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Welcome!

Hello, JLochhas/Archive 01, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the community portal, or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! -DES Talk 21:20, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Adding artist credits to verified pubs

You added a note to The Comet Kings, stating that the cover artist was Herbert J. Bruck . You did not indicate your source for this info. How do you know? Is there a credit in your copy, or is a signature visible, or do you know the artist's style, or do you have a secondary source? It would be helpful if you added a further note giving your source.

Also, it is helpful if you sign these kinds of notes with your ISFDB user ID and the month and year, for future reference of who was able to provide particular information. I have done so for you in this case.

Also, this particular publication has been "verified" by User:Don Erikson. Our local convention is that when adding non-trivial data to a verified publication, we leave a note on the verifier's talk page, in this case User talk:Don Erikson. I have done that for you in this case as well, so this is for future reference. (When changing information on a verified pub, the custom is to ask the verifier first, and wait a reasonable time, say up to a week, for a response)

I hope this is helpful to you. Welcome to the ISFDB. 21:35, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

The same comments apply to:

-DES Talk 21:49, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Artists' references

Johnny Bruck (Herbert J. Bruck , 22 March 1921 to 6 October 1995) did thousands of scifi covers for German publishers since the mid 1950s right up to his very last day. A large set of his works can be found here: http://www.perrypedia.proc.org/index.php/Johnny_Bruck. His style is very distinctive, although he was influenced by many artists of his time, Ed Valigursky, Ed Emshwiller, Frank Frazetta, and Chris Foss, just to name a few. I'll add the source reference in a note with the resp. books. -User:JLochhas 11:46, 30 May 2009 (UTC) For Bruce Pennington I'd have several references:

For Les Edwards there are two extensive sources:

-User:JLochhas 12:06, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Workbook (items to be removed once the resp. notes are updated:

-JLochhas 17:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, now they are all confimed... Thanks for the support. -JLochhas 14:33, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Caviar

Can you tell me where you get the cover-credit for Les Edwards from? I can't see any sign of a signature or credit. BLongley 12:06, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Similar question for New Worlds 7. BLongley 14:36, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Same for Jizzle. BLongley 21:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Same for The Small Assassin, The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress, Pirates of the Asteroids, Revolt in 2100, Overlay, The Interpreter, The Silkie, and A Sea of Space.
OK, all these updated with notes except for "Revolt in 2100" and "The Interpreter". Sorry about the mix-up on The Small Assassin, I'd forgotten I've got two editions. BLongley 18:27, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
"The Interpreter" also confirmed from Science Fiction Monthly January 1974. BLongley 20:30, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to the wiki

I'm glad you found the wiki, and thank you for indicating the sources you are using to identify cover artists. -DES Talk 13:53, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Latest Edits

Thanks for the latest Josh Kirby credits, accepted with slight clarification as to what the source was being used for. Have you found the source for "Revolt in 2100" yet? I'm being pushed to help clear the approval queue. BLongley 21:24, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

As of today only the following "indicators":

--JLochhas 09:55, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

D'oh! Finally found a credit on the book itself. (In very small print.) BLongley 08:06, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Author Images

Before you submit too many, be aware that we need permission to link to images on other sites. Do you have permission to use images on http://perry-rhodan.net/ ? Or is there a general permission already expressed on the site? (I'm afraid I don't read German.) BLongley 08:39, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

See ISFDB:Image linking permissions for details and a sample note asking for permisison. -DES Talk 12:54, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
I have the submissions on hold pending your response on the permission issue. -DES Talk 13:37, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
I don't read German but babelfish does. I didn't see an explicit permission on the website, but the moderators should be familiar with the concept as they have a text and image linking page where they record permission they receive. (Though it appears they mainly copy text not pictures form other sites). Kevin 14:16, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
I find at http://perry-rhodan.net/information/faq/faq3.html#3 a statement that babelfish translates as "I want to use pictures of your homepage also for my. May I do that? / No, that would be a break of copyright. We arranged however a collection of pictures, which you may use. You find our downloadrange here." I am not clear if this applies to the author images, and it refers to downloading and reusing, not to hot-linking. But it suggests some caution. -DES Talk 14:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
I've submitted a request to the publisher and expect a response over the next couple of days.-JLochhas 14:26, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. -DES Talk 13:59, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
There having been no response in more than two months, I am going to approve these, then copy the images and upload them to our wiki with a fair use justification. I hope you ahve no objections. -DES Talk 21:11, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Edits approved, images copied, author pages set to use copies on our wiki. Issue dealt with, i trust. -DES Talk 23:05, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

E. C. Tubb submissions

Hello, great that you are back! It seems that things have changed in the meantime. We now variant other language editions (titles) to the original version, so I have to reject your submissions. Please enter them as New Novels and then variant (analog to the existing French variant of The Winds of Gath). Thanks for submitting, Stonecreek 14:31, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for the fuss. I approved, unmerged and than varianted on myself (didn't thought at first of this possibility)! Sorry again, Stonecreek 14:40, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi Stonecreek, thanks for your help - and Patience ;) JLochhas 15:02, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Re: Projekt Ming-Vase: Thanks for adding these two editions. However, I'll refine the data a bit. We handle translations as variants (so the german titles will have to be varianted to their respective parent titles) but in someway also as new, because the translation does alter the text in a major way. I think that the Goldmann edition was the first publication of the translations by Nichau, so I'll set the title dates for the shortfictions to 1968 (see here and here for another translation of a collection and one of its content titles). I'll also merge the titles for the two collections, because it is basically the same title. One way to avoid the doubled entry is to use the 'Clone This Pub' feature from the left tool bar (and then to remove the surplus titles in a second step). But please keep them coming! Stonecreek 19:30, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Publication Month and Day

