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Hi. I have put your various Orbit -> Orbit (US) submissions, and the one submission adding contents to ''Honor Among Thieves'' on hold. I don't have any issue with the accuracy of the changes, but when changing data in a primary-verified publication, you should notify the verifier first -- leave a message on the verifier's talk page -- and only make the changes if they agree (or do not respond in a reasonable amount of time). It is often just a formality, but the process does uncover different editions and opportunities for further changes. I will drop some notes, so just keep this in mind for the future. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:29, 30 June 2018 (EDT)
Hi. I have put your various Orbit -> Orbit (US) submissions, and the one submission adding contents to ''Honor Among Thieves'' on hold. I don't have any issue with the accuracy of the changes, but when changing data in a primary-verified publication, you should notify the verifier first -- leave a message on the verifier's talk page -- and only make the changes if they agree (or do not respond in a reasonable amount of time). It is often just a formality, but the process does uncover different editions and opportunities for further changes. I will drop some notes, so just keep this in mind for the future. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:29, 30 June 2018 (EDT)
:Sorry about the delay. I've accepted all of these now, having done the best I could with the verifiers. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 19:24, 9 July 2018 (EDT)
== Covers variants and merges ==
== Covers variants and merges ==

Revision as of 23:24, 9 July 2018



Hello, TerokNor, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the community portal, or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! MHHutchins 22:04, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Timothy Zahn's Blackcollar

I'm holding your submission updating this pub as it appears that the ISBN is actually assigned to another title (Resonance by Chris Dolley according to OCLC, Amazon and Also you've changed it to an omnibus, but have only entered one novel as its contents. Does this pub include another novel (other than The Backlash Mission)? Thanks. MHHutchins 22:11, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Replacing cover scans

Hello, I approved your submission identifying PAJ as the illustrator of this pub. It's customary to inform the primary verifier of this modification as per their demand, see here. Hauck 12:27, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Panther and Granada handling

Hi. I accepted your Dying Earth submission. In answer to your question about the publisher, when you see something like Panther Books over Granada, Granada is usually the publisher, with Panther being the imprint (often, the "imprint" might have been an independent publisher at some point, bought by the current publisher, with the brand name maintained). We record this using <imprint> + space + / + space + <publisher>. E.g., Panther / Granada. I made that change and put the information from your note to the moderator into the publication notes. Please feel free to adjust what I wrote to reflect reality. :-) A handy trick I've learned for dealing with publishers and imprints is when you're on one of the ISFDB pages, you can choose "Publisher" in the search box at the left, and then look for the names you see (e.g., Panther or Granada). That will give you some ideas about what others have entered. --MartyD 12:16, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Some of your submissions

Hi, I have your submission on hold to add How Old Holly Came To Be to 'The Kingkiller Chronicle' series, while both the author's blog ("Yes, my story is set in the Four Corners world") and the anthology's page speak of another series. Have you other or additional Information?

Also, I rejected your submission to add Michael J. Sullivan's The Jester to the series 'The Riyria Universe' and put it instead into the sub-series 'The Riyria Chronicles'. Else it would have been somewhat freefloating within the 'Universe'.

Similar case for Peter V. Brett's Mudboy: the proper (sub-)series is 'Demon Cycle', again as per the anthology page.

Apart from these few 'complaints' you helped very much in keeping track of the various author's cycles and series. Thanks for that! Stonecreek 03:47, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

I found your hint about the Kingkiller/Four Corners series and approved of your submission. Thanks for clearing things! Stonecreek 13:27, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Terry Brooks' "Paladins of Shannara" chapterbooks

I accepted you submission of Alannon's Quest and moved the source information you provided in the notes to the moderator the the publication notes instead. If data does not come first hand from the publication itself, we record the source(s) in the notes so that anyone looking at the record can tell where it did come from. While I was at it, I made a new Shannara Universe sub-series, Paladins of Shannara, and placed the novelette in it.

The same goes for The Weapons Master's Choice and The Black Irix. The latter had a copy-paste problem, reusing the former's Amazon link; I changed that. I also added links to the cover images on Amazon, while I was at it.

