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Proposal: exclude more "generic" authors from the "Selected Forthcoming Books" section of the homepage

I've noticed a couple of times recently that the list of forthcoming books on the homepage includes books by "uncredited" - examples are Disney tie-ins such as this one.

I had a look at the relevant code - the algorithm that determines which forthcoming books/authors to highlight is to go through the upcoming titles/pubs, and to select those credited to the top 2% of authors, as ranked by number of author page views.

Pertinently, the code that determines the top 2% explicitly excludes the author "unknown", but it seems to me that this exclusion could and should be extended to other "generic" authors, a provisional list, based on author IDs excluded from some of the nightly reports, being:

although it looks like there are probably others that might be usefully added to that list.

I have submitted a ticket and patch to implement the additional filtering out of these generic authors], but Ahasuerus pointed out that this should go through discussion on this page first.

NB: there are other potential improvements to how the selection for this list is done e.g. having the list dominated by a particular author if a number of their books are reissued on the same day. I'd be supportive to any such improvements, but I'd be concerned that such tweaks would be more complicated, whereas excluding these "generic" authors feels a much simpler and more obvious fix, IMHO at least. ErsatzCulture 12:07, 31 March 2021 (EDT)

I do not mind in principle but that will kick out a lot of anthologies which hide under uncredited. If we are ok with that, I am fine with kicking out anything that does not have a proper author name. :) Annie 12:12, 31 March 2021 (EDT)
Perhaps 'exclude all uncredited, except if it's anthologies'? Otherwise I think it a good idea MagicUnk 15:57, 1 April 2021 (EDT)
One thing to keep in mind is that the nature of the "Top Forthcoming" list has changed over the years. The number of published books has skyrocketed while the number of slots on the front page has remained the same. We now have over 216,000 author records, which means that more than 4,000 authors are theoretically eligible for a front page spot. I would say that at this point it's not so much a list of the "most popular books to be released soon" as it is a "sample of the kinds of books that we list".
That said, it's certainly possible for some or even most of the books published by "uncredited", "various", etc not to be in the top 2% of of our most popular books for the specified time window, so I can go along with the proposed changed. I am not in favor of discriminating based on the publication type since it would add complexity without adding much value. Ahasuerus 18:05, 1 April 2021 (EDT)
Then let's kick out uncredited and the rest of the above listed ones. With 22 places on the list, I would rather see a proper big author than uncredited anthology (IF we decide to do new page with Forthcoming per type for example, THAT would be different). Annie 18:41, 1 April 2021 (EDT)

Outcome

We have something approximating consensus, so I have implemented the submitted change (give or take some technical tweaks documented on SourceForge.) No more "uncredited" pubs on the front page from now on! Ahasuerus 16:46, 6 April 2021 (EDT)

Missing British Koontz

[1]; was on bookscans.com and came across this, https://www.bookscans.com/Oddities/face_of_fear.htm. The 1st cover is not on ISFDB and can't be found by me anywhere else. While searching I found this, [2], which has another cover not on ISFDB and also can't be found by me anywhere else. Anyone own either Sphere edition of The Face of Fear? --Username 12:32, 31 March 2021 (EDT)

Wheatley series

[3]; 5 entries on this list had no covers, so I found 4 of them. The Greater TRUMPs is the only 1 that eluded me. I ask anyone who can upload a scan of that cover to do so so this series can finally be complete. Also, should 2 of those on the list be by Sphere Books? All the others are by Sphere. --Username 22:24, 2 April 2021 (EDT)

Kurt Singer first edition

https://vaultofevil.proboards.com/thread/4685/kurt-singer-sleep-night?page=2 has a photo the same as on ISFDB, but Amazon has a page, https://www.amazon.com/Weird-Tales-Supernatural-Kurt-Singer/dp/B0000CN624, with a completely different cover from the same year. Which is the real first edition of [4]? --Username 12:32, 3 April 2021 (EDT)

Misspelled and ?wrong?

[5] misspells first name, and cover art is different from all others under his real name, Frederick Cantor. PV doesn't seem to be around much so I'll leave this here. Name needs fixing and probably doesn't belong on this edition, anyway, in which case it doesn't need fixing and can just be deleted. --Username 14:16, 3 April 2021 (EDT)

Possible Greenleaf genre book

I did a search for "Greenleaf Classics" on archive.org and exactly ONE book came up from that "adult" publisher, https://archive.org/details/lovering00best. Their copy has some GROSS stains on the inside cover; I don't want to know what they are. Judging by the illustration of the ring and the vaguely fantasy look of the cover I suspect it may have some genre content. There's almost no info online, just an Amazon page with no cover and a Catalog of Copyright Entries listing. Harold Bestwood, if that is his real name, has a few other "adult" books to his credit, including 1, Penny, which has a cover on Amazon with someone who looks like blaxploitation star Marilyn Joi. Anyone with an archive.org account who has the courage to read this and find out if it belongs on ISFDB? --Username 19:56, 3 April 2021 (EDT)

Alfred Hitchcock Presents

Are there any objections if I remove the series name, "Alfred Hitchcock Presents: " from the titles and publications in this series? There are a few without the series name, which is the standard, but most of them still have it. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 08:36, 4 April 2021 (EDT)

Hearing none, I'm going to proceed. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 17:36, 8 April 2021 (EDT)

Monarch novelizations

[6]; I added missing date to 1 book and corrected date for another, but I'm wondering why the second book published has the highest ID #? Is this a known issue with Monarch? --Username 10:20, 4 April 2021 (EDT)

Way to support plays and screenplays in the software

I'm not the first, and I won't be the last, but I have entered a number of plays and screenplays on this site. So, might I suggest a separate category other than "short fiction"? This way they won't be confused with short stories, novellas, or even novels of the same names. MLB 18:18, 1 April 2021 (EDT)

Back when Roadmap 2017 was discussed, there was limited support for the addition of a new "script" type:
...for plays, even if there aren't that many of them, the difference between them and SHORTFICTION is so obvious that they need their own title type. --Vasha 00:52, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
I would also like to see a separate title type for plays, but we will need to decide how to handle related cases first. For example, are movie scripts, TV scripts, etc separate types or are they all the same type? If they are the same, should we come up with a more generic term than "play"? Ahasuerus 02:51, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
"script" covers plays, audioplays, tv scripts, and even librettos I think. --Vasha 03:37, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
further discussed here. I count three editors who were in favor and one who was opposed because "plays are ... not frequent enough to warrant a new type". It's been 4 years, so we could certainly re-open the discussion on the Community Portal.
Oh, and before I forget, we'll need to decide whether we want a matching Publication Type. After all, not all Title Types have matching Publication Types, e.g. SHORTFICTION. Ahasuerus 20:11, 1 April 2021 (EDT)
I will support having PLAY/Script as both a publication and title type - which will mean a book of two of them will be an omnibus I guess... Some of them show up inside of anthologies; a lot more live on their own. Alternatively, add them as title type and put them into chapbooks (the way we deal with SERIALS for example); collections/anthologies if there is more than one of them. I kinda lean towards the later but either way works for me. Annie 22:05, 1 April 2021 (EDT)
According to this page:
  • In a script, there are approximately 125 words of dialogue per minute. This estimate is based upon recent American films. The words of dialogue per minute might range from 50 to 200 within a script. Of course, it is possible to have no dialogue, making time estimates more difficult.
It then states that the word count range is 5,000-10,000 for a stage play and 7,500-20,000 for a movie script. It seems reasonable for movie scripts, but low for stage plays. For example, Shakespeare's plays range from 14,700 words to 30,600.
Another thing to keep in mind about plays and other scripts is that they have two types of word counts associated with them: spoken words and total words. The "total words" count includes spoken words as well as stage directions. Stage directions can vary from almost non-existent to very detailed, which can affect the total word count.
In any event, if Shakespeare's longest play (Hamlet, which takes around 4 hours to perform) is only 30K words, I think it's fair to say that plays and other types of scripts are more like works of short fiction than like novels. It would then seem logical to record their standalone appearances as CHAPBOOKs and collections of scripts as COLLECTIONS or ANTHOLOGIES. Ahasuerus 12:17, 8 April 2021 (EDT)
Having CHAPBOOKS as a container makes a lot of sense to me (its definition could even be relaxed a bit to accommodate the -hypothetical(?)- script with 40.000+ words). I'm in favour of having a new 'script' title type (or whatever we end up calling it). MagicUnk 14:31, 8 April 2021 (EDT)
OK, I think we have a reasonable approximation of consensus. FR 1413 "Add support for plays and other scripts" has been created. Ahasuerus 15:20, 16 April 2021 (EDT)

Ways to support "excerpts" in the software

If we're considering implementation - what do we do with samplings - SHORTFICTION? ../Doug H 22:39, 1 April 2021 (EDT)

"samplings"? Aka excerpts? They can go in as any other excerpt - so SHORTFICTION I guess. I would actually love to have "excerpt" as a possible modifier for SHORTFICTION (as we have novella and so on) but that is a different topic I suspect. Annie 22:46, 1 April 2021 (EDT)
The 2017 discussion linked above also covered the issue of creating a separate title type or a "length" value for excerpts, but we were unable to reach consensus. Ahasuerus 12:06, 2 April 2021 (EDT)
Yep. I am just bringing it back into the discussion because it is somewhat related. Or I can split into a separate discussion if preferred... :) Annie 12:14, 2 April 2021 (EDT)
I can't find it, but I recall we've had a more recent discussion than 2017 on title type modifiers such as 'excerpt' - anyone much better than me in searching the wiki? MagicUnk 15:39, 2 April 2021 (EDT)
I "search" our wiki by opening the archive pages one by one and searching page by page. Surprisingly effective in getting you acquainted with the policies around here (And reminds you of unfinished jobs). I will search for it later today. :) Annie 15:58, 2 April 2021 (EDT)
Here's the discussion I was referring to: Title disambiguation - a software approach. It not only discusses disambiguation, but also 'excerpt' as title sub type (as opposed to title type). Play/script has to be a title type, like novel, short fiction, omnibus,..., and should be straightforward to implement. Excerpt is another beast altogether, being an excerpt of another work of fiction. Do we treat excerpt as a title type all of its own, or as a sub type of a novel, short fiction, play/script, or any other kind of work really? Treating excerpt as a sub type of SHORTFICTION, next to short story, novelette, novella doesn't feel right (although we are treating it as if it were). The longer I'm thinking about it, the more I'm convinced that 'excerpt' should be a separate title type (and not a sub-type). MagicUnk 10:09, 5 April 2021 (EDT)
I really do not see much of a difference between "short fiction, excerpt" and "excerpt" as a separate type. We do not use it for non-fiction (we use essay there) so all excerpts currently in the DB are fiction (plays are fiction; poems are also technically fiction as well - although we do not use excerpt there). Plus excerpts in magazines and anthologies are often treated as regular fiction anyway. Either way works though. Annie 14:18, 5 April 2021 (EDT)
Might be more a principle thing, but excerpt is not a length indicator as short story, novellette, novella are. So it doesn't belong in the sub type field. Having said that, we could use the sub type field for excerpt until such time it either gets implemented as its distinct title attribute, or as it's own title type. Regards, MagicUnk 14:26, 7 April 2021 (EDT)
There is that. The attribute on short fiction will be a lot less (development) work and won't require a full blown migration project (the existing entries will be still valid as they are, we would just not be able to precise them) but if the play/script from the other discussion gets added, adding excerpt at the same time as a separate type won't be too much additional work. And then we will need to deal with the cleanup (which should not be too hard (just time consuming) for the ones that have (excerpt) on their names; a lot harder to track the ones that do not. Annie 15:04, 7 April 2021 (EDT)
The big difference between the "separate title type for excerpts" approach and other approaches is that titles with the same title type are grouped together on Author pages. Is that desirable? Ahasuerus 18:24, 7 April 2021 (EDT)
Excerpts are now grouped with the short fiction anyway. Even if it is an interim solution (until a full blown type is added), it will be better than what we have now (and once we have the format, we can just convert programmatically from SF->excerpt to excerpt). Long term - yes, splitting them on their own probably makes more sense. Unless we are looking at adding the new type in the next 6 months or less, I'd say to add the type under short fiction and then plan for the bigger update... Annie 19:15, 7 April 2021 (EDT)
The primary issue that I see with adding "excerpt" to the list of supported "Length" values is that the latter are only displayed on Title pages. Unless we create custom display logic for a whole bunch of pages, "Frankenstein (excerpt)" will be displayed as "Frankenstein", which will be misleading. (I should probably add that in the past I proposed displaying the "Length" value on Author and possibly other pages, but the proposal didn't garner enough support.) Ahasuerus 12:44, 8 April 2021 (EDT)
But we are not discussing changing the naming convention for excerpts (yet). It should be obvious that if it is a subtype of short fiction, the current naming should remain (or we will lose visibility). For excerpts without the attached (excerpt) nothing will change, their identification now is hard already - they will be better off because now only the notes specify what they are. If we are talking about dropping the naming convention, then yes, there are a lot of places where this will need to be taken into account. Annie 18:37, 8 April 2021 (EDT)
Oh, I see. I didn't realize that removing "(excerpt)" from title names was not a part of the current proposal. Perhaps I am missing something then. What would be the advantage of adding a new "Length" value if excerpt titles continued to have "(excerpt)" embedded in them? Ahasuerus 19:54, 8 April 2021 (EDT)

(unindent) Well, for me the discussion on excerpt -did- include removal from the title. Didn't consider the implications this would have on the display front :( What about adding new title types (as opposed to length sub types)? Would that have the same/similar repercussions on display pages? MagicUnk 15:39, 14 April 2021 (EDT)

Yeah, for long term - I was really thinking about a fast and quick solution to allow us to start marking them up in a way that will be easy to move later (and to identify the ones that do not have (excerpt) easier). Thus the minimal changes :)
Separate types will mean separate sections on the author display pages. On series pages, they won't have [SF] but [E] (for example?) separating them as well. So if we are dropping the name distinction (which again is not mandatory if the excerpt has its own name), the new type is the only option really (but it will mean a lot of dev work). Annie 16:02, 14 April 2021 (EDT)

Cover artist for David Case book

Was checking copies on picclick.com for info from Wolf Tracks (1980), [7], and noticed a big RSB signed at bottom of back cover. None of the later editions use the same artwork and none of the Belmont Tower cover artists identified on ISFDB match those initials, but there is a Ralph Brillhart who did a couple of covers for Belmont in the 60's. He has a long gap between 1970 and the early 80's, but the covers he did in the 80's were all for Del Rey/Ballantine. There's no info I can find online about this, so does anyone know more? --Username 18:53, 5 April 2021 (EDT)

Check out R. S. Brown. 1980s. Some have an R.S. Brown signature, but some have RSB. See First, You Fight (by knee) and, in particular Road War (lower left, by knife -- looks identical to the signature on the Wolf Tracks cover). --MartyD 15:55, 6 April 2021 (EDT)

Nice one! I've entered his name into the record, and just found another previously unknown cover by him, The Silverleaf Syndrome. --Username 20:26, 21 April 2021 (EDT)

Self-approval support

I am about to install a software patch which will add support for "self-approval only" editors. The software changes are difficult to fully test on the development server for technical reasons, so the probability of things going wrong is higher than usual. If you suddenly see errors, please report them here and I will fix them ASAP. Ahasuerus 15:41, 6 April 2021 (EDT)

The software has been changed. So far so good. Ahasuerus 15:49, 6 April 2021 (EDT)

Timescape and Rewrite: Loops in the Timescape

I just read Timescape and Rewrite: Loops in the Timescape, I think they should be linked. I made them a series in my database, perhaps they should be in a "Timescape Universe" here. I am seeking other opinions. The title note here contains the quote "thematic sequel". This is from a blurb on the publishers website here. The author calls it a "conceptual sequel" in the afterward. Each book is a story based on quantum physics understanding at the time. The characters and stories are totally different, so I know it is not like a traditional series. Thanks in advance for any replies. John Scifibones 12:10, 7 April 2021 (EDT)

Since you've read them, and since the blurbs and publisher seem to think it's a sequel of sorts, I see no problem putting them into a series. I wouldn't number them, however, since the second is not a traditional sequel. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:23, 7 April 2021 (EDT)
Help:How to work with series says that title "series are linked by common characters, story lines or settings". It sounds like these two novels do not share these characteristics, so they do not constitute a "title series" as the term is currently defined.
The Note field of the Rewrite: Loops in the Timescape title record reads:
  • Described as a "thematic sequel" to Benford's 1980 novel "Timescape". It's not clear whether it is set in the same universe.
I would update the second sentence with an explanation of the nature of the relationship between the two novels. Ahasuerus 12:53, 8 April 2021 (EDT)

Mysterious (And Awesome) Art

[8]; added cover, loved the art, saw there's a signature on bottom, last 2 names seem to be "L. Cohen" but nothing on ISFDB seems to fit. Anyone know so awesome art can be credited properly? --Username 13:12, 8 April 2021 (EDT)

I believe it is by Alan E. Cober!--Rosab618 02:51, 15 May 2021 (EDT)

Merging Apex Magazine versions

Is there any objection to merging Apex Magazine and Apex Magazine (print issues)? If no objections, I will merge them early next week. Annie 14:10, 8 April 2021 (EDT)

Seems like a good idea to me. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:59, 8 April 2021 (EDT)

One Footprint in the Sand

I added lots of info to William Kimber books some time ago and today I added a lot more. Most books are now complete, but a few remain elusive re: page #'s, price, etc. The only one that bothers me is this, [9]. I added wonderfully creepy cover off of abebooks.com because ISFDB-friendly sites only show front which misses continued art on back. The book's ISFDB page says data from Amazon.com but I can't find any mention of these stories on any Amazon page, and if I, USERNAME, can't find them you know they're hard to find. Also, the 2 stories entered in the record have page #'s; where did those come from? The worst part is the note listing the other stories in the book; not only does it make no sense to enter them there instead of the actual record, but many of them have common words misspelled and I suspect some of the uncommon words may not be correct, either. Edit history shows note was entered in 2018 so I doubt editor has any interest in fixing this, so I ask anyone who has a copy or knows where info can be found and entered to let me know here. --Username 22:39, 8 April 2021 (EDT)

The Black Magic Omnibus

The Bradbury Epilogue to this has nothing to with The Illustrated Man, it is a rant on the ending of the movie 'Rosemary's Baby'. As such, it should be labelled an essay. Horzel 19:20, 15 March 2021 (EDT)

Don is no longer active here. The reason this has "(The Illustrated Man)" is that it originally appeared in the The Illustrated Man as can be see at the title record. If listed as a short fiction piece, then it should not have the "(The Illustrated Man)" added. If listed as an essay, then we would add the "(The Illustrated Man)" per our standards for disambiguating common essay titles (like we do with "Introduction"). This title appears in many verified pubs so the best thing would be to open a ISFDB:Community Portal discussion regarding it. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 15:56, 18 March 2021 (EDT)
Above copied from User talk:Don Erikson.
All right, I'll do that. I repeat, the Bradbury Epilogue to The Black Magic Omnibus is an essay, and it's the last item in the anthology. It has nothing to do with The Illustrated Man. Therefore, it is a different item, and should not be called Epilogue (The Illustrated Man), but Epilogue (The Black Magic Omnibus). Thanks. Horzel 19:07, 9 April 2021 (EDT)
Oh, sorry, I misunderstood your original statement. I see you are saying it is a different work than the one that appeared in The Illustrated Man. I compared the two books (via Internet Archive scans) and confirmed. I have separated out the two items. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:32, 10 April 2021 (EDT)
Thanks! Horzel 10:48, 10 April 2021 (EDT)

Related Sonntag books

https://picclick.com/Old-Book-The-Ghost-Story-Treasury-Linda-Sonntag-161616891484.html; [10] didn't have covers for either book, so I added them, saw they were the same except for the title and the publisher's name at top of British edition, checked that Picclick link and it says first American edition so I varianted. Also, it says "The Ghost Train" on cover unlike ISFDB which drops "THE". Title page needed; anyone have one? --Username 10:38, 10 April 2021 (EDT)

Dark Skies

[11]; Dark Skies at top seems to be the same as non-genre Dark Skies at bottom. 1 probably needs to be deleted. --Username 19:21, 11 April 2021 (EDT)

You could have submitted the two required changes for it (either merge (to get the review to move to the other title) and then publication delete on the coverless duplicate or the move of the review and the publication delete (and then a title delete when these two are approved). Done now. Annie 01:27, 12 April 2021 (EDT)

Yinhe award

I was going to verify a copy of Cixin Liu's The Wandering Earth and noticed that several stories are noted as award-winning but we have no record of the award. It is listed as the "China Galaxy Science Fiction Award" in the book although Locus refers to it as the Galaxy Award and Wikipedia has it under the Galaxy Award (China) and provides the Chinese names as well (Chinese: 银河奖; pinyin: Yínhé Jiǎng). Their source appears to be Clute's Science Fiction Encyclopedia which calls it the Yinhe award (and hence my subject/headline). I've never touched the awards section of ISFDB and so do not plan on creating / entering these, but thought someone else might be interested. A caution: the Wikipedia article provides English translations for the titles that do not match the names in The Wandering Earth or any other ISFDB publication and the Locus page does not provide Chinese titles. ../Doug H 16:21, 12 April 2021 (EDT)

Thanks for the heads up! It certainly appears to be a legitimate award. If we have a volunteer who would be willing to sort out its categories and enter the data, I would be more than happy to create a new Award Type. Ahasuerus 17:09, 12 April 2021 (EDT)

Mysterious Margaret Irwin story

I saw on Fantlab the photo of the acknowledgements in Madame Fears the Dark, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1089190, said 2 stories which are on ISFDB as original were actually published in magazines first. I found 1 site that verified 1 story's original appearance, but "The Earlier Service" says it's from Lovat Dickson's but Irwin's stories on philsp, http://www.philsp.com/homeville/fmi/s/s4323.htm, have 2 stories from that mag, neither of which have the same title. However, both those titles sound like they could be the same, so I suspect a retitling, which was common in older books when they reprinted mag stories; problem is the acknowledgements mention that 1 of the non-genre stories was retitled, so why wouldn't it mention that about this one? Anyone know more? --Username 12:03, 14 April 2021 (EDT)

Side note: I saw the philsp.com page said Irwin's book was published by A. D. Peters, not Chatto & Windus like it says here and elsewhere, so I checked Google and turns out Peters was an agent who represented many authors including Irwin. So someone was confused when they entered him as the publisher. --Username 12:13, 14 April 2021 (EDT)

Commonwealth

This publisher which started in 1995 was sued out of existence by many authors who were screwed out of their money, and went bankrupt early in 1998. I've been doing my usual thing of finding rare info and discovered these crooks actually had a website, [12], in the misty early days of the internet, but suddenly near the end of 1997 they went dark and soon after came the dreaded "robots.txt". The amazing thing is they published a massive number of books in their short life, and many books on their archived site look genre-related, so I suspect we're missing a lot of books that should be on this site. So anyone with a book published by them that's not here or anyone who has a book already here who can fill in missing info, leave your responses here or just enter info yourselves. --Username 22:08, 14 April 2021 (EDT)

Machen confusion

Fantlab has copy of 1894 edition of Machen's The Great God Pan and the Inmost Light. ISFDB has cover image for John Lane edition, which is the same illustration by Aubrey Beardsley as the Roberts edition, but he's not credited in the Lane record, only the Roberts record, which had no cover. I added Fantlab's Roberts cover but noticed it just says Great God Pan and doesn't say Inmost Light like the Lane cover does, but it does show both on the title page. So any Machen experts know if things will be right after my edits are approved? Other difference is title page for Lane (seen on Google Books) has them first followed by Roberts, while Fantlab's title page has Roberts first. They seem to have published simultaneously in England and America, right? --Username 10:03, 15 April 2021 (EDT)

Uhnak's The Ledger

There's no PV for any edition on ISFDB, and online search reveals about a half-dozen different missing covers, but this one, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20083, is wrong because it has maple leaf on cover and higher Canadian price; I can't find American cover, so just bringing this to your attention in case someone can provide and replace. --Username 21:50, 17 April 2021 (EDT)

Artist found?

Elinore Blaisdell's 1947 anthology Tales of the Undead has no cover artist on ISFDB and didn't have a cover image until I added one from Fantlab recently. There's a note here discussing why artist wasn't added, but Photo 16 on Fantlab's page, https://fantlab.ru/edition220722, shows the spine with 3 initials on it. Whoever wrote that note or someone else may be able to identify the artist from that. --Username 19:47, 18 April 2021 (EDT)

Unpublished Ramsey Campbell edition

I contacted Campbell via Twitter to ask him why no cover could be found online for the 1984 Pocket Books edition of his novel The Nameless, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44505; he replied very quickly and said he thinks it was announced but never published, though it was published by Tor in America; there's a Locus verification so that's probably where it was announced. I've added Campbell's info to the record, but might there be anyone out there who owns a galley proof or something similar? If it was released in any form it's certainly rare. --Username 23:55, 18 April 2021 (EDT)

Chizmar anthology

Stumbled across this, https://fantlab.ru/edition262911, which has a 2019 date but also a note saying April 2021, so it was delayed like many other Cemetery Dance titles. The Wiki page for Stephen King's "Man With a Belly" says it was reprinted in the 2017 book Killer Crimes, while www.bevvincent.com/links/uncollected-stephen-king-short-stories/ says 2020. So there's major confusion. Now that it seems it's really being published, I thought ISFDB community would like to know because King's story only appeared in 2 "adult" magazines in the late 1970's, so like my recent discussion about his other rare story "Squad D", this may be most people's first opportunity to read it. --Username 14:48, 19 April 2021 (EDT)

Site for finding pages

I don't know if this is well-known or not, but there's a site, https://www.ecampus.com/, which has contents with page numbers that aren't easy to find for a lot of books. A while back I remember entering the numbers for the contents of Taps and Sighs, a 2000 anthology edited by Peter Crowther, and just in the last few days I've entered the numbers for Barry Hoffman's 2006 Love Hurts, Billie Sue Mosiman's 2003 Dark Matters, and Tom Piccirilli's 2003 Mean Sheep. I don't know where they get the numbers from or if there's some other sites that list them also, but if there are I haven't seen them. --Username 11:08, 20 April 2021 (EDT)

Beaumont book info

Why does this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?131564, give Robert as an alternate name? Fantlab's copy of The Hunger, https://data.fantlab.ru/images/editions/small/151452, clearly shows it as Ronald, and this copy of the Intruder, picclick.com/The-Intruder-First-Edition-By-Charles-Beaumont-252241790498.html, does too. Also, there's much discussion in the note for The Hunger about how the date was verified as 1958-04-23, but date at top still says 1957. I may be wrong but I think someone erred. --Username 01:56, 21 April 2021 (EDT)

You should ask the PVs. SFJuggler is active. --MartyD 08:01, 21 April 2021 (EDT)

Brenchley price

The Hodder edition of Chaz Brenchley's Mall Time, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?319552, has no cover and only one I could find has a big yellow sticker on it and seems to be from an audio version, anyway. Also, Hodder is a British company but the book was reviewed in Publishers Weekly with a $24.99 price. Anyone have this edition to upload the cover and/or verify whether price is correct and if it's really in dollars and not pounds (maybe it has both)? --Username 09:29, 21 April 2021 (EDT)

Server stability issues - 2021-04-21

The ISFDB server has been unstable the last couple of hours, apparently due to a rogue robot trying to access all of our URLs. I am looking into it. Ahasuerus 16:15, 21 April 2021 (EDT)

Request for Quests

So something happened today that hasn't happened for a long time; my edits were completely cleared. I now have an empty edit field. Before I start filling it up again, I've mentioned a few times on different places at ISFDB recently that the info I've been entering tons of for the last few months like hardcover prices from their flaps and months of publication from paperback copyright pages and stuff like that has grown tiring and requires notes about minutiae that don't really interest me. When I started in December 2020 I mainly added covers and dug up rare books and other info from archive.org and elsewhere found almost nowhere else on the current web, or sometimes absolutely nowhere. I've still been adding hundreds of covers and digging up rare stuff here and there, but now that I'll be doing less of the minutiae I need to replace it with more of the good stuff. So I'm using this comment as a place where anyone can request something they've been looking for but can't find on ISFDB; book covers, author photos, story titles from collections or anthologies that have partial or empty contents, links to archived versions of websites you can't find online now, etc. As an example, I recently contacted famous author Ramsey Campbell via Twitter and asked him why a cover for the 1984 Pocket edition of his novel The Nameless can't be found and he replied almost immediately to let me know it was announced but never published, and Tor ended up releasing it. Or one of my proudest moments since I started here, contacting author Simon Clark and asking him for contents of his collection The Gravedigger's Tale and him quickly sending a photo of the contents page; as far as I'm aware, the ISFDB page for that book is the only place on the web that has the full contents. Those are the kind of challenges I'm looking for. I can't promise anything, but even if I don't come through one of the other thousands of people who visit this page may see your request and know the answer. Let's see how this goes. --Username 23:17, 21 April 2021 (EDT)

O.K., I'll bite. I've recently entered a couple of SFWA Forums. These went only to SFWA members, so aren't often on the market. The other day I entered SFWA Atrium #2. Are Fora and Atria the same magazine under different names? How did the Atria come about and how many issues were produced? Bob 12:19, 22 April 2021 (EDT)

I see they crossed out FORUM on the cover and wrote ATRIUM, which is strange. Typing SFWA-Atrium verbatim into Google brought up exactly 1 page, https://cthulhuwho1.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/2256_inventory_3.pdf, which has exactly 1 mention of Atrium from September 1982, which is earlier than the issue you entered. Also, I noticed you mistakenly entered the date as 1963 instead of 1983. Hope this helps, Bob. --Username 13:24, 22 April 2021 (EDT)

The 1983 was correct, thanks for noting that. I suspect Bloch had a letter in the first issue. Bob 15:22, 22 April 2021 (EDT)
Wow, some research! Here's what I found out since my last comment:

David Brin To Greg, Astrid, me Greg & Astrid, Bob Lumpkin sent me a query about the old SFWA Atrium, which you'll recall served as an interim publication when we rescued SFWA from the calamities that struck it in the early 80s, when Somtow lost all the membership records (blaming his cat) and similar cat-astrophes hit the publications, as well. Gavin Claypool and I - we had been putting out the SFWA Computer Users' Newsletter for those members who were pioneers at turning cyber - were tasked with laboriously rebuilding the membership rolls and creating a database by hand, which Augean labor we finished just in time to arrest a wave of resignations and refund demands. You and Astrid, as well, were centrally responsible for saving SFWA amid that crisis... and others to come. Alas, no one remembers except us.