Hi John, I've just accepted your new entries of the publication series E. C. Tubb-Taschenbuch. Some of the new pubs have the month and the day of the publication. I wonder where did you get this information? Rudam 16:00, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Moewig officially published its pocket books together with other dime novels / Groschenromane such as Perry Rhodan on Tuesdays - at least betweeen July 1973 and around 2000. I had a Job in a sales Point back in the mid 1980s and that's how I come to know. Cheers.. JLochhas 16:06, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
That's what I remember from a customer's point of view, but since remembrance can sometimes be faulty, I hesitated to enter exact days; but I think a doubled memory is quite secure. Stonecreek 16:35, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
to be quite precise: although the official publication was on Tuesdays a set of stores sold the material the preceding Friday - and there were some that even had the books a week in advance... JLochhas 16:37, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Well, we try to enter the official date of publication, regardless if there's a time-lag of a few days to the actual date of distribution. Most paperbacks (and many other publications) are distributed in the month preceding their official month of publication, but we try to capture the latter. But I'd think the Tuesdays were the official dates of publication. Stonecreek 17:54, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
If the publication date isn't stated in the book itself, please provide the source for the date in record's Note field. Thanks. Mhhutchins 07:11, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

File size limits

This file was originally uploaded at 183 kb. The ISFDB standards ask that you not upload a file larger than 150 kb (you should have got a warning at the time of the upload). Exceptions can be made for images that are wraparound cover art. I downloaded the file and reduced its resolution by 2%, saving 40 kb in size, without any perceptible loss in image quality. Please keep this limit in mind for future file uploads. Thanks for contributing. Mhhutchins 07:09, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Lesson learned. Thanks. JLochhas 11:05, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Hüter der Vergangenheit by E. C. Tubb

You mistakenly updated a previously verified record for the August 1985 printing with completely new data to create a May 1976 printing. I assume you meant to create a new record and not remove all of the previous data. So to avoid your having to enter all of the data again for the 1976 printing, I cloned the original record to create a new one for the 1985 printing. Then I accepted the submission which overrode the original record's data. You'll have to now go back and do a primary verification of the new record for the 1985 printing. (Verifications do not transfer when a record is cloned.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 09:28, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. By some ill fate I managed to insert two identical entries one and two - and instead of deleting the second I wanted to use it for the 1976 imprint of the same novel. And now we have three of them... ;) I'll remove your kind add-on and then we should link the 1976 edition to Eye of the Zodiac. Cheers.JLochhas 11:02, 3 ebruary 2014 (UTC)
The title records of both printings should be merged into one. That's how they were when I left them last night. Something happened in the meantime. I'll re-merge them. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:44, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Can you confirm my information that the two publications contain different translations? If so, we would handle them as different titles because they constitute different texts (see the german editions of Slan here and here for an example). In this case you could use the Unmerge button (left tool bar on the title level) and then variant the new title (best to unmerge the later one) to the original English.
There also seems to be a misdating by one week of the 1976 publication in the Terra Astra publication series: this digest should have the same official publication date as Perry Rhodan #773 (per previews in #s 245 and 257 of 'Terra Astra' that I have at hand), which was published 1976-06-15 according to our data, not 1976-06-22. It is somewhat tedious but cases as this are proof that we do need sources for the data, including dates. Stonecreek 07:55, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
One or rather two additional thoughts: as the previews were usually published during the Seventies in every fourth issue, there might possibly be one in 'Terra Astra' #253 (for TA #s254-257 and PR #s774-777, among other titles). The date for PR #773 is sustained by a page of Perrypedia.
Also I have found an implicit credit for cover artist Eddie Jones, that I would like to add to 'Terra Astra', if it's okay. Stonecreek 14:48, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Good Point. More digging to do in the vaults. What I am certain about is that TA 250-4 were published in June. It clearly says so in the Copyright section. How this correlates with Moewig's remaing Output I Need to check. JLochhas 18:09, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
I also added the price (and an accompanying note) to this book. Stonecreek 09:51, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
I added the implicit art credit for Eddie Jones to the notes: please take a look if it seems okay.
Thanks, this works perfectly. - JLochhas 21:51, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
For the exact date it seems that we have reached a point where there are two mutually exclusive statements, both in effect made on the publisher's side. Do you have any idea how this can be resolved? Stonecreek 14:15, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
I prefer to rely on the publishing month stated in the copyright section. Mainly because it works back to July 1973: Official publication date of Perry Rhodan #1000 is / was 21/10/1980. Counting back week by week the "Copyright month" is always identical to the actual month of publication. I have validated that myself. In Addition, the ad on the back cover page usually is identical across all of Pabel-Moewig's scifi and Fantasy novels. This holds true for June 1976 as well. For me that's sufficient evidence for our novel to have hit the stores on 22/06/1976. - JLochhas 21:51, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Fine, I think you are right! The only reason for the misleading preview I can imagine is that the publisher wanted to emphasize the Perry Rhodan title published in the same week. Did you have time to look into the two editions of Hüter der Vergangenheit? The first to my knowledge was translated by H. P. Lehnert, the second by Michael Nagula (several titles seem to have been newly translated for E. C. Tubb-Taschenbuch). Stonecreek 08:46, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I have cross-checked, these are two completely different translations. I'll add the culprits in the comments section.JLochhas 07:28, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Die Mordmutanten

Hello, I've found the artist for your verified pub see here, I've updated the publication. Hauck 13:49, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Brilliant - and thanks! JLochhas 13:54, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Commander Scott

