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== Post-submission pages for Edit Publication submissions updated ==
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== PVR ==
  
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All "Modified Content" tables displayed on EditPub post-submission pages have been updated. Table cells which used to say "Current" now display a link to the Title ID about to be modified. Multiple yellow warnings are now displayed correctly and include the names of new/alternate name/disambiguated authors.
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=rosenkr&type=Name; Palie von is actually Palle von per contents page photo online, novel is not genre from what I can gather online, Palle Rosenkrantz story is not genre per online reviews, neither really belong here, didn't notice this until I'd already entered bio info for Rosenkrantz, cancelled my edit, I think both names should be deleted, probably other contents from 1960 omnibus and Martin Edwards anthology are not genre and should be removed, too (there's a note in the anthology's record mentioning this). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:30, 2 November 2023 (EDT)
  
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This pretty much completes the cleanup of post-submission pages. As always, if you come across errors or anything unexpected, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:30, 30 March 2023 (EDT)
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== Rageot ==
  
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: The software has been tweaked to display a yellow warning if a non-existing series, publication series or publisher matches a disambiguated record of the same type. For example, this yellow warning will be displayed if a submission uses "The Rules" in the "Series" field because we already have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?62626 The Rules (F. T. Lukens)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?55408 The Rules (Aaron Oster)] on file. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:26, 2 April 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=rageot&type=Publisher; I have a PENDING edit fixing/adding stuff re: someone else's recent edit for a book published by Rageot and I noticed ISFDB has records for that name which was on the title page and the longer name, Rageot-Éditeur, which was on the copyright page. So really all books should probably be merged under one name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:30, 3 November 2023 (EDT)
  
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== Several Problems ==
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== Science Fictional Solar System ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5590099; I was going to cancel this since nobody came to an agreement about what the publisher should be but when I looked at it I realized the note makes no sense because it describes a 1977 date for this 1983 book, also edit history's 2014 entry is offset from the rest so there seems to be a problem there, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:36, 1 April 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?32159; The UK HC & book club editions say Martin H. Greenberg on their cover, 2 eBay copies of book club don't show title page, does anyone own either edition who can verify what his name is on title page? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:28, 4 November 2023 (EDT)
  
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== Resurrected Holmes ==
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== Brad Steiger Stories ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?33870; I made some edits, still pending, adding March to the title date, correcting the title to "The Resurrected Holmes" since whoever entered info here went by the cover title and not the title page plus I imported the "Giant Rat" story in the HC into the TP. The contents are on OL and there's an Archive.org copy of the TP; if anyone knows which of the contents are genre or were written by authors above-the-threshold they may want to flesh the records out, but be aware that 1 story, R. Lupoff's "The Adventure of the Boulevard Assassin", was reprinted in his collection Claremont Tales II as "The Adventures of the Boulevard Assassin" so a variant will be needed; unlike the few other non-genre stories in that collection nobody entered a note saying where it originally came from even though it says so on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:25, 1 April 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5805263; I didn't change the dates of Steiger's stories but I think they're both wrong. "Detroit", being a variant title, should have the date of this anthology, I think, and "Huntsman" should have a 1966 date as copyright page says. Am I right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:01, 5 November 2023 (EST)
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:Yes, titles are dated per first appearance of that form of the title. Updates made. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:51, 5 November 2023 (EST)
  
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== Introduction Title Question ==
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== Amazon WEBP Images ==
  
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An editor submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5626362 this edit] changing the titles of the two introductions in {{P|602865|this publication}}.  For each introduction, there is the word Introduction in a large font over an author credit (e.g. "by China Miéville") in a significantly smaller font.  Each essay is also signed with the author's name at the end of the text.  I had originally considered the byline to be a simple author credit and thus titled each essay simply "Introduction (The Left Hand of Darkness)".  However, the signature at the end gives me pause.  I think I still agree with my original title, but I see how it could be interpreted differently.  Also if we include the byline as part of the title, should we still disambiguate.  What do other folks think?  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:00, 2 April 2023 (EDT)
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_frontimage&O_2=contains&TERM_2=w%2Fwebp&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; After I replaced one a few days ago and another one today I did a search and it seems most (all?) of the images with the weird URL Amazon switched to for a while are now broken. Is there a batch fix or will they have to be changed one by one (there's several hundred)? Most are not PV. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:09, 5 November 2023 (EST)
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: I consider the byline to be just an author credit as well. We already have the author in the author field, adding “by author” to the title feels like an overkill. If we decide to keep it in the title, it still needs disambiguation IMO - it is as generic as Introduction on the author’s page after all. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:37, 2 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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::If I may explain how I arrived at the proposed titles. Usually there is only one novel introduction and where that is the case, it is simply titled "Introduction" and may or may not be signed. Here, we have two introductions (the Miéville one being added for this Masterworks II edition). To make it clear to readers whose introduction each is, the publishers have extended the title to include the author's name (probably for the first time) and, for our purposes, have created a variant title. In the notes I have tried to make it clear that the title is as it appears above the work (as the titling rules require) and not just a whim on my part. That we also have the author in the author field I consider as just a system function. I added the disambiguation for the purposes of the author's page, as noted above. Hope that helps. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:16, 2 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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::: I still do not think we should add it as part of the title - we never add the author name to the title unless it is incorporated cleanly and a byline is not an incorporation for me. I understand how you came up with the titles but I just do not think that we should be doing that. Two introductions or an introduction and a foreword are essentially the same thing from our perspective - but you are proposing we handle one of these differently from the other because they happen to both be called introductions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:55, 3 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::I agree with Annie. It's not part of the title. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:38, 3 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::Thanks for those answers, but I'm left unclear as to what you mean by "unless it is incorporated cleanly and a byline is not an incorporation". I think I get the meaning but can you expand on that a little. Does it follow that if the author's name appears above the essay it should always be treated as a byline and therefore ignored? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:23, 3 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::: Unless it is part of the title organically, the author name does not get added to the title regardless of where it is on the page - below, above, in between the two lines of a title, led or not led by “by”. Otherwise as most title pages out there have the author name, one can take your argument to the extreme and make a case that we always add the author name to the title of stories, books, essays and so on because it is on the page after all; your case is not different from that really even if you are restricting it to a limited usecase in your mind - there is no reason to mad an exception here. So “Isaac Asimov Presents” keeps the name as part of the title because it cannot be separated. Or “Neil Gaiman Talks About Things”.  Similarly to how we do not keep a series title inside of a title for example. We are not ignoring it - we just have a different place for it in our record so we use that. Just like we do with series names.  [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 00:26, 4 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::::Thanks for taking the time to explain that clearly. As I couldn't find anything in the help pages, it's been nagging at me :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 4 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== F. Cantor ==
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: I see what you mean. There are 806 affected publication records, 30 of them primary-verified. I could create a script to change the URLs of the unverified pubs, then we could ask the primary verifiers to check their pubs. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:25, 5 November 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?26927; People here have been working on Silverberg's anthology Mirror of Infinity, cover artist Fred(erick) Cantor only has credits for that and The Exorcist, cover image of which has been used countless times on later editions, but he also has 1 interior credit for a cover of John Farris novel All Heads Turn... but there's no cover credit on any edition on ISFDB. So which cover did he do? Also, there's 1 credit here for Frederik Cantor for a reprint edition of Exorcist that he didn't do the cover for, it being just an image from the film, so that is something to look into, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:04, 2 April 2023 (EDT)
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:: I'm sure you've already got something that could be repurposed for this, but if not:
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:: https://github.com/JohnSmithDev/ISFDB-Tools/blob/master/tools/submit_edits_via_api.py
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:: You would need to update get_bad_pub_records() to pick up the affected records - plus any additional check to not pick up verified pubs - and the regex to fix them in the first line of generate_pubdate_imagefix()
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:: Then 'uncomment' the PUB_COVER_EDITS code in the __main__ section. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 05:01, 6 November 2023 (EST)
  
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== Conan ==
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:::: There have been quite a few scripts to mass change URL structures over the years, e.g. [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/code-svn/HEAD/tree/trunk/scripts/amazon_urls_to_https.py this one from 2022]. I plan to use it as a template later today. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:17, 6 November 2023 (EST)
  
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https://archive.org/details/conan00howa; https://archive.org/details/conan0000unse; One very old Archive.org upload, one fairly new, I'm not sure about the Ace edition because there's no updated date on the copyright page, whether it's the '77 or '79 (with illustrations) edition, neither is PV so if anyone wants to do something with them, also that British edition's notes are unclear, long-gone PV says reprinted 1977 but wrote reprint line from copyright page below that so I don't know if they had an edition that actually said 1977 because the Archive.org copy doesn't, I don't know the history of these endless Conan reprints at all but I know others here do so they may want to do something with this, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 2 April 2023 (EDT)
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:::I was adding an Amazon author image for Maggie Allen and the URL is weird so I did a search, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_image&O_1=contains&TERM_1=m.media-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FW&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=author_canonical&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=author_canonical&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=author_canonical&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=author_canonical&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=author_canonical&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=author_canonical&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=author_canonical&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=author_canonical&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Author], and these are also broken. I don't know if the batch will fix these, too. EDIT: This URL was fine, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5806113, which I got by searching for Amazon and the author's name in Google Images; however, on the author's Amazon page, https://www.amazon.ca/-/fr/Maggie-Allen/e/B00DXZNLOG, the URL is the broken one. I don't know what's up with all this but I'm sure someone else does. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:13, 6 November 2023 (EST)
  
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== Brian Williams ==
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:::: I have now manually fixed the "WEBP" author URLs. All but 2 were broken. Removing the "WEBP" part fixed all of them, although a few were "S" images, so they will be caught by the cleanup reports when they next run. I think it's safe to say that we should be able to removed "WEBP" from the affected cover scans programmatically. I'll work on it later today. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 6 November 2023 (EST)
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:::::Thanks. I added an image to Maxwell Alexander Drake's record and of the 4 images on his Amazon page (I think at least some people must be aware by now that only certain regional Amazon pages display all author images at the moment in the scroll bar or whatever it's called, Amazon.com and many others just show the main photo, and they seem to be getting fewer and fewer as time goes by; I find Amazon Canada and Amazon France are still good) 2 are WEBP and 2 are regular; it figures that the one I had to use wasn't as good as the others. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:33, 6 November 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?8790; I just made an edit adding link to copy of Vampirium, one of those Lone Wolf game books, and the cover artist, Brian Williams, was also the interior artist but that wasn't entered so I did it. Now the problem is he died in 2010 but there are multiple entries on ISFDB after that date; I believe this guy, https://fantlab.ru/autor13980, wrote those series novels while the deceased was the artist, but the problem with that is the last 3 interior art credits are for books written by the novelist, implying that he illustrated some of his own books. Then there's the question of which Williams wrote the 2 70's letters and the 5 short stories spanning early 80's to 2013. Who knows which one did those 3 computer magazine stories but "Tie Your Own Rope" was done for a White Wolf anthology, a well-known gaming company, so maybe the artist wrote a story now and then, but then the last story was written for a disturbing sex anthology that I remember writing about on these boards once before, and I can't picture either one of these Williams writing a story for that, especially since the artist died a few years before it was published, so that's possibly a third Williams. There's also the fact that while the first 4 cover credits are gaming-related as is Vampirium, 2 others are for gay-themed anthologies and the last is for an obscure American horror magazine. Note also another Brian Williams, a comic artist, is on ISFDB being interviewed (possibly the same guy as the above artist except the interview is dated more than 6 months after he died; different guy or long lag time before publication?) and there's another Williams who wrote a dragon fantasy novel in 2018 from a UK self-publisher so not likely to be by the above novelist whose books are from major publishers. So untangling is needed if anyone is interested. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5627339; This one was missing both cover artist and interior artist so whenever the artist is separated into his own record I have a feeling there'll be a lot more books than the 2 I edited that are missing his credits here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:29, 2 April 2023 (EDT)
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=== Outcome -- WEBP images converted ===
  
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== Lost story, no title, no author, only rough memories of the plot ==
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All 806 "WEBP" images have been converted. Please let me know if you come across any issues. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:17, 6 November 2023 (EST)
  
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This is set WAY WAY WAY far in the future. The location of Earth has been lost in time. Horses and dogs are coequals with humans in society. A horse approaches a young and wealthy woman and offers her something amazing if she'll help him find and restore old Earth. To cut it short, he lets her have a horseback ride. She falls in love with it, and becomes INSANELY wealthy, sends out scout ships, finds Earth, terraforms it, and hands it over to the non-human members of society. The horse gives her another ride and they all live happily ever after.
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== St. Martin's The Light Fantastic ==
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Sorry to not be more eloquent. I just finished a 12 hour shift at the ambulance company's dispatch center where I work.
 
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Sak1776 <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Sak1776|Sak1776]] ([[User talk:Sak1776|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sak1776|contribs]]) .</small> 20:39, 2 April 2023‎ (EDT)
 
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:If no one can answer your question here, we have a few other sites that can help listed at [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:00, 3 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:I checked around with a few people and they suggested it was "[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?63400 Dreams Done Green]" by Alan Dean Foster. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:25, 3 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Yes this is definitely "Dream Done Dream" by Foster.[[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 23:14, 3 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Nordon ==
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https://colinsmythe.co.uk/terry-pratchett/discworld/discworld-novels/light-fantastic/; I was doing some edits for the few St. Martin's editions of Terry Pratchett's novels and I think this last one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43074, doesn't exist. It should probably get the unpublished code for the date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 6 November 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=leisure+b&type=Publisher; Many of the books on ISFDB as by Leisure Books are actually by Leisure Books / Dorchester Publishing so when I come across them I fix them, but for some reason 5 books on ISFDB are under the Nordon name. The problem with that is all the early Leisure books before they hooked up with Dorchester in the mid-80's say published by Nordon on the copyright page (93 of them were found by doing a text search on Archive.org); the Dorchester name is used here to differ the later books from the earlier ones so there's no need to do that for the early books. Would there be any objection to me changing those 5 to just Leisure Books so they merge with all the hundreds of other books by that publisher here? Only 1 of the Nordon books is PV (by MLB). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:30, 4 April 2023 (EDT)
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== Untouched by Human Hands ==
  
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== Wasteworld ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5806259; Actual price was a bit different than what Tuck supposedly said but since Bluesman is gone if anyone else has the Tuck book and it really says 12/- then a note about difference on flap can be added after my edit is approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 6 November 2023 (EST)
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: There is a price shown here:  www.ebay.com/itm/115568098201 [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 22:07, 13 November 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?19205; 4th one's a chapbook but 1st one has same page count so shouldn't it be so, too? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:11, 4 April 2023 (EDT)
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== Faerie Tale ==
  
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https://archive.org/search?query=faerie-tale&sort=title&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22&and%5B%5D=firstTitle%3AF; While doing an edit for Raymond E. Feist (adding a note that he was born Gonzales, not Feist, and fixing his day of birth) I saw that, despite the dozens of editions of his great horror/fantasy novel Faerie Tale the only one archived is a Doubleday Book-of-the-Month Club edition which isn't on ISFDB! Open Library claims there are 2 previewable copies but whichever edition the other one was, it's gone now. So if anyone has one of those club indexes or wherever people get the dates/ID # from, you may want to enter this edition so at least there'll be one copy people can read easily. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:26, 6 November 2023 (EST)
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:I've added the BOMC edition [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?978095 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:23, 7 November 2023 (EST)
  
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34362 This publication] has a note regarding the cover art followed by a link. The flickr page being directed to no longer exists--in such a case can I simply remove the note or is it customary to notify a PVer? I do not know which one had left the note. Thanks.  [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 22:18, 4 April 2023 (EDT)
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== Alan Burns ==
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:It's Mavmaramis's link - I've notified him. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:22, 4 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: Before deleting a link, see if you can find if archived in the web archive. If not, then all we can do is to delete it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:07, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::https://www.flickr.com/photos/markfullerdillon/52607643318; Is that what you're looking for? Also, if you replace old link can you also correct the 2 misspelled words in the note? I've done so for many of this editor's notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:11, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::: Thanks to all. I've made the corrections & submitted. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 21:55, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Throat Sprockets ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?18958; I added cover image to Dreamerika a while ago and today added archived link to US Babel edition; SFE says "Babel" in New Worlds is an excerpt so I've added that word to the title. The issue now is SFE thinks all the other short stories are by a different Alan Burns (and probably the poems and essay, too). Does anyone know for sure? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:31, 7 November 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?8169; A copy of the rare American edition was just uploaded so I added a link and a bunch of other stuff, including correcting the month which was off by a couple of months, but the 2 even rarer British editions seem to have disappeared almost entirely, with no eBay copies I can see or any online scans of anything besides the cover. The one review I could find, https://criminolly.com/2021/10/27/throat-sprockets-review/, has a different page count than either edition and a month that neither have. So if anyone owns a copy or can actually do better than me and find online info it would help. Poor Mr. Lucas lost his wife recently so it would be nice to flesh out and correct his info here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:02, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
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== Connecting books in an unnamed series ==
  
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== Leviathan Awakes (excerpt) (sic) by James S. A. Correy (sic) ==
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I'm currently adding two books where one is the sequel to the other, yet they are not part of a named series. Should I still add series to them (and if so what should I call it), or should I only make a not about it in the title note? /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 14:34, 7 November 2023 (EST)
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:What are the books? Can you provide a link to them? Or have you not added them yet? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:52, 7 November 2023 (EST)
  
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I stumbled across [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2231009 this] by chance the other day, with both [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1272911 the title] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?155601 author name] incorrect.  It's strikes me that 2 errors is perhaps more likely to be down to data entry here than mistakes by the publisher, but it's from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?345034 a 2011 pub] transient verified by an editor who has not been active for several years.  Any thoughts on whether the appropriate varianting and note-adding is the best course of action, or instead to correct the title and editor fields?
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:: One thing that we often do when two or more titles -- or two or more series -- are part of a larger, unnamed, setting is create a new series (or super-series) and use the word "universe" in its name. One example would be the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42997 Baba Yaga Universe]. It contains 2 sub-series and one collection. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:05, 7 November 2023 (EST)
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::: This is only two books {{t|3244057|Domens dag}} and {{t|978127|Råttorna}}. Calling it a universe feels a bit like giving it more credit than it is due =) /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 18:01, 7 November 2023 (EST)
  
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FWIW, some cursory Googling threw up [https://isulibrary.isunet.edu/index.php?lvl=notice_display&id=8781 a library entry] that indicates the correct title and author name was used. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:15, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
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:::: Hi! If you can't find a naming of the series or a general theme, I'd suggest to use in this case the title of the first novel, like it was done for the two novels in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?34751 this series]. (The second link you provided leads one to a piece of interior art ;-) ) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:48, 8 November 2023 (EST)
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:https://openlibrary.org/books/OL25033756M/Degrees_of_freedom; One of those OL-only non-preview things; search inside says Leviathan Wakes by James S. A. Corey. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
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:::: If the two novels do share the same main character, there'd be the additional possibility to name the series after it, like it was done [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?19161 here]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:10, 8 November 2023 (EST)
  
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:: Thanks, I have now updated title and author name, and made a parent title for the real authors Franck and Abraham. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:26, 12 April 2023 (EDT)
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::::: Thanks for the many suggestions! I'll go with the ''title of the first novel'' suggestion as the main characters are not given a last name (if memory serves) and Peter & Anna is way to generic =). Appologies for the erroneous second link (that was the pub-id not the title-id), the intended one is {{t|3244058|Råttorna}}. /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 16:53, 8 November 2023 (EST)
  
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== E. Borgese ==
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== Pied Pipers ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5623541; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=borgese&type=Name; Will my rejected edit be un-rejected if my fixing of her name in the original Brit edition is made a variant or variant is deleted or whatever it is that needs to be done? I'm confused. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:15, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1428017; I left Chavey a message about a city missing in their note about imprint on title page of Routledge edition (which I'd just added an Archive.org link to) but later saw that there was a more pressing problem; the title was wrong, missing a word and misspelling another. I later added another note about Warne edition also likely being wrong based on cover image. Looking further, I think the other 2 editions also have the wrong title; Rand McNally 1937 edition (Chavey's note says 1927, that may be yet another mistake) is on Archive.org and it says The Pied Piper of Hamelin on title page while there's no edit history for Harrap edition but notes are in Chavey's style. Problem is Chavey hasn't responded to any messages since May of last year. Any suggestions? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:28, 7 November 2023 (EST)
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:That won't fix the issue.  The problem is that the add publication submission was made to add a publication to the title by Elizabeth (with a moderator note that you were adding it with the incorrect name).  Your subsequent submission updated both the existing title and publication records to Elisabeth.  I was not aware of your second submission until after I rejected the first, but it wouldn't have mattered. Changing the source record does not update any pending submissions (e.g. your rejected edit).  Had you done these two submissions in the opposite order, and waiting until the name change was approved before submitting the add publication, you would have been fine.  The other way you could have done it, was to submit your first edit as a new publication.  Then, when both were approved, you could merge the title records.  At this point you can submit a new Add Publication from the updated title record (Elisabeth).  By the way, there is a second step that is still required for your change of the existing title record from Elizabeth to Elisabeth.  Since you changed it to a variant name, you need to make the altered record into a variant of the canonical name.  Hope this helps.  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:56, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
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:Their last activity in the database was on 2023-11-04, so only a few days ago. I suggest giving it a little more time for them to respond to the questions. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:33, 8 November 2023 (EST)
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::But her real first name is spelled with an S, so that should be the parent name. There's nothing on ISFDB that was published as by "Elizabeth Mann Borgese". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:23, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::Well, we currently have 11 title records that have been published as by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13609 Elizabeth Mann Borgese].  We have no concept of "real name", we only reflect how things have been published.  The canonical name is the name by which the author is best known in the field.  You'll note that her legal name, as Elisabeth, is reflected in the legal name field.  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:57, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::They weren't really published as by Elizabeth in her collection, whoever entered the original Brit edition here (Chris J? He's first in edit history) incorrectly wrote her name that way and thus she's credited that way. Her American edition also says Elisabeth so it's not like they changed the spelling due to some British/American differences, it's just wrong. So her name needs to be changed to Elisabeth for all those stories and then when everything says Elisabeth my edit adding the American edition can be un-rejected, re-added, whatever. I just saw a full wraparound cover online so that'll be something extra to upload that wasn't in my rejected edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:10, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::There are two issues that you are talking about.  First, you submitted an edit to add a new publication, but you submitted incorrectly.  I don't think your edit could be unrejcted even if all instances of "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" were changed to "Elisabeth Mann Borgese" (i.e. the two authors are merged). Even that is impossible because there are publications where the author is credited as "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" (e.g. [https://archive.org/details/Fantasy_Science_Fiction_v017n01_1959-07_PDF/page/n67/mode/2up here]).  Regardless, there is nothing that can be done to change the author's name in your rejected edit that you submitted as Elizabeth.  Even if "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" was deleted from the database, your edit would re-add the name as a new author were it approved. I've mentioned above the best way to proceed.  I noticed that you did not include the content in your rejected edit.  The content from the other record cannot currently be imported because the title records have the incorrect name.  There are two ways to bring these records into shape.
 
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:::::# You could edit the existing collection and change the author credit for those stories that appear only in that collection.  You would also need to remove any stories that are published elsewhere from the collection, then re-add them with the correct credit. There is a further step in that variants need to be made, but I'll discuss that below when covering the second overall issue.
 
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:::::# Alternatively, you could manually add all the stories, with the correct credit, when you re-add the George Braziller publication.  You could then remove all the stories from the MacGibbon & Kee publication and import the ones with the correct author credit from the other pub.  Again variants will need to be made to finish the process.
 
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:::::The second issue is what name needs to be canonical for this author.  Absent evidence to the contrary, I would assume that all other publications are correctly credited.  That leaves us with 6 titles in 13 publications credited to Elizabeth.  There are 10 titles appearing in 3 publications as Elisabeth.  I'm not counting translations which are all variants anyway.  You could argue that the canonical name be changed to Elisabeth, but I'd recommend proposing that in a separate thread.  Also, would you be volunteering to do this work (it's many edits)?  You would need to move all the author data from the current canonical record to the new one; Break all of the parent child author name relationships;  Make all new alternate names variants of the new canonical name;  Merge any titles with the new canonical name where the former parent name appeared in no publications, deleting the parent title relationship;  Change the author credit of any titles with the former canonical name that appear in no publications to the new canonical name. Break any remaining parent child story relationships; Make any remaining titles by alternate name variants of the new canonical name.  If you don't want change the canonical name and can't find someone else to do it, or the community decides to keep it as Elizabeth, you'll need to finish the above edits by making the new Elisabeth titles into variants of Elizabeth.  Again, I hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:09, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::::Dude, as I've mentioned somewhere on the message boards before, I was hit in the head a few times when I was a kid, many years ago, so I'm a little slow, and my mind has been rapidly deteriorating recently due to personal and external issues, which shows in the occasional misstep I've made here lately which is highly unusual for me, so I don't have a clue what it is you're asking me to do; you and others here seem to forget that I've said more than once that I'm a total amateur with no background in anything literary who just started doing this a few years ago to pass the time (which makes the fact that I have one of the largest number of non-moderator edits in the history of this site even more remarkable). I'm just about done doing this, anyway, for many reasons, and am mostly doing simple stuff these days, so I have a suggestion; you mentioned recently that you're still in contact with this Chris J, so maybe you can ask him if he's the one who entered the name wrong and, if so, why. If it was him, maybe you can convince him, now that I have brought the American edition to everyone's attention, to do whatever it is you said above. I notice that the Archive.org copy was uploaded in September, 2015 and his first entry in the edit history was November, 2015, so the correct spelling of her name was available at the time. If nobody wants to do any of this, it won't bother me. I've done hundreds of edits since this one and can barely remember it, anyway. I'm sure, though, that the ones here who like to variant every name and title difference would want to see it entered; people who've searched for her on this site over the years may have come away disappointed because her name has been wrong for so many years. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::::I'm not going to contact another editor on your behalf.  Chris J's talk page is [[User talk:Chris J|here]].  However, there is no point in contacting Chris.  None of the edits in the history added the content to the record.  Even if we could determine who added the records incorrectly, what would be the point of contacting that person?  They could have been working from a secondary source that was incorrect, but in the end, it doesn't matter.  You've discovered an error in a record and you've fixed only part of that error.   That's good, but the job isn't finished.  The bare minimum to fix this record is:
 
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:::::::# Go to the {{P|547020|publication record}} and use the Edit This Pub tool to edit the record.  For each story where the edit fields are not disabled, change the author's name to "Elisabeth Mann Borgese". For all other stories, add "delete" to the page number, use the add title button to add a new row and copy the title of each story to the new title field, enter "Elisabeth Mann Borgese" as the author for the new author field.  You can enter this edit at the same time as the one above.
 
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:::::::# After the above edit is approved, go back to the {{P|547020|publication record}} and use the Remove Titles From This Pub tool.  Mark each title with delete in the page number.
 
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:::::::# For each title that does not have a parent title (you can find them all at {{A|Elisabeth Mann Borgese}} after the above edits are approved).  You need to go to each title and use the Make This Title a Variant tool to link the title to the appropriate parent. At this point, the parent titles should exist.  Find each matching title at {{A|Elizabeth Mann Borgese}}.  Take note of the Title Record # at the top right of the screen.  In the make variant screen, use Option 1 and enter the title number to link the titles.
 
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:::::::Making variants when an alternate name is used is not something that is optional or done only when people like to.  It's a data integrity issue that needs to be resolved.  As it stands, this record will show up on several cleanup reports until it is fixed.  Also, there is no problem in searching by an alternate name.  If set up correctly, each alternate name has a link to the canonical name, as does all 4 of Ms. Mann Borgese's alternate names.  By the way, when you being one of these multi-step edits, it is generally a good idea to let the moderator know that you intend the next steps by adding it to the moderator note.  I've tried to give you complete instructions, but if you have any questions when attempting this, please reach out either here or on the [[ISFDB:Help desk|Help desk]].  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:31, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Number Line ==
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== Geta ==
  
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https://archive.org/details/nailedbyheart0000clar_p5s1; What printing is this? It's 3rd, isn't it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:49, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17102; I added a link to 1984-00-00 in a PENDING edit; 1985 2nd printing was edited by Hauck, hater of ISFDB, while RTrace cloned the 1984-06-00 but that date can't be right because the price is higher than 1985. There are 2 identical notes about name of publisher in 1984-00-00 and 1985 but neither was edited by the same person/people so some cloning/copying happened there, too. So publisher should either be Granada or Panther / Granada for all 3 and 1984-06-00 should either have a new date or all 0's for unknown; it also says TP, not PB, and likely has the same cover as the others so cover artist should be imported. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:48, 9 November 2023 (EST)
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: Yes, the 3rd - the lowest number on the list gives you the current printing (with a special note for some number lines that contain a year as well as a printing number). That specific configuration of numbers is a pretty common one. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:48, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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::OK. I asked because of this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5625372, where either I goofed or there was some hiccup when I entered it, so I made a new edit with the right cover, but the 2002 edition on Archive.org matches the ISFDB note which says "third printing" yet the mod who rejected this said 4th printing, which I had a feeling was wrong. I'll now add a link in that record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:53, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== The Heaven Maker ==
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== Arthur Barker Edition of The Restaurant at the End of the Universe ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1518099; I recently added the 2014 TP and a link to the Archive.org copy which was recently uploaded; why page count is different between all 3 editions is unknown, someone entered them for the HC and they seem accurate, final essay starting on p. 249 and page count being 254, while TP is 20 pages longer but doesn't seem to have any extra material, but more importantly is while importing HC contents into TP and adding page numbers I now notice that the foreword, which is actually titled Forward in the book, is by Janis McKay, who is actually Janis Mackay per signature, an author with several credits on ISFDB, while the intro is actually by Herbertson. So if anyone can get a hold of the original HC edition and verify it's the same then those can be corrected. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:30, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5809217; No idea why that obviously incorrect cover artist data was approved by a mod but I removed Kay and the word "Illustrations" from Litherland's credit. I assume the Amazon cover is the correct one because there's a few non-Amazon sites that show the same cover for that ISBN but the problem is Open Library has a 1985 date for the Arthur Barker edition (the only one out of 85 editions) but editor here has 1980 and ISFDB page for that publisher ends in 1980. This edition seems rare so if anyone owns it can you check to make sure date, price, page count (Open Library says 188, not 187), etc. are correct? I left PV a message but they don't seem to answer any questions. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:01, 10 November 2023 (EST)
  
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== Magnus Fin ==
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== Letter From A Teddy Bear On ? ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?30867; Print editions are all same price, one says TP, one PB, and one "unknown", in case anyone knows which they should all really be. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:33, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:J-Sun#Letter_from_a_Teddy_Bear_on_Veteran.27s_Day; I doubt this editor will respond so if anyone else wants to say what the right way to do this is, chime in. I could have sworn this discussion took place much earlier but I see it was only last December and yet I added some weird image to my message, which I don't do, so not sure why I did that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:46, 10 November 2023 (EST)
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: They are all the standard B format in UK (a few mm under 20 cm) - which is a tp in our DB. I've fixed the 2 that were added in error. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:51, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
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:Varianted. Most common version used as parent per standard. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:26, 10 November 2023 (EST)
  
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== Tenth Time (A)round ==
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== Who Is Lewis Pinder? ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?74425; I randomly came across that Venture issue on Archive.org, a Brit magazine that apparently reprinted F&SF with added illustrations, if I'm understanding it correctly, and I immediately noticed a problem; McIntosh's story, which ISFDB claims is only "Tenth Time Round" in Venture, is the same in F&SF, too; it's not "Tenth Time Around". There are some active PV so I'm not touching it but this seems like a fairly big change so I thought I'd mention it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:36, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?976273; MLB recently PV Signet PB and I just replaced faded Amazon cover with nice Bookscans cover but I can't find a cover for the HC anywhere. If anyone else can, can you upload it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:29, 10 November 2023 (EST)
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:I updated the title in {{P|61294|The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, May 1959}} based on the [https://archive.org/details/Fantasy_Science_Fiction_v016n05_1959-05_PDF/page/n3/mode/2up Internet Archive scan] and notified the active verifiers. I will also expand {{P|351769|Venture Science Fiction, October 1964}} based on its Internet Archive scan. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:34, 6 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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::https://archive.org/search?query=%22venture+british+ed%22&sort=-addeddate; I think these are all the issues available, in case anything else needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:54, 8 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::Thank you. Searching for Venture Science Fiction only returned the one hit and Venture too many. I appreciate you finding a good search term. I will add the links to the magazines and make updates as needed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:08, 8 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Request to add German fantastic literature price:  ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17626; I've been trying to fix publisher Leisure as many of their old books here as by Leisure Books were wrongly entered here with Dorchester in the publisher; with this book I have a vague memory of working on it last year, trying to get all the cover images to match price/ID entered here, and after adding an Archive.org link to the 3rd one I noticed the 1st one, entered by ChrisJ in 2014, is the same as the 3rd one (which I entered last year) except he used the original edition's 1983 date instead of the reprint's 8/89 date which is on the copyright page, so I think the 1st one can be deleted. The 2nd one has a broken image and a Not Found message when it's clicked; I see that I made an edit some time ago for that, too, but obviously if the image was broken back then it would have been noticed. So does anyone have any ideas about that? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:58, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
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== Plus qu'humains ==
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after adding the German "DSFP" award, I would like to add now the "Phantastikpreis der Stadt Wetzlar", another German fantastic price:
  
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https://openlibrary.org/works/OL19267614W/Les_plus_qu%27humains?edition=key%3A/books/OL26778119M; Full cover, which none of the images on ISFDB show, with a date that's earlier than other editions with that cover, so French-fluent editor may want to add it, re-date the cover art, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:45, 6 April 2023 (EDT)
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Translation: The “Fantasy Prize of the City of Wetzlar” has been awarded since 1983. The prize is a literary prize endowed with 4,000 euros and is awarded annually for a novel. The prize honors works from all types of fantasy, from magical realism to fantasy science fiction, utopia and horror. Particular emphasis is placed on the fact that the fantastic element - similar to Goethe's “Magician's Apprentice” - also allows real life connections to appear in a new light. The prize is awarded by the city of Wetzlar in cooperation with the Wetzlar Fantastic Library. The jury consists of literary experts from Wetzlar and the surrounding area who have a close connection to fantastic literature.
  
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Source (in German): https://www.phantastik.eu/ausschreibungen-und-preise/phantastikpreis-der-stadt-wetzlar.html
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?4333; Cover of J. Rovin's UFO Movie Quiz Book says intro by Wise (who was a famous director) so I added that here and put (director) after his name to differ him from the Wise on ISFDB who wrote Christian novels; interview is also by the other Wise, https://www.ebay.com/itm/371173025862, as the seller mentions in his description. Now that it's an interview about films should it be deleted or should (director) be added to that, too? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 7 April 2023 (EDT)
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Forgot to sign it: [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] ([[User talk:Jannis|talk]]) 08:39, 12 November 2023 (EST)
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:My edit was finally approved; how about that interview? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:48, 20 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Ad Astra's analysis of our data ==
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: I do think it should be perfectly eligible. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:06, 12 November 2023 (EST)
  
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In "James Gunn's Ad Astra" #12 (the current issue), René Walling writes an essay on "Report: Books, Creators and Series, 1800-2018", in which he does a statistical analysis of books published in the genre during the specified period. He analyzes 168,012 genre books, of which 162,140 come from isfdb, and another 5,872 come from "The Locus Index to Science Fiction" and the "SFBooklist". He focuses his attention on (1) Number of books and creators; (2) Number of books published by an author; and (3) Number of series published. And, of course, how these numbers vary over time. If you're interested, the article is online at https://www.adastrasf.com/report-books-creators-and-series-1800-2018/. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] ([[User talk:Chavey|talk]]) 12:47, 7 April 2023 (EDT)
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:: I agree that it appears to be eligible. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:41, 13 November 2023 (EST)
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: Of course there are lots of question about the data he generated, e.g. Did he count translations as different books? Did he use our non-genre flag? Did he correctly process our "variants" of a title? etc. Nevertheless, it may still be slightly interesting to some. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] ([[User talk:Chavey|talk]]) 12:55, 7 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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:: Curious. Comparing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/stats.cgi?8 Percent of Titles in Series by Year] generated by our weekly reports and the "ISFDB" column in [https://www.adastrasf.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Issue-12-Table_6.png Table 6: Percent of books in a series per year, 1891-2018], I see that the numbers are somewhat different. It makes sense since we count  "novels" and "short fiction" separately while René Walling apparently consolidated everything that he considered "books":
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::: Hearing no objection, I have created a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?115 new Award Type] and an Award Category for this prize. Please let me know if there are any issues with the new records, otherwise have fun entering the awards :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:54, 17 November 2023 (EST)
  
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::* Novels, chapbooks, collections, anthologies and nonfiction books related to the genres of fantasy, horror and science fiction, i.e. found in one of the above mentioned lists, were all included.
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:::: Thats great! Thanks a lot Ahasuerus, I will add the books & authors of last winners of this price, and later link the price to their works. [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] ([[User talk:Jannis|talk]]) 05:16, 18 November 2023 (EST)
  
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== Doubleday and The Crime Club ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=pro+se&type=Publisher; If anyone knows whether these are all by the same publisher some altering to bring them under the same publisher name would be helpful. They publish pulp-style stuff in all genres; neither of the books on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=pro-se-press&and%5B%5D=year%3A%222016%22, are on ISFDB, Sushi Bar... likely has some genre-related stories, probably other eligible books by them out there.  --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:46, 12 November 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=crime+club&type=Publisher; I did an edit for the Gores/Pronzini Tricks and Treats anthology and made Doubleday into Crime Club / Doubleday, but ISFDB has a jumble of different ways that people added the publisher, with the Crime Club / Doubleday one also having Doubleday Crime Club as a pub. series with many more books than the publisher has, some of which are from the Doran era which has its own separate entry here, Crime Club / Doubleday Doran, while I think none of the ones as by Doubleday / Crime Club make sense because Doubleday was the publisher. So if anyone wants to take a look at this some merging/standardization would probably help. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:28, 8 April 2023 (EDT)
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: If memory serves, I used Amazon's Look Inside to look into "Pro Se" publishers/publication series at one point. Their books used a number of different forms of attribution and I couldn't figure out the logic behind it. Someone would need to do more digging to sort it all out. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:55, 13 November 2023 (EST)
  
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== Touchstone Awards for Individual Poems ==
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== Cyrano and Jules Verne ==
  
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https://archive.org/search?query=airborne+alan-c; I added 2 anthologies recently, imported genre stories into Skyriders in a PENDING edit, imported 3 genre stories (Kipling, T. L. Thomas, O'Flaherty) into Airborne but there's a couple of ancient excerpts (?) that are a problem. The Cyrano title doesn't match the one on ISFDB and there is no such title by Verne here. Searching for Verne title online only got 1 hit, https://www.mwbooks.ie/pages/books/307419/alan-c-jenkins/airborne-compiled-by-alan-c-jenkins, an Irish bookseller's page for Airborne. Typing a line of text from Verne's story got nothing online. I doubt this book found some long-lost Verne story so I assume it's just a novel excerpt. Does anyone know? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:41, 13 November 2023 (EST)
  
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Joshua Gage's speculative fiction poem, "Penrose process . . ." has been long listed for the 2022 Touchstone Awards for Individual Poems by The Haiku Foundation.  
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: Anna's Archive has a downloadable copy. According to the Acknowledgements page, the Cyrano title is a "passage from Other Worlds by Cyrano de Bergerac, translated by Geoffrey Strachan". The Verne title is a "passage from ''From the Earth to the Moon'' by Jules Verne, translated by Jacqueline Baldick". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:15, 13 November 2023 (EST)
  
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I would like to have this award added to those supported by the ISFDB software, as the award does recognize poetry in the speculative fiction genre.
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:: The submission has been approved. The two titles discussed above have been added. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:38, 13 November 2023 (EST)
  
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The Haiku Foundation, as part of its mission to expand possibilities for English-language haiku, created the Touchstone Awards Series in 2010 for individual haiku and senryu (The Touchstone Award for Individual Poems) and books (The Touchstone Distinguished Books Award). In 2022, the Touchstone Award for Individual Haibun was added to recognize individual haibun.
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== Bellows ==
  
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All awards seek to reward excellence and innovation each calendar year. Results are determined through a year-long nomination and selection process and are released the following year on April 17, International Haiku Poetry Day. Award recipients are selected by independent panels comprised of authorities in the field.
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?97465; I added FantLab photo in a PENDING edit, findagrave.com says Jeffrey, not Jeffery, and has "Kent" in quotes like it's a nickname but the grave says Kent Bellows, and what does the G. stand for? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:24, 14 November 2023 (EST)
  
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https://thehaikufoundation.org/touchstone-poem-awards/
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== Bizarrocast ==
  
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https://thehaikufoundation.org/2022-touchstone-awards-for-individual-poems-long-list/
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_webpage&O_1=contains&TERM_1=bizarrocast&C=AND&USE_2=title_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_copyright&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title]; I was going through the old horror webzine Rosewort, adding links (yes, I found ANOTHER D. F. Lewis story, "Aspen"), and the Ken Goldman story "Going Potty" had a dead link. Then I noticed that the Bizarrocast link in that story's record leads to a log-on page because the original site is gone, but the archived site hardly has any archived pages; I tried one from 2013, "How the Isle of Cats Got Its Name", and after waiting a long time for the page to load all I saw was Arabic (?) writing so even that seems to have been captured after the site was already dead. My link above searched for all title webpages with Bizarrocast in their URL and there's quite a few so if anyone knows whether there's a new site, say here. Otherwise, all those links should probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 14 November 2023 (EST)
  
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Thank you. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:SillyWilly|SillyWilly]] ([[User talk:SillyWilly|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SillyWilly|contribs]]) .</small>
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== Book storage and moving boxes ==
  
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: Thanks for bringing this award to other editors' attention. It appears to be legitimate and I see no reason not to create an Award Type record for it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:10, 10 April 2023 (EDT)
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When I packed my book collection for an interstate move last year, I mostly used the 1 cubic-foot book boxes sold by U-Haul. There were a total of about 135 boxes. I have just finished unpacking the last of them and no damage occurred to any of the books. I particularly liked that they stacked nicely and were easy to hold onto while moving them around. They were especially useful for moving and storing paperbacks. Since there always a need to put some books into storage, I recommend using these boxes. Cheers! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 17:16, 14 November 2023 (EST)
  
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== Utopia Awards ==
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== Bloodlust and Fangers ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?118655; Today I was adding links to any stories on the old Bloodlust-UK horror site that are on ISFDB and they seem to have redesigned the site some time after 2005 because there were a couple of links that had different URL's for the same stories. I did get quite a few links, including at least one that was published earlier on Bloodlust than what the note on ISFDB says and two by the same author that were supposedly original to one of her collections but were actually published on Bloodlust more than 10 years earlier, and was feeling pretty good about all that until tonight when I decided to see if the authors who got links had any other stories online nowadays, non-archived, and while looking for stories by Denise Sodaro this site came up, https://fangersinc.wordpress.com/tag/short-stories/, where they dumped most/all of the original site's stories without any note that I can see that these stories are nearly 2 decades old. I nearly cried at how much faster I could have added links from Fangers instead of trawling through the old site. Anyway, it seems they were collected in some recent Fangers anthologies; I feel bad for people paying money for these old stories that mostly shouldn't have been published the first time when online editors were hungry for content and would accept almost anything. However, there is one thing that could lead to something interesting; this guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?118655, seems to have plagiarized at least one story, "Jumpers", which I added a note to some time ago with an explanation of who actually wrote the story. His other ISFDB story is in an anthology that I read via Interlibrary Loan years before I was an editor here and I can't remember a word of it so no way to tell if that's original. Bloodlust had a story by Michael Steinberg, "Life, or Something Like It", but this Fangers site calls him M. O. Steinberg even though he was already using the M. O. name back when the original site was active so why he went by Michael is anyone's guess. I typed a line of text from "Life..." on Google but got no hits so I'm not sure if it's original or another plagiarism. So if anyone owns the anthology Dreaming of Angels and can read Steinberg's story or reads "Life..." and recognizes it as being by someone else, can you let us know? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:11, 16 November 2023 (EST)
  
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Several ISFDB titles have been nominated (or won) the inaugural 2022 Utopia Awards. Considering their website, it appears to be legitimate.
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== Mark Powers - two different people ==
  
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https://www.android-press.com/2022-utopia-award-nominees
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Currently for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?22424 this author] we have a bunch of UK juvenile titles, and some Jim Butcher/Dresden Files comics.  I'm reasonably sure these are two different people: [https://www.theshawagency.co.uk/mark-powers here] is the agency page for the former, and [https://www.simonandschuster.com/authors/Mark-Powers/202304451 here] a publisher page for the latter, with neither page acknowledging the other work.
  
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Unless anyone objects, I propose to split these off, probably making the second one "Mark Powers (comics)" unless there are better suggestions.  [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:54, 17 November 2023 (EST)
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:I agree. [https://dresdenfiles.fandom.com/wiki/Mark_Powers This] is a page showing a pic of the ''Dresden'' comics writer. Definitely not the person shown in the two Twitter/X profiles on our author page. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:00, 17 November 2023 (EST)
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:: The Dresden Files comics should now all be switched over to the new author record.  Thanks for confirmation! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:59, 19 November 2023 (EST)
  
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Thanks. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alittlebook|contribs]]) .</small> 09:52, 10 April 2023‎ (EDT)
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== Twitter changed to "X/Twitter" ==
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:I suggest waiting to see if they are awarded a second time. I can't find much about them outside of that one site. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:00, 10 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Richard Hill ==
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I am seeing more and more references to "X" instead of "Twitter". I have changed the way third party links appear on bibliographic pages from "Twitter" to "X/Twitter" to reflect this. It's a trivial change, so we can always tweak it again if the name changes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:46, 17 November 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=richard+hil&type=Name; This falls under the category of "never assume anything". So I randomly found a copy of Squane's Journal #4 (1997) on eBay, a special Ramsey Campbell issue, and took the time to enter the extensive essays included, 1 of which was by a Richard Hill. Something seemed familiar about that name and, being fairly common, I checked to make sure there weren't others with that name here. It turns out that there's a Richard Hill from the USA who wrote a few SF stories in the early 70's, but he had 1 story that was dated many years after he died in 1999. Turns out that story belonged to Richard Hill (I), who wrote a few recent stories in horror publications. However, under this (I) was a 1980 anthology, Hot Air, which I entered in 2021, although I have very little recollection of doing so and apparently just did it so I could enter the original appearance of Ramsey Campbell's story "Out of Copyright" in this obscure British publication. Thinking I was clever, I added a (II) to the editor of Hot Air and also added it to the poem's author since that was written for an early 90's anthology, Now We Are Sick, edited by 2 Brits and so was almost certainly by the same Hill. However, after these edits were approved, I clicked on the Horror Zine bio under Hill (I) and discovered that, I think, the Hill who's written a few recent horror stories is the SAME GUY as the Brit Hill, since it mentions him being from Liverpool and he's obviously an older guy judging by his photo; there's also another bio I found, http://www.thehorrorzine.com/Fiction/June2012/Hill/RichardHill.html, which describes him as a widely published poet, and I notice that in the first bio there's a poem reproduced from who knows where; the title of it, Slick Jack Brady, is completely unknown to Google. So it seems a guy who edited an ultra-obscure mainstream Liverpool travelogue that's only remembered today because Campbell had a story in it decided after 30 years to suddenly write short stories in mostly American magazines (although his last story on ISFDB was in a Brit anthology). So I think I should change the 3 entries as (II) to (I) unless anyone can tell me that the recent Hill is a totally different guy who just happens to also come from Liverpool. Anyone? Hey, I just noticed something; 2 of the Hills have 1941 entered as their birth date. I assume the USA Hill was verified but I have a feeling the Brit Hill's date may be a mistake, although it's certainly possible that they both just had the same birth date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:20, 13 April 2023 (EDT)
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== Darrell Awards ==
  
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== Snow Fury ==
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https://web.archive.org/web/20120908050157/http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~timgatewood/sf/darrell/DarrellWinners_Categories_96to12.pdf; I came across that while looking for something else entirely and since some here like entering new awards and this doesn't seem to be on ISFDB I thought I'd link it in case anyone wants to enter it if it's eligible. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:49, 19 November 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258899; [https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/BOcAAOSwwIxjMHRN/s-l1600.jpg]; Shouldn't the date be March? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:17, 14 April 2023 (EDT)
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== Final Frontier Cover ==
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:Yes. The verifier (who is no longer active) added the pub note stating March so I updated the pub date to match.  --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:36, 15 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Fekete ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?13334; I noticed there was a Greg and Gregory Brodeur here, made Gregory an alternate, made variant of one of his essays and merged 3 into 1 for the other essay (a variant will need to be made of that result after, I think), noticed 1st printing of Final Frontier '88 US PB was on Archive.org so added a link, finally noticed BORIS VALLEJO is credited for a foreign edition but not for any of the others even though they have the same art, Bluesman who was PV of 2 editions is long gone so if active PV of US PB agree with PV, Welo, that added art (they didn't mention where they got it in their notes) then cover credit can be added to all with date of US PB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:00, 19 November 2023 (EST)
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:The German translation states Boris Vallejo as cover artist on the copyright page. But, i wouldn't take this as given for every other release without another source to verify. At the time the german publishers weren't the reliablest for infos on the copyright pages, they had sometimes wrong infos (copied from previous pubs, but not correct). I've stumbled over a few wrong ones over time. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 12:31, 1 December 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=feket&type=Name; First name probably the same guy as Joe with Jr., Joe without Jr. wrote a story in 1965, could be the same guy or his dad. I noticed this when adding story links to stories in Gateway Magazine; most now have links although a few were dead or couldn't be found. Most of them are terrible, but that's besides the point. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:31, 14 April 2023 (EDT)
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== SFWA Bulletin ==
  
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== Russell Miller ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?951170; I was doing Bruce McAllister edits and there's 1 Bruce McAllaster credit here (along with a correct spelling elsewhere in it) but SFWA.org says McAllister so probably a misprint by PV. Also, Gatherng should be Gathering, Nores should be Notes, etc. If anyone can see a real copy all of those can probably be fixed. I assume there are many other mistakes in the other issues of this bulletin since the same PV worked on most/all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:11, 20 November 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?21117; I added a link to an edition of Bare-Faced Messiah; the short story is by some lawyer, https://www.heroicfantasyquarterly.com/?p=1111, bio at bottom. I don't see anywhere online that mentions Miller stories in those other publications mentioned, 2 of which are genre and 2 of which sound like mainstream magazines. Differing needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:56, 14 April 2023 (EDT)
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== Book of Ballads Dates ==
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:The two authors have been separated. I also updated the story with the link you provided. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:39, 15 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== FK Young ==
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ofearna#Book_of_Ballads; Does anyone agree with me that the 2004 contents should be November instead of October? They say they're original to this book in their notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:39, 21 November 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?165423; The poem and first 2 stories are by some old pulp writer; the new guy is the subject of a recent post on Wormwoodiana. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 17 April 2023 (EDT)
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== Lecrivain ==
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:They've been separated. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:17, 20 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Rare Ligotti Story ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=the+last+swan+prince&type=All+Titles; 2017 zine has no period after the C in her name, 2020 webzine does, story's title page will need to be seen to determine if 2017 really doesn't have it, then there should be a merge or a variant. Her other story in that zine doesn't have a period, either, according to ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:25, 21 November 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5641814; Ligotti.net, according to an article I read, existed in several incarnations and the early ones are lost, but someone got parts of it from somewhere so, while trying to get a link for "Teeth" by Matt Cardin (his first story), the link to which just defaults to the modern Ligotti site and a "not found" page, I saw there were other stories listed, including a few from the man himself. 2 sounded familiar but "Ghost Stories for the Dead" didn't, and it turns out it's never been collected. It was reprinted in Crypt of Cthulhu in '89 but it turns out it's from '82. The index on philsp.com is wrong; E. M. Cioran is not a pseudonym of Ligotti but a real poet, and this article, https://www.ligotti.net/showthread.php?t=527&page=2, mentions his admiration and that he used a quote to introduce "Ghost Stories", which is probably why the index is confused. I mention all this in case anyone ever enters the missing issues of Grimoire here, only 1 and 4 currently, because as usual online info is not to be trusted. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5641848; The feoamante.com site, still online but dead, gave me a link to the old Ligotti site, when they were using a totally different URL, www.longshadows.com, so I've replaced the archived link since this one says 1999 while the previous one said 2019 (although the earliest links are May and October 1999 but when you click on them they refuse to go to those archived pages and instead go to November; spooky). Also, I found Cardin's story "Notes of a Mad Copyist"; it's also on the 2019 archived site but while the old site shows it just fine the new one is completely black and the text needs highlighting to read it; sadly, "Teeth" is missing on the old site, too, and Cardin revised many of his stories for his collections, so it would be good to read the original; if anyone can find it on some other old site I don't know about that would be great. I also discovered that Ligotti's story "Allen and Adelaide" is on ISFDB twice, the 1981 original and the 1989 Crypt of Cthulhu reprint, the difference being & vs. and, so I've made them variants. One I'm not sure about is "Three Scientists", https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2702155, which actually contains the first 3 titles here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360640, with their 1985 dates being because, according to online info, they originated in Songs of a Dead Dreamer, problem being the earliest edition on ISFDB is 1986 and no edition contains any of them. I also notice the first title was in a 1986 poetry best-of, so 1985 is likely correct, except it's actually from 1982, so this is a problem. How to variant the 3 titles to the original umbrella title is the question I have. Also, anyone who can further clean up Ligotti's info would be appreciated. Just now I found his poem "Envoi" on some obscure site and added a link. EDIT: I see that Cardin has several stories which are in his record twice, with one being spelled differently (Theater vs. Theater), so variants likely needed there. I also found a link to his recent huge collection To Rouse Leviathan, https://archive.bookfrom.net/build_in_search/?q=matt+cardin, on a site which probably shouldn't be linked to in his record so I'll just leave it here in case anyone just wants to read the stories. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2749745; 3 titles mentioned in note are also individual stories on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 21 April 2023 (EDT)
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== Ormazoids ==
  
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== Balefires ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5816628; Since PV is deceased if anyone wants to add/fix anything mentioned in my note to mod, feel free. EDIT: Seems logical UK edition would have been first for a Who book so title date should probably be 1986-00-00 unless anyone can determine exact UK date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:56, 21 November 2023 (EST)
  
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== Patterns of the Fantastic II ==
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22patterns+of+the+fantastic%22&sort=title; Copyright page says December 1984, title page says 1986 in roman numerals, ISFDB says May 1985. If anyone knows what's the deal here they may want to add the link where appropriate and fix dates if needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:22, 23 November 2023 (EST)
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:The title page date is on a sticker that has been applied after printing. That sticker also has "Borgo Press". So it could be Borgo was selling copies for Starmont House or they made a photographic reprint and stuck their sticker on it. May 1985 is the date Locus1 has so that might have been the source for the {{P|287993|ISFDB record}}. Rtrace has secondary verified it with Clute/Nicholls and Reginald3. I will ping him to see if either of those might has some info to shed light on the situation. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:53, 23 November 2023 (EST)
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::Neither {{Reginald3}} nor Clute/Nicholls mention Borgo.  The former has a 1985 date while the latter has 1984. {{P|283739|Chalker/Owings}} has the 1984 date. {{P|320234|BP 300}} has 1985.  This is probably due to the difference between copyright and publication dates.  Also from ''BP 300'', Borgo acquired Starmont in March 1993 after having purchased Starmont's Contemporary Writers Series in 1991.  If I had to guess, the sticker is likely a cancel of the Starmont publisher and perhaps the 1986 date is due to a typo (VI vs IV).  With that scenario, the sticker was likely added sometime after 1993 when Borgo purchased Starmont.  Chalker/Owings does note that the purchase included Starmont's back stock.  Regardless, if we decided to add a new publication record for the Borgo cancel of Starmont, I don't think we can date it exactly and I'd recommend using the unknown date.  Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:13, 23 November 2023 (EST)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?124321; The variant for "Woe..." is correct, I checked, but "Heads Africa...", as confirmed from PV of Orbit edition where it first appeared, has no comma after Africa but it does in Saxton's collection; also, is it correct that "Gordon's Women" is dated '76, French date, but "Pollyanna Enzyme" is dated '86, collection date, and not '80, German date? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:04, 24 April 2023 (EDT)
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== Philip K. Dick Reader ==
  
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== Razar ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1365790; I cloned an 11th printing and publisher is Citadel+Kensington like 2016 but cover is same as 1997 which says publisher is Citadel Twilight; does anyone own a 1st printing who can say whether it says Twilight or if 1997 should be changed to Kensington? Twilight books had a certain bluish look about their covers and they say Twilight on the cover which this book doesn't. Per note on ISFDB Twilight ended in 2000 so it's possible it was a Twilight book and it was only mentioned inside. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:46, 24 November 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5644587; Bewildering Stories, which only has recent issues indexed here, has many stories in old issues that are here and while adding some links I saw a story, "Groomed", by Chris Bartholomew that jogged my memory. It's in this weird anthology but the problem is 2 of his stories were jumbled together so it's here as "Ante Up Groomed"; I also noticed some of his other stories don't have exactly the same titles as here. So if anyone can access the full issue a lot of fixes can be done, along with page numbers, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:31, 24 April 2023 (EDT)
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== ASIN ==
  
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== Novelization for Unfilmed Screenplay? ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966441; Clicking US ASIN leads to a different magazine; I don't know if that happens often or not but I thought I'd mention it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:07, 24 November 2023 (EST)
  
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5638720 this submission].  The [[Template:TitleFields:Novelization|help template]] specifies that the novelization flag is for "novelization of a movie, TV show, game or other '''non-written work'''" (emphasis mine). I may be splitting hairs here, but it strikes me that this work is an adaptation of a screenplay (a written work which would be eligible itself were it published), rather than a novelization. Do we want to include this sort of thing in the novelization flag?  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:39, 25 April 2023 (EDT)
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: There are two ISFDB records sharing the same ASIN, "B0CDQWPL1Z":
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:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966441 Dark Hall Press Cosmic Horror Anthology]
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:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966438 Savage Realms Monthly, August 2023]
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: Their respective Edit Histories show that the 2 pubs were manually entered by the same editor on the same day. Most likely it was a copy-and-paste error. I have corrected the erroneous ASIN; thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:17, 24 November 2023 (EST)
  
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:If a film using the screenplay had been made, wouldn't this be a typical novelization? To my simple mind, the act of filming the screenplay has no bearing on the nature of novel.  It seems to me novelization should be adaptation-as-a-novel of any work produced for delivery via a non-"reading" medium.  --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:14, 25 April 2023 (EDT)
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== Salt Is Not For Slaves ==
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:Perhaps a rewording to something like "novelization '''of the screenplay or script''' of a movie, TV show, game, or other non-written work" (emphasis added to show the new wording). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:00, 25 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: Don't replace the word '''movie'''. See [https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?197778 Luana] for a reason. The fact the movie was not filmed (or distributed or shown) seems irrelevant. I'm more in agreement with MartyD's approach, but why limit it to non-"reading"? A play has a script delivered via a non-"reading" medium - acting - so should novels produced from them should be novelizations? Play scripts have been published, though rarely. But do we allow for novelizations from short stories? or poems (Beowolf?)? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 16:30, 25 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::I didn't replace the word "movie" in my suggested rewording, so I'm not sure what you mean. Also, I wouldn't call ''Luana'' a novelization since he just made up a story based on the poster and watching a movie in a language he didn't understand. That's not novelizing. That's making it up wholesale, with a little inspiration from visuals. It's a completely different story.
 
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:::As for play novelizations, I'd consider those covered under the "or other non-written work" part. Expanding a short story into a novel is not so much novelization as it is making up entirely new scenarios and plots based on the short content of the original story. Same with a poem. For me, a novelization is an adaptation of a similarly-lengthy (so not short stories or poems) visual medium such as television, movies, games, plays, and the like. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:11, 25 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::If it helps, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novelization Wikipedia] defines it as "a derivative novel that adapts the story of a work created for another medium, such as a film, TV series, stage play, comic book or video game." ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:15, 25 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::: FWIW I tagged [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2885785 the Pat Cadigan adaptation of the William Gibson attempt at Alien 3], which seems to be a similar scenario to the edit in question here, as a novelization, and that edit was approved by Annie back in 2021 when I didn't have self mod privs. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:18, 25 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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(unindent) One of the challenges here is that -- in most cases -- we don't know how much the "novelizer" relied on the written script/plot outline that the media work was based on. Chances are that the author watched/played the media work in question at least once, but it's also likely that the author was familiar the script/plot outline. It's entirely possible that some novels/stories which we list as "novelizations" and which say "Based on [media work]!" on the cover were primarily based on script/plot outlines as opposed to on actual media works. (I say this in part because that's how some novelizations read.)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=salt+is&type=All+Titles; I can't find a copy of 1931 Ghost Stories issue where it says E. W. supposedly, can confirm it's G. W. in Book of the Living Dead (added link in a PENDING edit from OL-only no-search copy). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:19, 25 November 2023 (EST)
  
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Because of this uncertainty I would be inclined to use the "novelization" flag and then add a note explaining the gory details. Even if we don't use the flag, we'll want to add notes.
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== Rustin Parr ==
  
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After reviewing the linked Help template I am also thinking that we could profitably clarify the text in other ways, but that's a separate issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:25, 25 April 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36131; Title was entered in 2011, I've made 3 edits (one in each of the last 3 years), and only today noticed the title was wrong; it's Confession, not Confessions. Fixed that in a PENDING edit and while doing so noticed there are 2 foreign editions, https://archive.org/search?query=%22rustin+parr%22+stern&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=year%3A%222000%22, in case anyone fluent wants to enter those. I also have an edit adding UK Boxtree 4th printing of The Blair Witch Project: A Dossier by the same author; there is a HC book club (?) edition of the Onyx edition on Archive.org but I didn't bother with that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:29, 26 November 2023 (EST)
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: I think the clarification should consider what ISFDB wants to consider 'novelization' to be, as opposed to relying on external definitions. Interestingly we have a Note saying that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20417 Peter Pan] is a novelization of a play, but the Novelization flag is not set. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:22, 26 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: The flag is relatively new -- we used to use the contents field with specifically designed strings before and these were not set as often as the flags are now. I often find such obvious omissions... :)  
 
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:: I think that if something claims to be a novelization, we put the flag up and add a note with all the details we know - until more evidence is found that makes that incorrect (then we change the note and explain why it is not a novelization). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:25, 26 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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::: This may be more of a Rules and Standards topic, but here are my thoughts:
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== Khaw & Kadrey's ''The Dead Take the A Train'' ==
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::::* A novelization must follow the same plot as the "media work" being novelized. If a work of written fiction is set in a media universe but has an original plot, it is not a novelization. This rule excludes original novels and stories set in media universes like Star Wars, Star Trek, Warcraft, etc.
 
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::::* A single work of written fiction which follows the plots of multiple TV episodes can be entered as a novelization if the plot is close enough to the original plots. Borderline cases are left to the editor's discretion provided the specific are explained in Notes.
 
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::::* If a script, a screenplay, a libretto or a plot outline (e.g. for a game) which was used to produce a "media work" is subsequently published in written form without alteration, it is ''not'' considered a novelization.
 
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::::* An expansion or amalgamation of pre-existing works of written fiction into another work of written fiction (e.g. fix-ups) is ''not'' considered a novelization.
 
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:::: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:32, 26 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Portuguese Jedi ==
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Re. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3070028 this title], I propose deleting the pub dated 2022-09-27. That was the original publication date, which was pushed back a full year. I have added this detail to the notes for actual pub when it was released (2023-10-03), so the earlier pub record is now redundant. Any objections from anyone? [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 07:43, 27 November 2023 (EST)
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: Would it not be better to make [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Date the pub date 8888-00-00], rather than deleting the record?  That way the ISBN is still in the database in case anyone else tries adding it in future? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:36, 27 November 2023 (EST)
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::Yeah, that sounds sensible. Done. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 15:49, 27 November 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?852871; I think this should be a variant of an English-language novel, right? Also, it's Kahn who wrote Star Wars novels, not Khan, so that might be wrong (and James Khan has a recent story in his record, so there may actually be a Khan totally unrelated to the Star Wars guy). This, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1394010, seems to have been done correctly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:36, 26 April 2023 (EDT)
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== ayaz daryl nielsen ==
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:Varianted. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:17, 26 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== The Fire Worm ==
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Are there any objections to using lowercase for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?162023 Ayaz Daryl Nielsen]. I have never seen him credited any other way. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:01, 27 November 2023 (EST)
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:Hearing no objections, the change has been made. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:31, 3 December 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?5223; I just added a link in a pending edit to the Grafton edition; it mentions "Jingling Geordie's Hole" on copyright page, a 1986 Interzone story that (I think) is used for one of the chapters and seems to be mentioned elsewhere in the novel. No edition on ISFDB mentions this fact, so should it be noted somewhere or should the story be imported? Also, and I have a vague memory of asking this before, but the e-reads edition says 1988, which is wrong because that company wasn't founded until 1999. It's 1 of 6 with a too-early date on ISFDB, none PV, so fixing shouldn't be a problem if anyone knows what dates they really should have. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:40, 27 April 2023 (EDT)
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== Eichner ==
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:It might be 1998-12-01, which would work okay. That's around the dawn of ebooks. Also, [https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31329187634&searchurl=an%3Dwatson%2Bian%26sortby%3D17%26tn%3Dfire%2Bworm&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title8 this listing] on Abebooks states the novel is based on the "Jingling Geordie's Hole" short story, so that's what the mention was likely referring to. The short was apparently expanded into the novel. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:10, 27 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:I've changed the year based on the assumption 1988 is just a typo. I added a note about it, too. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:13, 27 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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::https://openlibrary.org/works/OL3691729W/The_Fire_Worm?edition=key%3A/books/OL8007597M#editions-list; 2002 e-book and 9/2004 PB, so there's probably several releases for each book by the company. Also, I think the complete short story is in the novel, copyright page says the story "first appeared" in Interzone. This, https://archive.org/stream/interzone-26/Interzone26_djvu.txt, says "constructed around" the "originally self-contained" story, so someone more familiar than I with Watson's work would need to see if the story is in the novel complete, spread among the chapters, etc. Likely importing the story would be incorrect but certainly a note could be added mentioning the novel's based around the story. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:41, 27 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== New SFWA "Infinity Award" category ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=m.+eichner&type=Name; While adding links and other stuff to E. Everett Evans books I noticed Eichner shows up twice as an illustrator and I assume those are the same people which would mean a variant is needed. Also, Eichner's birth date is off by 10 days from Wikipedia and most sites seem to agree it's 9, not 19, so the day may need changing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:38, 30 November 2023 (EST)
  
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https://file770.com/sfwas-inaugural-infinity-award-honoree-is-octavia-e-butler/
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== Disabling the Synopsis field for Variant Titles ==
  
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Looks to be the same sort of thing as the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?412+0 Grand Master Award]. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:37, 27 April 2023 (EDT)
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Back in April 2022 "Make This a Variant Title" [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive52#Make_Variant_and_Synopsis_data 2022-04-30  was modified] to move VTs' Synopsis data to their parent titles. A new cleanup report, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?328 Variant Title with Synopsis Data], was created at the same time.
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:Cool. She's a great author. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 22:22, 27 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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:: The official press release is [https://www.sfwa.org/2023/04/27/the-inaugural-infinity-award-honoree-octavia-e-butler/ here]. As near as I can tell, the first Infinity award will be presented at the 2023 "Annual Nebula Awards® Ceremony", but it will be separate from the Nebula award. Unlike the Bradbury award and the Norton award, the Infinity award is not mentioned on the [http://nebulas.sfwa.org/about-the-nebulas/nebula-rules/ Nebula Rules page]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 00:48, 28 April 2023 (EDT)
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The original plan was to:
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::: FWIW the Grand Master Award isn't listed on that rules page either.  Looking at [https://nebulas.sfwa.org/award-year/2021/ their page for last year's awards], Grand Master, Solstice and Service to SFWA are all in a "Other Awards" list on the right, separate from the main "Nebula Awards" list.
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::: * Some of the category naming is inconsistent: the YA, dramatic and service awards have a person's name before them, but we don't have '''Damon Knight''' Grand Master Award or '''Kate Wilhelm''' Solstice Award.  Looks like these were renamed after their inception - [SFE says] 2002 for Damon Knight and 2016 for Kate Wilhelm.  I know from the likes of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?27 Campbell / Astounding] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?43 Tiptree / Otherwise] that the main award records try to capture name changes, I dunno if there are official rules and standards at the category level
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::: * [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?31 The Nebula note] says ''"Note that the "Andre Norton Award" and the "Ray Bradbury Award" are awarded at the same time, although they aren't strictly Nebulas"'', but this is contradicted by the SFWA rules page which references "The Andre Norton Nebula Award" and "The Ray Bradbury Nebula Award", and that on the 2021 results page, they are listed alongside the other Nebulas, rather than the "Other Awards" sidebar.  I have a vague recollection that they might have become "proper" Nebulas - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebula_Award Wikipedia] says this happened in 2019.
 
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::: Anyone with more insight or opinion on these? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 07:04, 28 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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The first step was never completed, so the process stalled. I have now processed/corrected around 50 (out of 1546) affected title record. It is as we suspected. Most just needed their synopsis data to be moved to the parent titles. Some needed two synopsis entries reconciled. A few were in error, e.g. there was Notes data in the Synopsis field or vice versa. A few Synopsis  values were using a language other than English, which is explicitly not allowed in Help.
  
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Based on the above, I think it's safe to change the software to disallow entering Synopsis data for VTs. If there are no objections, I plan to work on it over the next few days. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:03, 30 November 2023 (EST)
  
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:::: In the meantime, I have created a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?103 Award Type record], a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?1065+0 Award Category record] and a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78337 Award record] for {{A|Octavia E. Butler}}. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:10, 29 April 2023 (EDT)
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:Will this block adding a synopsis to a serial title? In at least [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3129077 this case], each of the serial titles is a separate novella that could justifiably have its own synopsis. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:57, 1 December 2023 (EST)
  
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== Clint Smith ==
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:: That's right, the proposed change would prevent Synopsis values from being added to SERIAL titles. I don't think it should cause significant issues since semi-standalone SERIALs are rare and could be handled the way we handled {{A|George Lowther}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?16699 ''Superman'']:
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::* Chapters 1-2 describe Superman's planet of origin, Krypton. Chapters 3-5 deal with Clark Kent's childhood with his adoptive parents. In chapter 6, Clark goes to Metropolis and gets a job with the Daily Planet. The remaining eleven chapters deal with a mystery involving ghost ships and Nazi spies.
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:: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:53, 2 December 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648349; SFE says it's not the same guy as the later horror writer; https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/smith_clint. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:02, 28 April 2023 (EDT)
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:::That's what I thought. Hmmm. I don't think that would work in the case of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3129077 Last Stand] since each of the installments (Episodes) are approx. 20,000 word novellas which have differing focus characters within the pseudo-TV series framework and the summaries should be more than a couple of words each. I'm not convinced it is truly a serial anyway. [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod Anniemod] set this up initially and I've been following suit since. I could just as well see this as a series called <i>Last Stand</i> with the individual novellas as normal Chapbooks/Shortfiction titles. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:52, 2 December 2023 (EST)
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:I sent a message to the SFE editors asking about that since their bio says to not confuse the Clint Smith they list with the one who did the Gholjaw collection, but they list the Ghouljaw collection in that same bio. In the meantime, I've added a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?362778 Clint Smith (I)] entry until we know more. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:08, 28 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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:: The SFE entry has been fixed and I have added notes to the ISFDB record. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:12, 29 April 2023 (EDT)
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:::: If they have different focus characters and different plots requiring different synopses, then I agree that they sound more like linked stories than a serialization. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:09, 2 December 2023 (EST)
  
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== Carl (J.) Hoffman ==
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:::::I'm the only PV for these. On deeper examination, I believe they are linked stories, not serials. I'm going toss a note to Annie and then convert these from serials to shortfiction, unvarianting the titles, and grouping them under the series <i>Last Stand</i>. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:37, 3 December 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648405; Here's a weird one. This rare book was uploaded recently so I made the above edit, checked afterwards for Carl J. Hoffman, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2144766, I think it's a mistake and should be this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?945236. Mistake by editor here or Italian editor in the Horror Story anthology? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:09, 28 April 2023 (EDT)
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=== Outcome: Software has been changed ===
  
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== Third Alternative #6 ==
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Hearing no further objections, I have changed "Edit Title" to disallow entering Synopsis data for variant titles. [[Template:TitleFields:Synopsis‎]] has been updated as follows:
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61651; I fixed a poem title ("Latest Things") and there's a story that's dated March here, there's 2 mentions in the zine of March, I propose all contents and issue itself be dated March. Yes or no? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:59, 28 April 2023 (EDT)
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* A synopsis can only be entered for canonical titles. The software won't let you add a Synopsis to a variant title.
  
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:I think if you could find a scan of #5 and it had an "In March" section on the TOC page (as this one has "In July"), you could use March and cite that as the source of the date.  Unfortunately, there's no source cited for the March date on "The Bee Keepers", so we can't tell if there was something ascribing a March date to this issue and how authoritative that source might be.  Otherwise, the standard treatment for issues with timing specified by season is to use just the year, so we're stuck. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:42, 30 April 2023 (EDT)
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If you come across any issues, please let me know. All that's left is cleaning up the remaining 1400+ VTs which still have Synopsis values. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:15, 5 December 2023 (EST)
  
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== Dom and Va ==
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: There was a minor bug in the associated cleanup report. It was causing three valid title records to appear on the report. The bug has been fixed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:54, 6 December 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648943; ISBN trouble. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:19, 28 April 2023 (EDT)
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== Nightly cleanup reports fixed ==
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:That's what shows on the copyright page as well as the LOC entry, so that's what we go with. I added a couple additional notes based on the Archive.org copy that's linked there. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:56, 28 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Flexi-Disc?!? ==
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It turns out that the recent addition of a Notes template with an apostrophe in its name -- [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields "Achevé D’Imprimer"] -- broke the automated nightly process which regenerates cleanup reports. The software was fixed a few minutes ago and everything should be back to normal tomorrow morning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:12, 30 November 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5649045; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5649045; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5649045; Related to my mention here somewhere a while ago that magazines uploaded years ago on Archive.org aren't always complete, I took a look at these since there were only a few issues published. The first 2 had a few things fixed/added, but the 3rd is most interesting. According to front cover, contents, and intro something called a "flexi-disc" with music from The Bridge, an old Skipp & Spector horror novel that apparently was made into a film or something, was included in this issue. Now I'm certainly no youngster but I don't have a clue what that is; was it some pre-Internet music format or something? Was it like a CD? Anyway, the uploader, Sketch the Cow, who added a metric ton of old genre zines years ago, likely removed the disc but it seems to have screwed up the pages because there are several missing. Most alarming is the supposed JK Potter art for the Ray Bradbury poem, a little bit of which is on the contents page but nowhere to be seen in the zine itself. So I think the starting page entered here may be off for at least the poem, possibly others, too. Any chance someone owns a mint copy who's willing to unseal it and respond here? Also, there's always the possibility I missed a few other mistakes in these issues; there's also movie reviews and such that someone may think are worth entering, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:38, 28 April 2023 (EDT)
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== New superseries for Glynn Stewart's Castle Federation ==
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: Hi, Username!
 
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: Flexi disc is phonograph record made of thin, literally flexible :) piece of vinyl.
 
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: Those discs used as a means to include sound (speech or music) with printed magazines or sometimes books before CDs.
 
