest of the series is entered.
Added to Notes: Exact release date 2010-09-07 per archived publisher’s site.
BungalowBarbara 23:02, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Changes to 'The Book of Ballads'

If you can, please comment on this discussion. Ik concerns your verified edition of The Book of Ballads. Thanks, --Willem 09:41, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

It looks like this will take a long time, so I changed the notes, and added Teresa Nielsen Hayden as editor. Please review the publication if you have a chance. The original first note was 'This is a collection of ballads illustrated by Charles Vess. Technically this is a non-genre anthology. The structure is a graphic (comic book style) story by an author and illustrated by Charles Vess that's loosely based on a ballad or poem. After each story is the original ballad/poem itself.' --Willem 21:09, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Possible Typos 30-Dec

The following are possible typos in your verified pubs:

Also, the ones from 10-Apr have not been addressed yet (corrected or notes added stating the misspelling is per the pub). Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 03:57, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

I added the Canadian price to your verified

I added the Canadian price to your verified [10].Don Erikson 18:18, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

The Door Into Summer

Not a change to your verified pub per se, but I've been going through many pubs of The Door Into Summer and capitalising the "into" to "Into". Thanks. PeteYoung 02:25, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Princess of Wands

In the title description of Princess of Wands it states that there are 3 covers in circulation. The Cover Art for This Version was created by you but both the PV and I have a slightly different version (same image but additional text) I've replaced your image with a scan of my copy. There are only 2 editions of the Book listed, both have cover images. So is the Cover Art you created for another (undefined) version? --AndyjMo 19:44, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

I think you left this on the wrong editor's talk page. I've never had a copy of Princess of Wands nor any works by John Ringo. Where did you see the connection to me? --Marc Kupper|talk 04:29, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
I was talking to the PV of this version about the Cover Art and he said that a Marc Kupper had uploaded the Cover Art. As it is obviously not you then I apologise. --AndyjMo 10:34, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
I looked through the submissions and found that Kevin Pulliam (user:Kpulliam) was the one that did much of the initial work on the images. He's also the one that created the note on the Princess of Wands title record about the various covers. His name is sort of similar to mine and so that may be how the confusion came up. --Marc Kupper|talk 09:41, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for spending some time on this. Sorry about the confusion. --AndyjMo 13:10, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

The Complete ... H.G. Wells

Marc, You verified this 1979 omnibus P37456 that includes The First Men in the Moon (1901). When you have a chance please check whether it credits illustrator "E. Herring" rather than "E. Hering".

For the 1st ed. P304191 I submit change to "E. Hering", following the original serial publication, both Contents of the volume as bound and each illustration "Drawn by E. Hering"; see the headpiece, p65, or p69 with signature "HERING", clearly, altho "E" may be "CE" or "LE".

"E. Herring" may be from The Whole SFDB. Our 304191 Notes ends thus before my submission:

Interior art credit from The Whole Science Fiction Data Base No. 5.
Illustrated with 12 plates.

Hering and Herring, both not found quickly at, and "E. Hering" is not a linked creator at WorldCat. --Pwendt|talk 23:32, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Verified DAW Books cover

I added the following cover: Pub-17560.jpg. Uzume 21:22, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Dead to Me

Replaced Amazon Cover art of Dead to Me with a scan of my copy, added source of Cover Artist. --AndyjMo 17:06, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Dead Matter

Added source of the Cover Artist to Dead Matter. --AndyjMo 17:21, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Pagination on 1st ed. of "Kindred", by Octavia Butler

You and/or Bill Bluesman included a note on the Doubleday 1st ed. of "Kindred" saying: "Note to the primary/transient verifier of this publication. Please see the comments about the pagination for the Beacon Press 5th and 11th printing. Of interest is if the pagination of the Doubleday edition is such that the Prologue is on page 9." I finally got a 1st/1st of this book and have included details of the initial pagination in the pub notes for that edition. I am hopeful that my notes resolve your questions. Chavey 09:53, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Mystery Date

Added the LCCN and the OCLC to your verification of Mystery Date. MLB 08:02, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Moving Targets and Other Tales of Valdemar

Added the LCCN and the OCLC to your verification of Moving Targets and Other Tales of Valdemar. MLB 03:22, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

The Devil's Children (1970-00-00)

Marc, You entered and verified our record of the 1st US ed. and commented in our record of the 1st ed. (Gollancz, apparently July). Perhaps this follow-up will be useful to you.

