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The Weirwoods by Swann

Just added cover art to your verified edition of this novel. Is that it? Mhhutchins 14:06, 30 Dec 2007 (CST)

Correct cover. Thanks Kraang 19:20, 4 Jan 2008 (CST)

Ray Russell story in Merril's 1957 anthology

Can you check to see if the story by Ray Russell in anthology has a comma in its title? My copy of it in this pub is simply "Put Them All Together They Spell Monster". Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:01, 4 Jan 2008 (CST)

I'll dig it out on the Sunday and have a look.Kraang 19:21, 4 Jan 2008 (CST)
My copy has the comma in the TOC and on the title page.Kraang 21:53, 10 Jan 2008 (CST)

Your verified pub Wonder Story Annual, 1951

Have made the following changes: Added artwork, assigned a cover artist, added information about editor in notes, unmerged "Twice in Time" and made it and the previous printing Complete Novels (nearly 50k word count). I might add that both Contento and Rock indicate that the Binder story was written by Otto alone but I have left it as it was because there is still some question about the actual authorship of stories that appeared in the late 30's.--swfritter 21:56, 9 Jan 2008 (CST)

Star Surgeon

In your verified edition of this book you list two content entries: the novel Field Hospital and the novelette Resident Physician. Are these titled as such in the book itself, or is it, as I suspect, a classic case of the fix-up? Perhaps you intended to list the pieces to indicate the sources for the "novel". I personally feel, until we can come up with a better way of handling fix-ups, that these sources be listed in the title record, and that both the title and pub record show the type as NOVEL instead of COLLECTION. I bring this up because this is among the records on the Data Consistency/Novel-Collection Mismatches page which I've been trying to clean up. Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:38, 13 Jan 2008 (CST)

It's a fix-up. I've changed the title and pubs back to a novel, and added to the title note that it's a fix-up. I also added links in the title note for the two stories [1].Kraang 07:37, 13 Jan 2008 (CST)

Your Verified Pub, Amazing December 1947

I've modified your verified pub Dec. 1947, adding two departments, "The Observatory," and "Discussions." The story "The Green Man Returns" was changed from category "Serial" to "Novel," and the interior illustrations were also added.--Rkihara 23:05, 16 Jan 2008 (CST)

Did you perhaps mean to change it to "novella" since (a) it's under 40 pages and (b) novels published in magazines are entered as Serials as per the Help pages: "Novel length works (40,000+ words) printed as a single installment in a magazine are treated as serials and given the date of the issue in which they appear; the Title Type is "Serial" and the text "(Complete Novel)", preceded by a space, is appended to the title"? Ahasuerus 23:48, 16 Jan 2008 (CST)
It's really a novel (80,000 words by the editor's count). It runs from p.8 to p.45, and is continued on p.102, ending on p.167, 104 pages total. The Amazing pulps run 600-650 words per page by my count, so that seems about right. If complete novels in magazines are entered as type "Serial" with (Complete Novel) after the title, I'll have to go back and fix about a dozen that I've changed. I don't remember seeing that in the "edit pub" or "enter new pub" help screen. Maybe it's time to print out a new copy?--Rkihara 01:13, 17 Jan 2008 (CST)
That one gets everyone. The reason it is given the date of the pub, even if it has been published before, is that reprints are often substantially modified - essentially it is the equivalent of a new edition for novels. You have to start worrying about your mental health when the (Complete Novel) Serial concept starts making sense.--swfritter 15:53, 17 Jan 2008 (CST)
The "page numbers" versus "page counts" get everyone too, at least once. As there's no record of "continued on page X" people used to more conventionally ordered stories subtract one page number from another and end up with a much smaller number of pages than are actually there - or much longer, if they're looking at the entry before the continuation. It's a bit late to suggest that Magazines could have such breaks recorded I guess: but it might be wise to put a warning somewhere that we CAN'T assume a total length from first page numbers alone. Well, you usually can in books, e.g. here such a split work caused much attention but you must NOT assume it in magazines, some of which never seem to have any story finish where you want it to. I wonder how many "Novel" to "Novella" or "Novelette" categorisations I've been persuaded to change based on magazine "evidence"? Probably several, it took me a long time to learn not to trust page numbers so much. I now basically take them as a sign that somebody's actually checked contents - a sort of verification that a claimed verification is believable - but it's possibly no more than a check of the contents page. And with BOOKS those can be cloned all over the place without checking: I know it makes data entry easier, but it also makes it lazier. It's a fine balance - I know I want Magazine Cloning enabled for British versions, but I'd be happy if it didn't clone page numbers: and sometimes I wish Book Cloning didn't either. But we're not yet at the stage of being able to check that a clone is for a different market entirely and is probably quite different in date or publisher or page numbers, but contents are mostly similar: or that it's just another edition of the same book from the same publisher (even if under a different imprint) and probably DOES have everything but price unchanged. BLongley 16:36, 17 Jan 2008 (CST)
Wow! Looking at that again, I seem to have suggested we could use MORE detail in magazines! I don't think I've done that since creating the first Asimov Essay Series... Feel free to take it as a suggestion for "more warnings in help" instead, I don't want to make everyone feel they should unverify everything and start all over again. (Although feel free to un/re-verify my magazines if you're just adding non-fiction data (ask if it's about the fiction)- I'm happy to stick to books for now.) BLongley 16:55, 17 Jan 2008 (CST)
Incidentally, is the Number and/or Percentage of Verified Magazines/Pubs something that we should put on the Data Entropy measures page? BLongley 16:55, 17 Jan 2008 (CST)
Sure, we could do that too. BTW, another reason why we record "Complete Novels" as Serials is to separate their magazine publication dates from subsequent standalone ones. Book collectors are very concerned with "true first editions" and genre bibliographers always distinguish between magazine publications from standalone publications. I am not sure it makes a great deal of sense, but that's how most reference sources are structured and we follow their lead to "appease" book collectors, at least in this case. Ahasuerus 21:27, 17 Jan 2008 (CST)
It took a careful reading through help: new pub to find the instructions for entering novel length publications in magazines, as the info was under the heading "date/serializations." I think this explanation should be moved/duplicated to "entry type/novels," with a pointer in "entry type/serials" to the former.--Rkihara 10:59, 19 Jan 2008 (CST)
Yes. The explanation should be in one place and the other place should refer to the place where the explanation is. A non-controversial change which does not affect policy. I believe this is Rkihara's first chance to update Help.--swfritter 12:35, 19 Jan 2008 (CST)

Past Master

I have added an image to your verified publication.