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: For an example, look at the popular Soviet literary and musical magazine [https://back-in-ussr.com/2021/02/sovetskiy-muzykalnyy-zhurnal-krugozor.html "Krugozor"] (the article is in Russian, but it should be clear from the photos). --[[User:Zlogorek|Zlogorek]] ([[User talk:Zlogorek|talk]]) 04:50, 29 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Thanks. I see that I've never left a message on your page in all the years you've been here, so welcome. This Bridge flexi-disc thing is bugging me because there's literally almost no mention of it online that I can find except on discogs.com and a random comment on Goodreads where a guy named "Tom" says "At least I have a flexi-disc of one song from the soundtrack". Highly unusual when every minute detail of almost everything is mentioned somewhere. Skipp and Spector were once 2 of the most popular horror authors around so you'd think this item would be hot stuff but no, nothing. The important thing, though, is finding a complete issue of Iniquities #3 so we can see exactly how the contents are. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:53, 29 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Nina A. ==
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Would anyone object if I create a new superseries named <i>Castle Federation Universe</i> which would have the existing series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42767 Castle Federation] as subseries #1 and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?65374 Dakotan Confederacy] as subseries #2? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 18:14, 1 December 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?328172; These are both by Nina Allan. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 30 April 2023 (EDT)
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: No objection -- book covers and Goodreads reviews confirm it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:09, 1 December 2023 (EST)
  
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::Done. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:52, 1 December 2023 (EST)
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: The story is a bit more of a pain, because it's in a PVed pub, and there are some other related issues.  I'll message the editor in question. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 11:21, 2 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Jewish Fiction Award ==
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== Julie Novakova/Nováková ==
  
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The [https://jewishlibraries.org/jewish-fiction-award/ Jewish Fiction Award] has been given by the Association of Jewish Libraries to works with significant Jewish themes each year since 2018 (first year they were awarded). It looks like these are the types of awards:
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?195102 The page for this author] has "Novakova" in her name, and states '''uses accentless spelling of her surname for foreign publications.'''.  However I just checked [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ship-Whisperer-Julie-Nováková-ebook/dp/B08F3S7J9L/ her collection] and [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rosetta-Archive-Notable-Speculative-Translation/dp/195106402X an anthology she contributed a story to], and [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Life-Beyond-Us-Original-Anthology-ebook/dp/B0BNZ7M4F7/ an anthology she co-edited], and all use "Nováková". I assume these should at least be a variant, but  I don't have the privileges to see who might have added that author note, in case they can shed any further light?
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This is a general fiction award for novels or collections of short fiction by a single author, with genre works winning or receiving honors on occasion. It doesn't appear to be a poll (I can't find details on exactly how the winner is decided each year), there's no fee to enter, works published only as ebooks are not eligible, reprints of previously-published work are not eligible, and the full guidelines are [https://jewishlibraries.org/fiction-award-submission-guidelines/ here]. Should we add it? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:45, 30 April 2023 (EDT)
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(Also, "foreign publications" seems a bit Anglocentric, especially in conjunction with a Czech author?) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:38, 2 December 2023 (EST)
  
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: The organization behind the award has been [https://jewishlibraries.org/history/ around for generations] and they have given awards to SF works like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2993594 ''Atomic Anna'']. Looks eligible to me. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:03, 30 April 2023 (EDT)
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== Ghosts of the Chit-Chat ==
  
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:: Hearing no objection, I have created a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?104 award type], two award categories and two award records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:36, 13 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?869953; Contents #1, #4-7, #9, and #12 are not original; they're much older stories with at least one (Tatham) being under a different name (H. F. W.) and title ("Phonograph Bewitched"), plus a couple of authors that are not already on ISFDB (although J. K. Stephens may be James Stephens who is). If anyone owns this or knows where to get a look at the full text some fixing/merging is needed after determining what names and titles are actually used in it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:02, 2 December 2023 (EST)
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:::Thanks! Those are the only two I could determine are genre. None of the others seemed like genre works. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:03, 24 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Lovecraft Studies ==
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== Best of John W. Campbell ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5650639; A dozen random issues of this magazine were uploaded on Archive.org in 2016 but today, while looking for something else, I stumbled on a single issue that was uploaded by a completely different person in 2021. Surprisingly, there was quite a bit that needed added/fixing; I tried my best, but I'm sure someone can improve on a few things after it's approved. Dirk B. entered it here in 2019 so he might want to look at it. Also, I made a follow-up edit merging "More Chain Lightning" by Lovecraft, keeping 1915 date and essay format. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:23, 30 April 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1212025; I have a PENDING edit adding Archive.org link to '76 US PB and another edit adding month to intro but the afterword has a variant with neither having a month. PB doesn't actually say afterword on that essay's title page so this may be a false variant that needs merging into one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:26, 4 December 2023 (EST)
  
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== Mr. Murphy ==
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== Best New Romantic Fantasy ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5651017; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5651022; There's a note by someone discussing Jim/James A. Moore's name in the anthology but it turns out Murphy's name was wrong here; however, in their novel he really was credited just as Kevin Murphy. There's also a story, "Awake", published in old British horror zine Peeping Tom, many 90's/early 2000's cover art credits (some for books by Moore and so very possibly by the same Murphy who wrote with him), an interview with a guy from the old MST3K show, and a (II) who wrote a letter to Analog in the late 70's. So when my edits are approved the Murphys need separating if anyone can figure out who's who. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 1 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?29658; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5827168; Re: this series, I don't think #3 was ever published like a lot of announced Juno books. There's almost no info online, nobody ever entered contents, etc. I think it should get an unpublished date here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:58, 5 December 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=tinm&type=Name; Same person, probably. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:49, 2 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?914; Should this be changed to Sarjulian and made a variant of his parent name? Because it's supposed to be what's on the page, not what PV thinks it should be. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:03, 5 December 2023 (EST)
  
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== Dutch Plot ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11147; Note in his first story says it's slightly different version of the second story. Should they be made variants? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:36, 2 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28987; '79 Plot doesn't belong with the others. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 6 December 2023 (EST)
  
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== Looking for 90s e-zine Cosmic Visions ==
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Good afternoon. I am trying to find any information about the late 90s ezine 'Cosmic Visions' that was put out by John Fultz for several years. I spoke to the editor myself, and he said he had no records or copies remaining. Specificaly, I am trying to find the September '97 edition which included a story by Stanley C. Sargent called "Synopticon of Fear". Does anyone have a lead re. any collectors or archivists out there that may be able to point me in the right direction? Thank you! --[[User:MagusManders|MagusManders]] ([[User talk:MagusManders|talk]]) 15:24, 2 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5828417; A copy of the rare 1977 horror novel The Soul of Anna Klane was uploaded to Archive.org earlier this year and I just came across it, it's a second impression so I cloned it, uploader messed up because the jacket is from an awesome book about circus people (or freaks as they were called back in the day) that anyone my age probably remembers reading or at least looking at the photos. Would anything by the author, https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL529624A/Frederick_Drimmer, qualify to be on ISFDB? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:59, 6 December 2023 (EST)
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:Was it published on a website? If so, do you know what the URL was? Was it published as an ebook? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:46, 2 May 2023 (EDT)
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:Is "Frederick Drimmer" the author of ''The Soul of Anna Klane''? The covers say the author is Terrel Miedaner. The only one from the list of Frederick Drimmer's works that looks like it might be includable is ''The Body Snatchers'', but it depends on what it's about. All his other works seem to be nonfiction about non-genre topics. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:33, 7 December 2023 (EST)
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::It was an ebook, distributed via PDF from cosmicvisions.com. The website went down in 1998, but there's some archived pages [https://web.archive.org/web/19970414113406/http://www.cosmicvisions.com/ here]. The editor told me that becase the copyrights were donated, each issue had an "expiration" date, but it wasn't clear to me if this meant he would stop distributing it, or if the files actually deleted themselves. And thanks for fixing my posting error. --[[User:MagusManders|MagusManders]] ([[User talk:MagusManders|talk]]) 15:59, 2 May 2023 (EDT)
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:Other works by Miedaner that might be includable include [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/181242.The_Mind_s_I ''The Mind's I'', in which he has a story or essay (not sure which as the book contains both). It has a work by Stanislaw Lem in it. I couldn't find anything else by Miedaner that could be included. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:40, 7 December 2023 (EST)
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:::https://web.archive.org/web/19970416090028/http://www.cosmicvisions.com/html/cvse.pdf; Only PDF in the archived pages as far as I can tell. None of the contents are on ISFDB. Whoopee. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:34, 2 May 2023 (EDT)
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::Miedaner wrote the novel, Drimmer wrote dozens of non-fiction books including some about genre-related topics that I thought might qualify. Maybe someone will find one or two with something in them that can be entered. The novel seems to have had a lot of other editions not on ISFDB including some foreign editions with weird covers so maybe someone fluent could enter those. Also, the Mind's I book you mentioned is on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=terrel+miedaner, in case you think that qualifies to be entered here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:55, 7 December 2023 (EST)
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::::https://web.archive.org/web/20111119172143/http://www.stanleycsargent.com/bibliography.html; Looks like he had 5 stories in Cosmic Visions and an interview with Bruce Campbell, star of the Evil Dead movies (evidence of that seemingly nowhere online at present). So I think a lot more than the story you mentioned above are elusive; the only evidence of it I see is your comments on Reddit. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=cosmic+visions; famed author Brian A. Hopkins had a bunch of stories in the zine; non-famous author Sean Rodgers had at least one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:30, 2 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:Well, I'm working my way through the archived pages and trying to add what I can find. You can see the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?69784 issue grid here] for what I've entered so far. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:38, 3 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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::It looks like a lot of big names were in this zine and it seemed to run for a long time. I keep finding random mentions in online bibliographies and such (even on LYSATOR, for God's sake), but I'd be happy if I could just find the Campbell interview. At least we now have that PDF linked here. Even the guy who ran the zine didn't seem to mention it; he probably forgot it was there. Websites in the nineties are like fossils now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:52, 3 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::Based on what I can find, it appears the magazine folded shortly after the January 1998 issue. I can't find anything in the archives about any issues beyond that one. So, it appears to have lasted about 1.5 years. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:17, 3 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::It looks like Robert Silverberg, Thomas Ligotti, Lin Carter, and Brian Lumley all contributed based on the entry on [http://www.lysator.liu.se/sf_archive/SF_resource_guide/sfrgc4.htm this page]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:31, 3 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:I'm curious how you know "Synopticon of Fear" was in the September 1997 issue. I can't find that information anywhere, though I may not be searching for the right information. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:23, 3 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Ah, it's on the [https://web.archive.org/web/20111119172143/http://www.stanleycsargent.com/bibliography.html bibliography page archive] linked by Username, above. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:27, 3 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:I think I've gotten the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?17678 Stanley C. Sargent] bibliography as far as I can with the current sources I've found. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:28, 5 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: Wow, thank you Nihonjoe and Username! You jumped on this faster than I could have imagined and did more than I could have myself! I am going to try to reach Robert M. Price to see if he has anything in his archives he's able to share, and I'll reach out to you if there's anything to be found. --[[User:MagusManders|MagusManders]] ([[User talk:MagusManders|talk]]) 14:22, 8 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Atwood's Dancing Girls ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5653645; Nobody ever entered original Seal PB so I did from recently uploaded scan but got ISBN trouble. Only site in Google Search with the ISBN without the dashes is Open Library which of course links to Archive.org, but there's also 1 lonely site that has the ISBN with the dashes, https://leavesandpages.com/2012/07/03/review-dancing-girls-by-margaret-atwood/. So somebody out there has a copy with the same ISBN. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:00, 3 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?87741; The author of None Dare... died long before the other works on his page were written so obviously by a different Allen; he has his own Wikipedia. However, I don't think there should be a variant but rather the novel removed because it's not really a novel, it's an anti-Communist diatribe by a member of the John Birch Society that's been reprinted endlessly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:42, 7 December 2023 (EST)
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:Changing the checksum digit did not result in a valid ISBN. In these cases, we move the ISBN to the catalog field and make a note that it has an invalid ISBN in the pub notes. I have taken care of that. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:34, 6 May 2023 (EDT)
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:Book has been deleted. Clear nongenre, nonfiction by a different author than the speculative fiction Gary Allen. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:16, 7 December 2023 (EST)
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== Twice Twenty-Two ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?532472; While adding a bunch of edits for Jonathan Aycliffe books I discovered a lot of the recent editions had wrong covers with somewhat different text. Constable & Robinson is the publisher for most on ISFDB but I also got a Corsair. Problem is most were actually published by the Constable imprint, with that publisher being on the title page and the copyright page mentioning it's an imprint of Constable & Robinson, but there's only a handful on ISFDB with imprint/publisher being entered correctly (I've fixed the few I've come across in my edits). However, Corsair is also an imprint of theirs and yet there are nearly 200 books on ISFDB by them but none as an imprint. That's a separate issue, but I'm only interested in this particular case where Constable is on the title page but copyright page now says it's an imprint of Little, Brown. There doesn't seem to be any combination of those on ISFDB so how should this imprint/publisher be entered? A text search on Archive.org revealed that the copyright text about Little, Brown for Aycliffe books only finds this one. There's several Little, Brown publishers on ISFDB, ISBN 1-4721 leads to several British ones. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:43, 4 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://openlibrary.org/works/OL103175W/Twice_twenty-two?edition=key%3A/books/OL26558953M; 2 copies, one searchable and one not, searchable one has a gutter code on p. 405, "03 N", which is not in the book club edition's note about gutter codes on ISFDB. Non-searchable one has no code. So if anyone knows how to identify dates from the code they may want to enter at least the copy that has a code. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:58, 8 December 2023 (EST)
  
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: (* I also have a bunch more of their anthologies in ebook that presumably have similar details, but as I'm led to believe that some people don't think there's any value in keeping records of them, I was disinclined to spend time digging them out and investigating further.)
 
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: Re. how these should be entered, I'll let someone more experienced speak to that, but my reading of [[Template:PublicationFields:Publisher]] is that whilst "Foo / Bar" may be preferable to "Foo" or "Bar", neither of the latter are intrinsically "incorrect"? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:59, 4 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Machen Merges ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5830404; Does anyone recognize the cover I added? I'm almost sure I've seen it before on an English-language book; if so, artist is likely on ISFDB for that and can be added to this. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:44, 9 December 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?55418; Person who entered contents, J.D. Cowan (has their own record on ISFDB) didn't merge anything in the 2nd and 3rd volumes and a few things in the first may not be merged, either, from what I can tell. They seem to have generated a lot of messages on their page about not entering things properly but never answered any of them so it's pointless to leave a message there; if anyone wants to merge all of that I'm letting you know. Machen's stories were published under a mess of slightly different title variations so it probably won't be easy. Also, looking at his ISFDB page I see that stories jump from 1937 to 3 1987 Italian titles, a 2019 Italian title, and a 2022 Portuguese title; the 2019 story, Un frammento di vita, capitolo IV, is possibly the same as the last poem on his page, Un frammento di Vita, so that's another issue. Is it a story or a poem? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:57, 4 May 2023 (EDT)
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:https://www.michaelwhelan.com/galleries/emergence/ and that conveniently also has [https://www.michaelwhelan.com/wp-content/uploads/fromtheheartofdarkness-cover.jpg From the Heart of Darkness cover]. Looks like we have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1727716 this]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:05, 9 December 2023 (EST)
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:Duplicates merged. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:50, 6 May 2023 (EDT)
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:The PV of the affected pub is active and a moderator, so I pointed him at this. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:10, 9 December 2023 (EST)
  
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== FIRE ==
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::The cover of [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5830404 Schrecksekunden]] is correct. Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 05:43, 10 December 2023 (EST)
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:::Submission approved. Cover credit added to Schrecksekunden with a publication note specifying the secondary source & new cover art record varianted to the prior one. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:19, 10 December 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5654147; Judging by edit history the title changed back and forth, with Stonecreek, I believe, entering the full title, but shouldn't all words be capitalized? ISFDB doesn't care how it's entered in the book, words should be capitalized, I seem to remember reading that somewhere? Also, Hand's ISFDB author image is the cover of this book; it would be nice if someone could find a good one to replace it with. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:51, 4 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Aiken's World Well Lost ==
  
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== Dutch Tilly ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?915733; I don't think Joan published a book with this title but rather it was her brother, John, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?135, so Joan's record for that book should probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 9 December 2023 (EST)
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:Deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:24, 10 December 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?542210; I have a few suggestions. There's a copy, https://archive.org/details/tillyroman0000pere, which is 111 pages, not 112, unless that last unnumbered page is in some way a part of the novel, in which case a note should be added about last page being unnumbered. Also, the subtitle Roman is not needed because it just means novel and those kinds of things aren't included in titles per ISFDB rules. Most importantly, this is some later edition judging by copyright page and 13-digit ISBN. By the way, there must be other genre-related books from this publisher, right? Because this is the only one on ISFDB. EDIT: I discovered something interesting while adding a link to the English-language edition; it says "a novel" on the cover but "the novel" on the title page because apparently it was originally an audio drama in 1986. So I don't know how exactly English translates to Dutch but if it's "the novel" then possibly that was meant to delineate between this print edition and the original spoken word. In which case subtitle "The Novel" should be added to the English and "Roman" left as is in the Dutch. If anyone cares about something so minor. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:11, 4 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Pan Mystery Walk ==
  
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== Bill Prosser ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?556649; Someone just uploaded a foreign cover for Baal, one of Robert R. McCammon's novels, which led me to do some edits for other of his books (there's a lot left to do even though I've done many previously). There's a $75 Subterranean Press signed limited edition of The Night Boat which has been on Archive.org since April of last year which I somehow never noticed before so I added a link to that but the Pan edition of Mystery Walk only has a 2nd printing uploaded; the question is whether the 1st printing also says Stephen Crisp on back cover instead of Steve Crisp, which is what's on ISFDB. So if anyone owns a 1st printing (I don't see anything online except 1 eBay auction where they took photos of everything EXCEPT the copyright page) and it says Stephen then that needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:38, 11 December 2023 (EST)
  
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https://archive.org/details/horrorshorrorsho0000unse/page/181/mode/1up; A rare British edition of one of Helen Hoke's thousand or so anthologies was just uploaded on Archive.org, I added a link and fixed the ISBN (which was incorrectly the same as the American ISBN) somebody entered from WorldCat, I think (I have a feeling a lot of stuff is wrong in these books considering how many different editors here entered them over the years and the insane mess of multiple printings, interior art being re-used between USA and British but often totally different cover art, etc.). However, in this case what I want to know is if there's a way to extract an image from the back flap, because there's actually a clear photo of Bill Prosser, who did interior art and British covers which are pretty awesome (sometimes re-used for USA, sometimes not). Date is 1978 but he looks like a dirty hippie who just crawled out of a commune in Haight-Ashbury or whatever the British equivalent of that was so I'm assuming this was an old photo that probably is in other British Hoke editions if anyone could actually find the damn things. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:47, 4 May 2023 (EDT)
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== International Polygonics Edition of Liars and Tyrants and People Who Turn Blue ==
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:If you could update [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:Bill_Prosser.JPG this] page with the appropriate template variables, it should serve. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:08, 5 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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::I'm a moron. I have no idea what that means so if you could explain further. Also, should I click on the image link and add it to his record in an edit? I think probably yes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:22, 5 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::And I'm a maroon. I didn't know where or how to connect it up and this was the best I could do as it was just graphics. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:15, 5 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::I have [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File%3ABill_Prosser.JPG&type=revision&diff=661373&oldid=661301 filled in] the license template. Each template page has the instructions for completing the template. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:37, 6 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Masterless Swords ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20274; I've made a few edits for this before but noticed today a copy was uploaded to Archive.org earlier this year so I added a link, replaced postage stamp-sized Amazon cover with their cover, and added LCCN (their site screwed up entering the title). However, the copy has a big thick sticker obscuring the cover art credit on the back; it seems to start with Kev so probably Kevin; no other books on ISFDB from the publisher have that in the artist's name so if anyone has/can find a copy can you let us know what the artist's name is? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:51, 12 December 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5654953; Obscure NZ newspaper article has revealed the contents, the titles of which seem to be nowhere on the web. However, I'm assuming the first 2 should be marked non-genre after this is approved. The article doesn't explicitly state the 3rd story's title but it's implied; there's a copy on eBay which shows title page but not contents page, so if anyone here has a copy that could help with possibly identifying the cover artist, verifying the title, and determining story lengths (I'm guessing it's 3 novellas). EDIT: I thought of searching newspapers.com and got 1 hit in an English paper but sign-up is required so I searched Google, verbatim, and got nothing but searching non-verbatim got 1 hit, https://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/digitised/issue/straitstimes19480422-1, which shows a little bit of a review on p. 9 which seems, from the text, like a different review than that above, so if anyone has a subscription or whatever then possibly this review may verify the 3rd story's title, which is the only genre one and the most important. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:18, 5 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Brennan's Riddle ==
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:This author is not above the threshold IMO so their non-genre content would not be eligible. While the newspaper review implies the title is the same as the collection title ("third story explains the title"), but it is not explicit. We need a better source for the title. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:21, 6 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Jack Red Bear ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308567; Been doing some Joseph Payne Brennan edits and this one is odd; there's no content. Is it possible that it contains his 1964 poem "Riddle"? It's likely not a collection but a chapbook or something similar. I added cover image and FantLab ID in a PENDING edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 13 December 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5655023; I think the right thing is making original a variant of the more common name, right? If so, shouldn't the date of Strete title be 1977-10-00, date of his collection it appeared in under that name? Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=nocka&type=All+Titles, where Strete supposedly wasn't even co-credited in the original and apparently it was by Strete under an alternate title and then the original title in his collection. I'm passing the baton on that one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 5 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Dedications in Poems ==
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:I varianted both stories to being by Bear and Strete. Due to how ISFDB works, if they were varianted to just Strete, they would disappear from the Bear page & we'd be left with an empty author page. It seems quite possible Bear was an alternate name for Strete so I added that to the {{A|Jack Red Bear}} author page, but without a source, it will have to remain speculation. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:12, 6 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Selkie Questions ==
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5817418 this submission] to alter the title of {{T|1337626|this poem}} based on [https://www.sfpoetry.com/sl/edchoice/34.2-2.html this web page] from the magazine's web site.  My question is whether "(For Edgar Allen Poe)" should be considered as part of the subtitle, or whether that is a separate dedication that should not be included in the title field.  If we go with the latter, it could be added to the notes.  My recollection is that poems occasionally have "For XXX" listed in a smaller typeface under the title though usually without the parenthesis.  I don't think we usually include these as part of the title field.  How do other folks feel about this.  If there is disagreement, we can move this to the rules and standards page.  Thoughts?  Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:50, 14 December 2023 (EST)
  
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Willem_H.#Signet_Selkie; I tried discussing things with this guy but he's giving me his usual attitude so I'm going to ask further questions on this board. So I see from edit history that back in my early days here I entered the exact HC date using a clear photo of a review copy slip that's on FantLab. Recently I entered a later printing of the Signet PB but things were messy because the map date said March due to somebody messing with the date long ago, although he claims it was in 2010 but I don't see that anywhere, I think he meant 2009. He fixed the map date so now it should obviously be imported into the HC since that's where it comes from. So do others here see, as I do, that the map is also on p. [6] of the HC like it is in the PB? PV of HC doesn't respond except by e-mail which I'm definitely not sending. He PV it in 2007, prehistoric days in terms of this site, so maybe people weren't entering things like maps back then. Also, if anyone thinks the page count really needs [6] added to it like this guy did for his PB PV they can always add it to the HC and my PB entry, you have my permission, although there's still the case of the mysterious 1990 12th printing entered, possibly, by Bluesman who's long-gone and also where printings 2, 4-11, and possibly more are and whether they all included the map. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 5 May 2023 (EDT)
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: Personally, I wouldn't include this as part of the title. It is somewhat similar to the way some sources treat additional information, for example for series - like in The Death of a Hero (Star Wars), and it ''is'' a dedication. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:35, 14 December 2023 (EST)
  
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:See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?1351644 this submission] from April 2010, scroll down to Modified Regular Titles and you see the date change of the map to 1982-03-00. That was not messing with the date, but aligning it with the date of the hardcover edition, (1982-03-00 since [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?1241153 this october 2009 edit]. I pointed to the edit that changed the date to 1982-04-16 in May 2021. I also pointed to the helptext that explains why the pagenumber should be [6] for the first paperback printing. Is there anyone else who thinks this has anything to do with "attitude", or is this simply the same editor complaining whenever someone disagrees with anything he does? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 15:13, 5 May 2023 (EDT)
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:: Dedications are a common occurrence, I never include them in the title. If someone wishes to put then in the note section, I would not object. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:25, 14 December 2023 (EST)
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:::Hearing no differing opinions, I will reject the edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:08, 22 December 2023 (EST)
  
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== F&SF Sep/Oct 2022 ==
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== Pocket Pulse ==
  
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I noticed on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?20325 the F&SF series page] that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3103984 the Sep/Oct 2022 issue] isn't part of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2971585 the 2022 record].  I only have a vague understanding/recollection of how magazines work, so I'll let someone more familiar with them work out if this should really be like that, and if not, how it should be fixed.  (FWIW that standalone issue is PVed, but by an editor who hasn't been around since the start of the year.) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:54, 6 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269828; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251391; Should these very old entries by the late PV be changed to Pocket Pulse as the publisher so they merge with all the many others on ISFDB? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:08, 14 December 2023 (EST)
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== A pricing anomaly ==
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== Martha Wells / All Systems Red - Code P1 ==
  
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Some copies of the original tp of All Systems Red have a code "P1" underneath "First Edition: May 2017" on the copyright page. Other copies have no code; the corresponding area is blank. Does anyone know the meaning of this code? Some online booksellers says this code denotes the first printing (or first state of first printing) but this seems to be their opinion. Is there any independent, documented, verifiable evidence of its meaning? Secondly, how should this be recorded in the ISFDb? We have two records: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?723225 PoD] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?608522 non-PoD]. Should I create a new pub record for the P1 code version or should I just add a pub note to an existing record stating that some copies have this code? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:41, 14 December 2023 (EST)
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"£19.99 until 31 December 1998" / "£24.99 from 1 January 1999". ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?949447 The Silmarillion]) ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 12:09, 6 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Rich Grote ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=ray+van+tilb&type=Name; Very likely the same person, problem is 2 of the publications are scarce zines and the Dragon issue, which I checked on annarchive.com, says Raymond Van Tilburg. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:17, 6 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?176753; I added, in a PENDING edit, archived site (online now is dead) richgrote.com and Behance page and wickedlocal.com article which revealed he's from New Jersey. There is a Rick Grote credit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?112933, but his bio at various sites online says he started in 1976 while this book is from 1975. Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?123700, where one actually says Grote in the book while the other was not named but editor entered it from cover signature. So if anyone can say for sure that Grote or Rick Grote are Rich Grote then those can be made variants. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:42, 14 December 2023 (EST)
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:[https://efanzines.com/Argentus/Ag13.pdf This] explains (and lets us correct) the Tilberg [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?584053 here].  It's "Ray van Tilburg" on the cover and several mentions, but the artwork credit list below the TOC says "p.20 Ray van Tilberg".  The artwork is credited on p. 20, however, with "Ray VanTilburg". The text associated with that begins "Ray Van Tilburg has a niche...".  I am going to change it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:55, 6 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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::One follow-up on all of this:  A little Googling reveals "VanTilburg" is correct, not "Van Tilburg". See the litany of [https://www.pinterest.com/aircool66/ Pinterest], [https://www.facebook.com/RayVanTilburgArt/ Facebook], [https://www.etsy.com/shop/ArtofRayVanTilburg Etsy], and his [https://offworlddesigns.com/ OffWorld Designs Art] site.  Per ISFDB standard, spacing is normalized when recording the credit, so I am going to remove the space from the canonical name and note that an extra space is sometimes included in credits. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:36, 7 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Brown's Brightest Day ==
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== Ash of Stars ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=the+brightest+day&type=Fiction+Titles; While adding links to stories that were on the old House of Pain horror site I added a link to Eric S. Brown story "The Brightest Day" but according to ISFDB it was published in a 2002 issue of Black Petals as Eric Brown, which means that is lumped in with the well-known Eric Brown who wrote a lot of SF. So if anyone knows how to get that issue of Black Petals and verify what his name is then either it can be variant or merge. I suspect there are other stories on Eric Brown's page here that belong to Eric S. Brown. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:07, 6 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102752; I was doing a bunch of James Sallis edits recently (links to several short stories, archived link to Shores Beneath, adding a massive collection from 2007 titled Potato Tree) and noticed this book about Delany. I don't do many edits for Delany because I can't stand him personally but I'm sure many people here like his work so I'll mention that the copy on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=sallis+delany, the copy on Amazon.com and the copy on Google Books all have the same ISBN on back cover with the barcode saying 53950 which means price is $39.50 but ISFDB says $42.50. Also, ISBN is for HC supposedly but archived copy looks like TP to me. So if anyone wants to add a link to the copy and fill in anything else or change anything, please feel free. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:58, 15 December 2023 (EST)
  
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== Shumate Story ==
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== Scheduled server maintenance - 3pm 2023-12-15 ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Time_To_Scare_Gramma; I suppose titles should be merged since they're the same but the lengths are totally different, so what do you suggest? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:27, 7 May 2023 (EDT)
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The ISFDB server will be down for scheduled maintenance between 3pm and roughly 3:10pm server (EST) time on 2023-12-15 (today). [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:39, 15 December 2023 (EST)
  
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== Le James Bond ==
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: The server is back up. Thank you for your patience. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:08, 15 December 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260470; French edition, https://archive.org/details/jamesbondchassea0000otfi, if anyone wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:07, 7 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Brian Keith Evenson = Brian Evenson? ==
  
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== Leokum ==
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Any thoughts/objections on making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?224599 Brian Keith Evenson] a variant of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ch.cgi?6382 Brian Evenson]?  The former has just 2 pieces of short fiction in 1986 and 1989 (both with difficult to Google titles), which slightly predates the earliest work of the latter.  Howevever (a) "K." is listed as the middle initial of the legal name of "Brian Evenson" (with [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/evenson_brian SFE] saying this it is "Keith"), and (b) the 1989 story was published by Brigham University, which Wikipedia says is where Brian Evenson got a degree and was later employed.  Evenson's site doesn't have any detailed bibliography that might help clarify those two early stories are his. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:39, 15 December 2023 (EST)
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:The source given for {{P|654878|The Leading Edge, September 1989}} is FictionMags Index. Checking them, they have these as the same author. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:50, 15 December 2023 (EST)
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:: Thanks - I've now set up variants/alternates for the author and two title records.  [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:37, 17 December 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5657866; While doing this I saw an Arkady Leokum on Wikipedia with different birth/death dates but at the bottom of his credits is a book with Posnick (it's on Archive.org). Just thought that was weird. Maybe dad and son? Wiki mentions "pulp fiction" (doesn't list any, though) so maybe they're confusing Leonard with his dad, except that Wiki mentions a son but his name is Peter. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:13, 7 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Conan the Valiant ==
  
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== Linton Christmas Story ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?982255; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5836070; Added a few archived links to some of Roland Green's Conan novels, went backwards so first novel was looked at last, it already had a link added by someone last year, as can be seen in my edit above the cover is not the same as the later editions, any Ken W. Kelly experts who know his style can say if both are his work in which case art needs unmerging or if Tor mistakenly carried over Kelly's credit for the later art by someone else. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:07, 16 December 2023 (EST)
  
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http://www.philsp.com/homeville/FMI/n04/n04934.htm#A181; 2 separate titles that don't match the title here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2851147. EDIT: I made these 2 edits, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5658281, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5658282, but there's a problem with "The Veiled Portrait" because it was given the wrong name and the date doesn't match either of these, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1359048, so I think somebody with a copy of this book needs to correct info somebody entered here; it seems to be Toff, who judging by the few entries on their page also entered some other Valancourt anthologies, so a look at those may be needed, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:16, 7 May 2023 (EDT)
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== F. Piatti ==
  
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== Asimov's Essays: The Hugo Winners ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=co+piatti&type=Name; 2 credits for each, one should be parent assuming credits are correct; maybe they're all really spelled the same and someone just entered one or the other name wrong here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:38, 17 December 2023 (EST)
  
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On Asimov's summary page we have the series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?68833 Introductions for 'The Hugo Winners']. This excludes his other essays - afterwords, postscripts and appendices - and so I propose enabling their inclusion by renaming the existing series to "Asimov's Essays: The Hugo Winners". What do others think? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:48, 7 May 2023 (EDT)
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: Done. Thanks for this find! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:36, 18 December 2023 (EST)
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: The existing series has only Asimov's essays, and is missing the introduction by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?135920 Charles Sheffield]. Not including it  suggests the title is wrong, but including it keeps it from being Asimov as your proposed title suggests. Also, prefixing it with "Asimov's Essays:" suggests that there are, or should be, other collections of his essays. Given how many he has written and how often they are reused, it may be difficult to categorize them. I think the series adds little value and don't care if it's changed, but I do think that a hierarchy of titles (e.g. "The Hugo Winners", "Essays for 'The Hugo Winners'") should be considered. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:24, 8 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Author DJ Tyrer ==
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== Abridged editions? ==
  
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I have been working on a number of publications involving DJ Tyrer, as an editor or a contributor. In the actual publications, he is always credited as DJ Tyrer not [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?153003 D. J. Tyrer]. Despite this, the ISFDB only showed separate initials. A quick check of the canonical record's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/author_history.cgi?153003 edit history] shows three merges. I contacted DJ and he confirms his first name is David-John, one name. He only goes by DJ. Separate initials are wrong. I intend to merge the two author records and all the appropriate title records. David-John Tyrer and David John Tyrer (one title each) will remain alternate names unless I can verify an error. I will add a note to the new canonical record so there will be no question in the future. He was also kind enough to review his summary bibliography and only found 4 errors, which I will correct. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:59, 8 May 2023 (EDT)
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Do we include abridged editions? I know we don't include dramatizations but the help doesn't seem to say anything about abridged editions. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:02, 17 December 2023 (EST)
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:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5659503; There are at least a few other thehorrorzine.com Tyrer poetry pages currently online spanning several years where they printed several poems on each page, including "Afraid of the Dark" which has a 2021 date here but it's on a 2018 Horror Zine page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:15, 8 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:Sounds good to me. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:26, 9 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Gruft ==
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: Sure we do! It's possible to add them to the general title (and add a note to the publication), or if the abridgement does alter the story in a major way to add it as a variant,  or if another hand is credited for the abridgement to add it as a stand-alone title, like in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2918952 this title]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:44, 18 December 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?495335; While doing edits for F. Paul Wilson books I saw this; that looks like a Les Edwards cover, doesn't it? If so, someone who can ID it can also variant it to the original. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:00, 9 May 2023 (EDT)
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::Thanks for the clarification. I've started to run across a number of audio items that have abridged versions but haven't been sure if I should add them. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:37, 18 December 2023 (EST)
  
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== Lincoln Hunters Date ==
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::: I have been told that abridgements are certainly accepted, but that they are never added as variants. How to deal properly with them was incorporated when dealing with translations, which are made variants but the difference in language makes it possible to distinguish them from name/author variations. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:39, 18 December 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?9373; I just added a link to the Rinehart 1st ed. and I think the dates are wrong because they're from the club ed. which usually comes later; anyone know original date? 3 PV of club ed., 2 long-gone and 1 with a very odd name has zip on their discussion page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 9 May 2023 (EDT)
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:::: That's certainly true for audio versions/readings: here it is quite a regular case that they are abridged, so they should just be added with a note under the respective title. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:33, 18 December 2023 (EST)
  
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== Butterfly Revolution Questions ==
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(unindent) Abridged editions are included. The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#How_does_the_ISFDB_deal_with_.22Portions_of_this_story_originally_appeared_in....22.3F FAQ says]:
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* If an individual story is rewritten or revised, then we create a Variant Title for it and add the nature of the changes, e.g. "expanded", "abridged" or "restored", in the Notes section. Please note that these conventions are likely to change in the foreseeable future as we beef up our software in this area.
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: The [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Feature:90155_Add_an_optional_%22nature_of_the_relationship%22_field_to_the_Make_Variant_screen original Feature Request to change the software] to display "relationships" between titles was created back in 2008, but it hasn't been implemented yet.
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: Of course, when dealing with drastically changed titles, e.g. novels reduced to excerpts or short stories expanded to novel length, we create separate title records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:33, 19 December 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20540; Some more editions of Butler's books recently uploaded on Archive.org, I've been making some edits, I noticed someone (Don Erikson?) wrote a note about where they got cover artist from for the original American PB but didn't actually enter the artist. So if anyone has the book he got it from they may want to enter it. Also, the most recent American PB on ISFDB is a 20th printing but there's a 1984 19th printing uploaded with the same cover, so if anyone knows which edition was the first to use that cover they can fix the art date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:16, 9 May 2023 (EDT)
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:: To the original question - abridgements are in. I am questioning the varianting advice. I also once noted the lack of documentation on abridgements specifically. The original place I was told not to variant abridgements was in [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive46#Abridgements this] conversation. The argument was that variants were for title / author variations or translations as a special case due to limitations in the software. Only one moderator said so, but no one contradicted, so have been going by this since. There were [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_25#variant_or_independent_work.3F earlier] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Adaptations_and_Abridgements later] discussions (I doubt I found them all) with varying degrees of agreement but no resolution.
  
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== Bloch's Second Coming ==
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:: And the FAQ reference above was answering a question about portions of a story appearing earlier in a novel that is expanded or created from a series of shorter stories. The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:MakeVariant HELP on variants] says at the beginning that they are only for title and author variations, but later talks about how to deal with translations (with a link to how-to details). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:50, 19 December 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1222802; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?97532; Might be the same thing. This, https://socialistjazz.blogspot.com/2017/04/ffb-eighth-stage-of-fandom-by-robert.html, describes it as articles about Jesus; this, https://cthulhuwho1.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/2256_inventory_4.pdf, says it was in an obscure periodical, Osgledaren, foreign I'm guessing. So some obscure things here, Taboo, Eighth Stage of Fandom, and that periodical are not anywhere I can see, so help if you can. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:03, 9 May 2023 (EDT)
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::: [[Help:Screen:MakeVariant]] says:
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:::* Two title records are variants if they are in fact the same story, but have either a different title, or use alternate names for the author.
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::: Translations are effectively "the same story" for our purposes, but I agree that it's not made clear in the statement above. We should probably update it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:16, 20 December 2023 (EST)
  
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== Joan D. Vinge's Heaven Chronicles and Vernor Vinge's Zones of Thought - same series? ==
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:: It sounds like abridgements should not be varianted. But there's no help on how to document the relationship to the original - be it in the Notes or a linking template. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:50, 19 December 2023 (EST)
  
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Per [https://www.tor.com/2023/05/10/five-authors-who-wrote-sequels-to-someone-elses-work/ a James Davis Nicoll piece published today on tor.com], ''"Finally, there is the curious matter of Joan D. Vinge’s 1978 [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1423 Outcasts of Heaven Belt], which shares a setting with Vernor Vinge’s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?11587 Zones of Thought] stories... Vinge explained the genesis of her novel and the connection to the Zones in a 2008 letter to her readers. Until I read that letter, I had no idea there was a connection"'' and there's a link to [https://web.archive.org/web/20160303224912/http:/www.sff.net/people/jdvinge/letter_20081103.htm an archive.org copy of that letter] (which I've only skimmed over).
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:::I'm following this closely since most audio abridgements are significantly shorter than their unabridged brethren (should they exist for comparison). Often 2-3 hours compared to 8+ hours. The source novel is often in the 270 page range. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:57, 20 December 2023 (EST)
  
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There are a fair number of PVs of both the Joan and Vernor Vinge novels, any thoughts on whether those series could/should be merged, one made a subseries of the other, just have linking series notes, etc?  I don't have any personal opinion or insight on this, as the only one of them I've read was A Fire Upon the Deep, which I have to confess I DNFed a third of the way through... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:53, 10 May 2023 (EDT)
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:::: I would expect a version that contains only 25-33% of the original material to be considered a separate derivative work. Kind of like {{A|E. Nesbit}}'s juvenile adaptations of {{A|William Shakespeare}}'s works are listed as separate works with the word "(abridged)" appended to the end of the title: "A Midsummer Night's Dream (abridged)", "The Tempest (abridged)", etc. Except, of course, there would be no additional co-author. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:52, 20 December 2023 (EST)
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:::::To me, this makes the most sense. If it's significantly abridged, it should be a separate work (for example, I think the abridged audio releases of ''{{T|7577|The Courtship of Princess Leia}}'' should be separate as they are only 3 hours as opposed to the {{P|983542|unabridged version}} of 14 hours (finally being released in January)). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:00, 20 December 2023 (EST)
  
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::::::Based on this guidance, the title above has now been split into [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7577 The Courtship of Princess Leia] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3258106 The Courtship of Princess Leia (abridged)]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 18:02, 20 December 2023 (EST)
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:* ...the "Heaven Belt" stories are linked to the "Zones of Thought" series created and written by my former husband (and still friend), Vernor Vinge.
 
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:: Thanks - I've created [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?69884 an unimaginatively named superseries] with some brief extracts from that letter, and a link to it. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:13, 13 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== We Are All Legends ==
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== Présence du Futur ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661090; My note is in addition to notes that other editors wrote for the other 2 editions on ISFDB. I assume ISFDB rules state that this should be a collection as opposed to a novel even though it's called a novel on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:40, 10 May 2023 (EDT)
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Ex-editor Hauck entered some entries in this endless French series but only basic info. I came across a manual which I added as a link, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5837420, although I have no idea if it contains anything useful, then I entered several missing bits of info for Gravité à la manque from Open Library, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5837421. I then came across a title with an actual copy, but rather than stumble my way through entering info from books in a language I'm not fluent in I'm just going to list this, https://archive.org/search?query=%22une+collection+d%27inedits+au+format+de+poche%22&sin=TXT&and%5B%5D=collection%3A%22inlibrary%22, so if anyone can find anything useful to enter from those they can do so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:34, 19 December 2023 (EST)
  
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== Trek: The Lost Years ==
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== Crash Override ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661789; James Van Hise is on title page regardless of what cover and Archive.org note writer says, so what's the procedure? Shouldn't it say James Van Hise (in error) and variant to Edward Gross? Assuming, of course, that Van Hise didn't actually write it. EDIT: Cover artist has an extensive record without their middle initial; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?133578. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:40, 10 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?659223; I added archived link and a few other things in a PENDING edit to the other book by the publisher, the novel The Secret. Publisher actually has no space between the 2 words in its name so I fixed that and then was going to check online to see if it was the same for this much later book but realized this probably shouldn't be here since it's not by a known author and it really has nothing to do with genre. So should it be deleted? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:54, 19 December 2023 (EST)
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:I was advised some time ago and it is my understanding that any works shortlisted for a genre award (in this case a Hugo) are considered in.  This exception is called out in [[ISFDB:Policy|our policy page]] but only for online publications.  Perhaps we should be more specific.  Aside from that, my recollection from reading the book in 2018 is that it is chiefly about the Gamergate event which is tightly coupled with the Sad/Rabid Puppies movements.  I don't recall how much Quinn went into the latter, but if at all, it would certainly qualify this as a book about speculative fiction. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:51, 19 December 2023 (EST)
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::OK. It's PublicAffairs in Amazon look inside so I'm going to fix that so both books on ISFDB will be by the same publisher. EDIT: There's 1 archived copy which was uploaded in May, 2021 but wasn't added until January, 2023 (?!?) so I also added a link to that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:14, 19 December 2023 (EST)
  
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== Napoleon ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?175902; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?58684; Someone added link to one of Hedge's poems years ago so I just added link to the other poem even though 1990s Nightscapes issues are somehow still online and not hard to find; however, I think this is a pseudonym for Ron Goulart because that essay (not short fiction as ISFDB calls it) from F&SF is clearly a fake bio. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5662212; I found another poem by "Hedge" hiding in that HPL issue. This page, http://www.epberglund.com/RGttCM/nightscapes/NS04/hplindex.htm, lists all the letters and other stuff that The FictionMags Index didn't list in case anyone thinks those need entering. The date is fishy, too, because it was published in October judging by the production dates but it's called "April-October". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:36, 11 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?31091; I added archived links to Minstrel Boy and ...Overhead and fixed formats to TP for both; publisher was also changed to Napoleon Publishing for those 2 and ...Yard because Napoleon & Company, as explained on the copyright pages, is a parent company and Publishing is the actual imprint. The problem now is the 2 e-book Gargoyle editions don't actually show a copyright page on Amazon and, more importantly, Time Thief's beautiful Napoleon cover is nowhere online and ISBN defaults to the Dundurn Press edition's less beautiful cover. Looking at Dundurn's Wiki page they bought Napoleon in 2011 which makes sense because Blogspot page linked in Napoleon's record on ISFDB ends in February, 2011, a month before their Time Thief edition was supposedly published. So maybe someone can say whether Time Thief Napoleon edition should get an unpublished date of 8888-88-88 and whether that and the 2 e-books should have their publisher changed to Napoleon Publishing just to keep everything together. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:13, 19 December 2023 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?395035; Title is wrong, it's Lost Cities, note makes no sense with the dates vs. book date, non-genre series book with many other Lost Cities volumes, only here because of review, delete? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 11 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?186482; Likely 3 or 4 different authors on the same page in case anyone can find info to separate some or all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:32, 19 December 2023 (EST)
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:Book deleted. Review turned into an essay. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:06, 13 May 2023 (EDT)
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:I split the entry into three. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:18, 20 December 2023 (EST)
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::I just fixed a short story in Sargent's record, turning it into an essay; I think it was this one so mistake was made when entering, I guess. I also added a few more story and poem links and think that I've done pretty much all there is to be done with him for now, at least until someone uploads one of his hard-to-find books, which will probably open a can of worms because I see at least one problem with 2 of his stories probably being the same but one having a subtitle in his collection. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:40, 16 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5649674; Someone familiar with the foreign editions, tell us which cover Hoffmann really did. SFE, as so often before, has wrong info, but it was obviously wrong anyway because it's a tinted photo of Adolf H. who didn't come to power until long after Hoffmann died. I tried to explain that in my note but it didn't help. So when someone identifies which cover is his this can be un-rejected. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:53, 11 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3575; Archived copy uploaded in 2020 so I added a link in a PENDING edit; note about frontispiece is wrong as it is credited on copyright page (an editor of Canadian edition noted this correctly) so maybe one of the active editors (Willem, GlennMcG, Spacecow) can fix note so it says the same as Canadian edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:23, 20 December 2023 (EST)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5663113; Fixed this up but there's another record, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35403, which has an award nomination, so I think the award should probably be moved to the record I just edited and the other record deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:01, 12 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366452; Oz fans, a request. I saw a lot of Oz edits in the queue recently and discovered many of R.P. Thompson's books were reprinted in PB in the eighties. I added archived links to the 4 I found but Speedy has a missing cover and most online ones are of the weird $19.00 reprint that nobody seems to know much about; the archived cover sucks because it has 3 huge stickers on the bottom obscuring things and a cover on Biblio.com is shot too far away, has a Barbed Wire Books business card in front of it, and has some plastic holder or something at the bottom of it. So if anyone can find a clear and clean cover, can you upload it? Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:45, 21 December 2023 (EST)
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:Fixed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:02, 13 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27454; I just had author image approved and noticed that short story is likely not by the artist because he died several years earlier. There's also an alternate name for the story which was also an alternate name for a few interior pieces by the artist. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:32, 12 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?22179; Year and subtitle (Allen, seen on sfpoetry.com) different than other ISFDB record; poem here, https://poetrynz.net/pdf/PNZ48.pdf, says Allan. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:16, 22 December 2023 (EST)
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: The publisher's website and the title verso of the publication containing the story agree the authors name is Jeff Stewart, not John Stewart. I'm hoping it's this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?131106 Jeff Stewart]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:52, 12 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== C. Armitage Harper ==
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== Knock on Wood ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5663571; Death date very different, mother's name slightly different, verification needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:14, 12 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0-671-04070-7+&type=ISBN; Cover says Vornholt; why is Friesner credited for the same book? EDIT: Also Witchopoly, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0-671-02806-5&type=ISBN. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:37, 25 December 2023 (EST)
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:Deleted the two Friesner ones. All reliable sources show these two ISBNs as by Vornholt which matches cover. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:06, 30 December 2023 (EST)
  
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== External ID template additional wording needed ==
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== Yesterday We Saw Mermaids ==
  
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In the Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs here], for the Audible-ASIN entry, could something like "If the Audible ASIN is an ISBN-10, convert the ISBN-10 value to ISBN-13 and place the ISBN-13 value in the ISBN field." be added after the sentence that reads "Also note that, unlike regular Amazon ASINs, we record Audible ASINs even when they match the ISBN-10."?  Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:30, 13 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55736; Cover is the Tor edition but it's on the Wiki so the Pan cover would need uploading to replace it; problem is I can't find it because all eBay copies are Tor. So either it's rare or vaporware. Help, if you can. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:00, 25 December 2023 (EST)
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:I think I must have put this in the wrong discussion group so I just copied this to Rules & Standards. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 06:54, 22 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Harry O ==
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== Finding forgotten horror story ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273603; I randomly came across a non-fiction book by R. Matheson, Mediums Rare, that was never entered here but after doing so it said Harry O. Morris was a disambiguated name because of that 1 wrongly-entered cover credit; do I have permission to merge with this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1282130, since PV with wacky name never responds to any messages sent to them on their page? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 13 May 2023 (EDT)
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Hi, all. I hope you all had merry Christmases (if you celebrate).  
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:I merged them. That was an obvious error (entering the cover illustrator & interior designer and labeling them with their roles). --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:47, 13 May 2023 (EDT)
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Someone on Goodreads is trying to find a horror story he or she read in the '70s about gentle hand-shaped creatures who live in a forest near a town or village. But then several people are found strangled with hand-shaped bruises on their throats. (Spoilers ahead.)  
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The creatures are rounded up and killed. But the killings continue, and the townspeople realize the creatures were all shaped like left hands, while the bruises on throats are from a right hand (or vice versa).
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Does this story sound familiar to anyone? Thanks! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 01:40, 26 December 2023 (EST)
  
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== Crispino Cover ==
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== Sidgwick & Jackson Prices ==
  
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https://fantlab.ru/art9850; Says he's Italian but credits on ISFDB are for German books, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?244341; cover on FantLab is the same as this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?603133. Also, the note on FantLab about the artist (RIGHT-CLICK AND CLICK TRANSLATE TO ENGLISH), if I understand it correctly, says he's wrongly credited as D. Crispino in that book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:33, 13 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5843103; I was looking at the Science Fiction Specials (added a couple more links because a few of them were hiding on Archive.org using a title of one of the contents instead of the overall title) and also am adding links and other stuff to books from the publisher by the authors in the Specials. I've noticed their prices on the front flaps are a mess with some being old pre-decimal prices and others being stickered with decimal prices. In this Asimov case you can see a pre-decimal price under the sticker that looks like 35s to me but I can't find any copies online that show the flap. So if anyone knows what the original price was, thinks it should be cloned, etc. let us know. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:29, 27 December 2023 (EST)
  
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== Martin H. ==
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== Silverberg and Neverness ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=martin+hof&type=Name; I think the 2 German artists are the same person. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:04, 13 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:SFJuggler#The_Time_Travelers; Linking this here in case anyone else might own a copy of the Donald I. Fine edition of Neverness. Also, should we make the Silverberg thing a pub. series? There's got to be more than 2 books in it; Archive.org search isn't the most accurate and there could be books not archived that are part of the series. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:40, 27 December 2023 (EST)
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:There is an English artist, a German artist, and a German essayist. If you question the credit on any of these, they all have active verifiers whom you can ask to double check. Otherwise, you would need a source that shows any of these are the same person in order to create an alternate name. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:56, 13 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== John Craig ==
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:I have the Donald I. Fine 1st hc edition of Zindell's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23681 Neverness]. It does state "A Robert Silverberg Science Fiction Selection" on rear flap and also "RS/SF" on spine of dj. I have also discovered that Sturgeon's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15623 Godbody] has the same features. Looks like a pub series to me, even if it didn't last very long and didn't have many books in it. I have Godbody so I will PV both these pubs and edit them to create and add the pub series. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:40, 2 January 2024 (EST)
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::Great, thanks! A search for the exact series title on Google only finds the ISFDB record for Godbody and my message on the SFJuggler board. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 2 January 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?19264; None of those are by the guy who died before any of them were written/drawn, and likely none have anything to do with each other, although it's slightly possible the guy who wrote the stories wrote the essays, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:08, 13 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Where the Southern Cross the Dog ==
  
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== Tipped-In ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326635; Does anyone own the August 2002 issue of Locus? I added cover/interior artist and intro by S. R. Tem but I can't find the titles of the stories anywhere, 3 supposedly, and it was reviewed by Edward Bryant in that issue. Maybe he mentioned them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:05, 27 December 2023 (EST)
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:Ah ha, I recently added a link to 40+ years' worth of microfilmed Locus issues on Archive.org and vaguely remembered that I had asked about an issue of Locus recently. I checked that 2002 issue and yes, all 3 stories were mentioned. The one original, "Black Angel Blues", doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere at all online (until now). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:46, 17 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?815229; Book is 1920, preface is 1930, this page, http://wormwoodiana.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-revels-of-orsera-query.html, says it was tipped into leftover copies of the 1920 edition, link someone provided here to Harvard copy doesn't seem to have the preface, this copy does, https://archive.org/details/b29826123, what do you suggest? Add Archive.org link and mention preface in notes? Clone edition? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 13 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Siergiejew ==
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:I would make a second pub, 1930, for the one on Archive.org, with that dated pre-TOC preface in the contents as the differentiator (note it also has a "By the same author" list not seen in the other copy, and the "v" number on the first TOC page no longer aligns with the physical page count).  The linked Harvard copy has the library's date stamp "Dec 6 1920", which pretty much guarantees it is an edition published before that date and can't possibly have a 1930 preface. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:51, 14 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== DW and the Genesis of the Daleks ==
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https://readfrom.net/michael-aronovitz/364512-the_voices_in_our_heads.html; It's Marius Siergiejew in that link, no z in first name but also no "Noistromo", I checked Unlikely Entomology issue and it is Mariusz, so both should be variants assuming all the ones under Marius "Noistromo" actually have the correct name entered; now that the link above shows there's at least one with just Marius maybe that should become the parent after name is fixed and the nickname should be the variant. I added a Blogspot link to the Marius record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:47, 29 December 2023 (EST)
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:Alternate name created. I would not consider that site reliable enough to change a verified pub. Unfortunately, the verifier is no longer active so we will have to wait for someone else to re-verify it. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:58, 30 December 2023 (EST)
  
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https://archive.org/search?query=dicks+daleks+pinnacle; According to edit history I added Archive.org link to Day last year although I have absolutely no recollection of doing so. However, the recently-uploaded Genesis is problematic; it says second printing, May 1982 with a $1.95 price but the only ISFDB edition with that price says 1-1981 and the 1982 edition is $2.50. So someone who knows the complex history of these Who books can add the link if they can decide which edition it belongs to. I assume it should be the 1981 because that has the right ISBN in which case the date would need changing, but then the 1982 would need a new date because it's a third printing. There's no note in 1983 that it's a fourth printing, either (and no price), although there is for the fifth and sixth printings. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:08, 14 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Webs of Time ==
  
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== French Dark Channel ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?54122; Does anyone think the replacement cover I used is better than the old one? Mod didn't agree. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:35, 29 December 2023 (EST)
  
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https://archive.org/search?query=garton+alliance; I've been doing a lot of Ray Garton edits and came across this in case anyone wants to enter a French edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:14, 15 May 2023 (EDT)
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: Well, the overall quality (= colour likeness) seemed better with the amazon source, ''and'' I do assume that this source will be more stable than Fantlab (and presumably that's the line of thought Chris_J also tended towards). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:26, 30 December 2023 (EST)
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::I guess; anyway, my replacement cover will still be in edit history so that's something. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:53, 30 December 2023 (EST)
  
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== Ronald Fraser Art ==
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== Fanni S. ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5666000; Unusual last name of artist, he's on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?373087, Desert title page photo online says E. while signature can't be found on Flower Phantoms cover but few online mentions use Eric; I also added a link to Fraser's Landscape With Figures and the artist there is also on ISFDB twice, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=lucchesi&type=Name, with 1 cover clearly signed E. and the other Edmund. So I mention these things in case after approval someone decides which names are parents and wants to variant the other ones. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:59, 15 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=fanni+s&type=Name; Probably the same person, maybe entries under the first name really don't have the special "u" or maybe editors didn't enter it that way. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:21, 30 December 2023 (EST)
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:The three records with Suto all had Amazon Samples available which showed they should have been Sütő. Only one was verified and that verifier is showing as not active in several years. I made the changes. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:46, 30 December 2023 (EST)
  
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== Saga Press Dates ==
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== Pandora Effect ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?576157; I just did an edit adding Archive.org link to this; I don't often deal with such recent books so I'm not familiar with Saga but is it normal for their print books to have one date, in this case 0816, on the flap and another date, in this case November 2016, on the copyright page? One of the bios at the back says a book from one of the authors "will appear in August 2016". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:45, 15 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45062; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit, do any of the active PV think an August month should be added to dates as notes say? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:10, 31 December 2023 (EST)
  
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== E. Gornall ==
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== Great Tales of Action and Adventure ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=gornall&type=Name; While adding some M. John Harrison edits I was going to add a link to Ice Monkey but it was already there via RTrace last year, but I noticed artist Eddie Gornall is also on ISFDB as Eddi; PV of that book, Jlassen (Jeremy Lassen?) is gone and never responded to any messages, copy on eBay shows everything except back flap where I assume cover credit is, and Archive.org copy of Ice Monkey is coverless. I can't get a handle online about what his real name was so if anyone knows they can variant one to the other, assuming they're really spelled differently. Being older fantasy books I assume some people on here have their own copies they can check. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:15, 16 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5846199; Cover question about this '67 10th printing I just added. It says Richard Powers on copyright page but Robert Shore on back, Powers credit possibly left over from earlier printings? Should Shore be entered instead? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:23, 31 December 2023 (EST)
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:My copy doesn't have the credit to Shore on the back, but the cover is different than the Powers original. Seems like we should have a Richard Powers (in error) created as an alias to Shore. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 18:43, 2 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Zombie Apocalypse ==
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== Through the Budgerigar ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?36612; I made a bunch of edits to a few of the anthologies; I'll just mention that they don't really say "Mammoth Book of" on US title pages, just on the cover, so there's really no variant titles. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 16 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?925198; While adding LCCN to Jones novel Transplant I noticed this book was added not long ago and while SFE mentions it and even a cover artist there seems to be no evidence of a cover online; can anyone find one? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:06, 3 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Jagendorf ==
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== To the Sound of Freedom II==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5666413; "Demon and the Rabbi" was the only title I couldn't fix, appearing in one of Helen Hoke's anthologies (one of several by him in her books) as M. A., in his collection as Moritz A., and ISFDB saying it first appeared in 1968 somewhere under some unknown name; anthology says it comes from his collection Ghostly Folktales (not on ISFDB) but gives no date. So take a look at that after approval if you wish. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:36, 16 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive53#To_the_Sound_of_Freedom; I came across this record again today; should it get an all-8's date? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:24, 4 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Hoke Horrors ==
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== HG Wells and His Critics ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5654666; I've made another edit simply adding the Archive.org link, but someone more versed than I in technical stuff can help explain what should be done with this. SBN is for Brits, ISBN is for Americans, why SBN gets no hits I have no idea but that's clearly the number on the copyright page. Why did Helen Hoke have to edit so MANY books and why did the American publishers change so much but not change other stuff and confuse everybody? A good assignment for someone with a lot of patience would be to go through her entire ISFDB list and double-check everything; they re-used British covers for American editions sometimes but other times they were completely different, both editions of each anthology would need to be seen side-by-side to verify if the Bill Prosser illustrations are the same between editions, British spelling of certain words in story titles that may or may not have been used for American titles, multiple printings of certain books of which very few have been entered here, etc. Someone keeps uploading ex-library copies on Archive.org but the titles of some of her books are so similar it's hard to keep track of them or remember if I added links or not. On a side note I discovered that at least a few of her books were part of a pub. series called Terrific Triples but that's only mentioned on their copyright pages; I have a couple of pending edits adding the series but hell if I can remember which ones they were; many more out there, it seems, some for her many non-genre books not on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:46, 17 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://archive.org/search?query=wells-and-his-critics; Anyone know a way to tell which of the 3 publishers these copies are from so I can add links? The USA one has no record; maybe it was never actually published by them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:38, 5 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Top Science Fiction ==
  
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The server will be down for maintenance between 12pm (noon) and 12:05pm server time (Eastern Daylight Time). [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:10, 17 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://archive.org/search?query=pachter-josh+top&sort=-addeddate; Someone added intros to this anthology recently, I added archived link long ago, just noticed a Spanish-language edition, La crema de la ciencia ficción, was upped to Archive.org in 2013 in case anyone fluent wants to enter that. EDIT: From the same publisher is La Crema del crimen, https://archive.org/search?query=crema-del-crimen, which includes a few stories from ISFDB judging by back cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:40, 6 January 2024 (EST)
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:I will add the Spanish one.  What the heck. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:12, 6 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Pachter ==
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::If that was related to the many messages by Alvonruff lately, what is the hoped-for outcome of his behind-the-scenes work? Will it improve anything on our, the editors, end? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:12, 17 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1914279; Josh Pachter is credited as "with" on title page of 2015 English edition on Archive.org. Should he be added as co-author? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:21, 6 January 2024 (EST)
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:I didn't check the Archive.org copy, but the Look Inside on Amazon shows that "with" citation, but then on the copyright page it says the English translation is copyright 2015 Dhooge and Pachter.  There is also a copyright 2014 for Dhooge and the original publisher. I interpret that to mean Pachter's role was (co-?)translator.  I found Pachter's [http://www.joshpachter.com/bib/bibliography.html bibliography page], and this listed in the "Translations" section.  But just to avoid having anything be too clear, he also has [http://www.joshpachter.com/bib/bib.styx.html this], where he talks about previously translating another Dhooge work and being asked to "collaborate on an American version" of this one.  So does that mean this isn't a translation but is actually a major revision?  Dunno.  Given that Pachter only takes credit for translating it, I think noting him as translator and documenting the "with" citation and the copyright statements (could throw in the Pachter site references as a bonus) should be sufficient. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:30, 6 January 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5851689; I was adding links and adding/fixing other stuff in some Gor editions, mostly UK Star PB, when I noticed an artist's signature for Players of Gor, Star edition, is on the cover but ISFDB had no credit. I tried several names I thought it could be and finally got Tony Masero who, as far as I can tell, is credited exactly once on the entire net for doing this cover, an AbeBooks/Biblio seller's description, but AbeBooks show the wrong (Daw Books) cover and Biblio's scan of the right cover is much too small to see the signature clearly. So I think I got a rare one. As can be seen here, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_publisher&O_2=exact&TERM_2=star&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=contains&TERM_3=of+gor&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], there are 5 other Star editions with no cover credit; if anyone can find a signature on any of them, beat me to it and enter them yourselves. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:49, 6 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Night Mayor Cover Art ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?54005; Chris J entered all issues on ISFDB but there are several missing; this page, https://web.archive.org/web/19990224223357/http://www.etext.org/Zines/Quanta/issues.html, seems to have all of them, in case Chris is still around and wants to finish them or someone else is interested. I noticed this because the serial by Vassilakos is missing several parts on ISFDB (it also says 17 parts but archived page ends at 16 so that's odd). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 17 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?474; I noticed that the cover art for the original UK HC and the US C&G HC, which is the same, is credited to 2 different artists here. It's easy to find photos of the back flap of US online which does say design by Roy Colmer but of the several eBay sellers who offer the UK none thought to show the back flap. There are many C&G Colmer design credits online so I'm thinking Kemp did the art and US just didn't credit him, only their designer. So should we make C&G artist Jon Kemp with a note about him not being credited? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:11, 10 January 2024 (EST)
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:He's still around because he just made a ton of edits adding/fixing stuff. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:25, 18 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:I have the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44644 UK hc of Kim Newman / The Night Mayor]. The rear flap of the dust jacket states: "Jacket Illustration: Jon Kemp" and "Jacket Design: Bostock & Pollitt Ltd." [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:44, 18 January 2024 (EST)
  
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https://archive.org/details/whodunnit0000radn; I came across this randomly, seems to be a murder mystery anthology but some of those titles (especially "A Curse on the Pharaoh's Rod", hee hee) sound like they could be genre. Anyway, a Who is on the cover so that may push it over the line. Older Brits here may have read this in their youth and remember details. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:24, 18 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Darrah Chavey's Passing ==
  
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I was saddened to read this morning of [[User:Chavey|Chavey]]'s passing in [https://file770.com/pixel-scroll-1-10-24-tom-swift-and-his-scrolling-pixels/ File 770] (Number 7 in the Pixel Scroll).  It was always a pleasure to work with him here and he will be missed.  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:49, 11 January 2024 (EST)
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:I replaced link on his page with an updated one; also, while adding a link to the issue of the zine, Aurora, where his Walton essays appeared I discovered that most issues of Aurora and its predecessor Janus are on Archive.org, he PV most (all?) of them, but some have full contents while others have nothing. I imported a few poems from Robert Frazier, Steven M. Tymon, etc. but there's a ton of other book reviews and articles and stuff for anyone who's interested. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:15, 11 January 2024 (EST)
  
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"Merge Titles" has been enhanced to perform additional checks before creating submissions. You can no longer create Merge Title submissions which would result in "circular" variants, i.e. variants whose parent record ID is itself. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:37, 18 May 2023 (EDT)
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:: Sad news indeed. He had a heart attack a few years ago and has been less active since then, but he was only 69, so it was unexpected. Thanks for updating his User and Talk pages. I have updated user rights on his account. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:11, 12 January 2024 (EST)
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:Rtrace, thanks for letting us all know. I echo your sentiments. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:47, 13 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Non-Genre Stories ==
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== Barn Owl ==
  
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After recently printing contents not available elsewhere (which is most of them) from the 1935 British anthology My Grimmest Nightmare at a local library I've finally started reading them and discovered that several are non-genre so I've been marking those and giving brief synopses. This is a common issue here with collections/anthologies both old and new; I think it would be helpful if editors who come across non-genre stories mark them and write a synopsis so people will know which are genre and which aren't. I also want to mention that this anthology is nuts. I read the rare A. Blackwood story long before the others and it was pretty creepy, as expected, but besides the several ghost stories there are a philosophical discussion of the afterlife with what seems to be an atheistic ending (probably raised a few eyebrows back then), a slice-of-life about a sad old guy in a top hat who gets hit by a bus, an account of 2 hikers lost in the mountains that seems like it strayed in from National Geographic, a shopkeeper who apparently gets punished because he didn't donate enough money to charity, and my favorite, a jungle tale of an explorer who encounters spiders, were-hyenas, and a giant half-spider/half-were-hyena which ends with what I think was meant to be a nasty joke about his bride-to-be's looks (no #MeToo in 1935). Least favorite so far? Probably the one about the guy who likes SOS messages on the radio and decides to visit some old guy looking for his long-lost son; the old guy's Irish maid is drawn so broadly I'm surprised she wasn't chewing on a potato when she answered the door. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:49, 18 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4296; I made an edit for City of Hermits long ago and today added some more stuff; I think this Barn Owl is not the same as the other that published much later. Ann Jungman who wrote a few of the later ones has a Wiki page where it says she founded Barn Owl in 1999 so I think the 1983 one should get a USA or California or something added to it. Whoever wrote the note about Frances Lincoln here seems to have conflated the 2 publishers; the England location probably belongs with the later publisher. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:27, 11 January 2024 (EST)
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:I separated out [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4296 Barn Owl Books (UK)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?83339 Barn Owl Books (USA)] based on the ISBN's. I also updated the notes for Barn Owl Books (UK) based on [https://www.thebookseller.com/news/frances-lincoln-acquires-barn-owl this article]. When untangling publishers, the [https://grp.isbn-international.org/ Global Register of Publishers] can be of help. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:11, 13 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Reginald-3 ==
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== Pat Frank Title ==
  
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I got a sudden urge to know what is entailed when someone makes a Reginald-3 verification, I think it's called. I know RTrace does a ton of them and I see a few others doing it occasionally, but where do you go to check that and what exactly is it? Maybe I'll try some. Are secondary verifications considered something important here or do people just do them because they want to? Does anyone find them useful? Are there any rare ones people have been looking for? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:08, 18 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856366; I added cover image long ago; just came across archived copy which was there years before my edit so I'm not sure why I didn't add it back then but I did now and also added dash in title, H-Bomb, but I noticed there's another part of the title that people can't decide on. Mhhutchins entered it with 3 dots but title page has one GIANT dot while facing page has long dash and LOC/WorldCat has comma. So what's the consensus? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:44, 11 January 2024 (EST)
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:When you're viewing a publication page, click on "Reginald-3" in the Secondary Verifications section and it will take you to [[Reference:Reginald3|this page]]. It's a big case-bound book that has tons of author, titles, awards, and such in it. It's a very useful thing to have , but only for works published between 1975-1991. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 00:09, 19 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?4975; Did it for Seth Pfefferle's 2 books since I entered 1 of them early last year. Is this something people have been doing since 2006 when public editing started here or is it recent? Because it seems weird that those books had never been verified before someone like me did them. Are there, like, tens of thousands of books still not verified or have most of them been done already? What's the criteria for not verifying something in that book? Is it known to have lots of mistakes? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:32, 19 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::It's generally considered reliable, but unless you have access to the book (Reginald-3) itself, you shouldn't be verifying anything with it. It's got around 1500 pages (if I'm remembering correctly), and it's always possible it's missed some books that were published in that period. However, for the books it does have, it's considered very accurate. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:26, 19 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::It's easy to verify with it because I'm using the Archive.org copy that I added a link to 6 months ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:46, 19 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::Awesome! Have fun adding the verifications. I don't think those even require a moderator to approve them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:52, 19 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::::Honestly, as soon as I added those 2 verifications I lost all interest. Half the "fun" of editing here, for me, is waiting for a mod to look at my edits and then decide whether to approve them (50,000 and counting, in the top half-dozen all-time for a non-mod/non-self-approver and the only one who still edits regularly except for "Fixer" which is a robot and doesn't really count), especially when they claim something was wrong when it actually wasn't and then think they can argue with me. If I'm lucky sometimes they even apologize when they find out they made a mistake. Doing Reginald seems entirely pointless if there's no approval needed. I only mention my adding the link so that others here who actually want to verify those ID know that the book is readily available. It seems to me that one of the computer geniuses who are on this site should have figured out a way by now to trawl the book and automatically add ID to all books that don't have them yet, but maybe it's not easy/possible to do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:23, 19 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Adventures Of The Adventurers' Club ==
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== Sue Robinson ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5669128; https://searchworks.stanford.edu/view/9339400; I think the edition on ISFDB should really be paperback because of the cover and price; Stanford copy linked above is clearly hardcover and notice that it doesn't mention drawing on title page like Archive.org copy does. So what do you think? Change to PB and maybe clone a HC edition with Stanford link? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:44, 19 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?16675; I added archived link and a few other things to the HC of Amendment; author is a respected American newsperson. She should be differed from the Australian author. 1992 story in Weird Tales may be by either of them or another person since there's no bio in that issue. Also, does anyone own Amendment PB? It has nice cover art but there's no back cover photo online where I assume the artist would be credited. I see some weird blocks in the lower right, P and another letter, maybe initials or maybe just part of the art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:10, 11 January 2024 (EST)
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:I separated out ''The Amendment'' to {{A|Sue Robinson (I)|373246}}. The author blurb for ''The Amendment'' does not align with the bio for the more prominent newspaper reporter of the same name, nor does that person list ''The Amendment'' as one of their works on their personal or faculty website. So probably two different reporters with same name. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:55, 13 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Peter Goodfellow ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5669692; Story seems never to have been reprinted in English but it was in a French gaming magazine for some reason, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?39139, https://www.amazon.com/Phenix-n45-magic-jeux-role/dp/2871535426, in case anyone wants to enter it. I'm guessing there's more translated stories in the other missing issues. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:19, 20 May 2023 (EDT)
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http://petergoodfellow.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/18-misc2; I added a few credits for this artist but the last one has me stumped because the 1992 edition had the same cover as the last image here, http://petergoodfellow.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/18-misc2, but that was wrong because archived copy has the same Posen cover as the later printing on ISFDB. Goodfellow cover has an M for Mammoth so was it an earlier or later edition and why can't I find the original Methuen cover anywhere? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:54, 12 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== French Swastika ==
  
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https://www.google.com/search?q=potter+scalehunter+ebay; I just added an Archive.org link to Scalehunter in a pending edit and I don't see that art so I don't know if it's in a limited edition or what but I noticed it's also here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?727762; French cover art should be a variant, I think. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:46, 20 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5857839; French speakers, I made my usual shaky attempt at entering a foreign-language edition but I felt a book of such fame probably deserved it; after approval if anyone cares to look it over I'm sure it can be improved. I also made a follow-up edit changing date of French variant to a year earlier to match the date of this book. Also, those Feminist Press editions, https://archive.org/search?query=swastika-night&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22, are a mess, the one with the white cover matches the UK Lawrence & Wishart edition's cover but has the info of the '85 Feminist edition, while the other 2 with the face on the cover either a) have no price on the back and totally different back cover text but copyright page is the same or b) are a 4th printing from 2003, I think, with cover info on copyright page the '85 edition doesn't have and a missing back cover so no way to tell what was on there. If anyone cares to figure all that out. For some reason the French edition I mentioned above is in English according to Archive.org which is obviously wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:59, 12 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== L. Ron Hubbard's Colon ==
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== UK Omni ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?8224; I've been adding links to copies of this series including several that are only Open Library non-preview and I noticed that editors over the years entered the title randomly with it being almost evenly divided between commas after Future or not. So a standard should really be decided on and titles fixed so they all match, although I think going by ISFDB rules they should all have a colon after Future, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:28, 20 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://fantlab.ru/edition356174; I added archived links to the 6 volumes of Best of Omni and noticed FantLab has a photo of #6 with a UK price on it in case anyone knows more about that; maybe all 6 were published there but, if so, none are on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 14 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Tiret-Bognet ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=bognet&type=Name; same Verne illustrator, same book in different languages, one should be parent and maybe some of the art needs merging, Holmesd worked on many of these Verne books so he'd probably know. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 14 January 2024 (EST)
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The company's website is a mess and they don't seem to announce anything. {{Unsigned2|14:35, May 20, 2023‎|Femmefan1946}}
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:They're likely all listed over on [https://firefly.fandom.com/wiki/Firefly_(comic_series) the Firefly Database]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:27, 20 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Canonical name Amir Zand ==
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The ISFDB server will be down for maintenance on 2024-01-15 (today) between 3pm and 3:10pm EST. The database and the Wiki will be unavailable. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:09, 15 January 2024 (EST)
  
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There is an canonical author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?284398 Amir Zand (San)] but only one title is credited to him. 10 titles are credited to his alternate name Amir Zand. Wouldn't it be useful to change the canonical name? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:11, 20 May 2023 (EDT)
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: The server is back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:06, 15 January 2024 (EST)
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: Go ahead and make the switch. Please add his [https://amirzand.art/ website] to the new canonical name. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:24, 24 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: Done. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 08:16, 25 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== N. Katerli ==
  
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:::: Next time, please do not use "'Make This Title a Variant' (breaking the relationship) and 'Delete This Tile (previous canonical) for titles only published under the previous alternate name. Use advanced search and then merge the two titles, paying attention to the radio buttons. Not only is this one edit instead of two, but will save the information from the previous canonical title record. Delete should always be your last option! [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:08, 25 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=katerli&type=Name; I found a huge (380+ pages) thread on FantLab's message boards with people who have died, many of which were never entered on ISFDB (not all genre, though, some footballers and other non-genre people are included, too) and while adding many dates and photos I came across Katerli; I added Wiki link, day of death, and photo to Nina's record but is that other spelling the same person? If so, some variant would probably be needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:25, 17 January 2024 (EST)
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:It's very possible, given how things get romanized from Eastern European languages. Perhaps one of our Eastern European language people can do a little digging? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:30, 17 January 2024 (EST)
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::Looking into it a bit myself, I'm 100% sure they are the same person. Working on connecting them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:57, 17 January 2024 (EST)
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::Okay, everything is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?373565 here], now. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:27, 17 January 2024 (EST)
  
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::: Thanks for working on her stories. I have added dates and updated the author record. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:51, 17 January 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5670646; This book, even though it has a PV, had a lot of stuff missing/entered wrong, so after approval please take another look to make sure I caught everything or didn't make a few mistakes myself. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:21, 21 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Terry Venables ==
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:Since Don is no longer present, I will accept the edit and make some other updates based on the Internet Archive scan. But first, I'm going to point out the existing bad page number to Ahasuerus as it seems like the clean-up report should have caught that, but it is not listed. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:28, 21 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5861442; Is this the famous footballer (or soccer, as we Yanks call it)? There seem to be a lot of photos of him but some of them look like a different person so just making sure this is the right guy (he wrote some novels including Bornless Keeper which is on ISFDB but online info seems to suggest he didn't actually write any of it, Gordon Williams did). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:44, 17 January 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?40797+2012; I added image to Sparks; cover artist is obviously the same person for both books but spelled differently, Amazon previews don't reveal anything helpful, so if anyone knows a way to see how she's credited that can be fixed. Also, while looking for the publisher I saw there's another Earthbound, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354536, which may or may not be the same, but there's a problem in that the book is called 3rd in a series but the first 2 on ISFDB were published years later by a different author. So that might be a mistake. EDIT: 1 of Mr. Lobe's books available and entered here by me, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5670781. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:57, 21 May 2023 (EDT)
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: Yes, things like that do happen: there are several titles in the database for which it is doubtful if the featured prominent author did actually write them; and so, jugig from the photo and the theme of the listed title it is '''the''' Terry Venables. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:38, 18 January 2024 (EST)
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::I can confirm that the photo in your submission is indeed of the English footballer [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Venables Terry Venables]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:42, 18 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Alchemy Magazine ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?66822; I'm sure there aren't many Matheson collections that don't have numbered contents here so I thought I'd found something special when I saw FantLab's page, https://fantlab.ru/edition117836, until I saw the note (RIGHT-CLICK to translate) which is kind of unclear. So if anyone has a copy maybe they can say what the numbers should be and enter them (unless someone understands what the FantLab writer was trying to say). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:18, 21 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?35135; Luminist.org has a lot of magazines not on Archive.org and while replacing cover and adding link to Alchemy #2 I noticed all 3 issues have a different format, TP/unknown/pulp. Those who know about such things may want to adjust those since I'm assuming they all should be the same format. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:11, 18 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Dinotopia Digest Novels ==
  
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Gollancz are putting out a new hc of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?39404 Tales from Earthsea] collection this week, and I noticed that a few places such as [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Earthsea-Fifth-Book/dp/1399602411 Amazon UK] and [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Earthsea-Fifth-Book/dp/1399602411 Gollancz] are listing it as "The Fifth Book of Earthsea".  However, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?4220 the series page here] has this collection unnumbered, with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?21392 The Other Wind] as #5. In turn, Amazon UK and Waterstones have The Other Wind listed as book 6 of the series.
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I just made about 20 edits for this series (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5862661 through https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5862859) and as usual with series books it's a nightmare; I think I did as much as I could with what's available (oddly, only 1 book, Survive!, didn't have its original Random House edition entered on ISFDB so I had to scrounge up a copy on Google Books to enter info from). I think only one thing may raise questions and that's this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2230051, where an editor here in 2017 entered James Gurney as cover artist but even though he's mentioned on all copyright pages because he's the creator/owner of Dinotopia it was actually Michael Welply who did all the covers. Problem is after I removed cover credit (I didn't enter Welply because while it does say that in archived 3rd printing copy there are some 1st printings of books in the series that misspelled it as Welpley and then corrected that in later printings) I noticed the nomination for best cover in the art record. So I don't know what to make of that; was Gurney nominated because he's the creator or did someone make a mistake and not nominate the real artist, Welply? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:58, 18 January 2024 (EST)
  
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Now, I appreciate that the often crappy data that appears on retailer sites doesn't necessarily count for much when determining what gets recorded in ISFDB.  However, I do see that the Gateway ebooks of these titles - not currently recorded here, although I'll try to rectify that shortly - do have "The Fifth/Sixth Book of Earthsea" as subtitles on their title pages, which perhaps lends more weight to that numbering scheme?
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I've double checked my Orion UK tps of these, and neither has any such subtitle. I also have the UK ebook of the collected Vess illustrated edition, and whilst I haven't spotted anything that explicitly says either book is numbered 5 or 6, there's an afterword that states (my emphases): "Here at last, for the first time, is Earthsea, in English, '''all together in the right order'''. .... The six books of Earthsea ... and in England one publisher calls it a quartet, and '''another reversed the order of the fifth and sixth books as if it didn't matter.'''"  This also makes me think that 5=Tales/6=Other Wind might be the more correct/author-approved numbering.
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I did a word count on a digital version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1832 Eric], and it's around 35000 words, i.e. clearly a novella. Comments on the title and various publication records point out how unusually short it is. [http://www.locusmag.com/index/b381.htm Locus] calls the first edition a novella, but later editions a novel. I think the novella classification is correct, but am hesitant in converting such a high-profile title. Any opinions? [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 08:01, 19 January 2024 (EST)
  
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(FWIW, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthsea the Wikipedia page] doesn't number them; it does state "the fifth and last novel of the series, The Other Wind", but obviously that's qualified by "novel" rather than "book".)  [[Template:TitleFields:SeriesNum]] doesn't indicate anything about collections being treated differently to novels when it comes to series numbering.
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: My electronic copy contains 34.2K words, so it's a novella. That said, I wonder about Locus changing its classification after the first edition. Is there any indication that later editions may have been longer? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:43, 19 January 2024 (EST)
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:: I can find no indication of there being different editions of the text. I noticed however that after the original illustrated edition (which was billed "A Discworld Story"), it usually says "A Discworld Novel" on the covers, so Locus might have just gone with that. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 13:59, 19 January 2024 (EST)
  
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Despite owning duplicate copies of these, I've never actually read any of them, so I don't have a dog in this fight, but wondering if there might be consensus for a change? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 07:58, 22 May 2023 (EDT)
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:::: It sounds like it's a novella whose subtitle (but not the word count) was changed in later editions. I suggest we wait for other editors to share their thoughts before we change the type from NOVEL to SHORTFICTION. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:49, 19 January 2024 (EST)
  
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: I've read the first four novels so far only, so I can't comment on the contents of ''Tales from Earthsea'' and ''The Other Wind''. But I own the {{P|678370|German edition of the collected Vess illustrated edition}}, which contains an introduction by Le Guin, written by her in 2016 and which should be {{T|2437124|this one}} in the English edition. In this introduction, she's mentions the "six Earthsea volumes" and explains, how ''Tales from Earthsea'' and ''The Other Wind'' came into life. She stresses that ''Tales from Earthsea'', "the fifth book" (!) has been treated as marginal, but, according to her, is essential for the series. As a result I'd say you are correct: 5=Tales/6=Other Wind. That's also the order the works are printed in the illustrated edition. Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] ([[User talk:Hitspacebar|talk]]) 15:04, 23 May 2023 (EDT)
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:::I added an Archive.org link in a PENDING edit to The Illustrated Eric, 2010 Gollancz HC, so that may help with the counting; page count said 144 but it is actually 131. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:26, 19 January 2024 (EST)
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:: Thanks - if I don't hear any objections, I'll do the 5/6 renumbering in a couple of days. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:14, 27 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== BM ==
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:::: I have approved the submission that corrected the page count and updated the Note field to indicate where the corrected page count comes from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:49, 19 January 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5671406; https://www.amazon.com/Beastmaster-Myth-Richard-Knaak/dp/1439144176; I can just make out "51600" in archived copy's back cover barcode through the sticker but that Amazon page linked above has a much higher price but the same ISBN and look inside has the same number line, so if anyone knows if there were later printings or something let us know. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:31, 22 May 2023 (EDT)
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::::: (Chime) Not surprised, don't care, go ahead. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 21:26, 19 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Ayan(n)a Mathis ==
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(unindent) Hearing no objection, I have left a message on TerokNor's Talk page asking him to proceed with the proposed changes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:38, 24 January 2024 (EST)
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:Thank you. I have submitted the first edit to begin the process. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 05:19, 2 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=na+mathis&type=Name; I added a link to the Times supernatural issue and it is Ayana, but I can't get a clear idea of how Ayanna is credited or which is her real name because she's called both all over the web, plus a Christian website I came across congratulated her on getting married and changing her name from Ayanna Thomas. So does anyone know more about her? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:28, 23 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Late Mods ==
  
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: I have absolutely zero knowledge of this author or their works, but the impression I get from Google results (and the photos next to the various results) is that there are 2 different people, with the single-n one being an author who's the most likely candidate to be the one of interest here, based on [https://www.ayanamathis.com/ author website] and [https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/155206/ayana-mathis/ publisher site].  The double-n one seems to be some sort of influencer/self help guru?
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I had a thought while adding FantLab ID to a PV Brian Lumley book today; is there a way to remove the necessity of adding a note to the mod about what changes you made if the mod is deceased? There have been several mod losses recently, most of whom PV countless books, so it would save time to not have to write anything if the only PV's are ones who are not going to read those notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 19 January 2024 (EST)
  
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: The two titles associated with the double-n author name are from the same fairly recent PVed pub by Gzuckier, so I'll post on his page to look at this item. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:05, 23 May 2023 (EDT)
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: I think there are two sides to this issue.
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::I'm looking at the Times archive online, and it looks like I misentered the recent review, and it should be Ayana. I'll change it. Thanks for the alert. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:18, 24 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Ace Books / Ace Fantasy Books ==
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: The first one is technical, i.e. whether it would be possible to modify the software to check each primary verifier's Talk page to see if it starts with the "Deceased user" template. The short answer is "Yes, it would be possible, although it would also make our core software more closely intertwined with the Wiki software, which may become a minor nuisance during the next Wiki upgrade".
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?18305; All 3 Ace editions are on Archive.org so I added links but while they all say "Ace Fantasy Books" on title page only 1 edition says that here. There's over a hundred here as by that name so I just thought it was odd; I wonder how many other books here as by "Ace Books" are actually by the longer name and whether it would matter to anyone to fix those; did they officially change their name to the shorter version at some point after 1986? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:43, 23 May 2023 (EDT)
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: The second one is functional, i.e. whether making this kind of change would be desirable. I am not sure it would. It would save some keystrokes, but there is value to having more detailed Edit History for primary verified publications even if their verifiers are no longer available. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:42, 19 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Pyramids ==
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== Moll/Head Virgin Planet ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?697334; I was fixing a few Zebra Books from 1986 and on that should have had Kensington as part of the publisher; I got most of them except a few romance junk novels that were reprinted like a thousand times so I didn't even bother with those because I'm not even sure if they belong here. However, I was disturbed to discover afterwards that many of the old 70s-early 80s Zebra Books have Kensington as part of the publisher (?) I suspect I know who entered many of them so I will now start fixing those but the first one I looked at wasn't entered by that person but rather by Artisan, who I don't believe is around anymore. Not sure why it was accepted because the author is not above threshold in the slightest and this book is seventies paranormal "non-fiction" nonsense. So it should probably be deleted, but if not at least the regular date should be changed to March because editor mentioned that in their note but didn't actually make it so. EDIT: After further investigation I think, unlike Leisure Books and their later separate history with Dorchester, Zebra Books used Kensington even in their older books. So I think I've finished cleaning up (except for Death Screen, can't find info on that one) but this book still doesn't belong here, I believe. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:45, 23 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5864268; I added cover and prices but I think publisher should be changed to Wyndham, either Star or Tandem or Target which are all on ISFDB related to Wyndham, since their logo is on front and back covers, https://www.ebay.com/itm/143869122299. The other issue is the cover is the same Charles Moll art as earlier US paperbacks; Michael Head was a designer with 1 other ISFDB credit that notes say is just a photo and a Mike Head I noted in an edit earlier today as the designer for Piatkus edition of M. Bingley's Waiting Darkness did a cover which is just a photo of a fist. So where Head credit came from for Virgin Planet I don't know but I think Moll credit should replace it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:09, 19 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Italian Valancourt Edition ==
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== One Hundred Years of Science Fiction ==
  
