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The Spell of Seven

I had half a mind to add “Pyramid Science Fiction” as a series to this pub (see cover), since Pyramid Books appears to have a few more such series. What is your position in this matter ? Thanks. Linguist 11:36, 26 February 2014 (UTC).

I don't think that would be a good idea. It's just a general term for SF books published by Pyramid Books, nothing special. --Willem H. 20:31, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
OK, then. Let's call the whole thing off… ;-) Linguist 21:57, 2 March 2014 (UTC).

Best SF Stories of CDS

Just picked up a Canadian copy of [this] which is cropped a little differently and the latter part of a name is visible. The artist seems to be Armand Weston [...ston is visible on the base of the neck of the right-hand figure] and the similarity to a Koontz [cover] is striking. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:47, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Good enough for me. Thanks! --Willem H. 20:41, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Wonders of the Invisible World

For Wonders of the Invisible World, I changed the title of the closing essay from "...WisCon, 2004" to "...WisCon 28, 2004" (inserted the 28) per the essay's title page. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 21:14, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Noted. Thanks! --Willem H. 21:19, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

The Hour of the Dragon

I have added Howard's The Hour of the Dragon to the Conan (Berkley) publication series. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:48, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

and The People of the Black Circle. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:55, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
and the SFBC edition. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:57, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
and Red Nails. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:59, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Lancer/Ace/Sphere Conan Books

I will be adding Howard's Conan books published by Lancer, Ace or Sphere to a publication series. It looks like you've verified several of them. I'm just going to leave this one note rather than multiple posts on your talk page, unless you want a list of the individual titles affected. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:05, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

A question has been raised on my talk page about the creation of the Lancer/Ace/Sphere pub series. Please feel free to chime in there if you have any thoughts you'd like to share. Especially if you can shed any light on the numbering of the Sphere publications. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:14, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Added my opinion there. --Willem H. 20:03, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

"The Molecular Cafe", 'Wanderers and Travellers

In your verified edition of The Molecular Cafe, the story "Wanderers and Travellers" is credited to Boris and Arkady Strugatsky. In my edition of "Paths Into the Unknown"], it is credited only to Arkady. Could you verify that it really is credited to both authors in your book? For now, I've made our stories separate variants of the Russian original. Chavey 01:45, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Definitely credited to both brothers. The variants are correct i.m.o. Thanks! --Willem H. 20:10, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Connoisseur's SF

Part of [this] note may help re-date the record? --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:55, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

The Man Who Made Models

I've just acquired a shrink-wrapped copy of this publication directly from the publisher. Even though the current price is $60.00, my copy had an ISBN-barcoded sticker on the back with the price of $100.00. That's also the list price currently given in its Amazon listing. Did you copy have the same sticker? Mhhutchins 02:34, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Also, it looks unusual to have the author byline given in the title of the introduction. I would suggest that the actual title is "Eight Words from the Most Wonderful Writer in the World". What do you think? Mhhutchins 02:36, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

I got my copy from, and I assumed the sticker was from them too. The $60.00 price was already present in the ISFDB record, and matched the publisher's website so I added a note about this. I informed user GreatLands about this, but there was no response. Since yours came directly from the publisher, I think we should change the price and adapt the notes (The publisher is now offering unsigned copies for $45.00)
I had my doubts about the title of the introduction (and the afterword too). Both are in the database exactly as stated on the titlepage, but I wouldn't mind scratching the author bylines. Make any changes you think neccessary. Thanks, --Willem H. 10:25, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
Done. I'v added more notes and a cover image as well. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:42, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Seven Trips Through Time and Space

Hi. I have corrected the page number of the Introduction of your verified (1 to 3). Thanks. Linguist 09:32, 29 March 2014 (UTC).

Thanks. This was probably cloned from the 1969 printing that has the introduction on the first pages. --Willem H. 14:42, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Winds of Darkover

Does [this] printing have an ad in the back? There are currently two records for the same catalog #, one undated but it does note an ad by number. Thanks for checking! --~ Bill, Bluesman 04:21, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it has the same ad (#70A). One of the records should be deleted I think. --Willem H. 12:49, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Yours was verified first and is dated, and Rhschu is still active, up to you two to figure the best solution. --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:03, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
He may still be active, but he's not responding to messages. I moved my verification, dated the new record, deleted the original and notified Rschu. Thanks, --Willem H. 08:54, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
I wasn't aware of his non-responding status. Don't come across his edits very often. Not a good thing to have non-responders as PV1s ... thanks for taking care of this. --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:24, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Price for Bova's Star Watchman and Laumer's Envoy to New Worlds added

And I also added a note to your verified pub.s here and here. Christian Stonecreek 06:17, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

And also for Dreadful Sanctuary. In this case, Foundation #4 gives 1973 as year. Stonecreek 05:42, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

The Forgotten Planet

The cover art of this publication is by Robert E. Schulz, see this online gallery, which shows the original art. Could you perform the update? Thanks. I'll also notify the PV of this edition. Horzel 10:57, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I added the artist (without the "t") and a note. --Willem H. 18:30, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

A Choice of Gods

Does your [third printing] have a date code on the last page? Just entered a fifth printing with the [very] unlikely code of 8-73 [a month before the first printing]. I know Simak was very popular in the 70's but five printings before publication?? Thanks for checking! --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:01, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, mine has the same code. Could this be a printing code left over from the first US printing? --Willem H. 09:28, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Quite possible. The first Canadian printing doesn't have it. --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:26, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Lady of the Bees

Corrected a statement in [this] record as Hickman's peculiar 'signature' is on the artwork. The lightning-bolt S [period] emdash endash [period] is on the lower left wrapping slightly onto the spine. I think the emdash endash combo is Morse code for 'H'?? Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:41, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Good spot. Thanks! --Willem H. 09:29, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

"Shadow on the Hearth", by Judith Merril

The notes to your verified copy of the Compact SF edition of Shadow on the Hearth says "Cover artist is not credited. No visible signature." But my copy, which seems by all other data to be the same as your edition, states on the copyright page "Cover devised by Keith Roberts and Langdon Jones". Could you check whether your copy says the same, or whether there really are two different printings of this book with different copyright page information? In the meantime, I have added those two credits to the (formerly blank) cover artist credit. In addition, the book's publisher was listed as "Compact Books". That's an imprint of "Roberts & Vinter", so I have corrected the publisher listing to "Compact Books / Roberts & Vinter". Chavey 00:18, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