I also added a comment about the cover artist credit - mainly because I could not spot it at first...

What is your source for the printing date? Sometimes when I have a publication that does not state a printing date at all I'll set the date to match the copyright but also include the comment

  • The printing date nor number are stated in the publication. The printing date for this ISFDB record was derived from the stated copyright date.

What is your source for the comment "First Ace Printing?" My copy just has a short copyright notice and "Printed in U.S.A." but no other printing indicator. If I was doing the 1st verification for this record I'd probably add a note such as

  • The printing date and number are not stated. Prior to verification this ISFDB record stated "First Ace Printing" but the source of this data is unknown. Marc Kupper (talk) 18:29, 19 Jan 2008 (CST)
The image is correct, as for the "First" printing statement these Ace novels with the letters in this case "H" are easy to date. Based on my records H-20 to 42 are 1967 and H-48-95 are 1968. The later pubs of the 70's with the 5 digit numbers are more problematic. Your correct that I should put into notes that the "First Ace printing" is my opinion and not stated in the book. I've also finished the DAW books and will send the update sometime this week, along with the update are some observations about the Canadian printings, CDN prices(on cover) and number lines.:-)Kraang 21:38, 19 Jan 2008 (CST)
Thank you - It looks like we should start creating an Ace Page much like the DAW list that'll gather information such as your observations about the catalog #s. Marc Kupper (talk) 02:24, 20 Jan 2008 (CST)
We could do with a major rework of the publisher's pages so that we can add details of publishers as easily as we can add details of magazines or fanzines. I may not have accumulated much info so far, and it's all on my personal page as we have no place for it, but what I have accumulated looks useful - e.g. finding WHY an ISBN is invalid is a lot faster when you know the usual prefixes. So far I've mostly only checked British publications, but some other publishers clearly have patterns - e.g. an Ace ISBN often indicates the printing number, if not the date, it seems. It would be good to have this knowledge in one place. BLongley 16:30, 21 Jan 2008 (CST)
Keep in mind that Al had plans to create "variant publisher names" for the "publisher" table, so we probably want to check with him before starting a "Publisher" namespace in the Wiki. Ahasuerus 18:22, 21 Jan 2008 (CST)
Well, if such a plan is coming up, then I think that's good grounds FOR starting the Wiki pages. It's clear that imprints and publishers change over time: mostly small publishers becoming imprints, but publishers do create new imprints too. I'd be happy if we started with all the imprints and worked them back to publishers - but the timelines are going to be quite important too. BLongley 15:24, 22 Jan 2008 (CST)

The Star Dwellers

I have added a cover image for your verified publication but have a couple of questions:

  • What's the source for the printing date? My copy has a 1961 copyright but no printing information.
  • What's the source for the comment "First Avon printing"? My copy does not state this.

BTW - I locate the cover images by going to www.amazon.com/b/?node=241582011. From there I enter the title and a short version of the publisher name (Ace, Fawcett, Avon, etc.) I only enter an author name if the title is very generic and likely to generate spurious hits. The search usually gives me a short list of records. I use Ctrl-click to open all of them up into tabs and scan through the tabs looking for the ones that have the cover I want cover and then pick the best one. In this case I found

and also the same painting with a different cover style

The Jim Gardner images are nearly always very useful as he knows books and usually includes notes on things that may not be well known such as that the second cover is from 1965. He also agrees with you on that the first is a 1962 printing. Marc Kupper (talk) 02:41, 20 Jan 2008 (CST)

Ensign Flandry

Regarding your verified publication - what is the source of the comment "First Lancer printing?" I see that the copyright page says "A Lancer Book - 1967" at the top but there is no stated indication that this is the printing date and if this is the first printing. I'm going through verifying a stack of books and when I'm done will make a second pass to scan in covers for those I can't fine on Amazon. When I do that I'll update the publication comment to note that this is an assumed first printing done in 1967 citing what is stated unless you know of of a source we can use for removing the "assumption" word. Marc Kupper (talk) 20:25, 20 Jan 2008 (CST)

I think the word "assumed" will have to be added to a number of my verified pubs. Generally I only put in the first printing comment if I was certain about my information. In hindsight I should have noted the lack of printing history and that the first printing statement was an assumption based on my collecting history and other research. When I reorganize my collection I'll have a second pass at all the older pubs I own, that will give me the chance to fix some of my earlier errors and add images at the same time. For the moment any that you run across feel to make any changes that help clarify the printing info. :-)Kraang 21:38, 20 Jan 2008 (CST)
The cover image has been scanned/uploaded and "assumed" notes added. I've decided to start a practice (for myself, not ISFDB though people are welcome to copy whatever I do...) of linking to the Amazon record where I found or uploaded the cover image if it's that the same record as for the ISBN of the publication. I have no idea if I'll continue with this though there have been times I've seen a long random Amazon image URL and wondered what record it was associated with. For example, someone may have a pub-record for a 3rd printing. I have the 2nd with a slightly different cover and might as well upload my cover to the same Amazon record so that people can see 2nd and 3rd side by side. I also believe Amazon puts greater weight on records that have images and also get visited. If a record does not have images it seems to disappear from the Amazon search results after a while. I believe this is in reaction to some book sellers indiscriminately creating new records for their books (and usually at a far higher than standard market price for the book...) rather than looking to see if a record exists and posting their item for sale there. My thinking is if I add a second or third image (assuming it's appropriate for that record) then the odds are Amazon will keep it around and the links to it from ISFDB are likely to be valid down the road. Marc Kupper (talk) 14:35, 25 Jan 2008 (CST)
It's too short a time-period to be sure what effect I/we have on Amazon, but I do get a feeling that contributing images and/or fixing their data may help keep their stuff stable. (This is based on 800+ images for Amazon UK and 400+ for the US site (many overlapped though). I'm not sure how many data corrections I've sent: but I only recall 2 being refused.) When I first started helping Amazon rather than vice versa, corrections and additions seemed to take ages on the UK site and neither the US or UK site promoted my images to the title page (I STILL don't seem to make it to the search result pages, but they proudly state "Customer image from Bill Longley" on a LOT of editions now.) We'll never get a special dispensation from Amazon to make OUR links robust, but I do encourage people to scan their covers and upload them. Even if Amazon goes bust tomorrow, having the covers scanned will help us restart a bit more easily. (Although I'd STILL like a central repository in case I get hit by a bus tomorrow - my family probably wouldn't dispose of my books in the way I want, almost certainly wouldn't deal with fanzines, and would have NO clue about uploaded data.) BLongley 16:32, 25 Jan 2008 (CST)
I feel another pass of my books will be coming up soon - restricted at first to books with ISBNs that have no Cover-art URL entered. Then ones without ISBNs, but present on Amazon with ASINs. But there's all sorts of other improvements that can be made on my early verifications, it can wait till we agree on them a bit more. E.g. I never entered notes about printings if it seemed to be the only one. I think magazines have gone TOO far in the level of data recorded, but I'll still do some of those that don't have the Fiction entered - I might even add cover-art scans if they're lacking, but it's a lower priority than getting Fiction recorded. BLongley 16:32, 25 Jan 2008 (CST)

