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The Unfriendly Future

I thought I posted this here already but it seems to have disappeared. I'm nearly 100% sure that the cover of The Unfriendly Future is by Gino D'Achille, because the "gd" initials on the cover match the g and d on his signature on the first image at this link. Yes, it's five years before D'Achille's first credited cover, but he was in London doing other book work (illustrations for Bible stories, etc.) so it's plausible, especially given the initials. I want to know whether that's enough evidence to make the attribution. Mphillips 21:57, 3 June 2018 (EDT)

Actually, they don't match. The Mars cover uses capitals, The Unfriendly Future lower case. There have been a few different ways D'Achille used his initials, but I don't recall one with g.d. Enough for speculation but not enough for a definite attribution. --~ Bill, Bluesman 15:05, 5 June 2018 (EDT)
I'm not talking about the final Mars cover, I'm talking about the first image on that page (here it is by itself), the rough version, in which he uses a lowercase signature in which the g and d match the gd on The Unfriendly Future. Mphillips 17:52, 5 June 2018 (EDT)
Now I see what you mean, looking only at the g and d from the written signature does seem to match. I see you pinged Andy as well, if he agrees we can add the attribution, the other two aren't active. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:02, 5 June 2018 (EDT)
Cool. If he agrees, should/can I make the edit? Not sure what the protocol is on things like this. Thanks. Mphillips 18:05, 5 June 2018 (EDT)
Sure, and include the link to the image with the signature. In the Note to Moderator box put something about the change being as per discussion, in case I'm not the one who handles it, the moderator will know what prompted the change. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:08, 5 June 2018 (EDT)
Well crap. During my Sherlock Holmesing, I reached out to D'Achille's estate, not expecting an answer. His daughter Simona just replied and says she is convinced it's not her dad's work: (1) He kept scrupulous records of his work and there's nothing about this, and (2) she's never seen a work that used these initials. She acknowledged the similarity to the other signatures I found, and she's going to look through his sketches to see if this turns up anywhere else, but as of now she says it's not him. I guess we need to remove the attribution? And I need to hang up my deerstalker. One positive is that she's going to send me his list of all the covers he did, so hopefully we'll get some other attributions from that. // Mphillips 23:09, 24 June 2018 (EDT)
Keep the deerstalker, you've merely noticed that all good efforts don't necessarily end at the point you thought they might. Artists [and most especially their relatives] are usually quite willing to interact/answer questions. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:54, 10 November 2018 (EST)

Opinion about canonical name of Oscar Arias Sánchez?

Hi-- You verified an issue of Omni in which the politician Óscar Arias Sánchez is interviewed (his only appearance in this database, since he never wrote science fiction). I am currently wondering whether his canonical name ought to include the accent on the Ó, even though it wasn't printed that way in his one and only magazine appearance (I think-- maybe you could look at the magazine and make sure it isn't there?) Sorry to bother you about such an annoyingly trivial matter, but do you have an opinion on whether to make the canonical form of his name the "proper" spelling or the way it was in Omni? Thanks, --Vasha 14:40, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

The legal name, sure, but if the canonical is changed then there would be a pretty useless variant crying out in the darkness .... ;-)) --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:07, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
What I meant was, that it isn't possible with the software to have both accented and unaccented versions of the name, so we need to choose one or the other and set that as the canonical name. Right now, the canonical form is without accents. It really makes very little difference, since his only publication is in English and printed that way. But in the unlikely event that we add some Spanish-language publications for this guy, it becomes more important to add the accents to his name. Do it now so that it doesn't get overlooked in the future? Keep it the English way? --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 15:04, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
Right now the canonical has one accent, the legal name two. And unless he writes memoirs there aren't going to be any further publications, and we wouldn't add them anyway unless maybe he was kidnapped by aliens. Just leave it. --~ Bill, Bluesman 15:08, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

Blanking Data

I'm going to restore the data that you blanked from the notes for Gunn's The Road to Science Fiction: From Gilgamesh to Wells. As I'm certain you are aware, your objection to this sort of data was discussed in 2015. I raised the issue again last week. In neither discussion was there a consensus that this data should be prohibited. If you still feel this data ought to be disallowed, feel free to try to convince the community and reach a consensus to prohibit it. Failing that, please do not delete such data. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 20:19, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

These useless numbers are NOT data. They are unlinkable, now and likely forever. We're trying to reduce the addition of external links from the notes [just clutter] and you're continuing to add completely worthless ones just because some pretentious bookseller puts them in their ads. I'll continue to remove them when I see them. --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:39, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
I'm going to add this data back. Please see this discussion and refrain from blanking these edits in the future. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 07:00, 20 June 2018 (EDT)
Not likely ........... --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:59, 10 November 2018 (EST)
I have adjusted the Wiki link in Ron's note above since the discussion has been archived. The Cliff Notes version is that the consensus was not to remove catalog numbers (from secondary sources) from notes. If you would like to restart this discussion, please post on the Moderator Noticeboard. Ahasuerus 19:59, 10 November 2018 (EST)