Thanks for the tremendous work of adding this series. I would think that the german additional titles should be by definition part of the 'Cap Kennedy' series, what do you think? There remains the problem of numbering them, though. It seems possible to number them continuing after the last title of the original series or not at all; to change the given numbering would require a previous discussion, I think. Stonecreek 10:44, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

The German series isn't really Cap Kennedy, is it? The hero's name is Barry Scott, the German add-ons are pacifist is style - to me it would be practical to label all 42 novels under a "Commander Scott" series and - in addition - keep the Tubb novels as a variant title of the original books. Woz the opinion? - JLochhas 19:13, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Don't think that to be possible. A title can be only part of one title series, and that does include all variants/translations. The novels by Tubb are already part of 'Cap Kennedy', so they shouldn't be changed. It would be possible to create a sub-series for the original german titles, though, for which 'Commander Scott' could be a possible name. Stonecreek 19:38, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
The sub-series sounds plausible to me. Who else do we need to consult...? - JLochhas 19:55, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Nobody, I'd say. Please just go on, if you like. Stonecreek 11:19, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
Except that you can't have a variant title in a different series than the parent title. It is ISFDB standard that variant title records can not be in any series whatsoever. You'll have to find a different way to designate the Commander Scott publications. I'd suggest just removing the titles from the series because you already have the publication records in a publication series. Series numbers 1-8, 11, 15, 21, 24, 26, 29, 31, 32, and 38 are all showing up on the clean-up script that finds variants in a series. Mhhutchins 03:29, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
The reason why variant records can't be in a series is because it screws up the display of the series. That's why the original author is not credited in those items I listed above when you look at the title series. Mhhutchins 03:31, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks - corrected. JLochhas 06:32, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

"Norma" Segrelles

What is your source that this is the same person as Vicente Segrelles? I have a suspicion that "Norma" refers to the name of an art agency and neither an actual artist nor an attempt by Segrelles to create a pseudonym. I'm going to leave messages for the verifier of the two records to determine if there's an indication of this in the credit. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:11, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

The easiest proof is his bio at http://www.segrelles.com/info/info_e01.htm - JLochhas 22:17, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
I'm not doubting it's his work. I'm trying to find out why it's credited to "Norma Segrelles". I did find that he sells work through Norma Agency. ("At the same time, Segrelles continued his career as a book cover illustrator, firstly through Selecciones Ilustradas and later through Norma Agency.") Hopefully the verifiers will be able to help. I just don't want to create a false pseudonym. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:50, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
You've got a valid Point: I strongly doubt that "Norma Segrelles" is a proper pseudonym - I have quite a set of bookes credited to "Norma Segrelles" and "Norma Ballestar" and to me it's either sloppiness of the publishers or the "concept" to Name both. - JLochhas 11:18, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
I agree. Communication between persons using different languages can be very tricky sometimes, even if they "know" the other language. Add a corporation into the mix and it gets even trickier. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:14, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

The Gervase Factor

It may seem a bit unusual, but as we don't go by copyrights or dates of writing, and this novel is indeed unpublished in English, we do enter this (and I have already done so for this novel). Thanks for adding it , anyway. Christian Stonecreek 14:14, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Various great updates on cover artist . . .

. . . are appreciated, but the other primary verifiers need (and most probably like) to be informed also. I have put your submissions for The Rule of the Door and Other Fanciful Regulations and The Cassiopeia Affair on hold for that reason. I accidentally approved your submission for A Gun for Dinosaur and Other Imaginative Tales, but here this rule also applies. It may be a bit tedious, but look at it this way: if you have verified a given publication, you'd most probably also want to be informed about the artist (or other news). And there's another upbeat note: we all can count us lucky that we only have four additional slots for primary verification, not 19 ;-). Stonecreek 09:45, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

The Primary verifier of A Gun for Dinosaur and Other Imaginative Tales is Dgeiser13 who apparantly hasn't been active in ages. Admittedly I was lazy to post to the moderator notice board or the secondary verifier.. Done. JLochhas 12:11, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! Stonecreek 17:22, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Volle Breitseite

What is the original English title of this German title? I need to variant it to the original work, or you can do that if you wish. Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:35, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

No worries, that was top on today's todo list... Done. JLochhas 09:38, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Page counts for digest-size novels

Re this record and others: I see you note that the page count doesn't include the covers. The ISFDB standard for entering books (regardless of the format) is to give the last numbered page as the page count and if necessary make adjustments for unnumbered pages of substantial text. We only include covers in the page count for MAGAZINE-typed publications. So is "96" the last numbered page for these digest-size novels? Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:09, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out - it may be worthwhile to have a slightly larger discussion around the topic. Most of the added "books" are dime novels, either stapled or - as in case of the Utopia Grossband series - glued but nonetheless magazines in style. They were only sold at managzine stands in railway and bus stations and couldn't be purchased in a proper book store. So what to do - treat the pubs as magazines or treat them as books??? - JLochhas 17:27, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Unless they're published as a periodical (i.e. with a stated date of publication or issue number on the cover or masthead), then they're considered books and not magazines. You'd have to change the type from NOVEL to MAGAZINE, which I'm sure you, or no one else, would want to do. So basically, if it's typed as a NOVEL, COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY, NONFICTION, or OMNIBUS, it's a book. It's only a magazine if it's typed as MAGAZINE. Feel free to start a discussion on the Rules and Standards Discussion page to discuss changing the rules about page counts. Thanks. Mhhutchins
I wouldn't recmmend to treat them as MAGAZINEs, they are similar to the Terra publications published by Moewig (see for an example here). To treat them as MAGAZINEs can lead to difficulties, especially when a COLLECTION or an ANTHOLOGY is published (because a MAGAZINE shouldn't normally contain such title types). Stonecreek 17:58, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Good, that's my line of thinking too - I've opened up an item in the Standards Discussion page for the General Count discussion... JLochhas 18:38, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
I'll start revising my edits to reflect this discussion & the one from the Standards Discussion page. JLochhas 18:14, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