Please review. Thanks. --MartyD 12:19, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Stirling's Emberverse

I have rejected your submission to put this story into the Emberverse series. There are two sub-series, Emberverse I and Emberverse II, and according to the author's site it belongs into the first. So I've put it into that one. Thank you again for keeping an open eye. Stonecreek 17:15, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Ann Leckie's Ancillary Sword

Since October 2014 is still 6+ months in the future, I am afraid I will have to reject the submission. There is a very good chance that something will change between now and October -- publication date, cover art, perhaps even the ISBN. Typically, we enter forthcoming ISBNs 6 to 10 weeks before publication when things are more settled. Ahasuerus 19:33, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Linking split novels

Well, the best way to link would be to link/variant both titles to the original one, just like for the first german publication of Perdido Street Station, which was split into Die Falter and Der Weber. Stonecreek 05:00, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Cover: A Princess of Mars

Cover art credits that are identical (same publication title, same artist credit, same artwork) should be merged not varianted. Varianting is only used if the title or artist credit vary, but the artwork is the same. I have rejected your submission to variant the this cover art and have instead merged it. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 21:39, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Series and Variant Titles

When adding a title series, please ensure you add it to the parent record and not a variant. If you add it to the parent, it will automatically be displayed on any variants. I had to reject your edit, but I added "The Expanse" to the parent record. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:01, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Sources in the Note field

Re this record: The URL for the source should be given in the "Note" field, not the "Note to Moderator" field. All data entered into the latter field disappears the moment the submission is accepted, because its purpose is to provide information concerning the submission itself, and not about the publication. Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:06, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

You continue to enter source information in the "Note to Moderator" field. You should enter the URL in the "Note" field as explained above. I will hold all submissions until you've had a chance to read this message and respond to it. Thanks for contributing. Mhhutchins 18:36, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry about that. I was thinking that because URLs can change just mentioning the name of the source in the "Note" field was enough, with the actual URL additionally given in the "Note to Moderator" field for double-checking. Also, links to Deutsche Nationalbibliothek are generated automatically via the ISBN if I see this right. Can you confirm I should put the link to DNB in the "Note" field? How about Amazon as the other main source I use? Thanks. TerokNor 20:02, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
You don't have the give the URL at all if you give the source in the Note field. If you choose to give the URL, you also have the option to link it, but that's not required. You don't have to link Amazon (or any website listed in the "Other Sites" menu of a publication record), because all records with ISBNs are automatically linked to those sites. For non-ISBN publications, it's a good idea (but not required) to link the source in the Note field. Giving the URL in the Note to Moderator field isn't necessary and it disappears upon acceptance. If there is something unusual about the submission which you feel the moderator should know (but don't want to be visible in the publication record), then state it in the Note to Moderator field. Also, if you find it necessary to ask questions, don't use the Note to Moderator field to ask it. Questions should be asked in a message posted at the ISFDB:Help_desk. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:35, 22 June 2014 (UTC)


You created records for some publications which are already in the database. (This one for example.) I will delete the duplicates. Please do a search before making a submission to create a new record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:44, 5 July 2014 (UTC)


If you're adding publications from a secondary source, you can get the bindings from their listings on Amazon. It will usually give whether it's a hardcover or paperback. For paperback listings, you have to look further at the dimensions in the publication data of the listing. If it's more than 7 inches or 18 centimeters, a paperback should be entered as "tp". I've updated this on most the records you've entered today, but keep this in mind when adding any future records. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:48, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

You can also use Amazon to provide the publication date. I wouldn't suggest using them for anything older than 2000. Mhhutchins 20:58, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Series and Variant Records

Thanks for removing the series data from those variant records, but anytime that a record is a variant of another record in a series, that series data will be displayed in all of the variant titles as well. So adding series data to variants would be redundant and have both titles to be displayed on the series list. (This was mentioned in an earlier post by another moderator.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 14:37, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Euro character

Please use € (entered as ALT-0128) to indicate publications priced in euros. Thanks. Mhhutchins 14:45, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Changing the type of a publication

When you see that a publication has been entered under the wrong type, e.g. NOVEL should be COLLECTION, you have to change the type field of both the publication record and its title record. I've done that for you here. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:42, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Pseudonyms and variants

These are two different functions. The creation of pseudonyms only affect author records. The creation of variants only affect title records. So when you do one of these you have to follow up by doing the other. The titles under Bernard Craw and James A. Sullivan will have to be varianted to the parent author. (BTW, you don't have to wait for acceptance of a submission to do one in order to do the other.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:17, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Entering euros in the price field

There should not be a space between the currency symbol and the amount. If the currency is in a non-symbolic or abbreviated alphabetical form, a space is necessary. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:01, 31 January 2015 (UTC) good source for data on recent publications

If you're looking for publication date or prices (and to link a cover image) for recent German publications, a good source is (I don't recommend using it for publications more than a decade old.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:53, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Pseudonyms and variants again

