User talk:Willem H./Archive/09

Queen of Angels

Added notes [there were none] and a precise date [from review slip] to [this]. --~ Bill, Bluesman 04:11, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! --Willem 22:02, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

D. C. Fontana

Is the forward by the above in [this] edition credited as D. C. or D. E.? I'm entering the SFBC omnibus edition's contents and that essay has D. E. on its title page. I'll make the pseudonym/variant, it's just whether or not both versions need to be so. I won't merge the titles as yet. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:33, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Mine is definitely credited to D. C. Cheers! --Willem 22:01, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Airs of Earth

Added Bruce Pennington as artist to [this] record, the artwork is on his official website. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:36, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Nice find. Thanks! --Willem 20:48, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

The Silmarillion

You have verified publications of this title so this discussion should be of interest. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:36, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Added my 2c there. Thanks! --Willem 20:47, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Berkley ed. of The Omega Man / I Am Legend

Can you confirm that the film title is NOT stated on the title page of this second printing? According to the verifier of the third printing, both are stated. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 21:05, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Also, according to the artist's website, Mort Kunstler painted the artwork for the movie which was used in the Berkley tie-in editions. You can add his credit to the record, giving this as the source. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:08, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Kevin is right. Mine is the same. I changed the title and added notes. Thanks! --Willem 21:34, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

The Book of Virgil Finlay

I added two illustrations, breaking the art on p. 34 in The Book of Virgil Finlay into three separate items. I'll have to merge them with the other two editions once they are approved and variant them to the original art. Bob 01:01, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

I changed the title of #2 to conform with the others. Looks good to me. Thanks, --Willem 19:33, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

"The Other Wind", by Ursula K. Le Guin

I added the Earthsea map as an Interior Art content item to your verified publication. Chavey 18:33, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! --Willem 19:33, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

A. Den Doolaard vs. A. den Doolaard

Hi, I changed the Canonical name 'A. Den Doolaard' into 'A. den Doolaard'. I've left the family name/sorting name 'Den Doolaard'.--Dirk P Broer 10:14, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. There may be a lot more like that. --Willem 20:36, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Bicentennial Man

Found a signature on thee cover of [this], I have a different printing but same artwork. It's on the left side, about 5mm below the shoulder, on the white background. Very faint, tried various scans but couldn't get it to resolve. Any ideas? [same note to Don] Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:04, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

You're right, very faint. Could end in 'ard' or something. Rings no bell. --Willem 21:04, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for checking!I didn't want to prejudice your 'reading', but I thought the last name started with 'John .....', unfortunately what I could see with my eyes was WAY better than any of the 10/12 ways I tried scanning ..... --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:34, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Kleine Fredric Brown Omnibus

Hi Willem, the actual cover artist for this is Hieronymus Bosch, compare to this US edition, or to this art site. This is probably not the only case where Dick Bruna as cover designer/retoucher got the complete cover art credit. Thanks. Horzel 13:30, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Same goes for 1999 Was Me 't Jaartje Wel. Horzel 13:38, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

You're right about the egg-on-legs, but the rest of the cover is by Dick Bruna. I added Hieronymus Bosch to the COVERART title, and added a note about this. Thanks, --Willem 11:01, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Art of Richard Powers

Co-verifiying [this] and then realized my copy has only the UK price on the dust jacket, no other anywhere in/on the book/jacket. Where are the CDN/US prices on yours?? [my copy does have a full number line] --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:27, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Prices are on the front flap of the dustjacket. See this scan. Do you think this is worth a new publication record? Looks like only the dustjacket is different. --Willem 11:15, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

I'll just add a note. If it only had the US/CDN prices, maybe so. There may just be multiple-priced covers for export?? Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:02, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

"In the Land of the Unblind", by Judith Merril

While verifying a book of mine that contained "In the Land of Unblind", I noticed that it was a poem, and not the "Short Fiction" that we currently have it listed as. I checked it with another book I have that contains that title, and verified that it was a poem there as well. An essay in Galactic Central refers to it as a poem, and Judith Merril's daughter lists it as a poem in her bibliography of Merril's work. So unless someone knows a reason otherwise, I'll be changing that work to a poem in a couple of days. Since this affects a content item in 7 different verified publications, including one of yours, I am asking those verifiers to post any comments about this change on my talk page (to keep any such comments together). Chavey 07:34, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Responded there. --Willem 10:35, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

King's Bag of Bones

I was checking my copy of the Scribner edition against this record and saw that it (my copy) doesn't have a printed price. Our records don't show that there was ever a book club edition (Locus doesn't show one either) and my copy doesn't have any of the usual indications of being one...other than the lack of a price. It has the publisher's retailer's code for the date and price on the back of the dustjacket: "09982750". First four digits are the month of publication (September 1998) and the last four are the price code (never exactly the retail price). My copy also has the ISBN and the UPC barcode on the back of the jacket. The copyright page also seems to be the standard one with Library of Congress Cataloging in Publication data and a complete number line. 'Tis a puzzlement. Can you confirm that your copy has a printed price on its dustjacket. Thanks. Mhhutchins

Prices are on the front flap of the dustjacket. See this scan. Otherwise my copy is exactly as you describe. Hope that helps. --Willem 21:25, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes it does. But now to worry how my copy came to have no price! Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:40, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Deleted the temporary scan. --Willem 09:46, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

