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Does {{P|28382|Robots Robots Robots}} state the translator for "The Perfect Robot" (page 225) or that this is the same version as from ''Time Out of Mind''? Thanks. -- [[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:04, 2 August 2020 (EDT)
Does {{P|28382|Robots Robots Robots}} state the translator for "The Perfect Robot" (page 225) or that this is the same version as from ''Time Out of Mind''? Thanks. -- [[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:04, 2 August 2020 (EDT)
:It's the same. Footnote credit is "Reprinted from 'Time Out of Mind and Other Stories' by Pierre Boulle, Copyright 1966". Let me know if you'd like me to add a pub note. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:09, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

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Hello, Markwood, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the community portal, or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! Mhhutchins 23:10, 1 Jan 2008 (CST)

The Other Passenger by John Keir Cross

Thanks for adding new content to this pub. Your submission was accepted with some minor changes. For prices use the dollar sign, e.g. $2.75 in this case. Also when adding new content such as stories, the new records created by the update will have to be merged with any existing records for the same stories (there were title records for 8 of the stories you added). I'll do that and you'll see the results on John Keir Cross's summary page. Thanks again, and welcome to the ISFDB. Mhhutchins 23:17, 1 Jan 2008 (CST)


Your submission was accepted, a correction was made to the price entry. All prices need to start with a currency symbol, and prices in cents need a leading zero, e.g., $0.35.--Rkihara 18:56, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Conditionally Human

I accepted your submission updating the cover artist of this pub, and notified the verifier. It is ISFDB policy that an editor notify the verifier when a change has been made in a verified pub. Thanks. MHHutchins 18:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Ellison Wonderland

Thanks for correcting the Bluejay Books edition of Ellison Wonderland ! I have approved the submission and massaged the data in this publication, so it seems to be OK now.

One word of caution: if you edit an existing title in the Contents section of a collection, anthology, magazine or omnibus, it will affect that title in all other books and editions that the title appears in. Sometimes this behavior is desirable, for example if you are correcting a typo and the correction applies to every edition that we have on file. However, in this case it would mean that 'Back to the Drawing Boards' would replace 'The Forces that Crush' everywhere, which is presumably not what we want. This a common issues that all new contributors run into and we plan to change the behavior of our software to make it more intuitive, but for now we follow the workaround described in Help:How to change a story in a collection. Thanks again for the submission! Ahasuerus 04:17, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

LCCN placement

The LCCN should be placed in the note field. The Catalog #/ISBN field is used only for the ISBN or the catalog numbers of pre-ISBN paperbacks. I've adjusted the change you made to this pub accordingly. Thanks. MHHutchins 05:03, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Synopsis field

The synopsis field is used for a brief suimmery of the plot of a story or novel. Comments such as "Per Acknowledgments in 'Shot in the Dark' (p 310), reprinted from 'Wanted: Someone Innocent' (Pony Books Edition) by Margery Allingham Carter, 1946. Contento also lists 1946 as publication year." should be placed in the notes field. Thank you. -DES Talk 21:06, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

The same thing happened in Who Is Charles Avison?, and i again moved the "synopsis" of "Originally published in an April 1916 issue of Argosy, per Contento (1st edition, p 572.)" into the notes field. I do thank you for these detailed and useful notes, but do please put them in the note field in future. -DES Talk 22:32, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

The same thing with The Bronze Parrot by R. Austin Freeman. But here there is another oddity. I have read most of Freeman's work, and little if any of it qualifies as speculative fiction. Handling Non-SF contents in SF anthologies or collections is a bit tricky, and opinions vary on the best way to do it. But some indication of non-speculative status should generally be recorded. -DES Talk 22:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

DES: thanks for cleaning up my edits. The Freeman story, 'The Bronze Parrot', does qualify as speculative fiction. A milquetoast churchman finds a small bronze parrot, and is unaware that it immediately changes him to an intimidating bully. When he finally returns the parrot to the museum which lost it, he returns to normal. At the end we learn the parrot was the totem of an Ashanti War Chief whose war chant translates as, "Foreign slaves revile me. Why?".
You are welcome. Since I left this msg, i found the story in the collection The Great Portrait Mystery (via PG Australia) and i quite agree. There is another story in that collection that is basically a ghost story. I'll have to see about entering it. -DES Talk 21:11, 8 August 2009 (UTC)


Hello - when updating The Best from Startling Stories you added the note "per DW front flap, 'Jacket illustration by Alex Schomburg, copyright 1952, by Better Publications, Inc.'" I approved the update but what's the or a DW? --Marc Kupper|talk 06:56, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I would guess "Dust Wrapper", aka "Dust Jacket"? BLongley 23:13, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks - that makes perfect sense. I updated the publication to spell out "dust wrapper" and found three other pub records that also used DW which I expanded. --Marc Kupper|talk 04:28, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

1964 Ballantine edition of Star of Stars

You may not have run into it yet, but when we make changes to verified publications, we generally leave messages on the verifier's Talk page so that the verifier can make sure that the changes match his copy. (In a small percentage of cases it turns out that two editors have two somewhat different editions.) I have approved the addition of Richard Powers as the cover artist to the 1964 Ballantine edition of Star of Starsand, since it was already verified by User:Kraang, left him a note on Adding Images/Notes to Pubs Verified by Kraang. Thanks for editing! :) Ahasuerus 23:23, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I think Ahasuerus meant User talk:Kraang/Changes to Verified Pubs. --Marc Kupper|talk 04:30, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Men Against the Stars

The submission for this new pub was accepted, but a few changes were made. I copied the catalog number that you had in the notes fields into the ISBN/Catalog No. field, and the contents were entered based on the reference in Tuck. A couple of questions: Tuck gives this a 1957 date, and gives it 191 pages. Can you double check the page count before I do a Tuck-verification of the record? Also if you have a copy, please add the page numbers for the stories. Thanks. MHHutchins 21:38, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

According to OCLC record 2398051 this was published in 1957 and has 191 pages (both agrees with Tuck). It also says that "Pyramid Giant G234" is printed on the cover. Does your copy agree with this? MHHutchins 21:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
I just found this OCLC record 15863672 which has the same date and page count as your copy but it only lists seven stories. We need to reconcile the ISFDB records with Tuck and OCLC. I added a cover scan from Bookscans website. Does it match your copy? Also, does you copy have a statement that it is a second printing? Thanks. MHHutchins 22:01, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Gollancz edition of Blood and Burning

Do you know which stories are included in this edition of the Budrys collection? Thanks. Also, I removed "uncredited" in the cover artist field. That field remains blank if the artist is not credited in the book. If there is a visible signature, or a secondary source you can place that name in the field and place the source in the notes. Otherwise leave the field blank. See the artist section of the entry standards. Thanks. MHHutchins 15:01, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Arthur Sellings' "The Transfer"

I accepted the submission which updated this title record with a note saying that it was not in the collection. Contento and Tuck disagree, but they do make an occasional error. I will accept a submission which removes it from this pub record, but will ask that you do a primary verification on the pub in case someone should come along and try to add the story back based on Contento and Tuck. Thanks. MHHutchins 06:25, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Stories from Outer Space

I approved the update to Stories from Outer Space but am puzzled in that you changed the note from

  • Page count and place of publication from OCLC record 6033507.


  • Page count and place of publication from OCLC record 6033507. Page count verified by my copy of book

Someone looking at this record will not know who "my" is.

Does your copy not state the place of publication? Per what's at Template:PublicationFields:Publisher it looks like it would be better to:

  • Change the publisher name to "Chartwell Books" to remove the city name.
  • Update the note to say "OCLC record 6033507 reports the publisher as 'Secaucus, NJ: Chartwell Books.'" --Marc Kupper|talk 08:40, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Coverscan of "The Other Worlds"

I noticed your third effort to upload the coverscan for The Other Worlds. Nice scan btw. There seems to be one step in the procedure you haven't found yet, step 6: Once the file has been uploaded, the image's wiki page will appear. In order to get the URL (address) for the image you just uploaded, left click anywhere on the image and copy the URL from your browser's address window. (Or right click on the image and choose "Copy Image Location".) If you're adding a cover image to a pub record, this is the URL which you would enter into the pub record's "Image URL" field. After this edit is approved, the scan should be visible on the publication page. --Willem H. 06:29, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Since you haven't responded, I added the link. --Willem H. 06:32, 18 August 2010 (UTC)


I am going to approve your update of Code but the comment of "Copyright attribution in Sterling's collection 'Visionary in Residence' says, 'first appeared in Men Seeking Women: Love and Sex On-line edited by Jonathan Karp,, 2001.' " belongs in the note field, not inn the synopsis field. I will move it. -DES Talk 06:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

A similar issue occurred with The Necropolis of Thebes where I moved text from the synopsis field to the note field. Please remember that the Synopsis field is for a brief plot summery of a novel or story. Thank you for your contributions. -DES Talk 06:36, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Complete Novel=Serial

The ISFDB gives any novel that is published complete in one issue the SERIAL title type. Yes, this may first appear to defy the meaning of "serial", but keep in mind, when authors sell a work's "serial rights", it simply means that it will be published in a periodical as opposed to a book, not that it will necessarily have to be split into multiple issues of that periodical. The ISFDB uses the SERIAL type accordingly, and then makes it into a variant of the canonical title record, which contains publications of the story in book form. If you look at the title record for the Budrys novel here, you'll see that it contains three publication records. The first one is it's "serialization" in a single issue of Satellite. The second is its book publication by Ballantine. And the last is a translated serialization (in one issue) of an Italian magazine. The two serializations have been made variants of the book title which we consider the canon title of the work. If the book publication ("Man of Earth") had retained the same title used in the magazine publication ("The Man from Earth"), and if we made the magazine publication into the NOVEL title type (which your submission would have done) then we would have a novel title record "The Man from Earth" which is a variant of another novel title record "The Man from Earth", an untenable situation as it would be natural to merge these two records. So those persons who designed the database (not me) decided to make all magazine appearances into SERIAL title types, regardless of the number of issues in which it appear. Mhhutchins 17:27, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Notes in The Kid from Mars

Hi. I just accepted your edits to A Kid from Mars. It sounds as if you actually have the book. In cases like this, where the notes indicate the entry was constructed from secondary sources, it's ok to remove/revise the notes where the source of the data is now the publication itself. For example, the note talks about the year being from Worldcat, but you've found the date on the copyright page (and you've added a note to that effect). Other than the fact that this corresponds to OCLC #1806888 (which should be kept in the notes), most of the first two sentences are no longer relevant if you have the publication. Does that make sense? Absolutely no harm in erring on the side of keeping things and/or following an add-only policy, but I wanted to be sure you know it's ok to do more than that in this situation. --MartyD 12:00, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Harrison's introduction in Best SF 1970

Just a note that I accepted the addition of page numbers to the first US edition of this book, but converted Harrison's "Introduction" from a review to an essay. I also merged it with its counterpart from a later printing and set up a variant title for the retitled version of the intro in the Sphere edition. Thanks for editing! Ahasuerus 07:42, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Pre-decimal British currency

I accepted your change to this pub, but reverted the price from "6s. 0d." back to "6/-", which is the form we use here on the ISFDB for pre-decimal British currency. Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:35, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Non-Fiction vs. Essay

Hi. Approved your addition of Seven for Space, but I changed the types of the two introductory pieces from NONFICTION to ESSAY. We use NONFICTION for book-length works, and ESSAY for shorter pieces. You will rarely (if ever) have a case where you would set a content entry's type to NONFICTION. The distinction isn't obvious unless you've studied the help. Thanks. --MartyD 12:16, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Foundation's Edge

I approved your edit to this pub, but then cloned it, because mine was obviously a second printing. Also moved my verification, and deleted the note about the 2nd printing. I would have appreciated a message on my talk page. Thanks, --Willem H. 11:51, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Variant dustjacket for Travelers of Space

I've responded to your message to Gilgamesh on his talk page, but I just noticed that you'd uploaded the Binkley image by using the replace image method. So the Cartier image no longer links to the pub, the one you replaced it with (the Binkley art) is now displayed in the pub record for Travelers of Space. In the future, don't use the "Upload new cover scan" link if the images don't match. This link is to upload a better scan of the image than the one that's currently displayed in the record. If you look at the wiki page for the image, you'll see it is credited to Edd Cartier, who was the artist of the image you replaced. I could revert these changes but the image you just uploaded (the Binkley artwork) may be lost. If so, you'll have to upload it again, using the other method of adding images to the server. I'll let you know if I can save it. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:03, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

I may have the artists of the two images confused. Is the blue one by Binkley and the red one by Cartier...or the reverse? Mhhutchins 23:05, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
go ahead and delete the Binkley image I uploaded, and replace with previous Cartier (red) jacket. apologize for the hassle. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Markwood (talkcontribs) .
No hassle, but you should sign your comments with four tildes - ~~~~ :). I've reverted the image to the Cartier art, reloaded the Binkley image and linked it to the pub record's note field. Please add further notes to the record detailing what you know about each of the two dustjackets. Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:42, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors: A Search for Who We Are

I'm not sure if this title would be covered under the current policies about inclusion in the database. Was is your rationale for adding it? Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:13, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

This nonfiction book appears consistent with the other nonfiction books already listed for Sagan. It, too, is 'popular science', this time focusing on human evolution and biology. I'm just trying to fill in a missing title in a catalogued body of work. Markwood
Your submission doesn't credit Sagan as the author, only Ann Druyan. Those other books by Sagan are in the db based on their being reviewed in an SF magazine. I don't think we need to add every book every written by a scientist who wrote only one work of SF, but I'll allow the submission if you'll update it, giving Sagan credit. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:30, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
I've accepted the submission making the following changes based on the OCLC record: Changed the ISBN from "0-394-534881-6" to "0-394-53481-6", added the roman-numeraled pages, and added Carl Sagan as the co-author. If this matches your copy of the book please do a primary verification of the pub. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:07, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Bradbury Chronicles 2

I accepted the submission adding this new pub but removed the publication series in which you placed it. This is a title series and is already in the pub's title record. Mhhutchins 00:39, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

According to the OCLC record, the cover art is by Dave Gibbons. Are you certain that Bruce Jensen is credited as the artist? Mhhutchins 00:42, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, cover art for the hardcover edition is by Bruce Jensen, per back of dust jacket: 'Cover illustration by Bruce Jensen'. User:Markwood

Bradbury Chronicles 3

This record was accepted, and like the one above, I removed the publication series data. Also there's an error in how the cover artist is credited. If the cover art is a collaboration between two people each person must be credited in their own field. Press "Add Artist" to enter additional credits. Did both Timothy Truman and Steve Fastner create the cover art? Mhhutchins 01:07, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, both artists are credited on back of dust jacket: 'Cover illustration by Timothy Truman & Steve Fastner'. Thanks for reminder about entering each artist separately. (Doh! :)) I'll fix the database record. User:Markwood

The Inheritance by Robin Hobb (and Megan Lindholm)

Your note to update this pub states that Lindholm is credited as the author on the back cover. The ISFDB standard is to use the credit as given on the book's title page, because occasionally cover credit differs from title page credit. Can you confirm that the book is credited to both Hobb and Lindholm on the book's title page? Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:00, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Because of non-response, the submission was accepted, but the change in author credit was reverted to the original credit. If you feel this is in error, please leave a message here. Mhhutchins 22:22, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Never at Home

Hi. To answer your question about Never at Home's publication date.... Start with what does the book say? If that doesn't help, then look for secondary sources. Here, if I go to Aqueduct Press, I see they have "prerelease" pricing for orders before Aug 1, which sort of reinforces an August publication date. But if there were no information, then you might go with a July date based on your purchase. Regardless, I would include in the notes that you purchased a copy 2011-07-19. Unfortunately, being able to buy it doesn't necessarily say anything about the official publication date (other than it's somewhere near then).

A secondary comment: If you edit an entry whose notes claim Amazon (usually from Fixer or Dissembler -- two web crawlers) or any other secondary source as the source of information, you should delete that note, since now you are working off of the book. You'd only leave the note if there were some data elements in the entry that were not in the book and still came from the secondary source. --MartyD 10:54, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Gutter code on The Best from Universe

The gutter code is probably "O01" (the letter O followed by two numerical digits "01") in this pub which would indicate a printing in the first week of January 1984. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:42, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Creating line breaks in notes

If you want to make a line break in the note field, a simple keyboard return won't do it. You'll have to use HTML. Just add <br> at the end of the line before you start the next. If you look at the record you just updated, you'll see that all the data you entered into the notes are on one line and that it butts up to the previous one (with the LOC permalink). Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:04, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

The New Atlantis

I approved the submission adding the page numbers to the contents of this publication. Since the introduction starts on an Roman numbered page, you should also add those to the page count. Also, I noticed that OCLC gives the page count as vii+182 while the LCCN gives it as just 180. Can you confirm which one is correct? Mhhutchins 22:33, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Last page with text is numbered 180. There are 8 (viii) pages before page 1, with the 1-page intro on page vii. Markwood 01:44, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for updating the record. Please do a primary verification when you get the chance. Mhhutchins 16:19, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

A Wrinkle in Time

The submission adding a record for this printing of the title was accepted. There is no evidence that this was ever a selection of the SFBC. The definitive list was supplied to the rec.arts.sf.written newsgroup by SFBC editor Andrew Wheeler in 2003, and this title was not on the list. There is no doubt however that this edition was published by Doubleday for any number of their book clubs. When there is no direct evidence that a Doubleday printing was a selection of the SFBC, we give the publisher as "Publisher / BCE". Can you check to see if the words "Book Club Edition" are printed at the bottom on the front flap of the dustjacket? There is also enough evidence to date this to at least 1969. (A new FSG trade edition, using the Ariel Books imprint, was published in 1968 and at that time, book club editions usually appeared between 6 and 12 months after the trade edition.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:33, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

The dust jacket on my copy has both top & bottom corners of front flap clipped. Probably did have 'Book Club Edition', given other evidence (no edition/printing on copyright page, apparent book club number '2021' on bottom of back flap, blank back jacket), but can't verify. Markwood 00:21, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
I've made adjustments to the record that it's a BCE and dated it 1969. If we can later confirm that it was a SFBC selection, the record can be corrected. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:32, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Best of F&SF

This is a title series, not a publication series. I've removed it from this publication record. The series was already in the title record. Mhhutchins 20:27, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

F&SF 30 Year Retrospective

I linked the Amazon cover image to your verified record of this title. Mhhutchins 23:38, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Adventures in Time & Space

I accepted the submission correcting the price of this record. Is the $2.95 price printed on your copy's dustjacket? I need to note that the price given in Tuck is incorrect. Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:24, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, price in upper right corner of front flap of dust jacket is '$2.95'. Guess Tuck was rounding up. :) Markwood 02:50, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Adventures in Tomorrow

Can you confirm that the editor credit and all interior pieces in this edition are given to Kendell F. Crossen? The OCLC record credits the full name, but their older records may not be as reliable. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 15:28, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Far Boundaries

You should leave a note on the other primary verifier's talk page that you made some substantial changes to this record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:31, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

How to...

Click on the Wiki "Help" link and you're carried to this page. There's a link for "How to..." Clicking on that will carry you to this page. I would suggest bookmarking this page, as it has links to almost every function you will probably need to know in editing the database. There's a link here on How to merge titles. This will teach you how to merge the two separate title records for the same Ken MacLeod story. If you have any questions, please leave a response to this message. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:26, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

30 Years of MFSF

Hello, I spotted a faulty page numbering in this pub: Bretnor's Schimmelhorn story is catalogued on p. 2009 and I guess it should be - for example - p. 209. Could you take another veryfying look? Thanks, Stonecreek 10:34, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

And while taking another look: the stories by Boucher and Disch both begin on p. 273 in this pub? Stonecreek 14:42, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
Good catch. Thanks! There were 2 typos: '2009' was supposed to be '209', and '... Saint Aquin' starts on 294. I submitted the edits. Really appreciate you finding the errors and letting me know. Markwood 21:24, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
No problem: we all do the occasional typiung (see?) error. I was just linking the German publication of the anthology. Stonecreek 09:19, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Storm Over Warlock

Hello, I had to reject your modification to this pub, instead of modifying the record for the first printing, you should have created another record for what seems to the second printing. You can do this via the "Clone This Pub" item in the "Editing Tools" menu on the left of the screen. Hauck 22:15, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

OK. I submitted the clone edit. Markwood 22:27, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
Approved, thanks (you also can do a primary verification now). Hauck 22:32, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguating titles...

...should be done with parentheses, not brackets. I've corrected the title of the introduction in this record. Mhhutchins 03:45, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Serial LCCNs

Concerning your note in this record about a duplicate LCCN. This is called a serial LCCN because it's assigned to newspapers, periodicals, and book series, so that each successive volume can be grouped by librarians. I discovered this a few years back when I was working on other series like Universe, New Dimensions, and Orbit. You may have already been aware of the usage, but I thought I'd let you know just in case you may have believed the duplication to be an error. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:05, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Good to know. I'll re-edit the Galaxy Readers I've verified to use this terminology. Thanks! Markwood 22:32, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

The Eyes of the Overworld

There was a discussion about this title years ago (I tried to find it, but my Wiki search skills have failed me) in which the conclusion was to keep this title a novel and not a collection. It may have been because the individual works had been "fixed-up" to form the novel, or that the work was published as a novel instead of a collection. I really can't remember. If you want to begin a new discussion on one of the community pages, leave a note on the talk page of each of the verifiers. I'll hold your submission until the outcome of that discussion. I can't accept it as it is right now because you left the pub type as a novel. Now that we have the ability to import contents it would be easier than it was years ago to convert each of the pubs to a collection type and then import the contents. Mhhutchins 23:20, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I also can't find the original discussion, if it still exists. My own comment here gave one reason not to rework them, but this may be a sign that we really need to look at beefing up "based on" links. In the copious free time that Ahasuerus and I don't have. BLongley 02:34, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
If it was decided, then please ignore my edit and leave as novel. Markwood 06:06, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
It's possible that the main reason for keeping it as a novel was because of the difficulty in converting records. Software changes have made that much simpler. I see that two of the constituent pieces ("The Cave in the Forest" and "The Manse of Iucounu") were first published as a single piece ("The Manse of Iucounu") and another one ("Cil") was original to the book but subsequently published as a separate piece. The other pieces appeared serially in F&SF over the course of a few months (12/65-7/66). So that may be why the book is considered a "fix-up" novel instead of a story collection. If you don't want to initiate a discussion (things aren't so set in stone that they can't be changed), you can cancel the submission. I'll leave it in the queue and leave the decision to you. Mhhutchins 17:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Frost & Fire

I added a number of items to the notes section of a pub you verified, Frost & Fire by Zelazny. Biomassbob 01:48, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Gateway to Tomorrow

Quick question: is "Musuem Press" in this record's Notes a typo? Also, should the publisher be "Museum Press" rather than just "Museum"? Thanks! Ahasuerus 07:41, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

yes, those were typos. Thanks for pointing them out. Markwood 06:45, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

No Boundaries

I added some words to the notes section of No Boundaries that appear on the page opposite the title page to the effect that the book is a first edition, not a reprint. Bob 17:10, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Cover credit for The 7th Annual of the Year's Best S-F

Hi. I accepted your updates to The 7th Annual of the Year's Best S-F, but the cover art credit likely needs fixing up. We don't credit designers unless there's no other credit (in which case, we're sort of assuming the designer is the artist). If this cover is essentially a photograph, I think the credit should be solely to the photographer, recording the designer in the notes as you have done. Thanks. --MartyD 10:59, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Importing contents

I accepted the submission to add contents to this record, but the better approach would have been to import the contents from this record. This would have saved someone the trouble of having to merge the records you added to the ones that are already in the database. Before adding contents to a record, you should first check to see if another record has the same contents, or even almost the same contents, and then use the "Import Contents" function. You can always go back and make changes, or add and delete records, so that it matches your copy of the book. Mhhutchins 14:30, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Star Wars: A New Hope