UFO am Nachthimmel

Hello! If you come across a line like Data from 'Bibliographisches Lexikon der utopisch-phantastischen Literatur' and you are verifying the publication in question, it is absolutely okay to delete this line or similar ones. I have done that for this novel. Thank you for your foundational work. Stonecreek 15:43, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

James S. White

Hello, You intend to make english as this author's language. As per your notes, it seems that it should be german. Am I right ?. Hauck 17:21, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. I have corrected the submission. Cheers - JLochhas 17:26, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Gefangene des Mondes

Hello, you inverted the tilte and the author for your submission. Normally, I've corrected it see here. Hauck 06:28, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi and many thanks - have also corrected / updated the cover entry - JLochhas 19:31, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Volkhard S. Ch. Erl

Were there other spec-fic books published by this author under his real name (Volkhard August Scherl)? If all of his spec-fic work was published under this name, it's best to leave it as the canonical name and record his real name in the author data. Mhhutchins 20:31, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

It's been a couple of days, and I'm still holding the submission to create a parent record. Have you had a chance to determine if any of his spec-fic work was ever published under his real name? If not, please cancel the submission. Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:01, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I somehow missed this entry: I am only aware of the odd essay published under his full name - so it's probably best to least the name as is without making it a pseudonym. I'll cancel the submission. - JLochhas 22:12, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Varianting follow-up

When making one author (or artist as in this case) into a pseudonym of another, it's good to follow that up by varianting the titles of the pseudonym. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:35, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

OK, will do. Thanks. JLochhas 17:07, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Flucht in den Raum and Macht des Geistes

Thank you so much for keeping the pace! However, I have put two submissions on hold: Flucht in den Raum for the unusual publisher 'Balowa (Gebrüder Zimmermann)', which we have as 'Balowa / Gebrüder Zimmermann', indicating that Balowa is an imprint of Gebrüder Zimmermann. Accepting your submission would lead to installing a new publisher. Would it be okay when I change the publisher to our standard?

Not sure why I missed the existing Balowa entry - and it would be stupid to have two... so let's use the already existing. Just go ahead an make the change. What we should probably do, though, is clean up some of the "Gebrüder Zimmermann" edits as they fall under one of the Widukind and Balowa imprints. I'll have a look at them in a couple of days or so. JLochhas 15:16, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
Yes, that would be a worthy task. The entries stem from various sources, with quite different quality. I'll approve the sub. and change the publisher. Stonecreek 17:40, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Macht des Geistes is on hold because you missed out on sourcing the month and the cover artist. I tend to believe you in both aspects but there may come some other person and think & state otherwise (and this really happens quite often). So, could you please clarify on both points. It really helps a lot. Thanks, Christian Stonecreek 14:19, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

As to Macht des Geistes and the publication month... The first Utopia Kriminal was officially published on Monday, 30 January 1956. UG 33 was two weeks earlier, and UG 34 two weeks later. I'll still need to dig out later cross-referencing when I unpack the higher UG numbers but I recall from memory that UG 164 was announced for early November 1961. If you feel uneasy about it now that I appreciate that we remove the edit. Same holds true for the cover artist. JLochhas 15:16, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
No, let's stick to the notes, but it would be better to add your knowledge about the two pub. series to the notes. For the cover artist: the credit should be based on something that is more than hearsay. This might be any source that has at least some credibility. Stonecreek 17:40, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

ZBV

Is ZBV a title series or a publication series or both? Mhhutchins 00:32, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Without doubt ZBV is at least a title series. sf-leihbuch explicitly states Reihe "ZBV - UTO-Krimi" Band # 1 which lead me to capture the publication series. It is hard to judge whether Balowa was a bit sloppy as in German some people (although semantically incorrect) do sometimes exchange "Serie" (title series) and "Reihe" (pub series). I have just cross-checked Balowa's 56 Perry Rhodan fix-ups of the mid sixties. Here no pub series is mentioned, only the title series. - More digging to be done in order to form a final opinion. Until then I'll refrain from adding more novels... Cheers - JLochhas 08:44, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Do the novels share a setting or characters with the others? If any of them were reprinted by a different publisher would the works still be in the ZBV title series? Mhhutchins 15:55, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
I've answered my own question: this does appear to be a title series based on this Wikipedia page and the ISFDB records of the French reprints which put the titles into the ZBV series and the publications into various publication series. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:07, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Just in case you're still watching this page: Am making the Balowa ZBV editions into a "Uto-Krimi" publication series. JLochhas 21:04, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Stern des Grauens

The OCLC record which you link to this record is for another publication. Mhhutchins 16:23, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

I think you meant to link it to this OCLC record. Mhhutchins 16:26, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Indeed, thanks for pointing it out - now corrected. JLochhas 16:30, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Weltuntergang

Did you intentionally give the binding in this record as "unknown"? Does your source give the publication format? The price would seem to indicate a hardcover book. Mhhutchins 16:30, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Seems to be my 'bad' day - of course it's a hardcover book - now amended. JLochhas 16:33, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Pseudonyms/variants