The Best of Henry Kuttner - Cover artist

Hi, I found the cover artist for The Best of Henry Kuttner. It is Dean Ellis.--Dirk P Broer 07:49, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

No. You found a tumblr page which sources another tumblr page which sources another tumblr page which credits the work to Dean Ellis. I could create another tumblr account and credit it to myself. IMHO, there should be a more reliable secondary source before adding this credit to the ISFDB record. But I'll let the PV editors debate that point. Mhhutchins 18:07, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Well, someone has changed the record, so my post was a waste of time. Time for me to open a tumblr account. I could add a lot of publishing credits to my resume. Mhhutchins 17:04, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

I guess that makes it my problem. I'll start a rules and standards discussion. --Willem 20:09, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

As on a Darkling Plain

Hi, I found your cover artist, it is Dean Ellis, look at this title Wenn die Sterne verlöschen for the same picture in mirror-image, where Dean Ellis is credited.--Dirk P Broer 10:32, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

The same as for "The Best of Henry Kuttner". Ellis is not credited in "Wenn die Sterne verlöschen" (see the notes), but is mentioned in a blog. I'll add a note about the probable artist. Thanks, --Willem 13:48, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

The Lost Ones

Hi, I've found a site that confirms Don Erickson's suspicion about Dean Ellis (him again) being the artist for the cover of The Lost Ones. I've sent a mail to him, asking for his source as you claim the Avon book has the art as not credited. He has lots more, I hope his mail is elaborate enough to credit more covers.--Dirk P Broer 11:15, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Let's wait for his answer. Might be a good source. Thanks, --Willem 14:21, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Damon Runyon's "Gevoel voor Humor "

Can you confirm whether this story is genre or not? Someone has flagged its parent record as non-genre. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 18:47, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

I see, I forgot to set the flag for the translation. Corrected now. Thanks! --Willem 19:37, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Linking of the Perry Rhodan issues

In the process of handling the cleanup reports of "Invalid Record URLs in Notes", the Perry Rhodan links that go from issue to issue are being reported as "bad", because that format of publication link is no longer "fully supported". I updated a bunch of these links today (from issues #950 to #999), and I can update them all, but there are problems with what to do about the links that go to missing issues. If you have the chance, could you join us in this conversation? There's some background in the first set of comments, but the stuff directly relevant to the Perry Rhodan series occurs right at the "unindent" point. Thanks, Chavey 07:29, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

The Rithian Terror

Hi I found the cover artist for your verified copy of The Rithian Terror. It is Chris Achilléos. No vague website here!.--Dirk P Broer 19:59, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Edits for both editions made and pv's informed. --Willem 09:33, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Science Fiction & Fantasy Book Review: The Complete Series

Is the reviewer for Soul Catcher on page 128 of publication credited as "Katharine" or "Katherine"? We have both variants in the database. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 23:56, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Credited to "Katherine". I added the pseudonym/variant relation. Thanks! --Willem 09:13, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

The Goblin Tower

Found initials on the cover of [this] about halfway up the arch on the right side: ©YW78, at least it looks like 'YW'. Any ideas? --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:35, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Alas none. Hauck 09:20, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

The "W" looks a bit like Michael Whelan's but not his style, and what's the "Y" doing there. No idea :( --Willem 11:00, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

I looked at every cover artist here with those initials, no luck.Don Erikson 19:05, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Anyone know Celtic?? The initials sort of look like runes ...... was sort of sure I'd seen these before, but not on a cover. Checked every Verification Request that we have and no luck there. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:57, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

"The Unnaturals" by Kaufmann or Kaufman

Can you check your verified publication record to determine whether this title record should be varianted with a new pseudonym or merged due to a typo with this one? The latter form of the name appears to be the canonical one. Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:24, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

It was a typo. Corrected now & merged. Thanks! --Willem 11:43, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Escape from Loki

Hi Willem. In your verified Escape from Loki, 2nd printing, I notice the page numbers stop at 214, the rest being unnumbered. From what I can tell of the rules, the pages for the pub should then be 214+[17], with the "About the Author" content being on page [215] and the Python Isle excerpt being on page [219]. Also, on the title page, "Escape from Loki" has a subtitle: "Doc Savage's First Adventure". Would it be appropriate to add a note, something like "The title page states 'Escape from Loki' over 'Doc Savage's First Adventure'." Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 02:12, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

I think you're right about the page count. Please discuss this with Ahasuerus (verifier of the first printing), probably both should be changed. I don't think 'Doc Savage's First Adventure' should be considered a subtitle. A note would i.m.h.o. be more appropriate. If I remember correctly I just cloned the first printing. Thanks, --Willem 19:21, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Good idea, I will drop him a note. I was only using "subtitle" in the generic sense. I never meant that it should be added to the title, but just a note, since it was on the title page. Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 00:27, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Seahorse in the Sky

Is the Gutter code in [this] actually '23L' and not '25L'? The copy I have has the latter but it's kind of blurry. Just wanted to be sure as to whether I add a second gutter code to the notes or correct the one that's there. Everything else seems to be the same. And, somehow I don't think this would be a title that would be reprinted two weeks after the first printing .... ?? Thanks! --~ Bill, Bluesman 05:47, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

I agree it's a bit blurry, but definitely '23L' in my copy. Are you sure yours has '25L'? --Willem 19:24, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Yep. Best guess is they didn't print enough to match the orders or possibly the first print run just got stalled .... Anyway, I'll add the other code to the notes. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:29, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Map in The Heritage of Hastur