Search "the devil's children" in multiple 1970 newspapers returns 5 hits, one UK and four US. Re the first I updated our record of the 1st ed. P262228. The US hits imply publication for the 1970 Christmas season, not to say the title page must be dated 1970.

  • Silence Buck Bellows The Christian Science Monitor 1970-11-12 p19 "Games Children Play"; moderately long reviews of four books, this one "(Atlantic-Little Brown, $4.95)"
  • Digby B. Whitman Chicago Tribune -11-08 pQ10; review as "Atlantic / Little, Brown"
  • Jean Wood Newsday -11-25 p20C "Give a Child the Joy of Reading"; many capsule reviews, this one under Ages 8-11
  • Mary Paulus The Sun (Baltimore) -12-13 pD5; review of 8, this one ages 10-12

Not one advertisement by Little, Brown or Atlantic; perhaps a publisher/imprint that did not do newspapers. No extra hits in search ("devil's children" dickinson), nor in 1971.

I find one WorldCat library record of the US ed., OCLC 2187545; and three of 1971 UK 2nd ed/printing that suggest p158 is unnumbered, 61058720, 226173287, 924771079.

At Amazon I found, and here added, a 1973 Hutchinson Education edition, with another cover image. --Pwendt|talk 18:19, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Something Magic This Way Comes

Added the LCCN to your verification of Something Magic This Way Comes. MLB 07:13, 11 May 2017 (UTC)


Added the LCCN to your verification of Amazons!. MLB 02:44, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Pandora’s Closet

Added the LCCN, the OCLC, the page numbers to the stories, and other notes to your verification of Pandora’s Closet. MLB 04:09, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Witch High

Added the LCCN and the OCLC to your verification of Witch High. MLB 23:50, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Front Lines

Added to the notes of your verification of Front Lines. MLB 01:08, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Shadowmarch illustrations

Ahasuerus has determined that we need to put some fairly tight constraints on the html features that users can embed inside notes, because there are too many places where hackers can use html for nefarious purposes when full html entry is allowed. Details of these limitations are on the Community Portal. In particular, he's no longer going to allow the "img" tag, which you used extensively for the Shadowmarch Illustrations series. To clean these up, he suggested that I replace the "img" tags with regular links, which I have done. That means that the images aren't directly on the InteriorArt record pages, but they are accessible with a single click. In case you want to change how I've handled this limitation, I invite you to look at the records in that series. Chavey 20:00, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

No problem. I'll likely reword the descriptions as they were done as though they were describing an image embedded on the page. --Marc Kupper|talk 23:05, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! Chavey 04:18, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

A batch of nongenre stories - if you disagree please comment

Currently there are numerous non-genre horror stories that are in the database because it's natural to just enter a book of horror or "tales of terror" without figuring out which stories are supernatural. I don't intend to systematically hunt for them, but when I spot one, I like to mark it nongenre. (In the case of classic stories, marking is better than removing it from the database because it'll just get re-added with some new anthology.) At the moment, I've spotted the following stories that I think need such a change, and I'm consulting people who have them in their verified pubs.

Firstly, there's Great Tales of Terror and the Supernatural (verified copies: (1), (2), (3), (4), (5), (6), (7)), which contains "A Terribly Strange Bed," "The Three Strangers," "The Most Dangerous Game," "Leiningen Versus the Ants," "A Rose for Emily," "Taboo," and undoubtedly other non-supernatural ones that I'm not noticing at the moment. Here are verified publications for those and some other stories:

Are there any of those stories you think ARE genre? Vasha 15:17, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

ADDENDUM: Discussion moved to the Community Portal. --Vasha 00:49, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

I added the Canadian price to your verified

I added the Canadian prices to your verified[11] & [12].Don Erikson 19:34, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Daphne Du Maurier

Added note and non-genre mark to Daphne du Maurier's "The Alibi" in The Gothic Reader. --Vasha 01:16, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