I've approved your edit of this pub, however you'll need to revise the entry for the page count. The Introduction you added to the Contents is on page "v" however at present there is no Roman numeral page count included before the pages. See the EditPub Help page if you need information on how to do this. Thanks. PeteYoung 06:55, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

good catch. thanks. Markwood 19:50, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

BCE of The Last Space Ship

I accepted the submission to create a record for the book club edition of this title, but wonder where you got the publication date of 1949. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:54, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Didn't know how else to enter it, other than by setting 'year' field to 1949 (matching the copyright date, which in BCE was switched to Roman numerals, perhaps to confirm that edition's copyright was also 1949), and adding comment to effect I didn't know for sure. Is there a standard for handling situations like this? Markwood 03:32, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
  1. If the publication doesn't specify a date of publication, you can use a secondary source, which you should record in the note field.
  2. If you can not find a secondary source for the publication date, you can use the copyright year, but only if you're certain that this is the first printing of the first edition. You still should note that the book is not dated and you've had to resort to the copyright date.
  3. If you're not certain that the book is the first edition, or you're certain that the book is not the first edition (as in the case of a book club edition) and you have no secondary source for the publication date, you should enter 0000-00-00 in the publication date field, which will be displayed as "date unknown".
Please remember that, in most cases, it's not the edition/publication which is copyrighted. It's the work which is copyrighted. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:07, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
I accepted the date change to 0000-00-00. In doing so, I noticed the publisher is recorded as "Frederick Fell" instead of as "Frederick Fell / BCE". While trying to dig up a help reference for that, I found only "/ SFBC" is mentioned for Science Fiction Book Club editions, with no mention of treatment of other book club editions. Guess I will go bring that up and see. --MartyD 10:09, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
As far as I know this was not a selection of Doubleday's Science Fiction Book Club, which was founded in 1953. That doesn't mean they could have reprinted it several years later, but no sources give this title as a SFBC selection. Tuck doesn't give a book club of this title at all. It is the IFSDB de facto standard to use " / BCE" at the end of a publisher's name if the words "Book Club Edition" appear on the book, and it's uncertain that it was a SFBC selection. Mhhutchins 14:04, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
I added " / BCE" to the publisher on this. --MartyD 10:42, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Dating titles

Re The City on the Edge of Forever: The ISFDB records the date of first publication of a work, not its date of writing or the date of its production (if it's a play, teleplay or screenplay). So, I'm rejecting the submission to redate this piece to 1966 based on the author's assertion that it was written in that year. We may need to determine if it was first published in 1976, as that is currently the only publication we have of the work. Mhhutchins 01:16, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

OK, on that basis 1976 is correct date. Both of the intros, by Elwood and by Ellison, are explicit that this is the teleplay's first publication in this, its original unedited form. Thanks for clarification. Markwood 04:55, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction: Seventh Series - Data Check

I was doing a verification of The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction, Seventh Series and I found a few errors that might also be errors for your record copy of The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction, Seventh Series. Could you please check the title of "Lyric for Atom-Splitters', is it with or without a hyphen between Atom and Splitter? Is "Journey's End" listed with or without an Apostrophe?, and Lastly, is 'Full Circle' listed as by Dorothy Cowles Pinkney, or Dorothy C. Pinkney? - I suspect that all three of these are small typos that have coasted through the database for some time. We can probably fix them all at once ... once everyone checks in. Thanks Kevin 03:01, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

I did not update your verified pub, but some of the titles in your pub now have variants added. I recommend you double check your verification when you get a chance - Thanks Kevin 21:55, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
I checked these both in the first hardcover, and in the Ace paperback:

- 1st hardocver has hypen in Atom-Splitters. Ace paperback does not.
- Both have apostrophe in Journey's End.
- Both use 'Dorothy Cowles Pinkney'.
If these need to be corrected, could you please do that? I've not made this type of edit before. BTW, note that I deleted the listing for the Arthur Clarke essay 'Message to the Stars'. It is not in either publication. Thanks. Markwood 22:00, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Could you please double check on or about page 93. Is section V of Clarke's Venture to the Moon, titled "Who Wrote That Message to the Stars? Letters a Thousand Miles Long?" or is it titled "Watch this Space"? You see the 5 short stories that make up 'Venture to the Moon' were each previously published separately, and in some anthologies are listed as separate pieces, and in other as a single work. Take a look at the record for the book club edition Best from F&SF Seventh. If it has the alternate title, that might be the only place it appears (Since the title record Who Wrote That Message to the Stars? Letters a Thousand Miles Long? is now orphaned and doesn't have any appearances at all). Otherwise if your book does not have that title, we should consider removing the orphan title from the database. Kevin 14:41, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

The Year's Best Science Fiction & Fantasy 2012

Replaced amazon scan and expanded notes for your verified here. Hauck 12:46, 11 August 2012 (UTC)


I changed the price field in this record from "21s" to "21/-", the ISFDB standard of entering British shillings. If the price had been 21s/6p, it would have been entered as "21/6". Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:34, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Yefremov's Stories

Are you certain that the cover art of this publication was also done by the same artist that did the interior art? Is he credited inside the book for its dustjacket (which you say your copy doesn't have)? Mhhutchins 23:37, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

On ABE there are images of the book with dust jacket. The dust jacket art is identical to the embossed image on the front board. The credit "designed and illustrated by ..." seems clear that G. Petrov is responsible for book design, which includes the artwork on front board and dust jacket. However, let's snap to whatever is ISFDB standard. Feel free to edit as appropriate. Thanks.Markwood 00:22, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
In 99% of books in my collection, the term "Book designed by...", when credited on the book's copyright page, refers to the interior design of the book, not the dustjacket cover art. The ISFDB standard is to record credits as given. If you don't have the dustjacket, you can contact someone who does (perhaps the Abebooks dealers) to ask if they would check to see if the dustjacket art is credited. If you're unable to confirm the artist responsible, the field should remain blank. Mhhutchins 02:24, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
OK. Deleted the attribution for cover art. Markwood 04:12, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

The Red Peri

If your copy of this publication is a limited edition, it is better to clone the record and create a new publication record for it, making any changes or additions to it, and then do a primary verification of that new record. If you choose to do this, then cancel the submission to update the record for the trade (not limited) edition. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:55, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

OK, cancelled the edit, and will create new entry.Markwood 00:22, 20 August 2012 (UTC)Markwood 00:23, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Third Galaxy Reader

You might want to double check your verified pub Third Galaxy Reader. The work 'End as a World' listed by Floyd. L. Wallace, is listed as by "F. L. Wallace" in my book club edition. Usually these things are from the same printing plates (But sometimes they are not). I'm just recommending a double check. - Thanks Kevin 02:48, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Good catch. Fixed. Thanks. Markwood 22:48, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

"Better Than One", by Damon Knight and Kate Wilhelm

Your verified publication says that it was published without a dust jacket. This doesn't seem right to me. My copy has a dust jacket, which matches the picture of the book on that page and several other dust jackets on copies offered for sale, hence clearly published with the book. Of course it's possible that the book was published at Noreascon II without a jacket, and then later with a jacket, but that seems inconsistent with other copies available for sale. For example, this copy for sale has a dust jacket, and is not only signed bu the authors, but is inscribed by Knight, hence seems almost certain to have been purchased at the con and not later. This copy for sale on Abebooks has a dust jacket and includes the receipt for the book's purchase at Noreascon. Do you have any idea where the claim came from that it was published without a dust jacket? Chavey 12:29, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

I've deleted the note about it being published without a dust jacket. I added a couple of other minor notes. Chavey 11:00, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
I think there are two different editions. See the printing history on the NESFA website. --Willem H. 11:58, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
Good edit, well documented. Thanks for catching and fixing. Markwood 04:28, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
I found the right person at NESFA who gave me some details about the printing history. In response to my question about the dust jacket vs. the green book alone, Tony Lewis wrote to me: "The book originally had the plain white dust wrapper. Sometimes this was removed when selling at conventions because it was believed this improved sales." I have added this note to the publication. Chavey 00:34, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
And in case you're interested, this was in response to the following email question:
"In your web page about this book, you say of the Printing History:
"Text cover; No dust jacket or interior artwork. The front cover of the book has the authors' signatures embossed in gold."
But most copies of this book have a plain white, text-only, dust jacket. This includes copies which are fairly convincing about being purchased in the original distribution at Noreascon II. Am I incorrectly interpreting your phrase "No dust jacket"? Has the book always had that plain white cover, and that phrase just means there was no "professional, artistic" dust jacket? Or does it really mean that the original edition came with no dust jacket at all? Chavey 00:41, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Adventures in Time and Space

I added the cover artist to Adventures in Time and Space along with a note as to its source. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 00:31, 13 September 2012 (UTC)


Added cover scan and subtitle "An Anthology of Fantasy and Horror" from title page.SFJuggler 20:59, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Sturgeon's Maturity

Is the "Postscript" in this publication for the entire collection or just for the preceding story? Whichever one it is should be added parenthetically to disambiguate it, e.g. "Postscript (Maturity)". Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:03, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

File uploads

Please keep your cover image uploads to no more than 150K in size and no more than 600 pixels at its longest side. Exceptions can be made for wraparound cover art, but otherwise you should stay within the prescribed limits. Mhhutchins 07:14, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Yarbro's Cautionary Tales

Are the essays that you've added to this record entered exactly as they are titled in the publication (i.e. capitalization and punctuation)? If they are not titled at all, and all just a paragraph or two, it is not necessary to have created content records for them. A note in the pub record would have sufficed.

Also, you made a subsequent submission that made no changes to the record, only a "Note to Moderator" concerning the untitled poem. You should not make submissions that don't edit a record. In this case, you should have waited until the submission was accepted, and then made the necessary changes to the record. About the title of the poem, you should only title it exactly as it appears in the collection. If there is no title on the poem itself, but it is titled on the contents page or copyright page, or in the acknowledgements, you can add the title, but note the source of the title in the note field of the poem's title record (and the publication record if you wish.) If there is no title given at all, enter the first line of the poem exactly as given in the publication. Thanks. Mhhutchins 08:51, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, each of those essays has a title at top of essay, exactly as I entered them. The poem is untitled on page 207, but Contents page lists "An Indulgence" on page 207, so that must be its title. Markwood 04:41, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Great. Looks good, although it might be a good idea to note the source of the poem's title so that any future primary verifier doesn't try to remove the title from the record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:24, 7 January 2013 (UTC)


I accepted the submission to update this record, even though you didn't provide a source for your data. I can only assume that you're working from the primary source, since you added the cover arat credit and the page numbers of the contents. If so, please let the moderator know that in the Note to Moderator field, and then do a Primary Verification of the record after the submission is accepted. If you're working from a secondary source, that source should be given in the Note field. Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:14, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, primary verification. I entered a 2nd primary verification for the publication. Markwood 00:22, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Flow My Tears

You made subsequent submissions to update this record. If I accept the second submission, all the changes you made in the first will be reverted back to the original data. It's important to wait for each submission that updates the same record be moderated. I'm going to go ahead and accept the second, but then I'll have to go back and return the data you added in the first. Please look at the record once I've finished to confirm that everything you wanted to note is there. I don't think it will be necessary to keep the note about the dealer because you say that the ISBN is stated in the book itself. The number is invalid, even if it stated (it's a publisher error). The only way to get around that error message is to add a "#" before the number that fools the software into thinking it's a catalog number instead of an ISBN. I'll note this in the Note field. Mhhutchins 01:03, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Whoah. Now you've made a third. This is going to take some time to figure out just what to keep and what not. Please stop updating this record until I've sorted it out. Mhhutchins 01:04, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

It's ready to be updated if you need to make any more changes. Thanks. Mhhutchins 01:16, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

My sincere apologies for having you jump through those hoops. I didn't understand how your view of the editor worked, and I assumed each edit would make incremental updates. I won't make that mistake again. I reviewed the end state, and you got everything perfect. I see you also put "One Plus One Studio" in the "artist" field. I wasn't sure that a "Studio" would be considered an "artist". Thanks for that fix & clarification. And, again, thanks for sorting out the multiple edits. Markwood 00:58, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
"Studio" or "Company" as Cover Artist is one of those things we've not settled. I'm frankly against putting a company in there - after all, filling the field with a new name leads to problems like the new "author" suddenly needing birthdate and birthplace etc. I've not complained too much about this before though, although I recall publications like some of Robert Rankin's - e.g The Dance of the Voodoo Handbag where the author is actually the creator of an item that gets professionally photographed by someone else... we'll get round to sorting out the code in a year or two I'm sure. BLongley 05:15, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Image file upload standards

I've noticed the last few cover images that you've uploaded are at 640 pixels. We ask that image files not exceed the height of 600 pixels (see the standards here). Please set your scanner and/or image software to this limit. Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:19, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Replacing image files

You seem to have had some trouble uploading a replacement file for this image. Whenever you replace a file, you must clear your browser's cache, otherwise the original image is seen regardless of how many times you go to the publication record or the wiki page. Just hit your "F5" button (in most browsers) after you've replaced an image and you'll see the new image. Thanks. Mhhutchins 01:40, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Doh! :) Thanks for explanation of what was happening. Markwood 00:29, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Herbert's Direct Descent

I've accepted the submission updating this record and agree with your assessment that this should have been typed as a CHAPTERBOOK instead of novel. I've made the appropriate changes in this and all other publication records. A question: is Garcia explicitly credited with the cover art in your edition? My mmpb edition doesn't credit the cover art. Thanks for looking. Mhhutchins 01:12, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

There is no visible signature on the cover or any interior illustrations, and on the copyright page it says, "Illustrations copyright (c) 1980 by Garcia". Just an opinion, but it appears to me the color cover art is stylistically similar to the black-and-white interior illustrations. However, I'd appreciate if you edit the record to align with ISFDB standards in this situation. Thanks. Markwood 02:36, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
The copyright page statement is rather clear about the illustrations, but without an explicit credit for the cover art, it would be best to leave the field blank. The UK edition of this title retained the interior illustrations but had different cover art, which was explicitly credited. I'll remove the cover credit from this record until a time when a credible secondary source supplies further data. Mhhutchins 04:49, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

File exceeding limits

This file exceeded the limits in both dimensions (800 pixels) and size (196 kb), so I reduced it to be within the ISFDB standards (no more than 600 pixels, and no larger than 150 kb). Mhhutchins 08:21, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Conklin's Science Fiction Terror Tales

I've expanded the notes to Conklin's Science Fiction Terror Tales. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:23, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

"Dreams That Burn in the Night", by Craig Strete

I corrected the spelling of two stories in the ToC of your verified publication: The Night Xenex Sanurian Took a Wallflower to the Prom had "Sanvrian" instead of "Sanurian", and We All Lived in the Warm Aquarium had "Live" instead of "Lived". Chavey 23:25, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Markwood 23:40, 10 March 2013 (UTC)


A short piece of nonfiction which is contained in a larger publication should be entered as ESSAY. The type NONFICTION is reserved for book-length works. I've changed several introductions (e.g. this one) which you've entered as NONFICTION to ESSAY. Mhhutchins 01:21, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip, and for fixing those into listings. Markwood 23:42, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Notification request

Please don't post any messages on this page without reading the notice. Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:10, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

A Treasury of Science Fiction - Conklin

Can you check your copy of Mine has a cover price of $3.00 on the dustjacket and you list $3.50. Variant, perhaps?SFJuggler 05:24, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Good catch. Was a typo. Thanks! Markwood 06:26, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
The original price probably came from Tuck. I added a note about the difference. --Willem H. 10:06, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

The Best Science Fiction and Fantasy of the Year: Volume Seven

Hello, I've replaced the amazon scan and changed Paul J. McAuley to Paul McAuley for his story in this pub. Hauck 16:41, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Good-Bye, Robinson Crusoe and Other Stories

I added notes about the publication date and story introductions to your verified Good-Bye, Robinson Crusoe. Also changed the publication date from 2013-04-30 (can't be true) to 2013-04-00. Hope you can agree. Thanks, --Willem H. 09:28, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

All good edits. I didn't check the pre-existing information carefully enough when verifying & updating. Appreciate the catches. Markwood 21:18, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

"Forward" or "Foreword"

Please confirm the spelling of the title on pag 7 of this publication. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:27, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it's "Forward". Markwood 17:25, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
I will make a note of its unusual spelling so that other editors won't have to ask the question again. Mhhutchins 19:07, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Interior artwork

Interior artwork should be titled the same as the work they illustrate. Do not use the term "interior artwork" in the title as that is explicit in the type of the record. Please correct the titles of the mistitled interior artwork credited to John Polgreen in the Willy Ley books. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:33, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Editors v. authors

By ISFDB standards, the editors of NONFICTION- and ANTHOLOGY-typed publications are considered the "author" of the work, unlike the editors of NOVEL- and COLLECTION-typed publications who can only be credited in the Note field. That was how the software was designed (long before most of us started working here). I suppose it was simpler to create a single field to record the credit for the one(s) who were most responsible for the work, without creating multiple fields to record individual roles for each publication. Maybe one day the software will be updated to create more fields with more finely defined roles of responsibility: editor (for novels and collections), translator, adaptor, etc. Mhhutchins 00:54, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

A Visitor from Outer Space

I changed the editor field credit of this record from "Anonymous" to "uncredited", the ISFDB standard for an anthology which doesn't credit the editor of the work. It now matches the title record. If this was incorrect, and the editor is actually credited as "Anonymous" on the book's title page, please make a submission to change it back. Thanks. Mhhutchins 06:21, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Strange Signposts

I've changed the notes of this record to conform to standard ISFDB entry of the LCCN and OCLC record numbers. Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:55, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

The Art of George R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice & Fire

Re: your note. You may add the interior art that you like to add. There's really no need to add all of them. Stonecreek 19:13, 22 June 2013 (UTC)


If you wish to remove content titles from a publication record, go to the record and click on the link "Remove Titles From This Pub" under the Editing Tools menu. On the next page, you have the option of removing any of the contents by checking its box. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:57, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Done. Markwood 05:18, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

"Catastrophic Disruption of the Head" variant

Hi. I have your submission that would make this a variant of this on hold. I freely admit I could be looking right at it, but why a variant instead of merging them? Thanks. --MartyD 10:54, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

You're right, should have merged. Just took care of that. Thanks. Markwood 18:34, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Beyond Tomorrow

Please move your primary verification to this record. I cloned it from the record which you had updated, which should have remained as the first printing of the title. (There's a record for the library edition at a different price). When you've PV'd the new record, remove it from the original record to which I've restored the original data. Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:55, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

BTW, I noticed that the essay "More Good Reading in Science Fiction" is on page 333, while the OCLC record, the LCCN, and Reginald all give the page count as 332. Is that last page numbered? Mhhutchins 06:00, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

OK, I see that the LCCN gives a "Bibliography" on page "[333]" which means it is unnumbered. The way to enter this situation in a record is to give the page count as "xv+333+[1]" and then give the content page number in brackets: "[333]". Thanks. Mhhutchins 06:03, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Interesting. Good to know. Thanks. Markwood 04:15, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Worlds of Wonder

I added some notes to Worlds of Wonder. Bob 19:11, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Great addition. Thanks! Markwood 19:26, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

The Toymaker

I added some words to the notes for The Toymaker. Bob 18:47, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I've added Currey's description of first printings, plus description of another jacket variant I've got that wasn't in Chalker's list. Markwood 21:11, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Strange Worlds

I added some notes to Strange Worlds. Bob 18:12, 13 August 2013 (UTC)


Yes, there should be separate records for different editions of [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:29, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Cover image for The Immortal Storm

This file at 172 kb was over the requested limit of 150 kb. So I re-sized it to meet the standard. Please keep this size limit in mind when uploading cover image files in the future. Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:11, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Editor's Choice in Science Fliction

I'm holding the submission to update this record. We ordinarily do not create individual content records for an editor's untitled story introductions. (Imagine the thousands that have been published over the years and the ISFDB records that would have to updated if such a practice became standard.) It's usually sufficient to note the presence of such introductions in the record's Note field. Is there anything about the ones in this book which would make them extraordinary?

Also, we do not add information to Note fields which is specific to one copy of a publication, including a personal inscription. If it adds value to the record, it can be added to a Bibliographic Comments page (there's a link on each pub record that creates such a page.) Mhhutchins 19:32, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I see now these pieces are NOT written by the anthology's editor but by the editor who originally purchased the story. Now I can see the value in that. I'll accept the submission, but remove the redundant "untitled" part. The parentheses already indicates that there is no title. (I'll remove the note about the inscription and leave it to you if you wish to create a comments page.) Mhhutchins 19:46, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
Yes, that's why I typed them all in. Glad you kept them. :) Thanks for response on the inscription. Policy makes sense. Markwood 05:55, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

"What Will They Think of Last"

I accepted the submission adding contents to this record, before I realized that you've credited the contents to "H. L. Gold", while the book is credited to Horace L. Gold. How is the author credited on the book's title page? Mhhutchins 02:18, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Book credit is Horace L. Gold. It's my understanding that, if I had credited all the essays to that name, then there'd be dozens of records to setup as alternate versions for the same title by H. L. Gold. That seemed like a lot of unnecessary work and a lot of unnecessary records in the database. So I figured I'd just credit them to match the existing records for all those essays. The book credit is clear, so it seemed totally unambiguous to do it that way. That said ... I'll leave it to you to decide whether to change all those authors to Horace L. Gold. Your call. Sorry about making extra work if that's what you decide. If you do that and want me to setup all the alternate listing connections to the exiting essay records, then just say so. Markwood 02:56, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
It's not my call. It's an ISFDB standard to record work as credited, regardless of how much effort there may be in creating variants. I'll do it. Mhhutchins 03:03, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
OK, I'll edit the story records. Markwood 03:20, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Wow, you already did it! I hope it wasn't as much work as I thought it would be. Thanks for taking care of that, and thanks for explaining the ISFDB standard for this. Markwood 03:23, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Actually, I'm only about half finished. The variants have to be made and I'm still working on those. Unlike the single submission to change the author credit of each content record in the essay collection, now each of them has to be individually varianted to the original title record. Mhhutchins 03:29, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Something just occurred to me: since you made the author credit conform, is it possible you also made the titles conform? It's odd that each of them were exactly as the title already in the database. Even one that was titled "Editor's Page: To the Hills!", the original one of which had the column name in the title. If the titles in the collection (as they appeared on the essay's title page, not on the book's table of contents), please make corrections. Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:36, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I did add "Editor's Page:" to "To the Hills!" to match, but I see you fixed that. All of the others were titled exactly as the ISFDB records, including punctuation, with the exception of "QWERTYUIOP". The ISFDB record for that is spelled with a "U" instead of "W", which I suspect is a typo but I don't have that copy of Galaxy to confirm. This has been (yet another) good learning experience. Really appreciate your attention to detail. I'll emulate in future. Markwood 03:50, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
You could have posted a message on the primary verifier's talk page asking about the spelling of that piece in the magazine. I'll do that for you. Two more questions: Is "The Riches of Embarrassment" fiction or essay? There's a record in the database of a piece published in Galaxy, April 1968 with the same title verified as fiction. Also, there were two editorials with the title "Of All Things", in the issues for June 1953 and December 1959. Does the essay collection give the dates of the original essays publications so that you can confirm that the piece here is the 1953 piece? (I've already varianted it to the 1953 piece, because that's the date you gave the reprint.) Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 03:59, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
I know you'll be glad when we're done with this entry. :) "Riches of Embarrassment" is an essay. The essays do not have individual credits, just a credit on copyright page "Copyright 1950 through 1961". However, the essay mentions a March 1958 magazine, so it must be the December 1959 version. I've edited the book listing. Markwood 04:26, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
I'll need to correct the variant then. I'll ask the verifier of the April 1968 to check on "Riches..." to determine if it's the same as this essay. Can you give me the first sentence of the piece? Mhhutchins 04:49, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
It's likely they're the same, and I can see why another reader might validly consider it fiction. First sentence is, "The Costellos, two great little people well under five feet tall, had moved out of the one-bedroom apartment to the left of mine, and my neighbors and I wondered apprehensively who would move in." It's in Gold's first-person voice, and it tells an amusing mundane story about an easily offended neighbor. However, it does have a snarky SFnal denouement: "In ten years of ceaseless research, I have never found any discussion, much less theory, concerning the power that Miss McGivney clearly possessed. This can therefore be counted a First. Here it is: Using a previously unknown and unsuspected ESP faculty of the mind, Miss McGivney unconsciously manufactured embarrassing incidents." After that is a paragraph using this conceit to lampoon the neighbor, ending with "Poor world of Miss McGivney!" So, now that you know the contents, I'm curious: in ISFDB is this considered an essay or short fiction? (And at this point it won't surprise me if there actually is an official standard. :) Markwood 18:08, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Orbit 19