Bob, I sent out ATRIUM out of my own pocket, to help keep things rolling till FORUM and BULLETIN could resume. Gosh I almost forgot all about this. Thanks much!

See the ATTACHED SCANS Bob just sent me.

Here's hoping you are all well.

Thrive & persevere,

David Brin

I'm glad to see you entered the info I provided, but you typed the date of the first SFWA Atrium as 1952 instead of 1982, Bob. --Username 01:16, 24 April 2021 (EDT)
On my to do list when the local university library re-opens, is going through their Icelandic and Slavic book collections. I did the Jules Verne books but realized there was a lot more that could be entered. Without knowing where you are located - is there a rare book collection housed near you? ../Doug H 13:30, 22 April 2021 (EDT)

https://www.nypl.org/locations/schwarzman/rare-books-division. Hope this helps, Doug. --Username 13:41, 22 April 2021 (EDT)

Possible Drake

Anyone think this, https://fantlab.ru/edition202687, qualifies to be on ISFDB? --Username 11:51, 25 April 2021 (EDT)

It looks like it belongs, based on looking through the images shown. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 11:51, 26 April 2021 (EDT)

Missing Norman Partridge story

This is an odd one; http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37337, which I made an edit for to add the page numbers from the only copy I could find which shows the contents page, https://picclick.com/Norman-Partridge-BAD-INTENTIONS-1996-SIGNED-Limited-Lettered-162023617701.html, doesn't list the story "Tyrannosaurus" in the contents, but reviews online mention it so it's in the book. When I need to quickly double-check things like this I often use readfrom.net; https://readfrom.net/norman-partridge/387920-bad_intentions.html agrees that the story's in there, but it places it next-to-last, unlike ISFDB which has it higher, and being the kind of site it is they just dump all the text without any page numbers. So after my edit is approved if anyone who owns a copy could check and add the number for the missing story and see if the numbers I entered are all in their correct place, that would be good. --Username 13:23, 27 April 2021 (EDT)

Slip cover differences

This is a hypothetical question as I don't have a real example, but I don't know that anyone has ever really looked.

Would a difference in slipcovers warrant a separate publication?

Given the high variability in exchange with the Canadian and USA dollars, the same book may be 'repriced' in Canada by changing the slipcover only. A second scenario is the inclusion of a Canadian price on the slipcover for Canadian sale, and none for the American copy. ../Doug H 15:15, 27 April 2021 (EDT)

Is this what you mean? Starship: Rebel John, Scifibones 18:28, 27 April 2021 (EDT)
It's an example of my concern - this single publication appears to have been bought in Canada and has no price and assumptions are made about what the US cover would have. The price is taken from elsewhere. My similar concern is that books I buy in Canada have a US price and a Canadian price. I don't know if the US edition has both prices or just an American one. IF it were true, would the Canadian edition be different, just because they put an extra price on the slip cover? ../Doug H 23:43, 27 April 2021 (EDT)
Where we are able to distinguish the editions somehow, there is precedent for making two records, one with Price in USD and the other with Price in CAD ("C$"). Where the cover is unchanged and lists both prices, that's typically based on a printing/manufacture statement of some sort. But if you had a case where the sole difference was the presentation of the pricing, and you could tie each presentation to a different market, having two records seems ok and would be following precedent. --MartyD 11:51, 29 April 2021 (EDT)

Increasing the number of Advanced Search rows from 6 to 10?

Would there be any objections to increasing the number of Advanced Search rows from 6 to 10? Ahasuerus 21:25, 27 April 2021 (EDT)

If somebody or something benefits from it: no objection from my side! Stonecreek 04:13, 28 April 2021 (EDT)
This will help me immensely, thank you Scifibones 07:20, 28 April 2021 (EDT)
I don't see any drawback. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:57, 28 April 2021 (EDT)
Thanks, folks! FR 1415 has been created. Ahasuerus 12:49, 29 April 2021 (EDT)
The FR has been implemented. You may need to do a full page reload (Control-F5 in most browsers) for everything to work correctly. Ahasuerus 14:45, 3 May 2021 (EDT)
I appreciate how fast you made this happen. John Scifibones 18:25, 4 May 2021 (EDT)
Sure thing! Ahasuerus 16:29, 5 May 2021 (EDT)

Publisher Problem

This, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?509396, is odd; I don't think the British publisher Smith, Elder waited 100 years to publish an issue of an American fantasy magazine, so editor error is likely. --Username 00:01, 29 April 2021 (EDT)

Thanks! Indeed, this would be very unlikely; my guess is that it was caused by auto-correction. I inserted the canonical publisher for the magazine. Stonecreek 04:34, 29 April 2021 (EDT)

Whitley Strieber (Unpublished?) Collection

This, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?38817, seems to be either very rare or unpublished, except there's 1 review on Amazon with talk of the dust-jacket and an ISBN for two different editions inside their copy, so maybe review copies were released. Amazon page's ISBN doesn't match the one on ISFDB, so I added the cover the reviewer provided. Does anyone own an actual print copy of this book? It's unusual for a major author to have almost no info about one of their books. --Username 21:02, 29 April 2021 (EDT)

Tor.com article

Of possible interest to the "entities" (ahem ;-) here: https://www.tor.com/2021/04/30/the-single-best-bibliographical-resource-there-is-if-you-like-sff/

Given that (a) a (IMHO) surprising large number of people who post in SFF forums seem unaware of ISFDB, and (b) an equally surprising (IMHO) number of people seem to get all their SFnal news only from tor.com, I'd be curious if this prompts any short or medium term increase in web traffic, user signups, etc. Also, may be worth monitoring that thread over the next few days if it prompts any interesting user comments? ErsatzCulture 09:18, 30 April 2021 (EDT)

When the author posted a link to this article on Usenet, I followed the link and read the comments. A couple of them stood out:
  • A way to report errors and omissions that doesn't require creating an account.
  • A way to make name searches ignore punctuation, e.g. "n k jemisin” should find "N. K. Jemisin”
Ahasuerus 15:01, 3 May 2021 (EDT)
I love how they call the Dragon Award "comparatively obscure", given that it's handed out by the (arguably) largest science fiction convention in the world: Dragon Con. I guess they're still upset that Dragon Con created the award after the Sad Puppies kerfuffle. No, I'm not looking for an argument. I just found it humorous. (^_^) ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:20, 30 April 2021 (EDT)
The recent (last 20ish years) increase in the number of genre awards presents interesting challenges. The ISFDB Statistics and Top Lists page links to a number of awards-based reports like this one or this one, but the scoring system assumes that all awards are equal. Based on anecdotal evidence, many of our users have fairly strong preferences which map onto certain awards. It would be nice to let our users assign user-specific "weights" to awards, effectively saying things like "Ignore horror awards" or "I value Locus nominations more than I value Nebula nominations", but it would take a fair amount of time to implement. Ahasuerus 15:17, 3 May 2021 (EDT)
Basically applying the "vote" to the award (like you can vote on titles), but making it hidden and specific to each user? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:12, 4 May 2021 (EDT)
Chances are that the most common use case for awards is "What are some good books/stories/authors to read?" The ISFDB Statistics and Top Lists page helps answer the question. When you go there, it lets you choose one of the "Authors/Editors Ranked by Awards and Nominations" reports or one of the "Titles Ranked by Awards and Nominations" reports. For example, Highest Ranked Novel Authors of the 2010s, Highest Ranked Short Fiction of All Time or Highest Ranked Titles published in 2020.
That's great if you find that -- as far as you are concerned -- all awards are created equal or at least that things average out across multiple awards. Alternatively, if you find that a particular award is a good match for your tastes in SF, you can go to that award's page, choose a category and find all awards and/or nominations, e.g. Award Category: Best Science Fiction Novel (Dragon Award).
However, if you want to have more choices than "all awards" or "a single award", we can't really help at this time. For example, if you don't care about horror/kidlit, you may want to see the Highest Ranked Novel Authors of the 2010s list with horror/kidlit awards excluded, which is currently impossible. Conversely, you can't limit the list to Australian awards, Canadian awards, etc.
The most straightforward way to facilitate these kinds of searches would be to create a "My Favorite Awards" page under My Preferences and a "Search Favorite Awards" page. A user would first assign "weights" -- using values like 0-10 or some such -- to awards on the "My Favorite Awards" page. Once saved, user-specific "weights" would be used to pre-populate the "Search Favorite Awards" page although users would be able to adjust the displayed weights before submitting search requests. The "Search Favorite Awards" page would also let you limit searches by year/decade, by title type, by title length, etc.
This was proposed ca. 2010, but Bill Longley, who was going to look into it, got sick and died a few years later. Ahasuerus 12:46, 5 May 2021 (EDT)

Doctor Who

I randomly found Jon Pertwee's (third Doctor Who) record and there was no info except his name so I added relevant info including an awesome blindingly white photo from an old magazine cover. I saw there wasn't even a record for the original Doctor Who, William Hartnell (shame!), so I checked Tom Baker; someone added an author photo which is a cover for his autobiography, but that same autobiography is in his record with a completely different picture of him on the front, so if anyone knows how many editions there were or owns any of them, there's more that can be entered on ISFDB. --Username 17:41, 30 April 2021 (EDT)

Nesvadba and Vampires Ltd.

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?39772; added page numbers from Fantlab (no photo, they wrote them down, so not 100% sure if they're accurate since Fantlab is very unreliable when not just showing shots they scanned from actual books) but noticed other editor on ISFDB didn't enter all the contents since 3 stories were missing. I imported them but 1, The Half-Wit of Xeenemuende (Fantlab misspells it as Xenemuende but if you click the story link it's spelled properly), gives a warning since the date it was published under that title was 1986 while Vampires Ltd. was 1964; I'm not familiar with Czech literature or when and where it was first published in what language, so anyone familiar with his work can look at it and edit dates. --Username 18:49, 2 May 2021 (EDT)

Raw Edges

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?788145; I added/fixed info for this very rare book, but 1 thing bothers me; the date of 01-01-08. Some previous editor probably just copied that date off Amazon; I included a link in the notes section from a July 4th, 1908 publication where I found the price, so the book was likely published in June or earlier. Any antiquarians here who know or can find the month it was published? There's 1 copy on picclick.com which just says London 1908 on the copyright page. --Username 19:30, 2 May 2021 (EDT)

If the year is all we can find, the date should be 1908-00-00. Finding anything beyond the year is challenging for such old works. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:59, 3 May 2021 (EDT)

Secondary Verifications -- Links to Online Sources

As Ron reported yesterday, the URL of the Contento Index has changed from http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/0start.htm to http://www.philsp.com/resources/ISFAC/0start.htm . I could easily update the link in the "Secondary Verifications" box on Publication pages like this one, but there is a larger issue here.

For off-line sources, "Secondary Verification" links take you to Wiki-based "Reference" pages like Reference:Reginald3 or Reference:BleilerSupernatural. Of the three online sources that we link to, "OCLC/WorldCat" takes you to Help:Using Worldcat data. Only "Contento1 (anth/coll)" and "Locus1" take you directly to the third party Web page currently hosting the source.

Should we change the Contento and Locus links to point to Reference:Contento1 and Reference:Locus1 respectively? (The latter could be profitably expanded regardless.) Ahasuerus 08:36, 4 May 2021 (EDT)

Without objection, so ordered. All "Sources" links in "Secondary Verification" boxes now point to their respective ISFDB Wiki pages. Reference:Locus1 has been updated. Ahasuerus 13:36, 6 May 2021 (EDT)

Black Panther: Tales of Wakanda

I just stumbled across this recent-ish pub, which has several differences to the details on sites like Amazon UK, B&N and the publisher's site:

  • Entered format is tp, but all sources say hc, and this seems to be corroborated by a Tweeted photo of the book by one of the contributors
  • Entered price is $24.95, listed price is $25.95
  • Entered pub date is March 2nd, but actual pub date for this and the ebook seems to be March 9th. (Although it looks like it was originally submitted with a Feb date, and Titan seem to be very prone to rescheduling, so perhaps this isn't a big surprise.)

NB: the ISBN is the same, so it's not a case of two different pubs. Ordinarily I'd just submit an edit to change this, but it looks like at least half-a-dozen editors and moderators have worked on this record already, which makes me wonder if the details for this pub have changed over time, which might be worth explicitly mentioning in the note? Does anyone who's worked on this pub recall anything, or does Fixer maybe have some historical data for it? (NB: it wasn't a Fixer submission originally.) Unfortunately it's not one that I've picked up on my ad-hoc trawling of UK sites. ErsatzCulture 14:24, 4 May 2021 (EDT)

I have a copy of the hardcover, and it makes no mention of a trade paperback (though I imagine one will come out at some point). I've updated the entry per my copy. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:43, 10 May 2021 (EDT)
And now my edits have been undone. What's up with that, ErsatzCulture? The date given on the copyright page is "February 2021", so that's what we should have. You removed all of this information:
  • Date per copyright page, stated "First hardback edition: February 2021"
  • First printing per number line: 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
  • Additional prices per front dust jacket flap: CAN $34.95, UK £17.99
  • Cover art by Andrew Robinson per back dust jacket flap
  • Copyright page also state "Electronic edition ISBN: 9781789095692"
This is not acceptable. I've changed it back as I own a copy, and what's in the actual book trumps anything anyone tweets or what's on this or that website. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:52, 11 May 2021 (EDT)
Comparing the date/time stamps, I see that ErsatzCulture's submission was created 3 minutes before Nihonjoe's changes and 4 minutes before the pub was primary-verified. The collision should have been caught at the time the submission was approved (26 hours after the submission was created) and the primary verifier should have been contacted. Ahasuerus 16:25, 11 May 2021 (EDT)
Thanks for looking into the timestamps and saving me having to investigate in order to defend my honour :-) FWIW, I gave it just under a week from making the original comment on this Wiki page, and in the absence of any responses in that time, it seemed reasonable to make a fix edit based on all the evidence I could find, rather than risk leaving this to get forgotten. ErsatzCulture 16:49, 11 May 2021 (EDT)
That makes sense. Sorry if I seemed annoyed, but I got a notification that it had been changed and noticed almost everything I'd entered had been changed. I think the pages numbers were the only things not undone. :) ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:45, 11 May 2021 (EDT)
Hey, at least we get automated notifications these days! :) Ahasuerus 19:42, 11 May 2021 (EDT)

Damon editions

https://www.amazon.in/DAMON-C-Terry-Cline-Jr/dp/0449227022; 1976 Fawcett Crest edition on ISFDB has a black cover with some text but this one has artwork, yet info about it online is scarce, and the Amazon page has ISBN and date of 1981 edition on ISFDB but same ID and price of 1976 edition on cover. So if anyone knows more about it, reply here. --Username 09:17, 5 May 2021 (EDT)

The Pack ISBN

https://picclick.com/The-Pack-By-David-Fisher-1976-Print-353349089223.html; I couldn't make out price of Ballantine edition on ISFDB cover so I checked picclick and got price and month also, but noticed ISBN is not only different than what's on ISFDB but it's 13 digits long, so I don't know if that means anything. --Username 09:47, 5 May 2021 (EDT)

The ISBN (ISBN-10) is 0-345-25756-1. The extra "-175" is the price ($1.75). The third sub-bullet of Help:Screen:EditPub#ISBN mentions this case. The equivalent ISBN-13 would be 978-0-345-25756-7. If you're referring to this record, it seems to be for a different edition. --MartyD 11:42, 5 May 2021 (EDT)

Number Five is Alive

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?26818; this is interesting. https://www.previewsworld.com/Catalog/APR063500, which says #3 at top of page, clearly says No. 5 on the cover and Issue five in the description, but Issue 5 was only released as a PDF in 2009. This has a date of Spring 2006 which would put it before #3 (Fall 2006) chronologically. Also, Rowena Morrill didn't do any covers for this magazine series according to ISFDB. So is anyone familiar with the history of this magazine and knows what the story is? --Username 01:16, 6 May 2021 (EDT)

King Kong Confusion

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1852183; there's some disagreement as to what the title is, so I thought I'd mention it. Also, I found this: https://picclick.com/MY-SIDE-by-KING-KONG-by-Walter-Wager-124613344540.html. --Username 14:49, 7 May 2021 (EDT)

What's the title of this book?

Kind of a fairy tale about the Holocaust. Band of roving marauders subvert a village's stability by kidnapping young Jewish women using magical fruit as a drug. The non-Jewish members of the community are infected with anti-Semitism which didn't exist before. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Blinkingrobotboy (talkcontribs) .

You might also try Abe Books Book Sleuth. They are very good at finding titles for people, and there are a lot more people there than here. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:58, 11 May 2021 (EDT)
I was thinking of "The Gentleman of Cracow," by Isaac Bashevis Singer, but I don't think it is that. You might also try the group "What's the Name of that Book?!" on Goodreads.--Rosab618 15:09, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
Is it The Sisters of the Winter Wood by Rena Rossner?--Rosab618 20:15, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

James Taylor/Moffatt

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1082631; added cover, varianted to James Moffatt since he was the real author, but I can't tell from online info if this is really a novel or an expose of cults and whether it should be changed to nonfiction. Anyone read this? --Username 22:33, 11 May 2021 (EDT)

Price Advice

I came across a record that had 15s. as the price so I fixed it to 15/-. I did an advanced search under publications and entered price as s. and got a half-dozen other prices that needed fixing so I did that, but there were also several Rs. for Indian items and a couple of Bs. and 1 ptas. which are for Spanish-language items. I don't know if the way those prices are written is correct so I'm mentioning it here in case anyone else knows if they need to be fixed, too. --Username 09:42, 13 May 2021 (EDT)

Potter

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?115667; PV note for Spectre thinks it's by famous artist J.K. Potter and it does look like his style, and Jeffrey is his first name, so are these 2 art credits by him and should they be connected here? A copy of the HC of Tales By Moonlight would be needed to see the "Flames" art since the Tor PB didn't include any art. --Username 13:25, 13 May 2021 (EDT)

Barth Chimera Editions

https://www.fedpo.com/BookDetail.php/Chimera; info about true 1st edition; ISFDB record, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?280261, has ISBN of limited edition but regular cover. I added cover image, page count, and page numbers to the original Fawcett PB, but I'm not sure what's to be done with this. --Username 00:57, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

A glaring omission

Why are there only three issues of Fangoria indexed on the database? For decades, it was the most prominent horror fan magazine in the world. They focused on movies, true, but they also reviewed a ton of books. Shouldn't these be indexed? --Rosab618 20:02, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

The same reason other things aren't in the system: none of the volunteers have had time to enter them yet. Also, Fangoria deals mostly with horror movies and TV shows, and less with books and other printed things, so we may not ever have all the issues. If you have access to the the missing issues, you're welcome to add anything that fits within our project scope criteria. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 16:03, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
If I add some, should I include the issue number in the title? Biomass Bob said that's messy.--Rosab618 20:10, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

Drate

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?63901; I remember that awesome 1990 cover from when I read this book back in the day; problem is the artist's name is also on a 1983 book with the same title here. The 1990 book is PV'd so I trust the info there more, and I think the artist info on the 1983 book is probably a mistake (although there is a note saying the cover credit came from Paperbacks From Hell; Paperbacks From Hell is on Google Books and they say Drate did the cover for the 1983 book, but I think that's wrong). Both books are on Google Books; the 1983 book gives no hits when I searched for DRATE but the 1990 book gives 1 hit. When I searched for ISBN in the 1983 book on Google Books it shows a piece of the back cover with the ISBN that's on ISFDB and a barcode with "195", which is the price on ISFDB ($1.95), but also gives 2 prices for other territories like UK paperbacks do, so I don't know what to say about that. Also, there's Spencer Drate & Stan Drate on ISFDB, which I believe are the same person as Stanley S. Drate since they all only have credits for cover art. Lots to chew on here. --Username 15:24, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

King's Pony

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?364268; I replaced old Knopf cover with another Amazon image that shows both the cover and an illustration of the pony; online info seems to agree that both editions run 68 pages, but prior editor here notes they app. 100 pages from the OCLC record. Should both editions be changed to 68 pages? Also, there's lots of photos of the Whitney edition's cover online but they don't look right to me because those aluminum covers never photograph well digitally. Can anyone find a close-up and clear image of the Whitney cover that can be added to the ISFDB record? --Username 01:58, 15 May 2021 (EDT)

Monster Mix (Up)

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?597; I noticed Monster Mix was missing the cover artist for the 2nd printing so I added that, then noticed it's the only book with an American price. Someone probably saw Mayflower on Amazon and just copied that, forgetting that it's totally unreliable. I believe it's an American Dell book (it says DELL on the top left cover), and should be changed to that publisher here. Surprisingly, this book seems to have no online photos of title page so I can verify; maybe someone has a copy they can check? --Username 12:10, 16 May 2021 (EDT)

Enforcer

http://glorioustrash.blogspot.com/search/label/Enforcer; I added rare cover for Manor Books 1979 edition of Kill Deadline, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?618489; according to the link I provided Manor reprinted the Lancer books with new covers but none are on ISFDB; does anyone have any copies? The history of this series is insane; read reviews on Glorious Trash, they're very informative. --Username 18:58, 16 May 2021 (EDT)

Digit

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?265316; been fixing holes in Digit Books, adding covers, prices, etc. This one is odd; someone added cover with 4/- sticker over price, but there's a couple of images online (pinterest.com, bearalley.blogspot.com) which show 2/6 as the original price. Should ISFDB cover be replaced or does a stickered cover count as a variant? --Username 20:57, 16 May 2021 (EDT)

I've Seen a Ghost

Hello, British citizens. This, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?982809, was apparently only published in Great Britain. The HC has a cheap ghost on the cover and mentions famous people who tell their stories of seeing a ghost, but the Dragon PB actually has drawings of 4 of them. Now Vincent Price is recognizable to everyone on bottom right, and I believe Jon Pertwee (Who!) is top left since I added some info to his record recently and that looks like him. However, I suspect the other 2 are not familiar faces here in America, so does anyone know who they are? I added covers to both editions on ISFDB, and the HC lists 8 names, so that may help. Also, Amazon seems confused by this book, since there's a page for the PB with right cover but different publisher name and claims it's a HC, and another where I took cover from which says Dragon Books at head of page but says publisher is Carnival(?). There's no publisher named Carnival on ISFDB so I think anyone who has a print copy might have some info to add here. --Username 18:48, 17 May 2021 (EDT)

Schwarzenegger?

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?638980; movie came out in 1986 so this 1982 printing has the wrong cover; problem is this tie-in cover is not on any of the dozens of other Running Man covers on ISFDB. Only other $3.95 Signet edition here is at the bottom of the list with a "date unknown" and a different Arnold S. picture on the cover. So who can clear this up? --Username 19:31, 19 May 2021 (EDT)

Done & corrected. Thanks for bringing this to our attention! Stonecreek 01:58, 21 May 2021 (EDT)

GAK

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?247973; GAK was a well-known artist with many credits on ISFDB, real name Glenn A. Klinger according to other editor here; there's a separate record for a Glenn A. Klinger. Same person or coincidence? --Username 13:34, 20 May 2021 (EDT)

Lone Wolf

Lone Wolf Publications released dozens of CD-only publications from around 2000 until 2004 or so. They're very rare limited editions (and probably won't even work on modern computers), and I've added/fixed a lot of info for them today, so I thought I'd share this with the community: https://web.archive.org/web/20040730040141fw_/http://www.dm.net/~bahwolf/lwp/circus-vardeman.pdf. It was the framing story for Lone Wolf's last (?) anthology, a double CD titled Carnival/Circus. robertevardeman.com was selling some of his short stories including this one but it's been suspended, cenotaphroad.com says it was on the iTunes store in 2008, and fantasticfiction.com has a cover but there's no Amazon link, so this ancient PDF may be the only way to read this novella anymore. If anyone reads it, let us know what you think! --Username 14:28, 20 May 2021 (EDT)

There's actually 2 PDF's on that archived site, and the other, "Original Child", is from one of Lone Wolf's earliest publications, Extremes. Here it is: https://web.archive.org/web/20031023192316/http://www.dm.net/~bahwolf/lwp/thrower.pdf. --Username 14:37, 20 May 2021 (EDT)

Dale Brown

I have all the first edition hardcovers of the Dale Brown series of near future techno-thrillers. Before I submit entries to the database, is there agreement that these are "in genre"? John Scifibones 16:36, 20 May 2021 (EDT)

Future? Check. Technology, so likely science fiction? Check. I'm good with them. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:27, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
As long a they are not so close to now that they are indistinguishable from a standard thriller... From what I am seeing, the "Patrick McLanahan" series for example won't be eligible unless I am missing something that will make them eligible (based on the "Techno-thriller, political thriller and satire works set in a future indistinguishable from the present" exception). Annie 19:33, 21 May 2021 (EDT)

September or November?

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410693; someone added a note saying September but cover says November; seemed odd so I'm mentioning it here. --Username 23:21, 22 May 2021 (EDT)

Well, the note is for the third printing; the cover may be the one for the initial printing (and may have been unchanged for the following printings). If you want to know exactly what happened: please ask the editor who supplied the information, Linguist. Thanks, Stonecreek 00:25, 23 May 2021 (EDT)

Front page and Forthcoming Books pages -- format display changes

The way format codes -- hc, tp, pb, etc -- are displayed on the front page and on the Forthcoming Books page has been changed. They are now shown using their raw codes in conjunction with the standard mouse-over Help text. The only difference compared to other ISFDB pages is that the mouse-over Help text is displayed to the left of the format code, which helps avoid screen layout issues.

You may need to do a full page reload -- Control-F5 in most browsers -- for the new functionality to take effect. Please let me know if you encounter any problems. Ahasuerus 11:42, 26 May 2021 (EDT)

New cleanup report -- SHORTFICTION title records with "(Part" in the title field

A new cleanup report, SHORTFICTION title records with "(Part" in the title field, has been deployed. The data, roughly 300 title records, will become available tomorrow morning.

Many -- but not all -- of the identified SHORTFICTION title records will need to be converted to SERIALs. Moderators will be able to 'ignore' records. Ahasuerus 12:45, 26 May 2021 (EDT)

That will be useful. Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:41, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
Glad to hear it will be useful :) Ahasuerus 20:39, 26 May 2021 (EDT)

Yellow warning for prices

A number of price-specific post-submission warnings have been added. Whenever a publication record with incorrectly formatted price value is added or edited, a yellow warning is displayed. The conditions which trigger these warnings are the same as the ones which make publication records appear on this cleanup report. Ahasuerus 20:38, 26 May 2021 (EDT)

'Series Names That May Need Disambiguation' enhanced

The cleanup report 'Series Names That May Need Disambiguation' has been enhanced to ignore similarly named series if one of them is the other's parent. Ahasuerus 22:02, 26 May 2021 (EDT)

Vincible

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?27638; I did some stuff for this recently and it just got approved, and after double-checking as I do to make sure I didn't miss anything I realized that the link I provided mentions they collected the first year's worth of comic strips; that would make this a collection, not a novel, right? --Username 13:37, 27 May 2021 (EDT)

Sullivan?

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?12306; 3 short stories on this page, and 1 of them, "Mickey Mouse Olympics", sounded familiar, because it's actually by Thomas Sullivan, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?4555; for some reason they shortened his first name for some reprints, and those ended up on Tom Sullivan's page here; however, the other 2 stories are not on Thomas Sullivan's page, so who knows if those are by him or actually by the real Tom Sullivan. --Username 14:10, 27 May 2021 (EDT)

David Lewis - how to separate names & treat legal name change

Copied over from the Note to Moderators here:

"In looking at the entry concerning David Lewis on ISDB I found several issues that I think need some addressing. The most personal issue for me is that the works of two different "David Lewis" are included under the entry for "David Lewis" all attributed to one person. If there would be a way to separate the works by the two David Lewises into two entries, I think both of us would be obliged! The most easy way to do this would be to change the author attribution for my stories. That could be done by creating two different listings for "David Lewis." However the other solution would be to attribute the stories that belong to me to under my current author name following my legal name change to reflect my change of gender several decades ago. That way my small handful of stories could be attributed to "Dana Lewis.. I do not know how isfdb lists name changes [ Dana Lewis, formerly David Lewis"??] but it would be wonderful if my entry could be updated to reflect my new legal name, while at the same time solving the problem of the current overlapping "David Lewis" credits! My own titles are correctly listed except for the old name. They are Common Denominator, Karnev's World, Fit To Print, and Epoxy Goat in Analog magazine, and "Shausta" in If magazine.