The creation of pseudonyms and creating variant titles for pseudonymously published works are separate functions. Making a title into a variant doesn't automatically create a pseudonym. Making an author into a pseudonym of another doesn't automatically move all of his titles to the canonical author's page. I have made William Brown into a pseudonym of Ernst H. Richter. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:58, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Der lachende Teufel des Wassers

Are you certain a work of 20-30 pages in this publication should be classified as NOVEL? Are they each more than 40000 words? Also this seems to be collection of work by Paul Alfred Müller. Who are Heinz J. Galle and Dieter von Reeken? If they edited the collection, keep in mind that editors aren't credited in single-author collections.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:08, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

All of the works are named novels but you are right, their length is ambiguous. It may make sense to reclassify them to CHAPTERBOOK. JLochhas 18:44, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Also, the note about the editor credit in the OCLC record is incorrect. In OCLC records, the actual book credit is given in the "Responsibility" field at the bottom of the details tab. The "Author" credit at the top of the OCLC record usually gives the canonical author credit if a work is published pseudonymously. Editors also get credit in the "Author" field, but OCLC has a credit policy that differs from the ISFDB. Mhhutchins 17:12, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, that clarifies it. Amendment under way. JLochhas 18:47, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Had to reject the submission. The CHAPTERBOOK type is a container that can't be "contained" in another publication. SHORTFICTION is "contained", i.e. a content. I'll change all of these works to SHORTFICTION, and the publication to a COLLECTION credited to Müller. If you, or anyone else, decides to add records for the books which contained these pieces as stand-alone publication, the publications would be typed as CHAPTERBOOK with a SHORTFICTION content record. Mhhutchins 19:36, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Recording outside source's record numbers in the Note field

Re this record: When adding the record numbers from other databases and secondary sources to the Note field of an ISFDB record, it would help to separate the source (LCCN, OCLC, BLIC, ASIN, Reginald, etc.) with a colon, e.g. LCCN: 2013012345, OCLC: 9876543, ASIN: B00H7XTQR7, Reginald1: 04625, etc. This will make it easier if or when we create dedicated fields for record numbers from other databases and sources, giving us the ability to transfer the data in a global update instead of having to update each record individually. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:56, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks - will keep in mind and apply... JLochhas 05:06, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

OCLC credits

Re this record: As I mentioned in a previous message, OCLC gives the publication's credited author in the "Responsibility" line (near the bottom of the record.) They give the canonical name of the author in the "Author" field (at the top of the record.) So the note you added to the ISFDB record for Der Mondsatrap is incorrect. In this case they consider "Georg Altlechner" to be the canonical author. The ISFDB doesn't necessarily have to consider that as the author's canonical name. Mhhutchins 23:40, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Same error made in the Note field of this record, this record, and this record. Please update the note for further clarification, e.g. "The OCLC record gives Georg Altlechner as the canonical author." Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:44, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

BTW, unless Hans-Peter Weissfeld had spec-fic publications credited to his real name, please don't create a pseudonym and variant titles. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:47, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Science Fiction Almanach 1985

Hello, I've approved your submission for this pub, but can you check if the artist is not Morrill (two Rs) instead of Morill as entered ? Thanks. Hauck 16:21, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I saw that too when I wanted to link the original art. All amendments are made... Cheers - JLochhas 16:44, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
I added the month of publication for this anthology and changed the title dates for the classical shortfictions by Maximovic and Mommers & Vlcek. Good work! Christian Stonecreek 05:26, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks... JLochhas 10:34, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
I found out the original year of publication for Scheerbart's 'Vorwort' and added the missing reviews. Stonecreek 19:46, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
And there seems to be a typo in the title of the Pusch story: my copy has ...da leben sie noch rather as ...da lebten sie noch. Christian Stonecreek 05:30, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
Are you really sure - credits, table of contents and the actual story all read "da leben sie noch". Past tense doesn't make any sense either. JLochhas 13:09, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
Hmmm, I don't see any difference between our statements. It is just that it was entered with the past tense and I think that this should be corrected. Christian Stonecreek 12:49, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
True, I must have been braindead when I responded to your note... ;) Thanks for pointing out the error - corrected! Rgds, John JLochhas 12:51, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Well, I just noticed that it was a case of bad English on my part: the statement should have read 'rather than' rather than 'rather as'. ;-) . Christian Stonecreek 13:22, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Der Tod von Las Vegas

This publication was entered under the wrong title record. (The authors don't match.) I'm not sure how this happened. If an editor chooses the "Add Publication to This Title" function, they don't have the option of changing the author credit because the fields are pre-populated and uneditable. Do you remember which function you used to create this record? Perhaps after it was accepted, you went back and changed the author credit? Mhhutchins 07:54, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Looking back on the integrations list, I see you cloned the other publication to create this one. When cloning a publication you should never change the author or title field (perhaps the software should be changed to prohibit an editor from doing it at all.) If the author or title field doesn't match, you should not use the "Add Publication to This Title" or the "Clone This Pub" functions. You should use the "Add New Novel" function, and then variant it to the canonical title record. Once you've seen this message, and acknowledged it, I will make the corrections to the record. It will have to be unmerged from its current title record, and then varianted to the canonical title. Perhaps this help page will be a good guide in determining which function to use to add a publication to the database. Mhhutchins 08:02, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps I was too eager for a shortcut to adding this novel... You are right, it is the same novel but published under a different name (in this case the author's true name). Appreciate your help to clean this up. Thanks. JLochhas 10:15, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
It's my mistake. I've approved your submission as I noticed the difference in author but was waiting to discern your aims. Hauck 10:17, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