You'll have to also change the dates of each of the content records in this publication. Mhhutchins 03:26, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

done Markwood 03:42, 13 September 2013 (UTC)


When entering the stated Library of Congress Catalog Card, Library of Congress Catalog Number, or Library of Congress Control Number (its latest incarnation), it should be entered in the format "LCCN: xxxxxx" This will help if or when the time comes when the LCCN gets its own field, and the universal change can be made instead of having to update each publication record. I've corrected the format in this record, and linked it to the LoC's website record. Linking isn't required but very beneficial. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:27, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Battle on Mercury

Re this publication: Is the piece "Life in a Dome" a nonfiction essay, or is it a fictional introduction to the story, making it part of the novel, and thus not eligible as a separate work? Mhhutchins 04:10, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

It's a nonfiction essay. Markwood 00:04, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

In the Wake of Man

If there is no explicit editor credit for this publication, the publication record should reflect that. If there is sufficient and strong evidence that Elwood was the anonymous editor, we can make the title into a variant credited to him. This is the ISFDB standard for crediting uncredited responsibility. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:13, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Only mention of Elwood in the book is on copyright page as copyright holder, and there is no editor credit. Seems those 2 facts would justify making it a variant so that users researching Elwood could link to this book. But it's your call. Feel free to edit, or just let me know what to do. Markwood 06:20, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for checking the secondary sources. Nice edit. Markwood 20:31, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
I've removed the editor credit from the publication record, added a note that Elwood holds the copyright, and made the editor record into a variant by Elwood. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:59, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Planet Earth

Is Wyler's Planet Earth speculative fiction related? It sounds like a science book, not speculative fiction related non-fiction. If so, it doesn't qualify for inclusion. Her one included non-genre non-fiction book is included as it was reviewed in a speculative fiction magazine. That doesn't seem to be the case here. Am I missing something? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 12:20, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

OK, I wasn't clear on the boundary. Was just adding a similar pub to a listed author's record. The book has early 'space age' context and a 10-page section discussing satellites and what it would be like to travel to the moon, but it is not otherwise related to speculative fiction. Sorry to bother you with it. Markwood 19:19, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
No problem. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:39, 20 October 2013 (UTC)


The notes you want to add to this record seem to apply to a later printing. If so, a new record should be created. You didn't source the change so I'm not certain if you're working from the actual edition that this record is for, or a later printing. If you think a new record should be created, cancel the submission I have on hold. Thanks. 21:58, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

I've got the July 1978 printing that I referenced, and I've seen other printings of the 1963 Doubleday reprint edition, both in bookshops and online. They've all got the Zimmerman jacket, and later printings have the same ISBN. Thought it made sense to add that info to the root record for first edition of the 1963 printing, then clone it to produce separate listing for my 1978 printing. But it's your call. If my edits to the 1963 record are inappropriate then please decline the edit. Thanks. Markwood 00:03, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
There's no such thing as a "root" publication record. Each publication record is distinct and is tied to a title record which could be considered the "root". There is no purpose in providing data in a publication record about a later printing for which you'll be creating a publication record. The record for that later printing will speak for itself. Notes should be specific to the printing for which the record was created. I'll reject the submission. Mhhutchins 01:06, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
OK. I'll add record for my July 1978 printing. Markwood 01:18, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Analog 1

The OCLC record you note in this record does not give 1961 as the copyright year, but the year of publication. (Also, don't forget to add a colon after "OCLC" and before the record number.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 01:10, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I inherited that OCLC statement from whoever setup the record, and just added the word "incorrectly" since I was verifying the publication date. I'll edit to fix per your direction. Thanks. Markwood 01:22, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
I accepted the submission, but reverted it to show the incorrect dating of the OCLC record. If you're going to give a secondary source in the Note field, you should note any exceptions between that source and the actual book. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:15, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Analog 5

This publication is not in a publication series. Its title is in a title series. You'll have to remove the publication series from the record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:48, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

done. Markwood 03:58, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Analog 6

Can you see if there is a book club id number on the back flap of this publication's dustjacket? It should be a four-digit number either in the high 1900s or low 2000s. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 03:52, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it was there. Edited record. Thanks for catching this. Markwood 03:59, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Atlas Printing of From Unknown Worlds

I've added the price for From Unknown Worlds. I've also removed the note about the price clipped jacket. Happily my copy was not clipped so I was able to provide the data. I've additionally corrected the page count (it was 128) and added an item for the interior artwork. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:37, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Very much appreciated. Thanks! Markwood 18:24, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Delany & Chaykin's Empire

I changed the type of this record from NOVEL to CHAPTERBOOK and added a content record for Delany's fiction. Mhhutchins 17:22, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Copyright date vs. Publication date

The ISFDB publication record provides the date of publication, not the year of copyright. If there is no stated publication date, only use the year of copyright after all secondary sources have been exhausted. If you do so, note that the date is from the copyright statement, because of the lack of a publication statement. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:52, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

The source for the 1958 date of Teen-Age Super Science Stories was probably Locus1. Tuck and the LCCN give the year as 1957, so I've accepted the submissions. I'll update the record to note the source of the date. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:57, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

I will have to reject your submission to clone the original pub, because it was submitted before the ones changing the date of the contents were accepted. If I accept the clone submission, all of the stories' dates will revert to 1958. Keep this in mind when making simultaneous submissions that contain changes in content records. Also, are you certain that the Grosset & Dunlap edition came out the same year as the Lantern Press edition? According to Tuck, the discounted edition was published in 1958, although he doesn't credit Grosset as the publisher. As I said above, if your book doesn't have an explicit statement of publication, you must use a reliable secondary source. If there is no source, and knowing this was published by another publisher in the year of copyright, it is better to just zero out the date to have it displayed as "unknown". Grosset & Dunlap books, to the best of my knowledge, rarely gave a publication date, as they reprinted "cheap" editions of titles. Mhhutchins 19:08, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

To avoid your having to rebuild another submission, I'll do that from the data you provided in the rejected clone submission. Here is the new record. Mhhutchins 19:10, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for corrections and explanations. Every edit is a learning opportunity. :) FWIW, I don't have a copy of Tuck, so went with the 1957 copyright date. Markwood 19:28, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
You can update the record's date and give Tuck as the source. Or zero it out, based on the fact that it was published in the same year by another publisher. If you need to look up anything in Tuck, leave a message on my talk page. No problem. Mhhutchins 20:26, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Publication dates from various sources

If a book provides a publication date, then unless we believe there's a printing error of some sort or that the book is reprinting an earlier edition's statement of printing, what we see printed in the book trumps what other sources say. So I think for Orbit 8, December from the dust jacket's 7012 should be used instead of Contento's October. The only question would be whether yours could be a later printing. I will see if the other moderators have an opinion about changing the date (which then would also affect the dates on the stories). --MartyD 11:43, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Two firm opinions agreeing with me, so I will change the date to December (your notes already cover the situation nicely). --MartyD 17:14, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Paul Lehr / Orbit 9

I accepted your changes to Orbit 9, but I restored the Paul Lehr cover art credit based on the notes from the 1971 Berkley Medallion edition that has the same cover artwork. There someone found confirmation of the artist in Jane Frank's Science Fiction and Fantasy Artists of the Twentieth Century. I copied that note into the notes in this edition. --MartyD 11:56, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I really didn't want to delete the Lehr reference because it's obviously his artwork. I'm delighted that you could document the attribution. Markwood 20:02, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Red Mars excerpt

Is the excerpt titled "Festival Night (excerpt from Red Mars)" on page 47 of this publication? Or is it simply "Festival Night"? If this is the first publication of this excerpt under this title, it should have the date of the publication in which it was first published (April 1995), not the date of the work from which it was excerpted. Although this may not be specifically documented in the help pages, it is my belief that the fact that it is a new title that it deserves to be dated when first published as this title. If the excerpt had the same title of the work, then there would be a stronger case for dating them the same. If you disagree, please start a discussion on the Rules & Standards discussion page. Also, I rejected the submission to change the publication record. If you change a title record, it is automatically changed in the publication record, so there's no need to do two submissions. Mhhutchins 21:18, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

As always, thanks for the coaching on ISFDB standards. In Nebula Awards 29, the title page, and the story title on page 47, says "Festival Night from Red Mars". The copyright acknowledgment is, "'Festival Night,' an excerpt from the novel 'Red Mars' ...." It appears whoever entered the ISFDB record for trade paper of Nebula Awards 29 added the parentheses around "from Red Mars". Markwood 21:34, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
If the "from Red Mars" part is in a different size font and/or on a different line it's considered a subtitle and should be entered as "Festival Night: from Red Mars". Mhhutchins 21:52, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
"from" is in different font and "Red Mars" is same font as "Festival Night" except italicized. Markwood 22:10, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Nebula Awards 29

Sorry I had to reject your submission which updated this record because it would have taken too much work to merge all of the newly created content records with the ones that are already in the database. (I'm also sorry for the time you took in entering all of those contents unnecessarily.) The best way to handle such a situation is to remove all titles from the record, and then import the contents from the record which contains as close as possible to the contents in the one you're working on. This one for example. I'll do that for you and then let you make any changes to match your publication. Mhhutchins 21:47, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

BTW, according to the OCLC record, this book has xii+307 pages, and also published under the Harvest imprint. If so, the publisher should be given as "Harvest / Harcourt Brace". Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 21:50, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Same situation with the imprint used for Nebula Awards 30. Mhhutchins 21:53, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm holding a submission to update Nebula Awards 32, another one in which again you're adding content for records already in the database (see this record). Please let me know if you understand the import procedure which I'm talking about. I can walk you through the process if necessary. Mhhutchins 23:05, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

You say "content ... already in the database", but the titles I added were not (still are not) in the hardcover listing I was editing. Since there were just a few titles missing, I thought it faster to add them rather than delete all & import all. For titles I added, I tried to enter exactly as in the trade paper listing by doing cut-and-paste from the Title data. (If you spotted any variance from the canonical Title data, then those would be typos I need to correct.) I've never used the "Import Content" tool, but sure I can figure it out. Let me know if there's a reason to use it versus the process I followed. Thanks. Markwood 23:29, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
They may not be in the publication record, but the titles you are adding are already in the database: Keeping Up by Elizabeth Hand; Must Have Been Something I Ate by Lucius Shepard; Interactive Science Fiction: 1996 by Keith Ferrell; The British Scene (Nebula Awards 32) by Ian Watson, etc. etc. By adding another identical title record to the database, you have to make another submission to merge them. Doing the importing of these titles to another publication record, you can avoid the follow-up submissions. And each merge requires a separate submission. That means you'll have to make nine more submissions to "fix" this record, when importing them would have taken only two submissions: remove and import. If there were only a couple of duplicate titles, it would be easier to use the new "Import Titles" function, where you can list the title record numbers of each of the titles to be duplicated. But when there are as many as nine records to import, I think the procedure I've explained would be better. Regardless, I'm going to accept the submission, and then ask you to merge the records. This may help you see why the method I explain is the better choice. I'm not saying you CAN'T add duplicate titles. I'm just trying to explain an easier way to do it. Personally, I'd rather not have to deal with accepting multiple submissions when only one or two would have done the same thing. Mhhutchins 00:57, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
NOW I get it. :) Thanks for your patience. I've merged all the new records I created. I really appreciate the coaching. Markwood 01:26, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
I did the "delete all" & "import contents" process for I'll complete editing the record once those edits are accepted ... or you let me know if I did something wrong. Thanks for your patience. Markwood 00:09, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
Very good. Thank you. Mhhutchins 00:57, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
Amidst all of the others, perhaps you overlooked my question about the page count and the imprint. I see you've removed Harvest as the imprint used on these Nebula Award anthologies, while most of the OCLC records indicate them as "A Harvest Original". Can you re-check to see that this is not the case in your copies? Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:17, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
"Harvest" is an imprint Harcourt uses for paperback and trade paper editions. I've got 4 Harcourt trade paper Nebula Awards books. Numbers 20 & 22 say "A Harvest/HBJ Book" on the back, and "Harcourt Brace Jovanovich" on back, title page & copyright page. Numbers 31 & 33 say "A Harvest Original" on back and title page, and "Harcourt Brace & Company" on back, title page, and copyright page. In ISFDB, for 20 & 22 I entered "Harcourt Brace Jovanovich", following the examples of trade paper editions of Nebula 20-26 (excepting un-verified 23, which uses "Harvest/HBJ".) For 31, I entered "Harvest/Harcourt Brace" following the examples of Nebula 32-33. (BTW, I believe the hardcover Nebula 33 probably has incorrect publisher, since I've never seen "Harvest" used on a hardcover Harcourt book.) FWIW, I checked all the Publisher listings in ISFDB for "Harvest", but didn't see any consistent pattern in how the 5 Harvest/Harcourt variants are used. Given this info (and apologies if it's TMI), I'll be glad to edit my verified books any way you think appropriate. Markwood 06:28, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
The rule of thumb is to use the publisher as stated on the title page. In the case of some publishers who publish simultaneous hardcover and trade paperback editions (like Harcourt's Nebula volumes), the trade paperback may have a different imprint. If that's the case, then use the ISFDB standard of "Imprint / Publisher". I see there are currently three different variants of the Harvest imprint in the database: published by HBJ (1977 - 1992), Harvest / Harcourt Brace (1993 - 2000), and Harcourt (1999-2008). If any of your verified pubs are trade paperbacks, please check to see if any fall within this range and use the appropriate imprint. If they are hardcovers, use the publisher as stated on the title page. Thanks. Mhhutchins 01:28, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Foreword to Brave New World

Hi, I have found a possible hint that your edition may actually be from 1949. In my edition Huxley's Foreword has the signum '1949 A. H.' at its end. Could you please take a look if that is the case here? Thanks, Stonecreek 10:37, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Interesting. Mine has no signum at end of Foreword. It's possible you've got a 1949 edition with updated Foreword. Here are some 'points' on my copy:
- On front jacket "a new edition of a famous novel with a special introduction by the author"
- From blurb on back flap of dust jacket: "... in his foreword written especially for this edition ....", "He notes that fifteen years ago ....", "... the foreshadowed possibilities of fifteen years ago ...."
- Ad on back of dust jacket for Huxley's book 'Ape and Essence' begins, "Sixteen years ago Aldous Huxley's Brave New World was a literary bomb ...."
- Opening sentence of Foreword: "Chronic remorse , as all the moralists are agreed, is a most undesirable sentiment."
- Beginning of last paragraph of Foreword on page xix: "All things considered it looks as though Utopia were far closer to us than anyone, only fifteen years ago, could have imagined."
- Closing sentence of Foreword: "You pays your money and you takes your choice."
If your copy differs from any of these points, or from any of the other info about mine in the ISFDB record, then you should enter as a new edition. Markwood 19:55, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
Well, my edition isn't from that early at all, but the notion "Sixteen years ago Aldous Huxley's Brave New World was a literary bomb ...." does indeed speak for a later publication than 1946, since the novel was first published in 1932, doesn't it? Also, Ape and Essence was published only in 1948, which is also a clear hint for later publication (they wouldn't place an ad two years in advance). The copyright really is only the year the copyright was assigned and has nothing to do with the year of publication per se. In this light (taking the notion of 1949 for the Foreword into consideration) a publication year of 1949 seems all to reasonable, I think (still pretty early!). And I do believe that this is the first edition featuring the specially written Foreword. Shall I adapt the publication (and the title record for the Foreword)? Stonecreek 10:06, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Good points. I hadn't checked publication date of 'Ape and Essence'. So I agree my book was likely published in 1948 or later. But how do we explain the fact it does not have a signum on the Foreword like yours? Does your book have all the points I listed? Markwood 21:50, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Well, at some point later in time it must have been a possible need (for Huxley or the publisher) to mark that this Foreword wasn't part of the original publication in 1932. So this signum was added to emphasize it was written and/or published in 1949. I'll try to capture our state of knowledge in the publication's notes. Please take a look if it is to your liking. Stonecreek 09:03, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Good edits. Thanks! Markwood 18:59, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Analog 2

Can you check to see if there is a gutter code present in this edition? It should be visible in the gutter of the last page of text or one of the preceding pages. Thanks for looking. Mhhutchins 23:54, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

No gutter code in my copy. However, it has been re-bound by a library, omitting any pages which might have followed page 275 and its blank reverse, so it's possible there's a gutter code on an un-numbered page after 275. Markwood 01:56, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Darn! Guess it didn't hurt to ask. Thanks anyway. Mhhutchins 03:37, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

The Atomic Story

In contrast with the cover credit, is the author credited as a "Jr." on the title page of this book? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 07:18, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Good catch. No "Jr" on title page, either. It appears only once, in first use of Campbell's name on back of dust jacket. All other appearances of his name are sans "Jr". FWIW, the bio info on jacket downplays SF editing and refers to him as a "science writer", so omission of "Jr" appears intentional. Any recommended editing sequence to correcting the title record and the book record, and connecting them back to the canonical Campbell record? (Or, is this something you might do quicker than me? :) ) Markwood 19:01, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
It is a multi-submission process, so it would be quicker if I did it. If you ever want to try your hand at it, here are the steps:
  • Edit the publication record to make the Author1 Field match the publication's title page credit. Because this is a non-container type record without any other publication records under the same title record, you can also update the content title record at the same time. Submit.
  • If there were more than one publication attached to the title record, or if it were a container type record (ANTHOLOGY, COLLECTION, OMNIBUS), you'd have to make another submission to "Unmerge" this publication record from its title record.
  • Once the first submission has been moderated, you go to its title record and create a variant title record using the "Make This Title A Variant Title" function, replacing the credited author's name with canonical author's name in the Author1 Field at the bottom of the variant screen. Submit.
Mhhutchins 19:46, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

I added the Canadian price to your verified

I added the Canadian price to your verified [1].Don Erikson 05:13, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Strange Ports of Call

I'm holding your submission to change the Price field of this record. Shouldn't the stated price be given and then the stickered price be noted? (That's ordinarily the ISFDB standard.) In any event, it should be discussed with the other primary verifier before making a submission to change it. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:46, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

I see you left a message here, but if you will read the verifier's notification preference you'll see that page is to notify him if you've "added a COVER IMAGE or NOTES..." Any other changes to data fields should be posted on his talk page, and, as I said above, before submitting a change. Mhhutchins 22:50, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Posted note to I'm not clear on your comment that the $4.00 price printed on the jacket should be "given" and the $3.75 price which is often found stamped on the jacket should be "noted". Thought that's what I did. Can you please clarify ... or, if easier, just fix my edit? Markwood 01:29, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
By "given" I meant entered into the ISFDB record's Price field. By "noted" I meant that it should be entered into the ISFDB record's Note field. Mhhutchins 02:14, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
The only thing that gives me pause about the edit is that Tuck lists the price as $3.75. Unfortunately, neither Currey nor Contento mention the price at all. My copy is clipped with the stamped price, as you describe. Because of the Tuck listing I could speculate that the intent was to sell the book at $3.75 with the %4.00 price being a misprint. However, that's purely speculation. I don't really have a problem with the edit, but we should probably expand the note stating the price in Tuck. After Michael approves the edit, I can further expand the notes and mention that my copy has the altered price. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:41, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
I'll accept the submission, but believe that the stated price should be the entered into the Price field. But it's not my record. I'll let you two decide, but make sure the notes make everything clear. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:16, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Just submitted an edit to Notes with reference to Tuck. Agree it's not clear which price to put in price field. However, even if the $4.00 price was a mistake, that's what P&C printed on the jacket, and there are instances of the book with un-clipped jackets, so it seems clear the $3.75 price followed the $4.00 price. Markwood 03:17, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
I remembered a few more places to research this, but unfortunately it muddies things a bit more. Derleth's own bibliography lists this book with the $3.75 price. The review in the Spring 1948 issue of The Arkham Sampler has the #4.00 price, whereas the review in the November 1948 issue of Startling Stories has the $3.75 price. I have one other of the reviews (from Amazing) but it doesn't have the price. I'm going to expand the notes. I don't have a problem with the $4.00 price in the metadata field. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:15, 27 January 2014 (UTC)


I've never seen dustjacket art credited in the interior of the book as "Design by..." as you've noted in this record. It always means the book design, not the dustjacket design. Is there cover art credit on the dustjacket itself? Mhhutchins 04:22, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

I have the same concerne with the cover art credit you've given in all of the last set of submissions. Mhhutchins 04:25, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Reason I was submitting these edits are (1) I'd previously submitted 3 edits with art by Sidney Solomon noting "Design by Sidney Solomon", and they had been accepted; and (2) I noted that the art on all these jackets designed by Sidney Solomon are clearly by the same artist when you look at them side-by-side. However, if the ISFDB standard is "designed by ..." may not be used as art credit, then I'll go back and edit all of these to leave the artist blank. Your call. Markwood 04:36, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
I've deleted all art credits I'd submitted based on "Designed by". I apologize for making you do all this extra work. Note that the only "Sidney Solomon" art credit left is, which is not my edit or verification. FWIW, I do have a copy of that book, and its only credit for Sidney Solomon is "Designed by". FWIW, that's why I originally entered a Sidney Solomon art credit for my BCE. In any case, thanks for the guidance on this. Markwood 05:01, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
I'll accept the submissions to remove the credit and ask the verifier of the last credit about his reasoning for giving Solomon cover art credit. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:28, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
I see that you didn't move the credit to the Note field to acknowledge the book's design credit. It's not required, but it might be a good idea in this case to avoid any future conflict in credit. Your call. Mhhutchins 17:30, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

The Saliva Tree and Other Strange Growths

Does the word Strange appear on the title page of [this] edition? A [discussion] about the Sphere editions shows it's there on a false title page but not the real title page [in the paperbacks]. Thanks for checking. --~ Bill, Bluesman 04:53, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes. The full subtitle "and other strange growths" is not on the half-title page, but it IS on the title page, and the jacket front, and the jacket flap. Markwood 08:45, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Cover Image for "Away from the Here and Now", by Clare Winger Harris

The cover image for your verified Away from the Here and Now is (was) an impressive 1367 X 1534 pixels large. The ISFDB standards limit cover images to be at most 600 pixels in either direction, so I have scaled the picture (presumably from you) to the standard size and replaced the previous image. Chavey 19:31, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I posted a handful of uncompressed images in my early days on ISFDB, but don't have records to find and fix. Appreciate you fixing this one. Markwood 19:45, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
If you wanted to check, on the main "" page, menu bar on the left, the last item under the first section ("Logged in as") is "My Primary Verifications". If you go to that page, it will show you all of the verifications you've done. The list is deliberately in chronological order, oldest first, because many of us have wanted to go back at look at those early attempts and re-consider whether we did them right. It's a bit of work, but I know in my own case that doing that helped me clean up a bunch of mistakes I made that the moderators didn't catch. Chavey 19:55, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

"The Hunting of the Snark"

Hi. I believe your proposed 1876 MacMillan hardcover duplicates this entry. I have the submission on hold. See what you think. Thanks. --MartyD 11:29, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Good catch. Thanks. Hadn't seen it in the chapbooks section. Markwood 19:01, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

"Glass Future"

Re this record: we now have a dedicated field in the title record which creates a direct link from the ISFDB record when you give the full URL of the webpage. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:21, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Derleth's Beachheads in Space

Several of the stories in Derleth's Beachheads in Space are listed with the incorrect title or form of the author's name. I am changing the following:

  • "The Star" that we have by "David H. Keller, M.D." should be by David H. Keller
  • "Beachhead" that we have by "Clifford D. Simak" should be by Clifford Simak
  • "Meteor" that we have by "John Beynon" should be by John Beynon Harris
  • "And the Walls Came Tumbling Down" should have an ellipsis at the end of the title.
  • "The Ambassadors from Venus" that we have by "Kendall Foster Crossen" should be by Kendell Foster Crossen, though the misspelling exists in the table of contents. The name is correct on the title page.
  • "To People a New World" that we have by "Nelson S. Bond" should be by Nelson Bond

I'll go ahead an make the changes. Let me know if you disagree or have any questions about any of them. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 05:44, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Markwood 06:08, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

"Away From the Here and Now", by Clare Winger Harris

I added a couple of notes to your verified book, and corrected the name of one story from "Menace from Mars" to "Menace of Mars". Chavey 00:21, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Good additions. Thanks! Markwood 02:36, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Marooned on Mars

Hi, Could you please check whether your verified copy of Marooned on Mars is indeed #5 in the Winston Science Fiction series, as is suggested on Wikipedia and given on LibraryThing?--Dirk P Broer 10:29, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

it is likely #5 since there are 4 other Winston titles listed on back: Son of the Stars, Five Against Venus, Find the Feathered Serpent, and Earthbound. Markwood 14:26, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Rocket Jockey

Hi, same kind of request, now for Rocket Jockey by 'Philip St. John', aka Lester del Rey. It would be #7 of the Winston Scence Fiction Series, according to LibraryThing.--Dirk P Broer 19:28, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

It's definitely one of the first 10 since published in 1952, but all 10 of the 1952 Winston's are listed on back of jacket, so no evidence that it's #7. Markwood 14:27, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Conditionally Human: novelette and/or novella?