Now that I am logged in, I have also attempted to correct some errors appearing in the list of stories by the famous Japanse SF writer and editor Yamano Koichi that have been translated into English by myself. I was the translator of the first version of Mr. Yamano's "Where Do The Birds Fly Now" in Something Else magazine. It was published without a translator credit, but is my (crude and sometimes inaccurate college days) translation. "Where Do The Birds Fly Now" was later published in the anthology Speculative Japan in 2007, as is correctly noted in the entry on Mr. Yamano. However, the Speculative Japan 2007 "Birds" is not a reprint of the Something Else translation, but a very heavily revised version by myself that I did specifically for Speculative Japan 2007.I t would be wonderful if there was a way to edit the entry about the "Birds"' publication in Speculative Japan to say something along the lines of: "Where Do the Birds Fly Now?"later appared in a new translation by Dana Lewis in Speculative Japan..." I apologize for this very long note, but it would be wonderful if the entry for my dear friend Mr. Yamano could be updated as described, and if the problem of the D. Lewis dopplegangers could be resolved. I would note that the Yamano entry itself omits a number of other Yamano books in Japanese. I belief the author of the entry understandably wished to highlight his most famous titles, and his last, which he wrote while battling cancer. When time permits, however, I will research and send IDSB a full title of his other anthologies that appeared before his final story, written while he was under treatment for the cancer that took his life much too soon. Thank you for your patience with this lenghty message! For clarification I can be reached at danalewis@mac.com. IDSB is an incredible resource to the SF&F community! Regarding the entry about Mr. Yamano's publications, there are also some works that are not listed. Mr Yamano's number of his wokrs that are not listed. The most important would be his first published antholology , published in 1971 by Hayakawa Shobo. The title of the anthology is "Tori wa Ima Doko o Tobu Ka" and contains the eponymous title story. His most famous story in Japan, "X-Densha de Iko" (Take the X-Train), was first published in SF Magazine (publisher Hayakawa Shobo) July 1964. In recent years there have been a number of new retrospective anthologies, but I unfortunately do not have them in my library and cannot provide titles and publication information at this time. Please forgive my nitpicking, but Mr. Yamano was a dear friend and I would like to see his publicaiton history more fully represented in the invaluable isfdb data base!" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SFKunoichi (talkcontribs) .

Let's try to address your questions and comments one by one:
  • Differentiating between authors with identical names. Disambiguation is done by appending a roman numeral, so David Lewis, David Lewis (I), and so on. So separating out titles can be done by updating the title records by replacing the author's name with the correct disambiguated one, or even using a third, David Lewis (II), for example.
  • Record authors following a legal name change. There are (I believe) three aspects to this:
    • The ISFDB records what's written on or in the book. This would mean that all of your works published under David Lewis have to be recorded as such. Any (re-) publication with your legal name, Dana Lewis, would be recorded under that name. Both the old and new names and titles will be linked by varianting (= the act of linking two different title records, one being a variant of the other, whether the difference is due to a different title or another author name doesn't matter). One author name will have to be the canonical author name, the other the alternate name. All author's works will be listed under the canonical author's name though.
    • The canonical name is the most recognized name for that author within the genre. This often boils down to the name with which the author has the most titles published. For details, see Help: Authordata Note that there may be community support for recording your current legal name as the canonical author name even though you wouldn't have (m)any titles published under that name. A discussion would have to be had, and a consensus reached to adapt the rules accordingly.
    • Legal name is recorded in the Legal name field of the author's record.
  • Where Do the Birds Fly Now? question. I believe that is already addressed by your edit submissions - see also my comment on your talk page here. If not, do not hesitate to submit a correction, or provide further details in the title record's note field.
  • Adding Yamano's other works: you can do yourself - give it a try I'd say, and if you don't know how, do not hesitate to post a question here or over at the help desk.
Hope this helps! Regards, MagicUnk 10:30, 28 May 2021 (EDT)

Sarah Simpson?

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?915264; 1979 Puffin ed. had no cover artist so I got it from Fantlab's photo; surprisingly, she has no other credits on ISFDB. However, there's 1 person with the same name who wrote a novel in 2006. Highly unlikely a British illustrator wrote a novel by a POD American publisher more than 25 years later, but you can't assume anything. If anyone finds proof they're not the same person, (artist) can be added to illustrator's name to differentiate the two. --Username 13:22, 28 May 2021 (EDT)

Shiny Shatner

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?512; something I've done more often recently is replacing covers with full (front and back) covers if artwork is continued on the back, overly bright or ripped/stickered covers with clean, clear covers, etc. I've also added a lot of author images and replaced press photo or convention photos with ones that are more interesting/genre-related. So today I noticed William Shatner's page, 1 of the most important genre figures in recent history both in books and TV/films, had a totally dull press photo from Amazon on his page, and not even a good one, being too bright. I found another Amazon image that not only is perfectly clear but is one of his most iconic scenes ever (the "KHAN!" scene from Star Trek II), and included it in an edit as being more appropriate. However, it was rejected as "not more alppropriate" (moderator's misspelling, not mine). So does anyone care what images are used on authors' pages or should I not waste my time replacing them anymore? This happened a few times before; I tried adding an image to Jeffrey Combs' page and was told it couldn't be used because it was an image from a movie (Re-Animator) so moderator replaced it with a convention photo, and I tried adding Sigourney Weaver but it was rejected with "Guess", which I think implied it couldn't be used because it was the famous scene at the end of Alien where she ejects the alien while in her underwear and apparently that's considered offensive, so moderator replaced it with a photo of her at the Oscars or something. Is there an ISFDB rule that images from movies/cheesecake images can't be used, or is it just based on what individual moderators think is OK? I ask because many other author images I've added have been accepted even though they were movie or cheesecake-related. Not a big deal, but it would be nice if editors would at least choose a press/convention/awards photo that looked good and had some genre content in it (see image I added of George Lucas as an example). --Username 15:24, 28 May 2021 (EDT)

John Russell Russell

This slightly odd looking author name is currently showing on the homepage in the "Died on this day" section. (I've a vague recollection of spotting it this time last year, but never following up.) None of the four external links make any reference to this author having two "Russell"s in their name.

It looks like the source for this name might be this Project Gutenberg file, but - not being familiar with how Project Gutenberg formats things - the "John Russell Russell" name only appears in the header and footer that they've added (monospaced text on that page), not in the actual scanned text (that appears in serif) - probably because the original publication was anonymous.

It looks like that name in turn is a mangling/merging of his actual name (John Russell) and his aristocratic title (Earl Russell), but I'm definitely not an expert on the weirdnesses of the titles of the British aristocracy. That can be seen in the main heading of this Project Gutenberg page.

Is there any policy that what appears to be a mis-scanning/data entry issue at Project Gutenburg should dictate author names recorded here? (Possibly a question better posed on the Rules & Standards page?) Would there be any objection to changing this author to either "John Russell" or "Earl Russell", and if not, any preference for which one? ErsatzCulture 18:18, 28 May 2021 (EDT)

He's listed in Reginald1 as "RUSSELL, JOHN RUSSELL, 1st Earl, 1792-1878, supposed author". If we re-order the names that could be read as John Russell, 1st Earl Russell. I think "John Russell" is probably most appropriate. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:01, 28 May 2021 (EDT)

Allen Drury's Advise and Consent

I recently removed the non-genre flag for Allen Drury's 1959 novel Advise and Consent. There is an edit to replace the flag which I have on hold. The editor and I disagree about whether the novel should have the flag or not. My reasoning for removing the flag is that the novel is listed in several SF reference works. Reginald1, Tuck and Clute/Nicholls all list it. It is also in SFE3, which is an expansion of Clute/Nicholls. While I haven't read the novel, and it's been decades since I've seen the film, Tuck describes it as "Set in the near (but unspecified) future". Clute/Nicholls describes it in the context of the series with its sequels as "depicting US political life from a point roughly similar to real-life 1960 and growing into a full-fledged history of the near future". SFE3 expands this statement describing the series as "a full-fledged though ultimately short-winded Future History" It further describes the series as "a mildly estranged Alternate History of 1950s and 1960s America". P. Schuyler Miller's review in Astounding mentions a manned Russian rocket traveling to the Moon with an American rocket on the launch pad. Two or three presidents have followed Eisenhower and the current president belongs to a party that is unidentifiable.

While our project scope defines speculative fiction to exclude "Techno-thriller, political thriller and satire works set in a future indistinguishable from the present (?)", are manned moon rockets and new political parties distinguishable from the world in 1959? I'm also not sure what the question mark in the policy is meant to denote. Perhaps this was always meant to be a soft rule. I don't know that Drury would be considered "above the threshold" and I would hate to have to delete this novel with later novels in the series that are clearly within the genre. Since there is a disagreement on the non-genre flag, I'd like to see what other folks think. I'd especially be interested in the opinions of anyone who has read this novel. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 09:24, 29 May 2021 (EDT)

I think I tried reading this novel some decades ago and dropped it very quickly, so I can't add much to the discussion of how much speculative content it has. Wikipedia's plot summaries and this New York Times review suggest that the first volume in the series was a contemporary political thriller while later volumes added increasing amounts of "near future" speculative content.
Based on the above, I certainly wouldn't delete the first book in the series. We list a number of non-genre books by authors "below the threshold" because they are a part of an otherwise speculative series, so this wouldn't be an outlier. (Of course, if a series is overwhelmingly non-genre with a few genre installments, e.g. Nancy Drew, we only list the genre works.) I would set the non-genre flag and add a note to the effect that "this novel has no known speculative content, but its sequels do." Ahasuerus 20:00, 29 May 2021 (EDT)
This discussion highlights an ISFDB problem. There are so many published works, there is almost zero chance that the moderator group has read any specific title. When an editor submits a major change, genre, in this case, we can assume they have read the work. I applaud Ron for applying an objective standard to make his decision.
Allen Drury is one of my favorite authors. I first read the series in high school. I have reread it at least one more time, the first two volumes more than that. In fact, I still have my original mass market pb's. The stories are written in the present (1960's). They can only be called "Alternate History" in the sense that they are fiction. Drury uses composite characterizations and created events rather than actual historical events and people. The statement " Two or three presidents have followed Eisenhower and the current president belongs to a party that is unidentifiable" is laughable. The characterizations were so identifiable that Drury had to publicly state that none of his characters were based on any real person or party. While the central theme is constant throughout the series, each book has a different focus. Presidential prerogative and mechanics of the Congress, the sad state of the United Nations, the bias and corruption of the press are three of the books. I never considered these to be sf, Rosab618 is correct.
Where does that leave us? From my limited time actively participating, we rarely get responses to questions like this. I have no problem with an objective standard, "appears in a recognized SF reference works. Reginald1, Tuck and Clute/Nicholls". My preference is to go with the opinion of a submitter who has read the work. However, I will support whichever way we decide. Let's just be consistent. John Scifibones 10:18, 30 May 2021 (EDT)
Unfortunately, it's a common issue. As you said, there are so many works out there that it's impossible for a single person -- or even a group of people -- to have read all of them. It's particularly problematic when dealing with works published by non-genre publishers. The SF bibliographer Kenneth R. Johnson who compiled a comprehensive online index of older SF Pornography ran into this issue repeatedly:
  • Many previous bibliographies have attempted to list SF porn, either separately or as part of a larger, all-inclusive SF bibliography. I have examined every book that I could find that was listed in such works and discovered among them many pornographic books that I do not consider SF at all. In order to avoid being constantly deluged with people pointing out the books I “missed,” I have included these titles in a separate section.
Ahasuerus 11:24, 30 May 2021 (EDT)
I, like Ahaseurus, picked up the book and put it down very quickly. I have seen the movie, and both are based on the Alger Hiss case, with characters based on Alben Barkley, Joe McCarthy, Perle Mesta, and many other 20th-century Washington insiders. Can we just mark it non-genre?--Rosab618 14:52, 30 May 2021 (EDT)
Rosab618, I'm disappointed to hear that you haven't read the books. It weakens my argument in favor of your position. Your comment looks like something you read on the internet, Wikipedia maybe. My statement above, "When an editor submits a major change, genre, in this case, we can assume they have read the work" has just been disproved. Perhaps, Ron's approach is the better alternative. John Scifibones 15:55, 30 May 2021 (EDT)
Sorry to let you down, John. I didn't learn that it was a roman à clef on Wikipedia or elsewhere online, I read it in a book called Any Resemblance to Actual Persons: The Real People Behind 400+ Fictional Movie Characters. The basic plot of the book is the same. You've read it and you know it isn't sf, so how about we mark it non-genre? How about using our common sense?--Rosab618 17:38, 30 May 2021 (EDT)
Aside form the secondary sources, I still feel that the elements mentioned in the Miller review seem speculative to me. Yes, we now know of the presidents beyond Eisenhower, and though the Soviets haven't visited the moon, the US has. But in 1959 when the novel was published Eisenhower was the president and it was still two years before Gagarin's flight. How is that not speculative, or was Miller mistaken about these elements? --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:07, 30 May 2021 (EDT)
When Jules Verne wrote about travel to the moon, it was SF. If you wrote it in the 1960s, using technology that existed, it might be a technothriller. If the story was about what was found on the moon, that's speculative, so puts it back into SF. But the moon shot was just background colour, not part of the plot of this book. That alone isn't enough to make a book SF. AlanHK 23:41, 29 July 2021 (EDT)

Giger

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?328366; seems to be some confusion about dates in the notes, but this, https://fantlab.ru/edition129992, has more info including a 1988 copyright for German edition; intro is 1990 but other half of photo says this is 7th printing, August 2005, so it's a mess. Also, there's an ISFDB link on the page where they copied info from but didn't bother fully updating it with info from their photos. Anyone here have a copy of the original 1990 American printing or the 1988 edition? --Username 11:10, 30 May 2021 (EDT)

Swigart's Vector

https://archive.org/details/vector00robs; http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53219. This book was worked on here many years ago by someone who no longer responds to messages; the issue here is the archived copy has a different price and the date says 06/86 on back flap but July 1986 on copyright page, both of which are different from ISFDB's date. So if anyone would like to comment...--Username 17:01, 30 May 2021 (EDT)

Price Problems

https://www.amazon.fr/Fares-Please-Omnibus-Containing-Mustard/dp/B000WUG9KS; http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1346459; I thought Tuck's price was wrong so I was going to fix it and add the price on cover but then I noticed a 5s price is blacked out on the cover also. I don't know if this book was reissued a bunch of times or what, so if anyone knows...--Username 13:00, 1 June 2021 (EDT)

Once again I answer my own question; Fantastic Fiction includes a cover with original price, so I added it. Go me. --Username 14:40, 11 August 2021 (EDT)

Angry Rabbit

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20496; the 1965 American edition from Norton was never entered on ISFDB so I entered it using info from the copy on archive.org; the cover is awesome, but problem is only info on artist is the word "Lurin" at bottom right. There's a Larry Lurin on ISFDB who did 2 covers around the same time as this book, then nothing for 25 years and then a bunch of other covers in the nineties. Searching for book title and Lurin on Google only gives 1 hit, the Toronto Public Library copy, which says "Cover art: Lurin". Does anyone know if it's him? Such great art deserves proper credit, especially since this novel was used as the basis for the 1972 KILLER RABBITS movie Night of the Lepus. --Username 14:15, 1 June 2021 (EDT)

Evans and/or Clark

https://sordidspheres.wordpress.com/2007/08/05/john-urling-clark-robin-beresford-evans-the-experiment/; http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?614531; I couldn't find an Amazon cover image to add to ISFDB, but I noticed on this Sphere-related site that the cover has 2 authors, yet the note on ISFDB talks about Evans being the real name of Clark. So are they the same or 2 different people? --Username 00:37, 3 June 2021 (EDT)

Synapse Electronic Novels

https://www.apple.asimov.net/documentation/games/misc/brimstone.pdf; https://mocagh.org/broderbund/mindwheel-manual-inside.pdf; https://mocagh.org/broderbund/breakers-manual.pdf; https://www.mocagh.org/broderbund/essex-manual-inside.pdf; Synapse Software was a computer game company that released many action games in the early 80's, but then decided to release literary text adventures which flopped, then they were bought out by Broderbund and disappeared around 1985. However, they included novellas along with the games, 4 of which were released, Mindwheel, Essex, Brimstone, and Breakers (Ronin was apparently completed but not released). That Brimstone PDF linked above (which took a LONG time to load) is full of interesting stuff like is the David Bunch mentioned really the famous SF author David R. Bunch? Also, some of the other names (Sanford, Blair, etc.) are on ISFDB. Mindwheel is also interesting because it was written by famous poet Robert Pinsky, who has 2 poems on ISFDB. These games were hot stuff in the computer mags of the mid-80's, with a parser they nicknamed BTZ, "Better than Zork", but MY GOD were they boring. Still, they are high-quality genre games made by some important literary figures, so the written material probably belongs on ISFDB. --Username 02:16, 3 June 2021 (EDT)

New Web page -- Authors for Publisher

A new Web page, "Authors for Publisher", has been implemented. All Publisher Web pages now have 2 new "Publication Breakdown by Author" links at the bottom of the page. For example, if you navigate to the Publisher page for JABberwocky Literary Agency and click the "Sort by Publication Count" link, if you will get a breakdown of this publisher's publications by author, sorted by count.

As the top of the Web page says:

  • Note that the statistics below count the number of publications associated with publication-level authors and editors. They do not count the authors of individual titles (stories, poems, etc.) contained in publications. Each edition of a book increments its author's count. Different forms of an author's name, e.g. 'Mary Shelley' vs. 'Mary W. Shelley', are counted separately.

Hopefully, this will let our users get an idea of what kind of publisher they are looking at at a glance. If you run into any issues with the new Web page or have suggestions, please post your findings here. Ahasuerus 16:27, 3 June 2021 (EDT)

Skeleton Crew Story

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1007894; no PV for this edition and no one ever entered page numbers so I did from Fantlab photos. All seemed OK until near the end when 1 story was titled Becka Paulson instead of the longer title. The longer title was used in this edition, too, so I don't know why whoever entered contents made the variant title. I changed title to what it should be, so if anything else needs to be done, let me know. --Username 18:40, 4 June 2021 (EDT)

Spider-Man Series

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?3534; added covers to both of these, then wondered why only 2 entries existed; turns out there's 5 others (which I vaguely recall adding some covers to a while back), but they're all listed under "Super Thriller" as a publisher series instead of series. I don't know which is correct, so if anyone else does and wants to combine all of them under one web... --Username 02:04, 5 June 2021 (EDT)

I noticed someone did some moving in response to this note. Checking further revealed that a lot was wrong with the info for these books so I fixed/added and now I think they're a lot more accurate. However, I don't think the 2 "You Are..." books are part of the Super-Thriller series. Wikipedia only mentions the first 5 books. Also, gamebooks.org mentions a 1996 Turtleback edition before the 1997 Archway edition for 1 of them so those may need to be separated and fixed, too. --Username 11:46, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
Please do act to remove the series when you think it was added erroneously. Stonecreek 23:24, 7 June 2021 (EDT)

Bear

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4999421; note from someone about this possibly being non-genre, so I found cover image, and unless that creepy voyeur grizzly checking out the naked kid is possessed by the devil or something, I think it's safe to say it's not a genre book. The authors seem to have written a LOT of nature books, and a few have interesting titles. The Devil of the Woods sounds like a genre book but both covers I've seen show a rabid raccoon or something so I think the "Devil" is figurative rather than literal. However, Windigo is described on the cover as "a wilderness story of fear and courage", so that might be ISFDB material. Will look into this further, but if anyone's read Windigo and can verify it has genre content, that would be fine. Whether The Last Monster should be marked as non-genre or just deleted I'll leave to mods to decide. --Username 09:37, 6 June 2021 (EDT)

Post Mortem

Interesting this is; Post Mortem Press released dozens of books between 2011-2017. There are only 2 on Fantlab, 1 of which is a Horror Zine anthology. The other is The Ghost IS the Machine, a 2012 anthology, but Fantlab has a different cover than ISFDB with same artwork but showing only a piece of it and with a different font for the title, and a graphic in lower right saying "Post Mortem Press Classic". Searching online for that phrase only brought up 2 pages, both from Facebook, where Post Mortem made their last post in 2017 and then in September 2020 made 1 more post saying, "Gone, But Not Forgotten. Post Mortem Press Classic Anthologies are still available". Instead of listing titles, they give a link which looks suspicious so I didn't click it. ISFDB has 56 publications, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?35508, + 1 under the series title Post Mortem Press: The Early Years, which is the 2020 e-book Road to Hell edited by Eric Beebe, but there's no earlier edition on ISFDB, and it says #5 so obviously there are others in the series. Searching online for Early Years brings up a lot of pages including this one, https://www.amazon.com/Post-Mortem-Press-Early-Years/dp/B08K937N31, and this, https://jamesdorrwriter.wordpress.com/2020/08/21/one-by-me-in-post-mortem-press-the-early-years-offer/, mentions a Kindle anthology which is nearly 1,500 pages long and collects 7 earlier anthologies, but doesn't say which ones they are, and mentions they're partnered with Petulant Child Press, which has 3 2020 novels on ISFDB but no anthologies. So seems like there's a lot of missing editions for this publisher on ISFDB both for the earlier print books and later e-books. --Username 09:37, 7 June 2021 (EDT)

Kenneth Roberts

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?235635; I added cover to Henry Gross and His Dowsing Rod, then saw title page had it as just by "Kenneth Roberts" so I changed name in the record; top of page says he used that as an alternate name but only item under that name is a Doc Savage novel in an old pulp, and that record says they changed house name after it was discovered Kenneth Roberts was already in use. I don't think Kenneth Lewis Roberts wrote any pulp fiction, so that alternate name isn't really his, but he did use that name for Dowsing Rod, so if there is an alternate name for him on ISFDB it should be for that, unless mods think a non-fiction book about fake science like dowsing rods doesn't qualify to be here in which case it should be deleted and alternate name completely removed from his record. --Username 12:31, 7 June 2021 (EDT)

Added cover for Water Unlimited, another "dowsing rod" book by Roberts and again published as by "Kenneth Roberts". --Username 12:41, 7 June 2021 (EDT)
Thanks for finding the unnecessary pseudonym link (and your other work)! Stonecreek 23:22, 7 June 2021 (EDT)
Both books were deleted as non-genre, so it's all moot. Only Kenneth Roberts on ISFDB now is the house name for the Doc Savage publication. --Username 13:14, 12 June 2021 (EDT)

(The) Vampire Woman

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?601569; saw Fantlab had photos; cover and spine both say Vampire Woman, but ISFDB says The Vampire Woman; can't find photo of title page online to verify which is correct, but all posters and home video covers I've seen for the movie don't have "The". It's a novelization of a terrible Paul Naschy Spanish horror film that was turned into an even worse Americanized version and played drive-ins for years. Online info says real author's name is Leo Guild, regarded as a terrible pulp novelist with many titles to his credit including the immortal STREET OF HO'S. Publisher is Guild-Hartford so that would make sense. Ramble House issued a reprint edition with (intentionally?) terrible cover art, http://www.ramblehouse.com/werewolfvsvampirewoman.htm, and they also have "The" in the title, but they chose to use Scarm instead of Scram, unlike ISFDB. So if anyone can add any info here, like letting us know what the title is on the title page, reply here. --Username 14:21, 8 June 2021 (EDT)

Nigel Hill(s)

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?22120; Nigel Hills has more than a dozen cover credits on ISFDB; there's also 1 cover that's by Nigel Hill for a Severn House edition of B. Bova's Test of Fire which I think is Mr. Hills since many of his other covers were for that publisher. No PV, so does anyone have a copy? Even finding a cover for this edition online was unsuccessful. --Username 15:48, 9 June 2021 (EDT)

Mr. Three Cover

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1939913; this is odd, because there was an American edition in 1966 unentered here until I added it today, but cover artist for British edition says "Keith Cunningham", even though the American cover clearly uses the same art, just arranged differently. Ben Feder is credited in 1966 edition and has many credits for cover art here while Cunningham has only this one, so I wonder what's up with that? Maybe the editor who entered the British edition's info would like to respond and say where they got Cunningham from. --Username 18:28, 9 June 2021 (EDT)

I added page numbers to Pages From Cold Point, Paul Bowles' 1968 collection from Peter Owen, and flap says "Jacket design by Keith Cunningham". So I suspect someone entered him as cover artist for Mr. Three when in fact he just designed it, and Feder was real artist. --Username 00:36, 12 June 2021 (EDT)

W.C. Morrow

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1147307; only 1 story by Morrow had no date on ISFDB, "The Haunted Automaton", so I searched archive.org and the title was only in an 1885 San Francisco newspaper, The Wasp. Comparing first paragraph with PDF of the story online confirmed they're the same, so now Morrow's record is fully dated. Oddly, online sites either say unknown for the date like ISFDB does or 1897, which is the date of his collection, The Ape, The Idiot & Other People, but the story doesn't appear in the contents so where they got that date from is unclear; the only site I can find that knows the correct date is this, https://www.noosfere.org/livres/niourf.asp?numlivre=2146563344; why a French site seems to be the only one that knows the correct date of a story published in an American newspaper is a mystery. --Username 17:50, 10 June 2021 (EDT)

Checking archive.org, I see that the story starts on page 18 of the "Christmas 1885" issue, so I have changed the month from 1885-07 to 1885-12. Does the record look OK now? Ahasuerus 00:31, 11 June 2021 (EDT)
Yes; when I was looking at the story earlier on archive.org something was bothering me about it but I couldn't quite say what it was, but you obviously noticed it, too, and realized this wasn't a single issue but several months' worth bundled together. Magazines sometimes combine several months in one issue's date but not newspapers. Date is correct now, and shame on me for not paying closer attention. I read somewhere online that 4 of Morrow's stories that were not in his 1897 collection were in the rare 2000 collection The Monster-Maker (and several reprint editions by other publishers since), but that was published by Midnight House and I have no desire to go near their books again any time soon after my battle with them and their ISBN's a few months ago. I found this, http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks06/0606131h.html, which includes all 4 stories, so maybe that can be added to the record. --Username 02:23, 11 June 2021 (EDT)
I just added the Gutenberg link to Morrow's record, but a few things are odd. The ebook says it was created on August 2006, but the abridged Benediction editions whose contents are the same as the ebook are from 2010-2011, so there may be an earlier edition by them or some other publisher where the ebook's contents were taken from. Also, the Benediction HC is dated 7 months after the TP but has an earlier ISBN, is half the price (usually the TP is cheaper), and the page count differs by 2 pages. There may be some changes needed; we'll see. --Username 12:15, 12 June 2021 (EDT)

Whistler

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=mcneill+whistler&type=Name; are these by same artist? Also, is this the artist of "Whistler's Mother" fame? --Username 14:43, 11 June 2021 (EDT)

I've cleaned them up as they are, indeed, the same person. And yes, this is the guy who painted "Whistler's Mother" (see here). ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:58, 11 June 2021 (EDT)

Search for Agatha

I smell trouble ahead on this one. So I randomly came across Agatha Christie's page and was surprised to see that for such a major figure her genre publications are very patchy on ISFDB, with missing editions and covers. I added the 1965 Collins edition of Hound of Death which is apparently very rare, but the problem is that when I also decided to enter the missing page numbers from the copy of the original 1933 Odhams edition found on Richard Dalby's site 1 of the stories has a different title! "The Strange Case of Sir Andrew Carmichael" is titled "...Arthur Carmichael" on ISFDB. A 2000 Christie book seen on Google Books, The Complete Christie, mentions how shocking it is that the story was reprinted in 1971 in Christie's collection The Golden Ball with the "Andrew" title while the story itself still used the name "Arthur", but actually it is the original 1933 title. Not being familiar with her work, I can't say if this is something well-known, but maybe someone here knows. None of the Hound of Death editions have a PV, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1093288, but an anthology where the story appeared does, 1985's Realms of Darkness, so that's 1 where hopefully the PV still has the book and can verify which title it used. Also, the Fontana PB has no cover on ISFDB, but when I went looking for it I found a cover with same art but different price (4/-), a cover with no price, a cover where the white skull seen on the other covers was gold (don't know whether that's really a separate edition or just bad photography), and a completely different cover with a black hound that has 1 of its eyes hanging out. Also, the page where I found the 1965 Collins edition mentions that the 1936 edition had a couple of reprints a few years later with different covers, so there's some more editions. So I have a feeling her ISFDB record will be growing soon; 1 thing I'm glad about is that her novel And Then There Were None isn't genre, because then the 1939 first edition would have to be added under its original title...--Username 17:25, 11 June 2021 (EDT)

I am not a Christie expert, but I have seen other authors retroactively change character names when their real life namesakes complained. On the other hand, one online review mentions that this story's title is "the subject of a widespread printer's error"... 😕 Ahasuerus 17:29, 12 June 2021 (EDT)

Broken links between Facebook and ISFDB fixed?