"The Matisse Stories", by A. S. Byatt

Your verified publication lists the contents in the notes, and suggests that they may all be non-genre. I read the review of the book in Kirkus Reviews and the extended review in the New York Times and I am convinced that none of these stories are genre. A.S. Byatt is above the threshold, IMO, so we should still include this book, but I have marked this collection as non-genre. I added the contents to all the other publications, and labelled these three stories as non-genre, but left your publication unchanged (except for adding two OCLC links), but I invite you to import those contents to your publication as well. Chavey 18:06, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the research. I read the reviews and agree it's non-genre. I've imported the contents and updated the pub-note about the contents. --Marc Kupper|talk 20:24, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
Cool! One more item off the cleanup reports :-) Chavey 22:56, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

"Between Two Worlds / Messages Found in an Oxygen", by Terry Carr & Bob Shaw

I don't know if you were the person who entered the comment, on your verified publication, that the contents (2 collections, but without the stories in those collections) were set up "to allow the pagination for the Terry Carr and Bob Shaw sides of the dos-à-dos to be set up". But I went ahead and set those up, by importing the stories for those collections. (Also, to fix a cleanup report complaint). I don't think there's any decent way to include the page numbers of the two halves without the system shuffling them all together, but I did enter them in such a was as to guarantee an ordering consistent with the separate volumes, and the internal ordering of the stories. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chavey (talkcontribs) 21:51, 4 June 2017.

Thank you. Yes, that's my note. I think at the time ISFDB did not have the |### feature for adding page numbers. I'm not sure why you said "I don't think there's any decent way to include the page numbers of the two halves without the system shuffling them all together". You did everything right other than you did not put the page numbers in front of the |### things. I went ahead and did that. The system displays the number in front of the | and uses the number after the | for sorting the list of titles.
This one still needs more cleanup. Technically it's an anthology that is constructed as pair of dos-a-dos collections. At the time I added it to ISFDB I entered it as an omnibus of two collections meaning there were three pub records for a single book. The goals were to make sure the thing showed up on Terry Carr's and Bob Shaw's bibliographies, and to show the two tables of contents sorted in order.
I need to coordinate changing the Between Two Worlds / Messages Found in an Oxygen pub record with the other verifiers as the stories are now now all contained in the pub record.
  • I changed the pub type from omnibus to collection. Technically it's an anthology but using 'collection' on ISFDB gets us less astonishing results.
  • I added an Acknowledgments essay to ISFDB that's on page viii of the Between Two Worlds side. I must have missed this back when I did the 2007 PV. The essay ends with "Andy Cowan, Editor" over "Marlboro, MA" over "June 1986". I also added a pub note about this.
  • I corrected a typo in an existing pub note "... add that the 255 slipcased copies were ..." was changed to "... add that the 225 slipcased copies were ..."
  • I moved the "OCLC <a href="">19101840</a>" pub note into into the external links thing.
We need to:
I'll wait to for concurrence before doing the deletes. --Marc Kupper|talk 22:51, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm fine with the proposed changes. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:36, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
I have no problem with these changes, but I wonder what the astonishing results are from using the anthology option (see Systems of Romance for an anthology by two authors). --Willem 13:29, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. I have deleted the records listed above. I also expanded the note about the price. It's still available for sale at $15.
Between Two Worlds / Messages Found in an Oxygen Bottle has an editor, Andy Cowan, who worked for the New England Science Fiction Association (NESFA). Terry Carr and Bob Shaw were to be the guests of honor at the 1986 ConFederation hosted by the NESFA. In preparation for this the NESFA contracted with both authors for some short stories plus secured reprint rights to other stories. Both authors also wrote introductions. The book was available for sale at the 1986 ConFederation.
If we made the publication an anthology then technically, Andy Cowan is the editor and the publication would vanish from the two author's bibliographies. This was the astonishing result I was trying to avoid.
However, your idea of making it an anthology "edited" by the two authors much like Systems of Romance has some merit. Terry Carr's introduction reveals that he was involved in the story selection and arranging process, at least for his side of the publication. While he mentions Bob Shaw in his introduction he did not write about Messages Found in an Oxygen Bottle nor any of Bob Shaw's stories. Bob Shaw chose to write an "in universe" introduction for people at the convention and does not mention how the stories were selected and organized other than as "they were written as labours of love, without thought of material reward, for the sheer joy of their inherent fannishness." Bob Shaw did not mention Terry Carr nor Between Two Worlds in his introduction.
I had leaned towards classifying it as a pair of collections as that's what the thing looks like. Terry Carr's side is Between Two Worlds by Terry Carr on the front cover, title page, spine, copyright page, and dust jacket flap. It contains an introduction and six short stories all by Terry Carr. Bob Shaw's side is Messages Found in an Oxygen Bottle by Bob Shaw on the front cover, title page, spine, copyright page, and dust jacket flap. It contains an introduction and nine short stories all by Bob Shaw. --Marc Kupper|talk 23:51, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation. I see now how it would look (uncredited editor, varianted to Andy Cowan). It looks much better now! --Willem 08:01, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Karel Čapek's The Misadventures of a Matrimonial Swindler and Mr. Havlena's Verdict