Re: Walter M. Miller, Jr.'s SHORTFICTION published here. Do you have the opportunity to take a look if there's a note that this is an expansion of its first publication in Galaxy? There it might have been a novelette, but judging from the length in your verified book and later publications it surely is a NOVELLA at least from that time on. Alas, both of the primary verifiers of the issue of Galaxy aren't active anymore (and one of them probably installed the NOVELETTE length). Thanks, Christian Stonecreek 10:14, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

The editors' intro confirms "minor or even major revisions" by the authors to "most" of the stories, with one (they don't say which) getting "a substantial new episode". (I'll add the full quote to the book's listing.) Using the magazine info in isfdb I compared magazine vs book page counts for the 5 stories, and from that data it looks feasible that both Leinster's story (79% more pages in book) and 'Conditionally Human' (91% more pages) were lengthened from novelette to novella. By comparison, the other 3 stories gained 28%, 22% and 35%. Of course, I can't verify the magazine page counts, so this data is suspect. However, it seems the additional data from later publications of Miller's story should be sufficient to change it to a novella variant. As you've probably already checked, Contento lists both the Leinster and the Miller as novelettes. I'll be interested to see what you decide. Markwood 18:33, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
FWIW I checked the intros & story credits in the other 2 Bleiler & Dikty "Year's Best Science Fiction Novels", and found no mentions of stories being modified. Markwood 19:07, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Roberson in this reference book indicates that the novella was "slightly revised" for its inclusion in the collection. The wording also seems to point to a novella lenght in both cases. Hauck 19:39, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much to both of you. I'll install an informational item on the Community Portal. A similar case will there be made for Miller, Jr.'s The Darfsteller. Stonecreek 05:47, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
I wouldn't recommend comparing a magazine publication with a book publication to determine word count. First, many magazine stories are continued in the later pages of the issue. Second, many magazines have smaller fonts, and double columns. In the case of "Conditionally Human" in Galaxy, thirty-four pages could very well contain more than 17,500 words. Mhhutchins 05:58, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
I just did an estimated word count of "Conditionally Human" as it was published in this collection using Swfritter's word count calculator, and it came to over 21,000 words. Even accounting for this story being heavy with dialogue, this would definitely be a novella. Mhhutchins 06:09, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Image upload problem

What was the trouble with the uploading of this image? Did you perhaps forget to clear your cache and the original image kept appearing each time you uploaded it? Mhhutchins 06:39, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

I see what happened now. The image linked to the record had a different URL, and you assumed it would replace it automatically. That only happens when the URLs are the same. But I see you saw that too and changed the URL to the new image. Thanks. Mhhutchins 06:51, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
yep :) Markwood 16:27, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction: 15

For The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction: 15 does the title page state "15" or "Fifteenth Series" as per the cover? If the title page matches the cover, then the record's title should be updated. If the title pages doesn't match the cover, then it is good to add a note to the publication to avoid future questions. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:28, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Good catch. It's "Fifteenth Series" on jacket, book cover, half-title page, and title page. Made the change. Markwood 23:41, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Masterpieces of Science Fiction

Re this publication: Please make the date field match the publication date given in the note field, or vice versa (1966 or 1967). Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:27, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Missed that. Thanks for catch. Fixed it in publication & title records. Markwood 18:53, 4 May 2014 (UTC)


Are you certain that this 2001 publication has an ISBN-13 and not an EAN? If it's just a number above a barcode, it is not the ISBN-13 which wasn't created until 2005. If it does state ISBN-13, then you have a later printing. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 04:13, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

You are correct, it's on the barcode. It's used by booksellers on ABE as ISBN. Since there's an incorrect ISBN on the copyright page, thought I should enter the ISBN used on ABE. I'm not clear on ISFDB standard in this situation, so please edit as appropriate. Thanks. Markwood 04:20, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
Are your certain that the ISBN on the copyright page is incorrect? It comes up with plenty of hits on and that's the number listed on the publisher's website, and in the OCLC record. What about it is incorrect? Mhhutchins 05:17, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
BTW, the ISFDB standard is to record the ISBN as stated in the publication, with the one on the copyright page having precedence over the one on the dustjacket or cover (if they don't agree). If it's an invalid ISBN (as opposed to an "incorrect" number), you can add the number sign (#) before it so that the checksum error warning doesn't display on the record. Mhhutchins 05:20, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
You're right. I've corrected the record. FWIW, I made a 'cut and paste' error when I searched the ISBN. Apologies for wasting your time on this. Markwood 05:35, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

This Island Earth - Raymond F. Jones

Added artist credit, publication date and some links to This Island Earth.SFJuggler 03:29, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Markwood 06:44, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Best SF Two

The submission updating this record made no visible changes in the data. What were you attempting to do? Mhhutchins 20:00, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Updated image. For some reason yesterday's upload didn't post, so I uploaded again, and cut-and-paste the URL just to be sure. Record is now correct. Markwood 20:28, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
You don't have to "update" a publication record to change the URL if you've uploaded a new version of the cover image file. The URL doesn't change. The reason it "didn't post" or wasn't visible was because you didn't refresh the page. Unlike many websites, the ISFDB doesn't auto-refresh pages if there's been a change in the page. That must be done manually by the user (usually hitting "F5" will do it). Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:13, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
Looking at the wiki page for the image file, you should be able to see that there was no need to do a second upload of the image file. If you click on the date/time fields of the three uploaded files (under File History), you'll see that both images you uploaded are identical. Just remember to re-fresh your cache, or you will always see the original file which was loaded into it when you first went to the page. (Unless you've set your browser's preferences to never keep copies of web pages in its cache.) Mhhutchins 21:18, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
Good info. Thanks. Markwood 21:27, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Astounding essay variants

Hi. Questions about two of your make-variant submissions, which I have on hold:

  • One submission would make this a variant of an identically worded and credited new parent title. I can't tell which part of that is mistaken.
  • The other submission would make this a variant of this. That's indeed worded differently, but I see in looking at the two containing publications that one is supposedly a facsimile reprint of the other. If that's true, I'd expect the titles would be identical in each, since it's a facsimile. I'm thinking you and Ron should see if the title should be credited the same way in each (and so merged, instead of varianted).

Let me know what you think. Thanks. --MartyD 11:49, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Need your help on this one. This book contains a photographic reprint of the contents of this magazine, so my goal is to merge the content title listings so that both the book and magazine are shown when looking at one of these content titles (for example, like this What appears to be causing the trouble with the two you note is that Campbell's contents are credited to 'The Editor'. They don't show up in John Campbell's listing so I can't use the 'Check for Duplicate Titles' editing tool. That's why I used the 'variant title' tool. I'm also unclear on whether Campbell articles credited to 'The Editor' are supposed to show up on John Campbell's listing; some do, and some don't, so I can't spot the ISFDB standard. I'd welcome guidance. Markwood 03:57, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
If the book is a photographic copy, all credits for the original Astounding material should be the same as those in the magazine (but don't blindly follow the magazine entry; see below). Remember we go by how the works are credited in the material itself. Now, where a piece is credited to The Editor, but something then tells us who The Editor actually is, what we do is make a variant of the "The Editor"-credited material to a title with the same wording but credited to the actual canonical person (John W. Campbell, Jr.). So your example is not done correctly. The magazine has "Addenda" credited to The Editor, and then has that a variant of it credited to John W. Campbell, Jr. The "as by" in the content display:
 • 6 • Addenda • [Editorial (Astounding)] • essay by John W. Campbell, Jr. [as by The Editor ]
tells us its original credit in the publication. The facsimile reprint, however, has "Addenda" credited to John W. Campbell, Jr., not to The Editor:
 • 6 • Addenda • [Editorial (Astounding)] • (1939) • essay by John W. Campbell, Jr.
One of these must be wrong.
So, what should you do? If what you see in the book does not agree with what has been entered for the magazine, you should double-check with the magazine's verifier, Rkihara. Everyone makes data entry mistakes, and perhaps something was entered incorrectly there. For the specific "Addenda" example, if it is credited to "The Editor" in your book, then you should use "Remove Titles From This Pub" to remove it, and you should use "Import Content" to bring in this one. By the way, using "Import Content" would have let you make the book use the exact same contents as the magazine (you can import entire contents or individual titles). For ones you have entered that you want to merge, where Check for Duplicates or Show All Titles is too overwhelming, use "Title Search Form" section of Advanced Search: put in the title, use the "AND" option, and put The Editor and choose Author as the second field. That will find you matching titles and will let you merge. If you find a The Editor-credited one that is known to have been done by Campbell, but there's no existing variant, then you'd make one to a new parent having John W. Campbell, Jr.
For the two I have on hold, the "In Times to Come" variant should be cancelled. You should make a variant to a new parent, credited to Campbell, Jr. And you should do a merge of the The Editor-credited ones (there are two at the moment). Do one of the two things first, wait for acceptance, then do the other. The second one, too, should be cancelled. You should come to an agreement with Ron about how the entry should be worded, then one should be fixed to match the other and both should be merged. If one or the other is worded correctly, you can actually "fix" and merge at the same time by merging and keeping the wording that is agreed to be correct (use the "note to the moderator" to warn the reviewing moderator you're keeping the correct wording, since a merge of two different wordings can look like a mistake).
I hope that helps. If you have any questions or problems, just ask. Rkihara is also a moderator and quite active, so asking him about specific entries in things he has verified could lead to his doing some things quickly that otherwise might take multiple submission + approval cycles. --MartyD 11:20, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
Incredibly informative & helpful. Thanks! There was a pre-existing listing for the hardcover reprint, and it had some differences from Ron's listing for the original magazine. Unlike Ron's, the hardcover listing had separate titles for each letter in Brass Tacks, which looks desirable since there are some early fan letters by well known authors. Otherwise, the contents in Ron's listing are superior and authoritative. Therefore, here's what I'd like to do:
1. Cancel the 2 previous submissions. (done)
2. In my hardcover listing, delete all the titles which are also in Ron's magazine listing.
3. Import the contents from Ron's magazine listing.
4. For contents by "The Editor" which are not connected to Campbell, do as you've recommended and create a Campbell listing then connect both Editor versions to it.
5. Post a note to Ron's page pointing to this conversation and suggesting he import the individual letter listings from the hardcover listing into his magazine listing.
Please let me know if you're OK with this, or if there's a better approach. And, again, thanks. Markwood 21:28, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
I'd say start with #5, in case Ron has some further suggestions or wants to take some actions. The rest sounds fine, although for #2 and #3, merging what's already entered would require fewer steps than removing, deleting, and importing. But whichever way you feel most comfortable with will get you to the same place. --MartyD 01:35, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Frank R. Paul collection

Re this publication: Can you confirm that the three pieces are credited to "Anonymous" or are they simply "uncredited"? Thanks for looking. Mhhutchins 04:43, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

They were uncredited, but authorship of the book is credited to Jerry Weist so attributed to him. Markwood 23:38, 9 July 2014 (UTC)


Re this record: We ordinarily don't create content records for acknowledgments unless it is an actual essay and not just a list of thank yous. Could that be said of the content you added to this record? Mhhutchins

It's in the form of an essay, with more than just a list of thank yous. Markwood 00:31, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Proposed Modification to a record you verified

Hello. You verified this, and per our courtesy rules I am asking for your comments on my proposal to change the title from "The World That Couldn't Be and 8 Other SF Novelets" to "The World That Couldn't Be and 8 Other Novelets from Galaxy". I look forward to your input. Thanks! --Steeltown Jim 22:27, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

I have accepted the submission based on the OCLC record which gives the extended title. If this is not the title atated on the title page, please make a submission to change it back. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:10, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Good change. I should have caught that when I edited the stub. Thanks. Markwood 00:31, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

The Stranger

I have changed the credit of The Stranger to "L. E. Modesitt" (no ", Jr.") based on ISFDB standards of crediting as shown on the story title page. I'm assuming your verified signed edition matches the unsigned edition in this regard. If not, let me know here and I'll separate the records and restore the ", Jr." on your version. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 00:05, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Good catch. Thanks. The "Jr" is everywhere else (contents, copyright & limitation pages plus jacket front & blurb) but not the story's title page. Just a comment: the ISFDB standard certainly makes sense as a tie-breaker, but perhaps not so well for a 'heavily out-voted' outlier which is an apparent typo. Markwood 03:50, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

A Pictorial History of Science Fiction

Can you check this verified pub again? The notes say 'No printed price', but on the front flap of my copy's dustjacket is the statement 'UK Price £3.95'. If the dustjackets are different I'll add a note about this. Thanks for checking, --Willem H. 08:32, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Interesting. No price anywhere on jacket of my copy. Could mean mine's the US edition and yours is UK. Here are some other points to compare:
- boards: black cloth embossed in silver on spine
- "Printed in Holland" on back flap, and "Printed by Smeets, Holland" on copyright page.
- publisher's cities on copyright page are "London - New York - Sydney - Toronto", and address is "Astronaut House, Feltham, Middlesex, England".
- ISBN on copyright page and back flap.
If you decide we should enter a variant, then suggest that you edit the current record, and I clone it to create US variant. But your call. Markwood 20:45, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
As far as I know, there was no US variant. The UK printing was distributed in the US (I have a copy of the second impression, which was purchased in a retail store in the US.) Mhhutchins 22:05, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
OK. I've restored my verification, made no edits. Thanks for adding the note about dustjacket variants. Markwood 22:41, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Space Movies

Can you confirm that the title as given in this record reflects the title given on its title page? According to OCLC the title is Space Movies: Classic Science Fiction Films. Thanks for checking. BTW, I've deleted the record for a separate US edition. Mhhutchins 01:14, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

I didn't make that change because wasn't sure which of these was definitive:
- Title page: subtitle "Classic Science Fiction Films"
- Half-title page: no subtitle
- Copyright page: no subtitle
- Spine of book: no subtitle
- Jacket: subtitle "Classic Science Fiction"
Based on your comment, I'll add the subtitle from the title page. Thanks for deleting that 'US edition'. Markwood 01:25, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
ISFDB standard: the title on the title page, including subtitles, trumps the titles that appear anywhere else in the publication and should be used in the Title field of a publication record. The Title field of the publication record does not have to exactly match the Title field of the title record. That title should be the canonical title. For example, the title page of The Courts of Chaos may give it as The Courts of Chaos: An Amber Novel, which should be used in the Title field of the publication record, but not in the Title field of the title record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:09, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Pseudonym and variant functions

When making an author into a pseudonym, it is important to variant all of the titles under that pseudonym to ones credited to the canonical author. I've done that for you in the case of N. C. Hanger / Nancy C. Hanger. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:12, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Markwood 20:00, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Teen-Age Super Science Stories

You verified the author of Teen-Age Super Science Stories as Richard M. Elam, Jr. The cover shows Richard M. Elam. Does the title page have Richard M. Elam or Richard M. Elam, Jr.? --Marc Kupper|talk 08:38, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes, "Jr." is on title page of book. Markwood 21:49, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. I added a note to the publication record about that. While adding the note I noticed a minor discrepancy which is "There are 25 "Teen Age Library" titles listed inside FFEP, ending with this book." The problem is, this publication is #27 implying there should be 26 and not 25 titles listed. --Marc Kupper|talk 01:24, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Added a note that the title list inside book omits two titles from jacket back. Markwood 18:19, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Children of the Steet

Re this record: While Edgeworks Abbey is an imprint of The Kilimanjaro Corporation (i.e. Harlan Ellison), Severn House has been around for decades as a British publisher. Also, it's very likely this is a phantom record, as it appears that there was one edition which was distributed in both the US and the UK (based on your notes). If you can't substantiate proof that there were two separate editions, I would suggest deleting one record and verifying the one remaining. Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:34, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

I agree that there should be only one record. Let's keep the one I just edited, and delete the other one. Thanks for catch on 'Kilimanjaro'. Didn't know that, and misinterpreted the info on copyright page. I'll clean up the note. Markwood 01:18, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Serpent's Egg

Can you confirm the spelling of the bonus story in this publication? It's being reprinted in a new Lafferty collection as "Grey Ghost: A Reminiscence". (The note also spells it as "Grey..." instead of "Gray...") Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 04:04, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Confirmed: on the story's title page, page 167, and on the limitation page, the title is "Gray Ghost, A Reminiscence". I've submitted a correction for my mis-spelling of limitation page. Markwood 04:16, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the change. In the meantime, I confirmed that the reprint is also titled "Gray..." Mhhutchins 04:26, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Periodical page counts

It is ISFDB standard to include the covers for publications typed as MAGAZINE or FANZINE. That's why I'm holding your record to change the page count of this issue from 132 to 131. If you include the covers in the count, most periodicals have a page count in a multiple of 4. If you conclude that the submission was in error, please cancel it. Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:33, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

OK, then page count should be 132. Easiest if you accept my edit, then I'll correct the page count (or you're welcome to correct it.) Thanks for clarifying the standard for magazines. Markwood 05:46, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
I didn't see that you'd also added notes. (Once I saw the page count change I didn't go any further!) I've accepted the submission and reverted the page count. Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:50, 15 January 2015 (UTC)


I'm holding a submission to update (not clone) this publication record, changing its title, changing it from a MAGAZINE to an ANTHOLOGY, changing its price, and adding five additional editors. I actually think you have the same edition represented by the record. Regardless of the format, this is a periodical publication, thus its type as MAGAZINE. It also states "Lightspeed Magazine" on the copyright page. About the editor credit, the ISFDB doesn't credit all of roles you cited as being the editor of the publication. The price may have changed since it was listed on Amazon. If your copy has a stated price of $17.99, you can cancel the submission and update the record. Or if you're not convinced that your copy is sufficiently different from the current record, you should cancel the submission and create a new record for what you consider to be an ANTHOLOGY. Either way, you'd have to cancel the submission. Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:19, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Ah-ha! I see now what you're doing. Sorry it took so long, but I went back and saw that this differs from the ebook edition with a new story. But I don't believe it should be considered an ANTHOLOGY. I'll accept the submission, and you can lay out a case for it being one. Mhhutchins 03:41, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
You should also get rid of those other editors. Mhhutchins 03:44, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Sorry to make you work so hard on this one. I'll make all the changes you cite, and I appreciate you clarifying the ISFDB standards for this situation. FWIW, though the copyright page does say "Published by Lightspeed Magazine", I'd classify it as an anthology because it's a 489-page "Limited Edition" trade paper book which I believe would be shelved with anthologies in a library. It doesn't appear to be a 'periodical publication' since it's the only one in its series (, but there are ISFDB anthologies which were periodically published: In any case, I'll follow your guidance, and thanks for the help. Markwood 05:03, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

The Kid from Mars Interiorart

I've been entering Virgil Finlay art books, and several have an illustration from The Kid from Mars. Is there more than one interior illustration by Finlay in that pub? Bob 16:41, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

No, there's just the one: a meticulously detailed picture of The Kid lifting a sleeping woman. I've edited the book listing to add the interior illustration so that it appears on Finlay's page. Markwood 06:56, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for taking the trouble. Much appreciated! Bob 14:15, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Author's name in the title

Are you certain that the author's name is in the title of this publication? That is, on the title page it is given as H. G. Wells: The War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, and Selected Short Stories and credited to H. G. Wells as well. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 01:33, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

"H. G. Wells", in larger font, precedes the rest of the title on the title page (and on the jacket front and flap.) The half-title page has only "H. G. Wells", which I interpreted to mean it's the title of the book and the rest ("The War of the Worlds" etc.) is subtitle. However, if there's an applicable ISFDB standard, let's follow it. Markwood 05:34, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Disregarding the half-title page, your entry only makes sense if the full title page states "H. G. Wells: The War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, and Selected Short Stories by H. G. Wells". If there is no "by" credit on the title page, then it appears to me that "H. G. Wells" is not part of the title, just the author credit. I don't think there's an applicable ISFDB standard as it doesn't seem to be logical to interpret it any other way. If you disagree, please start a discussion on the Rules & Standards page, and we can create a rule for this situation. Mhhutchins 05:50, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
OK. Edited. Thanks for guidance. Markwood 06:00, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Buck Rogers

This book is credited to Calkins on the cover. Can you confirm that Nowlan is credited on the title page? Also, is there a way to determine if there are more than 40K words of text? Otherwise, this appears to be a CHAPBOOK. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 01:14, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Also you changed the author credit of the title record to "Philip Francis Nowlan" but not the author of the publication record. They should match or it's an error.

