User talk:Titi

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Welcome!

Hello, Titi, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

Note: Image uploading isn't entirely automated. You're uploading the files to the wiki which will then have to be linked to the database by editing the publication record.

Please be careful in editing publications that have been primary verified by other editors. See Help:How to verify data#Making changes to verified pubs. But if you have a copy of an unverified publication, verifying it can be quite helpful. See Help:How to verify data for detailed information.

I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the community portal, or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! Stonecreek 13:39, 13 November 2018 (EST)

Le sang des astres

Hello Titi, and welcome to our bunch! Do you feel up to the task of not only changing the author(s)'s name in the publication but also unmerging and re-merging it (because for us it's a different title, that is nevertheless already established - does that make sense)?

I do not think I can. Can you explain ?

Forget the part about unmerging: as there is only one record with both authors you can edit the publication directly: please be sure to enter the joined alternate name in both sections: the publication record at the top and the content section below that. In a second step (after that's accepted, it is possible to merge the then two existing titles by 'N. Ch. Henneberg' via the 'Check for Duplicate Titles' function on the left tool bar for this author.

I tried this.

Thanks, approved. Now you can go for the merging of the titles. (And don't forget to sign your posts here with four tildes: '~'. Stonecreek 11:44, 14 November 2018 (EST)

It say "No duplicate candidates found", I did wrong ? Titi 11:53, 14 November 2018 (EST)

No, the fault was on my side, because the tricky part was that the two titles still were different, as one was by Nathalie Ch. Henneberg and the other one by N. Ch. Henneberg. Shows how tricky ISFDB (or a correct bibliography) can be, doesn't it? I have made the necessary changes. Thanks for finding this! Stonecreek 13:23, 14 November 2018 (EST)

Thank you. The bibliography of Hennebergs is very complex. There is much talk about who truly wrote the texts.Titi 13:30, 14 November 2018 (EST)

Yeah, this happens quite often with author teams; it's similar, for example, for Henry Kuttner & C. L. Moore. Stonecreek 13:35, 14 November 2018 (EST)

Regarding Les filles de la nuit: as it seems that the alternate name is also stated with the other publication of the collection, it is possible to change the title entries, you just have to do it one by one on the title level. Stonecreek 10:02, 14 November 2018 (EST)

This I can try.

There is a problem with text "La fontaine de Joyeuse". In the book "Histoires fantastiques d'aujourd'hui" author is written "Jean-Louis Bouquet" change to "Jean Louis Bouquet" would not be correct. Also for texts in magazine "Fiction".

Ah, I see. Okay, then I'll try do it. Stonecreek 11:26, 14 November 2018 (EST)

"Attaching" translations to originals

Hi, and welcome. I saw your question about attaching texts in a note to the moderator. The ISFDB term for that is "variant". In a variant relationship, the "parent" is the original title, and the "child" is the translation. To attach, you go to the translation title record, and you will find a "Make This Title a Variant" under Editing Tools at the left. This gives you two ways to establish the relationship. If the original already exists, you can find its record number and use that in the top section (you can give the whole URL with the number at the end if you want to). If the original does not exist, or if you're dealing with something like an alternate name, you can fill out the appropriate details in the bottom section. Using that bottom section will create a new parent record. If that new parent record does duplicate an existing record, it is still possible to find and merge the duplicates.

Give it a try and see if you can figure it out. Making a variant relationship is moderated, so you cannot do any harm by trying it -- a moderator will review and can help you with the details. --MartyD 06:39, 15 November 2018 (EST)

Thanks, tried this, a yellow message on screnn "Length mismatch" ? Titi 07:26, 15 November 2018 (EST)
In this case that meant that the English story had its length set to "short story" but the French one did not. So the system is telling you that you need to do one more update - to add the length to the French version. I did that for you here after I approved the variant. For short fiction we follow the Hugo/Nebula rules for lengths. Annie 12:47, 15 November 2018 (EST)
We do not measure length of texts here. Titi 12:53, 15 November 2018 (EST)
I know :) But in this DB we do, even in languages that usually do not. The fun in building international DB :) Annie 13:02, 15 November 2018 (EST)

Recording a translator

We have a special way to record translators in notes. Instead of writing "Translated by XYZ", we use a Wiki-like template: {{tr|XYZ}}. That ends up rendered as "Translated by XYZ". I made that change to the translator information you provided in L'histoire tragique des comédiens du Jiril. I will do the same to any other similar submissions in the queue that I process, so just something to keep in mind for the future. Thanks. --MartyD 06:43, 15 November 2018 (EST)

Taken note. Titi 07:20, 15 November 2018 (EST).

If you supply a new publication, please do provide some basic information in the publication's note, if known: Information on the edition (First? First French? or New edition?), the printing rank, the source for the date of publication and the source for the cover art. And also in the title's note information on the translator (if it's not an original), as stated above. If a title is exactly the same as an existing one, it's best to use the 'Clone This Pub' or the 'Add Publication to This Title' tools: this way the newly generated title(s) doesn't have to be merged in another step. Thanks, Stonecreek 15:34, 16 November 2018 (EST)
Taken note. Habitually no printing rank on french books (perhaps on some Bragelonne and Livre de Poche). Data is from physical copy of book (reason of "verification" process ?).Titi 13:20, 17 November 2018 (EST)

Le tour d'écrou

Hello,

Can you check who is the translator of this book? We have another copy of that text (here (translation by M. Le Corbeiller) and if the translator is the same, they need merging. If the translators are different, then we add will just add a note so that it is clear that they should not be merged. Thanks! Annie 12:04, 15 November 2018 (EST)

