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== Eugene Clement d'Art ==
 
 
I'm going through some boxes from after my mother's death, I have come across many short stories written by the above author. I notice online that there was a listing for this author on ISFDB. Would these be something that a moderator would be interested in having/posting? If so, please contact me via email and I will mail these stories to you. If not, I will dispose of them. Thanks. {{unsigned|Hailyd}}
 
 
: Welcome to the ISFDB project! Let me first clarify that we are a bibliographic project and that the [[ISFDB:Policy#Contents.2FProject_Scope_Policy|scope of the project]] is limited to speculative fiction, i.e. science fiction, fantasy, supernatural horror and related "speculative" genres.
 
 
: At this time our database currently lists only [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?18246 one speculative story, "The Mystic Bowl", by Eugene Clement d'Art]. If you happen to know of other works of speculative fiction by this author, we would love to know about them so that we could create appropriate bibliographic records. If, however, the short stories that you have access to are not speculative in nature, then they wouldn't be eligible for inclusion in the ISFDB database, although it's possible that some ISFDB editors/moderators may be interested in acquiring them for other purposes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:58, 1 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Strange Horizons magazine ==
 
 
The magazine [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?342088 Strange Horizons, 11 September 2000] has a note like this: 18 Sep. 2000←25 Sep. 2000→2 Oct. 2000 (previous issue ← this issue → next issue)  and a lot of other issues of this magazine do have such notes, too. Scifibones suggested [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Zapp#Strange_Horizons here] to remove those notes. I guess some of the users spent a lot of time to contribute that and I don't want to upset them by removing. So I'm ready to clean the note fields, but not without general agreement or consensus. What do You mean? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 06:56, 2 September 2024 (EDT)
 
: Read my comment again. I'm not suggesting you remove the note from any issue. I suggested you don't add that note to any issue you update. It doesn't add any useful information. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:14, 2 September 2024 (EDT)
 
:: How is being able to scroll through the issues not valuable?--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] ([[User talk:Swfritter|talk]]) 16:12, 2 September 2024 (EDT)
 
:::I don't see a problem with doing that. However, the issue grid provides the same option for the most part. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:47, 5 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
:::: That's right. The "issue grid" page was designed and implemented specifically to facilitate issue navigation. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:11, 5 September 2024 (EDT)
 
::::: If they (the issue grid naviation in the Notes field) are there, leave them. If they're not there, do not add them... [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 16:01, 5 September 2024 (EDT)
 
::::::I'm not sure why folks are opposed to these links.  They are more convenient than the grid with fewer clicks and no need to find the desired issue in a large grid.  They're a little tricky to enter, but not overly so.  I have no problem with someone adding them and would certainly oppose the deletion of existing links.  Could those who are advocating their prohibition or removal please articulate why they don't want these links?  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:44, 5 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
::::::: I don't feel strongly about them, but they do cause some "fragility" problems. For example, if you move one or more magazine issues to a different magazine series -- not common, but it happens -- you need to check other issues in the original series and delete/update any invalidated links. Similarly, if you install the ISFDB database on another computer, these links will still point back to the main isfdb.org server, which has occasionally confused me while working on development.
 
 
::::::: These are not very common issues, but it's something to keep in mind. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:00, 5 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
::::::::It could be added as a feature, but I suspect the changes to the database would be not insignificant and would require some careful design so as to not bog things down whenever a new issue is added. Would there be a way to use the data used in creating the grid and have the database use the existing links to automatically create the links that way? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:31, 5 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
:::::::::Something with linking templates may be easier, but I don't think it gets around the second fragility issue, unless there is a global host name variable that the templates have a handle for.  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:58, 5 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
:::::::::: Re: Nihonjoe's suggestion to leverage "the data used in creating the grid and have the database use the existing links to automatically create the links that way", yes, it should be possible in ''most'' cases. As long as a magazine series has issues with unique AND exact publication dates, we should be able to display links to "Previous Issue" and "Next Issue". The trouble is that not all issues have unique and exact publication dates.
 
 
:::::::::: For example, consider the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?28717 issue grid for ''Strange Horizons'']. If you scroll down to 2016/2017, you'll see two "Fund Drive Special" issues which are dated 2016-00-00 and 2017-00-00 respectively. There is no obvious way to create "Previous Issue" and "Next Issue" links for them; arguably, links shouldn't be created since they are one offs.
 
 
:::::::::: More significantly, consider [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?9094 ''Analog'']. In 2023, they had two "July-August" and "September-October" issues, one electronic and the other one paper-based. Naturally, they use the same publication dates, which makes it had to create a "chain" of "previous-next" issues. This scenario has become increasingly common over the last 10 years as magazines transitioned from paper to electronic.
 
 
:::::::::: Re: the second idea, i.e. "linking templates", it's related to {{FR|1461}}, "Create templates for Title and Publication records". Unfortunately, the current template system is quite rudimentary and will require an overhaul before we can do something like that. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:56, 6 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
::::::::::: No horse in the race, other than I agree existing links shouldn't be deleted, and I would not object to a submission adding any such links.  Just a techno-geek aside: Do we support relative URLs in anchor hrefs?  If so, using those would solve the server reference issue in copied databases (assuming the original IDs are maintained on import). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:24, 6 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
:::::::::::: I believe I tried switching to relative URLs about 10 years ago, but it broke something and I had to go back to absolute ones. I am afraid I don't recall the details. Given the number of things that have changed in the last 10 years, it's entirely possible that it's not longer an issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:30, 6 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
::::::::::: Templates akin to the P and T templates we have for the Wiki could help ensure the anchors are done that way.  --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:24, 6 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
:::::::::::: Unfortunately, the homegrown template system that we have on the database side is not nearly as sophisticated as the template system supported by the Wiki. It would need to be upgraded before we could implement "P"/"T"-style templates. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:30, 6 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Please remove image uploads ==
 
 
Please delete the following two cover image files so I can upload the corrected one: [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:SCRTSFTHLB2024.jpg SCRTSFTHLB2024.jpg] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:SCRTSFTHLB2023.jpg SCRTSFTHLB2023.jpg]. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 16:22, 3 September 2024 (EDT)
 
:As requested. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:46, 3 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Utah Book Award ==
 
 
Can we add this one? You can see all the details [https://www.utahhumanities.org/index.php/Center-for-the-Book/utah-book-award.html here]. It's mostly non-genre, but it very often has genre works awarded and on the finalist lists. I'll populate it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:44, 4 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
: It certainly looks legitimate with a variety of established organizations involved. Do they happen to have a list of prior nominees online? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:24, 4 September 2024 (EDT)
 
::[[User:Nihonjoe#Awards|This is what I've gathered]] so far. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:49, 4 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
::: Since they have a contact email listed (Kase Johnstun at the bottom of the page), would it make sense to send an email to see if they have a master list available? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:24, 4 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
::::I could do that, though I could start with what I've been able to find in the meantime. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:45, 5 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
::::: If no objections are raised, I plan to create a new Award Type in a couple of days. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:09, 5 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
=== Outcome - Utah Book Award ===
 
 
Hearing no objection, I have created [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?117 an Award Type] for this award. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:54, 8 September 2024 (EDT)
 
:Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:10, 9 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Image + page ==
 
 
Please delete the mistakenly uploaded image and its page [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:Kenneth_Bulmer.jpg here]. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:28, 4 September 2024 (EDT)
 
:Done. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:50, 4 September 2024 (EDT)
 
::Thank you Joe. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:01, 5 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Image delete - NWSF 25 ==
 
 
Please delete the old image here: [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:NWWRTNGSNS1976.jpg October 2010]. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:18, 7 September 2024 (EDT)
 
:Done! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:10, 9 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Magic Image ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?62503; The one book from the publisher on Archive.org (not on ISFDB), Phantom of the Opera, https://archive.org/search?query=%22magicimage+filmbooks%22&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22, has the publisher as MagicImage Filmbooks which seems to be the way it's written based on online evidence from their other books so the space between the first two words should be erased. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:52, 9 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Sleeping Beauties ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6027093; Taweiss responded in the affirmative about the page count fix so can this be approved? It's been there for over a month. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:44, 9 September 2024 (EDT)
 
:done. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:19, 9 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== New Language - Occitan ==
 
 
As previously teased earlier on this page, I have an Occitan publication to add. Could this language be added to the drop-down list for magazines? Thanks, Gareth. [[User:GDJ|GDJ]] ([[User talk:GDJ|talk]]) 14:40, 10 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
: [https://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php ISO 639-2] has two separate codes for "Occitan":
 
:* pro: "Occitan, Old (to 1500)" also known as "Provençal, Old (to 1500)"
 
:* oci: "Occitan (post 1500)"
 
: Which one would you like to see added to our list of supported languages? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:31, 10 September 2024 (EDT)
 
::Definitely oci: "Occitan (post 1500) please. [[User:GDJ|GDJ]] ([[User talk:GDJ|talk]]) 04:27, 11 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
::: Done! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:05, 11 September 2024 (EDT)
 
::::Great, thanks! [[User:GDJ|GDJ]] ([[User talk:GDJ|talk]]) 14:37, 11 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Protected page ==
 
 
Could someone make the following changes to [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Publication:NWWRTNGSNS1974 this page] (I've already submitted the title change to the pub):
 
* NEW WRITINGS IN SF--22' to NEW WRITINGS IN SF—22 (with an em-dash)
 
* "the work 'Books' is dropped" to "the word 'Books' is dropped"
 
Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:35, 11 September 2024 (EDT)
 
:Done. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 18:58, 11 September 2024 (EDT)
 
::Thanks Marty, but it seems only the 2nd change has been made.
 
::In the series, there are 3 more pages needing changes:
 
:::[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Publication:NWWRTNGSNS1969]
 
:::* NEW WRITINGS IN S. F.--14 to NEW WRITINGS IN <b>S.F.—14</b> (with em-dash)
 
:::[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Publication:NWWRTNGSNS1970]
 
:::* NEW WRITINGS IN SF--17 to NEW WRITINGS IN SF—17 (with em-dash)
 
:::[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Publication:NWWRTNGSNS1975]
 
:::* NEW WRITINGS IN SF--23 to NEW WRITINGS IN <b>SF — 23</b> (with em-dash)
 
:::* "the work 'Books' is dropped" to "the word 'Books' is dropped"
 
::Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:02, 11 September 2024 (EDT)
 
:::Ok, redone. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:16, 12 September 2024 (EDT)
 
::::The text I've bolded above should be <u>exactly</u> as is. Also, can you tell me why the first line in the box still reads, for example, <i>New Writings in SF 17</i> instead of <i>New Writings in SF—17</i>? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:20, 12 September 2024 (EDT)
 
:::::I'm sorry, if I have still not done something the way you want it, you will need to tell me what that is. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:21, 13 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
:These pages are not showing as protected ([https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Publication:NWWRTNGSNS1974&action=info example]) and should be editable by all users. Are you not seeing the Edit link or are you getting an error when editing? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:29, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
::If I go to the example you've highlighted, I see the page <i>Information for "Publication:NWWRTNGSNS1974"</i> and that Page Protection is set for "Allow all users (infinite)". I don't see an Edit link (tab), only "Read", "View source", and "View history".
 
::On the "View source" page I see "You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason: The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups: Users, Write." and beneath that: "You can view and copy the source of this page". I can't make any changes, only the copy/paste function will work. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:43, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
:::Problem solved - basic error :( I didn't see that I had to log in. Thanks for trying, MartyD and JLaTondre. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:06, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Image  delete ==
 
 
Please delete the old image here: [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:NWWRSNSF601966.jpg September 2016]. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:43, 12 September 2024 (EDT)
 
: Done [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:04, 12 September 2024 (EDT)
 
::Thanks Annie. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:34, 12 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Seedbearers ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?8774; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6056296; https://www.ebay.com/itm/235368972951; There is no variant Seed Bearers title, 1986 edition and Quartet PB both say Seedbearers on title page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:49, 12 September 2024 (EDT)
 
:Changes made. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:24, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Artist name change ==
 
 
The name of {{A|Filippo De Gasperi}} should be changed to Filippo Degasperi. Although some websites use the first spelling, most sites use the second, and the second is how he is credited in both the title {{T|1429904|already in ISFDB}} and in another book I just submitted. I believi that Degasperi is the real name, and that we should not record De Gasperi as an alternate name until a book is recorded that credits him so. I guess that also the Directory Entry has to be fixed (?). thanks! --[[User:Fantagufo|Fantagufo]] ([[User talk:Fantagufo|talk]]) 16:06, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
 
:Change made and your relevant new pub submission accepted. Per "Spaces in Names" at [[:Template:PublicationFields:Author]], we are supposed to normalize spaces and not create variants based on the existence (or non-existence) of them. It would be best to go with how the artist spells it, but lacking that, we can use the more common version for now. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:19, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
 
::Very good. I submitted an author record change with information from the web. thank you! --[[User:Fantagufo|Fantagufo]] ([[User talk:Fantagufo|talk]]) 17:40, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Tom Wade ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?97017; I think Night Bumps is by a different Wade, if so name will need differencing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:14, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
 
:Done. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:12, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== The Once and Future King by T. H. White ==
 
 
Would it be possible for someone to make two reviews of the same omnibus work point to the page for that omnibus? The omnibus work is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?638677 The Once and Future King] and the two reviews appear in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1027339 Valkyrie, Issue 14], and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1027344 Valkyrie, Issue 16], respectively. Greg --[[User:Explorer1000|Explorer1000]] ([[User talk:Explorer1000|talk]]) 12:43, 19 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
:I did these for you.  Just FYI, anyone can do this, not just moderators. Visit the review title record (e.g., click on the link to the review in the pub's contents list), then in the Editing Tools section at the left is "Link Review to Title".  Click that and supply the ID of the title to which the review should refer (the '''638677''' at the end of .../title.cgi?638677 in the link to the title that was reviewed). Linking a review to a title is moderated, so it's a safe thing to do -- someone will check it.  --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:51, 21 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
::Belated thanks for this! I saw that the task had been done and, soon afterwards, I found the 'Link Review to Title' tool, which I've used a couple of times since. Thanks again for taking the time to explain it. :) Greg --[[User:Explorer1000|Explorer1000]] ([[User talk:Explorer1000|talk]]) 09:11, 29 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Image delete  request. ==
 
 
Please delete the old image here: [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THBSLCTN541971.jpg May 2013]. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:22, 22 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
: Thanks Joe. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:34, 23 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
::No problem. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:37, 23 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Ocelové Zezlo ==
 
 
This is way above my pay grade. Title Record # 3340495 looks to be ground zero being published in 2006. Yet it is a variant of Title Record # 3344997 being published in 2017
 
And to add to the goodness Title Record # 3349016 is the Polish version of this book, but can not be added as a variant since it was published in 2006 but the main record seems to be again 3344997 from 2017. Also for extra goodness, Publication Record # 1023544 is the Ukrainian version by BookChief in 2023 [[User:Aardvark7|aardvark7]] ([[User talk:Aardvark7|talk]])
 
 
: Checking [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juraj_%C4%8Cerven%C3%A1k English Wikipedia], I see that many books by this Slovak-language author first appeared in Czech translation -- see the Bibliography section and the following note:
 
:* Most of Červenák's early books were published in Czech translation prior to publication of their original Slovak versions; this changed in 2010, when the first of his historical novels was picked up by a major Slovak publisher.
 
 
: As per [[Help:How to enter translations]]:
 
:* If a work was written in one language, but a foreign language translation was published first, then the original language title should be considered the canonical title and the translated title should be considered variant title. The year of the canonical (i.e. parent) title should be set to publication year of the canonical title, not to the year of the translation (though the latter one was released earlier).
 
: In this case it means that this author's Slovak titles are "canonical/parent titles" for our purposes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:06, 26 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Rules and standards discussions - Missing Threads ==
 
 
What has happpened to the [[Rules_and_standards_discussions|Rules and standards discussions page]]? Many threads have gone missing. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:51, 28 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
: On 2024-09-25 Nihojoe archived most of the completed sections by moving them to [[Rules and standards discussions/Archive/Archive22]]. However, [[Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive22#Roman_Numerals_that_Continue_into_Arabic_Numerals_-_Dedicated_Thread]] was apparently moved by accident: the core discussion had been wrapped up, but we still need to craft new Help language. If it matches your understanding, I can move it back. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:47, 28 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
::(I am not using links because I do not know how they work with threads that have been archived.)
 
::Several threads should not have been archived.
 
::27 Interspersed unpaginated content
 
::is an ongoing discussion. I guess part of the reason why it was incorrectly archived happened because of Ahasuerus' post:
 
::Interspersed unpaginated content - Outcome, dated 11:49, 25 September 2024 (EDT)
 
::which actually refers to:
 
::30 Revision to Help for Start Page of Interspersed Unpaginated Contents
 
::but was erroneously added to thread 27. I have only just seen this because the threads were archived so quickly after the post.
 
::Thread 27 relates to changes and Help wording for the Pages field of a pub record, not the Start Page of Content records.
 
::Can you please restore the following (including all sub-sections) to the Rules and standards discussions page:
 
::27 Interspersed unpaginated content
 
::28 Interspersed Unpaginated Content - Dedicated Thread
 
::29 Roman Numerals that Continue into Arabic Numerals - Dedicated Thread
 
::30 Revision to Help for Start Page of Interspersed Unpaginated Contents
 
::and remove the:
 
::Interspersed unpaginated content - Outcome
 
::post. 28-30 need to be restored because they relate to 27 and participants may need to refer to these threads.
 