Retief: Emissary to the Stars

I have added an image to your verified publication. Unfortunately, I could not figure out how to massage this image URL so there's no border.

I also updated the comments to eliminate some assumption language and to note what the publication says. I agree that it's a bit of a hassle and also rather easy to slip into writing "First printing" when it's an educated assumption. Marc Kupper (talk) 14:44, 21 Jan 2008 (CST)

Doctor to the Stars

(Copied from User talk:DESiegel60) Added a cover image[2] is it correct? Thanks.Kraang 13:56, 24 Jan 2008 (CST)

Yes, that is the cover on my edition -DES Talk 14:35, 24 Jan 2008 (CST)

Maurice Sandoz's Fantastic Memories

Sorry, I am afraid I have deleted the second 1957 publication of Fantastic Memories before you could change it :( On the plus side, I have found its Contents and will add it shortly as part of the 1944 edition :) Ahasuerus 22:59, 26 Jan 2008 (CST)

The City and the Stars

I added an image for your verified image but also added a note as you had reported "Stated 1st printing of 1968 Signet ed." when Signet publications exist back to 1957. Marc Kupper (talk) 03:26, 27 Jan 2008 (CST)

I'm thinking this is the 3rd printing but please check the pub to see if this is stated. Here's a printing history.
  • 1st - S1464, $0.35, Dec-1957 - verified
  • 2nd - D1858, $0.50, Sep-1961 - not verified but Jim Gardner has an image
  • Some Amazon listings say "1967" but don't give more data. This might be a seller typo as there is on AbeBooks there's only one seller for 1967 and they say "Signet S1464, 1967 ... First Signet printing December 1967" meaning they gave the date for the Dec-1957 1st but called it 1967.
  • 3rd? - P3429, $0.60, Apr-1968, Jim Garder says this is the 3rd
  • 7th - Q5371, $0.95, undated, verified
  • 9th - Y6452, $1.25, undated, image on Amazon
  • 10th - W7990, $1.50, undated, image on Amazon
  • 12th - 0-451-09232-5, $1.75, undated
  • 13th - 0-451-12034-5, $2.50, undated
  • 14th - 0-451-13315-3, $1.25, undated, odd that the price went down
  • Unknown - 0-451-14822-3, $3.50, 1987, page count is much higher Marc Kupper (talk) 04:04, 27 Jan 2008 (CST)
I'll have to find the copy, that may take a couple of days. My copy probably states it just that, its a 1st printing of 1968. I agree with you that It's more than likely a third printing. Did I add the extra comment to the 1st printing statement or did you?
I did all of the comments for the 1st printing except for the one about Tuck and 1956. But - maybe you mean the note on the 3rd printing that says "(note - while it's stated 1st printing it's actually the 3rd printing.)?" Yes, I added that one plus second note on the 3rd printing that cites the Amazom.com record that the image came from. FWIW - The person who uploaded the Amazon image has the caption "First Printing December 1957" implying that perhaps the book does not state anything about it being a 3rd printing. Marc Kupper (talk) 01:51, 28 Jan 2008 (CST)

World of Ptavvs

I've added a cover image to your verified publication. What's visible on the image seems to match your data. Marc Kupper (talk) 00:34, 28 Jan 2008 (CST)

Yes, that's the correct cover. Thanks.Kraang 19:17, 30 Jan 2008 (CST)

Lester del Rey's Police Your Planet

Is this the right cover for your edition of this title? Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:25, 29 Jan 2008 (CST)

Another correct cover. Thanks.Kraang 19:18, 30 Jan 2008 (CST)

Canadian DAW

Kraang - one thought on your Canadian DAW is to date them the YYYY-MM of the first printing and the DD is the printing #. You could do this with your Canadian 2nds and that would get them dated. Of course, there's a publication note to explain this.

Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said

Kraang e-mailed me with "One odd one is "Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said" (Line#340.1). It appears to be a 1st printing but there's no DAW# on the cover & it has the later cover image. Unfortunately my copy has been defaced and the price is gone."

This is one of the very few publications where DAW printed for a while and then printed using a new DAW #. I know of
  • DAW # 146, First printing, April 1975, 1st printing (I don't have the number lines record for any of these)
  • DAW # N/A, First printing, April 1975, 3rd pr. (for a long time DAW did not state the DAW # for reprints)
  • DAW # 438, First printing April 1975, 5th pr. with note "Year of publication taken from Daniel Levack's bibliography of PKD"
  • DAW # 438, First printing June 1981, 5th pr (I should ask Don Erikson to re-verify this)
You reported
  • No DAW # - this usually means a later printing
  • Can you get the price from the spine right after the ISBN? Sometimes if a price was defaced with a black marker pen I'll use rubbing alcohol and a q-tip to see if I can lift enough ink off to read the price.
  • An ISBN, 0-87997-266-1, on the spine - DAW started doing this in November 1976 which also indicates you have a later printing.
  • You said it has the later cover image? I thought the first cover was by Hans Ulrich; Ute Osterwalder and the later is by Oliviero Berni but you reported Hans Ulrich; Ute Osterwalder.
It looks like I'll need to update the DAW list as there were three covers and not the two I initially thought. ISFDB has
A scan of AbeBooks finds the following with images
This is the correct cover with the $1.50 price. My copy has the price scratched off. The copyright page has the illustrators listed as "Hans Ulrich and Ute Osterwalder" but as you noted it's signed "Kresek". The number line is probably an error and it should have been "2" or "3". The Canadian printing would generally be smaller than the US so it would be more likely to see a US printing in Canada and less likely for you to see the Canadian printings in the US.Kraang 19:30, 30 Jan 2008 (CST)
I know I'm less likely to see a Canadian printing than you are to see a USA printing. What surprised me was every single AbeBooks record I looked at last night for Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said was a Canadian printing except one seller that did not state but the seller was in Canada. I'm curious, is Flow My Tears the official source in Canada for what "America is like"? :-) Marc Kupper (talk) 23:22, 30 Jan 2008 (CST)