The good news is, that we both have the same edition. I have my doubts about the changes though. First, "devised by" looks more like "designed by" to me, and as far as I know we normally don't credit the designer. You should at least have added a note about how and where the cover was credited. Second, the publisher. All Compact books were in the database as "Compact Books", and now one is not. I.m.o. a discussion on the community portal/rules and standards before this change would have been better (should Compact be a publication series), since most Compact books are primary verified. --Willem H. 14:57, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
I changed "Compact Books / Roberts & Vinter" back to "Compact Books", although I still think that violates the ISFDB standards. I added a note on the crediting of the cover as "devised by". There appears not to be a formal policy for whether to credit the designer of a cover when no artist or photographer is noted, but it appears to have become a standard, as indicated by conversations such as: this one (2008), this one (2010), and some comments in this one (2009). This appears to have been a change of opinion beginning in 2008, since in my searching I found a couple of posts from 2007 (and one from 2008) that clearly were in favor of limiting that field to an artist of a drawn or painted cover, but I found no such opinions being expressed after 2008. Chavey 05:22, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Found cover art credit...

...for this record. This publisher re-uses cover art from the old science fiction magazines, so I was able to do a Google Image search to find the original publication. I've updated the record and added a note about the source. (Sorry, I should have notified you first. Please forgive the breech of etiquette.) Mhhutchins 16:24, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I don't mind changes to my verifications, as long as I'm informed about them. No harm done. --Willem H. 18:55, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Outsiders: Children of Wonder

I'm holding a submission to add the section introductory essays to this record. I see they're the same as given in your verified record. I questioned the submitting editor about the way the titles have been disambiguated, as it seems to me that disambiguation isn't necessary. The ISFDB standard is to disambiguate generic titles, which these are certainly not. Some editors have taken this standard further by disambiguating all introductions. I think that approach is neither stated nor implied in the standard. (I also told him he should have imported the titles to avoid needless merging.) Mhhutchins 19:59, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

No problem here. Can you approve the edit? I'll merge them and remove the disambiguation. Thanks, --Willem H. 20:10, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Submission approved. Thanks for doing the extra legwork. Mhhutchins 20:17, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
No problem. Done. --Willem H. 20:28, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Diary of a Spaceperson by Foss

Please join this discussion when you get a chance. Thanks. Mhhutchins 01:10, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

The Lights in the Sky Are Stars - Brown

The cover artist for The Lights in the Sky Are Stars is Mitchell Hooks (see here: 03:48, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I I added credit and a note. --Willem H. 18:24, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Flowers for Algernon

According to the 53rd printing, this rec was printed in May 1973. TAWeiss 01:37, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I updated the record and added the source to the notes. --Willem H. 13:01, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Found cover art credit

...for this record. The artist is Manfred Schneider, he signs his pictures with "MS" - though more "M" above "S": Nicely to be spotted in the black circle in at the centre bottom of the cover. Will make the change to the record. Cheers, John - JLochhas 19:09, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

You're absolutely right. I must have missed the signature. Thanks! --Willem H. 20:02, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Cover art credit for Helliconia Winter

I accepted a submission to add cover art credit to this record based on a visible artist's signature. Mhhutchins 00:14, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! --Willem H. 18:59, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Greatheart Silver: Collection vs. Novel

If there's a consensus among the verifiers, I'd like to change Greatheart Silver from a Collection to a Novel, per [suggestion]. Would you please respond affirmatively or negatively there? I am leaving this note for all verifiers. Thanks. --MartyD 16:08, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Responded there. --Willem H. 18:49, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

"Uncharted Territory" by Willis

A word-count of this work has shown that it is more than 42,000 words, which would qualify it as a NOVEL. I think the error may have occurred when someone saw that Wikipedia labeled it a "novella" which is pretty much what they call anything that is a short novel. Would there be any objection to my changing your verified record from CHAPTERBOOK to NOVEL? Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:36, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

I have no objections to this change. I see someone already changed Remake to novel without notifying anyone, I do object to that kind of change. --Willem H. 11:24, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
I can't swear that I didn't do it, but if I did, it must have been years ago, and I would have notified all the PV editors. I've not touched that one in years, probably when I primary verified both the Mark Ziesing first edition and the SFBC omnibus in 2007. It was nominated in the novel category for both Hugo and Nebula awards, but novella for the Locus. So someone may have updated it. I'll do a word count to make sure that it's a novel. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Mhhutchins 16:10, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
Just under 42K. So it is a novel. Mhhutchins 16:20, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

De onzichtbare vijand

Hi Willem, the cover art of this is the same as of The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch (MB 1971), so is also by Jack Faragasso. Horzel 14:59, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Added the credit & note. --Willem H. 20:31, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Het monster van Metelaze

This publication has also cover art by Jack Faragasso, see this online gallery. ISFDB as yet has no record for the Belmont 1968 edition of Death On A Warm Wind. Horzel 15:07, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Looks like there was no 1968 Belmont edition, but a 1974 Unibook with this cover. To be continued. --Willem H. 20:33, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

The Liberated Future

I'm holding a submission which wants to update this record and change the page field for "Encased in Ancient Rind" from 63 to 53. Does this match your copy of the book? Mhhutchins 02:39, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

The submission is correct. The story actually starts on page 53. Thanks for informing me. --Willem H. 04:19, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Worlds for (the) Grabbing

Hello, can you have a look at your copy to see if the title is _Worlds for Grabbing_ (as entered) or _Worlds for the Grabbing_ (as per scan and review in Foundation) ? Thanks. Hauck 09:28, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

I must have verified this with my eyes closed. Corrected now. Thanks! --Willem H. 18:19, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

City of Truth

Added a couple of notes [artist credits] to [this]. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:37, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Nice, thanks! --Willem H. 19:50, 1 June 2014 (UTC)


I don't think the 1986 and 1987 editions of "Yurth Burden" have covers by Gaughan; it seems a copy-paste mistake from the first two ones. The style is clearly that of Vicente Segrelles (see the dome, the stone faces), although of course I've to find sources for this. Thanks. User:Attilios

You are right, good find. I found proof in this pub. Gaughan is credited on the copyright page though. Corrected and added note for my edition, I also informed Don Erikson. Thanks! --Willem H. 08:41, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