Same for this story - we have another copy, do the translators match? Thanks! Annie 12:06, 15 November 2018 (EST)
Same translators in the two cases. How to merge texts ? Titi 12:36, 15 November 2018 (EST)
Go on the title level ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2466717 for example). Look at the left menu and locate the "Check for Duplicate Titles" link. Click on it. Should be self-explanatory from there. :) That will not work if the titles are slightly different (in such cases you need to go through the Advanced Search or via the author page). But in this case, as they are real duplicates, that is the easiest way. Let me know if I can assist further. Annie 12:44, 15 November 2018 (EST)
Tried this. Titi 12:52, 15 November 2018 (EST)
Approved. :) Annie 13:03, 15 November 2018 (EST)
Thanks, taken note. Titi 13:05, 15 November 2018 (EST)

Bob Morane Notes

I'm holding a number of publication edits where you are adding notes similar to 'Bob Morane "Type 2", cartouche "Type 7"'. Two issues with these:

  • In many cases, the existing notes are formatted as HTML lists and you are adding your note below the list. This is not correct as it breaks the formatting. If you are adding notes to a pub with an HRML list, you should be entering this part of the list by starting the line with <li> before the </ul>.
  • What do these notes mean? If I was to guess, they refer to the cover image? Can you please explain?

Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 12:58, 18 November 2018 (EST)

I am not familiar with HTML, taken note. Will do next. Want me to retype ?
It is de-facto standard codification for Bob Morane publications, see http://www.bobmorane.be/types.htm Titi 13:38, 18 November 2018 (EST)
Is it really for the publications, or is it for the titles (analogous for example to the different Doctor Whos)? In the least, the notes are absolutely puzzling for anybody who is not familiar with the character, and would need some more explaining. Stonecreek 13:54, 18 November 2018 (EST)
It is for publication see example http://www.bobmorane.be/romans/35.html . Notation is clear to any collector of Bob Morane. Titi 13:58, 18 November 2018 (EST)
Well, more than 99 percent of the users of ISFBD are not collectors of this series and unfamiliar with the details. We strive to have as easily understandable informations as possible for everyone. Stonecreek 14:03, 18 November 2018 (EST)
I moved the following from the next section to here, where it seems to be more appropriate. Stonecreek 14:32, 18 November 2018 (EST)
This displacement is disloyal, my objection is to "when it quite clear that this is at least the first edition (and likely the first printing, also.)" that you write posing like a Bob Morane specialist.Titi 14:43, 18 November 2018 (EST)
Sorry, but you've put your comment under the heading of the next comment section 'Secondary Source Notes', when it clearly belonged to this, the Bob Morane section. I just moved it here to have it in context. The case for the first edition was obvious because the title year 1963 was the same of the connected publication. Stonecreek 15:55, 18 November 2018 (EST)
je suis désolé, je ne savais pas que vous étiez un spécialiste des Bob Morane. Cela fait juste plus de 40 ans que je les collectionne et j'ai appris à éviter soigneusement d'émettre des affirmations concernant les rangs d'édition. Si vous êtes sûr de vous, pas de problèmes, vous pouvez modifier mes notes.
I'm sorry, I did not know you were a Bob Morane specialist. It's been more than 40 years since I collected them and I learned to carefully avoid making statements about the ranks of publishing. If you are sure of yourself, no problem, you can change my notes.Titi 14:09, 18 November 2018 (EST)
You misunderstood me: I know next to nothing of Bob Morane, for a long time I even thought he originated in comics. But me (and others, I think) like to learn more about many aspects of our beloved genre(s), so it's better to give at least a rough help for those unfamiliar with a series. Stonecreek 14:31, 18 November 2018 (EST)

Secondary Source Notes

When primary verifying a pub, it means you have verified the pub record against the actual pub. In such cases, any secondary sources should be limited to the data not in the pub. So for a case like La guerre des baleines, when you primary verified it, you should edit the "Data retrieved from BnF, WorldCat and nooSFere" statement. If all the data is from the pub, it should be deleted. If some of the data is not in the pub (for example date), then it should be edited to say which specific data is from which secondary source (ex. Date from BnF). Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:02, 18 November 2018 (EST)

Taken note.Titi 13:30, 18 November 2018 (EST)
I've put your submission on hold to change "La guerre des baleines". You propose to drop also the "First edition, first printing" information, when it quite clear that this is at least the first edition (and likely the first printing, also.) I have rejected some submissions that intended also to drop some vital information, we'd like to keep (see the rejection notes). Stonecreek 14:00, 18 November 2018 (EST)

Rejected edit

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4052378 is rejected because "At least the cover artist & translation informations should stay", cover artist is from the BOOK (i verified) and I thinked that the translator data is at title level (such update I proposed also). If the goal is to disgust newbies, great. Titi 14:47, 18 November 2018 (EST)

As stated in an above section: we prefer to have the source for the cover artist (if it's from the book, the artist's website, or another outside source), and we don't have anything against repeating the information on the translator in the publication. Stonecreek 15:59, 18 November 2018 (EST)

Bon vent

You allow yourself change my talk page to your advantage, this is very bad ways and very impolite. I do not like the spirit and if my input is not wanted and you prefer source data from Spectrum than from verified copy of book, no problem. Bonne continuation. Titi 15:01, 18 November 2018 (EST)

Sorry, but you've put your comment under the heading of the comment section 'Secondary Source Notes', when it clearly belonged to the Bob Morane section. I just moved it there to have it in context. Stonecreek 15:55, 18 November 2018 (EST)
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