Please join in this discussion regarding the map in The Heritage of Hastur. Thanks. --Ron ~ Rtrace^Talk 01:35, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Lost Dorsai cover artist is Enric

Take a look here for cover artist information on Lost Dorsai. The artist's signature is fuzzy but visible.SFJuggler 02:56, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

I notified the other active verifiers. The origin of the notification was this discussion. If no one disagrees I'll change the credit and copy the note from Destinies. --Willem 20:23, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I agree with the change; the original credit must have been assigned based on the credit for the INTERIORART. Bob 22:31, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I agree, too. I was not able to find a cover credit of any kind. All of the Fernandez crediting referred only to "illustrations". The notes will need adjusting. Maybe you could do the master and then copy/paste into all of the others? --MartyD 12:06, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

I agree with the change; I was fifth verifier and a bit lazy. Let me know if there's anything you'd like me to do. Doug 19:06, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Somehow I didn't expect any objections. Changes are made, and notes added. Thanks! --Willem 20:01, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Gary D. Harber or Barber

Can you confirm the credit for this record? Someone credited as Gary D. Barber had reviews in other issues of the same periodical and I suspect they're the same. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 05:45, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for finding this typo! Barber it is, corrected now. --Willem 19:20, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Željko Pahek

Could you please check if Željko Pahek is credited as "Željko Pahek" or as "Zeljko Pahek" in your verified Spectrum 5: The Best in Contemporary Fantastic Art? If it's the latter, we may need to create a pseudonym. TIA! Ahasuerus 19:46, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

No need for a pseudonym. It's "Željko Pahek". I corrected the title record. Thanks, --Willem 20:45, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Zelazny books

If you are still interested in editing the Zelazny entries, can you add the following for me?

The Collected Stories V4: Last Exit to Babylon should have its second edition added. It's identical to the first edition except it reads "SECOND EDITION, May 2013" on the copyright page. As with the other second editions in this series, it contains revisions to the annotations and biography, as well as correction of typos. Same page count, price, and ISBN as first edition.

The Collected Stories V6: The Road to Amber second edition reads "SECOND EDITION, September 2013" on the copyright page. Revisions to annotations, biography, and correction of any typos. Same page count, price, and ISBN as first edition.

[V5: Nine Black Doves has not yet been republished but should be in the next few months. Varying print run sizes account for much of the discrepancies.]

The Ides of Octember: A Pictorial Bibliography of Roger Zelazny second edition can be added. It reads "Second Edition" on the cover and spine, as well as the title and copyright pages. "SECOND EDITION, January 2015" on the copyright page. ©2010, 2015 by Christopher S. Kovacs on the copyright page. 405 pages. Different ISBN - 978-1-61037-309-8. $26.00. Contains approximately 100 changes, including many additions of older items (overlooked or unknown when the first edition was assembled) as well as newer material.

If you need any more details, let me know. Thanks.--Ckovacs 21:09, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. The new editions are added here: Last Exit to Babylon, The Road to Amber and The Ides of Octember. Can you check the data? --Willem 11:28, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks very much for doing this. One small change to make, with the first edition of V4 (LAST EXIT TO BABYLON) you'd noted that "The" was missing from "The Doctrine of the Perfect Lie" on the TOC. This typo was corrected in the 2nd edition, so your carry-over Note about it can be dropped from the entry for the 2nd edition.

A question: shouldn't THE IDES OF OCTEMBER bibliography be linked somehow from the Roger Zelazny page? Perhaps in the header (Bibliographic Comments) or as a separate listing (Bibliographies)? The AMBER DREAMS bibliography by Levack, ROGER ZELAZNY: MASTER OF AMBER by Stephenson-Payne, A CHECKLIST OF ROGER ZELAZNY by Christopher P. Stephens, and ROGER ZELAZNY: A PRIMARY AND SECONDARY BIBLIOGRAPHY by Joseph L. Sanders should also be grouped in the same location.

Similarly, should author biographies somehow be listed on or linked from the author's main page? In addition to the six-part "...AND CALL ME ROGER" biography that is in the six-volume collection, there are the three older ROGER ZELAZNY biographies by Jane M. Lindskold, Carl B. Yoke, and Theodore Krulik (all listed in the ISFDB), but none of these are indicated on the Roger Zelazny page. Plus there's the "...AND CALL ME ROGER" excerpt that was published in The New York Review of Science Fiction.

I think it makes sense for author biographies and bibliographies to be listed on the page of the author they're referring to (because that's where I'd expect a reader to look to find them when the titles are not known to the reader), but I don't know if ISFDB has a policy for or against this. --Ckovacs 04:10, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

I removed the note from V4 (LAST EXIT TO BABYLON). Should be ok now.