::The state of affairs with 27 is that I was waiting for comments to my latest sub-section:
 
::Proposed Revision to Updated version (1)
 
::before proceeding to the next stage. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:37, 29 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
(unindent) I have unarchived the discussion of "Interspersed unpaginated content" and related discussions of "Roman Numerals that Continue into Arabic Numerals". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:18, 29 September 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Echoes of a Distant Storm ==
 
 
My apologies, but back in August I requested an outdated listing of a book of mine to be deleted. I was refused and asked to provide a reason why. I'm not certain if you received my response as this site is difficult to navigate. However here it is: Hello. The information and book are no longer relevant. The book has not been available for a number of decades and the publisher is defunct. I no longer write under that name and am reinventing myself as an author. I've published an entire new series. If I may have access to the account, I will update everything. Also, I noticed there are three of my short stories appearing on here that were never published so I'm not sure how they got on here. It looks like one, Exile, was published in a foreign magazine? You help will be appreciated. Thank you. Authorwasimpson (talk) 20:29, 1 October 2024 (EDT)AuthorWASimpsonAuthorwasimpson (talk) 20:29, 1 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
Your speedy response would be appreciated. Thank you.
 
 
: The moderator who handled your August submission, [[User:JLaTondre]], hasn't been on since last week, so he hasn't had a chance to respond to your message on [[User talk:Authorwasimpson|your Talk page]].
 
 
: Re: your request to delete the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?356351 ISFDB record for ''Echoes of a Distant Storm''], [[ISFDB:Policy#Deletion Policy]] says:
 
 
:* Like other major bibliographic sites, the ISFDB doesn't delete publications/titles that are known to have been published.
 
 
: Re: "reinventing myself as an author" and publishing a new series under a different name, please note that, as the linked Policy Web page says, "The ISFDB does not identify publicly undisclosed pseudonyms". If you do not publicly link the new name to the old one, we won't connect the two names in the database.
 
 
: Re: "three of my short stories appearing on here that were never published", our bibliographic data comes from a variety of sources. For example, checking the records, I see that the publication data for "Eyes of the Lily" came from the [https://www.aphelion-webzine.com/oldishs/ap20v2.htm Aphelion Web site], which has detailed information about old issues going back over 25 years. If you follow the link, you will find the details. Information about the Greek translation of "Exile" came from the Web site politeianet.gr , specifically [https://www.politeianet.gr/magazines/periodika-sumpantikes-diadromes-teuchos-1-septembrios-2005-45357 this Web page].
 
 
: If you have additional information about the publications that these stories appeared in, e.g. information about magazine issues getting canceled or delayed, we'll be glad to update our records to make them as accurate as possible! TIA. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:45, 1 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
::Hello. Thank you for your responses concerning this matter and the information about my short stories. Although I know I never sent anything to a foreign market. It's still a puzzling situation. [[User:Authorwasimpson|Authorwasimpson]] ([[User talk:Authorwasimpson|talk]]) 11:26, 4 October 2024 (EDT)authorwasimpson
 
 
::: This is, unfortunately, not uncommon. There have been quite a few cases of authors discovering that their stories were published in other countries without their knowledge (or payment). For example, back in 2007 we helped {{A|Hayford Peirce}} [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive07#Hayford_Peirce_novel.2C_The_Spark_of_Life.2C_in_Russian determine that 2 of his stories had been published in Russia in 1997 and 1998]. Conversely, a Russian publisher paid him $400 for his 2001 novel [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?238591 ''The Spark of Life''], but the edition apparently fell through, so it cuts both ways. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:18, 4 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
:: I do have one more question. I plan on re-writing the series Echoes started in which I am writing from scratch. If that book gets published can the listing be updated with the new information? Thank you again and have a good weekend. [[User:Authorwasimpson|Authorwasimpson]] ([[User talk:Authorwasimpson|talk]]) 11:26, 4 October 2024 (EDT)authorwasimpson
 
:::We wouldn't update the existing listing, but we would add a new listing for the new, updated version. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:03, 4 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
:::: Here are some examples of how revised editions can be organized/displayed in the ISFDB database:
 
::::* Jonathan Moeller's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?33240 ''Tower of Endless Worlds'']. The original version was published in one volume in 2008. A revised 4-volume version was published in 2012
 
::::* K. S. Nikakis's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?26554 ''The Kira Chronicles'']. The Note field further explains:
 
::::** The original trilogy was later expanded, edited and augmented to create the 6 volume series. This is not just a split novels publications; the new versions of the novels are different enough to be considered a new set of works.
 
::::* David Wingrove's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?32596 ''Chung Kuo Universe'']. An 8-volume version was published in 1989-1996. A "recast" 11-volume version was published in 2011-2019.
 
:::: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:28, 4 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
(unindent)
 
Good evening. I just wanted to let you know that I looked at the German site and am not finding any indication of my story Exile or my name. You're certain it was my story they published? Also, the short story Whisper. Do you have any additional information on where and when it was published? Again, these two stories were never submitted. Although I made a script version of Whisper which I uploaded to Coverfly. Thank you and have a good week. [[User:Authorwasimpson|Authorwasimpson]] ([[User talk:Authorwasimpson|talk]]) 17:50, 15 October 2024 (EDT)authorwasimpson
 
 
: Sorry about the delay -- it's been a hectic couple of days due to a robot attack.
 
 
: Re: "Whisper", if you click its title on your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?173251 author page], it will take you to what we call [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1427739 the "title page"] for the story. It lists all of the text's appearances in the "Publications" section of the Web page. If you click on "Shadow Sword #8, Fall 1995" in the "Publications" section, it will take you to its [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?384704 "publication" page], which lists bibliographic details about "Shadow Sword #8, Fall 1995": its editor, publisher, price, etc. The "Contents" page lists all of the stories, poems, essays and other works that appeared in the issue. "Whisper" appeared on page 37. The same information is available on [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/fmi/k09/k09665.htm this Web page] maintained by "The FictionMags Index".
 
 
: Re: the other question, could you please clarify what you mean by "the German site"? If it was a typo and you meant [https://www.politeianet.gr/magazines/periodika-sumpantikes-diadromes-teuchos-1-septembrios-2005-45357 "the Greek site"], then the story appears as:
 
:* ΕΞΟΡΙΑ ΤΗΣ WENDY A. SIMPSON (ΜΕΤΑΦΡΑΣΗ Γ. ΣΩΤΗΡΧΟΣ)
 
: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1027470 Here] is the ISFDB table of contents for the magazine issue in question. Hopefully it's easier to read.
 
: HTH! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:16, 17 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
:: Wow! You guys really are thorough! I'd completely forgotten about publishing Whisper in the magazine in 1995. I'm surprised you were able obtain the information. That was written on a typewriter, long before I had a computer (even before the internet?) Yes I'm old 😉 It was originally submitted through USPS. My apologies, yes, I did mean the Greek site, sorry for the confusion. Thank you for verifying this information for me. It's appreciated. Still, I'm certain I never sent them anything. Have a good weekend! [[User:Authorwasimpson|Authorwasimpson]] ([[User talk:Authorwasimpson|talk]]) 15:34, 19 October 2024 (EDT)authorwasimpson
 
 
::: Glad to be of service! I have changed the date of the English version of ''Exile'' to "unpublished" as per your comments.
 
 
::: And yes, typewriters, especially manual (i.e. pre-Selectric) typewriters, were a literal pain to operate for a prolonged period of time. I have no idea how Robert Silverberg managed to [https://www.vice.com/en/article/mvbw3v/sin-a-rama-excerpt-my-life-as-a-pornographer type 150 soft porn novels] plus over a dozen other books between 1959-1964 and not ruin his wrists... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:00, 19 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== cover upload cock up ==
 
 
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:NCHNTDMSTS2024.jpg
 
 
I have gone and uploaded a cover for the wrong publication so I think it needs to be deleted? cheers - Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:10, 5 October 2024 (EDT)
 
:Deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 06:10, 6 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Carmilla Ravensworth / Carmilla M. Ravensworth ==
 
 
Okay, okay, okay.  Dope am I.  I screwed up. I originally listed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?385262 Carmilla Ravensworth] as the primary name, but then I kept coming across her name as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?385264 Carmilla M. Ravensworth].  So, I tried to change Carmilla Ravensworth as a variant of Carmilla M. Ravensworth and totally messed things up.  Can this be fixed? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 02:36, 6 October 2024 (EDT)
 
:Resolved. I removed the variant name from {{A|Carmilla M. Ravenswor}} and cleaned up a couple of extra titles. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 06:08, 6 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Creative Commons license -- version 4.0 ==
 
 
As [[User:Fantagufo]] pointed out on [[Help talk:How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki]] earlier today, [[Template:CC-by-sa-4.0]] is included in the "Licensing" drop-down list on the [[Special:Upload]] page, but it's not mentioned in the "Creative Commons Sharealike tags" section of [[Help:How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki]]. Is there a reason not to add it? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:06, 8 October 2024 (EDT)
 
:I'm guessing [[Help:How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki|that page]] was created before we added the 4.0 licenses. I don't see a reason to not add them. In the meantime, I've created [[:Template:CC-by-4.0]] since we have the others. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:34, 8 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
:: Thanks! Should we add it to [[MediaWiki:Licenses]] so that it would appear in the "Licensing" list on the File Upload page? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:50, 8 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
:::Yes. I've added it there. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:11, 9 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
:::: Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:42, 9 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
::::: Shouldn't the links be also in the [[Help:How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki]]?  --[[User:Fantagufo|Fantagufo]] ([[User talk:Fantagufo|talk]]) 07:17, 12 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
:::::: Good point -- done! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:39, 12 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== another cover cock up ==
 
 
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:BTTRBLRRNG2021.jpg
 
 
Can a mod please delete this one its for the wrong publication - cheers Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 15:44, 8 October 2024 (EDT)
 
:Done. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:51, 8 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Films of Time ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6072400; I should have just merged parent and variant author names, but once edit is approved and that's done will the stories be merged, too, or will all need individual merging? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:37, 8 October 2024 (EDT)
 
:I've approved it. For some reason, "H. W. Nevinson" is not the canonical name. I will be fixing that as most (or all) of his works are published under what is now the "pseudonym". ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:48, 8 October 2024 (EDT)
 
::Okay, all switched over. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?146207 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:15, 8 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Pandora ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?4958; The book by Spanish publisher Abraxas should probably have something added to pub. series name to differ it from the other Pandora. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:38, 9 October 2024 (EDT)
 
: Fixed. And sorted out some issues with the title while I was there. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:27, 9 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Please add Faroese to the language pop-up. ==
 
 
I have an anthology of stories translated into Faroese. Please can a Bureaucrat add Faroese to the "Add New Language" popup? Thank you. [[User:Evertype|Evertype]] ([[User talk:Evertype|talk]]) 07:40, 12 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
: Done! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:57, 12 October 2024 (EDT)
 
:: Can you check, or would you like me to do so, whether or not all of the 639-1 (two-letter code) languages are in the pop-up? Those all have 639-2 codes (and we may well prefer three-letter to two-letter ones) but those would have been identified for bibliographical use long ago. (They're used for many TLDs now.) Or is it better to ask on a case-by-case basis? [[User:Evertype|Evertype]] ([[User talk:Evertype|talk]]) 07:30, 13 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
::: Wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639-1 says] that there are 183 two-letter codes in ISO 639-1, which seems to match the ISO 639-1 column in [https://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php the Library of Congress list]. We currently [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/languages.cgi support 162 languages], which means that there are over 20 ISO 639-1 languages that we do not support at this time. Since we support ISO 639-2 languages like Acoli, Akkadian and Asturian, which do not have ISO 639-1 codes, the actual number of unsupported ISO 639-1 languages must be significantly higher.
 
 
::: I don't think this is an issue. The only language standard that we currently use is ISO 639-2. If and when editors come across new ISO 639-2 languages, we add them. It's less than one request per month on average; it only takes a few minutes to check the Library of Congress page and add a new language code. In the past, it required a programming change, which took longer, but we have a menu option now. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:31, 13 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== After the Bomb ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:BKTG11503.jpg; Please delete this image upload; I stupidly didn't notice the price is wrong and comes from a later printing. A copy on eBay which has the right price is all marked up and stickered so I can't use that one; I did make an edit fixing the author's name which has no middle initial on the title page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:17, 12 October 2024 (EDT)
 
:Deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:26, 12 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Zauberbann der Venus ==
 
 
Stonecreek has not responded [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Zauberbann_der_Venus here] since August 2024, I am posting again: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?427670 The date from this pub] 1971-00-01 seems to be wrong (invalid format). Who can help? --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] ([[User talk:Wolfram.winkler|talk]]) 16:56, 13 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
: I have posted a request for clarification. Some online databases do not support "imprecise" dates like "1971-00-00" and "1971-03-00", so they change "-00" to an arbitrary "-01". Perhaps the data for this pub originally came from that kind of secondary source. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:38, 14 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== CEA Greatest Anthology Written ==
 
 
Okay, I flubbed up again.  I think.  I just listed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1029744 CEA Greatest Anthology Written].  But this anthology was previously listed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?646858 here] by [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Andrewtroth Andrewtroth].  But there are several problems with both listings.  Andrewtroth’s lists stories that are not listed on Amazon’s table of contents (which I used), and using said table of contents, I listed stories that Andrewtroth didn’t.  I can’t ask Andrewtroth about this because they are long gone as an editor.  Should I list my entry as a second edition?  What a mess! [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 05:06, 14 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Author (in error) ==
 
 
I just sent [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6076910 this submission] and then a doubt was born. Please read the pub note about cover art: should I have recorded "Wood (in error)" as artist and then make it an alternate name of Caza's? I saw something similar already in the db. thanks! --[[User:Fantagufo|Fantagufo]] ([[User talk:Fantagufo|talk]]) 17:54, 17 October 2024 (EDT)
 
: Yes - we credit per the publication and then resolve the issue with variants. I approved and swapped and made a variant :) Feel free to fix it more if needed. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:11, 17 October 2024 (EDT)
 
:: thanks a lot, Annie, it's perfect. I resubmitted just to correct a typo and alternate Simak too. --[[User:Fantagufo|Fantagufo]] ([[User talk:Fantagufo|talk]]) 19:25, 17 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== ''The Word for World Is Forest'' ==
 
 
As per [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Why_is_.22The_Word_for_World_is_Forest.22_described_as_a_chapbook.3F this Community Portal discussion], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?32494 ''The Word for World Is Forest''] contains 41.3K-41.6K words, which makes it a NOVEL as opposed to a novella. All active primary verifiers have been notified. We should probably give it a day or two before we start making changes/approving submissions. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:08, 20 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
: No active primary verifier has objected to the proposed change, so I am going to start the conversion process. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:20, 24 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
:: I believe all affected titles and publications have been converted. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:35, 24 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
::: Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:58, 24 October 2024 (EDT)
 
:::: Many thanks! [[User:Evertype|Evertype]] ([[User talk:Evertype|talk]]) 08:32, 26 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Mukai ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6079494, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6079490; Can a mod approve these 2 edits? I need to make artist of S. King's 1983 Playboy story "Word Processor of the Gods", Mukai, [https://www.stephenking1sts.com/wp-content/uploads/Playboy-US-January-1983-Page-173-Word-Processor-of-the-Gods.jpg], an alternate of Dennis Mukai. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:22, 21 October 2024 (EDT)
 
:Done. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:52, 21 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Penguin Press ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=penguin+press&type=Publisher; Someone noted old publisher shouldn't be confused with new one but they're in the same record, anyway, and new publisher was variously entered as Penguin Press or The Penguin Press. At least the 1931 book should be separated since it obviously doesn't belong with the others. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:09, 24 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
: Good catch. I looked it up in {{A|Eric Leif Davin}}'s ''Pioneers of Wonder: Conversations With the Founders of Science Fiction'' and discovered that it was a self-publishing venture by space travel enthusiasts. https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?85560 and the publication record have been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:32, 27 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Black Sun Press ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?41400; Can someone fix to The Black Sun Press? Secession is on Archive.org, other books' title pages are online, all say "The...". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:16, 26 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
: Done. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:33, 27 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Translation Statistics ==
 
 
I don't know how difficult it is to create new statistics, but I wondered if it's possible to create a statistic for Most Translated title? Admittedly this is partly because I'd hope to see some of my own stories on such a list, but also I'm particularly interested in translations (as anyone who has approved my subs may have noticed), and hopefully others might find it interesting too. [[User:GDJ|GDJ]] ([[User talk:GDJ|talk]]) 15:04, 27 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
: It's certainly possible -- {{FR|1618}} has been created. Unfortunately, I am not sure when I may be able to get to it since I am currently working on the Fixer migration, which has an inflexible deadline. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:30, 27 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
::Thanks, I shall wait patiently... [[User:GDJ|GDJ]] ([[User talk:GDJ|talk]]) 06:57, 28 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Images delete (x4) ==
 
 
Please delete the old images at the following: [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:NWWRSNSF631971.jpg January 2016], [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:NWWRTNGSNS1971.jpg January 2026], [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:NWWRTNGSNB1970.jpg March 2012], [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:NWWRTNGSNSF171970.jpg October 2011]. Thanks. Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:37, 28 October 2024 (EDT)
 
:{{done}}Done! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:29, 28 October 2024 (EDT)
 
::Many thanks Joe! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:53, 28 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== Classic Victorian ==
 
 
Shouldn't {{P|245777|this book}} be of type anthology rather than collection? --[[User:Fantagufo|Fantagufo]] ([[User talk:Fantagufo|talk]]) 15:55, 31 October 2024 (EDT)
 
: Yep. Fixed. Thanks for finding it! Some of our older records have peculiarities and need fixing and sometimes the obvious issues are the harderst to spot. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:31, 31 October 2024 (EDT)
 
 
== T(i)na Rath ==
 
 
I suspect that {{A|Tna Rath}} is a mistype: {{A|Tina Rath}} is in ISFDB and has published a few other reviews in the same magazine. Circumstancial evidence... is it enough to submit a correction? or an alternate name? (the PV is not reachable)  --[[User:Fantagufo|Fantagufo]] ([[User talk:Fantagufo|talk]]) 14:17, 4 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
: With the primary verifier no longer with us, we could start by contacting the secondary verifier, Rtrace, who checked [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?381958 the affected ''All Hallows'' issue] against the Locus Index and Miller/Contento last year. Unfortunately, although the [https://www.locusmag.com/index/t745.htm#A37225 Locus Index] is available online, it doesn't list reviews, so it doesn't help. I am not sure if Miller/Contento indexes reviews since I don't own a copy. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:48, 4 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
::Miller/Contento does not ordinarily list individual reviews and does not in this case.  I also checked FictionMags and looked for that issue in the Internet Archive without luck.  From my memory of Bob's edits, typos were not unheard of and I'd guess that's what we're seeing here. Unfortunately, I can't verify that.  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:53, 5 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
::: Thanks for checking, Ron. As you said, Bob struggled with typos during the last few years of his life. If the misspelling had been in the publication, Bob would have likely documented it in Notes. Since it's not mentioned, chances are that it was a data entry error. I would change the author name to "Tina Rath" and add a note explaining that the name was originally recorded in the ISFDB database as "Tna Rath", apparently in error, and ask any future verifiers to check the spelling. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:00, 5 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
:::: Thanks to both. I submitted the change and added the note in both the review title record and the magazine publication record. --[[User:Fantagufo|Fantagufo]] ([[User talk:Fantagufo|talk]]) 14:13, 5 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
::::: Approved, thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:01, 5 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
== Wallace Wes(t) ==
 
 
Similar, but even more suspect: it seems that {{A|Wallace Wes}} and {{A|Wallace West}} made the illustration for the same story in two editions of the same magazine. No PV to ask to. Fixable? Variantable?  --[[User:Fantagufo|Fantagufo]] ([[User talk:Fantagufo|talk]]) 14:39, 4 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
: Checking [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?597199 Edit History], I see that the content items of this issue [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4096651 were added] by [[User:Vasha77]], who no longer participates in this project. I also note that the SF author {{A|Wallace West}} died in 1980 and wasn't responsible for any art (that we know of) during his life. It's overwhelmingly likely that Wallace West the artist is a different person.
 
