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See [User talk: Bluesman/Archive 12] for February 2015/September 2015 discussions.

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See [User talk: Bluesman/Archive 15] for Feb 2017/ October 2017 discussions.



Iceworld: my copy matches this record apart from the copyright page which states “Printed in Canada” (Back cover states “Cover printed in the U.S.A.”). Does this indicate a Canadian issue (the price just says 95c) or is it just that some copies were actually printed in Canada? --AndyjMo 12:24, 30 October 2017 (EDT)

Most definitely a Canadian edition and should have a separate record. During the period when publishers were required to print in Canada if they wanted to sell here [which ended early 90s?], most still printed the covers in the US. Some, Pocket books for example, did print the covers here as well but only for a short period in the early 80s. Before dual pricing often the only way to tell an edition meant for Canada would be a price difference from the US edition. --~ Bill, Bluesman 13:49, 1 November 2017 (EDT)

The Death Master

Cover art of The Death Master is probably not by Paul Lehr, I'd rather say it's in the style of Jack Faragasso, see Secret of the Red Spot or When the Sky Burned (Popular Library 1974!). Horzel 09:01, 1 November 2017 (EDT)

There are similarities but one main difference: Faragasso almost always had main figures in his work and I can't recall him doing the 'miniature mob' figures that were in almost every Lehr work. Maybe they collaborated on this one??¿¿?? ;-)) --~ Bill, Bluesman 13:57, 1 November 2017 (EDT)
There's another row of figures on Alien Earth and Other Stories. Lehr's small figures nearly always have highlights on the top of their heads. Faragasso's don't have that. At the moment we can't prove that the cover of The Death Master is by either Lehr or Faragasso. Horzel 09:06, 3 November 2017 (EDT)
True. Removed the credit/amended the notes. --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:22, 6 November 2017 (EST)

The Best SF Stories from New Worlds #2

Cover artist of this is Paul Lehr, see In de oceaan van de nacht. Horzel 09:23, 1 November 2017 (EDT)

Good find! Updated. --~ Bill, Bluesman 13:52, 1 November 2017 (EDT)

Stories by Roald Dahl

I am changing "The Surgeon" to non-genre (the synopsis is: "An original idea for how to hide a diamond goes wrong when it is accidentally swallowed. Luckily the rightful owner is a surgeon"). I am notifying you because it is in an issue of Playboy that you verified. Likewise the April 1974 issue contains the nongenre story "The Great Switcheroo." and The Stakes Are High contains "Taste." --Vasha 16:04, 5 November 2017 (EST)

Soldier Ask Not

Cover artist of this is indeed Enric, according to p27 of S.I. Una agència artística a Barcelona (1981) as can be seen on Youtube (from about 1:20 minutes). Horzel 07:01, 6 November 2017 (EST)

I'm scratching my head ... how on earth would you even come across something like that??¿¿?? --~ Bill, Bluesman 11:25, 7 November 2017 (EST)
To spoil the mystery: First I was looking for the cover artist of Swords Against Darkness IV and V. Looking at other cover artists for Zebra and that time period I surmised Luis Bermejo was the culprit. Googling for him I found proof at Searching a bit more on that site I came upon above mentioned publication about Selecciones Ilustradas, Spain's main illustrator's agency of the 1970s. And googling for that book title I found the Youtube link. I already knew other cases where art books are leafed through on Youtube (start at, so I decided to take a look. Horzel 09:23, 8 November 2017 (EST)
It is amazing sometimes how one search can unearth something completely different. I think the list of sites I keep just for art/artists was generated largely from serendipitous encounters exactly like the one you just described. Thanks! --~ Bill, Bluesman 15:17, 9 November 2017 (EST)

Galaxy's Edge Magazine, Issue 23, November 2016

The short story on page 51 should be spelled "Time and Not Space" - This correction comes from the primary source. In reading related wiki entries, I get the impression that I should notify the primary verifier rather than make the change myself (new to editing isfdb, though I have used it as a resource for several years). If I have the procedure wrong, I would appreciate the guidance. Daffodil11 01:08, 7 November 2017 (EST)

If it's just a minor typo, as in this case, I have no problem with the change just being done as it will show up on the recently instituted Changes to My Primary Verifications page. Different editors/Moderators have different thresholds for the data they like to be involved with prior to any changes. Quite a few, myself included, have given a rough guideline of the types of things they like/don't like to know about at the top of their Talk pages [usually highlighted]. If no preference is there, then notify first and you'll usually find out if it's something that editor/Mod needed/wanted to know. There are quite a few editors who are no longer active. It's rare for someone to come back after an absence of several years. So, inevitably you'll come across something that's wrong/different in a record with either no PV or one/two who just aren't going to respond. If you're really in doubt as to the change being proper, you could then post on the Moderator Noticeboard/Community Portal and there is always the Note to Moderator at the bottom of each editing window where you can give reasons for the change. Unfortunately with the last that means only one set of eyes will see the edit. Of course the opposite can happen where there might be 5/6/7 active PVs on a record. I usually pick the one who's most active and leave one message, then post on the other PV's pages pointing them to that message. Better than leaving 5/6/7 identical messages and having 5/6/7 conversations when one central one serves best. Just keep in mind that the contributors here are spread all across the globe, so response times can vary. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 11:21, 7 November 2017 (EST)

German 1968 edition / printing of Fahrenheit 451

Hi, Bill! It seems there is a double entry for this book, see here and here. Heyne Science Fiction & Fantasy at that time was a sub-series of Heyne Bücher, but as the latter was a series for all kinds of books and the publisher listed them later as part of the first series, we take that name. It seems better if you move the secondary verifications and we delete the recently added publication, or do you think otherwise? Christian Stonecreek 04:32, 11 November 2017 (EST)

Good catch. Deleted the new entry. --~ Bill, Bluesman 13:07, 11 November 2017 (EST)

The Return of the Shadow

Hi, I've imported content for your verified copy of The Return of the Shadow.--Dirk P Broer 05:14, 17 November 2017 (EST)

Ralf Hiemisch vs Ralf Heimisch vs Ralf Heimlisch

Hi, in your verified copy of The Best Time Travel Stories of All Time you give the cover art credit to Ralf Hiemisch as per copyright page, while you state that the name on the back cover is Ralf Heimlisch. There is yet another name to consider: Ralf Heimisch, to whom Locus also gives the credtits here.--Dirk P Broer 06:49, 18 November 2017 (EST)

The spellings in the record/notes are as on/in the book. At least two of the three spellings are obviously incorrect [Heimlisch for sure]. Locus is not a good source for artist names. They regularize everything and if the first time this name was entered was wrong, it can get perpetuated. It's quite possible all of the records were originally copied from Locus. There are so few credits ... directly contacting ibooks would probably be the only way to pick a canonical. --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:52, 19 November 2017 (EST)

Ten Great Mysteries by Edgar Allan Poe

I have a copy of this verified publication of yours and submitted some changes. Apart from minor tweaks like capitalization and a note about the editor, the significant changes were: 1. Your copy was a 24th printing and mine a 10th. But all data was the same, so I made it a combined record. You had given the date as 1989, the copyright date; I changed that to 0000-00-00 and stated that this is a record for undated later printings. 2. Each story begins with a two-page spread, usually having a title and illustration on the left-hand page and the start of the story text on the right, though sometimes the illustration extends across both pages or the story begins on the left. The table of contents consistently gives the number of the right-hand page; I entered the numbers of the left-hand pages here, as the help says to do.

--Vasha 15:16, 19 November 2017 (EST)

And I rejected it. Different printing means different record. The Help pages say nothing about artwork having precedence over text for the start of a story. As for the date, the price is consistent with 1989 and without another printing to compare there was no way to know when it was printed. Since your tenth has the same copyright I'll change the record for the 24th to 0000. These are the kind of nearly wholesale changes that should be discussed first, not later. --~ Bill, Bluesman 15:26, 19 November 2017 (EST)
OK, fair cop. I'll create another record for the 10th printing and do it the way you describe.
On an unrelated matter, I think "Taking Horse" in Rembrandt's Hat should be "Talking Horse." --Vasha 16:21, 19 November 2017 (EST)
Good catch. Changed. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:27, 19 November 2017 (EST)

Washington Irving

In your verified publication Rip Van Winkle; The Legend of Sleepy Hollow and Other Stories you have "The Stage Coach" and "The Boar's Head Tavern" as essays. But other variants are in the DB as short fiction. Which do you really think they are? Could you please change one or the other and variant them? --Vasha 17:54, 19 November 2017 (EST)

The versions in the Easton Press edition are essays. I can't speak to whether the ones in other editions are the same. Both might be looked at as stories but are true accounts. The 'Stage Coach' his trip that sets up the three Christmas anecdotes that follow. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:14, 19 November 2017 (EST)
The others aren't verified so I suggest changing them to essay. I'm sure they're the same. Also there are a lot of items in that volume that should be marked non-genre. Only "Rip Van Winkle," "Sleepy Hollow" and "The Spectre Bridegroom" are genre (plus "The Mutability of Literature" is an essay in the form of a conversation with a talking book). Could you take care of it please, since you're the verifier? --Vasha 18:41, 19 November 2017 (EST)


Hi Bill, sorry to bug you, but do you have your copy of Warrior anywhere you can get at it? (The other verifier has theirs in storage.)

First, on a minor matter, could you check if the "o'" in the title of "Ford o' Kabul River" is printed uppercase or lowercase there? Since that particular preposition is not on the list of standardized prepositions, a moderator wants to put it in the database "as written."

The title is all-caps everywhere.