According to OCLC the book is credited as "by Lieutenant Dick Calkins and Phil Nowlan with over 150 pictures to color". Is your copy different? Mhhutchins 01:18, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm struggling with this listing, and would appreciate your guidance. The OCLC credit is correct, and as it appears on the title page. Nowlan is the author & Calkins is the illustrator. Should I include Calkins as an 'author'? The reason I edited the title record was trying to get the book to show up in Philip Francis Nowlan listing. Thought I could do that by just changing the title record, but leaving the book record as "Phil Nowlan". Please let me know correct method for that outcome. Regarding length, there are 17 chapters, but doubt they average more than a few hundred words each, so, yes, it should be a chapbook. Good catch. Thanks for helping me sort this out. Markwood 01:31, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
The author field of a publication record must match EXACTLY the author field of its title record. There's no way around it. If you can answer my question about whether this is a novel I can make a better decision about how the publication should be handled. I suspect that it should be a CHAPBOOK credited to Calkins and Nowlan, with content records for the SHORTFICTION credited to Nowlan and the INTERIORART credited to Calkins. Mhhutchins 07:36, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
BTW, the way to "to get the book to show up in Philip Francis Nowlan listing" is to credit the record EXACTLY as published and then variant its title record to the canonical author. (Phil Nowlan is already established as a pseudonym of Philip Francis Nowlan.) I assumed that you were already familiar with pseudonyms and variants. Ask if you need help on how to do that. Mhhutchins 07:39, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Stand Still and Die

Would you please confirm that Stand Still and Die in your verified Children of the Streets does not have a exclamation point? Other versions of this story have the exclamation and I want to confirm before varianting. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:04, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it has an exclamation point. I submitted edit to fix. Markwood 19:13, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
It's easier to merge the two versions. That takes one step to fix vs. adding, removing, and then merging the new version created via the add. So I rejected your edit and then merged them. I appreciate you checking. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:29, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Good tip. Thanks. Markwood 21:37, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Fantasy Voyages Great Science Fiction from the Saturday Evening Post

I think the publication you want to add is already in the database. (And you've entered it under the wrong title record.) If this record matches your copy, please cancel your submission and update/verify the existing record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:35, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Also, HTML is only allowed in the Note field. Its use in any other field messes with searches. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:41, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

I cancelled the new pub and edited the existing. Just now saw your note about HTML in title. I'd appreciate if you could take it out of edit I just submitted. Now that I know, won't do again. Markwood 05:02, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Pub entered under the wrong title record

Because this publication has a different title, it should not have been created using the clone function. You should have used the "Add New Anthology" function, completing only the metadata section of the entry form. After that was accepted you could have imported the contents from the other publication record. I'll have to unmerge this publication from its current title. I'll let you decide whether it's sufficiently different to remain a separate title or to variant its title to the original. Mhhutchins 06:38, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

I made the new title a variant of the "Gosh! Wow! ..." title. This is just a hardcover edition of the PBO, with new illustrations and some minor re-titling to Ackerman's essays. Note the copyright attribution for "Gosh Wow ..." on the copyright page of "Sense of Wonder ...". But if there's a better way to do this, I'd appreciate the correction/coaching. Markwood 18:19, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
The problem wasn't with whether it's a variant. The wrong function was used to enter it into the database. You shouldn't use the CLONE function if the title is different from the record you're cloning. (The software shouldn't allow changes in the title and author field when cloning, IMHO.) I agree it should be varianted. Submission accepted. Mhhutchins 18:29, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Ah! OK, thanks for coaching. Markwood 18:35, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Campbells Islands of Space

I've expanded the notes to Campbell's Islands of Space. I've also added Bincley as the cover artist as I found a published source stating he did the jacket. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:55, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

The Art of Robrt McCall

I have added a note to this book adding the Canadian price which is printed top right front flap of dust wrapper. --Mavmaramis 21:01, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

thanks Markwood 02:04, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Greenberg's Travellers of Space

I have some questions regarding your verified copy the the Martin Greenberg edited anthology Travelers of Space. According to the secondary sources, there were two printings (1951 & c. 1955) and two jackets (Cartier & Binkley). One source, Chalker/Owings, as well as the notes on the first printing indicate that the second state jacket was used for some copies of the first printing and they speculate that there may have been two bindings of the single printing. My copy of the first printing does have a first edition statement on the copyright page, directly below the copyright statement. If your copy also includes this statement, then it is either the supposed second binding of the first printing, but definitely the second state jacket. If not, then yours is the second printing which Chalker/Owings dates as c. 1955. This other source has a definitive 1955 date. If yours is a first printing with the second state jacket, I think it's fine to have two records for the separate states, but I'll adjust the notes on the record with the Cartier jacket to indicate your record. I'd also recommend that we add an additional record for the true second printing. Alternatively, if yours is a second printing, it's probably OK to just reference the second state jacket in existing Cartier jacket record, as it is now. However, you may want to adjust the date on your record. Regardless of which edition you have, there are a few errors with the contents that I'd like to fix. If you agree, I'll fix the shared content records which will correct these errors for both our copies. The corrections I want to make are:

  1. Peeples' credit for "A Dictionary of Science Fiction" should be "Samuel A. Peeples".
  2. Kyle's credit for "The Interstellar Zoo" should be "David Kyle"
  3. Heinlein's credit for "Columbus Was a Dope" should be "Lyle Monroe" (this one will have to be handled by editing both our records).
  4. Since it's clear from the table of contents that Peeples' preface if for the dictionary, I'd suggest changing the disambiguation to the title record so that it reads "Preface (A Dictionary of Science Fiction)". I'm not even sure we'd still need the note regarding this if we made this change.

Let me know if you agree with this changes and any ideas that you have regarding which printing/edition you have. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:49, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

I've got 2 copies, one with each jacket:
- Both copies have "FIRST EDITION" on the copyright page, and identical contents including the misspelling of "Peebles" and other points you note. I can see that I did not carefully review the titles and authors in the stub I verified; all need to be the same as in the canonical listing for the first edition with red Cartier jacket. If you wish, I can do that clean-up.
- The books have identical binding: gray cloth boards, with red cloth on the spine that has silver-embossed title on spine and blind-embossed rocket and star motif on front. This means my copies do not support the speculation of "two bindings of the single printing." However, the jackets that came with each book have folds and wear consistent with being as published, so this appears to support the source you cite that a "second state jacket was used for some copies of the first printing." (FWIW, without that source, you could also argue that a later jacket was put on a jacketless 1951 First Edition by a book collector back in the 1950's.)
- The blue Binkley jacket has the same $3.95 price as the red Cartier jacket, and the same blurb text on flaps. However, it has "Illustrations by Edd Cartier with Jacket Design by Ric Binkley" on bottom of front flap, versus "Jacket illustrations by Edd Cartier with Design by David Kyle" on the red Cartier jacket.
- The red Cartier jacket has 10 titles on back, 3 of which were published as late as 1951: 'Journey to Infinity', 'Foundation', and 'The Fairy Chessmen'. The blue Binkley jacket has 30 titles on back, 6 of which were published as late as 1953: 'The Robot & The Man', 'King Conan', 'Second Foundation', 'Against the Fall of Night', 'Iceworld', and 'Children of the Atom'. This is why I listed my Binkley jacketed book as published in 1953.
I really appreciate your scholarship on this book. Since you've done the work and have the sources, I agree that you should edit my verified listing with the additional info about 1st printings in a later jacket, but I strongly recommend that you leave the publication date of my verified listing as 1953. While you're editing it you can also clean up the author & story titles to match the First Edition if you wish, but I'll be glad to do that after you've added your comments. It's your call if you've got enough evidence to create a new, 3rd listing for a 1955 edition. Thanks! Markwood 06:40, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I agree with you about not changing the date. I was only suggesting the 1955 date if you had a true second printing. I've made the edits and have updated the notes on your record. Of course, you should feel free to rework the notes if you'd like something stated differently. I'll go ahead and clone your copy for the second printing. Thanks again.

The Ice Dragon by George R. R. Martin

On The Ice Dragon by George R. R. Martin, not removing or changing anything, but will edit spacing and add OCLC Susan O'Fearna 21:55, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Weist's Frank R. Paul Book

If you've no objections, I'd like to replace the single interiorart title in Jerry Weist's Frank R. Paul: The Dean of Science Fiction Illustration with individual titles for each piece. I'd also like to add a couple of sidebar items that are missing (e.g the Roger Hill essay on page 14) and add the Worldcat number to the notes. Lastly, I should be able to get a full scan of the cover. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 20:23, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Wow, that'll take you awhile. I really appreciate it, as will other ISFDB users. Thanks! Markwood 20:45, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Two Sought Adventure

I added a note to Two Sought Adventure concerning the two bindings Currey notes, and stating that both were verified (by me). Bob 20:55, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

I added the Canadian price to your verified

I added the Canadian price to your verified [2].Don Erikson 23:07, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Campbells The Mightiest Machine

In working on the Paul collection, they reprinted his cover illustration for the Hadley edition of The Mightiest Machine which you've verified. However, the cover doesn't match the cover, or more precisely, the original cover of our record. I've looked in some secondary sources and it appears that when Hadley folded, the remaining stock (about 300 copies) was acquired by Julius Unger who printed new jackets that listed the publisher as FFF. According to Chalker/Owings the original cover and the interior illustrations are by Betty Wells Halladay. Kemp states the same thing. Neither of them credit Paul with the later jacket, but Kemp reprints it and it matches the one in the Paul collection (page 115) which also reprints the spine showing the "FFF". Tuck doesn't credit the cover artist but does credit the interior illustrations as by Pailthorpe. Could you check for credits for both the jacket and the interior illustrations? I think we have two potential issues, but that will depend on what is in the book.

  1. For the cover artist, there were clearly two different covers by different artists. We could address this by either listing a second artist on the record which would create to COVERART records, or we could have two separate publication records, one for each cover. I actually favor the latter because it will allow us to link each COVERART record to a scan of the cover. However, I would suggest that the record for second state jacket maintain the publisher as Hadley since there really was only one printing and binding (Black, blue and red cloth were used, but apparently all bound at the same time, so no priority).
  2. For the interior illustrations, and if there is a credit in the book, or a signature, I'd say we should go with that. If not, then we've got two secondary sources saying Halladay and one saying Pailthorpe. I don't know which I'd recommend going with. If it isn't credited, does it look like the same artist that did the cover did the interiors?

Let me know your opinions on one record vs. two and who to credit for the illustrations. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:19, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for doing this research. I just studied the book and updated the listing. I agree that there should be a second listing for the FFF edition. You could argue that, for that listing, the printer is still Hadley but the publisher is FFF ... but I'll defer to you on what ISFDB standards dictate. Markwood 23:39, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Here's what I added to my verified listing ... "Illustrated by Robert Pailthorpe" on title page. Blurb on front flap of jacket notes, "The Jacket and Illustrations are the work of Robert Pailthorpe ...." All four of the interior illustrations are signed with Pailthorpe's name or initials. There is no signature on the jacket art. Noted without explanation: both Chalker/Owings and Kemp credit the interior illustrations and this edition's jacket art to Betty Wells Halladay. Markwood 23:40, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
I kept the publisher as Hadley. My reasoning is that the title page would still say Hadley. Also, none of the secondary sources (as few as they are) consider the rejacketed copies a FFF publication. Perhaps that's because Unger was essentially a used book dealer. I don't know that we've ever come up with a standard for this sort of situation, which is admittedly quite rare.In any case, it allowed me to variant the Paul jacket properly, which finishes Weist's Paul book. Thanks for your help and let me know if you see anything with either book that needs fixing. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 00:16, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Cover artist

Added artists for some of the Scithers' anthologies that you submitted. Hauck 10:36, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Year's Best SF 5

Hi, I added the cover artist for Year's Best SF 5. It is John Harris.--Dirk P Broer 11:25, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Williamson's The Cometeers

I was getting ready to inform you that I had added the interior art records and expanded the notes (to include the Reginald1 number) of the Fantasy Press edition of Jack Williamson's The Cometeers. While looking it up in Reginald and Tuck, I discovered that we apparently have this book listed incorrectly, as it not only contains the novel The Cometeers, but also contains One Against the Legion and we should have this listed as an OMNIBUS containing both novels. Let me know if you agree and I'll go ahead and make the edits, as well as the others I proposed. I'll also leave a note on the other verifier's page, but I'm not certain how active they are. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:34, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Great catch! I just checked it out and, yes, it's an omnibus: the Contents page divides the book's content into "Book One / The Cometeers" (pages 1-168) and "Book Two / One Against the Legion" (pages 169-310.) Let me know if you'd like me to do any of this edit. Markwood 18:01, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Disch poem in Nebula Award Stories Seventeen

Can you confirm that the poem on page 281 of this publication is credited to Thomas M. Disch, and not "Tom Disch"? He almost always used the shorter form for his poetry. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 00:02, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Good catch. I just now submitted edits to fix. Thanks. Markwood 05:44, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Toward a Greater Appreciation of H. P. Lovecraft: The Analytical Approach

Hi. Both Whispers 1 and your verified First World Fantasy Awards have the essay "Toward a Greater Appreciation of H. P. Lovecraft: The Analytical Approach" by "Dirk W. Mosig". In the Whispers he is credited on the essay title page as "Professor Dirk W. Mosig" (already an alias). Could you check your anthology and see if it's credited that way. If so, I can just change the title page and correct both at once. Also, in my version there is no space between H. and P. in the title. Could you check that as well. I will notify the other verifier once you answer back. Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 23:56, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

You're right: "Professor Dirk W. Mosig" on page 290 of 'First World Fantasy Awards'. Thanks for catching. Markwood 01:50, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
No problem - correction submitted. Doug / Vornoff 02:48, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Twelve Tomorrows

According to the Note there is no printed price on this publication, but the scan you just uploaded has the price printed on the front cover. Mhhutchins 04:57, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for catching this. Just submitted edit to fix. Markwood 04:59, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Adventures to Come

This image file was uploaded without the prerequisite license, but it is a duplicate of a file already on the server. Unless there's a reason I'm not understanding, the license-less file will have to be deleted. Mhhutchins 05:06, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

I acquired a copy with jacket, so I'm posting the jacket image with the listing, then moving that image of the 1st & 2nd printing boards to a secondary location, and will add a link to that image in the listing notes. Markwood 05:08, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
You still need a license on the file. It would have been better to just upload the jacket image file, first changing the file name, and then correcting the links in the publication record. I'll make the necessary changes to make the file "legal". Mhhutchins 07:13, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
BTW, you have to use HTML to link in a publication record's Note field. Wiki markup doesn't work in publication records. Mhhutchins 07:16, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
appreciate the coaching. Submitted edit to correct the HTML. I'll follow this process in future if need to upload additional images. Markwood 15:59, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Derleth's Far Boundaries

I've made a few changes to August Derleth's anthology Far Boundaries.

  • I've added the subtitle to the publication record.
  • I've added the overall introduction and the section introductions that we were missing.
  • I've corrected the credit for the John Wyndham story from "John Benyon" to "John Benyon Harris"
  • I've added the Reginald number, the LCCN and linked the Worldcat number.

Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:22, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Great additions & corrections. Thanks! Markwood 02:53, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Smith's "The City of the Singing Flame"

I was reading the story notes for the Night Shade edition of Clark Ashton Smith's stories and I discovered that there are multiple versions of his story "The City of the Singing Flame". It appears that it when it was published in the Spring 1940 issue of Tales of Wonder, the editor combined the story with its sequel "Beyond the Singing Flame" by altering some of Smith's prose and adding a bridging paragraph. Further, when Smith was preparing Out of Space and Time, he was unable to locate either his carbon or a copy of the original Wonder Stories appearance of the tale and instead sent along tear sheets from Tales of Wonder containing the combined story. I have compared the two versions from the Night Shade collection which contains the original story and the Bison reprint of Out of Space and Time which contains the combined story. The former ends with "Tomorrow, I shall return to the city." Whereas the combined version ends with "And there, at length, we came once more to the greyish-green columns that were the gateway between worlds." I have corrected my copy of Out of Space and Time as well as the unverified copies. The story notes also mention that the combined version was used in August Derleth's anthology The Other Side of the Moon which you have verified. Could you check your copy so that we can swap out the version of the story if needed. I'll also point out that there are at least three variants of the wording of the title. You currently have "The City of the Singing Flame". This is also how Contento1 has it, but they also indicate that it is the single story version, so they may be wrong. Once you've verified the title, I can swap out the versions in the reprints of the Derleth anthology, unless you'd like to go ahead with those too. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:17, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Excellent scholarship! I've got 3 books containing the story:
- "From Off This World" contains both the original story as "The City of Singing Flame", and the sequel "Beyond the Singing Flame". The ISFDB listing has incorrect title for the original story ("... the Singing Flame".) I'll 3rd Verify the listing, and correct the title.
- "The Other Side of the Moon" has the combined version, titled "The City of the Singing Flame". It's incorrectly connected as a variant to the original (short) story in my listing, and in the unverified other 2 listings for this book title. I'll edit all 3, deleting the story then re-adding so I can variant to the combined version.
- "Lost Worlds, Unknown Horizons" listing is correct: it has the original story (i.e. ending with "Tomorrow, I shall return ..."), titled "The City of the Singing Flame".
FWIW, I noted this listing which says it's a different combined version edited by Garyn Roberts instead of Walter Gillings. My copy of that "Prentice Hall Anthology" is packed away so I can't verify if, indeed, it's different. The listing's verifier, MLB may be able to check ... but I'll leave that to you if you want to ping him. Let me know if you'd like for me to make any edits other than the ones I've noted. And THANKS for the scholarship! Markwood 07:09, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for making those edits. I has already noticed the other combined story. However, I decided to leave them as separate titles because of the two different editors. Especially since Gillings added some of his own material. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:44, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

The Madonna and the Starship

Before approving your submissions, can you clear the matter withe the PVs? Thanks. Hauck 09:49, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

I approve of the edits. However, I think additional edits are required to add a CHAPBOOK title record to the contents. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:50, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Done. Hauck 14:53, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Apologies for missing that check-off. Seemed like an obvious edit, but I take your point. Thanks for handling for me. Markwood 15:29, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
No worries. It's not the most obvious series of edits. I had offered my assent only as one of the verifiers. My intent was to save you the trouble of notifying me, since I had noticed the conversation in my watchlist. I'll leave a note on Bill's page, but we probably should have waited for him before proceeding. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:27, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Happy with the edits as they are now Prof beard 09:21, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Stanislow or Stanislaw

Can you confirm the cover art credit given in this record? The canonical form of the artist name is Stanislaw Zagorski. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 03:50, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

It's spelled "...ow" on the jacket of this book. Markwood 16:27, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
I'm not a PV of this, not sure why I was included in this message?Prof beard 09:24, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
You weren't. This message was posted only on the PV editor's talk page, and no other's. Mhhutchins 16:57, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

In Real Life

Re this record: A graphic novel isn't really a NOVEL (more than 40,000 words), so it should be entered as a CHAPBOOK with content records for the art and the fiction. Keep in mind that graphic novels are only eligible for the database if they are by an author who is "above the threshold". This was accepted into the database only because Doctorow is credited on the title page as the author, even though from the copyright it appears he had no input into the actual work. If the title page had truthfully stated "Adaptation of a story by Cory Doctorow" the publication wouldn't have been eligible. Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:37, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

As always, thanks for the coaching. Markwood 16:16, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Cory Doctorow adaptations

Re this publication: the "(graphic adaptation}" disambiguation added to the titles of the contents is not necessary. We can now flag each fiction title record to identify it as being in a graphic format. (Both disambiguation and flagging the INTERIORART records is also superfluous.) Please adjust the titles and add the graphic flag to the fiction titles when you get a chance. Mhhutchins 17:56, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

I also see that the INTERIORART records give two artists credit, when it appears that based on your note that they are not collaborations: one is for the title page and one is for the story. If so, they should each get a separate content record. Otherwise it would look like the two artists worked together for the arat of the entire story. 17:59, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Edited per your guidance. Let me know if I missed anything. Thanks. Markwood 01:21, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
Looks good. Thanks. Mhhutchins 01:39, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Twenty-First Century Science Fiction

I added notes (Canadian price, LCCN, & comment on story introductions) to your verified Twenty-First Century Science Fiction. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:44, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Acknowledgments (again)

As previously pointed out, we normally don't create content records for these unless they are more than just a list of "thank you"s. Looking at the Amazon Look Inside for Telling Tales, I don't see how McCoy's acknowledgments are exceptional. Mhhutchins 18:46, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

I submitted Note to the book title record with content which I believes justifies having a record for McCoy's essay. Let me know if you'd prefer I delete the Note and/or essay record. Markwood 18:58, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure that one sentence makes an ESSAY, but I'll drop the issue. (Just don't start creating content records for blurbs, most of which run for more than a sentence and have more value than this work!) BTW, wouldn't that explanation make more sense in the note field of the title record of the ESSAY rather than the title record of the ANTHOLOGY? Mhhutchins 20:14, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
OK, I deleted the Acknowledgement record. With it gone, I'll leave the comment on the anthology title record. Markwood 23:29, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

The Humanoids

I added the Reginald number to the notes for Williamson's The Humanoids. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:19, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

The Radio Man

I've added an item for the interior artwork to Farley's The Radio Man. I've also expanded the notes with catalog numbers for some of the secondary sources. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:46, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Great additions. Thanks! Markwood 03:21, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Default display of non-English translations

When you get a chance, could you please review this discussion? The proposal basically boils down to changing the behavior of the Summary Bibliography when the viewing user is not logged in. Currently only English translations are displayed for unauthenticated users. The proposal would change it to displaying all translations. The downside is that the Summary page could get longer and harder to navigate.

I am trying to get a sense of how widespread the support for this change is. TIA! Ahasuerus 01:03, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for he heads-up. I never think to browse the community portal. The discussion was interesting. I posted an opinion. Markwood 02:27, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! :-) Ahasuerus 03:02, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Editor credit

Re this publication: We don't use copyright page credit to determine responsibility, unless there is no other credit stated in the book. Otherwise we use what is stated on the title page of the book. So I removed the editor credit for David Hartwell. Mhhutchins|talk 23:58, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

OK. I assume you'll do the same for 'The SFWA Grand Masters, Volume Two', which also had an editor credit for Hartwell on the copyright page. Markwood 00:12, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
I accepted your submission for Volume 2, and then went back and removed the Hartwell credit. I'll leave it to you to finish the cleanup submitting content deletes, etc. Kevin 01:27, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
OK, thanks. Markwood 02:15, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Jones' The Toymaker

I've expanded the notes to Raymond Jones' The Toymaker, adding the Reginald number and describing the binding of my copy which doesn't seem to match any of those already mentioned. I also noticed that we had the title wrong for "The Deadly Host" where we had omitted "The". I've corrected that as well. Let me know if you have any problems with my changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:16, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

I notice that you have also have verified the paperback edition. My understanding is that FPCI generally did a single printing with several bindings, so I would expect that the same change for "The Deadly Host" would be needed for the paperback. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:21, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
Good catch. Fixed. Thanks. Markwood 04:29, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

I added publisher's number

I added publisher's number to your verified [3].Don Erikson 20:23, 2 November 2015 (UTC)


The HTML in this record's Note field is pretty messed up. Did you want to repair it, or should I? Mhhutchins|talk 04:34, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Fixed. Sorry about that. Markwood 06:24, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Strange and Fantastic Stories

I've expanded the notes for Strange and Fantastic Stories, adding the catalog numbers for Reginald and Bleiler. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:38, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Merril's SF:'57

I expanded the notes to our mutually verified publication of Judith Merril's SF:'57 adding several catalog numbers. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:23, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Also her The 5th Annual of the Year's Best S-F. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:31, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

No Boundaries cover image

Re this record: We usually don't include the back cover unless it's wraparound art. Is there any reason to make an exception for this one? We don't want to create a precedent and have others point to it when wanting to upload other images that show back covers that are text only. Mhhutchins|talk 04:48, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

OK. Fixed. Markwood 06:54, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Moore's Shambleau

I added the Reginald and Bleiler catalog numbers to C. L. Moore's Shambleau and Others. I also linked the existing Worldcat and Library of Congress numbers. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:19, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

The Playboy Book of Science Fiction and Fantasy

I've expanded the notes to The Playboy Book of Science Fiction and Fantasy adding Reginald and Bleiler numbers. I also linked the LOC number. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:59, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

The Post Reader of Fantasy and Science Fiction

I expanded the notes to The Post Reader of Fantasy and Science Fiction adding record numbers for Reginald and Bleiler. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:08, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

The Most Forgetable Story in the World

Would you mind double checking the spelling of "forgetable" in the title of The Most Forgetable Story in the World from Long Night of Waiting by Andre Norton and other stories. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:45, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Good catch. Thanks! Fixed that, and also corrected the story title pages. Markwood 20:07, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Outsiders: Children of Wonder

Hello, I've put your submission on hold, please clear the matter of your proposed date change with the PVs. The dates in Cole may be wrong, as is the case with this pub falsely dated by Cole 04-15-1951 although all data on the book point to a March date. Thanks. Hauck 14:37, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm unclear on what I'd be asking Willem and Don. I've also got a copy of this paperback and, as the isfdb record notes, its copyright page says it's "published June 1954". Cole simply adds the day of the month (June 7, 1954.) There's no data in the book to verify that day ... so what would I be asking them to verify? That said, I agree that Cole, by itself, doesn't 'trump' a date printed in a book. So far, I've only added Cole dates when the isfdb record is missing a publication month, or when it's got the same month as Cole but missing the day of the month. Please advise if I should be following a different process. Thanks. Markwood 04:52, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
Two things, first if you own the book, think about becoming a PV, second, I just want you to ask the other PV if they agree to your changes. Beause if I was concerned as a PV, I wouldn't agree with them as so precise data from Cole is (IMHO) questionable. Hauck 15:20, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Unnumbered pages

Re this publication: Did you plan on adding a record for the content which appears on the 6 unnumbered pages before the last novel. If they don't contain significant text, they shouldn't be added to the page count field. The note itself should be sufficient. Also, the page numbers given for the start of each of the contents should reflect the published page number. According to your note, the pagination started over with each novel. You can use the pipe method for page numbering to provide the order of their appearance within the book. Mhhutchins|talk 00:50, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Can you point to an example of the 'pipe method'? I couldn't find a reference to 'pipe' in the Policy, FAQ, Discussions or Portal pages. Markwood 01:36, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
It's explained here in the Regular Titles section of the Content entry help page. Look at the Page subsection, to the bulleted section titled Sorting. Mhhutchins|talk 03:25, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
Those un-numbered pages contain the novel's title page, so I've got to somehow reference them as the novel's first page. Appreciate guidance on that. Markwood 01:36, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
Actually you don't have to reference pages that don't have content on them., especially in a publication which has non-standard pagination. Since each of these novels "start" on the first page of their section of the publication, you can enter the first at "1|1", the second as "1|2", and the third as "1|3". Only the number "1" will be displayed, and the number after the pipe gives the order in which the titles will be displayed in the contents section of the publication record. Mhhutchins|talk 03:25, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
Good to know about that use of pipe character. Thanks. I submitted correction to page numbers. Markwood 06:54, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

The Cyberiad

Hi. While checking the tp Seabury Press version of The Cyberiad: Fables for the Cybernetic Age against your verified hc version, I noticed the story title of "Prince Ferrix and the Princess Crystal" on the title page of the tp has "the Princess" and yours has no "the" in front of "Princess". Out of the six verified ISFDB editions of this work, two have "the" and four don't have the "the". Seems odd that the tp & hc of the same publisher would be different - could you kindly check your version and see if it has the "the". I'll ask the others to join us here as well, just to make sure we don't have an extra variant out there. If, by some chance, all of the verified copies have the "the" in the title, should all the unverified copies be changed? Also, since both variants of this story are variants to the Polish title, if you change the "non-the" title to the "the" title, do you merge that with the other "the" titles?
Also, I notice that some of the verified copies have the subtitle "Fables for the Cyberntetic Age" and some don't. (Mavmaramis & Astrodan) Should that be checked as well? Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 05:08, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

I have corrected the title of the story in my PV'd record. Most likely this was caused by the importing of contents which were initially incorrect. I also added the subtitle to the canonical title, since the vast majority of the publications include it. There's one unverified record now that doesn't have that more complete title, but nothing requires that it do. Mhhutchins|talk 06:27, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
I checked my copy of The Cyberiad - contents page and the story itself has title as "Prince Ferrix and the Princess Crystal" no leading 'the' Hope that helps. --Mavmaramis 17:31, 9 February 2016 (UTC)


I updated the date to match the oldest release of this short story. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:48, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Clarke's Reach for Tomorrow

Does your copy of this have a printed price? If not, please add that to the record. And please remember to do a primary verification of the record. Mhhutchins|talk 00:10, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

I'll be editing and adding Pub Notes ... but not a price. My copy's jacket is price clipped. Markwood 04:53, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Imperial Earth

This record was originally intended to be for the January 1976 first printing. But based on the letter line, are you certain that it's not a second printing with an unknown publication date? I know some publisher's have different ways of indication a first printing, but shouldn't removing the "A" indicate a second printing? Mhhutchins|talk 04:27, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Some research about identifying HB&J's first editions shows:

"...that from 1973 to 1983, HB&J did not use the "A", i.e. "First Edition/ABCD", but instead used "First Edition/BCDE."