I'm in the process of correcting Karel Čapek's last name from Capek to Čapek. In nearly all cases we had his name incorrectly listed without the hachek over the C. I've gone ahead and changed the title record for the stories "The Misadventures of a Matrimonial Swindler" and "Mr. Havlena's Verdict", both of which are included in your verified copy of Tall Short Stories. Could you check your copy to see if how his name appears in the book. If it is Čapek, then nothing further needs to be done. Otherwise, we'll need to create a new titles with the pseudonym Capek. This also assumes that your stories are translated by Paul Selver. If that differs we'd also have to make a new variant titles. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:20, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, May 2001

Hi Marc,

Shouldn't the review for the non-genre graphic novel in the The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, May 2001 issue be converted to an essay so it is not dangling unconnected. I do not think that adding the graphic novel is really what we want to do... And I think that the other review on page 30 (for the Graphic novel based on a book we do have) should also be an essay. The notes in the publication record are great, it is the content that looks weird. What do you think? Annie 16:47, 21 June 2017 (EDT)

Hi Annie. I'm shifting this over to User_talk:Rkihara#The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, May 2001 which is a thread I'd started earlier but hadn't had a chance to revisit. --Marc Kupper|talk 17:09, 21 June 2017 (EDT)
Ah, sorry - should have looked at the other verifiers pages before asking you here - I knew that this unlinked review was not there before yesterday and you were working on the issue (based on your verification) so looked here only. Coffee is apparently needed for my brain to start connecting all the dots today. Annie 17:14, 21 June 2017 (EDT)


Added roman numeral page numbers of the introduction; added note that this undated 4th printing must be from 1990 or later based on the ads. --Vasha 14:32, 4 July 2017 (EDT)

Seventh Son cover(s)

Responded to your inquiry regarding Seventh Son's cover credits. Sorry about the delay. --MartyD 14:25, 9 July 2017 (EDT)

The Paradise Game

We have this publication dated in July 1974. However, user Hifrommike65 noted that his copy states June 1974 (see here). Could you check your copy? The July statement must have come from somewhere. Thanks, --Willem 04:02, 4 August 2017 (EDT)

No response after a week, so I changed the record. Please check your copy when you have the time. Thanks, --Willem 14:31, 10 August 2017 (EDT)

B. W. Clough

In accordance with discussion on Moderator Board, I changed the canonical name of B. W. Clough to Brenda W. Clough, which affected this verified publication of yours. --Vasha 02:42, 12 August 2017 (EDT)

HTML tables problem

In the process of forbidding html tags that can be used to break the system, Ahasuerus is moving things towards disallowing some of the tags that several of us (you and I included) had become used to. In particular, we can no longer use attributes in things such as our table commands. We can use <table>, but only without things like <table style="border: thin solid;"> or <td align=center>. Thus we can use plain, simple <table>, <tr>, and <td>, but nothing more sophisticated than that. The cleanup report that searches for html problems has, over the last few months, been scrubbed free of almost all of the html attributes that Ahasuerus expects to ban, except for 11 publications that have tables you entered. These have to be converted to other formats that abide by the upcoming html security standards. If you wish, I can do those conversions for you. But since you were the one who first put those tables in, it seems likely that you may prefer to do this yourself, so the final result comes as close as possible to your vision of how that data should be presented. Chavey 20:56, 15 August 2017 (EDT)