The signature on this cover is not R. de Sant, but R. DeSoto, hence Rafael DeSoto. See flickr for a clear cover scan. See also The Haploids for another Lion Books cover by DeSoto. Horzel 15:52, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

Cover on my copy is cropped just a hair and the last part of the signature was a guess. Even the flickr shot isn't the clearest, but will do. Good find as usual! --~ Bill, Bluesman 13:57, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

New Worlds artist identified

Hi Bill, it appears Facebook does have its uses from time to time. Michael Moorcock has identified the uncredited artist for the story "I Remember, Anita ..." in your verified New Worlds #144, as being Maeve Gilmore Peake, wife of Mervyn Peake. The details are here, but as it's on a Facebook group page I have no idea if you will be able to see it (the group is 'British Science Fiction Magazine Collectors'). She also has a few other pieces of uncredited artwork in New Worlds, details to be established. Just letting you know in case you or Hervé wish to add the credit. Thanks. PeteYoung 10:59, 14 June 2018 (EDT)

Galileo's Daughter

Hi-- I was a bit surprised to find this history/biography book in the database. I've read it, and as far as I can recall, it has nothing to do with speculative fiction. Noneteheless, someone clearly went to a lot of trouble adding multiple editions to the database; was that you (since I see your secondary verifications)? Normally, I might post a request to the notice boards asking for an irrelevant book like this to be removed, but I'd like to hear from whoever added it first. --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 18:37, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

In Humanity 2.0, you have "eʰ" entered as a novelette. However, it recently appeared online, where it is 5950 words long. --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 13:41, 20 June 2018 (EDT)

Childhood's End

Childhood’s End; Shouldn’t the External ID be WorldCat/OCLC and not ASIN? --AndyjMo 08:34, 23 June 2018 (EDT)

There Will Be Time

The cover artist of this is Fernando Fernandez, see his site. Horzel 17:55, 24 June 2018 (EDT)

The Sands of Mars

The cover artist of this is Fernando Fernandez, the signature on the cover is the same as on for example The Other Side of the Sky. Horzel 18:08, 24 June 2018 (EDT)

The City and the Stars

Cover artist of this is also Fernando Fernandez, the original art is credited on, apparently by the artist himself. Horzel 18:19, 24 June 2018 (EDT)


Rork!; The Catalog ID field has the value “0-532-15227-4”. Shouldn’t this value be in the ISBN field? --AndyjMo 16:58, 26 June 2018 (EDT)

No, the checksum is invalid, thus the whole number is reduced to a catalog#. The field used to be left blank when this happened because the false number generated an error message. Now we can at least display it. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:58, 10 November 2018 (EST)

If the Stars Are Gods

Cover artist of this is of course Angus McKie, finally credited here in 2002. Horzel 14:49, 27 June 2018 (EDT)

Orbit -> Orbit (US) + additional content in Honor Among Thieves in your verified pubs

Hi Bill. I have a situation with an editor proposing to change a bunch of pubs having "Orbit" or other Orbit variations to "Orbit (US)". I've put them all on hold. You're primary verifier of a lot of them, some as recently as a couple of weeks ago. Would you take a look at the submissions and see if you agree?

Also, the same editor submitted a proposed import of the short story "Silver and Scarlet" into your verified Honor Among Thieves. That's in the set of things I have on hold, too -- I let him know about the ask-primary-verifiers policy. Let me know if that one's ok, too. Thanks. --MartyD 08:35, 30 June 2018 (EDT)

I ended up putting both of these changes through. Please review when you get a chance. BTW, I tried using the wiki's email-sending feature -- I don't know if the message made it to you or got blocked along the way. --MartyD 19:23, 9 July 2018 (EDT)
For whatever reason [and I see it has been sort of addressed??] I received no email. This [country] addition to publishers is a holdover from the original infusion of data from Locus. I don't see it as useful, as the currency in any record shows the origin of the edition/printing. The financial/legal reasons for publishers' being sort-of separate entities in diverse countries really isn't a bibliographical concern. I think we should just drop it. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:05, 10 November 2018 (EST)

A Maze of Death

Hello Bill. I've added "Author's Foreword" to our verified. Cheers, Linguist 08:33, 3 July 2018 (EDT).

Planned Project Scope Expansion

(I am leaving this note on the Talk pages of some of the more active editors to make sure that we are not missing anything. If you have been following this Rules and Standards discussion and agree with the proposal, please ignore this note.)