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https://archive.org/search?query=blackburn+beastly-business&sort=-addeddate; Italian price on back cover and notice on last page about being printed in Italy in 2022; does this require a separate record here or can I just add the link to the current edition? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:50, 23 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5864915; I'm guessing this Gollancz edition is rare judging by the fact there's almost no photos of the cover online. As can be seen in my edit, notes about year (probably very old and entered by the long-gone Bluesman) are obsolete now because the year is on the title page. Also, the price was entered by Mellotronman from his copy but for a 1969 UK book the pre-decimal price should be entered so that's what I did; problem is in his note to mod in edit history he says other price is 32s, not 30. So if he's still around he may want to PV and add a note about the alternate price (I'm assuming the archived copy's flap is badly framed which is why the other price is not visible) and delete year notes and add a new one saying the date is on the title page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:31, 20 January 2024 (EST)
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:It doesn't help that two different printings share the same ISBN. Mine says 1970 on the front of the title page and 'second impression 1970' on the back of the same page. The price is most definitely listed on the dust jacket as '32s', an unusual way of writing 'shillings'. The more usual way would be '32/-'. Perhaps the first impression was 30s and the second 32? [[User:Mellotronman|Mellotronman]] ([[User talk:Mellotronman|talk]]) 16:55, 20 January 2024 (EST)
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::OK, I think it makes sense now, copy on Archive.org is '69 1st pr. with just s-price while your 1970 2nd pr. has both s-price and pounds. So after my edit is approved you may want to clone it and enter yours with new date and prices and PV it, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:07, 20 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== The Witch Book ==
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== Tom Palmer ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672915; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672916; If anyone owns a copy or knows where one can be seen online most of the page numbers need entering and author/title verification is needed for most of the stories; also, I replaced the cover because new cover has the price sticker or whatever it is on the top corner but it's not a great image so if anyone can replace it with a better one with that sticker after my edits are approved that would be great. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:13, 23 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?98449; 2 or 3 different Palmers here; novels are by the guy pictured but the art credits are by the recently deceased (2022) famous comic artist who had a still-online site, tompalmerillustration, and a Wiki page as Tom Palmer (comics); the poem, judging by the bio at the archived Aphelion link, is by another likely American Palmer. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:58, 20 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Macbeth ==
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== Lone Star Law ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?582305; Macbeth link leads to B. Coville version published many years after J. Blackburn review. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:53, 23 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?80404; Anyone think this should be deleted? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:34, 21 January 2024 (EST)
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:I've asked a verifier of a pub containing the review if they would check. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:08, 27 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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::I've re-pointed the review to the correct title.  Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:59, 27 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Alex Ebel ==
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: The Note field says:
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:* Western story anthology. It may have some spec-fic stories, but otherwise, there's no reason for it to be in the database.
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: Have we been able to find this anthology's table of contents and determine whether any of the stories are SF? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:23, 24 January 2024 (EST)
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::I was able to look at the ToC via the Amazon Look Inside feature for the pb edition (ISBN 978-1982153069) and I don't see anything there that looks like SF. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:38, 24 January 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25577; Short story isn't by the artist who died years before it was published but this person, https://sites.google.com/view/alexsebel. The archived story link seems missing, however, so it's possible story header says "Alex S. Ebel" since that's the name in his site's URL. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:02, 24 May 2023 (EDT)
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::: Reading the editor's introductions to each story I noticed that two stories were called "eerie". After reading them, I can confirm that one is an unambiguous ghost story while the other one is an ambiguous "curse" story. I have added them to the publication record and updated Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:13, 24 January 2024 (EST)
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:Author separated from artist. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:56, 27 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Bruce Campbell Biography ==
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== Recording plagiarized work ==
  
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5662375 this submission] to add what looks like a biography of the actor Bruce Campbell.  I see that we have an earlier {{T|103703|biography}} already in the database, but it appears that it was added by virtue of being nominated for Stoker and IHG awards.  My sense is that the new book would not be in our scope, but I wanted to put the question out to the community first. Thoughts?  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:57, 24 May 2023 (EDT)
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A couple of days ago [https://file770.com/pixel-scroll-1-19-24-all-these-pixels-are-someone-elses-fault/ File 770 reported] (item 5) that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3221864 "After the Flood" by John Kucera] was plagiarised from another author.  I've added a note to that title record, but I'm wondering whether anything else should be done, e.g. making it a variant? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 01:36, 22 January 2024 (EST)
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: Out of scope I think. A biography of an author is arguably eligible (as it will talk about some of the books after all). This one seems to be one additional step removed from that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:01, 24 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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:: Back in 2020 we [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive18#Eligibility_of_NONFICTION_about_non-written_SF clarified the "Rules of Acquisition"] as follows:
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: Unless the poem uses the same wording I'd think the only thing we can do is to add notes to the title (and likely the publications the plagiat was published in). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:32, 22 January 2024 (EST)
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::* ''Included'': Published non-fiction works ''about'' speculative fiction which can be plausibly linked to ''published'' (as defined above) speculative fiction. This rule allows the inclusion of secondary bibliographies, i.e. bibliographies of bibliographies, which are two steps removed from published speculative fiction. It also allows the inclusion of non-fiction works about shared cross-media universes like "Doctor Who" and "Star Wars", but only as long as there is a plausible connection to the universe's ''published'' component. Thus a book about "Star Trek physics" can be included (because it applies to all types of media including novels) while a book about Star Trek movie outtakes and bloopers should be excluded.
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:All three of the works "by" this author that are listed on ISFDB appear to have been plagiarized. I've added notes to the title entries as well as the publication entries. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:59, 22 January 2024 (EST)
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:: Since Bruce Campbell is an actor with no published speculative fiction credits, I think his biographies should be out unless they trigger some other condition. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:18, 24 May 2023 (EDT)
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:: Thanks all! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:22, 22 January 2024 (EST)
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:::Groovy. I will cancel my edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:33, 24 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Graveyard Reader ==
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:::At some point, we should probably make them variants since (in all the reports I've read) only the title were changed by the plagiarizer. Similar to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1570478 this one]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:34, 22 January 2024 (EST)
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::::I've added the variants for the two I could figure out. Still unsure who originally wrote "[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3205023 Summer 1993]" and what the original title was. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:15, 22 January 2024 (EST)
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:::::How about this one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2951283? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:29, 22 January 2024 (EST)
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::::::Looks like it's the same guy per a Google search that brought up [https://eunoiareview.wordpress.com/2023/11/16/fanlight-and-ice/ this] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20240123001032/https://www.silverblade.net/tag/john-siepkes/ archive]), which is the same thing but under his Kucera name. Now to try to figure out who really wrote it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:06, 22 January 2024 (EST)
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::::::Some additional archive links to help us figure out all of this: [https://web.archive.org/web/20230604133528/https://thewildword.com/poetry-john-kucera/ Wild Word], [https://lothlorienpoetryjournal.blogspot.com/2024/01/john-kucera-exposed-as-serial-plagiarist.html Lothlorien Poetry Journal] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20240123004257/https://lothlorienpoetryjournal.blogspot.com/2024/01/john-kucera-exposed-as-serial-plagiarist.html archive]), [https://twitter.com/OneArtPoetry1/status/1747732242581876815 One Art Poetry on X], [https://web.archive.org/web/20230922115703/https://oneartpoetry.com/2023/09/11/two-poems-by-john-kucera/ One Art Poetry], [https://web.archive.org/web/20230530004119/https://www.fictionalcafe.com/spare-parts-poetry-by-john-kucera/ The Fictional Cafe], [https://web.archive.org/web/20240122101438/https://sparksofcalliope.com/2024/01/17/it-was-bound-to-happen-eventually/ Sparks of Calliope] (see also [https://web.archive.org/web/20240123004746/https://sparksofcalliope.com/2023/09/22/two-poems-by-john-kucera/ this page]), [https://issuu.com/newreadermagazine/docs/nrm_issue17_lowres_1_/s/16096176 New Reader Magazine] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20240123005036/https://issuu.com/newreadermagazine/docs/nrm_issue17_lowres_1_/s/16096176 archive]), [https://bsky.app/profile/wnwagner.bsky.social/post/3kj5gwyptla2o Wendy N. Wagner loves pie on BlueSky], and I'll add more later. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:31, 22 January 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?45152; I just added a link in an edit to the anthology of the same title and judging by ID it was published April or May, but story is October which is when it next appeared. So I think it should either have month changed to 00 to match the anthology or anthology month should be changed to 04 or 05 if anyone can pinpoint date and then story month changed to that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:53, 24 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?869505; Same editor entered both TP, I think, but one could probably be deleted because it has same ISBN as HC and was likely a mistake that didn't get erased, although it has cover artist and correct (?) page count unlike TP with unique ISBN. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:28, 24 May 2023 (EDT)
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The first type is fairly straightforward, but the second type is hard to catch. For example, volumes 29 and 33 in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?4950 ''Casca'' series] were retroactively removed from the series over allegations of plagiarism in April-June 2013. It happened 3-5 years after their original publication even though the Casca fandom is very active. It's not something that we, bibliographers, can realistically identify on our own.
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== Onyeama ==
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Over the last few months I have seen a number of reports of plagiarists using software to scrape Web-published stories, massage them using ChatGPT and put them on Amazon, e.g. [https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgressionFantasy/comments/18v1d5e/attention_authors_of_rr_there_has_been_a_spree_of/ this episode over the Christmas holidays]. I suspect it's going to be a pain to deal with. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:29, 24 January 2024 (EST)
  
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https://vaultofevil.proboards.com/thread/8116/dillibe-onyeama; https://openlibrary.org/search/authors?q=dillibe+onyeama; 3 novels pictured on Vault seem genre, other titles on OL possible, no copies of any book by him on Archive.org except one with the N word which likely isn't genre, so an author that somehow was never added here, anyone own any copies? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:09, 25 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Bard II ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291859; Wrong cover, it has price and ISBN of earlier printing, I can't find right cover, if anyone else can, can you upload it and replace this one? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 22 January 2024 (EST)
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:Also, The First Long Ship (or Longship on some sites) which has no cover online I can find so if it exists and someone can find it that needs uploading, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:03, 22 January 2024 (EST)
  
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I don't believe [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?205470 the author/editor S. B. Divya aka Divya Breed] is the same person as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?262086 the artist Divya Srinivasan].  Their photos - [https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/childrens/childrens-authors/article/87011-q-a-with-divya-srinivasan.html PW interview] for the artist - don't look like the same person to me, and their respective sites (sbdivya.com and pupae.com) don't make any reference to the works of the other person.  I can't see the edit history to know who to chase regarding why they were made as alternate names, maybe a moderator can take a look? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:56, 25 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Galactic Central Images ==
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: You want to talk with [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer Dirk]. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:14, 25 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: Thanks, have left a note on his page pointing here. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:33, 26 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:I agree, they are not the same person. One was born in India (the science fiction author) and the other was born and raised in the United States (the artist, per the PW article). Based on that, I've separated them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:29, 26 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: According to Wikipedia they ARE the same person: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._B._Divya#:~:text=S.%20B.%20Divya%20is%20the%20pen,%2C%20through%20April%208%2C%202022. "S. B. Divya is the pen name of Divya Srinivasan Breed"].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 17:02, 26 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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::: But Divya Srinivasan and Divya Srinivasan Breed can possibly be different people? Do we have a connection that establishes them as the same one?  [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:09, 26 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5675343; I made an edit with 3rd printing of Runtime, saw somewhere that obliquely mentioned eff-words.com, current site defaults to sbdivya.com so I added archived site which started nearly 10 years ago, it may offer old/new info removed from current site because there's nothing in archived bio about "My gender doesn’t conform to social standards" so other things may have been added/dropped over the years. There's a picture of her at the back of Runtime, also, with a short bio. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:20, 26 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Doctor Who 'nonfiction' vs Nonfiction on 'Doctor Who' ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5867682; The only other site I can find that has this cover is Camelot Books; I was going to upload it when I thought of checking Philsp and found it hiding there. Is the owner(s) of that site ever going to upgrade to HTTPS? Right-click and "open image in new tab" does show the image but it still would be better if that didn't have to be done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:43, 22 January 2024 (EST)
  
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Anyone know there are two separate series? [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?16381 The former] has well over a hundred entries (including a few subseries), [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?54805 the latter] just three titles.
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: Last I heard, the owner said that he had no plans to upgrade to HTTPS. That said, browser vendors have been making it harder to access HTTP sites, which puts pressure on site owners to upgrade. It remains to be seen how it may affect Galactic Central in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:21, 24 January 2024 (EST)
  
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The quotes around 'nonfiction' implied - to me at least - that it might be "in-universe" non-fiction like technical manuals, but it seems to me that it has just been used for anything that isn't conventional narrative fiction.
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== German Playboy ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?757; While replacing sideways Amazon cover with better straight cover for one of these books I noticed there are 8 or 9 that don't have cover credits (last book was unpublished so likely no cover exists); since most covers in the series were originally on English-language books it's likely the missing ones were, too, so if anyone can recognize the art then artists can be entered and variants can be made. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:08, 24 January 2024 (EST)
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: Looking at the history of the titles in the series, the smaller one (Nonfiction on 'Doctor Who') had been created and used by a single editor (Stonecreek) mostly moving the books from pre-existing other series (some of them later deleted, some of them still existing). You may want to ping him and see what he may have been thinking but considering that the edits are from years ago and he never bothered to do more (or to write ANY notes explaining what he was doing and what is to be used for what), that looks like something that should not have happened, especially without discussing with the community first. I think it is safe to move the 3 books back where they belong and delete the extra-series but ping him anyway in case he actually had a plan and a good explanation. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:38, 26 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: Thanks for digging.  I see from the edit histories of those three titles that there's also been "Doctor Who Reference Books" and "Doctor Who Non Fiction" in the past, so I'll wait for further feedback before making yet more changes.  (Will also see if I can wrangle anything out of wiki search w.r.t. any prior discussion.) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:49, 26 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Brian Ames Title ==
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There are a few new Japanese awards I think out to be included here, so I'll group them under one heading to make it easier than a bunch of different sections. This will also allow us to learn the names of some of the Japanese fanzines out there, and therefore be able to find information on them and add them to the database here.
 
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?119003; I added a link to a MOTA anthology over a year ago and there's a 2002 story by Brian Ames which editors before me seemed to have trouble deciding how to enter (see extensive title edit history), eventually settling on a symbol; however, in his collection someone entered the title as "grey blob", which is what it actually looks like in the anthology. So the 2 stories are the same and should be merged but what should the title be entered as? This reminds me of that David J. Schow horror story where nobody can ever decide how to enter it and eventually settled on "scribbled graffiti" or this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?76213, but at least Oates can get away with that because most of her work is pretentious "literary" stuff, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:22, 24 January 2024 (EST)
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This award (日本SFファンドム賞) was given out from 1965-1969, then replaced by the Seiun Award. We have the latter in the database, but not the former. I'll be happy to enter the information for it. There aren't too many to list, as shown [https://www.sf-fan.gr.jp/etc/fandom_award.html here] (same website/group where they host the Seiun Awards). It was given by the same group that gives out the Seiun Award, and there is only one level (no categories), so it's an uncomplicated award to enter.
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:Merged [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2148942 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:39, 24 January 2024 (EST)
  
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: Sounds pretty straightforward. If there are no objections, I will add these on Monday. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:24, 27 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Duplicate finder -- NOVEL/CHAPBOOK? ==
  
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:: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?105 Done]. Please feel free to edit the record and add a category. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:38, 1 June 2023 (EDT)
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The "Duplicate Finder" program, which exists in three incarnations -- one for Author pages, one for Title pages and one for Publication pages -- searches for potential duplicate titles and then lets you merge them. Its default mode of operations is "exact", which means that two (or more) titles need to have the exact same spelling as well as the same authors in order to be considered potential duplicates.
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:::Thanks! I'll work on them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:34, 2 June 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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The "exact" mode also ignores unlikely title type mismatches. For example, if one title record is SHORTFICTION and another one is NOVEL, they won't be flagged as potential duplicates. However, the "exact" mode currently flags NOVEL and CHAPBOOK titles with identical titles and authors as potential duplicates. I am thinking that this is likely more harmful than useful and would like to propose that we change the behavior of the "exact" mode to skip identical NOVEL/CHAPBOOK pairs. Ideas? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:35, 24 January 2024 (EST)
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This award (SFファンジン大賞) was given out between 1982 and 2003 to speculative fiction fanzines in Japan. The winners were decided by a committee that changed annually. Japanese site [https://www.sf-fan.onn.jp/184/185/ here]. It had several categories:
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:I agree. As it is currently, we could accidentally merge titles incorrectly. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:40, 24 January 2024 (EST)
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*Fanzine Grand Prize (ファンジン大賞)
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::I also agree.  --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:21, 25 January 2024 (EST)
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::: I use that one a lot especially when adding juvenile chapbooks to prolific authors (mainly Fixer's) - because of how Amazon has these, they rarely make it to addPubs and not having the duplicate finder highlight the previously entered novel (a lot of these are stored as novels and need conversion) makes it more likely not to see the other version on the page. So I would rather not lose it... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:43, 25 January 2024 (EST)
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: Looks like Layout was merged with Art in '84 and '85 before being dropped entirely? Dunno if that merits a separate category being created for those 2 years... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:51, 27 May 2023 (EDT)
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:::: Let me clarify that the Duplicate Finder's "similar" mode would continue to flag NOVEL, SHORTFICTION and CHAPBOOK titles as potential duplicates after the proposed change. Would it be sufficient for Fixer-originated use cases? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:41, 25 January 2024 (EST)
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::::: But we do not have a similar mode in the pubs/titles Duplicate finder. The one I use is the one that triggers when you click on "Check for Duplicate Titles" after a Pub/Title Edit. Which I believe is "exact". If I need to go to the author page every time to run a separate similar mode check, it will add steps. Plus in some of these authors, it will highlight a lot of things which is different from the current case where it is a quick check that finds usually a single match when it does. I can make it work - but it will add to the workflow. One option may be to allow the similar as an option on pub/title duplicate finder - keep the exact as a default but allow a similar to be run with a click how we do it on author page's find duplicates? A separate click which is right there will help.
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::::: And this is not just for Fixer usecases - I've needed it when moderating as well often enough in a similar usecase - we have chapbook/novel and a new(ish) member adds the same as the other.  
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::::: If the proposal is to remove it from the 'Author' exact duplicate finder only with no change for the pub/title duplicate finder, then I am fine with removing it there. But the way the proposal reads, it sounds like we are not going to show it in the default mode in either :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:45, 26 January 2024 (EST)
  
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:: A new award type [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?106 has been created]. Please feel free to create award categories. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:41, 1 June 2023 (EDT)
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:::::: Thanks for the clarification. I forgot about the fact that the versions of the Duplicate Finder software used on Publication and Title pages do not support "similar" and "aggressive" modes. If memory serves, the reason was performance -- there can be thousands of titles with "similar" spellings where "similar" is defined as an 85% overlap, the current threshold value.
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:::Thanks! I'll work on them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:34, 2 June 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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:::::: It sounds like what we may need is a new Duplicate Finder mode. Something that would be the same as the "exact" mode except that it would also flag identical CHAPBOOK/NOVEL title pairs. It would be made available on all three Duplicate Finder pages.
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This award (柴野拓美賞) was given at the same time as the SF Fanzine Award, but was judged solely by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?23499 Takumi Shibano]. It was a single award given out each year (though a few times people shared the award in a single year). [https://www.sf-fan.onn.jp/184/185/ Same site] as above. It's considered a separate award from the SF Fanzine Awards rather than a category under that award.
 
  
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I'll be happy to add these. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:57, 26 May 2023 (EDT)
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:::::: If it sounds workable, I can look into what it would take to implement it. I suspect that it should be a fairly straightforward change, but I am not 100% sure. We'll also need to come up with an intuitive name for the new mode. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:11, 26 January 2024 (EST)
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::::::: That will work for me. And if you are going to do it, we may think about throwing an anthology/collection/omnibus format mix in the same mode (same usecase essentially - especially around juveniles and novellas previously added as novels). And even poem/shortfiction? Maybe simply pull all the format discrepancy matches out from Exact (requiring a format match in it) and move them to their own type of duplicate finder mode. That will also make it less likely for someone to merge by mistake based on the standard duplicate find.[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:27, 26 January 2024 (EST)
  
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: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?107 Done]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:46, 1 June 2023 (EDT)
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:::::::: You could have "type" be an independent modifier applied to any of the three modes. Something like "Match identical types only", on by default. That would also be easy to extend to other criteria (e.g., language) in the future without having a cross product of mode choices. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:26, 26 January 2024 (EST)
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::Thanks! I'll work on them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:34, 2 June 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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::::::::: Good point! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:43, 26 January 2024 (EST)
  
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The last banner art that I uploaded was in 2009. The first banner art was put together in 2007 on a glass CRT with VGA resolution (640x480 pixels), and the last one was done on my first LCD display with DVI resolution (1920x1200 pixels). The banners are 90x900 pixels, which was about 40% wider than the VGA screen, and about 50% of the DVI screen, which seemed like a pretty substantial size at the time. My current display is 5120x2880, so a banner is now about 3/4 inch tall, and pretty difficult to see any detail. So a few things:
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(unindent) After experimenting on the development server and paying closer attention when working on the Clean Authors cleanup, I think I have a better appreciation for Annie's concerns. At this point clicking "Check for Duplicate Titles" post-approval is second nature for moderators and self-approvers. When a submission adds a NOVEL publication, it's very helpful to know that a CHAPBOOK pub with the same title already exists in the database, especially if the submitter is a robot. Requiring the approving moderator to click yet another link/button would mess with the workflow.
  
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1. I've been upscaling the banners using an AI tool. I'm running them on isfdb2.org at 180x1800, which seems to be a pretty good match for my current browser width. They are pretty good, but not perfect (especially some of the smaller lettering) but my 2009-era computer doesn't turn on any more, so the original photoshop files may be lost.
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I suppose we could change the Duplicate Finder logic to ignore CHAPBOOK/NOVEL duplicates by default, but display a yellow warning -- and a link to the more relaxed version of the Duplicate Finder -- if they exist. I am not sure it would be ideal, though. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:34, 31 January 2024 (EST)
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: As long as it is a link and not a need to go elsewhere or to go to the author level, that will work for me.  
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: I'd also want to ask for the anthology/collection/omnibus and the poem/short fiction checks to be added to the chapbook/novel both for the yellow warning and the more relaxed one - both of these happen often enough to be annoying if we lose the ability to see them on the duplicate finder. Unless the plan is to leave these into the default one - in which case, we are fine. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:45, 31 January 2024 (EST)
  
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2. In 2020 Ahasuerus put a notice on the [[Banner Art Credits]] page to post new images here. I have been working with Generative AI at work, so I thought I would apply some of that to generating a new banner art candidate. It's artwork from a 1950s-era magazine that never existed on our timeline - let's call it "Interplanetary Stories". All the images were created by DALL-E, with prompts to push it towards an early 1950s artwork style. Obviously, it is copyright free. (The version of the banner displayed below is smaller than 90x900, in order to meet the 200kB size limit of the wiki. See the 180x1800 size version here: [https://www.isfdb2.org/IsfdbBanner13.jpg])
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:: After thinking some more about this issue, it occurs to me that there may be another way to approach this issue. Currently, most post-approval Web pages display links that let you view/edit the updated/added record or, for some submission types like Make Variant, multiple records. A few post-submission pages also link to the Duplicate Finder or other pages.
  
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:: However, there is nothing preventing the post-approval software from quietly checking the status of the added/updated record(s) and displaying appropriate warnings. For example, the post-approval page for NewPubs could run the Duplicate Finder behind the scenes and then display a message like:
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:: This warning message would be easy to implement and moderators would no longer have to worry about forgetting to click "Duplicate Finder" after approving NewPub submissions. Does this sound useful?
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:: If we choose to add this warning message, we could still decide to tweak the Duplicate Finder logic later, but I think the message should be implemented first since it changes the workflow. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:53, 2 February 2024 (EST)
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::: That will be useful -- I am not sure how many false alerts will show up and how they will be treated (especially from the less experienced moderating users - usually the self-approvers) but other from that, any checks the software can do for me are always welcome. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:08, 6 February 2024 (EST)
  
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:::: OK, {{FR|1592}}, "Warning after approving NewPub submissions which create potential duplicates", has been created. We'll see how useful it will be. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:48, 6 February 2024 (EST)
  
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=== Duplicate Finder enhancements -- Outcome ===
  
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{{FR|1592}} has been implemented. After approving NewPub/AddPub/ClonePub/EditPub submissions, moderators and self-approvers will now see a yellow warning and a link to the Duplicate Finder if the created/affected publication record contains one (or more) title records which have the same title(s) and author(s) as other title records in the database. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:58, 8 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22737; I added a whole bunch of edits for Rosemary Harris books and also found a PDF link for her early uncollected story "Hamlin" at Galactic Journey. Looking through their list of PDF's I noticed a Swann link and, thinking it would be a short story, I clicked it and it turned out to be the full original edition of his novel Moondust which has no copies at the usual places like Internet Archive or Luminist. I'm guessing there's more novels hiding in that list but for now I'll just ask if anyone owns the book and wouldn't mind transcribing the text on the last 2 pages and adding it to the record because those are missing in the PDF. I'm not sure what copyright rules are for a 50+-year-old book but I think a page or two would count as an excerpt and wouldn't bother anyone, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:43, 25 January 2024 (EST)
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:That can get complicated. Since this was first published in 1968 in the United States, and if it was published with a copyright notice, the copyright expires at the end of 2063 (meaning it becomes public domain on January 1, 2064). If it was published without a copyright notice, since it was published between 1964 and 1977, it is now in the public domain. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Public_domain#When_does_copyright_expire? here] for more details. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:27, 25 January 2024 (EST)
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:Looking at the PDF copy from the link you submitted, the copyright notice is very clear on the back of the title page. This means the copyright doesn't expire until 2064, so we shouldn't be linking to a pirated PDF copy. I rejected the link addition. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:30, 25 January 2024 (EST)
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::So does that mean that all the 330 or so Luminist.org PDF's currently linked on ISFDB are pirated, too? Because I don't think most of those are public domain; I would know because I'm the one who added most of the links. Has any mod in the history of this site ever gotten a request from anyone to remove a Luminist PDF? I'd be curious to know. When someone pirates something and uploads it, they love to add their name, fake as it may be, to the upload, similar to how computer game crackers decades ago loved to add their names to the crack, usually with some animation and music (which were sometimes better than those in the game itself); believe me, I could easily add hundreds of Internet Archive links to rare books right now except for the fact that the uploaders converted them to crap e-editions with removed page numbers. I don't see anything like that in Moondust so it's likely someone's personal copy they converted to a PDF; it's clearly the original paperback with page numbers and a bookstore sticker on the cover and everything. Since Swann died in 1976 and the last reprint as far as ISFDB (and WorldCat) say was in 1977 I doubt anyone would care if a PDF was linked to here; any serious collector would want a physical copy. My suggestion would be to un-reject it. Barring that, I'll just go ahead and make a note with the address of the PDF but not hot-linked so people know where it is but actually have to paste the URL into the address bar themselves in order to get it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:47, 25 January 2024 (EST)
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:::This guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?286234, runs the site. Looks legit to me; he even published a magazine of the same title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:08, 25 January 2024 (EST)
  
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::::* This collection may contain copyrighted material which has not been specifically authorized for our use. The copyright law of the United States (Title 17, United States Code) provides for making “fair use” copies of copyrighted materials under certain conditions, including that that the reproduction is not to be used commercially or “for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research.” By accessing files linked to this site you are agreeing to abide by these restrictions. If you do not agree, do not download. If any copyright owner objects to our inclusion of their material on this web site, please do not harass our hosting providers; just contact us with the pertinent information. We will remove contested content promptly upon receipt of legitimate requests. Readers who wish to obtain a permanent copy of any item are encouraged to acquire one from a bookseller of their choice. Readers may contact us for assistance in locating copies for purchase.
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:::: I see that they expect their users to download PDF files for "private study, scholarship, or research" purposes and, apparently, not for permanent use. This relies on an interpretation of the [https://copyright.columbia.edu/basics/fair-use.html "fair use" doctrine] which seems a bit too stretchy to me, but I am not an expert in the field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:09, 25 January 2024 (EST)
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:::::OK, sounds good to me, "private study" clearly can mean reading the book and since they're being linked at ISFDB that covers the scholarship/research part. Also, what I took to be a Galactic Journey magazine is just a few random pages from the webzine with a couple of essay links, 1 of which is movie-related and probably doesn't qualify, but there's some Hugo Award nomination so I guess they count; the first entry is totally blank and was actually entered by user "galacticjourney" himself with mods questioning on his page why he entered it since it's a webzine. The site is still running currently and has hundreds of essays, many of which would be suitable for entry here, I'm sure. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:25, 25 January 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?274235; https://archive.org/details/weirdromancetwoo0000menk; PV doesn't respond to much these days, so does anyone know why ISBN is different? Did Samuel French release different editions? Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58584, where someone added a link but according to a note on the Archive.org page Brennert's story "The Second Soul" was removed at his request and seems it was never reprinted in print, so maybe someone knows some shadowy ancient archived SF site or something where they reprinted it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:46, 27 May 2023 (EDT)
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:::::: Let me clarify what I meant by "a bit too stretchy". The part of the Copyright Law that they cite -- "for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research" -- doesn't come from the "fair use" clause ([https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 Section 107 of the Copyright Act].) Instead it comes from [https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#108 Section 108, "Reproduction by libraries and archives"]. Section 108 is a lengthy section with a set of provisions that are completely different from the "fair use" provisions in Section 107. It's odd that the Luminist Web site cites Section 108 ("libraries and archives") language to support what they state is a Section 107 ("fair use") exception.
  
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== German Pfister ==
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:::::: I should add that both Section 107 and Section 108 lawsuits can get complex and technical as we saw during [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachette_v._Internet_Archive Hachette v. Internet Archive] in 2020-2023. My knowledge of these topics is very limited, but hopefully other editors may have more in-depth knowledge and/or relevant experience in this field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:38, 25 January 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=pfister&type=Name; Last 2 authors are likely the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2023 (EDT)
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::::::: I have started a [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Linking_to_third_party_Web_pages_--_defining_.22legally_posted.22 Rules and Standards discussion] to see if we can come up with unambiguous rules for linking to third party-hosted texts. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:50, 26 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Charnas Stories ==
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== Reactor?!? ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?273; A couple of questions about her stories. "Oak and Ash" was published in a 1992 issue of Pulphouse Magazine which nobody's going to have, I'm sure, but it was reprinted in a shady sex anthology in 2001, Sextopia. I can't get any info about that, so maybe someone will admit to having it. Also, "Land of Lost Content" is in 1998's Streets of Blood, one of a million Martin H. Greenberg anthologies, as original but online info suggests it's Chapter 2 of her 1980 novel The Vampire Tapestry. No copies of the anthology, either (there's a 15-photo copy on eBay but the seller seemed more interested in showing the covers from every angle instead of taking a clear photo of the acknowledgments page), so if anyone owns a copy maybe it mentions this so a note can be added here about it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:41, 29 May 2023 (EDT)
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I was at my awful local public library printing out various articles and short stories for free which is the only positive thing about libraries these days and after my hour was up I realized I forgot to check Tor.com to see if they published any new fiction (horror only, please, no SF or fantasy) so I checked when I got home and got a scary-looking page which made me think a computer virus had finally taken hold of my laptop after not having one for many years but it turns out that Tor apparently has re-named themselves Reactor. Is anyone else aware of this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:08, 26 January 2024 (EST)
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: Yes, they announced it a few weeks ago. New site, new name (to differentiate them from the Tor.com publisher), same team, same contents. All the old links to their old site should be forwarding cleanly to the new one. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:30, 26 January 2024 (EST)
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: And the [https://reactormag.com/tor-com-to-become-reactor-debut-new-site-on-january-23rd/ announcement] and [https://reactormag.com/answering-your-questions-about-tor-coms-change-to-reactor/ Q&A] about it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 26 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== A Wrinkle in Time Cover Art ==
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:: I suspect that the part of the FAQ that is most likely to affect us is this:
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::* SFF literature is still the heart of what we do, and that’s our priority. We’ll just also be open to related subjects of interest, from nonfic to romantasy, pirates to gardening, and so on.
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:: So it looks like they will have more non-genre content going forward, but they expect to remain primarily SF-oriented for the foreseeable future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:23, 26 January 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1079586; It's unlikely that the 1976 date is correct because the artist's next credit is 1990. I think there's some confusion with this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?581503, which has similar art. EDIT: This page, https://www.tor.com/2023/05/25/can-you-solve-the-classic-wrinkle-in-time-cover-mystery/, doesn't mention John Berkey who did other 1976 Dell covers, but this page, http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:nmFZMfSDiAMJ:https://70sscifiart.tumblr.com/post/179261051240/john-berkey&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1&vwsrc=0, says he did it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:56, 30 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Chinese Godzilla? ==
  
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== Self-nomination for self-approver - Philfreund ==
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https://archive.org/search?query=%E6%80%AA%E7%8D%A3%E3%82%B4%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A9&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; If anyone knows what this is about and decides it warrants entering, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:18, 29 January 2024 (EST)
  
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I would like to nominate myself to be a self-approver. If that's granted, I'll be certain to continue to ask for help if I'm uncertain as to the best approach to take. Granting me this will likely shorten the submission queue significantly since I'm entering a lot of ClonePub submissions on a daily basis, mainly for audiobooks and audio/MP3 CDs. Thanks for your consideration. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 13:56, 30 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Magic German Cats ==
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: Support. Had not seen too many hiccups with Phil's submissions in the last months and he had shown a willingness to seek and listen to advice (and remember it for future submissions). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:53, 30 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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: Support, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:03, 30 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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: Support[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 00:11, 1 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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: Support.  No complaints! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:27, 1 June 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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=== Outcome ===
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?33710; There was a 1999 German edition under a new title, https://archive.org/details/katmagie13katten0000unse, in case anyone fluent wants to enter that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:02, 30 January 2024 (EST)
  
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Self-approver flag has been set on the account. Congratulations! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:01, 5 June 2023 (EDT)
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== ZOLTAR ==
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:Thanks everyone! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:32, 5 June 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== K. Sano ==
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_verifier&O_2=exact&TERM_2=Zoltar&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; Polish primary verifier seemed to be very active in 2012 and then nothing, they left a lot of their 300+ PV unfinished with missing info, mentioning this in case anyone fluent in Polish wants to follow up on any of them and add or fix anything. I thought of this before but remembered it today after finding a photo for Jerzy Sosnowski on FantLab and an archived copy of the anthology PL +50 which his story on ISFDB appears in. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:45, 30 January 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=iko+sano&type=Name; Kazumiko only has 1 credit; may be the same as Kazuhiko. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:49, 30 May 2023 (EDT)
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== verification email  ==
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:It's definitely an unusual name (Kazumiko). However, that credit was a decade prior to anything by Kazuhiko, and as [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/hiller_b_b SFE] and [https://gamebooks.org/Item/2764/Show others] also list the credit as "Kazumiko", I think we should stick with things as they currently are. It's possible it's a typo, but it could also be a rare name. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:05, 31 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Bad Poetry ==
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I have tried several times to elicit a verification email but nothing has arrived. I've checked junk & trash as well. Is this simply not working? {{unsigned|Starman99}}
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11176; https://ibecomethebeast.com/autumn-2023/; The poem by John Grey, "Man/Beast", was published in an old 1998 issue of Jack Fisher's Flesh & Blood as "Man-Beast". The other Grey poems may qualify vaguely as genre so if anyone thinks it's worth entering this magazine for that I'm just mentioning it. Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?21876, where I believe the essay is correct but the poems should be with John Grey since John Gray is an alternate name for him. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:58, 31 May 2023 (EDT)
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: I am afraid this is a common occurrence, which we [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#What_if_I_don.27t_receive_the_confirmation_email.3F discuss in the ISFDB FAQ]:
  
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== Portuguese titles capitalisation / rationalisation ==
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:* Different email servers have different automated rules which may block email coming from certain Web sites, which makes it hard to tell what's preventing ISFDB confirmation email from being delivered to your mailbox.
  
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For anyone with an interest in Portuguese titling, please take a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Portuguese_titles_capitalisation_.2F_rationalisation this discussion]. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:00, 31 May 2023 (EDT)
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:* Note, however, that confirmation emails are optional as far as ISFDB is concerned. As long as you can log in, you have full access to all ISFDB features including Advanced Search, display preferences, submission creation etc.
  
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== Sexpunks BC ==
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: Since you were able to post the message above, you should be all set :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:11, 30 January 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29722; I and another editor have been doing a few edits for early 90s Spine-Tingling Press cassettes (at least 2, by Kristine Kathryn Rusch and Matthew Costello, are MIA) and there are some annoying details but this one I think someone can answer. A note, likely written by me some time ago since it's in my particular style, mentions that Mark Molnar did the back cover for a book that almost certainly never would have been published if the author didn't run the company, Sexpunks & Savage Sagas. Is it possible the artist is this man, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?263913? From the back of a book of "erotic" stories by an obscure publisher to doing a cover for an edition of Dune, one of the most famous SF books of all time, from an expensive specialty publisher? Can it be true? Also see this thread, https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Monsters:_Three_Tales, in case anyone has anything helpful to say about those issues. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:52, 31 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Ace Dates ==
  
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== Ace Earth Abides ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5872024; Can someone on the long list of editors find out where someone got month from? Whoever entered many of these old PB long ago was very random about noting where they got the month, but I remember it was a checklist or something so that's likely where this one came from, too. I thought it would be obvious why I added the month since it's there throughout the contents but I guess not. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:27, 30 January 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5679463; Any of the many active PV think this should be by Ace Star since it does say that on cover and copyright page? ISFDB has 31 "Ace Star" books and 4 "Ace Star / Ace Books" books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:02, 31 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Berthon ==
  
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== Barrington J. Bayley ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=theodore+le&type=Name; Space in first entry separates same essay from its appearances elsewhere; no essay title page I can find but I did see a contents page of Frankenstein File that says, um, Ted Le Berthon, https://www.ebay.com/itm/334647759422. So, if anyone can verify, a merge or variant will be needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:08, 31 January 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5679804; I added a new link; story text is different than old link on Weird Fiction Review. Were Bayley's stories revised for his collection? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:43, 1 June 2023 (EDT)
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== I'm looking for a book title ==
  
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== German Ghost Book ==
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Hello everyone,
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I'm looking for a book title. I read the book years ago probably in the 80s. A quick summary the world is divided by a massive mountain range. I think that the protagonist must climb the mountain range in order to become the ruler. They climb the mountain only to find a deep valley on the other side with an even higher mountain range behind it. The protagonist ultimately climbs the second mountain range where they find another land on the far side with another intelligent species. This has been driving me batty and I would appreciate it if anyone knows what this books title is and who wrote it. Thank you. {{Unsigned2|19:21, February 1, 2024‎| Firefighterbgrg }}
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:If no one here is able to help you, we have a [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book|section in our FAQ]] that gives several places where you can ask for help finding the book. Good luck! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:15, 2 February 2024 (EST)
  
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[https://archive.org/search?query=cynthia+asquith&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22&and%5B%5D=language%3A%22German%22]; Link to the German edition of 1950s anthology The Second Ghost Book from 1971, I think, in case anyone wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:20, 1 June 2023 (EDT)
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== Darrah Chavey ==
  
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== Grand Canyon Artists ==
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I learn via [https://news.ansible.uk/a439.html Ansible] today that Darrah Chavey left this mortal coil on 6 January. He was always a learned and consistent editor to work alongside at the ISFDB... Happy trails Darrah, Rest In Peace. :( [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 10:39, 2 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347049; I have 2 edits, adding cover image (from SFE) to Brit edition and price to American edition (also fixed author's name because it's the same in both editions and there really was never a variant); however, there are signatures on both covers. Brit, lower right, looks like 2 initials followed by Lupton, while American, lower right, has KW. Artists for other books by the publishers on ISFDB don't match up to either so if anyone can find out more reply here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:38, 2 June 2023 (EDT)
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: Yes, indeed. There was a brief [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Darrah_Chavey.27s_Passing Community Portal discussion on 2024-01-11] and Darrah's database record was updated. RIP. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:01, 2 February 2024 (EST)
  
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== Costello's Vacation ==
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== Gardner F. Fox's text story in "Strange Adventures" ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1309571; MLB PV a transient copy of HC which has author's name wrong, Google Books copy says there's no J., TP uploaded in 2021 is raggedy and has no title or copyright page but also has no J. on cover, supposedly CD edition has no J., so as usual there's not really a variant name and they're all by Matthew Costello, no J., in case anyone can see TP title page which would clinch it and then HC and TP can be changed to no J. and variant deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:08, 2 June 2023 (EDT)
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Earlier today a Usenet poster pointed out that {{A|Gardner F. Fox}} published "The Magic Maker of Rann", a text story, in the comic ''Strange Adventures'' #226. The story is lavishly illustrated, but the text works just fine even if you were to reprint it without illustrations, which is how we determine whether a story is "graphic".
  
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The whole thing is available [https://thedorkreview.blogspot.com/2012/01/adam-stranges-magic-maker-of-rann.html online], illustrations included. Should we treat ''Strange Adventures'' as a non-genre periodical and list this story? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:32, 2 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42064; https://archive.org/search?query=horseman+hubble%27s&sort=-addeddate; I entered Archive.org link, fixed page count, and added cover artist in a pending edit to the American edition of Hubbles' Treasure Hunt and while doing so saw that book linked above which is a 1971 (?) translation of Hubble's Bubble, in case anyone wants to enter that. The publisher, Union Verlag Stuttgart, seems to have no books on ISFDB, but I'm guessing there are probably some that should be; 31 hits on Archive.org including another kid's book, Golden-Eye, that looks promising and a title with Hexen in it which I think means "witch" so that's a possibility, too. Ignore the Hans Holzer psychic photography "non-fiction" book which is in English but likely was published in German first by that publisher. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:50, 5 June 2023 (EDT)
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:I've entered a number of Eando Binder stories from the {{Series|Lieutenant Jon Jarl of the Space Patrol}} series that originally appeared in {{Series|Captain Marvel Adventures}} comic, and I entered them in exactly the manner you suggest. I believe some of these stories have been reprinted as text alone, so I felt I was on pretty safe ground. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:43, 2 February 2024 (EST)
  
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== Lost Ark Storybook ==
  
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I suspect Gateway as imprint (or even publisher?) is coming to us from Amazon into Fixer, but Gateway is only a marketing website set up by Gollancz. This is noted on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Gollancz_Ltd this page] under the sub-heading "SF Gateway website", and with more detail here [https://www.gollancz.co.uk/category/sf-gateway/ Gollancz] and here [https://www.sfgateway.com/ sfgateway]. If it's agreed, could we have a Fixer tweak so that pubs/ebooks coming onto the DB start out as imprint/publisher Gollancz / Orion? See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?9 this example] of the disparity. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:04, 5 June 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5880702; ISBN belongs to Scholastic edition judging by a back cover I saw online. There's a later (3rd) trade printing on Archive.org with trade and library ISBN on the copyright page so either this record should be made Scholastic or a new record created for Random House edition(s). I've been adding dozens of Wikipedia links to novelizations recently and I've come across some other issues like this (only one I can remember is Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade by Anne Digby which has pub. series as Hippo Books but that actually belongs to the UK edition which I made a new record for) so when these are approved a check and some fixing/adding is probably needed for at least a few of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:50, 3 February 2024 (EST)
  
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== Rise of the Silver Surfer ==
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== Picazo Format ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346021; I made an edit fixing typo "udpated" to "updated", surprisingly the only such error on all of ISFDB, and realized that this edition was likely never published with AbeBooks having a weird "cover to be unveiled" photo. So unless someone can find evidence of a copy I think this should get the unpublished date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:30, 3 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672945; All the 25+ Marte XXI series books are TP so I changed the final one to the same, mod says a site he checked disagrees, I doubt they changed format for one book so Linguist, who seems to be in edit history for most of these books, or someone can possibly say what it really is and hopefully my edit can be un-rejected, although the fact that page count is much higher for the last book and cover artist is different than all others points to a slight possibility that maybe they got fancy when they knew the series was coming to an end and jacked up the size. I also note that only a few have prices and 2 are missing cover artists in case anyone can fill in that missing info. I was pretty surprised to see that none are PV, unusual for old SF series on this site. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:08, 6 June 2023 (EDT)
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== Parnassus Wizard of Earthsea ==
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: Did you look at the cited sources? All three agree the size is 18cm x 11cm. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:07, 6 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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::As you say, but since none are PV I wonder if they really changed format for the last in the series or whether some or all of the earlier ones should be TP, too. In this case I wonder if those sources confused this particular edition with its earlier '62 Fleuve Noir PB; there's a note in the previous book's record about confusion between Picazo and Fleuve Noir. Also, another Picazo series here has 4 Asimov books with 1 having an unknown format, so maybe someone knows that, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:37, 6 June 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Todd Ritter = Alan Finn = Riley Sager ==
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https://archive.org/details/wizardofearthsea00ursu; I added a link to a Parnassus edition based on someone's extensive notes here (no number line or smudge on title page) but there are some editions of this book only linked from Open Library including the one above which has a price much higher than any other book from the publisher on ISFDB but copyright page has same info as 1969 2nd printing so if anyone knows a way to determine the date a new edition can be added. There's an ancient ISFDB bibliography from 2006 by Ahasuerus, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Author:Ursula_K._Le_Guin, which could probably use some updating unless it's been updated somewhere else. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:08, 4 February 2024 (EST)
  
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Currently author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?191380 Todd Ritter] has the alternate name [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?209069 Alan Finn], with one shortfiction for the former and a novel for the latter.
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riley_Sager Wikipedia] informs me that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?313188 Riley Sager] is another pseudonym.  That author currently has 2 novels in the database - both of which have title notes explaining that their eligibility here isn't 100% certain - and the aforelinked Wikipedia page indicates the Sager alias is the most profilic and current one.
 
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Any preferences to which one should be the primary?  I'm slightly inclined towards Sager, but happy to go with any consensus. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:41, 6 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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: How many of the Sager novels are genre? It won't matter that he uses that for most of his thrillers if they are not genre. I am leaning towards Ritter quite honestly (when the numbers are about the same, I'd go with the legal name or the currently used name) - unless we have enough Sager novels to balance it that way a lot more. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:47, 6 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: No idea - he wasn't on my radar at all, until I skimmed through the forthcoming list and saw there was one out today.  I've glanced through the blurbs on his site, and of the 7 novels, if we take away the two already in the database, only one looks like it might possibly be relevant here, and TBH it feels like it's more gothic than supernatural.  I looked at a couple of them on GR, and saw no mention of speculative elements, so I think it's just the two we already have.
 
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:: I don't mind keeping Ritter as the primary, as I guess that'll be slightly less work (no need to redo the Finn author alternate)?  [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:12, 6 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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::: The gothic ones always get me - it is very hard to sort out which one belongs if you do not read it. We can always reverse the direction if need be. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:21, 6 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::: I have 2 pending edits adding Archive.org links to the print editions of his novel and also fixed their page counts; also have an edit for the author adding Wikipedia link and his Amazon photo. There is almost no mention of his short story online; I hope someone can find that somewhere someday and add a link. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:41, 7 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Broken Fantascienza Author Image ==
 
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https://www.fantascienza.com/catalogo/autori/NILF17713/james-lovegrove/; I made a couple of edits for James Lovegrove books and then decided to replace his B&W image with 1 of 2 nice color images on FantLab; I like to add unique images and since Open Library has none and Fantastic Fiction uses the same image as Amazon that leaves Fantascienza, but unusually the image is broken. Anyone know how to find out what it is/was so I don't use the same image from FantLab, assuming there is a match with one of them? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:57, 7 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Neely ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1096598; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5685960; As can be seen in my edit I changed the publisher name; I think the 1906 edition may be a date error (there's no edit history) and can probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:37, 7 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Clarkesworld ==
 
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We had a conversation about this one a few times and it never went anywhere so let's try again. We have two separate series for the magazine:
 
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In addition, the 2022 issues are entered with different editors in both: just Clarke in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3087880 ebooks] and Kate Baker, Neil Clarke, Sean Wallace on the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3014672 print issues]. The magazines are essentially the same and even if they had some extra content, that had not stopped us using a single series elsewhere. I propose to merge the two series and to clear up the editors. Based on the masthead, I favor the 3 editors vs just Clarke but it can be interpreted either way. Any objections to the merge and any thoughts on the list of editors? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:52, 7 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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: Agree 100% with merging the two series. My choice is to credit the Editor-in-Chief, but I have no objection to crediting all three. Some of the publication records could also use some cleanup. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:03, 7 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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::I've no concerns with combining the series.  I too feel that we should go with a single editor.  I had previously thought our policy was to go with the Editor-in-Chief when multiple types of editors are listed, but the last time I researched that I couldn't find it documented.  I'd go with the Editor-in-Chief.  I will note that neither Miller/Contento nor Locus1 list an edition.  FictionMags doesn't for the early issues, and lists Sean Wallace for the most recent ones.  He is also listed on Galactic Central.  For the single issue for which I have a hard copy, Kate Baker is credited as Non-Fiction Editor/Podcast Director which seems a little attenuated to me.  I'd like to avoid getting into a situation like the semiprozine Hugo nominations for [https://file770.com/2022-hugo-award-finalists/ Strange Horizons].  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:02, 7 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Yellow Peril ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?287140; I added Archive.org link to PB and saw LCCN says 383 for HC which is much higher than what's on ISFDB; does anyone own a copy who can correct page count if necessary? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:25, 7 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Times Mirror ==
 
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After coming across countless NEL books that say "Times Mirror" on title page I realized it wasn't a co-publisher or imprint but just distributor or parent company or something similar and shouldn't actually be entered here as part of the publisher name; I removed the ones I had changed to New English Library / Times Mirror a while back (thank goodness there were only 4) but this one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5447529, was not done by me. I suspect I must have seen this and followed along blindly. The note is not by me, I just added Archive.org link, but notes in a couple of the other records are written similarly so I probably just cut-and-pasted this original note. So if anyone (I think 1 PV, Spacecow, is still sort of active) wants to make publisher of this one just New English Library that's up to them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:02, 8 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Rest In Agony ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828278; I replaced Younger's Pharaoh book cover and uploaded new cover for this book from Bookscans; ID doesn't match what's on the cover. I don't know who's responsible for that, MLB who uploaded the old cover, RTrace who secondary verified stuff, Rosa, anybody else that worked on this, so someone may want to decide what to do about that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:16, 8 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Magic Ring ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1135737; The Valancourt TP was just upped on Archive.org, I made an edit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5687545, but there's problems. Someone named ElectricStarboard was the last one to edit the HC and seems to have altered the title. Judging by their page and the fact that almost every message is about how they fixed or merged or did other stuff incorrectly I'm guessing that the HC should also have the subtitle; if it does, and assuming the Sturgis intro is just the TP intro ported over verbatim, then TP intro I entered and HC intro can be merged. I'm pretty sure, being a deluxe edition, the HC would also have the short story "Field of Terror" that as of now is only in the TP. Whenever there's a "data from Amazon" note that usually means page count is wrong and I fixed it for the TP but even though HC also says the same in the note judging from online info that page count may be correct, although almost certainly Roman numerals would need to be added to it for all the essays and other stuff at the beginning. Does anyone own the HC? That would be very helpful. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:45, 8 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Ah, Sweet Mystery of Life ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5687723; ISFDB has a 1989 edition which is barebones, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37485, and the Knopf edition I edited says original was by Michael Joseph in 1989 so I assume that's what it should be here. Surprisingly, only 2 editions are on Archive.org, Knopf and a 14th (?) printing of 1990 Penguin with a cover from some completely different book by another author for some reason. I assume the preface I entered comes from the 1989 edition so if anyone has it and enters it the preface can be re-dated and merged. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:16, 9 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Archives of Haven ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20178; Notes in other 2 books in the series about getting Corgi Joe Petagno cover credits from R. Holdstock's Encyclopedia of Science Fiction, no credit for this book, there's a copy of the encyclopedia on Archive.org with no mention, it seems, of this book but a few online sites identify it as by Petagno. All 4 PV are gone so does anyone know if it's him or not? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:42, 9 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Wrong Titles On Archive.org ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5688508; A cautionary tale here. Elizabeth Engstrom's 1992 20-story collection Nightmare Flower was upped last month so I added a link and fixed/added various things. On a whim I decided to enter her name in the search page but in text contents instead of metadata. Not really expecting to find anything I hadn't already entered I was stunned to see her first book, When Darkness Loves Us, a 1985 two-story collection. Since Valancourt put out their reprint edition a few years ago I've tried many times to find somewhere online that showed any of the several earlier editions and could never find any site that showed a contents page so I could enter the numbers, which was very annoying. It turns out the reason why it couldn't be found on Archive.org specifically is because whoever upped it way back in 2011 got it mixed up with a completely different title from another author and publisher. They're not even close. This is far from the first time a book had the wrong title on that site but for some reason I had never thought to search contents for this one. So to anyone looking for anything on that site I suggest searching for titles/ISBN/whatever in contents because you may find a lot of stuff you didn't think was there if you just searched for them the regular way. I'm very happy about this but a few things remain that need doing; the Tor edition has the same page count as the HC and I assume page numbers are the same, so if anyone owns a copy they can verify that and enter them. The Apex edition has a completely different page count which may or may not be right; maybe someone has a copy of that, too. Finally, the first story says it's a novelette but page count is almost 70, way over the 50-page limit for that length, yet in the Hartwell anthology that it was reprinted in the count varies from 30 pages in the HC to around 60 in the PB while in the Valancourt PB (which I edited last year using a library copy) it's 65. So I have a feeling it should be a novella, too, like the second story in the collection. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:43, 9 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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: Your submission is approved. My rough count was approx. 19,000 words. I would approve the change. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:05, 9 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:08, 9 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::I added WorldCat ID to the Apex edition and noticed note says "data from Amazon" which is a signal that info, especially page count, is probably wrong; WorldCat says 201 pages, not 218, so I made an edit changing it since that's probably correct or closer to it, anyway. I also noticed it says "updated foreword" on their page but I don't know what that means because Theodore Sturgeon was dead for nearly 25 years when this edition came out (I see he died in May of 1985 so the foreword was likely one of the last things he wrote before he died; sad). Supposedly this edition is in 2 public libraries down south in North Carolina and Kentucky which makes sense because Apex is based in Kentucky, but there's also a copy in a university in Taiwan (?!?). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:10, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Change series name: Chubby Lewis Barnavelt ==
 
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I'm not sure how the series name [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?1404 Chubby Lewis Barnavelt] was created but I think it's offensive as-is. I suggest it should be changed to simply "Lewis Barnavelt". Are there any objections? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:01, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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:I updated it. Regardless of the offensive part, searching for "Chubby Lewis Barnavelt" produces only 11 hits[https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Chubby+Lewis+Barnavelt%22]. Strickland's books have "John Bellairs's Lewis Barnavelt in TITLE" on cover and title page. It seems more reasonable people would be looking to find this as "Lewis Barnavelt" than "Chubby Lewis Barnavelt". --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:49, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: The series was called "Chubby Lewis" in the 1997 [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/fe/bellairs_john Encyclopedia of Fantasy]. I can't find the word "Chubby" in the e-text that I have. I'll need to check my paper library to see if I have an early edition. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:30, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::https://bellairsia.blogspot.com/2005/09/who-is-chubby-lewis.html. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:48, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5689255; One of those OL-only copies with no preview; while correcting page count I noticed intros in HC and TP are entered differently. There's also a similarly titled essay in a 2008 David Brin collection, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=love+with+change&type=All+Titles, but it has a 2006 date with no note about where it came from. So the '96 intros can be merged if someone decides which one is more properly titled; whether the later essay is the same one is hard to say because there's no copy of that collection. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:36, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Jelly Ink ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=jelly+ink&type=Publisher; I just made an edit adding a link to the 4th printing of Stranger Things Happen by Kelly Link; publisher is Jelly Ink / Small Beer Press even though Jelly Ink is only mentioned on copyright page, but a chapbook by Link, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?28159, is as by Jelly Ink Press with a note about being an imprint. Both of those things can't be right so which publisher name should be the parent? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:50, 11 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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: Later printings of "Stranger Things Happen" (with unknown dates of publication) are verified, so we shouldn't change them. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:14, 11 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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::PV Andrewk and Teddybear are no longer active. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:34, 11 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Math Book ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249351; I see in history that I added cover and price nearly 2 years ago but this book really doesn't belong here, being non-genre and with no review, so should probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:51, 11 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20192; A discussion of a book by Alexander Key on the boards here prompted me to add a few minor things to 2 of his books I'd edited long ago but I also noticed The Golden Enemy, which I never edited, has a copy on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=golden-enemy, which is 166 pages, not 176 like ISFDB and many other sites say, while there's an Open Road reprint that says 156 pages. This copy, https://picclick.com/The-Golden-Enemy-by-Alexander-Key-194249590087.html, looks like it has the same copyright page so I don't think the archived copy is book club or anything, and there are no Westminster book club editions on ISFDB. So if anyone can solve this mystery, respond here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:18, 11 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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I have collected Alexander Key books for years, and I find that with Westminster Press it can be very hard to determine what printing you have. They did not bother marking First Editions or reprints until sometime in the later 1970's, from what I have seen. I recently posted a copy of "The Forgotten Door" that I belive is a First Edition, mainly because of the ads on the dust jacket. I think some titles had very few printings, if not just one. While a few titles were quite popular and were probably reprinted numerous times. I know "The Forgotten Door" was reprinted, because I own a few differnt editions, including later printings with number strings on the copyright page for a 13th printing, and a 14th printing. I believe "The Golden Enemy" was also popular and reprinted several times. This could be part of the page numbering issue, but it could also just be a cataloging mistake. The Library of Congress records a copy with 176 pages. I have seen cases where the mistake of one library is copied by cataloging departments in several libraries. Basically if someone in The Library of Congress made a mistake, it may have been replicated may times. I have an early copy of this title, but it is packed away right now, so I can't check it. I have seen books where the page numbering was changed to include an "About the Author" page, or an afterword, but 10 pages does seem to be a bit much. [[User:Bernarrd|Bernarrd]] ([[User talk:Bernarrd|talk]]) 16:49, 18 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Heads up on making edits to several hundred pubs, some of which may have verifications ==
 
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Per [[User_talk:Ahasuerus#Weird_broken_Amazon_image_URLs]] , there are ~600 author and pub record that have Amazon image URLs that are now broken.  Most of these URLs can be fixed programmatically, and I've got a simple script to submit the edits via the API.
 
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Some of these pubs may well have verifications, apologies for any notification spam you might get for them, but I don't think there's any need to create talk page items for everyone whose edits may be affected.
 
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== Kevin Clarke: two different people? ==
 
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?3708 Kevin Clarke] has a late '80s Doctor Who novelization, and 3 bits of fanart from the early 80s, on his page.  I strongly suspect these are 2 different people:
 
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At the very least I feel this merits an author note, but would there be any objection to separating these out into two different author records? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:03, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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:Adding a note is a sure thing for sure (Sure? Sure!). I do have some reservations about dividing the entries / authors: things like those do happen (a fan being active in two areas): there are some who do both, and others who begin in one field (say drawing) and do find their fulfilment in another one (say writing, or vice versa). That the candidate(s) both was/were active in the 1980s and seem(s) to stem from the British Isles, leaves the distinct possibility that it is the same person, I'd think.
 
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== Stories from the Twilight Zone ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33354; I have an edit adding LCCN ID to this TP edition but noticed there was a 1989 PB on Archive.org which somehow was never entered here so I made an edit for that, too, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5691762, but there's a cover art question; 1986 says Roger Bergendorf did the "cover photo" but 1989 says Stan Watts did the "cover art" which has a 1986 copyright date. It looks like art to me so if anyone is familiar with Watts' style maybe they can identify him as the artist and his name can be entered, possibly with a note in TP record about wrong cover credit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:52, 14 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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:You'll have to discuss with the primary verifier, who's active as editor. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:08, 14 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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::TP PV is transient so they wouldn't have their copy anymore and they probably have no idea about the art question because they didn't even enter Bergendorf as cover artist (maybe they thought photos don't count as art, even though by looking at it closely it appears to be artwork and not a photo). There's no PV to ask about the PB because that edition wasn't on ISFDB until I added it (approval pending). Maybe someone is familiar with Watts' art and can identify it as his or there's a clear copy with a signature somewhere on the cover. It wouldn't make sense to have 2 separate art credits here for what's obviously the same art so one artist should be decided on and entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:07, 14 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5692038; Most of Beford's books are either on Archive.org or in 2 cases OL-only no-preview editions; the last one I edited has a couple of issues. Note says it should be 309 pages per ISFDB but it should really be 311, right? also, these Edge books sometimes have that Canada/USA date thing on copyright page; how to tell what's a USA edition if they just put both dates? Couldn't this book just as easily have a 2006 date? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:20, 14 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Daw Duplicate ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?669885; Should the non-PV record be deleted? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:09, 15 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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: It has a different ISBN and based on the ISBN and the fact that it is a later one, I'd say it is a reprint and probably a 2000 one (See the rest of the ISBNs starting with the same numbers [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_publisher&O_1=exact&TERM_1=DAW+Books&C=AND&USE_2=pub_isbn&O_2=starts_with&TERM_2=08867788&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication here]). Looking up that second ISBN online (0886778832), I see some records so seems like a valid one indeed. I will do some more digging and eventually re-date to 0000-00-00 for now if I cannot confirm the 2000 and if it still looks like a reprint. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 22:07, 15 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== French Replay ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?528161; https://archive.org/search?query=grimwood+seuil; As I was adding edits to some editions of K. Grimwood's Replay I found that French one. Edit history shows only Hauck who according to his page here wants nothing to do with this site and says it's no use to "left" messages, so any other French-fluent editors who want to enter that (price is different on the back so I assume it's some other printing) can do so if they wish. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:25, 16 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== New cleanup report: pre-1967 pubs with an ISBN ==
 
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A new cleanup report has been deployed. It looks for pre-1967 publications with an ISBN. The data will become available tomorrow morning. I expect the report to find 49 suspect records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:15, 16 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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:Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:27, 16 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Desert of Death's Domain ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5694536; I think all 3 PV are gone so someone who's into these Rhodan books may want to look at this one because I see some possible problems with series being part of title and title in contents being shortened and also having one with a # and one without. Maybe this is correct and the way others in the series were entered but I doubt it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:03, 16 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Yellow warnings for ISBNs enhanced ==
 
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[[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:56, 17 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== R. Dunkley Story Title ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1374862; Open Library lists contents and they say "Zane", not "Zazine"; little photo evidence of this book online, so maybe someone here has a copy and can verify what it is and fix if needed. On the plus side, while looking into this I found that Dunkley has a website and Nick Bantock did the cover art for The Twilight Book, so I made edits adding both. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:33, 18 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Black Is A Man ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?815472; A copy of this rare novel was upped last November so I added a link along with LCCN. There's an awesome sticker on the cover from J.M. Fields with a 57-cent price; that store went out of business in 1978 according to Wikipedia so this copy's at least 45 years old. I didn't see any artist credit inside the book but it may be hiding somewhere in that creepy artwork in case anyone can find it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:26, 18 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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:I couldn't see any signature on the front or back cover, or on the flaps. I added a note to that effect. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:52, 20 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== King's The Plant ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?92669; http://jerryshouseofeverything.blogspot.com/2017/08/forgotten-book-plant.html; I'd like to know the best way to enter that PDF mentioned at the bottom which is a dead link but is still online at club-stephenking.fr. Is it a novel? A chapbook? It was published electronically in 2000 (note the Stoker nomination here) but it has page numbers. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:06, 20 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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:Looks like each part should be a SERIAL, with its publication a CHAPBOOK. Although it's unfinished, in composite they would be a novel, so you'd variant all six to a parent NOVEL record and note that it is unfinished. [https://stephenking.com/works/other-project/plant-zenith-rising.html stephenking.com] has info and PDFs for groups of three.  I see the site you linked has a PDF for all 6.  I would use the page numbers to compute "pages" for the installments and note the actual number range in each one.  --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:50, 20 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Biomass Bob (Robert E. Lumpkin passing 6/20/2023) ==
 
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Hello ISFDB Community,
 
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My father asked me to share his passing with you all.  He died yesterday 6/20/2023 of pneumonia. My brother and I were with him and he died peacefully. The illness came on very suddenly, but once it took hold, it proved impossible to beat.  He valued this site and all the contributors so much.
 
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My brother and I will be selling his spectacular collection of science fiction/fantasy books/media in the next couple of months.  We don't share his love of the material and we want it to go to a good home.  If anyone can direct us to an appropriate dealer or place to talk about selling his collection, it would be greatly appreciated. We will check back here periodically.
 
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I apologize if I have placed this notice in the wrong place. Best, Nancy Sowers
 
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: Hello Nancy,
 
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: No, that's the perfect place for it. I am so sorry for your loss. Bob was a part of the site and of our community and we will sorely miss him. I hope you find some solace in the fact that he won't be forgotten. Try to find some time for yourself in these hard times and we will all miss Bob :( [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:36, 21 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: I am very sorry to hear about Bob's passing :-( He was always very dedicated and a pleasure to work with.
 
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:: I am afraid I can't help with finding a dealer, but some of our contributors may be in a better position to point you in the right direction. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 21 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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:I'm so sorry to hear that. Our condolences to you and your family. Bob will be missed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:16, 21 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Bob was always a pleasure to work with. Sorry to hear he's gone, I'll miss him. As for the collection, you might try Centipede press (mail to jerad@centipedepress.com). Sometimes they sell special collections for family of former customers. I think Bob was one of their better customers, recently he helped them with a [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Strange_Plasma_issue_8 rare Lafferty story] and his collection is certainly special. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 08:28, 22 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::My condolences as well.  Your father was one of my favorite ISFDB collaborators to work with.  I will miss him greatly. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:55, 22 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::He will definitely be missed here. He contributed quite a bit over the years. My condolences to you and to your family. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:35, 22 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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::I am so sorry for your loss, Nancy. Bob was great to work with, I valued his input on many projects and he will be missed here. May his memory be a blessing. Rest in Peace, Bob. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 03:43, 23 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::I'm so sorry to hear about Bob. I had lunch with your Bob and your brother at the Windy City Pulp collector's convention in 2019. It was one of most enjoyable encounters I have had in the last several years and I'd hoped to meet with him again.
 
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:::If you can wait until ~April 2024 to sell his collection, the upcoming Windy City Pulp convention will give you the opportunity to contact 50-100 dealers, and you might be able to arrange for an estate auction.[[User:Rkihara|Rkihara]] ([[User talk:Rkihara|talk]]) 12:27, 30 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?178737; Maybe someone here who knows his personal info would like to update his record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:52, 30 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::I've updated it with his date of death and linked it to his user page here. If anyone can find an obituary for him, we can update it more. I've had no luck finding one. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:17, 30 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::::I've been in and out of the hospital myself recently, so I missed Bob's death, but I've always found him a helpful editor and moderator, ever since I started here eleven years ago.  He will be missed. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:33, 21 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Golem Questions ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5698892; This is the original edition, I think. Then there is this, https://archive.org/search?query=meyrink+golem+wolff&sort=-addeddate, where the 2 Golem editions are by Kurt Wolff but are different on title/copyright pages. Any of the many German editors here may want to approve my edit and then add details to it which escaped me, being non-fluent in the language, and also enter those other 2 which are likely later editions. On a semi-related note I asked 2 PV recently about Bester's Golem 100 but one of them is now deceased so if anyone knows the answer, possibly the other PV, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:21, 22 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5698892; Someone finally got around to my Golem edit but rejected it because of the date, although I think it's because it was published in December and, as so often, books published at the end of the year have a copyright for the following year. But whatever. If anyone ever does anything with this they can decide if the archived copy is a first printing, a later edition, whatever. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:57, 3 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Madrone Tree ==
 
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https://archive.org/search?query=the-madrone-tree; There was a recent message here about an A.C. Clarke cover being originally from Dark Dominion by David Duncan; I see his "reviewed in The Arkham Sampler", almost genre, novel The Madrone Tree was recently upped but there's no cover and copyright page is pretty bare so I suspect it's some kind of book club edition, in case anyone can figure out from a gutter code or something what exactly it is and wants to enter it here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:59, 23 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Derek Hegsted ==
 
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I was adding a few edits to editions of L. Ron Hubbard's Fear when I noticed the note for the 1991 HC said they're not sure where the internal art credit came from, so I found a 1994 article on www.deseret.com which mentioned Hegsted and said he did art for 3 books including Serpent Catch and Murisaki. The first is by Dave Wolverton and credits Derek Hegstead so I did all the needed variants and such but the second is unknown; searching for that title on WorldCat found 1 musical score for the harp and nothing else, so if anyone knows what it is (novel?) that would be great. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:01, 23 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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:They might mean [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?928491 this anthology], though the art is apparently by Stephen Youll. I actually have this anthology, so I will check it when I get home from work. I also have Serpent Catch, so I can check that one, too (for the spelling of his name). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:49, 30 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Complete Cthulhu ==
 
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For Lovecraft fans, https://archive.org/search?query=complete-cthulhu&sort=-addeddate; not sure which edition it is, leather bound or collectible ("collectible" didn't show up in a text search and "leather" only shows up in some of the stories) and it's a 3rd printing, I think, but ISFDB has a 9th (!) printing. So I mention it in case anyone wants to enter. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:41, 24 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Baen Books vs. Baen Fantasy ==
 
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See this discussion, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer#Warriorwards, in case any of the many PV agree and want to make Baen Fantasy a publisher series and make Baen Books the publisher. This is similar, I think, to how most people entered the countless Tor publications as just that but a handful decided to enter Tor Horror, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?73896, as if that's a separate publisher or something. EDIT: There's also a related issue where a handful entered Avon Horror as a series, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?9753, when it isn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:47, 24 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?67171; First book is by cheap UK 50's PB publisher while others are UK editions of major American publisher Viking so something should be added to PB publisher to differ. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:25, 24 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== WSFA Small Press Award ==
 
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Is the [https://wsfasmallpressaward.org/ WSFA Small Press Award] in the database? I was checking a few authors who were already nominated for it but couldn't find it in neither their pages or in the Awards Directory. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 18:55, 16 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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:It doesn't look like it's been added yet, looking at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_directory.cgi list of awards]. I think it's likely eligible. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:26, 19 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Thanks! Where is the best place to propose a new addition to the Awards directory? [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 00:58, 24 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::Ahaseurus usually adds the award itself, and then any moderator can add categories to it (if needed) and any editor can add awards to various titles and moderators will then approve them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:23, 26 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::: Sorry I missed the question when it was posted on the Help Desk. I agree that the award looks eligible. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:19, 26 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::: The Award Type [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?108 has been created]. Thanks for bringing it to everyone's attention. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:18, 30 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Manfred W. ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=manfred+wil&type=Name; Usual PV for these languages, Stonecreek, JLochhas, Rudam, Willem, so if any of them know whether these 2 guys are the same or whether one or the other is misspelled and needs to be made a variant or if they're not the same guy at all, have a look. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:54, 26 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?141183; I made some edits for Mutants recently and noticed clicking on James Barry leads to another person's record; some variant is needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 27 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Two review books ==
 
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I have two anthologies that are nothing, or almost nothing, but reviews on slick paper.  One is [https://www.amazon.com/Paperback-Fantastic-Horror-Justin-Marriott/dp/B0B92HCLRL/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1ZY6MCRPL0TRU&keywords=Paperback+Fantastic+Horror&qid=1687909120&s=books&sprefix=paperback+fantastic+horror%2Cstripbooks%2C104&sr=1-2 Paperback Fantasic #3] and [https://www.amazon.com/Collected-Pulp-Horror-One/dp/1793987548/ref=sr_1_1?crid=19Z86H7GZ1TFN&keywords=the+Collected+Pulp+Horror&qid=1687909847&s=books&sprefix=the+collected+pulp+horror%2Cstripbooks%2C128&sr=1-1 The Collected Pulp Horror].  Both are profusely illustrated with book covers, some in color.  Do I list the cover reproductions/reprints along with the reviews and articles?  Is there a rule about this?  I have no life, so either way is fine, and I got the time to list everything. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 20:03, 27 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Angry Candy Art ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?123061; I was adding 2 links to Houghton Mifflin and 1 to Mariner (+ page numbers) when I noticed the odd page numbering for the art in Plume; very early 2007 PV here so maybe that was the thing back then but now it doesn't need page numbers, does it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:00, 28 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Hughart Omnibus ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?136566; Finding a photo of Barry Hughart on FantLab spurred me to add archived links to editions of all 3 of his novels but his omnibus is nowhere to be found. The original publisher apparently published nothing else and the Subterranean edition was re-released with corrections. Someone here must have a copy of one of these books; if they do, I'm sure some info can be fixed/added. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:00, 28 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Cleanup Report: Potential Duplicate E-book Publications ==
 
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I just noticed that all of the titles by Glynn Stewart that have a Patreon edition ebook publication are showing up on the Potential Duplicate E-book Publications Cleanup Report. For example: "A Question of Faith". Right now there's only about 35 of them but is there any way to tweak the report criteria so they aren't on it? They are very definitely not duplicates. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:58, 28 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1013230; This is a very confused title. I just made 3 PENDING edits removing title from Shivers III, importing title from Read Your Fears into Shivers III, and re-dating that title to date of Shivers III. Now the problem is that the parent title is wrong because this story was co-authored with his daughter (and the 1994 date is also wrong) but his collection Aftershock does list the title in table of contents as Itsy Bitsy Spider and doesn't mention a co-author. Archive.org copy of Aftershock is messed up and doesn't allow any searches so I think the correct thing to do would be to add co-author to parent title and then re-title it and date it to match the kid's anthology it first appeared in and for someone who has access to Aftershock to verify what's on the story's title page and fix if needed. Anyone have it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:20, 29 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5705474; Judging by the wartime note on copyright page and 1944 dates of writing on last page I think book date should be changed to 1945 like WorldCat says. What say you? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:49, 29 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Spanish Genesis ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?88476; https://www.amazon.com/-/es/dp/8432037427; I was entering several edits for Harbinson books and came across this. Someone more familiar with Spanish publications may know what the "2d" on the cover means, whether this is a reprint of the original Planeta or if there was an earlier edition from someone else, and I'm sure the seller's description in Spanish has some info that could be useful. In case anyone wants to enter anything. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:29, 29 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Betancur ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=betancur&type=Name; Likely the same artist. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:49, 30 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== It-Alien Nation ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3405; Some weird uploader from Canada has 3 obscure Canadian non-fiction items in their account and a HC Italian edition of Alan Dean Foster's novelization of the 1988 film Alien Nation, https://archive.org/details/aliennation0000fost, in case anyone fluent wants to enter that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:34, 30 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Out of the Everywhere ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37423; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit to 1981 US PB, someone's note about comma only on cover and spine but someone added it to cover art and Canadian PB title, needs removing, also someone's note about LCCN not being on LoC but someone added it to both US and Canadian, needs removing from External ID and adding number to notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:02, 30 June 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Caramine ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=weapon+master&type=All+Titles; I don't usually dabble in old pulp but I think I stumbled across something here. Note in Caramine's record says it's a pseudonym of a SF guy; search for title and Robert Hoskins gets a few mentions in SF bibliographies but this search, https://archive.org/search?query=%22weapon+master%22+%22a.+l.+caramine%22&sin=TXT&sort=-addeddate, shows a few copies of the zine where Caramine's credit was. This review of the zine where the Hoskins credit was, http://andrewdarlington.blogspot.com/2015/12/retrospect-science-fiction-adventures.html, mentions Newcastle and Jordan's Delight, 2 places mentioned in the Caramine story, so I think it's obvious that Hoskins reprinted the story under his own name. Also interesting is that the note here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?212773, mentions "Ac" as artist for the Hoskins story; Ac=A. Caramine? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:33, 2 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Jason ? Brock ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=dark+sea+within&type=All+Titles; Last item has no period after V in Brock's name; eBay copy also shows no period on contents page and Kobo preview shows no period on acknowledgements page but all-important story page wasn't seen, so if anyone owns/knows where a readable copy is it would help to decide whether it needs to be a variant or merged. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:44, 2 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Lee Ann Barlow / Lee Kuruganti ==
 
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?248792 Lee Ann Barlow] appears to be the married name of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?102605  Lee Kuruganti].
 
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* Lee Ann Barlow - 49 titles, earliest 2016-10-00.
 
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Normally we would make Lee Kuruganti the canonical name. Are there any objections to making Lee Ann Barlow the canonical name? This will avoid having to reverse the relationship at the point where Lee Ann Barlow is the most recognized. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:57, 3 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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: Ordinarily, recently published titles have more "weight" when determining "the most recognized name for the author within the SF genre", so I would be agree with the proposal if the numbers were close. However, 49 vs. 109 is rather lopsided and there is no guarantee that the artist will continue publishing as by "Lee Ann Barlow" going forward, at least at the same rate of publication. It makes me hesitant to create an exception. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:34, 3 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: Your point regarding future publications is valid. I'll make Lee Kuruganti the canonical name for now. We can revisit if the credits equalize. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:20, 3 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Mr. Scott ==
 
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I added cover artist to American edition of The Jules Verne Companion, Steve Hofheimer, thanks to FantLab, but the British edition is confusing. Both American and British (searchable on Google Books) say "Designed by Christopher Scott" on title page. ISFDB has a Chris Scott, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?228831, with cover art credit for the British, and a Christopher Scott, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?112902, with interior art for another Peter Haining anthology. Both Scotts also have short story credits for some other Scott with the same first name; whether author Chris and author Christopher are the same guy is another question. So anyone who maybe owns the British and can verify it says "Chris" on a flap or something would help. Separating authors from artists is also needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:36, 3 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Independence Day ==
 
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== Manor ISBN ==
 
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_isbn&O_2=contains&TERM_2=1532&USE_3=pub_publisher&O_3=contains&TERM_3=manor&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; Killer Pack is the only Manor book which starts with 1532, just over 200 Manor books on ISFDB start with 0532, this eBay copy, https://picclick.com/Killer-Pack-Herbert-Myers-Paperbacks-From-Hell-285355696448.html, has no starting number on the spine, should it be changed from 1 to 0? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:20, 4 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Twilight Tales Presents, September 1998 ==
 
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What happened to the cover? Also, it's verified for Locus1, but where is it listed there? I thought Locus was only for books. --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 14:08, 7 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?386118 Twilight Tales Presents, September 1998]. Galactic Central either moved the cover or had to delete it for some reason - the risk in using outside/non-ISFDB hosted covers. If it was moved, someone may be able to track it. If it is deleted, we need to find it elsewhere...
 
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: As for Locus1 - check with Ron. Part of it is that some of the things we consider magazines are considered anthologies by others (and vice versa) but the verifier can tell you what the answer is better than anyone else. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:28, 7 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Thanks, Annie. Sorry I didn't put the link in my post. I wonder why Galactic Central deleted it… --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 14:31, 7 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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::: Copyright challenge, personal information (if there was a label on it?), a mistake by someone, just moving it somewhere, a better cover was uploaded but the name not used for some reason - who knows what happened. Their covers are usually stable (unlike their links) but things happen. You can always ask them if you want :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:38, 7 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::Locus1 actually does cover magazines in addition to books.  Hope this helps.  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:13, 7 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::So I did ask Phil S-P, and this is what he said: "[''Twilight Tales Presents''] is one of those strange borderline publications that is sometimes classed as a magazine and sometimes as an anthology (I see that the ISFDb currently tries to have it both ways by listing some issues as magazines and some as anthologies!). My view is that it was an anthology series and, as such, falls outside my core remit."
 
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== Linking Award details on Award Type and Award Category pages ==
 
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We currently use asterisks ("*") on Award Type and Award Category pages to link to nominations without a numeric value. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ay.cgi?23+2023 ''2023 Hugo Award''] for an example of an Award Type page which has no numeric values because only nominations have been announced: every link is an asterisk.
 
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As [[User:ErsatzCulture]] pointed out earlier today, these asterisks are not particularly intuitive; it's hard for our users to tell that you need to click on an asterisk to see each award's detailed data. How about we replace "*" with the word "Details"? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:42, 7 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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:I think having the word "Details" would clutter up the page, especially given how those tables are displayed. Maybe use the Unicode 🛈 (U+1F6C8) or Ⓘ (U+24BE). Some other possibilities: ⎆ (U+2386), ⎘ (U+2398), ⏵ (U+23F5), Ⓓ (for "Details", U+24B9), ▶ (U+25B6), ► (U+25BA), ➤ (U+27A4), ➨ (U+27A8), ➔ (U+2794), ➜ (U+279C), ➥ (U+27A5), and ⮩ (U+2BA9). You could use one of these if "Nominated" was selected: 🅝 (U+1F15D), 🄽 (U+1F13D), 🅽 (U+1F17D), or 🇳 (U+1F1F3). If they're a finalist, there are the equivalent versions of "F": 🅕 (U+1F155), 🄵 (U+1F135), 🅵 (U+1F175), and 🇫 (U+1F1EB).
 
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:I lean toward one of these two (out of those I listed):  ▶ (U+25B6), ➤ (U+27A4). If you like the letters for "Nominated" and "Finalist", then I like 🇳 (U+1F1F3) and 🇫 (U+1F1EB). [https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/category/So This] is where I found these. Looks like they also have medals, too, for first (🥇 (U+1F947)), second (🥈 (U+1F948)), and third (🥉 (U+1F949)) places. That might be a little too fancy, though. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:47, 7 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: I'm getting horrible flashbacks of sitting in meetings where a project manager and a graphic/UI designer were having a screaming fit about whether a white-i-in-a-blue-circle, or a question-mark-in-a-circle were best icons for this sort of link ;-)
 
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:: I do agree that "Details" might be a bit long, my initial thought was something like Heavy Asterisk ✱ (U+2731) and/or doing with the CSS to have a min-width on the link to make it easier to click on. 
 
