User talk:Jacqke

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Welcome!

Hello, Jacqke, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

Please be careful in editing publications that have been primary verified by other editors. See Help:How to verify data#Making changes to verified pubs. But if you have a copy of an unverified publication, verifying it can be quite helpful. See Help:How to verify data for detailed information.

I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the community portal, or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:39, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Images

Accepted your edit adding an image and artist credit to [this] publication. However, even though you uploaded the image correctly, it did not display in the record. The URL that needs to be pasted into the record field is not the one that appears on the Upload page. Counterintuitive, I know! Once you have that page showing you can get the correct URL a couple of ways: right-click the image and choose "Copy Image Address", then paste; click on the image and then it will display on a page by itself [no Wiki data showing] then copy the URL from the bar and paste it into the field of the record. Nearly every new editor makes the same mistake. I found the image in the upload log and copied it into the record for you. One question: does the artist's name only have one 'f'? Usually see this name spelled as Hoffmann. Thanks for editing, and again welcome! --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:45, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I am sure of Hofmann's name; spent a great deal of time researching his book covers.Jacqke 18:59, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! And the second image worked fine. --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:03, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Changing verified pubs

It is ISFDB Policy that an editor notify anyone who has done a primary verification of a publication record. You've made two submissions changing the cover artist from "Hofmann" to "William Hofmann" in two such records. Just click on the name of the editor who verified the pubs (Logan's Run and The Joy Makers), which leads to their user page. Clicking on "Discuss This Page" leads to their user talk page. Just leave a message about the changes you're making in the record. Some editors have specific directions about how changes to their verified pubs should be handled. I'll approve the submissions once the verifiers have been notified. Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:24, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll get it done. Jacqke 13:37, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
I saw the note on my talk page. Always good to have another mystery solved. I uploaded Hofmann's signature to the Signature page so the artist can be identified for other pubs. Also changed the credit for my copy of The Unicorn Girl. Thanks, --Willem H. 22:19, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! That signature page is a great idea.

Comments/questions about La Tierra Permanece

Hi. I accepted your submissions of 1962 and 1967 editions of La Tierra Permanece. I had to remove the link you provided to the cover -- we do not have permission to link to images on the blogspot.com site (this kind of linking uses their server bandwidth, so we need to have permission). See Help:Screen:EditPub#ImageURL for a list of sites from which we do have permission, as well as details about how to ask for permission and how to upload files. Assuming that's your blog, you'd probably be best off uploading that scan to the ISFDB server and linking the publications to that. See Help:How_to_upload_images_to_the_ISFDB_wiki for an explanation of how to do that.

My question is about the publisher. "Ediciones Minotauros" makes me think that's actually a series and the publisher's name is "Minotauro". Would you check how the books present the name?

Again, welcome, and that you for contributing! --MartyD 11:52, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

p.s. The same linking issue applied to:
I have also merged the titles with Earth Abides, so all of the publications appear under that. If you have any questions about this, just ask. The way we deal with translated titles is a bit tricky. --MartyD 12:09, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Question--the only file I uploaded before (the 1969 Earth Abides cover) was my own scan. The scans on my blog have been harvested from the net. Can I upload these under fair use? I will follow your directions for the next sets I upload; I still have the French and German versions left. Thanks! Jacqke 14:37, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
My understanding is that unless the image itself is explicitly copyrighted, you can download it yourself and upload it under fair use. The copyright holder on the cover is usually the publisher or the artist, not the website where the image is displayed. --MartyD 20:57, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
The only major exception that I am aware of is when the person who originally scanned the cover also made significant alterations to it. The act of altering the scan may have created a "derivative work" (under paragraph 101, Chapter 1 of US Title 17) which will enjoy copyright protection. According to the US Copyright Office, "Making minor changes or additions of little substance to a preexisting work will not qualify a work as a new version for copyright purposes. The new material must be original and copyrightable in itself. Titles, short phrases, and formatting are not copyrightable". It's hard to be sure what qualifies as "minor", so it's probably better to err on the side of caution when scans have been altered.
Naturally, this only applies to the ISFDB server, which is hosted in the US. There may be other laws governing handling scans on the uploader's side. Ahasuerus 04:03, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

La Terra sull’abisso

Hi again. La Terra sull’abisso had the same linking issue with this cover. I also merged it into Earth Abides as described above. --MartyD 12:18, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Dealing with translated titles

Hi again. I see now what you did with the above translations of Earth Abides. I did fix up the titles, but here's an explanation of how these are handled, should you ever have the chance to enter some other translated publications. It's a complicated explanation (don't let that daunt you), but it can save you some work.

Each book actually has two components: a "Title" (representing the work, as a unique conceptual entity) and a "Publication" (representing the appearance of the work in book form). To make matters more confusing, the "Publication"'s name is referred to in the editing screens as the "publication title", but this is separate from the "Title" -- the Publication's name (a.k.a. "title") and the work's Title can be two completely different things. In the case of a non-English translation of an original English work, we want to end up with a Publication whose name ("title") is the translation, but whose Title is the original English one, shared with all of the other publications of that work.