About THE IDES OF OCTEMBER, I would love to see it (and other works about the author) linked from Zelazny's page, but the software has no option to do so since Zelazny is the subject and not the author. I'll draw the attention of Ahasurerus here, it might become a feature request. --Willem 18:55, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

That would be Features Request 32, originally submitted by yours truly back in 2006 :-) It's certainly possible to implement, but will take a fair amount of work. Ahasuerus 19:07, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

I agree that this would make a very nice improvement. To do this, though, it seems like a lot of decisions would need to be made first, e.g. (1) Do we attach research articles and essays to an author, or just books? (2) Does Bould's book "Fifty Key Figures in Science Fiction" get attached to 50 authors? etc. Chavey 01:34, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Suffix

In this record a story is credited to "Gerben Hellinga Junior". According to the help page about entering suffixes, they "should be regularized if they are not presented this way in the publication." Thus it should be entered as "Gerben Hellinga, Jr." without having a pseudonym and variant. Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:59, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Corrected now. --Willem 10:35, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Beauty and the Beasts: The Art of Hannes Bok

You verified Beauty and the Beasts: The Art of Hannes Bok. In the notes you say that the copies are numbered, but mine is not. Are you sure your's is? I intend to add the Gerry de la Ree colophon on p. 128 to the contents unless you object. I haven't yet decided if I will pursue the addition of the contents for Hannes Bok art pubs as I have for Frazetta and Finlay; would you object if I did so? Bob 19:31, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, my copy is numbered, just like the other de la Ree editions. I think you should add a note about the existence of unnumbered copies. I have no objections at all to adding contents to any of my art verifications. --Willem 10:41, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Gavagan's Bar

Hi. Please see my talk page regarding the extent of the expansion of the book - or, to quickly repeat here: given the Twayne has 23 stories and the Owlswick has 29, it must have been expanded by 6 (a genuine expansion that gathers them all) rather than a sarcasm-quoted 'expansion' of 1. ;) Thanks. --J-Sun 08:03, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Gormenghast Trilogy

Picked up a boxed set similar to [this] but with some notable differences. No SBN, no printed price [but a publisher's sticker with $2.85], none of the three books credit Pepper but each of the books has the same printing statement: "Ballantine Books Illustrated, Revised Edition: First Printing October, 1968". What printings are the editions in your set, and is/are they the source of the date? Plus two of the three have bound-in glossy pages of drawings. Thanks! --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:40, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

My box has the 4th printing of the novels. There's a link to the publications in the notes. The box has no date, I took that from the pubs, the SBN can be seen on the scan. So they also did a box of the 1st printings, I have those as separate books (with the glossy pages in volume 1 and 2). Nice catch! --Willem 18:34, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, after posting this I looked a little more at the other listings of the novels and sort of figured things out. I'll just clone from your entry and change the title date. I did find Pepper's signature on the artwork of each volume, just a little more hidden on the first and third volumes, but it is there [roughly bottom center of each edition, quite hidden in the shadows of Vol 1/3]. I'll also use your image as the box from my find isn't in very good shape, though the books were excellent. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:23, 2 April 2015 (UTC)--~ Bill, Bluesman 00:23, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Dreamweaver's Dilemma by Lois McMaster Bujold discussion

Please come participate over here so we can keep all the discussion in one place. Thanks! Nihonjoe 21:53, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Men of Iron

I have changed the classification of Men of Iron by Robert E. Howard from SHORTFICTION to ESSAY. You verified one of the pubs containing this item. Would you please comment here about such a change? I should note that the latest pub in which this item appears classifies it as an essay as well. Bob 00:23, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

A for Anything

Your verified A for Anything has Newton Meyers listed twice as the cover artist. Is this a database error (duplicate record created somehow) and the second record should be deleted? Or was it an entry error (meant to enter another name as second artist)? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 01:47, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

No idea how that got in the database. There's only one Meyers credited. I got rid of the twin brother. :) Thanks for bringing this to my attention. --Willem 10:57, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

"Orson Scott Card's InterGalactic Medicine Show"

You verified this publication with interior artwork for "To Know All Things That Are in the Earth" as by "James Owens". "James Owen" (no "s") claims here that he is that artist. Could you check whether that was a data entry error, or a typo on their part that needs to be a pseudonym? Thanks, Chavey 15:45, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

He's credited as "James Owens". I created a variant, not a pseudonym because there's also a piece of shortfiction as by James Owens. Thanks, --Willem 18:25, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

You're right, and that seems to actually be by someone with that name. Thanks for cleaning that up. Chavey 04:43, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

By not creating a pseudonym (which I agree is the proper way to go here), you've created another error, since the database software requires that either a) the authors of variants must match exactly or b) they must have a canonical/pseudonym relationship. (See how the title shows up on this report.) That's why in cases where the art credit is an obvious typo, I believe it should be corrected and noted. We add art credit when it's not credited in the publication, if from a reliable secondary source. Why not make corrections when the credit for the art in the publication is an obvious typo? Mhhutchins 03:33, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

I should have known this meant trouble :( I could have corrected the credit, but in this case I think it's better to disambiguate the author. I changed the credit to "James Owens (artist)". Thanks! --Willem 13:00, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Ace Fantasy => Ace Books

Hello, I took the liberty to regularize the publisher for your verified pub and this other as there were only 3 books attributed to this specific publisher. Hope that you'll agree. Hauck 15:12, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Re: Title update

In your verified record of Getting Home, there is a note referencing 2000.5 - A Spaced Oddity. I am updating the August 1973 issue of Vertex and this title also shows the ½ symbol. The note cites possible browser incompatibility for not displaying such a symbol. I'm wondering if this is even applicable by today's standards and should we update the title record to reflect how this title appears in the publications. Your thoughts? John - Syzygy 19:46, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

I don't think that is a problem anymore. Advanced search already shows 22 titles with ½ (now 23). I updated the record and deleted the note. Thanks for finding this! --Willem 19:56, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Great! And thanks for your prompt response. Syzygy 21:08, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