I can't believe that every single copy on AbeBooks was from Canada. No wonder I've never seen a copy... Marc Kupper (talk) 03:35, 30 Jan 2008 (CST)

Update to your verified Mike Resnick - Prophet

I added a URL, the Canadian price and that is was printed in the US. Does this match your verifed copy? ... submissively seeking forgiveness rather than permission -- Holmesd 11:46, 18 Feb 2008 (CST)

Web of the Witch World - Andre Norton

Didn't want to update your verification - my copy looks like [this] and Gaughan has the map, title page, first chapter and a back cover illustration as well. I don't know how complete we need to go. -- Holmesd 20:03, 18 Feb 2008 (CST)

That was an early one by me so add the cover image and interiorart by Gaughan. The "Artist" category includes front and back unless back is a different artist. One of these days I'll do a second pass of my paperbacks. :-)Kraang 20:18, 18 Feb 2008 (CST)

DAW's Canadian editions

Here's an example of what we were speaking about concerning the Canadian editions of DAW Books. This pub and another one are exactly alike except for the prices on the cover. Take a look at the cover scans of each and you can verify that the prices differ. Since neither pub have been verified, can we assume that the higher priced one is the Canadian edition? And should we note this in the pub records so that no one comes along, thinking one is an error and deletes it? This title comes after #299 (when Canadian pricing began) and before #406 (when Canadian printings were given a separate printing number.) So the only way to know if the higher priced one is a Canadian printing is to know what's printed on the copyright page. Right? BTW, Marc's DAW page shows this title had only one printing, but I suppose he doesn't note Canadian printings. Mhhutchins 21:05, 19 Feb 2008 (CST)

You are correct the $1.95 is US and the $2.25 is Canadian. The Canadian is probably a 1st printing(number line starts with 1), I say this because it appears that when they reprinted books they would change the cat. ID #(UJ408). I also updated Marc's list with about 200 of my DAW books but I don't know if he has updated the DAW list on the Wiki. If you don't have it have him send you a copy of his spread sheet. Here's a question, all the Canadian DAW books were published by "The New America Library of Canada Limited", does this mean that they should be listed as DAW Books/NAL(imprint/publisher or is it publisher/publisher)? :-)Kraang 22:16, 19 Feb 2008 (CST)
Let's not get into that! I've been lurking over the debate on the other pages, pretty much staying out until the dust stops flying. We do a lot of talking here, but coming to any definite decisions seems to be quite difficult. :( Mhhutchins 12:51, 20 Feb 2008 (CST)
yes, NAL/DAW sounds fine. I personally have used "DAW (Canada)" and ignored the NAL stuff. I never did figure out the relationship between NAL and DAW. It seems NAL either funded or owned part of DAW right from the beginning and wondered why only the Canadaian printings mention NAL. Marc Kupper (talk) 01:36, 7 Mar 2008 (CST)

Mike Resnick - Ivory

Found you'd already verified [this] but noticed you'd missed the Canadian price C$5.95 on cover and spine. Mind if I add it?

Not at all, add away. Since I was looking at it I added a cover image.Kraang 20:18, 27 Feb 2008 (CST)

Dorothy de/Di Fontaine

Kraang, could you please comment on this discussion when you get a chance? TIA! Ahasuerus 23:10, 2 Mar 2008 (CST)

Robert Silverberg: Project Pendulum

I updated your verified publication of [this] book to add a cover image. I would also like to add the following to the notes if it matches your copy -

Canadian price C$4.95 on cover and spine
Published simultaneously in the United States and Canada
Printed in the United States of America

Thanks -- Holmesd 20:48, 6 Mar 2008 (CST)

The more info the better.Kraang 21:27, 6 Mar 2008 (CST)

Identity Matrix by Chalker

I've added a cover art link to your verified pub of this title. Is it the right one? Thanks. MHHutchins 13:48, 19 Mar 2008 (CDT) Correct cover. Thanks!Kraang 17:55, 19 Mar 2008 (CDT)

My change to Masters of the Fist

You have submission #946589 on hold. I assure you that it was merely a correction of a typo in my previous submission, and I have the volume, with the original reciept (used as a bookmark, a thing I do fairly often) in front of me as i type. Is there any other questiuon about this submission that i can answer foe you? -DES Talk 09:19, 22 Mar 2008 (CDT)

By the way, your talk page is getting rather long. You may want to archive the earlier sections. If I can be of assistance, please let me know. -DES Talk 09:24, 22 Mar 2008 (CDT)

I was approving submissions this morning and ran out of time to leave a message on your talk page (have to be at my store on Saturday's). Your submission states it's a 1st printing Feb 1982 but the year is listed as "1989-02-00". Did you mean to change it to "1982-02-00". I can made the change and fix any typos ie. "untited" to "United". We wouldn't want anyone to think the US has changed it's name. And yes I would, my page is getting rather long if you could archive it for me that would be get. My knowledge of computers and things related is very limited. My solution to the long page was going to involve deleting old and resolved issues. Thanks!Kraang 20:10, 22 Mar 2008 (CDT)
One other thing about the date that got my attention is the earliest Baen book I own is dated Sept 1984 and the earliest in the data base is Aug 1984. Yours is stated as first printing Feb 1982?Kraang 22:11, 22 Mar 2008 (CDT)
Searces on Abebooks of the ISBN# or the title/Baen all return a date of Feb 1989. :-)Kraang 22:18, 22 Mar 2008 (CDT)
See my user talk page -- I must have been up too late that night. Correction submitted. -DES Talk 03:35, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

The Exile of Time

Regarding your verified publication.