Secondly, I am sure that that poem and "Epitaph on an Army of Mercenaries" are non-genre and would like to mark them as such. Can you identify any other non-genre items in this anthology? Thanks. --Vasha 15:57, 20 November 2017 (EST)

I find poetry impossible to categorize. I don't think the terms genre/non-genre even apply. --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:28, 23 November 2017 (EST)

Operation Ares

User Horzel found proof of the cover artist of Operation Ares (Paul Lehr as we suspected). I added the credit and a note about the source. --Willem 15:11, 23 November 2017 (EST)

Gracias! --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:06, 23 November 2017 (EST)

Spacehawk, Inc

Spacehawk, Inc; after a query from a Moderator and posting a question on the Help pages it has been agreed that the page number of the drawing at the front of the book should be 2 – without the square brackets. The actual novel starts at Page 5 so square brackets would only be applied if the drawing was more than 4 pages before that. --AndyjMo 12:11, 27 November 2017 (EST)

The [x] designation simply notes the page is not numbered. Has nothing to do with anything else. There are literally thousands of records which use that method, not only for content which precedes numbered pages but for that which comes after [think excerpts/author notes/appendices/etc]. The 'invention' of a page number [which removing the [ ] does] is simply inaccurate. --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:59, 27 November 2017 (EST)

The Ethics of Madness" (excerpt)

Would you mind checking out From "The Ethics of Madness" (excerpt) and "The Ethics of Madness" (excerpt)? They are varianted to each other, but one is an essay and the other shortfiction. They appear in different editions of the same publication & you have verified both. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:04, 29 November 2017 (EST)

'Shortfiction' an error. Changed that one. --~ Bill, Bluesman 13:08, 29 November 2017 (EST)

Wizardry and Wild Romance

Hi, could you please check whether the cover artist of this is really given as Rodney Mathews with a single t ? Horzel 17:32, 29 November 2017 (EST)

Indeed, one 't' only. I'll do the variant. Good catch! --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:41, 29 November 2017 (EST)

A Noose of Light

Cover artist of this is Mark Harrison, see Dreamlands, p78. Horzel 05:51, 4 December 2017 (EST)

Okay, I guess .... pointing me to a book I don't own and for which the four editions we list none have contents - really helps [;-)))]. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:44, 4 December 2017 (EST)
Sorry. Contents will be added in the near future. Horzel 04:34, 5 December 2017 (EST)

The Men Inside

Cover artist found for this pub. SKI-FFY credites David Bergen here. --Zapp 08:19, 10 December 2017 (EST)

Ah, blogs .... I did some searching and that posting refers to an earlier one which gives no source for the credit. It wasn't posted by the artist, which I personally think is the only time a one-source credit should be enough. --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:33, 12 December 2017 (EST)

Galaxy Magazine, November-December 1972

The cover artist of this is not Brian Boyle, but Gerald Wood, his signature G.WOOD- (compare to Thongor in the City of Magicians is vertically at the right margin, best visible on the UK edition at ISFDB. Brian Boyle is probably the studio owner, see Brian Boyle Studio. (Some of the other Brian Boyle cover art may be the work of Gerald Wood too, but I can't prove that.) Horzel 08:24, 13 December 2017 (EST)

Corrected this one, so it's a start. I wish we had never begun crediting companies/businesses with artwork. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:41, 13 December 2017 (EST)

Galaxy Magazine, September-October 1972

The cover artist of this is not Brian Boyle, but Philip Castle, see Sorceress of the Witch World. Horzel 08:24, 13 December 2017 (EST)

Corrected. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:41, 13 December 2017 (EST)

Confusing cover artist's credit

I found three verified pubs with the same cover image but different artists credited:
- American Science Fiction: Five Classic Novels 1956-1958 which states "Jacket illustration: Richard M. Powers" (over) "Jacket design: Archie Ferguson" printed on the back flap of the dustjacket,
- A Plague of Pythons (Jane Frank erroneously credits Richard Powers but the original painting has Brillhart's signature on it),
- and A Plague of Pythons (The artist is not credited, no visible signature, six times verified).
What shall I do against verifications? --Zapp 13:16, 13 December 2017 (EST)

Already fixed. Embedded the same note re original painting in the other two records. Good find! --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:25, 13 December 2017 (EST)
Thanks.  ;) --Zapp 01:55, 14 December 2017 (EST)


I have only been updating isfdb for just over a year and therefore I am very new to the procedures. I only 'learn' when someone tells me that I have not entered data correctly. It is sometimes difficult when one Moderator lets an update go through without comment and then another time a similar update gets rejected. However I have never complained about what is right and what is wrong. But....I did take offense to the tone of the comment made on my update to this record:

"LCCN: 74-186649" is not what's on the copyright page, it has Library of Congress Catalog Card Number which is not the same. If you used "xx" what's between the quotes has to match what's there otherwise you're not quoting anything [and please don't start using the whole mouthful ...... the datum is irrelevant enough]. Not everything on the copyright page HAS to go in the notes.

Now I understand how you like the data to be presented I will attempt to follow your rules. But please don't jump down my throat every time I step out of line. --AndyjMo 06:11, 14 December 2017 (EST)

There was no 'tone' intended, nor any intimation of 'stepping out of line'. If there was the comments would have been on your talk page, not just a quick note in a record change. And, I hasten to add, such would have been out of place if there was any 'tone' meant. No Mod has every book listed, so edits that look okay can easily get accepted [if the 'system' didn't work that way edits would remain in the queue for an unacceptably long time], even if not accurate. Using "quotes" HAS to be accurate, that's all I was pointing out. Leaving the external ID # in the note just invites someone doing clean-up on same to put it in the Field, when it refers to a totally different edition, hence the word 'irrelevant'. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:44, 14 December 2017 (EST)

Cover art for US Perry Rhodan

Hello, Bill! While adding newer versions of the German magazines it dawned upon me that some of the US covers credited to Johnny Bruck were really painted by someone else (and were re-used for those German versions). Here is an example: This has the original 1961 cover by Bruck, while this is a repainting from 1971, which was re-used in 1973 here for a German re-issue of the novella: note the differences in the faces and the background. (Sometime earlier we had a related theme with the repainting for Perry Rhodan #12: The Rebels of Tuglan). Well, the thing is that I think it's possible that interior artist Sandy Huffaker might be also the cover artist. Could you take a look if there's anything that could foundate this (for example a remark in an editorial, or similarities in style)? If you like to do this, it'd be greatly appreciated. Thanks, and have a good rest of 2017, and an even better start for 2018! Christian Stonecreek 12:09, 30 December 2017 (EST)

I do think both covers [11/12] are by the same artist but the interior art for 11 isn't really like either cover. The pieces credited to Huffaker have much blockier faces than the covers and the spacesuit helmets are radically different [there's not much else to go on as pencil sketches and paintings really can't be compared]. Belated Xmas cheer! Can't wait for a new year ... over a week straight of -25 to -35 temps is getting to be a little much! --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:33, 30 December 2017 (EST)
Oh yes, the great cold in the USA is a theme that has made it into the evening news over here. Better to stay inside or go out packed into something really warm!
Not in the US! I live in mid-northern Alberta, so the temps are no surprise, just the duration. --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:58, 30 December 2017 (EST)
Thanks for taking a look: the investigation sorted out the covers for US #s 10-12 that were mutually altered and swapped, which would be the issues Huffaker was involved in. As the style for those issues also differs from Bruck's, maybe the credit could be removed? See (or better: read) you next year! Christian Stonecreek 12:41, 30 December 2017 (EST)
I'll remove the credit from #11 as I can link to the original you've provided. Can you do #10? --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:58, 30 December 2017 (EST)
Sure! And ........ done! Christian Stonecreek 14:02, 30 December 2017 (EST)

Perry Rhodan #13: The Immortal Unknown

The catalog number on this record is listed as 65882, but my first printing ($0.60 cover price) has 65982, as does the cover image included in this record. Could you check your copy when you get a chance? Many thanks, Ldb001 16:20, 4 January 2018 (EST)

Indeed! Corrected. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:54, 5 January 2018 (EST)

Burroughs - multiple changes

I'm going through my Burroughs collection and some notes from another collector and updating a number of Burroughs books. It seems that there are some ACE editions that have variations that differ in some combination of publisher address and/or advertisements. Where I own one of these variations, I am making a note of it in the publication and telling verifiers. I've been posting in your verifications page without asking you to check because I know that it may take me a while to get through all of these and thought a 'batched' request to check your copies would be more efficient. If you've another preference, please let me know. Doug H 10:10, 9 January 2018 (EST)