English title for Gallun work

I rejected the submission to create a fake English title record for this record. Because the title recorded in that publication's copyright page is incorrect, it's best to keep this unvarianted until it can be determined which Gallun story was translated into this German version. You can add the copyright data into the record's Note field. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:09, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Done. Thanks! - JLochhas 18:17, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Im Vorhof der Hölle

I accepted your submission of Im Vorhof der Hölle, but you noted that SF-Leihbuch stated the Copyright year 1958. I don't find this remark there. Have I missed it? Rudam 08:32, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

A tribute to Mr Copy and Ms Paste... Thanks for pointing out the flaw - now corrected! JLochhas 12:24, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Notifying PVs

Hello, I've approved your submissions for diverse german pbks (like this one) which were PVed by Rudam, it's considered good manners to notify each PV of any changes for their verified publications according to their stated preferences. Please keep this in mind. Thanks. Hauck 14:04, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Month of publication added

Hello, I added the month of publication to this book. Christian Stonecreek 03:35, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

And the same for Conan der Rächer. If you don't mind, I'll do it also for other books of Heyne SF & F. Christian Stonecreek 03:57, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Christian, thanks a ton! - Cheers, John JLochhas 18:23, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
If you don't mind, I'll also add to other pub. series: in this case I added the month and an accompanying note to Herold im All. Christian Stonecreek 07:46, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! - JLochhas 10:17, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Pseudonym

Don't forget to make Roger Kersten into a pseudonym for K. H. Scheer. Notice the "stray publication"? Also, just to double-check: the series is also titled Roger Kersten? Mhhutchins 17:22, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

The series is titled after its fictitious author Roger Kersten, the books are written "through his eyes"... JLochhas 17:25, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Het Wapen der Eeuwigheid

I accepted the submission to add a cover art credit to this record, before reading the Note field written by the primary verifier. Please update the record to give the source for the artist credit. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:31, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

done. JLochhas 07:08, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
I removed the note that said that there was no visible signature, since the note you added states that there is. Mhhutchins 13:05, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Unter dem Terror fremder Sterne

I'm holding the submission to merge these two titles, because the one credited to "Brian W. Aldiss" has a publication which has been primary verified. Please contact the editor to determine if the published credit matches the ISFDB record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:01, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Sun Koh series

Series data should not be entered into CHAPTERBOOK title records. Enter it in the SHORTFICTION titles. Mhhutchins 18:28, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

OK - Thanks. JLochhas 19:02, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Catalog ID

Hello John! This pub Das entfesselte Hormon and this pub Der entfesselte Blutstoff have the same Catalog ID. Is the second title perhaps a variant of the first title? Rudam 09:01, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it is, and I haven't got around to varianting it yet... JLochhas 09:03, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Language

Hello again! FYI, I've accepted some of your entries but I've to changed a few times the language from galician to german. Rudam 09:15, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!!! JLochhas 09:31, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Die künstliche Seele

Hello, just FYI, I've deleted a title without publication (_Juan Garcia entflieht_ by Müller) as the two titles by "Myler" need to point to only one title by Müller. Hauck 17:03, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for cross-checking, I did miss that one! Only 94 more booklets to go... ;) - JLochhas 17:18, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Griff nach der Sonne by "K. Merten"

Both OCLC and the German National Library record give the publisher as "M. L. Mertens". Without a primary source, you should make the record conform to the secondary source credits. After the record is in the database, you can variant it to the canonical author credit. (At the moment, neither of the names are in the database.) Once you've acknowledged receipt of this message, I'll release the hold on the submission so you can make the necessary corrections. Mhhutchins 05:23, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Acknowledged and - thanks! JLochhas 05:34, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Geheimnisse im Savoy-Hotel

Submission adding this record was accepted, but I have a few questions.

  • Are you certain that "G.-man Jack Kelly" is a publication series? It appears to be a title series?
  • What is the "+ [1]" in the page count field? (Which BTW should be entered without spaces.) There should be an explanation in the Note field for any odd page counts.

Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:24, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

I was planning to remove the pub series field and make it a series title. The explanation for the +[1] is added: the last page of the book is not numbered. Comments are all added in the notes section. Thanks! JLochhas 17:51, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Creating new parent titles when one already exists

I had to reject your recent set of submissions to create new parent title records, because they already exist under the name of Paul Alfred Müller. You should go to his page and copy the record number of the title. Then go to the corresponding title as published by Freder van Holk. Use the variant function, entering the record number you just copied into the Parent # field. This avoids having to merge duplicate title records. Mhhutchins 21:55, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Again, I had to reject the submissions because you were varianting the CHAPTERBOOK records with the SHORTFICTION records. Be sure that the types match, as there are one for each. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:04, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, saw it right after I submitted... error's being corrected. JLochhas 22:05, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Series data...

...should only go into the parent title record. Any entry of series data in a variant title will make a work display twice when viewing the series. I've started to remove the series data in the variants by "Pierre de Chalon". Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:49, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps you skipped the part where I said that I would remove the series data. :) Mhhutchins 16:52, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Probably I saw the false entries at the same time as you... ;) JLochhas 18:46, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Duplicate titles

This publication was entered using the wrong function ("Add New Novel") instead of going to the existing title record and using the "Add Publication to This Title" function. You will have to merge the duplicate title records. Mhhutchins 18:41, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Edward Valigursky

Please see this discussion regarding covers by Edward Valigursky. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:56, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Jan-Mayen-Titelverzeichnis

Are the lists titled "Jan-Mayen-Titelverzeichnis" in the various Jan Mayen - Band x the same in each, or are they unique to each volume? If they are different, you should disambiguate them by adding "(Jan Mayen x)", just as you have done with each "Vorbemerkungen". Thanks. --MartyD 01:19, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi Marty, These lists are identical - the ones captured with books 1-4 are already merged as now these will be... JLochhas 04:38, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Novels or novellas?