It might be a good idea to note this in case a collector checks these records to see if he/she has a true first edition. I will place a note on the publisher's page. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 04:34, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Paul Collins' Envisaged Worlds


I have recently acquired a copy of Envisaged Worlds for which you are the primary verifier. My dust jacket appears a little different from yours: the fill in the drawings is much finer in my copy (though perhaps this is an artifact of the scan?), plus, at the bottom of the front cover there is "Void" with "6•7•8" underneath.

Does your dust jacket have " Void | 6•7•8 " at the bottom? If not, I'll do a clone. If so, I'll replace the cover scan with one from my copy, if that's OK by you.

Also, would you please check the authorship of "Creator", starting on page 57. My copy has it as just David Lake. If you agree, I'll add a line with the new authorship / remove old record / adjust vt/duplicate/...

ditto "Nemaluk and the Star-Stone", page 77. I have Frank Bryning. ditto re fix.

ditto "What Evil Must Do", page 153. I have L. Godfrey, not Lynette. ditto re fix.

I'd also like to put, in the Pub Series field, "Void magazine"; plus "6•7•8" in the Pub Series # field. ("Void magazine" not "Void" in the Pub Series is from what I've read & a long story.)

Thanks --clarkmci / j_clark 06:33, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for finding this flawed image. I uploaded a corrected compression of the scan. And thanks for fixing those author credits. Agree with all. As for "6•7•8", no, that string does not appear on either jacket or book of my copy. I don't know a reason for the difference. In case you enter a variant, then FWIW boards of mine are brown cloth, stamped in gilt on spine with same text as spine of jacket. The ISBN is on the copyright page, but not on the jacket. Thanks. Markwood 08:07, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for responding so quickly. Very interesting about the cover difference - I suspect it's to do with the Void magazine connection I mentioned above. As I understand it, subscribers to Void mag. got this instead of issues 6, 7, 8.
I'll make the author fixes; then clone for my cover variant, putting the Pub Series stuff in my pub record. --clarkmci / j_clark 08:40, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Done. --clarkmci / j_clark 09:25, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Good edits. Thanks! Markwood 09:32, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Aspects of Science Fiction

If your copy of this publication has an ISBN, then it can't be the 1959 edition. Mhhutchins|talk 03:55, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Fixed: moved that ISBN to a mention in pub note. Thanks. Markwood 05:21, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Stories (Yefremov)

Hi, I linked your 1954 edition to OCLC 823751196.--Dirk P Broer 19:42, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Artist signature

We don't use the signature as a basis to credit cover art unless it can be identified as that of a known artist. I will hold the submission to update my verified record in order for you to identify the artist. Otherwise, just a note providing the signature is sufficient without a cover art record being created. The standard is explained here. Mhhutchins|talk 17:08, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

OK. Cancelled that edit, and submitted new edit with just the Pub Note. Markwood 21:50, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

The Long Haul From the ANNALS OF TRANSPORTATION, The Pacific Monthly, May 2009

Could you please add your opinion to this discussion on my talk page? Thanks, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 11:59, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. Markwood 06:21, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

The Eleventh Galaxy Reader

Could you please check the title of the introduction on page 1 of this pub that you verified? I'm asking because in the SFBC edition the introduction appears with this title:

Introduction: How to Spot the Good Ones

Thanks for looking. Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 22:41, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Good catch! Thanks. Submitted edit to fix. Note that I'm not appending "(book title)" as Markwood 17:49, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Unnumbered and Roman numbered?

Re this publication: How is the page count possible? Bracketed numbers in the page count field indicate the number of unnumbered pages. If the pages are Roman numbered, then they're entered without brackets. Mhhutchins|talk 04:14, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Sorry. Typo. Fixed. Markwood 04:51, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Quantum Night

I added the author's note and the "further reading" essay to this verified pub. Also added a note about the cover art. Thanks, --Willem 19:55, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Markwood 18:53, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

The War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, and Selected Short Stories

I've added the Reginald number, and linked the Worldcat and LCCN numbers for Wells' The War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, and Selected Short Stories. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:18, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

James Burns

Hello, the artist for this pub is given as per your notes as "James" Burns. We clearly should consider this as typo. I've corrected the data. If you're not OK with the changes, just tell me, I'll revert them. Hauck 08:55, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

That's fine. I never encountered this situation before, so just entered the name as it appeared. Markwood 04:54, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Nebula Awards 20

Added a artist credit to your PV'd copy of Nebula Awards 20. Albinoflea 01:51, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

28 Science Fiction Stories of H. G. Wells

Hi, I imported content for your verified copy of 28 Science Fiction Stories of H. G. Wells.--Dirk P Broer 22:56, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Science Fiction & Reader's Guide

Hi. I added the glossary (which appears to belong only to the Lancelot Biggs story) to the listing because it's sf and is listed in the TOC, if that's okay with you. Also, I was thinking of changing the two excerpt stories to variants instead because they're really shorter stories on their own with beginning and end, if that's okay with you. gzuckier 06:33, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello. I'm fine with addition of "Glossary" as an essay, but have some recommendations:
- This glossary is not in 'Lancelot Biggs: Spaceman' (I'm pv for that book), so the title should be "Glossary (Science Fiction and Reader's Guide)".
- There no author credit for the this glossary, so author should be "uncredited". It's not implausible that the editors of this "Children's Hour" book wrote the Glossary for their younger readership. A possible proof point: I noted the editors excised an instance of "damn" from Bond's original text.
- Suggest adding a Pub Note about the footnote on page 70 ("See glossary, page 141")which ties the Glossary to Bond's story.
Regarding changing the excerpts to variants:
- Re: 'Mars and Miss Pickerell' I have to ask: make it a variant of what? AFAIK, the source material was only previously published within, and I didn't think a piece of short fiction could be a variant of a novel.
- Re: 'Lancelot Biggs on the Saturn', you're right. It's the first story in the fix-up novel (pages 9-40.) Do you know the title under which this story was originally published? If so, then agree it should be a variant of that story title. If you don't know its original title, then I may be able to figure that out with some research. Markwood 23:15, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Best SF Two

Can you check your copy of Best SF Two for the credit of the Heinlein and Simak stories? My third printing is missing the middle initials. Thanks, --Willem 09:09, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

You're right: no middle initials in author credits for those 2 stories. Good catch. I'll fix my listing. Thx. Markwood 17:44, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll fix the unverified publications. --Willem 19:40, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

The Collector's Book of Science Fiction by H.G. Wells

Hi. Regarding your verified The Collector's Book of Science Fiction by H.G. Wells, the content on p.vii should be "Herbert George Wells: A Biographical Note" and should be merged with the identical title in this pub as far as I can see. As it is now it's merged with the two other dated titles that have "H.G." not "Herbert G."
I think if you follow the page rules, this should have vii+514+[1] since you've added the Bibliographical Note as content on an unnumbered page.
Also, I've checked the interiorart contents on this same pub version and it seems accurate. Do you mind if I add it to your pub? Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 01:16, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Good catches! Made the fixes. Thanks. Markwood 23:50, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
No prob. But it looks like you deleted the Bibliographic Note on what would be p.[515]. That's fine but now you don't need the +[1] anymore, as I read it, because you don't have content that needs to be indexed. Confusing? Not much :) Doug / Vornoff 03:18, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Larry Sternig and William Campbell Gault

I'm looking into a new editor's revelation that Larry Sternig was a real person and collaborated with Gault on some things. In your verified Teen-Age Space Adventures is a short storyVenusian Invader, credited to Sternig, and we have that as a variant of that same title but credited solely to Gault. Is there any other information in the book that might indicate whether Gault had any hand in it? I am pursuing the other pubs/verifiers. Thanks. --MartyD 11:07, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Only credit is to Sternig. No reference to Gault in the book. I don't recall making the connection to Gault, so must have already been in the stub I edited. Markwood 18:14, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Gigantic Worlds

Hello, I've approved your submission but was wondering if the "untitled" pieces shouldn't be disambiguated (note that there are even two by the same author).Hauck 07:57, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Good point. Submitted edit to fix. Markwood 17:54, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Nebula Awards Showcase: 2009

I added a response to your comment at User talk:Marc Kupper#Nebula Awards Showcase: 2009. --Marc Kupper|talk 15:15, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

More Tales from the Forbidden Planet

I'd like to change the page numbering on our verified More Tales from the Forbidden Planet from [xii]+268 to [4]+268+[8]. There are actually no Roman numerals on the leading pages, so according to point 3 under Pages in the New Pub Help it should be Arabic numbers appearing within the brackets. Also, counting back from the last page of the Introduction is only 4 pages – there's no need to record unnumbered pages before that. You have included in the contents Biographies from unnumbered page 269, so this should also appear in the total page numbering, totalling 8 pages. I'm happy to make the edits if you're not sure how to use the 'pipe' method to make sure all unnumbered contents appear in their correct place. Cheers. PeteYoung 10:49, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Good edits! Yes, please go ahead and make them. (FWIW, that numbering was in the stub I edited ... but my bad for not catching it then.) Thanks. Markwood 22:25, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Translations of "The Horla"

As you surely know, back in the early days of the DB, different translations of the same story weren't given separate title records, but now this practice has changed. I'm about to sort the various English translations of Guy de Maupassant's "The Horla" into separate title records and wanted to consult you, as a primary verifier, before I do so. Here is the title record for all the publications that haven't been sorted yet, and here is the list I made, of all the translations I know of (thirteen of them) and which publications belong to which. I hope you can contribute some more information.

You verified Androids, Time Machines and Blue Giraffes; I believe it has the uncredited 1903 translation. Can you confirm that, by comparing the first paragraph of the story to the comparison page? And then let me know what exact translator credit is given, if any. Also, does it have the subtitle "or Modern Ghosts" as that particular version sometimes does?

If you happen to have any of the other unsorted publications, information about them would be appreciated. Thank you very much for the help! --Vasha 05:51, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Wow. I admire the scholarship. Yes, you are correct: the version in 'Androids, Time Machines ...' has the first paragraph of the uncredited 1903 translation. There is no subtitle on the story's title page, but there is the following editor's note: "This story was first published on October 26, 1886 in 'Gil Blas', a French newspaper. A revised version was published the following year by Paul Ollendorff of Paris." Wish I could help with the other unsorted pubs, but I don't have any of them. Let me know if anything else I can do to help. Markwood 21:16, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Changing pub date for anthologies after Cole

Hello, I've approved your submission for updating diverse anthologies. Please note that, as you're modifying data that is PVed, our etiquette requires that you notify the PV(s). Consider this done for me. Hauck 10:32, 27 November 2016 (UTC)


If it's OK with you, I'll start adding contents to Brom's Offerings Susan O'Fearna 23:19, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Are you kidding? I'd be delighted! I know how much work that's going to be, so a huge 'THANK YOU'. Markwood 23:25, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

The Hugo Winners

Hi, I noticed that several publications of The Hugo Winners, e.g. this one, contain "Postscript (The Hugo Winners)" just before the appendix, but the 1962 edition, which you verified, does not. Could you please check if this is correct? Thanks, Darkday 23:27, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Good catch. It isn't listed in Table of Contents, so I'd missed it. Just submitted edit to add. Markwood 23:36, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Uploading images

Hello, I'm just dropping a line to verify if you're aware that 1) the images that you're uploading are usually significantly heavier that those replaced (sometimes up to four times) which may prove problematic in the future (our diskspace is limited) and 2) that the "old" scans have to manually deleted by a moderator. It's up to you to see if the addition of the spine is worth the trouble. Thanks. Hauck 08:37, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

I appreciate the guidance. I certainly don't want to make unnecessary work for moderators, but as a long-time book collector, I do think it's important to show spines on jackets. If the current 150K size limit for images fails to address future space concerns, then seems we should establish smaller limit on image size going forward. In the meantime, though, if I do an image replacement I'll scale it to the size of the replaced image to assure no net impact on storage. BTW, what is the funding model for this wiki? I've wondered about this since day 1. As Heinlein said, TANSTAAFL. If we have storage concerns, then seems we have funding concerns. I'd rather be part of the solution than part of the problem. :) Thanks. Markwood 19:22, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. For money matters, IIRC all come from the Ahasuerus' pockets. Some of us have already proposed to participate in the costs of the server (which are the only ones as all the rest is strictly on a volunteer basis), but it seemed not necesssary for now. Hauck 07:05, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Best American SFF 2015

Hi, in The Best American Science Fiction and Fantasy 2015, which you've verified, I changed the title of the story "Duniazat" to "Duniazát" as my copy has it. --Vasha 01:06, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Heinlein's Assignment in Eternity

I added the Reginald number to the notes for Heinlein's Assignment in Eternity. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:11, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Possible Variants

Here are two possible variants:

In each case, I would assume the stories are the same. As you have verified both pubs, would you mind double checking that and also the titles given in Second Galaxy Reader of Science Fiction since they are different from typical. Based on that, they should be varianted, merged, or notes added as applicable. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 02:05, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks for catching this 'clean up' edit I'd missed when entering 2nd Galaxy Reader. Markwood 21:44, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Russell's Deep Space

I've added the Reginald number to Eric Frank Russell's Deep Space. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 00:04, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Mind Fields: The Art of Jacek Yerka, the Fiction of Harlan Ellison

I added a cover scan to your verified pub here. I also added the individual artworks to the contents for the first printing of this pub, which you can import if you wish. Bob 19:11, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Looking Glass Library, Epstein & Carroll

You entered and PVerified 1960 The War of the Worlds, Looking Glass Library #21, as publisher Epstein & Carroll, publication series LGL.

Yesterday I added the other Epstein & Carroll book in the database --1961 The Phantom Tollbooth 1st ed.-- learned something about E&C from Wikipedia and from bookdealer images of that book, and added all of our Notes on publisher publisher Epstein & Carroll.

We have publisher Looking Glass Library used by other editors for three 1959/60 books including one PVerified. None of those records mentions Epstein & Carroll in Notes but we have linked OCLC records that state "Looking Glass Library; distributed by Random House", presumably from the title page, which fits your Notes and suggests that Epstein & Carroll is named on the copyright page and only there.

I would like to revise your record as Publisher: Looking Glass Library and Catalog ID: #21, parallel to the records of #9 and #18. Then complete cross-references and Notes at Publisher: LGL and Publ series: LGL, explaining the former relation to Epstein & Carroll and the latter restriction to later revival of the brand by Random House in its own name.

(In user space I have notes on the 1959-1961 series, which has about 10 more of its 28 titles in the database, based on this Loyola University exhibition list.) --Pwendt|talk 18:57, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Also in your record I would (as always) link LCCN: 60-013060. That library record states "[Epstein and Carroll Associates]; distributed by Random House", unlike others; no doubt merely a variant way of deriving database field values from the same title and copyright pages.
At Amazon I found cover images for two 1959/61 LGL records that were needing them, so we now have all four. I am not adding LGL books until resolving the issue above.
You note that the LGL is 'edited for "Age 11 up" readers, re-written in contemporary English, and slightly abridged for content.' I'll say that of War of the Worlds #21 in the publisher/series Notes and urge editors to look for that in other issues.
--Pwendt|talk 20:51, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
I can't verify that the "Age 11 up" note applies to all of the Looking Glass Library. I did verify my comments about abridgement and simplified, updated language by comparing the contents of this edition to the 'original' version in Thanks for editing to add links to Looking Glass Library. Excellent research! Markwood 01:27, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

"Space Service" by Andre Norton

Your verified publication of the first edition of Space Service listed the story "The Specter General" as being by "Theodore Cogswell". It is listed in both the TOC and at the story title page as by "Theodore R. Cogswell", so I have corrected that entry. The story by Gordon Dickson was listed as being titled "The Steel Brother". It is listed in both the TOC and at the story as just "Steel Brother", so I have corrected that entry. Chavey 15:17, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Really appreciate the fixes, and the attention to detail. Good reminder for me to check everything in stubs I complete. Thanks. Markwood 01:15, 19 March 2017 (UTC)


If you don't mind, I will add content to your verified pub Velocity by Stephan Martiniere. I intend just to add the book cover art. Bob 00:41, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the edits, and the heads-up. Markwood 06:17, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Best SF: 1972

The change in your verified Best SF: 1972 was an HTML tag closing - you had your link closing with <a> instead of </a>. Annie 02:11, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

"Confessions of a Tyrant('s) Double"

Hi, in your verified publication The New and Perfect Man (Postscripts #24/25), you have "Confessions of a Tyrant Double" on page 187 -- is that actually how the title appears? elsewhere it is "Tyrant's". --Vasha 03:45, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Changes to Maupassant pubs

I am once again working on sorting out translations of "The Horla", so if you are notified of changes to any publications that involve Guy de Maupassant, that is what it is in regard to. I believe I haven't made any alterations that go beyond the information you provided the last time I queried you about these publications, but if you notice I've made a mistake, please do let me know. The only major thing I did was to separate out the translations revised by Dora Knowlton Ranous from the general uncredited translations. Otherwise, I just changed notes and dates. --Vasha 08:38, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

A batch of nongenre stories - if you disagree please comment

Currently there are numerous non-genre horror stories that are in the database because it's natural to just enter a book of horror or "tales of terror" without figuring out which stories are supernatural. I don't intend to systematically hunt for them, but when I spot one, I like to mark it nongenre. (In the case of classic stories, marking is better than removing it from the database because it'll just get re-added with some new anthology.) At the moment, I've spotted the following stories that I think need such a change, and I'm consulting people who have them in their verified pubs.

Firstly, there's Great Tales of Terror and the Supernatural (verified copies: (1), (2), (3), (4), (5), (6), (7)), which contains "A Terribly Strange Bed," "The Three Strangers," "The Most Dangerous Game," "Leiningen Versus the Ants," "A Rose for Emily," "Taboo," and undoubtedly other non-supernatural ones that I'm not noticing at the moment. Here are verified publications for those and some other stories:

Are there any of those stories you think ARE genre? Vasha 15:04, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

ADDENDUM: Discussion moved to the Community Portal. --Vasha 00:47, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

The Four Thousand, The Eight Hundred

Moved the OCLC number from the notes to the new external identifier in our verified. Annie 23:33, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


Hi. I accepted your changes to Spaceman of Bohemia, but I made a small change to the notes. A recent new feature is "External IDs", where things like LCCNs should be listed. You supply the number and type, and the software provides organization and links. So I moved the LCCN out of the notes and into the External IDs. --MartyD 10:55, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Cool! Thanks for tip on this new feature. Markwood 18:24, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
Reminder about that feature - you just added an LCCN number in the notes of Lost Cities and Vanished Civilizations. I accepted the change (because there were other notes in the submission) but then edited it to move the LCCN number to the new field. Annie 22:56, 8 July 2017 (EDT)

The SFWA Grand Masters, Volume One

Added cover artist and a couple of notes to The SFWA Grand Masters, Volume One.SFJuggler 22:35, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Karel Čapek's R.U.R.