Mixed reactions to the notes. There is a slight chance of the two earliest editions you noted having copies with the 23 West 47th Street address [Ace moved right at that time and a later number in the DBLs still had it] but I would think after 55 years at least one copy would have surfaced. Ace did some odd things with reprints but really nothing after the late 70s, at least nothing to do with logos or addresses or ads [number lines is another story] so I think the notes you've added for later dates really do nothing to differentiate them from any other printing that the existing notes don't provide. And once Ace switched to the three-numbered ads in 1978 [away from the 7, 7A, 7B, etc. format], they are quite useless for anything as they are virtually not datable. While a 'rumor' might have been the impetus for the first two the rest are 'just-in-case' which I don't think is justifiable. I have very large spread-sheets for Ace, noting every ad [numbered or not], dates, etc. from the earliest to 1978 [covers maybe 1,000 editions] and I also have a copy of Stuart Wells' Ace notebook that he sent me a few years ago. So, I'm not just making this stuff up. And there are constant discoveries of more Ace 'weirdness' all the time ... just when you think you've got hem cornered ...  ;-))) --~ Bill, Bluesman 13:50, 9 January 2018 (EST)
The other collector I mentioned is writing a book on Burroughs paperback editions and has passed me an early copy. I understand he has either got, seen or has images of all the versions of which he speaks. I've found some errors and versions he was missing (often Canadian copies of Ballantine), so would not take it as gospel. To avoid conflict, I am only updating ISFDB with what I have copies of and simply noting the things for which he says they differ from another version. He has gone so far as to note variations in size, edge colouring and the inclusion of single page insert ads (generally for cigarettes), which I have ignored as they are mechanical and not content related.
While Ace is not very good at keeping track of which printing they are on, there are times that the variations make things work. For example in "At the Earth's Core", 03328 is flagged by Ace as "Thirteenth Printing", which actually works out if you count both variations of F-156 and 03324. And I actually have both variations of three of his other examples - I Am a Barbarian (35804 15J vs. 16J), The Lad and the Lion (46872 ERB ads vs. non-ERB ads which don't have "This Ace Printing: August 1978" that the 3rd variant has), and The Rider (72280 ERB ads vs. Frazetta poster ads). I mean who collects multiple copies of what they think are the same book.
Given his singular focus on a few books (two publishers, 70-ish titles) that are highly collected by (ERB) fanatics, he might have run across some things not noticed by broader collectors. He could certainly benefit in understanding what he has from the broader collections (he has no concept of dating based on the ads, he just lists them under each publication and provides a [non-indexed] list at the end). I'd be happy to pass on any references you care to make.
There will come a point when I will 'publish' my Ace findings [most likely a posting/page here]. The spread-sheets are simply too large to be functional in their current form. It's something I dabble at when time/motivation coincides. If your collector friend gives you the pertinent data, no reason why you don't enter records for same.
I think this person expects to publish a paper book to sell and I don't want to be perceived as undermining his possible revenue by distributing his information for free. So for now, I will use my collection and insights I've gained from his material. Maybe when you publish your Ace stuff, I'll correlate it to what he has. And let you know about any surprises. ;-P -- Doug H 15:36, 9 January 2018 (EST)
My four questions for you now are: (1) Are such variations be worth documenting if they existed?
Yes, absolutely and yes as a separate record with notes explaining the differences in each record. That's already happened many times with Ace [Heinlein comes to mind].
(2) Would they simply be notes under the publication with the same catalog code or separate publications? (3) Does it hurt to document things that might make a difference in differentiating such variations, given it's my time and a few bytes but might tweak someone into checking their copy and (4) if you answer doesn't dissuade me from carrying on, do you still want to be notified? Doug H 14:52, 9 January 2018 (EST)
No, if the variations are real and not just maybes; yes to notifications as it's Ace - what collector wouldn't!! I would never put in a supposed difference just for an unverified edition [you noted one re: Locus, they often got copies that were never printed in the form received]. I also wouldn't put in things that don't help to differentiate - you noted a logo and an address in one example [1980?] when the logo had been unchanged since 1978. Anything that has real differences on the copyright page is always going to get a separate record anyway, no matter how true/false the data may be [number lines that miss every lettered edition, for instance]. --~ Bill, Bluesman 15:14, 9 January 2018 (EST)
The example you cite was for Pellucidar #65855, for which there are two versions - one from 1978 and one from 1982 - as documented in the printing history on the copyright page. Are you suggesting that with that one clear indicator, it is unnecessary to document the other differences - the logo on the cover is the only visible difference there, the address on the title page is another and the UPC code on the back cover? Doug H 15:36, 9 January 2018 (EST)
Yes, quite unnecessary because the copyright page differences are all we need to document that there is a difference. Prices take care of themselves, whether there's a UPC or not becomes irrelevant if the year on the copyright page is different. We do so with quite a bit less than that already [number lines in otherwise identical editions]. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:03, 9 January 2018 (EST)
Perfect example in the last edit accepted. Note just gives Ace's address, no explanation of why it's there, note to Moderator says there might be an edition with NO printing history. What will a rookie editor see? "Oh, I should add the address of the publisher to the notes", as the reason for it is not given in the record. And if there is an edition with no printing history, every other thing could be the same and it would still get a separate record because of the printing/no printing history difference. You have to be careful what you start as rookies can run with things for the vaguest reasons. After 10 years I try to block some of the ones I've seen out [some were quite funny but the newbies don't always see it that way ...].  :-))) --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:19, 9 January 2018 (EST)

[unindent] I'm holding off on variations where I don't have both. Affects only Ace. I'll let you know when I'm done.

Added the ads to verified Return of the Mucker and added a new version with a different set of ads. You may need to switch your verification. Doug H 10:57, 15 January 2018 (EST)
Added the ads and address to your verified I Am a Barbarian and added a new version with different values. Doug H 11:19, 15 January 2018 (EST)
Added the specific ads to your verified The Lad and the Lion, to distinguish it from one I added here. Your notes were clear enough that I'm sure of your version. There is a third version here that we've both verified but has printing information the other two lack. There is an unverified fourth entry here that could be either of the versions with no history or a valid fourth. I suspect it's redundant but I'm not sure how to proceed. Any suggestions? Doug H 11:42, 15 January 2018 (EST) [P.S. This sounds familiar, if I'm repeating myself from your verification page, my apologies]
The dated one needs to stay. The notes re Locus note "Third Printing" [not correct, but that's what it says] and they don't put that if it's not there. The image is wrong though, should have the 'pointed' logo that was in use from 10/78 until 7/87. Haven't found one though. There's only one copy on Abe specific to 1982 and it uses a stock image. --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:05, 15 January 2018 (EST)
The one I added here has the pointed logo, but I had no idea of date. Should it be 'merged' with the unverified one with the date of 1982-06-00 here?Doug H 14:05, 15 January 2018 (EST)
Just substitute the cover, though with the address change noted [Ace only moved to the Park Avenue address in Mar/Apr '78, highly unlikely they moved again in the same year] the 1982 date may be closer to the one you verified. I haven't gotten into any address searching beyond 1978 as most Ace editions have some date or number line past then. So can't as yet narrow down when they moved to Madison. Definitely the earliest it could be printed was October 1978. --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:14, 15 January 2018 (EST)
Added the ad to your verified version of The Rider to distinguish it from a new version. Doug H 11:59, 15 January 2018 (EST)

Update completed (aside from the pair you're holding). Please check when you're able. No notification required. Thanks. Doug H 13:54, 15 January 2018 (EST)

Just waiting on one more email reply for those two. There were three Abe listings that had 1982 but two so far are warehousers who never look at anything. Without some source for the date both those records should be 0000-00 and both can't be eighth printings. --~ Bill, Bluesman 13:59, 15 January 2018 (EST)

The Blue Fairy Book submissions

I think you misread what I was submitting. I was either linking the story to the original or adding the original like the Norwegian stories. I know Andrew Lang was is the editor of the Fairy Books and was only responsible for a few stories like The Terrible Head. I don't know if things can be moved from rejected, I'm still figuring out how things work. If they can't be reconsidered I will resubmit. Any more questions please post to my talk page.Loviatar 01:23, 10 January 2018 (EST)

I know what the edits were for and I rejected them because the basic data is flawed. Andrew Lang should never have been given sole authorship credit for the stories in the first place. He certainly didn't write Rumplestilskin for example. Even if he considerably re-wrote [modernized?] some of them at best he could be considered a co-author. The whole page for Lang needs to be re-visited, as all the Fairy books are likely anthologies, not collections, and there's no way all the stories attributed to him should be. I looked at the contents page for the Blue Fairy and there wasn't one story that didn't have a credit from another source [there is an Amazon Look-Inside for a later edition]. And no, once rejected an edit can't be 'resurrected'. Since the data was flawed there seemed no point to just Hold them as they would have needed to be rejected anyway. --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:34, 11 January 2018 (EST)

I've been trying to correct the original entries with varying luck. Seems to depend on the moderator. Anyways I enjoy the research so I'll try again soon. I have the whole Fairy Boo series so there's lots to do. Thanks.Loviatar 18:51, 16 January 2018 (EST)

I tried to "update" some entries in the Blue Fairy Book(like The Bronze Ring) only to get rejected. Apparently the Fairy Book series is up for for discussion as to story credit. I'd appreciate your input as I feel like I'm banging my head against a wall sometimes! It didn't seem to matter if I added the wikipedia pages for the stories that stated where they came from as well. As I posted before, I have the whole series so I'll gladly update the entries if I can get the ok. Thanks.Loviatar 02:55, 26 January 2018 (EST)

Tried to find that discussion but no luck. Where is it? --~ Bill, Bluesman 10:23, 26 January 2018 (EST)
Bill, it is hiding in The Help Desk. Annie 13:10, 26 January 2018 (EST)

The Land That Time Forgot

Added Lin Carter's Foreword to the content of this pub, although more for consistency than liking for Lin Carter. Doug H 21:51, 11 January 2018 (EST)

The Mad King

I've added the interior art mentioned in the Notes to the Content in this pub for consistency with other editions. Doug H 17:44, 13 January 2018 (EST)

The Lad and the Lion Cover Artist

I think the credit for the cover artist of The Lad and the Lion may be incorrect. Could you please chime in on this discussion. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:42, 29 January 2018 (EST)

The Lad and the Lion (different question about a different cover)

I've got another question about a different cover for The Lad and the Lion. I've started a discussion on Don's talk page. Please chime in if you have any information. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:55, 10 February 2018 (EST)


The pub lists Martin H. Greenburg as co-editor, but I don't see his name on the title page or cover. It is listed on the LOC notification on the preceding page. Which takes precedent? The locus entry also lists him, but I see that other entries do not. Thanks TAWeiss 21:24, 18 February 2018 (EST)

These types definitely challenge the usual criterion "If it ain't on the title page, it ain't there!" But what else can we do? He's given official credit twice in the CIP data. If his involvement was from a secondary source, it's a different matter. Can't list it as by Silverberg and then variant it to by Silverberg / Greenberg, that would be ridiculous as to do so we'd still have to create a record with him credited - so what would be the point? Makes one wonder why Greenberg wasn't on the title page ... ? I can't think of any 'good' way to do it but then after a night's sleep ... who knows. --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:16, 19 February 2018 (EST)
I just decided to put the details in the note section. TAWeiss 08:29, 28 February 2018 (EST)

Letters from Atlantis

Hi, Bill! I have the German edition at hand, it corresponds to the original edition (except it's a paperback). Judging from the length of the text and the many illustrations I'd think that this is a SHORTFICTION (novella) (instead of a NOVEL). What are your feelings? Christian Stonecreek 17:06, 22 February 2018 (EST)