"Shot in the Dark", ed. by Judith Merril

Since the primary verifier for this book is no longer active, you're the verifier of record for this. I made a clone of this book for my 2nd printing of the book, and in checking it I found two minor errors. The first is a misspelling of Stephen Vincent Benét's last name as Benèt at the title page; the second is an error in the page number for "Who Is Charles Avison?", which I corrected in my record from 235 to 236. I suspect both of these errors apply to the first printing as well. You might wish to check this and correct at least that page number. It's unclear whether the misspelling is worth noting, but I did in the 2nd printing. Chavey 18:29, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Both errors are in my copy too. One corrected, and I copied your note about Benèt. Thanks! --Willem H. 20:35, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

A Canticle for Liebowitz

Found a decent scan for [this] on AbeBooks. Seller had images of front and back covers so it's definitely a Weidenfeld edition. Has the same artwork as the US edition, which is credited/signed by Glaser. Added the artist credit as well. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:23, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Nice scan. And thanks for the artist! --Willem H. 07:17, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Garan the Eternal

Most records for [this] title have the contents as a novel with two short stories. Some just note the novel. The first printing [notes] explain it the best. Shouldn't this be an omnibus?? Several verifiers are no longer active, but between you, me and Don, most of the editions are covered [especially Don]. Thoughts? --~ Bill, Bluesman 04:07, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Interesting case. First, I don't think this would fit in our definition of omnibus (the help screen gives Robert Heinlein's "The Past Through Tomorrow" as an example of a collection). Even more interesting is the first edition, that has the novel as two pieces of short fiction (contents probably from Contento1). This corresponds with the cryptic description on the copyright page of my copy. In short, I would keep it as a collection and add notes on title level. --Willem H. 18:41, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Btw, I think we should add the two stories to the non-verified DAW editions, and change those to collection as well. --Willem H. 18:44, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Agreed on the last part. Thing is, if the 'novel' is really a collection itself, should there even be a record of a novel?? --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:07, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
I like the notes you added to the collection title. The (fix-up?) novel is presented as a novel, i.m.h.o. the novel record is in the right place. I wonder what Don thinks about this. --Willem H. 18:26, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 ??¿¿?? There are no notes for the Collection title ..... perhaps you're referring to the record notes for the first US edition? They read like Bill Longley ... not mine. --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:46, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Yes there are. See here. I thought they were yours. :) --Willem H. 14:02, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Snoozing at this end ... but not my notes. cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:46, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

The Treasure of Tranicos

I've expanded the notes of Howard and De Camp's The Treasure of Tranicos. I'd also like to suggest one further edit. We currently have the title of the publication as "Conan: The Treasure of Tranicos" and it does appear that way on the spine and front cover. However the copyright page and more importantly the title page list the title as simply "The Treasure of Tranicos". None of the secondary sources include the "Conan" prefix for the title and I'd like to recommend that we drop it as well. Let me know what you think, and I'll direct the other active verifier here as well. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 20:26, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

I totally agree. The prefix should be dropped. --Willem H. 20:33, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
I agree.Don Erikson 20:54, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
Done. I also too the liberty of making the same change to the other printings including the 4th which Don has also verified. Thanks for the speedy response. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:09, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Knight's In Search of Wonder

I added a content item for the interior illustrations in Knight's In Search of Wonder. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:55, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

I hadn't even noticed the illustrations. I added a note about the credit. Thanks! --Willem H. 13:56, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

The Asylum Prophecies

According to SFE3, this work "comes close to sf through its depiction of a mentally ill girl who may know how to foil the next great early twenty-first-century terrorist attack, and who may actually be able to talk with her dead sister." I would think that might make it a spec-fic novel. What do you think? Mhhutchins 16:58, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

It's presented as "A psychological thriller" about a disturbed young woman with multiple personalities. The sister is not very clear to me (i it really het sister or just another personality. I can live with spec-fic though, I'll make the changes. Thanks! --Willem H. 19:27, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Time's Last Gift

Hello. After adding a note and uploading a new cover scan to your verified, I wondered whether the art credit, which is at the present time “Darrell K. Sweet”, shouldn't be changed to “Darrell Sweet”, as this is the way it appears on the copyright page. Thanks for your opinion about this. Linguist 09:02, 20 June 2014 (UTC).

You are right. Corrected now. Thanks! --Willem H. 19:54, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks ! I have answered on Ahasuerus' page. Linguist 21:17, 20 June 2014 (UTC).


Is the month for [this] record a typo? I just picked up a tenth printing but it has the month as November. Thanks for checking. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:59, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Sharp as always. Corrected now. Thanks! --Willem H. 20:01, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Well, when I'm not sharp I just fake it ..... ;-)) --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:41, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

The Planet of the Robot Slaves

Replaced the Amazon image and corrected to artist credit for [this]. Somehow Harry Harrison was credited?? Expanded the notes, there was just one about the interior sketches. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:16, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Strange. Credit in my own database was correct. Thanks! --Willem H. 20:04, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Edward Valigursky

Please see this discussion regarding covers by Edward Valigursky. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:49, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Responded there. --Willem H. 14:14, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Swords Against Death

Dated [this] from the seventh printing's copyright page [noted]. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:56, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! --Willem H. 14:13, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Venus Plus X

Changed one line of the notes for [this]. Previously it was "Cover artist not credited" but the credit is there on the back cover. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:03, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Wonder how I missed that. :( Thanks! --Willem H. 19:25, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Twilight Eyes by Koontz

Can you confirm that the title page author credit given in this publication doesn't match the cover credit? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 22:19, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

The title page also omits the "R.". Corrected now. Thanks! --Willem H. 08:57, 29 June 2014 (UTC)


Can you confirm that the story by Gary Jennings on page 125 of this book is credited to "Garry Jennings"? If so, please make "Garry" into a pseudonym. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:47, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Gary it is. Probably a slip of the keyboard. Corrected now. Thanks! --Willem H. 09:10, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

No Place Like Earth

Just picked up a copy of [this], with copyright page intact, so added the month and publishing statement. Also replaced the image as this copy has an uncreased cover. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:15, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Nice scan. Thanks! --Willem H. 20:28, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Heroes and Horrors