  • I added a cover image.
  • I have added three notes. Probably the biggest puzzle is the Alex Schomburg artist credit. You verified this, Jim Gardner on Amazon also says it's a Schomburg work but the only credit I could see is "Alex" on the painting. Marc Kupper (talk) 17:55, 25 Mar 2008 (CDT)
Found this book in the first box I pulled out and it was it looking right at me. That other book I was going to check for you has been rather hard to find and I,ve looked twice.The name "Alex" is chopped off on my copy so I probably found the name already in the data base and checked Abebooks to see if it was supported by others. This being an early edit/verification there are bound to be a few errors/mistakes/omissions. :-)Kraang 19:41, 25 Mar 2008 (CDT)

Farmer's Doc Savage

Can you check your verified copy of this title for the gutter code? Someone just added a second printing for August 1973, and I think your first edition was probably around May or June. Thanks. MHHutchins 14:47, 3 Apr 2008 (CDT)

The same person just submitted an edit providing the date of the first edition as May, based on the printing history of the Bantam paperback. I've placed the submission on hold until you get a chance to verify the gutter code. MHHutchins 14:50, 3 Apr 2008 (CDT)
The gutter code is O24. The puts it on the fence near May or June 1973. Hope this helps.Kraang 18:04, 3 Apr 2008 (CDT)
Great! I'll accept the edit. Thanks. MHHutchins 20:37, 3 Apr 2008 (CDT)
FWIW, this site says May 1973 too. BLongley 13:05, 4 Apr 2008 (CDT)

The Space Plague

I have updated your verified publication/

  • Title changed from Space Plague to The Space Plague plus this was separated out as it's own title record though I suspect the second printing is also The Space Plague.
  • Added notes and image.
  • Removed the note "First Avon printing" as this was not stated (maybe this note came from a secondary source). Marc Kupper (talk) 08:42, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Quest for the Future

Correct Cover?

Also here for Tomorrow's Gift - it even seems to show the blacking out of the incorrect serial number? BLongley 21:22, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Both covers are correct including the blacked out serial number. Thanks! Kraang 01:43, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
No, thank YOU! Of course, the mystery now is if #275K ever made it into the wild.... BLongley 17:59, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Apollo at Go by Jeff Sutton

Can you double-check the publication date for your verified copy of this title? I just entered the SFBC edition which was the club selection in December 1963. Tuck gives the paperback date as 1964, which makes more sense as it would generally follow the hardcover by a year. I know Popular Library isn't very good at dating their puplications. Thanks. MHHutchins 00:27, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Copyright page is as follows "G.P. Putnam's edition published in November, 1963" and next line "First printing: October, 1963" Would this first printing refer to the Putnam hc or this pb? I've see this before were the printing date precedes and publication date (when its put on sale). If this is the case than the above refers to the hc and the pb is probably from 1964. The Cat# SP 305 is 1964 or higher but probably 1964. Hope this helps.
I think the printing info refers only to the Putnam edition, which makes sense. It was printed in October, published (released to the stores) in November, and it was the December selection of the SFBC. Look at the bottom of the last page or so of the Popular Library paperback. They're known to sometimes print a code stating the printing date of this particular edition. Thanks. MHHutchins 00:01, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
No code in this copy.Kraang 01:02, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Beyond the Dar Al-Harb

I have updated your verified copy of [Beyond the Dar Al-Harb] to include a Canadian price and ISBN and printing in USA. I have also updated the cover URL to a non-blank one. Please let me know if this does not match your copy. -- Holmesd 02:24, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

The Robot Brains by Sydney J. Bounds

Can you check to verify the publication year for this edition? Several sources including OCLC give the year as 1969, which would fall more closely into the catalog numbering. Thanks. MHHutchins 18:30, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Your correct it's 1969 and I've updated the pub. to reflect this.Kraang 22:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Letters and Miscellanies of Robert Louis Stevenson, Sketches, Criticisms, Etc Vol. XXII

Oops, I misclicked and accidentally approved your removal of images.amazon.com/images/P/B0008A9FUI.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg as the cover image URL for this pub :( Sorry! Ahasuerus 20:06, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

No problem I didn't even notice. The Stevenson page should be done in about a month and then I'll pay a visit to the Robarts or one of the libraries in the UofT and have a look at some of the series published by Scribner. I have some ideas about how to organize his non fiction but I'll let the percolate for awhile.Kraang 00:45, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Couldn't you have accidentally deleted Robert Louis Stevenson entirely instead? :-( I'd be quite happy if we pretended Amarantha Knight wrote the first Jekyll and Hyde - although I see that's a bit of a mess too as it's Nancy Kilpatrick, and we've got "The Darker Passions" and "Darker Passions" series separated, and the pseudonyms haven't been done... have you found a Vampire-Shagger Specialist Editor yet, Ahasuerus? BLongley 21:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
I am afraid not; I assume they are all too busy shagging vampires :-( The good news is that Amazon.com has just finished revamping (no pun intended!) their Webservices interface and Al has already changed Dissembler to take advantage of various improved and streamlined features, so we may be seeing more vampire shagger submissions from Dissembler. If not, we can always go back to Al and say "Hey, I wonder why Dissembler missed Undead and Undersexed this month?" Ahasuerus 23:43, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Dissembler's tastes are showing: I'm sure Al rejected Erotic Fantasy Art FOUR times today. I'd much rather deal with that than Amarantha Knight - although I think I have that sorted now - as far as I care to at the moment, anyway. BLongley 00:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
I assume it had something to do with Amazon listing it as "Comics & Graphic Novels > Graphic Novels > Science Fiction" :( Ahasuerus 00:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

"Proud Legions"

In your verified pub of Men of War, you list "Proud Legions" as a novelette. I have a copy of that collection, and i'm pretty sure that it is an essay. Could you double check, please? -DES Talk 22:33, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I've never read the book so I just assumed it was a short story. I'll change it to an essay. Thanks.Kraang 03:23, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Brackett's Coming of the Terrans

I've added cover art to your verified edition of this title. Also, I think you may have overlooked my previous questions about books by Jeff Sutton and Sydney J. Bounds. Thanks. MHHutchins 15:09, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