As per this discussion, ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition is about to be expanded to include:

  • Speculative fiction webzines, which are defined as online periodicals with distinct issues
  • Special speculative fiction issues of non-genre webzines
  • One time speculative fiction anthologies published on the Web

If you believe that this scope expansion may cause unforeseen and/or undesirable consequences, please share your thoughts on the Rules and Standards page. TIA! Ahasuerus 11:23, 4 July 2018 (EDT)

Five Weeks in a Balloon / Around the World in Eighty Days

You have verified this pub. I am updating the 1926 first edition of these translations published by Dent and plan to separate the titles and annotate them with the translators and translation text then variant them back to the original French. Your pub will still refer to the generic (i.e. translator not known) version of the titles. My plan is to eventually go through these generic publications and identify specific translations. Would you permit me to modify this publication once the first edition is correctly configured?

By the way, the original is #779 in the series, is yours really #1779?

../Doug H 14:52, 4 July 2018 (EDT)

Yes, 1779 it is. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:07, 10 November 2018 (EST)

The Deathworld Trilogy

I have added David Egge as the cover artist for this pub and updated the notes with the source of the credit. It was interior art in a Galileo magazine issue of Sept. 1978. ../Doug H 17:29, 5 July 2018 (EDT)

Ellison's Doomsman

Re this book Joachim Boaz of SF Ruminations has informed me via Twitter that this cover is not Valigursky but Paul Lehr repurposing a portion of Valigusky's art from Asimov's 1,000 Year Plan - see here. I was asked by Joachim to correct the error but since I don't own a copy I'm not going to fo that merely informing you that the artist is "suspect" --Mavmaramis 15:04, 6 July 2018 (EDT)

Further to this Joachim Boax has identified the background as this book --Mavmaramis 12:53, 9 July 2018 (EDT)
Excellent! Like the co-artist credit much better. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:09, 10 November 2018 (EST)


Hello, I found a note on this pub about the cover artist. I guess there is a big confusion because on the title list there are 3 different spellings of the artist: "Mike Posen", "Mick Posen", "Nick Posen", but there are additional "Michael Posen" and "M. Posen" in the name directory. I prefer to choose Mike as the main artist's name and the others as pseudonyms. What do You think? I couldn't find any website of him, yet. --Zapp 14:38, 11 July 2018 (EDT)

We enter artists as they are credited in the individual editions/printings, with pseudonyms linking disparate spellings together. NEVER list by the canonical if the book notes it otherwise. If the credit is by signature, or secondary source, then we choose the canonical for the attribution. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:13, 10 November 2018 (EST)

The Tombs of Atuan

I guess this pub could be the 7th printing according to publication date between 6th and 8th printing. --Zapp 03:36, 14 July 2018 (EDT)
And this pub could be the 5th printing according to publication date between 4th and 6th printing. --Zapp 03:40, 14 July 2018 (EDT)

You would have to ask someone who has the 11th printing. I do not. ;-)) Bantam is usually very reliable, but ... --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:20, 10 November 2018 (EST)

New Soviet Science Fiction

Re this publication, I changed the title of the Dneprov story on page 115 from 'Formula of Immortality' to 'Formula for Immortality'. Also had to change the format from 'pb' to 'tp'. Cheers, --Willem 16:45, 16 July 2018 (EDT)

The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

A quick FYI that "Acknowledgments (The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark)" has been added to your verified The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark. Ahasuerus 11:17, 18 July 2018 (EDT)

Cover art for The Science Fiction Hall of Fame, Volume IV

The uncredited artwork for this is by Tony Roberts, as can be seen here. Have at it! Cheers. PeteYoung 15:07, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

Been a few weeks so I've done it. Cheers. PeteYoung 13:18, 9 August 2018 (EDT)

A Brief History of Time: from the Big Bang to Black Holes

Added a bibliographic note to A Brief History of Time: from the Big Bang to Black Holes. PS: Your link to your page for adding notes seems to be broken.SFJuggler 22:44, 22 July 2018 (EDT)

Deliberately so, see above somewhere ... --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:21, 10 November 2018 (EST)

Dating early Ace editions

In one of our earlier discussions, you mentioned a spread-sheet of ads that could help date early Ace publications. Such input would be useful in this discussion. ../Doug H 11:54, 31 July 2018 (EDT)

City of Illusions OCLC

2nd printing of City of Illusions has ACE code 10701. G-626 is the first printing which is referenced in the OCLC record 429001. I think your comments are on the OCLC code for these two editions is incorrect, and there is no OCLC code for the second prining. Let me know what you think Tom TAWeiss 23:04, 3 August 2018 (EDT)

Amazing Stories, March 1990

I’ve been doing some clean-up of the Amazing Stories listings and I’m curious, in the March 1990 issue is The Literary Career of W. T. Quick: Current Directions ... and Past Achievements a short story or an essay? I suspect it is an essay, but won’t change it unless you say so.