Hi Willem, the cover artist for this publication is Michael Whelan, see the author's site here. Horzel 21:25, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I added the credit and the source, and notified Ahasuerus and Bluesman. --Willem H. 14:12, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Worlds of Eclos

The cover art for [this] has a stolen part [the green bugs were used on the US [Ace] edition credited to Emshwiller, but in mirror-image and minus one bug]. The two background faces look familiar ... an old Badger cover? or covers? Any ideas? And, do you think the portion from the Ace cover merits a credit to Emshwiller? I'll post this on Hervé's and Don's pages, as well. --~ Bill, Bluesman 05:08, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

IMHO the bugs were redrawn (and simplified as is the case for some european copies), the full credit to Emsh could be perhaps misleading so the notes are enough for me. Hauck 06:27, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
I don't recognize these two background faces. But similar background faces were a recurring theme on many SF covers for WDL (World Distributors), Consul and Five Star. One of those covers, for Ring Around The Sun (WDL 1960) has the signature of Edgar Hodges, who would go on to illustrate Thomas the Tank and Star Trek Annuals, amongst others. Horzel 12:49, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Looks familiar, especially the male face. Kelly Freas did a lot of these faces for Laser books, but none match. I think Herve is right about the bugs. They look redrawn from the Emsh version. --Willem H. 14:02, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
After overlaying the 2 sets of bugs in Photoshop they are definitely repainted. Many parts don't match, somethings are different sizes and the outlines don't match in many places.Don Erikson 17:02, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
I didn't enhance the bugs so missed the re-draw, in which case the notes are more than enough. --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:02, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Carter's Golden Cities, Far

Please see this discussion and offer an opinion if you'd care to. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:35, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Too late to join the discussion. Your solution is ok with me. Thanks! --Willem H. 14:24, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Chris Foss

Your 2 Kroner's worth?? [Foss] At least I hope that's the currency of the Netherlands??? I know it's Euros, but how boring ..... ;-)) --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:51, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Never had Kroners here. Guilders and before that Florins. But luckily they didn't take away the cents. Added my 2 on Hauck's page. Thanks, --Willem H. 14:06, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

The Molecular Cafe

Re this publication: Can you confirm that the editor is stated as "Anonymous" or is the book simply uncredited? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 04:12, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Uncredited of course. Corrected now. Thanks! --Willem H. 18:12, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

The Forest of Forever

I'm in the process of varianting/merging the INTERIORART records from The Norwescon 8 Program Book, and the caption for The Minotaur and the Dryad's Children claims to be from this edition of The Forest of Forever for which you are a Primary Verifier. Since it doesn't match the COVERART, I'm assuming it is one of the INTERIORART illustrations.

In this case I could variant it to the generic INTERIORART record, but there is a pub note which indicates that there are 6 pieces of INTERIORART that are subsumed under that record, and while (to be honest) it doesn't much matter to me, I'm thinking to do it properly I should variant it to the specific illustration rather than to the group as a whole.

So if you have a chance, could you identify which of the illustrations from this Ace edition depicts the minotaur on its knees hugging a small child while a little girl in a dress looks on? I am also leaving this note on Mhhutchins' talk page since he is the other primary verifier. Thanks, Albinoflea 04:49, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Mhhutchins was able to track this down as the one on page 129, so it should be taken care of. Thanks, Albinoflea 05:18, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
That's the one. Nice catch. --Willem H. 14:22, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

More Soviet Science Fiction

Can you confirm that the editor of this publication is credited as "Anonymous" or is it simply not credited and should be entered as "uncredited"? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 17:56, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Again uncredited and corrected. Thanks! --Willem H. 18:32, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Nights Black Agents

Since you have the Powers book, can you take a look at [this] submission? Thanks --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:33, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

The Powers index does list this book. There should be initials (GA?) on the cover. On my copy there's hardly anything visible (could just as well be "Po"). How is your copy? --Willem H. 20:26, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Half of the 'G', a tad more of the 'A'. How are these initials Powers'? --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:24, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
No, they're not. The 'A' could bo Power's 'O', but the 'P' could never be a 'G'. I think that makes the submission a good one, maybe with an extra remark about the initials. --Willem H. 19:14, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Wouldn't that make the submission 'not' a good one? The initials clearly aren't Powers', the style doesn't seem to be his but he did some things quite differently from the usual, for sure. The only other GA I can think of is Gino d'Achilles, but this predates him by quite a bit. --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:39, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
The submission doesn't add Powers as artist, only states the presence of the pub in Jane Frank's book. I would rearrange the words a bit, and the submitter should have informed us, but I think it's a good submission. --Willem H. 20:45, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
In that sense, yes. I thought you meant to enter Powers as the artist. Since you 'would re-arrange', go ahead! Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:33, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
I approved the edit and shuffeled the note. Result is here. I will also warn him about editing pv'd pubs and notify the other verifiers. Cheers! --Willem H. 19:45, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

The Men in the Jungle cover art

Hello. This site credits Victor Prezio for the cover art of The Men in the Jungle. What do you think of it ? Linguist 08:26, 21 July 2014 (UTC).

See discussion here. Linguist 09:36, 21 July 2014 (UTC).
I had never heard of Prezio, but it looks right. Thanks! --Willem H. 19:21, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

The Texas-Israeli War: 1999 question

You've verified a 3rd printing of The Texas-Israeli War: 1999 [1] with an August 1982 date. I have a Canadian printing with this date. The question is your copy a Canadian or US printing? The listing doesn't mention which.Don Erikson 05:24, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

My copy states 'Manufactured in the Unites States of America'. I copied this to the notes. --Willem H. 10:50, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanx. I cloned it and added the Canadian version.Don Erikson 17:25, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

The Square Root of Man

Hi, I have found the cover artist for your verified copy of The Square Root of Man. It is Stephen Miller, look here.--Dirk P Broer 15:17, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Space on My Hands

Hello. I've got two remarks to make about this pub :

  • I can't find any indication of price (25c) on the book, but only an indirect allusion to it under the lists of hard-to-get books at the end. Shouldn't this (or some other source) be mentioned in the notes ?
  • Copyright page has : “Bantam Edition Published January, 1953" / “1st Printing.........December, 1952”. This makes me think it is the same pub (second printing) as this unverified one, where an editor has entered in the notes : “"2nd printing ....... January 1953" noted in printing history on copyright page of 3rd printing [May '80]”.