 
: Since the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?597199 affected issue of ''Shoreline of Infinity''] has another illustration by "Wallace West", I think it's very likely that "Wes" was a data entry error. I would change all art credits to "Wallace West (artist)" and add a note to the affected issue explaining that this INTERIORART record was originally entered as by "Wallace Wes" and that future verifiers will need to double check the spelling of the name. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:05, 4 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
:: Very good. In order to change the author name, does one submit just a TitleUpdate, or also a PubUpdate for each edition? --[[User:Fantagufo|Fantagufo]] ([[User talk:Fantagufo|talk]]) 06:20, 5 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
::: There were three affected INTERIORART title records: one by "Wallace Wes" and two by "Wallace West". I used Edit Title to change their authors to "Wallace West (artist)", then merged the two INTERIORART titles for "The Worm". I have also updated notes in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?597199 the affected issue of ''Shoreline of Infinity'']. It looks like everything is OK now. Thanks for reporting the issue! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:10, 5 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
:::: Thanks to you for doing all the editing...  --[[User:Fantagufo|Fantagufo]] ([[User talk:Fantagufo|talk]]) 11:36, 5 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
== La svastica sul sole ==
 
 
La svastica sul sole Publication Record # 385133. I believe the image link is broken. I have an image but don't want to overstep my boundary. [[User:Aardvark7|aardvark7]] ([[User talk:Aardvark7|talk]]) 17:30, 5 November 2024 (EST)
 
: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?385133 The record]. Yes, it is broken - if you have an image, go ahead and replace it. I will ping Ahasuerus to check the resource itself though - we may need to change more than one. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:48, 5 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
:: It looks like there is good news and bad news. The good news is that Fantascienza.com is still around and still shows the bibliographic data and the images that our records re-use. The bad news is that they have apparently changed their URL scheme.
 
 
:: For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?385133 our record for the 1977 edition of ''La svastica sul sole'' (Italian translation of ''The Man in the High Castle'')] uses an image that was originally available at www.uraniamania.com/images/copertine/0000000002/2529.jpg . However, if you try to access the uraniamania.com URL, you will get a "You don't have permission to access this resource" error. If you pull up the [https://www.fantascienza.com/catalogo/volumi/NILF102098/la-svastica-sul-sole/ Fantascienza record for this edition], you'll see a scan of its cover, which is available at www.fantascienza.com/catalogo/imgbank/cover/02097.jpg .
 
 
:: What this means is that we apparently need to change the image URLs for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_frontimage&O_1=starts_with&TERM_1=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fantascienza&C=AND&USE_2=pub_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=count&START=0&TYPE=Publication 1850 ISFDB publication records that start with "https://www.fantascienza"]. Ideally we would discover that Fantascienza's URL change followed some kind of pattern. Then I could write a script that would change all 1850 URLs programmatically. Unfortunately, I don't see a way to get from "images/copertine/0000000002/2529.jpg", the old URL, to "catalogo/imgbank/cover/02097.jpg", the new URL. Unless we can find a pattern, we may have to do it manually for all 1850 URLs. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:05, 5 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
::: As already noticed in [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#No_more_covers_from_UM.3F this discussion], cover images linked from uraniamania.com (this <i>Svastica sul sole</i> is one of them) are no more accessible. They were 268 covers. I'm in the process of replacing these links with links to fantascienza.com or, in their absence, with new scans from my collection. I already fixed 105, a few more are buried in the submission queue. I am confident that in time I will be able to fix them all. --[[User:Fantagufo|Fantagufo]] ([[User talk:Fantagufo|talk]]) 23:05, 5 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
:::: Great, thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:49, 5 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
== C.B. Fry's Magazine of Sports and Outdoor Life / C.B. Fry's Magazine ==
 
 
could a mod review the edits ive sent in for this series which i'm trying to put in order. I was advised that each mag which has had a name change should have seperate series for each name with each of those having their editor titles as subseries. somebody varianted them which made it a bit harder but i think Im going in the right direction and i'd like to try and get the next steps all sorted while its fresh in the brain. cheers - Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 14:04, 6 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6090328
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6090329
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6090331
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6090332
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6090337
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6090338
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6090339
 
:Approved. I also went ahead and made the follow-on changes since they would have required multiple edits. You can see the result [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?75173 here]. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:03, 7 November 2024 (EST)
 
::thanks for sorting them all out. i've sent in a couple more edits to put the 2 mags in the right order - cheers Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 19:14, 7 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
== Veiled Victory ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=odhay&type=Name; One of these should probably be deleted with note info moved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:59, 7 November 2024 (EST)
 
:Done. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:54, 7 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
== William Hope Hodgson's "Homeward Bound" ==
 
 
This is currently listed as unknown at https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3117659
 
 
It is a retitling of "The `Shamraken' Homeward-Bounder" and appeared as such in THE ROOM OF FEAR AND OTHER GRUES published by the Strange Company in 1988. {{unsigned|Philsp}}
 
 
: Updated, thanks! We don't have ''The Room of Fear and Other Grues'' on file yet, so the alternate title is "publication-less"  for now. I have added a note to ensure that it doesn't get deleted. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:34, 8 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
:: ''The Room of Fear and Other Grues'' has been added. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:36, 10 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
== Joseph Reed ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?271102; Joseph W. was given all the bio info but he has many more credits as just Joseph, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?26680 (not sure about those poems, may be by a different Reed), so probably info should be moved to Joseph and Joseph W. made a variant name along with 1 credit as by Joe Reed I just found, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?243318. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:22, 10 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
: The 2 poems appeared in a UK fanzine and use predominantly UK images/terms like "High Street", so they were probably written by a different Joseph Reed. On the other hand, the essays and the art titles were apparently done by the same person: they are mostly related to Kid Reed's works and Kit Reed was married to Joseph Reed. In addition, the Library of Congress mentions that he was an artist.
 
 
: I am going to go ahead and separate/link the records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:53, 10 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
:: Done. Thanks for identifying the issue! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:56, 10 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
== another cover upload cock up ==
 
 
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:DGNKMPLZZZ1984.jpg
 
 
sorry folks could somebody cancel this wrong cover please - cheers gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 20:10, 16 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
:As requested, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:55, 16 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
== Chapbook to Collection conversion ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6098719
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6098723
 
 
I've sent in these to to change the chapbook title from chapbook to collection. i think I need that to happen before the publications can be changed (hope i'm going about this the right way) so if a mod can review them I can crack on while itsfresh in the brain. cheers Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 08:25, 20 November 2024 (EST)
 
:From everything I can see about this one, it should likely be a NOVEL, not a CHAPBOOK or COLLECTION (the print version is 192 pages, too). The preview on Amazon.co.uk makes it look like a novel, and I can't see anything that indicates it's a collection of short fiction. Do you have information showing they are collections of short fiction? I've placed these submissions on hold until we can sort that out.  ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:36, 20 November 2024 (EST)
 
::yes mate like the edit says ive got the physical book in hand. the 2 stories are just called "Story One" and "Story Two" and there is no contents page and each story is divided into seven chapters numbered 1-7 for each. the amazon preview shows the "story one" heading at 45% of sample but obviously doesnt go as far as story 2.  Ive had several of these bumper editions out of the library and edited the entries to show the short fiction contents. they all have 2 stories, sometimes theres a contents page which lists them and sometimes not. sometimes the stories have a name and sometimes not as the entries for some on the BQ series page will show. slowly putting the local library thru its paces via inter-library loans hoping to do thewhole lot. - cheers - Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 13:00, 20 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
::: I have found a PDF version of this book online. "Story One" ends with the following exchange:
 
:::* ''Can you take us to Rion, Epos?'' Tom sent the thought out to the Good Beast.
 
:::* The Flame Bird alighted beside them, her eyes shining. She dipped her head in agreement. The battle wasn't lost yet.
 
:::* "To Rion!" Tom cried.
 
::: "Story Two" starts with:
 
:::* Daltec's face was green as he clung to Epos's feathers.
 
:::* "I don't understand why we couldn't use magic to travel to Rion," he said.
 
::: It looks like the publisher artificially split a single book into 2 "stories", perhaps to make it easier for the target audience (children age 7+) to handle.
 
::: As to whether this story is a NOVEL in ISFDB terms, I have checked the word count of a few text-only pages with very little dialog. They contain anywhere between 120 and 140 words. Even if all 182 pages of the actual story were like that, 140 times 182 would only add up to 25K words. Moreover, many pages have large, sometimes full-page, illustrations and some pages are blank. I am reasonably sure that the actual word count is well under 20K. An online PDF-to-text converter created a slightly garbled TXT file with 14.3K words. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:49, 20 November 2024 (EST)
 
::::mate you can speculate til the cows come home about the publishers/writers intentions but all we know for certain is that that these books are presented as 2 seperate stories.
 
::::re the length each of the stories - each of the stories in the bumper editions ive looked at are less than 100 pages with a shed load of pictures and a full page of text is approx 100-120 words.  the ordinary/non bumper edition BQ books are 110-130 pages but with a lower word density per page so probably about the same length and the one I counted by hand was so close to the SS/novelette boundary that i left the length as blank. I would be surprised if a bumper edition book book got into the novella range. - Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 19:23, 20 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
::::: It's not uncommon for authors and/or publishers to organize novels as "Arcs", "Books" or "Volumes", each one with multiple chapters. For example, consider [https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/2600/pg2600.txt ''War and Piece''], which consists of 15 "Books", each one with 15-40 chapters, plus 2 "Epilogues" with a couple dozen chapters. Similarly, [https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/1184/pg1184.txt ''The Count of Monte Cristo''] is organized as 5 "volumes", each one with dozens of chapters. To use an SF example, Eugene Sue's novel [https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/3350/pg3350.txt ''The Wandering Jew''] has 11 "volumes", each one with many chapters. No one lists these novels as series of 15, 5 or 11 works.
 
::::: The book in question, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2999425 ''Anoret the First Beast''], is organized as two "stories", but they do not have individual titles and there is no plot separation between the two: "Story One" ends with "To Rion!" and "Story Two" starts with the characters traveling to Rion. Overall I would say that the two "stories" are similar to other novels' arcs/books/volumes as discussed above. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:09, 20 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
::::::well as already mentioned in some of the BQ bumper editions the two stories are named and displayed on the contents page with those names. in others its just story one and story two again sometimes on the contents page and sometimes with no contents page as with this one. I dont think ive got any more to add to the discussion so i'll leave it there.  I'm the only pv for several of these that were converted to collections so if anybody gets in touch about redoing them i'll divert them to this thread. cheers _ Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 20:37, 20 November 2024 (EST)
 
:::::::Re the BQ seies as a whole there are still 58 of the main series that need to be converted from novel to chapbook and 17 of the bumper editions that should be converted from novel to chapbook/collection. Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 08:14, 21 November 2024 (EST)
 
::::::::after 2 months on hold suddenly gets approved - no reason given... - Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:42, 17 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
== My submissions ==
 
 
Could a moderator please have a look at my submissions that have been in the queue now for 3-4 days? Apologies in advance if I seem impatient - it's not my intention to be pushy, I'm just not sure if my submissions have somehow fallen too far down the queue to be noticed anymore.
 
 
In case it helps, here's an overview:
 
 
* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6096852 This one] adds a cover image that I've uploaded and - more importantly in my opinion - restores a pub note I had added in 2012 and that was later deleted by Bluesman in 2017. The submission's mod notes contain a deep link into Dirk P. Broer's talk page archives where in 2012 the discussion took place that caused the original pub note to be added.
 
* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6097624 This one] fixes the cover artist credits. The submission's mod notes contain the link to my talk page where the discussion is that is the basis of the change. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6097625 This one] then removes the wrong cover art title. I expect to follow up these submissions for some final cleanup (e.g. delete a title record).
 
* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6097627 This one] restores the price to my PV'ed pub that was accidentally overwritten. Again, the submission's mod notes contain the link to my talk page with the relevant discussion.
 
 
Thanks, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 11:56, 22 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
:don't fret bonny lad they have not forgotten about you. theres a bijou backlogette at the mo so it may take a week or 2 but it will get sorted out. in the meantime chill out with a few don revies and a pete murray like yours truly! - Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 19:20, 22 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
:: I have approved/massaged the submissions listed above -- please see your Talk page for details. Sorry about the delays -- it's been hectic for a variety of reasons, including recent changes at Amazon which caused some issues on the back end. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:00, 23 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
::: Thanks a lot for your help, also for demonstrating the (undocumented I believe) convention to use the " (in error)" suffix for an erroneously credited (cover) artist. Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 14:50, 25 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
:::: Thanks for pointing out that the "(in error)" convention is not documented in Help! I have started a Rules and Standards discussion. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:52, 26 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
== Artist fix: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?143561 Bruce Mccall] --> Bruce McCall ==
 
 
Could a moderator please do the transformation? Bruce McCall was a long-time artist working primarily for "The New Yorker" magazine; he also has a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_McCall Wikipedia entry]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:19, 23 November 2024 (EST)
 
:Done. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:25, 23 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
::Thanks! Just submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6101857 this artist update]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:35, 24 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
== Ludwig von Wolfgang Vulture ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6101690; A rare "bad checksum" case. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:45, 23 November 2024 (EST)
 
:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?3690; Should publisher of the above be changed to Price Stern Sloan so it fits in with all the others? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:49, 23 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
== Schalken ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6103950; The issue with this is that a search on Google Books reveals the story title to be "A Strange Event in the Life of Schalken the Painter" which is not used for any of the dozens of reprints of it on ISFDB. Also, I can't get a hit on how the author is credited in the book; he used so many names over the years. A text search on IA, https://archive.org/search?query=%22A+Strange+Event+in+the+Life+of+Schalken+the+Painter%22&sin=TXT&sort=-addeddate, gets 115 hits, many of them duplicates but still with several that make me think the title starting with "A..." was used sometimes. So, if a mod cares to search Google's copy and can discover what the name used in the book is then title variant and author can be entered. Of course, checking every book the story appears in here would be required, too, to determine if "A..." was ever used in case anyone has the patience to do that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:20, 26 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
== Vanmeter ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?4663; I just added an archived link to Trinity Grove and while font on title page is unclear the copyright page says VanMeter as does "read sample" on Amazon of his later novel so a mod may want to capitalize the M in his middle name in his record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:39, 27 November 2024 (EST)
 
:Done. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:44, 28 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
== Nebula Winners Sixteen ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34104; I was adding archived links and other stuff to the 5 volumes titled Nebula winners and this last one, I think, should have the UK HC merge titles with the UK PB, shouldn't it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:56, 29 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
== Born of the Sun: Adventures in Our Solar System ==
 
 
Alas I submitted my edit for {{P|795199|Born of the Sun: Adventures in Our Solar System}} too early - my submission contains stuff in the pub notes that I wanted to remove first. Please do not reject the submission because of that (it was quite some work), I will clean up the pub notes with another edit once the first submission has been accepted. Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 14:23, 29 November 2024 (EST)
 
:Approved. Clean away! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:13, 29 November 2024 (EST)
 
:: Cleanup done. Thanks a lot. Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 08:21, 30 November 2024 (EST)
 
 
== TM or ™ in titles ==
 
 
I can't find anything in the help about TM (trademark) in titles. Maybe something should be added. Here are 3 title pages with examples, and there may be more: {{T|2635|2635}}, {{T|15001|15001}}, {{T|1074920|1074920}}. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_title&O_1=contains&TERM_1=alien&C=AND&USE_2=title_title&O_2=contains&TERM_2=tm&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title this search] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=contains&TERM_1=alien&C=AND&USE_2=pub_title&O_2=contains&TERM_2=tm&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication this one] don't reveal all because of the Unicode character used. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:10, 3 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
: There are a few relevant instructions in [[Help:Screen:NewPub]]:
 
:* "Title" says: "''Fonts''. Do not use embedded HTML outside of Notes/Synopsis fields. If the title has one or more words in italics, boldface, or another unusual font, and the font seems important, it can be shown and/or described in a note."
 
:* "Author(s)" says: "''Non-English characters''. Non-English characters, including accented Latin characters and all other Unicode characters, should be entered exactly as they appear in the publication."
 
:* "Transliterated Title" says: "Populate only if the title is spelled using a non-Latin alphabet/script."
 
: If I recall correctly, some editors apply the first (''Fonts'') rule above to enter "™" as "tm" since they figure that "™" counted as an "unusual font". I also recall editors apply the second and third rules above to enter "™" in the "Title" field and "tm" in the Transliterated Title field.
 