A few years ago Facebook began adding Facebook-specific values (starting with &fbclid=) to the end of ISFDB URLs. However, when I checked this Facebook page earlier today, I noticed that all links to ISFDB pages seemed to be working correctly. Would anyone know if any Facebook links to ISFDB are still broken? If so, could you please post examples? Ahasuerus 17:43, 13 June 2021 (EDT)

This post has a link that still doesn't work. It looks like the culprit is an equal sign at the end of the URL ( http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?134396= ). It looks like the software is removing everything but that equal sign. Pretty much any link from FB to ISFDB does this now. So, almost fixed, but not completely. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:45, 14 June 2021 (EDT)
I am afraid the linked post can only be viewed by people with Facebook accounts and I don't have one. The Facebook pages that I can see -- like https://www.facebook.com/pg/internetspecficdb/posts/ that I linked above -- have valid ISFDB URLs. I wonder if the Facebook software adds an equal sign to the end of ISFDB URLs if you are signed it? Ahasuerus 14:45, 14 June 2021 (EDT)
P.S. Here is another Facebook page with a valid ISFDB URL -- https://www.facebook.com/129826343726792/photos/pb.129826343726792.-2207520000.1431700213./874774585898627/?type=3&theatre links to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?194057 -- when you don't have a Facebook account. Ahasuerus 14:56, 14 June 2021 (EDT)
For me both examples still lead to a &fbclid= URL when I click on them (just as a data point). Annie 15:07, 14 June 2021 (EDT)
The URL in the example I gave above is this: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?134396&fbclid=IwAR1rXM7ueaWD8Eh13k_qTOLQ-rA7_m8q_dWKca_feSg3xu2azceXRGiQJPg
Not sure if that will help. Is there a way to strip anything after the number following the cgi script? Basically everything from the question mark after the number? That would fix the problem. Right now, it seems like it's stripping everything except for the equals sign. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:26, 14 June 2021 (EDT)
As I said - not for me. It does not strip anything when I click on them (I am logged in both in FB and in ISFDB). Annie 15:41, 14 June 2021 (EDT)
Thanks, folks. Appreciate the info!
Here is what I think is going on. When you have a Facebook account, Facebook stores certain information within your browser using "cookies". If you go to another Web site and that site is a Facebook associate (with Facebook-provided software installed), that site's software will retrieve and leverage the data in the Facebook-originated cookies.
So far so good since none of it affects what we do here -- we are not a Facebook associate and don't run any Facebook-developed software. However, at some point ca. 2017-2018 some browsers (Safari?) started limiting the use of third-party cookies in a more aggressive way, which affected Facebook's ability to send data to Facebook associates. To get around the issue, Facebook developers started adding "&fbclid=" to the end of external URLs. Everything after the equal sign was Facebook-specific data duplicating a part of what Facebook puts in your cookies.
Of course, if you don't have a Facebook account, there is nothing for Facebook to send to its associates, so their software doesn't add "&fbclid=" to the end of external URLs. Hence the difference between what I see and what you see.
I am currently working on centralizing the way ISFDB URLs are handled and I may have a way to strip "&fbclid=" from URLs in the foreseeable future. Stay tuned... Ahasuerus 15:59, 14 June 2021 (EDT)
Sounds good. All us old people who know what "tuned" means, will stay tuned. (^_^) ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:05, 14 June 2021 (EDT)
Knowing what 'tuned' means, means that you have acquired considerable knowledge and experience over the years :) MagicUnk 11:45, 15 June 2021 (EDT)

Facebook Link Fixes

All Publisher- and Publication Series-specific Web pages have been adjusted to ignore Facebook IDs in URLs. Please let me know if you come across any issues. Ahasuerus 18:59, 15 June 2021 (EDT)

All Edit History pages have been updated. Ahasuerus 21:22, 15 June 2021 (EDT)
All Bibliographic pages have been updated to ignore Facebook IDs. While working on this issue, I also made a number of other software improvements. Some of them -- security, maintainability, etc -- should be invisible to our users, but I also fixed a few minor bugs in the code. If you notice anything unexpected, please let me know. Ahasuerus 15:01, 18 June 2021 (EDT)
Awesome! Thanks for all your hard work! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:16, 18 June 2021 (EDT)
I am here to serve! :-) 👽
I am about to start upgrading our Edit and Moderator Web pages to use the same processing logic. They are unlikely to be linked to by Facebook, but there are other benefits to standardizing URL processing on our side. As always, if you see anything odd, please let me know. Ahasuerus 21:47, 18 June 2021 (EDT)

Don Webb

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33157; Hello, French citizens. I've been adding/fixing info for Don Webb's story collections, with many missing covers, wrong titles/dates, etc. 1 I can't fix is his story "Reaganomics", which is entered as original on ISFDB but Google Books' copy of Stealing My Rules says it's from a French pamphlet series. Problem is the limited search for this book only shows half of the words, and I'm not sure what title of pamphlet is. It starts with capital T and says it's #77, and date says 1987 but looks like there's a question mark after it so even publishers don't seem sure of their info. Anyone know more or own a copy, so that date can be changed on ISFDB? --Username 13:44, 16 June 2021 (EDT)

Never mind; I checked locusmag.com and they have contents and page numbers for this book, including info that "Reaganomics" came from "Tuyau #77, '87", so I changed the date. Mystery solved. Thanks Username. You're welcome. --Username 14:02, 16 June 2021 (EDT)

Cover Designers

Many books I've come across have the info on back flap, Cover Design by Antler & Baldwin, Inc. Only a few are on ISFDB because I (and others) don't often enter designers, just illustrators, but today I came across a book with the info, Cover Design by Bob Antler & Sally Baldwin. Never having seen their names before, I did a search on archive.org and that book, https://archive.org/details/scifi0000mars, is the only book that contains "Bob Antler" and "Sally Baldwin". Bob Antler is on ISFDB with a few art credits but Baldwin is not. I suppose they got together and did Sci-Fi's cover under their own names and then decided to incorporate. So if anyone thinks this is important or that Antler's name should be linked to the Inc. name, or can find other books with their full names credited, cool. --Username 20:02, 17 June 2021 (EDT)

People do not add designers as cover artists because they are not supposed to - the ones in the DB are there because of someone not reading a rule or because they are also artists of part of the cover. See the help page: "The cover designer (as opposed to the cover artist) is only entered in this field if he or she also did (parts of) the cover art. Otherwise the cover designer can be recorded in the note field.". So if you want to add a note into the publication, feel free to - some people like adding these in the notes (If we ever get other roles supported, we can move them to a proper place). Annie 20:12, 17 June 2021 (EDT)
I'm aware that designers aren't supposed to be entered, but I've come across countless ISFDB records where I entered missing info but some had already been entered by others, and very often it's the designer incorrectly entered as the cover artist (I can't count how many times I've seen Paul Bacon's name entered even though he almost never is credited as cover artist on book flaps, only as designer). Only reason I mentioned this is because as often as I've seen Antler & Baldwin I've never come across them credited by their full names, and as I said, this is the only book on all of the Archive with their names credited, so I thought it was info worth mentioning. Problem now is the cover on the Archive has a big sticker covering part of the art, and Amazon has no cover available, so it's pointless to enter info about the cover designers when there's no cover to see. There's still the issue of whether Bob Antler's art credits should be linked to Antler & Baldwin, and I'd still like to know whether anyone can find another book where they're both credited on the flap. I am curious, yellow. On a somewhat related note, I tried to offer some help to 1 of the other editors by letting them know a couple of reviews they entered in magazines didn't link to their ISFDB titles because there were slight differences in the wording, and I thanked them 3 times for their work entering these mags and offered my help because I own several years' worth of the same mag, but was greeted with hostility. That wouldn't bother me, having grown used to that by now, but what did disturb me was this person then added a childish tantrum on my page which I deleted, but which can still partially be seen here, http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Username&curid=200275&action=history. I'm not sure what the rules are for stuff like that here, but I can't imagine it's acceptable to hack someone else's page like that. Looking back over this person's discussions on the boards with other people about different topics, they seem to have a problem with people disagreeing with them, so I should have known better than to engage with them. Obviously, I won't be leaving any messages for this person about anything again, but I think leaving this note is important in case anything like this happens again. --Username 21:01, 17 June 2021 (EDT)
Posting on other editors' User pages -- jokingly or otherwise -- is not acceptable. ISFDB editors have been known to disagree about issues, sometimes passionately, but we need to keep things civil. I have left a note on the editor's Talk page. Ahasuerus 22:07, 17 June 2021 (EDT)
I deleted the page as that (basically) vandalism was the only thing on the page. That way it will only be visible to moderators or above. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:19, 18 June 2021 (EDT)
It's not fair or true to say that I have a problem with people disagreeing with me.--Rosab618 01:04, 19 June 2021 (EDT)

Simak's Empire

Since Clifford D. Simak's 1951 novel Empire has been worked on by multiple editors, I am posting a note here where everyone can see it.

It turns out that the novel published by H. L. Gold in 1951 was a 1939 Simak rewrite of a much older unsold novel by John W. Campbell, Jr. -- see the updated title record for details. According to Simak, he tried to convince Campbell to share the credit and the money when the novel was finally sold, but Campbell refused. I figure it's enough justification to add Campbell to the canonical title. (I have also notified SFE3.) Ahasuerus 21:43, 19 June 2021 (EDT)

Breathed

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354281; Open Library has 2 copies, the 1 on ISFDB dated 04-10-2007 and another that's previewable; it says FIRST IMPRESSION and Mar. 2007 on copyright page, but cover is different, with changed background and mother and son farther away. Info was entered 10 years ago and editor is no longer active, and I am not familiar with Breathed's work past that comic strip he did with the penguin which I used to read, so does anyone know if publisher really released book with 2 covers within a month of each other? Seems odd to me. https://openlibrary.org/search?q=%22mars+needs+moms%22&mode=everything. --Username 20:49, 20 June 2021 (EDT)

Chinese novel I Refuse To Be a Supporting Character

We have a record for the 2020 English translation of the Chinese fantasy novel I Refuse To Be a Supporting Character, but we don't have the Chinese title or the spelling of the author's name in Chinese. Would anyone be able to figure any of it out based on the picture on the publisher's Web site? TIA! Ahasuerus 17:17, 21 June 2021 (EDT)

The original Chinese title is 穿成女主闺蜜怎么办 and the author pen name is 姜离远. The original(?) link to the book as a webnovel on publisher website jjwxc / Jinjiang Literature City. Morebooks 18:42, 21 June 2021 (EDT)
Thanks! Ahasuerus 23:42, 21 June 2021 (EDT)

Same Art, Different Artists

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?10452; first 2 editions have same art but different artist credited for each; no PV's, no notes, no copies on archive.org so I could check and fix, so maybe editors who entered info (if they're still around) can decide which artist really did that art. --Username 18:37, 21 June 2021 (EDT)

Both records have been entered by Chris J. You could post on his talk page and ask if he has an idea. Regards, MagicUnk 12:38, 22 June 2021 (EDT)
He checked online info and decided to keep 1 artist and remove the other. --Username 20:15, 22 June 2021 (EDT)

Too Many Pages

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?307591; I found a link for this and added it to the record, https://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/meade/sorceress/sorceress.html. When adding page numbers something seemed odd, and now that my edit's been approved, I realize the numbers are much higher than the page count for the book. Checking out the link, I see at the bottom of the page that they say there was no contents page in original ed. but that they were added for this modern digital version. So should contents' numbers be erased? I assume numbers they provided are the original Strand Magazine page numbers. Did that magazine really run more than 600 pages per issue? --Username 10:58, 22 June 2021 (EDT)

No, they did not run for 600 pages per issue but these are "volume" pages. The volumes worth of issue (6 months or a year), started with page 1 and kept running though the volume so an issue will start at page 387 for example. Some magazines still do that (Nature for example). So the page numbers would be correct if we are adding the magazines themselves but in this book, unless a note explains it, they should not be there. Fixed. Annie 11:08, 22 June 2021 (EDT)

Author/Series URLs with non-English characters fixed

I am very happy to report that Author and Series pages now accept non-English characters in URLs, e.g. the following URLs should work as of 10 minutes ago:

  • "www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Joël Champetier"
  • "www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Stanisław Lem" [note the "ł" in the first name]
  • "www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Живко Петров"
  • "www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?ソードアート・オンライン"

If you notice anything odd, please report your findings here. Ahasuerus 14:48, 22 June 2021 (EDT)

Banzai! Banzai! Banzai! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:53, 22 June 2021 (EDT)

Time Out

I'm curious as to how automatic logout works. When someone logs in so they can leave a message on the boards, going back an hour or two (or less) later requires another login. Is there a way to increase logout to a longer time so editors don't have to sign in several times a day? I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this before, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's an issue for others, too. --Username 20:24, 22 June 2021 (EDT)

You shouldn't have to login multiple times daily. If you're having to do that, something is messing with your cookies, and it's not the site. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:19, 23 June 2021 (EDT)
Yep - as long as I remember to click on "Remember my login on this computer" during login, the session holds a few days/weeks for me on any of my browsers. So if it does not for you, something is cleaning your cookies prematurely. If you do not click on it, then yes - next time you come in, you need to login again. Annie 12:43, 23 June 2021 (EDT)
(after edit conflict) When you log in on the ISFDB database side, the expiration date for the account is set to "Fri, 08-Sep-2037 15:00:00", so that shouldn't be an issue.
On the ISFDB Wiki side, logins are handled separately; session duration is controlled by the Wiki software, which we have limited control over. The first thing that I would check would be Special:Preferences. Is the "Remember my login on this computer" checkbox checked? Ahasuerus 12:47, 23 June 2021 (EDT)
Yeah, I thought it was cookie-related; I don't click on "remember my login" on any sites because I don't trust any of them, so I guess I'll just have to sign in a bit more often than others here. No big deal. What amused me, however, was when I checked out "my preferences" I realized I haven't touched that page since I first became an editor last December. Most of the info doesn't interest me, but I noticed it said my number of edits was less than 700, when I know they're in the thousands by now. I'm sure there's a good reason for the discrepancy that I don't understand, but whatever. Now that I think about it, it probably refers to my edits on the message boards and not the actual fiction-related edits I made. Yeah, that's probably it. --Username 01:29, 24 June 2021 (EDT)
Edits in the Wiki - Not the DB. Two different counters. Think of ISFDB as two separate sites with a common authentication credentials :) Annie 02:33, 24 June 2021 (EDT)

A Pure Waste of Time

On 2021-06-24 02:52:30 I've submitted this "MakeVariant" submission. It was rejected on 2021-06-24 07:21:27 by Dirk P. Broer with the "Already Done" comment, likely because Dirk P. Broer made him/herself the same submission on 2021-06-24 06:47:26 (about 4 hours AFTER my own submission that was perfectly correct when I made it) and approved it.
I wish to protest with the utmost energy against such gratuitous waste of my time (and also Dirk P. Broer's but it's his/her fault). With nearly 500 submissions waiting in the queue, it may be advisable that well-meaning moderators have first a look at the contents of the queue BEFORE working on the cleanup reports. This will avoid such missteps. After 7.000+ submissions, I was hoping that any moderator was knowledgeable of the fact that I rarely leave "dangling" issues (in this case unvarianted-to-canonical items). Note that the serious bottleneck at moderation level is also likely to blame for such incidents.
It is very annoying to see my work so casually dismissed (and duplicated) because of a lack of method. AlainLeBris 13:07, 24 June 2021 (EDT)

When a moderator approves a submission, there is frequently a certain amount of housekeeping that needs to be performed post-approval, e.g. merging newly created title records with pre-existing title records. Sometimes it necessitates multi-step edits and, as a side effect, invalidates related submissions. When it happens, it's not an indication that something is wrong with the invalidated submissions or that the approving moderator is dismissive of the work done by the submitter. It's happened to all of us at one point or another, including other moderators who happened to be working on the same set of records at the same time.
The only way to eliminate this type of scenarios would be to rewrite the software to eliminate the need for multi-step submissions, but that would be a monumental task.
That being said, you are right that having fewer submissions would help with this issue, but even 50-100 outstanding submissions is probably enough to make this scenario inevitable. Ahasuerus 09:29, 25 June 2021 (EDT)
Another thing to keep in mind is that everyone here is volunteering their time. This means we work on things here when we have the time to do so, which inevitably means that the queue of submissions requiring review can sometimes build up a lot. The queue grows and shrinks regularly (I've seen it completely empty many times, though that doesn't usually last for very long). We appreciate your patience. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:55, 25 June 2021 (EDT)

Tsathoggua

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?839770; 1 copy was PV'd years ago, but today someone added new "2nd printing" copy and uploaded cover image. Cover art is the same but cover artist is different between the 2 on ISFDB, and the only site which includes "Fassl" and "Mark Achilles White" when you search on Google is LibraryThing. Interestingly, this seems to be the only Chaosium book with art by Mr. White, who is a popular production designer these days with many IMDB credits since 2009. I also see that the photo on the cover is credited online to John Skillin, so he might count as a credit, too. Copy on Google Books has a 2002 copyright for White's cover art and Skillin's photo, however, unlike the 2005 date for the anthology itself; misprint or borrowed art? Also, if you type Fassl into search box on Google Books' copy, it gives a bit of info including "Cover art by Harry Fassl", but the page itself is not part of the preview. So they seemed to be very confused at Chaosium. --Username 13:18, 24 June 2021 (EDT)

Zacharow/Zakarow

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=christopher+za&type=Name; this one is weird. The first 2 names on that linked page both have cover art credits. Zacharow is a well-known artist with several credits here and some for non-genre books on archive.org, and he has a website, zacharow.org, with lots of paintings and drawings. However, Zakarow didn't exist here until I saw The Ax by Donald Westlake on ISFDB and entered info from the archive.org copy. Searching for "Christopher Zakarow" on Google gives no hits, and searching for that name in archive.org only gives 1 book, Bordersnakes by James Crumley, also published by Mysterious Press like Westlake's book. Now I know that info online is copied endlessly from 1 site to another, and these are books from well-known authors and publisher, so the fact that cover artist's name shows up NOWHERE makes me nervous. I typed in "Zakarow" and "Mysterious Press" on Google and only 2 sites, biblio.com and abebooks.co.uk, mention his name, but only for Bordersnakes and only as Zakarow, even though his full name is given on the flaps of both books on archive.org. I suppose an artist with almost exactly the same name did cover art, but I doubt it. So if anyone is more familiar with his work and knows if he did those 2 Zakarow covers (which came more than 5 years after Zacharow's credits end on ISFDB) let us know. Also, I added Zacharow's name to Daniel Rhodes' first 2 books, Next After Lucifer and Adversary; Adversary's archive.org copy shows his name on back flap, but the Lucifer archive.org copy is damaged or something and searching inside is screwed up so I got his art credit for that one from somewhere else; weird thing is searching for his name and "Daniel Rhodes" doesn't give hits for either of those books on archive.org. I don't know what's up with this guy's name being so hard to find, but I think he probably has more credits for genre covers out there than we know. --Username 14:53, 25 June 2021 (EDT)

Possible Pavlac alternative names

Anyone know if

"Pavlac" seems an unusual enough surname - for Anglophone countries at least - that if feels it could be unlikely they are different people, although there are quite big pub date differences in their works, so perhaps they're relations?

(Stumbled across whilst following up on this Reddit thread, which might be of possible interest to people here?) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ErsatzCulture (talkcontribs) .

The two Brians may be related but seem to be different persons (author vs. artist, 1980s vs. 2000s). The two Dianas seem to be one and the same person. THanks for spotting this! Christian Stonecreek 14:14, 26 June 2021 (EDT)
According to Brian A. Pavlac's Curriculum Vitæ, he was an undergraduate student in Austria in 1976-1977. He also writes that he enjoys reading and watching science fiction and fantasy stories. I suppose it's possible that he contributed some art to New Fantasy Journal #1 before moving to Austria as an exchange student, but the evidence is inconclusive. I guess we could email him and ask about it. Ahasuerus 17:05, 26 June 2021 (EDT)

American Gladiators Game Books?!?

Yes, it's true; http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?110646. Almost no info entered here; this, https://gamebooks.org/gladlist.htm, gives some, but no prices, and online info contradicts that 1991 date for the first book, with November 1992 seemingly the real date. I started to enter info for the first book and then realized there's no cover on Amazon, and I hesitate to upload a cover for something like this, especially since I'm not sure it even qualifies to be here; maybe since the stars of the show had made-up names like Laser and Zap it's considered vaguely fantastic? If it does, 2nd book should be entered, too, although they seem to be very different in content, as explained in the gamebooks.org link. Also, if there's 2 books I guess it qualifies as a series. Maybe some Brits on ISFDB would own copies, since these are for the British version. I see there's an ebay.co.uk seller who took a photo of the 2nd book with full cover, but price on back is so blurry, like it was taken in a London fog, that I can't make it out. Also of interest is that the first book was written by famous SF personality Stan Nicholls, and there's several online interviews where he explains how he came to write it, but the author of the 2nd book, Alistair Hemming, has no info online other than a few sites which mention his Gladiators book, and they can't even agree on the spelling of his name. Pseudonym? --Username 18:44, 25 June 2021 (EDT)

Missing Pseudonym

Not sure why this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?182945, was entered here since there's no note, but if it belongs then it seems it was published as by Peter Graaf, a name that doesn't appear as a pseudonym for the author on ISFDB. Coincidentally, a copy of the original (?) Michael Joseph edition with a photo date stamped just a few days ago is on abebooks.com, and Washburn and Pan editions have covers on Amazon. All say Graaf, so if it was published as by John Christopher I don't see it. --Username 20:35, 26 June 2021 (EDT)

Leftwing

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?335651; Paquette has a 1993 book on ISFDB from Vantage Press, with same cover artist as this 2006 book. Open Library has the 2006 book, but they say 1998 and don't list a publisher, just a cover, with no external links. He has 1 other book listed there, Moroccan Sunsets, which was also published by Leftwing Enterprises the year before, and that's the only book on OL by that publisher. It's possible it was published in 1998 by Vantage also and then reprinted in 2006 by Leftwing, a Canadian publisher judging by the price entered here and the Vancouver note on OL (author's name sounds French-Canadian, so maybe it was a vanity press set up to publish his books). Info on Google for "Leftwing Enterprises"+"Paquette" is almost zero, with the locusmag.com entry being where I assume previous editor got ISFDB's info from. If anyone knows more, let us know. --Username 12:56, 28 June 2021 (EDT)

Stchur

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?3879; I remember Down on the Farm from my horror-reading craze in the late 80s/early 90s. I discovered the artist for the PB on Too Much Horror Fiction, so the cheesy "bonehead with the lobster claw" cover now has a name. However, the genuinely great cover art for the HC is unknown; there's a copy on eBay with 12 photos including both flaps, but there's not a single mention of the cover, not even a token "Cover Design by...", which is very unusual. I don't see any signature, so I would like to know if anyone else knows who did the art. Also, his second novel, Paddywhack, which I don't remember ever seeing or reading back then, has no photos online other than the cover that I could find, so the SATANIC BULLDOG's artist is also unknown. Mr. Stchur seems to be back to horror writing after a 30-year break judging from this, https://www.prweb.com/releases/experience_what_it_would_be_like_to_fall_in_love_with_someone_who_is_not_fully_human/prweb16317088.htm, which sounds not only kind of goofy but also like a book that belongs on ISFDB. --Username 16:57, 28 June 2021 (EDT)

Two Titles

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13146; cover title and ISFDB title differ; Open Library has Horror cover but preview is for Dark. Dark's cover is unusable because it has big library stickers all over it, but Google Images doesn't show any Amazon covers for Dark, and only a few on other sites. I don't know what's up with this because besides the title all other text on both covers seems the same. --Username 09:57, 29 June 2021 (EDT)

The Silence of the Lambs

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1218; I saw there was a page for this on Fantlab, with only the cover and a sweet "advance reading copy" photo, which seems to reveal that the book was first published in August 1988, contradicting Wikipedia's date in May; that's a big difference, so I wonder if anyone knows more. I changed the month and added that Fantlab photo to the book's ISFDB page, plus a link to the original hardcover on Archive.org, which gives no month anywhere I can see, just 1988. It's not strictly an ISFDB book, which is why there's a note saying not to add any publications, but it's certainly 1 of the most important horror books of the last 30 years so it would be nice to add exact publishing data. --Username 18:24, 29 June 2021 (EDT)

But it is not speculative horror and as such is out of scope for the DB. If you would like to propose a change in the eligibility rules, feel free to do that. But as per the current community standards and eligibility rules, we should either delete it or add just the title so we have a placeholder for the awards but we do not add publications (in any language or format) because they are not eligible as per the rules of acquisitions. If the date is wrong, fix that with a note on sources. Other from that. Annie 21:49, 29 June 2021 (EDT)
I'm a bit confused here. Edit History shows book was entered more than a decade ago, in 2009. Several different editors have worked on its record, and I see the last to do so was me. Apparently months ago I added the Wikipedia link to the record and Wikipedia's date (which now seems to be wrong), and it was approved. By you. If it didn't belong on ISFDB it wouldn't be here after all this time, since some of the editors who worked on it are also moderators. Like you. I changed the date to August as per the photo on Fantlab (still awaiting approval), but I find it hard to believe that an amateur like me discovered the true publication date of 1 of the most famous horror novels in recent history, so like my recent work on The Hunt for Red October, another non-genre novel here on ISFDB because of its genre awards, I'd like to pin down the exact publication date, which was done for that book with the help of a couple of others here. In the meantime, as I stated above, I added a link to the original hardcover, so people can read it as it originally appeared before it was endlessly reprinted in cheap paperback editions after the movie came out. --Username 23:13, 29 June 2021 (EDT)
Book vs title situation. The books are out. The title is in for the awards records. :) The image from fang lab will belong to a book/publication, not to the title record - so I responded to that. The link to the whole Fantlab record of the title (not the first edition) is fair game though if want to add that.
You worked on the title - which we have as a placeholder because of the awards (as I mentioned above) - without them, we would not have the record at all. We do not add books/publications to it (including covers) because it is not eligible as it is not our type of horror. Think of these non-genre skeleton titles as a way to have a complete list for the major awards even when they go to a non-genre book. Which means that we cannot have covers and so on - but we can make the title record as correct as possible. If you think that the wiki date is incorrect, you can submit a correction but the note needs to explain the discrepancy. If all you want is to clarify the date, then all is good. Wiki tends to be reliable for exact dates like that in that era - maybe a review somewhere in a magazine/newspaper will help with the date. Annie 23:28, 29 June 2021 (EDT)

Elsie Young, Author of 'The Secret of Yesterday Hills', (1990[?])