Thanks for your views on the matter. Linguist 10:31, 31 July 2014 (UTC).

Also replaced Bookscans image with a new cover scan. Linguist 10:47, 31 July 2014 (UTC).

Responding here since Willem H. is the earliest primary verifier and we probably want a single conversation.
  • The price is in Tuck and there is a Tuck verification. I don't know if there is a policy that every piece of data must be noted as to source when the verification is already there. However, it is frequently done and I have no objection if it is added to the notes.
  • You may be right about the two publication records being the same publication. However, the notes from the 1980 publication certainly make it sound like there were two printings in January of 1953. Tuck does not mention a 1952 Bantam printing. Actually, I suspect there was only one publication printed in December and sold with a January date, but that is entirely supposition on my part. In any case, we could expand the notes to state the publication history in the book.
  • I'm holding the replacement of the cover. In this case the Bookscans cover appears to be in better condition than the new scan which appears to have a fold mark across the lower right corner. I'd prefer that we keep the cleaner copy.
As I said, I'm fine with additions to the notes. I'll hold the cover replacement until others have had a chance to chime in. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:28, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
OK, no problem. Thanks. Linguist 12:57, 31 July 2014 (UTC).
I have uploaded a better cover scan (not mine, though). Would that do ? Linguist 08:22, 1 August 2014 (UTC).

God Emperor of Dune

Added exact date to [this] from a publisher's Review slip. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:46, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! --Willem H. 13:34, 15 August 2014 (UTC)


Added exact publication date [from Review slip] to [this]. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:31, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! --Willem H. 13:34, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

The Man Who Counts

Exact date of publication, from Review slip, added to [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:42, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! --Willem H. 13:34, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

The Long Way Home

Exact publication date, from Review slip, added to [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:46, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! --Willem H. 13:34, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

A Far Sunset

Exact publication date, from Review slip, added to [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:41, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! --Willem H. 13:34, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Becoming Alien

The cover art of this paperback edition is not by Doug Beekman, even though the cover art of the hardcover edition is, but by Maren, see Maren's site, click on 'galeria' and then 'ilustraciones'. Maren is a brother of Manuel Sanjulian. Could you perform the update? Thanks! Horzel 20:47, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I think you're right, but asked the other verifiers first. Thanks, --Willem H. 13:47, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
No objections, change made. --Willem H. 06:21, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Sentinels of Space ?

Hi, my copy of your verified 2nd Ace edition has "Sentinels from Space" on spine and title page, and page headers too, so that should be the title, not "Sentinels of Space", that's only on the front cover. (I'm pretty sure the same goes for first edition Ace Double D-44). Thanks. Horzel 20:58, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Right on both counts. I made the neccesary changes and informed the other verifiers. Thanks! --Willem H. 09:21, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

The Worlds of George O.

Hello, I've added the article for this pub as per title page. Hauck 17:07, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! --Willem H. 19:14, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Flandry of Terra

Changed the title of one story in [this] from 'A Plague of Masters' to 'The Plague of Masters', matching the title page. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:29, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I did the same for my other edition. --Willem H. 19:25, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Dandelion Wine

Just picked up a copy of [this], same printing. In the back are two ads, both with date codes 6/74 which would fit quite well with the price and the fact that a later Bantam edition notes "25 printings through 1975". Think that's enough of a source for a date? Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:54, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Sounds good enough for me. Thanks! --Willem H. 20:57, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Nebula Winners Fifteen

The cover artist for this publication is Bruce Pennington, according to Pennington: A Portrait of a Master Fantasy Artist. Horzel 16:13, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! --Willem H. 08:14, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

The World Below

Hello, I've added the Foreword to your verified copy, note that my copy is cropped differently than yours and part of Callé's signature is barely visible. Hauck 14:12, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Looks like I missed the foreword when verifying. Thanks! --Willem H. 08:20, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Wyndham's Outward Urge

Please see this discussion regarding the crediting of the stories in this copy of Wyndham's The Outward Urge which several of us have verified. I've also noted that both you and Bill are verifiers of this other copy, which has the same issue. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:41, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

I apologize, but Bill deleted my original post. I have re-hosted the discussion on my own talk page. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 04:18, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Responded on your talkpage. --Willem H. 08:24, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

The Road to Science Fiction: From Gilgamesh to Wells

Re the content titles in this record: Please join in this discussion when you get a chance. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:08, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Responded there. --Willem H. 09:11, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Forty Signs of Rain artwork

I'm about to perform some edits to the artwork credits of Forty Signs of Rain; both of the UK versions are credited to Dominic Harman in ISFDB, but a pub note makes it seem that this is based on conjecture.

The US version is credited jointly to Dominic Forbes and Tom Hallman. I've written to both Dominic Forbes and Tom Hallman and believe I can assert proper credits now: Dominic Forbes did the original design but Tom Hallman added the Washington DC skyline to the US version, so Forbes should be credited with the UK artwork.

I'm not sure who among the various editors and verifiers made the initial attribution to Dominic Harman, but I'm leaving notes on all of the talk pages and the Moderator Noticeboard (due to an inactive participant). Please feel free to weigh in. Thanks, Albinoflea 05:23, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Responded on the moderator noticeboard. --Willem H. 09:31, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Endangered Species

Altered the note about the artist slightly as Elson's initials are on the spine portion of the artwork [bottom] for [this]. The copy I picked up is a little sun-tanned but the initials are still quite clear. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:33, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. Very clear on my copy. --Willem H. 19:11, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Worms of the Earth

I added notes to Worms of the Earth, but I also have a question on the story fragment on page 149. It is currently entered as Untitled fragment ("A grey sky arched over..."), but the title page has it titled as Fragment. I would think this should be entered as Fragment ("A grey sky arched over...") which would then be varianted to Untitled fragment ("A grey sky arched over...")? Or is there a ISFDB convention to do it the existing way? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 15:43, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

There was a discussion about this piece, and the Howard poem titled "Fragment" five years ago here. The changes were made during the night (my time). I don't think it's smart to change one of the 19 publications with this title. You might want to start a discussion on the rules and standards page. --Willem H. 18:24, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
That discussion is about whether the pub content is a poem or a story. It doesn't mention changing the title to not match the publication. Anyhow, I've added an additional note to the publication reflecting how it's titled in the pub. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 12:01, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Eternal Light