Thank you for the heads up. I cleaned up all of the remaining items on the Mismatched HTML tags in Publication Notes report. The item that's most painful is the loss of align="right". align="center", style="text-align: center;", and style="font-style:italic;" were easy to replace with <center> (which is deprecated but still works for now) and <i>. I did not want to get into padding with &nbsp; to right-align stuff knowing the right edge will never be perfectly lined up on all devices. The intent of right alignment was to make things easy on the eye and mind to read while also duplicating how something was formatted in a publication. I'd been using borders at times but the loss of those likely would not be noticed. --Marc Kupper 15:57, 21 August 2017 (EDT)
Thanks! Ahasuerus 16:23, 21 August 2017 (EDT)
Also, my thanks! Chavey 23:37, 21 August 2017 (EDT)

Var the Stick

Updated the Printing History for Var the Stick (added statement about Corgi edition and Copyright statement). The OCLC number listed is for a 1975 edition by Transworld Publishers. There seem to be a number of records for this edition in WordCat e.g. 877355538, which gives the ISBN and lists Corgi as the publisher. Should this be the link? --AndyjMo 10:34, 19 August 2017 (EDT)

Alien Tango

I added a cover scan and updated the notes to your verified this record Jack Sjmathis 13:52, 29 September 2017 (EDT)

I added the Canadian price to your verified

I added the Canadian price to your verified [13].Don Erikson 17:18, 11 October 2017 (EDT)

Digital Fortress

I've added a much better cover scan for your verified Digital Fortress, and credited the cover as there is already a cover art record for this. Thanks. PeteYoung 08:45, 15 October 2017 (EDT)

The Tombs of Atuan

I found this note about cover artist, and I guess You should know because of Your verification. --Zapp 18:22, 15 October 2017 (EDT)

Shouldn't that to be corrected? --Zapp 14:46, 23 April 2018 (EDT)

Talking Leaves

Back in 2010, you added a bibliographic comment to Talking Leaves stating that you intended to read the whole thing and decide which ones were speculative. Well, I've done that now. Here's what I found:

1. Two stories that you added, "The Humming of Stars and Bees and Waves" and "Aunt Parnetta's Electric Blisters" are definitely speculative.

2. Two stories currently in the contents aren't speculative; I marked them non-genre and added synopses to explain why they aren't. They should stay in the database anyway, though, for other reasons: "Going Home" is by Joseph Bruchac who's done a lot of genre work, and "How I Got to Be Queen" is in the anthology Wild Women which is indexed by Locus.

3. There are eight other stories which I think are speculative and should be added: "Deer Woman," "Turtle Lake," "The Flood," "A Seat in the Garden," "Crow's Sun," "from Cheyenne Revenge," "Bicenti," and "from Fools Crow."

Is this OK? Maybe you will want to edit your notes now. Vasha 22:04, 19 October 2017 (EDT)

Since you didn't comment, I made the changes. --Vasha 19:12, 17 November 2017 (EST)

Time at the Top

Marc, Moments ago at section 43 #Time at the Top, Peggy/Peggie Bach, i inserted one belated reply and added another.

And now I asked Nihonjoe about the cover images. --Pwendt|talk 20:49, 22 October 2017 (EDT)

I doubt that the 1986 cover art is derived from an illustration by Peggie Bach, as the record by Nihonjoe implies. But I simply submit "Unmerge" of that one from the COVERART Title record for the Parnassus Press editions, so Peggie Bach will have 1963 and 1986 Cover Art records for that novel. --Pwendt|talk 17:12, 9 November 2017 (EST)


I am about to mark Roald Dahl's story "Taste" nongenre (please let me know if you disagree); it's in your verified publication Stories of Suspense. --Vasha 16:49, 5 November 2017 (EST)

End of the Dream

Marc, could you have a look at [this] post. --~ Bill, Bluesman 13:48, 6 November 2017 (EST)

The First Omni Book of Science Fiction

I added a note for your verified pub The First Omni Book of Science Fiction about the cover art being signed.--Auric 21:21, 17 November 2017 (EST)