De Grote Onttakeling

Hello, perhaps that the credit of this publication should be reconsidered as per that one. IMHO the style is more McKie than Roberts'. Hauck 18:03, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

The cover is credited to Roberts. It might be wrong, but I think there should be more solid evidence than this before I can change the credit. --Willem 08:11, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Edd Cartier: The Known and the Unknown

Notes for this book that you PV'd states "numbered" copies. My copy merely has "Limited to 2000 copies" on rear page and is unnumbered --Mavmaramis 12:23, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

The number is in the circle above the angel's head. This also happened with Hannes Bok's Beauty and the Beasts. I added a note about the missing number in your copy. Ps, questions should go on this page, not the notes and images page. Thanks, --Willem 13:36, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Ok will do. Different contributors have different methods of informing them - some do it via talk page others via a different page which makes things confusing. I double checked my copy given your note about the number being in the angel and it's definitely not numbered and the text below the angel states "Limited to 2000 copies." Does that mean that there are two variant editions (one numbered, one not) ? --Mavmaramis 18:51, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Probably not, otherwise they look identical. I think the note is enough. Do you remember where your copy came from? I bought mine from Gerry de la Ree when it was published. --Willem 19:04, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Indeed I know exactly where and when I purchased it. Purchased 25 March 2009 from a bookshop on the Holloway Road, London called "Fantasy Centre." That was my last visit to that shop before they closed for good. I agree that I think that your note is enough. --Mavmaramis 17:17, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Gray Morrow

I also have a copy of this book but am confused about the number line sequence. I have been told that the last number in the sequence indicates the edition (in this case 2). Could you clarify this for me please ? --Mavmaramis 14:52, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

See the answer here. The lowest number is the printing number. --Willem 18:40, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Voices in the Dark

Re this book. Copyright page of my copy gives "Digit Books are published by Brow, Watson Ltd." and the copyright of 1960 is also to them. Wouldn't that make Digit an imprint ? Should the publisher not read Digit / Brown, Watson ? --Mavmaramis 11:42, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Might be. I personally don't care one way or the other. The Brown, Watson page has a note that says enough for me. If you think it must be changed, ik might be better to start a discussion on the Rules and Standards page, since there are dozens of primary verifiers of Digit books. --Willem 19:34, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Kuldesak

Cover art for this book is by Jim Burns, referenced in this book. Record edited accordingly. --Mavmaramis 05:05, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! I added the pagenumber. --Willem 08:39, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

First link should be this book - bad pasting on my part. --Mavmaramis 09:58, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Padgett's Tomorrow and Tomorrow and The Fairy Chessmen

Please see this discussion. Thanks. --Ron ~ Rtrace^Talk 23:56, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

"Patternmaster", by Octavia Butler

In doing a primary2 verification on your verified publication, I noticed that this book had the unusual feature of an "About the Author" that was written in the first person and officially credited to the author. I thought that was interesting enough to add it as a content item. (I also added the Canadian price.) Chavey 08:33, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I added a note about this. --Willem 09:43, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Weist's Frank R. Paul Book

If you've no objections, I'd like to replace the single interiorart title in Jerry Weist's Frank R. Paul: The Dean of Science Fiction Illustration with individual titles for each piece. I'd also like to add a couple of sidebar items that are missing (e.g the Roger Hill essay on page 14) and add the Worldcat number to the notes. Lastly, I should be able to get a full scan of the cover. Thanks. --Ron ~ Rtrace^Talk 20:22, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Feel free to do so with any of my verified art books. I simply haven't got the time to do it myself. Thanks! --Willem 09:45, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Orbit Poster Book

I believe that the cover for this item is Tony Roberts not Chris Foss. The image was used as the cover for this book. However I'll merely note "Cover art may be Tony Roberts. Attribution unconfirmed (in his style/assumed). Reused for cover of "The Mote in God's Eye." --Mavmaramis 19:00, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Submission approved. I have no idea where the Foss credit came from. There's a good chance the artist is Tony Roberts, the other three artists all signed their work (see the posters inside), and the cover is unsigned. Thanks! --Willem 19:53, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Elric at the End of Time

Hi Willem, another user queried me about the price on Elric at the End of Time so I double checked and it was £7.95. So I'm guessing your £8.95 edition is a slightly later printing. --Unapersson 08:10, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! I cloned your edition and moved my verification. --Willem 10:09, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

The Ice Monkey

Re this book. Rear flap of dust wrapper states "Jacket illustration by Eddie Gornall." Record amended accordingly. --Mavmaramis 18:40, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! --Willem 19:57, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Beauty and the Beasts: The Art of Hannes Bok

Willem, I'd like to add detailed contents to Beauty and the Beasts. Do you have any problem with me doing that? Bob 17:22, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

No problem, please do! Thanks! --Willem 18:43, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Nebula Winners 14

Cover art for this book is by Bruce Pennington, credited on his Facebook page here. Record amended accordingly. --Mavmaramis 10:59, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! --Willem 18:59, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Laurence James

With regards to the following books. Covers for all three are by Bruce Pennington.

Earth Lies Sleeping see here

Starcross see here

Backflash see here

With regards to the following books.