I changed one of the pub notes in this pub record that you verified: Previously the notes stated "Cover design is credited on the copyright page." In my copy of the book the credit is on the back cover, so I took the liberty to change the note accordingly. Please let me know if this does not match your book. Thanks, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 22:47, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

You're absolutely right. Thanks! --Willem H. 08:27, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Cowley's puzzles

Hello, are you sure that this illustration is credited to Burns ? It looks more like McKie to me ( like here]. Hauck 14:11, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

It's credited to Burns, but the Dutch translation credits it to Angus McKie. You're right about the style, I changed the credit and added a note. Thanks! --Willem H. 14:39, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Second Stage Lensmen/Lensman

Based on a discussion with Don Erickson earlier today, it would appear that the Pyramid Books edition of Second Stage Lensmen used "Lensman" rather than "Lensmen" in the title. Could you please check your verified 9th printing to confirm? TIA! Ahasuerus 23:00, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

It's "Lensman" on the cover, but "Lensmen" on the titlepage. I added a note. Thanks! --Willem H. 18:58, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for checking! I'll ask Don if his books have the same peculiarity. Ahasuerus 19:09, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Night Lamp

Replaced the Amazon image for this pub that you verified with an ISFDB cover scan. I also added some pub notes. Cheers, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 12:37, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, but this message should have been on the "changes" page. :) --Willem H. 14:45, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Perry Rhodan credits

Hello, Willem! I have got hold of some early issues of the series (mainly to determine the dates of publication for other Moewig and Heyne pub. series) and it seems that there usually is no credit for an editor (see here). However, there is the occasional exception (see here). My plan is to generally set the issues as edited by the famous 'uncredited', but to give the full editorial board for the titles, as they are credited at Perrypedia and other sources. Would you like this idea and could you take a look at your verified issues (for example this) if there is any credit for an editor? Please think it over and thanks for doing so. Christian Stonecreek 16:56, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

An afterthought: Are there possibly ads announcing simultaneous publication (or a 'Soeben erschienen'/'just published') in those issues? Stonecreek 17:02, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

I only verified two of the early issues (#17 and #129). #17 has an ad for Terra-Sonderband 49 (Achtung! Heute kaufen!). #129 has an ad for Die Überlebenden, as Heyne-Taschenbuch Nr.272 (Soeben erschienen). Hope that helps.
No editor credits in those two issues. If you want to make these changes, be my guest. When I started entering them, I just took the credit from Perrypedia, and added Schelwokat after discussig this with you. The general rule of course is to enter credits as stated in the publication, so your solution is better. --Willem H. 19:44, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
Well, I did just the same thing, relying on the credit for the 'Exposé-Autoren' that was stated from the mid-Seventies to the early Eighties. I just didn't take a close look at the copyright section with its tiny print size. It was John Lochhas who directed my attention towards for reasons of dating the issues correctly (see the last three or four discussion items here): it seems Perrypedia has faulty dates for the issues from 1973 to somewhen in the-middle-to-end-of-the-Seventies (and so have we, but I'm in the process of correcting them).
Thanks very much for the information on the ads: the picture is getting more and more complete! Christian Stonecreek 08:08, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Welkom op Aarde

Hi Willem, the cover art for this is the same as for Asimov's Science Fiction, August 2005, so the cover artist must be Chesley Bonestell. Could you perform the update? Thanks. Horzel 09:40, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Nice work. Thanks & done. --Willem H. 19:20, 23 September 2014 (UTC)


Cover artist for this Meulenhoffje is Mati Klarwein, see, image 16 of 135. Thanks. Horzel 11:57, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Changed. --Willem H. 19:43, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Pearls from Peoria

Re this publication: the titles being reviewed in the three pieces on pages 646 - 651 didn't get linked to the titles because they're using the wrong format. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:07, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for this! The links should be ok now. --Willem H. 18:59, 25 September 2014 (UTC)


Hi, your suspected cover artist for Emphyrio indeed turns out to be Paul Lehr: compare it with this cover.--Dirk P Broer 08:22, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Good find. Thanks! Also added credit to the paperback edition. --Willem H. 08:45, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Emshwiller: Infinity X 2

This publication record appears on the cleanup report which finds pub records whose author credits don't match their title record. By adding Ed Emshwiller in the author field, the pub doesn't match its title record. Also, if you feel that Ed deserves an author credit, why isn't Carol also credited as an author? Although I don't have a copy of the work, it appears to be a biography by Luiz and not a collection of Emshwiller's artwork (regardless of the number of his pieces which are used to illustrate the work.) If this were truly an "artbook" then I'd understand crediting both Luiz and Emshwiller, using the standards we apply to artbooks. But then Eisenstein would have to be co-credited as an author for his captions. In any case, the author fields of the pub record and its title record should match in order to clear it from the cleanup report. I'll leave that to the primary verifiers. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:18, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

I must have been really tired when I added Ed Emshwiller. The title record is corrected now. I do consider this to be an artbook, comparable with Jane Frank's book on Richard Powers. The title page has Luis Ortiz as the only author of the book, and further has 'Introduction by Carol Emshwiller' and 'Foreword and artwork captions by art consultant Alex Eisenstein'. I.m.h.o. that's not enough to credit either as co-author. --Willem H. 20:09, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Virgin of Zesh & Tower of Zanid

Since [this] contains a novel, do you think it should be an omnibus instead of a collection? --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:13, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

I think you're right. It's certainly not a collection. If Don agrees one of us can change it. --Willem H. 19:55, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
He does, and I did! --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:54, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Philip Jose Farmer's Tarzan Alive

I was going to verify the existing publication but wasn't sure it was the same. Can you check if your verified version is printed in Canada? My copy has "Popular Library - Toronto" under the crest on the title page and "Printed in Canada" on the copyright page. This would presumably change the price to C$0.95. Don Erikson has also verified. Thank you. Doug 13:34, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

My copy has 'Popular Library • New York' on the titlepage and 'printed in the United States of America' on the copyright page. I added this to the notes. You have the Canadian edition, so you can clone the US edition. --Willem H. 19:45, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
An mine says printed in the US so your is a different edition.Don Erikson 20:58, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

SOLD. Doug 00:29, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

The Classic Philip José Farmer, 1964-1973

Re this pub that you verified: Could you please join this discussion? Thanks, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 21:59, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Responded there. --Willem H. 14:08, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Virtual Unrealities - The Short Fiction of Alfred Bester

I am turning to you for this discussion because you are the only other active editor who has verified a publication of Bester's "Virtual Unrealities" - here is your pub record of the 2nd printing. I have a 10th printing for which the submission is still in the queue.

