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Hi Ron, I've updated the publisher to your PV {{P|370863|here}} while I was submitting {{P|760828|this printing}}. Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 04:04, 13 February 2020 (EST)
Hi Ron, I've updated the publisher to your PV {{P|370863|here}} while I was submitting {{P|760828|this printing}}. Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 04:04, 13 February 2020 (EST)
:And amended your page 320 to 321. Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 14:28, 13 February 2020 (EST)
:And amended your page 320 to 321. Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 14:28, 13 February 2020 (EST)
== Introduction (Land of the Great Horses) - Harlan Ellison ==
Hi Ron, merged your {{P|698044|page 134 essay}} dated 2019-04-04 with earlier title dated 1967-10-00. Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 09:48, 14 February 2020 (EST)

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If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a COVER IMAGE or NOTES to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, please click HERE and add it to the bottom of the list. A link to the pub record would be appreciated. Once the pub has been reviewed, I'll remove your note from the list. Thanks. Ron (Rtrace)


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The Man in the High Castle - PKD

Hi Ron, just checking through the Masterworks listing and noticed yours here. Should the full publisher name be Gollancz / Orion? Thanks, Kev. BanjoKev 16:56, 3 January 2020 (EST)

And similarly, should this be Millennium / Orion -or- Millenium / Gollancz? Kev. BanjoKev 17:01, 3 January 2020 (EST)

Corrected both to "Gollancz / Orion" matching the book. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:53, 4 January 2020 (EST)

Margaret Dominic vs Margaret Dominick

Hi, here I have changed Margaret Dominic to Margaret Dominick in The Science Fiction Fanzine Reader: Focal Points 1930-1960, based upon the TOC of Science Fantasy Bulletin, August 1952 of found at We are now left with Vega, June 1952 (cover), could you please check?--Dirk P Broer 18:51, 24 January 2020 (EST)

Update: We also have her as DEA.--Dirk P Broer 18:55, 24 January 2020 (EST)
The Ortiz book doesn't have a credit for those illustrations. I got the credit for the Vega cover from where they have the incorrect name on their index page for that issue. In any case, given the lack of credit for the reprint, I went with the canonical name, which I decided should be DEA. In fact, the TOC from from the SFB issue, has the credit as "DEA (M. Dominick)", so making DEA canonical seems appropriate. In any case, I've corrected the records and made the variant relationship. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 08:47, 25 January 2020 (EST)

Passport to Jupiter in January 1951 Startling Stories

Hi, Ron. Since you're PV of January 1951 Startling Stories, thought I'd throw this to you for consideration. The Raymond Gallun title 'Passport to Jupiter (Complete Novel' (1951), which appears in that pulp, is currently below a parent title 'Passport to Jupiter' (2006). This seems backward to me. Shouldn't the original title be the parent, and the 2006 title the child? Anyway, your call. Just sayin'. ;) Markwood 17:43, 26 January 2020 (EST)

In cases where a novel was serialized, we reflect the date of the first book publication. This is true even when the serialization is in a single part as with this case. What I do see that is incorrect here, is that the first book publication was 1961 German translation and the canonical title should reflect that date. The reasons for for using the book publication date can be found here. I'll go ahead and change the date to match the translation. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:06, 26 January 2020 (EST)
Great info. Good to know. Thanks! Markwood 09:53, 27 January 2020 (EST)

The Works of the Late Edgar Allan Poe

Hi, Ron. Happy New Year
Concerning this multi-volume collection T1006342, The Works of the Late Edgar Allan Poe published by J. S. Redfield: It appears likely that you are the sole editor of all three publication records. All three 1850, 1853, 1856 now link full interior images online and cite "Information primarily from the Edgar Allan Poe Society of Baltimore." But you are primary verifier for the 1850 and 1853 only.

  • Is this standard ISFDB treatment of single-author Collected Works published in multi volumes: one Collection rather than Series or Publication Series?
That would depend on whether the volumes were published together or separately. In this case, I believe the set was originally published with two volumes issued together. Late as three, and then four.
  • Do you consider it certain, presumably from Poe Society, that we have the first publication dates 1850, 1853, 1856? If so then all of the critical biographical essays in vol 3 need re-date from 1850 to 1853. Perhaps I am missing the significant implication of this title note, "Another collection of Poe's writings, The Literati, published later in 1850 had no mention of this set."
My understanding is that The Literati was published by itself in 1850 and later incorporated into The Works in 1853. The facsimile of the title page of the 1850 edition from the Baltimore Poe society has no mention of the that edition as being part of the Works. Compare with the title page from volume 3 of the 1850 edition. The dates of the contents are from the volume's stand alone printing, for which we do not have a record. In any case, the dates of all these editions are based on the dates of the scans that have been found.
Thanks. I understand the 1850 essay dates. Also, I see now that we do have the standalone 3rd volume, as 1850 The Literati: Some Honest Opinions About Autorial Merits and Demerits P290139, and probably your work. That is easy to miss, as NONFICTION rather than COLLECTION, and with its short Contents list. Crucial "The Literati of New York City" (1846) and "Miscellaneous Reviews" evidently represent book sections containing dozens of essays. ... --2020-02-05
  • Should most if not all vol 3 essay also be "non-genre"? (Some vol 1, vol 2 contents also, I suppose.)
Perhaps. I didn't do any research into the subject of the essays. Feel free to mark any that you think are appropriate.