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:: However it then struck me - "Details" is perhaps overselling things for the majority of awards - in many cases, the award detail page doesn't (IIRC) have any info that isn't already shown on the ay.cgi list page.  Could we perhaps do something like this for the link text:
 
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:: - if there's a number, show that (like we do at present)
 
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:: - if there's a note for the award - i.e. if the award_note_id is not NULL or zero - then show "More", an arrow icon, or something else that indicates there's more info available if the user wants it.  (NB: we don't care what that info is, only if it exists, so there's no need to join onto the notes table in the underlying query)
 
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:: - if there's no note - i.e. award_note_id is NULL or zero - then show an asterisk, or some relatively uninteresting UI element, which facilitates clicking through  to the award_details.cgi page, but doesn't mislead a user into thinking there's anything interesting to be found behind the link
 
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:: [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:27, 7 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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::: I believe you are correct: the only thing that the Award page shows that isn't available on higher level "list" pages is Notes. I like the idea of having some kind of indicator to distinguish award records with Notes from award records without Notes. "More" is probably the most straightforward way to do it without adding clutter to the page.
 
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::: Re: Unicode characters like 🇳 and 🇫, it's a complementary idea which can be addressed separately. We can certainly use them instead of asterisks for specific "award levels". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:46, 7 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::: Here's a barebones implementation (less than a half-a-dozen lines changed) of what was discussed, at least as I understood/interpreted it
 
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:::: My initial thought is that "More" makes that column a bit too wide; maybe instead use something like [https://prod.emojipedia.org/information/ one of these images]?  [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:57, 11 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::: We already use "&#x24d8;" to indicate that a record has Notes -- see the "Translations" table on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1302553 this page], so I guess we could use the same symbol on Award pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:22, 13 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::: {{FR|1579}}, "Display a mouse-over Notes bubble for award records with Notes", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:36, 15 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Profit of Doom ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5712870; I'm starting to slowly go through ErsatzCulture's very useful list of books published only in the UK and this one had a note from the long-missing PV "Prof Beard" with a link to the photo, so I uploaded it. The publisher has about 20 books on ISFDB with either David Hardy or David A. Hardy as cover artist so it's very likely the same guy but a jacketed copy would need to be seen in order to know how he was credited. This book seems to have fallen off a cliff into a black hole because there's almost no info about it anywhere, so if anyone can do better and find an online copy or owns one then the artist will probably be able to be entered. Unless they didn't credit him at all. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 7 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://archive.org/details/belaiasmertfanta0000shec; While fixing some title dates and adding a link to Dead Run re: Robert Sheckley's Stephen Dain novels I ran across this, an omnibus of all 5 of those books plus The Man in the Water, in case anyone fluent in Russian would like to enter that nearly 1,000-page monster. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:26, 8 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?2147; Should a map really be part of a series or is that a mistake that should be removed? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:52, 8 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Five Star Questions ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?933215; I've done a ton of edits for Five Star books today; 2 issues: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?933215, should those credits be separated since art is different? Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1150004, title date is November, book date is December, search of Google Books copy can't get a grasp on the copyright page credit, intro month needs adding, so anyone who can verify what's the month can fix title or book date and add month to intro. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:49, 8 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5713417; There's no photo on Culbreath's Wikipedia so I found one but her writing partner Sondra Marshak has a photo of Vonda N. McIntyre on her Open Library page; I recognize it because some time ago I added 3 different versions of the same photo to her record here, each one better than the last, until I found the best one that's there now. Vonda's Open Library page has a much later photo that's correct because it shows up elsewhere online on pages re: her death. Any idea why her older photo is on the wrong page or why Culbreath's birth date on Wikipedia is several months later than what's here? Now that I think of it, it's possible Culbreath's photo isn't really her, either. Some older SF people here will probably recognize everyone and chime in. EDIT: Good Lord, it isn't her. An obituary on file770.com reveals that image is of Shirley S. Maiewski, another Trek writer, so I cancelled Culbreath and added the image to Maiewski. The mystery remains of what Culbreath and Marshak really look like and what's Culbreath's real birth date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 8 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Witches Wraiths Warlocks ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?916737; I added 2 links to 1971 edition and 1 to 1973 edition, plus changed title from and to & like it says on cover and title page. Sadly, PV of all 3 editions is gone and 1988 edition says and on cover so he can't be asked if it's really & on title page and the 1 eBay copy shows back cover but not title page. So does anyone own the 1988 edition? Introduction would also need re-titling if it's &. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:10, 9 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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{{A|Robert C. Goldston}} (1927-1982) was an American author who published 4 speculative fiction novels (we have 3 on file) and a significant amount of non-SF, some of it as by "James Stark". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:04, 10 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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: I have added the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3206757 missing title] and sent a correction to SFE. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:02, 13 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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Our record currently links him to the "James Stark" who illustrated ''Nebula Science Fiction'' in 1956-1958. A SFE contributor has suggested that the US author and the UK artist were likely two different people. Would anyone happen to know more about this issue?
 
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I hesitate to add the date to our record without additional verification, but perhaps it may point someone else in the right direction. Palma de Mallorca is a Spanish city; perhaps a local/regional/national newspaper may have mentioned it? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:04, 10 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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: I would take the cautionary way and add '1982-01-00' with an accompanying note that it has to be verified. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:23, 12 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: Thanks for the feedback. Since we don't seem to be able to find a (semi)official source, I left it as "1982-00-00" and added the Usenet/Google Group quote to Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:57, 13 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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: Re: the other point (the James Stark pseudonym): The Wikipedia entry states that he at "one time was a science-fiction cover artist under the pseudonym James Stark for Nebula Science Fiction.[6]" (the [6] referring to a now defunct source: sfcovers.net), so it seems quite possible that the two names belong to the same person, also for the cover artwork. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:23, 12 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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::* The Sottish-based magazine ''Nebula Science Fiction'', which appeared between 1952 and 1959, also gave cover space to artists including Eddie Jones, Alan Hunter, James Stark and Gerald Quinn. Stark's covers were often just that: severe portrayals of technology against which men were mere ants.
 
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:: Given the above, I would be inclined to break the Alternate Name link and document what we know in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:28, 13 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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::: Hearing no objection, I have broken the link between the two author records, deleted/adjusted the VTs as needed and added Notes to both author records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:26, 15 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Bear II ==
 
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive50#Bear; A copy of this was just uploaded and my edit adding a link was just approved; if anyone can stand to read it then it can be determined whether it's really genre or not. From skimming I get the feeling it's not, so deletion is possible. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:07, 10 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Awards where the title has multiple authors, but some have declined ==
 
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(This is a slightly edited version of an item I posted on Ahasuerus' page, but he suggested I post it here for wider opinion.)
 
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?205470 S. B. Divya] has announced that she declined 2 Hugo nominations.  One is a novelette, and I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78990 an appropriate entry for that], even if I guess it's not technically official until the stats report becomes available.
 
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The other is more awkward, as it's a joint editorship of a semiprozine.  I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78952 a note] to explain the situation, and to try to pre-empt any complaints.  However, this isn't visible on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3137421 the title page] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/eaw.cgi?205470 her award page].
 
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One "solution" would be to unlink the award from the title, which I think might then allow you to edit the authors?  I'm definitely not going to try that without a second or third opinion, and losing the link to the title record doesn't seem good.  There might be some hack with editing the award_author value to lose the leading "S. B. Divya+", but I don't think that would solve the problem with the title.cgi or eaw.cgi pages?
 
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    "Some authors/editors accepting a nomination and some authors/editors declining it" is a scenario that I don't think I have seen before. I can't think of a way to handle it given the current database schema, but perhaps I am missing something. I would suggest starting a discussion on the Community Portal to see if other editors may have other ideas.
 
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Anyone got any thoughts on how we might be able to best handle this?  [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 11:57, 10 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::: I disagree with adding this note to the author's Summary Bibliography page. It is not our function to highlight what is really a personal decision. As bibliographers, were record the award and leave it at that. I'm fine with moving the note to the award record. Even if the consensus agrees with the current placement, the comment regarding our software is inappropriate and should be removed. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:53, 10 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::::: It's barely 6 months since a blow-up which ended up with [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Speculative_Fiction_Database#History this] (final para of History section, see also [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Internet_Speculative_Fiction_Database#Refusal_to_update_author's_name_change Talk page]) and [https://www.patreon.com/posts/76590909 this] and various luminaries criticizing this site e.g. [https://twitter.com/pnh/status/1603369239091376128 Tor editor-in-chief], [https://twitter.com/JonathanStrahan/status/1603174740654718976 Locus reviews editor and anthologist], [https://twitter.com/aphoebebarton/status/1603886416534069253 SFWA Director-at-Large].  (There are a load more than those three, but the broken Musk-era Twitter is only showing them to me on the Android app, not the web version.)  I imagine most of the editors here understand the structure of the database and site, but this stuff isn't apparent or easily understood to the wider audience.  [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:45, 10 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::::::I think that was blown way out of proportion. While they claim to have been trying for "over a year", they never posted here (or on any of the other discussion pages) until [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3AModerator_noticeboard&type=revision&diff=651183&oldid=650924 14 Dec 2022] about their concerns. Once we knew about the concerns, they were completely addressed [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3AModerator_noticeboard&type=revision&diff=651480&oldid=651444 within about 5 days]. Their whining on Twitter and the coverage by Sanford were extremely one-sided and rather disingenuous. My guess is that the changes submitted (whatever they were, and whenever they were) didn't include appropriate documentation. Sanford also mischaracterized an editor's rather bigoted comment as by a "moderator", which was clearly false (not everyone who posts on that noticeboard is a moderator). We try to be as accommodating as possible, but when what they are complaining about is historical, they really don't have much ground to stand on. We document information as it was at the time of publication. We don't have a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministries_in_Nineteen_Eighty-Four#Ministry_of_Truth Ministry of Truth] that wipes out historical information. All things considered, I think we did a great job handling the issue once it was brought to our attention. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:04, 11 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::::::: I agree that the issue, once posted on the Moderator Noticeboard, was handled expeditiously. As I wrote below, "when Lee Mandelo [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_31#Records_Correction_-_Name_.26_Profile_Display asked to have our records updated to make "Lee Mandelo" the canonical name] in December 2022, we requested additional information to support the notion that "Lee Mandelo" was "the most recognized in-genre name" as per the ISFDB policies. Once the supporting information was provided, the canonical name was changed."
 
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:::::::::::Perhaps we should add something like the following to '''all''' database editing forms. If it was placed at the top, and made very obvious (perhaps put it in a box with a yellow background?), it might help alleviate such issues:
 
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:::::::: Re: the issue of whether our practices match our policies, when Lee Mandelo [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_31#Records_Correction_-_Name_.26_Profile_Display asked to have our records updated to make "Lee Mandelo" the canonical name] in December 2022, we requested additional information to support the notion that "Lee Mandelo" was "the most recognized in-genre name" as per the ISFDB policies. Once the supporting information was provided, the canonical name was changed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:41, 10 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::::::The problem comes up in several scenarios with title based awards.  Those awards currently have a one to one relationship with a title record.  Thus, for a title based award, we will always display the Title and Author fields from title record.  I believe that schema for the awards table has its own title and author fields, and they used to be exposed and could vary from that of the title record.  I had been using that feature to record differences between who was nominated vs who is on the title record when they varied, but [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] asked me to stop doing that in a prior discussion and we cleaned up any records where they differed.  Aside from the current question (a nomination does not list all the editors for the magazine), we also have issues of having to enter multiple awards for a single nomination (same magazine for the 2023 Hugos, as there was a change in editors).  We've had issues where the nominees for a title include someone in addition to the author of that title (see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?63684 2019 Best Art Book] which was awarded to Charles Vess and Le Guin).  We've also had instances where the title of the work differs from the title as published (see this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?68201 2021 Novelette nominee] which was nominated as "Helicopter Story" which is the author's preferred title).
 
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:::::::::I think one way to solve these problems would be to allow the title and author fields for the award to vary from that of the linked title.  I would also recommend that a single award could be linked to multiple title records.  The award could then be listed in the author's award list for those authors from the award record and in all the title records that are linked.  I'm not sure how radical a change that would be, though I suspect linking one award to multiple titles would be non-trivial.  However, it would solve the issues noted above.  I had seen Divya's announcement, but planned to wait to add the withdrawal until the Hugo statistics are published after the award ceremony.  I hadn't worried about the magazine credit, because I'm used to the fact that magazine awards frequently do not reflect the persons nominated due to our software.  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:25, 10 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::::::::: Sorry about the delay; I am still thinking about the issues raised in your comments. There are some similarities with the way we handle REVIEW records. I am also trying to figure out how any future changes may affect the outstanding FRs for series-, publisher- and author-based awards. Lots of implications to consider. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:34, 13 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::::::::::: I actually recall using the + signs in my very early days of editing here.  It does look like is an intermediate table that could be used to link one award to many titles (title_awards).  Of course, the software would have to be altered to look at it that way. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:08, 17 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::::::::::: This is a very interesting example since it raises an issue that I haven't considered before. [https://www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-history/2023-hugo-awards/ This nomination], like a number of other recent nominations, lists a number of people who are -- explicitly -- not editors. The list reads:
 
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:::::::::::::This approach would solve the problems of not showing the non-declined nomination on Divya's award list. It would also solve the problem of having to have multiple award records in order to link to multiple title records.  Lastly, this would also allow us to include authors (assistant editors, podcast hosts) that are in the official nomination, but who we don't credit in our title records.  The one wrinkle I thought of after my original post, was that we potentially have variant titles or variant author names that do not exist in our database.  One solution to that would be to allow the creation of titles and authors that only appear because of an award.  Variants would roll up to the canonical records as they currently do.
 
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:::::::::::::Regarding the sub-optimal author arrangement in the awards table.  I agree that it should be changed, but I don't see that it would be necessary in order to allow the author name on the award to be editable, and to allow it to differ from that of the linked title.  After all, it worked that way a few years ago, until editing those fields on the award record was locked down.
 
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:::::::::::::I think this approach solves a number of problems.  If others agree, it still sounds like the required changes would be extensive and non trivial.  Perhaps there are incremental changes that could be made to move us forward.  Thanks.  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:08, 17 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Contacting Kenneth R. Johnson ==
 
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Can anyone tell me how? I found some vintage SF pornos that he should know about, and add to his bibliography, if he ever revises it. Thanks for any help. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 14:34, 10 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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:Never mind. Phil S-P helped me get in touch with him. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 02:28, 11 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5703635; If anyone's interested, I think it's a story, mod disagrees, hardly matters because it seems to be some squib from a much earlier play or something so if the link isn't added it wouldn't be much of a loss. I made a more helpful edit adding the Encyclopedia.com link I mentioned and also the archived jmichaelyates.com site, which goes back many years, because his site currently online is weird with many links going to an error page but other pages working just fine. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:36, 11 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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:[[User:Username|Username]] omitted one piece of important information. {{Locus}} lists this as a poem in their entry for {{P|34858|Tesseracts 8}} which contains the item. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:02, 11 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Yeah. Also, the Encyclopedia.com mention is in the discussion with mod on my user page, not in the rejection above. Just to clarify. A reply from anyone would be helpful so I can leave this minor edit behind; I've got 1,000 others waiting to be approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:27, 11 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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::: The work is short fiction not poetry. I've added an internet archive link onto the author's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?116209 Summary Bibliography]. Open the site and select the short fiction tab. Open the drop down list on your left and you will see the story. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:33, 11 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::Yay. Also, RTrace, while I'm here I noticed you added some Star Trek slash fiction, Companion, and the cover artist is Gayle F. but it's signed Feyrer, who is on ISFDB as the cover artist for a later non-Trek magazine, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=gayle+f&type=Name. Whose name do you consider the parent so I can make a variant? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:40, 11 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::Regarding Gayle F./Gayle Feyrer, [https://fanlore.org/wiki/Gayle_F Fanlore] lists her as "Gayle F" which I suspect is how she is most frequently credited.  It also appears that she also uses the pseudonym "Sylvia Knight", though we have no titles using that byline. In any case, I'd go with "Gayle F." as canonical.  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:06, 12 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Malcolm for President ==
 
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5704973 this submission] to update {{T|24965|this title}}.  There is an Amazon review asserting that this is an original story, though based on characters from the television series, which would seem to make the novelization flag invalid.  However, I'm not certain that this title is eligible at all.  From skimming reviews, I don't detect anything speculative about the novel.  I also would question whether the authors {{A|Dan Danko}} and {{A|Tom Mason}} are above the threshold.  If we determine that they are, I think the title should be marked as non-genre. What are other folks' opinions on whether this title should be deleted?  Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:04, 12 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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: I don't see anything genre or even genre-adjacent in the novel either. Nor I see a reason for the authors to be considered above threshold. So I vote to delete the book altogether. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:48, 13 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Hearing nobody coming to this title's defense.  I will zap it.  Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:43, 19 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Fright Night Covers ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289979; [https://web.archive.org/web/20071008121652im_/http://www.craigspector.com/frightnight.cover.jpg]; So I have been doing some Skipp & Spector edits, the splatterpunk co-authors who were so popular back in the 80s and 90s, and I discovered that Craig Spector's homepage URL now links to some foreign (Vietnamese?) site so I replaced it with the archived version which goes all the way back to 2005. While looking through the site I found that cover linked above; the Tor edition on ISFDB shows the villain of the movie, the head vampire played by Chris Sarandon, but the cover on Spector's site shows a totally different cover with one of the villain's minions, the girlfriend of the movie's teenage hero, played by Amanda Bearse, who would become famous a few years later for playing Al Bundy's neighbor Marcy on Married With Children. So was it re-released with a different cover? Is it an early mock-up that was changed before release? I'd like to know if anyone knows. It could have been worse; they could have used another one of the villain's minions, the hero's friend Evil Ed, on the cover, played by Stephen Geoffreys, who gave up mainstream acting in the early 90s and pursued a career in hardcore gay porn. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:13, 13 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?266014; https://archive.org/search?query=clickwhistle; https://www.ebay.com/itm/153845632156; I replaced cover image with another Amazon one with a different URL that looks exactly the same but is much bigger. I wanted to add the Archive.org link but over time I've come to realize that a lot of Doubleday (and probably many other publishers) books I and others here have linked to may not have been the true first edition because, as can be seen in the links above, the 1 useful copy on eBay shows the copyright page with "First Edition" while the archived copy does not say that. So is there a way to tell which edition it is? Gutter codes or something? EDIT: Also this, https://archive.org/search?query=watkins+the-god-machine. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:58, 13 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Zebra ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?52948; I'm trying to get this page down to zero. What I've done today is add Kensington Publishing to publisher for 1987 edition of Time-Kissed Destiny because that's what it says on title page (also added author's note on last page); first edition of Once In a Lifetime already has Kensington in it on ISFDB. So ElectricStarboard, who entered the later editions of those 2 novels, may want to chime in with whether they have Kensington on their title pages so it can be added. That Warren Smith book is 70s "non-fiction" junk about space pyramids and should be deleted. I asked NihonJoe about whether his PV copy of Book of Space says Kensington and he put my edit on hold a long time ago but never responded so I cancelled it; if he reads this maybe he can say now what it says on title page. Dracula's Guest, which I just made an edit for fixing the cover artist (turns out it's not Greg Theakston but rather the mysterious FMA, who has about a dozen ISFDB credits), has 1 copy on eBay with photos but doesn't show title page. As far as Death Screen, I don't know, can't find it anywhere. So after my Time-Kissed edit is approved and Book of Space has Kensington added, I hope, and the pyramid book is deleted, that will just leave 4 books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:51, 15 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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:Joe just fixed Book of Space; only a few more to go. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:31, 26 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Geller the Artist ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=geller&type=Name; M. Geller is almost certainly Martin Geller because they did covers for a single St. Martin's Press book each, one in '78 and one in '79. However, the credit for Infinite Dreams by Martin says design, not art, so probably shouldn't have any credit except in notes. So should it be moved to notes and M.'s legal name be made Martin (this is assuming, of course, that M.'s credit really says art in the book like it says in the PV's notes)? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 02:14, 16 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Mary Shelley Award for Outstanding Fiction ==
 
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I'd like to add this award to the ISFDB data base -- here is a list of past recipients https://media-ecology.org/Past-Awards (scroll down for Mary Shelley Award) [[User:PaulLev|PaulLev]] ([[User talk:PaulLev|talk]]) 20:27, 16 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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: I am not familiar with Media Ecology Association, but their [https://media-ecology.org/board Executive Board] and the list of present/past officers include a number of scholars at accredited universities, so it appears to be legitimate. [https://media-ecology.org/Past-Awards Award recipients] include {{A|Ted Chiang}}, {{A|William Gibson}} and {{A|Ernest Cline}}. Curiously, they are associated with [https://media-ecology.org/affiliations The Institute of General Semantics] which was founded by Alfred Korzybski, who influenced a number of SF authors like van Vogt and Heinlein back in the day. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:23, 16 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: I'm not sure a win for Ready Player One does much for their credibility /s {{unsigned|ErsatzCulture}}
 
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::: I realize that it's a joke, but let me clarify for the benefit of new editors. We determine whether an award is legitimate based on what kind of organization administers it and for what purpose. Awards given by publishers or promotional/advertising companies to promote their clients' books and stories are generally not considered "real" awards for our purposes and are not included. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:07, 17 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: But seriously, this looks like a good addition to my eyes.  I have a couple of questions relating to practicalities, which maybe PaulLev knows the answer to:
 
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::: Good questions!  1. Yes, the eligibility period is a rolling 5-years. 2. This announcement is put up on the Internet every year https://media-ecology.org/2023-MEA-Awards 3. The only criterion is "fiction" -- so, yes, in principle, there could be an award given to a work that is fiction, but not speculative fiction. But as far as I can tell, that happens very rarely.  Also, the award is not given every year. [[User:PaulLev|PaulLev]] ([[User talk:PaulLev|talk]]) 13:10, 17 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::: Hearing no objection, I have created an Award Type record and entered these awards for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?1071+1 SF titles that we have on file]. I didn't create "untitled" award records for non-genre titles. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:55, 23 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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Rich Horton [https://rrhorton.blogspot.com/2023/07/cordwainer-smith-rediscovery-award-for.html posted] about this year's winner, and I went to add them, only to find this award doesn't currently exist in the database.  TBH it's one that I only had vague awareness of, but it does have [http://www.sfadb.com/Cordwainer_Smith_Rediscovery_Award SFADB] and [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/cordwainer_smith_rediscovery_award SFE] pages, and has been going for just over 20 years.
 
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[http://www.cordwainersmith.com/award.htm The award's site] lists who has been on the judging panel; again they're people I recognize and who are respected in the field.  (Although it looks like that page hasn't been updated for a decade?) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 03:57, 18 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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::: Since this is a no-brainer, I have created an [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?109 Award Type record] for it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:16, 19 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Alex Gordon ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?6359; The essays are by this person, https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0329966/, but they may not be eligible since he usually wrote about old movies in his long-running column for Fangoria. If they are eligible, some variant is needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:43, 18 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Watson Bon-Bon ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=de+bon-bon&type=All+Titles; Copy of BBR #11 just uploaded, I made an edit adding link and adding/fixing other stuff, this Watson work was in French originally and reprinted in English in this zine, never collected, but as can be seen capitalization, subtitle, and whether it's fiction or essay are issues. So it's for someone else to decide what's best re: those things. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:20, 18 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://archive.org/search?query=ring00pier&sort=-addeddate; While adding links to 2 copies of Piers Anthony's 1968 Ace edition of The Ring I found a 3rd copy on Open Library but it's actually a completely different thing, a sampler of some T. A. Barron books, in case anyone thinks that's worth entering. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:30, 18 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Canonical name change Willard E. Hawkins from Willard Hawkins ==
 
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Any objections to making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13700 Willard E. Hawkins] the canonical name and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13701 Willard Hawkins] the alternate? <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] ([[User talk:Scifibones|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Scifibones|contribs]]) .</small> 05:38, 19 July 2023‎ (EDT)
 
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== Chiller ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?961199; Someone named Aardvark entered this recently. I knew I'd seen that cover art before on one of Karl Edward Wagner's horror anthologies and I had, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1435921. So it apparently originated here, not the French book. Also, I saw on OL that Chiller is "based on" a 1972 novel by Sale, The Love Bite, whatever that means. Maybe that one belongs here, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:16, 19 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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We currently have a cover artist named [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?306339 Ampersand Book Covers]. I just found the website for that artist and was going to add it to the existing Author record but noticed that the [http://www.ampersandbookcovers.com/ website] shows the name as "Ampersand Book Cover Design". So far the only titles that are credited to this artist use "Ampersand Book Covers" as per the statements on their copyright pages. I have several new titles that are by this artist (not credited but definitely by this artist per the website portfolio page) and wonder if I should just use the existing artist after adding the website data and a note about the full name to the existing artist record or if I should use the full name from the website and make it a variant of the existing artist record. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:20, 19 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Will do. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:31, 20 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15963; Philfreund, Chavey, GlennMcG, letting you all know LCCN isn't on their site, should be removed and put in notes section. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:04, 19 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Swedish Vampires ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5720694; After approval I'm sure those who are fluent in the language can improve upon my edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 20 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284512; I'm not sure why I added that ponderous link re: the prices in the note a long time ago because the back cover is on FantLab, but anyway, while adding a link today to FantLab and replacing cover with theirs I noticed there's no "The" on title page but there is in the first Mammoth Book of Frankenstein edition which I checked via the archived link. So if anyone can verify there's a "The" in all editions of that anthology then the story title should be separated and made a variant of the original title. Also, someone added full date to chapbook from Amazon UK but I don't know if anyone trusts them enough to add it to the story itself. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:08, 20 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?24739; I've been doing a lot of edits for old Arthur Stockwell books (there's a huge gap between the last older book and the recent ones) and came upon George Wells. As someone wrote, there may be more than one; I suspect it's 4 different guys since it's not likely a very obscure British author would write an article for an American pulp zine 25 years later and it's also not likely that the author of a cheap paperback horror novel would write a couple of stories for a semi-literary anthology series more than 20 years later. Also, cover of Taurus on Amazon has $2.95 on the cover so either the price on ISFDB, $2.50, is wrong or there's at least one reprint. EDIT: 1 copy of Taurus on eBay, it's Canadian thus the higher $2.95 price, like DAW Books in the 1980s Signet Canadian editions start number line with 2, glad someone wrote a note about that in another 1982 Canadian Signet book on ISFDB otherwise I would have entered it as a second printing. Should be approved soon; hopefully someone will upload a copy of this book to Archive.org someday. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:56, 20 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1256247; Wild Women pub. history, searched on Google Books, says "first two sections" so that one should have (excerpt) after it and be separated from its full appearance in the Wordcraft book. I've been doing a lot of Wordcraft edits and their Speculative Writers series numbering is a mess, whether their fault or editors here I'm not sure, so that will probably need some discussion later on. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:19, 21 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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With the publication (and entry) of Elizabeth Moon's new collection [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3209577 Deeds of Youth], I have created a new series named [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?70445 Paksenarrion World Chronicles]. Would there be any objection to placing the older collection [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1856054 Deeds of Honor] in it as number 1? I'd also like to remove the series name in the title and the cover artist (who's actually credited as the cover designer) from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?520995 this publication] which was sole PVed by the late Biomassbob. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:32, 22 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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:That would be fine. Please move the cover designer to the pub notes vs. completely removing. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:38, 23 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722391; I was going through Eerie, Indiana book series, got through first 4 before #5 only had a 3rd printing on Archive.org and I lost interest, but all of them (and I suspect the others, too) have a lot of missing/wrong info. Only 1 of the 4 was PV (O'Fearna) but 1 of the non-PV had a co-author who didn't co-write it. So now that I removed Mike Ford will the record for the book with his other name, Michael Thomas Ford, go away or does it have to be deleted or something? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:12, 22 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722846; Only 5 issues, none PV, all on Archive.org, figured I'd add links and a few minor things and that would be it, but of course I ran into trouble with the first issue (by the way, is the page count I entered correct?) because the Flying Saucer essay is by Stephen Lloyd, not Stephen Bond, but it is by Bond in the Fantastic Universe issue it originally appeared in. There's also the fact that a 2022 novel by a Stephen Lloyd was recently entered here so there goes that name. What would you like to be done? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:28, 22 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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:I accepted the edit. Yes, that page count was correct - for magazines we include the covers in the page count. As for the essay, I will unmerge it, credit it to a Stephen Lloyd (I), variant to the original, and create a new alternate name. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:33, 23 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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::3rd issue had alternate title of Kapp's story so I imported that and deleted the wrong title. This, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?327861, has no alternate title but checking UK New Worlds on Luminist.org it's "The High Road" but it's "High Road" in US issue. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?44455; it's "Waiting Grounds" in US issue, a title that apparently is not used anywhere else. EDIT: #5 seems OK so I think I'm done. I currently have 7 New Worlds edits plus 1 changing alternate title date of Kapp's story to match where it first appeared (more than 50 years earlier). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:30, 23 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?9236; I added Archive.org link to 1977 US PB in PENDING edit, as note says it's DiFate on copyright page, no space, but credit here is for Di Fate. Correct name was entered here for the 2 1984 editions so 2 1977 editions (and French edition) should probably be the same; DiFate has dozens of credits here already. I count half-a-dozen active PV of this edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:18, 23 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722877; Is there any word on whether Phil Stephensen-Payne is going to update to https? Because there are tens of thousands of images on ISFDB from his various sites. It's not exactly true that they don't display here, they do if you right-click and choose "Open image in new tab", but still. I just added an edit to his page here adding a link to a search engine at pulpflakes.com, chose Braunbeck at random and search engine immediately opened a new tab with the philsp.com record for Gary Braunbeck. This search engine IS https; come on, Mr. Payne, do the right thing and update your sites. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:13, 23 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Ted Koppel ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?161708; I remember adding to this page a long time ago, photo and possibly bio info, but as I came across the name just now while looking at Phil Stephensen-Payne's record I wonder if the famous newsman is the right Koppel. He was born in England but moved to America long before the 2001 UK edition of this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1275674, where a Ted Koppel was co-author. Could there be a bio in the Harness work? Anyone own a copy? I assume if there is a different SF-related Koppel the 1979 essay in Starship would be by the same guy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:38, 23 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Ingalls With Dirty Faces ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5724110; I was doing a whole mess of Rachel Ingalls edits and the very last one gave me trouble; is it just me or does anyone else see the replacement cover with black smudges on it? It doesn't look like the cover does on SFE. Amazon and SFE covers look pretty much the same so no real reason to replace it, anyway, I'd just like to know if I'm seeing things. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:58, 24 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Rage By FMA ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?166329; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269444; I mentioned this cover artist in my Zebra message above, FMA did covers for paperbacks in the 1970s, today while adding a link to an article about Stephen King's 1977 Richard Bachman novel Rage on the Fox News (!) website I noticed the spine (which isn't shown in the cover on ISFDB) had something that looked like a signature and it turned out it's FMA. I can't find a single mention anywhere online but I find it hard to believe a rank amateur like myself discovered something like this so if anyone can point to somewhere that mentions it I'd appreciate it. In the meantime I've made an edit adding cover artist to Rage; there's also a later British NEL PB on ISFDB with different cover art so maybe someone here can identify that artist, too. Identifying FMA would also be great. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:07, 24 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== German J. Kirby ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?576053; Kirby died in 2001, this book is 2004, could be that the cover is re-used from some earlier English book, anyone recognize it so variant can be made? EDIT: I managed to figure this one out, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5724820, took a bit of looking because German cover here is the size of a postage stamp. I also did this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5724821. There are others which need more looking into, a Piper 7th printing with no cover and a German Good Omens cover which has 3 editions that credit Kirby but none of the English editions credit him (?); on the plus side, I saw an OL-only copy of the Berkley edition of Good Omens so I added a link to that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:54, 25 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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:Here's an example where i couldn't find an english pub with the same picture yet [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5725049 Omnibus "Gevatter Tod/Wachen Wachen"]. So far i only found it on an 2001 Discworld wall calendar, which isn't listed here.
 
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:This might also be the case with the german "Good Omens" covers, maybe it comes from a calendar or portfolio but was never used for an english edition.
 
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:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5724820 This one] i have, i'd love to contribute a better image, but it's so shiny that scanning isn't possible, even a photo is tricky. Maybe some day when i figured out how to make a useable image. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 04:17, 26 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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Please note that the new warning won't be displayed when there is a conflict between an EditPub submission and a related EditTitle submission, at least for now. This is due to performance issues, but it may be possible to address them in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:27, 25 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Out of the Unknown ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34126; None of the notes in the various editions really mention "Second Edition" on copyright page so someone more familiar with the history maybe can tell me which record this copy, https://archive.org/search?query=%22out+of+the+unknown%22+fantasy, belongs to so I can add a link to it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:59, 25 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== John Gregory ==
 
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?START=0&TYPE=Title&USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=exact&TERM_1=John%20Gregory&ORDERBY=title_title&C=AND]; Old pulp story and 70s SF novel aren't by the same John Gregory. Also, I made an edit adding OL ID to the novel and noting the bizarre situation where OL link to Archive.org leads to a Shakespeare book; searching for novel's title displays all of these, [https://archive.org/search?query=legacy-of-the-stars&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22]. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:13, 26 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Parker Poltergeist ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?860463; I was going to add something to the Parker edition's publisher name to differ it from the 40-years-later Parker but really it probably shouldn't be here, being "true" paranormal junk by an author below the threshold whose only relevant credits are some cover art many years later. Ace edition has 2 PV, one gone, one active but transient. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:06, 26 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Looking for an old story ==
 
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: HTH! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:32, 27 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Or you could just give a description of the story here and let us try to figure it out. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:56, 28 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Barzman Twinkle ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20160; I just added 2 links in a PENDING edit to Archive.org copies of the Book Club edition, 1 from 2010, 1 from just a few weeks ago. Title has no commas on cover seen many places online, two commas on ISFDB, 1 comma on title page. I can only find club copies online so if anyone has/can find non-club copy and it only has 1 comma then all titles, regular, both editions, cover art, can be fixed to just one comma. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:56, 28 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://fantlab.ru/art34256; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5727128; Someone familiar with Chinese name standardization can decide whether Mingjue is her legal name and needs to be added or whatever after my edit is approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:39, 28 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5727232; As usual when I make a rare attempt to enter a foreign edition I'm sure some improvements can be made after approval. I'll just mention that NooSFere calls artist Kopik and ISFDB has 4 credits for that name but it also has 1 for Copik so someone who knows can decide on parent and variant, although partial signature starts with C so that seems to be the real name. Also, what does that phrase on the back mean, Maquette Vaporetto? Online check seems to imply it means "steamboat sketch" but that can't be right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:49, 28 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Greg Reeves ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5727251; I don't think this is by Garfield Reeves-Stevens. Nothing about the opening pages in Amazon Look Inside matches anything in the 2 copies of Dark Matter by Reeves-Stevens on Archive.org. Maybe this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2563054, is really by Reeves-Stevens or maybe not. The novel, however, should be separated into a different author, I think. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:00, 28 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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As per {{FR|952}}, 'Show covers' and 'Show Last Year First' are now available on all 'Publications not in a Publication Series' pages. Please let me know if you run into any issues with pages like https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?17013 . [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:46, 28 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=bonvis&type=Name; I added Goodreads page (with photo) and middle name to Stephanie, added IMDB page (with 1 credit) to Steven A., and made Steve a variant of Steven A., but that S. is a mystery. No info online for the 2 story titles except the usual Locus/Philsp pages, might be Steve(n) or Stephanie, if anyone ever finds out they can make a variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 29 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=bebeto&type=Name; They're both wrong, I think, first record should be Bebeto DarOZ, not Bebeto Dar0Z, and the other one should be the same. Publisher who PV one of them has been gone for years so no use asking; artist has a YouTube channel as Bebeto DarOZ. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:52, 29 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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: I Purposely triggered one, very nice addition. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:11, 31 July 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: I believe this wraps up the software changes requested in April-July. Due to a number of reasons -- including the fact that  Microsoft plans to stop security patches for Windows 10 in 2025 and the current version of Fixer requires Windows 10 -- I plan to concentrate on migrating Fixer to Linux, Python and MySQL as the next big project. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:27, 2 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5721363; Am I right that like a lot of PB publishers in the 1980s, DAW Books for example, Canadian Signet editions' number lines start with 2? In other words, this is not a second printing and should be un-rejected? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:12, 1 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5730397; Some issues with this. As can be seen on the back cover, the artist is Peter Andrew Jones, not Peter Jones. Also, there's only 2 foreign editions on ISFDB that actually include the 21 numbered pages in the page count. Also, the Archive.org copy (the only FF book on the uploader's page) is messy but I think the first page would be 13-14 and the last would be 99-100 of which one of those last pages is not part of the game book, so 13-99 x 2 would be 174 pages, not 170. So if anyone owns/can get a look at the very first Puffin original edition and it says Peter Andrew Jones that would entail a bit of a nightmare because a lot of the later editions from various publishers would need to be checked to make sure they actually said Peter Jones or if they really say the full name and editors here just imported the original edition's (incorrect) artist name. First edition would also need checking to see if those first 21 pages are numbered and a manual page count would be needed to determine how many unnumbered pages there are. The artist issue arose because whoever entered the name got it from an art book and not the actual book itself, a problem which has led to many names being wrong here, of which I suspect there are many more in the FF series that will need fixing. Fun times ahead; there are hundreds of archived copies of these books. On a side note, I entered a whole bunch of fantasy illustrator photos a while back including Steve Jackson (this one and the other one from the USA who also did FF books and just coincidentally had the same name) but apparently Ian Livingstone escaped me because he has no photo so if anyone can find a good one then they can add it to his record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:56, 1 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5730762; Recent copy has a totally different back cover; possible reprint? Copyright page looks the same to me in both copies. Also, recent copy has a penciled-in date on the front flap and, just maybe, the bottom of the price barely visible above it, which contradicts the note someone wrote here which says there's no price in the book; someone else obviously got it from somewhere. So a little mystery here that someone may be able to figure out. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:25, 1 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?963498; RTrace just entered this, I wasted my time tracking down the ID on BookScans and adding cover image, ISBN, and price, only for the software to tell me the URL was already on file because Rosab618 entered the book back in May but spelled the name wrong, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?949221, which is probably why RTrace couldn't find it and thought it was an unentered book. So I've cancelled my edit; the recent one should probably be deleted, Reginald ID moved over, last name corrected, and ISBN that's on top of the cover should be entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:02, 2 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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:I've essentially merged the two publication records.  Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:52, 2 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Great. I also replaced Cat's Amazon cover with BookScans cover which is the same except bigger, added Goodreads ID to Bayou (they call her May, not Mary) and uploaded their cover which doesn't seem to be anywhere else, and just added archived link to Gambler, which was uploaded in March. I also learned from Gambler's dedication that she's the wife of Con Sellers so I added husband/wife A| links to both of them. I also see in Con Sellers papers at USM (which mentions he married Mary Raineri in 1943) that they include most of Mary's book titles so maybe he co-wrote them without credit? EDIT: Shouldn't ISBN be added to Night Shadows? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:17, 2 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5731000; As can be seen at the Archive.org links the real cover is totally different but no image can be found on Amazon, SFE, OL, FantLab, etc., so if someone wants to upload it from somewhere. Also, author's name is William Walling on title page so variant is wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:52, 2 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1794382; I added Archive.org link to UK HC of Blum's novel; there's no reason for that non-fiction book to be here because author is not "above the threshold" and book is just New Age nonsense about runes, one of many the author has written. So delete and keep the review? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:38, 2 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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::: [[User:Username|Username]]: Since it has been a week and [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] has deleted the publication, go ahead and submit the four edits I outlined above. I'll approve when I see them.
 
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::: [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]]: We have no policy provision for creating title records for ineligible publications. I'm surprised you would suggest this in a thread where I'm advising the proper treatment. Not only are you misleading this editor, but all the others who monitor the boards. If you think your method has merit, start a discussion on Rules and Standards. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:36, 9 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Dating Bentley Little ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?593285; What should title date of Evil Deeds be? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:17, 3 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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: If you are referring to this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?577269 title record], the date of its first appearance. 1994-05-00. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:53, 3 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Mike Turner disambiguation ==
 
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I don't "do" SFnal stuff on Facebook, but I do search for mentions of ISFDB every now and again.  If there is anyone is active on FB, they might want to follow-up [https://www.facebook.com/groups/642644559492671/posts/1698367847253665/?comment_id=1698375807252869 this comment] that indicates the current Mike Turner record conflates 2 or more people.  As a stopgap, I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?81225 an author note] to raise awareness of the issue. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:37, 4 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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== IA's Worlds of Science Fiction ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5733923; PV is gone, LCCN links up to a couple of other Asimov works on LoC, cover art not credited but likely from some issue of Asimov's magazine, so if anyone knows where it came from or what to do with the LCCN. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:18, 5 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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: I found https://lccn.loc.gov/81101251.  Since the printed LCCN is live, I left it, added this one as a second LCCN ID, and added a note about what we see printed in the archive.org copy and what we find on the LOC site today. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 06:50, 7 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Altered Ego ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5734917; It's been 13 years so nobody's rushing to replace that ragged copy; if anyone here owns it and can upload it to Archive.org so there's a complete copy that would be good, although not strictly necessary because there's an HC edition archived in 2020, too. I see a lot of Pennant copies on eBay so I don't think it's very rare. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:02, 6 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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== International Polygonics LCCN ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180301; I just entered this publisher's edition of William O'Farrell's 1942 novel Repeat Performance and only afterwards saw LCCN on copyright page is not on LoC site; I didn't go back and remove it and add a note about it because going back sometimes erases info. I checked the dozen or so other books by the publisher on ISFDB and 1 LCCN was entered and is on their site, 1 was entered in notes as not being on their site, and the one linked above is not on their site but the previous book in the series, Nine Times Nine, is in an International Polygonics edition but hasn't been entered here (yet). 2 PV, one transient and one who has no messages on their board, so should LCCN be removed and moved to notes? Also, can someone approve my edit so I can remove and move, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:48, 6 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Permabooks Problems ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?8005; I added an Archive.org link to Moon Pilot and noticed while it says it was originally published as Starfire in December ISFDB note gives it the date of the printing, October. Also, https://www.garysvintagebooks.com/product-page/son-of-flubber-by-walt-disney, where date is March with printing in January but ISFDB note has no month and note surmises that it was published in May or June because it comes between 2 other books with surrounding catalog numbers but likely months are wrong because some editors entered the printing date instead of the publication date. There's only 40+ Permabooks on ISFDB so this shouldn't be too hard to sort out. At least 2 active PV of Starfire, Rudam and Willem, so they may want to fix their month if that's the right thing to do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:32, 6 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Courtney and Triffids ==
 
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https://archive.org/search?query=triffids+ballantine&sort=-addeddate; Third printing (not on ISFDB) says R. Courtney on copyright page; not credited in Fawcett editions but PV of 1986 Del Rey 1st printing, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?902545, decided to just make the name the canonical name, which is wrong because it's credited as R., so I think it should be changed to R. for all editions and made a variant of Richard. Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?356604, where all 3 are based on signatures only (all entered by me last December), so what to do with those? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:53, 6 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5735718; Invalid ISBN which does get a hit on LoC and a few sites online, so a look at that would be good by whoever approves this edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:17, 7 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Tilley ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?4506; Dark Corners was on Archive.org so I added a link and then discovered the title and several story titles/dates were also wrong so I fixed everything, I think; I also imported 4 stories into Something Else because even though someone wrote a note about titles being on WorldCat they only imported a few of them. Now here's the problem: "Medical Practice" is listed as the only new story but there's another one, "Attack of the Hiccups", which is not on ISFDB or anywhere else I can find. So if someone knows/owns/can find out that would help to complete the contents. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:55, 7 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Tarth? ==
 
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https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/dail_c_c; Just a little something I came across that someone here with connections to SFE may be able to get fixed. The last word in the title on the cover has a trailing bottom line and a middle thing that is not on the A's in "Savage" so it does say "Earth" on the cover, just printed in a fancy way. Note about "Tarth" should be changed to "Earth". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:09, 8 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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:You can send feedback [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/contact.php using this form]. They're pretty responsive. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:45, 8 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:26, 8 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::Wow, John Clute ("An interesting and informative exchange. The cover script is certainly eccentric, but the standard typeface announcing Chapter 22 carries the day") and David Langford ("Thanks for this suggestion. It's an interesting theory but I'm not convinced. The flourishes belong to the A in Tarth and the first letter is thus surely a T. This is confirmed in the book's text, where chapter XXII is titled in clear capitals THE SAVAGE TARTHS -- MAN'S PROGENITORS") responded in an e-mail. I see their point; Tarths are a race of beings in the book. Oh well. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:43, 14 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2449000; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1133886; Different titles, different names, in case anyone can verify anything and merge or variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:56, 8 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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: It's sorted out now. Good find, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:33, 8 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Dredd ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?4530; I added Archive.org links to both editions, copyright page of USA says UK came first but ISFDB has UK as second, also UK cover is actually same image as USA except with Boxtree on it, so if anyone knows where that yellow UK cover really belongs or what the real dates of the editions are let us know so they can be fixed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:34, 10 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Canadian Sheep Look Up ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5738856; Before I leave a message to PV of this edition here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30229, asking him to fix publisher and add month from their note, whose price is right? If it's printed in Canada then Canadian price should be correct, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:48, 11 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Angels Inc. ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5739007; The only photos of the actual print book I can find are on a horrible Amazon page with the smallest (100x100) photos possible; https://www.amazon.com/N-G-L-S-Robert-Author-Bliss/dp/0072298235. If anyone can find some site with properly-sized photos then the cover can be uploaded. I'm wondering why McGraw-Hill didn't publish any genre books between 1990 and 1998 according to ISFDB and then published a weirdly priced paperback like this; another odd thing is that of the 120 other books by them on ISFDB there's only one other PB, a David Hartwell anthology, but other books with the same price are classed as TP, so that might need to be changed to TP, too, and also possibly this Bliss book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:35, 11 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Boak ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=boak&type=Name; I entered an artist named Kathy Boake for some kiddie books and while doing so noticed that these people, A. Graham Boak/Graham Boak/Gray Boak, are one and the same. So if anyone can decide what the parent name should be those can all be linked together. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 12 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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== ISFDB server downtime 2023-08-12 6pm ==
 
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The ISFDB server will be briefly unavailable due to maintenance starting at 6pm server (Eastern Daylight) time. It should be back up after 5-10 minutes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 12 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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: The server was back up at 6:12pm. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:18, 12 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Brunner and Stuff ==
 
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?121; After adding many, many links to John Brunner books over the last few days I was finishing up when I noticed that there are 2 items on his page listed as anthologies that are just 2-novel doubles like the hundred or so other ones listed as omnibus. As can be seen at the link above, some of those Belmont Doubles are anthology, some omnibus, and some collection. So should those 2 Brunner anthologies be changed to omnibus and what should be the standard for the Belmonts? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:30, 12 August 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17626; I've made edits for all editions before, original 1983 Amazon cover seems to have disappeared leading to a broken image so I replaced it, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5882029, then I replaced OL/Archive cover which is too dark with an Amazon cover, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5882020, that isn't great but is brighter and still retains the sparkly stuff on the title that Leisure used to attract people to buy their books which then led to disappointment when the buyers realized the novels themselves were usually crap, the latest edition is fine as is, so now I think the 1983 edition with the wrong price and ISBN should be deleted and the image uploaded by Chris J. should be removed from the Wiki since it seems to be the badly creased cover that's still on Amazon with unnecessary back cover included. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:17, 5 February 2024 (EST)
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:See [[:Template:PublicationFields:PubType]] for all the details, but for the cases at your link:
 
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:The Brunner entries ({{T|683465|Father of Lies / Mirror Image}} & {{T|358551|The Evil That Men Do / The Purloined Planet}}) both consist of two novellas by different authors and so are correctly entered as anthologies. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:58, 12 August 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Request for messages from international fans by a Chinese Hugo finalist - any interest in an ISFDB contribution? ==
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== Felix Kelly ==
  
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This came up on [https://twitter.com/xuetingni/status/1690044002404380680 Twitter] a couple of days ago - the Chinese fan who uses the handle [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366178 RiverFlow/河流] is planning an issue of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?70342 his fanzine Zero-G SF] which will have hand-written messages from fans around the world. There are some examples of what they've already received at the bottom of [https://www.gcores.com/articles/169458 this Chinese language webpage].
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I entered new records for Faber anthologies Best Murder Stories and Best Murder Stories 2 which are mostly genre or by genre authors; I also looked at Best Tales of Terror, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4213, and even though I know I've seen that cover many times I never noticed until seeing it full-sized on FantLab that there's a very clear signature lower right, FELIX KELLY. I entered that in an edit but the problem is that the record for him, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?255975, might be the same artist who did the 1956 art but can't be the guy from 1879. So there may be 2 Felix Kellys in case anyone can find out more and separate them into 2 records; it's also possible that the 1956 art was not new but taken from something drawn by the older Kelly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:09, 6 February 2024 (EST)
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:Also added Margaret Wolpe as cover artist for Best Tales of Terror 2; no signature I can see but FantLab credits her + there's a copy on Dalby's site whose front flap says she did "jacket design" and the art does look like many of her other Faber covers. Also greatly updated her record with lots of bio info and noted she was married to Berthold, also an artist, and updated his record as well. Dalby's copy has a pounds price sticker covering another pound price so I'm getting the impression Faber reprinted their anthologies many times with no way to tell except the prices kept getting higher; lots of printings are probably missing so if anyone has any not on ISFDB it would be good to enter them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:03, 6 February 2024 (EST)
  
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I don't participate in any sort of offline or real-world fandom, but I wondered if there'd be interest in some sort of ISFDB contribution?  I was thinking of maybe a general "Hello from ISFDB" message - precise wording to be worked here on Community Portal - with some sort of collage/grid of short handwritten individual messages from ISFDB contributors.  For the latter, I was thinking maybe stuff that might fit on a square-shaped Post It note e.g.:
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== The Adventure of the Peerless Peer ==
  
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Are there any objections to converting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11929 this] to a novella? The recent ebook reprint is marked as 27k words by Kobo USA and looking at the page numbers and some of the other editions, it does feel too small to be a novel. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:41, 6 February 2024 (EST)
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I don't think this would be worth doing unless we have at least half-a-dozen individual contributions, preferably a dozen or more. Any interest? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:39, 13 August 2023 (EDT)
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: It's definitely a novella. The Titan Books edition (2011) is well over 200 pages and looks like a bona fide novel, but its apparent length is due to the addition of a very long promotional excerpt from {{A|Kim Newman}}'s ''Moriarty: The Hound of the D'Urbervilles''. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:16, 7 February 2024 (EST)
  
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== Termush - convert to novella ==
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:* If you want to send a signed, dated handwritten note in any language from anywhere in the world (but espclly Europe), wishing them well and supporting the project, email me at [snip]
 
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Another recent reprint shows [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1443797 this one] as 25k words in English (Kobo USA count) which will leave it well short of 40K in its original Danish as well. Any objections to converting this to a novella? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:27, 6 February 2024 (EST)
  
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: Based on the above, I would change "Hello from ISFDB" to "Hello from the following ISFDB editors". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:32, 13 August 2023 (EDT)
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== John Stanley ==
  
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:: Sorry for overstepping the mark.  If anyone's interested in contributing to this, maybe a better venue is to email me at {anythingyoulike}@ersatzculture.com, and discuss it further there. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:09, 13 August 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5883789; See my note about artist, that Little Lulu credit in the original Stanley record belongs with I's record because, as my note in the original says, he was born in '39 or '40 so he would only have been 9 or 10 if he did that art which is unlikely; this is the right Stanley, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stanley_(cartoonist). The Melvin Monster credits belong with I, too. I have to assume the Fengriffen Stanley is not the same as I because it's a UK edition and he's American plus it's a photograph, not drawn. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:10, 7 February 2024 (EST)
  
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::: No worries! The Community Portal is the best place to post announcements and it's entirely possible that some editors may want to write one or more postcards. It's all good. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:08, 13 August 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?431777; Late PV entered James Doolin based on signature but there is none, FantLab photo has initials JPD, it's actually Joseph Doolin, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27894, and he has an entry for the same art, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1590968. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:48, 7 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?367447; My old edit fixing name was finally approved and then I discovered there's 2 other records for this author, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?210757 and https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?365512, which have the same story, published within a month of each other by the same publisher, but the first name has the accent in a different place and has the ISFDB "question mark" thing after it. So 3 names, 1 story each, parent needs deciding and that 2012 story needs merging. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 13 August 2023 (EDT)
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== Uncorrected Proofs ==
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5870146 this submission] to update {{P|29328|this record}}.  I noticed that the record states that it was unpublished (8888-00-00), yet there appears to be a cover that was just added.  More importantly it also describes this as an "uncorrected proof" and I had thought that proofs were outside of our [[ISFDB:Policy#Contents/Project Scope Policy|scope]].  The policy specifically excludes Advance Reading Copies unless available for sale to the public.  Do uncorrected proofs differ from ARCs in terms of determining scope?  This seems straightforward to me and I believe the publication should be deleted.  If others disagree and this requires a full discussion, we can move this the the Rules and Standards board.  Thoughts?  Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:59, 7 February 2024 (EST)
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: I read the rules the same way you do - ARCs and uncorrected proofs are out. However, we do keep records of unpublished but announced books (these are in scope under the <i>announced but never published (entered as "unpublished")</i> part of ROA) so I would not delete this one as it is under that category. So ARC/uncorrected proof of a book that comes out will not be eligible but if the book never makes it out, adding the notes about it into the 8888 book are fine I think. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:22, 7 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?14029; Story likely by another guy; this page, https://www.blackgate.com/2015/11/07/fantastic-january-1962-a-retro-review/, slags off our site about it, so maybe a (I) or something should be added to author's name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:13, 13 August 2023 (EDT)
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:: Comparing this publication record with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3379 other, published, editions of the book], I note that it has a different ISBN in addition to a different publisher name. I typically enter announced-then-canceled ISBNs as 8888-00-00 publication records under the rule referenced by Annie. Their presence in our database helps answer a common question: "Whatever happened to this apparent first edition? Why can't I find any copies for sale?" We all know how obsessed collectors can get when it comes to first editions and our database is frequently the only readily accessible place that explains what happened to a "disappeared" ISBN. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:51, 7 February 2024 (EST)
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:Separated out. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:48, 19 August 2023 (EDT)
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:::I've no argument with a publication record for an announced, but unpublished book.  However, an unpublished book and an uncorrected proof are two different things. The notes on this record confuse the issue as to what the record represents.  The addition of a cover scan and artist further confuses things.  How are we able to display a cover of a book that was never published?  I would suggest that the notes be reworked to indicate that a proof was done as evidence of the planned publication.  We could replace the first two sentences with "The Bluejay Books imprint was dissolved late in 1986 just after an uncorrected proof for this planned edition was printed in September of that year."  I would also recommend deleting the cover of the proof and rejecting the addition of an artist.  I do worry that if we were to make an exception and allow a record specifically for an uncorrected proof when the book is never published, it would encourage the addition of other proofs and ARCs especially by those editors who surmise rules by examples of what is already in the database.  If others think this should be a valid exception to allow records for proofs, then we should document it in the scope page as is done with ARCs offered for sale. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:00, 7 February 2024 (EST)
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:::: That sounds like a plan and the proposed change in the notes sounds fine to me - that will make it clear that the record is here because the book was announced and not because it had an ARC/uncorrected proofs done. I am at two minds about the cover - if it was announced with the book, recording it makes sense as it may help trace it to an artist later on and as it is part of the record after all. But other from that - I agree that we need to be careful not to confuse ARCs and unpublished books per se - although when a publication fails through often varies so there are ARCs out there for books that do not make it - that one being an example. Maybe all we need is to strengthen the language to specify that the exclusion is for books that end up being published - thus allowing the usecase we have here without a concern. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:06, 7 February 2024 (EST)
  
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:::::I agree that the pub record should stay because it falls under "announced but never published" and agree with Ron that the problem with it as it stands is that the pub note gives the impression that the record has been created for the proof, not the unpublished book. Ron's tweak to the pub note solves this problem.
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:::::1) I agree that mentioning the proof in the pub note is a good idea. It is evidence that the book was announced.
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:::::2) I definitely think the cover image should be deleted. It should either be omitted or of the final cover. The latter assumes the publisher reached that stage and that we could find the image. All very unlikely. The cover image is more than just the artwork; it's also the colouring, wording, layout and typography and those aspects of the proof cover clearly wouldn't reflect the final version.
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:::::3) I would delete the OCLC/WorldCat External ID and just mention it in the pub note because it refers specifically to the uncorrected proof and not the unpublished final work.
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:::::4) I'm ambivalent about importing the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?950860 coverart record]. It's clear from the cover of the proof that Ron Walotsky was the intended artist so this falls under "announced but never published" but it would need a pub note explaining the source and why there's no image.
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:::::5) I'm broadly against making an exception for including ARC's / proofs when the book was unpublished although I do see Annie's point of view. But I think it's an unnecessary complication and veers back towards Ron's point about "encourage the addition of other proofs and ARC's especially by those editors who surmise rules by examples of what is already in the database" which is something I strongly agree we want to avoid. Also, if we do permit this exception, how do we implement it? Does it mean we would have two pub records: one for the unpublished work and one for the proof? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 07:46, 8 February 2024 (EST)
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::::::I've gone ahead and change the notes as discussed above.  I've also moved the Worldcat number and the cover into the notes so that it's clear the record is for the unpublished work and not for the proof.  I'll reject the held edit.  Let me know if someone disagrees with these changes.  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:47, 12 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?231886; Non-fiction should probably be by Allan Wright; Alan was an old-time illustrator. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:16, 13 August 2023 (EDT)
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== N. Carroll ==
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:Separated them out. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:36, 19 August 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Turkish Blatty ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?165703; The stories belong with the other Carroll but that ndp thing doesn't look right to me so maybe some other differing addition should replace it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:58, 7 February 2024 (EST)
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:Author attribution on the three stories, initially credited to Noël Carrol, has been corrected. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:57, 8 February 2024 (EST)
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::Thanks. I still think it's weird about that (ndp) because there's thousands of nom de plumes on ISFDB but this is the only one that has that added on the end of the name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:28, 8 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://archive.org/search?query=seytan+blatty; A Turkish (!) edition of The Exorcist got uploaded recently in case anyone fluent wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:01, 13 August 2023 (EDT)
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::: Well, we have some with (pseudonym) attached, and I'd think that'd be more meaningful (ndp isn't a colloquial abbreviation), or just a (I) attached. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:52, 8 February 2024 (EST)
  
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== Pulphouse Dates ==
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::::I don't think we should use any parentheticals if we can avoid it. Since we have the (I) thing we already use extensively, I think that would be the best option for any that are currently using "(pseudonym)" as a disambiguator. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:20, 8 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60072; Date for Landis and Frazier stories, both included in September 1991's The Best of Pulphouse, is 1991 and they are called reprints but the only entry for Issue Twelve on ISFDB is dated 1993. William F. Wu's bibliography, https://www.williamfwu.com/complete-list-of-short-fiction, has a confusing double listing for Issue Twelve, one in 1991 edited by K.K. Rusch and the other in 1993 edited by D.W. Smith, but ISFDB has them both as 1993 in Issue Twelve edited by K.K. Rusch. So I think all the original stories in Issue Twelve should really be dated 1991 unless there's something odd that I don't see. On a side note, a site named Anna's Archive uploaded several issues (#2-10 + Buried Treasures) of Pulphouse: The Hardback Magazine as PDF's. Authorized or not, they are there for research purposes in case anyone needs them; getting a real print copy of any of them is next to impossible because they were limited editions and most were bought up by collectors, so not exactly something you can find at your local library. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:51, 14 August 2023 (EDT)
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::::: There are reasons why I chose to set the author up as Noel Carroll (ndp). However, it's not worth our time to debate. I have changed it to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?373877 Noel Carroll]. Not sure that the standards imply that Roman numerals are the preferred dismbiguator. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_separate_two_authors_with_the_same_name Here] is the applicable help section. Thanks for your interest, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:06, 8 February 2024 (EST)
  
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== Jane Wagner(s) ? ==
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== Karen Simmons ==
  
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I do assume that there are two different Jane Wagners' works listed under [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?185286], some by the dramaturgist & script writer, the others by a fan. Would anybody know that the two are in fact one and the same person (else, it'd be better to separate the two)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:27, 15 August 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1117998; She's the wife of Dan Simmons, credited for author photograph in the HC which can be seen on eBay, [https://www.picclickimg.com/images/g/04sAAOSw1Mdltkv~/s-l1600.jpg], art is likely by one of the regular Headline cover artists, Chris Moore maybe, but I don't see a signature. So her credit should be removed. I noticed a 2nd printing of the Headline PB on Archive.org which has that same art (and price) but different blurbs on top and bottom so I'm going to enter that now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:37, 8 February 2024 (EST)
  
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== Living Dead Head ==
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:Hi! There's a primary verification by Faustus. It'd be meaningful if you contact him to shed some light on the actual credit. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:49, 8 February 2024 (EST)
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::Hi! There's no credit on the PB because there's no author photo like there is on the back of the HC. 2nd printing PB I just entered has no art credit. I'm sure someone here familiar with UK PB artists will identify it in some artist's book sooner or later but it's certainly not by Dan's wife. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:08, 8 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5742916; A foreign-language book I came across, as usual fluent people can probably improve after approval. One of the links I provided includes contents page in case anyone can decipher the small story titles and enter them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:49, 16 August 2023 (EDT)
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== Wesso ==
  
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== Far Out ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5885644; Wiki says 1893. Anyone here who can find proof it's really 1894? I looked for a headstone but couldn't find one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:49, 8 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5743690; I was going to delete the intro because it's not in the archived copy but then I noticed that the first story starts on p. 13 but there are much fewer than 12 pages preceding it so I have a suspicion that it fell out/got ripped out from this ragged ex-library copy. So if anyone owns this edition (I was surprised page numbers for stories weren't entered and even year was wrong; I assumed most of these old SF books were pretty much taken care of long ago) they can verify if intro is there and delete if it's not. I'm not sure what the "5+" in the page count was about so I removed it. No cover images in any usable places so if anyone wants to upload one they can do so although it's just the standard boring yellow Gollancz cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:22, 16 August 2023 (EDT)
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== Story about the Premiere of Rite of Spring ==
  
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== Smallcreep's Day ==
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I'm looking for the short story (probably from 1970s) about recreating the experience of the premiere of The Rite of Spring by giving all of the audience members a new drug. I believe this was in one of the better short story annuals of the era.
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?955909; [https://pictures.abebooks.com/inventory/22813368225_3.jpg]; Panther edition archived so I entered link and other stuff, says Peter C. on cover and title page, original Gollancz HC says Peter C. on cover but full name on title page as can be seen in photo linked above, so I'm mentioning this here because I can never remember if changing a name in one edition has a ripple effect; author's page has some info on it that might be erased (or not). Panther needs to be made a variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:03, 16 August 2023 (EDT)
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Most of my book collection is in storage, alas, so I can't find this by leafing through my old pulp. {{Unsigned2|17:38, February 8, 2024‎| Martycohen36 }}
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:Publication edit accepted, Panther edition unmerged from other, and new title varianted to old. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:02, 19 August 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== DF Lewis ==
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== Black Christmas ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1187; I've been adding links to some of this dude's hundreds of stories (and there are many more in obscure genre or non-genre publications that aren't on this site) since I've always wondered how someone whose writing was so incomprehensible and sometimes downright terrible managed to get published in so many places. It goes all the way back to when I would look forward each year to the new edition of Karl Edward Wagner's Year's Best Horror Stories which sadly ended 30 years ago. He included some Lewis tales and it always annoyed me because I knew he could have picked another story that was far better (and more horrific) but he seemed to have a touch of elitism where he would include pretentious and often barely-horror stories in each edition just to show his street cred, I guess. Anyway, many of the links I've been adding mention zines that are genre but not entered here; one that came up recently was End of the Millennium which featured Lewis in several issues. The story I added a link for was in #11 from 1999, which seems logical considering the title of the zine, but I (and the mod who initially rejected my edit) couldn't find any mention of it anywhere online except on Lewis-related sites. So if anyone can find verifiable info on any issues that would be good to enter. Take a look at this, https://nullimmortalis.wordpress.com/2010/08/20/dfl-partial-bibliography/, and marvel at all those obscure publications. It's a gold mine. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:09, 17 August 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?878255; While entering Wikipedia links for tons of novelizations I came across this rare 1976 one for the classic 1974 horror film. The original edition is apparently very rare because I've looked everywhere and can't find a copyright page that doesn't have the word FANGORIA on it because apparently Fangoria Magazine reprinted it in 2008 (although there is very little mention of this online). It does include the original info so I was able to enter the month (February, which is odd because you'd think it would be late in the year to capitalize on the holiday) but if anyone has a 1976 copy can you verify what it says on it? The film was Canadian and book says "Printed in Canada" so possibly it was only published there in which case the price will need a C added to it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:18, 9 February 2024 (EST)
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::I've entered many more story links recently but I thought I'd mention that when adding a link to "Dabbling With Diabelli" found at one of the author's dozens (literally) of websites I searched for a random line of the story's text on Google since that sometimes helps in finding stories online if the title is misspelled and only got one hit, https://books.google.com/books?id=4VVSsLbba9kC, so this guy actually got one of his fictions into a book of true-life tales! Unbelievable. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:39, 17 September 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Schwalme ==
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== Riddle of the Exodus ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=schwalm&type=Name; These 2 Germans are probably the same person; whether one is spelled wrong originally and needs to be a variant or whether it's entered wrong here and needs fixing and merging is the question. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:59, 17 August 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?185298; Not fiction, religious history book, https://openlibrary.org/works/OL8166080W/The_Riddle_of_the_Exodus?edition=key%3A/books/OL8566162M, probably should be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 9 February 2024 (EST)
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:Deleted. I question if the author of the religious book is the same author as of the BattleTech books. I couldn't find anything on the religious author's sites that connect him to the BattleTech books. I will ping the active verifier for the BattleTech book to see if there is an author blurb. If not (or it indicates it is a different author), I will remove the the current author info from {{A|James D. Long}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:31, 10 February 2024 (EST)
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::Philfreund has confirmed the BattleTech book provides no biographical information on the author. I have removed the author info from {{A|James D. Long}} as it is more than likely a different person. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:28, 11 February 2024 (EST)
  
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:Good find! This is in fact documented with the entry at DNB. I'll do the necessary pseudonyming. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:07, 19 August 2023 (EDT)
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== Mutant Chronicles ==
  
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== Another Dracula ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250352; I replaced the cover; if anyone knows about the old one, whether it was an early one that was rejected or if it belongs to a different edition, a note about early art or a new record for the other edition if it exists would be good. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:09, 11 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=another+dracula&type=All+Titles; 1930 publication of this title says it only appeared as a serial but there it is in one of the million Peter Haining anthologies in 1982 (with no question mark). Sadly, it's a William Kimber book, rare they are, so no archived copies. Richard Dalby site's copy doesn't help with any info that's not already here so if anyone owns it maybe they can say what the title is/if it's the full serial so it can be a variant or a merge. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:30, 18 August 2023 (EDT)
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== Lieutenant Teasdale R.O.N. ==
  
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== Feast of Laughter ==
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I need to make several changes to the pub records for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3126730 Lieutenant Teasdale R.O.N.]. The tp edition has a sole PV by the late Biomassbob but he somehow missed showing that Paula Goodlett is the co-author of the work. Amazon also shows the pub date for that edition as 2023-12-07, not 2023-12-02 as currently shown in the pub record. The 12-07 date makes more sense since all of the other self-published books by Gorg Hoff and Paula Goodlett have the ebook edition published the day prior to the tp edition. Any objection to my making changes? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:21, 12 February 2024 (EST)
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: Mistakes happen :) Go ahead - make sure the notes clarify where the date is coming from. And while you are there, we do not use "Independently published" as a publisher - so can you also fix that (author names are used when there is no publisher). I will sort out the other 2 we have under that publisher later today. Thanks for finding this one! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:44, 12 February 2024 (EST)
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::Done. I also corrected the title for the Interiorart maps record to match current standards. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:29, 12 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.feastoflaughter.org/; I have 4 PENDING edits replacing Google Drive links to issues 1-4 with the ones currently online but #5 apparently was never entered here. Differences between print and e. Mentioning this in case anyone feels like entering it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:38, 20 August 2023 (EDT)
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== Locus1 Secondary Verifications ==
  
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== Yoh-Vombis ==
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Occasionally I come across pubs that have been SVd to Locus1 solely on the basis of their mention as the first edition of a later publication. The first one I encountered, as a very rookie editor, was this one: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?197293 David Brin / Sundiver]. I asked the SVer, Rtrace, about it and received [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace/Archive15#David_Brin_.2F_Sundiver this explanation]. For the purposes of this thread I shall refer to these as "indirect listings".
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The most recent one I have encountered is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191929 David Gerrold / Chess with a Dragon] and it is this pub record that has prompted this thread because there is a clear contradiction between the SV to Locus1 and the pub note "Locus1 fails to list this pub (as of 2010-06-21)."
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So my question is: should these indirect listings be allowed as SVs to Locus1? If I ruled the world I would not permit them because I don't think they conform to a general user's expectation of a Locus1 listing and they can cause confusion and inconsistencies as demonstrated by the Gerrold record. However, I do not feel strongly about this. I accept Ron's point that these indirect listings provide at least as much information as Clute/Nicholls and if the consensus is that they should be allowed then I can live quite happily with this.
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However, if we do allow them then this Help page: [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Reference:Verification_Sources Reference:Verification_Sources] needs amendment. The matrix currently states that Locus1 provides "All" the information for fields such as Pages, Price and others but this is not true for the indirect listings. So either:
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Opinions please. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:38, 15 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Yoh-Vombis; No help there so if anyone else can help/owns a copy a response would be appreciated. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:40, 20 August 2023 (EDT)
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: An interesting point. So basically Locus1 has two types of records. One type covers editions published between 1984 and 2007 and includes publication details. The other type covers first editions (including editions published before 1984) and only lists their year and publisher. In an ideal world, we may want to create a separate Secondary Verification type for the latter and call it something like "Locus1-First Edition". Unfortunately, I am not sure it would be feasible since we have over [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/stats.cgi?2 50,000 Locus1 verifications] and separating them would be a very time-consuming project. If we decide not to do it, then I agree that we should update [[Reference:Verification_Sources]] to reflect the fact that not all Locus1-verified publication records can be expected to have publication level data.
  
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: As far as cases like {{A|David Gerrold}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191929 Chess with a Dragon] go, I would reword Notes. Instead of saying "Locus1 fails to list this pub (as of 2010-06-21)", I would say something like "Locus1 doesn't have a detailed record for this edition, but multiple records for reprint editions refer to it as the first edition." [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:48, 16 February 2024 (EST)
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::Yes, I realised when I started the thread that if we disallow the Locus1 indirect listings there could be a legacy issue of past records SVd to Locus1 that would be difficult to amend. This is often a problem when rules and standards are changed. So although in theory I would vote to disallow these cases, I accept it is not practical to do so. Consequently I am happy with leaving them as they are and updating [[Reference:Verification_Sources]] to reflect the fact that not all Locus1-verified publication records can be expected to have publication level data, which we both agree with.
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::I am working on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191929 David Gerrold / Chess with a Dragon] and so will incorporate the change to the Locus1 pub note as you suggest. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:08, 16 February 2024 (EST)
  
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● Just to let people know [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?70167 Phantasmagoria] as listed on this site is really <b>Phantasmagoria Special Edition</b>.  <b>Phantasmagoria</b> and <b>Phantasmagoria Special Edition</b> are two different magazines. Unless anybody minds, I’m going to have to change this soon. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:38, 21 August 2023 (EDT)
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::: Hearing no objection, I have clarified the "Locus1" row of [[Reference:Verification Sources]]. Thanks for identifying this issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:12, 26 February 2024 (EST)
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::::Thank you. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:27, 2 March 2024 (EST)
  
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== Weir - Project Hail Mary ==
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== Necronomicon in Sweden ==
  
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I have the {{P|914539|2022 edition}} of this title and it contains the two pages of rocket diagrams by David Lindroth (credited, as noted in similar pubs, on the copyright page as "Rocket diagrams: © David Lindroth Inc.").
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=d+bergho&type=Name; First name likely misspelled by PV (or magazine it appeared in) and essay is in second name's record with a much earlier date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:47, 15 February 2024 (EST)
  
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Currently, Lindroth's diagrams are titled "Project Hail Mary". So far, so good, but the diagrams are titled "Thrust Configuration" at the top left of the first of the two pages. Because they <i>are</i> titled, I propose retitling {{T|2864563|this title}} as "Thrust Configuration" (no disambiguation needed). Would this be correct? Also, there doesn't seem to be any difference to warrant separation in {{T|3167979|this title}} and so it could be merged. Comments please. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:27, 21 August 2023 (EDT)
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== Garland Library of SF ==
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:No objection to your proposals. Seems useful and clear, and not overly burdensome for verifiers. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 14:43, 21 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Concerning the duplicate title, those can be merged (seems unlikely that there'd be (meaningful) differences between editions).
 
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:::''and has no apparent title or caption,'' is the qualifying part of that first sentence. That's why I wrote "Because they <i>are</i> titled". Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:05, 22 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?8067; I made a couple of edits adding archived link, LCCN and cover image to Past Master when I noticed that there is 1 book in the series with a UK price and 1 without any price. So if anyone can fill in the missing one and add US one (moving UK to notes) for the other then everything will be uniform. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:44, 16 February 2024 (EST)
  
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The author has requested we change his canonical name from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?186596 Lou J. Berger] to "Lou J Berger" (no period after the "J"). See mod note [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5878281 here]. Any objections? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:32, 16 February 2024 (EST)
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: Checking Amazon.com's Look Inside, I see that the name was spelled "Lou J. Berger" in 2013-2014 and changed to "Lou J Berger" in 2015/2016. By now the majority of the stories use the "Lou J Berger" form of the name, so it should be our canonical name. We just need to make sure that we use the right form for the transitional (2015-2016) period. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:05, 16 February 2024 (EST)
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:::::{{T|954582|Here}} {{T|3175000|and here}} is an example where a single piece of untitled artwork is used in both independent and associated contexts; as a frontispiece and embedded in a short story. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:14, 24 August 2023 (EDT)
 
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I recently added links to the handful of random print issues of Locus that are on Archive.org, one a very early issue and the others more recent, but I just stumbled on a huge cache of microfilmed 1973-2015 issues uploaded by MicrofilmIssueGenerator so I added a link, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5893289. Not sure if this is known about already but if not I'm sure it will come in handy here for research. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:39, 16 February 2024 (EST)
  
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We have thousands of French publications which use "Achevé D'Imprimer" and "Dépôt Légal" in Notes. For example, consider [https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?874559 Aux portes de l'épouvante], which says:
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* Achevé D'Imprimer = None on book
 
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== Sword of the Samurai ==
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Most of our users are presumably not familiar with these terms. How about we create simple (i.e. no parameters, just explanatory text) Notes templates of the same names explaining what they mean? Once the new templates are defined, I can create a database script to replace "Achevé D'Imprimer" and "Dépôt Légal" with <nowiki>"{{Achevé D'Imprimer}}" and "{{Dépôt Légal}}"</nowiki>. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:16, 21 August 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5894874; I have owned a copy since the 1980s and PV it here in 2022, copy uploaded to Archive.org last summer but not added until a few days ago, I think I got the right page count but if anyone disagrees feel free to tweak it a bit, you don't have to ask me. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:41, 18 February 2024 (EST)
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:I see a note in the UK edition's record here says [236] so I think they counted the illustration between the first 19 pages and the start of the novel itself. Should that count? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:44, 18 February 2024 (EST)
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::I would count it one way or the other, either as part of the introductory material (so, technically on [20]) or as part of the main material. A page number on that first page of main text would have been a useful guide....  I found an eBay listing of the Puffin edition that has some interior photographs.  Not of the page in question, but the TOC and other leading material looks identical to what Archive.org shows for the edition you have.  Extrapolating that to content that follows it suggests Reginald did count that illustration as part of the main material.  Given the [236] there, what I will do is tweak your count to [236] and add a note about the illustration's appearance relative to the text on the surrounding pages. Just trying to save you an edit cycle; feel free to adjust it to be however you prefer -- I do not mean to insist on anything.  --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:07, 18 February 2024 (EST)
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== Bibliographic impact of the 2023 Hugo Awards ==
  
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:: A quick clarification to make sure that we are all on the same page. The proposal wouldn't change the way "Achevé D'Imprimer" and "Dépôt Légal" are displayed. It would only add mouse-over bubbles explaining what the terms mean. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:38, 22 August 2023 (EDT)
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The current pre-release cover of {{A|Samantha Mills}}'s debut novel [https://www.amazon.com/Wings-Upon-Her-Back-ebook/dp/B0CVS2RDH8 ''The Wings Upon Her Back''] says "Nebula and Hugo Award Winner". On 2024-02-17 Mills disavowed the award and announced that she would have "Hugo winner" removed from future editions of the book:
  
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* [https://samtasticbooks.com/2024/02/17/rabbit-test-unwins-the-hugo/ “Rabbit Test” unwins the Hugo]: ... on Tuesday I’ll send a very awkward email to my agent and editor summarizing the situation ... and figure out the logistics of removing “Hugo winner” from the ebook and future printings. The first print run will be a limited edition novelty, I suppose? Jeez.
  