Based on the book I have in hand, I would like to propose that we change the canonical title of the work, i.e. of the title record, to use a colon instead of a dash, because this is the ISFDB standard for recording subtitles. To make this explicit: The title record should use "Virtual Unrealities: The Short Fiction of Alfred Bester", and not "Virtual Unrealities - The Short Fiction of Alfred Bester". What do you think? If you agree to this change, then your 2nd printing and also the 1st printing verified by inactive editor Thomas conneely should be changed to use the new canonical title.

While cloning your pub record, I also noticed these things:

  • Your 2nd printing has "ix - xii" in the page field for the introduction, probably inherited from the 1st printing by cloning. Shouldn't this be changed to "ix"?
  • The Canadian price on your 2nd printing is C$19.50. Is this a typo? I am asking because my 10th printing has a lower Canadian price C$18.95.
  • Finally, you might be interested to use this cover scan for your pub record.

Cheers, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 22:59, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Right on all counts except the Canadian price, that's exactly as stated. I made all the suggested changes. Thanks! --Willem H. 11:55, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

...And Some Were Human

Hello, the cover artist of this pub is Ralph Brillhart, according to auction site Richard Powers is already credited, with maybe less credibility (he usually signed his work). But at least a note? What do you think? Horzel 20:05, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Style could be from both artists. Jane Frank does credit Powers, but there are other mistakes in her book on Powers. I'll draw the other active verifiers here. --Willem H. 14:45, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
After looking at many covers and the info from the auction house in my opinion it is Brillhart.Don Erikson 19:21, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
They both did covers for Ballantine in the same time frame. I am not so sure that the auction house is any more credible than Jane Frank. Perhaps someone could contact the owner of the Powers Compendium?--swfritter 21:59, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Manna from Heaven

Could you have a look [here]? Thanks --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:23, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Responded there. --Willem H. 20:53, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Who Speaks of Conquest?

The cover of this pub is a re-use of the lower half of the cover of Colonists of Space, with the tiny signature in the same place, so the cover artist must be Adams. Thanks. (By the way, it's a bit misleading to have 'Adams' as a pseudonym for 'Norman Adams'. I don't think any of the UK covers is by Norman Adams.) Horzel 10:34, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Credit and notes added. About Norman Adams, I can't find any proof either way. If you feel strongly about it, this might be something for the verification request page. Thanks! --Willem H. 19:13, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

The Twisted Men / One of Our Asteroids is Missing

Willem: I've been doing some clean-up on the Emshwiller page and I found that the notes to The Twisted Men/One of Our Asteroids is Missing credit Jack Gaughan and Ed Valigursky, why is Ed Emshwiller credited as doing the cover? MLB 00:35, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Bill fixed it. --Willem H. 10:00, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Dutch translation of "The Hyborian Age"

This is typed as ESSAY, while the original English is typed as SHORTFICTION. Can you confirm whether they are the same work and if the types should match? Thanks. Mhhutchins 07:01, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

I guess I assumed Bob wold change this after this question and my answer. Corrected now. Thanks, --Willem H. 09:47, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Roger Zelazny Knight of Shadows

I would like to 'dispute' a Canadian price on a copy of the publication you have verified. Please see this discussion to help establish a consensus. Thank you. Doug 00:23, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

My comments are there. --Willem H. 19:37, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

The Second Book of Virgil Finlay

I would like to enter the contents of The Second Book of Virgil Finlay, a pub you verified, provided you agree. I have finished the first book and someone else has entered the contents of the third book. I intend to enter content for most Finlay art books. Bob 00:08, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Please proceed. Feel free to add contents to any of my art verifications, and drop me a note when you do. I would do it myself, but it takes horrific mounts of time. Thanks! --Willem H. 09:53, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

The Book of Virgil Finlay

I finished the contents for the third printing of this pub. You may want to import it to the first printing you verified. Bob 22:45, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Done. I'll check the titles later. One thing though, your edition has the de la Ree essay "Finlay Remembered" twice, on page 4 and 5. I think one should be removed, and the two title records merged. Thanks! --Willem 21:31, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Tim White's Chiaroscuro

There are a couple dozen or so content titles in this art book which are dated after the publication date of the book itself. It looks like you were interrupted in the middle of varianting these to the original cover art records and got waylaid by something more important. :) Just thought you'd like to know. Mhhutchins 20:47, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

I remember I cloned this edition. The work was done either by Ofearna or BarDenis. I'll put it on my things to do list. Thanks, --Willem 21:35, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Een Maanreis of Opstijging tot en Bereizing van de Maan

If this publication doesn't contain an abridged translation it would seem that it and the associated title rather publishes the NOVEL instead of a NOVELLA, judging by the page count and other publications. Could you take a look into this? Thanks, Christian Stonecreek 19:04, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Afterthought: even if it is abridged, I think it should be typed as NOVEL. (Per ISFDB policy to avoid unusual variants). Christian Stonecreek 09:22, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
The chapterbook/shortfiction was based on a rough word count. At the time I entered the Dutch translation there was no record yet for the original. I have no problems with a change though, already done. Thanks, --Willem 19:39, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
Well, there has been some previous mix-up. What are OMNIBUSes now were almost exclusively NOVELs before, with the exceptions of those volumes containing SHORTFICTION. The two parts were published separately first and are indeed published so time and time again. Thanks, Christian Stonecreek 05:23, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

New Cleanup report for Dutch authors

Just a quick note to let you know that you may find one or more of these new cleanup reports relevant:) Ahasuerus 05:37, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Commented there. --Willem 20:03, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Introductions: Shortstory vs. Essay

Usually, the introduction to a book is an essay, but some of the books that you have verified list their introduction as a fictional short story. Could you check these and, if they really are short stories, add a title note to the Introduction record noting something like "Fictional introduction"? And of course if they actually are essays, then correct them? Works that fit under this question are:

Great Space Battles
Spacecraft 2000 to 2100 AD, presumably the same status as Ruimteschepen van 2000 tot 2100
Spacewreck: Ghostships and Derelicts of Space
Berserker Death

Thanks, Chavey 14:01, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Hauk verified that four of them, in translation, were fictional introductions, so I've added notes to that effect in their title recs, and crossed them off the list above. Presumably what was true about the translation is also true of the original. Chavey 18:52, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Hervé is right. The introduction in Sanctuary is a variant of Introduction (Thieves' World), also fictional and already has the note. Thanks! --Willem 19:19, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
"Sanctuary" appears to have three different intro's: the one from Thieves' World; one from Tales from the Vulgar Unicorn; and one from Shadows of Sanctuary. I'm guessing that all three of them are "fictional introductions"? Chavey 20:00, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
That teaches me not to respond too fast. Yes on both counts, notes added. Thanks, --Willem 21:16, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks much! It's beginning to look like only a very few of them were entered as "shortfiction" by accident. Chavey 22:18, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Satellite City

FYI, a new editor has changed the catalog ID of Mack Reynolds' Satellite City to a derived ISBN. After checking my copy, I accepted the submission and added/clarified Notes. Ahasuerus 22:09, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Noticed. Thanks, --Willem 18:58, 30 November 2014 (UTC)


Came across [this] as I just acquired a copy. It had a £3.90 sticker over the original £2.60 but is still the original printing. This seems to happen a lot with UK publishers in the 70s/80s, at least with hardcovers. Gollancz will/has sold very old stock with just a new price sticker often. They don't seem to 'do' a 'second impression' until they sell ALL the first one! lol Just picked up one that the original price was £3.40 and it had a £8.95 Gollancz sticker!! Your call to delete the record or not. --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:44, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

The copy I have is the same one you do, but do you really think Morley is a publication series?? Seems more the imprint with Elmfield as the publisher. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:48, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
I deleted the "reprint" and added a note to the original.
I.m.h.o. Morley is a publication series. The book states "A Morley book published 1973 by The Elmfield Press", not "Published by Morley, an imprint of The Elmfield Press". Cheers! --Willem 13:26, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
That's getting pretty picky ... :-)))))) --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:00, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

The Alpha Trap

Have a second printing of [this] which gives the month of the first printing. Added that, plus appropriate note. --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:01, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! --Willem 21:00, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

"The Mageborn Traitor", by Melanie Rawn

In adding a verification to your verified publication, I noticed that the UE number you had down for this DAW pub was not the same as was listed on my book. This was listed as "UE 2403", but my book -- which appears to be otherwise identical to yours -- was "UE 2731". My guess is that this was an error somewhere, and I corrected it to the number on my book. But if I'm wrong, and there are actually two different "First paperback printings" published in March 1998, please let me know and I'll revert and disambiguate. Chavey 15:50, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Shame on me. I must have copied something from the notes of Sunrunner's Fire, the true owner of #UE2403. Thanks for the correction! --Willem 19:29, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Discworld: Pyramids

I have a copy of your verified pub Pyramids. While there is no signature on the front cover, I see "(c) DKS" on the back cover image, lower left. Do you object if I update your note, or would you prefer to do this yourself? DStandsh 16:58, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

No objections, please update the notes. Thanks for finding this! --Willem 19:18, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Bok, Hannes vs Hannes Bok

Hi Willem, I would like to change the credit for Bok, Hannes in this publication to Hannes Bok.--Dirk P Broer 12:07, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

That's the power of a home database. Sorry, already changed before I saw your submission. Effect is the same. Thanks for noticing this! --Willem 13:11, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

The Waste Lands: Disambiguation of "Argument" content item

Please check out this discussion. You are affected because of this pub that you verified, i.e. you may also want the disambiguated title to say "Argument (The Dark Tower III: The Waste Lands)". Thanks, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 17:16, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Added my opinion on Marty's page. Thanks, --Willem 19:40, 20 December 2014 (UTC)


I was about to transient-verify Disaster but ran into an issue. You verified a date of 1990-04-00 and "1st printing by numberline." in the notes. I can't figure out the source of the date. Amazon has June 1987 but I've seen Bridge Publications use the wrong dates, particularly when issuing a reprint. Something that points toward 1990-04-00 as being accurate is a postcard between pages 272/273 that's copyright 1990. The advertising is not dated. However, the bottom ad on the last page is for Writers of the Future volumes 1 to 5. Volume 5 was published in April 1989 and volume 6 was published in May 1990. I uploaded the copyright page of the copy I have says

Mission Earth, Vol. 8: Disaster L. Ron Hubbard (Bridge 0-88404-289-8, Apr ’90, $4.95, 363pp, pb, cover by Gerry Grace) [Mission Earth] Reprint (Bridge 1987) sf novel in the “Mission Earth” dekalogy.

Should I update the publication record to say that the source of the publication date is Locus? --Marc Kupper|talk 05:48, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. Please proceed, I'll add the same note to the rest of the series. Thanks! --Willem 10:24, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Wizard and Glass: Fixed probable typo

I submitted a change that, when accepted, will fix the title of one of the content items in this pub that you verified. The new title is "Argument (Wizard and Glass)". The previous title was "Arguement (Wizard and Glass)", probably a typo that crept in when the data was entered. Let me know if this doesn't match your book. Cheers, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 18:04, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

It's "Arguement" on both contents and titlepage. I'll have to change it back. Is the title in your edition "Argument"? Then I will make that a variant. --Willem 19:11, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Oops, sorry for being too quick about this. But yes, indeed, in my edition the title is correctly spelled "Argument" in all three places where it appears. I can do the varianting so you don't have work to do on my account, just let me know which one should be the canonical title: A) "Argument", or B) "Arguement"? Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 01:03, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
No problem. I think the earliest publication becomes canonical, unless it's an obvious misspelling. Since we're the only verifiers that included the "argu(e)ment" I made yours into the variant (can be reversed if necessary). Unfortunately we can't ask any of the verifiers of the first edition since they're both inactive. Please check if you can agree. Thanks, --Willem 07:04, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
If misspelling plays a role then I would have made Arguement into the variant because that is the misspelled title. But I really have no strong opinion about this, the main thing is that both titles are in the database. If you're happy with the state at the moment, then I am happy, too :-) Cheers, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 11:13, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
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