That's the correct cover and I've not forgotten about the other titles just put it off till there was more than one or two to look up. Twelve to fifteen boxes randomly sorted is a pain to look through :-)Kraang 01:02, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
I know exactly what you mean. I've pretty much given up shelving paperbacks and periodicals, so they're all boxed in the garage (though probably in a somewhat more organized manner then random.) No hurry about answering the queries. MHHutchins 01:41, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451

Can you verify the price on your copy of this title? Tuck gives the price of $0.45 for the 1960 edition (382K). Thanks. MHHutchins 16:24, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

The cover price is $0.35, Tuck must have got it wrong. The other 1960 edition (382K)cover price $0.45 must have been entered from Tuck.Kraang 22:06, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for checking. I'll delete the pub with the incorrect price and make a note on your verified pub about Tuck's error. MHHutchins 22:22, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Los thanatonautas & co

  • The Thanatonautas change was hyphenating the ISBN (it should be 84-8237-026-X).
  • The price for L'Ultime secret is the one they're showing on the Albin Michel website, copy-pasted straight in.

Circeus 01:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Albin Michel doesn't list prices directly on its books anyway; I should know: I own that volume. AFAIK, in the world of French publishing it is only usual practice for MMPB (fr. Livres de poche, "Pocket books", a well established niche there) publishers to do it. I'm actually tempted to write a page on the differences between Anglo-American and French publishing now (e.g. that it is exceptional for fiction to be published in hardcover). Circeus 02:52, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and I forgot to mention I'm a long-time Wikipedia editor, so I'm much more familiar with answering on someone else's page. I'll try to remember about your preference next time you leave me a note, though. Circeus 02:57, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

The Road Goes Ever On

Could I ask why you are holding submisison #969539? The intent was merely to make the title without the sub-title a varient of the title with the sub-title. Did I miss something? I don't see any obvious error in the submission. -DES Talk 02:21, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Mixed title types. Cover/Collection don't mix well. Although I see what your intent was. :-)Kraang 02:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Arrgh. I should have seen that. Rejected, will resubmit if the proper records are there. Thanks for spotting this. -DES Talk 02:44, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

The Dying Earth

Please look at ISFDB:Community Portal#The Dying Earth if you have a chance. I want to change this work from a Novel to a Collection, and you verified one of it's pubs. -DES Talk 15:47, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Andromeda Gun by John Boyd

I've placed a cover art link to your verified copy of this title. Also, it looks very much like the work of Paul Lehr (who was doing covers for Berkley/Putnam around this time). Is he credited anywhere in the book? Thanks. MHHutchins 02:52, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Just looked up the listing for this pub in Locus (#180, October 27, 1975) which credits Lehr as the artist. MHHutchins 02:55, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Cover is correct, I'll also dig it out and check for a name.Kraang 03:02, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Planets of the Voles

Quick question: Planets of the Voles or Planet of the Voles? TIA! Ahasuerus 01:24, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

It's "Planet" all fixed(image added) and merged with the other title. Thanks.Kraang 02:28, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Excellent! :) Ahasuerus 05:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

The Mask of Circe by Kuttner (first Ace edition)

In your verified copy of this title, you note the interior artist's signature, but she is fully credited on the title page as Alicia Austin. BTW, I added a link to the cover. Thanks. MHHutchins 02:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Forgive me, I just noticed that you did credit her in the contents. I gotta slow down and look more carefully every once in awhile.  :-) MHHutchins 02:55, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Changes to verified pub Startling Stories January 1951

Added interior artwork, columns, book reviews, etc. The only significant change was the editorship - Oscar J. Friend to Sam Merwin, Jr. who is credited by both Day and Ashley. Friend last edited the magazine in 1944. Please let me know if you have another source but I suspect this was existing data.--swfritter 01:09, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