Hmmmm, take out the illustrations, all the blank and half-blank pages, pares down to about 115 pages of 32 lines/page @ 10 words per line [not a loquacious book] and one gets maybe 37,000 words. Not much doubt! Feel free to diminish the status ... ! ;-)) --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:06, 22 February 2018 (EST)
Many thanks for looking at the book, Bill. I'll transform the title and the publications accordingly. Christian Stonecreek 03:55, 23 February 2018 (EST)
As I saw that in your verified publication that the illustrations are only copyrighted to Byron Preiss Visual Publications, Inc. and not credited, shall I supply a desription? There are four b & w illustrations, maybe pencil drawings in my copy, and all are somewhat 'romantic', as Gould's style is described in some sources. They are copyrighted in the same way but also credited. 1. seems to be the King of Atlantis looking into a mirror; 2. is the Royal Observatory in the foreground, divided by a string of water from the source of spheres and more land; 3. has the old King in the foreground with Prince Ram behind him; and 4. shows Prince Ram looking from a roof garden towards the observatory. Hope that helps. Christian Stonecreek 11:28, 23 February 2018 (EST)
If your edition credits them, sure. I wouldn't give each of the four its own 'title', though, we do too much of that with interior art. --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:40, 23 February 2018 (EST)
Well, it's obviously up to you if you want to add them. I only gave the descriptions so you could be pretty sure that the artwork is the same. Christian Stonecreek 01:46, 24 February 2018 (EST)

The Essential Ellison: A 50-Year Retrospective

This pub has two duplicate cover art records. Is this intentional or a database error? There is not a pub note stating there is multiple artwork and no cover image so wasn't sure if it was different from the other editions that only have one cover record or not. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:51, 1 March 2018 (EST)

Actually the back cover is different artwork, which I'll embed in the notes. For some reason I didn't scan it when I entered the edition. For now I just removed the second artwork as it was titled incorrectly. Thanks for picking this up! --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:01, 1 March 2018 (EST)

One question concerning an item in Extreme Metaphors

Hello Bill! The reason is a doubt about the joint identity of Thomas Frick, who has done one interview for this work of nonfiction. There is a recent piece of shortfiction by perhaps another Thomas Frick, who was born in East Germany (and thus seems a bit unlikely to have conducted such an interview in 1984). So, could you look up if there's any biographical information on him in the book? Christian Stonecreek 04:44, 3 March 2018 (EST)

Nothing other than the publication of the original interview in "The Paris Review 94, Winter 1984". --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:08, 3 March 2018 (EST)
Thanks for taking a look, Bill. I guess it's just more likely that these are different people, since Frick is a relatively common surname. Christian Stonecreek 13:23, 3 March 2018 (EST)

Witch World (map)

Should Witch World (map) be INTERIORART instead of NOVEL? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:46, 4 March 2018 (EST)

And should The Old World (map) be INTERIORART instead of ESSAY? -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:48, 4 March 2018 (EST)
And now they are. I'm sure Jack would have been tickled to be an author, even just for a while. ;-) --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:50, 5 March 2018 (EST)

Thunderbirds: Operation Asteroids

Bill, just letting you know there's an image of the whole hardcover up at if you want to use that instead for this rarity. Cheers. PeteYoung 09:27, 16 March 2018 (EDT)

Thanks, but it's a pretty blurry image. Checked AbeBooks and two sellers had ones with the jackets and images, so it looks a little better now. --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:33, 16 March 2018 (EDT)

Artist credit for Time Pieces

The cover for our verified Time Pieces is credited to "Chris Baker" instead of the actual credit of Fangorn on the copyright page ("Front cover art by Fangorn"). Propose reverting this credit to the canonical name. Thanks. PeteYoung 03:43, 17 March 2018 (EDT)

Tarzan and the Lost Empire

I'm trying to understand a note in this pub which has a date of 1963-11-00 and a note which states ' "First Printing: October 1963"; no number line but is a later date' . Later printings give a date of January 1964, but the listed date is October. Why 1963-11? A separate question is - why is there a US edition of 2012? There often was, but not necessarily. You loaded the same image for both - do you know if such a printing exists? You verified the OCLC, but that doesn't give that level of detail. Rtrace verified in Tuck - but the US only so I'm guessing that it doesn't differentiate either. Anyway, it also has the same 1963-11-00 date so I'm guessing one is a clone of the other. ../Doug H 14:51, 27 March 2018 (EDT)

The October date is for F-777 and just wasn't updated. All twelve of the Tarzan books were reprinted in November under the 'U' catalog #s, see the Ballantine page for [1963]. Most of them had that date in them but later printings seem to ignore more than a few of them. As for there being a US edition, I'm quite sure there was [I've probably seen one, but most editions one finds of the older printings are rather poor, so wouldn't have bought it; I rarely buy even one in 20 of what I see] as the demand for the series was quite high but I doubt the demand from Canada would have justified a separate printing. Tuck always noted if an edition was country specific, but that doesn't guarantee he saw a copy. I'll add a line to the notes to clarify the Nov. date choice. --~ Bill, Bluesman 15:10, 27 March 2018 (EDT)

The People That Time Forgot

You verified the Canadian edition of this pub. I am assisting someone who is writing a catalogue of Ballantine / Del Rey editions of Edgar Rice Burroughs who was unaware of this particular Canadian edition. Would you be kind enough to send a copy of the copyright page showing the Canadian printing either to me ( or to Jim Goodwin directly (>)? Thanks. ../Doug H 16:17, 27 March 2018 (EDT)

Responded to your thanks for the pic, but it 'rebounded'. The only pertinent data in the reply was that Balantine continued to print editions in Canada until at least 1997, way past when every other publisher ceased to do so, so there may be more your friend may be unaware of. Just an FYI. --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:45, 28 March 2018 (EDT)

Binti: Home

Would you please take a look at this submission vs. your verified Binti: Home and then comment at this discussion. Trying to determine if the submission is the same as your version or not. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:00, 29 March 2018 (EDT)

Sorry for spamming your Primary verifications changed

It seems like a huge amount of the ones I am cleaning lately are verified by you so I suspect I am spamming your list pretty heavily :) Annie 17:37, 29 March 2018 (EDT)

The current 'backlog' is actually quite short [at least compared to the 400 you 'spammed' me with a few days ago ... ;-)))]. Not to worry, I would have checked them all eventually anyway. Currently going through all my paperbacks and doing new scans [so many of the ones I uploaded back in 2009/10 were simply awful; surprised they haven't been replaced before now] so am revisiting every record I've verified anyway. That doesn't mean go ahead full-bore and do several hundred a day .... hint, hint .... ((-; It's the price for doing 50,000+ OCLCs in the first place. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:24, 29 March 2018 (EDT)
Ooops... I was bored that day and could not concentrate on a book. It won't be hundreds every day but there may be more days with a lot of them... Some of those early records seem untouched since last decade so not surprised that the covers had not been changed. Annie 02:58, 30 March 2018 (EDT)

Las doradas manzanas del sol

Hi--I'm a bit confused about this edition, which I believe you entered based on information in Tuck. It doesn't exactly correspond to any edition La Tercera Fundación catalogued (they have one from 1961 and one from 1969, both paperbacks, whereas this record states hardcover, and they have a different publication series); also, some information, like the publication series, isn't in the Worldcat record. You have the publication series as "Ciencia Ficción #11;" according to LTFand Worldcat, that number belongs to Fahrenheit 451. Did you get the publication series and cover info from Tuck? Could you take another look at exactly what he says? Thanks! --Vasha 01:36, 1 April 2018 (EDT)

Ken Kelly new canonical name

Hello Bill,

I am in the process of changing the canonical name for Kelly and in a few books, the note does not specify if the Ken W. Kelly is used because it is credited this way (in which case I will variant) or because it was the canonical at the time (so the coverart needs a new author). Can you please check the following books:

Thanks in advance! PS: I have to go through a few more of these so I may need to ping you again. Annie 16:44, 2 April 2018 (EDT)

Added a note to clarify the credit. If you find more can you add to this note? --~ Bill, Bluesman 15:30, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
That's the plan - yes :) Thanks for clarifying this one! Annie 15:49, 5 April 2018 (EDT)

The Mind Cage

The Mind Cage; The OCLC reference refers to the 1965 Tower first edition (the Catalog ID in the OCLC record is ’43-503’ not ’43-776’). Should this OCLC ID be included in the second printing (there is no actual OCLC record for the 1967 printing)? --AndyjMo 07:31, 3 April 2018 (EDT)

I've removed it, there is another record that matches only the page count but rather useless. --~ Bill, Bluesman 15:36, 5 April 2018 (EDT)

After the Fall addition

Bill, I've created an essay record for the Afterword to J. A. Lawrence's story 'Heir' that appears in Sheckley's After the Fall anthology. It's tagged onto the end of the story. Feel free to add it to your Ace edition if you feel so inclined! Thanks. PeteYoung 12:18, 4 April 2018 (EDT)

Out of Time's Abyss

I've added the Lin Carter Foreword and art credit to this and this ../Doug H 15:33, 5 April 2018 (EDT)


Cover artist of this is Steve Weston, see his son's site, picture called "Bound". Thanks. Horzel 11:54, 7 April 2018 (EDT)

Good find, too bad he didn't give the date for the computer game, as it may have preceded the book. --~ Bill, Bluesman 11:59, 7 April 2018 (EDT)

The Other Log of Phileas Fogg

When you get a chance, could you please review this discussion? It's about a pub that you and I have verified. TIA! Ahasuerus 23:25, 8 April 2018 (EDT)

The Chessmen of Mars

I am adding ERB's essay on Jetan or Martian Chess to this, this and this publication. ../Doug H 16:26, 9 April 2018 (EDT)

The Mucker

I have added the Foreword by Kevin Hancer to this pub. ../Doug H 16:34, 9 April 2018 (EDT)

The Return of the Mucker

I have added the Foreword by Hancer to this publication. ../Doug H 16:38, 9 April 2018 (EDT)

Beyond the Farthest Star

I have added Lupoff's foreword to this pub and changed the page number for Wollheim's foreword to page 2. ../Doug H 10:30, 10 April 2018 (EDT)

The Monster Men

I've added the "In Tribute" essay by Lupoff to this pub. ../

The Lost Continent

I've added Wollheim's Foreword to this and this publication. ../Doug H 15:44, 10 April 2018 (EDT)