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:::: What about : "Achevé d'imprimer" = "printing completed on…" (note not ''all'' AIs are dated) and "Dépôt légal" = "officially registered on…" ? The "dépôt légal" also implies that the publisher is legally expected to send one or two copies of the new book to the BnF (Bibliothèque nationale de France). Furthermore, it would be necessary to explain, I think, that the date of the "dépôt légal” can differ sensibly from the printing date, as it is a purely formal business, which can easily follow the date of actual publication by a few months (I know, this happened to some of my own books…). [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 08:45, 23 August 2023 (EDT).
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* On February 14, a report written by Jason Sanford and Chris M. Barkley was simultaneously released on the [https://jasonsanford.substack.com/p/the-2023-hugo-awards-a-report-on Genre Grapevine] and [https://file770.com/the-2023-hugo-awards-a-report-on-censorship-and-exclusion/ File770]. ... we also got a look at [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rhCwKLMydCto6HvXvcqjR553DqrhTfBu/view the validation list itself], aka the tables of frontrunner nominees being vetted for the final ballot, and a horrible pattern emerged, especially in the fiction categories: there were a whole lot of Chinese nominees in frontrunner positions who just… vanished, and never made it onto the final ballot. There were so many, in fact, that if I am reading this document correctly: ''not a single fiction winner'' (short story, novelette, novella, novel, or series) would have even been a finalist if those nominees hadn’t been taken off.
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* Update the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78890 “Rabbit Test” Award record] to indicate that the author disavowed the award, similar to how [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?9534 this award record] explains that {{A|Judy-Lynn del Rey}}'s posthumous "Best Professional Editor" award was refused by her husband {{A|Lester del Rey}}.
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* Keep an eye on [https://www.amazon.com/Wings-Upon-Her-Back-ebook/dp/B0CVS2RDH8 ''The Wings Upon Her Back''] to make sure that the correct covers are used for the first and any subsequent editions of the novel.
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:::::: On the whole the French statements for printing & legal deposit strike me to be very similar to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?613648 this (German) publication], where there are statements for the month of printing ("Printed in Germany 4/2001") as well as for the month of publication ("Deutsche Erstausgabe 6/2001") to be found (with the actual month of distributing 5/2001). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:38, 23 August 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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::::::: Ahasuerus and Christian : Yes, “achevé d'imprimer” corresponds to the date of the last copy of the run. Printing date and publication date can be indeed very close, but there's no strict rule about it. In any case, the "dépôt légal" normally comes some time after, as the books have to exist physically to be sent to the BnF. Officially, you are supposed to send some copies within three months after publication, but that delay is not always respected, for all sorts of reasons. This is from my own experience as an occasional publisher : the "dépôt légal" date has to be printed in the book ''before'' the actual registration, which can only take place after the book is printed — and sometimes months after publication, the estimated DL date being then purely theoretical. In the case of successive reprints, some publishers indicate a new DL each time, as well as the initial one, but some dont bother, and the only way to date the book is the printing date. As for a DL preceding the AI, like Christian, I don't remember coming across the case. But the ''copyright'' (not to be confused with DL) can easily precede AI and DL : quite a few re-editions only state the initial copyright of the book, although printed years after the first publication. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 05:22, 24 August 2023 (EDT).
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: Earlier today {{A|Adrian Tchaikovsky}} disavowed his 2023 Hugo award for Best Series on [https://adriantchaikovsky.com/ his Web site]. The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78915 award record] has been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:56, 21 February 2024 (EST)
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::These notes are exactly the correct action for us, I think.  If we had notes for an award year, it would probably be desirable to add something for the 2023 Hugos. Although, getting a properly neutral description of the controversy free of personal biases (and I have many in this instance), would be tricky. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)
  
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::: Perhaps either this fan or other members of the 2023 Hugo committee may clarify matters at some point. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:33, 22 February 2024 (EST)
  
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::: One thing that comes to mind is that we could change the way opening sentences are phrased. Instead of the current "1674 valid ballots cast, 944 valid ballots cast in category" we could say something like "According to the [https://www.thehugoawards.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/2023-Hugo-Award-Stats-Final.pdf voting statistics] released [https://www.thehugoawards.org/2024/01/2023-nominating-and-final-ballot-statistics-published/?ref=astrolabe.aidanmoher.com on 2024-01-20], there were 1674 valid ballots cast, 944 valid ballots cast in category". It's not much, but it would at least clarify which version of the stats our records use. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:20, 22 February 2024 (EST)
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::::I've added your suggested text to the records in the Best Novel category. In addition to the ballot count at the head, I've also added it to the nomination numbers at the foot.  I think it's more important there as that is where there is evidence of shenanigans. In any case, let me know if it looks good and I can update the remaining records or we tweak it if desired. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:26, 27 February 2024 (EST)
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::::: Everything looks good, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:40, 27 February 2024 (EST)
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:: I recall that award year notes has been suggested before and there may be a feature request, though I suspect that how the award tables are structured may make this difficult. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)
  
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::: Yes, indeed. {{FR|1086}}, "Change the award year field to a drop-down list", says "Create a new record type for award years. We can call it something like "award year" or "award ceremony". Once we have it, we will be able to add notes to award years. Notes can be used to specify when the awards were announced, when and where they were given, eligibility rules changes, etc." Unfortunately, as you said, it would be fairly time-consuming to implement. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 22 February 2024 (EST)
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?874559 Here] is an example. If everything looks OK, I can create a database script and auto-update all Notes that use "Achevé D'Imprimer" and/or "Dépôt Légal". As I mentioned earlier, we can always tweak the template language later. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:15, 28 August 2023 (EDT)
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:: In any case, I do have one suggestion for the del Rey award record. We currently have the explanation of the non-acceptance of the award noted in the title field of what should be an untitled award. Perhaps we didn't have award level notes at the point that award was added. I feel that the verbiage in the title should be moved to notes and replaced with "untitled". --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)
  
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::: I agree. It's exactly as you said -- award records didn't have a Notes field back then. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 22 February 2024 (EST)
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::::I've updated [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?9534 this] and expanded the comment as a note taking my queue from Judy-Lynn's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy-Lynn_del_Rey Wikipedia article].  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:26, 27 February 2024 (EST)
  
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::::: Thanks. I have hyper-linked Lester del Rey's name and clarified that he was Judy-Lynn's husband. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:40, 27 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?22308; On all of the web there seems to be only 1 mention of Borgo Press and Kater-Bound together, https://www.lawrenceperson.com/?p=22429, although it does get a handful of hits in a text search, https://archive.org/search?query=%22kater-bound%22+%22borgo%22&sin=TXT&sort=-addeddate. This Archive.org page, https://archive.org/search?query=compton+farewell+bliss&sort=-addeddate, shows 2 editions with one being Borgo but with price on front covered and Kater-Bound sticker on back. Could this be the mysterious Borgo HC mentioned in the book's record? Also, the note about artist is wrong because he's credited on copyright page and back cover, the latter of which can be seen in the cover image. TP PV doesn't respond much so I'm asking on this board. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:09, 19 February 2024 (EST)
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:The Archive.org copy is a library book, and Kater-Craft does library bindings. I believe it is not uncommon to have a retail hardcover edition and a library-binding hardcover edition of the same book. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 17:44, 19 February 2024 (EST)
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::Believe it or not, I have library hardcover versions of Ace Doubles.  All should be listed in my opinion. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 01:00, 20 February 2024 (EST)
  
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== Miriam Allen de Ford ==
  
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Per the ''Spaces in Names'' subsection of [[:Template:PublicationFields:Author]], Miriam Allen de Ford should be standardized as {{A|Miriam Allen deFord}}. However, we have a {{A|Miriam Allen de Ford}} alternate name which was recently edited so the notes copy the rules saying it should be standardized. Instead, I propose we merge the alternate name to the canonical name in accordance with the rules. As there are a number of verified pubs, I will point the verifiers to the this discussion, If there are any objections, then we should probably have a Rules and standards discussions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:28, 19 February 2024 (EST)
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:I guess it would be like calling somebody named MacIntosh being called Mac Intosh.  Still, I'll go with the majority. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:58, 20 February 2024 (EST)
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::No objection to merging, but I think the actual spelling of the name should be made clear in the notes. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 04:06, 20 February 2024 (EST).
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:::No objection, I had three pubs, two in Croatian language I already corrected, but I have also one in Serbian language. In Serbian language names are written as they are pronounced, in this case same as written. Should I change this one as well? This is publication in question: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2277217 {{unsigned|Debolestis}}
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5749433; Hey, active PV Kraang, Rtrace, Rudam, GlennMcG, should page count be upped by 1 with a note about last page being unnumbered? Because there's a full-page drawing after the last numbered page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:28, 22 August 2023 (EDT)
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== Ruben De Anda ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1476655; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2552505; Can anyone find proof that these are the same artists? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:45, 20 February 2024 (EST)
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:I don't know. But [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107431 The Galaxy Primes] (Ace 1976) appears also to be signed by R. De Anda. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] ([[User talk:Horzel|talk]]) 08:52, 23 February 2024 (EST)
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::Probably is but since last name is mostly covered it's hard to tell. PV Willem H. noted that it may be Rafael M. De Soto but I doubt it because he has no original cover credits on ISFDB after 1964 and this book is from 1976. There's a copy on Archive.org which I've added a link to in a PENDING edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:44, 23 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5750006; It's definitely Neilsen; I did a text search on Archive.org and the only other book with the misspelled name is Newton's Cannon, but I didn't change it there because there's many editions she's credited on here for that book; I did add Archive.org links to book club HC and Del Rey PB and it's Neilsen in both, with at least 1 note here mentioning (sic) for the name but entering it under her canonical name, anyway. So if anyone cares, her name will need to be changed. Also, there seem to be 2 separate map credits that may be the same, 1 uncredited and 1 with an artist named, so that's an issue, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:41, 22 August 2023 (EDT)
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== Steve Miller: RIP ==
  
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For those who may not have seen an announcement, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?214 Steve Miller], co-author of the Liaden Universe, et al., died on February 20, 2024 at his home in Maine. His wife, author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?418 Sharon Lee], posted [https://korval.com/2024/02/21/steven-richard-miller-1950-2024/ this obituary]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:41, 22 February 2024 (EST)
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:I added photo from FantLab which is a little bigger and shows his face better than Fantastic Fiction's photo. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:42, 22 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?1012; I added Archive.org links to all 3 and fixed/added some other stuff. What should be the standard for the titles? Either they should all start with "Batman in" or they shouldn't because Batman is the series. Which ones need fixing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:26, 23 August 2023 (EDT)
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== Last User Activity ==
  
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== Richard Drew Publishing / Richard Drew ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?895338; What does this mean exactly? There was a question of contacting this PV RedDragonBooks about something related to a mod note I made and checking their page the last answer they gave or contribution they made was in spring of 2022 but the activity at the bottom of the record linked above says a few days ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:03, 22 February 2024 (EST)
  
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Any objection to merging [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1278 Richard Drew] into [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?82332 Richard Drew Publishing]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:08, 23 August 2023 (EDT)
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:There are two databases: The wiki and the bibliographic database. What you see for User Contributions on their user/talk page is just their Wiki edits. What you see for Last User Activity in the verifiers' list is the date of their last activity in the bibliographic side -- the Wiki software does not know about that, only about the Wiki. That user did some verifications on 2024-02-18 but hasn't posted anything to the wiki in the past couple of years. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:56, 22 February 2024 (EST)
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:Depends on how they are listed on the title pages of the publications in question. It's possible it changed over time. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:56, 23 August 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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:: Just a quick note to clarify that the software that displays the Last User Activity date checks both the Wiki side and the database side. It then displays the latest date that it finds. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:36, 22 February 2024 (EST)
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::* From the Publisher Field Template - "Where multiple forms of a name exist, it is not important to always enter exactly the form of the name as it appears on the book. For example, an imprint may say "A Tor Book", "Tor", "Tor Books", "Tor Books Science Fiction", or "Tor: A Tom Doherty Associates Book". Sometimes several of these varying forms will be on a single book. These can be converted to a canonical form; in this case "Tor" would be the sensible choice. The ISFDB does not currently have a page to identify and document canonical forms for publishers but may do so in the future"
 
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::* There is nothing in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1278 these four] which supports 'Richard Drew' as the publisher. From the above referenced template - "The publisher has in the past not been a key entity in the ISFDB.", engendering little confidence in the entries. The secondary verifications , added much later, use their own canonical names. Reginald3 uses 'Richard Drew' and British Library uses 'Drew'.
 
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::* [https://archive.org/search?query=mediatype%3A%28texts%29+AND+Publisher%3A%28Richard+Drew%29 Here] are the 17 scans for Richard Drew published books currently in the internet archive. All of them show 'Richard Drew Publishing'.
 
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== Chandler Award? ==
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== Ermengarde Fisk = Evelyn E. Smith? ==
  
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It looks like we don't have an Award Type for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandler_Award The A. Bertram Chandler Award for Outstanding Achievement in Australian Science Fiction], which is [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/chandler_award listed by SFE]. It's presented by [https://fancyclopedia.org/Australian_Science_Fiction_Foundation Australian Science Fiction Foundation], which, judging by the Web site, may be moribund as of 2023, but they kept the award going for 3 decades. Should we add it? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:01, 23 August 2023 (EDT)
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One of my friends pointed me at [https://www.fanac.org/fanzines/Oopsla/Oopsla10.pdf#view=Fit issue #10 of the 'zine Oopsla], specifically page 13. The "SHORT STORIES" section says:
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:Seems like a good one to have recorded here. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 21:23, 23 August 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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:: Hearing no objection, I created a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?111 new Award Type record] and added the awards earlier today. I also discovered that we already had almost half of the awards entered under a separate Ditmar Award category. Although usually given at the same annual Australian convention, the Ditmar award and the Chandler award are two different awards given by different people (fan-voted vs. juried), so I moved the data to the new Award Type. Hopefully everything looks OK now. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:53, 28 August 2023 (EDT)
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  Third goes to another brand-new author, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1254 Evelyn E. Smith] ... is better known to fandom as the pseudonymous authoress of the "New York Letter" column in Slant--yeah, that's right, she's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?266764 Ermengarde Fiske].
  
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== Damon Wilson ==
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As I don't know what the accuracy of fan writing was like nearly two decades before I was born, I don't know how reliable this info might be.  Any objections to varianting these author records?  [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:49, 23 February 2024 (EST)
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: We already have a pseudonym there: Evelyn Smythe (intentional corruption of Evelyn Smyth E.?) which I think is based exactly on the note you cited above. I am not sure if we have enough evidence to connect the two Evelyn E. Smith's though - while very very likely, the name is not very uncommon. Maybe add some notes to both accounts until we find a better proof that the two are one and the same? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:50, 23 February 2024 (EST)
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:: Never mind, I looked at the fanzine itself now - you actually missed the smoking gun while quoting - that award over there is for a story that belongs to Evelyn E. Smith (Tea Tray in the Sky) - so yes, they are the same person. Connect them away. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:54, 23 February 2024 (EST)
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::: This is now done.  Had a bit of a headscratcher with Ermengarde Fiske having its own alternate names, but I think everything is now correct, with all the authors pointing at Evelyn E. Smith as the canonical, and all of the title records having parent titles with that author record.  However I wouldn't say no if someone wants to double check that everything is now as it should be.  Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:44, 27 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?394521; Damon is Colin's son, I was going to add links in notes to each other but this is true-crime stuff, not really eligible on here, they wrote like a thousand of these things together, so I think book should be removed and maybe just zine review kept. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:05, 24 August 2023 (EDT)
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== J. Watson ==
  
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: I have added notes and third party URLs to the two author records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:01, 28 August 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?224483; What do you suggest is best to add to differ 1966 Thunderbirds artist from Leading Edge writer/artist? He's on Wikipedia so I'll add that link (as Jim Watson). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 24 February 2024 (EST)
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::So this book is eligible? Because if it is there's a whole lot of other stuff like it by them; really depressing stuff. I hope people here didn't agree at some point recently that true-crime books are eligible now for some reason because if they are there's like thousands of them; maybe this one gets by because the elder Wilson is above the threshold? On a side note, the title of this book differs from what it says on the cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:08, 28 August 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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::: Sorry, I missed that part. {{A|Colin Wilson}} is presumably "above the threshold" because he wrote a dozen SF novels and numerous books/articles about SF (like ''Science Fiction As Existentialism'') and about SF authors like Tolkien, van Vogt, David Lindsay and Lovecraft. That's why we list his non-genre books, including his non-genre non-fiction. Some of them, like ''The Book of Time'' and ''From Atlantis to the Sphinx'', are SF-adjacent but may not have been eligible if he were not "above the threshold". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:42, 28 August 2023 (EDT)
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: See [[Help:How_to_separate_two_authors_with_the_same_name]] for ideas. Looks like "James Watson (1960s)" would work here and might be more helpful than "(I)". The situation is quite similar to the Jame Cooper examples given in that bullet. In light of the disparity in volume between their bibliographies, I think you could treat the James Watson from the 1980s as "more prominent/widely known in the Spec-Fic world" and leave it with no embedded disambiguation. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:04, 25 February 2024 (EST)
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::OK, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:30, 25 February 2024 (EST)
  
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== Steir or Stier ==
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== Tem Title ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?79153; I added Archive.org link and cover image to Doubleday edition of Leonard Daventry's Twenty-One Billionth Paradox, cover artist on ISFDB is Pat Stier (probably taken from SFE since there's no PV), Pat Steir is a well-known artist who's a lady, I added an edit noting her birth name from Wiki, thing is Wiki says she was born in 1940, not 1938, so does anyone know when she was really born and also if anyone owns a jacketed copy of Paradox let us know because I've also made an edit making Stier a variant of Steir but it could be Steir in the book and SFE was just mistaken in which case it would just need to be corrected without a variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:02, 24 August 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?67830; Archived link to recently uploaded Chrysalis 9 HC just added by me in a PENDING edit, PV doesn't respond much, PB has one or two active PV so if they can verify it's Hit-and-Run there, too, not Hit-and-Miss, title should be changed. I vaguely remember asking about this long ago after noticing title was different in Tem's online bibliography. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:32, 25 February 2024 (EST)
  
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== Death Tour ==
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== The Hole of the Pit ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5751841; A curse on these ex-library copies with no jackets. If anyone has a jacketed copy let us know because it's possible "Joe Chiodo" may not be what's actually on the back flap or wherever it is (only site online I can find that mentions Chiodo and Death Tour together is something called Paperback Palette but artist is credited as Charles Chiodo which is definitely wrong because he's half of a well-known special effects team with his brother; they directed the all-time classic KILLER KLOWNS FROM OUTER SPACE in the 1980's). EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5751849; Here's a lesson in never trusting info found on a random blog. Incidentally, the blog where that wrong info came from, http://markwestwriter.blogspot.com/, is on hiatus so I hope there's nothing wrong with Mr. West. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:33, 24 August 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive53#Uncanny_Banquet_and_Leisure; Exactly a year-and-a-half ago I asked about Uncanny Banquet and noted the rare novel contained in it; a copy of the Oleander Press edition including the novel with a short story and a poem was recently added to Archive.org so I've added a link in a PENDING edit. Still waiting for a copy of that anthology to show up somewhere...anywhere. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 25 February 2024 (EST)
  
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== L. Rey ==
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== Series sort order? ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?122809; I added Archive.org link to first book, by Colin Wilson, previous book in the series said Luis Rey for the cover, this one said Louis, I made Louis a variant of Luis and made variants of Wilson book's cover art and Spock's World, too (copy on eBay), but that UK House on the Borderland eluded me. So if anyone owns it/can find it and it does say Louis then you can variant it to Luis or change it to Luis if it says that. Then the only question will be how many of the 60+ credits by Luis really say Luis and how many actually say Louis but the editor didn't notice or they did notice but just entered his regular name, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:24, 25 August 2023 (EDT)
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I was looking at a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?2278 page for a series] and couldn't figure out the basis for the order of the sub-series. First come the numbered sub-series, in numerical order. Then the 'loose' items in chronological order. Then come the unnumbered sub-series, which are neither alphabetical or chronological by any of their contained titles. Is there a particular order to them? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 09:04, 28 February 2024 (EST)
  
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== Das große Buch der Märchen, Sagen und Gespenster ==
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: The only order that the display software enforces is as you described above: all numbered sub-series are displayed first and the rest are displayed randomly. I think it would be fairly easy to display unnumbered sub-series alphabetically. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:36, 28 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://archive.org/search?query=dasgrossebuchder0000unse_e5m6; While adding links to some Franz Rottensteiner books I saw this one which doesn't seem to be here in case anyone German-fluent would like to enter it; it has a good selection of stories. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:52, 25 August 2023 (EDT)
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::: (after edit conflict) A more thorough review discovered that Summary pages were already sorting unnumbered sub-series alphabetically. I have adjusted the software to do the same on Series pages. Thanks for identifying the problem! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:36, 28 February 2024 (EST)
  
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::Since series tend to be written in order, displaying the unnumbered titles in chronological order may make more sense.  Although, sub-series wouldn't have a date and extrapolating the date from the earliest contained title would be more complex.  Perhaps, numbered items followed by unnumbered sub-series followed by everything else in chronological order.  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:34, 28 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?21549; A while back I went on a long run of adding cover images and artist/author photos to books from Poland using FantLab mostly; today I accidentally stumbled on 2 more photos of Kiwerski and Kacperek and added those (plus a lot of other stuff for Kiwerski). I noticed that the above-linked publisher has very few images added, for example the 58 non-series books have a grand total of 10 images, so anyone more familiar than me with the language may want to work on this. Some of them seem to be on Google Books. A guy whose name escapes me right now was adding a lot of stuff years before I started editing, his name kept popping up as PV, but either he quit or passed on or something because a lot of his books were left unfinished with stuff missing. EDIT: Don't bother doing what I did and try to find images on Amazon by entering a search for a book's ISBN without the dashes; I tried several and got nothing except the usual car parts for sale that happen to have an ID number that matches the book or a bunch of scantily-dressed ladies on some sketchy site that offers "dates" and identifies each woman by a number, I suppose. I've seen more of those over the last few years than I can count and many of them I wish I didn't see. EDIT: I came across this, https://fantlab.ru/edition207519, which doesn't seem to be on ISFDB and is certainly genre-related. FantLab's note says it's the second English issue so there's an earlier one (not on FantLab) plus an unknown number in Polish. EDIT: Surprisingly there are only 5 publishers on ISFDB with Poland in their name but there's all sorts of stuff still to be done for them. A quick check reveals that 1) the missing cover art credit for one of Empire's Who books is a re-arranged version of the 1991 Target / Virgin English edition by Alister Pearson, 2) the Jaguar books include 5 TP and 2 PB so likely the PB should be TP, too, and Time*Out is missing cover image which is likely the same as the other editions, plus last 3 books are missing cover artists, 3) Phantom has 5 TP and 3 PB so likely the PB should be TP, too, and Card's book is missing cover image, and the 2 books with prices were entered differently (00 at the end of one of them), plus Poland was misspelled as Polan in the publisher note, 4) four of the seven Solaris books are missing cover artists and one that has an artist has an unknown format, 5) Victoria book is missing cover, searching for ISBN without dashes in Google Images only finds half-naked escort photos but I think this, https://polter.pl/ksiazki/Rozanooka-n19312, might be the right image. I'm sure I missed a few things. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:38, 26 August 2023 (EDT)
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::: Could you please clarify what you mean by "items" in this case? Series may contain both title records and sub-series records. They use different, unrelated, numbering systems. For example, a series may contain 3 titles numbered "0.5", "1" and "2", as well as two sub-series numbered "1" and "2". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:36, 28 February 2024 (EST)
  
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::::I intended items to mean both title records amd sub-series records, either of which may be numbered.  What I was suggesting is that within a series (parent), each numbered item would display based on the numbering.  In your example, there would be a conflict as there are both titles numbered "1" and "2" and sub-series numbered "1" and "2".  Ideally, we would never assert that both a title and a sub-series should occur first in the parent series. Clearly, numbering only applies within the parent series.  I believe that for numbered "items", I am not suggesting any changes to how things currently work.  I had suggested a chronological sort for the remaining items based on your now corrected statement that they were displayed randomly.  Given that we're already sorting alphabetically, it's probably fine to leave things as they are, unless others think a chronological sort would be preferable. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:13, 28 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2550; This is the only one in the series without a cover artist, note says there's no signature but I think there is, lower right corner, tried several legit (?) image enlargers online but didn't really help, someone else here may be able to identify it. I also added Archive.org links and a few other things to a whole bunch of Analog anthologies by Stanley Schmidt. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 02:02, 26 August 2023 (EDT)
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== BattleTech Universe ==
  
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The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?1991 BattleTech Universe] series and it's sub-series all list having an Issue Grid, which suggests they are Serials / Magazines. They look like books to me. Is it a mistake in the software or entry? Might the existence of one Serial in the series propagate? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 09:12, 29 February 2024 (EST)
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: Yep - if there is one magazine series somewhere in the sub series inside of a bigger series, the whole set and any sunsets of it shows the grid links. It is how the software is built. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:00, 29 February 2024 (EST)
  
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:: Good catch. {{Bug|842}}, "Extraneous 'View Issue Grid' links on series pages", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:15, 29 February 2024 (EST)
  
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== Database Backup ==
  
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== Hitler's Crystal ==
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Can you please save the database with InnoDB utf8mb4 so accented and Chinese characters will show up correctly? As it now with MyISAM utf8, Иван Константинович Айвазовский shows up as &#1048;&#1074;&#1072;&#1085;&#1050;&#1086;&#1085;&#1089;&#1090;&#1072;&#1085;&#1090;&#1080;&#1085;&#1086;&#1074;&#1080;&#1095; &#1040;&#1081;&#1074;&#1072;&#1079;&#1086;&#1074;&#1089;&#1082;&#1080;&#1081;. It makes it hard to work with the database and makes it a lot larger than it has to be. {{unsigned|Catpoolfan}}
  
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https://openlibrary.org/works/OL20092886W/Predator?edition=key%3A/books/OL27272937M; For some reason the image for Predator shows 4 covers; one looks like a thriller with a gun, one's a romance novel, but that other one ... please let it be real. Online search only finds it on lpbooks.com (Lion & Phoenix), calls it #2 in the DimeNovel series. Otherwise, very little info. I know that company was shady and didn't pay their authors but some books were still published. If anyone can find proof of the Hitler book (and assuming it's genre) let us know. A text search for publisher and title/author and title on Archive.org both only found 1 hit, a mention in a 1992 issue of Science Fiction Chronicle which also mentions a few other titles not on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:00, 26 August 2023 (EDT)
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: For historical reasons -- the ISFDB project started in 1995 -- ISFDB tables use "latin1_swedish_ci". You can see it if you run "SELECT TABLE_CATALOG, TABLE_SCHEMA, TABLE_NAME, TABLE_COLLATION FROM INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES" in MySQL. Non-Latin-1 Unicode characters are stored in the database as HTML entities. When you see "&#1081;" (i.e. "&#1081") displayed, that's because that's what's stored in the database.
  
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== Dark Star ==
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: There are plans to migrate from HTML entities to native Unicode, but it will be a major project with a number of dependencies. There is no ETA at this time. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:42, 1 March 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5753574; Only after I entered my edit did I notice that someone had written a price note of their own. Since this was published by an American company the $ price should be the one entered, I think, but what should be done with the UK note? Just erase it or leave it with an added "British price was" note or something similar? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?92985; artist and essay/review writer are 2 different people. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:40, 27 August 2023 (EDT)
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== I Stole You ==
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:Add to the notes something along the lines of "British price of 7/6 from British Science-Fiction Bibliography", hence no information gets lost. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 07:10, 28 August 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Uncle Stephen ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?60942+2017; A copy of Tripping... was recently uploaded so I added a link and the stories' numbers, there's also supposedly a copy of Ringman's collection but when I saw the red hardcover I knew that couldn't be right and it wasn't; it's a copy of some old romance novel by Jane Aiken Hodge. I checked all the usual sites but can't get contents page of TP so if anyone can or owns a copy fill in the page numbers if you wish. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:40, 1 March 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1028679; I added FantLab cover (cover image doesn't seem to be in very many places online for some reason) to first Tartarus record which was entered in the very early days of public editing here, but the Fixer robot entered the same book from Amazon in 2019. Page count is more accurate in the first record with Roman numerals but later record does include the day, so should second record be deleted and day of publication added to date of first record? Also, ISBN aren't exactly the same so maybe that's why the robot thought the book had never been entered. Sorry, Skynet. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:51, 28 August 2023 (EDT)
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== Mandarin ==
  
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== FortuneCity ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5905095; Is anyone familiar with Mandarin paperbacks who can say why ISBN on back cover doesn't match any other Mandarin PB on ISFDB which (almost) all start with 0-7493? This book's ISBN, 0-09, seems to have been used by Cresset per online searching but there is no mention of them anywhere in it; a couple of Cresset Editions books on ISFDB do have an ISBN which starts with that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:14, 2 March 2024 (EST)
  
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https://fanlore.org/wiki/List_of_FortuneCity_Fansites; This link may be useful; it contains much genre-related material. Whoever compiled this huge thing deserves a medal. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:00, 30 August 2023 (EDT)
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== Donkerste Dag ==
  
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== This Incredible Adventure ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5905146; Nico Richter has 1 credit on ISFDB for a German Neil Gaiman edition but here he's credited for design. Sheila Metzner is a famed artist and I don't know what Ortikol is so if anyone thinks any of them should be entered as cover artist they can do that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:12, 2 March 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270570; I corrected someone's cover artist entry for The Apes by Eden Phillpotts from D. Burrouches to Dorothy Burroughes as it says on SFE; weird font in cover signature fooled someone into seeing the G as a C. Book I linked above is the only other credit here that's probably by her but there's no E in her last name, info such as cover image, etc., is scarce online, so if anyone can get an image or a flap or something either it will have name with an E and can be corrected or it won't and it'll be a variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:59, 30 August 2023 (EDT)
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== Shadow Regions ==
  
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== Ace Fantasy ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?295434; The woman who ran the publisher whose imprint put out this anthology, Tammy Perron, apparently was a crook who didn't pay most of the authors or even give some of them copies which is detailed in the link from Absolute Write that I added some time ago. In September 2023 some mysterious person uploaded a copy on Archive.org and it was finally added a few weeks ago (I stumbled on it completely by accident) so I've added a link in a PENDING edit along with the price and the stories' numbers. Maybe it was one of the authors using their own copy because this seems a very rare book with WorldCat not finding any copies; there's only 1 sad review on Goodreads where one of the authors crows about having a story in it...little did he know. According to ISFDB only 3 of the 20 stories have been reprinted since it came out nearly two decades ago so if anyone was interested in reading it you should do so because you never know if old Tammy may crawl out of the woodwork to have it taken down. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 2 March 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5758148; It really says Ace Fantasy Books on title page and there are 100+ entries on ISFDB by that name. Should it really be separate or changed to just Ace Books? Should this book and the original edition (and possibly the later one if they were still using Ace Fantasy then) be Ace Books? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:46, 31 August 2023 (EDT)
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== Adam L. G. Nevill canonical name ==
  
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== Saltflower ==
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I think it is time to swap the canonical name [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?134040 here] to Adam L. G. Nevill. Any objections? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:18, 4 March 2024 (EST)
  
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https://archive.org/search?query=saltflower; German edition in case anyone fluent wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:19, 1 September 2023 (EDT)
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: We have 8 book-length works as by {{A|Adam Nevill}} and 8 book titles as by {{A|Adam L. G. Nevill}}. All books published over the last 5 years have appeared exclusively as by "Adam L. G. Nevill". SHORTFICTION: 8 as by "Adam Nevill" and 27 as by "Adam L. G. Nevill".
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:Okay [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968760 here it is]. But, since I don't know German either, somebody is going to have translate the translator. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 03:37, 2 September 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Day It Rained Forever ==
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: Given the numbers and the timeline, I think it's fair to say that "Adam L. G. Nevill" is the most recognizable form of his name within the genre as of 2024. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:19, 4 March 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.existentialennui.com/2017/11/science-fiction-beautiful-british-book.html; I was adding Archive.org links and some other stuff to 3 different editions of Bradbury's British book (2 Penguins and a Roc), and I noticed that the original Hart-Davis has a note about some reference work having the price as 18/-, and as can be seen in the photo at the link above it is 18/-; however, the first Hart-Davis book with a price that high was about 10 years later, so I believe it might be a later printing. So if anyone knows they can do something with that, maybe another record can be created. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:36, 1 September 2023 (EDT)
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== The Under-People ==
  
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== Jan B. ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3046564; https://archive.org/search?query=the-under-people&sort=-addeddate; No reason for this to be here, it's one of dozens of junk science "non-fiction" books by Norman/Steiger published back in the day. I think it should be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:52, 4 March 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=breug&type=Name; Both named Jan are on front page ("died"), they're the same person, yes? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:48, 1 September 2023 (EDT)
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== Collection contents question ==
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:Alternate name established. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:04, 2 September 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Welcome to the Silent Zone ==
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When adding contents to a collection which is authored using a variant name, if there is no indication to the contrary, should all the content titles be attributed to the variant author name and then be made a variant of the canonical author name titles if they do not exist? Example: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?804222 The Witching Hour]. The collection author is James Gunn. The copyright page shows the content copyrights as by James Gunn. The included content titles only exist as by the canonical name James E. Gunn. Should these be changed to being authored by James Gunn and then made into variants? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:28, 5 March 2024 (EST)
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: Yes. Remove the three fiction titles, add the three new titles and variant to the canonicals. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:57, 5 March 2024 (EST)
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::Done. Thanks.[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 11:05, 5 March 2024 (EST)
  
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● I just put [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3222249 Welcome to the Silent Zone] on this site, but the copywrite page states that this is a translation (Hungarian?), but I can’t find the possible original anywhere.  Anybody got any ideas? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 21:14, 1 September 2023 (EDT)
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== Hautala Covers ==
  
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== Dell 2nd Printing ==
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I was entering edits for Rick Hautala books, found Jacobus signature on Moon Walker so Tim Jacobus was entered as the artist; Little Brothers, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20465, has a name or initials on the lower right, can anyone find out who that is? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:45, 5 March 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5759600; This one's annoying me because every copy on picclick/ebay is first printing; anyone own second printing so date can be fixed if it needs to be? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 2 September 2023 (EDT)
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== ISFDB Server downtime -- 2024-03-06 at 6pm ==
  
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== Temps Morts ==
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The ISFDB server will be down for maintenance on 2024-03-06 between 6:00pm and 6:15pm EST. Both the database and the Wiki will be unavailable. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:13, 6 March 2024 (EST)
  
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https://archive.org/search?query=temps-morts+maxim; I was doing a bunch of John R. Maxim edits and saw that the French translation of Time Out of Mind is on ISFDB only as part of an anthology, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?759828, but here, https://archive.org/search?query=temps-morts+maxim, are 2 editions with different names on their covers, one with the American/British HC art and the other apparently with original art, in case anyone fluent wants to enter those. Also, I thought it was funny that the only other work on ISFDB with the same title is a translation of Orson Scott Card's "Closing the Timelid"; I guess timelid has no meaning in French. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:31, 3 September 2023 (EDT)
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: The server is back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:05, 6 March 2024 (EST)
  
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== Woman Who Married a Cloud ==
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== Simulacrum ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1366097; https://archive.org/search?query=%22Married+a+Cloud%22; No English archived copies but I found a Polish (?) one in case anyone fluent wants to enter it so at least people who speak the language can read the stories. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:18, 3 September 2023 (EDT)
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Tonight I accidentally ended up on the archived SpecFicWorld site which used to be a major hub of speculative fiction but seems to have entirely disappeared from the modern web (whatever you do, don't type specficworld.com on Google and click the link whose description is "Daftar Situs Agen Judi Slot Online Terpercaya Resmi 2023"; that will NOT lead you to what you're looking for). Only issue #9 of Simulacrum, edited and published by the guy who ran the site, Doyle Eldon Wilmoth, Jr., has an archived PDF link but while searching, as I usually do, for random text from an archived story on Google to try and find out if there are any modern sites that still include it I got one hit, the late Tanith Lee's site daughterofthenight.com, because that issue included a reprint of a story by her from Interzone Magazine. That led me to this, https://archive.org/details/@zatoichi01?query=simulacrum&sort=title, which, according to Galactic Central, is the entire 14-issue run. I rarely enter magazines but any self-moderators who don't have to wait for approval can probably do these quickly without much trouble since the contents are a mixture of reprints which will need importing and originals (or at least they're not on this site). There are many well-known authors and artists included. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:59, 7 March 2024 (EST)
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:I'll take a look at it and see what I can do. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:48, 8 March 2024 (EST)
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:I have through issue 10 entered. I'll finish up with the remaining four later. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:35, 8 March 2024 (EST)
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:I've entered all 14 issues now. You can see them [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?72797 here]. I did not combine the years into editor series because there are only 14 issues so leaving them all separate makes it easier to get to them (one less click-through). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:32, 12 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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== Pawel M. ==
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== Neglected moderation ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=pawel+mar&type=Name; Same guy, probably, one has the little question mark thing at the end of his name, one doesn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:39, 3 September 2023 (EDT)
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Last time I changed something in ISFDB it took days to get a single non-controversial change accepted with hundreds of pending changes. Now it takes weeks with thousands of pending changes. When looking a the recent changes I see lots of self acceptance and accepted automatic changes, but only little moderator activity.
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:Alternate name created. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:24, 4 September 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Peter Cartur/Roger Flint Young/Peter Grainger/Forrest J. Ackerman ==
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Remembering that it takes at least 4 or 5 rounds to add all information for a translated book that amounts to waiting multiple months for a single book.
  
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I submitted an edit to the page on Peter Grainger, where it reads:
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If you don't want contributors anymore then say so clearly! ATM I'd wonder if you find people sticking with ISFDB for a longer time with that situation.
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Note that ISFDB lists Peter Cartur as a pseudonym for Peter Grainger. However, the copyright/acknowledgments for Fifty Short Science Fiction
 
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Peter Cartur The Mist. Copyright 1952 by Fantasy House, Inc. Reprinted by permission of Forrest J. Ackerman.
 
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Peter Cartur is not a pseudonym of Forrest J. Ackerman. Ackerman was Peter Grainger's agent, which is why he gave permission for reprinting "The Mist". (Note that the copyright, at that time, was held by Fantasy House, the publishers of F&SF where it first appeared.)
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--[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 16:31, 8 March 2024 (EST)
  
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One of my sources for the assertion that "Peter Cartur" is a pseudonym of Peter Grainger, and not a pseudonym of Forrest J. Ackerman? A man named ... Forrest J. Ackerman.
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: Longer approval times have definitely been a problem lately. Currently we have 1976 pending submissions, 1137 of them by [[User:Username]] (many are straightforward additions of archive.org links to publication records), 124 by [[User:Fixer]] (a robot account) and the remaining 715 are by other editors.
  
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I had earlier found a fanzine reference in the early 1950s in which Ackerman listed Grainger, Cartur, and Roger Flint Young among his clients. But I have found a better thing: an obituary by Ackerman for Peter Grainger, in the May 1974 issue of the fanzine Luna Monthly (#52). It's on page 8, and can be seen in full here: https://www.fanac.org/fanzines/Luna/Luna52.pdf
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: That said, the ISFDB editing process is very different from what Wikipedia and its offshoot projects use. The latter are much easier to edit, but the quality of the end product varies tremendously. I wrote/rewrote dozens of Wikipedia articles in the mid-2000s, but eventually concluded that trying to keep articles accurate and coherent was going to be prohibitively time-consuming. I occasionally peek to see what has happened to them and their current state is pretty bad. For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensheviks is full of confused nonsense.
  
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: We added the ability to self-approve a few years ago and we are slowly expanding the number of editors who can do so. Hopefully it will help matters going forward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:56, 8 March 2024 (EST)
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"3 authors, 1 fan, killed simultaneously. The news is greatly delayed in being made public but late in 1971 fan Peter Grainger, probably in his early 60s, a fan who at one time had one of the greatest collections of all pulp magazines (in addition to sf and fantasy), was killed by a drunken driver.
 
  
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With him died Peter Cartur (“The Mist,” F&SF, and “Nor Moon by Night,” Famous Fantastic Mysteries); Max Dancey (“Two-Way Stretch,” F&SF; “Me Feel Good,” Orbit SF; and “The Loneliest Town,” Fantastic Universe); and Roger Flint Young (“Forbidden Fruit,” Amazing; “Inoculation,” Fantastic Adventures; and “Suburban Frontiers” and “Not to be Opened—” in Astounding). All three authors were pseudonyms of Grainger. He last appeared in Perry Rhodan 38 as Max Dancey in collaboration with G. Gordon Dewey with “The Keknij Escape.”
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:: Well, my request to do so was simply ignored. --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 10:10, 16 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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Mild mannered, soft spoken, wry humored, he never made waves in the sf field, keeping to himself and a small circle of friends, operating a secondhand book and magazine shop, as far as I know, at the end of his life. I was glad to have been his friend, gratified to have been his agent, infuriated by the way he lost his life. -- Forry Ackerman"  {{Unsigned2|11:49, September 4, 2023‎|Hortonwho13}}
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::: Nominations require support from other editors/moderators before they can be approved. If a nomination doesn't gain enough support, it is not approved. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:01, 16 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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== Angel(a) Arnet ==
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:::: Which is an endless loop. Because moderators don't care I want self-moderation. But for that I need moderators to care which they don't. An unreachable goal. --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 10:05, 23 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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I just added 1968 Stein and Day American edition to Elizabeth Walter's The Sin-Eater and design is by Angel Arnet, who has a credit on ISFDB for a Keith Laumer book, but an Angela Arnet has a credit for a Robert Silverberg book. So if anyone knows what her real name was one can be made a variant of the other, although she seems to be credited for design (even though art style is similar for all so she probably did art), which I put in the note for Sin-Eater, so maybe her name doesn't even really belong in cover art for those other 2 and should be moved to notes, also. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:55, 4 September 2023 (EDT)
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== Heide Oberheide ==
  
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== To Do List ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?127989; I left a PV a note telling them that a T. Canty credit for Parke Godwin's novel Beloved Exile was actually by Oberheide so that will need fixing but another problem I found is that her page at The Paperback Palette says she was born in Canada in 1957, both very different than what ISFDB says. So does anyone know what the real info is? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:48, 9 March 2024 (EST)
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:Found [https://www.heritage.nf.ca/articles/arts/heidi-oberheide.php this] and [https://www.arts.wa.gov/artist-collection/?request=record;id=2193;type=701 this], which both agree on 1943 and Germany and have enough differences that neither seems to be the source for the other.  They both strike me as fairly authoritative, especially that first one. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:23, 10 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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== Tales of Terror ==
  
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1) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?72190; Al Sarrantonio's "The Dust" is not the same as "Dust" and should be unmerged. I own the anthology Death, which is not on Archive.org, but "The Dust" was reprinted in 100 Hair-Raising Little Horror Stories which does have at least one archived link; "Dust" is from Quietly now, a very limited edition anthology from Borderlands Press which is almost impossible to find, but it was reprinted in a later collection of his which also has an archived link. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:43, 5 September 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291626; I added a link to the back cover image on Bookscans in a PENDING edit and noticed there are some copies on eBay which show the first page, 5, with "The Facts in the Case of M. Valdemar" as a title, which means this shouldn't really be a novel but rather a collection of Poe stories adapted by Sudak. Does anyone own a copy who can verify the page numbers of the other stories so they can all be entered? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:13, 13 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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: I have checked two pubs in my collection and confirmed that they are different stories. Unmerged and updated. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:20, 5 September 2023 (EDT)
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== Cover artist data entry rules updated ==
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::: My bad; fixed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:22, 5 September 2023 (EDT)
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Please note that the "Artist" section of [[Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt]] has been updated to reflect current practices. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:02, 14 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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2) On this list, https://wfc2023.org/in-memorium/, the following have not been updated on ISFDB with their date of death in 2022: Jill Pinkwater, Jay Wilburn, Ned Dameron, Henry Morrison, Sue Strong Hassler, Erik Arthur, Jay Faulkner. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:44, 5 September 2023 (EDT)
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== The Message ==
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: Eleven author records updated, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:06, 11 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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3) Amazingstories.com, In Memoriam Those We Have Lost in 2022: "Fan John E. Ferraro (b.1952) died on January 13. John was an active convention attendee and helped run conventions in the Chicago and Milwaukee areas." Probably this guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?205939. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:54, 5 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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:Here's [https://amazingstories.com/2023/01/in-memoriam-those-we-have-lost-in-2022/ the link] to the referenced post. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:40, 6 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Ferraro was entered some time ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:57, 4 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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4) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?33619; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jenkins_(author); Author of book died but it doesn't really belong here, I believe, because it's just about dinosaurs with no genre content. Also, short stories are by a different guy, https://www.amazon.com.be/-/en/Steven-Jenkins/dp/0993283659; Dark Moon Digest where they appeared is mentioned in his bio. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 5 September 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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: Differentiated the authors; I'd also think the dinosaur nonfiction shouldn't be here, are there more opinion? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:53, 7 September 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1471825; Obscure author and publisher but not obscure enough that it didn't get a Chinese translation, https://archive.org/search?query=brockman-robin&sort=-addeddate, in case anyone fluent wants to enter that; just don't title it The MASSAGE like the uploader did. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:37, 14 March 2024 (EDT)
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:Book does not belong here, I deleted hundreds of these years ago in a cleanup. Will remove this one to.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 15:49, 16 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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5) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?112614; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Swann. Saw he died while perusing the necrology in an old Best New Horror volume. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:08, 6 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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:Swann was just entered by Username using Swann's Wikipedia page (thanks, me). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:04, 4 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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6) https://archive.org/details/science-fiction-conventions; I've added a few links recently to random volumes from this collection uploaded last year if there was something in them that was related to something else I happened to be editing but there's hundreds of others and I'm not big on old SF. If anyone's interested in adding more links or verifying and fixing any info they're there; you never know when they might be gone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:20, 6 September 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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7) On this page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Horror_fiction_awards, there seem to be 2 literary awards not on ISFDB, Gaylactic and Nocte. Only mention in a note search on ISFDB for the former is Queer Fear II, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?342199, while Nocte is mentioned here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?665268, and here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2368403, although another award, Premio Ignotus, is mentioned so there seems to be some confusion. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:38, 7 September 2023 (EDT)
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== YouTube audiobooks in or out? ==
  
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8) https://archive.org/search?query=george+martin+game-of-thrones&sort=title&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; With the Game of Thrones spinoff Snow coming soon, supposedly, I did a search for author/title and got the page linked above. There's all sorts of stuff from various English-language editions to foreign editions to coloring books and puzzle books plus some non-fiction about the series. Many of those copies could be useful in fleshing out what's already here and possibly some aren't even here at all. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:43, 7 September 2023 (EDT)
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5852793 this submission] on hold because I'm unsure if YouTube audiobooks should be included here since they are generally not downloadable (instead being streamed). The [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules of Acquisition|rules]] include audiobooks, but also exclude "[w]orks published in a web-based publication and available exclusively as a Web page" (which is pretty much what a YouTube video is), and they say nothing about podcasts. Thoughts? Should this be a [[RS|Rules and standards]] discussion? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:42, 20 March 2024 (EDT)
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: They are out under the exclusion as they are not downloadable. However we need to extend the Audio-book section of the inclusion section to match the ebooks/electronic publication one above it a bit - especially around podcasts which are not considered magazines for example. So maybe starting a discussion to clarify what audio-materials we want to index is the best choice (while keeping that one on hold until we decide what we want to do) :). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:09, 20 March 2024 (EDT)
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::Okay, moved it [[ISFDB:RS#Clarifying the Audiobooks entry|over there]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:33, 20 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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9) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=sailing&type=Name; Jasmine linked bio on her page refers to her 2 children and one of them is Amara so something should be added to their notes to detail the mother-daughter relationship. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 8 September 2023 (EDT)
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== Barcodes with prices hiding in plain sight ==
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: Relationship added, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:05, 11 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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10) https://archive.org/details/friendsofthesanfranciscopubliclibrary?query=%22perry+rhodan%22&sin=TXT&sort=title; Big assortment of Perry Rhodan books. Text search was necessary because several were misidentified as electronic or video recordings or by ISBN instead of title; I count 43 Rhodan books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:51, 8 September 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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11) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?20806; https://www.cunninghamfuneralhome.net/obituary/lee-moler/; Moler died several years ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:11, 9 September 2023 (EDT)
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A lot of printed books have prices on their back covers hiding in plain sight. If you look at a barcode on the back cover, next to the ISBN, usually over the smaller barcode next to the ISBN one, there is a number sequence - for example 51595 or 51699. That means $15.95 / $16.99 (5 is the code for $, the rest is the price). The first example is from a book I pulled from my shelf (not genre), the second is from [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0982095031 an Amazon book]. As back covers are very often visible in Amazon (separately or as part of Look Inside), that may help with adding prices (with an appropriate note) even when Amazon and other retailer have their own ideas on what the price may be (or at the very least it can serve as a confirmation for the Amazon price). It is not there for all books (90000 is a very common code up there) but for the books that have it, it is as good as the old printed prices.
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: Author record updated, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:54, 11 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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12) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?141950; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500568; I think signature is "LeCroix 77". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:26, 10 September 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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13) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?16483; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?16572; They're the same person. Variant needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:03, 11 September 2023 (EDT)
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I propose to add this tidbit of information to the [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Price Price field help]. Meanwhile, I am leaving it here for information :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:21, 20 March 2024 (EDT)
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: Alternate name established, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:46, 11 September 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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14) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?532102; https://archive.org/search?query=blue-streak+medusa&sort=-addeddate; A Whitman sampler of editions of this book; as someone's note says it's hard to say which of the multiple printings these are, all just say 1946 on copyright page, one has no cover and the other 2 may have the same color cover, it's hard to tell because one of them is old and faded, if any experts can identify by gutter code or something similar they can add links if they want to. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:14, 11 September 2023 (EDT)
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:Good idea to add this to the Help. I have sometimes used this for prices. You might like to expand the note to explain other currencies. The smaller 5 digit barcode is the supplementary section of the barcode and contains a EAN-5 code. The first of the five digits is a currency code. If the first digit is 9, that means the supplementary section does not contain price information. It's explained in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EAN-5 this Wikipedia article]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:28, 20 March 2024 (EDT)
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:: Yep - we should add all the codes when we are adding the note to the help page. Thanks for the link to the Wiki page - I knew it was there, I did not think to look it up earlier today :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:41, 20 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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15) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=hucken&type=Name; Which is parent and which is variant? The 1974 name is actually entered wrong, https://archive.org/details/Burroughs_Bulletin_034_1974_LauraS_FIXED/page/n14/mode/1up, so his real name needs verifying. EDIT: Title is wrong, too; it's Torquasian. EDIT: https://archive.org/search?query=burroughs-bulletin&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22collection%22; I'm going to assume there are other mistakes throughout the various issues so this collection may help in fixing some of those. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:45, 11 September 2023 (EDT)
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::: I agree that adding a section about EAN-5 codes to [[Template:PublicationFields:Price]] would be useful. We could list  the commonly used first digits:
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:::* 0 and 1 -- UK
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:::* 6 - Canada
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::: and explain special pseudo-price values, i.e. that "9999" means "100.00 or more" while "90000" means "no price given". We could then link to the Wikipedia article or an industry Web page for other scenarios. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:06, 20 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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16) https://main.pemmi-con.ca/sf/in-memoriam/; People with no 2022 death date entered here: Celia Correas de Zapata, Drew Ford, Martin Barker. The Stephen Smith mentioned in the list may or may not be one of these Smiths, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?34578, and Kevin Barrett might be this guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?8563. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:16, 11 September 2023 (EDT)
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== Webzines to include? ==
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:Username just entered Zapata and Barker using their Wikipedia pages (thanks, me). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:15, 4 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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17) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=wojtow&type=Name; First 2 guys are almost certainly the same people as are the last 2 guys. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:22, 11 September 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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18) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1038; Someone's been adding recent issues of Nightmare Abbey from this publisher (there's also a one-off here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?662703). Almost all of their publications were PV by Thosengl who is almost certainly the owner, Tom English, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?127469, but he was a little shaky judging by the numerous corrections mods had to make to his edits. He hasn't been around for years (and for some reason at least 1 of his PV is by Thosengl7 who has a separate page here) and there are no copies of any of these books on Archive.org (must be a very small press) so if anyone owns anything maybe they can add/fix, in particular the series issue with 3 separate series names which almost certainly are the same. The first one, Literary Vampire, clearly says The Literary Vampire Series on the cover but "the" and "series" are in different sizes than the rest so maybe that's what led to the confusion. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:59, 11 September 2023 (EDT)
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Hello. I have two new pub submissions on hold as they pertain to new webzine entries. Do we want to include these?
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* Small World City: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5776649], [https://smallworldcity.com/ website].
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* Kalpabishwa: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5884972], [https://www.kalpabiswa.in/ website].
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Looking through the contents, I say we can include those. Not sure how long-lived these are going to be though... Comments/suggestions from other editors & moderators whether to include or not? (didn't look for past discussion where webzine inclusions were debated...) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 15:35, 21 March 2024 (EDT)
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: Both produce issues and both are genre -zines. So they are eligible under the "Webzines, which are defined as online periodicals with distinct issues (note that online periodicals without distinct issues are not considered webzines)." rule. How long they survive is irrelevant - even if they produce a single issue, they are in. However, these records will need some massaging post approval :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:41, 21 March 2024 (EDT)
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:: Thought so. The help text says to post and query the editor community - we may want to update that and instead clarify that if a webzine has distinct issues, it is in by default? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 16:09, 21 March 2024 (EDT)
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::: Probably an oversight (we forgot it was there?) after we changed the ROA awhile back to include these. Which of the help pages?
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::: PS: Note that awhile back we even dropped the requirement for the webzine to be genre allowing non-genre ones to be added as any other non-genre periodical (with only genre contents indexed). So yep - a webzine with issues is always in under the genre magazine rules or the non-genre periodical ones. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:22, 21 March 2024 (EDT)
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:::: [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Format Here] - see '''webzine''' in that section. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 11:00, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
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::::: Ah, the one place I did not look at. :) Yep - that needs an update. I will start a discussion so we can get the language crafted. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:08, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
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::::: [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Formats_help_pages Here we go] - the proposed new language. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:26, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
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:::: [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition Rules of Acquisition] has it as you mention above - we may want to add non-genre periodicals role there explicitly. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 11:00, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
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::::: We do not have them called out in the print periodicals section either but if you think we should clarify that across the board, I won't object. Let's finish the audio-formats discussion we are currently having about changes in the same section of the ROA over in R&S and then I will initiate a discussion about this. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:08, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
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:::: As an aside, I must say that I couldn't find the ROA immediately - I think it is an important section of the rules. Shouldn't we be adding a link on the main help page? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 11:00, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
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::::: I know to look under Policy but you are right, it needs to be a lot more visible [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page here] - either as a sublink under the ISFDB Policy link or on its own in the same section. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:08, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
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::::::I've added a specific link to it on [[Help:Contents]], which is found at the top of most help pages. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:18, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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19) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?13861; Someone's recently been adding edits for Keyhoe UFO books which seems a waste of time because he's probably not above-the-threshold and those books are likely going to be removed eventually. The Perma Star one linked above should probably be removed but more importantly while searching text on Archive.org for Permabooks and Perma Star together a Simak book came up, https://archive.org/search?query=%22permabooks%22+%22perma+star%22&sin=TXT, so publisher for that edition, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?149901, should probably be Perma Star, too. Either that or Clarke book's publisher should be changed to Perma Books and Perma Star added as an imprint to both. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:32, 11 September 2023 (EDT)
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== ISFDB:Verification requests ==
  
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20) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2447743; Jugement is probably wrong but Wiki titles it Judgment or Judgement depending on where you look, so real title needs verifying. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:36, 12 September 2023 (EDT)
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The [[ISFDB:Verification requests]] board is not used much anymore. It seems [[ISFDB:Help desk]] and this board have pretty much supplanted it. Do we want to discontinue it? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:17, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
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: How about we can turn it into a broader board instead: "Assistance needed/Project Assistance Required/Something along these lines" for example - when an editor starts a project and notices other things that need adding/fixing or finds a source that may be useful and is unable/unwilling to work through it, they can request assistance there. Looking at CS, about half of the posts there in the last couple of years are from that nature and they choke the actual discussion threads and make it very hard for people to notice that something was posted in the discussions. It will be the counter-part of the Help Desk - come to the Help Desk if you want help getting the work done and learning how to do it; come to this board to post a project that needs work but you cannot/don't want to work on. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:59, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
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::I'd be fine with that. I agree this board has gotten rather full lately, making it hard to keep track of things. So maybe change the title to [[ISFDB:Assistance requests]] or something? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:11, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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21) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?334653; On the slim chance anyone owns this issue I find it hard to believe that movie review is really titled Mad MARX and not Mad MAX. I picture Groucho in the Thunderdome smoking a cigar while fighting Master Blaster. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 12 September 2023 (EDT)
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::: I like the idea. "Assistance requests" may be a bit too narrow for what we are trying to define, but it's the closest that I can think of at the moment. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:46, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
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:::: I like "Assistance Requests". If we ever come up with a better name, we can rename and forward. And we have the text under it to add a sentence that describes the scope better. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:53, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
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::::: "Help Wanted" ? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 09:47, 23 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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22) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1772293; Title of first story is wrong, it's "Pudgygate", Rusch offered it for free on her site kriswrites.com in 2011 (archived link is still working; she offered it a few times since but those don't have the text of the story anymore) and the 1995 anthology it came from, Cat Crimes Takes a Vacation, is on Archive.org. Also, Amazon preview identifies cover artist as Mega 11/Dreamstime (not sure about the first part, the font is kind of weird, might be II); problem is Dreamstime has many credits on ISFDB, some with a space separating the co-artist, some without, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=dreamstime&type=Name, so which is correct should probably be decided and wrong ones fixed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:24, 14 September 2023 (EDT)
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:::::: I think that there is potential for confusion between "Help desk" and "Help Wanted". Ideally, whatever name we come up with should clearly differentiate between the two boards. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:08, 23 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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23) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?107565; Lawrence R. Dagstine recently created a page here so I left him a message asking if he can provide info for his 2004 collection which is very sparse here and elsewhere online. While researching him I found this, https://lawrencedagstine.com/2007/07/16/kinships-7-now-available-final-issue/. The Nova credit is on ISFDB, Silverthought is a publisher that had a fiction section at their online site years ago, but Kinships was a print magazine, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?62884, that only has #1 and a later issue entered here. Both issues have a weird web link in their title records but the page on Dagstine's site has another link on Tripod which is still mentioned a few times online but the actual site is gone except in the archived version that doesn't seem to mention the final issue. So if anyone can actually find somewhere that mentions contents of #7 or any of the other issues those can be entered here. Typing "bibliography" and "Kinships Magazine" online only found 1 author site, https://jamesdorrwriter.wordpress.com/bibliography-1-short-fiction-3/, which mentions a story not on ISFDB and has a May 2002 date but doesn't mention what issue that was. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:52, 14 September 2023 (EDT)
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:::::::Maybe "Research Requests" or "Research Assistance"? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:45, 24 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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24) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=horror+of+oz&type=All+Titles; Craftlove was a pseudonym of Karr. Also, Fancyclopedia and her bio on Amazon say she wrote as Gregory Remington who has a story here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13994, so that's likely by her, too. She also has no photo on ISFDB and her Wiki (which only has 1 small not-so-good photo) says her last name was shortened to Karr but doesn't say if that was done legally; if not, her original last name, Karmilowicz, should be her legal name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:57, 14 September 2023 (EDT)
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:::::::: I like "Research Assistance". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:13, 24 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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25) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=stinson&type=Name; J. G., Jan, Janine G., and Janine are all likely the same person; also, artist just named Stinson is almost certainly Paul Stinson who did other Leisure covers in the same style. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:38, 16 September 2023 (EDT)
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(unindent) Are there any objections to changing [[ISFDB:Verification requests]] to [[Research Assistance]]? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 4 April 2024 (EDT)
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: I'm okay with that. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:10, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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26) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326338; http://andrewdarlington.blogspot.com/2020/03/science-fiction-magazine-dream-science.html; Author of "The Eighth Room" is credited as S. M. Baxter, not Stephen M. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:56, 16 September 2023 (EDT)
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:: If there are no objections, I will ask Nihonjoe to make the change tomorrow. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:50, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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27) http://www.ravenelectrick.com/ravenswriters/index.htm; This page and the 2 other writer pages linked at the bottom of it contain photos for most of the authors and most of them have no photos on ISFDB so anyone who likes uploading author images here can get a lot from those 3 pages. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:27, 17 September 2023 (EDT)
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:::De we want it to be [[ISFDB:Research Assistance]] to [[Research Assistance]]? The other can be a redirect. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:54, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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28) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?146553; http://wormwoodiana.blogspot.com/2021/02/rip-jeffrey-dempsey-1959-2021.html; He died a few years ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:15, 20 September 2023 (EDT)
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:::: Probably [[ISFDB:Research Assistance]] in order to stay consistent with the majority of other "major" pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:05, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
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:Dempsey was just entered by Username using Wormwoodiana blog post (thanks, me). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:09, 4 October 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Erotic Fantasy & Science Fiction Selections ==
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::::: Since there are no objections, please feel free to go ahead and move [[ISFDB:Verification requests]] to [[ISFDB:Research Assistance]] when you get a chance. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:45, 6 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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● What I would like to know is <i>Erotic Fantasy & Science Fiction Selections</i>; an anthology series, as seen [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?681090 here] or is it a publication series, as seen [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?11896 here]?. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 01:38, 6 September 2023 (EDT)
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::::::Moved! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:31, 8 April 2024 (EDT)
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: They all seem to be unique compilations so I would go with a title series personally but either way works... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:55, 11 September 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== DAW Books as an imprint ==
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::::::: Thanks! I have updated the main Wiki page and everything looks good. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:37, 8 April 2024 (EDT)
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:::::::: The Description up in the panel at the top of all the community boards still say "Help with bibliographic, image credit, and other questions which require a physical check of the work in question.". [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:49, 8 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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DAW Books was acquired by Astra Publishing House in July 2022. As a result, DAW Books is now an imprint of Astra Publishing House. I'm not sure when the DAW titles started having the imprint information on their copyright pages. I have started using the publisher [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?80940 DAW Books / Astra Publishing House] for new works since that data is on the copyright page. However, the title pages still show only DAW Books. In addition, using Amazon Look-inside, I see that at least some of the ebooks published by DAW as an independent entity have had their copyright pages updated to show "DAW Books" [over] "An imprint of Astra Publishing House". Should I still just use DAW Books for continuity? If I need to make changes, there are only 6 publications to change. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 10:10, 6 September 2023 (EDT)
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::::::::: Updated, thanks! The new wording is "Help with bibliographic projects", which is a bit bland and non-specific, but I couldn't think of a better way to summarize the purpose of the new board. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:49, 8 April 2024 (EDT)
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:Unless there isn't any publisher information on the title page, we should be going with what's on the title page. Anything else should be added as a note. At least that's been general practice for a long time. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:34, 6 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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::OK. I'll change the 6 publications. I'm the sole PV for two of them anyway. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:58, 6 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::If I may, you're emphasizing "we should be going with what's on the title page. Anything else should be added as a note.".
 
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:::The [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Publisher Help screen for Publisher] states "Use the official statement of publication where you can.". The official statement of publication is the copyright page. Yes/no? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:31, 12 September 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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:::: Looking at the totality of [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Publisher]], I note that it gives editors a lot of flexibility, e.g.:
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== Nude French Alien ==
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I just added a link and did a few other things for the 33rd YBSF edition, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2012677, and searched for others with James Burns as cover artist; only 34th came up, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2209443, but as can be seen PV of TP and HC entered it differently. So maybe consensus about which is "better" should be reached and credits merged. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:45, 27 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500568; I added to my "To Do List" thread with what I think is the cover artist but looking at edit history it was Hauck who entered the notes and he's one of those who wants nothing more to do with ISFDB so it's very unlikely he's going to respond; I'm adding this separate message so maybe someone else, possibly Stonecreek who added to Hauck's edits, will agree and enter the artist. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500843; https://memoriasfc.blogspot.com/2013/08/toxicofuturis-une-anthologie-de-michel.html; Maybe someone can determine signature and enter artist. Also, Hauck seems to have misspelled "signature" a bunch of times, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=siganture, so if anyone wants to they can fix those. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 10 September 2023 (EDT)
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== Lovecraft Collaborations Book ==
  
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== 2023-09-11 performance issues ==
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I was starting to add the audio book edition of {{T|2610309|this title}} and discovered that publisher has provided a copy of the pdf version of the book.  While we don't have a record for the pdf (it has a different ISBN than the eBook), there are several discrepancies between it and our records.  I also have questions other questions about how this title is reflected and while none of the publications are primarily verified, there have been several editors who have touched these records.  I thought I'd reach out for comments before proceeding with changes.
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# We have the title as an ANTHOLOGY and list both the editor and Lovecraft. All the stories are credited to Lovecraft with various co-authors.  Personally, I feel that these sorts of collection of collaborations are better typed as COLLECTION as was done with {{T|34634|this title}}.
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# The title page lists the credits as "By H.P. Lovecraft" over "Edited and Annotated by Finn J.D. John" in smaller type.  We have both names in the author field.  Since we have this as an ANTHOLOGY, this labels them both as "Editors".  Lovecraft clearly didn't edit this book.  As I feel this should be listed as a COLLECTION, I also feel that only Lovecraft should be listed in the author field.  If the consensus is that it's an ANTHOLOGY, then we only list John.
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# The stories are listed with both Lovecraft and his co-author on their title pages, whereas we have them all listed by the collaborating author alone.  So I intend to swap out which variant of these titles is included.  I don't thin this is controversial.
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# There is a short essay before each section giving biographical details of each co-author.  I intend to add these.  While not signed, I think we can safely attribute them to John by virtue of his annotation credit.
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#The PDF lists 5 different formats each with their own ISBN including the "Interactive PDF".  Should we add the PDF as a separate title record, or should the PDF ISBN be added in the notes for the {{P|765112|ebook}} edition?  I'll also note, that my understanding is that we do list page numbers for pdfs whereas we do not for ebooks.
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# I'm fairly comfortable that these changes should apply to the 2018 publications based on the 2018 pdf.  I'm less certain whether I should make changes to the 2017 edition, or the 2019 omnibus, i.e should we assume the story credits and biographical essays are present in the other editions not listed in the pdf?
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# I assume adding a note about the PDF being included with the audio book is sufficient rather than duplicating the contents showing the story exists twice (audio and text).
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I'd appreciate other's thoughts on these questions.  Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:29, 28 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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:My mild opinion is that both this and the example you cited should be ANTHOLOGY.  They are different from the case where most of the stories are written by Lovecraft alone, with one or two written by him and someone else.  While both are Locvecraft-centric, they are primarily showcasing the work of a wide variety of authors.  I agree with everything else in your list. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 19:55, 31 March 2024 (EDT)
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::I'm afraid I would still prefer these as COLLECTIONs.  If we were to convert them to ANTHOLOGY, we would need to list the editor as the sole author which would move these collections out of Lovecraft's bibliography.  I had only cited one example, but there are many similar collections, many of which are verified.  For example, see which collections containing the story {{T|1035316|The Green Meadow}}.  It is contained in two true anthologies.  Aside from the 4 editions of the title we're discussing, there is but one other {{P|848648|publication} typed as a ANTHOLOGY. All other publications were entered as COLLECTION or OMNIBUS.  In some of these cases, we don't necessarily have the editor and would likely need to move these titles to the uncredited bibliography page instead of Lovecraft's.  {{P|280465|Beyond the Wall of Sleep}} is another interesting example.  There about 10 "collaborations" in this collection which is a minority, but it is more than one or two stories. If we decide to type these sorts of books as ANTHOLOGY, where would we draw that line?  My last point is that it appears to me that these books are published to appear as Lovecraft collections with his name listed more prominently than any editors (if they are listed at all).  If we are to reclassify these publication, I'd like to hear from some of the other verifiers. Thanks.  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:23, 1 April 2024 (EDT)
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:::Since there have been no further responses to this, and the one objection was "mild", I'm going to proceed with these changes.  Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:34, 13 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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== "Publication Title-Reference Title Mismatches" enhanced ==
  
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As per the recent Rules and Standards discussion, the cleanup report "Publication Title-Reference Title Mismatches" has been enhanced to require an exact match between publication titles and their reference title records' titles. New data will become available tomorrow morning.
  
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We are looking at around 10,000 mismatches, so the cleanup effort will be significant, especially considering the fact that many affected publication records have been primary-verified. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:07, 4 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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== Canonical name change Charles Eugene Anderson from Chuck Anderson ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257996; I thought this was interesting. I was looking at "My Primary Verifications with Possibly Unstable "/G/" Amazon URLs" and I only have 2; The Rage by Jack Ramsay and the above title. While looking for a replacement cover I noticed that some photos have the price/publisher info on the middle left like my copy and this photo, https://openlibrary.org/books/OL7502962M/Night_Visions_4_Hardshell, but others have the info on the lower left. Turns out they reprinted it at least once, https://www.etsy.com/listing/990058853/hardshell-aka-night-visions-4-paperback, note 2nd printing number line on copyright page, and oddly the Canadian price is lower (4.95) than the first (5.25). They also removed/moved some of the text on the cover. So does anyone own a copy who can check what printing they have? If you have the 2nd (or later, possibly) that can be entered and PV. You never know if they shifted the pages around, too, but only a full copy can verify that. EDIT: ISBN is also different; I left a note on Collecting Koontz's Twitter notifying them of this; they only list 1st printing and got the date wrong (1998 instead of 1988). EDIT: I just saw that way back in 2011 someone did enter what I assume is the 2nd printing, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?865302, although they didn't leave any notes about that or how they arrived at the 1990 date. I'm uploading a cover that matches my 1st printing so this other one needs a cover, too, and cover artist imported since it's the same image as the 1st. No page numbers so someone with a copy will still have to verify and enter those. EDIT: I tweeted Collecting Koontz site and got a reply thanking me and saying they fixed the date. I forgot to tell them they misspelled the title, too, as "Hardhsell", so hopefully they'll catch that and fix it; kind of hard to tell because links to the site seem to be on separate pages so they may fix it on one but not the other(s). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:06, 12 September 2023 (EDT)
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Any objections to making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?273059 Charles Eugene Anderson] the canonical name and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?108390 Chuck Anderson] the alternate?
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28067; After Hours was a horror magazine that ran from 1989-1995. I checked all 25 issues on ISFDB and none of them have interior art credits and none are PV so it wouldn't need checking with anyone else to add those credits which seem to always be on the contents page in the issues I've seen online. There's also the thing of having to change starting page numbers by 1 for those stories that begin with an illustration and a lot of the stories don't have lengths because editors likely added contents for most or all of the issues from Locus/Philsp and they call very short stories vi, meaning vignette, and those often are not given lengths here. There are some issues on eBay, a couple of issues on Richard Dalby's site (in the usual broken fashion for that site only one comes up when you search there, both show up when you search on Google), and I'm sure others are elsewhere (maybe a few people here actually own some issues). So if anyone wants to a lot of art credits, some by major artists, can be entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:32, 15 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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Hello, I kindly notice a possible review for the Author name "Tess Gerritsen".
 
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The real legal name should be "Terry Tom" (name and surname respectively). Tom is the maiden surname and Gerritsen is the husband's surname (as she get married with Jacob Gerritsen). Her children names: Josh Gerritsen (a filmmaker) and Adam Gerritsen; Her parents names: Ernest Tom and Jui Chiung Tom.
 
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So I kindly ask, if it correct to modify just the legal name in "Terry Tom, adding it in the database, together with her author bame Tess Gerritsen (always used).
 
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Last week Gollancz put out the first 2 volumes of a "The Collected Stories of PKD" series, which I entered [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3216739 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3222839 here].  Out of a somewhat Dickian sense of paranoia, I didn't clone the contents of the existing volumes 1 and 2, or variant to them, in case these new ones didn't match, and it turns out those suspicions were justified.
 
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It looks like that original 5-volume series is being split into 4 volumes.  The first of the new volumes has all the stories from the old volume 1, plus the first four stories from the old volume 2.  The new volume 2 picks up from the old volume 2, and additionally has a dozen-or-so stories from the old volume 3.  There are volumes 3 and 4 scheduled for the end of October, which will presumably cover all the remaining stories from the old 5-volume series.
 
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Given that all this is a recipe for confusion, does anyone have any thoughts on how to record these.  Varianting them to the old volumes doesn't seem to make any sense, because the middle two don't closely match the old volumes 2-4.  Maybe having a new (sub?)series called something like "The Collected Stories of Philip K. Dick (Gollancz, 2023)" might be the best way of avoiding mixing them up with the old volumes?  [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:53, 17 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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:I added Archive.org links to most (I think one was missing) of the Subterranean Press editions of his collected stories not too long ago so I thought I'd check to see what's there now and there is a British edition, https://archive.org/search?query=collected-stories+wub&sort=-addeddate. The only HarperCollins edition on ISFDB seems to be the same one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?537594, except price is slightly less, there are no overseas prices, and number line note doesn't make sense because British paperbacks don't usually have the 9-1 (or 9-2 in this case) number line, that's an American book thing only, I'm pretty sure. Editor was Hauck, one of those people who hate this site now and want nothing to do with it anymore, so if you want to use the archived copy to correct their work I don't think they'll care much, or maybe it's an alternate non-overseas edition in which case you might want to create a new record for it. EDIT: The synopsis in the title record for the collection Beyond Lies the Wub should really be in the story's title record, I think. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:30, 17 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Canonical name change Richard Magahiz from Rich Magahiz ==
 
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Any objections to making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?243358 Richard Magahiz] the canonical name and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?143850 Rich Magahiz] the alternate?
 
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SFPA bios (Star*Line, Eye to the Telescope, Dwarf Stars, Rhysling), LinkedIn, Instagram, Pinterest all use Richard Magahiz. Only site I see using Rich Magahiz is Flickr. Ill add these links to the canonical name. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:46, 18 September 2023 (EDT)
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Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:51, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
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:Sounds like a good plan to me. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:27, 18 September 2023 (EDT)
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: Go ahead, obvious case where the switch can/need to happen [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 09:28, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
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: Yep, go ahead. Especially considering that most if not all new titles use Richard. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:57, 19 September 2023 (EDT)
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:: Hearing no objections, done. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:45, 9 April 2024 (EDT)
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:: changed, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:08, 20 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Azzurra ==
 
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I was doing something related to Thundercats books and one of those titles isn't on Archive.org but this similarly-titled thing is, https://archive.org/search?query=princess-azzurra&sort=-addeddate, in case anyone thinks it qualifies to be here and wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:24, 18 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Noyes, Platt ==
 
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I let a mod know they misspelled Alfred Noyes' first name in a note which has now been fixed but while checking to see if there were any others I came across a note about this publisher, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?57420. There are 6 copies of the Bangs book from 5 different libraries on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=noyes-platt&sort=title, in case anyone wants to add links assuming they're the same printing as the one entered on ISFDB. Also, while other books are art-related there is one possible genre book, Mother Goose's Menagerie. It is not in Wells' ISFDB record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:47, 18 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?655; Tragic suicide; also tragic is that both of his collections are very rare. The Infinite Man was previewed in a 1989 200-copy convention edition but never released in a trade edition. As for Along the Midway..., a site I mentioned a while back, Anna's Archive, has both the individual story of that title and what is supposedly the collection; story was in Omni and that seems to be public domain these days (it can be read at williamflew.com) but Anna's is the only place I've seen that claims to have a copy of the book. I was at a public library today and figured, what the hell, I'll download it. After changing the .epub to a .pdf I opened it and saw the cover, the next page which has a thumbnail of the cover, and then...the collection Glimpses by Rick Hautala. It's the WRONG BOOK 😠. The review on this page, http://www.dondammassa.com/2002r3.htm, mentions 2 stories so those and the title story can be imported, at least. I made a couple of edits to it last year according to edit history. RTrace did a whole bunch of secondary verifications for Infinite Man a few months ago; is it possible someone here owns one of those convention editions (online info is unreliable; an actual copy would be great)? On the plus side, even though Glimpses came out 10 years ago nobody ever entered the contents here so if anyone cares to they can do that; Amazon has a preview which includes the contents. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:56, 20 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Canonical name change Jay Sturner from Jason Sturner ==
 
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Any objections to making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?285393 Jay Sturner] the canonical name and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?167883 Jason Sturner] an alternate?
 
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The author's website (the url does use jasonsturner), Goodreads and Amazon all use Jay Sturner. SFPA Rhysling bio uses Jason Sturner (2014 & 2015 anthologies). [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:45, 21 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Michel Faber - Over a Certain Threshold? ==
 
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I am working on the collection [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?961950 Some Rain Must Fall and Other Stories]. This contains a mixture of spec-fic (6 stories) and non-genre (9 stories). Could someone please advise whether the author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?10428 Michel Faber] is considered to be [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Excluded over a certain threshold] so that I can deal with the non-genre stories appropriately. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:21, 21 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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:As there has been no reply for more than two weeks, I shall proceed on the assumption that the author is above threshold. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:14, 6 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Thackery T. Lambshead ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?156126; I left a message with Paulotecario about making variants of the Portuguese edition's titles but while looking up G. J. Couzens / Gary Couzens it turned out after checking Archive.org that while Gary is used elsewhere the name at the end of the "story" is G. J. so the Portuguese editor is the only one who entered it correctly here. 1st edition on ISFDB has 1 active PV, 1 non-active for a long time who seems to be semi-active now, 1 non-active but still checks in, and 1 who I think is completely gone. So at least one of them should consult with this editor about the names and making sure the English ones are correct before he makes any variants. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:52, 22 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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While looking on Paul Pinn's archived site for a story he co-wrote with D. F. Lewis (couldn't find it) I discovered that Pinn had several pages offering some of his short stories (some very filthy including one that is on ISFDB only as by "uncredited" that nearly caused the zine it appeared in to go out of business). I added links but the last one, https://web.archive.org/web/20011024002257/http://www.paulpinn.com/morestories/, is from an Odyssey magazine that is not one of these, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=odyssey+m&type=Magazine. The editor has a page here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?31614, with no mention of the zine. Cold Tonnage has some covers, https://www.coldtonnage.com/quicksearch/all/odyssey%20lecky, and there were at least 7 issues. Pinn's story title appears nowhere in a search on Google (the only mention of the title is a song by the 70's UK rock band Slack Alice which translates as "Soldier of the World") so I'm guessing this is a very obscure zine; if anyone can find more info a lot of new stories can probably be entered here. EDIT: Pinn died back in 2016 so I added that and other stuff to his record here. EDIT: Some of his stories are by Paul E. Pinn so if anyone knows what the E stands for his legal name can be entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:19, 23 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?223006; Chilton doesn't seem to have any English-language books on Archive.org but many of her books were translated into Welsh and one of them on this page, https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL500489A/Irma_Chilton?mode=ebooks&sort=old, has a vampire on the cover and so is likely a genre book, in case anyone here is familiar with that language and wants to enter it or any others that qualify. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:21, 24 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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== From Time To Time ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?436; I added OL ID to original Scribner HC some time ago and today I added the Archive.org link, also added link to 1996 Scribner paperback, last page is picture credits with no page number, only one person actually entered the numbers as 303+[1], should other 304 page counts be changed to that, too, or should that be changed to 304, also should Schuck be removed from cover artists since she did design only? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:24, 25 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34563; One of those uploaders that provide completely searchable copies just uploaded the USA Pocket edition of Elwood's anthology which is hard to find these days. Ex-PV Bluesman who had a problem with dates, many of which have needed fixing by me or others, seems to have confused some info on the Canadian edition's copyright page and entered the cover art as April instead of June. If someone could read the notes and decide whether it should be June then it needs fixing. Also, the HC, which I somehow never added a link to until now even though it's been there for more than 2 years, had cover artist entered as Stanislaw even though someone wrote in the note that it said Stanislow but they just decided to "fix" it, so is the rule here to enter it as is? Also, note says he's credited on back flap but there's no info like that in the archived copy (bad framing?) but there is in this badly-shot photo from eBay, [https://www.picclickimg.com/images/g/to0AAOSwqdlk~TB6/s-l1600.jpg]. EDIT: A similar Trident HC/Pocket PB case here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282516, where Bluesman wrote the same kind of note but in this case decided to make the month the same as the USA edition (?). I wonder how many more of these there are out there. EDIT: While looking into all this I stumbled on a recently uploaded (jacketless puke-green) copy of Joseph Elder's other anthology The Farthest Reaches so I added a link in case anyone was searching for that book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:58, 26 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34539; IF US PB artist was taken from HC why is his last name spelled differently? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:53, 26 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?27851; One of my D. F. Lewis story links was just approved and it originally appeared in the above-linked magazine so mod RTrace standardized issue titles as he usually does but I discovered that Luminist has most of the issues as PDF files. While adding links and replacing broken images I discovered that the last issue which was called Winter here was actually published in July! While fixing dates I also found that a story by Andy M. Smith was actually by Andy Smith and that a story by him in another issue says Andy M. on ISFDB, Andy on Contents page, but it's A. M. on story title page. I fixed these things which should be approved soon but I'm sure there's other stuff people can find that I missed. EDIT: Also, if anyone is going to link all those Smiths together I doubt the cover art credit by Andy Smith is the same as the one who wrote those stories 20 years earlier and it's also unlikely that the recent horror anthology edited by A. M. Smith is by the same guy, either, so there might be 3 variants of the SF writer's name plus 2 separate authors. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:28, 26 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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Related to my previous message, Luminist has recently updated their zine list, http://readitfree.org/FZ/FZ_updates.htm, in case anyone is looking for any of those issues. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:40, 26 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?2237; https://fantlab.ru/series8593; Cover images broken but FantLab has them if they need replacing; is that Italian site dead? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:23, 26 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Sci Fi Wire/ SyFy Wire - webzine or website? ==
 
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I recently rejected an edit to change the type of the container title of {{P|968445|this publication}} from NONFICTION to ESSAY.  The editor, who I believe is the author of the piece, questioned me about the rejection.  I stand by the rejection as the edit would have put the publication into an invalid state. However, in looking further into the record, I'm not certain whether the publication should have been added in the first place.  The essay in question is a review of a television show that was posted on the Sci Fi Wire site. Our [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules of Acquisition|ROA]] specifically exclude "Works published in a web-based publication and available exclusively as a Web page" unless they are explicitly included.  The two exceptions under inclusions that may apply here are: "Webzines, which are defined as online periodicals with distinct issues (note that online periodicals without distinct issues are not considered webzines)." and "Online publications available exclusively as a Web page, but only if: published by a market which makes the author eligible for SFWA membership".  Unfortunately, the link to SFWAs list of markets doesn't give an easy way to determine whether Sci Fi Wire was a market back in 2009 when the piece was published.  They do not appear in the current list of markets. The archived link in the publication record does show a date for the item, and appears similar to how tor.com is presented in that respect.  I don't follow the SyFy site, so I'd like to ask the community whether we want to consider Sci Fi Wire/SyFy Wire to be a webzine or a website?  If the former, I think the publication in question can be converted to a magazine and the essay added.  If it's a website, it appears to fall outside the ROA and should be deleted.  Thoughts?  Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:29, 26 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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:Since it appears to be an essay about the television show ''Fringe'', it shouldn't be included as NONFICTION. I would consider Paul Levinson to be "above the threshold", so it could be included as an ESSAY if it's part of a distinct issue of the Sci Fi Wire. As far as I can tell (and remember), Sci Fi Wire was a blog-like news and information site about speculative fiction topics (books, TV, movies, etc.), and it never had distinct issues. Therefore, I don't think it should be included here unless it's part of a book or something that's reprinting it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:51, 26 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Thanks for opening this discussion.  I can give the following info about Sci Fi Wire: It was a continually updated news site about science fiction related matters.  It published news, reviews, etc about science fiction movies and TV shows, and (in case this is relevant), it was a paying market.  According to SFWA rules (I was President of the organization from 1998-2001, and am a Lifetime Member), a sale like I made to Sci Fi Wire would have counted as a professional nonfiction sale, and satisfied a criterion for admission to SFWA as an Affiliate Member. Hope this helps, and it's fine with me whatever is decided about this publication for ISFDB [[User:PaulLev|PaulLev]] ([[User talk:PaulLev|talk]]) 01:15, 27 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5777341; Cover mentioned in original note has a $6.95 Canadian price so it is a later one but both it and the OL cover I added which is the same as the archived copy's cover say USA price is $4.95. If anyone can show a cover with $4.50 I'd be surprised because none online say that so I'll chalk it up to a book entered long ago with faulty info. Also, Derleth isn't credited on title page as mentioned in the note; does that change anything as to how the book is credited here? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:05, 27 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?135658; I randomly came across Zombies for Jesus and added Archive.org link + corrected page count; no contents entered, no stories in his record, descriptions on back cover make it sound like not all the stories are genre (he has a lot of "literary" credits), https://archive.org/search?query=townsend-johnny&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22 and https://archive.org/search?query=johnny-townsend&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22 reveal that he has at least 3 other archived collections plus there are a few others that sound promising on his OL page, https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL7587355A/Johnny_Townsend?sort=old, so if anyone actually wants to read them at least some of the stories probably belong here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:12, 27 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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I had a Douglas Adams moment when I edited one of my books in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?9984 Gollancz SF] series - 14 titles in a series of 10.
 
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Comments please. Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:06, 28 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Thanks for your input Joe. I had considered including dates in the series titles but concluded it isn't practicable. The main reason is that the series overlap considerably. As these are are arbitrarily separated out series we don't have any firm start/finish dates - our only guidance is the dating (and some are undated) for the publications we have in the database. If subsequent editions are found which fall out of range of any existing stated criteria this may be confusing/exclusionary.
 