Planet of the Blind New Life for Old

Covers for both are by Patrick Woodroffe and credited on page 130-131 of Mythopoeikon

Records amended accordingly. --Mavmaramis 05:06, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Sin in Space

Cover art for this book is by Robert Stanley, credit from here. Record amended accordingly. --Mavmaramis 05:46, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! --Willem 19:45, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Mythmaster

Cover artist of this book is Colin Hay credited in this book. Record amended accordingly. --Mavmaramis 11:23, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! --Willem 19:45, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Cover artist for Macroscope

Hi, Willem. I added the cover artist and a note to this book. Christian Stonecreek 18:00, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the artist. I changed the note a little bit, the credit probably came from the Gregg press edition. --Willem 19:38, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

The Hugo Winners, Volumes One and Two

When you find the time, could you please have a look at this verification request, you are one of the primary verifiers of the book in question. Thanks, Patrick -- Herzbube ^Talk 14:48, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

My comments are there. Thanks! --Willem 19:48, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Strange Visitors: The Return of the Malmo

In your verified Spacewreck: Ghostships and Derelicts of Space, you list the story on page 60 as Strange Visitors: The Return of the Malmo. In Mavmaramis's verified Spacewreck: Ghostships and Derelicts of Space, the same story is given as Strange Visitors: Return of the Malmo (no "The"). Would you two please double check and see if one of these is an error? There is also an associated illustration. I will point Mavmaramis to this discussion. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:15, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

It is "The" - I'll correct the entries. --Mavmaramis 16:18, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Friday

Cover artwork for [this pb] is the same as [the hardcover] which credits Gerald Grace. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:56, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! I added the artist and informed Dirk. Cheers! --Willem 20:00, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Fortec Conspiracy

The signature on the artwork is M Hooks. The copy I just found is quite clean but still had to magnify it to see clearly. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:11, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! Credit and note added. Cheers! --Willem 07:15, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Artist for _Mensen, Martianen, Machines_

Hello, with the help of Mavmaramis, I took the liberty to change the artist from Jeffrey Ridge to John Harris for this publication, the artwork is credited here and more importantly in pages 74-75 of this book . Hauck 17:54, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Same for this pub from Roberts to McKie. Hauck 18:07, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

The Tar-Aiym Krang

Hi Willem, in my opinion the cover art for this later edition *is* the work of Dean Ellis too, so let's assume the statement on the copyright page is correct, even though the cover art differs from the 1972 edition. Horzel 10:01, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Auel - The Mammoth Hunters

Hi, I found the cover artist fo this book. It's Geoff Taylor, found on his website here. --Mavmaramis 16:10, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! --Willem 07:52, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Green Mars 6th Printing

It looks like we have two entries for the 6th printing of the Bantam Spectra mass market paperback edition of Green Mars; yours and one submitted by Pip55. Do you see any issue in combining them? Pips55 hasn't been responsive in a few years. Thanks, Albinoflea 00:46, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Because Pips55 is absent, I deleted my entry and moved my verification. Thanks for noticing this. --Willem 07:54, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Albinoflea 19:54, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

The Art of the Fantastic

I'd like to enter the artwork in The Art of the Fantastic from Gerry de la Ree that you verified. Is that acceptable to you? Bob 19:56, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Please do! --Willem 19:59, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! Bob 21:08, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

The New Adam

Cover artist for this book is Patrick Woodroffe, credited on page 136 of Mythopoeikon. Record amended accordingly. --Mavmaramis 18:33, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Smith's "The City of the Singing Flame"

I was reading the story notes for the Night Shade edition of Clark Ashton Smith's stories and I discovered that there are multiple versions of his story "The City of the Singing Flame". It appears that it when it was published in the Spring 1940 issue of Tales of Wonder, the editor combined the story with its sequel "Beyond the Singing Flame" by altering some of Smith's prose and adding a bridging paragraph. Further, when Smith was preparing Out of Space and Time, he was unable to locate either his carbon or a copy of the original Wonder Stories appearance of the tale and instead sent along tear sheets from Tales of Wonder containing the combined story. I have compared the two versions from the Night Shade collection which contains the original story and the Bison reprint of Out of Space and Time which contains the combined story. The former ends with "Tomorrow, I shall return to the city." Whereas the combined version ends with "And there, at length, we came once more to the greyish-green columns that were the gateway between worlds." I have corrected my copy of Out of Space and Time as well as the unverified copies. You have volume 1 of the Panther reprint which probably needs the same correction. Thanks. --Ron ~ Rtrace^Talk 02:27, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

The same story notes also mention that the combined version of the story was used for August Derleth's anthology The Other Side of the Moon. You have a verified copy of this reprint which may also need to be corrected. I've also observed that the title wording can vary with either instance of the word "the" being dropped. I'll also leave a note on the other verifiers pages. Thanks. --Ron ~ Rtrace^Talk 12:22, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Combined version in Dell12-1966 pb, linked to the correct title.Hauck 14:27, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

The Panther reprint contains the combined version and is divided up into 7 headed segments (chapters ?). "Tomorrow, I shall return to the city." is at the end of the third segment. Title of story is "The City of the Singing Flame". The Mayflower-Dell 1966 edition of The Other Side of the Moon also has this combined version also as "The City of the Singing Flame" but is not divided into segemtnts. Hope that helps.--Mavmaramis 16:55, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

I corrected the two Panther editions. --Willem 07:55, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Paradox: the At of Stephen Youll

I've added notes and will add contents to Pardox -- just notifying you since you're the primary. Susan O'Fearna 18:28, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! --Willem 07:56, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Raum

This pub was illustrated by Stephen Fabian. I am entering portfolios and books of Fabian's art and one portfolio has two illustrations from that pub. Would you please enter the individual illustrations? The two in the portfolio are from the chapter "Upon Entering the World" and the chapter "Among the Vikings". There is also an illustration of a knight charging on horseback that was apparently drawn for this book but not used.