: I am not sure if this topic has been discussed on the Rules and Standards page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:32, 3 December 2024 (EST)
 
::I would support opening a discussion about it. Except in a very few and rare cases, the TM is not part of the title, but simply an indicator something is a trademark. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:00, 3 December 2024 (EST)
 
:::Yes, I think it should be discussed, and I agree with "the TM is not part of the title, but simply an indicator something is a trademark". If editors can interpret guidance in different ways, then the wording needs reviewing. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:08, 3 December 2024 (EST)
 
::::Kev, I remember this topic from 2021. My understanding is ™ may only be used for fictitious trademarks. Real trademarks are not allowed. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_title&O_1=contains&TERM_1=%99&C=AND&USE_2=title_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title Current titles] using the symbol number 127. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:10, 3 December 2024 (EST)
 
:::::Good, that's the search term I was looking for. Please clarify your understanding of 'Real trademarks are not allowed'. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:23, 3 December 2024 (EST)
 
::::::"Robbie the Robot Drinks a Coke™", remove the trademark . "Robbie the Robot Drives a Starmobile™" is fine. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:37, 3 December 2024 (EST)
 
:::::::Ok, got that. What I should have asked was, do you know where it's codified that real trademarks are not allowed. Also, I can't replicate that search from a clean start. How did you enter 127? And... the 3 pubs in the titles (at the top here) don't show up in your search. Confused, but thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:11, 3 December 2024 (EST)
 
::::::::127 was the number of titles using the symbol at the time I ran the search. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:35, 3 December 2024 (EST)
 
::::::::There are also 18 [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=contains&TERM_1=%99&C=AND&USE_2=pub_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication publications] using the symbol. Three of which you noted above. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:49, 3 December 2024 (EST)
 
:::::::::Yes, a Title and a Publication search gets them all. Thanks for clarifying! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:00, 3 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
== Incorrect Anthology Example in Help ==
 
 
Recently, I was looking at [[Template:PublicationFields:PubType]] which states in the bullet point ANTHOLOGY:
 
<br>'For example, "Late Knight Edition" contains stories by both Damon Knight and Kate Wilhelm, individually; this is an anthology, not a collection.'
 
<br>However, {{T|29373|Late Knight Edition}} is a collection and contains no stories by Kate Wilhelm.
 
<br>I guess this was once recorded as an anthology but was changed to collection and so the Help is now out of line.
 
Could a moderator please replace this with a correct example? Ideally, a good example would have stories by just two authors but I cannot think of one. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:17, 3 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
===Anthology===
 
So it currently states:
 
:ANTHOLOGY. A publication containing fiction by more than one author, not written in collaboration, should be typed as an ANTHOLOGY. For example, "Late Knight Edition" contains stories by both Damon Knight and Kate Wilhelm, individually; this is an anthology, not a collection. If a book of Conan stories contains stories which are all partly or wholly by Robert E. Howard, it is a collection; if one or more of the stories is by Lin Carter or L. Sprague de Camp, not in collaboration with Howard, then the book is an anthology.
 
How about this?
 
:ANTHOLOGY. A publication containing multiple SHORTFICTION or POEM titles, each by one or more different authors, should be entered as an ANTHOLOGY. For example: ''{{P|225533|Dangerous Visions}}'' contains multiple titles, with each by different authors, so it is therefore an ANTHOLOGY. Alternately, ''{{P|34074|The Sword Woman}}'' contains stories which are all partly or wholly by Robert E. Howard (with one collaboration with Gerald W. Page), so it is a COLLECTION rather than an ANTHOLOGY.  If you are unsure about whether it should be an ANTHOLOGY or a COLLECTION, please open a discussion on [[ISFDB:Community Portal|the Community Portal]].
 
I shortened it a bit. Not sure if this is significant enough to warrant a R&S discussion. Thoughts? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:04, 3 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
===Collection===
 
And going with that, here's a proposed update to the COLLECTION bullet. Currently:
 
:COLLECTION. A publication containing two or more works of SHORTFICTION or POEMs by a single author or authors writing in collaboration should be typed as a COLLECTION. The typing of individual publications which contain works with various combinations of author credit should be discussed on the Community Portal on a case-by-case basis. The title page credit should be the major factor in determining the types of these kinds of publications. Excerpts from other works published after a NOVEL for promotional purposes do not make the publication into a COLLECTION.
 
Proposed new text:
 
:COLLECTION. A publication containing multiple SHORTFICTION or POEM titles, all by a single author or that single author writing in collaboration with one or more authors, should be entered as a COLLECTION. For example, ''{{P|34074|The Sword Woman}}'' contains stories which are all partly or wholly by Robert E. Howard (with one collaboration with Gerald W. Page), so it is a COLLECTION. Note that excerpts from other works published after a NOVEL for promotional purposes do not make the publication into a COLLECTION. If you are unsure about whether it should be an ANTHOLOGY or a COLLECTION, please open a discussion on [[ISFDB:Community Portal|the Community Portal]].
 
Thoughts? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:10, 3 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
:: After re-reading [[Template:PublicationFields:PubType]], I think it contains enough minor discrepancies to warrant a separate Rules and Standards discussion. For example, the following proposed instruction:
 
::* ANTHOLOGY. A publication containing multiple SHORTFICTION or POEM titles, each by one or more different authors, should be entered as an ANTHOLOGY.
 
:: would turn a COLLECTION with a single promotional excerpt from a work by another author into an ANTHOLOGY. Also, a while back we added detailed instructions for determining what counts as a CHAPBOOK, but the other sections of the Help template were not updated, which can cause confusion.
 
:: For now, I would replace the incorrect example in this template with a correct example, then wait for the current list of R&S proposals to be handled and starts a new R&S discussion. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:08, 4 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
:::I agree. Let's just correct the example for the time being. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:26, 4 December 2024 (EST)
 
:::Corrected. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:13, 4 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
== 11/8 ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6110475; Is it correct to remove Tuck note now that a copy was uploaded? I did a search here and this is the only book with an 11/8 price so I assume the late PV just made a mistake or had a copy without a jacket and got the price from somewhere else or something like that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:24, 3 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
: I can think of a few different scenarios:
 
:* The primary verifier's copy actually had "11/8" printed due to it being a later version of the dust jacket
 
:* The primary verifier's copy had a sticker with "11/8" on top of the printed price (not uncommon in the UK) and he didn't realize that we don't record sticker prices. As [[Help:Screen:NewPub]] says: "if the price change is via a stickered label, the price change should be ignored."
 
:* A data entry error: the primary verifier meant to type "11/6", but typed "11/8" by mistake
 
:* "11/8" came from a secondary source, which wasn't documented
 
: Since we can't ask the verifier, I think the safe thing to do would be to enter "11/6" as the price, cite the archive.org scan as our source, and note that the original primary verifier, who is no longer available, entered the price as "11/8", either due to a data entry error or because he had a later printing of the dust jacket. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:28, 4 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
:: I have approved the modified submission and added a clarification explaining why we can't ask the primary verifier. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:22, 5 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
== Forgotten Edits... ==
 
 
Good day to all,
 
Firstly I would like to say thank you for taking the time checking and authorising my edits. Many of you have been extremely helpful. I have a question about some of them. I have had a number of edits authorised in the past couple of months, some rather quicker than most. But I still have a block of them from October that haven't been picked up. Can anyone explain why?
 
If there is something wrong with them could someone let me know and I can re-edit following the correct procedure. 
 
Many thanks for your time and patience with new starters like myself.
 
[[User:ReadingMovies|ReadingMovies]] ([[User talk:ReadingMovies|talk]]) 08:04, 5 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
: Sorry about the delays! It's nothing personal, just a backlog across the board. I have approved a few of your October submissions and left a note on your Talk page. Thanks for the submissions! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:16, 5 December 2024 (EST)
 
::That's fine, I've seen from the talk pages etc. The issues you all face. I was just concerned as many of my November edits were being looked at, but those October ones were missed. I'm particularly keen to see the 'Salem's Lot clone approved so I can add the cover art. This edition is fairly rare (and unusual in that New English Library had two pb editions released simultaneously with separate ISBNs) and missing from the record. --Lewis [[User:ReadingMovies|ReadingMovies]] ([[User talk:ReadingMovies|talk]]) 14:16, 5 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
== New Legends ==
 
 
I have acquired a copy of the first edition of {{P|23740|New Legends}} which besides me is only PV'ed by Bluesman. I would like to make a number of changes, so as per the note on [[User_talk:Bluesman|Bluesman's talk page]] I'm asking here how to proceed:
 
 
* There is a pub note "Exact date from laid-in publisher's review slip [PV2]" - as I am now the PV2 this is factually wrong. Since I have no idea who the original PV2 was, I would like to rephrase the note to something like "Exact date from laid-in publisher's review slip [unknown previous PV]".
 
* The pub record currently uses the story title "Coming of Age in Karhide". This is wrong. The title on page 85 is given as "Coming of Age in Karhide by Sov Thade Tage em Ereb, of Rer, in Karhide, on Gethen". The actual author credit is then given on a new line: "(by Ursula K. Le Guin)".
 
** First the publication needs to be amended
 
** But I believe also the title / variant title record relationship should be reversed, i.e. the {{T|327641|long title}} which is currently a variant title should be the main title, and the {{T|43682|short title}} which is currently the main title should become a variant title.
 
** The title note of the {{T|327641|long title}} is factually wrong and should be removed.
 
** The title note of the {{T|43682|short title}} in my opinion does not bring much value, because the information about first publication is readily available from the publication history of the title. So I propose to also remove this title note, but I have no strong opinion about this.
 
* I would like to record the "Epilog" on page 419 as a new title "Epilog (New Legends)" without an author, i.e. using author "uncredited". It's a very short piece written in a melancholic style, not really a poem, but also not an essay => I would type it as short fiction of short story length.
 
 
Do I have permission to perform these changes? Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 12:29, 6 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
:Yes, you can proceed changing the pub, but I would hold off on swapping the parent / variant. Some comments:
 
:*Looking at the pub edit history, Hauck was likely the former PV2. I suggest changing the comment to "Exact date from laid-in publisher's review slip [from a former PV]".
 
:*There are other New Legends publications with active verifiers. I suggest checking with them on whether similar changes should be made in their publications as well.
 
:*We base the parent on what is the most common used title. The shorter form is more common than the longer one so should stay the parent.
 
:*The note on the variant can definitely be removed after your changes. The note on parent, while not needed, is not wrong so I would suggest leaving. Some people like to have them and we have not had a community consensus (that I know of) to remove them.
 
:--&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:40, 9 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
:: I have started the editing process. Once everything is in order I will ping the verifiers of the other publications. Thanks for your help, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 14:08, 9 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
:::I agree with [[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]], it looks like Hauck (who pulled all PV's). Instead of "from a former PV", take advantage of the new template <nowiki>{{PV|Hauck}}</nowiki>. This is its purpose. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:20, 9 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
:::: Uh-oh, just saw Hauck's talk page, was not aware that he's dropped out ;(. But to the point: <nowiki>{{PV|Hauck}}</nowiki> looks like a Mediawiki template, but doesn't seem to be one. Is it some kind of notation that can be used in pub notes? Can you give me a pointer to where I can look up its usage? Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 18:00, 10 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
:::::See [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields#Linking_Templates Linking templates]. The discussion which led to its creation is [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Impose_restrictions_on_PV_removal.3F here] Finally, an [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?352387 example]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:08, 10 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
:::::: Thanks for the pointer to the pub notes templates - another cool ISFDB feature that is new to me. Editing is finished now. I have notified the remaining active verifiers [[User_talk:BanjoKev#New_Legends|here]] and [[User_talk:Stonecreek#New_Legends|here]] (Mhhutchins via email). Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 14:16, 15 December 2024 (EST)
 
:(Outdent) For what it is worth I checked the first US edition of {{P|209357|New Legends}} and on its copyright acknowledements p. 5 and TOC p. 7 the short title is given, and on the first page of the story the short title is given and then (rather nicely) below that the fictitious author in a different font, with the real author's name given in parentheses "(Ursula K. Le Guin)". [[User:Evertype|Evertype]] ([[User talk:Evertype|talk]]) 09:48, 18 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
== Cosmographs (Harmonographs) ==
 
 
The illustrations used for these publications; [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1342194 Marooned] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188961 New Writings in S-F1], are cosmographs published by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?163931 Photo-Lettering, Inc] in this book [https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000H5ILKO/gedit-20 Alphabet Thesaurus: A Treasury of Letter Designs, Vol. 2 (on Amazon)]. Most of the book comprises lettering fonts, and is of no interest to us, but one section is devoted to cosmographs. Would this be eligible for inclusion under the Rules of Acquisition? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:22, 6 December 2024 (EST)
 
:As it is not speculative fiction, not about speculative fiction, and not by an author above the threshold, it is not eligible. I would see this similar to including an art history book because it has paintings that have been used as art in speculative fiction books. We are primarily a written speculative fiction database and art is secondary. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:46, 9 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
== FootSteps Press ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?33085; Oliver's collection doesn't belong with the others from the old horror small-press publisher, I just added another book from her, Taking the Waters, by the same publisher plus a novel, Midrak Earthshaker, by someone else, it should be written as FootSteps Press but software doesn't seem to accept that, must be a mod-only thing so if someone can fix that and separate the 3 modern books into their own record, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:07, 8 December 2024 (EST)
 
:I changed the newer books to {{Pubr|85922|FootSteps Press (UK)}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:11, 22 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
== Ghostbusters 1st Edn. Richard Mueller ==
 
 
This is just a polite request for your thoughts before I think of making a change to this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?274778 publication]. I have messaged inactive PV [[User_talk:Don_Erikson#Ghostbusters_Novelization_1st_Edn|Don Erikson]] in case they respond. But wondered if I could make a couple of edits to this publication.
 
'''Firstly'''; the largest change would be to include the official subtitle into the record: "The Supernatural Spectacular" which is its common name amongst fans and noted on the cover and title page. This would help differentiate it from other versions (such as the UK Larry Milne edn).
 
'''Secondly'''; I wish to add some notes regarding the logo direction, internet sites (particularly the Ghostbusters wiki which has copious notes on the title) and the Archive.org record.
 
Please let me know what you all think. Many thanks. [[User:ReadingMovies|ReadingMovies]] ([[User talk:ReadingMovies|talk]]) 10:49, 15 December 2024 (EST)
 
:Sure, it is ok to make edits, especially if you're going to make yourself an additional primary verifier.  We already have a couple of archive.org links, if there are more you're welcome to add them.  As for information about the logo and the movie...  The focus here is the book, not the movie or the general Ghostbusters phenomenon, so use your judgement.  --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:56, 19 December 2024 (EST)
 
::Thanks for the reply. The edit will change the title name to what is written on the title page and cover so should be fine. I don't own these US editions but can add a source link in the mod notes. Any notes added will reflect the books - the logo direction change is the number one way of identifying the earlier editions of GB merchandise before the reversed one for the reprint. Will make the change in the coming days citing this conversation. Many thanks. [[User:ReadingMovies|ReadingMovies]] ([[User talk:ReadingMovies|talk]]) 14:27, 22 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
== The Trouble Twisters / inactive primary verifier ==
 
 
I would like to make significant changes to the SFBC UK edition of {{P|213925|The Trouble Twisters}} by Poul Anderson, as outlined on the [[User_talk:Karamazow#The_Trouble_Twisters|talk page of Karamazow]], the other primary verifier. I asked Karamazow for confirmation two weeks ago, both on their wiki page and via the wiki email-system (which works in principle, I received a copy of the email because I have configured my account with an email address), but did not receive a response, which is maybe not surprising because they have been inactive since 2012. Can someone please advise how to proceed? Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 14:31, 15 December 2024 (EST)
 
:Go for it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:38, 19 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
== Image deletions ==
 
 
Please delete these old images; [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:NWWRTNGSNSF21964.jpg Aug 2024], [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:NWWRTNGSNS1966.jpg Apr 2011], [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:NWWRTNGSNG1966.jpg Sep 2024], [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:NWWRSNSF5C1965.jpg Jan 2019], [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:NWWRTNGSNS1967.jpg Aug 2024], [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:NWWRTNGSNB1967.jpg Jan 2016], [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:NWWRSNSF5D1965.jpg Jan 2019], [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:NWWRSNSF601966.jpg Sep 2024], [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:NWWRTNGSND1967.jpg Sep 2009], [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:NWWRTNGSNSF101967.jpg Oct 2015], [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:NWWRTNGSNS1969.jpg Apr 2017], [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:NWWRTNGSNSF211973.jpg Mar 2011], [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THMNNTHHG2H0000.jpg Feb 2023]. Phew! Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 06:15, 18 December 2024 (EST)
 
: As requested, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:50, 18 December 2024 (EST)
 
::Thanks John. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:24, 18 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
== Aldine ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6123377; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6123378; I don't know if the issue with note about publisher being lost if name is changed is still a thing but if it is the Aldine note will need cut-and-pasting. Aldine Publishing Co. was from Boston, USA, so I changed it to differ from much later UK PB publisher. Although from what I can tell their name should really be The Aldine Publishing Company; when these edits are approved I'll have to determine, if possible, whether all their books on ISFDB use that longer name. If their name is changed in title record will that change it for all their books or do those have to be changed one-by-one? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:36, 19 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
:If you edit the Publisher field in a pub record, you delete the reference to the previous name and create a reference to the new name (you are changing who published the book, not the publisher's name).  If the pub record you are editing was the only/last one to refer to the publisher with the original name, the publisher record will be deleted.  If someone goes to a publisher record and edits the publisher's name there, all pub records referring to that publisher will reflect the name change -- that is changing the publisher's name, not who published the book(s). Your submissions were approved, and I can't figure out what the state was before that, so I can't comment on the rest of your note/question.  --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:27, 28 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
== Best of Science Fiction ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6125164; PV is gone, title is not Best but The Best, can a mod approve edit and then merge with parent title, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:01, 21 December 2024 (EST)
 
:Approved and fixed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:50, 22 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
== Nuvision ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?59812; Based on their Blackwood book I just edited the publisher should be written as NuVision Publications. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:20, 27 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
:Agreed.  Fixed. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:17, 28 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
== Christopher Wood ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?16135; I've made an edit changing story author to Wood (IV) but Wood (artist) and Wood (II) seem to be the same guy so mod may want to look into that and merge; also, where's Wood (III)? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:18, 29 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
== Prinzessin Brambilla ==
 
 
Hoffmann's {{T|2850059|Prinzessin Barmbilla}} is in the DB as a novella, but the (original) text downloaded from [https://archive.org/details/prinzessinbrambi00hoff_0 archive.org] is 46 Kwords. Shouldn't it become a novel? --[[User:Fantagufo|Fantagufo]] ([[User talk:Fantagufo|talk]]) 14:06, 30 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
== Heiresses of Russ 2011 ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1358229; One of those HC records should probably be deleted as redundant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:49, 30 December 2024 (EST)
 
:Done. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:54, 31 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
== I Am Legend ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6131665; No "and Other Stories" on title page, after approval of my edit can a mod get rid of the variant and merge it with the others? Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:51, 30 December 2024 (EST)
 
:Done. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:49, 31 December 2024 (EST)
 
 
== Chasing editor (and approver?) of an invalid edit ==
 
 
Hi, could someone with the appropriate level of privs to see author edit histories please let me know who else has worked on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?369286 this author record]?  The statement "Chinese author with 'Luobote Suoye' (Robert Sawyer) pseudonym." is incorrect, these are translations of essays by Saywer.  (The essays associated with this author record came from a publication I entered, and which I have PVed, although for various reasons, never properly finished off.)
 