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows

you're listed as a transient verifier for Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows my copy says first printing, etc with identical copyright page to that archived for this pub but "About the Author' is on unnumbered page 761, "About the Illustrator" is on unnumbered page 763, and I don't see (untitled credits/acknowledgements) except on the copyright page. the pages 567-570 given in our entry would be in the middle of the text (our entry says 760 total pages). if the permanent verifiers are ok with my changing the page numbers, would that be ok with you? thanks. gzuckier 01:03, 22 November 2017 (EST)

That's fine. I no longer have this though still have the original scan of the cover and a scan of the copyright page.
I reviewed the submissions log and discovered I was the one that added the three essays. The one you could not find was on the back side of the page containing the "About the Illustrator" essay. I then did a second pass where I changed the title of the third essay from:
"Credits (Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows)" to
"(untitled credits/acknowledgements) (Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows)"
The implication is that I was looking at the page and saw that it was not titled "Credits".
Thus there are two mysteries. 1) Why did I verify the publication at x+759+[10] pages and yet entered the additional essays as being on pages 567-570. 2) I seemed to have spotted and added an essay that's not in your copy? I'm wondering if perhaps I added the three essays based on some another of the Harry Potter books
I suspect what happened is that I had several books on my desk at that time and grabbed the wrong one when adding the essays. I removed the cover from "Deathly Hallows" to do the scan and so it likely happened at that time. --Marc Kupper 04:20, 28 November 2017 (EST)

Tarzan the Untamed

In your verified publication the ISBN is 0-345-28868-8. The cover image (not yours) shows the catalog as 27697, as does my copy. Is it acceptable to change the ISBN? Doug H 11:36, 24 January 2018 (EST)

I need to track down my copies. In my notes I have both:
  • 7th printing, Feb-1978, 0-345-27697-3 at $1.75 (I got this one in 2006 but never did an ISFDB verification of it)
  • printing not checked, Feb-1978, 0-345-28868-8 at $1.75 (I got this one in 2010) and in my notes linked it to which is the record you are asking about.
What bothers me is that my normal practice is to first enter all of the info into an Excel spreadsheet. I then hunt down the ISFDB record and make sure its data matches both what I entered and the publication. Thus there's a double check of the data. For the second of the two books I still have a "-" in the printing number field implying I got interrupted before entering the printing number. When a book does not have a printing # I enter n.p. in that field.
Two years after I verified the publication another user, rtrace, added the cover image. As it's 600px I assume that person scanned a copy they had in hand. That person did not seem to notice their copy had 27697 on the front cover but added it to a record for 0-345-28868-8. They likely were only looking at the price and/or printing number.
Thus it seems like a toss up between keeping the record as 0-345-28868-8 or changing it to either 27697 and/or 0-345-27697-3.
As you and rtrace both have 27697 I decided to change the record as you proposed but also added a note. I have a copy of 27697 too and so my 2010 verification still works for that one. I now need to find my copy of 0-345-28868-8. --Marc Kupper 20:47, 24 January 2018 (EST)
According to one (unpublished) reference, there was only the one 27697 and it was the only one at $1.75. For the 28868, at $1.95, they have:
8. Stock number: 28868. Price: $1.95. Date printed: October 1979.
9. Stock number: 28868. Price: $1.95. Date printed: October 1980.
Note: Printing ten was skipped.
11. Stock number: 28868. Price: $1.95. Date printed: September 1982.
12. Stock number: 28868. Price: $1.95. Date printed: July 1983.
Anything else and we'd both be interested. Doug H 23:08, 24 January 2018 (EST)

Letters from Atlantis

Hello, Marc! I have the German edition at hand, it corresponds to the original edition (except it's a paperback). Judging from the length of the text and the many illustrations I'd think that this is a SHORTFICTION (novella) (instead of a NOVEL). What are your feelings? Christian Stonecreek 17:08, 22 February 2018 (EST)

Since the majority of PVs seems to be okay with the change, I'll step ahead and transform the title and affected publications. Christian Stonecreek 03:57, 23 February 2018 (EST)
As I have entered more of the interior art pieces you might want to add them to your verified publication. Christian Stonecreek 01:43, 24 February 2018 (EST)