When you "Add New Pub", the system simultaneously creates both a Title and a Publication. "Clone This Pub", on the other hand, creates another Publication (populated from the information of the publication you are cloning) that shares the same Title. You can edit this new publication's name ("title"), but in the Content section you'll see the shared Title.

So if you add a translation via "Add New Pub", you don't want to insert the English Title as additional content. Rather, you want to just add the pub normally, then later "Merge" the newly-created non-English Title with the existing English Title, keeping the English one. This will make the publication share the common English Title, while keeping the non-English name/"title". This is what I did with your submissions above, removing the extra added English titles.

If you add a translation via "Clone This Pub", you avoid the merge step. You will get a Publication that shares the English Title, and you can change the Publication's name/"title" to the translated form. You can try this -- pick any publication and "Clone This Pub", and you'll see how the information appears in the editing screen; you'll be able to edit the Publication's title (the "Title" at the top), but the shared Title will appear in the Content section, and you won't be able to edit it.

All that said, you didn't do anything wrong, and moderators are here both to help you out and to make sure the information ends up recorded the way it's supposed to be -- the most important thing is to get the information in the first place. So don't hesitate to add or modify things; we appreciate the contributions very much. --MartyD 12:54, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

You directions seem very clear. Thank you!Jacqke 14:38, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Gollancz ed. of Earth Abides

I accepted the submission adding this edition to the database, then discovered that there's one already here. Ordinarily we only use Abebooks listings as a last resort, as they're known to be quite unreliable. That listing's dating of 1949 is incorrect. The seller may have used the copyright date as the publication date. This listing on the British Library Integrated Catalog website gives 1950 as the publication date, which matches the current record (and it's been physically verified by another ISFDB editor). Another thing, you added the pub by using the "Add New Novel" method, which creates a whole new title record. If you'd gone to the title record for Earth Abides and used the "Add Publication to This Title" tool, the pub would have been added to the listing of other editions of the title. If it had been a valid edition we would then have to merge the two title records together. As it is a duplicate, I'll delete the record, but only after you've had a chance to look it over. Thanks for contributing. Mhhutchins 16:52, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Corgi ed. of Earth Abides

I accepted the submission adding the cover image to this edition, but removed the note about information coming from Abebooks.com (see my above caveat about using them as a source, also linking is futile because listings come and go). I changed the source of the information to Tuck (which has been verified, see the listing under the pub record) and BLIC (the British Library Integrated Catalogue). Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:57, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Same situation with the 1961 printing. When you see a pub has been Tuck verified, it means that the information in the fields have been verified against the listing in Tuck's The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction and Fantasy. There's no further reason to list another source, unless you're adding or correcting data that Tuck may have missed or made in error. The source of the cover image is not necessary as the source is automatically linked when the image is added to the pub record. Mhhutchins 17:03, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Corgi's 1979 ed. of Earth Abides

I'm holding a submission adding a "chapterbook" printing of Earth Abides that contains the novel. This looks like an entry error, because chapterbooks contain shorter works of fiction, poetry, nonfiction, etc., and novels should be entered using the novel type. Your source is a listing on the Biblio.com website. Again, not a very good source. There is a listing of this printing on BLIC (search from this link: catalogue.bl.uk. There are a couple more problems with the listing: the ISBN-13 wasn't being used in 1979. BLIC gives the ISBN-10: 0552111945. Also you entered it using the "Add New Novel" method when it would have been better to used the "Add Publication to This Title" method. I'm going to reject the submission, and add the printing using data from BLIC. Accepting the submission would take several more submissions in order to get the record into shape. These are all very common errors for new editors, so please don't feel discouraged from contributing. All of your efforts are appreciated. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:13, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

I did this record while tired, so I'm not surprised I made some mistakes. They did give the same ISBN that you did for instance. One question -- if the site is selling the book, why wouldn't their description be a potential for some information. The biggest would be the year printed in the book, reprint number and the book cover itself. Anyway, thank you for your help. I'm not discouraged. I didn't see the "Add Publication to This Title" option; that will be useful. Jacqke 04:22, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Changing image URL on La Tierra Permanece

The submission changing the URL of the cover image for this pub gives a bad URL. The new link is for the image's wiki page, not the image itself, so it's coming up blank. The image name appears to be identical. Here's the link to the image: http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/e/ec/LTRRPRMNCN1975.jpg and here's the link to the wiki page: http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:LTRRPRMNCN1975.jpg. I'm not sure why you attempting to change the link to the wiki page, because it will not display on the book's database record. Mhhutchins 17:21, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