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https://archive.org/details/hr-giger-necronomicon; https://archive.org/details/hr-giger-necronomicon-1977_202309; Strangely enough this is not on ISFDB (#2 is) in case anyone fluent wants to enter it (I think later copy was just ripped from original uploader because they look the same). Language is, um, German, I think? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:28, 29 September 2023 (EDT)
 
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== C$ Tolkien ==
 
  
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_publisher&O_2=contains&TERM_2=methuen&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=contains&TERM_3=tolkien&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_publisher&O_2=contains&TERM_2=magnum&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=contains&TERM_3=tolkien&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; I added links to 2 of these Canadian editions today and some editors entered publisher normally and others entered it with (Canada), most are PV so a consensus should be reached about whether they belong with parent publisher names or really should be separated. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:26, 29 September 2023 (EDT)
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== David (B.) Mattingly ==
  
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== Nouveau Space Opera ==
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Looking through the works credited to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?37498 Mattingly], it seems to me that "David Mattingly" is the most common (by far), and has been for a long time. There are so many entries, though, this opinion is based only on quickly scanning through the list. Is there a way to get a count of each through database queries? I don't think any of the other aliases are used in a significant amount. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:58, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
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: Just with search and a browser search: 510 with the name David Mattingly; 747 under the canonical; 198 of these 747 of them are "only as by David Mattingly". Just based on that, how we record the names from secondary sources for artists and the fact that the new ones are always without the B. when we get access to the book, I would say it is time to flip the names. I am not volunteering to do it though. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:58, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1987278; I'd like to add a link to this book but there are 2 records that seem like they're the same. One should probably be deleted or merged and, once done, I'll add the link. Earlier one was entered by Hauck (hates ISFDB now so I don't think they'd care much if their record was gone) while the other was entered much later. EDIT: The one with 667 pages is correct because last page is unnumbered; price is also correct. Also, Hauck may not have entered the other one, he just made an edit and approved a couple of others. Must have been one of those early edits before records were kept. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:53, 30 September 2023 (EDT)
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== Fantascienza ==
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: The easiest way that I can think of is to run a few Advanced Title Searches using "Author's Name is exactly David Mattingly". Make sure to click "Get Count" instead of "Get Results". Here are the results that I see:
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:* David B. Mattingly: 747
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:* David Mattingly: 510
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:* Dave Mattingly: 12
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:* D. B. Mattingly: 7
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:* Mattingly: 2
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:* David Burroughs Mattingly: 1
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: Since {{A|David B. Mattingly}} is the current canonical name, it's over-represented. Every "David Mattingly" COVERART/INTERIORART title has a "David B. Mattingly" parent title, but only some of the latter have actual publications associated with them. Firefox tells me that the Summary Bibliography page has:
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:* 207 instances of "only as"
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: What this means is that 339 canonical titles have only appeared under an alternate name. Another 87 have been credited at least 2 different ways. 339+87-12-7-1-1-2 is 403, which, unless I am missing something, gives us a rough count. I'd need to run database queries to get a better idea, but it looks like "David Mattingly" is slightly ahead of "David B. Mattingly".
  
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I was looking for something by using the term "della fantascienza" and didn't find it but these, https://archive.org/search?query=%22della+fantascienza%22&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22, came up in case any can prove useful to anyone; the Robot magazine, in particular, looks promising. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:54, 30 September 2023 (EDT)
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: P.S. Perhaps what we need is a new menu options to generate this kind of data on demand. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:03, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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== This World Is Taboo ==
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::That would be cool. Another cool thing would be if we could figure out a way to programatically automate the process of changing canonical names (maybe have a side menu link that appears whenever viewing an author entry). The link would take you to a page where you'd enter the current author ID and the target author ID. We'd have to account for variants on the author name, title variants, and translations (and probably a lot of other things that I'm not thinking of off the top of my head). For situations like this, it would save tons of time in the long run. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:37, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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{{T|3533|This World Is Taboo}} is currently listed as a novel with a title record note of "first appeared as 'Pariah Planet' in Amazing, July 1961". A word count of the {{P|272861|Project Gutenberg edition}} (which is a transcription of the Ace Book edition) shows it to be 35,932 words (so a novella and not a novel). A comparison of the [https://archive.org/details/Amazing_Stories_v35n07_1961-07_UnkSc-cape1736/page/n5/mode/2up Amazing Stories, July 1961 Internet Archive scan] shows the text of {{T|60646|Pariah Planet}} to match that of "This World Is Taboo". So "This World Is Taboo" should be converted to a novella and varianted to "Pariah Planet". This would also require converting {{T|136377|The Med Series}} from an omnibus to a collection as all contents would then be short fiction.
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::: This functionality has been requested a couple of times. Unfortunately, it would be very difficult to implement in a way that would guarantee completeness and accuracy. Not only would the software need to change the way VTs and Alternate Names are configured, but it would also need to change dates (for some titles) and Notes.
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::: Perhaps we could implement something less ambitious but still useful. For example, "Undo all Variants for This Author"? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:22, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
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::::Yeah, it's definitely very complex. I like the "Undo all Variants for This Author" idea, though. What about a "swap canonical authors" option on individual titles? That would be a lot less complex and allow for easier catching of potential issues.  ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:48, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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I will be notifying all the active verifiers of pubs containing "This World Is Taboo" and pointing them to this centralized conversation. If there are no objections, I will convert the novel to a novella in a few days. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 06:42, 1 October 2023 (EDT)
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::::: I don't see the benefit of an "Undo all Variants for This Author" tool. A variant title only needs to be broken if both the canonical title and the variant tiles have publications attributed. If all the publication(s) are associated with the variant title, a simple merge is the best option. Not only does it save a step by not having to delete the old canonical, but it saves all the information. Some data is only stored in the "parent title", plus any edit history. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:38, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
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:No objections to converting.  Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:30, 1 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5780069. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:35, 1 October 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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::: Works for me as well. The Project Gutenberg version of "Pariah Planet" contains 35,002 words, but the difference may be due to the extensive footers and headers (copyright statements etc) that PG tends to add. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:44, 1 October 2023 (EDT)
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::I'm slowly working through all of them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:42, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
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::::Imported the story text of both PG versions (excluding headers, footers, page numbers) into Word and did a compare. Pariah has 34,041 words and Taboo has 35,932 words. There has been some editing between the two versions including a scattering of an additional explanatory sentence here and there. All in all, it's close enough to consider the same work. I will add an explanatory note to both title records when varianting. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:48, 1 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::: Ok with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:30, 1 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::::Support the change.15:58, 1 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::::Works for me, thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 23:25, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::::: Ok with me too. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 11:16, 4 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::::::Sounds good to me. Definitely include the above information in the note for the TITLE record. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:45, 4 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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:Changes made as discussed. Thanks all. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:37, 7 October 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== More than one edition? ==
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:::I have completed moving all the records to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1814 David Mattingly]. I think someone else was moving them, too, so thanks to them, too. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:32, 22 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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Hi. I just heard of this at Capclave this weekend. Looked up my one published (so far) novel, 11,000 Years.
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:::: Joe, thanks for sorting this out. I noticed [[User:Zapp|Zapp]] was helping you. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:38, 22 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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Problem: the original publisher, the late Eric Flint's Ring of Fire Press, was shut down after his death. The novel is now *republished* by another publisher. I don't see "other editions", or any obvious reasonable way to add this info (which is important to me, since it *is* now back in print.
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== Server downtime -- 2024-04-06 at 2pm ==
  
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Thanks in advance. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Whitroth|Whitroth]] ([[User talk:Whitroth|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Whitroth|contribs]]) .</small> 08:18, 2 October 2023‎ (EDT)
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The ISFDB server will be down for maintenance between 2:00pm and 2:10pm. Both the database side and the Wiki side will be unavailable. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:28, 6 April 2024 (EDT)
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:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3054628. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:59, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Since the new editions will have different ISBNs and publishers, they are just a new publication under the same title. You can certainly add notes to both the title and publication records as well. It looks like the tp edition was added by Fixer back in August but the ebook is yet to be added. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:35, 3 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?13521; If you enter anything I think the publisher should be changed in some way to differ it from the one that did magazines 50 years ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:27, 3 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::Cute, Amazon. Per the Look-inside views, the publisher is actually Novus Mundi Publishing. If you want me to do the edits and clone for the ebook, I can but you can do it yourself. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 17:09, 3 October 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Fosses d'Iverson ==
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: The server is back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:05, 6 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://archive.org/search?query=dan+simmons+fosses; I was doing a bunch of Dan Simmons edits and came across that French edition where they packaged his story "Iverson's Pits" into its own separate book; in case anyone here who's fluent wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:15, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
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== The Prequel Trilogy ==
  
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== Beyond the Doors of Death ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5934500; I have a question about the publisher of this 2007 Star Wars omnibus; there is no mention of Ballantine in the book so it should be similar to the last one on this list, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=del+rey&type=Publisher, but without the SFBC. Should I change publisher to LucasBooks / Del Rey? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 7 April 2024 (EDT)
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:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5934540; I changed publisher on this one since they were still with Ballantine in 2000. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:22, 7 April 2024 (EDT)
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::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5934546; Another change from 2005 when they were still together. I don't see any cover artist credited that someone entered here or any sign of the excerpt mentioned on the book's copyright page. EDIT: One of the earlier editions has a note here saying they got artist from his site. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:31, 7 April 2024 (EDT)
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:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5934585; Another one from 2006; this one actually has a PV so I'll leave them a message. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:12, 7 April 2024 (EDT)
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::::And a final one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5934586, 2005 HC, PV is gone so no need for a note. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:18, 7 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5781424; Title date is different than date of both editions, intro is entered with one of those dates while Broderick's original story is entered with the other date, what should the real date be for all of these? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:55, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
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== Semaphore ==
  
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== Complete Cthulhu Mythos Tales ==
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https://www.lulu.com/fr/search?contributor=Marie+Hodgkinson; While adding PDF story links from Tartarus Press at their old freepages.pavilion.net site the last one I linked was a story by Rebecca Lloyd that was entered here as original to her 2014 collection but was actually published in 2007 in a magazine called Semaphore, no issues of which are on ISFDB, but I found that Lulu page above so anyone who likes entering magazines can add a lot from that. The editor has a page here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?143960. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:41, 9 April 2024 (EDT)
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:https://web.archive.org/web/20240000000000*/semaphoremagazine.com; PDF of some (all?) issues at this site. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:50, 9 April 2024 (EDT)
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::Looks like it has archived PDFs of all but the last issue (issue 15) from June 2011. I'll work on these. The first issue is now [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1002803 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:32, 9 April 2024 (EDT)
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:::Okay, I think they're [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?73131 all entered] (15 issues in total). I also found a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?73148 couple anthologies] collecting the stories and poems voted best by readers of the magazine. I don't know if there were more than the two anthologies. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:33, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
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::::Excellent. Only thing I think you forgot is June 2008's cover artist. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:07, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
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:::::Fixed! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:11, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5781813; I'm not sure which of those 3 page counts is correct. Last numbered page is 593 but there's an "About the Artist" page following it which probably shouldn't count but the editor of the Sterling edition here entered 594 and also has the Roman numerals one higher than the Fall River edition, so maybe Sterling added an extra page to the book and the last numbered page really is 594. If anyone owns Fall River, B&N first printing or Sterling all that can be checked and fixed as needed. Also, does ISFDB software know not to import titles already there? Because I think it removed intro automatically which someone added to all 3 editions. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:02, 3 October 2023 (EDT)
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== David Ireland ==
  
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== Jane Gaskell Sphere Editions ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?3106; I just made edits adding the Allen Lane HC of City of Women and adding a link to Mortal Fire where the 1982 short story is from and noticed that the Wiki page makes no mention of any art so I think the famed Australian novelist and the artist are 2 different people. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:28, 11 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://archive.org/search?query=jane+gaskell+sphere&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=year%3A%221967%22; Those books have prices and dates which are the same as what's on ISFDB but the covers are totally different; anybody who knows the history of these UK paperbacks where they change covers and nothing else may know what year these are really from and would like to enter them here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 4 October 2023 (EDT)
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== Canonical name change Jody A. Lee from Jody Lee ==
  
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== Who Is N. Dalby? ==
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The [https://www.jodylee.org/ artist's website] and [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/lee_jody_a SFE] use Jody A. Lee. While the majority of her early work was credited to 'Jody Lee', the shift to 'Jody A. Lee' is clear. Here are the current statistics.
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*111 titles credited to Jody A. Lee.
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*73 titles credited to Jody Lee.
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*26 titles hasve publications credited to each.
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Are there any objections to making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25820 Jody A. Lee] the canonical name and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25602 Jody Lee] the alternate? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:24, 11 April 2024 (EDT)
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:Sounds good to me. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:41, 11 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/all-hallows-3-1991-the-journal-of-the-ghost-story-society-barbara-roden-christopher-roden-ash-tree-press-4; I suspect the N. Dalby credited on p. 13 is actually Richard Dalby; does anyone own this issue who can look for a signature on the artwork if there is one? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:17, 4 October 2023 (EDT)
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:: No objections here. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:47, 11 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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== Late Victorian Gothic Tales ==
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::: Hearing no objections, done. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:47, 15 April 2024 (EDT)
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::::https://ixgallery.com/artists/jodylee/; Here's her photo in case someone wants to upload it to the wiki. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:58, 15 April 2024 (EDT)
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:::::{{done}}Done! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:28, 17 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?448651; I added an archived 2009 edition (7th printing) just now and was nearly fooled into cut-and-pasting the page count from the 2009 edition already on ISFDB until my usual paranoia caused me to check the copy itself only to discover count is much higher, 282 pages. Does anyone own the first printing who can check and fix count if needed? There's no edit history; I'm sure all printings are 282 and the wrong info is from Amazon or some other unreliable site. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:44, 4 October 2023 (EDT)
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== ISBN hyphenation changed ==
  
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== Balzac ==
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As I am sure most of you know, different publishers' ISBNs are hyphenated differently. Possible permutations include:
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* 978-1-9821-9317-1
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* 979-8-200-29585-2
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* 979-8-9856919-6-2
  
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Looking for the year of publication by P. F. Collier & Son New York For The First Complete Translation into English Honore de Balzac in Twenty-Five volumes? There is not ISBN number. The covers are green with gold lettering and HB is embossed on the cover and binder side. {{unsigned|Tina.adams}}
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"The International ISBN Agency" maintains [https://www.isbn-international.org/range_file_generation a list of rules] which determine in which positions hyphens are supposed to appear. Almost all publishers follow them, although there have been some exceptions, notably Tor prior to 2007.
  
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: I have this edition in my collection, but it's currently boxed and I can't get to it. Luckily, you can view and/or download individual volumes of this edition from Google Books, e.g. [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Honor%C3%A9_de_Balzac_in_Twenty_five_Volumes/I_RDAAAAYAAJ?hl=en Volume 25]. There is "MCM" at the bottom of the title page, which is Roman numerals for "1900". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:12, 5 October 2023 (EDT)
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When ISFDB 2.0 was developed in 2004-2006, the rules -- as they existed back then -- were manually incorporated in the ISFDB software. What we didn't realize at the time was how complex the rules would become over the course of the following 20 years. As the number of publishers (and self-publishers) exploded, the International ISBN Agency had to create more and more rules to accommodate the growth and the ISBN handling part of the ISFDB software, which was last updated in 2010, fell hopelessly behind. The result was that many ISBNs were hyphenated incorrectly when displayed on ISFDB pages.
  
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::I too have this collection which is why I was enquiring. I inherited it along with a collection of Robert Louis Stevenson published in New York by Charles Scriberner's Sons from 1905. {{unsigned|Tina.adams}}
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Earlier today I deployed a fairly big patch which changed the way the ISFDB software determines where hyphens are displayed. We now follow the International ISBN Agency's current rules to the letter. There is also a way to update our rules programmatically whenever the Agency rolls out new rules. I expect that we will be doing it a few times a year, which will let us stay more or less in sync with the Agency. (We also have special exceptions for Tor and the other 2 publishers which didn't follow the rules prior to 2007.)
  
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:::https://archive.org/search?query=%22+p.+f.+collier%22+balzac+volumes&sort=title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 5 October 2023 (EDT)
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As always, if you come across any issues with this software change, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:07, 16 April 2024 (EDT)
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:Thanks for all your hard work behind the scenes on stuff like this. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:03, 16 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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== Nick Smith ==
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:: To quote Damon Knight, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Serve_Man_(The_Twilight_Zone) I am here to serve man!] :-) {{unsigned|Ahasuerus}}
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?41231; The Smith who wrote the 4 novels is from England and born in 1972 (I've been adding stuff to Luath Press books and his bio is on their site) so is not the same Smith who did everything else on the page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:15, 7 October 2023 (EDT)
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== Publication Title Without a Related Title Record ==
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:Novelist has been separated out. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:40, 7 October 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Alexander Forbes ==
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I am about to create a new pub record under [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1034 That Hideous Strength] by C. S. Lewis.  There is a subtitle on the title page so the full, correct publication title is: <i>That Hideous Strength: A Modern Fairy-Tale for Grown-Ups</i>. Looking at the title record I see there are five publications (three of which have been PVd) with this subtitle. However, they do not have a related title record "That Hideous Strength: A Modern Fairy-Tale for Grown-Ups" and consequently there is no varianting. Is this correct and if so why? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:42, 17 April 2024 (EDT)
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: It is not correct. The publication title should match the reference title. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?93 This report] highlights 1000 exceptions each day (I don't know the selection algorithm). First determine, subtitle or no subtitle, which should be the canonical? It's also a good idea to review the publications and make sure they are recorded correctly. Whichever you determine, it will be a multi-step edit. Ask if you have questions.  If I'm online, ping me and I'll approve as you submit. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:14, 17 April 2024 (EDT)
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::You have confirmed my suspicions. The cleanup report to which you refer does not include "That Hideous Strength" so I guess it's because it is limited to 1000 records. I'm happy to clean up this title. I'm satisfied that "That Hideous Strength" (without subtitle) is the more appropriate canonical title. I have inspected the five pub records with the subtitle and each looks internally consistent. Three of these have PVs. Do I need to consult with PVs or can this sort of housekeeping be performed without PVs' consent? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 12:42, 18 April 2024 (EDT)
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::: It's not necessary to contact the PV's. You're merely correcting the reference title. I know you intend to perform all the steps and will indicate such in the note to moderator. I noticed this title wasn't on the report. Perhaps [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] will chime in and explain the algorithm determining which titles to report. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:45, 18 April 2024 (EDT)
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::::First step submitted: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5944215 Unmerge titles]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:26, 18 April 2024 (EDT)
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:::::Approved, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:33, 18 April 2024 (EDT)
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::::::Step 2 submitted: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5944273 merge the 5 reference titles of the subtitled version]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:12, 18 April 2024 (EDT)
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:::::::Approved, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:17, 18 April 2024 (EDT)
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::::::::Step 3 submitted: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5944284 make subtitled version a variant of canonical title].
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::::::::Think that's it for the pubs but I can see there's more work to do:
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::::::::A) These two pubs: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?900677 Macmillan 1966] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262760 Macmillan 1977] have the variant title but the same canonical coverart title records. So I'm pretty sure these need to be changed. The only way I can see to do this involves five more edits:
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::::::::Step 4) edit one of the pubs (1966, say) and create a second coverart record under the variant title
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::::::::Step 5) variant the coverart record
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::::::::Step 6) import the variant coverart record to the 1977 pub
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::::::::Step 8) remove the canonical coverart record from the 1977 pub
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::::::::Is there a more efficient way to do this?
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::::::::B) Those same two pubs contain an essay [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?965984 Preface (That Hideous Strength)] which has a disambiguator under the canonical title. Does the disambiguator have to be changed to the variant title. I'm unsure about this because the phrase is only a disambiguator; it's not actually part of the title of the essay. Can you please advise.
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::::::::My goodness, this is long-winded! [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:11, 18 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?127476; A copy of Radio Gunner was uploaded earlier this year so I have an edit pending with a link, either the story is by some youngster or they reprinted something by the older guy, also FantLab has someone with a similar name who illustrated an old book that seems to be about fairies judging by some of the scanned photos (Blue Fairy, maybe?), https://fantlab.ru/art9514, but his dates don't match the novelist so probably a different Forbes, if anyone can translate maybe they can decide whether the fairy book belongs here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:56, 7 October 2023 (EDT)
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Submit two edits for each pub. (All four at once)
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*Submission 1 - Add the new variant titles, COVERART and preface.
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*Submission 2 - Remove the canonicals.
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Since these submissions will generate change notices, reference this conversation in the note to moderator.
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After I approve all four, I'll perform the two merges. You will just need to link the variants. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:48, 18 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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== Canonical name change Xan van Rooyen from Suzanne van Rooyen ==
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::Yes, I see where you're going with this. About the same number of edits but fewer Wait For Approval stages. Four edits submitted. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 07:12, 19 April 2024 (EDT)
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:::Approved, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:22, 19 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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Any objections to making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?328437 Xan van Rooyen] the canonical name and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?165580 Suzanne van Rooyen] an alternate?
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::::Two Make Variants submitted. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 07:52, 19 April 2024 (EDT)
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* 15 titles credited to Xan van Rooyen.
 
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The about section on the [http://suzannevanrooyen.com/about-xan/ author's website] (the url does use suzannevanrooyen) is titled Xan van Rooyen and the author explicitly asks to be called Xan. All titles since 2020 are credited to Xan van Rooyen. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:32, 7 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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:Sounds good to me. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:03, 9 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: Hearing no objections, the relationship has been reversed. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:07, 13 October 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== ESFS ==
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:::::I've checked all the affected records and everything looks good to me apart from one error that must have been present before we started the cleanup: the date of the canonical title of the Preface ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5944959 correction submitted]). So I think we've finally reached the end. If there's anything I've missed, let me know. Many thanks for all your assistance with this John. Much appreciated. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:34, 19 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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While searching for something I came across this, https://fantlab.ru/award30; I don't see that award on ISFDB so maybe this can be something useful to enter for someone. There's a few mentions of it in notes, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=esfs. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:14, 8 October 2023 (EDT)
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::::::Fortunately, there is a scan of the first edition in the internet archive. I added the preface and a link to the scan [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?87759 here]. As you know, the canonical is dated to the first appearance, even if it is as a variant. I put your submission on hold, assuming you would rather cancel than have me reject it. I enjoyed working on this with you. Ping me anytime. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:43, 19 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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== Falcons ==
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:::::::Oh, that's interesting. It hadn't occurred to me to look for an archive of the first ed because I had looked in Currey who states the following regarding the first Pan pb (1955): 'adds new author's "preface"'. So it's possible that there are two different prefaces. This requires more research which I don't have time to do now and may not have the resources anyway. But it's fine to leave the ISFDb records as they are for now; they are all self consistent. I have cancelled my submission. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 04:46, 20 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5785847; I entered Book of Lyonne here nearly 2 years ago; today I came across 2 eBay listings with 12 photos each. I see the reason I didn't enter the price back then is because FantLab has a price-clipped photo but eBay copies are not clipped. I think all 8 Peake drawings are viewable; I see the lion on the frontispiece, a weird hybrid creature with an umbrella, a little man-beast smoking a cigar, the lion with a Japanese lady, a tiptoeing elephant, a couple of ducks, a monkey diving at a bird, and a group shot of a bunch of animals following the lion around a tree. I also want to clear up the Falcon Press mess which I believe I asked about a long time ago without success. Per the note the UK publisher used both Falcon Press and The Falcon Press; I suppose it's possible that the UK Frazetta book published more than 20 years after the others is by the same publisher but I doubt it. Then there's Wilson's 2 US books and a much later reprint of a Robert W. Chambers book. So we've got 1, possibly 2, UK and 1, possibly 2, US Falcons. If anyone's interested and can provide more info I'm sure we can separate all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:30, 8 October 2023 (EDT)
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== Trademark markings in titles ==
  
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== Elizabeth Davis ==
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My understanding is that we generally don't include symbols like ® and <sup>TM</sup> in titles because they usually indicate information ''about'' the title but are not usually ''part'' of the title. As JLaTondre [[ISFDB:Community Portal/Archive/Archive28#Shadowkeep|wrote in 2012]], "There is distinction between a title that has a '®' or 'TM' as part of the title and a title that adds the '®' or 'TM' for legal reasons." I'm asking because I ran across [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2720942 this title] that has one as part of the title, and I don't think it's actually part of the title itself, but rather added for legal reasons. This might be something we should clarify on [[Help:Screen:Title]]. This was discussed [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive03#One_for_the_.22EXACT_title.2C_including_all_punctuation_and_special_characters.22_crowd way back in 2007], but I haven't yet found any more recent discussions (outside of the 2012 one I mentioned above). Thoughts? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:51, 23 April 2024 (EDT)
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:I'm the editor with the sole PV for that ebook pub. I have no objection to removing it since the trademark symbol really only applies to the "Liaden Universe" portion of the title. It is on the title page and cover that way. Clarification of the rule would be a good idea. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 13:44, 23 April 2024 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?210874; Someone recently entered Old Woman and I followed up with a PENDING edit fixing/adding stuff; the story & poem almost certainly belong to one of the other Davises but they're both contemporary so it's hard to say which. I would guess it's (I) but her webpage isn't found online and typing the titles of the story and poem together on Google gets nothing so no online bibliography, it seems. EDIT: Davis (I) webpage, https://www.elizabethdavis.mercierdavis.com/, is found if you type it directly into the URL bar but her bibliography ends in 2021; both story and poem are 2022. The search goes on. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:57, 8 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Smashwords Author Images ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5786282; Coming across that awful author photo annoyed me so much I tried to replace it but Amazon seems to no longer have that one and now has 2 that are equally worthless; one is an "S" image that ISFDB doesn't like and the other isn't actually a photo but some kind of cartoon drawing. I resorted to looking at the old ISFDB "image linking permissions" page and decided to try Smashwords, found his photo, checked to see how the image is supposed to be entered, and to my great surprise it worked. Then I decided to do an advanced author search for images containing either "cloudfront" or "smashwords" and got nothing. So is it possible that this will be the only Smashwords photo on ISFDB? Anyway, anyone looking for images on Amazon who can't find any or only bad ones, try Smashwords. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:13, 9 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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: 230 publications use smashword images as of 13:43, 9 October 2023. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:43, 9 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Authors is what I was referring to. Book covers are usually uploaded on many sites but photos are often unique. I searched this page, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_selection.cgi?author, for "Author Image contains smashwords" and got nothing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:08, 9 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::I approved the submission, but then uploaded the image from their Amazon author page as it wasn't blurry like the Smashwords image. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:01, 9 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Mary M. ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?60641; A mod just entered a 1984 novel with a jacket credit by Mary Mietzelfeld that I added plus other stuff, usual paranoia caused me to search for similar names and I got the link above, I imported cover credit into '85 US and Canada and changed the date, there's also a 16th printing that has the cover credit but no cover, lots of PV for various editions so they may want to look into this and figure out where the credit came from since notes imply there's no credit in the book for some or all of the editions. Only other credit on Google I can find for "Mary Meitzelfeld" is a 1970's Mario Puzo book so I'd think Mietzelfeld is the correct spelling. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:06, 9 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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== 2nd Utopia Awards ==
 
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I asked a few months ago if the [https://www.clificon.com/nominees-voting Utopia Awards for Utopian/Climate fiction] could be added, and I was told it would be better to wait for for it to have at least a second year. Since the second edition was awarded this week, could it be added to the database now? The award is connected to the [https://www.clificon.com/schedule-1/2023-utopia-awards-climate-fiction-conference Climate Fiction Conference], which was held yesterday, and it appeared on [https://locusmag.com/2023/10/2023-utopia-awards/ Locus Magazine], so it has some grounding. My apologies if the request is inadequate.
 
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: Thanks for the update! When we create a new Award Type, we populate the following fields:
 
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: I am trying to find information that we would need to populate these fields. So far I have had limited success. [https://www.android-press.com/clificon23/2022-utopia-award-nominees This Android Press page] seems to suggest that nominees are chosen by Android Press and the winners are determined by online voters, but it's not clear. Is there an online description of the award sponsors, nominee qualifications, award categories and the award selection process? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:16, 10 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: [https://twitter.com/solarpunklitmag/status/1651227649417650179 The nomination was also open to the public], though online voters, so both the nominees and the winners were chosen by the public. [https://www.clificon.com/nominations This link] had the rules of the qualifications during the voting process, but it's no longer visible since it was a Google formulary (like the British SF awards), from what I recall when I voted, the focus was on speculative stories (both sci fi and fantasy) about climate fiction or with an utopian/positive bent published in the previous year. You can see the categories [https://www.clificon.com/nominees-voting here]. {{unsigned|Alittlebook}}
 
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:::::: Thanks, the [https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/androidpress/utopia-awards-and-climate-fiction-conference Kickstarter link] is very useful. So basically the core organization behind the award is [https://www.android-press.com/about Android Press], which has [https://www.android-press.com/about/android-crew 8 editors]. They organize annual "Climate Fiction Conferences" and administer the Utopia Award.
 
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Hearing no objection, I have created a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?112 new Award Type] for "Utopia Award" as well as 9 award categories. Everything should be ready for "Add Award" submissions to be created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:38, 14 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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: Thanks! I'm adding the awards little by little, just a question: the winner of the Anthology category this year was a special issue of Omenana, a magazine. It seems like I can't add awards to magazine issues, what should I do about it? [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 16:20, 15 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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::: Got it. Just did like you said, thanks! [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 16:20, 15 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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: {{A|Peter Vorzimer}} was the way he was credited in the fanzine that he edited ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?227487 Abstract]) while {{A|Peter J. Vorzimer}} was the way he was credited when writing letters to {{A|Richard E. Geis}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?31311 Science Fiction Review (1st Series)]. Since "EDITOR" generally has more weight than "ESSAY" for the purposes of "best known within the genre", I made {{A|Peter Vorzimer}} the canonical name and {{A|Peter J. Vorzimer}} its alternate. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:56, 11 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Thanks. I wonder if his disappearance after a few years had anything to do with this, https://latimes.newspapers.com/article/the-los-angeles-times-woman-struck-by-au/127127953/, assuming it's the same guy; the zine WAS published in California. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:21, 11 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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::: Page 1 of the [https://fanac.org/fanzines/Abstract/ first issue of ''Abstract''] lists the publisher's address: 1311 N. Laurel Ave., W. Hollywood 46, Calif. The linked LA Times article has the same address, so it's the same person. I have added the middle name to the "legal name" field.
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5787245; It happens now and then where a URL will be different but image looks the same and is the same size. Is there no benefit to replacing or is it better to have a newer URL? Why does this happen? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:32, 11 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://fantlab.ru/edition388900; I was adding a link explaining the history of Stephen King's rare The Plant and came across that weird FantLab page where it seems a Russian publisher combined both Plant and King's hard-to-find 1977 Richard Bachman novel Rage which he hasn't allowed to be reprinted as a standalone novel in the USA because it concerns school shootings. So anyone fluent in Russian may want to add that book here since it contains 2 King works that haven't been reprinted endlessly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:00, 12 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?692274; OL-only archived copy, unusual for such a recent book, so I added a link and page numbers and corrected page count. I happened to notice that O'Regan's story was missing the word by at the end so I added that but I capitalized it in opposition to what this page says, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:AllFields:Case, because it has a different meaning in this title rather than being "by" someone. I looked at these, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=passed+by&type=Fiction+Titles, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=passes+by&type=Fiction+Titles, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=passing+by&type=Fiction+Titles, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=pass+by&type=Fiction+Titles. Most are like O'Regan's title as I entered it with the majority being capitalized but a few aren't; also, I think Tarzia's poem in the last link is the only one that uses it in the possessive so that is probably a legitimate use of the small b. What does anyone else think? Some will need to be changed to make everything standard. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:48, 13 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?348698; I made some edits for this book a long time ago and today found that the story by Douglas Graham is actually by D. Douglas Graham who has another story in the book by that name; I fixed that in a pending edit but while doing that I noticed that the stories are illustrated with the artists' names listed on the contents page but the search function on Google Books is not great and it's hard to find anything specific with accuracy. I see some pretty big names like Marge Simon, David Transue (who did Volume II's cover), etc. So if anyone knows how to get a look at the full copy a lot of artist credits can be entered; there seems to be no preview of Volume II but I'm guessing that's probably illustrated, too. These are rare books; the second one was recalled due to cover problems. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:37, 14 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?337356; I did a lot of John Coyne edits some time ago, doing more today, a lot of his HC editions on Archive.org are book club editions which aren't on ISFDB, I'm ignoring those but this one, https://archive.org/search?query=+hobgoblin00coyn&sort=-addeddate, is interesting, it says book club on front flap but, unlike other club editions, it's much longer, 307 pages, than what's on ISFDB. Library of Congress says 304 pages. So if anyone knows what non-club edition's count is, let us know. I'd like to add a link to the archived copy somewhere. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:59, 14 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?168059; I added archived link to $7.50 edition in a PENDING edit; should the other edition be deleted? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:43, 14 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5790172; I've added full contents but there's a problem with the last 2 poems. Her website's bibliography says 9/02 for this (Sng's title is not seen because contents are incomplete), https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439266, and it turns out it says "September" clearly on the cover so I don't know why it was entered here as October; do all dates need changing? Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?310470, where her site says "Turtle Shell" appeared in this issue but it says "The Scarecrow" here; I noticed the next poem by another author is "Scarecrow" so I have a feeling 2 poems got mixed up and Sng's title should be changed. However, that would require someone looking at an actual copy of this rare zine; can anyone help? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:39, 15 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?25623; Recent upload of Jaws, added a link and cover credit for famed artist Hector Garrido, none of the copies on eBay for By Pirate's Blood show copyright page, likely same artist judging by style but can't be positive, anyone own a copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:14, 15 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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...in [[Rules and standards discussions#Numbering of pages numbered in the ToC but not numbered themselves|this discussion]] on page numbering questions. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:09, 17 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27810; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791436; Photo was probably taken in the mid-20th century but doesn't look much better than the one taken of Jack the Ripper's last victim in 1888; also, he bears a disturbing resemblance to a certain German dictator. More to the point, FantLab says birth year is 1884 as do some other sites online; is 1886 accurate? Also, FantLab just says he died in 1960 with no day or month so the accuracy of those entered here may not be right, either. Clouding this whole issue is this, https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/187880368/lawrence-sterne-stevens, which seems to be the same guy judging by the picture but says 1885; headstone says the same (and 1960) but provides no days or months. Wow; messy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:37, 17 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Micromania ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?482014; https://picclick.com/?q=micromania+langford; I recently uploaded the cover, it was just approved, format says TP but cover looks like HC to me, Sphere PB has totally different ISBN (and cover), so either format should be changed to HC or there is a TP edition (but there's no proof of that online). Not sure what "adapted for the UK" on Langford's site means; did Platt have an American edition first? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:18, 18 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5786883; About this rejection, it's not correct that sale links aren't accepted because there's a whole bunch of them that were, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/webpages_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&WEBPAGE_VALUE=abebooks (the first one on that page doesn't count, it's Julie Abe's Facebook site), with at least the last one being entered by me last year and accepted with no problem, so can someone suggest how I can get that link accepted? Is there a mod here who doesn't have a problem with accepting them? Most of the AbeBooks links entered on ISFDB are still working and even when the product is sold many of the listings still remain on PicClick, Google Cache, Archive.org (https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://www.abebooks.com/signed-first-edition*), etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:36, 18 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?397958; I added archived TP link in PENDING edit, nearly got fooled into "fixing" page count to 427, usual paranoia caused me to check archived PB, it's 430, so either ex-library TP is ragged and last few pages fell out/got ripped out or Tor printers messed up. Does anyone own the TP who can verify that it ends on 430 and not 427? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:44, 18 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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Hello earthlings, I come forward with another micro award I found.
 
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The Ladies of Horror Fiction Awards (short form: LOHF Award) was horror award given to woman authors in 2020 (for works from 2019), 2021 (for works from 2020) and 2022 (for works from 2021) by a [https://www.facebook.com/LadiesofHorrorFiction/ self-proclaimed grasshoots organization] aimed at uplifting women authors. From what I saw, they worked mostly as a website posting reviews and the award itself, and later changed to HorrorSpotlight and seem to have dropped the award entirely after the name change. Here's the Locus Magazine post about the winners from [https://locusmag.com/2020/07/2019-ladies-of-horror-fiction-awards-winners/ 2020], [https://locusmag.com/2021/07/2020-ladies-of-horror-fiction-awards-winners/ 2021] and [https://locusmag.com/2022/06/2021-ladies-of-horror-fiction-awards-winners/ 2022]. From what I gathered, they were [https://web.archive.org/web/20210609181523/https://www.ladiesofhorrorfiction.com/2019/01/08/ladies-of-horror-fiction-awards/ juri-based] (chosen by the people who mantained the Ladies of Horror Fiction website/organization), and besides the typical categories of Novel, YA, MG, Debut, Collection, Poetry Collection. Novella and Short Fiction, they also had a special category in their last year called Readers Choice, which was open for the public to vote. From what I understood from the [https://locusmag.com/2022/06/2021-ladies-of-horror-readers-choice/ Locus Magazine post about the Readers Choice category], they worked as honorary mentions for the 2022 LOFT Awards, since they listed ten different works with no specific sole winner. Their 2020 award also listed short fiction under honorable mentions, with no specific winners. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 14:11, 18 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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: Our main concern with minor awards is separating legitimate awards from promotional "awards" given by publishers to their own authors as well as "awards" given by individuals to their friends. Given the fact that [https://www.facebook.com/LadiesofHorrorFiction/about the Facebook page] run by "Ladies of Horror Fiction" has 1.7K followers I think it's a reasonably safe bet that this falls on the "legitimate award" side and therefore eligible for inclusion. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:16, 1 November 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: Good to know! I've been taking notes on awards who aren't in the database already and slowly gathering info about them, if LOHF is added I'll work on adding the winners/nominees for it after finishing Argos. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 00:32, 2 November 2023 (EDT)
 
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::: Hearing no objection, I have created a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?114 new Award Type for Ladies of Horror Fiction Fiction Award]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:39, 10 November 2023 (EST)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?211621; I added archived links in PENDING edits to 3 editions of Greg Bear's Psychlone and noticed the edition re-titled Lost Souls had a small dark cover uploaded by, um, me in 2022. Oops. It's better than the raggedy creased cover uploaded by someone else way back in 2010 but the problem is that almost every cover currently online is the same as the one I uploaded, gregbear.com, FantLab, Open Library, etc.; the creased cover image seems to have totally disappeared (except on the Wiki page here, of course) or maybe it was someone's personal copy. The one eBay copy has a far-away tiny photo with a cracked spine and someone's bookcase in the background. Then I had a vague memory that there was a site devoted to Ace Books (not Bookscans because they end in 1980 and this edition is 1982); I found a page, http://people.uncw.edu/smithms/Ace_5N4.html, but ominously clicking the book's cover link does absolutely nothing. That sparked a memory that while editing some time ago I noticed that images from that site are broken so I assume the server where the images were kept is dead. No problem, I thought, I'll go for the archived image; only problem is I got this, [https://web.archive.org/web/20111105034307/http://people.uncw.edu/smithms/Ace%20singles/s5N-series/49492-7.jpg]. Here's a list of books with an image URL from that site, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_frontimage&O_2=contains&TERM_2=people.uncw.edu&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], most are PV and a few that aren't are non-fiction books that don't really belong here, although there are a few non-PV books that do belong so I'll see if I can replace those. PV of all the others should probably replace theirs, too. As for Lost Souls, chime in if you can find a good cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:21, 18 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27207; I left a note to PV Stoecker about the last book in Ladd's record (which I've added an Archive.org link to, not approved yet) letting him know the artist stopped doing cover art in the mid-80s so that 1994 cover is likely re-used from somewhere else. While doing this I noticed the first book in Ladd's record, which has a collage on the cover, uses the girl from 1980's The Northern Girl but this book came out in 1978. Also, the US covers are censored; the 1978 book shows full nipple as do the 3 foreign editions of Northern Girl but the 3 US editions have an added lock of hair covering one of the breasts. I believe MagicUnk and Willem H. PV the 1978 book so they may want to variant or something similar to Northern Girl's cover, PV of US editions may want to add a note about the censorship, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:25, 19 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=contains&TERM_1=alexa&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=contains&TERM_2=smothers&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=author_canonical&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=author_canonical&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=author_canonical&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=author_canonical&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=author_canonical&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=author_canonical&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=author_canonical&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=author_canonical&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Author]; same person, 2 different websites. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:13, 19 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=mondoli&type=Name; I just fixed Harry Potter cover for the second artist linked above, should that and the other cover under "Inc." have "Inc." removed so they fall under the same artist as all the others? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:54, 20 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Again, Dangerous Visions ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5793462; The 2 Sallis titles under the heading Tissue, "At the Fitting Shop" and "53rd American Dream", are only on ISFDB in the original Doubleday edition and a 2012 Gateway e-book. Are the umbrella titles for B. Wolfe, G. Wolfe and Sallis really separate fiction of their own? This is like the Oliver Onions issue where a couple of his stories were known as "Two Trifles" but each had its own title, Ether-Hogs and Mortal, and nobody ever agreed how they should be entered so some collections have the umbrella title entered and some the individual titles. Problem is that most of Ellison's books are PV so deciding how these 3 problematic authors' stories should be entered might be a problem. Certainly at least the Sallis should be entered because as it is now it looks like they only appeared in 2 widely separated editions when they probably appeared in all of them. Also, the cover by the Dillons was used on a lot (all?) of these E-Reads editions; I remember mentioning this a long time ago but I don't think I got an answer so if anyone knows what the first use of it was then I guess all the others will need to be made a variant of it, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:20, 20 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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[https://www.google.com/search?q=0613068173&sca_esv=575507320&tbas=0&source=lnt&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi7toDLrIiCAxW3EVkFHcGmC_kQpwV6BAgDEBE&biw=1366&bih=667&dpr=1]; https://archive.org/search?query=beagle+giant-bones&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; I added a link in a PENDING edit for the uploaded-in-2011 copy on Archive.org but the 2023 one has a different back cover with an ISBN that only shows up in the Google search linked above in 2 places, Archive.org and Amazon.de (with no real info except "library binding" but no such edition is mentioned on the copyright page). So if anyone knows what that copy really is, book club or something else, reply here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:09, 21 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?28517; Note for Del Rey original edition says S. in author name isn't on title page so it (and possibly the later Del Rey edition) shouldn't be a variant but merged. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:54, 21 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Yes, I see where the initial should be dropped. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 22:30, 22 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Irene Adler series by Carole Nelson Douglas  ==
 
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I was adding ebooks to the titles in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?5659 Irene Adler] series by Carole Nelson Douglas and am surprised that they are NOT marked as non-genre. They are definitely mysteries but on the face of it, I don't see any elements in them that would make them be included as genre titles, save perhaps the short story "Dracula on the Rocks". Would there be any objection to my changing the other titles to non-genre? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 13:57, 22 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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: I am more curious about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11029 ''Fair Wind, Fiery Star''], which says "Non-genre", but the synopsis mentions a "mysterious Dutchman, a mystical sea captain". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:20, 22 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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: P.S. I have checked the last page of ''Fair Wind, Fiery Star'', which mentions the "mysterious Dutchman". He is described ambiguously before he disappears. It's not clear whether he is real or a figment of the protagonist's imagination. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:28, 22 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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: P.P.S. I have updated the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11029 ''Fair Wind, Fiery Star'' title record], added the first (abridged) edition and changed the non-genre flag to 'No' until we can find more details. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:43, 22 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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::I have changed the titles to non-genre. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:39, 22 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5794782. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:11, 22 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Farnol's Shadow ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5795005; If anyone wants to read Great Quietude in the 1970 reprint and decide whether it counts to be here then the rest of the stories can be deleted; he wrote a lot of pirate-related stuff and is one of those authors, like W. W. Jacobs, who stuck a few of his horror stories in between their "serious" fiction. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:34, 22 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Mary Elizabeth Braddon ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?78925; https://archive.org/search?query=%22Benyon%27s+Entanglement%22; After adding a link in a PENDING edit to a Vault of Evil review where it's mentioned that Braddon's story "Colonel Benyon's Entanglement" seems to be missing the ending in its reprint in a recent British anthology I looked on Archive.org to see if anyone had uploaded the original magazine serial and didn't see anything but did find that it is included in those two collections linked above (it's on pp. 291-337 in Meeting Her Fate and is spread across both volumes of The Dreaded Guest) and neither of which is on ISFDB although the story "The Dreaded Guest" is in another collection. So if anyone has the anthology and wants to compare the endings to see if it is really missing or if anyone wants to enter those 2 collections and possibly variant the story titles to one of the dozen names she was published under, please do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:39, 23 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Midnight Tales Discussion ==
 
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rosab618#Midnight_Tales; I think I got this figured out correctly, right? EDIT: See also https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Boskar#Cockburn. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:03, 23 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Fantastic Fiction Images ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5796104; I get a scary error page when I right-click and open the old image. Anyone else? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:41, 24 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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: The key word in this message is "CloudFront" -- see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_CloudFront this Wikipedia article] for a somewhat technical summary of what it does. At the most basic level, it's an Amazon service that serves as a front end for many Web sites, in this case Fantastic Fiction.
 
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: Normally I would expect CloudFront to redirect "http" links to their "https" counterparts automatically. The fact that it doesn't do it suggests that it isn't configured that way, either due to a human error or to technical issues that CloudFront or Fantastic Fiction may be experiencing this week. Since we need to change all FF-hosted "http" images to "https", it shouldn't be a big deal. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:07, 24 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Argos Award / Prêmio Argos ==
 
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I have another award suggestion for the Award Directory. I had another suggestion a few posts above (I believe it got lost among the other submissions), but I think this one should be added because it's the oldest/most traditional award given to speculative fiction in Brazil. I collected the necessary information below, including their links (their website is having problems, but it can be seen [https://web.archive.org/web/20230130054838/https://www.clfc.com.br/ here]). The award is organized and voted by the members of CLFC, a Brazilian association of readers and writers of speculative fiction. It started in 2000 and is still ongoing.
 
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* '''Short Name:''' Argos
 
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* '''Full Name:''' Prêmio Argos / Argos Award
 
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* '''Awarded For:''' Speculative fiction originally published in Portuguese.
 
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* '''Awarded By:''' Clube de Leitores de Ficção Científica, a Brazilian association of readers and writers of speculative fiction.
 
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* '''Poll:''' Yes
 
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* '''Covers more than just SF:''' No
 
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* '''Website:''' [https://clfc.com.br Website], [https://twitter.com/PremioArgos Twitter]
 
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* '''Categories:''' Melhor Romance (Best Novel/Novella), Melhor Coletânea/Antologia (Best Anthology/Collected Works), Melhor Conto (Best Short Story/Novelette)
 
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The category Romance (not to be confused with the genre; its how novels and novellas are called as a format in Portuguese), as mentioned above, includes both novels and novellas, while Conto includes both short stories and novelettes. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 16:29, 24 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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: It looks like a pretty solid candidate. Twitter [https://twitter.com/safety/unsafe_link_warning?unsafe_link=http://clfc.com.br warns] that their Web site is currently unsafe, but the [https://web.archive.org/web/20230130054838/https://www.clfc.com.br/ Wayback Machine version] appears to be comprehensive, so we should be able to recreate nominee lists. (They also have a [https://www.facebook.com/premioargos/?locale=pt_BR Facebook page], but, apparently, it hasn't been updated since 2019.) I am not sure how many nominated titles the ISFDB database may be missing, but it should be doable. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:42, 24 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: Their website has been wonky for a while, so they mostly publish their results on Twitter and on their closed group, but I'm confident I can find most of the nominated works. Thanks! [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 18:56, 24 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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::: If the award type is created, just a heads up that I mistranslated one of the categories (I originally spelled it "Collected words", but its "Collected works"), but already fixed it. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 22:59, 28 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::: Great! I'm already working on adding at least the winners who aren't already on the Database, and slowly the rest. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 11:32, 30 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?113 All done]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:52, 30 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::::: Thanks! Just a question: I'm already adding the award to titles ISFDB already have, and doing so I realized Argos is really erratic with the nature of their finalists: some years they release it like the Hugos, with first, second, third place and such, but others they just release the winner and the finalists, with no tiers among the finalists. How should I approach this? In the years they don't release the tiers, should I just put "1" for the winner, and "finalists" for the finalists? [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 16:10, 30 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::::: Yes, that's how we usually handle inconsistent "poll" awards -- see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?315+1 this list of "John W. Campbell Award for Best New Writer / Astounding Award for the Best New Science Fiction Writer" nominees for 1973-2023] for an example. {{FR|1086}}, "Change the award year field to a drop-down list", if implemented, may help in this area, but for now it's our best bet. Thanks for working on these awards! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:30, 30 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::::::: Perfect, thanks, I'm already on it! Just a heads up, I suggested another award a little above (Ladies of Horror Fiction, a week or so before I mentioned Argos), could you check if that one is worth cataloging here? [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 00:45, 31 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::::::: Done. Sorry about the delay: the first and last days of each months are usually very busy on my end as I run monthly backups, enter new light novels, etc. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:17, 1 November 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::::::::: No problem! Thank you for the hard work. :) [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 00:28, 2 November 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Adventure House ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?3836; Should the 1936 item be under an alternate publisher name? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:51, 24 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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: It's very likely a carryover from the 2006 facsimile reprint edition, which has been primary verified by one of our editors. I have left a note on [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MLB#New_Mystery_Adventures.2C_February_1936 his Talk page] to see if the reprint includes a page with the name of the original publisher. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:30, 24 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: The record has been updated based on what we currently know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:41, 24 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Odyssey Publications ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?26323; I have PENDING edits adding archived links to the first 5 on that list. URL for the item missing ID suggests it should be #4 (PV just forgot?) and ID for #9 was entered without a space between letters and number like the others; which is correct? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:51, 24 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Remember the Alamo! ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5797826; I added an archived link in a PENDING edit, someone's note mentions partial signature, it's more visible here, https://www.ebay.com/itm/364244986997, it could be one of a few Charter artists already on ISFDB or maybe someone else entirely, anyone recognize it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:19, 25 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Arbor House Treasury of Nobel Prize Winners ==
 
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Does anyone own the TP of the above anthology? Because the HC on Archive.org has Charles G. Waugh on title page, not Charles Waugh. Price, page numbers for stories entered and decision on whether other stories qualify, entering of preface, better cover, etc. also needed. TP seems unfindable online (wow, unfindable is a word, I thought spell-check would red-line that). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 26 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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:I could ask Charles if he still has a copy of the trade paperback if no one else has it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:59, 26 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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::OK. I have a PENDING edit adding the HC. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:46, 26 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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== The Diploids ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37801; Open Library has a record for the Gregg edition of K. Maclean's collection but the link is for a copy of the 1953 novella. I added the link to that novella just for the heck of it but noticed there's some discrepancy with titles among various editions; note in Gregg says it's a reprint of Avon but 1 story in Avon is titled "The Pyramid in the Desert" while in Gregg it's the alternate title, "And Be Merry...". Also, Manor has an alternate alternate title, "And Be Merry". So does anyone own the Gregg who can verify what it says? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:15, 27 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Season of the Witch ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5799039; I entered the 1985 printing of Jack Martin's (really Dennis Etchison) novelization of the 3rd Halloween movie last year and today came across the 1984 one hiding on Archive.org so I entered it. They used the same ISBN for 1982 and 1983 but the last 2 are different from it and each other. If anyone owns a copy, please check because this may have had printings well after 1985. EDIT: I remembered that I entered a later edition of #2 last year, too, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?868156, so that may also have other printings. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:58, 27 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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== The Executioner ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?950765; This is on eBay, www.ebay.com/itm/324711912241, but there's also an archived copy, https://archive.org/search?query=%22Paradine%27s+Gauntlet%22, which has the same copyright page but price is $2.50 on front cover and in barcode on back cover. How can you tell what printings these books are? Is there a gutter code or something? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:09, 27 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Darkening Island Cover Artist ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251927; I added archived link to 1972 HC of this book in a PENDING edit and noticed someone entered PB cover artist with one name but wrote another name in the note. I blew up the image but it's so blurry and the signature so crappy it could be either one. I searched for "Manor Books" and book title and got 1 hit...ISFDB. So if anyone can see a copy and verify what the signature really is one of those names will need fixing. There's no Friere here and several Freire but very unlikely that any of them could be this Freire. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:10, 27 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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== All the Traps of Earth ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283283; I added archived link in PENDING edit; it does not say "and Other Stories" on title page. Active PV AliHarlow, Willem, Dirk: the title may need changing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:42, 27 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Condors ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?19977; I added cover image for Rotunda in a PENDING edit; it's the only Condor PB without a price and I didn't see one anywhere in the archived copy so if anyone knows what it is, reply here. Also, the Roquard items are clearly by a different publisher which should be differentiated in some way. EDIT: Never mind, I got it, $2.25; Open Library cover, which is the same as Archive.org cover, is very scratchy but has bold colors; problem is it isn't framed well and the price info is off the left side. Bookscans has a clear cover with slightly less bold colors and some kind of weird lens flare on the left side but I could barely make out the price through the blinding light. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:41, 28 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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== NL Psychoville ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?536129; Doing some more edits today for the recently deceased Christopher Fowler, couple of wrong covers, some other minor stuff, but the edition of Psychoville linked above only has this awful image, https://boekenbalie.nl/psychoville/463400609, online as far as I can see. If anyone can find a better one please upload it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:46, 29 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Roofworld Editions ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive54#Roofworld_Arrow_Edition; I added archived link to non-PV edition in a PENDING edit so I think PV edition could be deleted now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:52, 29 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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While adding a new publication to the Dune title, I noticed that there's only one pub record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?728199 here] that has Matt Griffin as map artist (which is in and of itself doubtful as I couldn't find conclusive evidence that he indeed was the artist), instead of Dorothy deFointaine.
 
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Comparing [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/059309932X?ie=UTF8&tag=isfdb-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=059309932X the map in the Ace edition] (see video where it says it's 'a redesigned world map of Dune') with the [https://www.reddit.com/r/dune/comments/vvplz/dune_map/?rdt=39862 original map of Dorothy deFontaine], there's almost no discernible difference between both. Since the statement 'a redesigned world map' is highly exaggerated, I'm thinking to attribute the unsigned map in the Ace edition to Dorothy deFontaine (and not to Matt Griffin) - what do you think? How should we treat these two map records? Any other way to treat these two art records? Suggestions? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 07:47, 30 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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:It's definitely redesigned, but not redrawn. The design of the map is quite different for the new one as it uses a lot of shading not found in the original, different labeling/fonts, and placement of somethings is a little different. That said, the copyright page credits the map like this: "Map by Matt Griffin, inspired by the original by Dorothy de Fontaine". Based on that, I think the new one should be credited to both of them, especially due to the many similarities. A not could be placed on the map title page explaining all that. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:46, 2 November 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Thanks! Updated accordingly. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:34, 3 November 2023 (EDT)
 
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== B. Farthing ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5800896; The warning message "Proposed..." doesn't show up on Google when I search for it. Should I have rejected my edit or is it correct and I should do it again and ignore the warning or should Ben be the variant of Benjamin? I already have an edit making Benjamin an alternate name of Ben. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:40, 30 October 2023 (EDT)
 
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:Benjamin should be the variant of Ben, and then the title date for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1138880 variant] should be changed to match its parent (since the variant is the name of the author). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:49, 2 November 2023 (EDT)
 
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:Done (I think). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:31, 3 November 2023 (EDT)
 
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== PVR ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=rosenkr&type=Name; Palie von is actually Palle von per contents page photo online, novel is not genre from what I can gather online, Palle Rosenkrantz story is not genre per online reviews, neither really belong here, didn't notice this until I'd already entered bio info for Rosenkrantz, cancelled my edit, I think both names should be deleted, probably other contents from 1960 omnibus and Martin Edwards anthology are not genre and should be removed, too (there's a note in the anthology's record mentioning this). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:30, 2 November 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Rageot ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=rageot&type=Publisher; I have a PENDING edit fixing/adding stuff re: someone else's recent edit for a book published by Rageot and I noticed ISFDB has records for that name which was on the title page and the longer name, Rageot-Éditeur, which was on the copyright page. So really all books should probably be merged under one name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:30, 3 November 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Science Fictional Solar System ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?32159; The UK HC & book club editions say Martin H. Greenberg on their cover, 2 eBay copies of book club don't show title page, does anyone own either edition who can verify what his name is on title page? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:28, 4 November 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Brad Steiger Stories ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5805263; I didn't change the dates of Steiger's stories but I think they're both wrong. "Detroit", being a variant title, should have the date of this anthology, I think, and "Huntsman" should have a 1966 date as copyright page says. Am I right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:01, 5 November 2023 (EST)
 
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: I see what you mean. There are 806 affected publication records, 30 of them primary-verified. I could create a script to change the URLs of the unverified pubs, then we could ask the primary verifiers to check their pubs. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:25, 5 November 2023 (EST)
 
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:::I was adding an Amazon author image for Maggie Allen and the URL is weird so I did a search, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_image&O_1=contains&TERM_1=m.media-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FW&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=author_canonical&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=author_canonical&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=author_canonical&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=author_canonical&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=author_canonical&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=author_canonical&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=author_canonical&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=author_canonical&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Author], and these are also broken. I don't know if the batch will fix these, too. EDIT: This URL was fine, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5806113, which I got by searching for Amazon and the author's name in Google Images; however, on the author's Amazon page, https://www.amazon.ca/-/fr/Maggie-Allen/e/B00DXZNLOG, the URL is the broken one. I don't know what's up with all this but I'm sure someone else does. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:13, 6 November 2023 (EST)
 
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:::: I have now manually fixed the "WEBP" author URLs. All but 2 were broken. Removing the "WEBP" part fixed all of them, although a few were "S" images, so they will be caught by the cleanup reports when they next run. I think it's safe to say that we should be able to removed "WEBP" from the affected cover scans programmatically. I'll work on it later today. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 6 November 2023 (EST)
 
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All 806 "WEBP" images have been converted. Please let me know if you come across any issues. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:17, 6 November 2023 (EST)
 
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== St. Martin's The Light Fantastic ==
 
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https://colinsmythe.co.uk/terry-pratchett/discworld/discworld-novels/light-fantastic/; I was doing some edits for the few St. Martin's editions of Terry Pratchett's novels and I think this last one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43074, doesn't exist. It should probably get the unpublished code for the date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 6 November 2023 (EST)
 
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== Untouched by Human Hands ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5806259; Actual price was a bit different than what Tuck supposedly said but since Bluesman is gone if anyone else has the Tuck book and it really says 12/- then a note about difference on flap can be added after my edit is approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 6 November 2023 (EST)
 
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== Faerie Tale ==
 
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https://archive.org/search?query=faerie-tale&sort=title&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22&and%5B%5D=firstTitle%3AF; While doing an edit for Raymond E. Feist (adding a note that he was born Gonzales, not Feist, and fixing his day of birth) I saw that, despite the dozens of editions of his great horror/fantasy novel Faerie Tale the only one archived is a Doubleday Book-of-the-Month Club edition which isn't on ISFDB! Open Library claims there are 2 previewable copies but whichever edition the other one was, it's gone now. So if anyone has one of those club indexes or wherever people get the dates/ID # from, you may want to enter this edition so at least there'll be one copy people can read easily. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:26, 6 November 2023 (EST)
 
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:I've added the BOMC edition [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?978095 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:23, 7 November 2023 (EST)
 
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== Alan Burns ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?18958; I added cover image to Dreamerika a while ago and today added archived link to US Babel edition; SFE says "Babel" in New Worlds is an excerpt so I've added that word to the title. The issue now is SFE thinks all the other short stories are by a different Alan Burns (and probably the poems and essay, too). Does anyone know for sure? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:31, 7 November 2023 (EST)
 
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== Connecting books in an unnamed series ==
 
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I'm currently adding two books where one is the sequel to the other, yet they are not part of a named series. Should I still add series to them (and if so what should I call it), or should I only make a not about it in the title note? /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 14:34, 7 November 2023 (EST)
 
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:What are the books? Can you provide a link to them? Or have you not added them yet? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:52, 7 November 2023 (EST)
 
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:: One thing that we often do when two or more titles -- or two or more series -- are part of a larger, unnamed, setting is create a new series (or super-series) and use the word "universe" in its name. One example would be the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42997 Baba Yaga Universe]. It contains 2 sub-series and one collection. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:05, 7 November 2023 (EST)
 
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::: This is only two books {{t|3244057|Domens dag}} and {{t|978127|Råttorna}}. Calling it a universe feels a bit  like giving it more credit than it is due =) /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 18:01, 7 November 2023 (EST)
 
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:::: Hi! If you can't find a naming of the series or a general theme, I'd suggest to use in this case the title of the first novel, like it was done for the two novels in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?34751 this series]. (The second link you provided leads one to a piece of interior art ;-) ) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:48, 8 November 2023 (EST)
 
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::::: Thanks for the many suggestions! I'll go with the ''title of the first novel'' suggestion as the main characters are not given a last name (if memory serves) and Peter & Anna is way to generic =). Appologies for the erroneous second link (that was the pub-id not the title-id), the intended one is {{t|3244058|Råttorna}}. /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 16:53, 8 November 2023 (EST)
 
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== Pied Pipers ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1428017; I left Chavey a message about a city missing in their note about imprint on title page of Routledge edition (which I'd just added an Archive.org link to) but later saw that there was a more pressing problem; the title was wrong, missing a word and misspelling another. I later added another note about Warne edition also likely being wrong based on cover image. Looking further, I think the other 2 editions also have the wrong title; Rand McNally 1937 edition (Chavey's note says 1927, that may be yet another mistake) is on Archive.org and it says The Pied Piper of Hamelin on title page while there's no edit history for Harrap edition but notes are in Chavey's style. Problem is Chavey hasn't responded to any messages since May of last year. Any suggestions? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:28, 7 November 2023 (EST)
 
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:Their last activity in the database was on 2023-11-04, so only a few days ago. I suggest giving it a little more time for them to respond to the questions. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:33, 8 November 2023 (EST)
 
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== Geta ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17102; I added a link to 1984-00-00 in a PENDING edit; 1985 2nd printing was edited by Hauck, hater of ISFDB, while RTrace cloned the 1984-06-00 but that date can't be right because the price is higher than 1985. There are 2 identical notes about name of publisher in 1984-00-00 and 1985 but neither was edited by the same person/people so some cloning/copying happened there, too. So publisher should either be Granada or Panther / Granada for all 3 and 1984-06-00 should either have a new date or all 0's for unknown; it also says TP, not PB, and likely has the same cover as the others so cover artist should be imported. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:48, 9 November 2023 (EST)
 
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== Arthur Barker Edition of The Restaurant at the End of the Universe ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5809217; No idea why that obviously incorrect cover artist data was approved by a mod but I removed Kay and the word "Illustrations" from Litherland's credit. I assume the Amazon cover is the correct one because there's a few non-Amazon sites that show the same cover for that ISBN but the problem is Open Library has a 1985 date for the Arthur Barker edition (the only one out of 85 editions) but editor here has 1980 and ISFDB page for that publisher ends in 1980. This edition seems rare so if anyone owns it can you check to make sure date, price, page count (Open Library says 188, not 187), etc. are correct? I left PV a message but they don't seem to answer any questions. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:01, 10 November 2023 (EST)
 
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== Letter From A Teddy Bear On ? ==
 
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:J-Sun#Letter_from_a_Teddy_Bear_on_Veteran.27s_Day; I doubt this editor will respond so if anyone else wants to say what the right way to do this is, chime in. I could have sworn this discussion took place much earlier but I see it was only last December and yet I added some weird image to my message, which I don't do, so not sure why I did that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:46, 10 November 2023 (EST)
 
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== Who Is Lewis Pinder? ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?976273; MLB recently PV Signet PB and I just replaced faded Amazon cover with nice Bookscans cover but I can't find a cover for the HC anywhere. If anyone else can, can you upload it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:29, 10 November 2023 (EST)
 
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== Request to add German fantastic literature price:  ==
 
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Hi all,
 
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after adding the German "DSFP" award, I would like to add now the "Phantastikpreis der Stadt Wetzlar", another German fantastic price:
 
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Translation:  The “Fantasy Prize of the City of Wetzlar” has been awarded since 1983. The prize is a literary prize endowed with 4,000 euros and is awarded annually for a novel. The prize honors works from all types of fantasy, from magical realism to fantasy science fiction, utopia and horror. Particular emphasis is placed on the fact that the fantastic element - similar to Goethe's “Magician's Apprentice” - also allows real life connections to appear in a new light. The prize is awarded by the city of Wetzlar in cooperation with the Wetzlar Fantastic Library. The jury consists of literary experts from Wetzlar and the surrounding area who have a close connection to fantastic literature.
 
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Source (in German): https://www.phantastik.eu/ausschreibungen-und-preise/phantastikpreis-der-stadt-wetzlar.html
 
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Forgot to sign it: [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] ([[User talk:Jannis|talk]]) 08:39, 12 November 2023 (EST)
 
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: I do think it should be perfectly eligible. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:06, 12 November 2023 (EST)
 
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:: I agree that it appears to be eligible. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:41, 13 November 2023 (EST)
 
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::: Hearing no objection, I have created a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?115 new Award Type] and an Award Category for this prize. Please let me know if there are any issues with the new records, otherwise have fun entering the awards :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:54, 17 November 2023 (EST)
 
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:::: Thats great! Thanks a lot Ahasuerus, I will add the books & authors of last winners of this price, and later link the price to their works. [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] ([[User talk:Jannis|talk]]) 05:16, 18 November 2023 (EST)
 
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== Pro Se ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=pro+se&type=Publisher; If anyone knows whether these are all by the same publisher some altering to bring them under the same publisher name would be helpful. They publish pulp-style stuff in all genres; neither of the books on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=pro-se-press&and%5B%5D=year%3A%222016%22, are on ISFDB, Sushi Bar... likely has some genre-related stories, probably other eligible books by them out there.  --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:46, 12 November 2023 (EST)
 
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: If memory serves, I used Amazon's Look Inside to look into "Pro Se" publishers/publication series at one point. Their books used a number of different forms of attribution and I couldn't figure out the logic behind it. Someone would need to do more digging to sort it all out. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:55, 13 November 2023 (EST)
 
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== Cyrano and Jules Verne ==
 
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https://archive.org/search?query=airborne+alan-c; I added 2 anthologies recently, imported genre stories into Skyriders in a PENDING edit, imported 3 genre stories (Kipling, T. L. Thomas, O'Flaherty) into Airborne but there's a couple of ancient excerpts (?) that are a problem. The Cyrano title doesn't match the one on ISFDB and there is no such title by Verne here. Searching for Verne title online only got 1 hit, https://www.mwbooks.ie/pages/books/307419/alan-c-jenkins/airborne-compiled-by-alan-c-jenkins, an Irish bookseller's page for Airborne. Typing a line of text from Verne's story got nothing online. I doubt this book found some long-lost Verne story so I assume it's just a novel excerpt. Does anyone know? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:41, 13 November 2023 (EST)
 
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: Anna's Archive has a downloadable copy. According to the Acknowledgements page, the Cyrano title is a "passage from Other Worlds by Cyrano de Bergerac, translated by Geoffrey Strachan". The Verne title is a "passage from ''From the Earth to the Moon'' by Jules Verne, translated by Jacqueline Baldick". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:15, 13 November 2023 (EST)
 
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:: The submission has been approved. The two titles discussed above have been added. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:38, 13 November 2023 (EST)
 
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== Bellows ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?97465; I added FantLab photo in a PENDING edit, findagrave.com says Jeffrey, not Jeffery, and has "Kent" in quotes like it's a nickname but the grave says Kent Bellows, and what does the G. stand for? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:24, 14 November 2023 (EST)
 
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== Bizarrocast ==
 
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_webpage&O_1=contains&TERM_1=bizarrocast&C=AND&USE_2=title_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_copyright&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title]; I was going through the old horror webzine Rosewort, adding links (yes, I found ANOTHER D. F. Lewis story, "Aspen"), and the Ken Goldman story "Going Potty" had a dead link. Then I noticed that the Bizarrocast link in that story's record leads to a log-on page because the original site is gone, but the archived site hardly has any archived pages; I tried one from 2013, "How the Isle of Cats Got Its Name", and after waiting a long time for the page to load all I saw was Arabic (?) writing so even that seems to have been captured after the site was already dead. My link above searched for all title webpages with Bizarrocast in their URL and there's quite a few so if anyone knows whether there's a new site, say here. Otherwise, all those links should probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 14 November 2023 (EST)
 
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== Book storage and moving boxes ==
 
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When I packed my book collection for an interstate move last year, I mostly used the 1 cubic-foot book boxes sold by U-Haul. There were a total of about 135 boxes. I have just finished unpacking the last of them and no damage occurred to any of the books. I particularly liked that they stacked nicely and were easy to hold onto while moving them around. They were especially useful for moving and storing paperbacks. Since there always a need to put some books into storage, I recommend using these boxes. Cheers! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 17:16, 14 November 2023 (EST)
 
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== Bloodlust and Fangers ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?118655; Today I was adding links to any stories on the old Bloodlust-UK horror site that are on ISFDB and they seem to have redesigned the site some time after 2005 because there were a couple of links that had different URL's for the same stories. I did get quite a few links, including at least one that was published earlier on Bloodlust than what the note on ISFDB says and two by the same author that were supposedly original to one of her collections but were actually published on Bloodlust more than 10 years earlier, and was feeling pretty good about all that until tonight when I decided to see if the authors who got links had any other stories online nowadays, non-archived, and while looking for stories by Denise Sodaro this site came up, https://fangersinc.wordpress.com/tag/short-stories/, where they dumped most/all of the original site's stories without any note that I can see that these stories are nearly 2 decades old. I nearly cried at how much faster I could have added links from Fangers instead of trawling through the old site. Anyway, it seems they were collected in some recent Fangers anthologies; I feel bad for people paying money for these old stories that mostly shouldn't have been published the first time when online editors were hungry for content and would accept almost anything. However, there is one thing that could lead to something interesting; this guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?118655, seems to have plagiarized at least one story, "Jumpers", which I added a note to some time ago with an explanation of who actually wrote the story. His other ISFDB story is in an anthology that I read via Interlibrary Loan years before I was an editor here and I can't remember a word of it so no way to tell if that's original. Bloodlust had a story by Michael Steinberg, "Life, or Something Like It", but this Fangers site calls him M. O. Steinberg even though he was already using the M. O. name back when the original site was active so why he went by Michael is anyone's guess. I typed a line of text from "Life..." on Google but got no hits so I'm not sure if it's original or another plagiarism. So if anyone owns the anthology Dreaming of Angels and can read Steinberg's story or reads "Life..." and recognizes it as being by someone else, can you let us know? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:11, 16 November 2023 (EST)
 
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== Mark Powers - two different people ==
 
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Currently for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?22424 this author] we have a bunch of UK juvenile titles, and some Jim Butcher/Dresden Files comics.  I'm reasonably sure these are two different people: [https://www.theshawagency.co.uk/mark-powers here] is the agency page for the former, and [https://www.simonandschuster.com/authors/Mark-Powers/202304451 here] a publisher page for the latter, with neither page acknowledging the other work.
 
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Unless anyone objects, I propose to split these off, probably making the second one "Mark Powers (comics)" unless there are better suggestions.  [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:54, 17 November 2023 (EST)
 
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:I agree. [https://dresdenfiles.fandom.com/wiki/Mark_Powers This] is a page showing a pic of the ''Dresden'' comics writer. Definitely not the person shown in the two Twitter/X profiles on our author page. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:00, 17 November 2023 (EST)
 
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I am seeing more and more references to "X" instead of "Twitter". I have changed the way third party links appear on bibliographic pages from "Twitter" to "X/Twitter" to reflect this. It's a trivial change, so we can always tweak it again if the name changes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:46, 17 November 2023 (EST)
 
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https://web.archive.org/web/20120908050157/http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~timgatewood/sf/darrell/DarrellWinners_Categories_96to12.pdf; I came across that while looking for something else entirely and since some here like entering new awards and this doesn't seem to be on ISFDB I thought I'd link it in case anyone wants to enter it if it's eligible. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:49, 19 November 2023 (EST)
 
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== Final Frontier Cover ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?13334; I noticed there was a Greg and Gregory Brodeur here, made Gregory an alternate, made variant of one of his essays and merged 3 into 1 for the other essay (a variant will need to be made of that result after, I think), noticed 1st printing of Final Frontier '88 US PB was on Archive.org so added a link, finally noticed BORIS VALLEJO is credited for a foreign edition but not for any of the others even though they have the same art, Bluesman who was PV of 2 editions is long gone so if active PV of US PB agree with PV, Welo, that added art (they didn't mention where they got it in their notes) then cover credit can be added to all with date of US PB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:00, 19 November 2023 (EST)
 
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== SFWA Bulletin ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?951170; I was doing Bruce McAllister edits and there's 1 Bruce McAllaster credit here (along with a correct spelling elsewhere in it) but SFWA.org says McAllister so probably a misprint by PV. Also, Gatherng should be Gathering, Nores should be Notes, etc. If anyone can see a real copy all of those can probably be fixed. I assume there are many other mistakes in the other issues of this bulletin since the same PV worked on most/all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:11, 20 November 2023 (EST)
 
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== Book of Ballads Dates ==
 
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ofearna#Book_of_Ballads; Does anyone agree with me that the 2004 contents should be November instead of October? They say they're original to this book in their notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:39, 21 November 2023 (EST)
 
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== Lecrivain ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=the+last+swan+prince&type=All+Titles; 2017 zine has no period after the C in her name, 2020 webzine does, story's title page will need to be seen to determine if 2017 really doesn't have it, then there should be a merge or a variant. Her other story in that zine doesn't have a period, either, according to ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:25, 21 November 2023 (EST)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5816628; Since PV is deceased if anyone wants to add/fix anything mentioned in my note to mod, feel free. EDIT: Seems logical UK edition would have been first for a Who book so title date should probably be 1986-00-00 unless anyone can determine exact UK date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:56, 21 November 2023 (EST)
 
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22patterns+of+the+fantastic%22&sort=title; Copyright page says December 1984, title page says 1986 in roman numerals, ISFDB says May 1985. If anyone knows what's the deal here they may want to add the link where appropriate and fix dates if needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:22, 23 November 2023 (EST)
 
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::Neither {{Reginald3}} nor Clute/Nicholls mention Borgo.  The former has a 1985 date while the latter has 1984. {{P|283739|Chalker/Owings}} has the 1984 date. {{P|320234|BP 300}} has 1985.  This is probably due to the difference between copyright and publication dates.  Also from ''BP 300'', Borgo acquired Starmont in March 1993 after having purchased Starmont's Contemporary Writers Series in 1991.  If I had to guess, the sticker is likely a cancel of the Starmont publisher and perhaps the 1986 date is due to a typo (VI vs IV).  With that scenario, the sticker was likely added sometime after 1993 when Borgo purchased Starmont.  Chalker/Owings does note that the purchase included Starmont's back stock.  Regardless, if we decided to add a new publication record for the Borgo cancel of Starmont, I don't think we can date it exactly and I'd recommend using the unknown date.  Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:13, 23 November 2023 (EST)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1365790; I cloned an 11th printing and publisher is Citadel+Kensington like 2016 but cover is same as 1997 which says publisher is Citadel Twilight; does anyone own a 1st printing who can say whether it says Twilight or if 1997 should be changed to Kensington? Twilight books had a certain bluish look about their covers and they say Twilight on the cover which this book doesn't. Per note on ISFDB Twilight ended in 2000 so it's possible it was a Twilight book and it was only mentioned inside. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:46, 24 November 2023 (EST)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36131; Title was entered in 2011, I've made 3 edits (one in each of the last 3 years), and only today noticed the title was wrong; it's Confession, not Confessions. Fixed that in a PENDING edit and while doing so noticed there are 2 foreign editions, https://archive.org/search?query=%22rustin+parr%22+stern&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=year%3A%222000%22, in case anyone fluent wants to enter those. I also have an edit adding UK Boxtree 4th printing of The Blair Witch Project: A Dossier by the same author; there is a HC book club (?) edition of the Onyx edition on Archive.org but I didn't bother with that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:29, 26 November 2023 (EST)
 
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Re. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3070028 this title], I propose deleting the pub dated 2022-09-27. That was the original publication date, which was pushed back a full year. I have added this detail to the notes for actual pub when it was released (2023-10-03), so the earlier pub record is now redundant. Any objections from anyone? [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 07:43, 27 November 2023 (EST)
 
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Are there any objections to using lowercase for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?162023 Ayaz Daryl Nielsen]. I have never seen him credited any other way. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:01, 27 November 2023 (EST)
 
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PVR

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=rosenkr&type=Name; Palie von is actually Palle von per contents page photo online, novel is not genre from what I can gather online, Palle Rosenkrantz story is not genre per online reviews, neither really belong here, didn't notice this until I'd already entered bio info for Rosenkrantz, cancelled my edit, I think both names should be deleted, probably other contents from 1960 omnibus and Martin Edwards anthology are not genre and should be removed, too (there's a note in the anthology's record mentioning this). --Username (talk) 14:30, 2 November 2023 (EDT)

Rageot

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=rageot&type=Publisher; I have a PENDING edit fixing/adding stuff re: someone else's recent edit for a book published by Rageot and I noticed ISFDB has records for that name which was on the title page and the longer name, Rageot-Éditeur, which was on the copyright page. So really all books should probably be merged under one name. --Username (talk) 12:30, 3 November 2023 (EDT)

Science Fictional Solar System

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?32159; The UK HC & book club editions say Martin H. Greenberg on their cover, 2 eBay copies of book club don't show title page, does anyone own either edition who can verify what his name is on title page? --Username (talk) 22:28, 4 November 2023 (EDT)

Brad Steiger Stories

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5805263; I didn't change the dates of Steiger's stories but I think they're both wrong. "Detroit", being a variant title, should have the date of this anthology, I think, and "Huntsman" should have a 1966 date as copyright page says. Am I right? --Username (talk) 10:01, 5 November 2023 (EST)

Yes, titles are dated per first appearance of that form of the title. Updates made. -- JLaTondre (talk) 11:51, 5 November 2023 (EST)

Amazon WEBP Images

[1]; After I replaced one a few days ago and another one today I did a search and it seems most (all?) of the images with the weird URL Amazon switched to for a while are now broken. Is there a batch fix or will they have to be changed one by one (there's several hundred)? Most are not PV. --Username (talk) 17:09, 5 November 2023 (EST)

I see what you mean. There are 806 affected publication records, 30 of them primary-verified. I could create a script to change the URLs of the unverified pubs, then we could ask the primary verifiers to check their pubs. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:25, 5 November 2023 (EST)
I'm sure you've already got something that could be repurposed for this, but if not:
https://github.com/JohnSmithDev/ISFDB-Tools/blob/master/tools/submit_edits_via_api.py
You would need to update get_bad_pub_records() to pick up the affected records - plus any additional check to not pick up verified pubs - and the regex to fix them in the first line of generate_pubdate_imagefix()
Then 'uncomment' the PUB_COVER_EDITS code in the __main__ section. ErsatzCulture (talk) 05:01, 6 November 2023 (EST)
There have been quite a few scripts to mass change URL structures over the years, e.g. this one from 2022. I plan to use it as a template later today. Ahasuerus (talk) 13:17, 6 November 2023 (EST)
I was adding an Amazon author image for Maggie Allen and the URL is weird so I did a search, [2], and these are also broken. I don't know if the batch will fix these, too. EDIT: This URL was fine, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5806113, which I got by searching for Amazon and the author's name in Google Images; however, on the author's Amazon page, https://www.amazon.ca/-/fr/Maggie-Allen/e/B00DXZNLOG, the URL is the broken one. I don't know what's up with all this but I'm sure someone else does. --Username (talk) 10:13, 6 November 2023 (EST)
I have now manually fixed the "WEBP" author URLs. All but 2 were broken. Removing the "WEBP" part fixed all of them, although a few were "S" images, so they will be caught by the cleanup reports when they next run. I think it's safe to say that we should be able to removed "WEBP" from the affected cover scans programmatically. I'll work on it later today. Ahasuerus (talk) 13:13, 6 November 2023 (EST)
Thanks. I added an image to Maxwell Alexander Drake's record and of the 4 images on his Amazon page (I think at least some people must be aware by now that only certain regional Amazon pages display all author images at the moment in the scroll bar or whatever it's called, Amazon.com and many others just show the main photo, and they seem to be getting fewer and fewer as time goes by; I find Amazon Canada and Amazon France are still good) 2 are WEBP and 2 are regular; it figures that the one I had to use wasn't as good as the others. --Username (talk) 19:33, 6 November 2023 (EST)

Outcome -- WEBP images converted

All 806 "WEBP" images have been converted. Please let me know if you come across any issues. Ahasuerus (talk) 20:17, 6 November 2023 (EST)

St. Martin's The Light Fantastic

https://colinsmythe.co.uk/terry-pratchett/discworld/discworld-novels/light-fantastic/; I was doing some edits for the few St. Martin's editions of Terry Pratchett's novels and I think this last one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43074, doesn't exist. It should probably get the unpublished code for the date. --Username (talk) 11:46, 6 November 2023 (EST)

Untouched by Human Hands

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5806259; Actual price was a bit different than what Tuck supposedly said but since Bluesman is gone if anyone else has the Tuck book and it really says 12/- then a note about difference on flap can be added after my edit is approved. --Username (talk) 12:38, 6 November 2023 (EST)

There is a price shown here: www.ebay.com/itm/115568098201 Tom (talk) 22:07, 13 November 2023 (EST)

Faerie Tale

https://archive.org/search?query=faerie-tale&sort=title&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22&and%5B%5D=firstTitle%3AF; While doing an edit for Raymond E. Feist (adding a note that he was born Gonzales, not Feist, and fixing his day of birth) I saw that, despite the dozens of editions of his great horror/fantasy novel Faerie Tale the only one archived is a Doubleday Book-of-the-Month Club edition which isn't on ISFDB! Open Library claims there are 2 previewable copies but whichever edition the other one was, it's gone now. So if anyone has one of those club indexes or wherever people get the dates/ID # from, you may want to enter this edition so at least there'll be one copy people can read easily. --Username (talk) 19:26, 6 November 2023 (EST)

I've added the BOMC edition here. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:23, 7 November 2023 (EST)

Alan Burns

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?18958; I added cover image to Dreamerika a while ago and today added archived link to US Babel edition; SFE says "Babel" in New Worlds is an excerpt so I've added that word to the title. The issue now is SFE thinks all the other short stories are by a different Alan Burns (and probably the poems and essay, too). Does anyone know for sure? --Username (talk) 11:31, 7 November 2023 (EST)

Connecting books in an unnamed series

I'm currently adding two books where one is the sequel to the other, yet they are not part of a named series. Should I still add series to them (and if so what should I call it), or should I only make a not about it in the title note? /Lokal_Profil 14:34, 7 November 2023 (EST)

What are the books? Can you provide a link to them? Or have you not added them yet? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:52, 7 November 2023 (EST)
One thing that we often do when two or more titles -- or two or more series -- are part of a larger, unnamed, setting is create a new series (or super-series) and use the word "universe" in its name. One example would be the Baba Yaga Universe. It contains 2 sub-series and one collection. Ahasuerus (talk) 16:05, 7 November 2023 (EST)
This is only two books Domens dag and Råttorna. Calling it a universe feels a bit like giving it more credit than it is due =) /Lokal_Profil 18:01, 7 November 2023 (EST)
Hi! If you can't find a naming of the series or a general theme, I'd suggest to use in this case the title of the first novel, like it was done for the two novels in this series. (The second link you provided leads one to a piece of interior art ;-) ) Christian Stonecreek (talk) 06:48, 8 November 2023 (EST)
If the two novels do share the same main character, there'd be the additional possibility to name the series after it, like it was done here. Christian Stonecreek (talk) 07:10, 8 November 2023 (EST)
Thanks for the many suggestions! I'll go with the title of the first novel suggestion as the main characters are not given a last name (if memory serves) and Peter & Anna is way to generic =). Appologies for the erroneous second link (that was the pub-id not the title-id), the intended one is Råttorna. /Lokal_Profil 16:53, 8 November 2023 (EST)

Pied Pipers

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1428017; I left Chavey a message about a city missing in their note about imprint on title page of Routledge edition (which I'd just added an Archive.org link to) but later saw that there was a more pressing problem; the title was wrong, missing a word and misspelling another. I later added another note about Warne edition also likely being wrong based on cover image. Looking further, I think the other 2 editions also have the wrong title; Rand McNally 1937 edition (Chavey's note says 1927, that may be yet another mistake) is on Archive.org and it says The Pied Piper of Hamelin on title page while there's no edit history for Harrap edition but notes are in Chavey's style. Problem is Chavey hasn't responded to any messages since May of last year. Any suggestions? --Username (talk) 19:28, 7 November 2023 (EST)

Their last activity in the database was on 2023-11-04, so only a few days ago. I suggest giving it a little more time for them to respond to the questions. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 11:33, 8 November 2023 (EST)

Geta

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17102; I added a link to 1984-00-00 in a PENDING edit; 1985 2nd printing was edited by Hauck, hater of ISFDB, while RTrace cloned the 1984-06-00 but that date can't be right because the price is higher than 1985. There are 2 identical notes about name of publisher in 1984-00-00 and 1985 but neither was edited by the same person/people so some cloning/copying happened there, too. So publisher should either be Granada or Panther / Granada for all 3 and 1984-06-00 should either have a new date or all 0's for unknown; it also says TP, not PB, and likely has the same cover as the others so cover artist should be imported. --Username (talk) 23:48, 9 November 2023 (EST)

Arthur Barker Edition of The Restaurant at the End of the Universe

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5809217; No idea why that obviously incorrect cover artist data was approved by a mod but I removed Kay and the word "Illustrations" from Litherland's credit. I assume the Amazon cover is the correct one because there's a few non-Amazon sites that show the same cover for that ISBN but the problem is Open Library has a 1985 date for the Arthur Barker edition (the only one out of 85 editions) but editor here has 1980 and ISFDB page for that publisher ends in 1980. This edition seems rare so if anyone owns it can you check to make sure date, price, page count (Open Library says 188, not 187), etc. are correct? I left PV a message but they don't seem to answer any questions. --Username (talk) 10:01, 10 November 2023 (EST)

Letter From A Teddy Bear On ?

https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:J-Sun#Letter_from_a_Teddy_Bear_on_Veteran.27s_Day; I doubt this editor will respond so if anyone else wants to say what the right way to do this is, chime in. I could have sworn this discussion took place much earlier but I see it was only last December and yet I added some weird image to my message, which I don't do, so not sure why I did that. --Username (talk) 13:46, 10 November 2023 (EST)

Varianted. Most common version used as parent per standard. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:26, 10 November 2023 (EST)

Who Is Lewis Pinder?

