User talk:OoLingoO
The Rivan Codex
In this record you gave the URL of the image's wiki page. It should be the URL of the file. Also, please check the spelling of the afterword. Is it "Afterward"? One last thing: you say in the notes that is was illustrated by Geoff Taylor. Is that for just the cover art or did he do any interior illustrations? If the latter, you should create a content record (using INTERIORART type). Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:34, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
- It is spelt "Afterward" in the book, yeah, I did a double-take when I was actually entering that in as well. In regards to the illustrations, I'm still working on that. I know that he did some of the interior art, I'm still working on whom did the various maps illustrated within the book as well, which is why I haven't entered anything for those yet either. I needed to restart my pc and didn't want to lose any of the edits I'd already done, so I submitted it as is. I'll fix up the wiki image at the same time. Thanks for the feedback. ^_^ --Ling 07:17, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
- I have submitted the edit for this publication. It was a little complicated to me, so I've done the best I can with what I know. Any help with finding a source/resource to find the author/illustrator of the maps would be extremely helpful to me, I don't like all of the "uncredited" fields. =( --Ling 08:56, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
- Even if you have a secondary source for the credit, you have to record the information exactly as it appears in the publication. If the maps are not credited, you have no choice but to enter the record's author/artist as "uncredited". Afterward (the proper use of the word) you can make a variant record if you have a reliable secondary source. Also, if you see that a title, as published, is misspelled, please write a note in the Note field of the title record (not the pub record) that the title is correctly entered so that later users won't be bugging you to see if you misspelled it. Thanks. Mhhutchins
- One other thing: you don't have to create a record for each map, especially if they're not credited. Just one record titled "The Rivan Codex (maps)" is sufficient. Why do some of the maps have bracketed page numbers? If the pages don't have printed numbers you can interpolate them by counting forward or backward from a page that is numbered. Mhhutchins 14:08, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
- The same situation with the pagination in this record and this one. Mhhutchins 14:24, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
- I also see you're adding uncredited "About the Author" pieces. Are these of exceptional quality or substantial length? Mhhutchins 14:26, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for adding the note to the title for me. Much appreciated, wasn't sure if I should add that in the notes of the publication or not. I didn't know you could add notes to a specific title, I only know about the merge so far. In regards to the map page numbers "[##] Any page for which a number is derived by counting, possibly from a previously or subsequently numbered page, but the page carries no actual page number, should be listed in [brackets]." from here. Thanks for the guidance with the maps, I'll be sure to do that next time. ^_^ I've been adding the "About the Author" pieces (they're about half to a full page) as per the afore-mentioned help guide and then merging them. --Ling 14:31, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for bringing that help section to my attention. It doesn't make clear that this method should only be used for unnumbered pages that fall before the first numbered page or after the last numbered page. If a work is printed on an unnumbered page facing, for example, page 26, it should be entered as "27". That applies to any kind of work. Quite often book designers will omit page numbers for a titled page (with story title or chapter number/name) if they've chosen to number the pages at the top. (And if the page is an illustration, most of the time the page is not numbered.) Take a look at any book in your collection that prints the page at the top and you'll see this. Sometimes they'll move the number to the bottom, but often don't number the page at all. In these cases it wouldn't make sense to bracket the numbers. I'll bring this up on the Rules and Standards page and see about having the help page changed. Mhhutchins 15:13, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Enchanters' End Game
Please check the record type for "The Isle of the Winds" (page 406) in this record. Also, why do the maps have different dates? Were some of them used in earlier books? This is one of the reasons why creating separate records for each map can be a headache, and why most editors choose to create one record for all of them. Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:34, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
- I've submitted an edit for "The Isle of the Winds" that was just me, sorry. In regards to the maps - yeah, I was highly confused. I had to keep referring to this help item and even then I was and am still confused. The maps have different dates because I followed the dates that were a part of the illustrator's signature. --Ling 18:12, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
- We don't date records by the date of creation, but by the date of it's first publication. A story can be written years before it's published. Art pieces could be the same. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:28, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
- Okie dokie. ^_^ --Ling 19:05, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
fep
Sorry to be nit-picking, but "fep" means the page on the back side of the front cover of a magazine ("front end paper"). This page is usually not numbered so if anything substantial is printed there (rarely), then enter "fep" in the page field of the content record. I've never seen it used in book publications (though I've no doubt that it has been). What is the location of the contents you've given this page designation to? Mhhutchins 18:34, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
- I took this phrase "fep -- front end paper, or inside front cover of a magazine" from here to mean the end most piece of paper from the front of the book (the page opposite the inside of the front cover). I read that phrase over and over and still got it wrong, LoLz. --Ling 19:04, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
- Well, now I see you're changing "fep" to "bp", and again, that term is usually reserved for magazines. I think sometimes we (I'm including myself here) get lost in the minutiae of details and lose sight of the Big Picture. Unimportant data, like uncredited "About the Authors" blurbs, that are printed on the inside back covers of books, only add to the clutter when displayed in a publication record, in my humble yet informed opinion. I'm going to accept any changes you make in these records, because in the Long Run (and the Big Picture) they're not that important. Mhhutchins 19:24, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
- BTW, "bp" stands for "before pagination" and "bep" means "before the end page" and are used in magazines in which the covers are not included in the pagination. I wish the help section made that more clear. Mhhutchins 19:27, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
- So lost. Should I change the page number? Or is it better if I remove the title from the publication altogether?? --Ling 19:30, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Conflicting submissions
I'll have to do a hard reject (a manual reject because the system can't resolve a conflict in the submission) for the update of Castle of Wizardry. I'm not sure why the system couldn't display the submission, but it may have something to do with a previous submission in which you merged the interiorart records for "The Kingdoms of the West and the Angaraks (map)". When the system merges records, it discards all of them except for the one that was retained when you merged them. Any submission that subsequently involves a record which has been deleted from the database can't be accepted. In fact, the moderator can't even see the full display of the submission in order to reject it. In cases like this, make sure that one submission is accepted before you make another one that would have been affected by the previous submission. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:43, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
- Okie dokie. ^_^ --Ling 18:54, 19 May 2012 (UTC)