Requested change on one of your PV'd pubs

Hello Bill,

I have a series of 3 updates on hold: one PV'd by you, and two where you have the secondary verification (the other PV on the whole set is not around) - Number 1 and Number 2. If this second part of that name is a subtitle in your book, these are legit and I would go with them. If it is not, then they are to be rejected. Do you mind looking at this and letting me know how do you wish to proceed? Thanks! Annie 22:13, 10 April 2018 (EDT)

As usual, changes are being made to verified pubs with active verifiers with NO attempt to check a damned thing. It shouldn't be you having to do this just because Vasha is too lazy/arrogant to bother. There is no punctuation on the title page, so the Help says 'colon'. I'd still reject them until he gets some manners. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:32, 10 April 2018 (EDT)
I called Vasha on that: over here. I do not care who wants to hear from whom - PV data non-trivial changes require checks.
That's what I needed - a visual check that there is no punctuation on the page. :) Just ignoring people is always a bad idea but if I reject them then I will need to go and make them - now that I saw them, they annoy me and I need to change them. :) Annie 23:02, 10 April 2018 (EDT)
And as usual others end up doing what he has yet to even acknowledge he needs to do = no lesson learned. Rejecting edits is the only way, since he doesn't listen to anybody. I doubt this one ever will. --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:10, 10 April 2018 (EDT)
Let's see what happens next, shall we? The last couple of messages in Vasha's thread give me some hope. If it is misplaced, well... nothing lost by trying. If PVs are not notified and/or the sourcing is bad, I am not letting things through (or at least I try not to) and I am willing to try to work with the editors and help them. Annie 23:33, 10 April 2018 (EDT)
He's not new anymore, and I don't see where he wants help. He wants the database to change so he doesn't have to think longer than a few seconds and fully expects to have anything changed that causes that brief thought period to [gasp!] go past maybe 10 seconds. And it's ALWAYS the Help/software/mods that are the problem - never him. I've met 5-year-olds with better adjustment than that. --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:46, 10 April 2018 (EDT)
Oh Bill, you and Herve can be so refreshingly honest sometimes:) I don't know - you may be right. I still want to believe that this is salvageable and to look at it as eagerness (although the "noone answered so I am doing what I want" usually sends me up a wall), Annie 00:14, 11 April 2018 (EDT)
Old farts seldom take much BS before just going off ... my favorite example was/is George Carlin. That should say it all. And you'll never convince a deliberately deaf five-year-old of anything. Only hears you if you agree, otherwise 'noone answered'. Only parents have to take time with a cranky brat, and I didn't see anything in the contract for Modhood that says we have to [though Ahasuerus can be sneaky ... invisible cyber-ink would be right up his alley] ;-))) --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:30, 11 April 2018 (EDT)
We probably dealt with too many contributors of diverse stripes to be impressed any more. As for Vasha, I've taken the simplest route, I simply ignore him/her and stopped moderating his/her submissions a long time ago. When it's needed, I just act.Hauck 02:45, 11 April 2018 (EDT)

Athos Emfovos in the Temple of Sound

Original title found for Athos Emfovos in the Temple of Sound in your verified The SFWA European Hall of Fame: Sixteen Contemporary Masterpieces of Science Fiction from the Continent. All is varianted and cleaned up; let me know if something looks weird. Annie 05:12, 11 April 2018 (EDT)

The Unteleported Man

Hello, Bill! Based on a pending request by Markwood, the note for the novel, my own reading of nonfiction on the text(s), the length AND our previous examples I changed the appearances in the Ace doubles to a novella, so that they are now listed here. I hope that works out for you, and you don't feel left out.

Not to worry. It's practically a given that most of the Ace Double novels are novellas and eventually most will end up being revisited. They can't really be blanket-changed as Ace did use varied type-size in the doubles, but quick word-checks are easy. There are several mods/eds who have extensive runs of the early doubles [me, Willem, Hervé may be the most active]. A project ...

Based on the information that the NOVEL was first published posthumously in 1983 it also seems to be the case that the 1976 Methuen edition would be a CHAPBOOK. (??) Christian Stonecreek 09:40, 11 April 2018 (EDT)

Yep, small word count per page [about 300] so well below novel. Since you've got the process going, feel free! Checked Mavmaramis' page as he's the only other active verifier and his header/qualifier would indicate no problem [and he's the sole verifier of the other UK Magnum edition with the same page count] so both could be relocated to the novella's page. --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:30, 11 April 2018 (EDT)
Yes, it is a project, I'll do some of them when I come across them. Thanks for the OK! Christian Stonecreek 15:19, 11 April 2018 (EDT)

Not with a Bang

Capitalization change in your verified (while moving OCLC and removing excessive brs). Used to have "With". Annie 22:29, 12 April 2018 (EDT)

And one more in Home Is the Hangman - on all elements of the publication. "Is" was "is". Annie 18:12, 14 April 2018 (EDT)
Thanks, but I really don't need to know about case. The notes that come with the changes are quite sufficient. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:15, 16 April 2018 (EDT)
No worries, makes my life easier. Name change is substantial so until I am told not to, I notify people. And yes - I always put all changes in the notes and in case of changes like that I make sure at least one of the updates is on the pub level (so the PVs get notified) :) Annie 14:20, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

Cat's Cradle

Can I ask you to check your copy of your verified 288816, please? Mine has a printing history of:

  • First published in the U.S.A. 1963
  • Published in Great Britain by Gollancz 1963
  • Published in Penguin Books 1965
  • Reprinted 1973

and prices of UK 30p; Australia $1.00; New Zealand $1.00. Many thanks. --AliHarlow 13:12, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

Typos both and both fixed. --~ Bill, Bluesman 13:16, 16 April 2018 (EDT)
Many thanks.--AliHarlow 14:13, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

Rules of Engagement

I've added notes to your verified Easton Press edition. Bob 20:22, 16 April 2018 (EDT) I also added to the notes for The Devil's Eye, and Time Travelers Never Die, both also verified by you. Bob 20:27, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

I added notes to Ancient Shores, Easton Press edition as well. Bob 17:15, 17 April 2018 (EDT)

The Parasaurians

Added ISBN from SBN on copyright page to your verified 270124.--AliHarlow 10:25, 17 April 2018 (EDT)

The Claw of the Conciliator

Changed page count of your verified 142921 from 303 to 301 since that is the extent of the novel and added a publication note about the essay on page 303.--AliHarlow 07:27, 18 April 2018 (EDT)

The page is numbered, thus the page count was correct. I changed it back. --~ Bill, Bluesman 15:03, 18 April 2018 (EDT)
The page is indeed numbered. My apologies; I had not recognised the significance of that.--AliHarlow 02:37, 19 April 2018 (EDT)

The Fifth Head of Cerberus

Changed the page count of your verified 355187 from 191+[1] to 192 to match standard.--AliHarlow 08:19, 18 April 2018 (EDT)

Easton Editions

I added "Leather-bound, marker ribbon, signed and numbered" to the notes for Cauldron, Infinity Beach, Odyssey, Omega, Polaris, and Once a Hero. I added a number of notes to your verified Marque and Reprisal. Bob 17:41, 18 April 2018 (EDT)

I'm not sure why you bother with the 'Leather-bound, marker ribbon' note, as ALL Easton press editions fit that description so it really does nothing to help identify the edition[s]. It's like saying they all have paper pages .... --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:09, 18 April 2018 (EDT)

Field of Dishonor

Field of Dishonor; The Notes say “First printing, April 1994” whereas my copy states “First printing, October 1994” – which matches the Publish Date in the record. Is the date in the Notes a mistype? --AndyjMo 13:24, 19 April 2018 (EDT)

Transient verification = I don't have it anymore. Definitely assume a 'wandering-of-the-attention'! --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:35, 21 April 2018 (EDT)

Chen Quifan

In Clarkesworld: Year Five, would you mind double checking the author credit for the story on page 255? The author's name is Chen Qiufan (vs. the "ui" in the pub). If database typo, the entry should be merged with the record for the original Clarkesworld Magazine appearance. If publication typo, there will need to be a pseudonym and variant to the Chinese parent. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:23, 19 April 2018 (EDT)

Actually it's spelled both ways! Luckily the TOC has the incorrect 'version', so a quick fix/note/merge/done. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:42, 21 April 2018 (EDT)

The Fall of Atlantis

Image URL found for this pub there. Can You confirm? --Zapp 07:14, 22 April 2018 (EDT)

No. PV was Transient, I don't have the book anymore. I've seen that cover but can't confirm it's for that particular printing. --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:16, 23 April 2018 (EDT)
Thank You. --Zapp 14:41, 23 April 2018 (EDT)

Test of the Twins

Test of the Twins; A Note states “Copyright page states that the Library of Congress Catalog Card Number is 86-90222. This is the LoC Classification and not the LoC Control Number” I believe that the reference in the copyright page is an LCCN – albeit one which does not exist in the catalog and that the Note should state “Library of Congress Catalog Card Number: 86-90222 on copyright page; a record with this reference does not exist”. The LC Classification is actually “CPB Box no. 582 vol. 22” which is a completely different reference. --AndyjMo 08:59, 22 April 2018 (EDT)

Megan McCarron

Would you please check out this post regarding Megan or Meghan McCarron? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:39, 25 April 2018 (EDT)


In this verified pub, you state the book was printed in Canada but list a US price. ../Doug H 10:38, 26 April 2018 (EDT)

Added the 'C' --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:25, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

A World out of Time - Larry Niven

This edition, mine says "Cover printed in USA" on the back cover and "Printed in Canada." on the copyright page. --Spacecow 19:00, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

Not my note, my copy definitely has Printed in Canada. Changed the record and left a note for Doug, he's the only one who could have changed the notes. --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:27, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

When to use Gollancz vs Gollancz/Orion?