I know, I know, will nobody rid you of these pesky lowly editors with no life. MLB 18:02, 7 August 2018 (EDT)


Regarding this edition of Nightwings, the cover artist is Dave Pether. I just bought the original painting from him and it is now in the Welshgriffin Collection. Welshgriffin 19:49, 7 August 2018 (EDT)

Lucky you! Do you have an online gallery for viewing?? --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:22, 10 November 2018 (EST)

Zoo 2000: The King of Beasts

Hi Bill, Philip José Farmer's story "The King of the Beasts" is also written as "The King of Beasts", or even as "King of Beasts". You've entered the story with its original title in Zoo 2000 [1], but that is not correct. The story's title is here however: "The King of Beasts". This title is given in the ToC and on the story page. Would and could you correct this? So I can clone the book for two other editions. Thanks and best, Rias -- Zlan52 10:36, 9 August 2018 (EDT)

Done! You should have just emailed me, as my presence here is somewhat a crap-shoot!!! But then there's no way anyone could know that ... By the way. I need a new 'want' list from you. I've come across at least one I think you want but I've overwritten the last list so many times I don't know if I've sent you a copy or not .... yes, I still look!! Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:31, 10 November 2018 (EST)
Hey, you're back! Great! Thanks for the correction, I will add the other books. And a new want list will be send to you by e-mail. Take care! Zlan52 07:46, 30 November 2018 (EST)

"Kollapse" by Benford in "Worlds Vast and Various"

Hi. Could you please check the copyright date for "Kollapse" in Gregory Benford's collection "Worlds Vast and Various"? In the anthology "Lamps on the Brow" it's "(c) 1998 Abbenford Association". If the copyright in "Worlds Vast …" is 1995, then please check and let me know whether the last paragraph of the story is, "Wirehead had died of thirst, apparently, lips and tongue leathery and purple. His arms were wrapped around his laptop and satellite dish, as if to draw energy from them." It's possible Benford edited the story for "Lamps on the Brow", since it's supposed to be an original anthology. Thanks. Markwood 12:16, 9 August 2018 (EDT)

Interesting. The actual © is 1997 "as originally issued in September issue of Science Fiction Age ". The last paragraph is as you quote. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:38, 10 November 2018 (EST)

Private Games not spec fic?

I've been looking for a spec fic element in Private Games. I couldn't find it. Delete ? MagicUnk 17:28, 5 September 2018 (EDT)

Lord of Light SFBC edition

I think we should merge your pub and this pub together, adding your gutter code. What do you think? TAWeiss 11:01, 8 September 2018 (EDT)

NO. While we definitely keep SFBC editions together if the only difference is the gutter code, we do create different records if the cover or 'catalog' number change. In this case the addition of the leading '0' means a different record. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:42, 10 November 2018 (EST)
Good to know. Thanks. TAWeiss 22:32, 10 November 2018 (EST)

Mike Mars in Orbit

Re: your PV'd, Pub Note says, "First printing has gutter code "C21" [verified] on page 181 …." I've got 2 copies, and the "C21" gutter code is on page 188, not page 181, in both. (And both have "First Edition" on copyright page, per Pub Note.) Is yours really on page 181? If so, I'll create a variant for my copies. Thx. Markwood 14:55, 9 September 2018 (EDT)

Typo, Fixed. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:51, 10 November 2018 (EST)


Hi-- If your copy of Land/Space happens to be accessible, could you check whether the author's name on page 31 is printed "Renee Bennett" or "Renée Bennett"? Thanks! (BTW I have fixed the capitalization of the story titles in this publication.) --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 18:30, 14 September 2018 (EDT)

Unfortunately, the software is stupid. Even when I change the credit to one with the accent, because the canonical name doesn't have it the edit produces no change. This is something to take up with Ahasuerus. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:29, 10 November 2018 (EST)

Typo fix in Starlight 3

Since I have a copy of Starlight 3, I went ahead and corrected "Madeleine E. Robbins" to "Madeleine E. Robins." --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 01:36, 1 October 2018 (EDT)


User Mphillips found the cover artist for Stardreamer, see here. I added credit and notes. --Willem 04:54, 15 October 2018 (EDT)

The Magic May Return

Cover art of this is not by interior artist Alicia Austin, but by John Berkey, the art is part of Berkey's FP 1996 trading card set. See ebay, fifth row, fifth item of the uncut sheet shown there. Horzel 07:58, 9 November 2018 (EST)

Welcome back!