I entered the illustrations for Raum. 'Upon Entering the World' shows a knight in close-up with sword and shield, 'Among the Vikings' has a knight with an axe attacking another knight from behind, 'Three Elven Ladies' has two of the ladies with a vampire like creature holding one of the ladies and another man by the hair and 'Retribution' has a man with a sword on a rock in the sea, appatently in a heavy storm. Can you do the varianting? There also seems to be an illustration from Raum in Art Folio No. 2: Private Commissions. --Willem 08:19, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! Variants done. Much appreciated! Bob 19:11, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Likewise for The Sword Woman. This same portfolio has 4 illustrations from that pub, from the chapters "Res Adventura", "Who I Met Men Wearing Masks", "Mistress of Death" and "The Shadow of the Hun". Bob 17:30, 16 July 2015 (UTC) sa

I'm away from my collection at the moment. Back on july 26. --Willem 18:10, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Also entered the illustrations for Sword Woman. These illustrate the stories in this volume, not chapters. Can you do the varianting? Thanks, --Willem 19:17, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

I've varianted the last two. I'm familiar with the stories, but not this volume. The titles Fabian gives in the portfolio say "Ch." before the titles given above. The first two are not story titles, so let me describe them: Res Adventura shows Agnes with a sword in her right hand, a pistol in her left, three men falling in front of her, two men coming in a doorway behind her. Who I Met Men Wearing Masks shows Agnes in armor running her sword through the neck of an armored man with bushes in the foreground and a bigger bush or tree behind her. Can you identify these from my admittedly weak descriptions? Bob 19:11, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Perfect descriptions. I approved your edits, merged number one with the other existing titles of the same name (Sword Woman credits "REH: Lone Star Fictioneer #2" for the first publication) and varianted number two. Please check. Thanks, --Willem 19:46, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Great! Incidentally, hope you enjoyed your vacation! Sorry I forgot to say that before. Bob 01:32, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Women by Luis Royo

is the cover to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?472736 (just to verify...) Susan O'Fearna 17:26, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

and is the cover to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?472735 ? Susan O'Fearna 20:59, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

No on both counts. Malefic has the same illustration, but a different publisher, Women has a totally different illustration. I uploaded scans for both, so you can see the difference. Thanks, --Willem 19:59, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Seven Footprints to Satan cover art

Hello. I think the cover of this pub should be credited to Doug Rosa, as per this earlier printing. Cheers ! Linguist 09:40, 26 July 2015 (UTC).

I added the credit and a note about the source. --Willem 20:13, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Ad van Tiggelen / Adrian Stone

Because there are no published titles for Ad van Tiggelen other than being the subject of an interview in your verified record, do you think it would be better not to make Adrian Stone into a pseudonym? There is precedent to actually reverse the pseudonym relation when the author is more known under his pseudonym than his real name, e.g. William Tenn, Hal Clement, Cordwainer Smith, even George Orwell! This question arose because the Stone titles came up on a clean-up report which finds titles for pseudonyms which haven't been varianted. Since every work of spec-fic by this author has used the pseudonym and there are no works in his real name, I would recommend that we remove the pseudonym and show the subject of the interview to be Stone. What do you think? Mhhutchins 19:49, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

You're absolutely right. He published one novel and one shortstory under his own name, but the majority of his fiction under his pseudonym. I'll reverse the relation. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. --Willem 19:59, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Tussen de Planeten

I updated this record [1] with a price from The Royal Dutch Library can you look into this, if I is really the price they printed and not some other info, thank you. Wjmvanruth 12:34, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

The Royal Dutch Library is a good source. I personally prefer the permalink from other search option, that is more stable and has more data. Thanks! --Willem 20:38, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Ok thank you. Wjmvanruth 21:52, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

The Mutant Weapon vs. Med Service

Please see ISFDB:Community Portal#The Mutant Weapon vs. Med_Service as a primary verifier of The Mutant Weapon / The Pirates of Zan. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:44, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Fabian Art Books

I'd like to enter the content for Fantasy by Fabian and More Fantasy by Fabian. Please let me know if this is o.k. with your. Bob 23:19, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Please do. Thanks,--Willem 04:28, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

The Shuttered Room and Other Tales of Horror

Could you please check the title page of The Shuttered Room and Other Tales of Horror to see if the title is The Shuttered Room and Other Tales of Terror? The Shuttered Room and Other Tales of Terror has the same The Shuttered Room and Other Tales of Horror cover as your verified publication but uses "Terror" on the title page and has a different set of stories.

