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If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a COVER IMAGE or NOTES to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, please click HERE and add it to the bottom of the list. A link to the pub record would be appreciated. Once the pub has been reviewed, I'll remove your note from the list. Thanks. Ron (Rtrace)


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Histories of King Kelson - missing Appendices

There are three missing appendix titles in The Bishop's Heir, The King's Justice, and The Quest for Saint Camber. Would you mind if I add them? Phil 10:07, 1 January 2022 (EST)

No concerns at all. Please proceed. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 10:09, 1 January 2022 (EST)

Hejja Cover; cover art was re-used for Red Dust (1981), credited to Attila Hejja on SFE. --Username 13:11, 1 January 2022 (EST)

Thanks. Next time, it would be helpful to give the author of the other source or better yet, a link. We have several items with that title, as does SFE. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 17:08, 1 January 2022 (EST); I made an edit crediting where I found the artist's name; you're the PV so I thought before the edit was approved, which probably wouldn't be any time soon with the way things are going these days, I would let you know first to forestall the usual complaining about not checking with PV first before making any significant changes. Now that you've done it, I guess I can reject my edit, right? --Username 17:45, 1 January 2022 (EST)
You hadn't mentioned that you had submitted and edit. I did check the queue to see if there were edits to something called "Red Dust" but found none. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 17:50, 1 January 2022 (EST)

Saint Camber and Camber the Heretic

There five missing appendix titles in both Saint Camber and Camber the Heretic. Would you mind if I added them before I PV? Phil 14:40, 2 January 2022 (EST)

I wouldn't mind at all. Please proceed. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:05, 2 January 2022 (EST)

Katherine Kurtz missing component titles

Would you mind if I add the missing Appendix titles to the following books: The Harrowing of Gwynedd, King Javan's Year, The Bastard Prince, and In the King's Service? I also want to remove the "Volume III of the Heirs of Saint Camber" portion of the the title for this pub of The Bastard Prince to match current ISFDB standards. Thanks! Phil 11:25, 3 January 2022 (EST)

That's fine. Please proceed. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 11:54, 3 January 2022 (EST)

St. Patrick's Gargoyle

Would you mind if I add the missing Afterword on page 231 of St. Patrick's Gargoyle? Phil 08:51, 4 January 2022 (EST)

I wouldn't mind at all. Please add it. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 09:26, 4 January 2022 (EST)

Lightspeed, June 2015 Special Issue

Hi, Ron. You and I have verified two versions of Lightspeed Issue 61 I'd like to figure out and document what's different about the "Limited Edition" that was distributed at the 2016 Locus Awards. The only difference in our listings are (1) the page count (426 vs 440), (2) "Limited Edition" on the cover of my PV'd, and (3) my pub note about full-color illustrations. Please confirm whether your copy has color illustrations (e.g., in the Artists Gallery), and whether it actually has 14 more page after page 426. If it does have more pages, what's on them? Thanks. Markwood 17:26, 9 January 2022 (EST)

Hi Markwood
The page count for my copy is using the method for counting the number of pages for magazines. See the opening paragraph here, "For magazines, the rule is to use the actual page count - including the cover." The last numbered page is 422 with 10 pages after counting the cover as pages. Before page 1, there are 8 additional pages, including the cover. That's how I got to 440. The Artists Gallery in mine is in black and white. I've actually got an audio version of this issue as well, which I really should add. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:01, 9 January 2022 (EST)

From the Earth to the Moon and All Around the Moon

You verified this pub against Reginald1/3 and OCLC. The format is given as HC, but OCLC doesn't support or deny this. The other book in the publisher series is tp and a contemporary Burroughs book has a catalogue at the back which states it is paperbound. Any problems if I change this format to 'tp'? ../Doug H 10:27, 14 January 2022 (EST)

That's fine. Reginald has it as paper. I must have missed it when verifying. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 10:35, 14 January 2022 (EST)

Ring Shout

Hi Ron,

I am about to verify the hardcover of this one and as you have verified the audiobook, I have a few questions:

There is no comma after the "or" on the title page (and Or should start with a capital letter after that ":". I'd think as all subtitles)
Where is the subtitle coming in the audiobook from? There is no title page, the cover does not have it. If they read it as part of the intro, that should be in the notes IMO...

What do you think? Annie 11:17, 14 January 2022 (EST)

First, this isn't precisely a subtitle, but rather an alternate title. And the it is read that way at the beginning of the audio book. There was --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 16:56, 17 January 2022 (EST)this discussion a while back. I standardize alternate titles much like we do with subtitles with the following format: <Main Title>; or, <Alternate Title>. Anecdotally, this is how I see them most often reflected in printed works. Of course, with an audio book, you can't hear the punctuation. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:04, 14 January 2022 (EST)
Looks like a subtitle to me on the hardcover and there is no punctuation anywhere on that page... :) But either works so I will add some notes and leave it as is for now. I'd also add a note in the audio book that "The alternative title is not printed on the cover but is read at the beginning o the recording". Any objections? Annie 12:12, 14 January 2022 (EST)
No objections. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:06, 14 January 2022 (EST)

Laver; Not the same guy as the old horror/ghost writer, but this guy: Also, the cover image seems to be dead. --Username 15:42, 16 January 2022 (EST)

Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 16:56, 17 January 2022 (EST)

Susan's Demon Cat; You recently added these 2 novels, and a note that Reginald says the later novel is a retitling of the earlier. It says on the cover of the later novel "previously published as Demon Cat" (easier to see on Goodreads' copy), so it is a retitling. --Username 11:15, 17 January 2022 (EST)

The note actually says that Reginald only suggests a new title by virtue of the assigned numbers. He usually explicitly states "retitled" which was not done in this case. Regardless, I've made the variant relationship. You could have done that yourself. I also included that it was per the cover in the moderator notes. Thanks for finding the relationship. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 16:56, 17 January 2022 (EST)
Yes, I could have done it, but first, 1 of the few things I'm not good at here is varianting, as I've mentioned many times, and second, I didn't want to hear the usual complaining about changing info without checking with other editors first. If you'd uploaded a better cover, like the one on Goodreads, the info about "previously published as" would have been clear. Also, don't forget to sign your messages. --Username 18:08, 17 January 2022 (EST)

J. Brian Clarke death date

This tweet says he died on Dec 17th, not Jan 17th. I don't know how reliable they are, and/or how likely they are to have made a typo, but I did note that all the other reports that I'd seen (example) don't give an exact date. As such, I'm loathe to alter your edit - it seems a bit odd that his death wouldn't become public knowledge until exactly a month later - but did you have a source with an exact date? ErsatzCulture 10:55, 18 January 2022 (EST)

EDIT: I see Locus has Jan 17th, so it seems more likely that Twitter account made a mistake ErsatzCulture 11:08, 18 January 2022 (EST)
I saw it on File 770, but they didn't have the date. I did search and found it on Locus. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:46, 18 January 2022 (EST)
Thanks - I'll take this as an object lesson in researching things thoroughly before hassling people on their talk pages :-) ErsatzCulture 14:16, 18 January 2022 (EST)
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