Welcome back, Bill! Not a whole lot has changed in the ISFDB world since June, but a few policies have been tweaked or expanded -- see the bottom of the Rules and standards changelog page for details.

How is life outside? Is it true that a big yellowish object hangs overhead much of the time? Sounds disconcerting and possibly unsafe, if you ask me! Ahasuerus 19:26, 10 November 2018 (EST)

Hey, there! Nice to be missed [I think]. Policies were never my strong suit, so we'll encounter them when it's apropos. And yes, the sun does shine on Canada, ever so much more brightly than on your hate-divided country. Very heavy sigh on that .......... I have to say that my re-emergence is not due to any particular reason, as Don Erikson once so perfectly said "sometimes life just gets in the way"!! I, on the other hand, simply went elsewhere, for good reasons which will not be discussed here. I am saddened by the loss of Hervé, and will seek him out and have a chat. He's one of the few who were obstinate enough to defend what this database ought to be, though he didn't always do that to anyone else's 'beat'. Shit happens ... As much as we butted heads, the sole purpose was to better the isfdb, which I think escapes way too many current editors. I'm not preaching, just coming to terms with certain realities. Not sure how long I will be back [at least until I clear a couple of hundred books on my desk] but whatever time I spend here will be quite proactive. We'll see how that goes. Cheers!  ;-))) --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:45, 10 November 2018 (EST)

The Best of Cordwainer Smith

Hi. The Pub Notes for your PV'd "The Best of Cordwainer Smith" ( say, "First printing has gutter code "24R" [verified] on page 341". In my copy, that first printing code is on page 337 (with no printing code on page 341.) Need to determine if Pub Note is wrong, or if I've got a verified variant. I'm posting this note to the other PV's, also. Thanks in advance for response. Markwood 11:37, 12 November 2018 (EST)

Indeed, and now corrected. Michael isn't answering these days, so not waiting for a second look. All the rest are long gone, though Don may re-emerge some day. --~ Bill, Bluesman 12:49, 12 November 2018 (EST)
I emailed Michael, and got a reply: "I can confirm that the gutter code "24R" is on page 341 of my copy." So … I'll edit Pub Notes to say both are verified. Markwood 18:14, 12 November 2018 (EST)
Most interesting! That almost has to indicate two 'runs', perhaps at both plants? Good to know Michael responds to at least emails. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:20, 12 November 2018 (EST)
And just got another email from Michael saying, "Sorry, I meant to say that my copy had "H 17" on page 341. It is an obvious later printing. I will make the correction. Again, sorry for the confusion." Assume he'll fix it. Markwood 19:25, 12 November 2018 (EST)
Now that's funny ... lol. We'll have to retrain him if he comes back ... hmmm, maybe I shouldn't say that. The number of typos I've put in in just a few hours one would think I haven't seen a keyboard in months. --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:11, 12 November 2018 (EST)

"To Tell at a Glance" in Asimov's The Winds of Change and Other Stories

Hi, Bill, you were at the top of PVs for this title and that's a good excuse to say 'Welcome back': it's wonderful to have you around again! I'm writing because of a submission in the pipeline that wants to change the title date for said story to 1977-02-00 (right now it appears as a 1983 first publication). Is there any hint for a previous publication, for example in a magazine? Christian Stonecreek 09:26, 13 November 2018 (EST)

Never mind, I have just found a copy of the collection's German translation at the local second hand bookstore, and it has the original copyright statements, which claim this story to be a first publication. I'll reject the submission. Stonecreek 00:15, 16 November 2018 (EST)
After reading the introduction to the story, I've added a note to it. Stonecreek 10:41, 16 November 2018 (EST)
First edition notes "Hitherto unpublished in this form" for the story, the intro tells the rest. --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:45, 18 November 2018 (EST)

The Witch of Blackbird Pond

Please come participate in this discussion. Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:04, 15 November 2018 (EST)

Since it was decided that this book does not contain any speculative fiction elements, here's the publication information if you wish to keep it:

  • Publication: The Witch of Blackbird Pond Publication Record # 580177 [Edit]
  • Author: Elizabeth George Speare
  • Date: 1973-01-00
  • Catalog ID: 9577
  • Publisher: Dell
  • Price: $0.75
  • Pages: 223
  • Format: pb
  • Type: NOVEL
  • Notes:
    • Printing history:
      • First Dell printing—April 1971
      • Second Dell Printing—August 1971
      • Third Dell Printing—October 1971
      • Fourth Dell printing—March 1972
      • Fifth Dell printing—July 1972
      • Sixth Dell printing—September 1972
      • Seventh Dell printing—January 1973
    • No number line
    • The artist is not credited, no visible signature on the artwork
    • Printed in the US
  • External IDs:
    • OCLC/WorldCat: 779053205