I am attempting to contact Elsie Young. I can find nothing on Google. I am merely wishing to gain her permission to use some extracts from 'The Secret of Yesterday Hills' as a teaching resource. Noel McDonough noelpam@gmail.com 0403 354 619 (Australia)

I am afraid we are a bibliographic database and, as such, are not the best place to contact authors. If an author has a publicly disclosed email address, we add it to our "author record", but other than that we rarely have a way to contact anyone. Ahasuerus 14:07, 2 July 2021 (EDT)
There are a few references online, like this, https://www.bookdepository.com/Spectrum-Blue-Recommended-for-9-11-Yrs-Secret-Yesterday-Hills-Elsie-Young/9780729509015, to that title being published by Pascal Press (possibly a reprint since it says Harcourt elsewhere), and this, https://books.google.com/books?id=qdM-o833ZWQC, also published by Pascal Press, has extracts including from Yesterday Hills. It also gives Pascal's address, PO Box 250, Glebe NSW 2037, and their phone #, (02) 8585 4044, and their website, www.pascalpress.com.au. Their website is on Archive.org going back to 1998 and they're still alive today, so Pascal would likely be the ones to give permission. There's so many people named Elsie Young online who knows if any of them are this author. --Username 14:48, 2 July 2021 (EDT)

Alphabetical Sorting

I was working with Edgar Rice Burroughs' bibliography sorted alphabetically, and I discovered something surprising. The sort appears to order upper case letters before lower case letters. For example, "Tarzan Triumphant" is sorted before "Tarzan and 'The Foreign Legion'". It's certainly a valid way of sorting (all uppercase before all lowercase), but, to me, was unexpected. How do others expect the ordering? I'll also raise a second issue while we're on the subject of sorting, though I suspect it would be more complicated to change. If initial articles could be ignored, that would be easier to work with. It's not that big a deal in the author bibliographies, but navigating the magazine directory for TH is maybe getting a bit unwieldy. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 07:36, 2 July 2021 (EDT)

Let me check what the software does internally... Ahasuerus 12:29, 2 July 2021 (EDT)
It turns out that it was a bug. Normally, when the ISFDB software retrieves data from the database, the sorting happens within the database, which is configured to sort English characters in a case-insensitive manner. However, the alphabetical page is a bit different. For performance reasons, it queries the database twice -- once to get all matching canonical titles and then again to get all matching variant titles. The software then combines the two sets of titles and re-sorts the results. It was that last operation, re-sorting, that was done in a case-sensitive fashion. The bug has been fixed, so everything should be back to normal. (For values of "normal" which exclude non-English characters, but that's a whole different can of worms.)
Re: ignoring initial titles, you are right that it would be more difficult to change. Ahasuerus 13:35, 2 July 2021 (EDT)


Thanks for fixing the bibliography sort. I'm used to articles being included, so no worries on the other. Thanks again. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:10, 2 July 2021 (EDT)

Bunn

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?119021; Mr. Bunn's 2012 collection Creeping Stones was entered here in 2014, but not the contents. I did that today, but it was a bit tough. Many stories were already here and could be imported, but many were not. Knowing it was unlikely he wrote so many new stories, I checked bibliography on his website, cullenbunn.com, and saw that almost all were reprints from online zines or genre publications too obscure even for ISFDB. Most had dates, but a couple did not, so I had to trawl through his archived site for 1 story and got the date for the other from a scant couple of mentions on Google, 1 from a French (?) site that listed it as a potential nominee for a 2007 Stoker Award, and the other from an old March 2006 horror.org newsletter mentioning the publisher of the chapbook where the story appeared, NAKED SNAKE. I tweeted Mr. Bunn to ask if he could verify the info I entered, but who knows if he'll respond or if he even remembers exact info anymore. Weird thing is that the publisher of Creeping Stones, Evileye Books, had a website, evileyebooks.com, which is archived, but ends with "robots.txt" a year before Creeping Stones was published. On a related note, 1 of the last mentions before they went dark was Bunn's novel, Crooked Hills, which has a preorder page in Feb. 2011 and then apparently was published in Fall 2011. ISFDB, however, lists publisher for that book as Earwig Press. Looking on Google, Bunn's Wikipedia page mentions it was published by Earwig Press/Evileye Books. So maybe Earwig was an imprint? If anyone owns a copy of either of these books and can verify titles for Creeping Stones (and add page numbers for each story and check if there's a "first publication" page to see if dates match with ones entered here) or verify which publisher is listed for Crooked Hills, that would be great. --Username 12:19, 2 July 2021 (EDT)

Hands Across America

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1602608; https://thebedlamfiles.com/fiction/the-coming-self-destruction-of-the-usa/; I added cover to Souvenir months ago, but Grove eludes me, and I stumbled across Bedlam Files page with different and creepy cover by Panther; anyone here who can add Grove cover or find out whether that Panther is an earlier or later edition? ISBN on cover is same for both, but they had a habit of using different covers when they reprinted. --Username 20:17, 2 July 2021 (EDT)

Different Penguins

Did some fixing for O. Sitwell's Triple Fugue, noticed editor used wrong cover from a later reprint, replaced with right one, checked all 1940 Penguin books here and saw the difference; on older book the penguin logo is standing straight and tall, while later logo has him bent over. When exactly they changed it (and why) is unknown. --Username 22:00, 3 July 2021 (EDT)

Elvira Nude

https://www.amazon.com/Scream-Queens-Very-Best-Society/dp/B001VC6D16; there are 3 books on ISFDB by Drake Publishers, all non-fiction, and they published a lot of other textbooks and such. They were bought out by a guy who owned a bunch of "adult" magazines like Playgirl and High Society, and many years later they were busted for the biggest online credit card fraud case in history. That's not relevant here, but that Amazon link is; apparently in 1991 High Society, a hardcore pornographic magazine, published a horror issue?!? I assume the Elvira shots the cover refers to were taken from 1 of the R-rated movies Cassandra Peterson made in the 70's before she became "Elvira". I wonder if anyone here will admit to owning a copy of this and find out if there's any short stories, interviews, etc. that can be entered here? --Username 11:58, 7 July 2021 (EDT)

Náhuatl

Is it possible to add Náhuatl to the list of available languages? John Scifibones 12:16, 7 July 2021 (EDT)

As per this rule, "only ISO 639-2-recognized languages are supposed to be added to the ISFDB". It so happens that "Nahuatl languages" is an ISO 639-2-recognized group of languages, so we can add it. FR 1421 has been created. Please note that non-English characters are currently not supported in language names, so it will be called "Nahuatl languages" within the ISFDB database. Ahasuerus 12:42, 7 July 2021 (EDT)
Thank you John Scifibones 12:48, 7 July 2021 (EDT)
Done -- Tsintatak has been updated. Ahasuerus 15:16, 7 July 2021 (EDT)

AML Award

Can we add "AML Award" to the list of awards? It's a non-genre award that (over the years, since 1975) has given various category awards to around 100 different genre works and authors/editors. It's a juried award, given by a panel of judges. You can read more here. I'll populate it. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:29, 8 July 2021 (EDT)

Looks good to me. Ahasuerus 20:43, 8 July 2021 (EDT)
New Award Type has been created. Populate away! Ahasuerus 18:49, 15 July 2021 (EDT)
Will do. Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:29, 16 July 2021 (EDT)
All entered up to the most recent awards given in June 2021. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:18, 2 August 2021 (EDT)
Thanks! Ahasuerus 15:47, 2 August 2021 (EDT)

Horror Shorts

When I discovered The Internet Archive a few years ago, 1 of the great things about it was all the horror fiction that can't be found on modern websites. I thought it would be cool to keep a running tally of Archive links I add to ISFDB records, so I'll start today with a great story I read a while back, https://web.archive.org/web/20190323143104/http://kentbrewster.com/flowsnakes/. It's from the sci-fi/horror zine Aberrations in 1995. Weird thing is that his website seemed to end in 2019 and then was taken over by a brewing company, because his last name is Brewster. That archived page seems to be the last working link to this story on the web. --Username 19:46, 8 July 2021 (EDT)

Unfortunately, it happens fairly often -- domain registration expires and then some other company picks it up. It makes our (and SFE3's) links to third party sites more ephemeral than we would like them to be :-( Ahasuerus 20:45, 8 July 2021 (EDT)
https://web.archive.org/web/20060614191255/http://www.joecliffordfaust.com/library/tools.html; I remember reading this story years ago, but trying to find the archived page was tough because Mr. Faust seemed to change the layout of his website over and over again; finally found it, and there's only 2 archived pages, so this is a rare one. --Username 20:53, 8 July 2021 (EDT)
https://web.archive.org/web/20070411162353/www.buried.com/features/ellies_boy.pdf; Buried.com used to be a major horror news site, and also included some horror fiction; there's still a page on Google with some fiction, http://www.buried.com/features/novels.shtml, but the archived page includes others that don't exist online anymore. Rio Youers became a major horror/fantasy writer, but Ellie's Boy was published nearly 10 years before any of his work on ISFDB, and apparently he gave Buried.com permission to reprint it as a PDF, which is good because finding much info for it nowadays is almost impossible, not even a cover image. --Username 23:36, 8 July 2021 (EDT)
https://web.archive.org/web/20040210222345/http://johnrosenman.hypermart.net/excerpts.htm; in addition to some excerpts, link includes 2 complete stories, "Eyes of the Leopard" and "The Blue of Her Hair, The Gold of Her Eyes", both Stoker Award contenders. "Eyes..." is from one of Lone Wolf's CD-only anthologies and wasn't entered here so I entered it. --Username 11:46, 9 July 2021 (EDT)
https://web.archive.org/web/20071211164058/http://www.steveharris.razorgang.com/escapefromdoughnutcity.htm; https://web.archive.org/web/20071211164123/http://www.steveharris.razorgang.com/lonelyhearts.htm; https://web.archive.org/web/20010421142515/http://www.imaginary-worlds.com/authors/harris-lh.html; https://web.archive.org/web/20010422074315/http://www.imaginary-worlds.com/authors/harris-rg.html; Harris wrote a bunch of fat horror novels in the 1990's, 1 of which was published by Tor in America, but he also wrote a few short stories. Imaginary Worlds published a few books, and their old website featured some fiction, including the 2 long stories linked above. "Lonely Hearts" was in 3 British publications but never made it to America (not sure if Harris updated it for his website so I included both links), and "Razor Girl" is possibly original since there's not a mention of it anywhere online; however, there's a link on ISFDB to Harris' old website, razorgang.com, and that phrase is mentioned a few times in the story, so who knows if there's a series of "Razor" stories out there somewhere on the web. Also, there's this on his site, https://web.archive.org/web/20021203053909/http://www.razorgang.com/books/Switch/freeswitch.html, which offers an unpublished novel for free; however, clicking the MS Reader version takes you to another page where you're supposed to right-click and download the book, but there's a scary "HUGE DOMAINS" in place of the cover and it's in .lit format, which probably won't even work on modern computers. If anyone wants to try it, there it is. --Username 14:59, 9 July 2021 (EDT)
https://web.archive.org/web/20010305075903/http://www.larrysantoro.com:80/god.html; https://web.archive.org/web/20011219150255/http://www.larrysantoro.com/hoor.html; Santoro's novel Just North of Nowhere is a fix-up novel which includes 3 old stories as chapters in somewhat different form, as Smashwords' copy says; those links are for 2 of the original stories. Sadly, ""What Do You Know of the Land of Death?" Said Clown One Night to the Haunted Boy" eluded me. --Username 13:59, 10 July 2021 (EDT)
https://web.archive.org/web/19970401014639/http://www.sff.net/people/Ben_Adams/moving.htp; more a sad mood piece than horror, but it's from Midnight Journeys, a 1995 small-press anthology with only a couple of copies available on Worldcat, so most people probably haven't read it. --Username 13:08, 11 July 2021 (EDT)
https://web.archive.org/web/20020324201715/http://www.users.bigpond.com/pilotage/mainstream.html; Chris Kenworthy published 3 small-press anthologies in the early-mid 1990's, "slipstream" being the buzzword back then, when they were actually pretentious twaddle masquerading as horror fiction. His first anthology, The Sun Rises Red, not only has an unbearable left-wing intro but he filled nearly half the contents with his own stories. 2 of the stories were picked for Best New Horror 4, but that was more of an attempt to balance out the real horror stories with "literary" horror. However, as usual, Nicholas Royle, despite being a fine writer with many mainstream works, never forgot how to write a good horror story, and "The Mainstream" doesn't seem to have been reprinted anywhere, so enjoy reading this creepy tale. The intro and the 2 reprinted stories are also on that site if you really must read them. --Username 19:14, 12 July 2021 (EDT)
https://web.archive.org/web/19990502075614/http://members.aol.com/Horrorman1/horrorman1.html; Mr. Lucier edited a popular online zine, Alternate Realities, many years ago, and in 2011 had an e-book, Night Walk, which collected 13 stories, most of which are on that link above (there's also a Night Walk 2, but most of the stories in that one eluded me, although I found a couple on Alternate Realities hiding in the giant mess the site exists as on archive.org; 1 story didn't even show until I highlighted the text on the page); not great stories or anything, but some are enjoyable (especially "The Curse of Thoueris", which Lucier reprinted under his preferred title "PENIS OF THE BABOON"), and most come from very obscure magazines or online zines, some of which are not on ISFDB; the only problem is 1 story in Night Walk isn't mentioned anywhere, but since I printed those stories a few years ago the Amazon page for Night Walk dropped its "Look Inside", and the cached Google page has it but it doesn't work. I think the story had "Pigs" in the title, so if anyone has Kindle Unlimited and can read it for free, could you check and see if that story has any mention of where it came from? https://www.amazon.com/Night-Walk-Thirteen-Tales-Unexpected-ebook/dp/B004JF4MYW --Username 00:08, 14 July 2021 (EDT)
Just added 3 story links from here, https://web.archive.org/web/20000129143919/http://www.dragonsoup.com/PeepTom/stuarthughes.html. Hughes was editor of the long-running erotic horror zine Peeping Tom, and his 1997 collection Ocean Eyes is very hard to find. 2 of the stories are from Ocean Eyes while "Are You Sure" wasn't in Ocean Eyes or reprinted as far as I can tell. I didn't add "Clock's Runnin', Mister" or "In His Own Way" since both are on Infinity Plus, which still exists online (and "...Way" is just a 100-word drabble anyway), while "Pay Back Time" is still on stuarthughes.webs.com. "Sweet Laura" is interesting, though, because the few mentions on Google include the fact that a massive anthology titled The Dark Heart of Peeping Tom was published by theExaggeratedPress in 2014 and Google Books has a copy with limited preview. "Sweet Laura" is in there although not part of the preview, and there are many other stories from the pages of Peeping Tom. This book is not on ISFDB, and although I didn't add a link for Hughes' collaboration with D.F. Lewis (because there are hundreds of Lewis stories floating around the web), Hughes and Lewis published a book of their collaborations in 2012, Busy Blood, also from theExaggeratedPress and also not on ISFDB. That publisher only has 4 books on ISFDB, so I'm guessing there's a lot more than these 2 books missing. --Username 09:03, 15 July 2021 (EDT)
https://web.archive.org/web/20111103005338/http://www.paulgtremblay.com/cyoexcerpt.htm; the excerpt is "The Jar" from Brainbox II, a scarce 2001 anthology that was 1 of those electronic/print publications so popular in the late 1990s/early 2000s. However, it was reprinted in Tremblay's 2004 collection Compositions for the Young and Old, which had an odd history, being reprinted a year later by the same publisher with new cover art, a new intro, and some adding/dropping of stories. Both editions are on Google Books (although the new edition isn't on ISFDB). Also weird is that paulgtremblay.com doesn't exist online anymore but Tremblay's TRIPOD site, pgtremblay.tripod.com, still does. Finally, the first story in both editions, "Perfect", which comes from another scarce anthology, 2003's Vivisections, can be read at Google Books in the previews, and is a chilling story about a boy who seeks attention after his mom has another baby and will do ANYTHING to get it. --Username 15:02, 16 July 2021 (EDT)
https://web.archive.org/web/20010716104416/http://www.sff.net/people/jrussell/babyjune.htm; https://web.archive.org/web/19970103002106/http://sff.net/people/jrussell/prolog.htm; 1st link is for one of Russell's Marty Burns stories, while the 2nd is the censored prologue from Russell's 1996 novel Blood. I also found info from Fantastic Fiction that his 2001 novel Brown Harvest was supposed to be published by St. Martin's but was dropped due to content after advice from lawyers; Russell started his career writing nasty splatter stories as "J.S. Russell" so it's not surprising. --Username 19:09, 16 July 2021 (EDT)
Found a mention in ISFDB Notes that a story by the late J.F. Gonzalez, Tattoos, was published on 1000delights.com, so I found and added that link, https://web.archive.org/web/20030605024658/http://www.1000delights.com/stories/tattoos.shtml. There's a story behind this, since 1000 Delights was an "adult" site (not sure if it was just nudes or X-rated stuff) that sent out requests for genre stories in the early 2000s without telling writers what kind of zine they were sending their work to. You can still find a few mentions online today where people complain about that situation. There's several dozen stories archived, although a few that are mentioned in online bibliographies aren't there; I get the feeling when they shut down the site in the mid-2000's they just dumped whatever they had without any quality control, since some of the biographies don't match up with the person who wrote the story. However, among the lame or outright terrible stories are many that were written by well-known or soon-to-be well-known authors. Some of those are just as bad as the unknown writers' stories, but there are some gems among them, some of them erotic horror and some just plain old horror, with a few SF and fantasy tales mixed in. If you visit the archived site, only click links from 2003-2005, because links from 2001-2002 are the old "adult" site and later links from 2010 onwards seem to have been bought up by an antivirus company. --Username 19:56, 16 July 2021 (EDT)
https://web.archive.org/web/20090813150000/http://thomastessier.blog.com/2006/02/; https://web.archive.org/web/20090814184201/http://thomastessier.blog.com/2008/12/01/something-small-and-gray-and-quick/#comments; Mr. Tessier's blog is still online but looks nothing like his old blog, and stories don't seem to be there anymore. Archived site is tough to search because most pages are titled by date so you have to go month by month, but I found those 2 stories above. The first was published on his site before its 2007 anthology appearance and was reprinted in his collection World of Hurt, but contents were never entered on ISFDB so that was a surprise, and the second appeared in a charity horror anthology not on ISFDB, https://patientcreature.livejournal.com/5111.html, and was reprinted in his collection Remorseless, but those contents were never entered either. So finding these stories will lead to 3 other books having their contents entered on ISFDB. UPDATE: turns out as I entered contents of Remorseless from Amazon Look Inside, several stories had their name changed for some reason, and one titled 10-31-2001 says it's from Tessier's blog. Turns out I didn't go all the way to the very end of his old blog and hiding in a post for Halloween 2010 was another story, https://web.archive.org/web/20110511085337/http://www.thomastessier.blog.com/. This one also had its name changed but Remorseless' copyright page didn't bother to mention that; the link for the individual post doesn't work so the story, The Saddest Halloween, is halfway down the page. Not prime Tessier, but there's no trace of it online, so enjoy. --Username 14:18, 17 July 2021 (EDT)
https://web.archive.org/web/20121130060700/http://www.m-s-tem.com/mfic3a.htm; the late Melanie Tem had 2 shorts on her website with her husband, Steve Rasnic Tem; stevetem.com still exists, but the Free Fiction page dropped her story written for the old site, "The Dancing Doll". Earliest archived page is December 1999, so it's old. ISFDB has it reprinted in a 2004 Spanish anthology, Paura, which oddly has Spanish language writers except for Tem and a 1992 story by Michael Arnzen; searching online reveals it was also published in In Delirium II, a horror anthology from Delirium Books which is not on ISFDB (nor is the first volume). So there's another 2 books to be entered. UPDATE: Mr. Tem changes his free story around Christmas, and last year's, "Smoke in a Bottle", is in a few books on ISFDB, none of them easy to find, so here's a link, https://web.archive.org/web/20201220064606/http://stevetem.com/free-fiction/. --Username 13:20, 18 July 2021 (EDT)
I added Jay Woelfel's website to his record; he's known for his horror movies, but published a few stories years ago. This section, https://www.jaywoelfel.com/index.php/writings/, contains 2, the first a children's SF story from a non-genre magazine, but the second, Self-Made Man, is a gross "body horror" tale. What's interesting is it says it's from Greg Gifune's old zine The Edge but the story is not on ISFDB. Turns out of the 20 issues only 14 were entered here, which is usually a sign that philsp.com didn't have the info, but in this case they have info for all issues. I entered rest of contents for #6 and fixed some info for #6 and #7, but some of the higher issues need info fixed and of course those missing issues should be entered. --Username 20:34, 19 July 2021 (EDT)
Here's an odd case: Greg Gifune published a short story collection in 2001, Heretics, from Delirium Books. Their books were usually limited editions and very hard to find, and this one only had 250 copies. The long title story was published as an e-book years later so that's no problem, but the other stories are scattered in ancient websites. I found one on the old Delirium Books website, where they excerpted 1 free story from some of their books, but unlike the other stories, Gifune's "The Uncertainty of Darkness" wasn't coded properly and is a wonderful mess. However, I believe the full story is on the page, https://web.archive.org/web/20020128223130/http://www.deliriumbooks.com:80/stories/uncertainty.htm, but it takes a bit of work to read it. At the bottom of the page is the beginning of the story, from "Dull blue neon..." to "He knew what lay beyond it,". For the rest of the story, you have to go to the top of the page and highlight the text, revealing the rest from "and wondered if the faces there would be the same." to "But deep down, somewhere just beyond the pale of clarity�he could not be certain." No sense adding this broken page to ISFDB, but I thought I'd share it here. Of course, if anyone knows another site with this story, feel free to share. UPDATE: Well what do you know. I remembered reading a discussion on some old site about how Delirium had to move to their own server because their earlier one objected to some of their content. Searched it, found link to Gifune's story, and it appeared in all its properly coded glory here: https://web.archive.org/web/20010510082727/http://members.kconline.com/deliriumbooks/stories/uncertainty.htm. UPDATE: https://web.archive.org/web/20050530232901/http://deliriumbooks.com:80/stories/down_to_sleep.pdf; a story from Gifune's first collection Down to Sleep, "The Raincatchers". The reason why it's on Delirium's website is because they released a very limited edition hardcover in 2004 with 3 extra stories, new intro, and new cover art, but that edition isn't on ISFDB. Also, while doing some edits for Gifune books, I found, on the much-missed DarkFuse site, a PDF (the only 1 on the entire site) for Gifune's "Restoration". There's a story by that name in his collection Heretics, so I assume this is the same; here's a link: https://web.archive.org/web/20121119031515/http://www.darkfuse.com:80/Restoration.pdf. Only the first 44 pages are the story itself, while the rest is mostly a long excerpt from 1 of Gifune's novels, The Bleeding Season. --Username 20:27, 20 July 2021 (EDT)
https://web.archive.org/web/20020212005831/http://www.deliriumbooks.com/stories/dancing.htm; Barbara Malenky wrote a bunch of horror stories in the 1990s and 2000s, but Human Oddities, a chapbook from Delirium, was apparently her only publication. If their hardcovers are rare I can only imagine this is almost impossible to find, so at least now 1 story can be read. The real reason I mentioned her, though, is because I found a cover for her chapbook, the only cover image online as far as I can tell, http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:HMNDDTSXVV2000.jpg. It reminds me of The Manster, a 1959 American/Japanese horror movie where a man grows another head ON HIS SHOULDER; https://monsterreviewsmovie.files.wordpress.com/2019/07/manster.jpg?w=720. --Username 00:07, 21 July 2021 (EDT)
https://web.archive.org/web/20111006191711/http://www.keithminnion.com/storage/its_for_you.pdf; Keith Minnion is an artist who also published some SF and horror stories; his 2011 collection It's For You is still on his archived homepage, which doesn't exist online anymore. It was PV here by "Kminnion", so he added his own book in early 2018, was asked by moderator to provide cover image, and then never responded. I see in Edit History that I added the cover months ago, so now it's complete. Oddly, when I exported contents from the 2019 reprint, 1 story was missing, "Room to Let", even though it's there in Amazon Look Inside, so I added it to both. --Username 15:06, 21 July 2021 (EDT)
Added several links from here, https://web.archive.org/web/20030410191207/http://www.dusksite.ukgo.com:80/fiction.php. Many I didn't add because they're still online or in collections, but many are nowhere to be found. Also, some are original to the site, with a much earlier publication date than their ISFDB records. Site is a mess, however, because there are some stories that have a 2001 archived page when the site first started while others don't, searching the summary on Archive.org reveals a few exist as PDF's, some links lead to Freeola pages (apparently the site's web host), etc. --Username 12:50, 22 July 2021 (EDT)
https://web.archive.org/web/20010725051115/http://blackfuneral.tripod.com:80/issues/apr01/harder_bevvincent.html; Mr. Vincent's website has a full list of his fiction but his early story "Harder" only has an entry for the British mag Peep Show. Remembering that I printed the story off the web a few years ago, I knew something was missing, so I went to the archives, and for some reason his current bibliography dropped the story's original appearance on a very lo-fi website called Dark Funeral. Also, his well-known story "Harming Obsession" has a 2002 date on ISFDB but originally appeared in 2000 in a long-running but now dead online zine, The Harrow; since Google search for theharrow.com includes words like Cialis and Viagra, I instead added a link to its Storytellers Unplugged reprint, https://web.archive.org/web/20071031010423/http://www.storytellersunplugged.com/2007/10/17/harming-obsession/, where he cleaned it up a bit and improved it. UPDATE: I tweeted Mr. Vincent to inform him I added the link for "Harder" to ISFDB and he responded almost immediately to thank me and tell me he added it back to the fiction credits on his website. Cool, although he said it's not one of his favorite stories because it's nasty, which is certainly true. --Username 23:51, 23 July 2021 (EDT)
https://web.archive.org/web/20021006015728/http://www.johndharvey.com:80/frames/main/m_fiction.htm; Mr. Harvey had a novel published by Arkham House in their waning days, but also wrote a few stories. Hornsby is mistitled as Hornby on ISFDB, the Mindmares cover is not found online, and the poem is by John Harvey on ISFDB, a different person entirely. So title fixed, cover added, and name changed. Finding these archived fictions inadvertently helps to fix a lot of other stuff here. There's 3 archived fiction pages, with each one giving a different date for the forthcoming release of his novel, the last being September, and ISFDB says it was published in October. Also, be quick clicking the links, because after a little while the page goes to a 404 page for a "John D. Harvey, Blacksmith". --Username 11:53, 24 July 2021 (EDT)
Not really horror, but the very rare 1920 book by Laurence Housman, Gods and Their Makers and Other Stories, had the title story published earlier as a separate novel, and there's a link to it on archive.org, while "The Blind God" was reprinted in 2 anthologies, 1 of them recent and easy to find. However, the other stories were not found until I discovered that the great blog, A Shiver in the Archives, reprinted "Let Us Make Gods" earlier this year, while "Little Saint Oogh", which had a 1920 date on ISFDB, is actually from 1908, and was hiding on Google Books in an obscure magazine. So the book is now readable with the exception of "The Miracle-Worker", which shows no trace anywhere online (except ISFDB). So if anyone can find any site with that story, the entire book will be completely readable. --Username 19:49, 4 August 2021 (EDT)
https://www.salon.com/2000/10/31/embraces/; added page # to Vermifuge, a 2001 collection by Lorelei Shannon, then went to her archived site. Added "Kingdom Come, Kingdom Go", an ELVIS HORROR STORY, but also saw a mention that another story, "Virgin Spring", ran into trouble for content after it appeared in Salon magazine. The link to Salon's site takes you to 1 of those awful deals you saw a lot of in the old days of the internet, where they'd break a story up into separate pages to increase the traffic. All 3 pages worked, which is a miracle in itself, but the art at the top was broken. Checking the modern web, I was shocked to see that not only is Salon's site still around, but "Virgin Spring" is alive and well, with all of it on 1 page and the art on full display. So read it and find out why it was so controversial. --Username 23:40, 4 August 2021 (EDT)
Redsine Magazine published many print issues but switched for a while in the early 2000's to online issues; their archived site is a huge mess, but I've been adding links on ISFDB to stories I've found. However, there's a Brian Stableford story, "And Justify The Ways Of God To Men", which was never reprinted according to his online bibliography at philsp.com, which is a shock because the dude published a ton of collections. So here's a link since the story's not on ISFDB; https://web.archive.org/web/20010907031430/http://www.redsine.com/archives/four/fa-4.html. --Username 14:06, 6 August 2021 (EDT)
https://web.archive.org/web/20130810140849/http://www.swanriverpress.ie/reader/srpr.pdf; Swan River publishes very limited edition books, so this PDF sampler is very welcome. The Parker story was reprinted in Best New Horror, but the other stories are not easy to find, and some of them are on ISFDB in books not published by Swan River, so there seem to be some missing books here from them. --Username 13:43, 7 August 2021 (EDT)
Tim Pratt's Flytrap 'zine published 10 issues through 2008, then Kickstarted a final issue many years later. No link on ISFDB, but I found it, https://web.archive.org/web/20160404111134/http://www.tropismpress.com/?m=201403. All stories are readable. --Username 15:32, 7 August 2021 (EDT)
https://web.archive.org/web/20040627142451/http://www.sjoanpopek.com/freebook/purity.pdf; Douglas Clegg published a short novel, Purity, in 2000 as a Cemetery Dance Novella. He offered it for free later, but modern web only mentions it on scary spyware sites. Only legit site I can find is Issuu.com, but they don't allow you to download it. That linked PDF lets you download it. --Username 10:37, 9 August 2021 (EDT)
Norman Partridge published a chapbook, Red Right Hand, in 1998 from Subterranean and it was quickly reprinted in the anthology Subterranean Gallery, followed a couple of years later by Partridge's collection The Man With the Barbed-Wire Fists. 20 years later, and it doesn't seem to have been reprinted again, but I found it as a free fiction here, https://web.archive.org/web/20100801025842/http://www.normanpartridge.com:80/fiction14.htm. Partridge's intro for the expanded Subterranean edition of his first collection Mr. Fox is also available, https://web.archive.org/web/20111002011035/http://normanpartridge.com/nonfiction2.htm. --Username 11:28, 16 August 2021 (EDT)
Ronald Kelly offered lots of free stories on his site ronaldkelly.com which can only be found on the archived version, so I've been adding them to ISFDB. Most are old reprints (some of them quite good-"Consumption" is really gross!), but as time went on he started offering more recent stories and also new ones. One story, "Delayed Reaction", seems not to have been published, being written as 1 of a series of personalized stories Kelly did for customers of Cemetery Dance. There seems to be almost no info online about it except for this, https://forum.cemeterydance.com/forum/authors-sections/ronald-kelly/page5, but it's too good to let go to waste, especially as it concerns the events of 9/11, which in a creepy coincidence happens to be the 20th anniversary of today, so here it is: https://web.archive.org/web/20111001024010/http://www.ronaldkelly.com:80/sample.html. --Username 15:51, 11 September 2021 (EDT)
Another ELVIS HORROR STORY; https://web.archive.org/web/20010423160741/http://www.twilighttales.com:80/King.html. Thank you, thank you very much. --Username 14:07, 24 September 2021 (EDT)

Sébastien Doubinsky Canonical name

The name Seb Doubinsky had been used almost exclusively since 2013 and the numbers had flipped at some point. Unless someone disagrees or we have a good reason to keep the canonical name as is (which I am missing), I will be switching the canonical name this weekend. Annie 20:26, 12 July 2021 (EDT)

New Amazon service - Kindle Vella

As many of you know, the number of Web sites which let authors serialize their works online has been steadily climbing. Certain sites are limited to fan fiction while others host a mix of fan fiction and original content, but they all tend to be heavily SFnal. Some of the more popular English language sites include:

  • Fanfiction.net
  • Archive of Our Own
  • Space Battles
  • Sufficient Velocity
  • Royal Road
  • Webnovel.com
  • Lots of sites dedicated to translating East Asian serials

Some are 100% free, some require login, some require payment to access premium content, etc. Authors who post their stories for free often set up Patreon or comparable accounts.