There was a similar image URL problem with this edition's submission. It used the Wiki page, not the image. I corrected the link. After you upload an image, the link you need to use in the Image URL field is not that page, but rather the link that appears below the thumbnail image on that Wiki page. --MartyD 12:28, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Or you can left click on the image itself, which will load only the image into your browser. Just copy and paste the URL that's in your browser's address window. At least, that's how I do it. Another method: right click on the image and choose "Copy URL" (might be a slight difference depending upon which browser you use), then paste that into the URL field of the corresponding pub record. Mhhutchins 16:11, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
I was having some problems with my browser; I had to go through the history to find the images after I closed the pages out, and things weren't displaying properly. I remember having issues with those. Thank you! Jacqke 04:26, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

2nd Gollancz edition of Earth Abides

I have to reject your submission updating the Gollancz first edition of this title. You state in the notes that this is the second edition and link an image of the second edition cover. It would be better to create a whole new record for the second edition, instead of overwriting the information in this physically verified first edition. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:45, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Zeml´i`a prebyvaet voveki : sbornik fantasticheskikh proizvedenii

Unfortunately, at this time there is no way to enter "original translated omnibuses" like the one that you submitted earlier tonight. The only way to get the data in would be to create a new Omnibus Title, "Zemlya prebyvaet voveki", which would then appear on Bulmer's and Stewart's Summary pages. If were to allow that, it would significantly increase the size and complexity of our Summary pages. We do have plans to upgrade the software to account for this scenario, but it hasn't happened yet. Ahasuerus 06:55, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Ok, thank you. Jacqke 12:56, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
OK, I have moved the data to this page for reference purposes and rejected the submission:
Zeml´i`a prebyvaet voveki : sbornik fantasticheskikh proizvedenii 	
Year 	1994-00-00 	
Publisher 	Kursiv 	Unknown Publisher
PubSeries 	Seri´i`a Fantastiki "Stalker"
PubSeriesNum 	5 out of 6 in series
Pages 	402 
Binding 	- 	
PubType 	OMNIBUS
Isbn 	9785866430093 	
Note 	Another ISBN: 5866430096 Two books in one publication: Earth Abides by George Rippey Stewart and Secret of Zi by Kenneth Bulmer. Translated into Russian. Source: http://www.worldcat.org/title/zemlia-prebyvaet-voveki-sbornik-fantasticheskikh-proizvedenii/oclc/50558677?ht=edition&referer=br http://www.worldcat.org/wcpa/oclc/50558677?page=frame&url=http%3A%2F%2F65.114.255.136%2Fsearch%2Fo50558677%26checksum%3Da8923bb470ce101072e9486c1d3b84c0&title=Arapahoe+Library+District&linktype=opac&detail=CO2%3AArapahoe+Library+District%3APublic+Library 	
Content
Earth Abides 	George R. Stewart 	1949-00-00
Zeml´i`a prebyvaet voveki 	Dzhordzh R. St´i`uart 	1994-00-00
Sekret Zet-ai 	Kennet Balmer 	1994-00-00
Ahasuerus 05:36, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
thanks Jacqke 05:46, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Pont sur l'abîme

The link you provided in the image field for this pub is a link to the French Amazon's listing of the pub, not the image itself. Go to the listing, click on the image or the link to "View Larger Image" or "See Customer Image", which will lead you to a larger version of the image. Right click on the image and choose "Copy Image URL" (or something similar, depending upon your browser). Then copy that URL into the record's image field. In this case the URL should be http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71WEK5i%2BqiL.png. (Sometimes the image URL on Amazon must be manipulated to get the correct image. See here, under Amazon, for further instructions.) Mhhutchins 16:54, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Yermah the Dorado

Thanks for submitting the correction to the 1913 edition! I have approved the submission, added the author's foreword and set up a variant title/pseudonym relationships. Ahasuerus 07:33, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Linking uploaded images to the publication record

Thanks for uploading cover images to the ISFDB wiki. The next step is to link those images to the records of the books for which these are the covers. As the instructions (step 6) explain:

Once the file has been uploaded, the image's wiki page will appear. In order to get the URL (address) for the image you just uploaded, left click anywhere on the image and copy the URL from your browser's address window. (Or right click on the image and choose "Copy Image Location".) If you're adding a cover image to a pub record, this is the URL which you would enter into the pub record's "Image URL" field.

So once you have the image's URL, go back to the pub record (it's linked on the image's wiki page) and then click the "Edit This Pub" link under the Editing Tools menu. This opens up an edit page. Under the Publication Metadata section, there's a field labeled "Image URL:" Enter the URL of the image you uploaded into this field, and then click on the "Submit Data" button at the bottom of the page. Once the submission has been moderated the cover image will be linked to the publication record. Thanks for contributing. Mhhutchins 22:51, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Limits for cover image files

Please do not exceed the standard limits for size file and dimensions when uploading cover images to the ISFDB server. They must not be more than 150 KB in size and the height can not be more than 600 pixels. I've resized the image you uploaded for the Corgi edition of Earth Abides. Do not forget to link it to the publication record. Mhhutchins 02:02, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

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