···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:52, 19 November 2018 (EST)

Thanks, I guess ... don't have the book and won't be entering any other copy if one falls out of another bulk-buy. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 13:58, 19 November 2018 (EST)

The Land That Time Forgot

The cover artist of this is Armand Weston, his signature 'Weston' can be found on the movie poster (to the left, just above the water) that bears the same art. Horzel 04:46, 16 November 2018 (EST)

Quite visible on the cover art - if you know where to look! Good eyes! --~ Bill, Bluesman 13:44, 18 November 2018 (EST)

The Finest Crew in the Fleet


Can you check this one - is it really "The Next Generation Cast On Screnn and Off" or is it "Screen" instead? Thanks! And welcome back :) Annie 06:07, 19 November 2018 (EST)

Fixed. There are probably more current typos - my typing after five months away is nothing short of atrocious ... ;-)) --~ Bill, Bluesman 13:05, 19 November 2018 (EST)

IDs of Secondary Verification Sources in Notes

Could you please respond to User:Rtrace's post on the ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Data_Blanking_Again Moderator Noticeboard? This is a follow-up to the last discussion re: removing IDs of secondary verification sources that are documented in publication notes. As I wrote on November 10, "the consensus was not to remove catalog numbers (from secondary sources) from notes. If you would like to restart this discussion, please post on the Moderator Noticeboard."

As stated in Moderator Qualifications, moderators must "comply with the consensus gained on the ISFDB Wiki on the resolution of various bibliographic debates". We all have our individual preferences, but if we start deleting data that other editors have entered in accordance with Policy and consensus, the project will quickly fall apart. We can't let that happen; please reconsider and abide by consensus. Ahasuerus 21:47, 19 November 2018 (EST)

I will definitely restart this discussion. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:52, 19 November 2018 (EST)
Sounds good. Please refrain from making any changes to these IDs until and unless the consensus has been changed. Ahasuerus 21:55, 19 November 2018 (EST)
There is a Moderator Noticeboard report of your removal of IDs earlier today. As I mentioned earlier, as per Moderator Qualifications moderators must "comply with the consensus gained on the ISFDB Wiki on the resolution of various bibliographic debates". We can't have moderators go against the consensus. Can I have your assurances that it won't happen again until and unless the consensus changes? Ahasuerus 15:55, 5 December 2018 (EST)

memory, stephen king

I labeled this story/excerpt as nongenre, assuming you as verifier don't object. Thanks. gzuckier 22:26, 20 November 2018 (EST)

I never read King, just end up with some of his books when I buy collections. Nongenre is fine by me. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:31, 3 December 2018 (EST)

Two more novella cases

Hello Bill, there are Midsummer Century by James Blish, which has just around 100 pages of text as a stand-alone publication and 95 pp. within the same-named collection, and there's Planet of No Return that also should be of novella length. If there's no objection, I'd like to change the title types for both to SHORTFICTION (novella). Christian Stonecreek 15:05, 22 November 2018 (EST)

Both seem to run around 30-35,000 words, and changing then will change some omnibus editions to collections. Go for it! --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:29, 3 December 2018 (EST)

Galaxy's Edge, Issue 31, March 2018

Hello Bill,

Can you look at this story in the magazine. Does it really have a closing bracket at the end without an opening one somewhere before that in the title? Thanks! Annie 13:29, 26 November 2018 (EST)

. . . And Baby Makes Three

I changed the designation of . . . And Baby Makes Three from a short story to that of an essay. MLB 02:59, 27 November 2018 (EST)

I've put the submission on hold while waiting for a positive answer from you, Bill. Stonecreek 06:26, 27 November 2018 (EST)
With no answer I decided to approve of the submission for the time being. Christian Stonecreek 05:24, 3 December 2018 (EST)
It doesn't read like an essay. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:23, 3 December 2018 (EST)
I'm okay with changing it back: as I pointed out to the submitter we have quite some cases where something is declared as an ESSAY but we'd consider as SHORTFICTION, and I don't know this particular piece. Christian Stonecreek 23:39, 3 December 2018 (EST)
Sorry, I should have said that differently. It's actually listed as an essay in the acknowledgments, but reads like a story [though perhaps true ...]. --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:41, 3 December 2018 (EST)

The Snows of Olympus

I've added records for the Prologue and Introduction to Clarke's The Snows of Olympus to my verified pub, if you wish to import them into yours. Thanks. PeteYoung 02:21, 30 November 2018 (EST)

Blanking Data

“Blanking data” …. an interesting euphemism, I prefer “Taking out the garbage”. Two notes first: this is about content or substance, very little to do with process or form. Second, this is not the first discussion or comment about these numbers, more like the fifth or sixth.