Letters from Atlantis

I added a new cover scan, some notes and the LCCN to your verified Letter from Atlantis. Bob 20:03, 2 March 2018 (EST)

Ken Kelly new canonical name

Hello Marc,

I am in the process of changing the canonical name for Kelly and in a few books, the note does not specify if the Ken W. Kelly is used because it is credited this way (in which case I will variant) or because it was the canonical at the time (so the coverart needs a new author). Can you please check the following books:

Thanks in advance! PS: I have to go through a few more of these so I may need to ping you again. Annie 16:44, 2 April 2018 (EDT)

The Hunting of the Snark and other Nonsense Verse

Hi. You verified a copy of this collection, date unknown P273218. I created a record for the 1st ed. relying on library records as "[1952]" and publisher adverts in 1950s newspapers. (I do not take "Collectors' and Gift Editions" to be a publication series in our sense, with Series #11 and Series #14 for this title in 1952 and 1953- respectively. Perhaps heading and number only for the purpose of organizing the newspaper ads and orders from them.)

Concerning the contents list, I wonder

  1. Is placement of some in series Alice is your work and based on notes in the book, or recognition of the titles. If the collection identifies all of them by source in one of the Carroll novels (as the long subtitle suggests) then the others can be placed in series Sylvie and Bruno.
  2. Is "unknown" (date 0000 inherited from the collection as entered?) used here in deference to possible publication of some prior to their appearance in one of the Carroll novels? Or concerning the first use of the particular titles listed here?
  3. Do all of the poem titles appear in the book as listed here, or do "How Doth..." and so one represent the first words of poems untitled here?

[assembly in progress]
We have a collection of 14 poems, of which 9 are noted in the collection, or reported by you or another ISFDB editor, as from one of the Alice novels. And 5 others:

63 • A Secret =? assembled (perhaps by your editor) from 1893 p305/306ff p306 at HathiTrust
73 • Sitting on a Gate =? "Haddocks' Eyes (A-sitting on a Gate)" at Wikipedia; see also "Upon a Lonely Moor", below on the same page
78 • He Thought He Saw =? assembled as 9 stanzas here and here for instance
80 • Little Birds =? "The Pig-Tale" T1978882, 1893 p364 at HathiTrust
83 • Peter and Paul =? 1889 p143 at HathiTrust

In effect, I think the question is whether the collection contents match the entire poems as linked here.

Does anything about your copy show that it is not the original 1952 ed./printing? Two record at give inferred date [1952] without comment, both as 23cm; of which one[14] identifies the type and paper as in your publication comment. Does your comment mean that the depicted panel is printed on the page following that where the text ends, perhaps p[92]?
Another OCLC[15] gives [197-], or 1970s, and notes "Date of printing suggested by WorldCat."(!)

By the way, do you know whether this is a colophon or printer's colophon, or that term implies a pictorial element, as in a logo?

[assembly in progress] --Pwendt 22:15, 22:46, 22:53, Pwendt|talk 23:00, 12 April 2018 (EDT)
Pwendt|talk 13:15, 13 April 2018 (EDT)

Do you still need the old note?

You left a note to the primary verifier in this publication of The Winds of Darkover. It doesn't seem relevant. ../Doug H 16:57, 22 April 2018 (EDT)

Thanks for the heads up. I'd added the note in 2010. It looks like someone found the artist signature (hidden in plain sight in the middle of the image!) in 2012. I've deleted the note. --Marc Kupper 00:44, 1 May 2018 (EDT)

Supernatural Strangers

I added a cover scan to Supernatural Strangers by Robert Tralins. MOHearn 21:20, 20 May 2018 (EDT)

The Sands of Mars

The cover artist of this is Fernando Fernandez, the signature on the cover is the same as on for example The Other Side of the Sky. Horzel 18:08, 24 June 2018 (EDT)

Publisher of This Is Not a Game

Hi. I have an editor proposing to change the publisher in your verified This Is Not a Game from "Orbit" to "Orbit (US)" based on ISBN and price. Let me know what you think. Thanks. --MartyD 08:41, 30 June 2018 (EDT)

I ended up accepting the proposed change. Please review. --MartyD 19:21, 9 July 2018 (EDT)
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