It was existing data, all I did was probably add page numbers. I own exactly 8 pulps and zero magazines, the main reason I stay out of this area of the database.Kraang 02:00, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
You might run out of things to do! I have been going through my novels a few at a time and out of the first 300 or so I think about two-thirds were pubs that have been verified. I added two marginal titles, a probable first printing paperback, and only one title that I was surprised not to see in the database. So about 98% per cent of my books are already covered.--swfritter 19:24, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
The publishers will keep me busy for months, I'm only at "B"(and things they link to) and I've fixed, merged or deleted a hundred or so names or variants.Kraang 00:36, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
We should probably have a chat about the Publisher work at some point - I think you're consolidating a bit differently from me, and I'm not seeing as many Publisher Wiki entries from you as I create (although Marc's already criticized me for leaving them messy at the moment, but as you say it'll take months!). General discussion seems to have petered out into apathy, and I must admit at times I go look at a publisher I've corrected out of existence only to see it return from another Dissembler run or some unknown editor's actions. :-( BLongley 18:58, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
There's a few editors responsible for a lot of variations: Clarkmci and Thomas_conneely come to mind, as does Marc Kupper's "(nth printing)" experiment: I've mostly avoided changing any active editor's verified entries for the moment, but if the few of us active in this area can agree a few things then work should speed up a bit. BLongley 18:58, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Since the publishers page includes Wikipedia, Web page and notes I've not been using the Wiki. Generally my consolidations have not changed existing data only standardized the names. Charles Scribner's Sons(8-10 variants) is an example which up to 1975 was clearly an independent company. Since 1994/5 it has been an imprint of Simon & Shuster I believe, now just Scribner. Not having data from the ISFDB in a searchable table form has stopped me from making any attempt to figure out the ISBN #'s and the range of dates, this data would be best in the Wiki. At the moment I'm inclined to leave Clarkmci's publishers names since they show the imprint/publisher relationship. These can be used later. Do you have any ideas about coordination?Kraang 00:39, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Do we have a list yet of what names are considered canonical publisher names, and what are the common incorrect publisher names? Publisher names from Dissembler tend to be very regular, it always uses 'TOR Books' instead of 'Tor', or whatever the preferred publisher name is. It would be quite easy to remap undesirable publisher names to desireable ones, but it still isn't going to help on the variant names submitted by human editors.
Years ago, when all of the ISFDB data was typed in vi, I had a tool which searched for common non-canonical author names. I had a file with common mispellings, common variants, and pseudonyms, and a tool that would parse the data files and flag the undesireable names. That later evolved into a mapping file, so that the tool could find the bad names and replace them with the good ones. If we had something like this for publisher names, we could make an automated tool the located known bad publisher names and displayed them alongside suggested good names, and an editor could select checkboxes on those name swaps that should be applied. For example. Alvonruff 00:51, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
No list yet, we'll have to cleanup a good chuck of the variants names first. A publishers directory based on the canonical names would be useful I think. Some of the more common names could be set such as 'Ace' instead of 'Ace Hardcover'. Books with imprint/publisher may cause a problem. The recording of this relationship and how its displayed needs to be figured out first.Kraang 01:57, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
What I've been doing is keeping the imprint on the pub, and making sure the Wiki page for the imprint has the publisher information on: or the parent imprint, whose Wiki page leads to the publisher: or however many levels it takes, and however many owners the imprint has passed through. E.g. Corgi has always been an imprint of Transworld, and even though Transworld is now owned by Random House, the Corgi imprint is all I need to know really, I don't need to see "Random House/Corgi" and "Transworld/Corgi" separated (and really DON'T want them separated unless we get display functionality for "All pubs by publishers like '%Corgi%' " and suchlike.) The Sub-Imprint "Corgi Yearling" does look useful if accurate, as does "Corgi Childrens" - but I'm sure Amazon has back-populated older records with publisher information from CURRENT ISBN range usage, even though it is totally inappropriate for the time - and we've got a lot of those errors imported. :-( BLongley 18:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I could have a stab at listing some of the current publishers in groups that I think should be regularized, or deregularized - e.g. I think someone's been moving things to "Bantam UK" without keeping the separation between "Bantam Press" and "Bantam Books". That's a pretty big list though, and my opinions about canonical names are mostly clear from what I've done in the Wiki - before we had publisher edits/merges I created Wiki redirects for non-canonical names to the most common version, if I then added lots of notes to it that's probably an OK name for me. If you want that, I'd like a look at Al's current mappings so I don't contradict them without considering the alternatives. BLongley 18:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Kraang, I can also create publisher lists with ISBN prefixes and year ranges as well as the number-of-pubs for each: I do those for the ones I'm working on anyway, and it's no trouble to create one huge one for all publishers for the ISBN-relevant years. For almost any significant imprint or publisher it's shown stray pubs published before the publisher existed, or where someone's cloned a pub from one publisher to another and missed changing the ISBN, etc. It's good sanity-checking data which is why I record it on the Wiki pages. Even pre-ISBN data is good - the Publisher names, if correct, often provide a clue as to the possible years. Even Scribner - the years WITH "Charles" but without " & Sons" come before the "& Sons" and those are before the plain "Scribners", I think: although I own precisely none of them to check. BLongley 18:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Leiber's Green Millennium

Please verify the spelling of the title in your verified copy of this title. Like several editors I "added a pub" to the title which was incorrectly spelled as The Green Millenium. I've changed my verified copies but there are several more verified copies that I want the original verifier to check out. Thanks. MHHutchins 20:01, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I added the existing cover image and just checked the pub and it also has two n's. Why I entered it with just one "n" I don't know. :-)Kraang 00:54, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
You probably did the same thing I did... 1) I went to Leiber's page to find the title. 2) I saw "Green Millenium" (until today that was the only title spelling for this novel on Leiber's author summary page.) 3) I added my pub to the growing list of mistitled pubs. Simple.  :) MHHutchins 03:16, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Change to verified pub Cobra Strike

I have added a cover art URL to your verified publication Cobra Strike, as I have a copy that matches your verified record, as fa as i can tell. Please check that my art matches your copy, when you have a chance. -DES Talk 20:16, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Close enough, my copy has the US price of $3.50 blacked out and the Canadian price of $3.95 printed over top. Baen did this with some editions for Canada before all publications were printed with both currencies. You offered to archive this page a while back, can you do everything up to the end of 2007? Thanks.Kraang 01:07, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes that is a difference, but a very minor one.
Sure, I'll create an archive for you. -DES Talk 13:31, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Archives created, see link at top of page. -DES Talk 13:52, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Great, thanks!Kraang 22:16, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Cover artist added to your verified pub

User:Don Erikson has edited Your verified pub of Almuric to mark the cover artist as Jack Gaughan, with a note citing "Many web sites". -DES Talk 00:02, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Change to your verified Star Surgeon

User:ErnestoVeg has added a page count to your verified pub Star Surgeon. -DES Talk 15:39, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I didn't include a page count? Ok. Thanks.Kraang 01:12, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

The Mind Traders

Correct cover? BLongley 19:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

The cover is correct and while I was there I also corrected the other two titles that had the wrong publishers listed.Kraang 01:30, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Jewels of Aptor / Second Ending

The art for your verified pub stopped working so I replaced it with a working one. Please check. BLongley 18:16, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Cover's correct thanks.Kraang 03:06, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Damon Knight's The Rithian Terror

Locus #141 (May 11, 1973) states that the Award edition of this title was published in 1972. Thought this would help in updating the pub record. MHHutchins 00:16, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks updated.Kraang 03:05, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Alien Dust by E. C. Tubb

Was the publisher of Alien Dust credited as "Boardman" or "T. V. Boardman", perchance? Ahasuerus 02:26, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Spine-"Boardman", Front flap-"Boardman", Title page-"T. V. Boardman & Company Limited" & Back flap-"T.V. Boardman & Co., Ltd.". It appears the common use in the database is "T. V. Boardman". Here's a Wikipedia link "Boardman Books"[3]. What is the common use for the book sellers?Kraang 03:00, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
What you are describing is very similar to what I found in their edition of Triplanetary earlier today. I went with "T. V. Boardman" as the currently preferred version, but also noted the fact that "T. V. Boardman & Co., Ltd." was used on the title page. No idea what used book sellers may use at this late date, I am afraid. Ahasuerus 03:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Did a quick random sample of books, "T. V. Boardman" and "T. V. Boardman & Co." appear to be the most commonly used. "Boardman" & "Boardman Books" are next in that order. I think we should change them all to "T. V. Boardman".Kraang 03:33, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Sounds reasonable to me! Ahasuerus 05:06, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Mask of Circe (redux)