It’s an ‘interesting’ development that seems to have arisen over the last few years. If an idea gets put forth often enough the detractors get sick and tired of fighting it and cease replying/engaging so eventually only the ‘for’ contingent is left and VOILA!! - a consensus is reached. So, take heart all editors, no matter how inane or useless an idea is, just keep pushing [and of course ignoring any negative sentiments/feedback - think Vasha] and some day you’ll get your wish. This is not to detract from the good ideas, as those usually only have to be discussed once or twice. It’s not a condemnation of the process of collaboration, as all such have their faults.

At least the first two/three times this ‘data’ was discussed [and it goes back years so I’m not going to look for them] the reaction was: clutter, useless, stop doing it. So being accused of disregarding ‘consensus’ is more than a little annoying as that’s what’s been happening with every inclusion of these numbers for years. And remember, the ONLY reason this started was because the perpetrator saw them being included in a bookseller’s ads and thought it was neat idea. I’ll repeat: the ONLY reason this started was because the perpetrator saw them being included in a bookseller’s ads and thought it was a neat idea. They’ve been going into notes for about five years and I’ve been removing them for about five years. I don’t care who/what any pretentious bookseller does in their ads to impress a buyer that because their book is noted in some OTHER book that makes it worth at least 50% more than any other copy for sale - doesn’t make it anything more than a selling ploy.

Why do we have separate records? A facetious question but an important one. We do it because there are an untold number of editions/printings from various publishers of almost every title we include. What are the individual records for? To identify what makes that particular edition/printing different from any other with that title. Sometimes we have to use external sources to add information [dates/artists] and wherever possible to link to those sources [i.e. - proof]. A recent addition to the form of the record is the external ID list, a good thing as it decreases the clutter that was beginning to take over the notes. So, it really boggles the mind that numbers are being deliberately added to possibly ± 38,000 records [and that’s just Reginald] plus an estimated 200,000 more [Tuck almost can’t be counted, Curry maybe 5-6,000, the two Clute encyclopedias maybe 50,000] when we have an external field for them. [If you think this will stop when Reginald/Bleiler are exhausted, not too likely] Oh, wait ……. [drumroll] ……. none of these are linkable!!!! And I would bet my pension they never will be. This means that unless one owns a copy of the book[s] they are completely and utterly useless - merely a pretentious aping of a pretentious bookseller. And the fact that they are being deliberately hidden should say all one needs to know about their value. Even in this ‘text me [I can’t spell]’ age the alphabet is all one needs. And, gasp, each book has a ‘How to use this book’ section in the front! Wow! Who’d a-thought that! The idea that anyone who owns copies of the books we use for most secondary verifications couldn’t find an entry without the 'hidden treasures’ is ludicrous. On a slightly different plane: the current formulation of this non-data makes it look like the notes came from the sources being hidden. Posit for just a dreamish second: should any of the above sources be digitized, now every single one of these numerical delights would need to be removed. It’s been how many months of work to get a portion of the OCLC links/numbers moved and that started at only 60,000?

The opening of this particular door is dangerous. It tells any prospective new editor they can add anything they want as long as they hide it. Yes, the moderators should catch/nip most of this in the bud but what happens when it’s a moderator? If this succession of edits had been done by a non-mod we wouldn’t be having this discussion. So much actual, real data gets put in notes that belongs at a whole different level. A revision gets noted thirty times in records instead of once at the title level. Addresses of publishers [yes, we get those, and I don’t mean ones used to identify nefarious printings by Ace] when we have a whole page for each publisher. I love the ones where the nano-second a magazine shows up in a mailbox gets noted - how does that get past a moderator?? Just musing, folks. Not condemning anyone specific, but sometimes the urge to clear the queue [other than by rejecting everything] just takes over. Been there, done that. It seems that the Idea of “if it’s on the copyright page it has to go in the notes” is taking over and it’s just so much junk. If it doesn’t distunguish the edition/printing for that specific record, it shouldn’t be there. We have other places for real data that transcends any individual printing. But there’s still no place for these ridiculous numbers. They should simply be excised until that far distant day when/if the book[s] are linkable. Not data, not content, just clutter [hidden or not].

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Please do not reply here. If anyone wants to discuss/disect/decry the above, move it somewhere else. In about a week I’ll delete it and post something similar to Michael’s page. Being here just isn’t as much fun as it used to be, but I’m still a bibliographer at heart and there’s just SO many books.

