User talk:WolfgangRieger

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Your author update

Sorry to say, but I rejected your update, since it would clog the author page if we would add every wikipedia page for all available languages (and since it is quite easy to reach your desired language once you are at Wikipedia). I hope you understand. But thanks for contributing! Stonecreek 00:55, 4 April 2018 (EDT)

Ok, but then you should mention that under Template:AuthorFields:WebPage. Greetings --WolfgangRieger 06:40, 4 April 2018 (EDT)

Die Flusswelt der Zeit

Hello, I've put your submission on hold, as these are PVed publications. So please discuss these title changes with the primary verifier first, who does seems to take a look at matters on a regular basis. Thanks, Stonecreek 03:13, 6 June 2018 (EDT)

Just take a look at the covers. WolfgangRieger 03:15, 6 June 2018 (EDT)

I did, but in the end they are possibly irrelevant, as we assign titles per the title page(s). Stonecreek 13:37, 6 June 2018 (EDT)

As you may know, the German spelling changed, and the titles of later editions were adapted. Of course, it is also totally possible, that the title on the cover was changed, while the title on the title page was not. WolfgangRieger 02:17, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

It is possible that the verifier just cloned an existing publication and the title was in fact changed on the title page as well, but that has to be clarified by asking. Stonecreek 02:43, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

ok. --WolfgangRieger 09:53, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

Carl T. Ford

When we have a situation like Carl T. Ford/Carl Ford, we do not merge the authors - instead we set them as alternative names. We record the names "as written" (except for some formatting around dots and so on), so these are two different names. But we do connect them. I did that here. Let me know if you have any questions or if I can assist further. Annie 13:41, 25 October 2018 (EDT)

Well, it is the desired effect. I looked for "merging" and overlooked "Make/Remove Alternate Name". Thanks. --WolfgangRieger 14:15, 25 October 2018 (EDT)

Zerfall

I found Your verified publication Zerfall and added the cover image. And there is a question about the artist. We have Olof Feindt and Van Vindt separate in the database. Can You please find out in which way the artist is credited in the book? Thank You. --Zapp 01:50, 7 September 2019 (EDT)

On the copyright page it reads: "Umschlagbild: Olof Feindt (Van Vindt), Hamburg". Greetings --WolfgangRieger 12:28, 7 September 2019 (EDT)

Thank You. I guess You should put this under "note" and give the artist's name only Olof Feindt, because the pseudonym is to see here and otherways the person is twice in isfdb. --Zapp 13:45, 9 September 2019 (EDT)

Done. --WolfgangRieger 16:01, 9 September 2019 (EDT)

Redundant entries

Hi, can you please stop entering both a -working- external DNB link, plus entering the non-working url for a DNB link in the note field? The latter is not needed and only creates maintenance reports.--Dirk P Broer 11:44, 5 December 2019 (EST)

The other links you place at publication level -and that don't link either because of the way you enter them in the note field- are better off in the Web-Page field of the title, the upper part of a new entry, the 'Title data' part.--Dirk P Broer 12:13, 5 December 2019 (EST)

Under "source/Other website, later printing/edition or another source" it says "please explain in Publication Note". So I enter the corresponding URL there (e.g. http://d-nb.info/1136033351 – and this URL works, at least for me). Of course I can omit this, but the instructions for the source field could indeed be clearer. --WolfgangRieger 12:29, 5 December 2019 (EST)

We may differ as to what 'working link' means for us. I find a working link has to be blue, underlined text that transfers you to the linked page immediately. The way you entered the url's would make them flat black text that has to be copy-pasted into another browser tab -at least in Chrome, what I use.--Dirk P Broer 08:33, 6 December 2019 (EST)

Well, yes. For me "working" is any URL that does get a 200 response. --WolfgangRieger 03:57, 7 December 2019 (EST)

The way you entered the url's in the note field wouldn't give any response -in Chrome, what I use. It is just flat text.--Dirk P Broer 07:05, 9 December 2019 (EST)

If this is the DNB record for this specific edition of the book, then you put "Data from DNB" (no link, just call the source, the link will be built by the external ID) in the notes and the number goes into the External ID. If it is from a different edition, instead of a direct link, use the DNB template ({{DNB|1136033351}} (as described here). This is not different from how we work with any of the sources that we have external IDs for :) Annie 13:05, 5 December 2019 (EST)

Ok. --WolfgangRieger 14:17, 5 December 2019 (EST)

Bert Stranger

Hello Wolfgang,

Can you clarify your notation here: here? As it is not a trivial pseudonym, a proper note on the source is always welcome and I am not even sure where to start looking based on your note. Thanks in advance. Annie 16:34, 20 April 2020 (EDT)

Hello to both of you,

I finally found my copy of the Weigand book, and the pseudonymous relation is stated within (Mescalero, Stranger, and Scott are pseudonyms of legally named Peters). I was in doubt because I considered B. S. to be a pseudonym for a different author. Christian Stonecreek 00:34, 21 April 2020 (EDT)

Thanks for the clarification. :) Now the notation makes a bit more sense. Update approved.