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?976273; MLB recently PV Signet PB and I just replaced faded Amazon cover with nice Bookscans cover but I can't find a cover for the HC anywhere. If anyone else can, can you upload it? --Username (talk) 23:29, 10 November 2023 (EST)

Request to add German fantastic literature price:

Hi all,

after adding the German "DSFP" award, I would like to add now the "Phantastikpreis der Stadt Wetzlar", another German fantastic price:

Translation: The “Fantasy Prize of the City of Wetzlar” has been awarded since 1983. The prize is a literary prize endowed with 4,000 euros and is awarded annually for a novel. The prize honors works from all types of fantasy, from magical realism to fantasy science fiction, utopia and horror. Particular emphasis is placed on the fact that the fantastic element - similar to Goethe's “Magician's Apprentice” - also allows real life connections to appear in a new light. The prize is awarded by the city of Wetzlar in cooperation with the Wetzlar Fantastic Library. The jury consists of literary experts from Wetzlar and the surrounding area who have a close connection to fantastic literature.

Source (in German): https://www.phantastik.eu/ausschreibungen-und-preise/phantastikpreis-der-stadt-wetzlar.html

Forgot to sign it: Jannis (talk) 08:39, 12 November 2023 (EST)

I do think it should be perfectly eligible. Stonecreek (talk) 07:06, 12 November 2023 (EST)
I agree that it appears to be eligible. Ahasuerus (talk) 15:41, 13 November 2023 (EST)
Hearing no objection, I have created a new Award Type and an Award Category for this prize. Please let me know if there are any issues with the new records, otherwise have fun entering the awards :-) Ahasuerus (talk) 15:54, 17 November 2023 (EST)
Thats great! Thanks a lot Ahasuerus, I will add the books & authors of last winners of this price, and later link the price to their works. Jannis (talk) 05:16, 18 November 2023 (EST)

Pro Se

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=pro+se&type=Publisher; If anyone knows whether these are all by the same publisher some altering to bring them under the same publisher name would be helpful. They publish pulp-style stuff in all genres; neither of the books on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=pro-se-press&and%5B%5D=year%3A%222016%22, are on ISFDB, Sushi Bar... likely has some genre-related stories, probably other eligible books by them out there. --Username (talk) 21:46, 12 November 2023 (EST)

If memory serves, I used Amazon's Look Inside to look into "Pro Se" publishers/publication series at one point. Their books used a number of different forms of attribution and I couldn't figure out the logic behind it. Someone would need to do more digging to sort it all out. Ahasuerus (talk) 11:55, 13 November 2023 (EST)

Cyrano and Jules Verne

https://archive.org/search?query=airborne+alan-c; I added 2 anthologies recently, imported genre stories into Skyriders in a PENDING edit, imported 3 genre stories (Kipling, T. L. Thomas, O'Flaherty) into Airborne but there's a couple of ancient excerpts (?) that are a problem. The Cyrano title doesn't match the one on ISFDB and there is no such title by Verne here. Searching for Verne title online only got 1 hit, https://www.mwbooks.ie/pages/books/307419/alan-c-jenkins/airborne-compiled-by-alan-c-jenkins, an Irish bookseller's page for Airborne. Typing a line of text from Verne's story got nothing online. I doubt this book found some long-lost Verne story so I assume it's just a novel excerpt. Does anyone know? --Username (talk) 10:41, 13 November 2023 (EST)

Anna's Archive has a downloadable copy. According to the Acknowledgements page, the Cyrano title is a "passage from Other Worlds by Cyrano de Bergerac, translated by Geoffrey Strachan". The Verne title is a "passage from From the Earth to the Moon by Jules Verne, translated by Jacqueline Baldick". Ahasuerus (talk) 12:15, 13 November 2023 (EST)
The submission has been approved. The two titles discussed above have been added. Ahasuerus (talk) 14:38, 13 November 2023 (EST)

Bellows

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?97465; I added FantLab photo in a PENDING edit, findagrave.com says Jeffrey, not Jeffery, and has "Kent" in quotes like it's a nickname but the grave says Kent Bellows, and what does the G. stand for? --Username (talk) 09:24, 14 November 2023 (EST)

Bizarrocast

[3]; I was going through the old horror webzine Rosewort, adding links (yes, I found ANOTHER D. F. Lewis story, "Aspen"), and the Ken Goldman story "Going Potty" had a dead link. Then I noticed that the Bizarrocast link in that story's record leads to a log-on page because the original site is gone, but the archived site hardly has any archived pages; I tried one from 2013, "How the Isle of Cats Got Its Name", and after waiting a long time for the page to load all I saw was Arabic (?) writing so even that seems to have been captured after the site was already dead. My link above searched for all title webpages with Bizarrocast in their URL and there's quite a few so if anyone knows whether there's a new site, say here. Otherwise, all those links should probably be deleted. --Username (talk) 13:16, 14 November 2023 (EST)

Book storage and moving boxes

When I packed my book collection for an interstate move last year, I mostly used the 1 cubic-foot book boxes sold by U-Haul. There were a total of about 135 boxes. I have just finished unpacking the last of them and no damage occurred to any of the books. I particularly liked that they stacked nicely and were easy to hold onto while moving them around. They were especially useful for moving and storing paperbacks. Since there always a need to put some books into storage, I recommend using these boxes. Cheers! Phil (talk) 17:16, 14 November 2023 (EST)

Bloodlust and Fangers

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?118655; Today I was adding links to any stories on the old Bloodlust-UK horror site that are on ISFDB and they seem to have redesigned the site some time after 2005 because there were a couple of links that had different URL's for the same stories. I did get quite a few links, including at least one that was published earlier on Bloodlust than what the note on ISFDB says and two by the same author that were supposedly original to one of her collections but were actually published on Bloodlust more than 10 years earlier, and was feeling pretty good about all that until tonight when I decided to see if the authors who got links had any other stories online nowadays, non-archived, and while looking for stories by Denise Sodaro this site came up, https://fangersinc.wordpress.com/tag/short-stories/, where they dumped most/all of the original site's stories without any note that I can see that these stories are nearly 2 decades old. I nearly cried at how much faster I could have added links from Fangers instead of trawling through the old site. Anyway, it seems they were collected in some recent Fangers anthologies; I feel bad for people paying money for these old stories that mostly shouldn't have been published the first time when online editors were hungry for content and would accept almost anything. However, there is one thing that could lead to something interesting; this guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?118655, seems to have plagiarized at least one story, "Jumpers", which I added a note to some time ago with an explanation of who actually wrote the story. His other ISFDB story is in an anthology that I read via Interlibrary Loan years before I was an editor here and I can't remember a word of it so no way to tell if that's original. Bloodlust had a story by Michael Steinberg, "Life, or Something Like It", but this Fangers site calls him M. O. Steinberg even though he was already using the M. O. name back when the original site was active so why he went by Michael is anyone's guess. I typed a line of text from "Life..." on Google but got no hits so I'm not sure if it's original or another plagiarism. So if anyone owns the anthology Dreaming of Angels and can read Steinberg's story or reads "Life..." and recognizes it as being by someone else, can you let us know? --Username (talk) 20:11, 16 November 2023 (EST)

Mark Powers - two different people

Currently for this author we have a bunch of UK juvenile titles, and some Jim Butcher/Dresden Files comics. I'm reasonably sure these are two different people: here is the agency page for the former, and here a publisher page for the latter, with neither page acknowledging the other work.

Unless anyone objects, I propose to split these off, probably making the second one "Mark Powers (comics)" unless there are better suggestions. ErsatzCulture (talk) 13:54, 17 November 2023 (EST)

I agree. This is a page showing a pic of the Dresden comics writer. Definitely not the person shown in the two Twitter/X profiles on our author page. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:00, 17 November 2023 (EST)
The Dresden Files comics should now all be switched over to the new author record. Thanks for confirmation! ErsatzCulture (talk) 18:59, 19 November 2023 (EST)

Twitter changed to "X/Twitter"

I am seeing more and more references to "X" instead of "Twitter". I have changed the way third party links appear on bibliographic pages from "Twitter" to "X/Twitter" to reflect this. It's a trivial change, so we can always tweak it again if the name changes. Ahasuerus (talk) 22:46, 17 November 2023 (EST)

Darrell Awards

https://web.archive.org/web/20120908050157/http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~timgatewood/sf/darrell/DarrellWinners_Categories_96to12.pdf; I came across that while looking for something else entirely and since some here like entering new awards and this doesn't seem to be on ISFDB I thought I'd link it in case anyone wants to enter it if it's eligible. --Username (talk) 13:49, 19 November 2023 (EST)

Final Frontier Cover

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?13334; I noticed there was a Greg and Gregory Brodeur here, made Gregory an alternate, made variant of one of his essays and merged 3 into 1 for the other essay (a variant will need to be made of that result after, I think), noticed 1st printing of Final Frontier '88 US PB was on Archive.org so added a link, finally noticed BORIS VALLEJO is credited for a foreign edition but not for any of the others even though they have the same art, Bluesman who was PV of 2 editions is long gone so if active PV of US PB agree with PV, Welo, that added art (they didn't mention where they got it in their notes) then cover credit can be added to all with date of US PB. --Username (talk) 19:00, 19 November 2023 (EST)

The German translation states Boris Vallejo as cover artist on the copyright page. But, i wouldn't take this as given for every other release without another source to verify. At the time the german publishers weren't the reliablest for infos on the copyright pages, they had sometimes wrong infos (copied from previous pubs, but not correct). I've stumbled over a few wrong ones over time. Welo (talk) 12:31, 1 December 2023 (EST)

SFWA Bulletin

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?951170; I was doing Bruce McAllister edits and there's 1 Bruce McAllaster credit here (along with a correct spelling elsewhere in it) but SFWA.org says McAllister so probably a misprint by PV. Also, Gatherng should be Gathering, Nores should be Notes, etc. If anyone can see a real copy all of those can probably be fixed. I assume there are many other mistakes in the other issues of this bulletin since the same PV worked on most/all of them. --Username (talk) 11:11, 20 November 2023 (EST)

Book of Ballads Dates

https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ofearna#Book_of_Ballads; Does anyone agree with me that the 2004 contents should be November instead of October? They say they're original to this book in their notes. --Username (talk) 17:39, 21 November 2023 (EST)

Lecrivain

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=the+last+swan+prince&type=All+Titles; 2017 zine has no period after the C in her name, 2020 webzine does, story's title page will need to be seen to determine if 2017 really doesn't have it, then there should be a merge or a variant. Her other story in that zine doesn't have a period, either, according to ISFDB. --Username (talk) 18:25, 21 November 2023 (EST)

Ormazoids

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5816628; Since PV is deceased if anyone wants to add/fix anything mentioned in my note to mod, feel free. EDIT: Seems logical UK edition would have been first for a Who book so title date should probably be 1986-00-00 unless anyone can determine exact UK date. --Username (talk) 18:56, 21 November 2023 (EST)

Patterns of the Fantastic II

https://archive.org/search?query=%22patterns+of+the+fantastic%22&sort=title; Copyright page says December 1984, title page says 1986 in roman numerals, ISFDB says May 1985. If anyone knows what's the deal here they may want to add the link where appropriate and fix dates if needed. --Username (talk) 00:22, 23 November 2023 (EST)

The title page date is on a sticker that has been applied after printing. That sticker also has "Borgo Press". So it could be Borgo was selling copies for Starmont House or they made a photographic reprint and stuck their sticker on it. May 1985 is the date Locus1 has so that might have been the source for the ISFDB record. Rtrace has secondary verified it with Clute/Nicholls and Reginald3. I will ping him to see if either of those might has some info to shed light on the situation. -- JLaTondre (talk) 07:53, 23 November 2023 (EST)
Neither Reginald3 nor Clute/Nicholls mention Borgo. The former has a 1985 date while the latter has 1984. Chalker/Owings has the 1984 date. BP 300 has 1985. This is probably due to the difference between copyright and publication dates. Also from BP 300, Borgo acquired Starmont in March 1993 after having purchased Starmont's Contemporary Writers Series in 1991. If I had to guess, the sticker is likely a cancel of the Starmont publisher and perhaps the 1986 date is due to a typo (VI vs IV). With that scenario, the sticker was likely added sometime after 1993 when Borgo purchased Starmont. Chalker/Owings does note that the purchase included Starmont's back stock. Regardless, if we decided to add a new publication record for the Borgo cancel of Starmont, I don't think we can date it exactly and I'd recommend using the unknown date. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 09:13, 23 November 2023 (EST)
I made the following changes:
  • Updated the Starmont House editions with the stated publication date as per ISFDB standards. I also included a pub note on the secondary source dates and a statement that it was likely not out until after the stated publication date.
  • Cloned an undated Borgo Press edition with a statement regarding Borgo Press buying Starmont House backstock & the uncertainty of the Roman numeral date's meaning.
  • Added the contents.
-- JLaTondre (talk) 08:21, 25 November 2023 (EST)

Philip K. Dick Reader

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1365790; I cloned an 11th printing and publisher is Citadel+Kensington like 2016 but cover is same as 1997 which says publisher is Citadel Twilight; does anyone own a 1st printing who can say whether it says Twilight or if 1997 should be changed to Kensington? Twilight books had a certain bluish look about their covers and they say Twilight on the cover which this book doesn't. Per note on ISFDB Twilight ended in 2000 so it's possible it was a Twilight book and it was only mentioned inside. --Username (talk) 10:46, 24 November 2023 (EST)

ASIN

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966441; Clicking US ASIN leads to a different magazine; I don't know if that happens often or not but I thought I'd mention it. --Username (talk) 18:07, 24 November 2023 (EST)

There are two ISFDB records sharing the same ASIN, "B0CDQWPL1Z":
Their respective Edit Histories show that the 2 pubs were manually entered by the same editor on the same day. Most likely it was a copy-and-paste error. I have corrected the erroneous ASIN; thanks. Ahasuerus (talk) 21:17, 24 November 2023 (EST)

Salt Is Not For Slaves

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=salt+is&type=All+Titles; I can't find a copy of 1931 Ghost Stories issue where it says E. W. supposedly, can confirm it's G. W. in Book of the Living Dead (added link in a PENDING edit from OL-only no-search copy). --Username (talk) 12:19, 25 November 2023 (EST)

Rustin Parr

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36131; Title was entered in 2011, I've made 3 edits (one in each of the last 3 years), and only today noticed the title was wrong; it's Confession, not Confessions. Fixed that in a PENDING edit and while doing so noticed there are 2 foreign editions, https://archive.org/search?query=%22rustin+parr%22+stern&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=year%3A%222000%22, in case anyone fluent wants to enter those. I also have an edit adding UK Boxtree 4th printing of The Blair Witch Project: A Dossier by the same author; there is a HC book club (?) edition of the Onyx edition on Archive.org but I didn't bother with that. --Username (talk) 21:29, 26 November 2023 (EST)

Khaw & Kadrey's The Dead Take the A Train

Re. this title, I propose deleting the pub dated 2022-09-27. That was the original publication date, which was pushed back a full year. I have added this detail to the notes for actual pub when it was released (2023-10-03), so the earlier pub record is now redundant. Any objections from anyone? PeteYoung (talk) 07:43, 27 November 2023 (EST)

Would it not be better to make the pub date 8888-00-00, rather than deleting the record? That way the ISBN is still in the database in case anyone else tries adding it in future? ErsatzCulture (talk) 08:36, 27 November 2023 (EST)
Yeah, that sounds sensible. Done. PeteYoung (talk) 15:49, 27 November 2023 (EST)

ayaz daryl nielsen

Are there any objections to using lowercase for Ayaz Daryl Nielsen. I have never seen him credited any other way. John Scifibones 09:01, 27 November 2023 (EST)

Hearing no objections, the change has been made. John Scifibones 10:31, 3 December 2023 (EST)

Eichner

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=m.+eichner&type=Name; While adding links and other stuff to E. Everett Evans books I noticed Eichner shows up twice as an illustrator and I assume those are the same people which would mean a variant is needed. Also, Eichner's birth date is off by 10 days from Wikipedia and most sites seem to agree it's 9, not 19, so the day may need changing. --Username (talk) 00:38, 30 November 2023 (EST)

Disabling the Synopsis field for Variant Titles

Back in April 2022 "Make This a Variant Title" 2022-04-30 was modified to move VTs' Synopsis data to their parent titles. A new cleanup report, Variant Title with Synopsis Data, was created at the same time.

The original plan was to:

  • clean up any titles found by this cleanup report (1,600+ at the time)
  • confirm that there were no scenarios where a VT needed to have Synopsis data
  • change "Edit Title" to disable the Synopsis field for VTs

The first step was never completed, so the process stalled. I have now processed/corrected around 50 (out of 1546) affected title record. It is as we suspected. Most just needed their synopsis data to be moved to the parent titles. Some needed two synopsis entries reconciled. A few were in error, e.g. there was Notes data in the Synopsis field or vice versa. A few Synopsis values were using a language other than English, which is explicitly not allowed in Help.

Based on the above, I think it's safe to change the software to disallow entering Synopsis data for VTs. If there are no objections, I plan to work on it over the next few days. Ahasuerus (talk) 13:03, 30 November 2023 (EST)

Will this block adding a synopsis to a serial title? In at least this case, each of the serial titles is a separate novella that could justifiably have its own synopsis. Phil (talk) 21:57, 1 December 2023 (EST)
That's right, the proposed change would prevent Synopsis values from being added to SERIAL titles. I don't think it should cause significant issues since semi-standalone SERIALs are rare and could be handled the way we handled George Lowther's Superman:
  • Chapters 1-2 describe Superman's planet of origin, Krypton. Chapters 3-5 deal with Clark Kent's childhood with his adoptive parents. In chapter 6, Clark goes to Metropolis and gets a job with the Daily Planet. The remaining eleven chapters deal with a mystery involving ghost ships and Nazi spies.
Ahasuerus (talk) 10:53, 2 December 2023 (EST)
That's what I thought. Hmmm. I don't think that would work in the case of Last Stand since each of the installments (Episodes) are approx. 20,000 word novellas which have differing focus characters within the pseudo-TV series framework and the summaries should be more than a couple of words each. I'm not convinced it is truly a serial anyway. Anniemod set this up initially and I've been following suit since. I could just as well see this as a series called Last Stand with the individual novellas as normal Chapbooks/Shortfiction titles. Phil (talk) 12:52, 2 December 2023 (EST)
If they have different focus characters and different plots requiring different synopses, then I agree that they sound more like linked stories than a serialization. Ahasuerus (talk) 22:09, 2 December 2023 (EST)
I'm the only PV for these. On deeper examination, I believe they are linked stories, not serials. I'm going toss a note to Annie and then convert these from serials to shortfiction, unvarianting the titles, and grouping them under the series Last Stand. Phil (talk) 07:37, 3 December 2023 (EST)

Outcome: Software has been changed

Hearing no further objections, I have changed "Edit Title" to disallow entering Synopsis data for variant titles. Template:TitleFields:Synopsis‎ has been updated as follows:

  • A synopsis can only be entered for canonical titles. The software won't let you add a Synopsis to a variant title.

If you come across any issues, please let me know. All that's left is cleaning up the remaining 1400+ VTs which still have Synopsis values. Ahasuerus (talk) 19:15, 5 December 2023 (EST)

There was a minor bug in the associated cleanup report. It was causing three valid title records to appear on the report. The bug has been fixed. Ahasuerus (talk) 15:54, 6 December 2023 (EST)

Nightly cleanup reports fixed

It turns out that the recent addition of a Notes template with an apostrophe in its name -- "Achevé D’Imprimer" -- broke the automated nightly process which regenerates cleanup reports. The software was fixed a few minutes ago and everything should be back to normal tomorrow morning. Ahasuerus (talk) 14:12, 30 November 2023 (EST)

New superseries for Glynn Stewart's Castle Federation

Would anyone object if I create a new superseries named Castle Federation Universe which would have the existing series Castle Federation as subseries #1 and Dakotan Confederacy as subseries #2? Phil (talk) 18:14, 1 December 2023 (EST)

No objection -- book covers and Goodreads reviews confirm it. Ahasuerus (talk) 19:09, 1 December 2023 (EST)
Done. Phil (talk) 21:52, 1 December 2023 (EST)

Julie Novakova/Nováková

The page for this author has "Novakova" in her name, and states uses accentless spelling of her surname for foreign publications.. However I just checked her collection and an anthology she contributed a story to, and an anthology she co-edited, and all use "Nováková". I assume these should at least be a variant, but I don't have the privileges to see who might have added that author note, in case they can shed any further light?

(Also, "foreign publications" seems a bit Anglocentric, especially in conjunction with a Czech author?) ErsatzCulture (talk) 19:38, 2 December 2023 (EST)

Ghosts of the Chit-Chat

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?869953; Contents #1, #4-7, #9, and #12 are not original; they're much older stories with at least one (Tatham) being under a different name (H. F. W.) and title ("Phonograph Bewitched"), plus a couple of authors that are not already on ISFDB (although J. K. Stephens may be James Stephens who is). If anyone owns this or knows where to get a look at the full text some fixing/merging is needed after determining what names and titles are actually used in it. --Username (talk) 21:02, 2 December 2023 (EST)

Best of John W. Campbell

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1212025; I have a PENDING edit adding Archive.org link to '76 US PB and another edit adding month to intro but the afterword has a variant with neither having a month. PB doesn't actually say afterword on that essay's title page so this may be a false variant that needs merging into one. --Username (talk) 19:26, 4 December 2023 (EST)

Best New Romantic Fantasy

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?29658; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5827168; Re: this series, I don't think #3 was ever published like a lot of announced Juno books. There's almost no info online, nobody ever entered contents, etc. I think it should get an unpublished date here. --Username (talk) 13:58, 5 December 2023 (EST)

Sanjulian

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?914; Should this be changed to Sarjulian and made a variant of his parent name? Because it's supposed to be what's on the page, not what PV thinks it should be. --Username (talk) 19:03, 5 December 2023 (EST)

Dutch Plot

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28987; '79 Plot doesn't belong with the others. --Username (talk) 10:50, 6 December 2023 (EST)

Very Special People

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5828417; A copy of the rare 1977 horror novel The Soul of Anna Klane was uploaded to Archive.org earlier this year and I just came across it, it's a second impression so I cloned it, uploader messed up because the jacket is from an awesome book about circus people (or freaks as they were called back in the day) that anyone my age probably remembers reading or at least looking at the photos. Would anything by the author, https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL529624A/Frederick_Drimmer, qualify to be on ISFDB? --Username (talk) 20:59, 6 December 2023 (EST)

Is "Frederick Drimmer" the author of The Soul of Anna Klane? The covers say the author is Terrel Miedaner. The only one from the list of Frederick Drimmer's works that looks like it might be includable is The Body Snatchers, but it depends on what it's about. All his other works seem to be nonfiction about non-genre topics. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:33, 7 December 2023 (EST)
Other works by Miedaner that might be includable include [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/181242.The_Mind_s_I The Mind's I, in which he has a story or essay (not sure which as the book contains both). It has a work by Stanislaw Lem in it. I couldn't find anything else by Miedaner that could be included. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:40, 7 December 2023 (EST)
Miedaner wrote the novel, Drimmer wrote dozens of non-fiction books including some about genre-related topics that I thought might qualify. Maybe someone will find one or two with something in them that can be entered. The novel seems to have had a lot of other editions not on ISFDB including some foreign editions with weird covers so maybe someone fluent could enter those. Also, the Mind's I book you mentioned is on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=terrel+miedaner, in case you think that qualifies to be entered here. --Username (talk) 12:55, 7 December 2023 (EST)

Gary Allen

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?87741; The author of None Dare... died long before the other works on his page were written so obviously by a different Allen; he has his own Wikipedia. However, I don't think there should be a variant but rather the novel removed because it's not really a novel, it's an anti-Communist diatribe by a member of the John Birch Society that's been reprinted endlessly. --Username (talk) 13:42, 7 December 2023 (EST)

Book has been deleted. Clear nongenre, nonfiction by a different author than the speculative fiction Gary Allen. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:16, 7 December 2023 (EST)

Twice Twenty-Two

https://openlibrary.org/works/OL103175W/Twice_twenty-two?edition=key%3A/books/OL26558953M; 2 copies, one searchable and one not, searchable one has a gutter code on p. 405, "03 N", which is not in the book club edition's note about gutter codes on ISFDB. Non-searchable one has no code. So if anyone knows how to identify dates from the code they may want to enter at least the copy that has a code. --Username (talk) 11:58, 8 December 2023 (EST)

Schrecksekunden

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5830404; Does anyone recognize the cover I added? I'm almost sure I've seen it before on an English-language book; if so, artist is likely on ISFDB for that and can be added to this. --Username (talk) 09:44, 9 December 2023 (EST)

https://www.michaelwhelan.com/galleries/emergence/ and that conveniently also has From the Heart of Darkness cover. Looks like we have this. --MartyD (talk) 11:05, 9 December 2023 (EST)
The PV of the affected pub is active and a moderator, so I pointed him at this. --MartyD (talk) 11:10, 9 December 2023 (EST)
The cover of [Schrecksekunden] is correct. Regards Rudolf Rudam (talk) 05:43, 10 December 2023 (EST)
Submission approved. Cover credit added to Schrecksekunden with a publication note specifying the secondary source & new cover art record varianted to the prior one. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:19, 10 December 2023 (EST)

Aiken's World Well Lost

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?915733; I don't think Joan published a book with this title but rather it was her brother, John, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?135, so Joan's record for that book should probably be deleted. --Username (talk) 19:06, 9 December 2023 (EST)

Deleted. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:24, 10 December 2023 (EST)

Pan Mystery Walk

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?556649; Someone just uploaded a foreign cover for Baal, one of Robert R. McCammon's novels, which led me to do some edits for other of his books (there's a lot left to do even though I've done many previously). There's a $75 Subterranean Press signed limited edition of The Night Boat which has been on Archive.org since April of last year which I somehow never noticed before so I added a link to that but the Pan edition of Mystery Walk only has a 2nd printing uploaded; the question is whether the 1st printing also says Stephen Crisp on back cover instead of Steve Crisp, which is what's on ISFDB. So if anyone owns a 1st printing (I don't see anything online except 1 eBay auction where they took photos of everything EXCEPT the copyright page) and it says Stephen then that needs fixing. --Username (talk) 17:38, 11 December 2023 (EST)

International Polygonics Edition of Liars and Tyrants and People Who Turn Blue

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20274; I've made a few edits for this before but noticed today a copy was uploaded to Archive.org earlier this year so I added a link, replaced postage stamp-sized Amazon cover with their cover, and added LCCN (their site screwed up entering the title). However, the copy has a big thick sticker obscuring the cover art credit on the back; it seems to start with Kev so probably Kevin; no other books on ISFDB from the publisher have that in the artist's name so if anyone has/can find a copy can you let us know what the artist's name is? --Username (talk) 19:51, 12 December 2023 (EST)

Brennan's Riddle

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308567; Been doing some Joseph Payne Brennan edits and this one is odd; there's no content. Is it possible that it contains his 1964 poem "Riddle"? It's likely not a collection but a chapbook or something similar. I added cover image and FantLab ID in a PENDING edit. --Username (talk) 12:29, 13 December 2023 (EST)

Dedications in Poems

I'm holding this submission to alter the title of this poem based on this web page from the magazine's web site. My question is whether "(For Edgar Allen Poe)" should be considered as part of the subtitle, or whether that is a separate dedication that should not be included in the title field. If we go with the latter, it could be added to the notes. My recollection is that poems occasionally have "For XXX" listed in a smaller typeface under the title though usually without the parenthesis. I don't think we usually include these as part of the title field. How do other folks feel about this. If there is disagreement, we can move this to the rules and standards page. Thoughts? Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 09:50, 14 December 2023 (EST)

Personally, I wouldn't include this as part of the title. It is somewhat similar to the way some sources treat additional information, for example for series - like in The Death of a Hero (Star Wars), and it is a dedication. Christian Stonecreek (talk) 11:35, 14 December 2023 (EST)
Dedications are a common occurrence, I never include them in the title. If someone wishes to put then in the note section, I would not object. John Scifibones 13:25, 14 December 2023 (EST)
Hearing no differing opinions, I will reject the edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:08, 22 December 2023 (EST)

Pocket Pulse

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269828; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251391; Should these very old entries by the late PV be changed to Pocket Pulse as the publisher so they merge with all the many others on ISFDB? --Username (talk) 13:08, 14 December 2023 (EST)

Martha Wells / All Systems Red - Code P1

Some copies of the original tp of All Systems Red have a code "P1" underneath "First Edition: May 2017" on the copyright page. Other copies have no code; the corresponding area is blank. Does anyone know the meaning of this code? Some online booksellers says this code denotes the first printing (or first state of first printing) but this seems to be their opinion. Is there any independent, documented, verifiable evidence of its meaning? Secondly, how should this be recorded in the ISFDb? We have two records: PoD and non-PoD. Should I create a new pub record for the P1 code version or should I just add a pub note to an existing record stating that some copies have this code? Teallach (talk) 18:41, 14 December 2023 (EST)

Rich Grote

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?176753; I added, in a PENDING edit, archived site (online now is dead) richgrote.com and Behance page and wickedlocal.com article which revealed he's from New Jersey. There is a Rick Grote credit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?112933, but his bio at various sites online says he started in 1976 while this book is from 1975. Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?123700, where one actually says Grote in the book while the other was not named but editor entered it from cover signature. So if anyone can say for sure that Grote or Rick Grote are Rich Grote then those can be made variants. --Username (talk) 19:42, 14 December 2023 (EST)

Ash of Stars

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102752; I was doing a bunch of James Sallis edits recently (links to several short stories, archived link to Shores Beneath, adding a massive collection from 2007 titled Potato Tree) and noticed this book about Delany. I don't do many edits for Delany because I can't stand him personally but I'm sure many people here like his work so I'll mention that the copy on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=sallis+delany, the copy on Amazon.com and the copy on Google Books all have the same ISBN on back cover with the barcode saying 53950 which means price is $39.50 but ISFDB says $42.50. Also, ISBN is for HC supposedly but archived copy looks like TP to me. So if anyone wants to add a link to the copy and fill in anything else or change anything, please feel free. --Username (talk) 08:58, 15 December 2023 (EST)

Scheduled server maintenance - 3pm 2023-12-15

The ISFDB server will be down for scheduled maintenance between 3pm and roughly 3:10pm server (EST) time on 2023-12-15 (today). Ahasuerus (talk) 13:39, 15 December 2023 (EST)

The server is back up. Thank you for your patience. Ahasuerus (talk) 15:08, 15 December 2023 (EST)

Brian Keith Evenson = Brian Evenson?

Any thoughts/objections on making Brian Keith Evenson a variant of Brian Evenson? The former has just 2 pieces of short fiction in 1986 and 1989 (both with difficult to Google titles), which slightly predates the earliest work of the latter. Howevever (a) "K." is listed as the middle initial of the legal name of "Brian Evenson" (with SFE saying this it is "Keith"), and (b) the 1989 story was published by Brigham University, which Wikipedia says is where Brian Evenson got a degree and was later employed. Evenson's site doesn't have any detailed bibliography that might help clarify those two early stories are his. ErsatzCulture (talk) 14:39, 15 December 2023 (EST)

The source given for The Leading Edge, September 1989 is FictionMags Index. Checking them, they have these as the same author. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:50, 15 December 2023 (EST)
Thanks - I've now set up variants/alternates for the author and two title records. ErsatzCulture (talk) 18:37, 17 December 2023 (EST)

Conan the Valiant

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?982255; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5836070; Added a few archived links to some of Roland Green's Conan novels, went backwards so first novel was looked at last, it already had a link added by someone last year, as can be seen in my edit above the cover is not the same as the later editions, any Ken W. Kelly experts who know his style can say if both are his work in which case art needs unmerging or if Tor mistakenly carried over Kelly's credit for the later art by someone else. --Username (talk) 21:07, 16 December 2023 (EST)

F. Piatti

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=co+piatti&type=Name; 2 credits for each, one should be parent assuming credits are correct; maybe they're all really spelled the same and someone just entered one or the other name wrong here. --Username (talk) 11:38, 17 December 2023 (EST)

Done. Thanks for this find! Christian Stonecreek (talk) 04:36, 18 December 2023 (EST)

Abridged editions?

Do we include abridged editions? I know we don't include dramatizations but the help doesn't seem to say anything about abridged editions. Thanks! Phil (talk) 15:02, 17 December 2023 (EST)

Sure we do! It's possible to add them to the general title (and add a note to the publication), or if the abridgement does alter the story in a major way to add it as a variant, or if another hand is credited for the abridgement to add it as a stand-alone title, like in this title. Christian Stonecreek (talk) 04:44, 18 December 2023 (EST)
Thanks for the clarification. I've started to run across a number of audio items that have abridged versions but haven't been sure if I should add them. Phil (talk) 07:37, 18 December 2023 (EST)
I have been told that abridgements are certainly accepted, but that they are never added as variants. How to deal properly with them was incorporated when dealing with translations, which are made variants but the difference in language makes it possible to distinguish them from name/author variations. ../Doug H (talk) 08:39, 18 December 2023 (EST)
That's certainly true for audio versions/readings: here it is quite a regular case that they are abridged, so they should just be added with a note under the respective title. Christian Stonecreek (talk) 12:33, 18 December 2023 (EST)

(unindent) Abridged editions are included. The FAQ says:

  • If an individual story is rewritten or revised, then we create a Variant Title for it and add the nature of the changes, e.g. "expanded", "abridged" or "restored", in the Notes section. Please note that these conventions are likely to change in the foreseeable future as we beef up our software in this area.
The original Feature Request to change the software to display "relationships" between titles was created back in 2008, but it hasn't been implemented yet.
Of course, when dealing with drastically changed titles, e.g. novels reduced to excerpts or short stories expanded to novel length, we create separate title records. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:33, 19 December 2023 (EST)
To the original question - abridgements are in. I am questioning the varianting advice. I also once noted the lack of documentation on abridgements specifically. The original place I was told not to variant abridgements was in this conversation. The argument was that variants were for title / author variations or translations as a special case due to limitations in the software. Only one moderator said so, but no one contradicted, so have been going by this since. There were earlier and later discussions (I doubt I found them all) with varying degrees of agreement but no resolution.
And the FAQ reference above was answering a question about portions of a story appearing earlier in a novel that is expanded or created from a series of shorter stories. The HELP on variants says at the beginning that they are only for title and author variations, but later talks about how to deal with translations (with a link to how-to details). ../Doug H (talk) 23:50, 19 December 2023 (EST)
Help:Screen:MakeVariant says:
  • Two title records are variants if they are in fact the same story, but have either a different title, or use alternate names for the author.
Translations are effectively "the same story" for our purposes, but I agree that it's not made clear in the statement above. We should probably update it. Ahasuerus (talk) 10:16, 20 December 2023 (EST)
It sounds like abridgements should not be varianted. But there's no help on how to document the relationship to the original - be it in the Notes or a linking template. ../Doug H (talk) 23:50, 19 December 2023 (EST)
I'm following this closely since most audio abridgements are significantly shorter than their unabridged brethren (should they exist for comparison). Often 2-3 hours compared to 8+ hours. The source novel is often in the 270 page range. Phil (talk) 08:57, 20 December 2023 (EST)
I would expect a version that contains only 25-33% of the original material to be considered a separate derivative work. Kind of like E. Nesbit's juvenile adaptations of William Shakespeare's works are listed as separate works with the word "(abridged)" appended to the end of the title: "A Midsummer Night's Dream (abridged)", "The Tempest (abridged)", etc. Except, of course, there would be no additional co-author. Ahasuerus (talk) 10:52, 20 December 2023 (EST)
To me, this makes the most sense. If it's significantly abridged, it should be a separate work (for example, I think the abridged audio releases of The Courtship of Princess Leia should be separate as they are only 3 hours as opposed to the unabridged version of 14 hours (finally being released in January)). ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:00, 20 December 2023 (EST)
Based on this guidance, the title above has now been split into The Courtship of Princess Leia and The Courtship of Princess Leia (abridged). Phil (talk) 18:02, 20 December 2023 (EST)

Présence du Futur

Ex-editor Hauck entered some entries in this endless French series but only basic info. I came across a manual which I added as a link, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5837420, although I have no idea if it contains anything useful, then I entered several missing bits of info for Gravité à la manque from Open Library, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5837421. I then came across a title with an actual copy, but rather than stumble my way through entering info from books in a language I'm not fluent in I'm just going to list this, https://archive.org/search?query=%22une+collection+d%27inedits+au+format+de+poche%22&sin=TXT&and%5B%5D=collection%3A%22inlibrary%22, so if anyone can find anything useful to enter from those they can do so. --Username (talk) 00:34, 19 December 2023 (EST)

Crash Override

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?659223; I added archived link and a few other things in a PENDING edit to the other book by the publisher, the novel The Secret. Publisher actually has no space between the 2 words in its name so I fixed that and then was going to check online to see if it was the same for this much later book but realized this probably shouldn't be here since it's not by a known author and it really has nothing to do with genre. So should it be deleted? --Username (talk) 10:54, 19 December 2023 (EST)

I was advised some time ago and it is my understanding that any works shortlisted for a genre award (in this case a Hugo) are considered in. This exception is called out in our policy page but only for online publications. Perhaps we should be more specific. Aside from that, my recollection from reading the book in 2018 is that it is chiefly about the Gamergate event which is tightly coupled with the Sad/Rabid Puppies movements. I don't recall how much Quinn went into the latter, but if at all, it would certainly qualify this as a book about speculative fiction. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 11:51, 19 December 2023 (EST)
OK. It's PublicAffairs in Amazon look inside so I'm going to fix that so both books on ISFDB will be by the same publisher. EDIT: There's 1 archived copy which was uploaded in May, 2021 but wasn't added until January, 2023 (?!?) so I also added a link to that. --Username (talk) 12:14, 19 December 2023 (EST)

Napoleon

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?31091; I added archived links to Minstrel Boy and ...Overhead and fixed formats to TP for both; publisher was also changed to Napoleon Publishing for those 2 and ...Yard because Napoleon & Company, as explained on the copyright pages, is a parent company and Publishing is the actual imprint. The problem now is the 2 e-book Gargoyle editions don't actually show a copyright page on Amazon and, more importantly, Time Thief's beautiful Napoleon cover is nowhere online and ISBN defaults to the Dundurn Press edition's less beautiful cover. Looking at Dundurn's Wiki page they bought Napoleon in 2011 which makes sense because Blogspot page linked in Napoleon's record on ISFDB ends in February, 2011, a month before their Time Thief edition was supposedly published. So maybe someone can say whether Time Thief Napoleon edition should get an unpublished date of 8888-88-88 and whether that and the 2 e-books should have their publisher changed to Napoleon Publishing just to keep everything together. --Username (talk) 19:13, 19 December 2023 (EST)

John Allen

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?186482; Likely 3 or 4 different authors on the same page in case anyone can find info to separate some or all of them. --Username (talk) 19:32, 19 December 2023 (EST)

I split the entry into three. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:18, 20 December 2023 (EST)

Stateham Banners

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3575; Archived copy uploaded in 2020 so I added a link in a PENDING edit; note about frontispiece is wrong as it is credited on copyright page (an editor of Canadian edition noted this correctly) so maybe one of the active editors (Willem, GlennMcG, Spacecow) can fix note so it says the same as Canadian edition. --Username (talk) 19:23, 20 December 2023 (EST)

Speedy In OZ

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366452; Oz fans, a request. I saw a lot of Oz edits in the queue recently and discovered many of R.P. Thompson's books were reprinted in PB in the eighties. I added archived links to the 4 I found but Speedy has a missing cover and most online ones are of the weird $19.00 reprint that nobody seems to know much about; the archived cover sucks because it has 3 huge stickers on the bottom obscuring things and a cover on Biblio.com is shot too far away, has a Barbed Wire Books business card in front of it, and has some plastic holder or something at the bottom of it. So if anyone can find a clear and clean cover, can you upload it? Thanks. --Username (talk) 19:45, 21 December 2023 (EST)

The Dread

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?22179; Year and subtitle (Allen, seen on sfpoetry.com) different than other ISFDB record; poem here, https://poetrynz.net/pdf/PNZ48.pdf, says Allan. --Username (talk) 16:16, 22 December 2023 (EST)

Knock on Wood

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0-671-04070-7+&type=ISBN; Cover says Vornholt; why is Friesner credited for the same book? EDIT: Also Witchopoly, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0-671-02806-5&type=ISBN. --Username (talk) 17:37, 25 December 2023 (EST)

Deleted the two Friesner ones. All reliable sources show these two ISBNs as by Vornholt which matches cover. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:06, 30 December 2023 (EST)

Yesterday We Saw Mermaids

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55736; Cover is the Tor edition but it's on the Wiki so the Pan cover would need uploading to replace it; problem is I can't find it because all eBay copies are Tor. So either it's rare or vaporware. Help, if you can. --Username (talk) 18:00, 25 December 2023 (EST)

Finding forgotten horror story

Hi, all. I hope you all had merry Christmases (if you celebrate). Someone on Goodreads is trying to find a horror story he or she read in the '70s about gentle hand-shaped creatures who live in a forest near a town or village. But then several people are found strangled with hand-shaped bruises on their throats. (Spoilers ahead.) The creatures are rounded up and killed. But the killings continue, and the townspeople realize the creatures were all shaped like left hands, while the bruises on throats are from a right hand (or vice versa). Does this story sound familiar to anyone? Thanks! —Rosab618 (talk) 01:40, 26 December 2023 (EST)

Sidgwick & Jackson Prices

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5843103; I was looking at the Science Fiction Specials (added a couple more links because a few of them were hiding on Archive.org using a title of one of the contents instead of the overall title) and also am adding links and other stuff to books from the publisher by the authors in the Specials. I've noticed their prices on the front flaps are a mess with some being old pre-decimal prices and others being stickered with decimal prices. In this Asimov case you can see a pre-decimal price under the sticker that looks like 35s to me but I can't find any copies online that show the flap. So if anyone knows what the original price was, thinks it should be cloned, etc. let us know. --Username (talk) 09:29, 27 December 2023 (EST)

Silverberg and Neverness

https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:SFJuggler#The_Time_Travelers; Linking this here in case anyone else might own a copy of the Donald I. Fine edition of Neverness. Also, should we make the Silverberg thing a pub. series? There's got to be more than 2 books in it; Archive.org search isn't the most accurate and there could be books not archived that are part of the series. --Username (talk) 17:40, 27 December 2023 (EST)

I have the Donald I. Fine 1st hc edition of Zindell's Neverness. It does state "A Robert Silverberg Science Fiction Selection" on rear flap and also "RS/SF" on spine of dj. I have also discovered that Sturgeon's Godbody has the same features. Looks like a pub series to me, even if it didn't last very long and didn't have many books in it. I have Godbody so I will PV both these pubs and edit them to create and add the pub series. Teallach (talk) 18:40, 2 January 2024 (EST)
Great, thanks! A search for the exact series title on Google only finds the ISFDB record for Godbody and my message on the SFJuggler board. --Username (talk) 18:55, 2 January 2024 (EST)

Where the Southern Cross the Dog

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326635; Does anyone own the August 2002 issue of Locus? I added cover/interior artist and intro by S. R. Tem but I can't find the titles of the stories anywhere, 3 supposedly, and it was reviewed by Edward Bryant in that issue. Maybe he mentioned them. --Username (talk) 18:05, 27 December 2023 (EST)

Ah ha, I recently added a link to 40+ years' worth of microfilmed Locus issues on Archive.org and vaguely remembered that I had asked about an issue of Locus recently. I checked that 2002 issue and yes, all 3 stories were mentioned. The one original, "Black Angel Blues", doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere at all online (until now). --Username (talk) 22:46, 17 February 2024 (EST)

Siergiejew

https://readfrom.net/michael-aronovitz/364512-the_voices_in_our_heads.html; It's Marius Siergiejew in that link, no z in first name but also no "Noistromo", I checked Unlikely Entomology issue and it is Mariusz, so both should be variants assuming all the ones under Marius "Noistromo" actually have the correct name entered; now that the link above shows there's at least one with just Marius maybe that should become the parent after name is fixed and the nickname should be the variant. I added a Blogspot link to the Marius record. --Username (talk) 18:47, 29 December 2023 (EST)

Alternate name created. I would not consider that site reliable enough to change a verified pub. Unfortunately, the verifier is no longer active so we will have to wait for someone else to re-verify it. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:58, 30 December 2023 (EST)

Webs of Time

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?54122; Does anyone think the replacement cover I used is better than the old one? Mod didn't agree. --Username (talk) 22:35, 29 December 2023 (EST)

Well, the overall quality (= colour likeness) seemed better with the amazon source, and I do assume that this source will be more stable than Fantlab (and presumably that's the line of thought Chris_J also tended towards). Christian Stonecreek (talk) 06:26, 30 December 2023 (EST)
I guess; anyway, my replacement cover will still be in edit history so that's something. --Username (talk) 08:53, 30 December 2023 (EST)

Fanni S.

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=fanni+s&type=Name; Probably the same person, maybe entries under the first name really don't have the special "u" or maybe editors didn't enter it that way. --Username (talk) 00:21, 30 December 2023 (EST)

The three records with Suto all had Amazon Samples available which showed they should have been Sütő. Only one was verified and that verifier is showing as not active in several years. I made the changes. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:46, 30 December 2023 (EST)

Pandora Effect

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45062; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit, do any of the active PV think an August month should be added to dates as notes say? --Username (talk) 11:10, 31 December 2023 (EST)

Great Tales of Action and Adventure

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5846199; Cover question about this '67 10th printing I just added. It says Richard Powers on copyright page but Robert Shore on back, Powers credit possibly left over from earlier printings? Should Shore be entered instead? --Username (talk) 18:23, 31 December 2023 (EST)

My copy doesn't have the credit to Shore on the back, but the cover is different than the Powers original. Seems like we should have a Richard Powers (in error) created as an alias to Shore. Tom (talk) 18:43, 2 January 2024 (EST)

Through the Budgerigar

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?925198; While adding LCCN to Jones novel Transplant I noticed this book was added not long ago and while SFE mentions it and even a cover artist there seems to be no evidence of a cover online; can anyone find one? --Username (talk) 18:06, 3 January 2024 (EST)

To the Sound of Freedom II

https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive53#To_the_Sound_of_Freedom; I came across this record again today; should it get an all-8's date? --Username (talk) 18:24, 4 January 2024 (EST)

HG Wells and His Critics

https://archive.org/search?query=wells-and-his-critics; Anyone know a way to tell which of the 3 publishers these copies are from so I can add links? The USA one has no record; maybe it was never actually published by them. --Username (talk) 22:38, 5 January 2024 (EST)

Top Science Fiction

https://archive.org/search?query=pachter-josh+top&sort=-addeddate; Someone added intros to this anthology recently, I added archived link long ago, just noticed a Spanish-language edition, La crema de la ciencia ficción, was upped to Archive.org in 2013 in case anyone fluent wants to enter that. EDIT: From the same publisher is La Crema del crimen, https://archive.org/search?query=crema-del-crimen, which includes a few stories from ISFDB judging by back cover. --Username (talk) 09:40, 6 January 2024 (EST)

I will add the Spanish one. What the heck. --MartyD (talk) 13:12, 6 January 2024 (EST)

Pachter

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1914279; Josh Pachter is credited as "with" on title page of 2015 English edition on Archive.org. Should he be added as co-author? --Username (talk) 10:21, 6 January 2024 (EST)

I didn't check the Archive.org copy, but the Look Inside on Amazon shows that "with" citation, but then on the copyright page it says the English translation is copyright 2015 Dhooge and Pachter. There is also a copyright 2014 for Dhooge and the original publisher. I interpret that to mean Pachter's role was (co-?)translator. I found Pachter's bibliography page, and this listed in the "Translations" section. But just to avoid having anything be too clear, he also has this, where he talks about previously translating another Dhooge work and being asked to "collaborate on an American version" of this one. So does that mean this isn't a translation but is actually a major revision? Dunno. Given that Pachter only takes credit for translating it, I think noting him as translator and documenting the "with" citation and the copyright statements (could throw in the Pachter site references as a bonus) should be sufficient. --MartyD (talk) 13:30, 6 January 2024 (EST)

Star Gors

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5851689; I was adding links and adding/fixing other stuff in some Gor editions, mostly UK Star PB, when I noticed an artist's signature for Players of Gor, Star edition, is on the cover but ISFDB had no credit. I tried several names I thought it could be and finally got Tony Masero who, as far as I can tell, is credited exactly once on the entire net for doing this cover, an AbeBooks/Biblio seller's description, but AbeBooks show the wrong (Daw Books) cover and Biblio's scan of the right cover is much too small to see the signature clearly. So I think I got a rare one. As can be seen here, [4], there are 5 other Star editions with no cover credit; if anyone can find a signature on any of them, beat me to it and enter them yourselves. --Username (talk) 21:49, 6 January 2024 (EST)

Night Mayor Cover Art

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?474; I noticed that the cover art for the original UK HC and the US C&G HC, which is the same, is credited to 2 different artists here. It's easy to find photos of the back flap of US online which does say design by Roy Colmer but of the several eBay sellers who offer the UK none thought to show the back flap. There are many C&G Colmer design credits online so I'm thinking Kemp did the art and US just didn't credit him, only their designer. So should we make C&G artist Jon Kemp with a note about him not being credited? --Username (talk) 19:11, 10 January 2024 (EST)

I have the UK hc of Kim Newman / The Night Mayor. The rear flap of the dust jacket states: "Jacket Illustration: Jon Kemp" and "Jacket Design: Bostock & Pollitt Ltd." Teallach (talk) 18:44, 18 January 2024 (EST)

Darrah Chavey's Passing

I was saddened to read this morning of Chavey's passing in File 770 (Number 7 in the Pixel Scroll). It was always a pleasure to work with him here and he will be missed. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 06:49, 11 January 2024 (EST)

I replaced link on his page with an updated one; also, while adding a link to the issue of the zine, Aurora, where his Walton essays appeared I discovered that most issues of Aurora and its predecessor Janus are on Archive.org, he PV most (all?) of them, but some have full contents while others have nothing. I imported a few poems from Robert Frazier, Steven M. Tymon, etc. but there's a ton of other book reviews and articles and stuff for anyone who's interested. --Username (talk) 19:15, 11 January 2024 (EST)
Sad news indeed. He had a heart attack a few years ago and has been less active since then, but he was only 69, so it was unexpected. Thanks for updating his User and Talk pages. I have updated user rights on his account. Ahasuerus (talk) 23:11, 12 January 2024 (EST)
Rtrace, thanks for letting us all know. I echo your sentiments. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:47, 13 January 2024 (EST)

Barn Owl

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4296; I made an edit for City of Hermits long ago and today added some more stuff; I think this Barn Owl is not the same as the other that published much later. Ann Jungman who wrote a few of the later ones has a Wiki page where it says she founded Barn Owl in 1999 so I think the 1983 one should get a USA or California or something added to it. Whoever wrote the note about Frances Lincoln here seems to have conflated the 2 publishers; the England location probably belongs with the later publisher. --Username (talk) 08:27, 11 January 2024 (EST)

I separated out Barn Owl Books (UK) and Barn Owl Books (USA) based on the ISBN's. I also updated the notes for Barn Owl Books (UK) based on this article. When untangling publishers, the Global Register of Publishers can be of help. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:11, 13 January 2024 (EST)

Pat Frank Title

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856366; I added cover image long ago; just came across archived copy which was there years before my edit so I'm not sure why I didn't add it back then but I did now and also added dash in title, H-Bomb, but I noticed there's another part of the title that people can't decide on. Mhhutchins entered it with 3 dots but title page has one GIANT dot while facing page has long dash and LOC/WorldCat has comma. So what's the consensus? --Username (talk) 11:44, 11 January 2024 (EST)

Sue Robinson

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?16675; I added archived link and a few other things to the HC of Amendment; author is a respected American newsperson. She should be differed from the Australian author. 1992 story in Weird Tales may be by either of them or another person since there's no bio in that issue. Also, does anyone own Amendment PB? It has nice cover art but there's no back cover photo online where I assume the artist would be credited. I see some weird blocks in the lower right, P and another letter, maybe initials or maybe just part of the art. --Username (talk) 19:10, 11 January 2024 (EST)

I separated out The Amendment to Sue Robinson (I). The author blurb for The Amendment does not align with the bio for the more prominent newspaper reporter of the same name, nor does that person list The Amendment as one of their works on their personal or faculty website. So probably two different reporters with same name. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:55, 13 January 2024 (EST)

Peter Goodfellow

http://petergoodfellow.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/18-misc2; I added a few credits for this artist but the last one has me stumped because the 1992 edition had the same cover as the last image here, http://petergoodfellow.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/18-misc2, but that was wrong because archived copy has the same Posen cover as the later printing on ISFDB. Goodfellow cover has an M for Mammoth so was it an earlier or later edition and why can't I find the original Methuen cover anywhere? --Username (talk) 12:54, 12 January 2024 (EST)

French Swastika

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5857839; French speakers, I made my usual shaky attempt at entering a foreign-language edition but I felt a book of such fame probably deserved it; after approval if anyone cares to look it over I'm sure it can be improved. I also made a follow-up edit changing date of French variant to a year earlier to match the date of this book. Also, those Feminist Press editions, https://archive.org/search?query=swastika-night&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22, are a mess, the one with the white cover matches the UK Lawrence & Wishart edition's cover but has the info of the '85 Feminist edition, while the other 2 with the face on the cover either a) have no price on the back and totally different back cover text but copyright page is the same or b) are a 4th printing from 2003, I think, with cover info on copyright page the '85 edition doesn't have and a missing back cover so no way to tell what was on there. If anyone cares to figure all that out. For some reason the French edition I mentioned above is in English according to Archive.org which is obviously wrong. --Username (talk) 18:59, 12 January 2024 (EST)

UK Omni

https://fantlab.ru/edition356174; I added archived links to the 6 volumes of Best of Omni and noticed FantLab has a photo of #6 with a UK price on it in case anyone knows more about that; maybe all 6 were published there but, if so, none are on ISFDB. --Username (talk) 10:23, 14 January 2024 (EST)

Tiret-Bognet

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=bognet&type=Name; same Verne illustrator, same book in different languages, one should be parent and maybe some of the art needs merging, Holmesd worked on many of these Verne books so he'd probably know. --Username (talk) 19:48, 14 January 2024 (EST)

Server maintenance 2024-01-15 at 3pm EST

The ISFDB server will be down for maintenance on 2024-01-15 (today) between 3pm and 3:10pm EST. The database and the Wiki will be unavailable. Ahasuerus (talk) 14:09, 15 January 2024 (EST)

The server is back up. Ahasuerus (talk) 15:06, 15 January 2024 (EST)

N. Katerli

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=katerli&type=Name; I found a huge (380+ pages) thread on FantLab's message boards with people who have died, many of which were never entered on ISFDB (not all genre, though, some footballers and other non-genre people are included, too) and while adding many dates and photos I came across Katerli; I added Wiki link, day of death, and photo to Nina's record but is that other spelling the same person? If so, some variant would probably be needed. --Username (talk) 12:25, 17 January 2024 (EST)

It's very possible, given how things get romanized from Eastern European languages. Perhaps one of our Eastern European language people can do a little digging? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:30, 17 January 2024 (EST)
Looking into it a bit myself, I'm 100% sure they are the same person. Working on connecting them. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:57, 17 January 2024 (EST)
Okay, everything is here, now. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:27, 17 January 2024 (EST)
Thanks for working on her stories. I have added dates and updated the author record. Ahasuerus (talk) 21:51, 17 January 2024 (EST)

Terry Venables

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5861442; Is this the famous footballer (or soccer, as we Yanks call it)? There seem to be a lot of photos of him but some of them look like a different person so just making sure this is the right guy (he wrote some novels including Bornless Keeper which is on ISFDB but online info seems to suggest he didn't actually write any of it, Gordon Williams did). --Username (talk) 12:44, 17 January 2024 (EST)

Yes, things like that do happen: there are several titles in the database for which it is doubtful if the featured prominent author did actually write them; and so, jugig from the photo and the theme of the listed title it is the Terry Venables. Christian Stonecreek (talk) 07:38, 18 January 2024 (EST)
I can confirm that the photo in your submission is indeed of the English footballer Terry Venables. Teallach (talk) 18:42, 18 January 2024 (EST)

Alchemy Magazine

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?35135; Luminist.org has a lot of magazines not on Archive.org and while replacing cover and adding link to Alchemy #2 I noticed all 3 issues have a different format, TP/unknown/pulp. Those who know about such things may want to adjust those since I'm assuming they all should be the same format. --Username (talk) 01:11, 18 January 2024 (EST)

Dinotopia Digest Novels

I just made about 20 edits for this series (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5862661 through https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5862859) and as usual with series books it's a nightmare; I think I did as much as I could with what's available (oddly, only 1 book, Survive!, didn't have its original Random House edition entered on ISFDB so I had to scrounge up a copy on Google Books to enter info from). I think only one thing may raise questions and that's this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2230051, where an editor here in 2017 entered James Gurney as cover artist but even though he's mentioned on all copyright pages because he's the creator/owner of Dinotopia it was actually Michael Welply who did all the covers. Problem is after I removed cover credit (I didn't enter Welply because while it does say that in archived 3rd printing copy there are some 1st printings of books in the series that misspelled it as Welpley and then corrected that in later printings) I noticed the nomination for best cover in the art record. So I don't know what to make of that; was Gurney nominated because he's the creator or did someone make a mistake and not nominate the real artist, Welply? --Username (talk) 12:58, 18 January 2024 (EST)

Pratchett's Eric - converting into novella?

I did a word count on a digital version of Eric, and it's around 35000 words, i.e. clearly a novella. Comments on the title and various publication records point out how unusually short it is. Locus calls the first edition a novella, but later editions a novel. I think the novella classification is correct, but am hesitant in converting such a high-profile title. Any opinions? TerokNor (talk) 08:01, 19 January 2024 (EST)

My electronic copy contains 34.2K words, so it's a novella. That said, I wonder about Locus changing its classification after the first edition. Is there any indication that later editions may have been longer? Ahasuerus (talk) 11:43, 19 January 2024 (EST)
I can find no indication of there being different editions of the text. I noticed however that after the original illustrated edition (which was billed "A Discworld Story"), it usually says "A Discworld Novel" on the covers, so Locus might have just gone with that. TerokNor (talk) 13:59, 19 January 2024 (EST)
It sounds like it's a novella whose subtitle (but not the word count) was changed in later editions. I suggest we wait for other editors to share their thoughts before we change the type from NOVEL to SHORTFICTION. Ahasuerus (talk) 15:49, 19 January 2024 (EST)
I added an Archive.org link in a PENDING edit to The Illustrated Eric, 2010 Gollancz HC, so that may help with the counting; page count said 144 but it is actually 131. --Username (talk) 12:26, 19 January 2024 (EST)
I have approved the submission that corrected the page count and updated the Note field to indicate where the corrected page count comes from. Ahasuerus (talk) 15:49, 19 January 2024 (EST)
(Chime) Not surprised, don't care, go ahead. ../Doug H (talk) 21:26, 19 January 2024 (EST)

(unindent) Hearing no objection, I have left a message on TerokNor's Talk page asking him to proceed with the proposed changes. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:38, 24 January 2024 (EST)

Thank you. I have submitted the first edit to begin the process. TerokNor (talk) 05:19, 2 February 2024 (EST)

Late Mods

I had a thought while adding FantLab ID to a PV Brian Lumley book today; is there a way to remove the necessity of adding a note to the mod about what changes you made if the mod is deceased? There have been several mod losses recently, most of whom PV countless books, so it would save time to not have to write anything if the only PV's are ones who are not going to read those notes. --Username (talk) 12:23, 19 January 2024 (EST)

I think there are two sides to this issue.
The first one is technical, i.e. whether it would be possible to modify the software to check each primary verifier's Talk page to see if it starts with the "Deceased user" template. The short answer is "Yes, it would be possible, although it would also make our core software more closely intertwined with the Wiki software, which may become a minor nuisance during the next Wiki upgrade".
The second one is functional, i.e. whether making this kind of change would be desirable. I am not sure it would. It would save some keystrokes, but there is value to having more detailed Edit History for primary verified publications even if their verifiers are no longer available. Ahasuerus (talk) 15:42, 19 January 2024 (EST)

Moll/Head Virgin Planet

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5864268; I added cover and prices but I think publisher should be changed to Wyndham, either Star or Tandem or Target which are all on ISFDB related to Wyndham, since their logo is on front and back covers, https://www.ebay.com/itm/143869122299. The other issue is the cover is the same Charles Moll art as earlier US paperbacks; Michael Head was a designer with 1 other ISFDB credit that notes say is just a photo and a Mike Head I noted in an edit earlier today as the designer for Piatkus edition of M. Bingley's Waiting Darkness did a cover which is just a photo of a fist. So where Head credit came from for Virgin Planet I don't know but I think Moll credit should replace it. --Username (talk) 23:09, 19 January 2024 (EST)

One Hundred Years of Science Fiction

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5864915; I'm guessing this Gollancz edition is rare judging by the fact there's almost no photos of the cover online. As can be seen in my edit, notes about year (probably very old and entered by the long-gone Bluesman) are obsolete now because the year is on the title page. Also, the price was entered by Mellotronman from his copy but for a 1969 UK book the pre-decimal price should be entered so that's what I did; problem is in his note to mod in edit history he says other price is 32s, not 30. So if he's still around he may want to PV and add a note about the alternate price (I'm assuming the archived copy's flap is badly framed which is why the other price is not visible) and delete year notes and add a new one saying the date is on the title page. --Username (talk) 12:31, 20 January 2024 (EST)

It doesn't help that two different printings share the same ISBN. Mine says 1970 on the front of the title page and 'second impression 1970' on the back of the same page. The price is most definitely listed on the dust jacket as '32s', an unusual way of writing 'shillings'. The more usual way would be '32/-'. Perhaps the first impression was 30s and the second 32? Mellotronman (talk) 16:55, 20 January 2024 (EST)
OK, I think it makes sense now, copy on Archive.org is '69 1st pr. with just s-price while your 1970 2nd pr. has both s-price and pounds. So after my edit is approved you may want to clone it and enter yours with new date and prices and PV it, too. --Username (talk) 19:07, 20 January 2024 (EST)

Tom Palmer

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?98449; 2 or 3 different Palmers here; novels are by the guy pictured but the art credits are by the recently deceased (2022) famous comic artist who had a still-online site, tompalmerillustration, and a Wiki page as Tom Palmer (comics); the poem, judging by the bio at the archived Aphelion link, is by another likely American Palmer. --Username (talk) 21:58, 20 January 2024 (EST)

Lone Star Law

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?80404; Anyone think this should be deleted? --Username (talk) 17:34, 21 January 2024 (EST)

The Note field says:
  • Western story anthology. It may have some spec-fic stories, but otherwise, there's no reason for it to be in the database.
Have we been able to find this anthology's table of contents and determine whether any of the stories are SF? Ahasuerus (talk) 15:23, 24 January 2024 (EST)
I was able to look at the ToC via the Amazon Look Inside feature for the pb edition (ISBN 978-1982153069) and I don't see anything there that looks like SF. Phil (talk) 15:38, 24 January 2024 (EST)
Reading the editor's introductions to each story I noticed that two stories were called "eerie". After reading them, I can confirm that one is an unambiguous ghost story while the other one is an ambiguous "curse" story. I have added them to the publication record and updated Notes. Ahasuerus (talk) 22:13, 24 January 2024 (EST)

Recording plagiarized work

A couple of days ago File 770 reported (item 5) that "After the Flood" by John Kucera was plagiarised from another author. I've added a note to that title record, but I'm wondering whether anything else should be done, e.g. making it a variant? ErsatzCulture (talk) 01:36, 22 January 2024 (EST)

Unless the poem uses the same wording I'd think the only thing we can do is to add notes to the title (and likely the publications the plagiat was published in). Christian Stonecreek (talk) 01:32, 22 January 2024 (EST)
All three of the works "by" this author that are listed on ISFDB appear to have been plagiarized. I've added notes to the title entries as well as the publication entries. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:59, 22 January 2024 (EST)
Thanks all! ErsatzCulture (talk) 15:22, 22 January 2024 (EST)
At some point, we should probably make them variants since (in all the reports I've read) only the title were changed by the plagiarizer. Similar to this one. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:34, 22 January 2024 (EST)
I've added the variants for the two I could figure out. Still unsure who originally wrote "Summer 1993" and what the original title was. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 16:15, 22 January 2024 (EST)
How about this one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2951283? --Username (talk) 16:29, 22 January 2024 (EST)
Looks like it's the same guy per a Google search that brought up this (archive), which is the same thing but under his Kucera name. Now to try to figure out who really wrote it. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:06, 22 January 2024 (EST)
Some additional archive links to help us figure out all of this: Wild Word, Lothlorien Poetry Journal (archive), One Art Poetry on X, One Art Poetry, The Fictional Cafe, Sparks of Calliope (see also this page), New Reader Magazine (archive), Wendy N. Wagner loves pie on BlueSky, and I'll add more later. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:31, 22 January 2024 (EST)

(unindent) I suspect that the issue of plagiarized works is going to become harder to deal with in the near future. In the past we had to deal with two types of scenarios:

  • word-for-word reprints with the title/credits changed, usually by shady publishers or self-publishers
  • more elaborate schemes whose perpetrators plagiarized sections of other authors' works

The first type is fairly straightforward, but the second type is hard to catch. For example, volumes 29 and 33 in the Casca series were retroactively removed from the series over allegations of plagiarism in April-June 2013. It happened 3-5 years after their original publication even though the Casca fandom is very active. It's not something that we, bibliographers, can realistically identify on our own.

Over the last few months I have seen a number of reports of plagiarists using software to scrape Web-published stories, massage them using ChatGPT and put them on Amazon, e.g. this episode over the Christmas holidays. I suspect it's going to be a pain to deal with. Ahasuerus (talk) 22:29, 24 January 2024 (EST)

Bard II

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291859; Wrong cover, it has price and ISBN of earlier printing, I can't find right cover, if anyone else can, can you upload it and replace this one? --Username (talk) 10:47, 22 January 2024 (EST)

Also, The First Long Ship (or Longship on some sites) which has no cover online I can find so if it exists and someone can find it that needs uploading, too. --Username (talk) 11:03, 22 January 2024 (EST)

Galactic Central Images

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5867682; The only other site I can find that has this cover is Camelot Books; I was going to upload it when I thought of checking Philsp and found it hiding there. Is the owner(s) of that site ever going to upgrade to HTTPS? Right-click and "open image in new tab" does show the image but it still would be better if that didn't have to be done. --Username (talk) 12:43, 22 January 2024 (EST)

Last I heard, the owner said that he had no plans to upgrade to HTTPS. That said, browser vendors have been making it harder to access HTTP sites, which puts pressure on site owners to upgrade. It remains to be seen how it may affect Galactic Central in the future. Ahasuerus (talk) 15:21, 24 January 2024 (EST)

German Playboy

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?757; While replacing sideways Amazon cover with better straight cover for one of these books I noticed there are 8 or 9 that don't have cover credits (last book was unpublished so likely no cover exists); since most covers in the series were originally on English-language books it's likely the missing ones were, too, so if anyone can recognize the art then artists can be entered and variants can be made. --Username (talk) 09:08, 24 January 2024 (EST)

Brian Ames Title

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?119003; I added a link to a MOTA anthology over a year ago and there's a 2002 story by Brian Ames which editors before me seemed to have trouble deciding how to enter (see extensive title edit history), eventually settling on a symbol; however, in his collection someone entered the title as "grey blob", which is what it actually looks like in the anthology. So the 2 stories are the same and should be merged but what should the title be entered as? This reminds me of that David J. Schow horror story where nobody can ever decide how to enter it and eventually settled on "scribbled graffiti" or this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?76213, but at least Oates can get away with that because most of her work is pretentious "literary" stuff, anyway. --Username (talk) 12:22, 24 January 2024 (EST)

Merged here. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:39, 24 January 2024 (EST)

Duplicate finder -- NOVEL/CHAPBOOK?

The "Duplicate Finder" program, which exists in three incarnations -- one for Author pages, one for Title pages and one for Publication pages -- searches for potential duplicate titles and then lets you merge them. Its default mode of operations is "exact", which means that two (or more) titles need to have the exact same spelling as well as the same authors in order to be considered potential duplicates.

The "exact" mode also ignores unlikely title type mismatches. For example, if one title record is SHORTFICTION and another one is NOVEL, they won't be flagged as potential duplicates. However, the "exact" mode currently flags NOVEL and CHAPBOOK titles with identical titles and authors as potential duplicates. I am thinking that this is likely more harmful than useful and would like to propose that we change the behavior of the "exact" mode to skip identical NOVEL/CHAPBOOK pairs. Ideas? Ahasuerus (talk) 17:35, 24 January 2024 (EST)

I agree. As it is currently, we could accidentally merge titles incorrectly. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:40, 24 January 2024 (EST)
I also agree. --MartyD (talk) 13:21, 25 January 2024 (EST)
I use that one a lot especially when adding juvenile chapbooks to prolific authors (mainly Fixer's) - because of how Amazon has these, they rarely make it to addPubs and not having the duplicate finder highlight the previously entered novel (a lot of these are stored as novels and need conversion) makes it more likely not to see the other version on the page. So I would rather not lose it... Annie (talk) 18:43, 25 January 2024 (EST)
Let me clarify that the Duplicate Finder's "similar" mode would continue to flag NOVEL, SHORTFICTION and CHAPBOOK titles as potential duplicates after the proposed change. Would it be sufficient for Fixer-originated use cases? Ahasuerus (talk) 21:41, 25 January 2024 (EST)
But we do not have a similar mode in the pubs/titles Duplicate finder. The one I use is the one that triggers when you click on "Check for Duplicate Titles" after a Pub/Title Edit. Which I believe is "exact". If I need to go to the author page every time to run a separate similar mode check, it will add steps. Plus in some of these authors, it will highlight a lot of things which is different from the current case where it is a quick check that finds usually a single match when it does. I can make it work - but it will add to the workflow. One option may be to allow the similar as an option on pub/title duplicate finder - keep the exact as a default but allow a similar to be run with a click how we do it on author page's find duplicates? A separate click which is right there will help.
And this is not just for Fixer usecases - I've needed it when moderating as well often enough in a similar usecase - we have chapbook/novel and a new(ish) member adds the same as the other.
If the proposal is to remove it from the 'Author' exact duplicate finder only with no change for the pub/title duplicate finder, then I am fine with removing it there. But the way the proposal reads, it sounds like we are not going to show it in the default mode in either :) Annie (talk) 10:45, 26 January 2024 (EST)
Thanks for the clarification. I forgot about the fact that the versions of the Duplicate Finder software used on Publication and Title pages do not support "similar" and "aggressive" modes. If memory serves, the reason was performance -- there can be thousands of titles with "similar" spellings where "similar" is defined as an 85% overlap, the current threshold value.
It sounds like what we may need is a new Duplicate Finder mode. Something that would be the same as the "exact" mode except that it would also flag identical CHAPBOOK/NOVEL title pairs. It would be made available on all three Duplicate Finder pages.
If it sounds workable, I can look into what it would take to implement it. I suspect that it should be a fairly straightforward change, but I am not 100% sure. We'll also need to come up with an intuitive name for the new mode. Ahasuerus (talk) 12:11, 26 January 2024 (EST)
That will work for me. And if you are going to do it, we may think about throwing an anthology/collection/omnibus format mix in the same mode (same usecase essentially - especially around juveniles and novellas previously added as novels). And even poem/shortfiction? Maybe simply pull all the format discrepancy matches out from Exact (requiring a format match in it) and move them to their own type of duplicate finder mode. That will also make it less likely for someone to merge by mistake based on the standard duplicate find.Annie (talk) 12:27, 26 January 2024 (EST)
You could have "type" be an independent modifier applied to any of the three modes. Something like "Match identical types only", on by default. That would also be easy to extend to other criteria (e.g., language) in the future without having a cross product of mode choices. --MartyD (talk) 14:26, 26 January 2024 (EST)
Good point! Ahasuerus (talk) 14:43, 26 January 2024 (EST)

(unindent) After experimenting on the development server and paying closer attention when working on the Clean Authors cleanup, I think I have a better appreciation for Annie's concerns. At this point clicking "Check for Duplicate Titles" post-approval is second nature for moderators and self-approvers. When a submission adds a NOVEL publication, it's very helpful to know that a CHAPBOOK pub with the same title already exists in the database, especially if the submitter is a robot. Requiring the approving moderator to click yet another link/button would mess with the workflow.

I suppose we could change the Duplicate Finder logic to ignore CHAPBOOK/NOVEL duplicates by default, but display a yellow warning -- and a link to the more relaxed version of the Duplicate Finder -- if they exist. I am not sure it would be ideal, though. Ahasuerus (talk) 11:34, 31 January 2024 (EST)

As long as it is a link and not a need to go elsewhere or to go to the author level, that will work for me.
I'd also want to ask for the anthology/collection/omnibus and the poem/short fiction checks to be added to the chapbook/novel both for the yellow warning and the more relaxed one - both of these happen often enough to be annoying if we lose the ability to see them on the duplicate finder. Unless the plan is to leave these into the default one - in which case, we are fine. Annie (talk) 11:45, 31 January 2024 (EST)
After thinking some more about this issue, it occurs to me that there may be another way to approach this issue. Currently, most post-approval Web pages display links that let you view/edit the updated/added record or, for some submission types like Make Variant, multiple records. A few post-submission pages also link to the Duplicate Finder or other pages.
However, there is nothing preventing the post-approval software from quietly checking the status of the added/updated record(s) and displaying appropriate warnings. For example, the post-approval page for NewPubs could run the Duplicate Finder behind the scenes and then display a message like:
  • The added publication record includes a title record with the same title and authors as another title record. Use the Duplicate Finder link above to see the details.
This warning message would be easy to implement and moderators would no longer have to worry about forgetting to click "Duplicate Finder" after approving NewPub submissions. Does this sound useful?
If we choose to add this warning message, we could still decide to tweak the Duplicate Finder logic later, but I think the message should be implemented first since it changes the workflow. Ahasuerus (talk) 16:53, 2 February 2024 (EST)
That will be useful -- I am not sure how many false alerts will show up and how they will be treated (especially from the less experienced moderating users - usually the self-approvers) but other from that, any checks the software can do for me are always welcome. Annie (talk) 14:08, 6 February 2024 (EST)
OK, FR 1592, "Warning after approving NewPub submissions which create potential duplicates", has been created. We'll see how useful it will be. Ahasuerus (talk) 14:48, 6 February 2024 (EST)

Duplicate Finder enhancements -- Outcome

FR 1592 has been implemented. After approving NewPub/AddPub/ClonePub/EditPub submissions, moderators and self-approvers will now see a yellow warning and a link to the Duplicate Finder if the created/affected publication record contains one (or more) title records which have the same title(s) and author(s) as other title records in the database. Ahasuerus (talk) 14:58, 8 February 2024 (EST)

Moondust

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22737; I added a whole bunch of edits for Rosemary Harris books and also found a PDF link for her early uncollected story "Hamlin" at Galactic Journey. Looking through their list of PDF's I noticed a Swann link and, thinking it would be a short story, I clicked it and it turned out to be the full original edition of his novel Moondust which has no copies at the usual places like Internet Archive or Luminist. I'm guessing there's more novels hiding in that list but for now I'll just ask if anyone owns the book and wouldn't mind transcribing the text on the last 2 pages and adding it to the record because those are missing in the PDF. I'm not sure what copyright rules are for a 50+-year-old book but I think a page or two would count as an excerpt and wouldn't bother anyone, right? --Username (talk) 11:43, 25 January 2024 (EST)

That can get complicated. Since this was first published in 1968 in the United States, and if it was published with a copyright notice, the copyright expires at the end of 2063 (meaning it becomes public domain on January 1, 2064). If it was published without a copyright notice, since it was published between 1964 and 1977, it is now in the public domain. See here for more details. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:27, 25 January 2024 (EST)
Looking at the PDF copy from the link you submitted, the copyright notice is very clear on the back of the title page. This means the copyright doesn't expire until 2064, so we shouldn't be linking to a pirated PDF copy. I rejected the link addition. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:30, 25 January 2024 (EST)
So does that mean that all the 330 or so Luminist.org PDF's currently linked on ISFDB are pirated, too? Because I don't think most of those are public domain; I would know because I'm the one who added most of the links. Has any mod in the history of this site ever gotten a request from anyone to remove a Luminist PDF? I'd be curious to know. When someone pirates something and uploads it, they love to add their name, fake as it may be, to the upload, similar to how computer game crackers decades ago loved to add their names to the crack, usually with some animation and music (which were sometimes better than those in the game itself); believe me, I could easily add hundreds of Internet Archive links to rare books right now except for the fact that the uploaders converted them to crap e-editions with removed page numbers. I don't see anything like that in Moondust so it's likely someone's personal copy they converted to a PDF; it's clearly the original paperback with page numbers and a bookstore sticker on the cover and everything. Since Swann died in 1976 and the last reprint as far as ISFDB (and WorldCat) say was in 1977 I doubt anyone would care if a PDF was linked to here; any serious collector would want a physical copy. My suggestion would be to un-reject it. Barring that, I'll just go ahead and make a note with the address of the PDF but not hot-linked so people know where it is but actually have to paste the URL into the address bar themselves in order to get it. --Username (talk) 17:47, 25 January 2024 (EST)
This guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?286234, runs the site. Looks legit to me; he even published a magazine of the same title. --Username (talk) 18:08, 25 January 2024 (EST)
The question about the status of Luminist-hosted PDF files is an interesting one. I should first note that I became aware of the Luminist Web site back in 2010 when we were given permission to link to Luminist-hosted images. I was under the impression that the files that they host were similar to Gutenberg-hosted "copyright-cleared" files, which is why I have been approving their addition for the last few years.
However, reading the copyright statement on the main Luminist page:
  • This collection may contain copyrighted material which has not been specifically authorized for our use. The copyright law of the United States (Title 17, United States Code) provides for making “fair use” copies of copyrighted materials under certain conditions, including that that the reproduction is not to be used commercially or “for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research.” By accessing files linked to this site you are agreeing to abide by these restrictions. If you do not agree, do not download. If any copyright owner objects to our inclusion of their material on this web site, please do not harass our hosting providers; just contact us with the pertinent information. We will remove contested content promptly upon receipt of legitimate requests. Readers who wish to obtain a permanent copy of any item are encouraged to acquire one from a bookseller of their choice. Readers may contact us for assistance in locating copies for purchase.
I see that they expect their users to download PDF files for "private study, scholarship, or research" purposes and, apparently, not for permanent use. This relies on an interpretation of the "fair use" doctrine which seems a bit too stretchy to me, but I am not an expert in the field. Ahasuerus (talk) 18:09, 25 January 2024 (EST)
OK, sounds good to me, "private study" clearly can mean reading the book and since they're being linked at ISFDB that covers the scholarship/research part. Also, what I took to be a Galactic Journey magazine is just a few random pages from the webzine with a couple of essay links, 1 of which is movie-related and probably doesn't qualify, but there's some Hugo Award nomination so I guess they count; the first entry is totally blank and was actually entered by user "galacticjourney" himself with mods questioning on his page why he entered it since it's a webzine. The site is still running currently and has hundreds of essays, many of which would be suitable for entry here, I'm sure. --Username (talk) 18:25, 25 January 2024 (EST)
Let me clarify what I meant by "a bit too stretchy". The part of the Copyright Law that they cite -- "for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research" -- doesn't come from the "fair use" clause (Section 107 of the Copyright Act.) Instead it comes from Section 108, "Reproduction by libraries and archives". Section 108 is a lengthy section with a set of provisions that are completely different from the "fair use" provisions in Section 107. It's odd that the Luminist Web site cites Section 108 ("libraries and archives") language to support what they state is a Section 107 ("fair use") exception.
I should add that both Section 107 and Section 108 lawsuits can get complex and technical as we saw during Hachette v. Internet Archive in 2020-2023. My knowledge of these topics is very limited, but hopefully other editors may have more in-depth knowledge and/or relevant experience in this field. Ahasuerus (talk) 21:38, 25 January 2024 (EST)
I have started a Rules and Standards discussion to see if we can come up with unambiguous rules for linking to third party-hosted texts. Ahasuerus (talk) 20:50, 26 January 2024 (EST)

Reactor?!?