Your Talk page

I noticed that the text that you added yesterday overwrote the previous version of the Talk page. Did you mean to create a new section or perhaps archive the page? If you'd like help with archiving, please let me know and I'll create a new archival sub-page. Ahasuerus 12:52, 9 December 2018 (EST)

There were no unresolved posts. I am quite familiar with how to archive, it just wasn't necessary. --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:16, 10 December 2018 (EST)
Re: unresolved posts, my last reply prior to the data getting overwritten was:
  • There is a Moderator Noticeboard report of your removal of IDs earlier today. As I mentioned earlier, as per Moderator Qualifications moderators must "comply with the consensus gained on the ISFDB Wiki on the resolution of various bibliographic debates". We can't have moderators go against the consensus. Can I have your assurances that it won't happen again until and unless the consensus changes? Ahasuerus 15:55, 5 December 2018 (EST)
My question remains unresolved. It's an important question since, as I said, we can't have moderators go against the consensus. Can I have your assurances, please?
In addition, we archive resolved Talk page discussions rather than delete them. They are a valuable source of supporting information in case similar issues arise in the future. Please use Wiki history to restore the overwritten data and archive it. Ahasuerus 15:50, 13 December 2018 (EST)
I have confirmed that you deleted an ID earlier today in spite of multiple requests not to go against the consensus. As I have repeatedly said, this goes against what is stated in Moderator Qualifications. Your moderator privileges have been suspended until I get assurances that this will not happen again. Ahasuerus 22:40, 13 December 2018 (EST)
I have restored your Talk page and archived November 2017 through May 2018. Ahasuerus 17:13, 15 December 2018 (EST)

Questions about Candas Jane Dorsey stories

I'm adding stories to a new collection of Candas Jane Dorsey's, Ice and Other Stories, and have questions about previously-published stories from sources you verified. 1. I added "Once Upon a Time ..." to Vanilla and Other Stories. It wasn't one of the speculative ones you previously put in the contents there, so I marked it non-genre. Does that make sense? The editors of Ice and Other Stories apparently thought it was speculative. 2. In Tesseracts Nine, you have the title of Dorsey's story as "Mom and Mother Theresa," although in both of its subsequent publications it is "Mom and Mother Teresa." Could you double-check that? Thanks! --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 15:46, 20 December 2018 (EST)

"Theresa' is a typo, there's no 'h'. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:18, 28 December 2018 (EST)

Analog, April 2016

Added the short story Lonely Hearts of the Spinward Ring by Paddy Kelly to Analog, April 2016 which I had somehow omitted when I listed this issue. MLB 21:42, 20 December 2018 (EST)

Galaxy's Edge Magazines

A couple of pretty minor questions: all of the issues [I have all but one] are exactly the same size but the records have no less than three used [pulp, quarto and tp]. Quarto is way off but if I read the Format section in the Help correctly then tp would be the best fit. I don't care which, but at least they should all be the same. Second is regarding the title. About half use a semi-colon after the issue # and about half use a comma. The magazine hasn't changed its format by so much as a millimeter since day one and there is always the semi-colon on the copyright/TOC page. Even the covers which spell out the issue number use the semi-colon. Should I keep correcting these? I did a couple but they're still pending, then thought a quick question would be appropriate. --Artisan 15:06, 25 December 2018 (EST)

Good catches on both. When I first started to enter the magazine four years ago I don't recall if the 'tp' binding was even available for magazines [which is probably why the first few noted 'pulp' as the closest]. Definitely with the definition as stated, that's the correct one for all issues. As for the semi-colon, someone has been in and changed a few of the titles to a comma as I always copy-paste from the title to the one continuing/generically titled essay by Resnick and there are issues which have the title with a comma but the essay with the semi-colon. Most definitely all should be with the latter. Be my guest. I no longer buy it, so won't be entering any more records/contents. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:27, 28 December 2018 (EST)

No Stars For Us

Hi, the signature on this is either Enrich SI or Henrich SI. Since Enric Torres-Prat worked for the major Spanish agency Selecciones Illustradas, I would not be surprised if that's the same (H)Enric(h). Merry Christmas! Horzel 08:42, 26 December 2018 (EST)

Not familiar with his background. The only comment I would make is that the signatures I have seen [mostly on Star Trek books] have been lower case. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:22, 28 December 2018 (EST)

Satan's Reach and Dark Light

I've updated the notes on Satan's Reach with clarification on cover art, price, copyright info, and updated the scan with better quality image. Let me know if you disagree. MagicUnk 16:49, 12 January 2019 (EST)

Likewise the notes in your verified Dark Light. --MartyD 10:43, 13 January 2019 (EST)
Yup... MagicUnk 12:09, 13 January 2019 (EST)
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