Amazon is the latest entrant into this growing field. Their service is called "Kindle Vella" and you can find the official Help pages here. It's currently limited to US-base customers, but the emphasis appears to be on "currently".

I don't think this needs to have an immediate impact on our Inclusion Policy, but it's something to keep an eye on going forward. Ahasuerus 12:23, 14 July 2021 (EDT)

How should we enter them? They are SERIALs, but without a clear container (like a MAGAZINE or similar). What should we put as the container for them since SERIALs shouldn't be entered separately. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 11:57, 15 July 2021 (EDT)
Actually - we have a type for it - Chapbooks - that's exactly why we extended the type to allow Serials a few months (years?) ago. Annie 12:22, 15 July 2021 (EDT)
Yup -- "The SERIAL title type is to be used when a work is serialized across multiple chapbooks (2018-11-29). Ahasuerus 13:14, 15 July 2021 (EDT)
I guess that fell out of my brain. Thanks! (^_^) ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:30, 15 July 2021 (EDT)

New Web page: Publications for Author X Published by Publisher Y

A new Web page, Publications for Author X Published by Publisher Y, has been added. For example, here is Publications for Author Lilith Saintcrow Published by Orbit (US). The page can be accessed from the recently implemented "Authors for Publisher Y" page, e.g. this one.

Please let me know if the way the stats and the pubs are sorted on the new page makes sense. Ahasuerus 22:35, 14 July 2021 (EDT)

That's kinda cool. :) ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:35, 15 July 2021 (EDT)
Hopefully, the new Web pages will help editors and moderators determine what kind of publisher/author they are dealing with -- self-publisher, indie publisher, "group publisher", etc. Ahasuerus 17:23, 16 July 2021 (EDT)

Language addition automated

In the past, adding a new language required developer intervention. We now have a new menu option which lets an ISFDB Bureaucrat create and approve a regular submission to add new language.

To the best of my knowledge, this is the last type of regular database activity that required developer intervention. From now on, even if a developer is not available, ISFDB moderators and bureaucrats should be able to perform needed activities.

I have also created a new Help page, Help:Screen:BureaucratMenu, which lists the menu options currently restricted to ISFDB Bureaucrats. Please let me know if you have any questions. Ahasuerus 17:20, 16 July 2021 (EDT)

Sax Rohmer Mystery

Rohmer's The Dream Detective has a Doubleday edition on ISFDB and Bat Wing has a Doubleday and a McKinlay, Stone & Mackenzie, but archive.org has readable copies of both and they say McKinlay... on title page but are copyrighted to Doubleday. Bat Wing's McKinlay... record on ISFDB says, "Tuck does not note this edition", and that's probably because there is no separate edition, McKinlay being the same as Doubleday. Rohmer's bibliography is almost as complex as Edgar Wallace's, so I don't know if this info is known or not, but I see online that many other Rohmer books have McKinlay as the publisher, but ISFDB only has Bat Wing, so some confusion there is. --Username 10:58, 18 July 2021 (EDT)

Lola

Here's something surprising; http://ashiverinthearchives.blogspot.com/2019/03/early-caitlin-r-kiernan.html. Turns out very well-known horror/fantasy author Caitlin R. Kiernan was born a male. I figured this info would be common knowledge on the web, but searching on Google for Kiernan and "Kenneth Robert Wright" together brought up only that link and https://www.riamco.org/render?eadid=US-RPB-ms.2017.008&view=biography, the latter including a reference to an article, in the Inventory section, titled "Transsexual hopes publicity will win him election". I don't know if this will require any changes to Kiernan's info on ISFDB. --Username 18:09, 18 July 2021 (EDT)

It seems to be reasonably well known; Wikipedia says:
  • In their twenties, Kiernan identified as transgender and transitioned to female, further identifying as lesbian. In 2020 Kiernan stated, "I no longer consider myself transgender (or transsexual). I would say that I'm gender fluid, if I had to say anything," explaining that this was not a recognized option in the 1980s.
We don't have any biographical data for this author, so I don't think it affects our records.
At one point we discussed possibly adding a "Sex" or "Gender" field to author records, but we were not able to reach consensus, so nothing ever got implemented. Ahasuerus 16:37, 20 July 2021 (EDT)

Wiki crash - 2021-07-20

The ISFDB Wiki crashed and became inaccessible earlier this afternoon. It should be back to normal now -- please let me know if you come across anything unusual. Ahasuerus 16:31, 20 July 2021 (EDT)

I posted a new Help Desk item titled "Blaze Ward - The Last Ranger" around 12:20 PM EDT that is now missing. Do I need to recreate it? Phil 16:49, 20 July 2021 (EDT)
And my question about the Solaris US publisher is missing as well. --GlennMcG 16:51, 20 July 2021 (EDT)
When the ISFDB Wiki database -- which stores all Wiki pages and is separate from the main ISFDB database -- crashed, it apparently caused database degradation. Some Wiki pages like the Community Portal and the Help Desk got mixed together. I am currently looking into it to see whether the problems can be fixed on the fly or whether we need to restore the backups from 9:30am this morning. Ahasuerus 17:24, 20 July 2021 (EDT)
I will be taking the Wiki and the main database down for maintenance at 5:45pm EDT. Hopefully it will resolve this and related issues caused by the database crash. Ahasuerus 17:37, 20 July 2021 (EDT)

(unindent) I have fixed the immediate database problems caused by the crash and we should be back up. However, it's possible that the crash also caused other, harder to detect, problems, so we are not completely out of the woods yet. Please let me know if you see anything unusual. Ahasuerus 18:27, 20 July 2021 (EDT)

Maybe it's time again to look into updating the wiki. Maybe we can do it on a test server using a recent backup to work out any kinks? I'm happy to help with that. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:39, 20 July 2021 (EDT)
I am afraid the whole ISP-owned server crashed, not just the Wiki software, so a Wiki upgrade wouldn't have helped in this case. Ahasuerus 12:04, 21 July 2021 (EDT)
Still, it looks like the upgrade is fairly straightforward given the version we are on. I'd have to look at the directory containing the wiki software to know for sure, but as long as we are above version 1.5 (we are version 1.12rc1), then it's a very simple process. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:08, 21 July 2021 (EDT)
I am certainly all for upgrading the Wiki. Unfortunately, I am not familiar with the technologies involved (PHP), so I was happy to leave it to Al when he volunteered to work on it some months ago. The only change since then has been that another developer, Klaus Elsbernd, was able to install and upgrad the Wiki software on another server -- see SR 184 for his account of the changes that he had to make. Ahasuerus 19:21, 21 July 2021 (EDT)

New server crash/reboot - 2021-07-21

It looks like the server crashed or was rebooted around midnight. After that the nightly reports didn't run at 1am and the backups (9:30am) look corrupt. This is not good.

I will be disabling all connectivity to the server and checking for database discrepancies starting at 12:20pm. Ahasuerus 12:10, 21 July 2021 (EDT)

I have checked database integrity, rerun the nightly reports and the backups. So far things look reasonably good; everything should be back up. I will be running the rest of the database checks on the development server.
If you come across any issues, please let me know. Ahasuerus 13:12, 21 July 2021 (EDT)
Hello Ahasuerus. If you didn't already know if you go to a User page and click the Dioscussion tab it takes you to ISFDB Discussion Pages and Noticeboards except it has User talk: "User" as the title. Which means no one can notify PVs of any changes. I did some edits prior to the crash but assume those have now been lost in the void. --Mavmaramis 13:45, 21 July 2021 (EDT)
Could you please specify which User pages have this problem? I have tried User:Mavmaramis and User:Ahasuerus and everything appears to be OK, so the problem is likely limited to a subset of User pages. Ahasuerus 14:06, 21 July 2021 (EDT)
Dirk P Broer gives me the ISFDB Discussion Page and Noticeboards; Wjmvanruth gives me Cover Image Data for the 1987 Oebit edition of Major Operation. I wrote on both their talk pages prior to the crash. Cover art image for Incident on Ath is broken as well. --Mavmaramis 00:47, 22 July 2021 (EDT)
Wjmvanruth and Dirk - just adding the links and confirming that they indeed point somewhere where they should not. Ahasuerus is probably off for the night. Annie 01:05, 22 July 2021 (EDT)
Thanks for the update! It looks like the Wiki "cache" table was corrupted during the crash and needs to be rebuilt. Ahasuerus 11:41, 22 July 2021 (EDT)
Rebuilding the table which I suspected was responsible for this problem (TRUNCATE mw_objectcache) didn't help. Investigating... Ahasuerus 12:12, 22 July 2021 (EDT)
I had to restore the two affected Wiki pages from their pre-crash versions. Unfortunately, User:Mavmaramis's 2021-07-20 comments about "Incident on Ath" could not be restored. Sorry about that!
I will keep looking for any other issues that may have been introduced during/after the first or second server crash. Ahasuerus 12:25, 22 July 2021 (EDT)

(unindent) I hope I'm not the first to publicly express my thanks to all those poor souls who probably have a lot less hair now as a result of "The Incident" and for their efforts to restore it all to some vague semblance of working order. That still leaves the broken cover art for Incident on Ath it won't let me re-upload it. --Mavmaramis 12:51, 22 July 2021 (EDT)

Does the problem occur when you click the "Upload new cover scan" link on that publication's page? Could you please describe the exact sequence of events that happen when you do it? Ahasuerus 13:18, 22 July 2021 (EDT)
No it occurs after that. I click "Upload new cover sscan" it goes to the upload page, I select the file, it uploads then I click "Save file" then it merely gives me a data panel for an image uploaded by User:Dirk P Broer. If I click on either of the links on the page displayed it gives me the following error mesaage "This image http: //www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/9/95/NCDNTNTHVT1981.jpg cannot be displayed, because it contains errors" the other images I've uploaded have all done so without issue. --Mavmaramis 14:11, 22 July 2021 (EDT)
Thanks for the clarification! I am not sure I can fix this issue easily. Let's try the following workaround instead.
When you click "Upload new cover scan", the URL of the "Upload file" page starts with "www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Upload?wpDestFile=NCDNTNTHVT1981.jpg&wpUploadDescription=", right? Could you change "wpDestFile=NCDNTNTHVT1981" to "wpDestFile=NCDNTNTHVT2081" [note 20821] manually, hit Enter and see if you can use the resulting Upload page? If it works, then we should be in good shape. If not, well, it shouldn't take more than a minute or two of your time to try. Ahasuerus 14:29, 22 July 2021 (EDT)
Right well I did as you suggested. I selected the JPG file and clicked "Upload file" then it simply goes to the Cover Image data page for the one uploaded by Dirk (again !). So no luck doing it that way. --Mavmaramis 15:49, 22 July 2021 (EDT)
When you're on the image wiki page, try clicking on the image to view just the image, then refresh your browser to see if it will load the correct image. If it does, then go back to the image wiki page and refresh there to get the correct image to appear. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:18, 22 July 2021 (EDT)

Server Maintenance - 2021-07-22

I will be taking the server down for maintenance at 12 noon. It should only take a few minutes. Ahasuerus 11:41, 22 July 2021 (EDT)

The server is back up, but the problems reported immediately above are still present. Investigating... Ahasuerus 12:10, 22 July 2021 (EDT)


The Collector, by John Fowles

What does "Kept because of touchy PV" mean, for The Collector? I'm just curious. I know that PV stands for primary verifier.--Rosab618 02:46, 23 July 2021 (EDT)

The book is out of scope and should not be in the db but we are keeping the record to keep the peace. Apparently some time after the note was added, we actually deleted the book but no one fixed the note. These two reviews need to be converted to essays and this record deleted. I will do that in the morning - too many operations to do it from the phone now. Thanks for finding it. Annie 03:47, 23 July 2021 (EDT)
I'm sorry I did. I think it should stay.--Rosab618 13:11, 23 July 2021 (EDT)
But it is a non-genre novel from an author who is not above threshold. :( I wish we were adding those as well (it will cut on the confusion with the non-speculative horror) but as the rules stand, it is not eligible. Is there anything speculative at all? If we can reclassify as genre, it stays :) Or is there a case to be made that it must stay because of the author?
And it would have been noticed sooner or later - we have been cleaning these slowly so someone would have seen it sooner or later... Annie 13:54, 23 July 2021 (EDT)
The Collector is a non-speculative thriller, so it doesn't belong in the database as long as the author is below the "threshold". BTW, we are missing Mantissa (1982), a somewhat surrealistic fantasy. I suggest we add it and add a note about its borderline nature. Ahasuerus 14:56, 23 July 2021 (EDT)

Play and Coast

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1228376; note about 3 unidentified plays, but someone added (play) to the end of 2 of them. I added (play) to the end of the 3rd one, but was rejected. Either all should say it or none; also, searching Title for (play) here revealed 74 matches, so if it's not necessary then a lot of other records should have it removed, too. Secondly, I discovered 1 of William Hope Hodgson's poems had a slightly incorrect title, Down the Long Coast missing an s at the end, but that was rejected because some other editor left a note saying they got most of the poem's titles from an online checklist. Fantlab has a 1977 Ferret Fantasy book, Poems of the Sea, which reprinted the original book Calling of the Sea, and it says "Coasts". Searching for the plural title online gets a lot more matches than the singular, so the plural is almost certainly correct, but the only way to know for sure is to look at contents page of the 1920 original. Someone here must have a copy, right? --Username 09:38, 23 July 2021 (EDT)

Vera Searles

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?43251; A few years ago I read a whole bunch of Searles' stories, which are scattered all over the web, sometimes in very obscure places, some non-genre. Recently I came across a 2002 collection by her, Tales of Dark and Light Fiction with Other Colors, not on ISFDB, nor is the publisher, Lakewood Press. Seems to be very rare, since only pages are 1 on Amazon and an eBay auction, which is where I got contents from and entered them here. However, there are some problems. Amazon gives the publisher as Morris while photo of title page on eBay clearly says Lakewood; also, while many of the stories are on ISFDB and could be imported (although 1 had a 2006 date which needed changing), many are not. That would imply they're new, but I recognize several titles from my reading years ago. Only way to know for sure is finding a copy and seeing if there's any publication history, so does anyone here own a copy? It would also help add a few page numbers since photo of contents page on eBay chopped off some at the bottom of the page; https://www.ebay.com/itm/302908715672. --Username 10:43, 23 July 2021 (EDT)

Two "Mark Harrisons"

According to his online autobiography, the artist Mark Harrison "stopped taking on illustration commissions to paint personal work for sale in UK galleries" in 2003. However, we have quite a few post-2003 covers attributed to him. It turns out that the well known comic artist Mark Harrison (1963), who is best known for his Star Wars and 2000AD comics, has been branching out and doing some cover art for related books like the Durham Red series of fiction novels set in the 2000AD universe.

It would appear that all Abaddon Books covers currently attributed to Mark Harrison were actually done by Mark Harrison (1963-) as claimed by the Star Wars Wiki. The fact that both 2000AD and Abaddon Books are owned by the same multimedia company, Rebellion, supports this claim.

Any objections to moving the Abaddon Books to Mark Harrison (1963-)? Ahasuerus 11:56, 23 July 2021 (EDT)

Chetwynd-Hayes and Love

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2628; Amazon has a page with 1990 info, but cover is clearly much older, with a $2.25 price. There's another Amazon page for this book with a 1979 date, otherwise completely empty. So I added 1979 edition and all info possible; does anyone have a copy of any edition to verify 1979 date or provide a cover for 1990 edition? --Username 12:22, 23 July 2021 (EDT)

I have approved the submission and added the page count from OCLC. Their data comes from the Eaton Collection of Science Fiction and Fantasy, which has the same page count. Ahasuerus 12:32, 23 July 2021 (EDT)

Mortality

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?264234; when adding links to a few of Nicholas Royle's stories from the old Dusk site mentioned above, I realized his first collection has a lot of "original" stories on ISFDB that are actually reprints, some very old. No copies on archive.org and Google Books only has snippets, so if anyone has a copy of Mortality it would help to fix dates for those stories which need fixing. --Username 19:46, 23 July 2021 (EDT)

Everyman

I did a lot of editing for Stephanie Dowrick's anthology Great Tales of the Supernatural using info from here, https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/stephanie-dowrick-great-tales-of-the-supernatural-dent-1978-paperbacks, but afterwards it had a yellow warning because I added Everyman's Library (UK) as a publisher series. This page, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?129, shows that there's all kinds of variations, with the series I added being listed as publisher for a few, which doesn't seem right to me. Dowrick's book says it's a shorter version of her previous anthology, but has a British price even though it says U.S.A. on the copyright page. Dent, Dent/Dutton, Everyman's Library (sometimes UK, sometimes not), other publishers entirely, etc. So wherever anyone thinks the info I added to pub. series field should be moved is fine, but more importantly, Dent and their imprints are all kinds of tangled and confused, so this might be something that needs a lot of work after someone decides what the standard should be for their books. --Username 21:08, 24 July 2021 (EDT)

Heinlein Mystery

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55749; there was an odd history for this book, explained in the note for the unpublished record here, and I noticed the published record had no page numbers. Instead of the usual places, Open Library had a rare listing of all contents with page numbers. All out of order and lots of stories, so it took a while. When I finally finished , the co-written Heinlein story had no number. Searching inside Google Books' copy didn't show any evidence of that story, either. Edit History shows no one's touched this record since Jan. 2009, and that editor is no longer active, so I don't know what to say about this, except having 1 story with no # is annoying, so maybe someone has a copy and can verify whether story's in there and add the # or if it's not and should be deleted. --Username 18:12, 26 July 2021 (EDT)

Open Library probably took the page numbers from Bill Contento's index of pre-1984 anthologies (which has apparently changed URLs yet again.) This blog has a capture of Contento's data. It confirms the page numbers and the absence of this version of "Beyond Doubt". I have approved your submission and removed the fluke title. Thanks! Ahasuerus 18:54, 26 July 2021 (EDT)

Ship or Skull?

[13]; [14]; I did a little editing for Death in the Mind, a 1945 mystery/sci-fi novel, and there's only a photo of the actual cover here, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?560562; I was going to upload the jacket, but I don't know which of those 2 covers linked above is the right one. Anyone know? --Username 12:56, 27 July 2021 (EDT)

Bones II

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?47642; had my edit rejected that changed format and cover artist; the price is obviously for an e-book, not a TP, and the "Look Inside" seems to say Mike Jansen did the cover art. Amazon e-book page has same ISBN as Amazon TP page, so someone got confused, and link above shows $2.99 is the price for other e-books by the publisher. If anyone thinks anything needs changing... --Username 14:20, 27 July 2021 (EDT)

Look Inside is a little confusing. It states "Cover art and design by Mike Jansen", but also "Art by Niall Parkinson" on the next line. Also, Amazon lists the price as $9.49 for the TP. Since it looks like the PV for the TP is very inactive (no talk page activity since 2014), and they never responded to the inquiry made back in 2014 about this very issue, I'd lean toward making the corrections. Anyone object? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:30, 27 July 2021 (EDT)
How do we know that the format is the error as opposed to the price? I wouldn't change the format which would effectively delete the paperback edition. Better to clone to create the eBook (which is what I suggested in the rejection message). --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 16:21, 27 July 2021 (EDT)
There's nowhere I can find that has the TP for that price. Ebooks generally don't have page counts, either. Everything that's entered is clearly for the TP. I agree about cloning to create the ebook. Makes things easier, anyway. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:37, 27 July 2021 (EDT)

Signet's Paper Dolls

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20761; I added edition from copy on archive.org, cover is exactly the same as non-active PV's copy here, except for a "-451" after Signet on their cover. Archive copy is 2nd printing, copy entered on ISFDB is 4th. I don't know if it's important, but I thought I'd mention it. --Username 17:18, 27 July 2021 (EDT)

Shane Leslie (Non)Fiction

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249379; he wrote "true" ghost collections (and some fiction, too), and Ghost Book is non-fiction on ISFDB, but several pieces were reprinted in fiction anthologies and marked as fiction here. 1 was already in contents, I imported another 1 because it was reprinted in 1961 but had a 1956 date like the collection, but there's another, The Diplomatist's Story, which has a note saying it comes from the original 1955 British edition but a copy of the 1956 American edition on eBay, https://www.ebay.com/itm/SHANE-LESLIES-GHOST-BOOK-1956-Sheed-Ward-NY-First-American-Edition-HC-DJ-/401735829151, shows all contents and that story doesn't appear. So does anyone know if titles were dropped/changed between editions, and should the story in ISFDB's contents and the 1 I imported be changed to non-fiction since that's what the book is? --Username 17:23, 27 July 2021 (EDT)

Chariot

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?3347; I think there are 3 different publishers under this banner here; 1960-1961 books are a cheapo PB house, 1978-1979 books are reprints of George MacDonald works, and 1983-1987 books are by a Christian publisher (Amazon page says Christian Adventure Series for the 1987 book). --Username 18:23, 27 July 2021 (EDT)

Hutchinson's New...

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=new+author&type=Publication+Series; all the same series, I think, but entered differently here. Anyone think they should be changed to the same for all books or not? --Username 17:31, 29 July 2021 (EDT)

Dracula Review

I think this review, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1739936, is for this not-on-ISFDB title, https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/collections/newest-shopify-test/products/christopher-lee-the-illustrated-dracula-manor-books-1975-paperbacks, not the book linked. --Username 22:30, 29 July 2021 (EDT)

Link Review changes

Post-submission/submission review pages for Link Review submissions have been changed. They now display the language of the review as well as the language of the reviewed title. Hopefully, this enhancement will make it easier to identify incorrectly linked reviews of translations. Ahasuerus 11:59, 30 July 2021 (EDT)

Nightmare

https://archive.org/details/nightmarenovel00dorn; only the 1988 PB is on ISFDB, with a "possible non-genre" tag. Reading the flaps of the original HC, it seems like a "molester chased down by angry mom" thriller, and probably isn't ISFDB-worthy. --Username 12:13, 30 July 2021 (EDT)

Reading the description, I agree. It's also the only thing by Dorner in the db here, so it doesn't qualify that way. It's been removed. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:41, 30 July 2021 (EDT)

Make Variant changes

The "Make Variant" Web page has been modified. When turning a title into a variant of a new (non-existent) record, you can now create a Title Note. Whatever you enter will appear in the new parent title's Note field. Ahasuerus 15:19, 30 July 2021 (EDT)

Awesome! Annie 15:20, 30 July 2021 (EDT)
Thank you! -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:43, 30 July 2021 (EDT)
Hopefully it will help reduce the need for follow-up submissions :-) Ahasuerus 18:15, 30 July 2021 (EDT)

Les Edwards' Bats

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36812; fixed format and added month from gamebooks.org, and original 1984 edition's cover art predates the variant art from the German book it's linked to on ISFDB. --Username 11:26, 31 July 2021 (EDT)

Added the 1984 edition, and fixed the varianting. MagicUnk 12:18, 3 August 2021 (EDT)

Herzog

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308687; can't find the story "The Last Dinner" in Google Books copy. Anyone own a copy who can check if that story is in the book? Worldcat mentions it, but they're not always reliable. --Username 09:50, 2 August 2021 (EDT)

Spanish Series

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?9773; the Miedaner book's English editions aren't on ISFDB, so I entered the original Coward-Mccann 1977 edition, but there are few photos online besides the cover, and the 1 photo on ebay with a photo of the back flap is blurry; the jacket art is by Vincent T-something. If anyone has a copy, the cover artist's name would be appreciated since it doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere online. Also, the De Felitta book's English editions aren't on ISFDB, either, but from the descriptions online I don't think it's ISFDB-worthy. It's about a Holocaust survivor who escapes from a mental hospital and chops up people with a cleaver. Also, another editor just uploaded 2 cover images to this series for the 2 books I mentioned, so synchronicity. --Username 11:18, 2 August 2021 (EDT)

Ordeal of Barata

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?361; added dozens of covers to Wildside's reprints of Fowler Wright's non-genre novels, and the one above didn't have that edition, just the original 1939 one. I decided to enter it, only to be told that the ISBN is already on file; the novel, both original and Wildside editions, are also in the genre section of his record. So I deleted my unnecessary edit and think that the title's record in the non-genre section should be deleted. However, 1 record has a note the other doesn't (although info it provides isn't really needed) and 1 has a verification the other doesn't, so maybe those should be kept. --Username 17:42, 4 August 2021 (EDT)

Who is Samuel Cross?

https://bryanberg.net/files/portfolio-fiction/magic-realism/the-other-lorenzo/; disagrees with this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?101041. 2 different people. --Username 23:59, 4 August 2021 (EDT)

Royal

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?838242; http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?324104; did some fixing of catalog ID for Royal Books, and 1 was already on file; seems to be the same book, but 1 has the series as the publisher, and there's a different set of editors who worked on each record. So it's possible 1 of these is unnecessary. --Username 10:17, 5 August 2021 (EDT)

Missing Edition of a Christmas Carol

Here's something interesting; https://web.archive.org/web/20040728011137/http://www.stealthpress.com:80/store/pdf/Christmas_Carol.pdf. Stealth published between 2000-2002; their archived site includes a few PDF's, mostly excerpts from their books, but there's a PDF of Dickens' A Christmas Carol, too. Online search revealed the only site it's still on is Scribd, but just a preview, so this PDF seems to be the only full version. It includes the original 1843 illustrations by John Leech with some incidental art from 19th Century Christmas cards, but says the text is taken from the 1897 Gadshill edition by Chapman & Hall. There's no mention of Gadshill on ISFDB, and Chapman & Hall's edition isn't here. So it's hard to believe but there's still missing editions of A Christmas Carol. --Username 11:51, 6 August 2021 (EDT)

More software tweaks -- 2021-08-06

I am about to install a number of software tweaks. They address certain obscure problems and inefficiencies within the core of the ISFDB system, but they should have no impact on what our users/editors see. If you notices anything odd, please let me know. Ahasuerus 20:29, 6 August 2021 (EDT)

Science (Non) Fiction

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?149838; fiction record says Second Edition but First edition is listed as non-fiction, along with a (?) Third edition. --Username 21:06, 6 August 2021 (EDT)

Combined the two Thought Probes. Philosophy Through Science Fiction is a differently work. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:10, 7 August 2021 (EDT)

Hogarth and H.G.