 
Also, I can see from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?973163 the edit history of that pub] that Dirk removed a title on 2024-03-08.  However, there's no entry for this on my changed primary verifications page - is that a bug?  (NB: I haven't yet dug into what exactly was removed; quite possibly that was perfectly legit - I'm more curious about the edit-to-a-PVed-pub aspect.)
 
 
I'm just going to go through and clean up the titles/authors related to this pub - which to be clear, are absolutely down to me not finishing a job I started.  However, I'm a bit unnerved how/why an invented factoid got into the database.  [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:15, 1 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
:Here are the three submissions in the edit history [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5783208 Zapp], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5937049 Dirk P Broer], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5969528 Rtrace]. Hope that helps, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:29, 1 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
:Removing and importing titles does not currently show up as a change notification. I believe that is on the requested features, but it was not part of the original notification system. The removed title is no longer accessible (so deleted or merged). I'll ping Dirk about this post. It is awhile back, but perhaps he remembers what happened. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:39, 1 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
:: Thanks both.  Having since dug a bit deeper, I found that there was [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?379520 a second Chinese Robert J. Sawyer / 罗伯特·索耶] author record created by Rtrace as part of the 2024 Hugo voter packet, so I'm guessing this might have come from an unnecessary disambiguation?  Anyway, I'm in the process of switching all these titles to use that author, and creating English parent title records as appropriate, so the author record I linked at the top of this item will disappear imminently.  [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 11:30, 1 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
::: As far as I can recall, it had to do with the two Chinese 罗伯特索耶 records for Robert J. Sawyer.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 15:50, 2 January 2025 (EST)
 
::: Then again, it might also have been the essay that said that it was an interview in its title, that I(?) re-entered as interview after which I deleted the essay.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 16:09, 2 January 2025 (EST)
 
:::: Thanks, all the Sawyer-related stuff should now be resolved.  [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:03, 6 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
== Farewell to the cover picture ==
 
 
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:FRWLLTTHLR2022.jpg
 
 
Can a mod delete this invalid upload please. cheers - Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 08:45, 2 January 2025 (EST)
 
:As requested. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:04, 2 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
== ? ==
 
 
Why exactly did I, while importing stories into Rick Hautala's collection Glimpses a few minutes ago, get a notice that I had to log in to my account for the first time in years? Is someone screwing around here? Didn't I already have a problem a while back with someone hacking my user page? Or is this not specific to me but a site-wide problem? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:32, 2 January 2025 (EST)
 
:The cookies that remember who you are always have an expiration date, so it's likely the cookies simply expired. All you need to do is login again. I had to do that a while back. No, you didn't have a problem with someone "hacking" your userpage, either. All pages on the wiki side of the site can be edited by any user on the site unless the page has been protected (which very rarely happens). Another editor made an inappropriate edit to your page, it was reversed, and they were told to not do that again. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:33, 2 January 2025 (EST)
 
::I remember when I made my first post here in mid-December of 2020 relaying info I found about an obscure book and continued on in that vein with quite a few more of those for a few weeks before JLaTondre got back from vacation, I think, and informed me that that's not how it's done, that I was supposed to make my own edits, and so I did so for the first time, I think, in January of 2021. So how would I go about determining the date I last logged in and where would the cookie be located so I can check the date? I'm very suspicious/paranoid by nature and am not buying that it was an expired cookie; I'm not shy about expressing my political leanings and would not doubt that someone did it just to mess with me. I mean, they sent people to kill the guy and one of them nearly succeeded, a little computer hacking would hardly bother them. On a related note, recently I totally randomly came across some Wikipedia page, I think, where they actually mention the nonsense about someone on ISFDB being transphobic because they wouldn't immediately drop everything else that needed doing here and kowtow to their bullying about changing someone's "dead name" and actually refer to the legitimate one-sentence question I wrote a year earlier that I forgot about as soon as I wrote it and which never received any response as some sort of proof. People are strange. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:27, 2 January 2025 (EST)
 
:::As cookies are set on the user side (rather than the server side), there's no way someone can change them or delete them on your end without access to your computer. When they expire, your browser deletes them (and you can delete them yourself in every browser of which I'm aware; this is somewhere in the settings for the browser on your computer). Unless you know how to create cookies (and each browser does them slightly differently), I wouldn't recommend trying to edit them yourself. They are generally hidden deep within the arcane temporary files created by each browser to keep track of your browsing history, usernames and passwords for any sites you login to, and other files the browser needs to operate. If you really want to try to look at your cookies, directly (rather than the abbreviated version you can see within your browser settings), there are likely tutorials out there on the web that can show you (probably) how to fiddle with them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 21:12, 2 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
== Forced ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6137260; A mod forced an edit of mine which ended up rejected, they apparently didn't notice there was an address in the edit for the publisher which I added and they didn't bother to cut-and-paste it or inform me so I would know, I just happened to check, it's hard to remember my edits afterwards because I've done so many by the time the previous ones are finally approved, this same mod reverted my replacement cover for Mistress Masham's Repose which they also did months ago for some of my other cover images without telling me why, so if one of you could approve my Repose and Circinatum Press edits, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:39, 6 January 2025 (EST)
 
:A forced edit means the the edit is no longer valid; that something has changed in the database since the edit was submitted (usually because the edited record no longer exists). When this conditions happens, the software detects the condition and the only option it gives is to force reject the submission. This is not something a moderator has a choice in. Looking into this specific issue, the reason this happened is you made [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6133660 this edit] and since this is the only book by this publisher, it caused the "Circinatum" publisher record to be deleted and a new "Circinatum Press" publisher to be created once approved. Your subsequent edit to the "Circinatum" publisher record was then invalid because the record no longer existed. When there is a forced edit, the only thing moderators can review is the raw XML for the edit which is not always easy to parse. As for the cover art, if you have a question on that, you should reach out to the specific moderator and ask. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:42, 7 January 2025 (EST)
 
::I just had a discussion with a mod about this issue; maybe one of the mods who work behind-the-scenes should come up with a fix so that changing a publisher's name doesn't delete any info. That probably should have been done many years ago. With the amount of edits I do on a daily basis it's hard sometimes to remember all the rules and what changes what and so on. Especially since agreement on what some of these rules are can't even be agreed upon. All the mod had to do was leave me a message saying he forced one of my edits; I used to check every one of my edits after approval but can't do that anymore because there are so many and I just don't have the time/patience. I just happened to see this one; if I hadn't the address probably would never have been entered again because I would have totally forgotten about it and I doubt anyone else would ever have done so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:21, 7 January 2025 (EST)
 
:::There ''is'' a way to change a publisher name without deleting any info. In this case, since there was only one entry for the publisher, the best way to change it would have been to request a mod edit the publisher name. That preserves the existing publisher record and prevents subsequent edits to that record from becoming invalid. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:54, 7 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
(unindent)
 
This is part of a larger issue that we debated in the early 2010s. When editing a publication record, you can modify 3 fields which point to other records:
 
* Author(s)
 
* Publisher
 
* Publication Series
 
Modifying one of their values (or, in the case of the Author field, multiple values) can result in the "pointed to" record becoming an orphan. For example:
 
* Pull up a NOVEL publication record whose author is "A" and whose NOVEL title is "A"
 
* Change the author of the publication record to "B"
 
* Change the author of the NOVEL title record to "B"
 
If there are no other publications or titles associated with author "A", it will become an "orphan" once the submission is approved. The same thing can happen when changing "Publisher" or "Publication Series" values. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6136271 Here] is a recent example of submissions that aims to change the publisher name with a single publication record associated with it. Approving it would result in that publisher record disappearing along with the Notes field.
 
 
Similarly, when editing a title record, you can create "orphans" by modifying 2 fields: Author(s) and Series.
 
 
The question then is what the software should do when an author, publisher, publication series or series record becomes an "orphan". The way the software currently works, newly orphaned records are immediately automatically deleted along with their Web pages, Notes, birth/date dates, awards, etc.
 
 
The only exception to this rule is title series records. Unlike publication series, title series can be nested, which makes it harder for the software to decide which ones can be deleted. For this reason empty Series records are kept in the database and need to be deleted manually. There is a cleanup report to find them.
 
 
At one point there was a proposal to make the software handle "orphan" author, publisher and publication series the way it currently handles series records, i.e. keep them in the database until they are manually deleted. Naturally, we would also need to have cleanup reports to make it possible for editors to find "orphans". However, the proposal did not gather enough support to result in a Feature Request.
 
 
So that's the history of this issue. Having said that, we have more options open to us in 2025. With the completion of the rewrite of the submission review software, it is vastly easier to add new yellow warnings. It would be fairly straightforward to add a few yellow warnings for submissions which would result in the creation of "orphan" publishers and publication series and their subsequent automatic deletion. Yellow warnings for about-to-be-orphaned authors would be harder to implement because a single Edit Publication submission may change author data at the publication and title level, but I am sure some kind of warning would be possible to do. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:49, 7 January 2025 (EST)
 
:I like the warning idea for any record about to be orphaned. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:11, 7 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
:: Hearing no objection, I have created {{FR|1627}}, "Warn about records about to be deleted due to becoming orphans". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 10 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
== Editor requests a second opinion ==
 
 
An editor has requested a 2nd moderator's opinion on whether [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?75755 Titan (Hangar 7)] should be a title or publication series. Please respond [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Debolestis#Titan_.28Hangar_7.29 here]. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:18, 10 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
== Paul McCartney ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6140279; I added the cover image long ago but just noticed today the day of birth wasn't entered so I did that but should Sir be part of his name since he was knighted in 1997? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 10 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
: Not in my opinion. But you can always add a note with that information. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 05:38, 14 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
== Honourable moderator - please delete this fallacious cover! (pisshed) ==
 
 
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THPLTTNRST0000.jpg <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Faustus|contribs]]) .</small> 20:27, 10 January 2025‎ (EST)
 
:Done. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:53, 11 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
== About the gratitude and pre-announce of quote about Ian Watson's bibliography ==
 
 
Dear Moderator,
 
 
We, fan-press group "Vitamin SF picopublishing" consists of Masayuki Honjo(main traslator; @hmasa.bsky.social / bookhon13@gmail.com) and Mitsuya Kinoshita(others; @mkinosh.bsky.social / mits.kinoshita@nifty.com) are SF reader, and fan-translator.
 
We will publish Japanese translated anthology fan-zine of Ian Watson's following short stories.
 
 
Immune Dreams (Pulsar 1 1978)
 
To the Pump Room with Jane (New Writings in SF(26) 1975)
 
Returning Home (Omni 1982)
 
The Day of the Wolf (Changes 1983)
 
In the Mirror of the Earth (Lands of Never 1983)
 
Stalin's Teardrops (Weird Tales 1990)
 
The Eye of the Ayatollah (Interzone, #33 1990)
 
 
We already have Japanese translation allowance by Mr. Ian Watson.  Publish will be in 2025, by ebook and on-demand print.
 
 
In this book, we want to add the summarized bibliography of Ian Watson by extracting original and Japanese translated publish history from;
 
 
The Internet Speculative Fiction Database / Summary Bibliography: Ian Watson
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?63
 
 
and
 
 
ameqlist 翻訳作品集成 / イアン・ワトスン(Ian Watson) [Japanese translated SF behemoth list]
 
https://ameqlist.com/sfw/watson.htm
 
 
We want to tell deep gratitude to both list builder(s).
 
 
So, could you please kindly tell us how can we tell such message to the ISFDB contributors?
 
 
And, if yon could kindly tell us the advice of citation description of this summarized bibliography, it will be greatly helpful for us.
 
(We are planning to write the above URL and brief message of gratitude. If particular copyright description is hopeful to this summarized bibliography, we want to add that.)
 
 
About ameqlist, we will send similar message of gratitude and pre-announce of quote to AMEQ-san. {{unsigned|Mitsuya Kinoshita}}
 
 
:You are welcome to use the information found in the ISFDB bibliography. We ask only that you include a link/URL to the page (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?63). When you are ready to publish, please let us know the title of the collection and we will be happy to add it to ISFDB.
 
 
:ISFDBの参考文献に記載されている情報は自由にご利用いただけます。ただし、ページへのリンク/URL([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?63 https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?63])を記載していただくようお願いします。公開の準備ができたら、コレクションのタイトルをお知らせください。喜んでISFDBに追加させていただきます。 ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:40, 11 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
::Thank you very much for your kind and detailed reply! I will describe your informed page link on our summarized bibliography, and report the publish of our Japanese translated fan-zine of Ian Watson (hopefully) soon.
 
 
::寛大かつ丁寧な回答をいただき、誠にありがとうございました! 私たちの要約版書誌には、お知らせをいただいたページリンクを記載するようにいたします。私たちの同人誌が(願わくば早めの時期に)形になりましたら、報告させていただきます。
 
 
::Best regards, Mitsuya Kinoshita as member of "Vitamin SF picopublishing"
 
 
::[[User:Mitsuya Kinoshita|Mitsuya Kinoshita]] ([[User talk:Mitsuya Kinoshita|talk]]) 06:34, 13 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
:::Does "Vitamin SF picopublishing" have a website? 「Vitamin SF picopublishing」の同人誌サークルにはホームページがありますか?···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:40, 13 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
: Thank you for the kind words and for your request. And welcome to ISFDB!
 
: Since most of us are no experts in Japanese, it seems best if you try to enter this upcoming collection. For this, you 'just' have to click on 'Add New Collection' link on the left side (somewhat downside under 'Add New Data'): we would be very grateful to have that collection within ISFDB.
 
: As a helpful example [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?749863 this collection] by Philip K. Dick may serve (for which you have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?749863 this view] when editing it): the fields have to be filled for the Ian Watson collection, though. If you encounter any problems, don't hesitate to ask. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:12, 13 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
== Data Entries ==
 
 
I am more than happy to send you information about corrections or items not present. As I am running an active book business and am basically a one man show I do not wish to figure out how to post things directly. Nor will I do it often enough to remember what to do from time to time. If this works for you I will forward you information on books as I come across it. Just let me know where to send the information. As such I am now cataloging and edition of Cosmos (the multi author serial novel first published as a fanzine supplement). This is the 2015 edition done by Fiction House Press. Your listing of this edition is for a trade paperback. I have in my hands a hardcover edition with dust jacket, this edition is so noted on the copyright page of the book (as such published as hardcover and trade paperback). The ISBN for the hardcover is 978-1-312-95554-7. I can supply an image if you so like and whatever other information you would need for entry.
 