I don't suggest you change anything now. For one, I will check newspapers perhaps tomorrow --including the Baltimore Sun, if I recall my 1850s and university subscription correctly-- and may find prices as well as dates, or improved information about when these were published, if not "dates".

Now I depart, but I am back here as a regular again, after January immersed elsewhere. --Pwendt|talk 16:23, 2 February 2020 (EST)

Answers inline above. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:05, 2 February 2020 (EST)
... Inline is excellent. Only two tidbits now:
[4] In 1850 newspapers I find no US price. The only UK item found does state "2 vols. post 8vo. cloth, price 15s." but that advertisement of American Literature by John Chapman must be a list of imported books.
[5] Is our 1853 date 1853-00-10 a mistake for 1853-00-00 or for 1853-10-00? Searching the linked Poe Society articles for 'October', I don't find that a crucial month in 1853.
(to be continued after reading at --Pwendt|talk 20:50, 5 February 2020 (EST)

An Annotated Bibliography of Recursive Science Fiction

Hi Ron, my copy of this pub states its a first printing, with a publication date of October 1990. Locus1 agrees on this, and also states a price of $6.00. I would like to change the publication date and add the price. Can you agree? Thanks, --Willem 08:33, 4 February 2020 (EST)

The printing date on mine agrees with yours. For the price, Locus should be a sufficient source. Please go ahead and make those changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:30, 4 February 2020 (EST)
Thanks & updated. --Willem 07:12, 5 February 2020 (EST)

The Moon Hoax

Hi, Ron. I post the first two items also at User talk:Chris J.

  1. Concerning reported 1859 chapbook publication The Moon Hoax (with subtitle, containing novelette with title "Great ... Good Hope", viewed at Internet Archive) P211217, what do Bleiler and Reginald say about this publication and work? Especially concerning its previous publication in 1852 (and not in 1835). Our cited WorldCat record notes only concerning the novelette alone (and under a different title, we know from other sources): "First published in the New York Sun in August and September, 1835, from the supplement to the Edinburgh Journal of Science"--Page [7].
  2. Concerning reported 1852 chapbook publication The Moon Hoax (no subtitle, containing novelette with the same title) P211213, do you know anything of this work/publication? I guess that it may be inferred by you or Chris J from one of your sources on the 1859 above. From SFE3 list works of Richard Adams Locke (which does not imply credited), here is the only 1852 listing (quote in full): The Celebrated "Moon Story", its Origin and Incidents; with a Memoir of the Author, and an Appendix, Containing, I: An Authentic Description of the Moon; II: A New Theory of the Lunar Surface, in Relation to That of the Earth (New York: Bunnell and Price, 1852) [anth: contains original text plus additional material: compiled by William N Griggs: hb/]
  3. Concerning our reported 1835-08 INTERIORART 'The Moon Hoax' T1769686, what does your verified Relapse, #21, Spring 2013 say about where it was published in 1835, including caption or title with/without quotation marks?

Thanks in advance. --Pwendt|talk 21:59, 7 February 2020 (EST)

There's nothing about the 1852 edition in Bleiler. However, Reginald does list it and we had a few errors in our record (title, which matches what you found in SFE3 and format), which I've corrected. Feel free to update the contents if you can track down how the story and other content may be titled. I left William N. Griggs in the title as that's how Reginald lists it.
I think I need to change the date of the illustration in Relapse. The illustration is of either the endpapers or a fold out frontispiece and the title page of a translation of the story into Welsh. Unfortunately, it's a bit small to read the subtitle, publisher and date. The main title is "Lleuad" Perhaps you can track that down. In any case, the caption is clearly not the original title of the illustration, so I'll move the date to 2013 and add a note as to the source.
Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:21, 8 February 2020 (EST)

Second-Stage Lensmen - Doc Smith

Hi Ron, if you didn't post this [1], could you have a look to confirm your cover and let me know. I'll upload my scan if yours matches my description. Thank, Kev. BanjoKev 18:56, 9 February 2020 (EST)

The cover of mine lists the title as Second Stage Lensmen. It differs from the title page in that it lacks the hyphen. Please go ahead and upload your scan. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:41, 10 February 2020 (EST)
Done. Thanks, Kev. BanjoKev 21:34, 10 February 2020 (EST)

Dangerous Visions - Harlan Ellison

Hi Ron, I've updated the publisher to your PV here while I was submitting this printing. Thanks, Kev. BanjoKev 04:04, 13 February 2020 (EST)

And amended your page 320 to 321. Kev. BanjoKev 14:28, 13 February 2020 (EST)

Introduction (Land of the Great Horses) - Harlan Ellison

Hi Ron, merged your page 134 essay dated 2019-04-04 with earlier title dated 1967-10-00. Thanks, Kev. BanjoKev 09:48, 14 February 2020 (EST)

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