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1474178; there's 2 Schuster eds. with the same 2 ISFDB editors who worked on both; not sure why the 1975 record is there, but there's some info that isn't in the 1973 record. Also, Hogarth published a few H.G. Wells books in the late 80's, 1 of which didn't have a cover here, so I added it. Fantlab only has 1 Hogarth book by Wells, and it seems to be the same biography linked above, only revised, but the title seems to be backwards compared to the original Nicolson ed. --Username 13:33, 8 August 2021 (EDT)

Pedneau's Pseudonyms

Lee Hawks, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?5695, and Marc Eliot, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?6017, published books that were both by the same guy; I added a cover to Hawks' book (remember it from back in 1990; very creepy). There's differences in info between both records. He also wrote other books under his own name, and I've seen a cover for the Hawks book published as by Pedneau. --Username 19:04, 9 August 2021 (EDT)

Beloved Artist

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?173983; Leisure cover was missing so I added it, but I think the cover art credit is wrong; prior editor seemed to get their info from locusmag.com, which credits Leming, when in fact he did cover for previous edition. Leisure's covers by this time were usually generic stuff, so I doubt he did a whole new cover for them, and it doesn't look like his other covers on ISFDB. There's a copy on eBay which showed both covers and copyright page and he's not credited anywhere. --Username 19:38, 9 August 2021 (EDT)

Straub Stuff

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37385; I added missing cover to 1992 Grafton PB edition, then found out that cover was actually for an earlier (1991?) Grafton PB. The correct edition was on Open Library so I added cover from there and some missing info. The original Grafton HC has a note on ISFDB saying the editor corrected cover artist, but I sensed something was wrong, and I was right. Whoever entered info used cover from American Dutton edition and credited that edition's cover artist; the real Grafton HC cover doesn't seem to be on any ISFDB-friendly sites so I had to upload it, and changed artist credit, too, back to what it used to (correctly) be. Then I found what I think is the cover for the earlier Grafton PB, [15], with a bloody ghost kid peeping from the side. Maybe someone here knows if it is. --Username 16:30, 10 August 2021 (EDT)

Gauntlet

https://web.archive.org/web/20040430191741/http://www.gauntletpress.com:80/MagazinePDF/Issue24.pdf; Gauntlet was an anti-censorship zine that ran for 23 print issues between 1990 and the early 2000's, and they also included some fiction, some of it of high quality by well-known authors. However, apparently their last issue went electronic because of money troubles. It says 2002 on the cover, but April 2003 elsewhere. Very little info on this issue online, with gauntletpress.com having a page for all issues but this issue being the only one without a price. There's 1 archived page with a PDF of the full issue; no fiction, but some of the articles are genre-related. I typed a random article's name on Google, and the only site that had it was moviemags.com, although they seem to think this issue is from 2005. There are a few random issues of Gauntlet on ISFDB, so if anyone thinks this has content that belongs here they can use that PDF to enter it. There's actually 1 other PDF on Gauntlet's archived site from nearly 10 years later, but since the URL contains the phrase viagra-if-you-ejaculate I don't think I'll be clicking that one. --Username 21:37, 10 August 2021 (EDT)

Fantasque

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?511007; Volume 2, Number 1 is Spring 2002 according to philsp.com. That issue was completely entered here, while the record in the link has only 1 story entered and little else. Date says 2003 and philsp.com has a Spring 2003 issue, but it has no contents. Where editor got Succubi from is unknown, since there's not a trace of that title by Loren Macleod anywhere I can find, and how they knew what page it was on is also unknown. Editor is no longer active, so I don't know if anyone wants to do anything with this, like change date to 2003, delete story unless proof can be found, etc. --Username 12:24, 11 August 2021 (EDT)

Dead on Main Street

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?648175; price is same as TP edition here, which can't be right, and Amazon links are dead. I changed format from TP to EBOOK for another D. Alexander Ward-edited book, so I don't know if same ISFDB editor entered wrong info for several of his books; might need checking out. --Username 12:50, 11 August 2021 (EDT)

Manly Wade Wellman Award

This award has been given out since 2013. The full title of the award is "The Manly Wade Wellman Award for Science Fiction and Fantasy". If you add it, I will populate it. You can read more about it here. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:11, 11 August 2021 (EDT)

Sorry, I missed this post. Apologies! Since there were no objections and the award appears to be perfectly legitimate, I went ahead and added the new award type. Please feel free to tweak the record as needed. Thanks for volunteering to work on it! Ahasuerus 22:06, 19 August 2021 (EDT)
Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 11:27, 20 August 2021 (EDT)
All entered! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:19, 20 August 2021 (EDT)
Excellent! :) Ahasuerus 19:57, 21 August 2021 (EDT)

Same Title, Different People

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1214952; no cover, but Fantlab had it, so I was going to add it here, then noticed the editors were not the same as entered here. Thought I was going to correct a big mistake, but then found a cover online for ISFDB's edition with correct editors. Why the same book was released with different editors and stories written by different people in each edition but using the same titles is a mystery which someone here might know the answer to, although I notice the Fantlab cover has the subtitle "International Edition", so that might mean something. https://fantlab.ru/edition73864 --Username 13:51, 13 August 2021 (EDT)

Look at the contents - not just at the title of the books. The contents is totally different - this should have told you that you are dealing with two separate books. Add the one from Fantlab if you want to - it is NOT the same book as the one we have and we seem to be missing that one. Amazon has both ebooks: The Fantlab version (note the title : "Scenes from the Second Storey: International" and [ours - note the title page "Scenes from the Second Storey". Now - Amazon being Amazon had put them on the same entry but that does not make them the same book - common issue with similarly named books sometimes. Annie 14:35, 13 August 2021 (EDT)
I'm not sure I understand that reply. There's a book on ISFDB titled Scenes from the Second Storey. The cover on Fantlab's page has the same title but different editors. I found the cover on Amazon with the right editors and added it. It looks totally different to Fantlab's cover. My confusion is why 2 editions of the same book have different covers, editors and authors but the same story titles. I mentioned that Fantlab's copy says International, so I don't know why I'm being told to note the title; I noted it. I don't know if this is a common practice with Morrigan, the publisher, to release different editions overseas, so I thought someone familiar with them might know. I see now that the last time this book was worked on here was nearly 10 years ago, so if no one can reply with a helpful answer, who cares? It'll go unsolved and I'll just move on to a hundred other things, like usual. --Username 16:21, 13 August 2021 (EDT)
Look at author names and not just the titles. The stories are named after songs from an album so they have the same titles but are written by different people. Click on the links I provided - they will get you to the Amazon pages for both books and both have Look Inside. Not sure how to explain it better. Annie 16:59, 13 August 2021 (EDT)

Security patch - 2021-08-13

A new software patch was installed a few minutes ago. It enhanced the security of the system in a way that should be completely transparent to our users. If you notice anything unusual, especially when editing/moderating, please let me know. Ahasuerus 16:07, 13 August 2021 (EDT)

Downward Spiral

While checking the late J. F. Gonzalez' bibliography, I saw that he had a novella in a 2006 anthology, Downward Spiral, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?307611. I went to the publisher's archived site and discovered that, contrary to online info, it's not a 4-author collection with a single story by each, but rather 3 of the 4 have multiple stories, with only Gonzalez having a single novella. Seemingly the only place where this is verified is a 2008 customer review on Amazon, https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/0975514466, which lists all stories, plus the info that 1 of the stories has a different title than what is listed everywhere else, including on the publisher's site. I imported several stories already on ISFDB (including 1 that had a 2019(!) date, and 1 that had a note verifying that it originally came from Downward Spiral), but many are not. Before I enter new titles using the Amazon review, I wonder if anyone might have a print copy of this seemingly rare book to verify those titles? --Username 09:56, 14 August 2021 (EDT)

Revised works

When dealing with collections, I frequently see instances where a given work is a reprint from an earlier work. These are easy to handle via merge or variant as appropriate. I have occasionally come across the following.

Example excerpt from copyright page - "Some of the works in Collection Title have appeared in earlier collections. All have been substantially revised to fit the requirement of this book"
  • Is this enough to consider these new works? If not, what would be enough?
  • Assuming yes to the previous question, Is there a preferred method of identification? Here are few I can think of using Original Title
    1. Original Title - Unchanged, But include in notes "This work has been substantially revised since it was first published in "insert appropriate" (copyright page "Collection Title")
    2. Original Title (revised) - With or without the note from #1
    3. Original Title, revised - With or without the note from #1
    4. any better choice.
  • Asked in the interest of consistency.
John Scifibones 14:55, 14 August 2021 (EDT)
We have two options when handling revisions:
  1. Merge (or variant if different title or author credit) and add a title note mentioning the differences.
  2. Leave as two separate records and add title notes to both
The first is usually done when the revisions are minor and the second when they are major. However, we don't have a firm rule on that and minor / major are in the eye of the beholder. We also don't have a firm rule on naming if left separate. Your first two [leave unchanged, add (revised)] are both used. I prefer leaving unchanged and just using notes as that is in keeping with record as per the publication. Others see differently. The key is to use title notes. -- JLaTondre (talk) 15:06, 14 August 2021 (EDT)

Jim Morrison Lives!

I added photo to Jim Morrison's record months ago, and today I randomly came back across that record, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?19974. While admiring the photo I noticed the story, "For He Has Seen the Lord in All His Metallic Splendor", had a 1993 date. Being more than 20 years after he (supposedly) died, I was suspicious of that. Typing that title on Google brings up philsp.com, locusmag.com, and ISFDB. A short story by Jim Morrison, lead singer of THE DOORS, would certainly be mentioned on more than just a few genre sites, so I suspect the title is by someone who happens to have the same name. The zine it appears in is pretty obscure, but maybe someone here has a copy of that issue and can verify if there's a bio for Morrison which says it's not the same guy? --Username 10:33, 15 August 2021 (EDT)

Missing Dick

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?6082; Deal had unentered Thomas Canty cover credit (another beautiful Canty cover is always welcome) and Dick had unentered Les Katz cover credit (Katz' last credit on ISFDB was 7 years earlier!). I added both from Archive.org copies, then noticed the date on copyright page for Deal's original edition was same as date for Dick on ISFDB. I made Deal a variant of Dick. I suspect they changed original title because dumb people would think it was a porn novel. --Username 11:06, 15 August 2021 (EDT)

The Foreworld Saga series

There is currently one series for The Foreworld Saga titles here. There are actually three series groups related to these titles: the five main 'canon' titles, about 15 Foreworld SideQuest titles, and about 16 Foreworld Fan Fiction titles. Would there be any objection to my creating two new sub-series 'Foreworld SideQuests' and 'Foreworld Fan Fiction' and my moving the four existing titles that are actually Foreworld SideQuests under that new sub-series? I've just submitted four of the fan-fic novellas so all will be populated. Phil 12:12, 15 August 2021 (EDT)

Sinister

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1241273; the original 1919 edition and the Hippocampus edition use same cover. While checking for price of 1919, I found a cover on dustjackets.com, https://www.dustjackets.com/pages/books/30268/leland-hall/sinister-house, which has price but artwork is different. Checking Google Books, the cover on dustjackets.com is used as an interior illustration but Google's cover is same as that on ISFDB. Not sure what to make of this. --Username 01:25, 16 August 2021 (EDT)

Mancuso

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?844; I found it strange well-known Canadian actor Nick Mancuso published 1 sci-fi story in 1982, so checked archive.org's copy of that issue and bio didn't mention anything about acting. Then I noticed that story's author was TED Mancuso. Who entered this as Nick and why is a good question, since there's an essay in the same issue with his correct name; I changed author to Ted (the novel mentioned in the bio is on ISFDB so he's already here), so now I think Nick's record should be deleted from ISFDB. --Username 01:50, 16 August 2021 (EDT)

Just FYI: When the last title credited to an author is deleted, the author record gets deleted automatically. So Nick is gone now. --MartyD 07:50, 16 August 2021 (EDT)

Mistitled C. Beaumont Story

Found rare photos of Shadow Play, British collection of Charles Beaumont's stories, and entered the page numbers. Turns out 1 of the stories was mistitled! "Last Night in the Rain" is actually "Last Night the Rain". Here's the contents page of original 1958 HC of The Hunger where story first appeared, [16], and the copyright page of the Bantam PB, [17], which shows that's really the title. The Valancourt edition (Amazon Look Inside) agrees, so that leaves Mass for Mixed Voices, which is expensive and hard to find photos of like most of Centipede's books, but Worldcat thankfully lists all contents and story title is "Last Night the Rain". So I think it's safe to say the title on ISFDB can be changed. I made an edit, so it just needs approval. --Username 15:39, 16 August 2021 (EDT)

Og Artist

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?32171; copy on Archive.org of the 1984 edition is a tie-in to TV version; I added cover, but erased cover art credit because it was a scene from the TV version, not artwork. However, the copyright page says original book is 1961, but illustrations are 1974 by Patsy Berton. 1961 edition on ISFDB has William Winter as artist, so I think the art credit for 1984 is not originally from 1961 but maybe a later 1974 edition. I don't know anything about this book, but maybe someone else does. --Username 16:21, 16 August 2021 (EDT)

Dark Voices 2 (II)

"Dark Voices 2 cover art Hello. Concerning the cover art of these pubs, my copy clearly indicates on bc "Cover illustration by Marshall Arisman". Do you confirm the name of Dave Carson (whose style is utterly different) on yours ? In this case, there seems to be a slight problem ! Thanks, Linguist 05:26, 11 August 2017 (EDT).

This is entirely my error - the TITLE PAGE is Carson - the cover is not credited on my copy Prof beard 04:49, 31 August 2017 (EDT)"

The above is copied from Mr. Beard's page; there's a copy of Dark Voices 2, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35580, on Archive.org, and I was going to check story info to make sure all is correct on ISFDB, but I didn't get further than the cover before finding a mistake. Apparently the guys above forgot to change the reprint's cover credit. --Username 11:51, 17 August 2021 (EDT)

Gethsem?ne

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?83214; Stephen Gallagher offered a free PDF of his novelette "In Gethsemene" several years ago and it's still on the web, so I added it; problem is it's titled "In Gethsemane". I found photos of Heaven Sent (Daw) online and it's spelled Gethsemene on contents page, while a copy of Out of His Mind on Google Books spells it Gethsemane. Gethsemane is a real place where Jesus Christ underwent the agony in the garden the night before his crucifixion, so I suspect Daw's editor didn't know that and just spelled it the way it sounds. Of course, it's also possible it's spelled properly at the head of the story itself, which I believe is what ISFDB goes with. So does anyone have a copy of Heaven Sent, American or British edition, to check how it's spelled and change if needed? --Username 12:55, 17 August 2021 (EDT)

Suggestion: Page field for new Novels

Would it be possible to add the the ability to assign a Page number/sequence for the new Publication on the new Novel entry form? Currently, this can only be done for the Additional Regular Titles. As a result, an additional edit has to be done to get all the titles displayed in the correct sequence. Implementation of this should reduce the number of edits to be approved. It would also reduce the followups an editor needs to track. Phil 08:38, 18 August 2021 (EDT)

That is a common request - novel is this weird case where the reference title is THE title we care about (non-fiction can be the same way; anthologies and collections also but there are usually stories there so we rarely add a page number to the containers). If you are adding scanned covers, it gets combined with this request easily; if you are not, then yeah - it needs an extra one. Annie 11:53, 18 August 2021 (EDT)
I can see how adding a new field for the page number that the NOVEL/NONFICTION title starts on would speed things up. I assume we would want to add it to the "Publication Data" section of the data entry form, probably immediately before the "Pages" field.
If we decide to do it, what should we call the new field? We'll want to make sure that it's not confused with the "Pages" field. Ahasuerus 12:58, 18 August 2021 (EDT)
"Starting page"? "Novel/Non-fiction start page"? Something like that? :) Annie 13:04, 18 August 2021 (EDT)
No need for a new, separate, field. Another approach (which is preferable imo) is to have a section Regular Title on the New Novel (and other) page(s) just above the Additional Regular Titles section, and have exactly the same fields (page, title, date, title type, length (well, length not really needed)), and prepopulate all of them with read-only values fore the novel title, and only allow Page field to be filled in. Alternatively, you could rename the Additional Regular Titles as just Regular Titles, and again prepopulate the novel title as above in the first available slot. Of course, not knowing how the software works, I have no idea how much work that would be... MagicUnk 14:31, 18 August 2021 (EDT)
(owch, forgot one thing and that is that you'd have to have a trigger to populate these read-only fields once the Title: field (and date, ...) have been filled in - is that doable?) MagicUnk 14:33, 18 August 2021 (EDT)
Adding a new field will be easier (development-wise) than reworking the Regular Titles section and pre-populating and making things read-only and so on. Just saying :) Sometimes it is down to what is the quickest way to get what we need. Annie 15:15, 18 August 2021 (EDT)
Also, keep in mind that we would need to keep the two sections -- one editable and the other one read-only -- in sync if and when the editor goes back and changes the editable values. It's all possible, but it would be a pain to implement. Ahasuerus 15:30, 18 August 2021 (EDT)

(unindent) Thinking some more about this issue, calling the new field "Starting page" could confuse the editor if the publication contains a preface or an introduction. Something like "Novel starting page" and "Nonfiction starting page" would be less likely to confused editors.

I suppose another approach that we could conceivably take would be to add a short "Main Title" section between the "Cover Art" section and the "Additional Regular Titles" section. It would include a note stating that the title data for the main NOVEL/NONFICTION title would be copied from the "Title Data" section at the top of the Web page and have a single editable field for the main title's "Page" value. Ahasuerus 15:40, 18 August 2021 (EDT)

I like this last approach since it's in the flow of how things are entered currently. It would be easy to scroll past it if no data needs to entered. It would also be easy to visually check the overall sequence in combination with the ones entered in the "Additional Regular Titles" section since they would all be together. I'm assuming the value entry for this field would be the same as that used for the Page field in the "Additional Regular Titles" section. Phil 16:07, 18 August 2021 (EDT)
Yes, it would be the same type of field as the ones used in the "Additional Regular Titles", "Reviews" and "Interviews" sections. Ahasuerus 16:11, 18 August 2021 (EDT)

Crabbe

After my recent problems with varianting, I think from now on if I come across any I'll just mention it on this board. So today I added cover to Katharyn F. Crabbe's bio, J.R.R. Tolkien, for the 1981 TP edition, and a link to Open Library, where the book can be read on Archive.org. I didn't add a cover for the HC because the 1 photo on Amazon looks like a paper book to me, so it's probably Amazon's usual mixing and matching; if anyone else finds a photo of the real HC edition they can add it. More importantly, I added cover to the revised 1988 edition, and noticed her middle initial was now W! This explains it; http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Katharyn_Crabbe. Also, there's an interview with a Kathy Crabbe, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2352513, so that might be the same person, too. --Username 20:42, 18 August 2021 (EDT)

This one's fairly straightforward, albeit lengthy. I did the following edits:
1) Updated the author of 454649 to katharyn W. Crabbe, AND added a new Contents record with the new author's name (the contents title record is read-only since that is also used in the other pubs, so I'll need to add the new one, and in a second step remove the old one)
2) Removed the title record with the old author's name from the 'Contents' section (see left-hand menu item 'Remove Titles From This Pub')
3) Made Katharyn W. Crabbe an alternate name of Katharyn F. Crabbe (left-hand menu item 'Make/Remove Alternate Name)
4) Varianted the Katharyn W. Crabbe title record to the Katharyn F. Crabbe title record
The first three edits should not interfere with each other, so can be submitted at the same time.
I didn't touch Kathy Crabbe, as I'd like additional evidence before doing the edits. MagicUnk 04:39, 19 August 2021 (EDT)

Missing Picassos

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?214283; I think those 2 entries are by Pablo Picasso but they weren't made a variant of that name here. --Username 08:55, 20 August 2021 (EDT)

Thanks! Varianting done. Stonecreek 12:23, 21 August 2021 (EDT)

Hunter and Stone

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?563788; I added cover, saw note about pseudonym, found out it's Rodney Stone, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?137064, and there's a SFE3 link in his record which explains that. --Username 09:23, 20 August 2021 (EDT)

Thanks for this! I'll do the varianting and pseudonyming, but don't hesitate to to this on your own! In this case it was only necessary to link Hunter to Stone by using the 'Make/Remove Alternate Name' tool and variant Hunter's novel to the canonical name of Stone. Stonecreek 12:22, 21 August 2021 (EDT)

Not Spielberg

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?12164; even though it's tagged as novelization it wasn't actually checked off as such so I did that, then got suspicious that Spielberg wrote it. Turns out he didn't, as it was co-authored by novelization writer extraordinaire Leslie Waller, as mentioned on his Wikipedia and many other sites. Waller has a couple of old books on ISFDB, but none of the novelizations, I suppose because they're not genre, but Close Encounters definitely is. I don't know if that matters here, or if only the name on the book matters. --Username 19:59, 20 August 2021 (EDT)

For a long time it was suspected that Spielberg hasn't been the sole author of this novelization. I didn't know who was responsible for the co-authorship, so thanks for finding him! Do you want to variant the title(s), creating a new parent title? Don't be anxious for a try, this one's quite straightforwars, you just have to keep track of the one English variant and the translations. Stonecreek 12:13, 21 August 2021 (EDT)
I explained above why I'm not doing variants anymore. Honestly, I'm burned out after 8 months and thousands of edits. I get almost no feedback about anything; most of my messages on the boards go unanswered, and often I end up answering my own questions when I stumble across the answer, sometimes months later. I tried offering my help with finding rare info months ago and got a few quick responses, then nothing for months now. I also tried a thread listing hard-to-find horror fiction I discover on Archive.org and have gotten no responses to any of it - no comments, nobody listing their own discoveries, nothing. It's also tough when the site goes down several times a day for several minutes at a time, and the long waits between mods approving my edits have been getting longer, with a gap between edits recently of more than 2 days. Also, the trend these days for editors on ISFDB seems to be on e-books and upcoming books, which don't interest me, since most of my edits are filling in the countless gaps for books that actually exist physically. I've continued to edit because I know how much is missing and/or wrong, and felt I was doing a service to ISFDB users by adding or correcting info, but I'm tired. Obviously if I had a social life I wouldn't be doing so many edits every day, and I've started to become embarrassed at myself for not doing other more healthy things I could be doing. So who knows what the future will hold, but I think my edits here will be much fewer for the foreseeable future. --Username 13:03, 21 August 2021 (EDT)
I perfecttly understand your feelings. I for one appreciate your research and findings: you're right that there is a huge amount of tasks to be done in bettering the quality & connecting author entries, for it's one of the things ISFDB is excellent in enabling it, at least in theory). I'll do the varianting to Waller & Spielberg. Stonecreek 07:24, 22 August 2021 (EDT)

Possible Werewolf Novel

Melisand March wrote a horror novel, The Site, published by St. Martin's in '88 and Leisure in '89. After adding info, I saw online that she wrote another novel, The Mandrake Scream, in 1975, but it's not on ISFDB. The 1977 PB, https://www.amazon.com/Mandrake-Scream-Melisand-March/dp/0380008831, looks like a werewolf novel, but copyright page on eBay says it was first published as a HC by Mason/Charter. They have many books on Archive.org but not this one (they also don't have any books on ISFDB), and I can't find a photo or much info at all about that edition. So if anyone has a copy or can find the cover and/or solid info that can be entered here, that would be great. Amazon says 353 pages, but can't rely on their info, and ISBN they provide only appears on Amazon and Paperbackswap.com. Dondammassa.com mentions "supernatural themes", so I think it belongs here. --Username 13:56, 22 August 2021 (EDT)

Reused Bauman Art

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22105; http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?537601; same art, both 1985, but German book's record has no mention of Bauman cover variant. --Username 16:39, 22 August 2021 (EDT)

Well it's a Dutch book, but I varianted the art anyway :). Thanks for the find! Stonecreek 06:05, 23 August 2021 (EDT)
Yes, Dutch; I should have realized that when it said "Dutch" in the notes (duh). I see the publisher has 4 books on ISFDB; 1 is Omen III, reusing cover from another edition which is just Sam Neill on the movie poster, and 1 reuses art from PB of The Night Church, and is varianted as such; that leaves the Charlotte Paul book, which has cover art that I suspect is from some other book, but searching Google Images found nothing. So 1 more mystery to solve. By the way, there's a hurricane passing through my neck of the woods (Eastern United States), so my planned sabbatical from ISFDB was delayed by a couple of days, which is why I was still making edits. However, after tonight when it blows over I'll be taking my break and trying to limit my edits until Labor Day (Sep. 6). So any comments should be left on my board because I won't be checking elsewhere. --Username 07:50, 23 August 2021 (EDT)
Re: my sabbatical, any plans I had to travel anywhere are now unlikely since the chances of Americans being killed have greatly increased lately. Honestly, I'm ashamed of my whining about how "tough" it is to keep doing these edits every day, when our worthless excuse for a President is stranding countless Americans in a foreign land and allowing terrorists to run things; kind of puts things in perspective. So I've come to appreciate how lucky I am to be doing what I'm doing and how relatively easy I have it, notwithstanding my feelings about the problems I have re: this site. God Bless America, and Impeach Biden. --Username 07:47, 25 August 2021 (EDT)

Trezzo

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=trezzo&type=Name; almost certainly same person, with most credits under the shorter name; Braden credits probably after she married and added husband's last name. --Username 22:51, 22 August 2021 (EDT)

Far Arena

https://openlibrary.org/books/OL14992316M/The_far_arena; I added covers and other info to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?484021, but the Pan edition has a note saying it's 2nd printing. That Pan photo on Open Library is totally different, but has same date and ISBN. Is that the 1st edition or a later one? Maybe someone here has a copy and can add it to ISFDB. --Username 13:11, 23 August 2021 (EDT)

Database tables are now accessible from the "ISFDB Statistics and Top Lists" page

The "ISFDB Statistics and Top Lists" Web page has been updated. It now has a "Database Tables" section, which can take you to the following 2 Web pages:

It's the same data that we have always had access to as drop-down lists (for languages) or as verification options, but now it's centralized and available as nice tables. Ahasuerus 17:31, 23 August 2021 (EDT)

Petaja

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36342; found Fantlab copy of this, added lovely cover, but Petaja's "Sky Hermit" isn't original, being from 1935. Philsp.com has it plus others under Theodore Pine; ISFDB has 2 entries under that name, but also 1 entry for E. T. Pine which is by Petaja but not noted as such. I mention all this in case anyone enters the contents of The Book of Munn so they don't enter Petaja's poem as original, and also for the usual varianting stuff where Petaja and the various Pines have to be linked together. --Username 14:25, 25 August 2021 (EDT)

2 Titles, Same Story

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2904647; I brought this up somewhere here a while ago, but Unsworth's story "Private Ambulance" was reprinted under original name in Best British Horror but as "Night Run" in Best New Horror for some reason. Finally stumbled on copy of the 1st book on Archive.org and entered original name as a variant on ISFDB, it was accepted, and I just imported that title into Noir, edited by Ian Whates, which is where it came from (contents are empty otherwise). But as usual varianting is a problem and both Best... books show Night Run as the title. So whoever wants to can variant or unmerge or whatever. --Username 18:02, 25 August 2021 (EDT)

Moorstones

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5066858; ISBN's already on file; locusmag.com probably where it came from. Real ISBN from American reprint by Salem probably needed. --Username 19:50, 25 August 2021 (EDT)

Currency kroner

In the discussion here currency_symbol it was discovered that in the Template:PublicationFields:Price is no explicit currency abbreviation for the European countries with the currency "kroner". To distinguish "kroner" unambiguously, it is proposed to designate the currencies as follows (Sweden: "skr", Denmark: "dkr" and Norway: "nkr") and to include them in Template:PublicationFields:Price, if there is no objection. Regards Rudolf Rudam 10:50, 26 August 2021 (EDT)

Sounds like a good plan - that is the same situation as with the $ currencies. We probably should also add a few more currencies that come up often to the template... Annie 16:34, 26 August 2021 (EDT)
Yep, good idea! MagicUnk 11:23, 28 August 2021 (EDT)
Thanks for the feedback. I'll include them. Regards Rudolf Rudam 04:41, 29 August 2021 (EDT)

Body Snatchers

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?26934+1979; I vaguely remember talking about this here months ago, and just came across it again. I just now made the Rings and Rogers books novelizations since they are specifically for the terrible Bakshi movie and the really terrible TV version of Buck Rogers, but those 2 Body Snatchers books are confusing. The Richter credit is correct since he wrote the script for the 1978 film, but the Finney record has most of the info, including corrected ISBN, while the Richter record uses the bad ISBN and doesn't include a page count. Also, it should be made a novelization, too, after records are fixed. --Username 14:54, 26 August 2021 (EDT)

Ongoing security-related changes

I am in the process of upgrading the ISFDB software to work with the HTTPS protocol. The process should be completely transparent to all users, but it requires changing literally hundreds of small pieces of ISFDB code. Sometimes bugs slip through even after testing. If you come across an ISFDB page which includes one or more broken links, please let me know where you found it, including copies of any broken URL(s). Ahasuerus 15:40, 26 August 2021 (EDT)

Spook

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?14238; I remember that great cover art from back in the day, and was surprised to see that the artist didn't do anything else, but also noticed the PB cover had almost the same name. Turns out it's the same cover, so I figured they misspelled it in the PB, but turns out it was misspelled by some editor here. Book hasn't been worked on since 2014, but 4 different editors worked on it, so it's hard to say who entered it wrong. While fixing it, I added Open Library links to the records since they're both on Archive.org, but noticed the PB says HC was in 1989. Date here says 10/1990; if it was January I could understand, but that's a big gap. I added a note to PB explaining this, but if anyone knows when it was actually published (HC says 1990 on copyright page but says 1989 for cover art on back flap) they can always correct if necessary. --Username 20:09, 27 August 2021 (EDT)

Novel titles

I ran across some (NOVEL) publications with different titles than the contained TITLE. E.g. here and here. They only differ by a comma, so it's hard to notice. Should this be possible? Acceptable? ../Doug H 21:31, 27 August 2021 (EDT)

Possible - sure - someone merged or edited later for the first then the second was created as a clone from it. Should they be like that - not really. :) They should be split out and varianted. Annie 00:09, 28 August 2021 (EDT)
We should check these more closely. For the audiobook, the Gutenberg page has the comma. I don't know what should serve as the title page for an audiobook. How much of a pause in the reading denotes a comma? For the trade paperback, are we certain that the title page doesn't have a comma? The look inside on Amazon shows a separate ebook publication by the same publisher, which also has a cover missing the comma. It reprints the 1920 Grosset & Dunlap title page which does not have a comma, but does print "Thuvia" over "Maid of Mars" in a smaller font. Do we imply a comma there? Zeuschner's Burroughs bibliography does show the G&D printing with a comma. He does note printings without the comma, which are all the editions published by Quiet Vision. He does not list the Kessinger edition. A variant is certainly warranted. I don't know if we should start it with the 1920 G&D, or the 2000 Quiet Vision. If the Kessinger is included in the variant, we should note that we're working from the cover title only. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 08:13, 28 August 2021 (EDT)
There are more than these two I was working through, but this mixed approach stood out. If I understand, the publication title should match a content title. Mayhap there should be a report on violations of this (my SQL is rusty - it seems do-able but tricky). I checked the Kessinger at Amazon again and got the actual edition for look inside. The title page has no comma, but this is from the 1921 McClurg & Grosset & Dunlap edition [Zeus. 804]. According to Zeuschner this was McClurg edition with just the title page replaced. The entries on ISFDB are the Zeus. 802, 803 and 805. Which suggests I should add this edition without the comma and fix the Kessinger content title and if necessary merge them. And on to the others. ../Doug H 11:51, 28 August 2021 (EDT)

Dash

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?95377; been correcting Pan Horror using Luminist PDF's; Trevor's Chicken Switch says here there's a dash in the Canning anthology appearance but it's also there in the Pan book, so needs unmerging or varianting. --Username 11:40, 28 August 2021 (EDT)

White Worm

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5069346; added Fantlab's copy of 1911 Rider edition, illustrator misspelled for some reason on ISFDB, fixed that, needs unvarianting or whatever; Fantlab shows photos of all illustrations in case that helps flesh out this record. --Username 14:09, 28 August 2021 (EDT)

Exchange of Men

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=exchange+of+men&type=All+Titles; same story, but Cross not mentioned as a variant of Nemerov; found this info on Nemerov's Wikipedia. --Username 14:41, 28 August 2021 (EDT)

The source for the note at Wikipedia has broken down, and I think it doesn't seem convincing enough that a poet who 'wrote almost exclusively in fixed forms and meter' should have published a thriller story; also, Wikipedia doesn't mention the co-author at all. Stonecreek 15:12, 28 August 2021 (EDT)

Crucified City

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5070324; according to Worldcat, New Authors Limited was a series from Hutchinson, so I fixed that, but all Worldcat pages give different page counts; prior editor used the 221 count on ISFDB, but another page says 220, while another says it's less than 200; Fantlab says 222. So if anyone has a physical copy and can verify which is correct, respond here. --Username 10:30, 29 August 2021 (EDT)

Missing Poems

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?8409; I've been adding/fixing info for this series and today I did stuff for XVI and XVII; those 2 have Dutch editions, and as I finished I realized there's 1 entry missing from both, "Martyr Without Canon" from XVI and "The Daily Chernobyl" from XVII. Both are poems, so maybe the publisher dropped them because they didn't want any poetry, or it's possible they are there but online sites where contents were taken from didn't bother to mention them. So anyone who has copies might want to check and add those 2 poems if they're in there or add notes explaining they were dropped. --Username 12:51, 29 August 2021 (EDT)

William Marshall(s)

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?5281; didn't seem right that the mystery author who has 2 genre novels on ISFDB wrote an intro for a book about Dracula, and turns out it's not that William Marshall but the actor who was BLACULA. Then I thought that Trek interview odd and turns out it's by the actor also, who was on an episode of Trek in the 60's. Someone approve my (actor) addition to those 2 records so I can add info to his record including the best image I can find of him as BLACULA. --Username 14:15, 29 August 2021 (EDT)

Lansdale Book

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?36883; HC has no page numbers on ISFDB for stories, but paper edition has them, and checking photos online shows they're exactly the same for both, yet paper edition is 10 pages less than HC on ISFDB. Paper was PV'd by someone no longer active named TEDDYBEAR, while HC isn't verified but editor is still active. So maybe someone who has a copy of either can check; possible wrong page count somewhere. --Username 15:59, 29 August 2021 (EDT)

Proto Date

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?891884; got price for Coward edition from NY Times review, but it was in April, while ISFDB says August. Note says month was entered arbitrarily to place it after the June UK first edition, but that places it before it. Several other sites online also say April for Coward, so month for UK here is probably wrong, since editor left a note saying they got month from Amazon UK, which is not reliable. --Username 10:42, 30 August 2021 (EDT)

Okay, I adapted the entry and added a note. Thanks, Stonecreek 09:21, 31 August 2021 (EDT)
Yeah, your note was there, but another mod finally got around to approving relevant edits and your note is now gone. That's the problem with the huge backlog of edits and many different mods approving those edits; many of them don't actually look closely at what they're approving and just do it so they can get them off the list; I got a message on my board about an edit I made recently where I added another note to the note in my previous edit, but because the first edit hadn't been approved yet the 2nd note just wiped out the first note, and I had to waste time telling mod to include both notes; now I just noticed another edit I made replacing a cover art credit with the correct name had both the original incorrect name and the correct one in the same record, so I had to waste more time deleting the wrong one and now have to wait for that to be approved. Who knows how many other notes and corrections I've made that have ended up wrong and I didn't catch them. I barely care at this point. If you want to re-enter your note, go ahead. --Username 16:27, 1 September 2021 (EDT)

Multiple Maniacs

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?137888; I added original edition of Maniacs and tried to variant it to French and American reprint editions and make it the parent but it obviously didn't work, so if anyone cares to they can merge them or unmerge or variant or unvariant or whatever. --Username 09:01, 31 August 2021 (EDT)

Well it worked! The only thing left to do for me was the merging of the doubled original title. Thanks for your work, Stonecreek 09:15, 31 August 2021 (EDT)

Small World?