 
Sincerely,
 
 
John Knott
 
John W. Knott, Jr, Bookseller
 
jwk@jwkbooks.com
 
<small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Jwkbooks|Jwkbooks]] ([[User talk:Jwkbooks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jwkbooks|contribs]]) .</small> 11:27, 11 January 2025‎ (EST)
 
:You're welcome to do that. Please note, however, that everyone here is a volunteer, so we can't guarantee a timeframe for when any such new information is added. We will do what we can to keep up with any such requests, though. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:53, 11 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
== daft bugger didn't check the number line  ==
 
 
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THHTCHHKRS2016.jpg
 
 
could a mod please delete this one please? cheers - Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 19:36, 13 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
:As requested, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:38, 13 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
== Tragara ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?5406; Should be The Tragara Press. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:37, 15 January 2025 (EST)
 
:Evidence to support this? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:24, 15 January 2025 (EST)
 
:Oh, my edits for several of their books haven't been approved yet, should happen soon. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:00, 15 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
== Image deletion x5 ==
 
 
Please delete the following old images: [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THWRFTHWR2P0000.jpg 6 February 2023], [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THWRFTHWR2R0000.jpg 7 January 2025 -earliest], [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:PVNBHBMDJP0000.jpg 7 October 2023], [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THLNGTMRRW2014.jpg 14 October 2013], and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:The_Invisible_Man_-_alternative_cover.jpg 2 July 2023 - complete redundant page]. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:53, 18 January 2025 (EST)
 
: As requested. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:34, 18 January 2025 (EST)
 
::Thanks John! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:14, 18 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
== AndyjMo ==
 
 
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Contributions/AndyjMo; 6+ years since they made an edit, should get a "no longer active" message. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:30, 19 January 2025 (EST)
 
:I added the tag. If you see obvious cases, you can add <code><nowiki>{{inactive}}</nowiki></code> at the top of the page yourself. Please be sure to check their status on the database side as well (by looking at the date shown on one of their verified pubs). --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:41, 19 January 2025 (EST)
 
::Oh, I didn't know that, there are many who've been gone for years who never got that message so if anyone sees one of those they should add the tag, too. What would you say is the length of time after which it qualifies as not around anymore? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:30, 19 January 2025 (EST)
 
:::We don't have a definitive time. Maybe a year or so. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:15, 20 January 2025 (EST)
 
::::It might be good to discuss what the time should be because some editors have a different message about being an infrequent contributor. Maybe some others will see this post and chime in and an exact time for "infrequent" vs. "gone" can be established. This case was easy because the editor's been gone more than 6 years but some who've been gone several months or a year or more without answering posts on their boards suddenly show up again, Unapersson or Willem, for example. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:31, 20 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
::::: I think we tried to come up with something more specific a few years ago, but it was hard to account for all possible variables. The only thing that came out of that discussion was a [[ISFDB:Policy#Moderator_policy]] update. It now says "Moderators who have been inactive for over 12 months lose moderator privileges." [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:10, 20 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
:::::: I think it would be polite to post warnings to any PV who was active 12 months before but not to wait for an answer before submitting a change, for more than 2 weeks, from anybody who wasn't active for more than 3 months --[[User:Fantagufo|Fantagufo]] ([[User talk:Fantagufo|talk]]) 22:12, 20 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
== Bantam publication allocation to Bantam series - resolution? ==
 
 
I would be grateful if other Moderators could have a look at this [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MartyD#Star_Trek_9_.2B discussion] and offer opinions/suggestions. I have provided links to pages which explain the rational for my two edits, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6117522 6117522] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6117523 6117523], which have been on hold for over a month now. Thanks in advance, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:33, 19 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
:Any critique would be welcome. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:10, 23 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
== Ten of the Best ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6147732; Can someone approve this so I can import the stories? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:28, 19 January 2025 (EST)
 
:Approved. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:15, 20 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
== Can this be submission reverted? ==
 
 
I made [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6148006 this submission] and approved it in error. Can it please be reverted? I'll also need this  [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:CRSSVRCSSN2006.jpg cover upload] deleted. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:55, 20 January 2025 (EST)
 
:We can't 'revert' database edits the way we can in the wiki. I can delete the image upload. You'll need to edit the pub, removing all your notes, and add back the previous note. If there was a previous image link, it was added before edit history was instituted. Are you sure you want the image deleted? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:28, 20 January 2025 (EST)
 
::I was afraid of that. The image is for the pb edition and different so please delete it; the original was from Amazon so I got it back from there. I figured out what I added in the notes and fixed the record. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:27, 20 January 2025 (EST)
 
:::Image deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:30, 20 January 2025 (EST)
 
::::Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:15, 20 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
== Sound of Horror ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6149836; Can someone approve this? 3 stories need importing (2 reprints, McKinney's is original but on ISFDB with a 2013 date from its appearance in a later book). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:04, 22 January 2025 (EST)
 
:{{done}} Approved. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:41, 22 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
== George E. ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?331336; I have a request. Change name to Ernsberger who already has a record here (I have 2 pending edits adding archived links to the original 1978 edition of The Mountain King and its recent reprint); I checked relevant issue of Psychotic on fanac.org and it clearly says that. It's also misspelled in the note and when I tried to fix that I got a yellow warning about mismatched HTML tags. I'd also like to mention that the late Biomassbob, who PV'd several thousand things including a lot of obscure magazines and books that aren't easy to find, is probably the editor who I've had to correct most often of everyone here. So if anyone comes across a record PV'd by him it would probably be a good idea to check everything for misspellings/wrong names/mismatched story vs. art titles, etc. etc. etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:38, 22 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
== E. M Forster Collectiom/Onmibus ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1969
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6150818
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6150822
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6150823
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6150828
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6150835
 
 
I thought it would be a good idea if a mod could check out these edits as a job lot. I didnt get a reply on the help desk so Ive gone with what i thought was right. at the mo the same set of stories is entered as an omnibus and as the collection "The machine Stops and Other Stories" and presumably the other eds of "Collected Stories" which don't have the contents listed. its down as an omnibus because the 12 stories were originally published as 2 seperate collections and the titles for those have been entered in the contents for the db entry. Ive changed the title and pubs to collections and removed the component collection titles with the intention of then varianting "The Machine Stops..." title to it. The UK sidgwick edition just lists the 12 stories on the contents page but the US Knopf edition does seperate the contents into the original 2 groups of six on the contents page which makes a little doubt in my brain about whether that should still be down as an omnibus. - cheers - Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 14:52, 23 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
(edit) this is how the contents are presented in the knopf ed.
 
 
https://archive.org/details/collectedtalesof00fors/page/n11/mode/2up
 
 
:I've approved your submissions, you missed one, your plan is fine. When a title is associated with only one publication, you can edit both on the edit pub page. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:30, 23 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
::cheers mate I didknow that shortcut but it didnt register because of the varianting - Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 15:48, 23 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
== Deleting Science Fiction: 101 ==
 
 
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6151956; I need this approved ahead of the 400+ other pending edits I have because by the time it's gotten to I'll have totally forgotten to follow up by removing the title which PV instructed me to do instead of doing it themselves which would have been much faster. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:00, 24 January 2025 (EST)
 
:Done. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:51, 24 January 2025 (EST)
 
::OK, I made another edit to delete the title now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:54, 24 January 2025 (EST)
 
:::Deleted. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:13, 29 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
== Cleaning up the "Incomplete contents" report ==
 
 
Hi, mods. So, pretty much everything containing the phrase "incomplete number line" (e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?337957 Blockade Billy]) doesn't actually belong in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?272 Publications with incomplete contents and no Incomplete template] cleanup page, right? Can they be removed in large batches? —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 13:25, 29 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
: The report looks for publications with notes with the following words/strings:
 
:* not complete
 
:* incomplete
 
:* partial content
 
:* partial data
 
:* to be entered
 
:* to be added
 
:* more[any text]added
 
:* not entered yet
 
: Moderators can "ignore" individual publication records, but they can't do it in batches. Let me check if I can modify the cleanup report to skip "incomplete number line"... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:53, 29 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
:: And done. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?272 The report] is down to 1544 publication records. Thanks for reporting the issue! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:11, 29 January 2025 (EST)
 
:::Terrific! Thanks for fixing it. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 18:00, 29 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
== External IDs ==
 
 
I guess there have happened some changes in the External IDs handling:
 
* In the [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs] page the PPN link seems to be invalid. A valid address is <nowiki>https://webggc.oclc.org/cbs/DB=2.37/LNG=EN/</nowiki>.
 
* Also the BL link there doesn't find the wanted page. A better address is <nowiki>https://bll01.primo.exlibrisgroup.com/discovery/search?vid=44BL_INST:BLL01</nowiki>.
 
* So a lot of existing external BL IDs shown in publication entries have to be renewed.<br> An example: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?923129 Enterprise Stardust] BL:009432228 results "Sorry we can't find that page". The actual BL entry for this pub is <nowiki>https://bll01.primo.exlibrisgroup.com/discovery/fulldisplay?docid=alma990094322280100000&context=L&vid=44BL_INST:BLL01</nowiki><br>Another example: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?695356 De bliksemdief] PPN:322871700 results: "Fehler" (error). The actual PPN entry for this pub is <nowiki>https://webggc.oclc.org/cbs/DB=2.37/XMLPRS=Y/PPN?PPN=322871700</nowiki> (same permalink).
 
Maybe a moderator can solve this. Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 13:48, 30 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
: The British Library was hacked back in 2023 and their online catalog was offline for over a year. It's good to see that they have a temporary site up and running. Re: PPN, I think we updated their URL structure a few years ago, but it looks like they have changed it again.
 
 
: For now, I have changed their Notes templates to point to the right places. It will take a bit longer to get their External IDs updated, but I expect to get it done shortly. Thanks for reporting the issue! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:47, 30 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
:: Done. Thanks again! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:16, 30 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
::: Hmmm. New link works fine it seems, but old link still operational ... For example, https://picarta.oclc.org/psi/xslt/DB=3.9/XMLPRS=Y//PPN?PPN=418671907 is still accessible for me. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 05:32, 31 January 2025 (EST)
 
 
:::: They work OK under Google Chrome, but I get "The page isn’t redirecting properly" under Firefox. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 06:34, 31 January 2025 (EST)
 
::::: The former external IDs of BL and PPN do work now under my Firefox, but MagicUnk's suggestion of picarta URL doesn't work for me. Another problem is how to recognize, which BL ID should be put into the ID field for newer UK publications? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 07:56, 2 February 2025 (EST)
 
 
:::::: Good question. Apparently, British Library IDs are not displayed on the temporary Web site that is currently up and running. You have to derive them from each Web page's URL. A typical URL looks like:
 
::::::* bll01.primo.exlibrisgroup.com/discovery/fulldisplay?docid=alma990094322280100000&context=L&vid=44BL_INST:BLL01
 
:::::: optionally followed by more ampersand-delimited parameters. BL IDs are embedded in the "docid" value. If you extract the string of characters between "alma99" and "0100000", you will get the External ID. I have updated [[Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs]] -- thanks for the heads-up! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:41, 2 February 2025 (EST)
 
  
 
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I really don't know who to talk to about this, but this editor hasn't posted since 2018, or answered any messages since 2014. I think it's safe to say that they are inactive and will not reply to any messages. I discovered this while updating Weirdbook magazine. Anyway, I guess they get to have one of those banner thingies declaring them inactive. MLB (talk) 04:19, 1 February 2025 (EST)

Done. Thanks for the tip! Ahasuerus (talk) 11:24, 2 February 2025 (EST)

Please add Ido to the language pop-up

I have a Wizard of Oz translated into Ido. Please can a Bureaucrat add Ido to the "Add New Language" popup? The ISO 639-1 code is "io" and the ISO 639-2 code is "ido". Thank you. Evertype (talk) 06:38, 2 February 2025 (EST)

Done! Ahasuerus (talk) 11:22, 2 February 2025 (EST)
Thank you. I just posted a number of Ozzes and used Esperanto for the language for this one as a placeholder, but when I add the cover image I can change it to Ido. Evertype (talk) 09:43, 3 February 2025 (EST)

Mermaid of Zennor and Other Cornish Tales

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6160302; Can someone approve this? I found a copy online that shows the copyright page and it does say April 1946 so I'm going to add that to the notes. Also, I made another edit changing title story to a short story as it says in Argosy's contents at FictionMags; I guess editor making it a novelette was just a mistake. There is an Eileen Molony born in the UK on IMDB, https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1573919/, but her birth year doesn't match ours. --Username (talk) 08:48, 3 February 2025 (EST)

Report: Publications with incomplete content and no template

Looking at this report, if I well interpret its meaning, I guess that the following publications can be removed from it:

  • 1025987: the content includes all the genre stories;
  • 584317: the word "incomplete" is in the notes, but is not about the content list;
  • 374685: the word "incomplete" is in the notes, but is not about the content list (although probably the interiorart is missing);
  • 398281 and 398282: the content listing is complete (the content of the original collection is split into two volumes). --Fantagufo (talk) 11:32, 3 February 2025 (EST)
Done. I have changed the Notes in 398281 and 398282 to clarify that they are "split publications". Ahasuerus (talk) 16:03, 3 February 2025 (EST)

Please add "Artificial languages" to the language pop-up

The audiocassette accompanying Always Coming Home, called Music and Poetry of the Kesh has language content but it is not in English, it is in Kesh. ISO 639 has some codes dedicated to individual constructed languages (See Codes for constructed languages on the Wikipedia), but Kesh is unlikely to get such a code. Please can a Bureaucrat add "Artificial languages" to the "Add New Language" popup? The ISO 639-2 code is "art". Thank you. Evertype (talk) 13:10, 3 February 2025 (EST)

Done. Given the nature of the material that we catalog, I figured it was liable to happen sooner or later... Ahasuerus (talk) 15:54, 3 February 2025 (EST)

2007 Nebula Award

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ay.cgi?31+2007

the script titles are showing up wrong(and for 1 of the 2008 ones) - Gaz Faustus (talk) 14:14, 3 February 2025 (EST)

There were 17 award records with corrupted titles. The corruption was due to the award portion of the ISFDB software incorrectly processing double quotes and apostrophes back in the late 2000s and early 2010s. The software was fixed over 10 years ago, but the problems with these award records remained unnoticed until now. I have re-filed the 17 award records, which fixed the problem. Thanks for identifying the issue! Ahasuerus (talk) 16:32, 3 February 2025 (EST)
>10 years and nobody noticed it - crikey thats a sobering thought..... Faustus (talk) 17:00, 3 February 2025 (EST)
The problem was not visible on regular award pages. You had to view one of the affected awards on one of the annual award pages in order to see the corruption. And it was only 17 awards out 75,697 that we have on file, so the average user's chances of coming across the issue were slim. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:13, 3 February 2025 (EST)

Petition: BanjoKev for Self-Approver

Apropos this post, I'm petitioning to put myself forward to be considered for Self-Approver status. Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 07:40, 4 February 2025 (EST)

Support (for the reasons I already mentioned in the post). Annie (talk) 09:01, 4 February 2025 (EST)
Support - I have reviewed a great deal of Kev's work, it's consistently excellent. John Scifibones 12:04, 4 February 2025 (EST)
Support. Does a good job. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:04, 4 February 2025 (EST)
Support: ok, perhaps as moderator in future --Wolfram.winkler (talk) 16:47, 4 February 2025 (EST)
support. MagicUnk (talk) 18:30, 4 February 2025 (EST)
Also, I would also approve Kev being a moderator ;) MagicUnk (talk) 12:47, 5 February 2025 (EST)

Petition: BanjoKev for Self-Approver - Outcome

Hearing no objection, I have set the self-approver flag on BanjoKev's account. Congratulations! Ahasuerus (talk) 14:59, 11 February 2025 (EST)

Thank you all for setting this value on my work, I really appreciate it! Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 15:43, 11 February 2025 (EST)

Uncredited cover art

I just realized that in this submission I entered "uncredited" as cover artist instead of leaving it blank (sorry!). I'd very much like not to have to cancel and re-enter it... can a moderator delete it? I'll then replace it with a note. thank you! --Fantagufo (talk) 15:23, 4 February 2025 (EST)

It happens. Moderators will usually approve and eject the coverart post approval (and come talk to you about it) - noone will make you reenter all these stories. :) Approved and the COVERART entry had been ejected and deleted. Annie (talk) 17:16, 4 February 2025 (EST)
Thanks a lot Annie! I added the note and submitted completion of the content titles. --Fantagufo (talk) 17:37, 5 February 2025 (EST)

Report:Publications with ASINs in Notes

1041652 has a note containing the word "ASIN", but it's a comment; I think it can be removed from the report. --Fantagufo (talk) 11:23, 5 February 2025 (EST)

Done. Also, I think we may want to modify this cleanup report to skip {{ASIN| strings. It should reduce the number of false positives quite a bit. Does it sound like a reasonable idea? Ahasuerus (talk) 11:47, 5 February 2025 (EST)
Part of the challenge when we introduced the ASIN template was that people were using it instead of the External ID because they saw that in the documentation and did not read all the way to the External IDs... which is why the report was implemented like that. Annie (talk) 12:05, 5 February 2025 (EST)
Oh, I think I remember it now. No harm in keeping the report the way it is then. Ahasuerus (talk) 12:08, 5 February 2025 (EST)

Image delete [x4]

Please delete the following old images: 16 Jan 2025, 25 Jan 2014, 14 Oct 2013 + 7 Oct 2023. Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 07:36, 6 February 2025 (EST)

Images? What images? :) Done! Annie (talk) 10:00, 6 February 2025 (EST)
:o, ah :) Thanks Annie. Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 10:02, 6 February 2025 (EST)

Testing the Prisoner

I received a message on my Talk Page today out of the blue from a moderator named "Username" who claimed to have made revisions to one my novels, Testing the Prisoner. This was what "Username" claimed to have done:

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?330041; I added a link to the Archive.org copy uploaded a few years ago, added excerpt starting on p. 181, fixed page count to 191. --Username (talk) 11:11, 6 February 2025 (EST)

However, when I checked the listing, none of the changes mentioned were made. I replied to "Username" stating as much. Also, I clicked on "Username" and was brought to this bio page: https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Username

The content of this bio concerns me, especially the mention of "Make America Great Again" and "WE WILL NOT COMPLY." Not sure what that's all about? Is this a legitimate moderator? I'm surprised to see political slogans on this site and would appreciate it if people would keep their politics to themselves. Is there a way I can request that only moderators who are willing to identify themselves can touch my records? Why does this site allow anonymous moderators?!?!