If your verified publication has The Shuttered Room and Other Tales of Horror on the title page then please add a pub-note that this has been checked and the title matches what's on the cover. Thank you. --Marc Kupper|talk 00:48, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Have checked and title page is "Horror" Prof beard 09:33, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Excellent. Thank you for checking this. --Marc Kupper|talk 17:20, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Couldn't respond sooner. Thanks! --Willem 17:29, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Alien Flesh Illustrations

Would you please match the illustrations in More Fantasy by Fabian, pp. 27-32 to the illustrations in Alien Flesh, since you own both pubs? That seems a lot easier than me describing the illos to you for identification. Bob 19:49, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for entering them! --Willem 20:28, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! Would you please look at the illustration on p. 35 of More Fantasy and variant it to the correct illustration in Sword Woman? Bob 18:20, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Nice illustration, I think I've seen it somewhere else, but it's not in Sword Woman alas. --Willem 15:20, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Interesting. I feel the same way, hope I can find it! Bob 20:12, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Found it! Page 25 of REH: Lone-Star Fictioneer No. 2, Summer 1975. Bob 20:37, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Bouwers van Ringwereld

Hi Willem, could you disambiguate this and this cover (different Peter Jones covers for different editions of same novel)? I don't know how. Thanks! Horzel 10:56, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Done. --Willem 15:09, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Raum Again

In Raum we identified the first two illustrations by Fabian as part of the "Sword & Sorcery" portfolio. There is one more, on p. 113 of Fantasy by Fabian. Could you please variant that illo? Bob 20:16, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Identified and varianted. Thanks, --Willem 20:27, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Godenschemering en andere verhalen

The cover art for this collection is the same as the cover art of Amazing Stories March 1960, so the cover artist is Albert Nuetzell. Thanks. Horzel 13:20, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! --Willem 19:02, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Cover artist for Keep the Giraffe Burning

I think I have found the true artist for this higher printing. According to the credit in this book it is Peter Gudynas. Any objections to putting him into the artist's slot? Also, what's with changing the publication's year to 1978 as based on the amazon source given in the notes? Christian Stonecreek 16:14, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

I have no objections, but I drew the other verifiers here. Let's wait for their opinion. Thanks, --Willem 09:20, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Source for the artist seems fine. As for the date, the notes incorrectly had January as the amazon.uk one when it's actually February [I altered the notes for that]. They can be quite accurate at times so as long as the source is noted ..... [I think the 1977-00-01 date was just to put it after the true '77 printing]. No objections from me. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:45, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Nor from me... Prof beard 09:43, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the responses! I changed the artist & the date and adapted the notes. Christian Stonecreek 12:58, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Skull-Face

I'm trying to find the original of an illustration titled "Skull Face by Robert E. Howard" by Fabian. Would you please check the frontispiece in Skull-Face from Berkley to see if it is a large skull, eyeballs in the eyes, women in one of the nostrils and to the right and left of the jaw and a nude woman from the rear in the left foreground? There is at least one other possibility I'm also checking. Bob 20:23, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, but no. The illustration is totally different, and clearly not by Fabian. --Willem 09:11, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

The Clocks of Iraz

Hi, the cover artist for this publication is Melvyn Grant, the partially visible signature is a stylized "M", compare it with the signature on your also verified Floating Worlds. Thanks. Horzel 14:50, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Nice find. Thanks! --Willem 18:52, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Duisternis over Diamondia

Cover artist for this is Albert Nuetzell again, since the cover art can also be found on Amazing Stories 1959-09. Horzel 10:25, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Credit and note added. Thanks! --Willem 09:20, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Guldenvuur

Cover artist Ashto Fisher should be Ashton Fisher, what has the copyright page to say? Look at the artist's site. Was a musician for Dr John the Nighttripper. I like his Conan covers for Bruna, not yet on ISFDB. Horzel 07:27, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Nice find. He's credited as 'Ashto Fisher', so I created a pseudonym and variant. Feel free to add publication records for the Conan books, they're not (yet) in my collection. --Willem 09:17, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Anita

Stephen Fabian illustrated Anita, a pub you verified. Several of the illustrations in that volume are in Women & Wonders. Would you please enter the individual illustrations for that pub? Bob 19:38, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Done. I found two illustrations in Women & Wonders that are probably from 'Anita'. 'The War at Foxhanger' should picture a damsel in distress with a young man holding a snake coming to the rescue, with several animals and an old woman visible. 'Timothy' is the same illustration as on the backcover of the book (see the scan). In this book there's an illustration titled'Anita', that claims to be the frontispiece of my book. Is this a witch flying on a broomstick over Anita holding a black cat? Can you do the varianting? --Willem 21:07, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Gloriana: Zijnde een Romance

I have a question about the title page from the coverart of 1895870 is there a need for a variant title, since you adapted the title into Gloriana: Zijnde een Romance the other Gloriana no longer excist to variant from . If I do not see this clearly please tell me so, thank you for added notes by the way. Wjmvanruth 16:35, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

I see I forgot to change the cover art title. Should be ok now. The variant is because the artist is credited as 'D. Groenendijk-Grimme', which I set up as a pseudonym for 'Dicky Groenendijk-Grimme'. Hope this answers your question. --Willem 18:31, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Ok I understand, thank you. Wjmvanruth 18:40, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

André

If you're not certain if the cover art title records for this artist are by Robert Andre, then the name will have to be disamgibuated to "André (I)". Otherwise an error occurs because Andre is currently given as a pseudonym. Thanks. Mhhutchins 07:02, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Not my work. Submission by Horzel was approved by Stonecreek. Looks like he/they forgot to do some varianting. I'll correct this. --Willem 07:22, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

You were the primary verifier, so I assumed you added the cover art credit and the notes. Thanks for doing the variants. Mhhutchins 15:52, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

I did the notes and the credit to 'André', as stated in the pubs, assuming I'd be informed of changes/proof. No harm done though. :) --Willem 18:24, 29 August 2015 (UTC)