I noticed that Gollancz and Gollancz/Orion seem to be used interchangeably. For example, your sixth printing pub record of Chasm City has Gollancz/Orion and my ninth printing has Gollancz on its copyright page. Is there any rule as to when to use either one? (should I ask on the helpdesk page?) MagicUnk 06:31, 1 May 2018 (EDT)

It can be a little tricky with Imprint/Publisher as they so often change. There are always merges/buyouts or even the demise of either an imprint or a publisher. Also, it's not required that both be put in the Publisher field in our records, the Imprint must but the Publisher is optional. As to the case above, the only name on the title page [in my copy] is Gollancz, but on the copyright page just above the number line is An imprint of the Orion Publishing Group so I put both in the field. At present Gollancz is still an imprint of Orion so any edition published after Orion purchased Gollancz [I don't know when that was] could have / Orion appended. At present we still have no well-defined way to treat the whole Publisher issue, so there are going to be some inconsistencies. Some editors never add the publisher to the imprint, some always do, and if some of each verify the same pub you'll get a mix. Some publishers only put the imprint on the title page some put both the imprint and themselves there. Since we primarily use what's on the title page than can affect what goes in the field as, again, some editors only use the title page, others will add from the copyright page. Can't give you a black/white answer. The Publisher debate has been shelved/ignored mostly for the last while as there have been lots of other changes in the db that have taken front seat, but we have to address it sooner rather than never. Maybe we will just wait until Penguin owns everyone and the debate will be moot .... ;-)) --~ Bill, Bluesman 11:57, 1 May 2018 (EDT)
Thanks for the clarification. My copy also says Gollancs, an Orion imprint. And my practice is to only list the imprint (or publisher if no imprint). I understand I can stick with my practice, and not worry too much :) [as an afterthought: the issue could be solved to have 2 fields: imprint and publisher. But as that kind of change would require revisiting 'a couple' of pub records, I wonder if that kind of solution is worth it...] --MagicUnk 17:01, 4 May 2018 (EDT)

Selections from Science Fiction Thinking Machines

Would you please double check the title of Selections from Science Fiction Thinking Machines? I'm holding an edit where the editor believes it should have a hyphen. I notice that there is a note stating the cover and the title page are different, but that note does list the hyphen which is on the cover. So if the title page doesn't have the hyphen, the note needs to be updated. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:07, 3 May 2018 (EDT)

Yes, the hyphen is there, corrected the one record. Odds are the other two have it, but both Don and SFJuggler are active, so it shouldn't take long to find out. --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:42, 4 May 2018 (EDT)

Changes to your verified The Art of Michael Whelan: Scenes / Visions

I was trying to help the vacationing Annie with some submissions she has on hold, so now I have them on hold and am trying to get some movement on them. There are two held submissions at the top of the queue that want to make additions and changes to your verified The Art of Michael Whelan: Scenes / Visions. Would you take a look at them and see what you think? I see Willem also has a PV on it, so I will point him here, too. It seems like it would be more efficient if one of you worked with the editor directly. Thanks. --MartyD 07:04, 10 May 2018 (EDT)

Can you release or approve these edits? The additions are valid, there are only a few issues with pagenumbers and titles. I'll drop a note on Jeffrey1's page when I'm done with the pub. Thenks, --Willem 15:43, 11 May 2018 (EDT)
Ok, I approved them. Thanks very much. --MartyD 07:23, 12 May 2018 (EDT)

Herbert's "Direct Descent"

A quick FYI: the cover artist of your verified Direct Descent has confessed. The pub has been updated. Ahasuerus 09:01, 11 May 2018 (EDT)


Found a note at this pub. The cover artist is indeed Jim Thiesen, the misspelling is Tim Thiesen. See here and here. --Zapp 06:09, 13 May 2018 (EDT)

The End of the World

Cover art of this is indeed by Ed Emshwiller, his signature is clearly visible (below right) on the original art here. Horzel 17:53, 15 May 2018 (EDT)

The Space Merchants

I found and updated the cover artist for this pub. Also added a note regarding the source. P.S. this probably qualifies as adding an image but your link for such comments isn't working. ../Doug H 15:55, 18 May 2018 (EDT)

I deleted the link/page as all changes now get to my attention from the Changes to Primary Verifications page, and some editors were burying things that should have been on this page. --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:47, 29 May 2018 (EDT)

"Smokiejoe" in Galaxy's Edge #19

In you verified Galaxy's Edge Magazine, Issue 19, March 2016, might the Drake story "Smokiejoe" be "Smokie Joe"? He has a story appearing the latter way in a bunch of different pubs, some of which I could confirm online. I'm guessing they're the same. If you want to compare, a "Smokie Joe" is visible in a Look Inside for Baen's Night & Demons. --MartyD 11:16, 20 May 2018 (EDT)

There is a space in the title in the TOC but not on the title page. Unfortunately Galaxy's Edge always uses all-caps for all titles and no headers so no way to tell if it should be Smokeyjoe or SmokeyJoe. I think it's just a typographical mistake - a capital 'J' in this particular font looks like there's a space even when there isn't one. And I measured! --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:45, 29 May 2018 (EDT)

Danger Planet

Added a reference in note to source for Frazetta art credit in this pub. ../Doug H 09:51, 25 May 2018 (EDT).

Fantasy & Science Fiction, October-November 2009

Added a little content and adjusted some page numbers to this issue. MLB 21:31, 25 May 2018 (EDT)

The Years of the City

Cover artist of this is Danny Flynn, see his site. Horzel 05:30, 27 May 2018 (EDT)

The Goblin Tower

Cover artist of this is Paul Monteagle, see his site. Horzel 14:36, 27 May 2018 (EDT)

The Unfriendly Future

I thought I posted this here already but it seems to have disappeared. I'm nearly 100% sure that the cover of The Unfriendly Future is by Gino D'Achille, because the "gd" initials on the cover match the g and d on his signature on the first image at this link. Yes, it's five years before D'Achille's first credited cover, but he was in London doing other book work (illustrations for Bible stories, etc.) so it's plausible, especially given the initials. I want to know whether that's enough evidence to make the attribution. Mphillips 21:57, 3 June 2018 (EDT)

Actually, they don't match. The Mars cover uses capitals, The Unfriendly Future lower case. There have been a few different ways D'Achille used his initials, but I don't recall one with g.d. Enough for speculation but not enough for a definite attribution. --~ Bill, Bluesman 15:05, 5 June 2018 (EDT)
I'm not talking about the final Mars cover, I'm talking about the first image on that page (here it is by itself), the rough version, in which he uses a lowercase signature in which the g and d match the gd on The Unfriendly Future. Mphillips 17:52, 5 June 2018 (EDT)
Now I see what you mean, looking only at the g and d from the written signature does seem to match. I see you pinged Andy as well, if he agrees we can add the attribution, the other two aren't active. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:02, 5 June 2018 (EDT)
Cool. If he agrees, should/can I make the edit? Not sure what the protocol is on things like this. Thanks. Mphillips 18:05, 5 June 2018 (EDT)
Sure, and include the link to the image with the signature. In the Note to Moderator box put something about the change being as per discussion, in case I'm not the one who handles it, the moderator will know what prompted the change. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:08, 5 June 2018 (EDT)
Well crap. During my Sherlock Holmesing, I reached out to D'Achille's estate, not expecting an answer. His daughter Simona just replied and says she is convinced it's not her dad's work: (1) He kept scrupulous records of his work and there's nothing about this, and (2) she's never seen a work that used these initials. She acknowledged the similarity to the other signatures I found, and she's going to look through his sketches to see if this turns up anywhere else, but as of now she says it's not him. I guess we need to remove the attribution? And I need to hang up my deerstalker. One positive is that she's going to send me his list of all the covers he did, so hopefully we'll get some other attributions from that. // Mphillips 23:09, 24 June 2018 (EDT)
Keep the deerstalker, you've merely noticed that all good efforts don't necessarily end at the point you thought they might. Artists [and most especially their relatives] are usually quite willing to interact/answer questions. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:54, 10 November 2018 (EST)

Opinion about canonical name of Oscar Arias Sánchez?

Hi-- You verified an issue of Omni in which the politician Óscar Arias Sánchez is interviewed (his only appearance in this database, since he never wrote science fiction). I am currently wondering whether his canonical name ought to include the accent on the Ó, even though it wasn't printed that way in his one and only magazine appearance (I think-- maybe you could look at the magazine and make sure it isn't there?) Sorry to bother you about such an annoyingly trivial matter, but do you have an opinion on whether to make the canonical form of his name the "proper" spelling or the way it was in Omni? Thanks, --Vasha 14:40, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

The legal name, sure, but if the canonical is changed then there would be a pretty useless variant crying out in the darkness .... ;-)) --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:07, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
What I meant was, that it isn't possible with the software to have both accented and unaccented versions of the name, so we need to choose one or the other and set that as the canonical name. Right now, the canonical form is without accents. It really makes very little difference, since his only publication is in English and printed that way. But in the unlikely event that we add some Spanish-language publications for this guy, it becomes more important to add the accents to his name. Do it now so that it doesn't get overlooked in the future? Keep it the English way? --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 15:04, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
Right now the canonical has one accent, the legal name two. And unless he writes memoirs there aren't going to be any further publications, and we wouldn't add them anyway unless maybe he was kidnapped by aliens. Just leave it. --~ Bill, Bluesman 15:08, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

Blanking Data

I'm going to restore the data that you blanked from the notes for Gunn's The Road to Science Fiction: From Gilgamesh to Wells. As I'm certain you are aware, your objection to this sort of data was discussed in 2015. I raised the issue again last week. In neither discussion was there a consensus that this data should be prohibited. If you still feel this data ought to be disallowed, feel free to try to convince the community and reach a consensus to prohibit it. Failing that, please do not delete such data. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 20:19, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

These useless numbers are NOT data. They are unlinkable, now and likely forever. We're trying to reduce the addition of external links from the notes [just clutter] and you're continuing to add completely worthless ones just because some pretentious bookseller puts them in their ads. I'll continue to remove them when I see them. --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:39, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
I'm going to add this data back. Please see this discussion and refrain from blanking these edits in the future. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 07:00, 20 June 2018 (EDT)
Not likely ........... --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:59, 10 November 2018 (EST)
I have adjusted the Wiki link in Ron's note above since the discussion has been archived. The Cliff Notes version is that the consensus was not to remove catalog numbers (from secondary sources) from notes. If you would like to restart this discussion, please post on the Moderator Noticeboard. Ahasuerus 19:59, 10 November 2018 (EST)