My Talk Page can be found here: https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Pgiunta#Testing_the_Prisoner

Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pgiunta (talkcontribs) . 20:11, 6 February 2025‎ (EST)

Username is a legitimate editor, not a moderator, so the mentioned modifications will take a while to be approved (or rejected, if you feel they are not founded in reality).
Politics should not play a role at ISFDB. However, what someone does with or on his personal talk page is the person's matter (as long as there's no offence or insult included).
Hope that does help you in assessing this. Christian Stonecreek (talk) 02:16, 7 February 2025 (EST)
As long as it's someone legitimate, that's fine. As a corporate IT professional for 30 years, I was alarmed to see someone with a generic username editing records. In most situations, that's bad practice due to a lack of accountability and could compromise data security. Thanks for allaying my suspicions. Phil (talk) 04:39, 7 February 2025 (EST)
A quick clarification re: ISFDB usernames. We use MediaWiki software to create/maintain user accounts and to run this Wiki. It saves development time since we don't need to develop/maintain Wiki capabilities of our own, but it also limits what we can do on the Wiki side, including managing usernames.
The only MediaWiki-supported limits on usernames that I am aware of are described on this MediaWiki page. It lets Wiki administrators disallow certain characters in usernames, but it doesn't let them disallow generic usernames. Ahasuerus (talk) 11:29, 7 February 2025 (EST)
This can be used in LocalSettings.php to create an array of disallowed usernames. If this is added here, I recommend adding in all the defaults it lists in order to prevent any issues. Instead of this, however, I recommend using the following if you want to implement something like this: This extension can be used to prevent people from creating accounts with specific usernames (see this section). ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:18, 7 February 2025 (EST)
No worries and no need to implement anything different. I was merely concerned at first because I thought my record was hacked. I then learned that Username is a legitimate editor here and has been editing records since December 2020. That's good enough for me. We can close out this matter. Thanks! Phil (talk) 08:48, 8 February 2025 (EST)

Installment vs. Instalment

There are 9 instances of the spelling 'Installment' on this page. Should it be 'Instalment'? There may be other pages with the same spelling. Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 16:44, 9 February 2025 (EST)

Depends on the region. Installment is correct in the USA. Instalment is correct in the UK. John Scifibones 17:17, 9 February 2025 (EST)
Thanks, I thought that may be the case. Ok as it is then. Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 17:26, 9 February 2025 (EST)

Pseudonym clearance

Please, could a moderator approve of this and that submission? Background: I was approached in an email conversation that ISFDB likely does err in that the authors Herbert W. Maly and Wolfgang Jeschke would have to be unvarianted (as having nothing to do with each other). As I got proof that this ain't the case (by approaching one of the contributors of the anthology in question), it'd be nice if we could show we were right as soon as possible. Thanks, Christian Stonecreek (talk) 07:48, 10 February 2025 (EST)

Oh, and it'd be nice if this page would be deleted, as it is now obsolete. Thanks, Stonecreek (talk) 07:52, 10 February 2025 (EST)

As requested. The template {{Deletion candidate|reason}} will save you a post on the moderator noticeboard. John Scifibones 09:10, 10 February 2025 (EST)

Jay Wolf / M. Daniel McDowell

Submission #6138742 to make M. Daniel McDowell (#380097) an alternate name of Jay Wolf (#390170) has been pending since 2025-01-08. Is there a problem with the submission, or is additional information needed for approval?

All of my other submissions made around the same time (or after) have been approved, and there have been no messages regarding this one.

Thanks.

MikePalumbo (talk) 09:06, 10 February 2025 (EST)

Sorry about the delay! The issue with this submission was that we needed to determine whether M. Daniel McDowell or Jay Wolf was going to be the canonical name and which one the alternate name. As per Template:AuthorFields:CanonicalName (also linked from the ISFDB FAQ):
  • The canonical name is the name under which a particular author's bibliography is organized. For authors who publish under multiple names, the canonical name is the most recognized name for that author within the genre. The canonical name may be a pseudonym, for instance Cordwainer Smith [snip]
In this case we have the author's Substack announcement, which says:
  • "I am retaining M. Daniel McDowell for my fiction writing", but "If you want to follow some of my other whatnot, the easiest place to find me on social media is through my carrd—I'm @jayxwolf just about everywhere".
Given that we list two novels as by M. Daniel McDowell and one essay as by Jay Wolf, I have made "M. Daniel McDowell" the canonical name. Thanks for the submission! Ahasuerus (talk) 23:58, 10 February 2025 (EST)

Report: Publishers with Latin Names and Non-Latin Titles

It looks like the first 6 publishers in this report, and Foreign Languages Press (China) too, are entitled to have non-latin titles and could be removed from the report, IMHO. --Fantagufo (talk) 11:26, 11 February 2025 (EST)

Updated, thanks! Ahasuerus (talk) 13:17, 11 February 2025 (EST)

The Blade Runner Experience Publication date

Before I edit this one. I would like some thoughts on this before I make some edits.

Firstly I think the publication dates of the tp and hc are possibly transposed. My Wallflower Press hardback copy in hand has no reference to 2006, but definitely states 2005 for pub year. I would simply edit pub date to 2005-00-00 as no month or day is known for this copy. But there are a few online sources including Amazon and Columbia U Press (who now own Wallflower) who state the pub date is 2006-02-21. Also the book in hand has 250pp not 240 as the previous sources state. WorldCat also states 250pp. So I trust this is ok to at least alter.

Please let me know how I should proceed regarding the hc record - Alter the date to 2005-00-00? Common sense say use the the date in the book, but prefer to check before making a long edit to include detailed notes. Thanking you in advance. ReadingMovies (talk) 17:21, 12 February 2025 (EST)

An archived HC copy was uploaded recently so I added a link and fixed count to x+250 in a PENDING edit. --Username (talk) 18:03, 12 February 2025 (EST)
Thanks for correcting the page count and adding the archive link. That was on my list of additions too. I will add other notes to the record. ReadingMovies (talk) 09:47, 14 February 2025 (EST)

Blue Apes

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?6172189; I think there's a problem, my image created a separate page instead of replacing someone else's image, fix needed. --Username (talk) 21:56, 17 February 2025 (EST)

There is no issue. The image URL for the pb version had been reused on the the hc edition. Yours was the first upload of the hc version. I approved your submission. -- JLaTondre (talk) 07:33, 18 February 2025 (EST)

TWO identical listings: Full Spectrum 3 trade paper edition

just noticed the trade paper version of Full Spectrum 3 has two identical listings. Quoting from lyrics of the Dire Straits song "Industrial Disease": "... Two men say they're Jesus. One of them must be wrong." :) Thx in advance for cleaning up. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Markwood (talkcontribs) . 16:03, 19 February 2025‎ (EST)

One has a number line (per the notes), and the other does not. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:25, 19 February 2025 (EST)
Oh. Missed that. Sorry to bother you. Thx! Markwood (talk) 21:20, 19 February 2025 (EST)
No worries. It's good to keep an eye out for duplicates, as they do pop up now and then. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:37, 19 February 2025 (EST)

My tags

When I was putting in some tags for some books for J. R. Frontera's books, and I got this message. Am I doing something wrong? MLB (talk) 06:56, 20 February 2025 (EST)

I tried on the same book (this one and managed to add and remove a tag. Can you try again - maybe the server was in the middle of something? Annie (talk) 11:35, 20 February 2025 (EST)
It looks like it may have been a software problem. The tag "Aquarius" already existed in the database and its internal ID was 21299. However, the screenshot that MLB posted shows that the software thought that it was 21300, an "off by one" error. I am going to ask the other user of this tag, User:Gzuckier, if he was doing anything with this tag this morning. Thanks for reporting the issue! Ahasuerus (talk) 12:37, 20 February 2025 (EST)
No, whenever I use the "Show All Tags" link at the bottom, I get the same thing. I tried it with a story by Robert E. Howard and get the same thing. My fault? MLB (talk) 19:47, 20 February 2025 (EST)
Nope, not your fall! With the additional information about "Show All Tags", I was able to recreate the issue. It looks like a database index got out of sync, perhaps due to the backups. I will work on it on the development server starting tomorrow morning. Thanks for the report! Ahasuerus (talk) 22:16, 20 February 2025 (EST)
Fixed -- see this Web page. Ahasuerus (talk) 12:16, 21 February 2025 (EST)
Speaking of "Show all tags", could a duplicate button for that be placed at the top of the tag listing page? Would that be something easy to implement? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 11:45, 21 February 2025 (EST)
It would be easy to implement. However, Al is currently in the middle of making system-wide changes to facilitate migrating the software from Python 2 to Python 3. I try to minimize the number of software patches since every patch means that Al has to re-do some of what he has already done. For now, I have created FR 1639, "Enhance the Tag Editor". Ahasuerus (talk) 12:37, 21 February 2025 (EST)
That's a good thing to be doing (moving to Python 3). I'm fine with waiting. Thanks to you and Al for all your work on the backend stuff. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:10, 24 February 2025 (EST)

Dragonheart Image delete

Hi. Sorry, I have managed not only to upload twice but have the wrong pixel height for upload. Can these be deleted? This one and this one. I will upload the correct size shortly. Many thanks. ReadingMovies (talk) 16:38, 20 February 2025 (EST)

Use the upload new version link in the file history section and then I'll just remove the old image. for this one. John Scifibones 16:47, 20 February 2025 (EST)
Meanwhile these two are deleted as requested. I (or another moderator) can undo if needed... Annie (talk) 16:48, 20 February 2025 (EST)
Thanks for your help guys and swift response. I have made the upload and new edit. Hope this is now ok. Many thanks. ReadingMovies (talk) 17:02, 20 February 2025 (EST)

Image delete (x8)

Please delete the old images, all dated 10 February 2025: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8]. Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 14:40, 21 February 2025 (EST)

All eight deleted as requested. Remember the time each user see is based on their time zone. They were all dated February 9th between 9PM and 10PM for me. John Scifibones 15:01, 21 February 2025 (EST)
Thanks John! ...I had to use something, as they were all dated in February - but you got it nonetheless :) Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 15:20, 21 February 2025 (EST)
Maybe it would be better if I used "earliest dated" in future that would solve it. Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 15:58, 21 February 2025 (EST)
For each publication, It's clear you uploaded anew image and your intent is to get rid of the older one. John Scifibones 16:29, 21 February 2025 (EST)

The Time Machine length

I suspect many of us have seen it and averted our eyes.... In the queue is a submission that would change the length of The Time Machine from NOVEL to NOVELLA, because its word count is significantly below 40,000 (low to mid 30s). What do we want to do about that? I somehow can't see converting hundreds of pubs to chapbook. --MartyD (talk) 07:56, 22 February 2025 (EST)

Sorry, I missed a discussion about this same topic on the Community Portal. --MartyD (talk) 08:33, 22 February 2025 (EST)

Do you need additional help assessing and moderating new content?

Hi, I'm Marcus Whitnell, a science Fiction author and the current Nebula Awards Commissioner for the SFWA. I often use your database to validate submissions to our reading list and, after adding the details of my 1st book to your catalogue, noticed the waiting time for validation.

I live in the UK and see you only seem to have one moderator on this side of the puddle.

I'd be happy to muck in and assist where I can with your backlog (I'm guessing the process is very similar to the Nebulas: research, validate publication information and confirm legitimacy of ascribed contributor details).

Let me know if this is useful, and if so, what you need from me.

Best wishes, Marcus —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mwhit (talkcontribs) . 17:27, 27 February 2025‎ (EST)

Welcome to the ISFDB project, Marcus! New editors are always great to have and yes, as you mentioned, we have a significant backlog at the moment. Re: becoming a moderator, we have Moderator Qualifications, a Web page which describes what moderators need to know and what they are expected to do. The most important thing for moderators is to have an in-depth knowledge and understanding of ISFDB:Policy#Contents.2FProject_Scope_Policy, which describes what is eligible for inclusion, and our extensive web of interlinked Help pages starting with Help:Screen:NewPub, which covers the data entry basics.
One thing that is not covered by the current version of Moderator Qualifications is the fact that we added an intermediate level of approver privileges a couple of years ago. In the past, we had "editors" and "moderators"; experienced and willing editors eventually became moderators. Now we have "editors", "self-approvers" and "moderators", so the typical path is "editor" -> "self-approver" -> "moderator".
Again, welcome to the project! Ahasuerus (talk) 19:14, 27 February 2025 (EST)

Length

While editing an anthology I had a thought that it would probably be cleaner to have the drop-down menu when adding length to a story read "short story, novelette, novella" instead of "novella, short story, novelette" as it is now. Is there an easy way for a mod to do that? --Username (talk) 19:57, 28 February 2025 (EST)

Moderators can't do it; it would require a software change.
That said, I think I made a similar suggestion a few years ago, but the idea didn't gather much support. If you think it would be beneficial, I would suggest posting on the Community Portal. If there is enough support, I will create a Feature Request. Ahasuerus (talk) 15:36, 1 March 2025 (EST)
not a top priority, but I would support the request --Fantagufo (talk) 17:11, 1 March 2025 (EST)
If you're creating a feature request, perhaps make it so any drop-downs are sorted alphabetically (or at least displayed alphabetically). When I first started editing here, it was confusing trying to find the right choice in some of the drop-downs since they seemed to be randomly arranged. This includes the Title Type and Length drop-downs in various submission forms, and the Search (the main one at the top left of the vertical menu bar in the database) drop-down. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 10:52, 3 March 2025 (EST)
FYI, the proposed FR is currently being discussed over on the Community Portal. Ahasuerus (talk) 11:05, 3 March 2025 (EST)

Blazer & Soulseer

Been adding a number of items and now have been going back to fill in the other versions (hc, audio etc). However I had two items Blazer (Records 3422931 & 1046102) & Soulseer (Records 3422929 & 1046101) where the publication date was not what I originally put in and I had to fix it. I don't want to continue with these two until they are updated. Figured out what happened, the autofill. It tried to get me on another one but I caught it in the act. aardvark7 (talk) 15:13, 1 March 2025 (EST)

Question of policy

I usually like to add the cover image to the database as outside links can be broken or changed. Many times the tp, hc and ebook all seem to have the same cover. If you try to add all, even with different titles, the Database comes back as says its already on file. I guess you could copy/paste the file link to all the entries but what is the proper policy/proceedure?? aardvark7 (talk) 15:20, 1 March 2025 (EST)

If they all have the same cover (make sure, as there can sometimes be subtle differences, especially with ebook covers), it's perfectly fine for them to all use the same cover image that's been uploaded to ISFDB. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 10:55, 3 March 2025 (EST)

Phishing Email

A caution, I received the following email titled: Fwd:Purchase summary on 03 March 2025 by Jeffery Juniper, addressed to the isfdb moderators group email.Rkihara (talk) 15:07, 3 March 2025 (EST)

There's a group email? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:22, 3 March 2025 (EST)
There was a Gmail-based one a long time ago, but it has been inactive for the last 10+ years. Apparently someone is trying to abuse it. Ahasuerus (talk) 15:49, 3 March 2025 (EST)

Mick van Houten (Houton)... Error Somewhere?

I have recently made several edits relating to K. J. Parker's Colours in the Steel. The last of these edits has been approved so I was looking through all the related records to check everything looks ok... but it does not. I made this submission to make cover artist Mick van Houton an alternate name of Mick van Houten. I'm sure this looked ok after approval but now, Houton's record does not state "Used As Alternate Name By:" and Houten's record does not include Houton in the list of "Used These Alternate Names:". However, "Colours in the Steel (1998) [only as by Mick van Houton] " does appear in Houten's list of Cover Art.
The plot thickens because, looking at the Raw XML View of my make alternate name submission, Houton had record number 394693 but he now has record number 395554.
As there is no edit history for authors, my investigation has ground to a halt. Could a moderator please look into this and advise what has happened? Teallach (talk) 18:43, 3 March 2025 (EST)

Mick van Houton needed to be made and alternate name for Mick van Houten. I've taken care of it.
I see what happened now. Look at the Coverart record edit history for Colours in the Steel. Zapp decided your change was incorrect. He reverted the credit back to Mick van Houten. This effectively deleted author 394693. One minute later, he reversed his change. The software created a new Mick van Houton author record, number 395554. This new record had to be made an alternate, which I have now done. I assume, Zapp did not communicate with you as required. John Scifibones 19:15, 3 March 2025 (EST)
Your assumption is correct. Zapp did not communicate with me. I have issued another post on his talk page. Teallach (talk) 18:33, 4 March 2025 (EST)

R A Garnett

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?395865; Initials need a space between them so as to fit with other works by the artist and not lose bio info; I left PV a note about uploading a real cover (and adding the price). --Username (talk) 10:13, 4 March 2025 (EST)

Fixed here. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:18, 4 March 2025 (EST)

Authors with extraneous spaces in disambiguation date ranges

(Posting this to Moderator noticeboard, given that only mods can alter author names; will happily repost to Community Portal and/or Rules and Standards if this is considered non-trivial or needing wider discussion)

I noticed on the Authors Born On This Day section of the homepage that there's a record for "Gordon Cooper (1927 - 2004)". Help:How_to_separate_two_authors_with_the_same_name doesn't explicitly say how these disambiguation year ranges should be entered, but having spaces is (a) inconsistent with how they are formatted just to the right of the name on that section, (b) probably much less common than the spaceless-version and (c) debatably less aesthetically pleasing.