I was at my awful local public library printing out various articles and short stories for free which is the only positive thing about libraries these days and after my hour was up I realized I forgot to check Tor.com to see if they published any new fiction (horror only, please, no SF or fantasy) so I checked when I got home and got a scary-looking page which made me think a computer virus had finally taken hold of my laptop after not having one for many years but it turns out that Tor apparently has re-named themselves Reactor. Is anyone else aware of this? --Username (talk) 17:08, 26 January 2024 (EST)

Yes, they announced it a few weeks ago. New site, new name (to differentiate them from the Tor.com publisher), same team, same contents. All the old links to their old site should be forwarding cleanly to the new one. Annie (talk) 17:30, 26 January 2024 (EST)
And the announcement and Q&A about it. Annie (talk) 17:31, 26 January 2024 (EST)
I suspect that the part of the FAQ that is most likely to affect us is this:
  • SFF literature is still the heart of what we do, and that’s our priority. We’ll just also be open to related subjects of interest, from nonfic to romantasy, pirates to gardening, and so on.
So it looks like they will have more non-genre content going forward, but they expect to remain primarily SF-oriented for the foreseeable future. Ahasuerus (talk) 18:23, 26 January 2024 (EST)

Chinese Godzilla?

https://archive.org/search?query=%E6%80%AA%E7%8D%A3%E3%82%B4%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A9&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; If anyone knows what this is about and decides it warrants entering, thanks. --Username (talk) 18:18, 29 January 2024 (EST)

Magic German Cats

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?33710; There was a 1999 German edition under a new title, https://archive.org/details/katmagie13katten0000unse, in case anyone fluent wants to enter that. --Username (talk) 10:02, 30 January 2024 (EST)

ZOLTAR

[5]; Polish primary verifier seemed to be very active in 2012 and then nothing, they left a lot of their 300+ PV unfinished with missing info, mentioning this in case anyone fluent in Polish wants to follow up on any of them and add or fix anything. I thought of this before but remembered it today after finding a photo for Jerzy Sosnowski on FantLab and an archived copy of the anthology PL +50 which his story on ISFDB appears in. --Username (talk) 12:45, 30 January 2024 (EST)

verification email

I have tried several times to elicit a verification email but nothing has arrived. I've checked junk & trash as well. Is this simply not working? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Starman99 (talk • contribs) .

I am afraid this is a common occurrence, which we discuss in the ISFDB FAQ:
  • Different email servers have different automated rules which may block email coming from certain Web sites, which makes it hard to tell what's preventing ISFDB confirmation email from being delivered to your mailbox.
  • Note, however, that confirmation emails are optional as far as ISFDB is concerned. As long as you can log in, you have full access to all ISFDB features including Advanced Search, display preferences, submission creation etc.
Since you were able to post the message above, you should be all set :-) Ahasuerus (talk) 18:11, 30 January 2024 (EST)

Ace Dates

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5872024; Can someone on the long list of editors find out where someone got month from? Whoever entered many of these old PB long ago was very random about noting where they got the month, but I remember it was a checklist or something so that's likely where this one came from, too. I thought it would be obvious why I added the month since it's there throughout the contents but I guess not. --Username (talk) 23:27, 30 January 2024 (EST)

Berthon

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=theodore+le&type=Name; Space in first entry separates same essay from its appearances elsewhere; no essay title page I can find but I did see a contents page of Frankenstein File that says, um, Ted Le Berthon, https://www.ebay.com/itm/334647759422. So, if anyone can verify, a merge or variant will be needed. --Username (talk) 00:08, 31 January 2024 (EST)

I'm looking for a book title

Hello everyone, I'm looking for a book title. I read the book years ago probably in the 80s. A quick summary the world is divided by a massive mountain range. I think that the protagonist must climb the mountain range in order to become the ruler. They climb the mountain only to find a deep valley on the other side with an even higher mountain range behind it. The protagonist ultimately climbs the second mountain range where they find another land on the far side with another intelligent species. This has been driving me batty and I would appreciate it if anyone knows what this books title is and who wrote it. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment added by Firefighterbgrg (talk • contribs) 19:21, February 1, 2024‎

If no one here is able to help you, we have a section in our FAQ that gives several places where you can ask for help finding the book. Good luck! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:15, 2 February 2024 (EST)

Darrah Chavey

I learn via Ansible today that Darrah Chavey left this mortal coil on 6 January. He was always a learned and consistent editor to work alongside at the ISFDB... Happy trails Darrah, Rest In Peace. :( PeteYoung (talk) 10:39, 2 February 2024 (EST)

Yes, indeed. There was a brief Community Portal discussion on 2024-01-11 and Darrah's database record was updated. RIP. Ahasuerus (talk) 12:01, 2 February 2024 (EST)

Gardner F. Fox's text story in "Strange Adventures"

Earlier today a Usenet poster pointed out that Gardner F. Fox published "The Magic Maker of Rann", a text story, in the comic Strange Adventures #226. The story is lavishly illustrated, but the text works just fine even if you were to reprint it without illustrations, which is how we determine whether a story is "graphic".

The whole thing is available online, illustrations included. Should we treat Strange Adventures as a non-genre periodical and list this story? Ahasuerus (talk) 16:32, 2 February 2024 (EST)

I've entered a number of Eando Binder stories from the Lieutenant Jon Jarl of the Space Patrol series that originally appeared in Captain Marvel Adventures comic, and I entered them in exactly the manner you suggest. I believe some of these stories have been reprinted as text alone, so I felt I was on pretty safe ground. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 16:43, 2 February 2024 (EST)

Lost Ark Storybook

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5880702; ISBN belongs to Scholastic edition judging by a back cover I saw online. There's a later (3rd) trade printing on Archive.org with trade and library ISBN on the copyright page so either this record should be made Scholastic or a new record created for Random House edition(s). I've been adding dozens of Wikipedia links to novelizations recently and I've come across some other issues like this (only one I can remember is Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade by Anne Digby which has pub. series as Hippo Books but that actually belongs to the UK edition which I made a new record for) so when these are approved a check and some fixing/adding is probably needed for at least a few of them. --Username (talk) 12:50, 3 February 2024 (EST)

Rise of the Silver Surfer

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346021; I made an edit fixing typo "udpated" to "updated", surprisingly the only such error on all of ISFDB, and realized that this edition was likely never published with AbeBooks having a weird "cover to be unveiled" photo. So unless someone can find evidence of a copy I think this should get the unpublished date. --Username (talk) 19:30, 3 February 2024 (EST)

Parnassus Wizard of Earthsea

https://archive.org/details/wizardofearthsea00ursu; I added a link to a Parnassus edition based on someone's extensive notes here (no number line or smudge on title page) but there are some editions of this book only linked from Open Library including the one above which has a price much higher than any other book from the publisher on ISFDB but copyright page has same info as 1969 2nd printing so if anyone knows a way to determine the date a new edition can be added. There's an ancient ISFDB bibliography from 2006 by Ahasuerus, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Author:Ursula_K._Le_Guin, which could probably use some updating unless it's been updated somewhere else. --Username (talk) 20:08, 4 February 2024 (EST)

Pranks

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17626; I've made edits for all editions before, original 1983 Amazon cover seems to have disappeared leading to a broken image so I replaced it, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5882029, then I replaced OL/Archive cover which is too dark with an Amazon cover, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5882020, that isn't great but is brighter and still retains the sparkly stuff on the title that Leisure used to attract people to buy their books which then led to disappointment when the buyers realized the novels themselves were usually crap, the latest edition is fine as is, so now I think the 1983 edition with the wrong price and ISBN should be deleted and the image uploaded by Chris J. should be removed from the Wiki since it seems to be the badly creased cover that's still on Amazon with unnecessary back cover included. --Username (talk) 11:17, 5 February 2024 (EST)

Felix Kelly

I entered new records for Faber anthologies Best Murder Stories and Best Murder Stories 2 which are mostly genre or by genre authors; I also looked at Best Tales of Terror, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4213, and even though I know I've seen that cover many times I never noticed until seeing it full-sized on FantLab that there's a very clear signature lower right, FELIX KELLY. I entered that in an edit but the problem is that the record for him, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?255975, might be the same artist who did the 1956 art but can't be the guy from 1879. So there may be 2 Felix Kellys in case anyone can find out more and separate them into 2 records; it's also possible that the 1956 art was not new but taken from something drawn by the older Kelly. --Username (talk) 10:09, 6 February 2024 (EST)

Also added Margaret Wolpe as cover artist for Best Tales of Terror 2; no signature I can see but FantLab credits her + there's a copy on Dalby's site whose front flap says she did "jacket design" and the art does look like many of her other Faber covers. Also greatly updated her record with lots of bio info and noted she was married to Berthold, also an artist, and updated his record as well. Dalby's copy has a pounds price sticker covering another pound price so I'm getting the impression Faber reprinted their anthologies many times with no way to tell except the prices kept getting higher; lots of printings are probably missing so if anyone has any not on ISFDB it would be good to enter them. --Username (talk) 11:03, 6 February 2024 (EST)

The Adventure of the Peerless Peer

Are there any objections to converting this to a novella? The recent ebook reprint is marked as 27k words by Kobo USA and looking at the page numbers and some of the other editions, it does feel too small to be a novel. Thanks! Annie (talk) 17:41, 6 February 2024 (EST)

It's definitely a novella. The Titan Books edition (2011) is well over 200 pages and looks like a bona fide novel, but its apparent length is due to the addition of a very long promotional excerpt from Kim Newman's Moriarty: The Hound of the D'Urbervilles. Ahasuerus (talk) 12:16, 7 February 2024 (EST)

Termush - convert to novella

Another recent reprint shows this one as 25k words in English (Kobo USA count) which will leave it well short of 40K in its original Danish as well. Any objections to converting this to a novella? Annie (talk) 18:27, 6 February 2024 (EST)

John Stanley

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5883789; See my note about artist, that Little Lulu credit in the original Stanley record belongs with I's record because, as my note in the original says, he was born in '39 or '40 so he would only have been 9 or 10 if he did that art which is unlikely; this is the right Stanley, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stanley_(cartoonist). The Melvin Monster credits belong with I, too. I have to assume the Fengriffen Stanley is not the same as I because it's a UK edition and he's American plus it's a photograph, not drawn. --Username (talk) 00:10, 7 February 2024 (EST)

Doolin

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?431777; Late PV entered James Doolin based on signature but there is none, FantLab photo has initials JPD, it's actually Joseph Doolin, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27894, and he has an entry for the same art, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1590968. --Username (talk) 10:48, 7 February 2024 (EST)

Uncorrected Proofs

I'm holding this submission to update this record. I noticed that the record states that it was unpublished (8888-00-00), yet there appears to be a cover that was just added. More importantly it also describes this as an "uncorrected proof" and I had thought that proofs were outside of our scope. The policy specifically excludes Advance Reading Copies unless available for sale to the public. Do uncorrected proofs differ from ARCs in terms of determining scope? This seems straightforward to me and I believe the publication should be deleted. If others disagree and this requires a full discussion, we can move this the the Rules and Standards board. Thoughts? Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 10:59, 7 February 2024 (EST)

I read the rules the same way you do - ARCs and uncorrected proofs are out. However, we do keep records of unpublished but announced books (these are in scope under the announced but never published (entered as "unpublished") part of ROA) so I would not delete this one as it is under that category. So ARC/uncorrected proof of a book that comes out will not be eligible but if the book never makes it out, adding the notes about it into the 8888 book are fine I think. Annie (talk) 11:22, 7 February 2024 (EST)
Comparing this publication record with other, published, editions of the book, I note that it has a different ISBN in addition to a different publisher name. I typically enter announced-then-canceled ISBNs as 8888-00-00 publication records under the rule referenced by Annie. Their presence in our database helps answer a common question: "Whatever happened to this apparent first edition? Why can't I find any copies for sale?" We all know how obsessed collectors can get when it comes to first editions and our database is frequently the only readily accessible place that explains what happened to a "disappeared" ISBN. Ahasuerus (talk) 11:51, 7 February 2024 (EST)
I've no argument with a publication record for an announced, but unpublished book. However, an unpublished book and an uncorrected proof are two different things. The notes on this record confuse the issue as to what the record represents. The addition of a cover scan and artist further confuses things. How are we able to display a cover of a book that was never published? I would suggest that the notes be reworked to indicate that a proof was done as evidence of the planned publication. We could replace the first two sentences with "The Bluejay Books imprint was dissolved late in 1986 just after an uncorrected proof for this planned edition was printed in September of that year." I would also recommend deleting the cover of the proof and rejecting the addition of an artist. I do worry that if we were to make an exception and allow a record specifically for an uncorrected proof when the book is never published, it would encourage the addition of other proofs and ARCs especially by those editors who surmise rules by examples of what is already in the database. If others think this should be a valid exception to allow records for proofs, then we should document it in the scope page as is done with ARCs offered for sale. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:00, 7 February 2024 (EST)
That sounds like a plan and the proposed change in the notes sounds fine to me - that will make it clear that the record is here because the book was announced and not because it had an ARC/uncorrected proofs done. I am at two minds about the cover - if it was announced with the book, recording it makes sense as it may help trace it to an artist later on and as it is part of the record after all. But other from that - I agree that we need to be careful not to confuse ARCs and unpublished books per se - although when a publication fails through often varies so there are ARCs out there for books that do not make it - that one being an example. Maybe all we need is to strengthen the language to specify that the exclusion is for books that end up being published - thus allowing the usecase we have here without a concern. Annie (talk) 19:06, 7 February 2024 (EST)
I agree that the pub record should stay because it falls under "announced but never published" and agree with Ron that the problem with it as it stands is that the pub note gives the impression that the record has been created for the proof, not the unpublished book. Ron's tweak to the pub note solves this problem.
Further notes and suggestions:
1) I agree that mentioning the proof in the pub note is a good idea. It is evidence that the book was announced.
2) I definitely think the cover image should be deleted. It should either be omitted or of the final cover. The latter assumes the publisher reached that stage and that we could find the image. All very unlikely. The cover image is more than just the artwork; it's also the colouring, wording, layout and typography and those aspects of the proof cover clearly wouldn't reflect the final version.
3) I would delete the OCLC/WorldCat External ID and just mention it in the pub note because it refers specifically to the uncorrected proof and not the unpublished final work.
4) I'm ambivalent about importing the coverart record. It's clear from the cover of the proof that Ron Walotsky was the intended artist so this falls under "announced but never published" but it would need a pub note explaining the source and why there's no image.
5) I'm broadly against making an exception for including ARC's / proofs when the book was unpublished although I do see Annie's point of view. But I think it's an unnecessary complication and veers back towards Ron's point about "encourage the addition of other proofs and ARC's especially by those editors who surmise rules by examples of what is already in the database" which is something I strongly agree we want to avoid. Also, if we do permit this exception, how do we implement it? Does it mean we would have two pub records: one for the unpublished work and one for the proof? Teallach (talk) 07:46, 8 February 2024 (EST)
I've gone ahead and change the notes as discussed above. I've also moved the Worldcat number and the cover into the notes so that it's clear the record is for the unpublished work and not for the proof. I'll reject the held edit. Let me know if someone disagrees with these changes. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:47, 12 February 2024 (EST)

N. Carroll

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?165703; The stories belong with the other Carroll but that ndp thing doesn't look right to me so maybe some other differing addition should replace it. --Username (talk) 23:58, 7 February 2024 (EST)

Author attribution on the three stories, initially credited to Noël Carrol, has been corrected. John Scifibones 07:57, 8 February 2024 (EST)
Thanks. I still think it's weird about that (ndp) because there's thousands of nom de plumes on ISFDB but this is the only one that has that added on the end of the name. --Username (talk) 08:28, 8 February 2024 (EST)
Well, we have some with (pseudonym) attached, and I'd think that'd be more meaningful (ndp isn't a colloquial abbreviation), or just a (I) attached. Christian Stonecreek (talk) 11:52, 8 February 2024 (EST)
I don't think we should use any parentheticals if we can avoid it. Since we have the (I) thing we already use extensively, I think that would be the best option for any that are currently using "(pseudonym)" as a disambiguator. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:20, 8 February 2024 (EST)
There are reasons why I chose to set the author up as Noel Carroll (ndp). However, it's not worth our time to debate. I have changed it to Noel Carroll. Not sure that the standards imply that Roman numerals are the preferred dismbiguator. Here is the applicable help section. Thanks for your interest, John Scifibones 14:06, 8 February 2024 (EST)

Karen Simmons

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1117998; She's the wife of Dan Simmons, credited for author photograph in the HC which can be seen on eBay, [6], art is likely by one of the regular Headline cover artists, Chris Moore maybe, but I don't see a signature. So her credit should be removed. I noticed a 2nd printing of the Headline PB on Archive.org which has that same art (and price) but different blurbs on top and bottom so I'm going to enter that now. --Username (talk) 10:37, 8 February 2024 (EST)

Hi! There's a primary verification by Faustus. It'd be meaningful if you contact him to shed some light on the actual credit. Christian Stonecreek (talk) 11:49, 8 February 2024 (EST)
Hi! There's no credit on the PB because there's no author photo like there is on the back of the HC. 2nd printing PB I just entered has no art credit. I'm sure someone here familiar with UK PB artists will identify it in some artist's book sooner or later but it's certainly not by Dan's wife. --Username (talk) 12:08, 8 February 2024 (EST)

Wesso

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5885644; Wiki says 1893. Anyone here who can find proof it's really 1894? I looked for a headstone but couldn't find one. --Username (talk) 13:49, 8 February 2024 (EST)

Story about the Premiere of Rite of Spring

I'm looking for the short story (probably from 1970s) about recreating the experience of the premiere of The Rite of Spring by giving all of the audience members a new drug. I believe this was in one of the better short story annuals of the era.

Most of my book collection is in storage, alas, so I can't find this by leafing through my old pulp. —The preceding unsigned comment added by Martycohen36 (talk • contribs) 17:38, February 8, 2024‎

Black Christmas

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?878255; While entering Wikipedia links for tons of novelizations I came across this rare 1976 one for the classic 1974 horror film. The original edition is apparently very rare because I've looked everywhere and can't find a copyright page that doesn't have the word FANGORIA on it because apparently Fangoria Magazine reprinted it in 2008 (although there is very little mention of this online). It does include the original info so I was able to enter the month (February, which is odd because you'd think it would be late in the year to capitalize on the holiday) but if anyone has a 1976 copy can you verify what it says on it? The film was Canadian and book says "Printed in Canada" so possibly it was only published there in which case the price will need a C added to it. --Username (talk) 09:18, 9 February 2024 (EST)

Riddle of the Exodus

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?185298; Not fiction, religious history book, https://openlibrary.org/works/OL8166080W/The_Riddle_of_the_Exodus?edition=key%3A/books/OL8566162M, probably should be deleted. --Username (talk) 11:30, 9 February 2024 (EST)

Deleted. I question if the author of the religious book is the same author as of the BattleTech books. I couldn't find anything on the religious author's sites that connect him to the BattleTech books. I will ping the active verifier for the BattleTech book to see if there is an author blurb. If not (or it indicates it is a different author), I will remove the the current author info from James D. Long. -- JLaTondre (talk) 12:31, 10 February 2024 (EST)
Philfreund has confirmed the BattleTech book provides no biographical information on the author. I have removed the author info from James D. Long as it is more than likely a different person. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:28, 11 February 2024 (EST)

Mutant Chronicles

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250352; I replaced the cover; if anyone knows about the old one, whether it was an early one that was rejected or if it belongs to a different edition, a note about early art or a new record for the other edition if it exists would be good. --Username (talk) 20:09, 11 February 2024 (EST)

Lieutenant Teasdale R.O.N.

I need to make several changes to the pub records for Lieutenant Teasdale R.O.N.. The tp edition has a sole PV by the late Biomassbob but he somehow missed showing that Paula Goodlett is the co-author of the work. Amazon also shows the pub date for that edition as 2023-12-07, not 2023-12-02 as currently shown in the pub record. The 12-07 date makes more sense since all of the other self-published books by Gorg Hoff and Paula Goodlett have the ebook edition published the day prior to the tp edition. Any objection to my making changes? Phil (talk) 12:21, 12 February 2024 (EST)

Mistakes happen :) Go ahead - make sure the notes clarify where the date is coming from. And while you are there, we do not use "Independently published" as a publisher - so can you also fix that (author names are used when there is no publisher). I will sort out the other 2 we have under that publisher later today. Thanks for finding this one! :) Annie (talk) 13:44, 12 February 2024 (EST)
Done. I also corrected the title for the Interiorart maps record to match current standards. Phil (talk) 15:29, 12 February 2024 (EST)

Locus1 Secondary Verifications

Occasionally I come across pubs that have been SVd to Locus1 solely on the basis of their mention as the first edition of a later publication. The first one I encountered, as a very rookie editor, was this one: David Brin / Sundiver. I asked the SVer, Rtrace, about it and received this explanation. For the purposes of this thread I shall refer to these as "indirect listings".
The most recent one I have encountered is David Gerrold / Chess with a Dragon and it is this pub record that has prompted this thread because there is a clear contradiction between the SV to Locus1 and the pub note "Locus1 fails to list this pub (as of 2010-06-21)."
So my question is: should these indirect listings be allowed as SVs to Locus1? If I ruled the world I would not permit them because I don't think they conform to a general user's expectation of a Locus1 listing and they can cause confusion and inconsistencies as demonstrated by the Gerrold record. However, I do not feel strongly about this. I accept Ron's point that these indirect listings provide at least as much information as Clute/Nicholls and if the consensus is that they should be allowed then I can live quite happily with this.
However, if we do allow them then this Help page: Reference:Verification_Sources needs amendment. The matrix currently states that Locus1 provides "All" the information for fields such as Pages, Price and others but this is not true for the indirect listings. So either:
a) The relevant fields for Locus1 should be changed from "All" to "Some" (or maybe "Most").
or
b) A note should be added to the page explaining Locus1 indirect listings and clarifying that the values in the matrix for Locus1 only apply to full listings.
I prefer solution b).
Opinions please. Teallach (talk) 18:38, 15 February 2024 (EST)

An interesting point. So basically Locus1 has two types of records. One type covers editions published between 1984 and 2007 and includes publication details. The other type covers first editions (including editions published before 1984) and only lists their year and publisher. In an ideal world, we may want to create a separate Secondary Verification type for the latter and call it something like "Locus1-First Edition". Unfortunately, I am not sure it would be feasible since we have over 50,000 Locus1 verifications and separating them would be a very time-consuming project. If we decide not to do it, then I agree that we should update Reference:Verification_Sources to reflect the fact that not all Locus1-verified publication records can be expected to have publication level data.
As far as cases like David Gerrold's Chess with a Dragon go, I would reword Notes. Instead of saying "Locus1 fails to list this pub (as of 2010-06-21)", I would say something like "Locus1 doesn't have a detailed record for this edition, but multiple records for reprint editions refer to it as the first edition." Ahasuerus (talk) 12:48, 16 February 2024 (EST)
Yes, I realised when I started the thread that if we disallow the Locus1 indirect listings there could be a legacy issue of past records SVd to Locus1 that would be difficult to amend. This is often a problem when rules and standards are changed. So although in theory I would vote to disallow these cases, I accept it is not practical to do so. Consequently I am happy with leaving them as they are and updating Reference:Verification_Sources to reflect the fact that not all Locus1-verified publication records can be expected to have publication level data, which we both agree with.
I am working on David Gerrold / Chess with a Dragon and so will incorporate the change to the Locus1 pub note as you suggest. Teallach (talk) 17:08, 16 February 2024 (EST)
Hearing no objection, I have clarified the "Locus1" row of Reference:Verification Sources. Thanks for identifying this issue. Ahasuerus (talk) 14:12, 26 February 2024 (EST)
Thank you. Teallach (talk) 16:27, 2 March 2024 (EST)

Necronomicon in Sweden

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=d+bergho&type=Name; First name likely misspelled by PV (or magazine it appeared in) and essay is in second name's record with a much earlier date. --Username (talk) 23:47, 15 February 2024 (EST)

Garland Library of SF

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?8067; I made a couple of edits adding archived link, LCCN and cover image to Past Master when I noticed that there is 1 book in the series with a UK price and 1 without any price. So if anyone can fill in the missing one and add US one (moving UK to notes) for the other then everything will be uniform. --Username (talk) 09:44, 16 February 2024 (EST)

Lou J. Berger

The author has requested we change his canonical name from Lou J. Berger to "Lou J Berger" (no period after the "J"). See mod note here. Any objections? John Scifibones 15:32, 16 February 2024 (EST)

Checking Amazon.com's Look Inside, I see that the name was spelled "Lou J. Berger" in 2013-2014 and changed to "Lou J Berger" in 2015/2016. By now the majority of the stories use the "Lou J Berger" form of the name, so it should be our canonical name. We just need to make sure that we use the right form for the transitional (2015-2016) period. Ahasuerus (talk) 16:05, 16 February 2024 (EST)
Author attributions were reviewed and corrected resulting in compliance with the author's request. John Scifibones 15:16, 17 February 2024 (EST)

Locus on Microfilm

I recently added links to the handful of random print issues of Locus that are on Archive.org, one a very early issue and the others more recent, but I just stumbled on a huge cache of microfilmed 1973-2015 issues uploaded by MicrofilmIssueGenerator so I added a link, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5893289. Not sure if this is known about already but if not I'm sure it will come in handy here for research. --Username (talk) 19:39, 16 February 2024 (EST)

Server maintenance 2024-02-18 at 11am EST

The server will be down for maintenance later today (2024-02-18) between 11am and 11:10am EST. Ahasuerus (talk) 10:20, 18 February 2024 (EST)

The server is back up. Ahasuerus (talk) 11:06, 18 February 2024 (EST)

Sword of the Samurai

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5894874; I have owned a copy since the 1980s and PV it here in 2022, copy uploaded to Archive.org last summer but not added until a few days ago, I think I got the right page count but if anyone disagrees feel free to tweak it a bit, you don't have to ask me. --Username (talk) 11:41, 18 February 2024 (EST)

I see a note in the UK edition's record here says [236] so I think they counted the illustration between the first 19 pages and the start of the novel itself. Should that count? --Username (talk) 11:44, 18 February 2024 (EST)
I would count it one way or the other, either as part of the introductory material (so, technically on [20]) or as part of the main material. A page number on that first page of main text would have been a useful guide.... I found an eBay listing of the Puffin edition that has some interior photographs. Not of the page in question, but the TOC and other leading material looks identical to what Archive.org shows for the edition you have. Extrapolating that to content that follows it suggests Reginald did count that illustration as part of the main material. Given the [236] there, what I will do is tweak your count to [236] and add a note about the illustration's appearance relative to the text on the surrounding pages. Just trying to save you an edit cycle; feel free to adjust it to be however you prefer -- I do not mean to insist on anything. --MartyD (talk) 12:07, 18 February 2024 (EST)
Sounds good, thanks. --Username (talk) 12:18, 18 February 2024 (EST)

Bibliographic impact of the 2023 Hugo Awards

The current pre-release cover of Samantha Mills's debut novel The Wings Upon Her Back says "Nebula and Hugo Award Winner". On 2024-02-17 Mills disavowed the award and announced that she would have "Hugo winner" removed from future editions of the book:

  • “Rabbit Test” unwins the Hugo: ... on Tuesday I’ll send a very awkward email to my agent and editor summarizing the situation ... and figure out the logistics of removing “Hugo winner” from the ebook and future printings. The first print run will be a limited edition novelty, I suppose? Jeez.

This may not be an isolated occurrence since, as Samantha Mills wrote (among other things):

  • On February 14, a report written by Jason Sanford and Chris M. Barkley was simultaneously released on the Genre Grapevine and File770. ... we also got a look at the validation list itself, aka the tables of frontrunner nominees being vetted for the final ballot, and a horrible pattern emerged, especially in the fiction categories: there were a whole lot of Chinese nominees in frontrunner positions who just… vanished, and never made it onto the final ballot. There were so many, in fact, that if I am reading this document correctly: not a single fiction winner (short story, novelette, novella, novel, or series) would have even been a finalist if those nominees hadn’t been taken off.
  • There’s an indicator of why in the apology letter from the admin who leaked the emails and validation tables: “We were told there was collusion in a Chinese publication that had published a nominations list, a slate as it were, and so those ballots were identified and eliminated.”

From our perspective, this means that we will need to:

  • Update the “Rabbit Test” Award record to indicate that the author disavowed the award, similar to how this award record explains that Judy-Lynn del Rey's posthumous "Best Professional Editor" award was refused by her husband Lester del Rey.
  • Keep an eye on The Wings Upon Her Back to make sure that the correct covers are used for the first and any subsequent editions of the novel.
  • Be on the lookout for possible other announcements of authors disavowing 2023 Hugo awards.
  • Occasionally check "Worldcon Intellectual Property" announcements. On January 30, 2024 they issued a statement censuring multiple people "for actions of the Hugo Administration Committee of the Chengdu Worldcon" and said that "There may be other actions taken or to be taken that are not in this announcement." If and when they make additional statements about the Hugos awarded at the 2023 Worldcon, we may need to update our records.

Ahasuerus (talk) 12:55, 19 February 2024 (EST)

Earlier today Adrian Tchaikovsky disavowed his 2023 Hugo award for Best Series on his Web site. The award record has been updated. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:56, 21 February 2024 (EST)
These notes are exactly the correct action for us, I think. If we had notes for an award year, it would probably be desirable to add something for the 2023 Hugos. Although, getting a properly neutral description of the controversy free of personal biases (and I have many in this instance), would be tricky. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)
One of the challenges that the 2023 Hugos present is that it's still a developing story. What we knew 10 days ago is very different from what we know today. Perhaps we'll learn more in the future.
For example, back in late January I came across a re-post/translation of a Chinese fan's comments about the Hugos. The post stated that the fan had been involved in the Hugo process (committee member?) and that he or she had a conflict with Chinese members of the Hugo committee with various accusations flying back and forth. At the time I had trouble parsing the post, in part due to lacking context and in part due to the quality of the translation. In retrospect it may have been related to the following email sent by Dave McCarthy on June 7, 2023 at 6:18pm (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_QqmsxQkACoYcxSx2LVqbxD39-DJI_gS/view), which says:
  • Tomorrow I have a 4 hour meeting with my chinese counterparts to look at ballot detail and determine if any ballots are to be voided
Perhaps either this fan or other members of the 2023 Hugo committee may clarify matters at some point. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:33, 22 February 2024 (EST)
It would especially be useful to note that the nomination totals and the EPH points appear to be completely unreliable, since those are noted in each nomination award record. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)
One thing that comes to mind is that we could change the way opening sentences are phrased. Instead of the current "1674 valid ballots cast, 944 valid ballots cast in category" we could say something like "According to the voting statistics released on 2024-01-20, there were 1674 valid ballots cast, 944 valid ballots cast in category". It's not much, but it would at least clarify which version of the stats our records use. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:20, 22 February 2024 (EST)
I've added your suggested text to the records in the Best Novel category. In addition to the ballot count at the head, I've also added it to the nomination numbers at the foot. I think it's more important there as that is where there is evidence of shenanigans. In any case, let me know if it looks good and I can update the remaining records or we tweak it if desired. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:26, 27 February 2024 (EST)
Everything looks good, thanks. Ahasuerus (talk) 22:40, 27 February 2024 (EST)
I recall that award year notes has been suggested before and there may be a feature request, though I suspect that how the award tables are structured may make this difficult. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)
Yes, indeed. FR 1086, "Change the award year field to a drop-down list", says "Create a new record type for award years. We can call it something like "award year" or "award ceremony". Once we have it, we will be able to add notes to award years. Notes can be used to specify when the awards were announced, when and where they were given, eligibility rules changes, etc." Unfortunately, as you said, it would be fairly time-consuming to implement. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:12, 22 February 2024 (EST)
In any case, I do have one suggestion for the del Rey award record. We currently have the explanation of the non-acceptance of the award noted in the title field of what should be an untitled award. Perhaps we didn't have award level notes at the point that award was added. I feel that the verbiage in the title should be moved to notes and replaced with "untitled". --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)
I agree. It's exactly as you said -- award records didn't have a Notes field back then. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:12, 22 February 2024 (EST)
I've updated this and expanded the comment as a note taking my queue from Judy-Lynn's Wikipedia article. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:26, 27 February 2024 (EST)
Thanks. I have hyper-linked Lester del Rey's name and clarified that he was Judy-Lynn's husband. Ahasuerus (talk) 22:40, 27 February 2024 (EST)

Kater-Bound

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?22308; On all of the web there seems to be only 1 mention of Borgo Press and Kater-Bound together, https://www.lawrenceperson.com/?p=22429, although it does get a handful of hits in a text search, https://archive.org/search?query=%22kater-bound%22+%22borgo%22&sin=TXT&sort=-addeddate. This Archive.org page, https://archive.org/search?query=compton+farewell+bliss&sort=-addeddate, shows 2 editions with one being Borgo but with price on front covered and Kater-Bound sticker on back. Could this be the mysterious Borgo HC mentioned in the book's record? Also, the note about artist is wrong because he's credited on copyright page and back cover, the latter of which can be seen in the cover image. TP PV doesn't respond much so I'm asking on this board. --Username (talk) 13:09, 19 February 2024 (EST)

The Archive.org copy is a library book, and Kater-Craft does library bindings. I believe it is not uncommon to have a retail hardcover edition and a library-binding hardcover edition of the same book. --MartyD (talk) 17:44, 19 February 2024 (EST)
Believe it or not, I have library hardcover versions of Ace Doubles. All should be listed in my opinion. MLB (talk) 01:00, 20 February 2024 (EST)

Miriam Allen de Ford

Per the Spaces in Names subsection of Template:PublicationFields:Author, Miriam Allen de Ford should be standardized as Miriam Allen deFord. However, we have a Miriam Allen de Ford alternate name which was recently edited so the notes copy the rules saying it should be standardized. Instead, I propose we merge the alternate name to the canonical name in accordance with the rules. As there are a number of verified pubs, I will point the verifiers to the this discussion, If there are any objections, then we should probably have a Rules and standards discussions. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:28, 19 February 2024 (EST)

I guess it would be like calling somebody named MacIntosh being called Mac Intosh. Still, I'll go with the majority. MLB (talk) 00:58, 20 February 2024 (EST)
No objection to merging, but I think the actual spelling of the name should be made clear in the notes. Linguist (talk) 04:06, 20 February 2024 (EST).
No objection, I had three pubs, two in Croatian language I already corrected, but I have also one in Serbian language. In Serbian language names are written as they are pronounced, in this case same as written. Should I change this one as well? This is publication in question: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2277217 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Debolestis (talk • contribs) .

Ruben De Anda

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1476655; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2552505; Can anyone find proof that these are the same artists? --Username (talk) 19:45, 20 February 2024 (EST)

I don't know. But The Galaxy Primes (Ace 1976) appears also to be signed by R. De Anda. Horzel (talk) 08:52, 23 February 2024 (EST)
Probably is but since last name is mostly covered it's hard to tell. PV Willem H. noted that it may be Rafael M. De Soto but I doubt it because he has no original cover credits on ISFDB after 1964 and this book is from 1976. There's a copy on Archive.org which I've added a link to in a PENDING edit. --Username (talk) 09:44, 23 February 2024 (EST)

Steve Miller: RIP

For those who may not have seen an announcement, Steve Miller, co-author of the Liaden Universe, et al., died on February 20, 2024 at his home in Maine. His wife, author Sharon Lee, posted this obituary. Phil (talk) 07:41, 22 February 2024 (EST)

I added photo from FantLab which is a little bigger and shows his face better than Fantastic Fiction's photo. --Username (talk) 17:42, 22 February 2024 (EST)

Last User Activity

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?895338; What does this mean exactly? There was a question of contacting this PV RedDragonBooks about something related to a mod note I made and checking their page the last answer they gave or contribution they made was in spring of 2022 but the activity at the bottom of the record linked above says a few days ago. --Username (talk) 09:03, 22 February 2024 (EST)

There are two databases: The wiki and the bibliographic database. What you see for User Contributions on their user/talk page is just their Wiki edits. What you see for Last User Activity in the verifiers' list is the date of their last activity in the bibliographic side -- the Wiki software does not know about that, only about the Wiki. That user did some verifications on 2024-02-18 but hasn't posted anything to the wiki in the past couple of years. --MartyD (talk) 13:56, 22 February 2024 (EST)
Just a quick note to clarify that the software that displays the Last User Activity date checks both the Wiki side and the database side. It then displays the latest date that it finds. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:36, 22 February 2024 (EST)

Ermengarde Fisk = Evelyn E. Smith?

One of my friends pointed me at issue #10 of the 'zine Oopsla, specifically page 13. The "SHORT STORIES" section says: 

 Third goes to another brand-new author, Evelyn E. Smith ... is better known to fandom as the pseudonymous authoress of the "New York Letter" column in Slant--yeah, that's right, she's Ermengarde Fiske.

As I don't know what the accuracy of fan writing was like nearly two decades before I was born, I don't know how reliable this info might be. Any objections to varianting these author records? ErsatzCulture (talk) 13:49, 23 February 2024 (EST)

We already have a pseudonym there: Evelyn Smythe (intentional corruption of Evelyn Smyth E.?) which I think is based exactly on the note you cited above. I am not sure if we have enough evidence to connect the two Evelyn E. Smith's though - while very very likely, the name is not very uncommon. Maybe add some notes to both accounts until we find a better proof that the two are one and the same? Annie (talk) 14:50, 23 February 2024 (EST)
Never mind, I looked at the fanzine itself now - you actually missed the smoking gun while quoting - that award over there is for a story that belongs to Evelyn E. Smith (Tea Tray in the Sky) - so yes, they are the same person. Connect them away. Annie (talk) 14:54, 23 February 2024 (EST)
This is now done. Had a bit of a headscratcher with Ermengarde Fiske having its own alternate names, but I think everything is now correct, with all the authors pointing at Evelyn E. Smith as the canonical, and all of the title records having parent titles with that author record. However I wouldn't say no if someone wants to double check that everything is now as it should be. Thanks! ErsatzCulture (talk) 13:44, 27 February 2024 (EST)

J. Watson

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?224483; What do you suggest is best to add to differ 1966 Thunderbirds artist from Leading Edge writer/artist? He's on Wikipedia so I'll add that link (as Jim Watson). --Username (talk) 19:48, 24 February 2024 (EST)

See Help:How_to_separate_two_authors_with_the_same_name for ideas. Looks like "James Watson (1960s)" would work here and might be more helpful than "(I)". The situation is quite similar to the Jame Cooper examples given in that bullet. In light of the disparity in volume between their bibliographies, I think you could treat the James Watson from the 1980s as "more prominent/widely known in the Spec-Fic world" and leave it with no embedded disambiguation. --MartyD (talk) 12:04, 25 February 2024 (EST)
OK, thanks. --Username (talk) 12:30, 25 February 2024 (EST)

Tem Title

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?67830; Archived link to recently uploaded Chrysalis 9 HC just added by me in a PENDING edit, PV doesn't respond much, PB has one or two active PV so if they can verify it's Hit-and-Run there, too, not Hit-and-Miss, title should be changed. I vaguely remember asking about this long ago after noticing title was different in Tem's online bibliography. --Username (talk) 15:32, 25 February 2024 (EST)

The Hole of the Pit

https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive53#Uncanny_Banquet_and_Leisure; Exactly a year-and-a-half ago I asked about Uncanny Banquet and noted the rare novel contained in it; a copy of the Oleander Press edition including the novel with a short story and a poem was recently added to Archive.org so I've added a link in a PENDING edit. Still waiting for a copy of that anthology to show up somewhere...anywhere. --Username (talk) 18:55, 25 February 2024 (EST)

Series sort order?

I was looking at a page for a series and couldn't figure out the basis for the order of the sub-series. First come the numbered sub-series, in numerical order. Then the 'loose' items in chronological order. Then come the unnumbered sub-series, which are neither alphabetical or chronological by any of their contained titles. Is there a particular order to them? ../Doug H (talk) 09:04, 28 February 2024 (EST)

The only order that the display software enforces is as you described above: all numbered sub-series are displayed first and the rest are displayed randomly. I think it would be fairly easy to display unnumbered sub-series alphabetically. Ahasuerus (talk) 15:36, 28 February 2024 (EST)
(after edit conflict) A more thorough review discovered that Summary pages were already sorting unnumbered sub-series alphabetically. I have adjusted the software to do the same on Series pages. Thanks for identifying the problem! Ahasuerus (talk) 18:36, 28 February 2024 (EST)
Since series tend to be written in order, displaying the unnumbered titles in chronological order may make more sense. Although, sub-series wouldn't have a date and extrapolating the date from the earliest contained title would be more complex. Perhaps, numbered items followed by unnumbered sub-series followed by everything else in chronological order. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:34, 28 February 2024 (EST)
Could you please clarify what you mean by "items" in this case? Series may contain both title records and sub-series records. They use different, unrelated, numbering systems. For example, a series may contain 3 titles numbered "0.5", "1" and "2", as well as two sub-series numbered "1" and "2". Ahasuerus (talk) 19:36, 28 February 2024 (EST)
I intended items to mean both title records amd sub-series records, either of which may be numbered. What I was suggesting is that within a series (parent), each numbered item would display based on the numbering. In your example, there would be a conflict as there are both titles numbered "1" and "2" and sub-series numbered "1" and "2". Ideally, we would never assert that both a title and a sub-series should occur first in the parent series. Clearly, numbering only applies within the parent series. I believe that for numbered "items", I am not suggesting any changes to how things currently work. I had suggested a chronological sort for the remaining items based on your now corrected statement that they were displayed randomly. Given that we're already sorting alphabetically, it's probably fine to leave things as they are, unless others think a chronological sort would be preferable. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:13, 28 February 2024 (EST)

BattleTech Universe

The BattleTech Universe series and it's sub-series all list having an Issue Grid, which suggests they are Serials / Magazines. They look like books to me. Is it a mistake in the software or entry? Might the existence of one Serial in the series propagate? ../Doug H (talk) 09:12, 29 February 2024 (EST)

Yep - if there is one magazine series somewhere in the sub series inside of a bigger series, the whole set and any sunsets of it shows the grid links. It is how the software is built. Annie (talk) 10:00, 29 February 2024 (EST)
Good catch. Bug 842, "Extraneous 'View Issue Grid' links on series pages", has been created. Ahasuerus (talk) 14:15, 29 February 2024 (EST)

Database Backup

Can you please save the database with InnoDB utf8mb4 so accented and Chinese characters will show up correctly? As it now with MyISAM utf8, Иван Константинович Айвазовский shows up as ИванКонстантинович Айвазовский. It makes it hard to work with the database and makes it a lot larger than it has to be. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Catpoolfan (talk • contribs) .

For historical reasons -- the ISFDB project started in 1995 -- ISFDB tables use "latin1_swedish_ci". You can see it if you run "SELECT TABLE_CATALOG, TABLE_SCHEMA, TABLE_NAME, TABLE_COLLATION FROM INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES" in MySQL. Non-Latin-1 Unicode characters are stored in the database as HTML entities. When you see "й" (i.e. "&#1081") displayed, that's because that's what's stored in the database.
There are plans to migrate from HTML entities to native Unicode, but it will be a major project with a number of dependencies. There is no ETA at this time. Ahasuerus (talk) 10:42, 1 March 2024 (EST)

I Stole You

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?60942+2017; A copy of Tripping... was recently uploaded so I added a link and the stories' numbers, there's also supposedly a copy of Ringman's collection but when I saw the red hardcover I knew that couldn't be right and it wasn't; it's a copy of some old romance novel by Jane Aiken Hodge. I checked all the usual sites but can't get contents page of TP so if anyone can or owns a copy fill in the page numbers if you wish. --Username (talk) 17:40, 1 March 2024 (EST)

Mandarin

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5905095; Is anyone familiar with Mandarin paperbacks who can say why ISBN on back cover doesn't match any other Mandarin PB on ISFDB which (almost) all start with 0-7493? This book's ISBN, 0-09, seems to have been used by Cresset per online searching but there is no mention of them anywhere in it; a couple of Cresset Editions books on ISFDB do have an ISBN which starts with that. --Username (talk) 13:14, 2 March 2024 (EST)

Donkerste Dag

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5905146; Nico Richter has 1 credit on ISFDB for a German Neil Gaiman edition but here he's credited for design. Sheila Metzner is a famed artist and I don't know what Ortikol is so if anyone thinks any of them should be entered as cover artist they can do that. --Username (talk) 14:12, 2 March 2024 (EST)

Shadow Regions

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?295434; The woman who ran the publisher whose imprint put out this anthology, Tammy Perron, apparently was a crook who didn't pay most of the authors or even give some of them copies which is detailed in the link from Absolute Write that I added some time ago. In September 2023 some mysterious person uploaded a copy on Archive.org and it was finally added a few weeks ago (I stumbled on it completely by accident) so I've added a link in a PENDING edit along with the price and the stories' numbers. Maybe it was one of the authors using their own copy because this seems a very rare book with WorldCat not finding any copies; there's only 1 sad review on Goodreads where one of the authors crows about having a story in it...little did he know. According to ISFDB only 3 of the 20 stories have been reprinted since it came out nearly two decades ago so if anyone was interested in reading it you should do so because you never know if old Tammy may crawl out of the woodwork to have it taken down. --Username (talk) 18:55, 2 March 2024 (EST)

Adam L. G. Nevill canonical name

I think it is time to swap the canonical name here to Adam L. G. Nevill. Any objections? Annie (talk) 15:18, 4 March 2024 (EST)

We have 8 book-length works as by Adam Nevill and 8 book titles as by Adam L. G. Nevill. All books published over the last 5 years have appeared exclusively as by "Adam L. G. Nevill". SHORTFICTION: 8 as by "Adam Nevill" and 27 as by "Adam L. G. Nevill".
Given the numbers and the timeline, I think it's fair to say that "Adam L. G. Nevill" is the most recognizable form of his name within the genre as of 2024. Ahasuerus (talk) 16:19, 4 March 2024 (EST)

The Under-People

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3046564; https://archive.org/search?query=the-under-people&sort=-addeddate; No reason for this to be here, it's one of dozens of junk science "non-fiction" books by Norman/Steiger published back in the day. I think it should be deleted. --Username (talk) 23:52, 4 March 2024 (EST)

Collection contents question

When adding contents to a collection which is authored using a variant name, if there is no indication to the contrary, should all the content titles be attributed to the variant author name and then be made a variant of the canonical author name titles if they do not exist? Example: The Witching Hour. The collection author is James Gunn. The copyright page shows the content copyrights as by James Gunn. The included content titles only exist as by the canonical name James E. Gunn. Should these be changed to being authored by James Gunn and then made into variants? Phil (talk) 09:28, 5 March 2024 (EST)

Yes. Remove the three fiction titles, add the three new titles and variant to the canonicals. John Scifibones 09:57, 5 March 2024 (EST)
Done. Thanks.Phil (talk) 11:05, 5 March 2024 (EST)

Hautala Covers

I was entering edits for Rick Hautala books, found Jacobus signature on Moon Walker so Tim Jacobus was entered as the artist; Little Brothers, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20465, has a name or initials on the lower right, can anyone find out who that is? --Username (talk) 10:45, 5 March 2024 (EST)

ISFDB Server downtime -- 2024-03-06 at 6pm

The ISFDB server will be down for maintenance on 2024-03-06 between 6:00pm and 6:15pm EST. Both the database and the Wiki will be unavailable. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:13, 6 March 2024 (EST)

The server is back up. Ahasuerus (talk) 18:05, 6 March 2024 (EST)

Simulacrum

Tonight I accidentally ended up on the archived SpecFicWorld site which used to be a major hub of speculative fiction but seems to have entirely disappeared from the modern web (whatever you do, don't type specficworld.com on Google and click the link whose description is "Daftar Situs Agen Judi Slot Online Terpercaya Resmi 2023"; that will NOT lead you to what you're looking for). Only issue #9 of Simulacrum, edited and published by the guy who ran the site, Doyle Eldon Wilmoth, Jr., has an archived PDF link but while searching, as I usually do, for random text from an archived story on Google to try and find out if there are any modern sites that still include it I got one hit, the late Tanith Lee's site daughterofthenight.com, because that issue included a reprint of a story by her from Interzone Magazine. That led me to this, https://archive.org/details/@zatoichi01?query=simulacrum&sort=title, which, according to Galactic Central, is the entire 14-issue run. I rarely enter magazines but any self-moderators who don't have to wait for approval can probably do these quickly without much trouble since the contents are a mixture of reprints which will need importing and originals (or at least they're not on this site). There are many well-known authors and artists included. --Username (talk) 23:59, 7 March 2024 (EST)

I'll take a look at it and see what I can do. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:48, 8 March 2024 (EST)
I have through issue 10 entered. I'll finish up with the remaining four later. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:35, 8 March 2024 (EST)
I've entered all 14 issues now. You can see them here. I did not combine the years into editor series because there are only 14 issues so leaving them all separate makes it easier to get to them (one less click-through). ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:32, 12 March 2024 (EDT)

Neglected moderation

Last time I changed something in ISFDB it took days to get a single non-controversial change accepted with hundreds of pending changes. Now it takes weeks with thousands of pending changes. When looking a the recent changes I see lots of self acceptance and accepted automatic changes, but only little moderator activity.

Remembering that it takes at least 4 or 5 rounds to add all information for a translated book that amounts to waiting multiple months for a single book.

If you don't want contributors anymore then say so clearly! ATM I'd wonder if you find people sticking with ISFDB for a longer time with that situation.

To give you an indication how this should go: I added a new word to Wiktionary, it took 4 minutes for first reaction and 1:15 to reach the final entry. --Stoecker (talk) 16:31, 8 March 2024 (EST)

Longer approval times have definitely been a problem lately. Currently we have 1976 pending submissions, 1137 of them by User:Username (many are straightforward additions of archive.org links to publication records), 124 by User:Fixer (a robot account) and the remaining 715 are by other editors.
That said, the ISFDB editing process is very different from what Wikipedia and its offshoot projects use. The latter are much easier to edit, but the quality of the end product varies tremendously. I wrote/rewrote dozens of Wikipedia articles in the mid-2000s, but eventually concluded that trying to keep articles accurate and coherent was going to be prohibitively time-consuming. I occasionally peek to see what has happened to them and their current state is pretty bad. For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensheviks is full of confused nonsense.
We added the ability to self-approve a few years ago and we are slowly expanding the number of editors who can do so. Hopefully it will help matters going forward. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:56, 8 March 2024 (EST)
Well, my request to do so was simply ignored. --Stoecker (talk) 10:10, 16 March 2024 (EDT)
Nominations require support from other editors/moderators before they can be approved. If a nomination doesn't gain enough support, it is not approved. Ahasuerus (talk) 12:01, 16 March 2024 (EDT)
Which is an endless loop. Because moderators don't care I want self-moderation. But for that I need moderators to care which they don't. An unreachable goal. --Stoecker (talk) 10:05, 23 March 2024 (EDT)

Heide Oberheide

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?127989; I left a PV a note telling them that a T. Canty credit for Parke Godwin's novel Beloved Exile was actually by Oberheide so that will need fixing but another problem I found is that her page at The Paperback Palette says she was born in Canada in 1957, both very different than what ISFDB says. So does anyone know what the real info is? --Username (talk) 22:48, 9 March 2024 (EST)

Found this and this, which both agree on 1943 and Germany and have enough differences that neither seems to be the source for the other. They both strike me as fairly authoritative, especially that first one. --MartyD (talk) 11:23, 10 March 2024 (EDT)

Tales of Terror

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291626; I added a link to the back cover image on Bookscans in a PENDING edit and noticed there are some copies on eBay which show the first page, 5, with "The Facts in the Case of M. Valdemar" as a title, which means this shouldn't really be a novel but rather a collection of Poe stories adapted by Sudak. Does anyone own a copy who can verify the page numbers of the other stories so they can all be entered? --Username (talk) 12:13, 13 March 2024 (EDT)

Cover artist data entry rules updated

Please note that the "Artist" section of Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt has been updated to reflect current practices. Ahasuerus (talk) 15:02, 14 March 2024 (EDT)

The Message

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1471825; Obscure author and publisher but not obscure enough that it didn't get a Chinese translation, https://archive.org/search?query=brockman-robin&sort=-addeddate, in case anyone fluent wants to enter that; just don't title it The MASSAGE like the uploader did. --Username (talk) 18:37, 14 March 2024 (EDT)

YouTube audiobooks in or out?

I've placed this submission on hold because I'm unsure if YouTube audiobooks should be included here since they are generally not downloadable (instead being streamed). The rules include audiobooks, but also exclude "[w]orks published in a web-based publication and available exclusively as a Web page" (which is pretty much what a YouTube video is), and they say nothing about podcasts. Thoughts? Should this be a Rules and standards discussion? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:42, 20 March 2024 (EDT)

They are out under the exclusion as they are not downloadable. However we need to extend the Audio-book section of the inclusion section to match the ebooks/electronic publication one above it a bit - especially around podcasts which are not considered magazines for example. So maybe starting a discussion to clarify what audio-materials we want to index is the best choice (while keeping that one on hold until we decide what we want to do) :). Annie (talk) 15:09, 20 March 2024 (EDT)
Okay, moved it over there. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:33, 20 March 2024 (EDT)

Barcodes with prices hiding in plain sight

A lot of printed books have prices on their back covers hiding in plain sight. If you look at a barcode on the back cover, next to the ISBN, usually over the smaller barcode next to the ISBN one, there is a number sequence - for example 51595 or 51699. That means $15.95 / $16.99 (5 is the code for $, the rest is the price). The first example is from a book I pulled from my shelf (not genre), the second is from an Amazon book. As back covers are very often visible in Amazon (separately or as part of Look Inside), that may help with adding prices (with an appropriate note) even when Amazon and other retailer have their own ideas on what the price may be (or at the very least it can serve as a confirmation for the Amazon price). It is not there for all books (90000 is a very common code up there) but for the books that have it, it is as good as the old printed prices.

I propose to add this tidbit of information to the Price field help. Meanwhile, I am leaving it here for information :) Annie (talk) 17:21, 20 March 2024 (EDT)

Good idea to add this to the Help. I have sometimes used this for prices. You might like to expand the note to explain other currencies. The smaller 5 digit barcode is the supplementary section of the barcode and contains a EAN-5 code. The first of the five digits is a currency code. If the first digit is 9, that means the supplementary section does not contain price information. It's explained in this Wikipedia article. Teallach (talk) 18:28, 20 March 2024 (EDT)
Yep - we should add all the codes when we are adding the note to the help page. Thanks for the link to the Wiki page - I knew it was there, I did not think to look it up earlier today :) Annie (talk) 18:41, 20 March 2024 (EDT)
I agree that adding a section about EAN-5 codes to Template:PublicationFields:Price would be useful. We could list the commonly used first digits:
  • 0 and 1 -- UK
  • 3 - Australia
  • 4 - New Zealand
  • 5 - US
  • 6 - Canada
and explain special pseudo-price values, i.e. that "9999" means "100.00 or more" while "90000" means "no price given". We could then link to the Wikipedia article or an industry Web page for other scenarios. Ahasuerus (talk) 19:06, 20 March 2024 (EDT)

Webzines to include?

Hello. I have two new pub submissions on hold as they pertain to new webzine entries. Do we want to include these?

Looking through the contents, I say we can include those. Not sure how long-lived these are going to be though... Comments/suggestions from other editors & moderators whether to include or not? (didn't look for past discussion where webzine inclusions were debated...) MagicUnk (talk) 15:35, 21 March 2024 (EDT)

Both produce issues and both are genre -zines. So they are eligible under the "Webzines, which are defined as online periodicals with distinct issues (note that online periodicals without distinct issues are not considered webzines)." rule. How long they survive is irrelevant - even if they produce a single issue, they are in. However, these records will need some massaging post approval :) Annie (talk) 15:41, 21 March 2024 (EDT)
Thought so. The help text says to post and query the editor community - we may want to update that and instead clarify that if a webzine has distinct issues, it is in by default? MagicUnk (talk) 16:09, 21 March 2024 (EDT)
Probably an oversight (we forgot it was there?) after we changed the ROA awhile back to include these. Which of the help pages?
PS: Note that awhile back we even dropped the requirement for the webzine to be genre allowing non-genre ones to be added as any other non-genre periodical (with only genre contents indexed). So yep - a webzine with issues is always in under the genre magazine rules or the non-genre periodical ones. Annie (talk) 16:22, 21 March 2024 (EDT)
Here - see webzine in that section. MagicUnk (talk) 11:00, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
Ah, the one place I did not look at. :) Yep - that needs an update. I will start a discussion so we can get the language crafted. Annie (talk) 11:08, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
Here we go - the proposed new language. Annie (talk) 11:26, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
Rules of Acquisition has it as you mention above - we may want to add non-genre periodicals role there explicitly. MagicUnk (talk) 11:00, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
We do not have them called out in the print periodicals section either but if you think we should clarify that across the board, I won't object. Let's finish the audio-formats discussion we are currently having about changes in the same section of the ROA over in R&S and then I will initiate a discussion about this. Annie (talk) 11:08, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
As an aside, I must say that I couldn't find the ROA immediately - I think it is an important section of the rules. Shouldn't we be adding a link on the main help page? MagicUnk (talk) 11:00, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
I know to look under Policy but you are right, it needs to be a lot more visible here - either as a sublink under the ISFDB Policy link or on its own in the same section. Annie (talk) 11:08, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
I've added a specific link to it on Help:Contents, which is found at the top of most help pages. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:18, 22 March 2024 (EDT)

ISFDB:Verification requests

The ISFDB:Verification requests board is not used much anymore. It seems ISFDB:Help desk and this board have pretty much supplanted it. Do we want to discontinue it? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:17, 22 March 2024 (EDT)

How about we can turn it into a broader board instead: "Assistance needed/Project Assistance Required/Something along these lines" for example - when an editor starts a project and notices other things that need adding/fixing or finds a source that may be useful and is unable/unwilling to work through it, they can request assistance there. Looking at CS, about half of the posts there in the last couple of years are from that nature and they choke the actual discussion threads and make it very hard for people to notice that something was posted in the discussions. It will be the counter-part of the Help Desk - come to the Help Desk if you want help getting the work done and learning how to do it; come to this board to post a project that needs work but you cannot/don't want to work on. Annie (talk) 14:59, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
I'd be fine with that. I agree this board has gotten rather full lately, making it hard to keep track of things. So maybe change the title to ISFDB:Assistance requests or something? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:11, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
I like the idea. "Assistance requests" may be a bit too narrow for what we are trying to define, but it's the closest that I can think of at the moment. Ahasuerus (talk) 15:46, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
I like "Assistance Requests". If we ever come up with a better name, we can rename and forward. And we have the text under it to add a sentence that describes the scope better. Annie (talk) 15:53, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
"Help Wanted" ? ../Doug H (talk) 09:47, 23 March 2024 (EDT)
I think that there is potential for confusion between "Help desk" and "Help Wanted". Ideally, whatever name we come up with should clearly differentiate between the two boards. Ahasuerus (talk) 10:08, 23 March 2024 (EDT)
Maybe "Research Requests" or "Research Assistance"? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:45, 24 March 2024 (EDT)
I like "Research Assistance". Ahasuerus (talk) 15:13, 24 March 2024 (EDT)

(unindent) Are there any objections to changing ISFDB:Verification requests to Research Assistance? Ahasuerus (talk) 17:12, 4 April 2024 (EDT)

I'm okay with that. MagicUnk (talk) 06:10, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
If there are no objections, I will ask Nihonjoe to make the change tomorrow. Ahasuerus (talk) 16:50, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
De we want it to be ISFDB:Research Assistance to Research Assistance? The other can be a redirect. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:54, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
Probably ISFDB:Research Assistance in order to stay consistent with the majority of other "major" pages. Ahasuerus (talk) 18:05, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
Since there are no objections, please feel free to go ahead and move ISFDB:Verification requests to ISFDB:Research Assistance when you get a chance. Ahasuerus (talk) 13:45, 6 April 2024 (EDT)
Moved! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 11:31, 8 April 2024 (EDT)
Thanks! I have updated the main Wiki page and everything looks good. Ahasuerus (talk) 11:37, 8 April 2024 (EDT)
The Description up in the panel at the top of all the community boards still say "Help with bibliographic, image credit, and other questions which require a physical check of the work in question.". Annie (talk) 11:49, 8 April 2024 (EDT)
Updated, thanks! The new wording is "Help with bibliographic projects", which is a bit bland and non-specific, but I couldn't think of a better way to summarize the purpose of the new board. Ahasuerus (talk) 12:49, 8 April 2024 (EDT)

Jim/James Burns

I just added a link and did a few other things for the 33rd YBSF edition, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2012677, and searched for others with James Burns as cover artist; only 34th came up, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2209443, but as can be seen PV of TP and HC entered it differently. So maybe consensus about which is "better" should be reached and credits merged. --Username (talk) 18:45, 27 March 2024 (EDT)

Lovecraft Collaborations Book

I was starting to add the audio book edition of this title and discovered that publisher has provided a copy of the pdf version of the book. While we don't have a record for the pdf (it has a different ISBN than the eBook), there are several discrepancies between it and our records. I also have questions other questions about how this title is reflected and while none of the publications are primarily verified, there have been several editors who have touched these records. I thought I'd reach out for comments before proceeding with changes.

  1. We have the title as an ANTHOLOGY and list both the editor and Lovecraft. All the stories are credited to Lovecraft with various co-authors. Personally, I feel that these sorts of collection of collaborations are better typed as COLLECTION as was done with this title.
  2. The title page lists the credits as "By H.P. Lovecraft" over "Edited and Annotated by Finn J.D. John" in smaller type. We have both names in the author field. Since we have this as an ANTHOLOGY, this labels them both as "Editors". Lovecraft clearly didn't edit this book. As I feel this should be listed as a COLLECTION, I also feel that only Lovecraft should be listed in the author field. If the consensus is that it's an ANTHOLOGY, then we only list John.
  3. The stories are listed with both Lovecraft and his co-author on their title pages, whereas we have them all listed by the collaborating author alone. So I intend to swap out which variant of these titles is included. I don't thin this is controversial.
  4. There is a short essay before each section giving biographical details of each co-author. I intend to add these. While not signed, I think we can safely attribute them to John by virtue of his annotation credit.
  5. The PDF lists 5 different formats each with their own ISBN including the "Interactive PDF". Should we add the PDF as a separate title record, or should the PDF ISBN be added in the notes for the ebook edition? I'll also note, that my understanding is that we do list page numbers for pdfs whereas we do not for ebooks.
  6. I'm fairly comfortable that these changes should apply to the 2018 publications based on the 2018 pdf. I'm less certain whether I should make changes to the 2017 edition, or the 2019 omnibus, i.e should we assume the story credits and biographical essays are present in the other editions not listed in the pdf?
  7. I assume adding a note about the PDF being included with the audio book is sufficient rather than duplicating the contents showing the story exists twice (audio and text).

I'd appreciate other's thoughts on these questions. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 07:29, 28 March 2024 (EDT)

My mild opinion is that both this and the example you cited should be ANTHOLOGY. They are different from the case where most of the stories are written by Lovecraft alone, with one or two written by him and someone else. While both are Locvecraft-centric, they are primarily showcasing the work of a wide variety of authors. I agree with everything else in your list. --MartyD (talk) 19:55, 31 March 2024 (EDT)
I'm afraid I would still prefer these as COLLECTIONs. If we were to convert them to ANTHOLOGY, we would need to list the editor as the sole author which would move these collections out of Lovecraft's bibliography. I had only cited one example, but there are many similar collections, many of which are verified. For example, see which collections containing the story The Green Meadow. It is contained in two true anthologies. Aside from the 4 editions of the title we're discussing, there is but one other {{P|848648|publication} typed as a ANTHOLOGY. All other publications were entered as COLLECTION or OMNIBUS. In some of these cases, we don't necessarily have the editor and would likely need to move these titles to the uncredited bibliography page instead of Lovecraft's. Beyond the Wall of Sleep is another interesting example. There about 10 "collaborations" in this collection which is a minority, but it is more than one or two stories. If we decide to type these sorts of books as ANTHOLOGY, where would we draw that line? My last point is that it appears to me that these books are published to appear as Lovecraft collections with his name listed more prominently than any editors (if they are listed at all). If we are to reclassify these publication, I'd like to hear from some of the other verifiers. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:23, 1 April 2024 (EDT)
Since there have been no further responses to this, and the one objection was "mild", I'm going to proceed with these changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:34, 13 April 2024 (EDT)

"Publication Title-Reference Title Mismatches" enhanced

As per the recent Rules and Standards discussion, the cleanup report "Publication Title-Reference Title Mismatches" has been enhanced to require an exact match between publication titles and their reference title records' titles. New data will become available tomorrow morning.

We are looking at around 10,000 mismatches, so the cleanup effort will be significant, especially considering the fact that many affected publication records have been primary-verified. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:07, 4 April 2024 (EDT)

Canonical name change Charles Eugene Anderson from Chuck Anderson

Any objections to making Charles Eugene Anderson the canonical name and Chuck Anderson the alternate?

  • 17 titles credited to Charles Eugene Anderson.
  • 09 titles credited to Chuck Anderson.
  • 01 title has publications credited to each.

Thanks, John Scifibones 07:51, 5 April 2024 (EDT)

Go ahead, obvious case where the switch can/need to happen MagicUnk (talk) 09:28, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
Hearing no objections, done. John Scifibones 18:45, 9 April 2024 (EDT)

David (B.) Mattingly

Looking through the works credited to Mattingly, it seems to me that "David Mattingly" is the most common (by far), and has been for a long time. There are so many entries, though, this opinion is based only on quickly scanning through the list. Is there a way to get a count of each through database queries? I don't think any of the other aliases are used in a significant amount. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:58, 5 April 2024 (EDT)

Just with search and a browser search: 510 with the name David Mattingly; 747 under the canonical; 198 of these 747 of them are "only as by David Mattingly". Just based on that, how we record the names from secondary sources for artists and the fact that the new ones are always without the B. when we get access to the book, I would say it is time to flip the names. I am not volunteering to do it though. :) Annie (talk) 18:58, 5 April 2024 (EDT)

(after edit conflict)

The easiest way that I can think of is to run a few Advanced Title Searches using "Author's Name is exactly David Mattingly". Make sure to click "Get Count" instead of "Get Results". Here are the results that I see:
  • David B. Mattingly: 747
  • David Mattingly: 510
  • Dave Mattingly: 12
  • D. B. Mattingly: 7
  • Dave Maddingly: 1
  • D. Matingly: 1
  • Mattingly: 2
  • David Burroughs Mattingly: 1
Since David B. Mattingly is the current canonical name, it's over-represented. Every "David Mattingly" COVERART/INTERIORART title has a "David B. Mattingly" parent title, but only some of the latter have actual publications associated with them. Firefox tells me that the Summary Bibliography page has:
  • 79 instances of "also appeared"
  • 8 instances of "also as"
  • 132 instances of "only appeared"
  • 207 instances of "only as"
What this means is that 339 canonical titles have only appeared under an alternate name. Another 87 have been credited at least 2 different ways. 339+87-12-7-1-1-2 is 403, which, unless I am missing something, gives us a rough count. I'd need to run database queries to get a better idea, but it looks like "David Mattingly" is slightly ahead of "David B. Mattingly".
P.S. Perhaps what we need is a new menu options to generate this kind of data on demand. Ahasuerus (talk) 19:03, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
That would be cool. Another cool thing would be if we could figure out a way to programatically automate the process of changing canonical names (maybe have a side menu link that appears whenever viewing an author entry). The link would take you to a page where you'd enter the current author ID and the target author ID. We'd have to account for variants on the author name, title variants, and translations (and probably a lot of other things that I'm not thinking of off the top of my head). For situations like this, it would save tons of time in the long run. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:37, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
This functionality has been requested a couple of times. Unfortunately, it would be very difficult to implement in a way that would guarantee completeness and accuracy. Not only would the software need to change the way VTs and Alternate Names are configured, but it would also need to change dates (for some titles) and Notes.
Perhaps we could implement something less ambitious but still useful. For example, "Undo all Variants for This Author"? Ahasuerus (talk) 14:22, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
Yeah, it's definitely very complex. I like the "Undo all Variants for This Author" idea, though. What about a "swap canonical authors" option on individual titles? That would be a lot less complex and allow for easier catching of potential issues. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:48, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
I don't see the benefit of an "Undo all Variants for This Author" tool. A variant title only needs to be broken if both the canonical title and the variant tiles have publications attributed. If all the publication(s) are associated with the variant title, a simple merge is the best option. Not only does it save a step by not having to delete the old canonical, but it saves all the information. Some data is only stored in the "parent title", plus any edit history. John Scifibones 15:38, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
I'm slowly working through all of them. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:42, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
I have completed moving all the records to David Mattingly. I think someone else was moving them, too, so thanks to them, too. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:32, 22 April 2024 (EDT)
Joe, thanks for sorting this out. I noticed Zapp was helping you. John Scifibones 19:38, 22 April 2024 (EDT)

Server downtime -- 2024-04-06 at 2pm

The ISFDB server will be down for maintenance between 2:00pm and 2:10pm. Both the database side and the Wiki side will be unavailable. Ahasuerus (talk) 13:28, 6 April 2024 (EDT)

The server is back up. Ahasuerus (talk) 14:05, 6 April 2024 (EDT)

The Prequel Trilogy

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5934500; I have a question about the publisher of this 2007 Star Wars omnibus; there is no mention of Ballantine in the book so it should be similar to the last one on this list, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=del+rey&type=Publisher, but without the SFBC. Should I change publisher to LucasBooks / Del Rey? --Username (talk) 11:30, 7 April 2024 (EDT)

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5934540; I changed publisher on this one since they were still with Ballantine in 2000. --Username (talk) 12:22, 7 April 2024 (EDT)
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5934546; Another change from 2005 when they were still together. I don't see any cover artist credited that someone entered here or any sign of the excerpt mentioned on the book's copyright page. EDIT: One of the earlier editions has a note here saying they got artist from his site. --Username (talk) 12:31, 7 April 2024 (EDT)
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5934585; Another one from 2006; this one actually has a PV so I'll leave them a message. --Username (talk) 13:12, 7 April 2024 (EDT)
And a final one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5934586, 2005 HC, PV is gone so no need for a note. --Username (talk) 13:18, 7 April 2024 (EDT)

Semaphore

https://www.lulu.com/fr/search?contributor=Marie+Hodgkinson; While adding PDF story links from Tartarus Press at their old freepages.pavilion.net site the last one I linked was a story by Rebecca Lloyd that was entered here as original to her 2014 collection but was actually published in 2007 in a magazine called Semaphore, no issues of which are on ISFDB, but I found that Lulu page above so anyone who likes entering magazines can add a lot from that. The editor has a page here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?143960. --Username (talk) 13:41, 9 April 2024 (EDT)

https://web.archive.org/web/20240000000000*/semaphoremagazine.com; PDF of some (all?) issues at this site. --Username (talk) 13:50, 9 April 2024 (EDT)
Looks like it has archived PDFs of all but the last issue (issue 15) from June 2011. I'll work on these. The first issue is now here. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:32, 9 April 2024 (EDT)
Okay, I think they're all entered (15 issues in total). I also found a couple anthologies collecting the stories and poems voted best by readers of the magazine. I don't know if there were more than the two anthologies. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:33, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
Excellent. Only thing I think you forgot is June 2008's cover artist. --Username (talk) 14:07, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
Fixed! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:11, 10 April 2024 (EDT)

David Ireland

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?3106; I just made edits adding the Allen Lane HC of City of Women and adding a link to Mortal Fire where the 1982 short story is from and noticed that the Wiki page makes no mention of any art so I think the famed Australian novelist and the artist are 2 different people. --Username (talk) 10:28, 11 April 2024 (EDT)

Canonical name change Jody A. Lee from Jody Lee

The artist's website and SFE use Jody A. Lee. While the majority of her early work was credited to 'Jody Lee', the shift to 'Jody A. Lee' is clear. Here are the current statistics.

  • 111 titles credited to Jody A. Lee.
  • 73 titles credited to Jody Lee.
  • 26 titles hasve publications credited to each.

Are there any objections to making Jody A. Lee the canonical name and Jody Lee the alternate? John Scifibones 14:24, 11 April 2024 (EDT)

Sounds good to me. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:41, 11 April 2024 (EDT)
No objections here. Ahasuerus (talk) 15:47, 11 April 2024 (EDT)
Hearing no objections, done. John Scifibones 17:47, 15 April 2024 (EDT)
https://ixgallery.com/artists/jodylee/; Here's her photo in case someone wants to upload it to the wiki. --Username (talk) 17:58, 15 April 2024 (EDT)
✓Done! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:28, 17 April 2024 (EDT)

ISBN hyphenation changed

As I am sure most of you know, different publishers' ISBNs are hyphenated differently. Possible permutations include:

  • 978-1-64973-127-2
  • 978-1-9821-9317-1
  • 979-8-200-29585-2
  • 979-10-281-0150-3
  • 979-8-9856919-6-2

"The International ISBN Agency" maintains a list of rules which determine in which positions hyphens are supposed to appear. Almost all publishers follow them, although there have been some exceptions, notably Tor prior to 2007.

When ISFDB 2.0 was developed in 2004-2006, the rules -- as they existed back then -- were manually incorporated in the ISFDB software. What we didn't realize at the time was how complex the rules would become over the course of the following 20 years. As the number of publishers (and self-publishers) exploded, the International ISBN Agency had to create more and more rules to accommodate the growth and the ISBN handling part of the ISFDB software, which was last updated in 2010, fell hopelessly behind. The result was that many ISBNs were hyphenated incorrectly when displayed on ISFDB pages.

Earlier today I deployed a fairly big patch which changed the way the ISFDB software determines where hyphens are displayed. We now follow the International ISBN Agency's current rules to the letter. There is also a way to update our rules programmatically whenever the Agency rolls out new rules. I expect that we will be doing it a few times a year, which will let us stay more or less in sync with the Agency. (We also have special exceptions for Tor and the other 2 publishers which didn't follow the rules prior to 2007.)

As always, if you come across any issues with this software change, please let me know. Ahasuerus (talk) 14:07, 16 April 2024 (EDT)

Thanks for all your hard work behind the scenes on stuff like this. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:03, 16 April 2024 (EDT)
To quote Damon Knight, I am here to serve man! :-) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ahasuerus (talk • contribs) .

Publication Title Without a Related Title Record

I am about to create a new pub record under That Hideous Strength by C. S. Lewis. There is a subtitle on the title page so the full, correct publication title is: That Hideous Strength: A Modern Fairy-Tale for Grown-Ups. Looking at the title record I see there are five publications (three of which have been PVd) with this subtitle. However, they do not have a related title record "That Hideous Strength: A Modern Fairy-Tale for Grown-Ups" and consequently there is no varianting. Is this correct and if so why? Teallach (talk) 18:42, 17 April 2024 (EDT)

It is not correct. The publication title should match the reference title. This report highlights 1000 exceptions each day (I don't know the selection algorithm). First determine, subtitle or no subtitle, which should be the canonical? It's also a good idea to review the publications and make sure they are recorded correctly. Whichever you determine, it will be a multi-step edit. Ask if you have questions. If I'm online, ping me and I'll approve as you submit. John Scifibones 20:14, 17 April 2024 (EDT)
You have confirmed my suspicions. The cleanup report to which you refer does not include "That Hideous Strength" so I guess it's because it is limited to 1000 records. I'm happy to clean up this title. I'm satisfied that "That Hideous Strength" (without subtitle) is the more appropriate canonical title. I have inspected the five pub records with the subtitle and each looks internally consistent. Three of these have PVs. Do I need to consult with PVs or can this sort of housekeeping be performed without PVs' consent? Teallach (talk) 12:42, 18 April 2024 (EDT)
It's not necessary to contact the PV's. You're merely correcting the reference title. I know you intend to perform all the steps and will indicate such in the note to moderator. I noticed this title wasn't on the report. Perhaps Ahasuerus will chime in and explain the algorithm determining which titles to report. John Scifibones 15:45, 18 April 2024 (EDT)
First step submitted: Unmerge titles. Teallach (talk) 16:26, 18 April 2024 (EDT)
Approved, John Scifibones 16:33, 18 April 2024 (EDT)
Step 2 submitted: merge the 5 reference titles of the subtitled version. Teallach (talk) 17:12, 18 April 2024 (EDT)
Approved, John Scifibones 17:17, 18 April 2024 (EDT)
Step 3 submitted: make subtitled version a variant of canonical title.
Think that's it for the pubs but I can see there's more work to do:
A) These two pubs: Macmillan 1966 and Macmillan 1977 have the variant title but the same canonical coverart title records. So I'm pretty sure these need to be changed. The only way I can see to do this involves five more edits:
Step 4) edit one of the pubs (1966, say) and create a second coverart record under the variant title
Step 5) variant the coverart record
Step 6) import the variant coverart record to the 1977 pub
Step 7) remove the canonical coverart record from the 1966 pub
Step 8) remove the canonical coverart record from the 1977 pub
Is there a more efficient way to do this?
B) Those same two pubs contain an essay Preface (That Hideous Strength) which has a disambiguator under the canonical title. Does the disambiguator have to be changed to the variant title. I'm unsure about this because the phrase is only a disambiguator; it's not actually part of the title of the essay. Can you please advise.
My goodness, this is long-winded! Teallach (talk) 18:11, 18 April 2024 (EDT)

(unindent)
Submit two edits for each pub. (All four at once)

  • Submission 1 - Add the new variant titles, COVERART and preface.
  • Submission 2 - Remove the canonicals.

Since these submissions will generate change notices, reference this conversation in the note to moderator. After I approve all four, I'll perform the two merges. You will just need to link the variants. John Scifibones 18:48, 18 April 2024 (EDT)

Yes, I see where you're going with this. About the same number of edits but fewer Wait For Approval stages. Four edits submitted. Teallach (talk) 07:12, 19 April 2024 (EDT)
Approved, John Scifibones 07:22, 19 April 2024 (EDT)
Two Make Variants submitted. Teallach (talk) 07:52, 19 April 2024 (EDT)
I've checked all the affected records and everything looks good to me apart from one error that must have been present before we started the cleanup: the date of the canonical title of the Preface (correction submitted). So I think we've finally reached the end. If there's anything I've missed, let me know. Many thanks for all your assistance with this John. Much appreciated. Teallach (talk) 16:34, 19 April 2024 (EDT)
Fortunately, there is a scan of the first edition in the internet archive. I added the preface and a link to the scan here. As you know, the canonical is dated to the first appearance, even if it is as a variant. I put your submission on hold, assuming you would rather cancel than have me reject it. I enjoyed working on this with you. Ping me anytime. John Scifibones 18:43, 19 April 2024 (EDT)
Oh, that's interesting. It hadn't occurred to me to look for an archive of the first ed because I had looked in Currey who states the following regarding the first Pan pb (1955): 'adds new author's "preface"'. So it's possible that there are two different prefaces. This requires more research which I don't have time to do now and may not have the resources anyway. But it's fine to leave the ISFDb records as they are for now; they are all self consistent. I have cancelled my submission. Teallach (talk) 04:46, 20 April 2024 (EDT)

Trademark markings in titles

My understanding is that we generally don't include symbols like ® and TM in titles because they usually indicate information about the title but are not usually part of the title. As JLaTondre wrote in 2012, "There is distinction between a title that has a '®' or 'TM' as part of the title and a title that adds the '®' or 'TM' for legal reasons." I'm asking because I ran across this title that has one as part of the title, and I don't think it's actually part of the title itself, but rather added for legal reasons. This might be something we should clarify on Help:Screen:Title. This was discussed way back in 2007, but I haven't yet found any more recent discussions (outside of the 2012 one I mentioned above). Thoughts? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:51, 23 April 2024 (EDT)

I'm the editor with the sole PV for that ebook pub. I have no objection to removing it since the trademark symbol really only applies to the "Liaden Universe" portion of the title. It is on the title page and cover that way. Clarification of the rule would be a good idea. Phil (talk) 13:44, 23 April 2024 (EDT)
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