I've come across a review of this pub in the December 10, 1971 issue of Locus. It doesn't give a publication date but we can be somewhat certain that it was published in 1971. Hope this helps in dating the pub. MHHutchins 00:55, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I've adjusted the date and left a note to indicate its source. Thanks.Kraang 01:11, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

The Wizard of Anharitte

I messed with your verified pub a bit. Mainly because of the sudden SNAP! moment. BLongley 19:12, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Elephant Song

Right cover? BLongley 17:20, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Covers correct. ThanksKraang 02:16, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Scatterbrain by Niven

You verified the 2003 hc ed of Scatterbrain. In it you listed a story "Ice and Fire: Collaboration with Brenda Cooper(Excerpt)" and an essay " Discussion with Brenda Cooper Re: "Ice and Fire"(Scatterbrain)". I have, and am redy to verify, the 2004 MMPB edition of the same collection. The contents appear to be the same, except that the above items use "Ice and Mirrors" for the name of the underlying story, not "Ice and Fire". Is this a difference between the two editions, or was ther an entry error in yours? Can you check? I am holding off verifing mine until I know ehther i need to change the titles, or create variants. -DES Talk 16:08, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

There both "Ice and Mirrors" why I entered "Fire" I can't say. The whole book was a pain to enter, I just hope these authors and their publishers don't start to publishes their blogs. I picked it up as a remainder (cost $4.80 CDN) so I don't feel like I was cheated to much.Kraang 02:30, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing it. I have entered a number of things that seemd like wastes of paper, but completeness is everything. However, in this case I disagree, while I didn't buy this in hc, I bought it new from amazon in pb, and was glad to have it. Indeed, i have already read aloud from it ("Handicap", "What I tell librarians", and "Smut Talk") and I've owned it only a couple of weeks. -DES Talk 03:53, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Exiles at the Well of Souls/Quest for the Well of Souls

I checked these and my versions have appendix references. Exiles has one. Quest has two. Does your version? Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:09, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

All the versions have them, I just felt that they were part of the story and not worth mentioning.Kraang 00:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Bill said much the same about Timemaster. I think I understand the viewpoints. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 11:43, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Downtiming the ?

I need to understand the title on Downtiming the Nightside Jack L Chalker on my title page. Yet my publications page has what appears as Night Side. I checked Amazon and ABE and they alternate it everywhere. What is the moderator reasoning? Most confused. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:55, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

The Tor edition has "Downtiming the Night Side" on cover, spine, title page and the clearest on the copyright page. The font and the way they have printed it makes it look like "Nightside". The Baen book is a bit less clear the cover, spine and copyright page are "Night Side" but the title page is clearly "Nightside". In this case I think it's clear that the authors intended chose was "Night Side" and the title page was printed that way by error. Also the Afterword in the Bean edition also spells it "Night Side" , signed and dated May 8, 1992 by Chalker. Hope the helps explain the title.Kraang 23:59, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I found that also, but so many references are one way or the other. I was hoping there might be some supreme source. Thanks, I understand a little of how to display letters and the spacing has to meet a visual standard. In other words, spacing between letters is not always the same. If it was the same you get real odd effects. Maybe this is what happened to Downtiming. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 11:42, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

The Dream Master by Zelazny

I've added the cover art and month of publication to your verified copy of this title. Date comes from the 1973 Ace third printing (which I state in the pub notes). MHHutchins 23:24, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

The cover is correct and if we can find enough of these dates for the early Ace books we should be able to fill in some of the other months were the numbers fall between known dates.Kraang 00:03, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Victory on Janus

I was working on reconciling MELVYL's Norton data with ours and noticed that your verified first Ace printing of Victory on Janus says "1968-00-00" and there is no comment in the Notes field re: the date. According to MELVYL, it would appear that the publication date is not printed in the book and had to be derived from a secondary source. They also state that it was published in March 1968. Does your copy have a publication date, by chance or, if not, do we want to change the date to 1968-03-00 and add a comment to Notes? Ahasuerus 02:38, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

That's correct no printed date. The first Ace book with a "G" I have dated for 1968 is 688 and the last is 766 so 703 would be place it nicely in March.Kraang 02:55, 12 July 2008 (UTC)Kraang 02:56, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, updated! Ahasuerus 02:59, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Sentinels of Space/ The Ultimate Invader

Sentinels of Space/ The Ultimate Invader and other Science-Fiction.
Sentinels from Space 179 pages, copyright 1953 by Eric Frank Russell.
magazine version copyright 1951 by Better Publications, Inc. 1951. starts page 5. xxxxxxxxx

The Ultimate Invader and other Science-Fiction.
copyright 1954 by Ace Books.
139 pages.

copyright acknowledgements:
Design for Great-Day (The Ultimate Invader) by Eric Frank Russell.
copyright 1953 by Love Romances Publications, Inc.

Alien Envoy by Malcolm Jameson.
copyright 1944 by Street & Smith Publications, Inc.

Dead City (The Malignant Marauder) by Murray Leinster.
copyright 1946 by Standard Magazines, Inc.

Bridgehead (The Temporal Transgressor) by Frank Belknap Long.
copyright 1944 by Street & Smith Publications, Inc.

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Contents page.

The Ultimate Invader by Eric Frank Russell pg 7.
The Alien Envoy by Malcolm Jameson pg 70.
The Malignant Marauder by Murray Leinster pg 88.
The Temporal Transgressor by Frank Belknap Long pg 115.
I have a copy and noticed that this will cause a lot of changes and that you did a catalog verification. Please advise. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 19:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I've added the page numbers and updated which title has which pages[4]. Is this this what you had in mind?Kraang 00:43, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Looks very good. Thank you. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:56, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

If the Stars Are Gods

Correct cover? (It's uploaded here, so feel free to overwrite with a better one.) BLongley 21:20, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Cover is correct, when I get a scanner I'll see if I can do some of my books. Can you send me a new publishers list the old one had 9362 names and we now have about 8500. I'm starting to run into lots of stuff that's already fixed(by you or me mostly). Thanks.Kraang 01:48, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Matheson's "When the waker sleeps"

Hello,

As you may have guessed I'm brand new here, and I don't really know how to do things.

I would think that Matheson's "When the waker sleeps" is the title most used, so it should be the parent, but if you think otherwise, I don't mind, as "The waker dreams" is the original title and both positions could be defended. I would be grateful if you did the change, as I'm quite busy just now - I'm using