As noted above, when you create a pseudonym, you have to also variant all of the titles under that pseudonym to the canonical author. Please proceed to variant the four titles by Jacob Ben Gunter to Peter David. If you're certain that it's a correct pseudonym,(you wouldn't make a submission to do so otherwise), you can do the variant submissions without waiting for moderation of the pseudonym submission. Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:47, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Die Star Wars Saga

Please add content records for the novels contained in this publication. Thanks. Mhhutchins 06:42, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Still waiting for the contents to be added to this OMNIBUS publication. This type of publication requires that at least one content record be a NOVEL. I suspect that there are the three original novelizations of the first Star Wars trilogy, but I'd have to research to determine the translated titles of each. You should be able to do it easier than me. Mhhutchins 01:04, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and added contents. Please correct any errors if present. Mhhutchins 04:16, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Entering contents of an OMNIBUS

Same problem as above with this record. When you enter an OMNIBUS, you must enter content records for each of the NOVELs which it contains. Mhhutchins 00:09, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Publication dates from secondary sources

I added the publication date to this record sourced from For books published within the last decade Amazon is a good source for the publication date. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:43, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Feist - Magician

Replaced cover art for this book with full wraparound version. And I'm that much of a nerdy fan that I know that Terok Nor is the Cardassian name for Deep Space Nine. --Mavmaramis 08:51, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Le Guin's The Left Hand of Darkness

Can you confirm that the author credit and ISBN-13 stated in this record is present in the publication itself? The author credit should be from the title page, and the ISBN-13 (all digits) must be given on the copyright page. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins|talk 01:19, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes on both. I left a moderator note on the pub submission regarding the name, and the ISBN is indeed 13 digits on the copyright page. This is the currently in-print UK edition. TerokNor 09:16, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
But did they really didn't change the reprint history, which seems to end in 1992? Stonecreek 14:42, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
They didn't. It looks to me like they only introduced number lines with the 1992 edition, abandoning the old printing history. Compare this record for example. TerokNor 17:17, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Now it all makes sense. I know that a 1992 printing wouldn't have an ISBN-13. Perhaps a note of clarification is needed? Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 19:25, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
One last thing: which of the two Tim White covers for this work is used in this printing? Once you've determined that, please merge your coverart title record with the correct one. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 19:26, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
I modified the note and have already merged the covers. TerokNor 11:47, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Shadow of Intent

Hello, I've added the corresponding novella to your submission. A CHAPBOOK must have a content (exactly one SHORTFICTION title). Hauck 14:41, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Van Richten's Guide to Ghosts

Re this title: Changing the type of a title has no effect on the type of the publication. So it would have been better to update the publication record and you could have edited the types of both. I've updated the publication. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Mhhutchins|talk 00:27, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

"Wax and Wayne" sub-series

I have your "Wax and Wayne" sub-series submissions on hold. It looks ok to me, but since the change affects verified publications, it's the sort of thing one should ask the primary verifiers about first. I've posted a note to the verifiers here. Once they give their OK, I'll accept those submissions. BTW, it looks like it would be nice to figure out a sub-series name for that first trilogy, too. I didn't see anything obvious on Sanderson's site, though. --MartyD 12:44, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Perry Rhodan and Perry Rhodan NEO universes

Thanks for the suggestion, but we came to the verdict that they are separate universes, at least as long as no one writes a connecting story. The difference to other universes is that Star Trek or Star Wars subseries are just separated by time gaps, not by a different occurence of events and somewhat different main characters. So, as long as you have no additional information, it seems the universes are mutually exclusive by logic. Stonecreek 13:30, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

That's not really the case with Star Trek/Star Wars. Star Wars for example has all material published before 2014 now classified as "Legends", with new books overwriting the old stories. Star Trek has had a large novel-only continuity since about 2001, but books are published that are not compatible with it all the time, like a tie-in to the Star Trek Online game, or the "Crucible" trilogy. The difference to PR is that all those tie-in books still adhere to the continuity of the original films and/or TV shows, so it's not quite the same situation. Still my point remains - listed under one main series are stories that are incompatible with each other and tell different versions of the same events. It also feels somehow "wrong" to me to have no connection between different incarnations of the same franchise (for lack of a better word) in the database. TerokNor 14:23, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Still the owner of the Perry Rhodan franchises keeps the two series as independent. As stated above: this may change somewhen in the future. By all logic applied now and here, they are different. There ain't no connection as one universe being a legend in the other, as in Star Wars; there's only a similarity in name. Stonecreek 14:36, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