I'm in the process of correcting Karel Čapek's last name from Capek to Čapek. In nearly all cases we had his name incorrectly listed without the hachek over the C. I've gone ahead and changed the title record for the play R. U. R. which is included in your verified copy of The Treasury of Science Fiction Classics. Could you check your copy to see if how his name appears in the book. If it is Čapek, then nothing further needs to be done. Otherwise, we need to swap the title in your book for this one. This also assumes that the translation in your copy is by Paul Selver alone. There is a different translation by Selver and Nigel Playfair as by Karel Čapek. If your copy has some other combination of translator, name and title, we may need to add a new title record. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:58, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Could you also check his credit for "System" in Masterpieces of Science Fiction. If it is "Capek", it's probably safe to change it at the title level, since in only appears in reprints of the Moskowitz collection. Also let me know how the credit of his brother appears. I'd like to make the same change to his brother's name after I've finished cleaning up the Karel records. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:03, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
I will do these checks ... but heads-up that my library is boxed-up for a move, and these books probably won't be accessible until mid-September. Markwood 19:09, 28 June 2017 (EDT)

Julie Dillon's Imagined Realms, Book 1

I added an interior art content item for your verified Julie Dillon's Imagined Realms, Book 1. She received a Chelsey nomination and I wanted to link the award to that title. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 11:38, 8 July 2017 (EDT)

Thx! Markwood 13:01, 8 July 2017 (EDT)

Three for Tomorrow

I accepted your addition of the LCCN to Three for Tomorrow and then edited to move it to the new field. The changes are: "Moving the LCCN into the new fields; moving the OCLC and using a template to leave it back in the note (needed for the clarification)." Can you please use the new External IDs fields when adding LCCN? Let me know if you have any questions. Annie 19:41, 10 July 2017 (EDT)

Thx for the edit & for the reminder to use the new fields. Markwood 20:02, 10 July 2017 (EDT)

HTML tags


I noticed in a few of your recent submissions, that when you need to add a <ul> tag to start a list (at the beginning of the notes field), you add a <ul/> instead. Some tags, such as br for example, can get a / at the end and still be valid, but "ul" is not one of them - its closing element is always at the end after all the "li" tags. I just fixed in in here this evening after approving your update. I am not sure if you are using a weird template or if it is a technical mistake but wanted to bring that to your attention. Thanks! Annie 03:42, 11 July 2017 (EDT)

Just habit, from early days of writing HTML when it was required by some parsers. I'll try to break the habit. :) Thx for correction. Markwood 00:33, 12 July 2017 (EDT)
I remember those days and the "if IE, else" kind of web development and each new browser was making up their own standards :) If the approving moderator does not see it (there is no indication unless if you examine the html manually from a different screen), it pops on a report - this is where I saw some earlier. So they will get fixed sooner or later - but the way the server is built, any html irregularities can have interesting side effects on the view of that specific book. Thanks for trying to break the habit! Annie 00:44, 12 July 2017 (EDT)
One issue solved, another developed: there was the opposite problem in here. The one at the start should be ul, the one at the end /ul :) This time you had "ul" in both places - edited and fixed. Annie 01:15, 12 July 2017 (EDT)
Just a typo this time. Doh! :) Thx. Markwood 14:54, 12 July 2017 (EDT)
It is kinda funny in the context of the conversation above though. I hate typos. And I do a lot of them :) Annie 15:07, 12 July 2017 (EDT)

Entering contents of "best-of" anthologies

Hello, I've approved your submission and made the necessary merges afterwards. In order to save you what I suppose is a lot of typing, you may perhaps use the "Import Content" function at publication level. By using the bottom part of the screen, you'll be able to enter only the list of titles IDs (e.g. "2029359" for this story). Of course, when "new" variants may be in order, you'll still have to enter them manually. Another very interesting effect is that the titles would be automatically merged saving a lot of submissions and/or approvals. Hauck 04:43, 17 July 2017 (EDT)

VERY useful tip! Didn't know about that editing tool. You're right: would have saved a lot of typing. :) Thx! Markwood 11:58, 17 July 2017 (EDT)

Alternative Truths

I'm holding your edit for Alternative Truths. My question is about the change of the name of the two essays. Of course, the ultimate edit is fine. However, I can't think of a reason that the ebook edition should have those titles with "(Alternate Truths)". It's probably an easier edit to update the two title records for the essays individually which could be done in two edits. Otherwise, you'll have to delete the "Alternate" records from both the tp pub and the ebook and import the new titles to the ebook. Or you could delete them from the tp and then merge each of the titles individually keeping the correct title. Either results in more edits than editing the two essay records. The only other issue is that you also have some note updates. I can approve your original edit, if you don't want to re-enter those, or at a minimum we can leave the edit held to make it easier to re-enter the note edit. Let me know how you'd like to proceed. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 17:48, 16 August 2017 (EDT)

Hi, Ron. Although there's no reason to assume the ebook's essays are actually mis-titled "Alternate" instead of "Alternative", I don't have the ebook so can't verify. However, if you prefer, I can edit the essay title records rather than the print book listing. I just saved a copy of my notes edit for the book, so can also re-submit those separately if you wish. Your call. Markwood 02:03, 17 August 2017 (EDT)
Actually, Amazon's look inside will get you the title "pages" for those two essays. Since the parenthetical portion of the title is for disambiguation and doesn't appear in the book, we would have been safe to assume that the correction would apply to both editions even if we couldn't see those pages. Please go ahead and edit the two essay records directly and resubmit your notes. I'll go ahead and cancel the original edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 07:07, 17 August 2017 (EDT)

Men and Machines

You uploaded a cover image for Men and Machines back in 2011. The cover of my copy is exactly the same, except for the publisher on the bottom of the spine. Yours has "Hawthorn", mine has "Meredith Press". Is it possible that your cover comes from another edition, not in the database? I will be replacing the cover image in a week or so, Thanks for checking, --Willem 15:24, 18 September 2017 (EDT)

Yes, agree you should replace image of my 'Hawthorn' jacket with your 'Meredith' jacket. I've moved recently, and it will be weeks before I can un-box and re-shelf my library. Once I'm able, I'll check my 2 copies of this book and enter a variant record for the Hawthorn version. Thanks for catching this. Markwood 13:16, 19 September 2017 (EDT)
Image is replaced. Thanks for the fast response. --Willem 15:54, 19 September 2017 (EDT)

The Instrumentality of Mankind

I added the publication date to your verified pub and a note explaining the source of the information. Bob 18:17, 28 September 2017 (EDT)

Science Fiction Writer's Market Place and Sourcebook

re Science Fiction Writer's Market Place and Sourcebook: I accepted your edit, but then restored "Market Place" as two words and also rejected your title edit. Per your pub notes, it's "Market Place" on the title page and we credit per the title page. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:53, 12 November 2017 (EST)


In your verified publication Rogues there's a story titled "Ill-Seen in Tyre" which I've marked non-genre based on the description of it on its author's website. Please correct me if I'm wrong about that. --Vasha 14:38, 15 November 2017 (EST)

Nebula Awards 29

Updated the notes and publication date for the HC edition of Nebula Awards 29. Albinoflea 13:26, 16 November 2017 (EST)

Antoni Garcés

In your publication The Ray Bradbury Chronicles, Volume 4 you have an interior art credit to "Garces." Could you check if that is actually "Garcés," and make a note of the spelling? Thanks! --Vasha 19:58, 31 January 2018 (EST)

No accent on the "e" and no first name, it's just "Garces" 3 places: jacket front, jacket back, and interior title page. Markwood 19:01, 1 February 2018 (EST)

Cover Uploads

Hello, please remember that when, you re-upload a cover (like you did for the Bradbury titles), the older version stays archived on our server and uses some precious disk space. The older version must be deleted manually, and IIRC by a moderator a I'm not sure that contributors are allowed to delete them. Hauck 03:21, 2 February 2018 (EST)

OK ... is there something I can do myself to delete the old version ... or is there something I can do to help a moderator do this? Reason I'm replacing images is that many of my early postings were done with an old photo editor which did a bad job of compression, so the images are too large, grainy, and contain visual artifacts that aren't actually in the jacket/cover art. Let me know if that's not worth fixing, and I'll stop doing it. Thanks. Markwood 18:45, 2 February 2018 (EST)
I noticed the poor quality of the replaced images, that's why I didn't delete the new ones (tehre are contributors that, because they do not refresh their browser, upload Nth times the same image). I don't know if you can delete them yourself (see if there is some kind of "Delete" link at the bottom of the image wiki page in the "File history" box). Some contributors use The Help Desk but there are rare. As there are very few moderators that take the time to scan the upload logs, that's why I messaged you. Hauck 01:55, 3 February 2018 (EST)
Nope, no "delete", just a "revert" option, e.g. You say "the older version stays archived on our server". That may have made sense at some point in the past, but if the wiki's disk space is getting scarce and/or expensive, then seems sensible to change that behavior, and to delete archived images. Let me know if anything else I can do or try. In meantime, I'll stop replacing old images until/unless we sort this out. Thanks. Markwood 11:56, 3 February 2018 (EST)

The Tangled Lands

I'm wondering, do you think The Tangled Lands should be a COLLECTION rather than an ANTHOLOGY? Probably it should be a NOVEL. The Help says, "A publication containing two or more works of SHORTFICTION or POEMs by a single author or authors writing in collaboration should be typed as a COLLECTION. The typing of individual publications which contain works with various combinations of author credit should be discussed on the Community Portal on a case-by-case basis. The title page credit should be the major factor in determining the types of these kinds of publications." However, the blurb describes it as "a fantasy novel told in four parts" and even though the authors took turns writing the parts there is a strong element of collaboration. I think this should be discussed on the Community Portal but I wanted to give you a heads-up because you verified it. --Vasha 23:13, 9 March 2018 (EST)

No prob moving this discussion to the Community Portal, if there's no established standard for this type of work. You can initiate that post today if you wish ... or I'll initiate it tomorrow if you'd prefer. Here are relevant data points:
- Awards: should consider how Locus, Nebula, Hugo will treat 'The Tangled Lands'. I anticipate they'll treat it as an anthology, and will consider the two new novellas as separate works. I'll drop an email to Tom Whitmore to see if he has any insight into this. Know anyone else we might ping?
- Novel: here are 2 examples of collaborative novels: The Mongoliad ( & Indigo ( Neither is organized as single-author stories.
- Anthology: in addition to the audio book I noted, there's also Medea (
- Collection: I don't know of any example of a multi-author work categorized as a "collection". Do you?
Markwood 10:55, 10 March 2018 (EST)
Several round-robin multi-author novels are entered as NOVEL, e.g. Bookburners and the Wild Cards novels (e.g. Mississippi Roll). As for multi-author collections, see Darkness Whispers. Also see In This Point of Stillness, a less clear case, described by one of the authors (Mercedes Yardley) as "a limited edition He Said/She Said microfiction collaboration with Dustin LaValley... Each story is quite short (as microfiction is) and they tend to twine together a bit." In other words, the He Said/She Said part of the description suggests that they wrote stories in turn; but it is entered as COLLECTION because of the "collaboration" part of the description and the "twining together" of the stories.
In any case, I would appreciate if you create a Community Portal post tomorrow. Thanks. --Vasha 12:49, 10 March 2018 (EST)
I sent email to asking how they'll classify the book for next year's Locus Awards, and I posted a message to Tobias Buckell's site asking for the authors' preference. Unless you object, I'll hold off on the Community post for a while to see if/how either of them respond. FWIW, Tom Whitmore pointed out that the publisher, Saga Press, refers to the book as a "novel", but noted that's also how publishers referred to Asimov's "Foundation" books, which ISFDB classifies as "collections". Markwood 14:43, 10 March 2018 (EST)
Yes, thanks for doing that. --Vasha 15:02, 10 March 2018 (EST)
Vasha, please change 'The Tangled Lands' to a collection. I'll do a post to Community Portal to share the responses I got from Locus & Tobias Buckell, which both recommended this classification for the book. And, it needs to be said: you were right. :) Thanks for pushing back. Markwood 11:53, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
Done. --Vasha 18:27, 21 March 2018 (EDT)

The Year's Best Science Fiction & Fantasy: 2016 Edition

Hello, I've corrected a few things in our verified here (AIR for Ryman, Hemorrhage for Lee, comma for Brenchley) and made appropriate variants. Hauck 10:18, 15 April 2018 (EDT)

Thanks for the cleanup edits! Markwood 17:41, 15 April 2018 (EDT)

World of Wonder

I am currently sorting out different Kafka translations from each other. Could you look inside your copy of World of Wonder and see if it says who translated "Metamorphosis"? Thanks a lot. --Vasha 14:48, 19 April 2018 (EDT)

Copyright for this story on the "Acknowledgments" page is "copyright by Vanguard Press, 1946", so it's A.L. Lloyd's translation from Want me to add this info to and/or my verified Markwood 15:18, 19 April 2018 (EDT)
Yes, please add the translator info to both eds of World of wonder, and unmerged those novella records t from "translator unknown" and merge them with the 1946 Lloyd record instead. Thanks. --Vasha 16:13, 19 April 2018 (EDT)
Un-merged, and just submitted merge with Lloyd translation. Let me know if need to do any other changes. Markwood 16:56, 20 April 2018 (EDT)

The Tangled Lands

Added OCLC to our verified Annie 21:12, 21 April 2018 (EDT)

Pretty Monsters

Your verified publication Pretty Monsters had the title "Pretty Monsters: Stories" but I removed the subtitle because it's usual to not include low-information subtitles like "Stories" or "A Novel" in the database. --Vasha 14:02, 23 May 2018 (EDT)

Thanks. I've seen it both ways, so was unclear on our standard. Good to know. Markwood 13:55, 29 May 2018 (EDT)


We actually have a type for graphic stories - you enter is as short story and then once approved, there is a checkbox for that (the same way we have for novelization, juvenile and non-genre). I fixed this one. Should I remove the interior art you added? or keep it there to keep the art credit on the author? Annie 19:15, 12 June 2018 (EDT)

Good to know. If convenient, please remove the interiorart item. Thanks! Markwood 19:18, 12 June 2018 (EDT)
It had been kicked out from the publication and then deleted (as it now did not belong anywhere) :) Annie 19:22, 12 June 2018 (EDT)
About your question here - yep, that is exactly the way to do that :) Thanks for making the variant! :) Annie 20:06, 12 June 2018 (EDT)

Orbit 20

Hi, I plan to add this note to your verified publication Orbit 20

"The copyright registration shows a publication date of March 8, 1978" PatConolly 19:21, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

Kepler's Somnium

Hi. I get you to double check the title of "Somnium (excerpt)" on page 65 of Derleth's Beyond Time and Space E.F. Bleiler, the translator, lists it in his Science-Fiction: The Early Years as having the title "Somnium; or The Astronomy of the Moon: An Allegory of Science". He also doesn't mention that it is an excerpt. We have the story listed separately from the notes. The story is quite short, so I suspect the translation may be complete. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 22:03, 29 June 2018 (EDT)

Clute/Nicholls describes the translation as cut, so it does look like it is an excerpt. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:01, 30 June 2018 (EDT)
I keep finding more information. I hadn't read far enough in the review in Science-Fiction: The Early Years. Bleiler does state that his translation is "limited to the basic document, with such of Kepler's notes as might interest a layman or explain points in the narrative." I think it might be appropriate to make it a variant of the story. Are the notes presented separately? If so, we could add another title for the abridged notes. If not, we could probably cover this with a note on the title record for this translation. Let me know what you think. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:46, 30 June 2018 (EDT)
On the title page, the story title in large, bold type is "Somnium: or The Astronomy of the Moon". Below that are two lines in smaller italicized type: "An Allegory of Science, by Johannes Kepler" and "Translated by Everett F. Bleiler". Kepler's notes are embedded in the story as footnotes, so I would recommend they not be listed separately. I believe the story is complete, since it is presented as a dream and ends with the dreamer awakening. For the story title, I'd recommend using just the part in large bold type. The other two lines appear to be informational … and note that I included that information in the title record by quoting Derleth's introduction to the story. I'll go ahead and make the title edit as I've suggested. If you think it should also include the other two informational lines, please make that change. (BTW, apologies for delayed response. Been offline traveling for couple of weeks.) Markwood 15:10, 2 July 2018 (EDT)

Planned Project Scope Expansion

(I am leaving this note on the Talk pages of some of the more active editors to make sure that we are not missing anything. If you have been following this Rules and Standards discussion and agree with the proposal, please ignore this note.)

As per this discussion, ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition is about to be expanded to include:

  • Speculative fiction webzines, which are defined as online periodicals with distinct issues
  • Special speculative fiction issues of non-genre webzines
  • One time speculative fiction anthologies published on the Web

If you believe that this scope expansion may cause unforeseen and/or undesirable consequences, please share your thoughts on the Rules and Standards page. TIA! Ahasuerus 11:22, 4 July 2018 (EDT)

Leese Webster


Can you check the notes of your verified. The original notes were attributing some of the data to OCLC (not specifying which part of the data); your current note attributes the month to it. However this record does not say anything about a month. So - would you like to add the OCLC number and do the secondary verification and change the note not to point to OCLC for the month? Alternatively, just edit the notes to remove any reference to OCLC. Or is there another OCLC number that has the month? If so, can we add it? Thanks! Annie 17:55, 6 July 2018 (EDT)

There's no pub month in the book itself. The sept reference was already in the ISFDB record, along with the pub notes referencing Locus #226 & OCLC … so I left all of that in assuming it was already verified info. Amazon says pub month was October. Want to make that authoritative? Markwood 23:28, 6 July 2018 (EDT)
I am not arguing the month - just the note. The original message was crediting all the info about the book to OCLC and Locus. When you edited it after adding the details from your own book, it now implies that Locus and OCLC have the month as this is all you credit to the secondary sources. OCLC does not contain a month of publication. Hope this makes my message clearer. :) Annie 23:38, 6 July 2018 (EDT)
Got it. Submitted edit to fix. Thanks. Markwood 17:16, 7 July 2018 (EDT)


Added cover artist to your verified Rogues.SFJuggler 19:12, 3 September 2018 (EDT)

Seetee Shock

This publication is listed as by Jack Williamson, but the cover says Will Stewart. A review for this version says it was published under the Stewart pen name. There is no publication note stating the title page is different than the cover. Would you please double check the credit? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 11:15, 15 September 2018 (EDT)

Good catch. Thanks! I missed that when editing the stub. Markwood 11:42, 16 September 2018 (EDT)

Future Perfect

Future Perfect has two cover records, but no statement explaining that. Is this intentional (separate front and back covers) or an error? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:59, 14 October 2018 (EDT)

Not intentional, just an error. Just submitted edit to delete the redundant cover credit. Thanks for the catch! Markwood 19:14, 17 October 2018 (EDT)
To get rid of the extra, need to use "Remove Titles From This Pub" vs. editing the pub. I have taken care of it. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:31, 17 October 2018 (EDT)
Thanks for the tip, and for editing! Markwood 12:27, 18 October 2018 (EDT)

Stories for Chip

I just noticed that in the Amazon preview of Stories for Chip which you verified, the table of contents shows the title on page 65 as "Fantasy Coffin" but at the head of the actual story, it is "Fantasy Coffins." The former is what's in the database. Could you check what's in the book and change it if necessary? Thanks --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 20:50, 27 November 2018 (EST)

Wow, great catch (a single-character typo! :) Submitted edits to correct. Thanks! Markwood 11:35, 28 November 2018 (EST)

Up the Walls of the World

You wrote: «I've submitted edit to Pub Notes. In particular, I'm noting that there is no statement of edition or printing on the copyright page, and no printing gutter code in the book, which I've verified in 2 copies.»

You're right about the copyright page, and yes, there is no gutter code. Printing information is given on the front flap of the dustjacket: '7802'. I could not see your submission b.t.w. Many thanks for your compliments about my Farmer Bibliography. Zlan52 19:30, 16 December 2018 (EST)

Election Day 2084: Science Fiction Stories About the Future of Politics

Would you mind taking a look at this discussion? While it's about the hc, it would be good to check the tp version as well. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:18, 31 December 2018 (EST)

Invaders of Earth

Added note to your verified Invaders of Earth.SFJuggler 14:23, 1 January 2019 (EST)

"Characters in the Margins of a Lost Notebook," in Stories for Chip is not an essay.

I tried to make an edit to change "Characters in the Margins of a Lost Notebook" from ESSAY to SHORTSTORY, but because you're a primary verifier, I think it needs your approval. Can you have a look at it? Thanks! --Greg Hullender 11:31, 11 February 2019 (EST)

Great catch, Greg. Thanks! Right way to fix is to change the title record, which corrects all appearances (in this case, both the hc & tp versions of 'Stories for Chip'.) I went ahead and submitted that edit, so you can just cancel your edit. Markwood 11:57, 11 February 2019 (EST)


Hi, I replaced the ISBN's for both Sunspot Jungle, Volume One and Sunspot Jungle, Volume Two with their actual ISBN. These ISBNs will connect you to the right titles on both Amazon and WorldCat. The original sISBN as supplied by you -which no doubt is also to be found in/on the books- connects you to The End of the World Is Rye, both on Amazon and on WOrldCat.--Dirk P Broer 06:05, 20 February 2019 (EST)

THANKS! Great fix. I've edited the Title Notes and Pub Notes for the 2 books. Markwood 12:31, 20 February 2019 (EST)

The Books of Earthsea

In your verified The Books of Earthsea, there is a note stating there is an error in some page numbers. There really is not; it is simply that the color plates used as frontispieces for each of the six "books" have no page numbers. The first page of the books, with the title and a B&W illustration each, are the page numbers given in the toc. The last Roman numbered page is xii. I'll depend on Ofeara to fix the page numbers and note. I'm going to add a scan of the cover, a note saying there are 6 color plates on unnumbered pages acting as frontispieces for each volume included, and that the front and rear endpapers have the cover illustration on the left hand panel. Bob 17:07, 25 February 2019 (EST)

OK, thanks. Markwood 17:54, 25 February 2019 (EST)

Fearn's Liners of Time

Could I get you to double check the publisher of John Russell Fearn's Liners of Time. We have it listed as "Kingswood", but I'm pretty sure that it should be World's Work which happens to be located in Kingswood, Surrey. It's listed as World's Work in several of the secondary sources. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 17:57, 5 May 2019 (EDT)

Good catch! Missed that when I originally edited the stub. Corrected. Markwood 14:05, 13 May 2019 (EDT)

Our World in Space

For the essays in Our World in Space, do they actually have "(Our World in Space)" as part of the title? We only add the book title to generic essay titles (Foreword, Introduction). If an essay has a non-generic title, only the title is entered. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:11, 14 July 2019 (EDT)

No, I added the book title to the essay titles, thinking they were generic. If that's improper, leave off the parenthetical book title. Thanks. Markwood 19:25, 14 July 2019 (EDT)
See that you already added the record. I'll edit the essay titles. Markwood 19:26, 14 July 2019 (EDT)
Thanks. Changes accepted. Is the "Mars" essay in this book the same as the one in your verified The Science Fictional Solar System? -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:59, 14 July 2019 (EDT)
Good catch! No, it's not the same. I submitted title notes for both essays. Thanks. Markwood 12:10, 15 July 2019 (EDT)


I'm not sure what the problem is, perhaps because I don't know what edits you are trying to make. I added some notes and had no problem. I'm guessing that the problem is related to the specific edit(s); what are you trying to do? Bob 11:10, 16 July 2019 (EDT)

Uh … doh! I added an essay, but didn't notice the type was 'editor' instead of 'essay'. Fixed & submitted. Sorry to bother you. Markwood 21:16, 16 July 2019 (EDT)
Done the same thing myself, glad you worked it out. Bob 22:05, 16 July 2019 (EDT)

Luna: New Moon

Added interior art credit to Luna: New MoonJim 14:31, 21 July 2019 (EDT)

Pulphouse: The Hardback Magazine, Issue 4: Summer 1989

For the cover artist credit on Pulphouse: The Hardback Magazine, Issue 4: Summer 1989, the artist's 'middle' name is usually given as "Duram". See Jacqualynn Duram-Nilsson. I would like to double check your credit before I make a new alternative name. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:41, 12 August 2019 (EDT)

Well, I double-checked, and, yes, it has the "h" ("Durham") on the copyright page, with no hyphen between "Durham" and "Nilsson". So yet another alternate spelling. Markwood 19:30, 12 August 2019 (EDT)
Alternate name created. Thanks for checking. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:22, 13 August 2019 (EDT)

Nebula Award Stories Nine

You primary verified this title: I have submitted a change to the "cover" designation for Al Nagy as "jacket design" as per statement on the back flap of the dust cover, and deleted him as doing the "cover art" (which was attributed to Abebooks). Mike 2:41, 3 September 2019 (CST)

Three Stories

Added a note to your verified Three Stories.Jim 23:45, 6 October 2019 (EDT)

Strange Horizons: The Spectrum of Science Fiction

I'll be entering the contents for your verified Strange Horizons. Also a note, most of the essays were published earlier in a briefer version (from page iv). No indication how much briefer these versions were, so I'll variant them to the originals. Thanks, --Willem 15:00, 8 October 2019 (EDT)

Best Short Novels 2004

You are a primary verifier of I have submitted a detail to the pub note (on OCLC's error in the table of contents) & linked Goodreads in external IDs. Mike 12:21, 9 October 2019 (EDT)

Sorry, beat you to it

You got the full service moderator today - who merges and deletes things when they obviously need to be done. :) So the Title remove was already done by the time yours made it to the queue :) Annie 17:08, 30 October 2019 (EDT)

Notes formatting

When you are just updating a record and you do not plan to verify (or even if you do but there are other verifiers and you are just reformatting and not adding substantial information), please do not change the style of the notes (from non-html to html and vice versa). Not everyone is proficient enough with html to be comfortable with ul/li and we do not enforce one style over the other. Thanks in advance for respecting the other editors' styles. Annie 13:02, 7 November 2019 (EST)