The signature on this cover is not R. de Sant, but R. DeSoto, hence Rafael DeSoto. See flickr for a clear cover scan. See also The Haploids for another Lion Books cover by DeSoto. Horzel 15:52, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

Cover on my copy is cropped just a hair and the last part of the signature was a guess. Even the flickr shot isn't the clearest, but will do. Good find as usual! --~ Bill, Bluesman 13:57, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

New Worlds artist identified

Hi Bill, it appears Facebook does have its uses from time to time. Michael Moorcock has identified the uncredited artist for the story "I Remember, Anita ..." in your verified New Worlds #144, as being Maeve Gilmore Peake, wife of Mervyn Peake. The details are here, but as it's on a Facebook group page I have no idea if you will be able to see it (the group is 'British Science Fiction Magazine Collectors'). She also has a few other pieces of uncredited artwork in New Worlds, details to be established. Just letting you know in case you or Hervé wish to add the credit. Thanks. PeteYoung 10:59, 14 June 2018 (EDT)

Galileo's Daughter

Hi-- I was a bit surprised to find this history/biography book in the database. I've read it, and as far as I can recall, it has nothing to do with speculative fiction. Noneteheless, someone clearly went to a lot of trouble adding multiple editions to the database; was that you (since I see your secondary verifications)? Normally, I might post a request to the notice boards asking for an irrelevant book like this to be removed, but I'd like to hear from whoever added it first. --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 18:37, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

In Humanity 2.0, you have "eʰ" entered as a novelette. However, it recently appeared online, where it is 5950 words long. --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 13:41, 20 June 2018 (EDT)

Childhood's End

Childhood’s End; Shouldn’t the External ID be WorldCat/OCLC and not ASIN? --AndyjMo 08:34, 23 June 2018 (EDT)

There Will Be Time

The cover artist of this is Fernando Fernandez, see his site. Horzel 17:55, 24 June 2018 (EDT)

The Sands of Mars

The cover artist of this is Fernando Fernandez, the signature on the cover is the same as on for example The Other Side of the Sky. Horzel 18:08, 24 June 2018 (EDT)

The City and the Stars

Cover artist of this is also Fernando Fernandez, the original art is credited on, apparently by the artist himself. Horzel 18:19, 24 June 2018 (EDT)


Rork!; The Catalog ID field has the value “0-532-15227-4”. Shouldn’t this value be in the ISBN field? --AndyjMo 16:58, 26 June 2018 (EDT)

No, the checksum is invalid, thus the whole number is reduced to a catalog#. The field used to be left blank when this happened because the false number generated an error message. Now we can at least display it. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:58, 10 November 2018 (EST)

If the Stars Are Gods

Cover artist of this is of course Angus McKie, finally credited here in 2002. Horzel 14:49, 27 June 2018 (EDT)

Orbit -> Orbit (US) + additional content in Honor Among Thieves in your verified pubs

Hi Bill. I have a situation with an editor proposing to change a bunch of pubs having "Orbit" or other Orbit variations to "Orbit (US)". I've put them all on hold. You're primary verifier of a lot of them, some as recently as a couple of weeks ago. Would you take a look at the submissions and see if you agree?

Also, the same editor submitted a proposed import of the short story "Silver and Scarlet" into your verified Honor Among Thieves. That's in the set of things I have on hold, too -- I let him know about the ask-primary-verifiers policy. Let me know if that one's ok, too. Thanks. --MartyD 08:35, 30 June 2018 (EDT)

I ended up putting both of these changes through. Please review when you get a chance. BTW, I tried using the wiki's email-sending feature -- I don't know if the message made it to you or got blocked along the way. --MartyD 19:23, 9 July 2018 (EDT)
For whatever reason [and I see it has been sort of addressed??] I received no email. This [country] addition to publishers is a holdover from the original infusion of data from Locus. I don't see it as useful, as the currency in any record shows the origin of the edition/printing. The financial/legal reasons for publishers' being sort-of separate entities in diverse countries really isn't a bibliographical concern. I think we should just drop it. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:05, 10 November 2018 (EST)

A Maze of Death

Hello Bill. I've added "Author's Foreword" to our verified. Cheers, Linguist 08:33, 3 July 2018 (EDT).

Planned Project Scope Expansion

(I am leaving this note on the Talk pages of some of the more active editors to make sure that we are not missing anything. If you have been following this Rules and Standards discussion and agree with the proposal, please ignore this note.)

As per this discussion, ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition is about to be expanded to include:

  • Speculative fiction webzines, which are defined as online periodicals with distinct issues
  • Special speculative fiction issues of non-genre webzines
  • One time speculative fiction anthologies published on the Web

If you believe that this scope expansion may cause unforeseen and/or undesirable consequences, please share your thoughts on the Rules and Standards page. TIA! Ahasuerus 11:23, 4 July 2018 (EDT)

Five Weeks in a Balloon / Around the World in Eighty Days

You have verified this pub. I am updating the 1926 first edition of these translations published by Dent and plan to separate the titles and annotate them with the translators and translation text then variant them back to the original French. Your pub will still refer to the generic (i.e. translator not known) version of the titles. My plan is to eventually go through these generic publications and identify specific translations. Would you permit me to modify this publication once the first edition is correctly configured?

By the way, the original is #779 in the series, is yours really #1779?

../Doug H 14:52, 4 July 2018 (EDT)

Yes, 1779 it is. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:07, 10 November 2018 (EST)

The Deathworld Trilogy

I have added David Egge as the cover artist for this pub and updated the notes with the source of the credit. It was interior art in a Galileo magazine issue of Sept. 1978. ../Doug H 17:29, 5 July 2018 (EDT)

Ellison's Doomsman

Re this book Joachim Boaz of SF Ruminations has informed me via Twitter that this cover is not Valigursky but Paul Lehr repurposing a portion of Valigusky's art from Asimov's 1,000 Year Plan - see here. I was asked by Joachim to correct the error but since I don't own a copy I'm not going to fo that merely informing you that the artist is "suspect" --Mavmaramis 15:04, 6 July 2018 (EDT)

Further to this Joachim Boax has identified the background as this book --Mavmaramis 12:53, 9 July 2018 (EDT)
Excellent! Like the co-artist credit much better. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:09, 10 November 2018 (EST)


Hello, I found a note on this pub about the cover artist. I guess there is a big confusion because on the title list there are 3 different spellings of the artist: "Mike Posen", "Mick Posen", "Nick Posen", but there are additional "Michael Posen" and "M. Posen" in the name directory. I prefer to choose Mike as the main artist's name and the others as pseudonyms. What do You think? I couldn't find any website of him, yet. --Zapp 14:38, 11 July 2018 (EDT)

We enter artists as they are credited in the individual editions/printings, with pseudonyms linking disparate spellings together. NEVER list by the canonical if the book notes it otherwise. If the credit is by signature, or secondary source, then we choose the canonical for the attribution. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:13, 10 November 2018 (EST)

The Tombs of Atuan

I guess this pub could be the 7th printing according to publication date between 6th and 8th printing. --Zapp 03:36, 14 July 2018 (EDT)
And this pub could be the 5th printing according to publication date between 4th and 6th printing. --Zapp 03:40, 14 July 2018 (EDT)

You would have to ask someone who has the 11th printing. I do not. ;-)) Bantam is usually very reliable, but ... --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:20, 10 November 2018 (EST)

New Soviet Science Fiction

Re this publication, I changed the title of the Dneprov story on page 115 from 'Formula of Immortality' to 'Formula for Immortality'. Also had to change the format from 'pb' to 'tp'. Cheers, --Willem 16:45, 16 July 2018 (EDT)

The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

A quick FYI that "Acknowledgments (The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark)" has been added to your verified The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark. Ahasuerus 11:17, 18 July 2018 (EDT)

Cover art for The Science Fiction Hall of Fame, Volume IV

The uncredited artwork for this is by Tony Roberts, as can be seen here. Have at it! Cheers. PeteYoung 15:07, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

Been a few weeks so I've done it. Cheers. PeteYoung 13:18, 9 August 2018 (EDT)

A Brief History of Time: from the Big Bang to Black Holes

Added a bibliographic note to A Brief History of Time: from the Big Bang to Black Holes. PS: Your link to your page for adding notes seems to be broken.SFJuggler 22:44, 22 July 2018 (EDT)

Deliberately so, see above somewhere ... --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:21, 10 November 2018 (EST)

Dating early Ace editions

In one of our earlier discussions, you mentioned a spread-sheet of ads that could help date early Ace publications. Such input would be useful in this discussion. ../Doug H 11:54, 31 July 2018 (EDT)

City of Illusions OCLC

2nd printing of City of Illusions has ACE code 10701. G-626 is the first printing which is referenced in the OCLC record 429001. I think your comments are on the OCLC code for these two editions is incorrect, and there is no OCLC code for the second prining. Let me know what you think Tom TAWeiss 23:04, 3 August 2018 (EDT)

Amazing Stories, March 1990

I’ve been doing some clean-up of the Amazing Stories listings and I’m curious, in the March 1990 issue is The Literary Career of W. T. Quick: Current Directions ... and Past Achievements a short story or an essay? I suspect it is an essay, but won’t change it unless you say so.