Wolfgang, would you like to try to create the variants or do you want me to? Thanks Annie 00:58, 21 April 2020 (EDT)

If you could do that … In the first place, "Jeff Mescalero" should be made an alternate name (because it is only one of the pseudonyms used by Peters, and not the most prominent one, see also the German Wikipedia article or Peters’ DNB entry), and I don't know how to do this. Greetings --WolfgangRieger 10:22, 21 April 2020 (EDT)

I did the variant.

For the canonical name - the way we determine what the canonical name will be is to look at who has the most entries here in the DB (and in the genre as a whole if we are in the process of filling in the missing ones - the most used pseudonym overall or the what the real name is are kinda irrelevant - it is the genre that matters). As of now, Jeff Mescalero is the prominent one here. So we leave that as a canonical, add the legal name (as we had done already) and just watch it for developments. Once another one becomes more prominent, it is a multi step process to switch. Sometimes (often), the actual author name is either a pseudonym here (if they used the name for at least one publication) or not an author entry at all.

I would not mind switching to another one of the names but... which one? And are you planning to add more publications soon to make it the most prominent here (and in the genre)? Annie 11:57, 21 April 2020 (EDT)

Sorry, but my main job is the German Wikipedia and I'm quite busy there. In the books listed there, Staff Caine is used more often with SF. However, he wrote a lot more as John Curtis for a pirate series. In general, we use the legal name if there is not a pseudonym, by which the author is definitely better known. --WolfgangRieger 18:05, 21 April 2020 (EDT)

Yes, Wikipedia uses the legal name as the main name for their articles in such cases. But this is not Wikipedia :) ISFDB determines the canonical name differently - as I explained above - it is based on the titles in genre. The pirates stories, unless they are in space or have other speculative elements, are irrelevant - they are not eligible for inclusion here and the pseudonym he used for them is irrelevant for the name here. Staff Caine / Mescalero have close numbers at the moment; I am putting this on my watch list so if Caine gains more stories/books or another pseudonym becomes used more, I will change the canonical. It is not a trivial change - there will be ~100 edits (if not more) so we do not switch the canonical name until it is clear that this is where it is pointing. Hope that this makes sense. Annie 18:29, 21 April 2020 (EDT)

And yes - if he was very popular under one of the names, we would have used that. Authors with multiple almost equally known pseudonyms go by the numbers (or close to them). Let me look at some more things around that specific set of author names and see if Caine won't make more sense as the canonical long term. Annie 18:35, 21 April 2020 (EDT)

Ah, IC. In this case, I think it's not worthwhile to change the pseudo. Thank you + best greetings --WolfgangRieger 07:51, 22 April 2020 (EDT)

Sturm über Tatooine

Regarding this submission: This publication record is for the second printing. The DNB date appears to be for the first printing (Ausgabe Dt. Erstveröff.)? If so, we would leave this record as is and clone a new dated record for the first printing. However, I can only go by Google Translate so looking for your thoughts. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:54, 25 July 2020 (EDT)

"Dt. Erstveröff." = "deutsche Erstveröffentlichung" = "first german publication", i.e. first publication of this edition. Printing is not stated in the DNB record. Cloning a new entry would be ok, of course. Greetings --WolfgangRieger 10:36, 26 July 2020 (EDT)

Okay, thanks. Cloned the first printing instead. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:35, 26 July 2020 (EDT)

La guerre des astronefs

Hi Wolfgang, I rejected your submission to change the author of La guerre des astronefs from "Cogewell" to "Cogswell". As stated by the primary verifier in the note of Galaxie (1ère série), #17 April 1955, the author's name is misspelled like that on the publication's title page, and that's how we record author names. See the "Author" subsection in the "Regular titles" section in the help for a new publication: "The name should be entered exactly as it actually appeared in the publication." Jens Hitspacebar 15:04, 23 August 2020 (EDT)