Here are links to all the author records that have these spaces in the author name field, if it's deemed preferable to remove them:

ErsatzCulture (talk) 14:13, 6 March 2025 (EST)

Checking the database, I see that we have 258 author records which use "(YYYY-YYYY)" to disambiguate author names. I agree that we should make the 11 "(YYYY - YYYY)" authors listed above use the "(YYYY-YYYY)" pattern. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:06, 6 March 2025 (EST)
All fixed. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:22, 6 March 2025 (EST)
Thanks! Ahasuerus (talk) 22:32, 6 March 2025 (EST)
Thanks both! ErsatzCulture (talk) 05:01, 7 March 2025 (EST)

LRR

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66264; I've been adding archived links to some Third Alternative issues today and Simpson's story has an "&" in its title as does the TTA anthology cover while The Weird anthology titles it with an "and"; since the Silver Web issue was edited by a co-editor of The Weird I assume it has "and" there, too. So US is "and", UK is "&". Probably an unmerge and variant would be in order. --Username (talk) 19:21, 8 March 2025 (EST)

Frank Edwards

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?21323; Story author almost certainly not the same as the Edwards who wrote a bunch of "non-fiction" UFO books and other similar stuff. --Username (talk) 09:20, 10 March 2025 (EDT)

I submitted a differentiation (but you could have done it also, Username!). Christian Stonecreek (talk) 02:32, 12 March 2025 (EDT)
But then wouldn't author info have been lost, Stonecreek? Isn't that why mods need to change names, Stonecreek? I know you're not a mod anymore so maybe you should leave it to one of them, Stonecreek. --Username (talk) 07:42, 12 March 2025 (EDT)
If it's just splitting the works between two authors with the same name, so there are some works with each, then no author info would be lost. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 10:53, 12 March 2025 (EDT)

Robert Black

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?188821; While adding info for some of his books I stumbled on the fact that Death Angel is not by Holdstock; https://vaultofevil.proboards.com/thread/7211/robert-black-death-angel. The late Black needs a separate record. --Username (talk) 00:05, 12 March 2025 (EDT)

I agree. I've changed it to be by Robert Black (III) as I don't know if it's one of the three other existing Robert Blacks. I removed the variant title, too. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:34, 12 March 2025 (EDT)

High Hunt

Looking for something entirely different, I came across the 1986 cover of High Cross (Record # 17039). I also came across another cover that looks to have the same number (32887)but has a cover price of $4.95 also giving the cover artist of Cliff Miller (www.murrayewing.co.uk/mewsings/2025/03/01/high-hunt-by-david-eddings/_). Other than this also being a Ballantine book, I don't know when it came out. Should I add it?? aardvark7 (talk) 13:11, 12 March 2025 (EDT)

If it's not in the database, yes. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:37, 12 March 2025 (EDT)

Uploaded wrong image

Sorry uploaded wrong image for the above title. Can this be deleted/removed? Location: https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THCMPLTCHD1998.jpg
ReadingMovies (talk) 14:04, 12 March 2025 (EDT)

Done. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:36, 12 March 2025 (EDT)

Mad Max 2 Translation Help

I have made my first attempt to add a translated work and followed the wiki advice page. Main source is this Internet Archive page which shows a 13 digit barcode for a 1983 book which I entered as is, but of course this has flagged up for being a pre 2005 work with wrong ISBN. Is this still ok or should I have used the shorter ISBN say from WorldCat (although this is not on the printed book)? Many thanks for your help. | ReadingMovies (talk) 19:10, 12 March 2025 (EDT)

Perhaps the number at the bottom of the barcode section is an "EAN", i.e. a European Article Number aka International Article Number. The linked Wikipedia article says that EANs began using the "978" prefix for books in the 1980s, but I don't know if they were already being used in France in 1983. Hopefully someone with more experience with French books will chime in and clarify. Ahasuerus (talk) 19:30, 12 March 2025 (EDT)
You are probably right regarding the EAN. I have checked other J'ai'Lu pubs and they all appear to have ISBNs starting with "22..." which this pub has under WorldCat. Should this edit gets approved I will change the ISBN to the shorter one on WorldCat. The main editor of the J'ai'Lu pubs appears to be one Linguist, so I will leave a message on their talk page for help. |ReadingMovies (talk) 19:56, 12 March 2025 (EDT)
159 pages; last page is unnumbered. --Username (talk) 19:43, 12 March 2025 (EDT)
Thanks. I have no access to all the pages. I will correct it in a further edit. |ReadingMovies (talk) 19:56, 12 March 2025 (EDT)
The submission has been approved. The following changes have been made as per the discussion above:
  • Changed the ISBN value to "2-277-21533-3"
  • Changed the page count to 159
  • Turned the translated title into a variant of the 1982 original.
Please feel free to tweak it further. Thanks! Ahasuerus (talk) 08:49, 13 March 2025 (EDT)
Thanks for finishing the edit. I was aiming to add the variant link in stage two - saved me the trouble. Discovered this edition when adding reviews for this edit. Will add review link when approved. I will leave the "tweaking" to a PV as I only know as much as the Internet Arch link. Many thanks! |ReadingMovies (talk) 08:58, 13 March 2025 (EDT)

Change to publication verified by absent member

I am changing the format of this publication of The Guns of Avalon by Roger Zelazny from PB to HC. Faber rarely did PB, they did the previous and following books of the series in HC and the image suggests HC. The sole verifier (Biomassbob) is deceased. ../Doug H (talk) 15:11, 13 March 2025 (EDT)

Graphic Novel Question

I'd like to ask for additional opinions of this submission which I've put on hold. Our policy page defines speculative fiction to exclude graphic novels. However, I am aware that many graphic novels have been allowed in the database (e.g. this series). Our policy does allow for non-speculative book length works published by author's above the threshold. I've looked at the Amazon preview of this graphic novel and Le Guin is the main author credit on the title page. Although, the title page also states "Adapted and illustrated by Fred Fordham". The copyright page bears Le Guin's 1968 copyright for the text. Since Fordham has an illustrator credit, I have to assume that he altered the text in some way. However, I checked the first few pages and they appear to be text directly from Le Guin's novel with significant excisions. Would others recommend approving this submission? I am aware of other problems with the submission, i.e. It's doubtful that it is novel length; the use of Roman numbers for unnumbered page count; the content on the unnumbered pages being listed only in notes and again with Roman numerals that aren't present; not marked non-genre (though if graphic format is not speculative by our policy, all graphic format works would be non-genre). What are other moderators thoughts on this? Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 17:44, 17 March 2025 (EDT)

I do think it'd be includable: surely Le Guin is as important for us as Gaiman. But if it's only of shortfiction length and Le Guin is the one credited, I think it should be entered as a CHAPBOOK and then varianted to a parent including the artist as co-author. Christian Stonecreek (talk) 02:46, 18 March 2025 (EDT)
I think it is comparable to this Octavia Butler graphic novel. That means Fred Fordham should be co-author, no separate interior art title is needed and certainly no varianting to the original novel. The Amazon preview (titlepage) has the title as "A Wizard of Earthsea: A Graphic Novel". Perhaps our policy of the graphic format should be re-evaluated. --Willem (talk) 08:19, 18 March 2025 (EDT)
I would definitely include it. Did Fordham write any of the content, or only abridge it? If he only abridged it, I wouldn't list him as an author, but I would note that in the Title note and Publication note. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:28, 18 March 2025 (EDT)

uploaded wrong cover

https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:CRWFLLCDCV2021.jpg

Can a mod please delete this cover. cheers - Gaz Faustus (talk) 13:08, 19 March 2025 (EDT)

Deleted. FYI; the correct image can be uploaded without first deleting the wrong image. Simply use the "Upload a new version of this file" link. John Scifibones
cheers i've not got the cover for that book, the uploaded cover is for a different publication (2nd printing). Gaz Faustus (talk) 14:37, 19 March 2025 (EDT)

Mozart

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?100697; Should he be deleted? He has no contents. --Username (talk) 18:06, 20 March 2025 (EDT)

My guess is that there's a review somewhere that connects to it. Yes, it looks like it's this review. It would be awesome to have some sort of link or something on the profile that showed those. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:10, 20 March 2025 (EDT)
And here's the review (bottom of second column on p.99, continuing at top of p.100). It mentions Mozart, and makes some comments about the opera and its music, then discusses how much better the English translation of the lyrics by Auden and Kallman is compared to the original German lyrics. So, it's a bit of a review of both the music by Mozart and the translation by Auden and Kallman. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:21, 20 March 2025 (EDT)
Reviews of ineligible works are supposed to be entered as essays, not reviews. If this is just for the music, then it should be an essay. If the lyrics were published as a book, then the book would probably be eligible and should be entered. -- JLaTondre (talk) 11:28, 21 March 2025 (EDT)
It's a fantasy opera, so it's definitely eligible if it's published in some fashion. The question is whether the review is of the book or of the opera. Having read the review (link above), it appears to be a review of both the music by Mozart and the translated lyrics published as a book. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:36, 21 March 2025 (EDT)

Mark Joseph

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=mark+jose&type=Name; First 2 guys are the same; archived link I added to Mexico 21 says his first novel was To Kill the Potemkin. He also has a Wikipedia page. --Username (talk) 19:50, 20 March 2025 (EDT)

Updated. They are all at this one now. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:06, 20 March 2025 (EDT)

eBooks

Are there different types of eBooks and do we care?? I am coming across eBooks (Barnes & Noble) that have an ISBN number but no ASIN, but the same title from Amazon (Kindle, has an ASIN but no ISBN. How should these be entered?? aardvark7 (talk) 16:21, 1 April 2025 (EDT)

Depends if they are really different. Barnes and Nobles book will never have an ASIN in their system because this is an Amazon only number. Kindle books often have both ASIN and ISBN (even if Amazon makes the ISBN almost impossible to find - it is often at the end of the book so even Look Inside does not help). In general, if they are the same book but just in different format (epub vs mobi and so on), we add just one book with the ISBN and ASIN and any other identifier added to it and add the sources we have in the notes. If they are materially different, we record both as separate entries. Most publishers use eISBN (which does not exist in theory but is very much used in practice) and use it across all their formats - showing it or not depending on what is needed... Annie (talk) 18:16, 1 April 2025 (EDT)

wrong cover

https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:LNGCLDNHLL1966.jpg

can a mod delete this cover please its the wrong one for this edition - Faustus (talk) 14:05, 6 April 2025 (EDT)

Done. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:16, 6 April 2025 (EDT)

Variants

I need other eyes to look at the 2 next-to-last messages on Dirk's board, am I missing something, I'm trying to merge Can These Stones Speak with Can These Stones Speak? because a copy of Sweet Singers was uploaded and it has the question mark, too, also John R. Pierce is J. R. Pierce in the Hale Nova 1 just like the others, a lot of these false variant name/title things were added years ago, I've fixed a lot of them, these are acceptable and understandable, right? --Username (talk) 18:59, 10 April 2025 (EDT)

How so "false variant name/title things"? Just because you find another name or title in one of the editions, every name or title has to be changed in all editions to the one you have in hand?--Dirk P Broer (talk) 05:38, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
Can I have a list of these merges to check if the same mistakes have been made before?--Dirk P Broer (talk) 05:39, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
Username wants to merge variants with title records that have a variant title and/or author, and does not seem to be able to grasp the difference between a title and a publication.--Dirk P Broer (talk) 20:23, 10 April 2025 (EDT)
I'm still not getting it. Leaving aside the name merge for a moment, the title merge seems very obvious to me. The Sweet Singers has the title of the story with a question mark at the end so all titles should be, after my edit, in the same record with a 1953 date. It might help if someone would approve the Nova 1 and Sweet Singers edits I made and actually search inside the archived copies to see that the name is J. R. Pierce in Nova and the story in Sweet Singers has a question mark. I've done countless merges of this type of thing, some other editor(s) long ago adding many false variants because they were going off sites like philsp.com, I suppose, where they lump stories by an author under one name and/or have many title (and other) errors, which have been approved so I'm not sure what's wrong in these cases. I'm trying to get all instances of the story under J. R. Pierce and all instances of the Dickinson title in the record that has the question mark. How else to do that if not merging? --Username (talk) 01:28, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
That is exactly what I did and I reported to you that my Sphere copy has J. R. Pierce (as has the Delacorte, check archive.org).--Dirk P Broer (talk) 05:29, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
And the Dell too.--Dirk P Broer (talk) 05:33, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
OK, I see my Nova 1 edit adding an archived link was approved; it's a recent upload with no borrowing allowed (and for some reason for the last few days clicking on searched pages of books on Archive.org won't take you there unless it's the front/back covers or the first few pages they offer in the preview, hopefully this is temporary and not a new policy they've implemented). Contents page seems to be missing (or maybe there wasn't one) but searching for Pierce gets 1 hit for John R. Pierce in his bio while J. R. Pierce gets 1 hit on the story's title page. On the plus side while looking into all this I found 5 other archived links for various books in the Nova series (1 of them the retitled Outdated Man) so I've added those in edits and also discovered that the note in the title record for the abridged Hale edition of Nova 1 is wrong because there were actually 4 stories removed, not 3, so I'll have to fix that, too. --Username (talk) 02:22, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
re the Can These Stones Speak? case: Dirk, you said "There are five publication records under the title record, only the 1963 one (the variant) has a question mark in the present database" on your talk page. Unless something has changed since you made that comment, you got it backwards. The Can These Stones Speak? variant is in 4 publications. The Can These Stones Speak parent is only in one publication (1953). If the 1953 publication also had a "?", then the merge is correct. Searching the IA scan [9], shows it does have the "?". -- JLaTondre (talk) 07:11, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
The IA scan has an interesting note My thanks are due to Messrs. William Blackwood and Sons for permission to reprint “‘’'The Sweet Singers ”? which first appeared in Blackwood’s Magazine, and to John Leng and D. C. Thomson Ltd. for permission to reprint ‘‘Can These Stones Speak?” which first appeared, under a different title, in The Scots Magazine.. What would have been that title?--Dirk P Broer (talk) 05:57, 13 April 2025 (EDT)
Good catch. Based on the note, it is more likely that it appeared under a totally different title than simply the absence of the question mark. The question mark absence is more typical of secondary sources. Either way, we can only go with the data we have. I unrejected the merge, accepted it, and then added a title note stating the prior publication with an unknown title & date. -- JLaTondre (talk) 07:53, 13 April 2025 (EDT)
It is the form of the rerquest: "Merge these" without any explanation about the former canonical and variant titles. I am not an approval machine.--Dirk P Broer (talk) 20:28, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
Yes, Username's communication manner (both style and clarity) is problematic, but that doesn't make the submission wrong. -- JLaTondre (talk) 06:59, 12 April 2025 (EDT)
re The Higher Things case: This merge also looks valid. The John R. Pierce version is only in one pub. The IA scan (which Username added in another edit) shows that pub actually uses J. R. Pierce[10] like the other versions. Username's merge kept the J. R. Pierce so it would only have changed the one pub that needed changing. However, the resultant title record would have need to have been revarianted back to a John R. Pierce parent. I probably would have done an unmerge and then merged the new record to the variant in order to keep the existing parent but either way works. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:24, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
Usernames'rejected merge would have removed all J. R. Pierce instances for this title, just because he found one John R. Pierce for the Hale SF edition.--Dirk P Broer (talk) 20:28, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
No, it would not. You are reading the merge backwards. It keeps "J. R. Pierce" (the green value) and removes "John R. Pierce" (the red value). -- JLaTondre (talk) 06:59, 12 April 2025 (EDT)
Except that J. R. Pierce is the variant author name, so it will be replaced with John R. Pierce for the canonical title record.--Dirk P Broer (talk) 07:07, 13 April 2025 (EDT)
Dirk, take a look at this Help section: How merge works. It is a relatively recent addition to the Help notes and is an excellent explanation. Teallach (talk) 13:46, 12 April 2025 (EDT)
JLaTondre, Would you dare unreject the merge and try to find out what it causes? Be prepared for a lot of repair work afterwards....--Dirk P Broer (talk) 05:34, 13 April 2025 (EDT)
Rejected it once again note the exact affected records.--Dirk P Broer (talk) 05:52, 13 April 2025 (EDT)
I unrejected it, merged it, and then varianted the result (as I said would need to be done above) to John R. Pierce. See the result where everything is fine. All solutions to solving required at least 2 edits (merge/variant, import/remove, add/merge/remove). But none break anything and require "a lot of repair work afterwards". -- JLaTondre (talk) 07:53, 13 April 2025 (EDT)
The result looks exact as I saw it eight hours ago, so what is preventing Username to start the complete circus yet again?--Dirk P Broer (talk) 13:05, 13 April 2025 (EDT)
It is not the same as before. The unverified pub that used to have it as by John R. Pierce now has it as by J. R. Pierce (matching the IA scan). The parent no longer has any pubs. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:23, 13 April 2025 (EDT)
This is the real parent record (not the +2 version), looking just like the previous parent record did: the canonical name (John R. Pierce) with all publications under it, including those of the variant name (J. R. Pierce) as variant title. So Username can again merge those two titles because he thinks one of them is a fake variant -don't say I did not warn you!--Dirk P Broer (talk) 18:05, 13 April 2025 (EDT)
I will make one last attempt, then I am going to drop it. As he states above, Username was fixing the issue where the one pub had John R. Pierce as the credit when it should really have been J. R. Pierce. The merge, following by a variant, is a valid method to resolve that. I have explained this several times and shown the difference in the database state pre- and post- change. Your link and my link are both the real parent. The +2 version shows that there is no longer a pub that has the canonical title. Username is not going to submit another merge as what he was trying to achieve has been achieved. If you still are not getting it, then maybe someone else can explain it better. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:50, 13 April 2025 (EDT)
Please enlighten me, was a merge of the canonical title record and the variant title record the best procedure here, or could it just as well have been resolved with a simple 'remove title' and 'add title' to that specific publication? --Dirk P Broer (talk) 18:25, 15 April 2025 (EDT)
[11] -- JLaTondre (talk) 12:10, 16 April 2025 (EDT)

Variants Again

For whatever reason the mod above has a problem with 2 of my edits and even after another mod explained they were both acceptable he's still complaining so what I'm going to do is do both of them over again and another mod can approve them. OK, I just made them. --Username (talk) 23:13, 11 April 2025 (EDT)

You should have waited for the discussion to be completed. -- JLaTondre (talk) 07:01, 12 April 2025 (EDT)
Look, I've had trouble with this mod and others incorrectly rejecting my edits for their own personal reasons. It wastes too much time trying to convince them otherwise so you, as the mod who said both were acceptable, could accept my new edits and end this whole thing. Every minute I have to reply on this board is time lost for making other edits. --Username (talk) 07:04, 12 April 2025 (EDT)
You might make use of the 'note to moderator' field to give the moderator more info, and you might be rightfully proved wrong, when it concerns variants.--Dirk P Broer (talk) 06:00, 13 April 2025 (EDT)
Dickinson title and Pierce name merges have both been accepted by another mod so obviously my edits were correct in the first place; in the future don't waste our time with your incorrect rejections because you're mad about whatever and also read the link someone provided you about merging so this doesn't happen again in the future since, as a part-time mod these days, you may have missed some of the updated rules. --Username (talk) 08:49, 13 April 2025 (EDT)
Can you try to explain to me why the present Pierce situation is so much better than two days ago?--Dirk P Broer (talk) 18:07, 13 April 2025 (EDT)
I've already explained above. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:51, 13 April 2025 (EDT)

chapbook conversions

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2069447

I have just sent in the chapbook conversions for the seven books under this title. Gaz Faustus (talk) 08:36, 11 April 2025 (EDT)

Approved, thanks for the heads up. John Scifibones 08:48, 11 April 2025 (EDT)

Another chapbook conversion

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2520611

the 2 pubs under this title have been submitted for converting - Gaz Faustus (talk) 12:21, 12 April 2025 (EDT)

Approved. Parent created, thanks for the heads up. John Scifibones 13:08, 12 April 2025 (EDT)

yet another chapbook conversion

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2764251

Just submitted these two for converting - Gaz Faustus (talk) 12:42, 16 April 2025 (EDT)

chapbook conversions

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1708845

Another set of step 2 submissions. Faustus (talk) 08:26, 17 April 2025 (EDT)