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?850611; cover on Goodreads leads me to believe this is an edition of King's Small World; anyone own a copy? I found 1 site that agrees, https://www.frightlikeagirl.com.br/2019/06/pequenas-realidades-de-tabitha-king.html. --Username 10:02, 31 August 2021 (EDT)

2 Guys

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?392465; shouldn't this be an anthology? --Username 22:46, 1 September 2021 (EDT)

Yup MagicUnk 07:57, 2 September 2021 (EDT)

SF-Encyclopedia

Do we have permission to use cover scans from SF-Encyclopedia? It would be useful for older pubs. Bob 20:12, 2 September 2021 (EDT)

It looks like we do, but there are restrictions. See this page. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:14, 2 September 2021 (EDT)

Ellery or Avram?

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2024873; added info to "And on the Eighth Day" and PDF where I got price from says it's actually by Avram Davidson; he has it as a pseudonym here but none of the Queen books listed show his name. Any old Queen experts here? --Username 19:33, 3 September 2021 (EDT)

According to elleryqueen.us as well as Wikipedia and sf-encyclopaedia.com, this EQ novel was ghostwritten by Avram Davidson. Manfred Lee may have been involved. Dannay apparently wasn't. Horzel 09:43, 12 September 2021 (EDT)

Anthology Discovery

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?769422; I was fixing/adding info for Gahan Wilson, and this book, which was wrongly entered as a collection here, is actually an anthology; I fixed what I could, but searching for the word copyright shows 2 pages worth of poems, some by big names, so so, meone with an account who can read the whole book can enter individual poems and page #'s if they wish. --Username 08:21, 5 September 2021 (EDT)

Thanks for finding this! I corrected the entry. Stonecreek 05:45, 7 September 2021 (EDT)
I'm just going to go ahead and delete what's in the contents now, because none of them are poems; they're actually chapter headings and the actual poems are by other authors, with Moore just being 1 of the editors, although checking now I see the first poem under the Queer and Eerie chapter is signed L.M. so maybe she contributed a poem to each chapter, too. Whoever entered this here originally seemed very confused about what it is, and edit history shows no names, so maybe it was entered by 1 of the robots years ago, with the wrong info coming from some other site, but now that I found there's a copy on the Archive individual poems can be entered if anyone wants to do that. It will require someone with an account because it only shows a limited preview, which makes entering dozens of poems and their page numbers tough, especially since most or all of them are reprints, so some importing of poems already on ISFDB will be necessary, too. UPDATE: I found out there's an index of authors on the last page, 64, which shows there's more than 40 poems by nearly 30 authors. Turns out Ms. Moore only has that 1 poem, so I got the ball rolling by entering it here. --Username 07:01, 7 September 2021 (EDT)--Username 06:42, 7 September 2021 (EDT)
Fixer and the other automatically adding tasks don't enter the contents, so that must have been done by an editor; I already added the other editor, who was forgotten upon entering. Thanks for your work! By the way, I have deleted the initial publication (after cloning it), it wasn't primary verified: the links also were faulty. Stonecreek 12:23, 7 September 2021 (EDT)

Prophecy Editions

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?998067; There's only 1 edition on ISFDB of this novelization of the 1979 GIANT MUTANT GRIZZLY film, but note says it's a 4th printing. Checking Open Library, they have the original which has a date 4 months earlier than the one here, with a totally different cover, so I fixed the date. Also, there's a British edition from Mayflower that says "date unknown" with a cover which seems to be trying to recreate the poster, while the other Mayflower edition says 1979 but looking at the preview it's actually from 1982 and mentions it was reprinted twice, plus it has a cheap cover which looks like a stock photo but actually has a cover credit on the back for someone who has no other credits here. So there are lots of editions that can be added, and I wouldn't doubt that some have different covers, plus who knows how many foreign covers there are. Maybe some of them have a drawing or photo of the GIANT MUTANT GRIZZLY. --Username 15:02, 6 September 2021 (EDT)

Author Award Bibliography tweaks

The way the Author Award Bibliography page selects and sorts title-based awards has been changed. The most noticeable change is that awards and nominations are now sorted by:

  • award year
  • award title
  • award level (1-N with nominations treated as "9"s)

We also have a new cleanup report in the "Awards" section. It looks for title-based award records whose linked titles have different authors compared to the authors that existed at the time the award was entered. In most cases it's harmless because the current version of the award display/sorting software always uses the title and the authors of the title record. However, in the past some parts of the ISFDB software used the author names as they were originally entered, which created an opportunity for title-based award records and their linked title records to diverge. This cleanup report will help identify these problems once the data is populated tomorrow morning. Ahasuerus 20:19, 7 September 2021 (EDT)

Open Library linking template for use in Notes missing?

If there is no Open Library linking template, can we get one? MagicUnk 07:49, 10 September 2021 (EDT)

It looks like the following supported External Identifier types do not have matching templates:
  • Goodreads
  • Open Library
  • COPAC
Unless there is a reason for these exceptions, we should presumably synchronize them. Ahasuerus 09:21, 10 September 2021 (EDT)
Can't think of any reason to exclude them. They may not be used often, but why not have them so we can use them if we do? Regards, MagicUnk 10:27, 10 September 2021 (EDT)
Probably noone remembered to ask for them and it slipped the developer's mind to add them. No cookies for the developer tonight! ;) Annie 18:20, 10 September 2021 (EDT)

(unindent) "Goodreads" and "OpenLibrary" templates have been added -- see Help:Using Templates and HTML in Note Fields.

COPAC, alas, is no more. It looks like its partial successor, Library Hub Discover, doesn't have stable IDs which we could use as External IDs. We could still link to them using ISBNs, although it's not as precise. Ahasuerus 20:31, 12 September 2021 (EDT)

Balzac

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24944; Whenever I see a non-genre anthology with a note saying only titles already in the database were entered I double-check because some are often missed; in this case, "My Last Duchess" by Robert Browning wasn't entered so I added it. More importantly, there's a 50-page story by Honore de Balzac titled "The Succubus" which turns out to also be on ISFDB; it has an 1837 date as "Le succube" but only book it appears in on ISFDB is a 1978 German horror anthology as "Der Succubus". I don't like to mess with the foreign titles because I can barely handle English, but if anyone wants to add it and variant or merge it's on Archive.org; https://archive.org/details/onceagainstlaw00tenn. --Username 19:10, 10 September 2021 (EDT)

Likely in this case the missig titles were only introduced after the anthology was added (in 2009!), the German Balzac certainly was. But thanks for the hint! Stonecreek 12:03, 11 September 2021 (EDT)

how to add preexisting title to collection?

Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I can't find it in the first few archive pages.

I'm trying to add preexisting short stories to a collection. So far I've been using the "Add Title" button, adding in a new short story, then later merging the new title with the preexisting one. What's a more streamlined way without having to merge titles?

Also, is there a way to search the archives without going to individual pages?

Thanks!

First to your second question: What exactly do you mean with 'archives'? If you search for a specific title you may use the 'Search the database' or the advanced search.
Second, to your first problem: It's quite easy to add a pre-existing title to a publication (for example one of a collection). Just use 'Import Content' from the 'Editing Tools' on the left. If you'd find that Vonnegut's Harrison Bergeron is missing in one of his collections, you'd just have to enter the title id # 41335 in the lower section of the form that was opened after clicking on 'Import Content'. (If you'd like to import many stories from one existing source, you may use the upper section). Hope that helps, Stonecreek 16:06, 11 September 2021 (EDT)
If by searching the archives you mean searching the archives of "ISFDB:Community Portal" then I don't think that's possible with the current wiki settings (requires a different search extension). /Lokal_Profil 16:52, 13 September 2021 (EDT)

Brite Question

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?92472; I've been adding/fixing a lot of stuff for Dell's Abyss line of the 90's, and there's something weird I found; Poppy Z. Brite published a collection called Wormwood which has a January 1996 date, as can be seen in the Archive.org copy. However, there's a story titled "Wormwood" in Brite's record which has a 1995 date, a nomination for an IHG award, and nothing else. Here's what I think: the story "His Mouth Will Taste of Wormwood" came out in 1990 and was collected in a small-press collection in 1993, Swamp Foetus, which was retitled after the 1990 story for a mini-collection from Penguin in 1994, and then was reprinted in Wormwood; that collection should be nominated for the 1996 IHG (it probably appeared in late December which would explain being nominated for a 1996 award). Anyone know more? --Username 18:41, 12 September 2021 (EDT)

Hale Western?

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?278545; cover looks like a Western, https://www.amazon.com/Highland-Vengeance-Archie-Venters/dp/0709169604. Probably should be deleted. --Username 00:21, 13 September 2021 (EDT)

I don't think it's a Western. It doesn't look like one to me (and I have a lot of them). Fantastic Fiction has it listed as science fiction. I can't find any reviews of it, and Amazon doesn't give any description. In fact, I can find practically nothing about the author except this obituary and this very brief bio. Based on that, it appears he wrote mysteries and/or crime fiction. That doesn't mean this one isn't both science fiction and a mystery (the cover says "mystery" to me). His books seem to be very hard to find, too, so getting a copy of this one would be difficult. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 11:26, 13 September 2021 (EDT)
Note by another editor in Highland Vengeance's record mentioned the Western thing, and since it doesn't have the usual Hale SF logo on the cover whatever it is it's probably not SF. Maybe someone here will have a copy and clear this up. UPDATE: https://archive.org/details/deathbelowzero0000vent; picture of author on back cover. No sense adding info to his record because his 1 book on ISFDB will probably be gone soon. --Username 12:05, 13 September 2021 (EDT)
It might not be straight science fiction, but any science fictional element in it would qualify the novel to be indexed into our database, I'd think. We really should wait for somebody having read it, or a competent review. Stonecreek 12:47, 13 September 2021 (EDT)

Standard naming of synopsis

Hi all. Have been adding some of the publications in my bookshelf and came across some which included a synopsis of an earlier books in a series. I added it to the contents but have in retrospect gotten a bit unsure about how these should be named (when the name is just that of the earlier book). I went for TITLE (synopsis) but I've also seen TITLE Synopsis, Synopsis of "TITLE" or Synopsis (TITLE). By contrast for excerpts there is a clear rule stated in Template:TitleFields:Title. Mainly thought I'd ask for the preference her since it affects which name I keep after merging two synopses. /Lokal_Profil 17:13, 13 September 2021 (EDT)

Author Award Bibliography page tweaked

The Author Award Bibliography page has been tweaked to display translation languages -- see Stanisław Lem's Awards page for an example. Ahasuerus 17:58, 13 September 2021 (EDT)

2 new External IDs and templates added for the National Library of Sweden

Two new External IDs have been added for the Libris catalog of National Library of Sweden. We need 2 of them because the old catalog (Libris) and the new catalog (Libris XL) use different IDs.

See Help:Using Templates and HTML in Note Fields for the two matching Notes templates, "Libris" and "Libris-XL". Ahasuerus 21:02, 13 September 2021 (EDT)

West's Malicia

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?14229; first 4 stories were all in his 1961 mainstream collection Call Out the Malicia, I think, but there's many questions. "Chanceyville" comes from Shock magazine, so is a reprint, and "The Fiesta..." has a note here saying it came from the 1961 collection and has a different date than that of the F&SF where it was reprinted, so that makes sense; however, "George" has the same 1961 date as the F&SF where it was reprinted and "Gladys's Gregory" has the 1963 date of the F&SF where it was reprinted, which are both wrong. Also, the page count seems to be very different for the original Heinemann vs. Dutton edition, cover has same artwork but different colors (red for British, green for American), and titles seem to be different for a few stories, with the contents of Dutton on Worldcat listing "TOWN OF Chanceyville" and "Gladys's Gregory (A REPORT)". I can't find a photo of any edition's contents page, and Open Library not only includes the above 2 editions but 1 they claim is in French (!) and that's the 1 that has a Worldcat link. It's also possible some of the other stories might be genre, too. So both editions would require checking a physical copy to verify lots of info and the differences between editions. Maybe some readers will have them and respond here so at least 1 edition can be added to ISFDB. --Username 17:27, 15 September 2021 (EDT)

Simon?

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?322963; http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?96369; added page numbers to couple of huge old anthologies and this name is spelled with quotes and without, which makes 2 separate records; also, I don't believe those Lovecraft books in the Simon record are by the same person. --Username 19:16, 15 September 2021 (EDT)

Once again thanks for finding this erroneous ordering! I have dealt with them by assigning the 1936 titles to 'Simon': it may very well be that they weren't eligible for ISFDB in the first place, being part of publications that seem - at least in part - non-genre ones (and so these stories may also turn out to be that. Stonecreek 10:28, 16 September 2021 (EDT)

New cleanup report for the National Library of Sweden

A new cleanup report, Publications with Swedish Titles with no Libris XL ID, has been deployed. The data will become available tomorrow morning. This is cleanup report #300 :-) Ahasuerus 19:21, 15 September 2021 (EDT)

COPAC retirement and partial replacement

As previously discussed, the UK/Irish union catalog COPAC was retired some months ago. Its replacement, Library Hub Discover, doesn't recognize COPAC IDs and, as far as I can tell, doesn't have permanent IDs of its own, at least at this time.

I have changed the name of the ISBN-based link in the navigation bar from "COPAC" and "Library Hub Discover" and added the word "(defunct)" to the name of COPAC's External ID Type. AT first I considered removing COPAC External IDs, but the mere fact of their existence is informative -- it indicates that the publication's existence was confirmed at some point in he past. Besides, it's possible that Library Hub Discover, which clearly tries to be backwards compatible with COPAC, may start supporting these IDs again. Ahasuerus 12:00, 16 September 2021 (EDT)

Barry Pain

I've been adding/fixing a lot of stuff for Pain's books, and got stumped by this one, https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/collections/all/products/barry-pain-more-stories-t-werner-laurie-1930. This, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?586806, says 2 old novels and 2 apparently new stories are included, but that Canadian Canoe is puzzling, since it seems to be a reprint of Pain's 1891 collection, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?552605, not a short story, but doesn't separate Canadian Canoe and Nine Muses into separate stories (at least on contents page) but does include the last 3 stories separately. Maybe Nine Muses was published in a separate edition not on ISFDB, and then it and Canadian Canoe could be added to More Stories as collections. Because it's a 1930 collection it's not in public domain and there's no copy on Archive.org. I'm no Pain expert, so anyone who knows more can reply here. --Username 12:21, 16 September 2021 (EDT)

Online Publication Dates

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5085457; I've been adding more horror fiction only found on old archived sites, and I have a question: this story by Moore has a 2016 date on ISFDB as if it's original to the collection it appears in, online info mentions it was in Moore's super-rare Slices collection from the mid-2000s, but it actually came from the horror site Stillwaters Journal, which was an online arm of Marietta Publishing (the editors also edited Warfear from Marietta). Which date should be used? That's a significant gap of more than 15 years! --Username 17:09, 16 September 2021 (EDT)

The Amazon.com Look inside for This Is Halloween shows a copyright date of 1994 for Harvest Moon. Hope you don't mind a non moderator answering. John Scifibones 17:19, 16 September 2021 (EDT)
Wow, man, that's some info you found, because turns out this story predates anything above and actually was published in 1994 by Pumpkin Patch, a Marietta publisher, possibly related to the publisher named Marietta. So I'll change date to 1994, but really that rare publication should also be entered, too. I'm not even going to ask if anyone has a copy because I know the answer, so I'll try to dig up enough info to make it worthwhile to enter it. --Username 21:21, 16 September 2021 (EDT)

How much of Jules Verne is genre?

Jules Verne has been called the Father of Science Fiction, and did indeed write a number of classic SF stories like De la Terre à la Lune (From the Earth to the Moon), La journée d'un journaliste américain en 2890 (The Day of an American Journalist in 2889) and Voyage au centre de la terre (Journey to the Center of the Earth). However, many of his lesser known works (e.g. [18], [19], [20]) and even one well-known one [21] seem to lack any speculative elements. The ISFDB Policy gives latitude to pre-1800 works, but Jules Verne went from the 1860's to 1900's. Without arguing particulars (there are too many), what is the thinking regarding the following: ../Doug H 22:54, 16 September 2021 (EDT)

1 Giving a blanket genre to his works vs. assessing each title individually

one argument for the blanket approach is they are (mostly) part of the famous Extraordinary Voyage series, and hence linked. ../Doug H 22:54, 16 September 2021 (EDT)

2 To what standard would we hold any title?

3 What would be the threshold for keeping the non-genre works?

Foreign Trek

Hello German readers. I found a book called Cap'n Beckmessers Führer durch Star Trek - Die Classic Serie, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1832273, which is a reprint of a 1994 American edition. Only copy I can find on Amazon shows cover pretty clearly except for the GIANT SPOTLIGHT in the middle so I added it here. There's a nice cover on Goodreads, but searching further there's also a cover on booklocker.de and memory-alpha.fandom.com. Thing is that none of them show back cover, while the Amazon page shows back cover in a separate photo but there's a GIANT STICKER covering up barcode and probably other info, too. So rather than trying to choose which of the non-Amazon covers is the best and uploading it here, maybe someone who owns a copy can upload a cover scan which shows the entire cover, front and back, and possibly make ISFDB the only site on the web which shows the entire cover. --Username 16:26, 17 September 2021 (EDT)

I have access to a copy of the pub and just uploaded a scan. Welo 07:57, 18 September 2021 (EDT)
Live long and prosper. --Username 08:06, 18 September 2021 (EDT)

George Evans?

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?26438; I added photo and info to his record, but I doubt that story in a British anthology was by him. Anyone have a copy who can check and see if there's a bio which would verify it's a different guy? --Username 19:10, 17 September 2021 (EDT)

Boulle Collection

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37905; Secker had no page #'s so I used Google Books to enter them, but 3 stories didn't get any hits when searching for their titles. Paperback edition includes those 3 as verified by seeing contents page on eBay and copyright page says it's a reprint of the Vanguard edition. Secker's page count is much lower than Vanguard, and notes here say Tuck only lists 9 stories, so I have a feeling they dropped those stories but editor here just imported all stories without verifying that all editions had the same stories. There's nowhere I can find that has a photo of Secker's or Vanguard's contents page, so I ask if anyone here has a copy to check and delete those 3 if needed. Also, Vanguard edition on Google has page #'s that don't match up at all with what's on ISFDB, so that will also need checking. --Username 08:04, 18 September 2021 (EDT)

Possible rise in Wikipedia vandalism

Please note that there appear to be more cases of Wikipedia vandalism as of late. For example, Andrea White's article was recently vandalized and now includes an incorrect place of birth as well as other biographical details. Ahasuerus 10:11, 18 September 2021 (EDT)

I'm not sure about a rise in vandalism; Wikipedia has always had a lot of it. I have reverted that page & watch listed it. If you ever see any others, please fell free to ping me directly. -- JLaTondre (talk) 15:10, 18 September 2021 (EDT)
Thanks, will do! Ahasuerus 15:22, 18 September 2021 (EDT)

Hell Is Murky

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279823; added page #'s from Dalby's site, and also changed "Gie Me..." because contents page shows it's not a variant but exactly the same title as original in 1996. Also, "Game of Nine" says "The Game of Nine" on contents page and Mr Raven should have a period after Mr, so anyone who has a copy and can verify "Before I Dee" at story head, The before Game of Nine, and Mr with a period, respond here. UPDATE: Checking online reveals story in Castle Fantastic spells it Gie Me Somethin' Ta Eat on copyright page but To Eat on contents page, so story header for this anthology is needed, too, to find out how this story is titled there and whether these Afore and Before words are actually used. Locusmag.com says Ta Eat Afore for Castle Fantastic, so I'm merging them for the time being unless someone says differently. --Username 13:08, 18 September 2021 (EDT)

Edit was approved but didn't seem to work, as correct title (as far as I know) is in both books now but there's still a variant that doesn't belong. No sense changing it because not 100% sure which title is used at story head in both books, so will just leave it as is and if and when someone verifies correct titles it can be fixed. --Username 17:37, 20 September 2021 (EDT)

Varma Drama

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359469; Someone messed up this record badly, with some wrong names and titles and dates, wrong page count, no price, wrong page # for the stories, etc. What's odd is there's an ID for Open Library which leads to a page with a preview copy of the book, so all of this info could have easily been verified. I fixed a lot, but there may be little things I missed; I think per ISFDB rules the Varney extract should have date of this book, not original date, but others who know for sure can take a look. What's more important is the publisher, Key Porter, is Canadian, so I added a C to the price, but checking further revealed the other 17 books by them on ISFDB mostly have prices entered, all American $ except for 1 £. So they may need a C added, too. --Username 21:15, 18 September 2021 (EDT)

New award - Ignyte

"Ignyte" is a new award for speculative fiction:

  • The Awards seek to celebrate the vibrancy and diversity of the current and future landscapes of science fiction, fantasy, and horror by recognizing incredible feats in storytelling and outstanding efforts toward inclusivity of the genre.

According to Mike Glyer of File770, who posted a list of winners on 2021-09-19:

  • The winners were chosen by an open public vote on a shortlist selected by the Ignyte Awards Committee, 15 BIPOC+ voters made up of FIYAHCON staff and previous award winners, of varying genders, sexualities, cultures, disabilities, and locations throughout the world.

According to this blog post:

  • Fiyah is a quarterly speculative fiction magazine that features stories by and about Black people of the African Diaspora based in the USA founded in 2016. The magazine announced that they would host FIYAHCON for Black, Indigenous and People of Colour (BIPOC) with the Ignyte Awards as its centrepiece in 2020.

The full list of 2021 nominees is here.

There doesn't appear to be a dedicated Web site, so the information is kind of scattered across multiple Web sites. Still, it's probably enough to create a new Award Type if we have a volunteer to enter the data. Ahasuerus 10:04, 19 September 2021 (EDT)

If you go ahead and create the award, I'll be glad to take care of it. John Scifibones 17:59, 22 September 2021 (EDT)
Done. Thanks for volunteering! Ahasuerus 11:44, 23 September 2021 (EDT)
All Done, John Scifibones 14:25, 24 September 2021 (EDT)
Looks good, thanks! Ahasuerus 15:24, 24 September 2021 (EDT)

Phantom Feast

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?28553; no cover I can find online, 2 copies on Open Library have no external ID's, no nothing. I have a feeling this was never published, but I can't find anywhere that says so. Anyone know? A Sheckley collection from a major mainstream publisher like Holt would certainly have some info online. --Username 16:34, 19 September 2021 (EDT)

Your feeling seems to be correct! I didn't find nothing also, and set this to unpublished. Thanks for this find!! Stonecreek 05:49, 20 September 2021 (EDT)

Rhys/Stall

http://www.sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/rhys_jack; while working on Robert Hale books, I found out Jack Rhys published stories as by Michael Stall. The novel The Five Doors was an expansion of a Stall short story. I thought it was unknown info, but turns out it's right there in the SF3 link for Rhys. The next 2 stories by Stall were also in New Writings in SF, but the last 2 weren't, so don't know if they're all the same Michael Stall. I varianted "Five Doors", so if anyone knows more they can do more. --Username 07:57, 20 September 2021 (EDT)

Australian Story Title

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?10268; Boy reprinted as Torment; dropped 1 story and added 1 new one. I fixed all this from copy of Torment on Archive.org, but 1 story, 15 Globe St., Tarelle, is 15 Globe Street, Tarella in Torment. Online info on Australian sites give both titles, and Tarella is a real place in Australia, so I changed title to Torment's spelling. If anyone has a copy of Boy... and can say different, they can always variant. --Username 11:45, 20 September 2021 (EDT)

Cover Artist's Various Names

Beverly Le Barrow, Le Barrow, Beverley Le Barrow, Beverley Lebarrow, Beverley Le Barrow, Beverly Lebarrow. Added Le Barrow to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2919033, searched for cover artists named Barrow, only people listed above came up, all of which are probably the same person but spelled many different ways. Every book is PV'd except the 1 I added to, so if anyone wants to investigate whether all these names belong together several people will probably need contacting. --Username 00:36, 21 September 2021 (EDT)

Laymon and Woods

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?12996; found very informative article, https://beta.peakd.com/hive-180164/@modernzorker/untangling-richard-laymons-the-woods-are-dark-1981-1991-and-2008, which details the tangled history of this novel. What stood out to me is that it says Leisure's 2008 edition of the full uncut novel runs much shorter and says it's 215 pages, while ISFDB claims it's FOUR HUNDRED PAGES (no note about where that info came from). The 2009 e-book has same cover and a note on ISFDB saying the Kindle runs 215 pages. So a print copy of the Leisure is needed, which can't be found by me online. Someone here should have a copy since Leisure was a mass-market publisher, so they can correct page count if needed. Other info in that article may prove usable, too. --Username 15:28, 21 September 2021 (EDT)

New Mervyn Peake Artwork

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444364; verified it was done by (and plagiarized from) Peake. Mentioning it here in case someone needs to variant it to that 1944 publication, if necessary. --Username 11:35, 22 September 2021 (EDT)

Help - Undelete

Please, I delete by mistake!

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5092758--Paulotecario 13:50, 22 September 2021 (EDT)

Unrejected and approved :) Annie 14:05, 22 September 2021 (EDT)

New post-submission yellow warning for "Source"

"New Publication" and "Clone Publication" data entry forms include a "Source of the data" list of radio buttons. The last one says "Other website, later printing/edition or another source (please explain in Publication Note)".

I have added a yellow warning which warns reviewing moderators if an "Other" submission doesn't have anything entered in the Note field. Ahasuerus 16:14, 25 September 2021 (EDT)

New Web API - lookup by publication ID

A new way to query the ISFDB system has been added. Developers can now request XML representations of publication records by publication ID -- see this section of the Web API documentation for details. Ahasuerus 17:15, 25 September 2021 (EDT)

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