Hello, John, there seems to be a pending conflict of the title type, see here. Could you take a look into the matter? Christian Stonecreek 12:00, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

W. D. Rohr Cover

Hello John, do you think this cover is from Michael Whelan? Is it a variant of this one? Peregrin 23:57, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Yup, that's Whelan alright. It's sad that Schlück's online database is no longer available, but that's where I looked it up. Sadly I don't have a further source to confirm it - yet. But it still IS a Michael R. Whelan picture. Chers, John - JLochhas 21:14, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

K. H. Scheer / Roger Kersten

Can you confirm that the novels by Roger Kersten are also part of a title series "Roger Kersten"? Is he a character of the novels? Also, the variant title records should not have been put into a title series. Only the record credited to the canonical author should be given series data. I've made corrections for those records. Mhhutchins 07:31, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Roger Kersten is both Scheer's pseudonym as well as the fictitious hero of the stories. Thanks for correcting the title data. Obviously I was too quick to get the data hacked in... ;) - JLochhas 10:40, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

OCLC

Hello! The OCLC link of this pub Diagnose negativ is inoperative. Rudolf Rudam 19:35, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Oops... corrected! Thanks, John - JLochhas 21:40, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Identical Johnny Bruck covers

When covers have the same title, the same artist and are the same artwork, we merge them into one record. I accidentally accepted 3-4 submissions that made them into variants. I've gone back, removed the variant relationship, and then merged them. Keep this in mind when the same situation appears in the future. Thanks. `Mhhutchins

Similar cases for some Bruck covers (ZbV), which I also reversed or rejected (and merged afterwards). We do recognise the art, not the design of a cover: that's why we do (foreign language) variants of art that graces totally different publications. Thanks, Christian Stonecreek 13:35, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Diagnose negativ

You added two records for this title, both of which state that they are the first paperback edition. Obviously, one is wrong. If it states that in both printings, please add the statement in quotation marks which indicate that the data is a direct statement from the publication. If neither bear that statement, you should provide a reliable secondary source which corroborates the note you've added to the ISFDB record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:27, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

amended. Thankld for pointing out! JLochhas 08:49, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

For your special use

Hello, John! As Paul-Heinz Linckens hasn't been heard of for more than one and a half year, feel free to change the ZbV series without his word of 'Okay'. Christian Stonecreek 13:04, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Programmierung ausgeschlossen

It would have been easier to make the current parent record into a variant of a new record crediting both authors. I tried to reject the submission but another moderator accepted it before I got the chance. Now you'll have to make at least two more submissions to get the records back into shape. Also, don't forget to move the series data to the parent record. Mhhutchins 17:14, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

And your submission to clone a second printing added the new pub record to the old title record. I don't think that was your intention. (Unless the second printing had different author credits, in which case you should not have used the CLONE function.) Mhhutchins 17:18, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Too many cleanups... Thanks for spotting! - JLochhas 17:25, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
I'll accept your other submissions to unmerge titles, even though I have no idea what results you're looking for. Mhhutchins 17:44, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Obviously there would have been an easier way... but once I went down the wrong route... Now all should be in order. - JLochhas 18:07, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Losung Takalor

Please confirm the publication series given in this record. Another printing appears with the same series number in another publication series. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 18:13, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, the new publication series was added on purpose. In total there were three publication series. JLochhas 18:19, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Funny. They don't look like different series, just a second (or third) printing of the same 38 titles (which are also duplicated in a title series). It appears that you're using the publication series field to create separate series for later printings. That is not currently a proper use of the ISFDB designation for publication series. In the past, we continue to use the same publication series name when a work is reprinted in the same publication series. For example, in this publication series, we include all reprints of titles, not only the first printing. If you feel this function should be expanded for such purposes as someone has done here, please start a discussion on the Rules and Standards discussion page. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:24, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Ah-ha. I see now what the publisher is doing! They have used a different series name for the reprints, here for example. In that case, I'll just let it go. Thanks. Sorry for my confusion. Mhhutchins 18:29, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
If my above conclusion is correct, perhaps this has the wrong publication series? Mhhutchins 18:30, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Yes, this one is a copy-paste error. I'm correcting it... Thanks! JLochhas 18:43, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
The source links given in the Note field of this record are for the first printing and not this second printing. Mhhutchins 18:34, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Sorry. I'm wrong again. I assumed that the first printing was in 1976, when if fact, that is the second printing. Mhhutchins 18:54, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Changes in primary verified records

You should leave a further note on the PV editor's talk page about adding a catalog number to his verified records. Are you certain that these catalog numbers appear in the actual publication? (e.g. "ZBV1-42" in this book) Thanks. Mhhutchins

I actually left a note on his page a while back - check Stonecreek's note three or four comments up. JLochhas 19:09, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
As to the catalog numbers - here's a Topic really worthwhiile a larger and more General discussion. The quick answer is: NO, the catalog nos do not appear precisely as I quoted them. I merely tried to stay in line with the ids used for other series of Pabel's. I'd Claim that pre-1980 not one book or Magazine of Pabel's had an explicit catalog number printed anywhere at all. My Impression is that all our Editors including myself are re-using the pub series number. - JLochhas 19:33, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
The use of the ISBN / Catalog # field should be limited to exactly how it's designated, either the ISBN or the catalog number. Creating fictitious catalog numbers adds nothing to the value of the record and undermines the accuracy of ISFDB data. Nothing in the current standard implies that the field can be used for any other purpose. If it duplicates data that's already present in the Publication series number field, then I have to question whether that number is present in the publication as well. If you believe the current standards should be changed, it should be discussed among the entire group. Mhhutchins 21:46, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Die Fregatte des Königs