The Returned

Hello, I've approved your submission but choose (as per data that you gave) to take the simplest route, i.e. to treat each book as a standalone novel (you gave a word count of 50.000) a bit along the lines of what was done for this split novel. It will be time later if the whole text appears in one book either to make it an OMNIBUS or to variant the parts to the whole (as is made for translated works) or to go the SERIAL route (I'm not very fond of that, as SERIAL being usually for magazine publication). Result is here for the first one. Hauck 09:48, 20 August 2016 (UTC)


When entering essays with generic titles (Introduction, Preface, Forward, etc.), the publication title should be added afterwards in parenthesis. I approved your edit to Apollo's Daughters, but changed the introduction title to "Introduction (Apollo's Daughters)". Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 12:41, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Just to be sure, can you confirm that this text is a fiction one (its title may indicate an essay). Thanks. Hauck 12:48, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Boten des Lichts

Hello. Re your update of this pub : I have replaced the cover scan you provided (with a very poor definition) by a better one. Thanks, Linguist 09:48, 29 August 2016 (UTC).

Mann zweier Welten

Hello, I've approved your submission for this publication. I'm surprised that the flags for "Nongenre" and "Graphic format" are set to "yes". Is this deliberate? Hauck 10:23, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

That was not deliberate. I don't know how those got there. I don't see them checked on the submission page when I go back in my browser history. TerokNor 10:46, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
There was a recent change for this fields, likely a side-effet. I'll correct the title data. Hauck 10:55, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Dark Run

Hello, I've approved your submission for this new novel but changed publisher to "Karen Traviss" as per copyright page. As I've understood it, we decided to stop using "CreateSpace" as it's just the printer and make the author the publisher. Hauck 18:24, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Die dunkle Seite des Mondes

Hello, I've approved your submission but was wondering if we should variant the cover to this one or just add a note? What are your thoughts on the matter? Hauck 10:42, 28 June 2017 (EDT)

Interesting, nice find. First thought: I would have no problem with making it a variant. But: what if the background is from a different cover that might also be in the database? That would complicate things. So maybe a note is enough. TerokNor 18:48, 1 July 2017 (EDT)

Star Wars

Hello TerokNor, here is the title with "Star Wars" other pubs are without this, can we delete this term "Star Wars"? It belongs not to the title. Please look at the discussion Blanvalet and Star Wars --Wolfram.winkler 05:51, 5 July 2017 (EDT)

Sure, the series title probably doesn't need to be part of the publication title - most similar publications do not have it either. So I have no problem with removing it. TerokNor 07:53, 13 July 2017 (EDT)
Thanks to you both. I've changed the title.Christian Stonecreek 08:39, 13 July 2017 (EDT)

"Ordering" authors

Had a good chuckle over the submission to change the 'ordering' of the authors for [this]. This is fighting the ghost/gremlins in the machine. As yet I know of no way to re-arrange multiple authors once the edition is in the database, and the software seems quite frivolous/perspicacious/downright weird as what you enter even from scratch isn't necessarily what you get after it's been accepted. I tried the same edit you did but at the title level, no change. I haven't tried entering a completely NEW omnibus and see what happens, but I seem to recall trying that before and having the same 'null' result. Maybe Ahasuerus can explain it or maybe there's a workaround I'm unaware of, but at the moment the attempt is just tilting at windmills. I think everybody's tried it at least once. --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:21, 2 August 2017 (EDT)

I think the ordering change was just something I did on the side, I primarily wanted to correct the author from "Sarah Shaw" to "Sarah Shaw (pseudonym)". But that's good to know in any case, thanks. TerokNor 11:04, 3 August 2017 (EDT)

Das Netz der Romulaner

I found an image URL for this pub. Can You confirm it right? It seems to be signed by artist? And I found other prices at Deutsche Nationalbibliothek. --Zapp 07:18, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

I don't have it anymore, so I can't confirm unfortunately. So I can't say whether the cover matches the printing I had exactly. It does look right for the era though, and I also found this eBay listing for the same printing. The artist is of course the same as on English editions, since the artwork matches. TerokNor 05:15, 29 August 2017 (EDT)

"Probe", as credited to Margaret Wander Bonanno

I've proposed a change to the author of this book, a copy of which you have verified, and request that you review my justification on the Community Portal. Chavey 04:28, 11 October 2017 (EDT)