OK, thanks for tip. FWIW, in this case, none of the prior editors are currently active.Markwood 13:22, 7 November 2019 (EST)
Yeah I know but people leave and then come back sometimes :) Think of it as a courtesy thing - if you are adding a lot of data, you are the one writing the note so you do whatever formatting you want. If you are doing housekeeping, you leave things as you found them and just add/fix. :) Annie 13:33, 7 November 2019 (EST)
OKMarkwood 13:37, 7 November 2019 (EST)

Nisi Shawl's Talk Like a Man

Hi, I'd think the title, and also the notes, would better be adapted to meet the other publications / titles in this series. What do you think, and: shall I do it? Christian Stonecreek 03:27, 21 November 2019 (EST)

Done. Markwood 08:49, 22 November 2019 (EST)
Thanks! I'll add some more informations to the notes, if you don't mind. Christian Stonecreek 12:37, 22 November 2019 (EST)
Done. And the cover image was uploaded too. Christian Stonecreek 12:58, 22 November 2019 (EST)

Have Space Suit Will Travel Graphic Novel

I rejected your variant of "Have Space Suit Will Travel Graphic Novel" to "Have Space Suit - Will Travel". A graphic novel version is significantly different than a text version so it would not be considered the same work for ISFDB purposes. Variants are for the same work under a different title / author name. We merge / variant minor differences, but major differences are kept separate works. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:57, 23 December 2019 (EST)

OK, thanks. Good to know. Markwood 10:06, 23 December 2019 (EST)

The Slow Regard of Silent Things

I rejected your deletion of The Slow Regard of Silent Things. I'm pretty sure the edition exists; I've seen a variety of other examples where the publisher produced a limited number of signed copies of trade hardcovers like this. I did change the ISBN to that of the trade edition, and the publication date as well. I looked the book up on and think I found examples for sale there. Bob 14:31, 23 December 2019 (EST)

I'm unclear on ISFDB standard for publisher-signed trade first editions that are finite, but not "limited" (no copy number/letter, no limitation page, no difference in the ISBN or copyright page.) Such copies are indistinguishable from a trade first edition which was event-signed. A "signed copy" sticker on the jacket is not a useful differentiator, because bookstores also do that for their event-signed books (and, anyway, those stickers are usually removed.) I checked, and didn't see any discussion of this in the wiki. If the standard is a separate listing for publisher-signed copies, does it matter if the signature was in-person for the publisher, or autopen? (I've got examples of both.) Anyway, if there's a standard, I'll snap to it of course. If there's no standard, I'd recommend addressing publisher-signed copies via a Pub Note rather than a separate listing. Thanks. Markwood 18:08, 23 December 2019 (EST)
Mark, I don't think there is an ISFDB standard. I asked in the Community Portal, and got two responses from two excellent moderators that were opposites. I suggest that you can use a pub note if you wish, but if someone else has entered the pub as a separate publication, just leave it. Bob 18:25, 27 December 2019 (EST)

Author update of Introduction (Time and the Riddle)

Hi Mark, you submitted an author update from Howard Fast to Frank Campenni, Ph.D.. We do not add titles to names, so I've approved and removed the Ph.D part. MagicUnk 16:04, 4 January 2020 (EST)

Argh! Scrap that. Turns our we do... sorry... MagicUnk 16:08, 4 January 2020 (EST)


Is it really $17.76, or could it be a typo? MagicUnk 16:27, 22 January 2020 (EST)

Not a typo. That really is the price on the book. Markwood 12:09, 23 January 2020 (EST)

Collector's Book of Science Fiction

to be continued (now falling asleep at the wheel) -Pwendt

Happy February's Eve. You are one of two ISFDB verifiers for The Collector's Book of Science Fiction [by H. G. Wells] (P37319 as April 1978). In contemporary newspapers I find several listings in 1978/79 newspaper advertisements of book sales. US prices $4.99 to $6.99, including one $5.99 as early as August 1978.

Unfortunately only one December 1979 advert reports a list price (as "$", where I infer Canadian currency):

Published at C$12.50 [and] Sale price C$7.98

No publisher, so a Canada edition is possible, although not to be expected. The same advertisement also lists Science Fiction by the Rivals of H. G. Wells (P29097 as April 1979) at the same prices C$12.50 and C$7.98. "The Book Barn ... Science Fiction, Astrology and Occult Week", The Globe and Mail (Toronto), 1979-12-01 p. G19.

The latter Castle Books anthology I don't find in newspapers by automated search ("Science Fiction by the Rivals").
WorldCat reports your collection only as published by Castle Books (au:wells; ti:The collector's book of science fiction").

to be continued (now falling asleep at the wheel) --Pwendt|talk 16:35, 31 January 2020 (EST)

2020-02-01: Newspaper search from 1980 to 1989 yields no more information about either of the Castle Books publications (except that some of the same bookstores considered it worthwhile to advertise them as titles on sale during 1980). What do you think of this item extending your bullet-list of publication notes:

C$12.50 list price for this title in Canada (currency and publisher not stated) is noted in one Toronto bookstore advertisement: "The Book Barn ... Science Fiction, Astrology and Occult Week", The Globe and Mail (Toronto), 1979-12-01 pG19.

--Pwendt|talk 19:36, 1 February 2020 (EST)

Science Fiction by the Rivals of H. G. Wells

Hi, again. Since yesterday you are a new primary verifier for Science Fiction by the Rivals of H. G. Wells (P29097 as April 1979). What do you think of this item extending your bullet-list of publication notes:

C$12.50 list price for this title in Canada (currency and publisher not stated) is noted in one Toronto bookstore advertisement: "The Book Barn ... Science Fiction, Astrology and Occult Week", The Globe and Mail (Toronto), 1979-12-01 pG19.

Here you are the only one active among three primary verifiers. The others have not replied on their talk pages since 2014 and 2016. --Pwendt|talk 19:48, 1 February 2020 (EST)

Thanks for checking, but no problem if you want to add that pub note based on your verification of the 1979 newspaper. Gotta say, I'm amazed that you've got access to such an old paper, and that you found that price reference. Kudos! Markwood 11:28, 2 February 2020 (EST)
For the companion book (immediately above) I await the other primary verifier, who is active.
I have a university library subscription to Historical Newspapers at (ambient inside the main library building). That provides automated text search of contents for many important English-language newspapers and magazines, and images of the hits. I'm sure these searches do miss much original content, but they do hit much. For example that may be more remarkable: Last hour I read some early 1850 notices of The Works of the Late Edgar Allan Poe published by J. S. Redfield T1006342 --including UK price 15s. in one advertisement; unfortunately no US price reported in any of numerous items. --Pwendt|talk 14:29, 3 February 2020 (EST)


I added cover art credit to this book, which you are the primary verifier Susan O'Fearna 00:58, 10 February 2020 (EST)

Susan, I put this submission, making Luis Royo the artist, on hold. You left the pub note saying the artwork is not credited, and you did not give a secondary source for the credit. Where does the credit come from? --MartyD 07:23, 10 February 2020 (EST)
Marty, the cover is a version of this cover... there's also one without the cape at all... here Royo: Women page 52: "Young Bleys" Susan O'Fearna 20:39, 10 February 2020 (EST)
Ok, thanks. I accepted the submission and added a reference to the other cover in the pub notes as the source of the artist credit. --MartyD 09:06, 11 February 2020 (EST)

Dangerous Visions - Harlan Ellison

Hello, you are sole PV here and I'd be grateful if you could confirm that each story has an introduction by Ellison and that there's also an afterword by each story's author. Thanks, Kev. BanjoKev 01:29, 13 February 2020 (EST)

Decades of Science Fiction


About this one. Non-fiction pieces outside of NON-FICTION books are always recorded as essays - even if they are a few thousand pages. :) So I changed that while approving. What is the title page showing? Is the Instructor's edition mentioned there (if so, the pub title should change)? Annie 22:53, 27 February 2020 (EST)

Hi, Annie. I just uploaded new cover image. No: not the title page nor any other page is different from the 'student' edition. Just the covers and included pages, as described. No prob with your change, of course. Markwood 08:47, 28 February 2020 (EST)
Ok then :) I was just making sure -- cloning does not allow the change of Pub title so wanted to make sure we do not forget to change it if we have to :) Thanks! Annie 12:00, 28 February 2020 (EST)
PS: I approved this as the other PV had been gone for 12 years but even when you are a PV, unless you are the only one, putting a short summary of what you changed in the Notes field is useful for figuring out what information came from where. :) Annie 12:03, 28 February 2020 (EST)


I added the LCCN to your verified Takeoff. Bob 16:29, 29 February 2020 (EST)

Reviews in Magill's Survey of Science Fiction Literature

I have added this publication which reprints several book reviews by Jack Williamson, including 4 that first appeared in Frank N. Magill's Survey of Science Fiction Literature. The reviews in question appear on pages 56 through 72. Please feel free to import them into the correct volume. I'll leave this same note on the other verifier's talk page. However, they have a note about checking in infrequently, so you may see this first. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:09, 12 April 2020 (EDT)

Jules Verne translations

I have been documenting the various translations of Jules Verne's works and trying to identify a piece of text from each translation so editors can position their publications under the correct title record. You are on record as a primary verifier for one or more publications for which I am looking for text or which are placed under a generic translation title. I would be grateful if you could assist in this by checking your copies, as listed below, and providing the initial text for missing translations or an indication of the translation for those unspecified. These are listed on the Jules Verne Translations wiki. Thank you. ../Doug H 15:04, 18 April 2020 (EDT)

Excellent. I've started moving the publication's entry to the correct title record. ../Doug H 20:05, 18 April 2020 (EDT)
Your note says it omits the first paragraph, but sounds more like an introduction. The name of Doctor Ox doesn't come into it until a couple of chapters in. Here are links to the original texts for translations by Alger and Towle (the drop down menu in the upper right will let you jump to the story). Does your copy look anything like either of these? If it doesn't pick up later with something like this, it's likely a new translation entirely. ../Doug H 20:05, 18 April 2020 (EDT)
Great. I've started moving the publication's entry to the correct title record. ../Doug H 20:05, 18 April 2020 (EDT)
Edited the pubs, added a note on your talk page.Markwood 19:02, 18 April 2020 (EDT)
Dr. Ox is a lightly edited abridgement of Towle. I submitted pub note update. Markwood 13:10, 19 April 2020 (EDT)

Doctor Ox's Experiment

Regarding your note here: story was moved to where it belongs. When you need to move a story from one variant to another, it is a two step process.

  • Step 1: Open the title page of your story and go to "Unmerge Titles" in the left menu. From the list that it opens, select the publication you want to change and submit. Once this is approved, the story in this book is not connected anywhere.
  • Step 2: Merge it with the place it needs to go to(or variant it to the parent if this will be a new variant - in this case, edit as well to add the notes on why it is a new variant). In this case, as the Towle variant existed with the correct title, I simply merged.

Note: This process works for every type of publication except omnibuses - for omnibuses, you should remove the title from the publication and either add or import the correct one instead (these two actions can be submitted in parallel). Let me know if you have any questions :) Annie 14:26, 27 April 2020 (EDT)

Thanks, Annie! Markwood 09:58, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

The World That Couldn't Be and 8 Other Novelets from Galaxy

Added a note to The World That Couldn't Be and 8 Other Novelets from Galaxy.Jim 13:03, 2 May 2020 (EDT)


Added a note to this referring to a copy I obtained recently. --Mavmaramis 07:58, 7 May 2020 (EDT)

Harlan Ellison's titles

Hello Mark. Wanted to let you know I've accepted your submissions, but had to fix html for all of them: changed '<a/ href=...' to '<a href=...'. Also, I've fixed a typo in this one where I changed PHOENIX WITHOUT AHSES into PHOENIX WITHOUT ASHES -- MagicUnk 08:32, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

THANKS, user:MagicUnk! I apologize for the html typos. Thanks for the fix and the syntax reminder. Markwood 09:19, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
You're welcome! :) MagicUnk 09:35, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

Binti: The Complete Trilogy


Can you check your verified and see if it has the DAW Collectors number (1813) on the copyright page? I can see it on the ebook so verifying if it is also on the hardcover so we can add it here (or add a note that it is not). Thanks! Annie 20:04, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

Yes, it's there. I submitted edit. Markwood 14:46, 30 May 2020 (EDT)

The Long Tomorrow

When you say "graphic stories" here, are those heavily illustrated stories or comics (aka if you remove the pictures, does the story hold together?) If they are comics and the story cannot exist without the illustrations (which is my usual experience with Moebius), then this is not eligible at this time (annoys me a lot - I like comics - but we do have the Rules of Acquisition) :( Annie 03:44, 5 June 2020 (EDT)

Hi, Annie. Yes, the graphic stories require the artwork, and they are formatted in boxes as in a comic. The stories are clearly genre. The stories are collected in a hardcover book. Moebius is in the Science Fiction Hall of Fame, and has a page in ISFDB. This book is, in all respects, the exact same as the anthologies listed for Stan Lee. Check out his ISFDB page. If the Rules of Acquisition allow the Stan Lee anthologies, they should allow this Moebius collection. IMHO. :) Markwood 18:45, 7 June 2020 (EDT)
Hello, Annie. Here are some more examples of comic-formatted graphic genre books which are currently allowed in ISFDB:,, and Reading the Policy and Moderator discussion pages, I believe ISFDB has defaulted to Wikipedia for definition of excluded "comics". IMHO none of these previously allowed books (or the Moebius graphic collection) are "comics" as defined in the Wikipedia article. I see my submission is still Pending, so I'm looking forward to seeing how Moderators resolve this. Thanks. Markwood 15:43, 8 June 2020 (EDT)
I was mostly away yesterday :)
Noone argues that this is not science fiction - it very obviously is. The question is if it meets our definition of "published speculative fiction" and is not excluded specifically. Just because something is allowed before does not make it eligible - we find books that need removing often.
The Ray Bradbury books are allowed as "above the treshold" author ones - which trumps pretty much any 'do not include' rule except for non-genre essays in non-genre publication one and similar restrictions. Same for Delany's and Gaiman's. So these are not comparable here - they would not have been allowed if they were not by these authors. Stan Lee's is iffy and do not belong if they are comics and not prose stories with illustrations... I am actually getting one of those anthologies to verify what they are exactly because they got me curious.
I am thinking on that - I still find this ineligible UNLESS we add it as non-fiction (aka as an art album) which will be even more absurd as this is not that either. Annie 16:22, 8 June 2020 (EDT)
A published hardcover book of SF stories that "very obviously is" science fiction, and is by an SF HoF inductee, is not "published speculative fiction." Yep, I agree: that sounds absurd. Well, I'm here with my box of popcorn, watching the show. Can't wait to see what happens next. ;) Markwood 18:15, 8 June 2020 (EDT)
A published book of "graphic format" SF stories. That's the part you chose to ignore for some reason. See the exclusions:
  • Speculative fiction is defined to exclude: ...Comic books, manga, and graphic novels...
That's what makes this book most likely ineligible and that's why I asked if it is illustrated text or sequential art (aka comics). We do not have an exception for SF HOF members unless we want to treat them as above treshold by default (which needs to be discussed with the community) - simply because most of them are obviously above the treshold - there aren't that many comics writers in the list. If you think we need to expand the rules and allow the sequential art forms (comics, graphic novels, mangas and similar), use R&S and find support for it. Moebius is in the DB for his covers, illustrations of other works and essays - not for his comics. Annie 18:51, 8 June 2020 (EDT)
PS: Moderator Discussion - if you want to keep an eye on it. Annie 18:59, 8 June 2020 (EDT)

(unindent) I rejected the addition. Comics/graphic novels/sequential art are allowed only if they are by above threshold authors (and induction in HOF does not make an author above the threshold if they do not have eligible for inclusion titles) or when they are in part of a genre publication - story in an otherwise non-graphic anthology or in a genre magazine for example. As you can see in the Moderator thread, we are working on revising the help page language so it is clearer what "published" means in terms of ISFDB. Sorry. Annie 23:26, 9 June 2020 (EDT)

Just as an update - the Stan Lee anthologies above are indeed text stories with 1 black and white illustration each. Which makes them eligible for addition. Annie 19:53, 15 June 2020 (EDT)

This Is How You Lose the Time War length

Would you please look at this discussion? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:58, 12 June 2020 (EDT)

We don't need to count words. When I originally edited the stub I left it as a novel. Since then, the authors & the awards committees agree the story is a novella, so the book is a chapbook. I just submitted edits to change the book to chapbook and the title to novella. Markwood 12:53, 13 June 2020 (EDT)

Joe Hill's Full Throttle Barnes & Noble signed edition finally got around to pulling this book and took photoes Susan O'Fearna 01:36, 17 June 2020 (EDT)

The Art of Richard Powers

Hello. I agree with your deletion, but I have put your submission on hold as I'd like to check in with Ahasuerus if he can move that single PV to the UK edition record. Thanks! MagicUnk 15:51, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

Title Record Formatting

HTML formatting should not be used in titles (publication or content). It breaks search as users would not be able to find the title without typing the HTML. You are welcome to document the formatting in the notes if you wish. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:03, 26 June 2020 (EDT)

Variant Dates

I had to reject a couple of changes to variant dates. Variants are dated to the first appearance of the variant, not of the parent. This allows people to see history of title, credit changes, etc. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 11:36, 27 June 2020 (EDT)

OK. I was unclear on that policy. Thanks for clarification. Markwood 11:51, 27 June 2020 (EDT)

Lamps on the Brow

Would you please check the title of the story on page 89 of Lamps on the Brow? Is it "Hermes' Horn" as listed or "Hermes' Lady"? There is another who says they have the book and wants to change it. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:35, 10 July 2020 (EDT)

Whoops. The title for that story should be "Herne's Lady", not "Hermes' Lady". "Herne" is last name of a character in the story. I missed that when verifying. Let me know if you'd like for me to make that edit. Thanks. Markwood 16:50, 10 July 2020 (EDT)
I made the change. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:38, 10 July 2020 (EDT)

The Hidden Girl and Other Stories

Hi Mark, in your verified pub, how about removing the "An excerpt from..." from 'A Chase Beyond the Storms', as it's not strictly part of the title of the story? I've just verified the UK edition and I've added that particular detail to the Notes. What do you think? PeteYoung 15:51, 14 July 2020 (EDT)

OK, I made the change in the US edition. I assume you'll make the change in the UK edition. FWIW, "an excerpt from ..." is in the Table of Contents and the story's title page, but it's in italics so I'm OK with not treating it as a subtitle. Regards. Markwood 16:07, 14 July 2020 (EDT)


Left a message with MLB. If he agrees, I will change. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:32, 14 July 2020 (EDT)

Change made. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:20, 14 July 2020 (EDT)

The Art of George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice & Fire

Regarding your The Art of George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice & Fire submissions: You are adding a pub series for these books. We differentiate between publisher level series like Ballantine Adult Fantasy) from title series (universe or groupings of books independent of publisher like Dune Universe). This would seem to be better represented as a title series since they would still be in the same series even if a different publisher would reprint them. Thoughts? -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:58, 28 July 2020 (EDT)

As there has been no response, I have gone with a title series instead. I accepted the new pub edit and the additional details to the other pub, but rejected the edit that only added the pub series, removed the pub series from the other two, and added the title series. For Volume 2, the record has a "2", but the cover has "Two". If the title page is different than the cover, it would be good to add a pub note stating they differ. If the title page has "Two", than the record needs to be updated. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 11:31, 30 July 2020 (EDT)
Thanks for correcting the series, and pointing out the title issue. Just submitted edit to fix the title ("Two" instead of "2".) Markwood 11:49, 30 July 2020 (EDT)

SpaceShip One: An Illustrated History

I have your submission of SpaceShip One: An Illustrated History on hold and I am trying to figure out whether the book is eligible for inclusion based on our inclusion policy.

Your Note to Moderator reads "entering because of Arthur C. Clarke's Foreword". I think the relevant part of the Rules of Acquisition is:

  • Works (both fiction and non-fiction) which are not related to speculative fiction, but were produced by authors who have otherwise published works either of or about speculative fiction over a certain threshold (see below). This includes any non-genre works published as standalone books as well as non-genre short fiction, but excludes non-fiction which was not published as a standalone book [emphasis added]. Thus, Poul Anderson's mysteries and his non-fiction book about thermonuclear weapons will be included, but Gregory Benford's professionally published scientific articles will be excluded.

The wording is a bit convoluted since it tries to cover multiple scenarios. However, the emphasized part appears to suggest that we shouldn't be entering otherwise ineligible publications just because they include non-fiction essays by authors "above the threshold" (like Clarke.) Would you agree? Ahasuerus 18:40, 28 July 2020 (EDT)

I defer to you, of course, since you've got a concern I don't: conservation of cost/space. If that's an issue, then I understand why the wiki policy needs to be ring-fenced so carefully. If there were no cost/space constraints, I'd argue in favor of more inclusive guidelines to support the research and archive goals of the wiki. Case in point: I'd include a non-genre publication in order to document an Arthur C. Clarke essay about space exploration. Bottom line: I'll continue to submit publications I think are appropriate, but I've got no problem with moderators making conservative choices to conserve cost/space. Thanks for asking, though. :) Markwood 10:19, 29 July 2020 (EDT)
I don't think it is a space/cost thing as much as not loading the DB with thousands of books which are out of scope. Some of the modern genre writers have penned hundreds of introductions outside of the genre for example... And we are mainly a fiction DB - so we are more restricted on the non-fiction as a rule -- we will get any fiction piece we can claim as published (and which is not a comics/GN) but for non-fiction, we are a bit more careful. We can always reopen the discussion on that - and change the consensus - as we did when we opened the rules to allow webzines for example. :) Annie 13:16, 29 July 2020 (EDT)
That's right, the space/cost associated with an additional non-fiction book -- or even 50,000 additional non-fiction books -- would be marginal. The main problems would be performance and the ease of navigation. Clarke's (or Asimov's) "Summary" pages are already very busy, take a long time to compile/display and are hard to navigate. Adding hundreds of forewords, magazine articles, etc would aggravate the problem. It would also create thousands of new author records for people who are not directly related to written SF, in this case Dan Linehan.
More broadly, it's important to make sure that all submissions adhere to ISFDB:Policy as closely as possible. Even if a moderator approves a book that is "out of scope" as currently defined, there is nothing stopping another editor from coming across it a month or a year later, saying "Hm, this is clearly out of scope" and deleting the record. A creation-deletion cycle like that would generate a great deal of frustration for everyone involved.
If you would like to see the inclusion policy changed, please start a discussion on the Rules and standards discussions page. Policies do change over time -- in 2020 alone we have made 8 changes as per Rules and standards changelog. Ahasuerus 15:52, 29 July 2020 (EDT)
I appreciate your all's perspective. Thanks for replies. I don't want to add to the moderators' workload, so I'm not going to pursue a broader policy. Thanks to all moderators for your service. And apologies in advance if I occasionally submit another out-of-scope pub. Markwood 16:44, 29 July 2020 (EDT)

Teen-Age Science Fiction Stories

Cover and explanation of its provenance added to your verified. Let me know if you have any concerns with it. Thanks! Annie 13:09, 29 July 2020 (EDT)

Excellent edit. Thanks! Markwood 13:45, 29 July 2020 (EDT)

Adventure in Space

Hi, this publication is showing up on the cleanup reports for a mismatch between the publication author (MacVicar and Moore) and the title author (uncredited). If the title page does not list both authors and 'only' states the book's title Adventure in Space then you will want to change the publication author to uncredited, too, or the title author, if the two names are indeed stated on the title page. Thanks. John. JLochhas 16:32, 29 July 2020 (EDT)

fixed. Thanks. Markwood 12:11, 30 July 2020 (EDT)

The Perfect Robot

Does Robots Robots Robots state the translator for "The Perfect Robot" (page 225) or that this is the same version as from Time Out of Mind? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:04, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

It's the same. Footnote credit is "Reprinted from 'Time Out of Mind and Other Stories' by Pierre Boulle, Copyright 1966". Let me know if you'd like me to add a pub note. Markwood 09:09, 2 August 2020 (EDT)
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