I know, I know, will nobody rid you of these pesky lowly editors with no life. MLB 18:02, 7 August 2018 (EDT)


Regarding this edition of Nightwings, the cover artist is Dave Pether. I just bought the original painting from him and it is now in the Welshgriffin Collection. Welshgriffin 19:49, 7 August 2018 (EDT)

Lucky you! Do you have an online gallery for viewing?? --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:22, 10 November 2018 (EST)

Zoo 2000: The King of Beasts

Hi Bill, Philip José Farmer's story "The King of the Beasts" is also written as "The King of Beasts", or even as "King of Beasts". You've entered the story with its original title in Zoo 2000 [1], but that is not correct. The story's title is here however: "The King of Beasts". This title is given in the ToC and on the story page. Would and could you correct this? So I can clone the book for two other editions. Thanks and best, Rias -- Zlan52 10:36, 9 August 2018 (EDT)

Done! You should have just emailed me, as my presence here is somewhat a crap-shoot!!! But then there's no way anyone could know that ... By the way. I need a new 'want' list from you. I've come across at least one I think you want but I've overwritten the last list so many times I don't know if I've sent you a copy or not .... yes, I still look!! Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:31, 10 November 2018 (EST)

"Kollapse" by Benford in "Worlds Vast and Various"

Hi. Could you please check the copyright date for "Kollapse" in Gregory Benford's collection "Worlds Vast and Various"? In the anthology "Lamps on the Brow" it's "(c) 1998 Abbenford Association". If the copyright in "Worlds Vast …" is 1995, then please check and let me know whether the last paragraph of the story is, "Wirehead had died of thirst, apparently, lips and tongue leathery and purple. His arms were wrapped around his laptop and satellite dish, as if to draw energy from them." It's possible Benford edited the story for "Lamps on the Brow", since it's supposed to be an original anthology. Thanks. Markwood 12:16, 9 August 2018 (EDT)

Interesting. The actual © is 1997 "as originally issued in September issue of Science Fiction Age ". The last paragraph is as you quote. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:38, 10 November 2018 (EST)

Private Games not spec fic?

I've been looking for a spec fic element in Private Games. I couldn't find it. Delete ? MagicUnk 17:28, 5 September 2018 (EDT)

Lord of Light SFBC edition

I think we should merge your pub and this pub together, adding your gutter code. What do you think? TAWeiss 11:01, 8 September 2018 (EDT)

NO. While we definitely keep SFBC editions together if the only difference is the gutter code, we do create different records if the cover or 'catalog' number change. In this case the addition of the leading '0' means a different record. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:42, 10 November 2018 (EST)
Good to know. Thanks. TAWeiss 22:32, 10 November 2018 (EST)

Mike Mars in Orbit

Re: your PV'd, Pub Note says, "First printing has gutter code "C21" [verified] on page 181 …." I've got 2 copies, and the "C21" gutter code is on page 188, not page 181, in both. (And both have "First Edition" on copyright page, per Pub Note.) Is yours really on page 181? If so, I'll create a variant for my copies. Thx. Markwood 14:55, 9 September 2018 (EDT)

Typo, Fixed. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:51, 10 November 2018 (EST)


Hi-- If your copy of Land/Space happens to be accessible, could you check whether the author's name on page 31 is printed "Renee Bennett" or "Renée Bennett"? Thanks! (BTW I have fixed the capitalization of the story titles in this publication.) --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 18:30, 14 September 2018 (EDT)

Unfortunately, the software is stupid. Even when I change the credit to one with the accent, because the canonical name doesn't have it the edit produces no change. This is something to take up with Ahasuerus. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:29, 10 November 2018 (EST)

Typo fix in Starlight 3

Since I have a copy of Starlight 3, I went ahead and corrected "Madeleine E. Robbins" to "Madeleine E. Robins." --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 01:36, 1 October 2018 (EDT)


User Mphillips found the cover artist for Stardreamer, see here. I added credit and notes. --Willem 04:54, 15 October 2018 (EDT)

The Magic May Return

Cover art of this is not by interior artist Alicia Austin, but by John Berkey, the art is part of Berkey's FP 1996 trading card set. See ebay, fifth row, fifth item of the uncut sheet shown there. Horzel 07:58, 9 November 2018 (EST)

Welcome back!

Welcome back, Bill! Not a whole lot has changed in the ISFDB world since June, but a few policies have been tweaked or expanded -- see the bottom of the Rules and standards changelog page for details.

How is life outside? Is it true that a big yellowish object hangs overhead much of the time? Sounds disconcerting and possibly unsafe, if you ask me! Ahasuerus 19:26, 10 November 2018 (EST)

Hey, there! Nice to be missed [I think]. Policies were never my strong suit, so we'll encounter them when it's apropos. And yes, the sun does shine on Canada, ever so much more brightly than on your hate-divided country. Very heavy sigh on that .......... I have to say that my re-emergence is not due to any particular reason, as Don Erikson once so perfectly said "sometimes life just gets in the way"!! I, on the other hand, simply went elsewhere, for good reasons which will not be discussed here. I am saddened by the loss of Hervé, and will seek him out and have a chat. He's one of the few who were obstinate enough to defend what this database ought to be, though he didn't always do that to anyone else's 'beat'. Shit happens ... As much as we butted heads, the sole purpose was to better the isfdb, which I think escapes way too many current editors. I'm not preaching, just coming to terms with certain realities. Not sure how long I will be back [at least until I clear a couple of hundred books on my desk] but whatever time I spend here will be quite proactive. We'll see how that goes. Cheers!  ;-))) --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:45, 10 November 2018 (EST)

The Best of Cordwainer Smith

Hi. The Pub Notes for your PV'd "The Best of Cordwainer Smith" ( say, "First printing has gutter code "24R" [verified] on page 341". In my copy, that first printing code is on page 337 (with no printing code on page 341.) Need to determine if Pub Note is wrong, or if I've got a verified variant. I'm posting this note to the other PV's, also. Thanks in advance for response. Markwood 11:37, 12 November 2018 (EST)

Indeed, and now corrected. Michael isn't answering these days, so not waiting for a second look. All the rest are long gone, though Don may re-emerge some day. --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:49, 12 November 2018 (EST)
I emailed Michael, and got a reply: "I can confirm that the gutter code "24R" is on page 341 of my copy." So … I'll edit Pub Notes to say both are verified. Markwood 18:14, 12 November 2018 (EST)
Most interesting! That almost has to indicate two 'runs', perhaps at both plants? Good to know Michael responds to at least emails. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:20, 12 November 2018 (EST)
And just got another email from Michael saying, "Sorry, I meant to say that my copy had "H 17" on page 341. It is an obvious later printing. I will make the correction. Again, sorry for the confusion." Assume he'll fix it. Markwood 19:25, 12 November 2018 (EST)
Now that's funny ... lol. We'll have to retrain him if he comes back ... hmmm, maybe I shouldn't say that. The number of typos I've put in in just a few hours one would think I haven't seen a keyboard in months. --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:11, 12 November 2018 (EST)

"To Tell at a Glance" in Asimov's The Winds of Change and Other Stories

Hi, Bill, you were at the top of PVs for this title and that's a good excuse to say 'Welcome back': it's wonderful to have you around again! I'm writing because of a submission in the pipeline that wants to change the title date for said story to 1977-02-00 (right now it appears as a 1983 first publication). Is there any hint for a previous publication, for example in a magazine? Christian Stonecreek 09:26, 13 November 2018 (EST)

Never mind, I have just found a copy of the collection's German translation at the local second hand bookstore, and it has the original copyright statements, which claim this story to be a first publication. I'll reject the submission. Stonecreek 00:15, 16 November 2018 (EST)
After reading the introduction to the story, I've added a note to it. Stonecreek 10:41, 16 November 2018 (EST)
First edition notes "Hitherto unpublished in this form" for the story, the intro tells the rest. --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:45, 18 November 2018 (EST)

The Witch of Blackbird Pond

Please come participate in this discussion. Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:04, 15 November 2018 (EST)

Since it was decided that this book does not contain any speculative fiction elements, here's the publication information if you wish to keep it:

  • Publication: The Witch of Blackbird Pond Publication Record # 580177 [Edit]
  • Author: Elizabeth George Speare
  • Date: 1973-01-00
  • Catalog ID: 9577
  • Publisher: Dell
  • Price: $0.75
  • Pages: 223
  • Format: pb
  • Type: NOVEL
  • Notes:
    • Printing history:
      • First Dell printing—April 1971
      • Second Dell Printing—August 1971
      • Third Dell Printing—October 1971
      • Fourth Dell printing—March 1972
      • Fifth Dell printing—July 1972
      • Sixth Dell printing—September 1972
      • Seventh Dell printing—January 1973
    • No number line
    • The artist is not credited, no visible signature on the artwork
    • Printed in the US
  • External IDs:
    • OCLC/WorldCat: 779053205

···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:52, 19 November 2018 (EST)

Thanks, I guess ... don't have the book and won't be entering any other copy if one falls out of another bulk-buy. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 13:58, 19 November 2018 (EST)

The Land That Time Forgot

The cover artist of this is Armand Weston, his signature 'Weston' can be found on the movie poster (to the left, just above the water) that bears the same art. Horzel 04:46, 16 November 2018 (EST)

Quite visible on the cover art - if you know where to look! Good eyes! --~ Bill, Bluesman 13:44, 18 November 2018 (EST)

The Finest Crew in the Fleet


Can you check this one - is it really "The Next Generation Cast On Screnn and Off" or is it "Screen" instead? Thanks! And welcome back :) Annie 06:07, 19 November 2018 (EST)

Fixed. There are probably more current typos - my typing after five months away is nothing short of atrocious ... ;-)) --~ Bill, Bluesman 13:05, 19 November 2018 (EST)

IDs of Secondary Verification Sources in Notes

Could you please respond to User:Rtrace's post on the ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Data_Blanking_Again Moderator Noticeboard? This is a follow-up to the last discussion re: removing IDs of secondary verification sources that are documented in publication notes. As I wrote on November 10, "the consensus was not to remove catalog numbers (from secondary sources) from notes. If you would like to restart this discussion, please post on the Moderator Noticeboard."

As stated in Moderator Qualifications, moderators must "comply with the consensus gained on the ISFDB Wiki on the resolution of various bibliographic debates". We all have our individual preferences, but if we start deleting data that other editors have entered in accordance with Policy and consensus, the project will quickly fall apart. We can't let that happen; please reconsider and abide by consensus. Ahasuerus 21:47, 19 November 2018 (EST)

I will definitely restart this discussion. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:52, 19 November 2018 (EST)
Sounds good. Please refrain from making any changes to these IDs until and unless the consensus has been changed. Ahasuerus 21:55, 19 November 2018 (EST)
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