Changing the Non-Genre flag

Hello, when you set the Non-Genre flag of a title to "Yes", please rememeber that this change must also be effectuated for ALL the variant titles. As they do not inherit this property from their parent (as is the case for the title series data), the flag must be set manually for each one lest they appear on our cleanup reports. Hauck 05:54, 28 January 2018 (EST)

Professor Zamorra, #173: Zombie-Fieber

Hello, I've put your submission that intended to change the Title Series on hold. What are you trying to achive? A grouping by year? Hauck 03:14, 8 March 2018 (EST)

Yes, exactly. All others issues of the magazine are grouped that way. TerokNor 03:18, 8 March 2018 (EST)
I supposed so. To do this, you just have to change the title at title level from "Professor Zamorra, #173: Zombie-Fieber" to "Professor Zamorra - 1981" (the way you've chosen would have created a new magazine called Professor Zamorra - 1981). Do you want to try? (note that this operation is cleraer when that are multiple issues under one title). Note that we also set the date to "1981" in such cases. Hauck 03:24, 8 March 2018 (EST)
Thanks, I tried that. Can I add another 1981 issue to the new grouping in a single step? Or must the EDITOR title be changed manually after the new MAGAZINE is created? And how about when I want to add a 1982 issue? Any way to create the proper 1982 EDITOR title in one step? TerokNor 03:43, 8 March 2018 (EST)
For the other 1981 issue, you'll have to create the issue then merge the obtained issue's title with the yearly one. For 1982 it's a two step procedure (create publication then change title). Hauck 07:25, 8 March 2018 (EST)


Hi, thanks for adding this series. But here is a list of the magazines that also has the days of publication. Would it be possible to use those (it would safe us some additional work of updating)? But thanks again, Christian Stonecreek 13:04, 16 March 2018 (EDT)

Yes, I'm aware of that site. I have however no idea how reliable the information is. I found another site that says the series started in November, not October, and that it went on until 1982. I have no way to tell what's right, so for now I wanted to just add the stories themselves. Hopefully, more research can be done to narrow down the exact dates, like how it is being done with Terra/PR through the ads etc. TerokNor 13:13, 16 March 2018 (EDT)
You're right! The first site doesn't take the two-weekly schedule in the beginning into account. Thanks for the note. Stonecreek 02:11, 17 March 2018 (EDT)

A request

You have verified three Edgar Rice Burroughs books A Princess of Mars, The Gods of Mars and The Warlord of Mars that are a complete surprise to someone who is cataloging all of the Ballantine and Del Rey editions of ERB. Would you be able to send an image (scan or photo) of the copyright pages for these books to either myself ( or to the author directly (JIMMIE GOODWIN <>). It would be much appreciated. ../Doug H 16:28, 27 March 2018 (EDT)

J. Gregory Keyes

Hello, I accepted your edit. When you have a proposal such as this one (the change of the cannonical name), instead of burying it in a moderator note, post on the Community Portal so people can chime in. I do agree that this one needs reversal so I posted the proposal and if there are no vigorous objections, I will get it reversed (it's not a 1 click change to say it mildly) :) Annie 23:22, 31 March 2018 (EDT)

Sturm über Tatooine

I just approved adding the stories in your verified. Feel free to look it over and submit any changes needed. Thanks! Annie 02:55, 3 June 2018 (EDT)

Changing data in verified pubs

Hi. I have put your various Orbit -> Orbit (US) submissions, and the one submission adding contents to Honor Among Thieves on hold. I don't have any issue with the accuracy of the changes, but when changing data in a primary-verified publication, you should notify the verifier first -- leave a message on the verifier's talk page -- and only make the changes if they agree (or do not respond in a reasonable amount of time). It is often just a formality, but the process does uncover different editions and opportunities for further changes. I will drop some notes, so just keep this in mind for the future. Thanks. --MartyD 08:29, 30 June 2018 (EDT)

Sorry about the delay. I've accepted all of these now, having done the best I could with the verifiers. --MartyD 19:24, 9 July 2018 (EDT)

Covers variants and merges

As a rule, we do not do blind variants and merges for coverart -- varianting/merging coverart records here one of the involved records does not have an image (no URL in the publication). I approved the two Star Wars ones as I was able to find the appropriate printing online but in the future, before requesting a merge/variant, either add the cover first or edit the notes of the publication to point to the correct cover or add a moderator note with links and an explanation. Thanks! Annie 16:57, 3 July 2018 (EDT)

Since I verified one of the publications without image, I didn't think it would be a problem. I should have made a note with the other one though. I'll keep it in mind. TerokNor 03:37, 4 July 2018 (EDT)
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