Helllo, I'm sorry, I've rejected your submission by mistake. Can you resubmit again? Hauck 14:40, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Actually you were right. I shouldn't have cloned the pub - and of course I've gone ahead and repeated the error. Now there's more cleaning up to do... JLochhas 16:18, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Merging of publications

Hello John! I have to reject your submission. This pub [1] is not a variant of this pub [2]. I assume that you wanted to merge this two Pubs. If you want to merge two Pubs of an author go to side of the author and press on the side bar "Show All Titles" and then scroll to the similiar pubs and select the items. Here is a help page: [3]. Thanks Rudolf Rudam 12:05, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Voltz in Utopia Classics

Hello, John! Perhaps you already know about the novels by William Voltz published in Utopia Classics: although based on earlier publications, we would regard them as new, as far as they are expanded to novel length. I have entered Das Schiff des Mutanten in both versions (novella and novel) after reading them in a parallel session. Christian Stonecreek 05:30, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Christian, yes I am aware of those novels... Not sure, though, if I'm comfortable with having them as two independent titles. The paperback edition is some 20-25 percent longer than the Heftroman, but to me that does not really make it a new title in its own right. In my logic it would make sense to either variant the novella (which, I know, is not in line with isfdb standards) or just leave it as a comment or link them together via the series field. What's your view? Cheers, John - JLochhas 11:00, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Well, SHORTFICTIONs shouldn't be variants of NOVELs or vice versa (that's why most of the german digest series have NOVELs and CHAPTERBOOKs as title types of publications with the same length, depending if it's an original NOVELLA or an abridged NOVEL). But with a different perspective it might be possible to view the 1984 Utopia Classics publication as a collection containing two short stories and the initial novella: there's no statement of it being a NOVEL in the book, though it is generally viewed and listed as such. On the other hand, expansions into novels were done before (or afterwards), for example by David Brin with The Postman and also by Frederik Pohl.
Right now, I don't know what's up with the other expansions from Terra NOVELLAs done by William Voltz, but I'll take a look into it next year. Christian Stonecreek 06:26, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
OK - I'll just keep my fingers off the Voltz novellas / chapterbooks for now. John - JLochhas 09:54, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
But no, I'm no exclusive owner of William Voltz titles. If you'd like to complete Utopia Classics just go on! I just wanted to set your mind on the complications associated with those titles.
Don't worry... I'll be doing that alright ;) - John
And what do you think of regarding Das Schiff des Mutanten as COLLECTION or leaving it as NOVEL? Christian Stonecreek 12:37, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
I would leave it as a novel. Will check it out once I get to that section of my collection. Cheers, John. JLochhas 12:39, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Image file upload before publication record creation

How were you able to upload this image file before the publication record was even created? How could you know what the tag of the publication record would be in order to link the file to the record? I didn't know this was possible. Mhhutchins 23:30, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

It isn't really possible as a general rule - or so I assume. I cloned this particular book and simultaneously uploaded a new picture for the old pub - and edited all entries. Perhaps not 100% as intended but since the title was available only once it was clear what the new record would be saved as. JLochhas 08:35, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
When a new publication is created the system generates a unique publication tag. Go to a publication record and look on the Bibliographic Comments line. It's usually created by removing the vowels and adding the four digit year of publication. For example, Der steinerne Wald gets the tag "DRSTNRNWLD1980". (See here.) What I can't understand is how you can upload the cover first, that it has a tag number that will match the publication which hasn't been created, and it has all of the data that is usually generated automatically only when using the link from the publication record, i.e. the fair usage license, the link back to the publication record, the artist category, etc. (This can be entered manually as well, but you have to enter each field into the correct license template.)
In the example I gave above, you uploaded the cover image file at 15:01 on January 5, 2015. But the publication record didn't get into the database until 19:47, more than four hours later. Since the publication wasn't in the database, which link did you use to upload the cover image file? It's not that you're doing anything wrong. You're doing something that as far as I knew was impossible to do. I'd just like to know the trick! :) Mhhutchins 02:00, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Not much of a trick: I first uploaded the Hardcover Version of that book, then then the cover. After that I uploaded a second cover, but modified the title, i.e. the year component, and all other attributes in order to match the Paperback edition's details. Then, finally, I cloned the hardback and added the picture link. That's all... JLochhas 05:54, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
But how were you able to match the tag ID for a publication record which had not yet been created? Mhhutchins 06:21, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
The original hardback (for which I uploaded the cover only after the add had been approved) received tag "DRSTNRNWLD1959". So it was clear that by cloning the Pub I'd receive tag "DRSTNRNWLD1980" for the 1980 edition - especially since its title only appears once in ISFDB. So what I did for uploading the picture is: I uploaded a further cover for the hardback - and before I selected the jpg file on my harddrive I went into the text box below the file menu and changed the default Parameters such as for publisher, artist and tag to the new (expected) values. That's all. Cheers, John JLochhas 18:56, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
But what if there had been a publication record for a 1980 edition of Dr. Satan, Run Wild? I would advice waiting until a publication record is in the database before adding the cover image. Not only does the template automatically fill all of the parameters, you also avoid the possibility of duplicate tags. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:48, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
Agreed. That procedure only makes sense when applied with caution... JLochhas 19:52, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
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